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In the beginning, Episode 33. 
Don't call it a comeback. 

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Courtneys back. 
How are you mate? 

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I'm back. 
You're back. 

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It feels good to be in person. 
I I hate when we've got to do it

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online. 
So you weren't here for the 

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midweek app with Bronte and 
Bonita and then the week before 

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last Saturday we were remote 
because you're out in bum fuck 

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absolutely nowhere. 
Oh right, absolutely. 

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Sorry I dropped an F bomb early.
Lightning Ridge, but I did 

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listen to your your Gold Coast 
Marathon Series podcast. 

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It was great. 
It was a. 

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Good app. 
It was a good app. 

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Maybe I should just stay away, 
no? 

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No, no, no. 
I want you involved. 

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Because yeah, it was. 
If you haven't heard it, if 

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you've missed the Wednesday up, 
go and give it a listen. 

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Bronte flying in her marathon 
prep. 

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Mine's been a little bit 
stalled, but it's but the calf's

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good. 
The calf's coming good. 

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I was I was excited to hear that
at the end. 

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I'll tell you a bit more about 
that when we talk running weeks.

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Quickly question for you as a 
professional triathlete, when 

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was there any rite of passage 
that you went through with the 

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older triathletes? 
Was there or was there not 

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necessarily an official 
ceremony, but was there a, a, an

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indication or a sign or a moment
where you realised you'd been 

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accepted as a professional? 
Because, and I'll give while you

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think about it from your career.
I'll give you a bit of context. 

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Yesterday I got to host a 
charity lunch for Variety, the 

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kids charity. 
Amazing opportunity to host that

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lunch in Brisbane. 
And as part of that, I hosted a 

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panel with Trevor Gilmeister, 
the axe people might know him 

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as. 
QLD Gilly will. 

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Remember, oh Queensland, the 
man, the what? 

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He was brilliant. 
Alex Glenn, former Broncos 

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captain and an international for
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played 280 odd games for the 
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And Cory Parker. 
And it was and Cory Parker. 

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We all know who Cory Parker. 
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day on the juice with him. 
Oh really? 

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The V eights, Yeah. 
Well, he loves his V8 race. 

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Fun Cory, I'm sure. 
Cory won't mind me saying this. 

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Cory is a proper bogan. 
Cory is a proper bogan. 

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He loves his, he loves his big 
cars, he loves his big houses 

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and he loves his footy ease. 
Cory's but he's brilliant. 

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Amazing panel. 
It was a lot of fun. 

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People always ask me what's it 
like doing those things when you

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get 3 people who can talk like 
Gilly, Alex and Corey could. 

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It's not work at all. 
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easy. 
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Alex and Corey talked about they
both had a similar experience at

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the Broncos of their first three
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They didn't have a locker. 
They didn't they, they lived on 

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what was called the island, 
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the change room. 
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changed and they kept their 
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To earn earn their strengths or 
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They had to earn the locker and 
Gilly joked. 

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Gilly then told a story about 
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when he first joined up with the
Roosters and he walked into the 

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change rooms and there were 
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rooms at those point. 
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year old or something and walked
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And as he put his bag down, an 
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you doing other end? 
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walk back down the other end of 
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Literally the second round of 
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first. 
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other end of the change room and
the same bloke went, come on, 

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come down here. 
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join, you know, the big boys, as
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But I just thought that story 
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and that, you know, Corey Parker
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No, no, neither was Alex Glenn. 
But they still had to spend that

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first three years on the island,
got a start at the bottom before

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they got given their locker. 
Do you reckon that'd be it would

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happen today or is that 
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bullying? 
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Part of the conversation we had,
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way you could do that to an 
athlete these days in the locker

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room. 
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sort of, you know, work rookie, 
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Gotta be a bit hazing's probably
a bit too far, but you know what

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I mean. 
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that in triathlon? 
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because we're not a team based 
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I think team based sport, you 
get a lot more like that. 

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But as far as acceptance, I 
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You know, if you could hold your
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tough and did all that type of 
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around the best athletes, you 
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You know, if you're a little bit
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quite up to scratch, you're 
never going to be really 

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accepted as part of that part of
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So I think that that's the first
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The first time I ever felt like 
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it or finally, like it's not 
knowing only acceptance. 

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Now I'm part of like I'm one of 
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first time I actually won a 
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against the best. 
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And it was only short course 
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So like, you know, it more 
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But still, once I won a couple 
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now I can start to throw a bit 
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Not so much just throwing your 
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like you could actually give a 
little bit back or. 

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In the group. 
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cycling's probably the same, 
it's all about holding position 

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on the bike. 
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transition? 
For example, if you can get to 

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the front of the pack of the 
bike, it's nearly like getting 

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giving yourself a little bit of 
a head start because if you get 

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off like 3 lengths behind, 
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minutes back to get through the 
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And that's where I noticed it 
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every right to get to the front 
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But there is a little bit of a 
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there because if you're an 
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you're getting in the way of the
big fellas, you're going to know

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about it, right? 
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of triathlon growing up, that's 
where I'd say the hazing off the

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back. 
Hazing's the wrong word. 

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No, that's where the the 
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They're off the back. 
Like you'd know about it if you 

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were not up to scratch and you 
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of a few of the big boys up the 
front, right? 

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The race was happening. 
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So yeah, so your locker was the 
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The the locker was the end of 
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And I mean, it's sometimes, you 
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even think, you know, travel 
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off the pedals. 
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removed your, you know, feet 
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shoes and and then you're trying
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hour in between all people. 
It's it's pretty hectic at that 

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point. 
That we I wish I want to talk 

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more about. 
Throwing throwing in a bit of 

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slick roads and a bit of like a 
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Astroturf and, and you know, 
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had. 
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But yeah, I thought I loved, I 
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it's what we do every week when 
you start talking about your 

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career and stories from that. 
I got to do that yesterday with,

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as I said, Alex Glenn, Cory 
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And the guy, when he put out the
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he'd given us 45 minutes for the
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And I said to him, like, mate, 
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panel. 
People probably don't want to 

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sit around and listen while they
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lunch and all the rest of it. 
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done two hours. 
It was like I had to wind it up.

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I'm like, boys, we could sit 
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It was genuinely, it was 
flowing. 

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It was so easy. 
You're thinking I'm not getting 

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paid for any longer? 
This I'm out of here, sorry. 

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Fellas, it was an amazing. 
Event I need some tips though, 

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because today when everyone's 
listening, I'm actually heading 

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up to Magic round in Brisbane. 
I did say this to jump on the 

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levels podcast with Willie Mason
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So and you got Kieran Foran on 
with you as well, correct? 

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So a few goal coasters, however,
my, my, my NRL kind of knowledge

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at the moment, like I watch 
Origin and I mean I'm into it, 

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but I'm not into it, you know 
what I mean? 

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So. 
But they're not getting you on 

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to ask you about NRL, mate. 
Like you should know a bit 

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about. 
NRL, so this is if you want 

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advice on how to handle that. 
Chat, yeah, give me advice, 

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don't tend. 
To know about what you don't 

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know. 
Well, I never do that, you know.

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That I know exactly, so you'll 
be fine. 

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Like Scope, Justin Horror and 
Willy are exceptional at what 

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they do. 
I like, I hope they see this 

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boys. 
Actually, Justin's a bit of a 

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runner, so he might. 
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They are exceptional at what 
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Willie in particular, they're 
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They don't. 
That's why they are succeeding 

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in this non traditional media 
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think Justin could do it and 
Willie's tried his hand at it. 

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They could both probably do 
traditional media, but they're 

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better suited to this non 
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And that's why they're going so 
well, because Willie swears and 

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cusses and says inappropriate 
stuff. 

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But he that's. 
Who he is get away with? 

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It but he knows the sport he's 
done it at the highest level. 

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Justin has as well. 
So the you're in great hands, 

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you have a great time and Kieran
Foreign is, I mean, you want to,

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if you get the opportunity to 
pick his brain and talk to him 

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about elite level sport and 
getting the most out of 

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yourself, what he's put his body
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I mean, I think he's out with a 
ruptured bicep at the moment and

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the Titans are missing him. 
You can tell because in the 

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halves is where they're 
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what he brings his leadership 
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And so make the most of it, 
because Karen Forman's an 

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incredible. 
Character sounds like a good 

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time to get him. 
Get him in an arm wrestle, hey. 

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I I mean look, he'll probably go
non preferred and still beat, 

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you know. 
Mate, he would 100. 

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Percent. 
Here's my one advice. 

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You ask for advice, you 
shouldn't try and unrestle 

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anybody around as a crown. 
OK? 

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Anybody. 
Well mate, well we, we'll, I'll 

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make sure we get a plug out of 
it so they'll be runners by the 

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time they're finished. 
Convert as many people as you 

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can. 
Yep. 

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Alright, what are we looking at 
to start today mate? 

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What have you got for us? 
Hey, let's start with a bit of 

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Strava. 
Strava's just in the news or in 

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the you know, it's the talk of 
the town on everything with 

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runners at the moment. 
Tinder Tinder's giving in on the

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action. 
What's Tinder done here? 

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There's a Tinder challenge run 
run with your like the the types

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of companies that are 
advertising with Strava at the 

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moment. 
So Tinder soulmates challenge 

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Move with his soulmate for a 
chance to win a date prize worth

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375 lbs. 
OK, so this look, I love it. 

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I think it's AI mean I'm I'm 
actually surprised this hasn't 

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happened already. 
Tinder's probably already done 

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something around Strava. 
If if anything, they're late to 

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the party on this the Tinder 
soul mates run club. 

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It's just the natural extension 
of this right and the chance to 

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win. 
What is that it's an English 

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thing. 
So 200 LB run limited voucher 

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for you and your soul mate, plus
a year of Tinder gold that 

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basically they're trying to get 
these people. 

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The irony, right, of it's 
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they're saying they're giving 
you a chance to meet your soul 

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mate, but then they're giving 
you a year of the premium 

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subscription to Tinder. 
So if you meet your soul mate, 

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you shouldn't need Tinder 
anymore. 

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Right mate, right, whatever. 
Whatever gets them going. 

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So you know, if you if this is 
successful and you do meet your 

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soul mate, you should get off 
Tinder. 

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You don't want Tinder gold so 
they should probably miss that. 

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They should probably rebrand 
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Tinder's One Nighter challenge, 
right? 

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One night stand going on here 
plus look 10 sessions of the 

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community sauna baths it's all 
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thought just the this the scope 
of brands jumping on the 

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bandwagon and running at the 
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absolutely great so and talking 
about scope of brands these this

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brand's more running orientated 
so it's Cliff bar but hopefully 

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this audio works all right to 
have a listen but have a listen 

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to this one next. 
Hey, so I locked 22 miles on 

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Shabba this week. 
You're in. 

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This is the white club. 
Yes, 21. 

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Enter. 18 is not 21. 
Is this a fake? 

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You know I can confiscate this. 
No miles, no entry. 

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Next. 
I just hit 21 miles today. 

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Respect. 
Go ahead. 

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Yeah, so this is playing on the 
idea of needing to be 21 to get 

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into, and it's obviously 
American. 

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They've done with Cliff Bar. 
It's the idea of playing on. 

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The idea of being 21 is the age 
you can go into nightclubs. 

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This is a bouncer at the front 
of a nightclub being saying 

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you've if you've done 21 miles, 
you can come into. 

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They're literally showing 
showing their Strava. 

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It's clever, it's good. 
Strava ID. 

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It's this. 
What do you reckon? 

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The workplace, just what you've 
talked about, talking about your

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Strava and rerunning. 
Yeah, just like, walk in with 

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your Strava, your phone up. 
There you go. 

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In my head, just that I imagine 
like imagine if people start 

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getting T-shirts made up of with
their Strava workouts, like it's

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like they're or their best run 
or something for the year. 

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There's a branding opportunity 
there. 

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This is an exam, a continuing 
example of brands trying to find

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ways to integrate with Strava, 
to continue to create content 

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and to continue to promote their
brand. 

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We talked last step about what 
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Strava will mean and what Strava
will continue to look like. 

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The the Sky's the limit for 
Strava. 

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Yeah, like it's seriously it 
would have to be the most 

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exciting social media platform 
on the planet right now. 

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Yeah, and they do a good job of,
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you know, you're not getting 
spam with posts or just random 

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photos, or maybe my algorithm's 
different. 

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Be honest I'm I'm because I'm 
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am getting hit with that a lot 
now right whenever I whenever I 

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post or edit an activity post 
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Constantly being reminded of 
what's available to me if I 

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subscribe to premium Strava. 
So I think there's probably you,

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you're not saying it because 
you're premium, but for the, the

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average person, the layperson, 
the common man, there's a lot of

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push to subscribe and, and get 
that subscription going right 

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now. 
So I wonder, here's a prediction

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for you by the end of the year, 
Strava. 

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If you're not a paid subscriber 
to Strava, I wonder just how 

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much you'll be able to do. 
Oh, they I don't think they'll 

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ever take away too much of the 
function. 

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Like the function of it. 
Like they will they have to at 

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some point. 
I mean you think about Spotify 

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pre? 
Do you have Spotify premium? 

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I have Spotify premium. 
Right. 

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Yeah, and and because you don't 
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interrupted by ads every 30 
seconds, correct. 

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I wonder if Strava hits a 
functionality point for the non 

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paid user that it just becomes 
like you can't post a run that's

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more than 30 minutes or you 
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than five KS. 
They start limiting it's usage 

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based on. 
Never say never, but I just, I 

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don't mean that's, that's a big 
step because they're not a 

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social media site. 
They are a running site and 

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they've got to have the function
to keep the people. 

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They've got to keep that. 
You reckon it was a? 

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Social media site. 
Well, let's see, in a year's 

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time, we'll revisit. 
I disagree with that one, Liam. 

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I think they'll stay. 
I think they'll stay strong. 

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This is good. 
This is good. 

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This is a this is a prediction 
moment for the podcast by the 

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end of the year. 
Let's reassess once you think 

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there'll be no you think you 
think that'll limit the function

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of free users I. 
Think by the end of the year 

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with everything that's going on 
with Strava, the natural next 

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step for them is to start 
limiting the functionality for 

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the non paid users. 
Well, you could argue that 

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already happens 'cause we we 
talk about. 

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So you agree with me? 
No, the function to the point of

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it's pointless to have Strava 
unless you make some type of 

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payment. 
I think that would be the thing.

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But look, this clip bar, this 
clip bar one, I mean, it doesn't

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work great just with audio 
'cause they are at a nightclub. 

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But it just gives you the idea 
of the scope of both Tinder, 

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them, where they're going and 
yeah, it's exciting space at the

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moment. 
Major marathon watch. 

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London. 
London is done. 

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So now we get to turn our 
attention to Sydney. 

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Is that the next on the major 
calendar? 

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I don't imagine there's 
anything. 

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Oh no, Hold on. 
When's Berlin? 

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I feel like we're probably 
shouldn't research. 

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You're talking about majors. 
Major marathons just die down. 

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I think Sydney's not the next 
marathon, but no, it's need to 

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be the next major, wouldn't it? 
So hold on, I've got the list in

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front of me now. 
Tokyo's done, Boston's done, 

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London's done. 
Sydney is next. 

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Berlin's September and Chicago's
in October. 

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So yeah, Sydney marathon, August
31st. 

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That is the next major marathon 
on the calendar. 

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And from a major perspective, 
that's what all ours get turned 

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to. 
Because London is now done. 

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I would just want to run through
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London if I can. 
Because I, you know, I'm a 

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marathon nerd. 
You don't actually care. 

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A. 
Lot of this will be new to me 

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from the weekend so go for it. 
Quickly London by the numbers, 

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it is by far the most popular 
marathon on the planet. 

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They had over 840,000 entries to
participate in this that is 

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that's almost a million people 
like that is getting up to 

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here's another prediction for 
you. 

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Next year, 1,000,000 people try 
to get into the London Marathon.

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Think about that. 
Yep. 

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A million people wanting to run 
this marathon race. 

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Crazy. 
That's a big number. 

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OK, Yep, they set a new They set
a new record for the most number

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of finishes ever at a marathon 
56,640. 

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Yep, which which is interesting 
because like if you look at City

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to surf, it's a bigger run. 
How many people do the city 

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serve? 
Well, they have 90,000 entries, 

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but then generally I think they 
lose about 10 to 15,000 on the 

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on the day is. 
That many our finish. 

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Have too big a night and don't 
show up in that morning. 

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But yeah, no. 
So that's. 

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City I'm gonna have City Surf 
90,000 we celebrated last year 

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celebrated a record turn out of 
nearly 80,000 participants. 

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There you go. 
Isn't that interesting? 

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So yeah, I mean, from a marathon
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it's not there's there are some 
other runs. 

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What's the other? 
So I'm just trying to think 

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Comrades Marathon in South 
Africa. 

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Oh yeah, I think the same thing.
Like massive, massive numbers. 

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I. 
Want to hit you some more 

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numbers, some some runners, 
Specifically the men's winner, 

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Sebastian Saway from Kenya ran a
202. 

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Yep, and he was running in the 
Adidas ADI 0 Adios Pro, the Evo 

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Twos. 
Yep, Adidas had a good weekend. 

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The. 
Women's winner was also wearing 

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those Asefa from Ethiopia. 
She ran a 15 New Woman's World 

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record. 
Well, yeah, so 215. 

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Incredible run. 
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those interested, ran a 205 and 
finished 6th overall but won the

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Masters. 
I did say when I quickly, oh, 

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because I was, I was looking for
the guy you're going to say next

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and looking at his result. 
And then I did see Shivgoi like 

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he's the only guy in the 40 to 
45 or whatever the next age 

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group. 
The rest are all. 30 Yeah, 

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exactly. 
So Alex Yee, and this is we 

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talked about him last week. 
Triathlon gold medalist from the

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last Olympics ran a 211. 
Solid, hey? 

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Really solid. 
I mean it didn't. 

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He was aiming for between two O 
8 and 2:10. 

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But when you put it in the 
context of Andy Buchanan running

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two O 9 for an 11th, he's 2 
minutes behind that. 

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So that's. 
Australia's fastest marathon 

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finisher in this race. 
And with the record as well. 

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Record holder, yeah. 
Andy Buchanan with the Two O 9 

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came 11th overall. 
It sounded like it was a really 

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tough day out there. 
It was hot. 

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Yeah, because I mean he's 
obviously a quicker runner than 

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two O 9, so give so to put it in
context, unlike LHGE when you 

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actually look. 
At the list. 

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He's in the top 20 marathon 
runners. 

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It did surprised me how quickly 
the times drop off. 

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So we've got, you know, when you
start talking times in these 

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elite marathons, you got into 
the two eighteens, two 20s quite

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quick down that list. 
What does that say? 

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I would have thought there'd be 
more depth of like sub elite 

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elite runners who would be 
running in that pace. 

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What? 
And I'm just talking completely 

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out of my butt here. 
It may, I'm thinking it may be 

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the fact that if you're in that 
kind of next level group down, 

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you'd probably go to one of 
those quicker marathons like a 

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Berlin or you know, where we 
talk about them chasing the 

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numbers first. 
Actually, I can actually get 

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paid to go to this event, or 
it's purely like this is the 

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biggest event I want to be 
there. 

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So Alex finished in at 211 and 
the other time I did want to 

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throw out there for people, Ned 
Brockman at 2:30. 

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So I have a problem. 
Why? 

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Why did you put Ned Brockman in?
Here because I think he's a 

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runner of note and we've talked 
about him on him and I. 

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No, I'm going to say this 
because there are viewers or 

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listeners. 
Why are we talking about? 

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Who are going to go to me? 
Why did you talk about Ned 

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Brockman in that? 
But you just mentioned some of 

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the best runners in the world. 
We just talked about a rite of 

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passage at the beginning of this
episode because there would be 

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other runners we'd be interested
in too. 

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Sure, but we talk about it. 
No, no, I'm glad I'm not saying.

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You did you know what you can 
say to your mates who ask you? 

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Because that's what I want to 
know you. 

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Can say Liam put it in there, 
right? 

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That's what you can say to him. 
You can say Liam put it in 

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there. 
Because all those names, Alex 

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Yi, Sebastian Zarway, Essefa, 
they are the pointy end of the 

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scale, right? 
They are the Courtney Atkinson. 

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Ned Brockman is the ME. 
Well, don't throw me in the I'm 

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not that point. 
I mean, I'm not that I'm no, I'm

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on LG is the point. 
On this on this podcast, we talk

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about the elite and we talk 
about the every person and for 

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the every person runner Ned 
Brockman is a name that is of 

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interest. 
Yes, I agree. 

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Is a noisy runner, hey? 
I agree, Liam. 

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I'm gonna. 
Frustrate your mates, but you 

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say, you just say to them. 
Liam put it on there. 

447
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,080
Liam put it on there. 
Go at him. 

448
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,640
Troll him. 
Actually, it's a really solid 

449
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,680
time. 
It's really, it's a really. 

450
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,280
Solid time, so well done to 
everybody who jumped in London. 

451
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720
If there's anybody listening to 
the podcast that did London, 

452
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,640
send us a DM on the Instagram, 
tell us about how the race was 

453
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,000
because I heard it was really 
hot. 

454
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,320
I heard it was it was a it was a
tough day out for the for the 

455
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,680
natives, for the local English 
people who aren't used to that 

456
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,360
sort of weather. 
OK. 

457
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,040
So it was a tough run. 
Got a few. 

458
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,680
We had a few. 
I might just quickly Scroll down

459
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,680
here. 
We had a couple of people ride 

460
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,400
in about London. 
Yeah, just about London. 

461
00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,320
I think it was actually Frey who
sent in like he was on course, 

462
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,320
didn't run, but showed. 
Or you know, that is one race 

463
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,440
where you get like as a major. 
That whole city is packed and 

464
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720
lots going on and I don't know 
if it's got more packed since 

465
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480
running is honest boom but 
didn't have to be. 

466
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,440
He was showing me a few corners 
of an NVIDIA. 

467
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,520
Well, we've spoken with the Gold
Coast Marathon organisers and 

468
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,320
that is the model, That's what 
they're they're targeting, 

469
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,800
that's what they want to try and
make the Gold Coast Marathon 

470
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,960
become. 
Yep, Yep. 

471
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,120
Yep, Yep, Yep. 
Now you had a bit of homework 

472
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,440
from last week. 
I did, I did, and I did my 

473
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,480
homework. 
So we were talking about that 

474
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,320
image of me in 2000 running with
Ivan Rana, the Spanish. 

475
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,480
Well, he went on to become 
Spanish world champion multiple 

476
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,400
times in our talks. 
And I said, well, let's have a 

477
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,640
look at how over the the 
decades, I suppose what you wore

478
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,320
in triathlon and then moving 
into running. 

479
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,920
And the reason was because the 
sunglasses you were wearing in 

480
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,120
those, which are almost like the
Oakley frog skins, I think is a 

481
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,480
bit of the maybe the model. 
I think I had one of the 

482
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,760
original. 
Oh no, because we had the speed 

483
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,000
dealers on that's. 
Right. 

484
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,640
That's right. 
They were a weird. 

485
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,920
They were a weird. 
Classes. 

486
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,360
So we were saying that they've 
come back into almost fashion 

487
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:10,480
now amongst the cool kids. 
Unofficial run club down in 

488
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,120
Sydney under the bridge. 
I I know because I follow a few 

489
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,640
of the crew from there and 
that's like staple, that's 

490
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,080
staple, that's staple. 
Well, quarter, quarter of their 

491
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,360
quarter of their runners are 
running that same. 

492
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,160
So what we're trying to do now 
is get ahead of the curve and 

493
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,160
figure out what's going to be 
cool next. 

494
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320
And we're going to use your 
historical racer time to figure 

495
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,080
it out. 
Yes, so. 

496
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760
We, I mean 2000, which was that 
image from last week that we 

497
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,440
shared 2005 two 10:15 and 2:20. 
Also trying to like look at the 

498
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,400
shoes, which was a bit hard 
because all these images so me 

499
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,920
and Liam are actually looking at
images on a screen for those who

500
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,600
watch video on Spotify or also 
put them up so you can check 

501
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,640
them out as we're talking about 
them. 

502
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,240
But so 2005 I'm racing for New 
Balance Japan. 

503
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,080
As you can see, I'm in a black 
skin suit. 

504
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,760
You're already on board with Red
Bull there. 

505
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Yep. 
So that's got a little that's 

506
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,160
mate, I'm wearing a baseball, a 
Red Bull baseball back what? 

507
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,400
Are you doing a? 
Red Bull baseball cap backwards 

508
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,960
that's rocking a pair of the 
original Oakley radars. 

509
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,040
That's a like that's a your 
heads getting hot in that, 

510
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,360
Surely that thing's not 
breathing. 

511
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,440
Yeah, well, they probably didn't
have many triathletes. 

512
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,840
On that podcast, best guess what
are you? 

513
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,000
What are you wearing on your 
feet? 

514
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,960
I'm wearing a pair of like 5 
millimetre style rubber. 

515
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,400
New Balance races. 
OK? 

516
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,440
Yep, I was racing for New 
Balance. 

517
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,040
So I hope how are you going in 
that? 

518
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,920
How'd you go in 2000? 
I reckon that race here, I'm 

519
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,920
having a win. 
OK, I won, AI won. 

520
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,600
I won a lot of racing. 
That sounds like I'm such an 

521
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,240
arrogant. 
Well, you did No, no, in. 

522
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,720
I was gonna then like follow 
that up with in Japan. 

523
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,160
In Japan I'd race really well in
Japan because I think it was in 

524
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,640
out. 
I was a homeboy, so in our time 

525
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,200
zone I could fly up there, race.
It was always hot, similar 

526
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,800
conditions to Queensland, fly 
home, done. 

527
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,400
When I had to travel to Europe 
and America, you know, you have 

528
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,400
to like that was different 
because you have to, you know, 

529
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760
literally get over, you have to 
pack up, go away. 

530
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,240
Three weeks of preparing 
yourself, get over the jet lag. 

531
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,840
And I'd always race well, first 
up in Madrid each year so that 

532
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,360
I'd fly in three days before 
race good and then my season 

533
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,880
would kind of like slowly 
degress after that. 

534
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,960
So then we go go to 210 and here
I'm racing, I think I've 

535
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,120
mentioned this on the podcast 
before. 

536
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,720
I'm racing for Satchville, which
is a French club lime green 

537
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,880
we're looking at here. 
Now if you look at those, the 

538
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,400
suit I was wearing for New 
Balance was quite a thick Lycra 

539
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560
suit. 
This was the suit I told you 

540
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,840
that you probably should have 
been wearing Dickies under it 

541
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,280
was it was like a paper thin 
just on the Kawami for 

542
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,000
triathletes out there, they'll 
remember the brand Kwame French 

543
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,360
brand. 
And that was that suit. 

544
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,560
Now I am wearing I can see in 
one of those shots down there. 

545
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,320
So that's me finishing with 
Brownlee. 

546
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,360
Yeah. 
So what's going on? 

547
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,600
Why are you right? 
Because. 

548
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Because. 
French racing is team racing, so

549
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,680
it's irrelevant of the you get 
paid for the team, so they'll 

550
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000
pay you an appearance fee to 
turn up and race for the same. 

551
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,800
So Sachreville is like an 
equivalent of a suburb of Paris.

552
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,600
Yeah, I'd go myself, Alistair 
Brownlee there and that's Mikey 

553
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,360
Pensold, a German fella. 
We would go and race for that, 

554
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,520
that suburb, get paid, but then 
we get the bonus on how the team

555
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
went, so no one really cared. 
In this place. 

556
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,680
They're waiting up for me at the
finish line to cross the line 

557
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,800
together as a three. 
We've come first, second or 

558
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,520
third and we've won the team 
day. 

559
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,240
We get our bonuses in cash and 
happy days. 

560
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,840
OK, there's things I want to ask
Sachreville. 

561
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Was that the Was that a rich 
club? 

562
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,640
Rich suburb? 
They well having Alistair 

563
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,840
Brownlee team. 
They paid. 

564
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Which is why. 
Yeah, they paid. 

565
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,200
Well, they paid well, yeah. 
Can I ask what an appearance fee

566
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,760
would have been? 
I. 

567
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Think it was €5000 to race for a
race. 

568
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,080
To pick up and then what were 
your bonuses? 

569
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,680
To be I can't remember the 
bonuses. 

570
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,920
Would they have been better than
the? 

571
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Appearance fee or less. 
No, no, no, no. 

572
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,280
To race French clubs at that 
point you was just like in this.

573
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760
We're we're talking. 
What did I say 2005, yeah. 

574
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,960
So 20 years, no. 
No, no, no. 

575
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,080
Years ago. 
So 20 years ago, yeah, like I 

576
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,440
mean in today's, well, back then
actually the exchange rate was 

577
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,880
even worse. 
So you're probably talking about

578
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840
about 10,000. 
K just start to race for that 

579
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,760
club plus. 
You know, maybe a couple, a few 

580
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,920
more grand if you win. 
So in that race there, we're 

581
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,560
seeing this photo and the other 
two and your team are finished 

582
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,960
basically, but they're waiting 
for you at the line. 

583
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Did you guys seriously finish 
123 that? 

584
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,640
Day, yeah, yeah, that's why 
they're waiting up and I can see

585
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400
David House in the background 
who's racing for a different 

586
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,320
team. 
Yeah, right. 

587
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,240
So move on to and I was in a 
pair of Newton. 

588
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Are the Newtons. 
Yeah, that we can see that in 

589
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,080
the bottom. 
I can see the colours in the 

590
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,880
bottom of that shot. 
So pair and Newtons. 

591
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,640
So we're going from New Balance 
to Newton to 2015 here. 

592
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Is this Noosa? 
No. 

593
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,120
So this is a Gold Coast 
actually, this is my final race 

594
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,640
ever, really. 
This is my final Trifon ever. 

595
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,360
So I was on the Gold Coast here 
as a World Cup 2015 and I wasn't

596
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,400
sponsored. 
I'm in Australian kit now. 

597
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,680
Look, the uniforms haven't 
changed so and they still really

598
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,680
haven't to today. 
Nothing's, I mean the materials 

599
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,200
have probably changed a bit, but
in effect after we wore Dickies,

600
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440
it went to skin suits and it's 
been skin suits. 

601
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,160
And you've reached the ceiling 
of way they can go. 

602
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,240
In Iron Man, they've moved on to
more air like they wear. 

603
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,120
They'll put on a full suit, so 
they've got arms, but that's to 

604
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,640
do with aerodynamics. 
So when they're sitting on the 

605
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,040
bike, yeah, right, Because they 
spend. 

606
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,800
So much time on the bike. 
Correct in in like ITU or like 

607
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,200
Olympic distance racing or 
Olympic Games racing. 

608
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,120
You just don't have the time. 
You just wear that suit. 

609
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,880
OK, now I wasn't sponsored by 
shoes. 

610
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
I can tell because I've gone 
back to wearing a pair of a 

611
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
nearly like waffle Nike. 
So I've got a feeling it's a 

612
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,440
pink Nike, which would have been
a Nike Zoom Racer, super flat 

613
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,000
still. 
So this is pre all the kind of 

614
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,280
big rubbers coming out. 
But I reckon they're a 2010 shoe

615
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160
that I've gone back and got out 
of the cupboard as a favourite 

616
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,600
shoe to wear in 2015. 
So off the back of all that, 

617
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,560
what's coming next in fashion? 
Because it looks like a sort of 

618
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,320
going to lime green onesies. 
I'm trying to figure out where 

619
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,920
fashion's going to go and I 
can't. 

620
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,680
See, like, I mean, triathlon 
we're we're we're running 

621
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840
podcasts and we're talking about
running fashion. 

622
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Triathlon is always being Lycra.
You can't get away from it. 

623
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880
It's a fast if you're doing 
those three sports, it's the 

624
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,360
fastest thing you're going to 
find. 

625
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,040
And yes, the materials change, 
but like, what more can you do? 

626
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,800
They've got better. 
But then the go, go to the next 

627
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,440
shot. 
And this is when then I've moved

628
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,960
on to running and and Solomon. 
And what is interesting is I 

629
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360
want to talk about quickly is 
shorts. 

630
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,920
So this is where you would have 
never that we went through a 

631
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800
period in time where you would 
never you kind of moved away 

632
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,320
from really short run shorts, 
but they're back, right? 

633
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,000
If you go down to run clubs and 
all that you're seeing, what do 

634
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880
you call that type of run short 
like the original 1980s? 

635
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,880
The PE teachers. 
The PE teachers. 

636
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,800
Short, you know, it's back in 
Avengers. 

637
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,280
I I can't go there. 
I'd say my my my normal everyday

638
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640
shorts have shortened up a bit. 
Not my running shorts. 

639
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,440
You and you've introduced me to 
the. 

640
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
You got me into a pair of the 
Salaman Sense Aero shorts. 

641
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,080
They're Baggies and they're 
Baggies. 

642
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Yeah, they're like. 
But you love them, don't you? 

643
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,040
Oh. 
They're the greatest shorts I've

644
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,680
run in. 
But I am the thing for me is 7 

645
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480
inches if we're talking about, 
if we're talking about the 

646
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,800
aesthetics of running. 
Not that I really care about it,

647
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,800
but we all care about it to some
extent. 

648
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,680
I'm sure right? 
And I've got everything about me

649
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800
is quite short. 
So if I wear the when I wear 

650
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,320
those Salomon shorts, I almost 
look like a kid who's, you know,

651
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
running out to play soccer in 
his uniform for the first time. 

652
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,400
I feel stumpy. 
I feel so. 

653
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Stumpy. 
I feel so stumpy in those 

654
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,120
shorts. 
I love running in them. 

655
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,040
But I imagine like I'm sure I 
don't look as athletic as I feel

656
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,080
when I'm running in the. 
So you're saying you prefer to 

657
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,120
put the PE shorts? 
Well, I don't think I can get. 

658
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Away with those. 
Do you reckon that you look like

659
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,080
you're just striding out like a 
gazelle? 

660
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,560
No, no, I'll never look like a 
gazelle because I have. 

661
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,600
I've got thick thighs and thick 
calves. 

662
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,000
My days are skinny jeans are 
long gone behind me. 5 inches 

663
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080
might be your place mate. 
Maybe what, I don't know. 7's 

664
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,120
too long, three's too short. 
Three's definitely too short 

665
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000
People that yeah, people can 
wear 3 inch shorts can get 

666
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840
stuffed. 
Frankly, that's rats nuts. 

667
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,120
But look, you know, I think the 
one thing I do I have found 

668
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000
since running with you, in 
particular my my running fashion

669
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,600
black, black on black. 
Oh, you're black today. 

670
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,480
I'm just. 
I am. 

671
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,640
I remember rolling black on 
black. 

672
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,600
I'm just I'm settling into black
as my colour I think. 

673
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,480
I When you're in Queensland, 
everyone thinks black is bad 

674
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,840
because of the heat. 
Nah, but anything else I just 

675
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560
find you're over sweating. 
There's not too many colours you

676
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,400
can wear in Queensland in a tee 
that's light, so a good running 

677
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,840
material that you don't end up 
looking like you're. 

678
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,960
I know you give me a good 
analogy. 

679
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Of what, sweaty? 
Like Liam Flanagan. 

680
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,640
Like Liam? 
Flanagan run OK. 

681
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,960
All right, let's leave this got 
a bit of. 

682
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Audio sent in. 
You'll like this one, Liam. 

683
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,680
That's my son, Liam. 
Oh my gosh, lads, I'm just 

684
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,520
listening to F32 and I've just 
heard Liam say that he's tanked 

685
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,440
his second week of marathon 
training and saying I had three 

686
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,120
years off because of a back 
injury because I had a baby. 

687
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,160
And I got back into it in 
November. 

688
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,920
And I'm a recent listener of the
pod, but it's my long run 

689
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,360
podcast now as it is everyone's.
And I set myself a sub 4 hour 

690
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,560
goal. 
So I've run a couple of black 

691
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,920
marathon distances just as an 
adventure, you know, like along 

692
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,040
the coast and stuff. 
So I know I can and run the 

693
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680
distance, but based on my 
current running, that was an 

694
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880
always an ambitious goal, but 
I've ended up really unwell and 

695
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,080
I haven't been able to run now 
for three days. 

696
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,160
My doctor reckons another three 
days at least. 

697
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,200
And I was beating myself up. 
Like I'm sorry, Liam, I'm sorry 

698
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,800
to say it, but it it's just so 
relatable that you've come on 

699
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,320
here and been like, it's not 
going well. 

700
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Thank you for sharing that. 
Because sometimes like that is 

701
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800
life. 
This is how training goes. 

702
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,960
It's not, it's not always ideal,
and it's nice to know that 

703
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
someone else is in the trench of
someone who I follow on strap 

704
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,080
and think is a great, above 
average runner. 

705
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Like you're a good runner, Liam.
By global standards, I would say

706
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320
maybe not elite standards. 
Yeah, certainly to me, Like, 

707
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880
you're both people I look up to 
in the running stakes. 

708
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080
My training's going shit. 
It's nice to not feel so alone. 

709
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,480
And I look forward to listening 
to the episode with Benita to 

710
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,320
hear what she has to say about 
it and whether you should be 

711
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,320
reassessing your goal. 
And I should also be doing that.

712
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Thanks for sharing. 
Bianca, I love that that's made 

713
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560
me smile in the I got a little 
bit emotional listening to that.

714
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,199
I've now Bianca, I hope you've 
listened to the Wednesday I've 

715
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,320
just gone because Benita 
delivers an incredible. 

716
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,040
And if you haven't heard it, go 
back this note because at the 

717
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,000
end of Wednesday's episode, 
Benita delivers a line which is 

718
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,880
staying with me, which is that 
the longer you stay in running, 

719
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440
your day will come. 
It's not going to be every race,

720
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,080
it's not going to be every prep,
but you will have your moment. 

721
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,600
You will have your day in 
running. 

722
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,040
And yeah, Bianca, I'm thank you.
Thank you for sharing. 

723
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,400
I'm glad my, my suffering, 
you're sympathising with it. 

724
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,560
I'm glad you're going through it
because I guarantee Bianca, 

725
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,360
there's other there's, there's 
more of us, there's more of us 

726
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,320
that are in the doldrums with 
our running prep and our 

727
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,320
training. 
But Courtney is 1 he's not 

728
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,600
talking about. 
It I'm not talking about it 

729
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,800
much, but. 
You are in the same boat right 

730
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,880
now, 100% with your injury. 
You're you're handling it 

731
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,000
remarkably well, by the way. 
That you it's the stuff you 

732
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,560
don't see off. 
I'm actually it's it's been a 

733
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,400
nice a nice change not to have 
to not stress is the wrong word,

734
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,920
but I can see how people or 
people's the wrong word too. 

735
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,080
I can see how runners or those 
who are interested in fitness, 

736
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,760
if you kind of out of it a 
little bit, how easy it is just 

737
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,960
to take the easy road and go, 
yeah, it's nice not to have to 

738
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
get up at 5:00 AM in the morning
and go running. 

739
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,960
I mean, I miss it. 
But at the same time, if you 

740
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,920
start letting it go too long, I 
can see how you get nice and 

741
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,080
comfortable with that. 
I'll give you an I'll give you a

742
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,800
a comparison and I'm sure he 
won't mind me telling this 

743
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160
story. 
Merrick Watts people American 

744
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,600
Rosso famous radio Stuart 
Merrick is continues to be a 

745
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,880
very successful comedian. 
I worked with Merrick in Sydney 

746
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,320
when I started out in radio and 
I owe him a lot and he is still 

747
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,480
something of a mentor for me 
these days when it comes to the 

748
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,680
all the radio stuff. 
He finished up, I think he was 

749
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,320
on breakfast radio or Australian
commercial radio for 21 years 

750
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,480
for, you know, that's a lifetime
that is a lot longer than the 

751
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,360
average radio career. 
And he finished up and we were 

752
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,080
working together at the time and
he said it's going to be my last

753
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,480
year and he finished up. 
We had a great time and then 12 

754
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,440
months on we were just having a 
chat and I'm like mate, how is 

755
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,280
everything? 
And he said it's amazing. 

756
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,800
And he said The funny thing 
about radio is when you're in 

757
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,960
it, it's all consuming. 
It's a bubble. 

758
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,720
And you think everything 
matters. 

759
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,200
And the world outside radio, 
everybody cares as much about 

760
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680
radio as you do. 
And it's the only thing that's 

761
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,160
important. 
The moment you step out, you 

762
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,360
kind of go, oh, it actually 
doesn't matter that much. 

763
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,240
And there's a world. 
And there's this whole other 

764
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,200
world full of other people with 
their own bubbles and their own 

765
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,760
priorities. 
And that's a bit like the 

766
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,720
running stuff which you're going
through at the moment is. 

767
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,240
And that's not to say it's 
unimportant, but if you take a 

768
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,680
step back for a moment, running 
is just a part of your life. 

769
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,440
It's not all of your life. 
And if you take some time away 

770
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,160
from it doesn't mean you've 
given up and you've stopped 

771
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,480
caring about it. 
But there's other stuff. 

772
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,920
You've, you've hit the nail on 
the head that I went through 20 

773
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,920
years of my life believing 
people knew exactly where I was 

774
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,760
in Europe, what I was raising, 
what was going on, because you, 

775
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,480
you, you make the assumption 
that everyone's is invested in 

776
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,240
that area as you are. 
And as you said, if you're at 

777
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,200
the pointy end too. 
Exactly. 

778
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,320
But you really quickly start to 
realise, I think that's the best

779
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,120
thing, getting out of a small, 
let's call it a fish pond and 

780
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,920
just getting into the wild world
like the big fish pond of the 

781
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,680
world and going, you know what, 
most people don't, even majority

782
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080
of people have you walked into 
an organisation, have got so 

783
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,360
many different interests. 
They really aren't that 

784
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920
concerned with what's going on 
on the weekend in someone 

785
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440
specific area. 
And the other part about it as 

786
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,800
well is you'll find that 
people's biggest interests are 

787
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
themselves. 
Yes, everybody cares the most 

788
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,160
about their lives and what 
they're doing. 

789
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Which is great to have a 
conversation with someone if 

790
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200
they're telling you what they're
they're interested in and you 

791
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,640
can find mutual ground. 
There's also nothing worse when 

792
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040
you've got no interest, no. 
Personal ground is if you, if 

793
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
anybody out there is says they 
struggle to have conversations 

794
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,640
or you know, meet new people, 
ask them about themselves. 

795
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,600
That's all people want to ever 
talk about really. 

796
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,720
When you get to it, ask, just 
ask questions about themselves 

797
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,720
and that will they will fill the
space. 

798
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:19,720
Yeah, they will fill the time. 
So, so true. 

799
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,760
Thank you Bianca though, that 
was genuinely lovely. 

800
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,760
I loved hearing that. 
That was great bit of audience. 

801
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:25,880
What do you think? 
Elite? 

802
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,880
You're just sub elite. 
Yeah, I think you might be 

803
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440
looking at the wrong Strava. 
No, look, I'll, I will take 

804
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,200
that. 
I really that that is that's 

805
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,720
pumped me up. 
I'm actually going for a run 

806
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:37,920
after we finished recording 
today. 

807
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,240
So that's pumped me up back, 
back. 

808
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Thank you. 
We got some more messages coming

809
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,520
through which we love. 
Michael has sent this one 

810
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,320
through. 
He's loving the pod. 

811
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,840
He's currently running in the 
Clydesdale category, so 

812
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,400
definitely keen to see a few 
marathon directors get on board 

813
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,520
with adding this category, he 
says. 

814
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaking of categories, I was in
the age group category under 

815
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,800
Courtney back in the Bribie Tri 
Junior days. 

816
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,800
I've got a good photo of my 
retro Tri suit from back in the 

817
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,400
day. 
I think the photo was from about

818
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,000
1996 at a junior swim run the 
day before the Foster Iron Man. 

819
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,560
I disappeared out of the sport 
shortly after this photo due to 

820
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
a work accident but 20 odd years
later got back into it just a 

821
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
little bit slower these days. 
Love the marathon, lead up prep 

822
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,080
talk and everyone else. 
Keep up the great work. 

823
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,720
So, Michael Grey, do you 
remember the name? 

824
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,560
I, I don't, but I mean looking 
at the photo, I would, I would 

825
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
have been in the back there 
swimming, racing against it. 

826
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,040
This is so Michael's rolling out
back in the the budgie smuggler 

827
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,080
era with the the singlet top on 
top as well. 

828
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,280
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, that was the uniform. 

829
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,720
You didn't have a choice. 
No one had even thought of a 

830
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,880
skin suit at that time. 
Oh, now, oh, this next message 

831
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,160
from Beck Coles, Beck Coles 
Raiders sent this and before I 

832
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,840
start reading it, we this is 
becoming a it's becoming a 

833
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,520
thing, isn't it? 
Saucony, Saucony. 

834
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,480
You're not going to you're not 
going to change me. 

835
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,720
It's Saucony. 
It's OK. 

836
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:04,680
I got bailed up at the post game
press conference of the Brisbane

837
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,720
Lion. 
Syd sorry Gold Coast and Sydney 

838
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,280
Swans game on the weekend about.
A pronunciation of Soconi, 

839
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,960
Soconi, Soconi. 
I got bailed up in the corridor 

840
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,600
and said, oy, that wasn't 
Michael Whiting runner. 

841
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,280
Yeah, yeah, some people up in 
Brizzy as well said you and 

842
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,920
Courtney need to show some 
respect to the brand and 

843
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,640
pronounce it correctly. 
Well, it looks like we do, 

844
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,840
because this week it is the only
shoe brand we've been sent by 

845
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
pictures of shoes Beck Beck 
calls. 

846
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Read here some nice new what she
got taking a look at this. 

847
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,080
Or, or what is it? 
Saucony Endorphins. 

848
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,880
Speed. 
Yeah, during a release of all 

849
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,240
marathons. 
Looking good. 

850
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,960
They do look very sharp. 
Mole. 

851
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,760
I see what they're doing. 
They're releasing specific, a 

852
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,360
bit like how ASICS releases the 
Noosa. 

853
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,960
Oh, like the specific triathlon 
shoes? 

854
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,520
These are the New York version 
of that. 

855
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Saucony endorphins speeds and 
they do look very sharp. 

856
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Lock pair of those feel free to 
send to me. 

857
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Soconi Soconi Soconi Soconi 
Their their their support base 

858
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,840
is solid and they are 
passionate. 

859
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,760
And and then we got another 
message from Rob Candy who said 

860
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200
that question for the pub. 
What pace do you need to be 

861
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
running for carbon plated shoes 
to come into effect? 

862
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,680
He's just bought a pair of the 
Soconi Endorphin Pros. 

863
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,280
There you go. 
And he's been on a couple of 

864
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,360
long runs and he's happy with 
them. 

865
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,160
This is one for you. 
It's probably one we could ask 

866
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,400
somebody, Benita, actually. 
Yeah, Well, Benita, well, 

867
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,320
Benita's the same because we 
really haven't had. 

868
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,360
I want to get someone who's 
really knows their carbon 

869
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,640
running shoes, like someone 
who's into the most science of 

870
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,080
it, to explain this. 
So, Rob, we won't. 

871
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,920
We won't. 
I won't try and do this because 

872
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600
I'm just going to be talking. 
Out of my butt on it, Rob. 

873
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,640
I will tell you what I think and
then. 

874
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,920
He's a radio host, so he's going
to give you an opinion 

875
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,600
regardless. 
And that's running them, mate. 

876
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,800
Hey, Rob, if they make you run 
faster, run in them. 

877
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Yeah. 
Oh, we jump in with a couple 

878
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,960
more, couple more messages from 
from some friends here. 

879
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,120
Ready. 
Friend of the pod who actually. 

880
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,880
Did this come from bacon? 
Oh, this came from Bacon, didn't

881
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,920
he? 
Sent ready. 

882
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,920
'S participants, yeah. 
So Bacon sent this to us. 

883
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,680
Well, it must have been off the 
back of the London Marathon. 

884
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,920
Well, it was, I think he was 
saying like how well he ran it, 

885
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
like the negative. 
Split so Reedy this is people 

886
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,760
might know Reedy from Bondi 
Rescue. 

887
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,000
He's a friend of both of ours. 
I was actually was running with 

888
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,240
Reedy on in Sydney when I blew 
up my calf. 

889
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,480
So Reedy's partly to blame and 
Reedy spent that whole by the 

890
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,720
way, I'm going to throw him 
under the bus here. 

891
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,800
He spent that whole run saying 
to me talking about my sub three

892
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,120
hour goal. 
He said, Mate, if you want to 

893
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,120
run under 3 hours, you need to 
lose 5 kilos. 

894
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,240
I've got a confession. 
I I feel bad as well. 

895
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,000
I put you into Kanani. 
No, no, I know I put you into 

896
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Kanani. 
No one. 

897
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,080
And I and I probably full well 
knew you were. 

898
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
It was a solid event. 
Yeah, and I was under prepared 

899
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,200
for. 
It and you were under prepared 

900
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,240
for it, but I just didn't. 
You know, this is where you 

901
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,720
learn. 
I just didn't see it having that

902
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,360
much effect. 
Here's the thing. 

903
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,720
But I feel bad. 
I'm glad you put me into it. 

904
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Because Kunani will stay in my 
highlights of 2025. 

905
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,120
So don't feel bad for that. 
Just getting back to ready for a

906
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,600
moment. 
No, he went and ran Boston and 

907
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,080
ran a sub three at Boston. 
He was, it was a that's a tough 

908
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,680
corset, A hilly Corsair around a
258 at Boston. 

909
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,320
And then literally 7 days later 
he flies and paces the 3:20 bus 

910
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,280
at London Marathon. 
And Bacon sent this through 

911
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,600
another one of the Bondi Rescue 
fellows because we've talked a 

912
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,920
bit on previous episodes about 
the role of Pacers and the 

913
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,120
responsibility of Pacers to run 
the race two time and well so 

914
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,200
that everybody can get involved.
Reedy's run the 3:20 bus. 

915
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,800
So people trying to break 320 at
the halfway point, he had them 

916
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,440
15 seconds under goal time and 
then by the finish, by the end 

917
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,640
of the marathon, he had them 67 
seconds under goal time. 

918
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,200
So he has negative split the 
race. 

919
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,640
He's run the back end faster 
than the front end and you know,

920
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
from a Pacers perspective and 
responsibility. 

921
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,040
I think he's nailed it. 
Nailed it. 

922
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Ticked it first time running 
with the big flag out the back, 

923
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,320
he said. 
It actually wasn't too 

924
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,160
difficult. 
That he had to run with it on 

925
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,000
him like on. 
A belt. 

926
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Yeah, on a belt with the big 
flag sticking up the back scene.

927
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,520
320 Did you see the triathlete 
guy doing that before Ballarat 

928
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Marathon went out and ran 2 
under 220? 

929
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,960
With a flag. 
With a flag, I mean, that's, 

930
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,040
that's solid, very solid. 
Before we move on to run weeks. 

931
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,800
No strips mate, I am. 
I'm sick of nasal breathers or 

932
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:39,000
advocates of Nas host breathing 
and nasal breathers hassling me 

933
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,360
about how good it is. 
I have deliberately ignored 

934
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,440
those comments in the Instagram.
Yeah, yeah. 

935
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,360
And there's there's been a few. 
So I've I've finally, I'm fed 

936
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,520
up. 
I jumped on Amazon. 

937
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,600
You got some. 
I've got some. 

938
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,360
No, this is a gift for you, 
Liam. 

939
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,160
I want to know. 
Go and try these bloody things 

940
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,120
and tell me if there's any 
difference, because the only way

941
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,240
to find out about the only way 
to find out in the real is to 

942
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,760
test things in the real world. 
I don't want to run with these 

943
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,880
on. 
Do it at night. 

944
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,760
I think these ones are black. 
I think these ones are black so 

945
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,440
you won't even notice I. 
Don't want to run in broad 

946
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,360
daylight with these on my face. 
Run run at night. 

947
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,800
Just give us AI just need to 
know. 

948
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,640
I feel like such a that's cost 
me good money. 

949
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,720
So make sure you do. 
But to anyone who has written in

950
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,640
in the past few months about 
nose breathing and about the 

951
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,080
science and about everything 
else, all right, Kipchogi 

952
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,160
disagrees. 
And now Liam's gonna test out 

953
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,240
the. 
Agreement, right? 

954
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,080
And we want we're getting this 
on the record. 

955
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,680
I will try these. 
I will report on them. 

956
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,960
Next step, next Saturday, next 
full episode. 

957
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Yep. 
And then no more. 

958
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Regardless if if, what happens 
if you try them and you're like?

959
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Oh my God, I'll use them and 
I'll review them and I'll give 

960
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,240
them I'm there's no bias going 
into this. 

961
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,720
No, but the point is I'm not 
going to talk about them 

962
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,000
anymore. 
Even if I start using them for 

963
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,720
every run, we're done. 
We're not talking about them 

964
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,680
anymore. 
OK, We're done. 

965
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Let's move on. 
Hey Can, what's going on with 

966
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,360
you? 
I know you're you're not running

967
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,160
at the moment, but you have been
out on an adventure. 

968
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600
I've been, Yeah, I've been. 
Well, I'm exercise, I mean. 

969
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,840
Well, I'd say I'm exercising. 
I'm back. 

970
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Been pushing a light sled be 
back spinning on the bike. 

971
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,160
So we're getting there next 
week. 

972
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,560
I'll get my scan and hopefully 
we're away. 

973
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,480
So we're getting close for me to
come back and talk about 

974
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,560
running, but I'll give you a 
story. 

975
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,360
So I was out with Subaru out in 
West, we've started Newcastle. 

976
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,520
We talked about going up with 
Matt Hall on the flight. 

977
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,560
I was out on some bikes at 
Stockton Sand Dunes and then we 

978
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640
headed out to Lightning Ridge. 
I think it's about 8 hours from 

979
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,240
there out to Lightning Ridge up 
near the Queensland border. 

980
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,280
And my I won't say it's a that 
hole. 

981
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,680
I mean, that was I would kind of
half expected that. 

982
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,280
So it's an old it's this the 
home of the black diamond. 

983
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,800
It's a black diamond black Opal.
Sorry, I was getting ahead of 

984
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,680
myself there. 
I was thinking too much money. 

985
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,400
It's the home of the black Opal.
So it's only one of the the only

986
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400
one of the places you meant to 
find this inclusive black Opal, 

987
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,480
but the whole town is this 
holes. 

988
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,040
They can hole shafts everywhere.
Just you go OK, out of town and 

989
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,480
just walk through the go in the 
Bush and there's like they're 

990
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,120
all covered now, but there's 
just these hole shafts 

991
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,960
everywhere. 
But my story I want to tell you.

992
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,960
So I travelled with a convoy. 
We're obviously filming ATV show

993
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,200
for Subaru called the great 
Australian detour. 

994
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,400
Andrew Datto, you know, been 
around TVA long time. 

995
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,120
He's the Co host on it with me. 
I'm his. 

996
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,240
Oh well, I'm his sidekick. 
Let's make that clear. 

997
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,720
You're you're he's Batman. 
You're Robin. 

998
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,720
Pretty much, yeah. 
And we all we've got probably 

999
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,800
what we got with filmers and 
like technical guys this time we

1000
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,400
had their our technical Rep is 
was Cody from Subaru drives like

1001
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,440
Australian rally champion cool 
for years. 

1002
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,440
So he did a bit of stunt driving
for me to make me look good in 

1003
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,520
one of the cars as well. 
So don't believe what you see on

1004
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,760
film either. 
Have you seen one sliding around

1005
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
the corner on the loose rock? 
Not you, no. 

1006
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Right, OK, they don't trust me 
that much with the cars. 

1007
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,120
But when we got out to Lightning
Ridge, there wasn't enough 

1008
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,880
accommodation for us all to stay
in the one place. 

1009
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,840
So half stayed down at the Big 4
caravan park in cabins and I got

1010
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,360
down, I got sent down to the 
Lightning Ridge Resort. 

1011
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,720
Now I was thinking and Cody and 
a few of the others Subaru 

1012
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,680
representative. 
I'm like, mate, how good we're 

1013
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,200
going. 
Like hey dado, see you later, 

1014
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,720
mate. 
I'm going down to the resort. 

1015
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,200
Anyway. 
It turned out to be like 

1016
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,960
literally minish cottages. 
Oh. 

1017
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,840
Hold on now, these are the 
photos you sent me of that 

1018
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,840
bathroom. 
Yes, yes. 

1019
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,680
So I've gone down there and 
we're getting the premium 

1020
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,720
accommodation and I think they 
were doing the right thing by 

1021
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,560
sending us down there and 
thinking the same. 

1022
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Anyway, I've walked into the 
first room, got the key, and 

1023
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,040
about two minutes in I can smell
something and I couldn't work. 

1024
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,480
It smelled like a dead rat in 
the wall or something. 

1025
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,320
I couldn't work it out. 
Anyway, after about an hour, I 

1026
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,760
said I can't, I just can't stick
here. 

1027
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,360
I reckon there was a vomit, old 
vomit on the floor near near the

1028
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,640
bar. 
So I've walked over to the 

1029
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,240
reception and said to the the 
lady behind the bar, hey, this 

1030
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:21,760
I've tried for now. 
I just it, it's awful. 

1031
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,800
Do you have a spare room? 
And I reckon she's gone. 

1032
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,760
I can sort you out. 
I'll stitch you up. 

1033
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,080
So everywhere, obviously 
Australia, non smoking, but I 

1034
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,320
reckon there's an area over 
there. 

1035
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,120
They go. 
Anyone who is smoking, we're 

1036
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,600
gonna we're gonna lump you over 
there. 

1037
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,840
So I've walked in between. 
It was, I was in room 35, walked

1038
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,320
past room 34, Literally old lady
out there with a like a cut off 

1039
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,520
coke can, just chain smoking out
the front. 

1040
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,720
You know when you see those old 
westerns, there's someone out 

1041
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:49,760
the front. 
It's like she's on her. 

1042
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,880
I think she was full time and 
she's staying there. 

1043
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,840
The next room, the next room 
along two guys on the beers 

1044
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,400
chain smoking and I'm like, 
yeah, walked in the room. 

1045
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Now this room at least was a 
little bit better, but it's the 

1046
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,040
kind of room where you don't 
even want to put your bags on 

1047
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,200
the ground. 
It was just my I look, I camp, 

1048
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,280
I'm happy to sleep anyway, I'm 
pretty much but cleanliness of 

1049
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,840
not wanting to touch. 
So even touching the door 

1050
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,480
handles are sticky. 
That's the standard. 

1051
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,880
Now the irony is I travelled for
the whole week with a Subaru 

1052
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Forester with a with a genuine 
accessory Subaru block mattress 

1053
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:25,880
in it. 
Why? 

1054
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Didn't you save that? 
That night, the car back at the 

1055
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,200
BIG4. 
I was thinking the whole time, 

1056
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,600
like, why didn't you sleep in 
the car? 

1057
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,160
Well, I would have, I would 
have. 

1058
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,120
That's that's TV, That's showbiz
for you, mate. 

1059
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
There's no, it's all. 
It's a bit of an illusion. 

1060
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,240
We need a new word because that 
place can't be classified as a 

1061
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,680
resort. 
It can't be. 

1062
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,680
As a result I reckon it's in the
top two worst places I've rocked

1063
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,160
up in my whole Like this is 
racing in France, in shitty Ibis

1064
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,040
motels, everything. 
Well, let's go, because I don't 

1065
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,280
know what the question I'm going
to ask is. 

1066
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,840
Which is the shittiest? 
Yeah, a place called Chiligo. 

1067
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,760
It's about 400 or maybe 3-4 
hundred K out of Cairns in the 

1068
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,840
West. 
Chiligo caves. 

1069
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Again a mining like old mining 
type place. 

1070
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,640
Chiligo Yeah, I'm looking it up.
And I don't actually think they 

1071
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,320
have a motel, maybe in town, I'm
not sure. 

1072
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,960
But we stayed at an Airbnb there
and I had the kids and my wife 

1073
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,000
with me. 
And that place, it was like, 

1074
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,200
imagine like a rocking chair. 
And it still had the actual not 

1075
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,160
the shadow, but it looked like 
someone who died was still 

1076
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,840
sitting in that rolling chair. 
Chilligo is in the middle of 

1077
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,280
nothing. 
So it's up north QLD. 

1078
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,760
Yeah, I'm just looking at it. 
Hey. 

1079
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,080
Look, there was some nothing 
there. 

1080
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
There was some characters in 
Lightning Ridge that we met, but

1081
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,760
and then then some of the places
look fine, but we just that was 

1082
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,480
my raw deal for the week long 
story. 

1083
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,000
But yeah, that's where I'll be 
mate. 

1084
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,440
Quickly before I tell you about 
my week, because this weekend, 

1085
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,640
tomorrow in fact, wings for 
life. 

1086
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,840
Yes. 
So as we're talking today, 

1087
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,080
tomorrow. 
So this is for Sunday the 4th of

1088
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,240
May it. 
Is correct. 

1089
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:05,040
So Wings for life world run. 
This is that unique event where 

1090
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,560
you can pretty much run with 
your phone or an app. 

1091
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Some of the events are in 
person, but everywhere around 

1092
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,760
the globe everyone starts at the
same time. 

1093
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Now it's called Mana where 
you're in Austria. 

1094
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,680
If you're in LA, Miami, we start
at 9:00 PM here. 

1095
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,080
But if anyone who is interested 
in coming and checking out, 

1096
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,200
making a donation to come and 
have a run. 

1097
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,240
So I think it's only you. 
I think it might be 28 bucks or 

1098
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,480
something. 
That's what it cost for an 

1099
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,520
entry. 
I was looking at the other. 

1100
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,160
So Sunday night I'm actually 
going to go down, I can't run 

1101
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,560
but I'm going to have a walk and
we will be at the burly Surf 

1102
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,160
Life Saving Club. 
Now why that's important or 

1103
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000
interesting anyone. 
That's where WSL surfing is on 

1104
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,360
this week. 
So anyone in the surfing and 

1105
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,520
we'll have, I'm not can't say 
exactly which Red Bull athletes,

1106
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,800
surfing athletes will be down 
there, but I know Sierra Kerr 

1107
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,120
will definitely be a long Java 
Searl young, well junior 

1108
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,520
champion. 
And then depending on who gets 

1109
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,920
knocked out of the surfing, you 
might see some more. 

1110
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,480
They might be around. 
So there'll be a little bit of a

1111
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,720
crew down there if anyone wanted
to join, but we'll put that in. 

1112
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,440
Actually, I'll put it up earlier
this. 

1113
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,760
Way put it in some notes. 
Yeah, sadly I won't be there. 

1114
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,040
I'd love to get come down and 
get involved but I will be up in

1115
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Brisbane because I've got to do 
the Q clash, I've got to do the 

1116
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Brisbane Lions Golf Coco Suns 
game, which is second V 3rd on 

1117
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,040
the ladder. 
It's the biggest game of the 

1118
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
round, so huge. 
That'll be a massive game. 

1119
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,320
That's right, a magic. 
Ground in Brisbane at the same 

1120
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,800
time. 
It's magic ground in Brisbane. 

1121
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,920
It's a big weekend. 
I am, I'm back. 

1122
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,640
If you listen to Wednesday's app
where I was bemoaning the fat 

1123
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,280
and last Saturdays, that's great
news. 

1124
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,840
Where I was, I was whinging and 
asking Benita to reassess and 

1125
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,880
all the rest of that. 
I am back. 

1126
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,000
And like back back or just. 
I'm back, not back back. 

1127
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,960
Anita hasn't given me the green 
light to be back back just yet. 

1128
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,960
I'm actually after we record 
today, I'm off to do an actual 

1129
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,000
session. 
Like so basically we on Tuesday 

1130
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,200
I ran for 70 minutes 
uninterrupted. 

1131
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,400
The calf pulled up great. 
I even went to the gym after in 

1132
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,200
the afternoon. 
I ran in the morning, went to 

1133
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,000
the gym in the afternoon, did 
some heavy stuff and the calf is

1134
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,360
fine. 
Sorry, that's. 

1135
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,440
Good news, good news. 
Still yesterday rest today, but 

1136
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000
today I'm I'm after we finished 
recording, I'm off to do some 

1137
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,960
tempo efforts start to get a bit
of speed back in the legs 

1138
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,440
because the ease the runs have 
been doing that 70 minute run 

1139
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,640
was at 5 minute pace. 
So there's no real effort there 

1140
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,840
from a heart rate perspective. 
But today I'm off to do some 

1141
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,800
tempo stuff. 
So and the the feeling now and 

1142
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
interesting that Bianca sent 
that message through earlier in 

1143
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,040
the he just played about the 
mindset and the feeling and the 

1144
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,040
sadness of it all. 
Now not feeling that pain in my 

1145
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,000
calf and feeling positive about 
running. 

1146
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:42,960
It's kind of you wish you could 
take the feeling now and have it

1147
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,960
as some sort of be out of, you 
know, have a shot of it when 

1148
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,120
you're feeling like you are when
it's injured. 

1149
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,840
Like if if you could take the 
good times and just have it 

1150
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,080
there to just have a little sip 
of when you're feeling crap, it 

1151
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,520
would make a lot of that running
headspace problems go away. 100%

1152
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,040
like Bianca said. 
That's life, mate. 

1153
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,320
That is life, that is life, it's
life and everything. 

1154
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,200
But the point is, I'm back. 
I'm feeling great. 

1155
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,120
Yep. 
That's good. 

1156
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,200
Oh mate, I am. 
I am stoked to hear that and the

1157
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,040
70 minutes is a good time to run
now. 

1158
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,200
Don't want to undercut, undercut
the Captain Benita, but oh, here

1159
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,520
we go. 
Maybe I'm just going to back her

1160
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,480
up. 
Just take it easy. 

1161
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,040
No, no, no this. 
Is tempo. 

1162
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,920
It's tempo but air on the side. 
Off caution, can I give you what

1163
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:27,960
it is? 
I'll tell you what the session 

1164
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,040
is. 
I'll tell you this is for 

1165
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560
everybody. 
So I have run a a 70 minute easy

1166
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,680
run and then I've had a day off 
and now my session today is easy

1167
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,200
1015 minutes and then three 
sets, 6 minute tempo aiming to 

1168
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,040
run the first 3 minutes at 4:45 
pace. 

1169
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,360
So for what I want to run Gold 
Coast, this is still a really 

1170
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,040
light session. 
So the first I'm doing three 

1171
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,040
sets at six minute. 
Three sets of 6 minute tempo. 

1172
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,560
First 3 minutes at 4:45 pace, no
faster. 

1173
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,280
The next 3 minutes, slightly 
faster as you feel. 

1174
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,240
Now these are Benita's notes I'm
reading directly. 

1175
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Not supposed to be anywhere near
as hard as you can. 

1176
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Even 430 pace would be fine with
a 92nd jog after it. 

1177
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,040
So essentially I'm going to be 
doing three sets of 6 minutes 

1178
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,600
where the six minutes is 445 
into 430. 92nd jog after each so

1179
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,200
it. 
Is very nowhere near as fast as 

1180
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,080
you can go. 
That's nowhere near as fast as 

1181
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,800
I've come and she said it's just
a light session to test a few 

1182
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,520
things out. 
We'll progress if it's all OK. 

1183
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,200
Paces are just a guide. 
Shouldn't feel hard just to get 

1184
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,400
you doing something that's a bit
faster than a jog. 

1185
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,280
As long as all feeling good. 
Easy jog, cool down 5 to 10 

1186
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,760
minutes. 
I will say on Benita's training 

1187
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,240
tips as as she's been getting me
back from this calf injury, 

1188
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,720
there's been runs where she said
45 minutes to an hour depending 

1189
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,760
on how you feel, 30 minutes to 
40 minutes depending on how you 

1190
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
feel. 
Do you get the obvious question?

1191
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,360
Do you go high? 
Or low. 

1192
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,120
So old me would have gone 
without Benita. 

1193
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,400
Me would have been well, I've 
got to run the hour. 

1194
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,600
I've got to run the upper limit 
of what the scope is. 

1195
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,480
The most recent, not last week, 
Benita gave me, she said 40 

1196
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,240
minutes to an hour. 
Only run an hour if you're 

1197
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,440
feeling great. 
Now I got through 40 minutes. 

1198
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,560
I got to 47 minutes. 
And my calf didn't hurt, but it 

1199
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680
it was suddenly like, oh, I just
had. 

1200
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,200
There was that. 
Yeah. 

1201
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,880
You had sensation that felt 
tired. 

1202
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Yeah. 
And I was. 

1203
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Tired. 
Tired to a good. 1 And I was so 

1204
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,240
proud of myself because I 
stopped. 

1205
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,320
I stopped running. 
And Benita like basically 

1206
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,520
applauded me. 
She's like, good, that's what 

1207
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,280
you're meant to do. 
I could this subtext was her 

1208
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,720
going idiot, but no, she wasn't.
She's been amazing. 

1209
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,080
But it was like I was proud of 
myself because I was probably 

1210
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,920
still OK from my from home. 
And I stopped and I walked, I 

1211
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,520
got home and I asked my calf and
I did almost. 

1212
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,480
And I'm like. 
So 2 weeks, well, what have we? 

1213
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,240
I mean, it's only two weeks, 3 
weeks that we've been talking to

1214
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,000
Bonita, but like, and you 
haven't obviously haven't had 

1215
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,040
the best run in that time, but 
just really initial thoughts 

1216
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,600
around having someone in your 
corner like that coaching you. 

1217
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,960
So because I haven't been able 
to actually utilise Benita's, I 

1218
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,280
guess expertise from a, a weak 
planning perspective, I saw what

1219
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,600
that first week looked like and 
then I got hurt, right? 

1220
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,400
So I, I wouldn't be able to give
too much about, oh, it's amazing

1221
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,800
getting that structured week, 
although I know that's coming. 

1222
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,000
What I've found the reassurance 
of it's taken away decision 

1223
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,720
making. 
That's the biggest difference 

1224
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,800
I've found with having Benita 
involved is it's just taken the 

1225
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,120
load off of like I was going to 
catch up with there's, I've had 

1226
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,480
a couple of people message me 
going, hey, do you want to go 

1227
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,560
for a run? 
Do you want to go for a run? 

1228
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,680
Do you want to go for a run? 
And I've just said to them all, 

1229
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,640
I'm like, here's what I'm doing.
If you want to come run this 

1230
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,360
guy. 
If you don't, we won't run 

1231
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,120
together. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1232
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,920
Like I've had even with a mate 
said, do you want to go for a 

1233
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,560
live trial? 
And I said, I've got to do this.

1234
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,880
And he's like, oh, no, I don't 
want to do that, man, great. 

1235
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,160
We don't run back. 
It's it's just, it has really 

1236
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,320
simplified life in that sense. 
Do. 

1237
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,800
You think like you just 
mentioned decision making. 

1238
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,360
Do you think if you didn't have 
her in your corner or like this 

1239
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,680
is talking to anyone like a a 
coach or a captain or whatever, 

1240
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,560
someone helping you, do you 
think your mood would even be 

1241
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,320
worse? 
Do you think you'd even be 

1242
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,240
further down? 
Because then you've also. 

1243
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,480
Got to make terms of the injury.
Yeah. 

1244
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,080
So like you, you said you're, 
you know why you're injured. 

1245
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,920
I would have. 
Heard it again yeah I would have

1246
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,840
heard it again because despite 
following the physio programme, 

1247
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,160
I would have been trying the 
runs that. 

1248
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,720
So Liam, my physio has been 
prescribing the the rehab and 

1249
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,360
the strength training and all 
that sort of stuff. 

1250
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,760
But I know when I've had 
injuries previously, I, I 

1251
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,440
haven't stuck to the return to 
running sessions. 

1252
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,160
I've gone too hard or gone too 
fast. 

1253
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,640
I've gone done too much too 
soon. 

1254
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,840
So I probably would have heard 
it again. 

1255
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,720
And is that because you feel 
accountable that people are 

1256
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,240
helping you, so you want to make
sure you do it right for them? 

1257
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,320
Or like I'm trying to get to 
the. 

1258
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:11,040
That's the thinking of it. 
Previously it's an ego thing. 

1259
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,440
Previously, when I was doing it 
wrong and would have hurt 

1260
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,320
myself, it's like, well, I can 
do this. 

1261
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:21,640
It's me just saying no, I can do
more than what the experts are 

1262
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,560
telling me to do. 
Now with Benita, it's that sense

1263
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,160
of, as I said, I don't have to 
worry about them making a 

1264
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,800
decision. 
There's somebody I'm just 

1265
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,960
putting my trust in to tell me 
the best way to do this because 

1266
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:41,640
of their expertise. 
And it's almost a sense of I'm 

1267
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,400
not responsible. 
Like it's it's all about me, but

1268
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,720
in a weird way. 
It gives you a bit of an out. 

1269
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,840
I'm not responsible. 
Yeah, it gives you a bit of an 

1270
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,800
out. 
That's the feeling. 

1271
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,320
Hey, Bonita. 
If I get to the end of the 

1272
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,520
marathon and this has gone 
badly, it's on you. 

1273
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:01,240
It's, you know, and I don't. 
Talking by someone who injured 

1274
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,160
themselves yeah yeah, before she
even got to look Hey disclaimer,

1275
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,600
you do give yourself to her in a
pretty bad. 

1276
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,040
Benita's been sold an absolute 
lemon, all right, the Benita has

1277
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,080
been handed a lemon off the lot 
and she's having to then take 

1278
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,160
responsibility as it prepares 
for Bathurst. 

1279
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,600
She's also sounds like she's 
been given the golden egg in 

1280
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,920
Bronte. 
Yeah, yeah, Benitez walked onto 

1281
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,640
the lot and bought 2 cars. 1 is 
an absolute bargain that's going

1282
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,560
to run forever, and the other 
one's an absolute lemon that 

1283
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,720
thinks it's a race car, right? 
So yeah, no, but in short, I'm 

1284
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,560
back, I'm enjoying and I'm 
happy. 

1285
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,400
I'm happy running again, so it's
great. 

1286
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,640
What do we got? 
We got some listener questions 

1287
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,160
to hit up. 
Let's go. 

1288
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,080
Let's start off with Nick Baker.
Hi gents, loving the podcast. 

1289
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,840
Any chance you can shed some 
light on the best nutrition and 

1290
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,000
gels that are gluten free for 
the celiac running community? 

1291
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,320
I reckon there's a few around 
like me that'll be keen to find 

1292
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,520
out. 
You know what I was going to I 

1293
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,240
was going to handball this and 
went to go and re like go to 

1294
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,520
someone and ask. 
And so I was like, jeez, this is

1295
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,480
something out of my ballpark. 
I just did a quick Google and 

1296
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,760
pretty much every gel is gluten 
free. 

1297
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,880
Really not sorry. 
OK, so we don't get caught on 

1298
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,760
this Gu Goo gels gluten free 
majority majority of them Morden

1299
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,760
gel claim gluten free. 
So pretty much if you go and 

1300
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,920
Google any gel brand, whether 
it's gluten free, majority of 

1301
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,600
them will come back or if the 
ones are all the ones that I 

1302
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,080
quickly googled seem to be 
gluten free and they have that 

1303
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,000
there. 
So that's that information. 

1304
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,320
But please check for yourself as
well. 

1305
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,400
So then next bit of that 
question is like probably just 

1306
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,960
talk a bit quickly about gel. 
So eventually with Gold Coast 

1307
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,440
Marathon, because it's fixed 
nutrition I believe is on the 

1308
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,760
marathon course, we're gonna 
have a discussion about 

1309
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,120
nutrition in a race and what is 
possible to use and how to get 

1310
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,760
used to that and all of that. 
But take in that out for the 

1311
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,080
moment, like what gel do you use
if you use the? 

1312
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,920
Gel I use goose I use I use is. 
That because you can buy them 

1313
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,960
easy at Rebel. 
No, I buy them online at Amazon 

1314
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,200
because you can buy a box for it
at A at a bulk. 

1315
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,960
And it makes a. 
Better price I think. 

1316
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,720
I I think I use them because I'm
familiar with them. 

1317
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,960
I started when I started trying 
to do NUSA triathlon 10 years 

1318
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,080
ago now. 
I think Goo might have been one 

1319
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,680
of the race sponsors then. 
And I bought some of the Expo 

1320
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,320
and I just kind of stuck with 
them. 

1321
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,720
And when I got back into 
marathon prep, I actually asked 

1322
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,520
Edzie Gordon, what are you 
using? 

1323
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,680
And he sent me the link. 
He's like, I'm using, I use 

1324
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,640
these. 
And so now what I'll do is I'll 

1325
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,120
buy a bulk box of the Goo gels 
with the caffeine, 1 flavour 

1326
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,240
with the caffeine and one 
flavour that's non caffeine and 

1327
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,720
split them. 
Yeah, Goo goo's been around for 

1328
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,840
like, I don't know exactly the 
history, but like I can remember

1329
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,560
back when I was racing young, 
they were around interestingly, 

1330
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,120
no. 
Well, interestingly when you say

1331
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,040
goo, they're the only gel that I
believe, unless that's changed 

1332
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,840
just recently. 
If you walk through Rebel Sport,

1333
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,000
where most people go to buy 
their goggles or whatever, you 

1334
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,240
know the main sports store in 
Australia, that's the only kind 

1335
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,320
of consumable product you can. 
It's and it makes sense for 

1336
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,080
gels, right? 
You grab them and it's they're 

1337
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,360
all goose. 
I tend to have been sold on the 

1338
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,200
whole elite thing around Morton.
OK, However the brand when it 

1339
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,800
comes to sports drinks slash 
gels sis I'm a big massive fan 

1340
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,440
of. 
I will just quickly share that 

1341
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,080
while we're talking gels, the 
other thing I like because goose

1342
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,200
can become after a while, Cliff 
blocks. 

1343
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,280
Yep I I really like that just as
something different because I 

1344
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,240
know some people will run with 
lollies but I find that a Cliff 

1345
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,720
block gives you that energy and 
in a lolly format essentially. 

1346
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,160
Because it's come from a, let's 
say, a nutrition company. 

1347
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,280
Do you find like if you took 
that Cliff block, do you kind of

1348
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,920
think, well, that's better 
energy than if I had a, a snake?

1349
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,880
Yep. 
I don't know if it's true. 

1350
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,800
I think it's probably complete 
bollocks, but yeah, no, it's 

1351
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,040
interesting because it's all 
about that. 

1352
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,840
It comes back to that notion is 
like it's a brand I'm taking or 

1353
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,000
the way it's kind of sold to me 
placebo wise. 

1354
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,280
I agree. 
You're probably thinking I'm 

1355
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,080
going to get better out of this.
And the other. 

1356
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Thing that goes. 
Yeah, true. 

1357
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,320
And the other thing I've been 
using a little bit of like 

1358
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,080
because we got sent some is 
pillar. 

1359
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,680
I've just been using that as a 
post training thing, the 

1360
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,720
magnesium recovery flavour yeah 
and I liked it. 

1361
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,040
I I thought I'm pillar sent some
of the stuff to us. 

1362
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,680
I've been giving it a try and as
I recovered from this injury 

1363
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,200
I've I've really enjoyed using 
it so. 

1364
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,480
Yep. 
So there you go, Nick. 

1365
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,200
It doesn't. 
Yeah, they're they're the gels I

1366
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,840
prefer and and and Liam prefers,
but it seems like most of them 

1367
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,560
are gluten free. 
And speak. 

1368
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,800
What's interesting, we're going 
down this nutrition Rd because 

1369
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,920
Brett Quails also sent us 
through a question saying loving

1370
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,320
the pod, loving the marathon 
talk. 

1371
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,160
It's so, so good. 
I have a question for both of 

1372
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,560
you. 
How do you deal with cramps when

1373
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,880
running? 
As I did at a half the other 

1374
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,520
weekend I was cramping, snuck in
at the back end also. 

1375
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Any advice? 
Someone wanted to start trail 

1376
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,320
running? 
Keep it up guys. 

1377
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,880
And I think Liam needs to have 
got the Panorama punish at 

1378
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,720
Bathurst. 
What's that? 

1379
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Oh, you know, that sounds like 
it's a lap of the track. 

1380
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,400
Yeah, we did look at this 
earlier on in a few of the 

1381
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,320
episodes. 
I think Brett actually sent this

1382
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,760
through to us. 
Do you ever have? 

1383
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,480
Did you have a cramp during your
races? 

1384
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,680
I used to have some some more 
stitch like issues. 

1385
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,480
Sort of under that rib. 
Yeah. 

1386
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,280
So I'd consider like cramp, like
deal with cramps. 

1387
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,920
I I consider if you say cramps 
more like like muscular cramps 

1388
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,120
versus stitch. 
Stitching is probably more to do

1389
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,120
with diaphragm and breathing and
that type of thing is cramp. 

1390
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,840
It's probably more to do with 
muscular thing. 

1391
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,000
Now look, the first thing I 
think some crew out there will 

1392
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,240
think is salt. 
Now we're talking half marathon 

1393
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,240
here. 
So I don't think salt, anything 

1394
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,200
to do with electrolytes or salt 
concentration. 

1395
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,520
If you've got a reasonable diet 
up to it's going to make too 

1396
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,240
much of a difference. 
Cramping in this case is going 

1397
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,800
to be to do with weakness of the
muscle. 

1398
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,280
So you're not you've, you've 
gone too hard or something's you

1399
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,080
know, you're not you, your 
muscle isn't ready to take on 

1400
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,640
the kind of, you know, challenge
you're putting it through. 

1401
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:18,040
So that that would be my opinion
of this of the first case, just 

1402
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,360
like footy, the only probably 
once it's happened and you've 

1403
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,160
got into it, it's like some type
of pickle juice or anything, 

1404
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,240
this cramp fix or whatever. 
I haven't had too much to 

1405
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,480
experience with them because I 
haven't had this issue. 

1406
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,880
However, I mean, I know from 
footy, right, or cricket or 

1407
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,760
anywhere where they're cramping,
it's the first thing they'll go 

1408
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,320
do. 
Do you know I was? 

1409
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,240
I can't really shed light on 
this area because I reckon in my

1410
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,920
life I've cramped 6 times. 
I don't get cramped that's I 

1411
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,440
don't. 
My wife will get cramped at 

1412
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,200
night while she's asleep but I I
don't cramps. 

1413
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,120
Not something that really hits 
me either, so. 

1414
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,120
You know what, to take the 
cramping out of it for a moment 

1415
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,160
just to that notion of putting 
your body through something it's

1416
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,760
not used to and it's probably 
going to not respond real well. 

1417
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,880
It's the same. 
It's the same theory. 

1418
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,920
Like if you're going out to run 
a half marathon and you haven't 

1419
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,440
prepared your body to do a half 
marathon, you try and do the 

1420
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,440
first 10K2 quick. 
The likelihood whether it's 

1421
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,400
cramping or slowing down or 
whatever it is, it's going to 

1422
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,800
happen in the second half of 
that race. 

1423
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,479
Yeah, some people might just 
have a more of a weakness in a, 

1424
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,960
in a cramping type environment. 
Others will just slow down, 

1425
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:23,960
others will bonk. 
You know, it just depends on 

1426
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,000
what it is. 
Just quickly, I'm looking at the

1427
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,960
Panorama punish and it looks 
like it's yeah, run one hot lap.

1428
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,960
So basically you're racing a 6.2
K, it's 174 metres elevation. 

1429
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,880
The winner last year's race, 
what do you reckon the winner 

1430
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,600
did that in 6.2 kilometre race, 
174 metres elevation. 

1431
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,359
The winner was in the 15 to 18. 
Oh, so 15 to 18 year old, I'm 

1432
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:52,000
gonna what's I reckon probably 
20 minutes. 21 minutes, Yep, 

1433
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,240
Yep. 
So it's a, it's a Sprint. 

1434
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,880
Long way to go for a Sprint, 
long way for me to get to 

1435
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,319
Bathurst just to run 6.2 guys 
righto. 

1436
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,439
We got anything else to finish 
Courtney? 

1437
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,600
I reckon let's finish on a bit 
of light heartedness. 

1438
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,520
Here we go, bit of Matt Lyon. 
We always love him. 

1439
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,160
What's up man, I noticed you're 
wearing a ridiculous amount of 

1440
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,000
moisture wicking materials. 
You must be here for local 

1441
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,720
locomotion. 
It's our twice weekly club for 

1442
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,279
people with running shoes 
brighter than the solar eclipse.

1443
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,560
My name is Skedaddle. 
First thing we do when everybody

1444
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,080
shows up is set the daily 
mileage and pace. 

1445
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,240
Now that can be done several 
ways, but primarily it's 

1446
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,640
dictated by the medium length of
our shorts. 

1447
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,760
If you can see. 95% of your 
thigh. 

1448
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,920
We're running 6 minute miles. 
Inversely, if you show up in a 

1449
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,319
pair of capris, we're going to 
be going for a brisk walk like a

1450
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,399
couple suburban moms. 
What's your VO2 Max by the way? 

1451
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,880
Now, I know this is a way to 
socialise with other runners, 

1452
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,920
but until I've saved the stats 
on my watch post run, I don't 

1453
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,120
want to hear a word out of your 
mouth. 

1454
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,720
Otherwise, what's the point of 
coming out here? 

1455
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,920
We all knocked out 12 miles last
Saturday. 

1456
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,160
You want to know the first thing
we did when we finished? 

1457
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,840
That's right, guzzled down 12 
beers and traded our Strava 

1458
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,440
usernames like their Pokémon 
cards. 

1459
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,800
Welcome to the big leagues, 
kids. 

1460
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,240
This didn't always come easy to 
me. 

1461
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,480
You know how demoralising it is 
coughing up along in a public 

1462
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:06,760
space. 
It's terrible. 

1463
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,400
That's why I prefer to run in a 
horde of 25 to 30 other people. 

1464
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,520
Takes the eyes off you. 
Can I give you a quick tip? 

1465
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,440
We're an adult diaper. 
Next time the porta potty at 

1466
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:19,960
mile 6 hasn't seen a Clorox wipe
since the fart like 5K back in O

1467
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,440
9 places. 
A war zone. 

1468
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,520
Do me a favour, send me a pic of
all your participation medals. 

1469
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,000
That will determine whether or 
not you're worth talking to. 

1470
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,800
And not to be rude, but I just 
don't normally chat to somebody 

1471
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,880
without a seal hat and a 
hydration vest. 

1472
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,200
He's he has got the the parody 
of running. 

1473
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,960
Nail. 
Oh, wait, he's he's he's my 

1474
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,080
favourite. 
That's why you're gonna keep 

1475
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,480
hearing. 
No, he he's got it. 

1476
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:45,960
He's got it absolutely figured. 
Out on that note Lee, make sure 

1477
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,680
everyone subscribes that will 
help us out and. 

1478
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,200
We are we, we continue to build,
keep subscribing and like Bianca

1479
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,520
did, audio messages, we love 
them. 

1480
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,440
They're easy for us to respond 
to and get involved. 

1481
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,560
So feel free to send through the
audio messages and Yep, 

1482
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,360
subscribe, comment, send through
your comments as well. 

1483
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,080
We want to keep growing. 
We want to keep building. 

1484
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,640
We'll see you next week. 
See you next week.