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In the beginning, episode 10, 
Courtney, they said we'd never 

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make it to double figures, but 
here we are 10 amps down. 

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How are you? 
I'm good, yeah, 10. 

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I mean, it's still early days, 
isn't it? 

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But. 
Very. 

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What's been going on, Tyson? 
Fight Oh, let's talk about Mike 

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Tyson, Jade Paul. 58 versus 27. 
I think that was the age gap. 

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This hurt me. 
It hurt me. 

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Why? 
Oh, it's just, you know, Father 

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Time does catch up, doesn't it? 
Undefeated. 

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It does. 
And I was. 

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I really thought if anyone can 
do it, a crazy cat like him can.

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But no. 
Which, you know, as we slowly, 

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slowly tickle towards those 
ages, I'm like, better make the 

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most of it right now. 
I That is a great take away from

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the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight.
It's entertainment. 

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Like there's there's better 
entertainment out there. 

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There's worse entertainment out 
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This because of the characters 
involved. 

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Capture the imagine. 
I think it was 60 million people

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around the world or something 
watching Netflix. 

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It's the perfect storm of 
entertainment culture influences

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with streaming and all that sort
of stuff. 

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Of course it's going to get this
huge. 

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Number everything. 
Everything perfect Storm. 

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I do like the way they put it so
encapsulated the older audience 

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who remembers like even older, 
older than us who remember Tyson

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in his day to when we probably 
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career. 
And then you had like my son was

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down the road with young mates 
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you know, watching it because of
J Paul. 

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Who started out as a Disney kid?
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the the fact of the matter is 
he's they've brought in an 

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audience of every age. 
It's on Netflix. 

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They stop the nation. 
Yep or stop the world. 

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Very disappointing. 
In the end. 

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The women's fight was amazing. 
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the Co main event was was proper
serious boxing. 

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I know the young boys love the 
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beginning, but it's highlight. 
But it's noise, right? 

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It's what we talk a bit about 
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the running space. 
Jake Paul is the definition of 

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someone who creates noise. 
And as a result, he gets to step

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into the ring with one of the 
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even though he's at least 20 
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capability age. 
It was an entertainment event. 

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It was an entertainment event. 
It was entertaining. 

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I, I, if I'm honest, the 
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after the first two rounds. 
Knowing that, I think, 'cause 

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what do they go? 
6 rounds 8. 

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Rounds NO88. 
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when you could see that Mike 
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it became hard. 
To watch it was disappointing, 

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mate, it was disappointing but. 
To your point about age, Father 

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Time being undefeated, he the 
legs were gone. 

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That that was the thing I noted.
And we know, I mean for PE 

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people that might not know road 
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boxer's workout regime. 
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legs, Yep, their, their arms and
their fists. 

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So what do all the damage? 
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that sport. 
And he didn't have any legs. 

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Yep, he didn't have any legs 
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Compared with Jake Paul, who has
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And he's 27. 
And he's 27. 

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He's of age. 
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you know, on the weekends, I 
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You compare it with the UFC 309 
was on the Sunday and you talk 

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about an event with the best 
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So forget the influences. 
This is real. 

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And John Jones came back. 
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I mean, this was like a crazy 
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You you see Trump walk in as as 
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different atmosphere. 
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what I love about what the way 
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they're all under contract to 
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fight, the best, yeah. 
There's no hiding. 

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No, they get the best fights and
it's week in, week out. 

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And the key, just like running, 
it's consistency. 

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Yeah, You just know, every 
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watch UFC. 
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interesting point the UFC now 
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of Conor McGregor, it dipped 
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slightly. 
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the diehard fans were still 
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But for your casual follower of 
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McGregor, I think it dipped and 
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coming back up again from a the 
casual fan, right? 

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What's interesting about both of
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and UFC, is there's this idea 
out there that boxing audiences,

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you know, mixed martial, mixed 
martial arts audiences are, you 

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know, your rednecks, yeah, your 
bogans, your rednecks. 

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But this is not true. 
It is so not true. 

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You know, female, male, it's 
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You know, there's obviously a 
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of fighting and that like combat
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this now. 
I think I, you know, both with 

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Netflix now backing this style 
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strength to strength, I think 
this is only going to grow this 

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space. 
The other take I had on the Mike

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Tyson, Jake Paul situation was 
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that we saw earlier this year 
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Mike Tyson thing, I think 
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their hand or their intent or 
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most people already, but showing
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their intent about going to the 
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And if you're a if you're a fan 
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This is great. 
You better get used to, well, 

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you better be prepared because 
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sport could be you might have to
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It's it. 
Would that many people not have 

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Netflix at? 
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I don't know what the numbers 
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be a really. 
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Live sport is probably the last 
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if you are, let's look locally. 
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NRL and Netflix comes knocking 
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cheque that the free to air 
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offering here and probably the 
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of offering. 
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So that is the the new frontier.
And I wonder if to, to go back 

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to the core of this podcast, I 
wonder if there are some, some 

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run events that could start to, 
you know, rather than wait for 

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Netflix to knock cold, call them
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want to get involved and, and 
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around live sport utilising the 
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the new triathlon? 
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We'll Stan Amazon like Prime, 
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Australian sport already. 
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and Netflix. 
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Christmas special like Gridiron 
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Day. 
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everyone, all Aussies sit around
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Netflix and I have the biggest 
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So it was. 
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I went down to the I went down 
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qualifying for series for the 
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happening for the old, old 
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Australian. 
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yeah, I actually thought the 
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really good. 
It was Courtney Hancock and your

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don't know if they do they 
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anymore. 
Are they is it on delay? 

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Is it kind of streamed? 
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for a lot of years. 
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say back to maybe when was the 
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I can think, I reckon it's back 
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maybe even a bit early in that 
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talking a long time ago. 
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think, turning point for that 
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on TV. 
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triathlon, your Uncle Toby's 
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marathons in City to Surf get a 
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participation based. 
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events, 2005 was was really the 
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Well, Speaking of, and we'll get
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shortly, but Speaking of live 
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yourself running Courtney? 
Mate, you know you definitely 

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know how to take a a turn on 
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Have you ever in your 
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you ever get caught short in mid
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No, I've, I've never I, I can't 
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shot myself. 
No, but I've never shot myself 

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in a race. 
But have a listen to this. 

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Yeah, this is this. 
As hard as she could and she 

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went awning. 
We shouldn't be taking the piss.

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Maybe you don't want. 
You do not want this to happen 

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to anyone. 
No, we we're not taking the piss

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by any means. 
That is American Taylor nib mid 

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race. 
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I don't know if she went on to 
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assuming. 
He was in Dubai. 

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OK, Australia's Ashdown so. 
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between the Iron Man and the ITU
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Olympic distance and the Olympic
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100K and hopefully, yeah, all 
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I think she's meddled at Olympic
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She's a she's a star, She's one 
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is on the run. 
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cameraman, cameraman, I've just 
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not film my ass? 
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And she says thank you. 
It's about as polite a 

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conversation for as you know, 
inappropriate a converse topic 

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as you would hear. 
And here's the thing called she 

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did go on to win. 
Oh, wow. 

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She went on to one win there. 
Oh, what do you have just 

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scrolled down? 
I've just scrolled down on a 

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photo taken of her at the finish
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The memo? 
They didn't get the memo. 

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The memo didn't get to whoever 
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line. 
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I and I reckon every amateur 
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professional too, feels Taylor's
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I feel that pain every morning I
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But mid run, like the if and if 
anybody's out there who explores

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the trails, it's a it's a real 
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It is a big problem. 
I think that's morning runners. 

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It's one of the, it's the key, 
the key concerns of how you get 

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around this. 
And you know, it dictates our 

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location where we start. 
You know, there's a it's and 

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what, what, what the standard of
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Where you start a run is also 
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Because you can have toilets, 
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there's toilets. 
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doing a great job up the 
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some of the southern end. 
Down your way where let's just 

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call them. 
Yeah, a little bit sloppy down 

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your way you. 
You not happy with the standard?

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Not happy with the standard but 
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And that is why I would say for 
all you runners out there, you 

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need to know where your toilets 
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You need to know where your good
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I at the Noose triathlon as an 
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no, no, the Portaloo situation 
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They do their best, but I've 
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how to access, you know, like a 
a customers only toilet that's 

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that's behind a locked gate. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found one up

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in Noosa this year that proved 
an absolute lifesaver because 

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the pre race nerves get you as 
well. 

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And before you know it, you're 
finding yourself going more than

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you need to. 
But the do you have any tricks, 

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any tricks for people out there 
on this topic Court. 

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Nothing beat I I don't think 
anything beats a coffee. 

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Get a coffee into you, bit of 
caffeine into you, and then give

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it a little bit of time and then
wait. 

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So you're just gonna wake up a 
bit earlier. 

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That's a trick. 
You do have to, but cater it 

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into. 
Your the morning routine, the 

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pre run routine, Yep. 
But the group when you were 

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meeting a group, that's the real
that's the one that really is 

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hard. 
Like I need another 5-10 

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minutes. 
What do I'm gonna do? 

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They're off running and you 
know, 2 minutes. 

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Yeah. 
Can you wait for me? 

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Then we have that conversation 
on how big's a group or anyway 

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the running problems. 
The I've had one up at the main 

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beach there and we're the same 
thing. 

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It's like run group starting in 
4 minutes and the bloke's there 

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cleaning at the toilets and he 
just thought I know the mate can

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I block, you know I. 
Know I know the exact one. 

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Can I jump in there? 
He's I'm just cleaning my Yeah, 

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I know. 
But I've got about, I've got 3 

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minutes of my best work here and
I've got 4 minutes until I've 

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got to be running. 
And how long are you going to be

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done in 60 seconds? 
Toilet mats and he's got a job 

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to. 
Do and he's got a job to do and 

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I've got to be respectful of 
that. 

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But to Taylor near A to perform 
like you did to go on to win the

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race with tip back cap B to 
complete the run in the state 

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you're in, another tip of the 
cap. 

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But to have the composure to 
speak to that cameraman with 

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such frankness, but politeness 
as well, like it was, it was a 

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really pleasant conversation she
had about please not filming the

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bottom half. 
Yep, because she'd shit herself.

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Paula Radcliffe was the one who 
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just. 
Just yeah. 

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Mid race. 
I mean, it's, it happens. 

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Yeah, it happens. 
And the ones who were tough and 

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deal with it just keep going, I 
suppose. 

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Just let's hope it's not one of 
us. 

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It's an occupational hazard. 
Footballers don't know how good 

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they got it. 
You've never seen a footballer 

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have to deal with that. 
No. 

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'Cause they just go and sub 
themselves off, disappear into 

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the bar and come back clean. 
Come back on SO. 

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What's your what's your what? 
What do you mean up to mate I? 

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Haven't shipped myself this week
mate. 

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I'm actually feeling really good
running wise. 

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My kilometres are starting to 
clock back up. 

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I think the last last week I've 
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that curve is starting to my 
weekly case are starting to 

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climb up a bit. 
I've been sticking with that 

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kind of slower, longer runs, but
there was an event Courtney I 

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raced. 
You raced you. 

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And I know you wanna hear about 
this. 

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I do wanna hear about this. 
I raced last last Friday. 

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I. 
Didn't know it was on but I did 

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see it on Instagram and I 
thought that was one of those. 

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We talked about the Cut event on
the Gold Coast a little while 

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back and this is another event I
was keen to get involved with. 

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However, I ended up in Sydney. 
Again, of all places, we'll talk

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about your week in a SEC, but 
and we gotta give a shout out to

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Steve Jackson, who's the man 
behind both The Cut and this 

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event, trail trips and events, I
think is. 

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Also runs the Coastal High 50 
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the the best trail races in 
Australia for scenery. 

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So he's, he's doing, he 
obviously knows how to run a 

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race. 
And this I got a message from 

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one of the blokes in my run 
group saying, Hey, can you make 

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Broadwater Parklands this 
Friday? 

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There's this 5K relay event 
going on. 

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I went short, no worries. 
I got there. 

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The race had already started. 
I was coming from work, but I 

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said just might be the last 
runner. 

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It's fine. 
Essentially what it is, it's a 4

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by 5 kilometre relay. 
So you're in teams of four and 

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there's all different 
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female, juniors, whatever. 
And it's it's, it is what it is.

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It's a 5K relay really. 
It was an interesting course 

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because there was running on on 
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sections as well. 
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Gold Coast Marathon finishes 
right for anybody that's running

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a golden. 
Marathon you, you're up 

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basically up there at the 
Broadwater Parklands. 

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And what I loved about it, my 
big take away was running is for

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everybody. 
It, this is a GRE, this was a 

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great advertisement for where 
running is at because you had 

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elite blokes, the elite teams, 
men and women, and you had 

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people dropping, you know, 16 
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And I think probably the 
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16 minute 5K efforts. 
So there's proper runners up at 

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this thing. 
And then you had people plodding

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around at 35 minute, right? 
But because what it is, it's a 

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single, you were doing 2 loop. 
It was a 2 1/2 K course. 

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You were doing 2 loops of it, 
but everyone's just rolling 

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through, so it's not like it. 
The V8 Supercars where 

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everybody's always on the same 
lap. 

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You had people, you might have 
had a 7 minute per K runner 

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being just at a sub 4 minute K 
runner just flying past them. 

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And you ran through the crowd. 
There was a bit of I saw. 

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A bit of a crowd. 
There was a finish, there was a 

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finish point at the aquatic 
centre there. 

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And so there was a bit of 
corridor and there was always a 

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bit of an atmosphere. 
And because it's a loop and the 

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the far points of the course 
weren't exactly populated, but 

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you always you had points you 
were running to. 

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And there was a crowd and there 
was support and there was 

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enthusiasm and there was music 
and it was just, it was a really

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great vibe. 
And you went out there, you 

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committed to five KSI think I 
just tipped under 20, so I did. 

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About that what? 
Was it? 

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I did about a 19. 
I say about I did a 1950. 

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And and how's that go on your 
your best time? 

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Nah, off. 
I've probably about a minute off

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my best time. 
What? 

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Is your best 5I? 
Think I've gone under 19 once, 

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right? 
And that was in AI? 

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What? 
That was in a triathlon where 

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they measure it a bit short. 
Look at me pretending like I 

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don't know when and where 
exactly what it was. 

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That's what I do. 
So that's what it was. 

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The ASICS, Remember, ASICS did 
the World Eccadon Relay 

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Challenge about. 
You might have been 

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participating in it because 
you've not involved with ASICS, 

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but ASICS had a World Eccadon 
relay where it was basically 

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similar sort of thing, and you 
ran it as a relay, but you could

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run your segment whenever. 
And I had a pair of metaspeeds 

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that I'd never used. 
Before this is virtual, you can 

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just run out and. 
Yeah, you could go and run your.

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I think there was like a 235K 
legs, 3 seven and a half K legs,

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right? 
But anytime of day you just go 

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whatever. 
You want you go out and run and 

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record your your relay time 
whenever you. 

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Want jump on a bike? 
Oh jump in a car. 

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You probably could but but I 
remember I went into Centennial 

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Park in Sydney and found a 5K 
loop that was predominantly flat

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if not a little bit downhill for
most of the way and I went under

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19 minutes that one time. 
So I did like an 1852 or 

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something, but so last Friday 
for this race, I did just under 

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20 minutes, which I was happy 
with. 

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Mad headwind. 
You started your first K, you 

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were running with a tailwind. 
So you everybody just went out 

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way too fast. 
And then when you turned around 

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and tried to run back up, you 
were just straight into this 

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headwind. 
But awesome, great event. 

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Atmosphere was unbelievable. 
And you kind of, you always felt

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like you were kind of either 
chasing someone or being chased 

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because of the nature of the 
setup. 

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And yeah, it's I could not 
recommend it enough. the IT was 

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run the world relay is what it's
called. 

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OK. 
You know what I think about real

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like community relay events and 
getting, you know, the idea of 

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making running more than just 
the individual run. 

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So I've watched this with Steve 
putting it on for a few years 

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and I absolutely love the idea. 
Yeah, it's great. 

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It's we should, we should do 
next time one of these is on, 

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let's let's put together the 
relay time and it's I was 

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thinking about it afterwards. 
It's a great way it we have so 

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many, everyone has mates that 
they challenge like they throw a

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challenge. 
Like golf course is a really 

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easy thing to challenge. 
You go out and play tennis 

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against your mates, all this 
sort of stuff. 

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This would be such an easy way 
to go. 

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Hey, you're 4 versus my 4. 
Let's go it. 

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And and you know, you put 
bragging rights on the lines. 

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There's great atmosphere and 
it's, you know, over the course 

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of probably an hour and a half, 
you're just there. 

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Keeping tabs on where your mates
are all travelling and all the 

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rest of that and the times and 
great atmosphere. 

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OK. 
So next year we need a bit of 

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bit of notice, not not not the 
week after. 

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Next year, yeah, not the week 
after, no good to you this year,

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but but yeah, so I did that and 
I've been sort of just ticking 

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along. 
I had another run in the Salomon

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Spectres and and enjoyed them a 
bit more on the second run. 

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OK, found them. 
Can see how I I actually feel 

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like when I want to crack that 
40 minute 10K when I'm ready to 

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have a crack. 
I think they'll they're the 

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shoes I'll probably wear. 
But what What did you wear in 

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the 5K relay? 
Well, the Adidas, the Boston, 

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the Bostons, yeah. 
Can't get you out of the Bostons

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I know I really like. 
Oh, I didn't tell you this. 

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Here's one for. 
Here's one for you new runners 

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out there. 
The most you You can talk about 

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gear, you can talk about 
nutrition, you can talk about 

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training, you can talk about 
strength training, you can talk 

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about prep. 
The most simple, fundamental 

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thing you should do before every
run is double check that your 

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laces are tied up. 
Because I started my leg of the 

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relay within 20 metres while she
was under and I ran the whole 

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thing with it. 
Dun Dun. 

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It's very amateur. 
It was so amateur. 

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I was so disappointed in myself.
I thought you were going to say 

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go to the toilet. 
First things first, I. 

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Didn't shit myself. 
How's your week going? 

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It's been good I. 
In full transparency, it was the

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first week I have had a bit of 
soreness where back around my 

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calf. 
Oh, OK. 

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Yeah. 
So which I mean, I've been 

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pretty aggressive. 
Yeah, your pays have been going.

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Up, Yeah. 
I mean, I mean, you know, pretty

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much an 8090, ninety 9000. 
So I didn't run on Sunday. 

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I took a day off and the last 
two days I've been back running.

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It's been fine. 
So I think it was just the fact 

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that, you know, it got through a
fair bit. 

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Well, last Thursday I did. 
I did a threshold session back 

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down with the Gold Coast Runco 
mob around Peasy Park and the 

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week before we'd run 28 minute 
kind of threatening, you know, 

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tempo thresholds. 
At the moment I'm trying to hold

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my heart rate around the 153 
beats to get consistent and then

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know if I'm improving or not. 
And the week before I was 

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struggling to hold like 320 pace
at that. 

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This week we did a 20 minute 
solid effort in one hit and held

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the three 20s at. 
Around 150, around 150. 

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OK, so the the fitness is 
improving. 

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Definitely improving, but like I
said, then I ran against 

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Saturday along hilly kind of 
fart like loop out in the forest

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17K and I pulled up a little bit
like OK, I know I've done 4 

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weeks worth of work. 
Let's just make sure we recover 

449
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,120
the next few weeks. 
I'm I'm travelling a little bit 

450
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080
around work and a few other 
things. 

451
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,600
So there'll be a little bit of 
hit and miss here. 

452
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,120
So it'll be probably a good 
period to to rest a little bit, 

453
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,840
but definitely getting some 
improvements. 

454
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,600
Just on that you, you mentioned 
that four week block and there's

455
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,200
probably some people who are at 
their amateur level of running 

456
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,240
or might be preparing for or 
looking to improve. 

457
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,920
And that idea of working a four 
week block of increasing case or

458
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,320
solid case and then having a a 
lesser week. 

459
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,720
Is that like? 
Does that work for you? 

460
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,800
It's probably a good rule of 
thumb and it's probably a good 

461
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,560
thing to do and, and plan if you
had a coach. 

462
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,360
I'm I'm like a decent coach, I'm
sure they're going to plan into 

463
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,880
that. 
I hadn't planned it because I 

464
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,480
was, you know, I'm just kind of 
going by a bit of feel and and 

465
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,520
working my way through this. 
But in hindsight, it's like it's

466
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,280
probably just work that way. 
I probably needed a little bit 

467
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,640
of downtime and this week will 
be a little bit of that. 

468
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,480
This morning I ran fart like 
down at kind of my more speed 

469
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,440
session this morning and like it
was I was fine. 

470
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,040
I ran well, happy with how 
things are going, but I also 

471
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,560
just consciously backed off just
a just a little bit knowing that

472
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,960
I won't run tomorrow because of 
because you've got a really nice

473
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,000
early morning flight down to 
Sydney, which is going to stop 

474
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,320
me running, which I'm not too 
happy about. 

475
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,120
But what I did do today is I ran
in the Adidas Terex. 

476
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,880
Now they're called Aggrove. 
I can't even pronounce that. 

477
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000
I don't know why shoe companies 
make their their names so 

478
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,680
complicated. 
If I, if I go, if I was a shoe 

479
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,080
company, if I was a shoe company
and I want to sell a shoe, I 

480
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,560
want to call it the most simple 
shoe that you're going to 

481
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,440
remember. 
Yeah. 

482
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,640
And you want to wear my shoe? 
Yeah, that's simple. 

483
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,360
Can I've I've got that on the 
notes in front of you can. 

484
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,120
You read that Terex Aggravic 
Speed Ultra. 

485
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,960
Do you reckon it's aggravic? 
Aggravic, OK. 

486
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,880
Aggravic, No, it'd be aggravic, 
but it's not aggravic. 

487
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,000
It's Speed Ultra. 
It's. 

488
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,880
All companies, every company do 
this. 

489
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,200
Make the shoes so complicated to
remember what it is. 

490
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,200
I mean, I love the idea of just 
having a consistent shoe name 

491
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,880
that's really simple. 
And then version 123456 so you 

492
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,000
know exactly where you are, what
it is, and what its purpose is. 

493
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,200
Can I give you an example of a 
shoe that does that well? 

494
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Air Jordans. 
Air Jordans, Jordan ones, Jordan

495
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,160
twos, Jordan threes, Jordan 
fours. 

496
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,160
Air Force. 
Air Force. 

497
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,120
I mean, Nike, Nike do it with 
their running shoes pretty good 

498
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,280
as well. 
Like you'll get your Veneros or 

499
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,840
your Pegasus and, and Invincible
and they're up to #3 I think. 

500
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880
I'm sure other, other brands do 
it. 

501
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,320
I mean, I mean version 2 of a 
lot of Solomon shoes at the 

502
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,840
moment that I've got. 
I I agree with you though, that 

503
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,600
is, that is if you are sitting 
there. 

504
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,360
I mean, branding is meant to be 
memorable, right? 

505
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Easy to remember, easy to 
recall, and the Adidas Terex 

506
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,320
Aggravic Speed Ultra is not an 
easy shoe name to remember. 

507
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,960
It isn't. 
And if I went out to my shoe 

508
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,680
rack at the moment and there's 
12 pairs of shoes sitting there 

509
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,200
that I may, may not cycle 
through. 

510
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Yeah, When you ask me what are 
the three pairs I'm wearing at 

511
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920
the moment, even in my Salomon 
range, which I know really well,

512
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320
I get mixed up a little bit. 
Like I'm, is it the Ultra Glide 

513
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Max? 
Is it the Ultra Glide or have 

514
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,200
they changed the name? 
Like yeah, it's a challenge. 

515
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Anyway, we spent too much time 
on there. 

516
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,880
I did wear these. 
So how'd how'd you go? 

517
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,480
I made my Brett from Sydney who 
gave them to me. 

518
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320
I didn't want to put too many KS
on and I thought perfect way to 

519
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,880
trial. 
It is up at the Spit, so it's 

520
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,200
trail, but it's kind of like 
clay cinder, a bit hilly, but 

521
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,280
it's not technical. 
I also don't want to knock my 

522
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,440
ankle because these are pretty 
build up shoes with the rubber. 

523
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280
They were good, but not amazing,
right? 

524
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,200
And actually that's probably, 
that's not a nice way to say not

525
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,600
amazing. 
I was expecting amaze. 

526
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,320
I was expecting everyone's 
talking about plated marathon 

527
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,240
shoes. 
So this is a. 

528
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,800
This is a plated. 
This was their This is their 

529
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840
trail Speed trail shoe. 
Right. 

530
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,520
OK. 
So for yeah and just to to walk 

531
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,640
it down for the the. 
Sounds more I'm doing an ad on 

532
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,400
this and and by no means I'm 
not, but I like I said, I like 

533
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,360
trialling other shoes because 
I'll go back in my Solomon now, 

534
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280
yeah. 
And which don't have a plate. 

535
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240
I have trail shoes that have a 
plate in some of my Solomon 

536
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240
shoes. 
OK, the ones I'm running in at 

537
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,600
the moment don't because we 
talked a lot about I like the 

538
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,360
contact feel of the ground and 
depending on, you know, going 

539
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,160
out training, I'm not looking 
for a plate, but I love to know 

540
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280
I've got a comparison. 
I now know what some of the 

541
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,200
other brands are doing and what 
they feel like. 

542
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,080
So this is their this is their 
speed shoe they had and it does 

543
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720
feel like a it's got a really 
aggressive rocker. 

544
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,520
So front to back, like a bit of 
a concave and you do feel that 

545
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320
running in it. 
It feels like a road shoe with a

546
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,520
bit of light trail grip. 
But I can tell you to cut the 

547
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,200
whole conversation really short,
it was great running up there in

548
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,280
it. 
It was comfortable. 

549
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,480
They're harder than the soft 
rubbers. 

550
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,520
It's a harder shoe than the soft
rubbers out there. 

551
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,640
But I won't go and run it on the
technical trail. 

552
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960
I will not go and run on a in a 
technical trail. 

553
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,200
Reason is twice this morning 
just went over my ankle slightly

554
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,840
in this shoe. 
This and for I find for me and 

555
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,520
for people when I talk to them, 
people less experienced at 

556
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,680
running than me, the easiest way
to explain the benefit of that 

557
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,920
carbon plate. 
If you don't understand, if you 

558
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,280
hear that, if you're hearing 
listening to us talking and 

559
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,720
you're going what are you 
talking about in a plate you're 

560
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,240
just running in a foamy shoe. 
The idea of a kangaroo, right 

561
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,680
when you see a kangaroo hopping,
jumping through the Bush, moving

562
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,600
forward, the way their foot 
works is by they never kind of 

563
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,880
plant with their heel, It's 
always springing forward. 

564
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,400
It's a. 
Spring. 

565
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,520
It's an energy. 
Return, and that's what this 

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,240
plate technology essentially 
does in your shoes. 

567
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,080
So on a road run or a marathon 
or a 10K or a 5K, if you're on 

568
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,840
the road, that energy return is 
really valuable because it's 

569
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840
unlikely that there's 
unevenness, right? 

570
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,080
It's just on pavement or the 
road. 

571
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,520
And so we're clear in this 
particular shoe, it's not a full

572
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,200
plate. 
They call them rods. 

573
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240
And I don't know enough about 
their Rd shoe to know if their 

574
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,640
plate is rods. 
OK. 

575
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,320
But there's a stiffening through
it, which in effect is a similar

576
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,160
idea to a plate. 
But however it was what I kind 

577
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
of expected to feel. 
But I, I, I'm not even going to 

578
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,000
go and try running in it easy in
the ring because I'm too afraid 

579
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,400
that I'll do my ankle again. 
But that's. 

580
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Simple enough for people to 
comprehend though, because the 

581
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,680
idea if you're moving in a 
straight line, that technology 

582
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,960
that helps you move forward and 
spring forward with return every

583
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,680
time you plant your foot is 
great. 

584
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,760
But if you're out on a trail or 
an undulating thing, that might 

585
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200
still help you go forward, but 
the unevenness you might 

586
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,880
encounter on the trail, that I 
don't think that's overly 

587
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,120
useful. 
Do you know what? 

588
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,000
I'd rather no. 
I actually disagree. 

589
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,280
No, I I find the the energy 
return and a plate on a trail in

590
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,640
the right way can be useful and 
you can feel it good. 

591
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Where where this shoe worries me
if I was to go technical in it 

592
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,360
yeah, is how high it's the stack
height of and how high the 

593
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,480
rubber's built up. 
OK, I've run in a I've I've 

594
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,560
trialled another shoe which was 
the Nike's a gamma and I had a 

595
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,560
similar, a similar again 
described it. 

596
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,200
I had a similar experience where
it's very aggressively sharp. 

597
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,160
How to explain this in audio? 
Instead of having a like the 

598
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,120
fall off from the from the top 
to the bottom of the rubber is 

599
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000
vertical. 
So if you go slightly over, 

600
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
you're going to collapse over 
that whole 4 centimetres of 

601
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,800
rubber or whatever it is. 
Yeah, fought me off to. 

602
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,880
Exaggerate. 
It's like, you know, being in a 

603
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,240
pair of high heels when you see 
your mum in a pair of high heels

604
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,920
as opposed to when she's in a 
flat I. 

605
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Love that you've got. 
You can explain what I can't 

606
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520
explain, Liam. 
It's all up here in my head and 

607
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,840
that's exactly what it is. 
So anyway, we've got really. 

608
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Deep in. 
We've got deep into a run shoe 

609
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
which I didn't want to get into 
OK, but I'm glad I tried it. 

610
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,280
And then again, take them to 
Sydney tomorrow and give them 

611
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,320
back because they're gone. 
But. 

612
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Yeah, can on that, on that shoe 
point, interestingly, I had a 

613
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,080
conversation with someone I 
worked with the other day. 

614
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,720
She is a, she runs like she, I 
think she set herself the goal 

615
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520
of running 350 KS total this 
year. 

616
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,880
That's where her running's at. 
And she does park run every 

617
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
weekend with her husband and 
she's part of the run group that

618
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,680
I started in my office. 
Well, and she bought herself a 

619
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,080
pair of Nike Alpha flies. 
Is it Alpha flies? 

620
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Our vapour flies. 
Well the Vapour are the more the

621
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480
10K shoe and the Alpha's more 
the the thicker marathon shoe 

622
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,120
with the double. 
The then what's like the what's 

623
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
the white one with the blue 
tick? 

624
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Nike. 
Yeah, but it's the Nike. 

625
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Anyway, she I think it's the I 
think she bought Vapour flies, 

626
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,760
right? 
I think she bought a pair of 

627
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Vapour. 
OK, She's worn them twice. 

628
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
She wore them for the second 
time on the weekend in a 5K in a

629
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920
park run. 
She had to take them off. 

630
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,880
She finished, she finished the 
run in in socks because she's 

631
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,720
getting the blisters on her 
arches. 

632
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,800
I just she can't deal with them 
right And I and she's going to 

633
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360
try and take them back to Rebel 
Sport where she bought them 

634
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,960
from. 
I don't know whether she'll be 

635
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,840
able to or not, but we just had 
a conversation about the idea of

636
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,080
and it comes back to what you 
and I've talked about on here 

637
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,120
before. 
Go and try shoes on. 

638
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Go and try as many as you can on
or as many as you need to to 

639
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,360
find the ones that suit you. 
Nike Alpha Flies or Vapour 

640
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,160
Flies, whatever they are, are an
awesome shoe if they work for 

641
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,040
you. 
Yeah, the hotspots are the hot, 

642
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720
I'll call them a hotspot on 
their foot and that can be 4 

643
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,160
foot, it can be under your arch,
it can be on the heel, it can be

644
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,680
even, you know, the back when 
you actually get rubbing on the 

645
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Achilles. 
It's a hard one to know until 

646
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,400
you've done some case in a shoe.
So you can try a shoe on. 

647
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,520
It can feel great. 
You can go down the road, run 8K

648
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240
in it and for some reason your 
foot shape and your size and you

649
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,480
just get a hotspot. 
That happens all the time and it

650
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,080
happens across all the brands. 
Yeah. 

651
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,920
I don't know. 
I really don't know how you get 

652
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,200
around that. 
Sometimes. 

653
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,080
It's just going to be a bit of 
dumb luck. 

654
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,360
Hopefully. 
Hopefully you've got them clean 

655
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,440
enough, you can take them back, 
but that's probably not going to

656
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,000
be the case. 
I think someone gets a really 

657
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
nice gift in that case. 
That's what happens around here.

658
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
So yeah, I mean that that 
happens with shoes. 

659
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,520
But So what else did I get up to
Sydney when it's down in Sydney 

660
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,880
on Friday? 
And so anyone who knows a little

661
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
the Interstate commutes and for 
their work. 

662
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,719
I don't know what it what, how 
hard is it to have flights on 

663
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:18,400
time Friday night? 
I don't think it it it is 

664
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,800
possible to get a flight out of 
Sydney on time on a Friday 

665
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,840
night. 
I don't think it's ever happened

666
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920
and I don't it doesn't matter 
where you're flying, Virgin, 

667
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,679
Qantas, just start it just it 
doesn't happen. 

668
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,280
And I'm nearly at the point 
where I'm going to start booking

669
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,440
2 hours in advance on a flight I
know I can't make because I 

670
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,400
think it's going to be delayed 
and take that chance it is. 

671
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,679
It's doing my head in at the 
moment both ways. 

672
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Thursday night I flew down late 
and came back Friday night and 

673
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,080
both times were late nights so. 
You'll be alright mate. 

674
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,560
It's OK. 
First world problems. 

675
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,320
The problem is we don't have an 
alternative. 

676
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,200
They've got us by the they've 
got us by the short and Curly's,

677
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000
the airlines. 
Well, but the I mean even with 

678
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,680
the Rex not doing as much as it 
used to, now it's we are there, 

679
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:07,920
we don't really have an option 
it. 

680
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,960
Yeah. 
So that's that's and it's I've 

681
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520
got a figure to travel back and 
forth in the next few weeks. 

682
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,520
So dry your eyes. 
Mate, really looking, really 

683
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600
looking forward to that. 
But what I was down there for 

684
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
was a fitness conference. 
I was speaking at a fitness 

685
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,240
conference and like a gym chain.
And what got me was, you know, 

686
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,480
when you go into a trade show, 
so like if you walked into the 

687
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Expo at Gold Coast Marathon or 
Noosa and everything, they've 

688
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,880
got all the different brands 
around and everything else. 

689
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,360
I'm obviously down there and I'm
I'm representing Red Bull, so an

690
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,720
energy drink and now everything 
about it. 

691
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
What got me this time was I was 
at the pre work. 

692
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,440
So this is gyms. 
So you're you're lifting and 

693
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960
you're the high rocks and that 
style of gym. 

694
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,720
What got me was the pre workouts
and how wild they are. 

695
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,360
I've never used this, have you? 
So I've got a bit of show and. 

696
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Tell for you, I've never used 
pre workout. 

697
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,160
So, you know, to put it into 
perspective, I suppose energy 

698
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,440
drinks in a way a pre workout 
because pre workouts are just 

699
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,840
heavily, heavily caffeinated 
products, right? 

700
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,680
They'll have some 
supplementation in them, you 

701
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,240
know, amino acids, branch 
enemies or whatever it is to 

702
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,600
help pipe you up. 
But in the end, it's the 

703
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,080
caffeine that's doing the real, 
it's a stimulant. 

704
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,680
So it's doing the real heavy 
lifting. 

705
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,360
So if you take a, I've got the 
fridge next year over there. 

706
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000
If you looked at the 250 mil Red
Bull, which is a smaller Red 

707
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Bull, it's got about 80 
milligrammes of caffeine in it 

708
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,680
or no, not about it has 80 
milligrammes of caffeine. 

709
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,960
So to put that into perspective,
most people know espresso pods 

710
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,520
now. 
Yeah, yeah. 

711
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680
So if you're at home and you've 
got an espresso pod, they'll 

712
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,640
have somewhere between 70 and 90
milligrammes. 

713
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,160
OK, so it's it's. 
Like a standard. 

714
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Coffee. 
It's like a one shot flat white 

715
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,560
from your local cafe. 100% OK 
this is a product which is a pre

716
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,840
workout called buckshot coming 
out of the states. 

717
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
I love it look. 
Looks like a 12 gauge shortcake.

718
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,640
Cartridge. 
Check I'll, I'll put a picture 

719
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120
of this up on Instagram. 
It's, it's a classic. 

720
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:09,440
I just love the idea. 
Buckshot 200 milligrammes of 

721
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
caffeine in that little. 
So that's like. 

722
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
That's like a triple. 
It's a yeah, it's a triple. 

723
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,360
So, but is that is that powder, 
is it? 

724
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,440
A tablet that's a liquid it's 
like a like a syrup in that then

725
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,880
to put that into like So what 
what what do you I mean it is a 

726
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
12 gauge shortcut it's. 
It's it's looks like, yeah, 

727
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,320
it's, it's a shotgun case. 
You can imagine in all those 

728
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,880
action films when they pull out 
that shotgun and they cock it 

729
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,560
and reload and you see the shell
casing flyer, That's what that 

730
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,480
looks. 
Like that's what it is. 

731
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,360
So 200 milligrammes of caffeine 
in that. 

732
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,560
So it is a bit of fluid. 
But then the next step up that 

733
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,760
got me and I I suppose I haven't
been around gyms and, and that 

734
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,800
area enough, but the next one is
a little packet and it's 

735
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,160
literally powder and read that 
for me. 

736
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Yeah, woke AF, woke AF, Yeah, 
with a, with a, a deer head and 

737
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,440
the big antlers in the colours 
of the American flag. 

738
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,360
Yeah, So same same buckshot but 
woke woke AF woke warning high 

739
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,160
stimulant again in literally I 
mean. 

740
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,200
I get a feeling the sales in 
that since Trump won is probably

741
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,720
going up. 
I think they're doing all right,

742
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,320
but what's the what's the candy 
the fizz called? 

743
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,760
Wizz Fizz, Wizz Fizz We're. 
Looking at a wizz. 

744
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Fizz, that's what, yeah. 
But it's warning high stimulant 

745
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,720
200 milligrammes of caffeine in 
that too and. 

746
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,520
So what are you meant to mix 
that one with? 

747
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Water? 
Is that how it's designed or you

748
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,720
just this one says? 
Mix in a litre of water. 

749
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,600
OK, a litre of water. 1041 
millilitres of water so jeez. 

750
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,600
OK my mass is on that one. 
Yep mate, learning something 

751
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,120
every day. 
Here I am at a fitness 

752
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,360
conference and there there are a
few things that I was just like 

753
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,040
wow. 
So. 

754
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,560
People are going, if you're, if 
you're going to the gym taking 

755
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,040
some of this stuff and you're 
just the average, you know, 

756
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,560
person walking in and going, 
I'll take some of this on. 

757
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,600
And that's without all the 
additional additional 

758
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,200
supplementation in there as 
well. 

759
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,720
What has this one got in there? 
Bet Alanine. 

760
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,720
I'm gonna make. 
Alpha GP Yeah, I don't some. 

761
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,400
Stuff in there I don't see like 
and I and I'm the IQ I haven't I

762
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,520
haven't gone into a gym for the 
last time. 

763
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600
I regularly attended a gym. 
I was living in Sydney and a 

764
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,040
mate of mine who now has opened 
two very successful gyms. 

765
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,360
In fact there's people out there
who probably know the Verdis 

766
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,320
gyms in Bondi. 
He, he and my mate Rawson, he 

767
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440
and his business partner Hamish 
are absolutely killing it. 

768
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,880
They are leaning into that 
fitness obsession and image 

769
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,560
obsession nature of Bondi as a 
suburb and they are flying, 

770
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,680
they're doing a great job, they 
run a great business. 

771
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,400
It's the training centre of 
choice for any visiting footy 

772
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
player or you know, influencer. 
They all want to be seen down at

773
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,400
the gym. 
They've created that 

774
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,600
environment. 
They're doing a great job. 

775
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,040
But the last time I trained was 
before Rawson settled up those 

776
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,640
two gyms and he used to run us 
out of White City, the tennis 

777
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,680
centre in Paddington in Sydney. 
And it was kind of the circuit 

778
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,520
style stuff, right? 
It was a bit, not high Rocks but

779
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,760
sort of high Rocks meets 
CrossFit type stuff and we do it

780
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,200
with a bunch of the footy guys. 
But I haven't set foot in gyms 

781
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,960
like that since then and I've 
never, I think it was kind of 

782
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,080
just before or just as this 
whole pre workout industry 

783
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:36,360
started up or became mainstream.
So I've never embraced it and I 

784
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,880
don't think I need it. 
I don't, I don't. 

785
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,160
I just don't think we're 
probably in the in the circle. 

786
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,000
No that but we're not doing 
enough beach weights for pre 

787
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,160
workout. 
You and me, Corey. 

788
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200
I'm definitely not lifting heavy
enough to warrant any of this 

789
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,320
talking about. 
The last time you did a bicep 

790
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,560
girl? 
I'm doing some exercises with 

791
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,480
some like a kind of you got the 
laying on my back and you got 

792
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,120
the. 
Bright pink grandma weights 

793
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,280
though, no one just see them 
walking with them I I. 

794
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Just put some sand in my weights
and that and that's about all I 

795
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,120
need. 
Talking about high rocks, I'm 

796
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,760
actually going to catch up with 
Chris Wooley this weekend down 

797
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,520
in Byron. 
He's coming up to help out with 

798
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,200
some high rocks stuff for 
something I'm involved with so. 

799
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,480
If you're not familiar with the 
name Chris Wooley and and you 

800
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,320
might not be, this is a a bloke 
who I know through social 

801
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,000
circles back in Sydney and who 
is a fiery. 

802
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:30,000
And a gladiator. 
And well, Fiery turned basically

803
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,520
really fit guy who can compete 
in anything. 

804
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,040
He went on Gladiators. 
There was another, there was 

805
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,760
another, I think one of the 
other TV shows tried a 

806
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Gladiator. 
Oh no, tried a Ninja Warrior 

807
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,400
type TV show that he went on 
with some of his friends. 

808
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,160
He's been on Ninja Warriors. 
Well, I think he's just a really

809
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640
fit guy. 
And then High Rocks came along 

810
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,360
and it was just perfect for him 
because not only is he kind of 

811
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,840
that gym fit, that CrossFit fit,
but he's a great runner too. 

812
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,480
And now with the world of High 
Rocks, he's one of I mean, he 

813
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,440
finishes on the podium's most 
races, doesn't he? 

814
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,880
Oh, he's yeah. 
I mean, he's up there. 

815
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,800
I think he's next. 
He was telling me he's going for

816
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
the double S to get in the top 
15 in the world. 

817
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,760
So like, he's definitely up 
there. 

818
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,040
One of the best. 
I met him. 

819
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,240
The funny thing, the story of 
How I Met him, no idea who he 

820
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,440
was, but we were running a 
competition of who can run the 

821
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,960
most elevation in a month to win
a competition. 

822
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Did I tell this story? 
Maybe. 

823
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,200
No, not on here. 
Not. 

824
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,080
On here. 
So he he he was one of three in 

825
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,520
the lead at the end of the 
month, going to see how much 

826
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,320
elevation he could run in the 
month and this. 

827
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Was a Red Bull thing on Strava. 
It was, it was a Strava 

828
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,520
challenge, yes. 
And I, I can't remember how high

829
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,120
it was, but these guys were 
going nuts. 

830
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,480
Anyway, there was a little bit 
of like cat and mouse going on. 

831
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,720
He got to the last day and spent
13 hours climbing the steps that

832
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,360
I think could either Coogee or 
around that area. 

833
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,560
Yeah. 
And he just did steps for 13 

834
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,480
hours to get the elevation and 
he ended up missing it by like 

835
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,000
something silly like 200 metres 
or whatever. 

836
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,240
So in a, in a weird way, the 
prize for the first two took him

837
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,240
out for a run out in NT and he 
missed out. 

838
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,040
So I felt, I always felt this 
kind of like me to, to make it 

839
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,040
up to him. 
Let's catch up. 

840
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I'll take it out for breakfast. 

841
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,960
But he's a good dude. 
He's a, he's a good dude. 

842
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,560
So I'm gonna catch up with him 
this weekend. 

843
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,120
We'll have a chat hopefully. 
Going back on something we spoke

844
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,240
about on a previous episode, I 
have had tremendous support 

845
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,560
around the notion of the 100 KG 
category for the marathon. 

846
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Me, me too. 
I've had a lot of people come 

847
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,360
out and say I love this, I'm in 
on this or Yep, absolutely why? 

848
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Why doesn't this already exist? 
With that in mind, I need to 

849
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,800
give a shout out to Brendan 
Markham, who I don't know, but 

850
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,880
Brendan is a, a bloke who I've 
been told has lost 50 kilos on 

851
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,840
his running journey, right. 
And he still would still be in 

852
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,400
the the 100K category for more 
reports. 

853
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,200
But who started this year 
running a 28 minute park run And

854
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,760
last weekend just go and run a 
21 minute park run. 

855
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,080
He's dropped 7 minutes on his 
park run and he's still tipping 

856
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,120
the ski the kilos at a the 
scales at 100 kilos. 

857
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,160
But with that CLA classification
in mind, Clydesdales and Athenas

858
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,760
is what this category is called 
at Noosa. 

859
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,360
I want to throw some other names
at you. 

860
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,400
OK. 
The Kilo kings and Queens. 

861
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Mm hmm, keep going the heavies. 
I'm, I'm, I'm fine with that, 

862
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,720
but I I reckon we'd have a feel 
bit of the audience. 

863
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,760
But but again, it's you want to 
declare yourself this is not. 

864
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,280
I was thinking about it, 'cause 
I might. 

865
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,520
Some people will hear the 
heavies and think it's an 

866
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,000
insult. 
It's not. 

867
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,000
And that's the point we're 
trying to get across, is, you 

868
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,680
know, in boxing there's 
lightweight, there's 

869
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,920
strawweight, there's 
featherweight, there's 

870
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,000
middleweight, there's 
cruiserweight, there's 

871
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,200
heavyweight. 
It's just a classification. 

872
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,360
It doesn't judge you as a 
person, right? 

873
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,880
I like the heavies, personally. 
The Centurions is the other one.

874
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,040
I like the heavies too. 
I like the heavies I. 

875
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,920
Think we, I think in our 
petition we'll we'll struggle 

876
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,800
with that one, Sure. 
I think the Clydesdale as a 

877
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,120
precedent for that, yeah, we can
probably get away with it. 

878
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,680
I don't. 
But I'm I'm more than happy to 

879
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,040
help push the heavies when we 
go, when we go into bat for this

880
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:24,600
cat. 
You know what? 

881
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,960
I might. 
Do you know what we might do? 

882
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,760
Can we make that the poll this 
week? 

883
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,240
We can do that. 
On the I'll come up with a few 

884
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,360
more and we we'll put up a poll 
this week after this episode 

885
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,440
goes put up a. 
Poll what the new category? 

886
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Should the category, what the 
100K plus category should be 

887
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
called for marathons moving 
forward. 

888
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Perfect. 
I feel like we can own this 

889
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,200
movement. 
Courtney done. 

890
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,120
I really do done done, done. 
Yeah. 

891
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,680
Anyway, I just wanted to get 
back to that and share that Bo 

892
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,880
Jones as well, who is a a member
of. 

893
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,040
I think he's probably under that
category now. 

894
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,200
He competed in Kona this year as
a guest of Iron Man Australia. 

895
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,360
He runs a wonderful organisation
called Bottler about mental 

896
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,160
health, particularly in the 
triathlon space, and he is right

897
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,000
behind the idea of how good 
he'll be back up in the 100 KG 

898
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,840
kilo category soon. 
He's gonna, he's gonna eat a 

899
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,040
bit. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

900
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Well, he got, he got, he got 
Iron Man fit, OK, but he'll be 

901
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,280
back up there. 
So he's a big unit beginner, not

902
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,080
a bad guy, just a beginner, 
right? 

903
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,120
How did did your I've just 
forgotten the name, but your 

904
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,360
friend last week he was trying 
to run for the whole podcast 

905
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,920
did. 
Graham Snow, Snowy my and he did

906
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,800
not. 
Didn't get to the. 65 minutes, 

907
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,320
he's been struck. 
He's a bit like you actually. 

908
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,520
He's he has this sort of 
recurring Achilles soreness. 

909
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,320
Hey, don't, don't, don't, don't 
mention injuries well. 

910
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,520
No, I'm just saying that he took
a. 

911
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,040
Touch wood now he. 
Took a bit of. 

912
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,360
Time off. 
It's not like me. 

913
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,600
I'm fighting fit, he took. 
I'm fighting fit. 

914
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,360
We have this rule. 
You don't. 

915
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,920
It's like you do not talk about 
calves. 

916
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Really. 
Yeah. 

917
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,400
If you're running and you talk 
about a calf suddenly, then. 

918
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,880
OK, my mate did not finish the 
run. 

919
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,920
No. 
Can I throw something at you? 

920
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,800
Of course you can, Liam. 
UTA, this announcement they got.

921
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,480
I think they could. 
Jealous of Sydney Marathon 

922
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,200
getting their world starters? 
Status. 

923
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,600
So for those that don't know UTA
Ultra Trail Australia, it is the

924
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,040
IT is the pinnacle trail running
event in this country. 

925
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,640
I would say the UTA weekend in 
the Blue Mountains. 

926
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,800
They have a 22K race, a 50K 
race, and 100K race. 

927
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Yep, I'd agree. 
It's the one that new trail 

928
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,400
runners and it's the one that's 
known best in Australia. 

929
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,560
And today, literally the day of,
and I'd heard whispers about 

930
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,960
this for a little while, but 
today, the day of recording, it 

931
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,880
has been officially announced. 
I'm just bringing it up that 

932
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Hoka Ultra Trail Australia by 
UTMB elevates to UTMB World 

933
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,000
Series major status with a new 
100 mile race. 

934
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,560
So for 2025 you will be able to 
enter a 100 mile race, 160 

935
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,480
kilometre race in the Blue 
Mountains as part of the Ultra 

936
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,320
Trail Australia race series. 
Do we really need another race? 

937
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Do we really? 
What do you think? 

938
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:22,360
About this, I think they should 
pick a distance and have the 

939
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,720
best race at that distance. 
OK, I think EV, I think if I go 

940
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,160
to you how I like to look at 
races and I understand the the, 

941
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,040
the finances and I understand 
the participation notion of 

942
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,440
having multiple categories and 
events. 

943
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,600
But I want for me, I want to go 
to an event which I'm like, I go

944
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,120
to UTA and there's 100K race. 
UTA is 100K race and everyone 

945
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,680
who goes there runs the same 
race, the same thing. 

946
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,320
Just just like, you know, we've 
talked about categories, but 

947
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,080
just like that race, that 
triathlon, we won't mention or 

948
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,080
any triathlon for that. 
You go and there's a race like 

949
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,920
we talked about a few weeks a 
bit ago in the Olympics, just 

950
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,200
starting to add more and more 
and more and more. 

951
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,680
It just saturates to the point 
where who cares? 

952
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,320
And I, I don't mean that in a in
a bad way, but I want to 

953
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,360
celebrate something and I want 
it to be defined. 

954
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,400
I want to celebrate that that 
race. 

955
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,800
And I've got no problem of there
being another hundred hundred 

956
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,560
mile race. 
But to me, the kind of at that 

957
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,440
ultra trail race, it's always 
been the 100K that's been the 

958
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,600
that's been the golden event. 
Will this now take away from it 

959
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,880
that someone can run further? 
It's really interesting. 

960
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,880
I I hadn't thought about I 
think. 

961
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600
You get a belt back or there's 
something you get for completing

962
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
100 Ki. 
Think there's a buckle? 

963
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,800
Well, 100K at UTM. 
At UTA you get something and. 

964
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,400
I think the sorry you're right, 
the 100K is a. 

965
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Buckle. 
That's been the gold ribbon 

966
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,600
event. 
So oh, the blue ribbon event. 

967
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,920
Sorry. 
I think it's, I hadn't thought 

968
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,960
about it like that, but now that
you mention it, the notion of 

969
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:14,680
saying I'm going to this place 
and this place immediately 

970
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,320
infers everyone knows what you 
mean, right? 

971
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,640
Because now, like if you said 
you were going to, I'm, Oh yeah,

972
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,400
I'm racing UTA this year. 
You could run. 11K but everyone 

973
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,040
knows now that oh it used to be 
a case of oh what you doing the 

974
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,400
50 or the 100. 
Or the 11 or the 20. 

975
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,720
But now if if you said to 
somebody for 2025, are you 

976
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,720
racing UTA this year, you then 
say, oh, what distance are you 

977
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,400
doing? 
Because yeah, now there is five 

978
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,080
possible distances. 
People are going to disagree 

979
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,560
with me on this for sure, but I 
was just but but I'm going to 

980
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,080
take my myself when I've gone 
down to race UTA. 

981
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,400
I should be a 50K runner right? 
I'm not not set up to run the 

982
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,240
100, so that's fine. 
But in the years where I haven't

983
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,800
been quite there for the 50, I 
dropped back to the 22. 

984
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,960
Yeah, because I can be more 
competitive and I can go on 

985
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,840
podium, you know, and try and 
win the 22. 

986
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,080
But my, my gut feel is that 
should not exist. 

987
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,520
I should have to go. 
If I want to race, I should be 

988
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,760
going to the race and I have to 
race the 50. 

989
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,240
I will be really interested to 
see what the take up is of the 

990
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,800
100 mile race next year. 
I'll be fascinated. 

991
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,280
Well, the reason it's added 
right is to qualify to have 

992
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,320
another qualifying option for 
the UTMB in Germany, France. 

993
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,920
Which is, which is ultra trail 
Mont Blanc, which is the is the 

994
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,840
trail race is. 
The place. 

995
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,440
So that's the reasoning behind 
it and obviously it I think it's

996
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:46,000
saying it adds status to it. 
Yeah, but my argument is by 

997
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,800
adding the status you're 
actually diluting your event and

998
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,160
I'm going to leave it there. 
It's really interesting. 

999
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,880
It's a good take. 
No look, I, I, I will be I will 

1000
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,080
wait to see what the take up is 
on the 100 mile option for this 

1001
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,120
race. 
I would also be interested to 

1002
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,400
know what the. 
Course looks like. 

1003
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,240
Are you interested in running 
the 100 mile, Adam? 

1004
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,320
Look, I have an itch to scratch 
100 mile. 

1005
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,800
I have several itches to 
scratch. 

1006
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,320
I at some point I've told you 
about I I want to do an Iron 

1007
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Man. 
I also would love to, I would 

1008
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,960
love to do 100 mile race just to
experience it right. 

1009
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,320
I would. 
I'm in no way, shape or form 

1010
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,240
capable of doing it right now. 
Would you want to do this one 

1011
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:27,880
the UTA or would you? 
Pick No. 

1012
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,000
No. 
No, and not because it's not 

1013
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,600
appealing, but because I've done
the 50K race in the Blue 

1014
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,720
Mountains and I feel like the 
50K course gives you all the 

1015
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:43,480
highlights of that area. 
I don't feel like the 100K 

1016
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,200
course or the 100 mile course 
would take me to other parts 

1017
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,680
that to see something new, to 
see something new, right. 

1018
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,880
I think the 50K course is 
amazing. 

1019
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,560
You get to do the further stairs
at the end, you go down the 

1020
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,000
grand staircase, you get to run 
through the valley floor, you 

1021
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,080
get to, you know, run along 
these narrow single trail 

1022
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,760
sections as good far you get. 
It's a great run. 

1023
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,240
It's really challenging. 
The stairs in it are a nightmare

1024
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:09,520
and murderous on your quads, but
it's a great run and you get to 

1025
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,640
experience all these amazing 
parts of the Blue Mountains. 

1026
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,120
I don't know whether 50 more KS 
of that or 110 more KS of that. 

1027
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,120
I'm going to see anything 
necessarily new. 

1028
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,640
Yep. 
So if I was going to choose to 

1029
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,440
tackle the 100K or the 110K, I'd
be more inclined to chat to go 

1030
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,480
to Kosciusko because now, and 
I've been told by people that 

1031
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:40,160
run Kosi, it's not as exciting 
or picturesque run as the UTA 

1032
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,880
is. 
But I haven't done it and I 

1033
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,440
haven't run out there and I 
haven't seen it. 

1034
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,960
So if I was going to set myself 
100K. 

1035
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,440
It's a new experience. 
I'd go and do it because we 

1036
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,360
talked about this. 
It's about experience and I'd 

1037
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
rather find, or I'd rather find 
something over in New Zealand. 

1038
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,880
I just saw a reel of a couple of
the run influencers who went and

1039
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,880
did the Queenstown Marathon. 
That looked amazing, that looked

1040
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,560
beautiful. 
I'd rather go and find. 

1041
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,000
All right, well, if we're going 
to do 100K, let's find 100K over

1042
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
in New Zealand to target, 
because I've never run there and

1043
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:13,240
I'd love to see new stuff. 
Yeah, I've, I haven't raced the 

1044
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,520
snowy mountain one, but I've 
done a fair bit of stuff up 

1045
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,920
around, I suppose racing and 
just some exploring up around 

1046
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,120
the snowy mountains. 
And if you said to me Blue 

1047
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,480
Mountains, snowy mountains, I'd 
go for the snowy mountains every

1048
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,080
day. 
Yeah. 

1049
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,560
I mean that Alpine, there's 
something to me about that 

1050
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,520
Alpine nature of trail running 
to be up high and have that 

1051
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,880
vantage. 
I mean the the rainforest. 

1052
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,480
And maybe that's because we 
already live in an area that has

1053
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,280
very similar terrain to what the
Blue Mountains are up here on 

1054
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,640
the back of the Gold Coast. 
But I'm always going to take the

1055
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,320
more like Alpine version of 
running over. 

1056
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Because it's something new and 
different, really. 

1057
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,160
Maybe, but I also just think 
it's got that, you know, the 

1058
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,720
elevation. 
There's something about the 

1059
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,720
elevation and being up on top of
the world. 

1060
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,760
That's a nice, that's a nice 
thought. 

1061
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,600
Picture that in your minds as 
you're out on your run or 

1062
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,560
whenever you listen to this. 
We got a few more minutes 

1063
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,640
course. 
We do. 

1064
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,800
We do. 
I want to do an exercise with 

1065
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
you and everybody out there. 
Now, most people out there are 

1066
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,640
probably a part of a run club, a
run group, a run club, whatever 

1067
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,240
it is. 
I want you to try and I, I have 

1068
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,480
attempted to categorise run 
clubs. 

1069
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,600
OK, OK, I've put together these 
lists and they're 

1070
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,840
generalisations, sure, but as 
you're listening, try and decide

1071
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,520
whether this is your run club or
run group. 

1072
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560
OK, so I'm picking which one you
I'm going to join. 

1073
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,280
You stick your head. 
I'm going to choose which one 

1074
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,360
I'm joining. 
Which one you're joining, Or if 

1075
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,560
you want to be honest about it, 
which one you might already be a

1076
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,760
part of? 
OK right. 

1077
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,880
So Run Club 1 is what I'm 
calling the gratitude group. 

1078
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Every run starts with a 5 minute
chat about gratitude given by 

1079
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,440
the official leader of the 
group. 

1080
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,920
So there is an official leader 
who's always talking about 

1081
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,120
gratitude at the start. 
The group's free and there's 

1082
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,960
runners of every level. 
So you've got joggers, walkers 

1083
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,120
and you might have some really 
good runners in this group. 

1084
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,440
It could be anywhere from 20 to 
50 runners. 

1085
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,920
So it's a decent sized group 
show up at each session. 

1086
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Do I get a cuddle? 
Yeah, yeah, it's that sort of 

1087
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,520
group where cuddle is encouraged
and posts run. 

1088
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,080
You're going to sit down and 
you're going to breathe together

1089
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,040
as a group. 
OK, so that's, that's the 

1090
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,840
gratitude group, as I call it, 
right? 

1091
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,640
That's Group One, your sort of 
group. 

1092
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,040
I can definitely say not my. 
Group, not your group, no. 

1093
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,480
What about this group? 
This is what I call the pay to 

1094
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,800
play group, right? 
This is run club or run group 2.

1095
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,160
This is a run club that will 
definitely improve your running 

1096
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,280
and have you hitting pay base. 
So if you're looking to get 

1097
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,040
better. 
OK, this is exciting me a bit 

1098
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,280
more. 
Yeah, the the sessions are 

1099
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,120
planned by a coach with designed
outcomes. 

1100
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,640
So this is very much we are 
doing this because it will do 

1101
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:56,920
this. 
And they've been to running 

1102
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,320
school. 
And they've been to a running. 

1103
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,360
School. 
Exactly. 

1104
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Yeah. 
OK, You're gonna pay. 

1105
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,000
The session's gonna cost you 10 
bucks a hit. 

1106
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,560
That's cheap, right? 
So it's a it's a. 

1107
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,080
Well, it depends on. 
What's the run? 

1108
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,480
What's the going rate? 
For a run group, I've never paid

1109
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,560
for a run group. 
OK. 

1110
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,480
And then the other part of this 
run club is that when you turn 

1111
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,560
up to race at something like 
that 5K relay or at a city to 

1112
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,320
surf or something like that, 
there's a group to run. 

1113
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,720
You run as part of this group. 
So it's very much like a club. 

1114
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,680
It's a lesser group, more of a 
run club. 

1115
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,000
OK. 
That's what I call the pay to 

1116
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,480
play club. 
Yep, that that's got my 

1117
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,960
interest. 
Run club #3 or the run group 

1118
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,040
number 3 is the casual club. 
If it's raining or if it's cold 

1119
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,160
or if there's something big on 
the night before, this run 

1120
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,920
probably ain't happening. 
It says 5:00 AM start, but you 

1121
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,840
probably won't actually start 
running till sort of 5:15. 

1122
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Oh oh. 
There's red flags all over. 

1123
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,840
This when you when you do start 
running, it's always at a 

1124
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,120
conversational pace. 
That's all right. 

1125
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,480
And the post run coffee is the 
most important part. 

1126
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,600
So this is about as relaxed as a
run as a run club. 

1127
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,080
This is a popular run group at 
the moment popping up. 

1128
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Yeah, that's about and my guess 
is that's not your type of run, 

1129
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,280
run club. 
No, no, the last one I'm going 

1130
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,920
to call the the Graham Group. 
This is and I think you saw one 

1131
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,440
of these over in the States and 
there's probably quite a few of 

1132
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,800
these on the Gold Coast where we
are. 

1133
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,880
It's more disco than run club. 
It's shirts off, ABS out. 

1134
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Somebody is probably carrying a 
speaker. 

1135
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,920
They obviously, they obviously 
write this one. 

1136
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,840
The group leaders will be 
filming every second of every 

1137
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:43,600
run for an Insta reel and the 
merch matters as much as the run

1138
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,280
does. 
I don't think that's your run 

1139
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,920
club either. 
No, no, no. 

1140
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,200
I mean, I'm out of all of them. 
I'm pretty obvious. 

1141
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,440
You're in that pay. 
To play into pay to play, but we

1142
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,720
don't know how much you pay. 
But no, I'm going to pay. 

1143
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,360
But I I and that is. 
Look, I've I've bunched them for

1144
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,320
the which? 
Which one are you? 

1145
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,760
Which one? 
Which one do you see? 

1146
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,120
I'm probably somewhere between 
the casual club and the pay to 

1147
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,840
play because the reality is I'm 
finding more and more I'm 

1148
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,000
running on my own of light. 
And I don't thought not, not 

1149
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,600
because I want to run on my own,
but just because of life. 

1150
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,600
Life is causing me to. 
It's difficult for me to get to 

1151
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,240
the run clubs that I want to run
with. 

1152
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,680
And so I'm finding I'm having to
run by myself and because of my 

1153
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,640
work situation, which is it, 
I've got a bit more free time 

1154
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,480
during the day and less in the 
mornings and the evenings. 

1155
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,400
So I'm running at what we talked
about previously is pro hours, 

1156
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,080
yeah. 
Sometimes running on your own is

1157
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,520
is great. 
I mean you can listen to 

1158
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,600
something, think about things. 
But when I was in Sydney last 

1159
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,560
week I did catch up with a mate.
I used to live up here on the 

1160
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Gold Coast, Linden, and we went 
running out to Malabar from 

1161
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Coogee, just along the beaches. 
And that one reminded me just 

1162
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,800
how good it is to run with 
someone. 

1163
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,440
Like you can run an hour and it 
can seem like 5 minutes if 

1164
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,720
you've got the right person to 
run where. 

1165
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,640
Over the years I've kind of not,
not so much challenge, but where

1166
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,640
I don't like running is just 
running with someone for the 

1167
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,880
sake of running. 
If I'm running with someone, I 

1168
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,240
want them to be, you know, like 
us, we're sitting here and we 

1169
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,120
can we sit here and we, when we 
run, we could run for, you know,

1170
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,920
if we could run for three hours.
Or you could I. 

1171
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,080
I would. 
The conversation would slow up 

1172
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,120
from me significantly after the 
first half hour. 

1173
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,760
But we, we, we just run and chat
for as long as we could go, 

1174
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,160
right? 
So there's no real that that's 

1175
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,600
the idea of running with 
someone. 

1176
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,680
Yeah. 
For me, that's what you get out 

1177
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
of it is that you're not 
actually thinking about running.

1178
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,120
It becomes easy if you're, you 
know, coming back from injury or

1179
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,120
if you got sore, you just don't 
think about any of it because 

1180
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,680
you're just concentrating. 
Running a group, however, is the

1181
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,240
purpose for me to go to a group.
And this is my purpose is to 

1182
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,440
benefit from competition and 
being pushed and trying to get 

1183
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,680
more out of my running verse. 
Gotcha. 

1184
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,400
The SO I'll go more on the 
individual side if I want 

1185
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,320
company running and the group is
purely for me to get comp 

1186
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,560
competitive. 
That's I, I think we're almost 

1187
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,400
entering a because of the 
popularity of running these 

1188
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,240
days. 
Yeah, this is a term that a 

1189
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,440
bloke who's getting mentioned a 
bit because he's one of he runs 

1190
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,640
the running group that I 
sometimes get out to when I've 

1191
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,520
got when I can get my, you know 
what together. 

1192
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Eddie Gordon coined the phrase 
the other day after this 5K 

1193
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,720
relay. 
Hobby joggers and whether or not

1194
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,800
we need to, you know, running as
a term or runners as a 

1195
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,360
classification needs to be saved
for people that are, as you say,

1196
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,200
actively trying to improve their
running and whether everyone 

1197
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,960
else needs to be classified as a
hobby jogger. 

1198
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Yeah, You know, I, no, the one 
thing I'm for is I don't care 

1199
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,200
what you're doing, running, 
whether it's jogging, walking, 

1200
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,120
if you were out there and and 
I'm saying this, I'm not trying 

1201
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,880
to just, you know, sit on the 
fence here. 

1202
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,120
I I probably wouldn't have said 
this 10 years ago. 

1203
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,680
I probably would have been 
taking the piss. 

1204
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,880
But I really don't care anymore.
It's about if I see someone 

1205
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,720
running down the street and 
they're out running, good on 

1206
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,160
them. 
Like yeah, absolutely, 100% good

1207
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,880
on them. 
And can we call themselves a 

1208
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,680
runner? 
They can call themselves a 

1209
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,280
runner. 
A runner's a runner. 

1210
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,920
If you can run, you can run. 
We can all run, right? 

1211
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,400
In the end, we can all run. 
Just one more thing. 

1212
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,440
I had a story the other day 
around groups. 

1213
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,200
And if you turn up to a group or
you see a group, when you run 

1214
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,640
past and you see a group 
congregating, have a look at 

1215
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,280
their shoes to look at the group
and look at their shoes. 

1216
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,760
And I want to know can you tell 
what type of group it is by what

1217
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,680
shoes the majority are wearing? 
Alright, there's the. 

1218
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,880
Well, that's a challenge. 
There's the challenge. 

1219
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,240
The the reason it came out was 
there, there was A and I'm gonna

1220
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,600
put them in the more gratitude. 
Yeah. 

1221
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,000
I think what do we call it? 
Gratitude. 

1222
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,960
The gratitude, Right. 
There's nothing wrong with that,

1223
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,640
But I think you could, you'd be 
able to tell them because you'll

1224
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,240
pretty much see just white 
sneakers. 

1225
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,200
Ah, and maybe a couple of black 
pairs. 

1226
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,520
So it's kind of more that that 
gym. 

1227
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,560
They're probably not wearing 
your coloured shoes. 

1228
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,360
OK. 
It's nearly like a walking 

1229
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,000
slash. 
I'm just trying to think of the 

1230
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,240
New Balance shoe I'm thinking 
of. 

1231
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,560
It's like a New Balance, like 
big thick rubber. 

1232
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,920
Is it the endorphins or is that 
Sulconi? 

1233
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,480
I think that's Sulconi anyway. 
I know what you mean. 

1234
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,200
I know what you mean. 
Yeah. 

1235
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,560
Black or white shoes and. 
And that's where we but have 

1236
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,520
have a thing when you run past 
the run group, if you're 

1237
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,000
listening, I'm trying to next 
time you go past the run group, 

1238
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,400
have a look at the majority of 
shoes they're wearing. 

1239
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,600
And I think that will tell you a
lot about the run group. 

1240
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,520
So like if it was the pay to 
play group, yeah, I reckon 

1241
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,880
you're gonna find, you know, not
carbons, lot of carbons, 90% 

1242
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,360
maybe if it's switching shoes 
out within the session, you 

1243
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,200
know, there's there's gonna be a
type because it's the only 

1244
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,400
equipment you use when you run. 
Casual club, lot of Keanos? 

1245
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,680
Yep, a lot of a lot of. 
I was having a conversation with

1246
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,440
someone the other day about 
Keanos because that's what they 

1247
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,760
grew up as that when it was more
of the cross trainer shoe, less 

1248
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,280
of the running shoe. 
And I was showing them how these

1249
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,880
days the Kiano is more, they've 
transitioned it I think, into 

1250
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,120
away from being that everyday, 
play tennis in it, go to the gym

1251
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,360
and do everything. 
Now it is much more of a running

1252
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,880
shoe. 
I think that was also to do 

1253
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,000
with, you know, you had your 
specialist running shops, your 

1254
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,040
online shops and then you're 
kind of general sports stores 

1255
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,920
would always really heavily push
the Keanos. 

1256
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,040
Wow, that was. 
So weird, wasn't it? 

1257
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,720
Well. 
They got the kind of 

1258
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,640
podiatrists. 
Yeah, we. 

1259
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,080
Got the kind of condition to 
think it was the shoe to have. 

1260
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,280
The running shoe, they did a 
great marketing job all those 

1261
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,840
years and it's still obviously, 
you know, playing on a little 

1262
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,040
bit yeah, but so anyway, have a 
have a look at how I'm running. 

1263
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,560
But I'm running shoes in your 
clubs on that. 

1264
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,360
We're nearly pretty much done. 
But I've got one more thing 

1265
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,120
because we tried a bit of an 
Instagram Reel last week and we 

1266
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,120
had the other one on Strava 
users and kind of we, we've 

1267
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,960
joked a little bit about Strava,
you know, should you show all 

1268
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,080
your runs? 
What's the purpose of Strava? 

1269
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,720
Is it really a social media 
platform or is it a performance 

1270
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,840
platform? 
This is from Matt's Leon. 

1271
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,680
Leon, I think that's line, 
Matt's line. 

1272
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,360
But have a listen. 
This guy is pretty good. 

1273
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,400
You're running pace is too 
quick. 

1274
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,240
You deserve way more attention 
than you're getting. 

1275
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,480
And so from that moment on, I 
signed up for Strava. 

1276
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,400
My name is Dopamine, and I have 
no idea how people in the early 

1277
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,120
2000s did it. 
Imagine going out to exercise 

1278
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,600
and the only benefit you receive
is physical well being. 

1279
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,360
Going for a run is kind of like 
a tree falling in the woods. 

1280
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,680
If nobody's around to see it, 
did it really happen? 

1281
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,000
That's why even if I'm going to 
get mail at the end of the 

1282
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,280
driveway, it's going public. 
I want Kathy from the county to 

1283
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,320
think wow, movement down to a 
science. 

1284
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,120
Last week I had a new PR on a 
five mile segment, so I posted 

1285
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,000
the recording on my Instagram 
story with the caption light 

1286
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,080
work and a little double emoji. 
I want people to know that while

1287
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,520
it might seem like I'm a 
professional athlete already, my

1288
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,560
ceiling is up here. 
I had a bunch of buddies come 

1289
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,200
over last night to watch 
Oppenheimer. 

1290
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,080
When they walked in the door, I 
had a projector set up and we 

1291
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,720
spent the next 4 hours analysing
my mile splits. 

1292
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,440
A few of them left claiming they
wanted to watch a movie. 

1293
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,040
I gave them the wildest look and
I'm like, is my life not a 

1294
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,600
movie? 
Do. 

1295
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,680
You that's good. 
What annoyingly, what jumped out

1296
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,800
to me during that is I really 
enjoyed the, the, the driveway 

1297
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,320
PR thing, by the way. 
But at work during the week, we 

1298
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,120
have these monthly lunches or 
these, OK, every couple of 

1299
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,200
months, someone in the office, 
some team is responsible for 

1300
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,360
these lunches. 
And you theme it up and if it's 

1301
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320
Mexican food or something like 
that, or everyone wears 

1302
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,480
sombreros. 
And anyway, the team I'm a part 

1303
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,520
of was responsible for the most 
recent lunch. 

1304
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,560
And one of the things we've done
on the radio show was make this 

1305
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,600
democracy source, which I told 
you a bit about. 

1306
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,280
And we had some leftover. 
So we just did a big BBQ. 

1307
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,560
But the idea was it was an 
election theme because we still 

1308
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,760
had the democracy source. 
We had the BBQ going out and one

1309
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,520
of the people in our team had 
made up election posters for 

1310
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,520
candidate posters for everyone 
in the team. 

1311
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,280
And then, you know, so one of 
the blokes who's a massive 

1312
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:33,440
Broncos fans vote for Graham. 
We'll live stream every Broncos 

1313
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,960
game. 
Da, da, da, da, you know your 

1314
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:41,080
policies. 
And my poster was Liam running 

1315
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,120
for president will run for you, 
will run to the fridge. 

1316
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,480
In fact, we'll just run 
everywhere and tell you all 

1317
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,160
about. 
It tell you all about it. 

1318
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,520
That is my person. 
I am that guy in my office. 

1319
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,960
What? 
What was the middle one if a 

1320
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,520
tree falls in the forest? 
If you go for a run and you 

1321
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,520
don't post it on Strava did it 
really? 

1322
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:04,680
Happen that that is, but let's 
leave it on that night. 

1323
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,960
That is terrific. 
We challenge you if you're out 

1324
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,520
listening on this run, don't 
upload today's run. 

1325
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,200
See if you can go to sleep 
tonight. 

1326
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,080
See you next week.