In the beginning, episode 10, Courtney, they said we'd never
make it to double figures, but here we are 10 amps down.
How are you? I'm good, yeah, 10.
I mean, it's still early days, isn't it?
But. Very.
What's been going on, Tyson? Fight Oh, let's talk about Mike
Tyson, Jade Paul. 58 versus 27. I think that was the age gap.
This hurt me. It hurt me.
Why? Oh, it's just, you know, Father
Time does catch up, doesn't it? Undefeated.
It does. And I was.
I really thought if anyone can do it, a crazy cat like him can.
But no. Which, you know, as we slowly,
slowly tickle towards those ages, I'm like, better make the
most of it right now. I That is a great take away from
the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight. It's entertainment.
Like there's there's better entertainment out there.
There's worse entertainment out there.
This because of the characters involved.
Capture the imagine. I think it was 60 million people
around the world or something watching Netflix.
It's the perfect storm of entertainment culture influences
with streaming and all that sort of stuff.
Of course it's going to get this huge.
Number everything. Everything perfect Storm.
I do like the way they put it so encapsulated the older audience
who remembers like even older, older than us who remember Tyson
in his day to when we probably watched him at the end of his
career. And then you had like my son was
down the road with young mates who were, you know, 12 and 10,
you know, watching it because of J Paul.
Who started out as a Disney kid? Yep, so love him or hate him,
the the fact of the matter is he's they've brought in an
audience of every age. It's on Netflix.
They stop the nation. Yep or stop the world.
Very disappointing. In the end.
The women's fight was amazing. The female fight before him was
the Co main event was was proper serious boxing.
I know the young boys love the Dallas cheerleaders at the
beginning, but it's highlight. But it's noise, right?
It's what we talk a bit about influencing on this and around
the running space. Jake Paul is the definition of
someone who creates noise. And as a result, he gets to step
into the ring with one of the most famous boxes of all time,
even though he's at least 20 years past his prime or or a
capability age. It was an entertainment event.
It was entertaining.
I, I, if I'm honest, the spectacle of it was gone for me
after the first two rounds. Knowing that, I think, 'cause
what do they go? 6 rounds 8.
Rounds NO88. Twos 8 twos After the 1st 2,
when you could see that Mike wasn't gonna be throwing it was,
it became hard. To watch it was disappointing,
mate, it was disappointing but. To your point about age, Father
Time being undefeated, he the legs were gone.
That that was the thing I noted. And we know, I mean for PE
people that might not know road running is a huge part of a
boxer's workout regime. And because they need their
legs, Yep, their, their arms and their fists.
So what do all the damage? But the legs are so important in
that sport. And he didn't have any legs.
Yep, he didn't have any legs whatsoever.
Compared with Jake Paul, who has got power.
And he's 27. And he's 27.
He's of age. But compare that to, you know,
you know, on the weekends, I love watching UFC.
You compare it with the UFC 309 was on the Sunday and you talk
about an event with the best fighters.
So forget the influences. This is real.
And John Jones came back. Yeah.
I mean, this was like a crazy fight.
You you see Trump walk in as as a whole different range, whole
different atmosphere. Yeah, and it's a pinnacle, but
what I love about what the way they've done it is because
they're all under contract to the one organisation, the best
fight, the best, yeah. There's no hiding.
No, they get the best fights and it's week in, week out.
And the key, just like running, it's consistency.
Yeah, You just know, every Sunday I can go and lay in bed,
watch UFC. It's yeah, it's at a really
interesting point the UFC now because I felt like off the back
of Conor McGregor, it dipped popularity wise ever so
slightly. What dipped to the casual fan,
the diehard fans were still there.
But for your casual follower of that sport off the back of Conor
McGregor, I think it dipped and I think it's now it's it's
coming back up again from a the casual fan, right?
What's interesting about both of them, both the Netflix special
and UFC, is there's this idea out there that boxing audiences,
you know, mixed martial, mixed martial arts audiences are, you
know, your rednecks, yeah, your bogans, your rednecks.
But this is not true. It is so not true.
You know, female, male, it's every type.
You know, there's obviously a certain type of like that type
of fighting and that like combat sports, but everyone's watching
this now. I think I, you know, both with
Netflix now backing this style of event, UFC going from
strength to strength, I think this is only going to grow this
space. The other take I had on the Mike
Tyson, Jake Paul situation was that with the Tom Brady roast
that we saw earlier this year and now with this Jake Paul,
Mike Tyson thing, I think Netflix is starting to show
their hand or their intent or it's probably been clear for
most people already, but showing really you're starting to show
their intent about going to the live space.
And if you're a if you're a fan of sport.
This is great. You better get used to, well,
you better be prepared because at some point your favourite
sport could be you might have to have Netflix to watch it.
It's it. Would that many people not have
Netflix at? This I don't know.
I don't know what the numbers suggest I think, but that could
be a really. Wild statement live.
Live sport is probably the last bastion for them to explore and
if you are, let's look locally. If you are at the AFL and the
NRL and Netflix comes knocking with a cheque, it'll dwarf the
cheque that the free to air broadcasters are capable of
offering here and probably the pay TV broadcasters are capable
of offering. Yep.
So that is the the new frontier. And I wonder if to, to go back
to the core of this podcast, I wonder if there are some, some
run events that could start to, you know, rather than wait for
Netflix to knock cold, call them right now and say, hey, do you
want to get involved and, and continue to hone your craft
around live sport utilising the Sydney major marathon, utilising
the new triathlon? I don't know.
We'll Stan Amazon like Prime, they're all great backers of
Australian sport already. So, you know, watch the space
and Netflix. I saw they were doing a
Christmas special like Gridiron or NFL Game live on Christmas
Day. So you can imagine, like
everyone, all Aussies sit around and watch the Boxing Day Test
match in cricket well over in the States on Christmas Day,
Netflix and I have the biggest game.
So it was. Interesting.
I went down to the I went down to Tugan on Saturday where the
qualifying for series for the Shorn Partners Iron series was
happening for the old, old school Uncle Toby's New
Australian. Guys still on TVI think Well it
was. Streaming on YouTube, alright,
yeah, I actually thought the broadcast quality was really,
really good. It was Courtney Hancock and your
mate Ty Dalka doing the commentary.
But the broadcast quality was really, really good.
And. And I'll think back it because I
don't know if they do they broadcast those events live
anymore. Are they is it on delay?
Is it kind of streamed? I think it's been hit and miss
for a lot of years. You know, it was probably, I'd
say back to maybe when was the last time.
I can think, I reckon it's back to like 2008, give or take,
maybe even a bit early in that 2005 was really, I mean, we're
talking a long time ago. Yeah. 2005 was the real, I
think, turning point for that lifestyle of an endurance sport
on TV. You know, whether that was
triathlon, your Uncle Toby's Super series, some of the
marathons in City to Surf get a run live, but that's more
participation based. But those kind of real elite
events, 2005 was was really the end of it.
Well, Speaking of, and we'll get to our weeks on the on the track
shortly, but Speaking of live endurance events, you ever shit
yourself running Courtney? Mate, you know you definitely
know how to take a a turn on this.
Have you ever in your professional racing career, did
you ever get caught short in mid race?
No, I've, I've never I, I can't go as far as saying I've never
shot myself. No, but I've never shot myself
in a race. But have a listen to this.
Yeah, this is this. As hard as she could and she
went awning. We shouldn't be taking the piss.
Maybe you don't want. You do not want this to happen
to anyone. No, we we're not taking the piss
by any means. That is American Taylor nib mid
race. Did she win?
I don't know if she went on to win.
So this is a triathlon. This is the T100 triathlon I'm
assuming. He was in Dubai.
Yeah, I think as. Gentle came second or third.
OK, Australia's Ashdown so. T1 Hundreds, this like race in
between the Iron Man and the ITU kind of World Series, which is
Olympic distance and the Olympic game stuff.
And they've kind of brought something together that's over
100K and hopefully, yeah, all the best in the world race at
it. Tay So that is Taylor Nibb, who
I think she's meddled at Olympic Games twice.
She's a she's a star, She's one of the best in the game and that
is on the run. And she is saying to the
cameraman, cameraman, I've just shipped myself, can you please
not film my ass? And he says Yep.
And she says thank you. It's about as polite a
conversation for as you know, inappropriate a converse topic
as you would hear. And here's the thing called she
did go on to win. Oh, wow.
She went on to one win there. Oh, what do you have just
scrolled down? I've just scrolled down on a
photo taken of her at the finish line and obviously.
The memo? They didn't get the memo.
The memo didn't get to whoever was taking photos on the finish
line. But I, I, and here's the thing,
I and I reckon every amateur runner out there, and probably
professional too, feels Taylor's pain.
I feel that pain every morning I get up and have to go running.
But mid run, like the if and if anybody's out there who explores
the trails, it's a it's a real problem.
It is a big problem. I think that's morning runners.
It's one of the, it's the key, the key concerns of how you get
around this. And you know, it dictates our
location where we start. You know, there's a it's and
what, what, what the standard of toilets are.
Where you start a run is also key, right?
Because you can have toilets, but there's toilets and then
there's toilets. Gold Coast City Council are
doing a great job up the northern end of the Gold Coast,
some of the southern end. Down your way where let's just
call them. Yeah, a little bit sloppy down
your way you. You not happy with the standard?
Not happy with the standard but that's why I stay north.
And that is why I would say for all you runners out there, you
need to know where your toilets are.
You need to know where your good toilets are.
I at the Noose triathlon as an example.
I know we said we won't talk about this, but I, I found no,
no, no, the Portaloo situation up there.
They do their best, but I've also I have a sixth sense for
how to access, you know, like a a customers only toilet that's
that's behind a locked gate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found one up
in Noosa this year that proved an absolute lifesaver because
the pre race nerves get you as well.
And before you know it, you're finding yourself going more than
you need to. But the do you have any tricks,
any tricks for people out there on this topic Court.
Nothing beat I I don't think anything beats a coffee.
Get a coffee into you, bit of caffeine into you, and then give
it a little bit of time and then wait.
So you're just gonna wake up a bit earlier.
That's a trick. You do have to, but cater it
into. Your the morning routine, the
pre run routine, Yep. But the group when you were
meeting a group, that's the real that's the one that really is
hard. Like I need another 5-10
minutes. What do I'm gonna do?
They're off running and you know, 2 minutes.
Yeah. Can you wait for me?
Then we have that conversation on how big's a group or anyway
the running problems. The I've had one up at the main
beach there and we're the same thing.
It's like run group starting in 4 minutes and the bloke's there
cleaning at the toilets and he just thought I know the mate can
I block, you know I. Know I know the exact one.
Can I jump in there? He's I'm just cleaning my Yeah,
I know. But I've got about, I've got 3
minutes of my best work here and I've got 4 minutes until I've
got to be running. And how long are you going to be
done in 60 seconds? Toilet mats and he's got a job
to. Do and he's got a job to do and
I've got to be respectful of that.
But to Taylor near A to perform like you did to go on to win the
race with tip back cap B to complete the run in the state
you're in, another tip of the cap.
But to have the composure to speak to that cameraman with
such frankness, but politeness as well, like it was, it was a
really pleasant conversation she had about please not filming the
bottom half. Yep, because she'd shit herself.
Paula Radcliffe was the one who famously in the London Marathon
just. Just yeah.
Mid race. I mean, it's, it happens.
Yeah, it happens. And the ones who were tough and
deal with it just keep going, I suppose.
Just let's hope it's not one of us.
It's an occupational hazard. Footballers don't know how good
they got it. You've never seen a footballer
have to deal with that. No.
'Cause they just go and sub themselves off, disappear into
the bar and come back clean. Come back on SO.
What's your what's your what? What do you mean up to mate I?
Haven't shipped myself this week mate.
I'm actually feeling really good running wise.
My kilometres are starting to clock back up.
I think the last last week I've done 45 just ticked over 45 so
that curve is starting to my weekly case are starting to
climb up a bit. I've been sticking with that
kind of slower, longer runs, but there was an event Courtney I
raced. You raced you.
And I know you wanna hear about this.
I do wanna hear about this. I raced last last Friday.
I. Didn't know it was on but I did
see it on Instagram and I thought that was one of those.
We talked about the Cut event on the Gold Coast a little while
back and this is another event I was keen to get involved with.
However, I ended up in Sydney. Again, of all places, we'll talk
about your week in a SEC, but and we gotta give a shout out to
Steve Jackson, who's the man behind both The Cut and this
event, trail trips and events, I think is.
Also runs the Coastal High 50 which is I would argue one of
the the best trail races in Australia for scenery.
So he's, he's doing, he obviously knows how to run a
race. And this I got a message from
one of the blokes in my run group saying, Hey, can you make
Broadwater Parklands this Friday?
There's this 5K relay event going on.
I went short, no worries. I got there.
The race had already started. I was coming from work, but I
said just might be the last runner.
It's fine. Essentially what it is, it's a 4
by 5 kilometre relay. So you're in teams of four and
there's all different categories, open mix, male,
female, juniors, whatever. And it's it's, it is what it is.
It's a 5K relay really. It was an interesting course
because there was running on on pavement, running on dirt for
sections as well. And this is where the Marathon
Gold Coast Marathon finishes right for anybody that's running
a golden. Marathon you, you're up
basically up there at the Broadwater Parklands.
And what I loved about it, my big take away was running is for
everybody. It, this is a GRE, this was a
great advertisement for where running is at because you had
elite blokes, the elite teams, men and women, and you had
people dropping, you know, 16 minute 5K efforts.
And I think probably the quickest would have been under
16 minute 5K efforts. So there's proper runners up at
this thing. And then you had people plodding
around at 35 minute, right? But because what it is, it's a
single, you were doing 2 loop. It was a 2 1/2 K course.
You were doing 2 loops of it, but everyone's just rolling
through, so it's not like it. The V8 Supercars where
everybody's always on the same lap.
You had people, you might have had a 7 minute per K runner
being just at a sub 4 minute K runner just flying past them.
And you ran through the crowd. There was a bit of I saw.
A bit of a crowd. There was a finish, there was a
finish point at the aquatic centre there.
And so there was a bit of corridor and there was always a
bit of an atmosphere. And because it's a loop and the
the far points of the course weren't exactly populated, but
you always you had points you were running to.
And there was a crowd and there was support and there was
enthusiasm and there was music and it was just, it was a really
great vibe. And you went out there, you
committed to five KSI think I just tipped under 20, so I did.
About that what? Was it?
I did about a 19. I say about I did a 1950.
And and how's that go on your your best time?
Nah, off. I've probably about a minute off
my best time. What?
Is your best 5I? Think I've gone under 19 once,
right? And that was in AI?
What? That was in a triathlon where
they measure it a bit short. Look at me pretending like I
don't know when and where exactly what it was.
That's what I do. So that's what it was.
The ASICS, Remember, ASICS did the World Eccadon Relay
Challenge about. You might have been
participating in it because you've not involved with ASICS,
but ASICS had a World Eccadon relay where it was basically
similar sort of thing, and you ran it as a relay, but you could
run your segment whenever. And I had a pair of metaspeeds
that I'd never used. Before this is virtual, you can
just run out and. Yeah, you could go and run your.
I think there was like a 235K legs, 3 seven and a half K legs,
right? But anytime of day you just go
whatever. You want you go out and run and
record your your relay time whenever you.
Want jump on a bike? Oh jump in a car.
You probably could but but I remember I went into Centennial
Park in Sydney and found a 5K loop that was predominantly flat
if not a little bit downhill for most of the way and I went under
19 minutes that one time. So I did like an 1852 or
something, but so last Friday for this race, I did just under
20 minutes, which I was happy with.
Mad headwind. You started your first K, you
were running with a tailwind. So you everybody just went out
way too fast. And then when you turned around
and tried to run back up, you were just straight into this
headwind. But awesome, great event.
Atmosphere was unbelievable. And you kind of, you always felt
like you were kind of either chasing someone or being chased
because of the nature of the setup.
And yeah, it's I could not recommend it enough. the IT was
run the world relay is what it's called.
OK. You know what I think about real
like community relay events and getting, you know, the idea of
making running more than just the individual run.
So I've watched this with Steve putting it on for a few years
and I absolutely love the idea. Yeah, it's great.
It's we should, we should do next time one of these is on,
let's let's put together the relay time and it's I was
thinking about it afterwards. It's a great way it we have so
many, everyone has mates that they challenge like they throw a
challenge. Like golf course is a really
easy thing to challenge. You go out and play tennis
against your mates, all this sort of stuff.
This would be such an easy way to go.
Hey, you're 4 versus my 4. Let's go it.
And and you know, you put bragging rights on the lines.
There's great atmosphere and it's, you know, over the course
of probably an hour and a half, you're just there.
Keeping tabs on where your mates are all travelling and all the
rest of that and the times and great atmosphere.
OK. So next year we need a bit of
bit of notice, not not not the week after.
Next year, yeah, not the week after, no good to you this year,
but but yeah, so I did that and I've been sort of just ticking
along. I had another run in the Salomon
Spectres and and enjoyed them a bit more on the second run.
OK, found them. Can see how I I actually feel
like when I want to crack that 40 minute 10K when I'm ready to
have a crack. I think they'll they're the
shoes I'll probably wear. But what What did you wear in
the 5K relay? Well, the Adidas, the Boston,
the Bostons, yeah. Can't get you out of the Bostons
I know I really like. Oh, I didn't tell you this.
Here's one for. Here's one for you new runners
out there. The most you You can talk about
gear, you can talk about nutrition, you can talk about
training, you can talk about strength training, you can talk
about prep. The most simple, fundamental
thing you should do before every run is double check that your
laces are tied up. Because I started my leg of the
relay within 20 metres while she was under and I ran the whole
thing with it. Dun Dun.
It's very amateur. It was so amateur.
I was so disappointed in myself. I thought you were going to say
go to the toilet. First things first, I.
Didn't shit myself. How's your week going?
It's been good I. In full transparency, it was the
first week I have had a bit of soreness where back around my
calf. Oh, OK.
Yeah. So which I mean, I've been
pretty aggressive. Yeah, your pays have been going.
Up, Yeah. I mean, I mean, you know, pretty
much an 8090, ninety 9000. So I didn't run on Sunday.
I took a day off and the last two days I've been back running.
It's been fine. So I think it was just the fact
that, you know, it got through a fair bit.
Well, last Thursday I did. I did a threshold session back
down with the Gold Coast Runco mob around Peasy Park and the
week before we'd run 28 minute kind of threatening, you know,
tempo thresholds. At the moment I'm trying to hold
my heart rate around the 153 beats to get consistent and then
know if I'm improving or not. And the week before I was
struggling to hold like 320 pace at that.
This week we did a 20 minute solid effort in one hit and held
the three 20s at. Around 150, around 150.
OK, so the the fitness is improving.
Definitely improving, but like I said, then I ran against
Saturday along hilly kind of fart like loop out in the forest
17K and I pulled up a little bit like OK, I know I've done 4
weeks worth of work. Let's just make sure we recover
the next few weeks. I'm I'm travelling a little bit
around work and a few other things.
So there'll be a little bit of hit and miss here.
So it'll be probably a good period to to rest a little bit,
but definitely getting some improvements.
Just on that you, you mentioned that four week block and there's
probably some people who are at their amateur level of running
or might be preparing for or looking to improve.
And that idea of working a four week block of increasing case or
solid case and then having a a lesser week.
Is that like? Does that work for you?
It's probably a good rule of thumb and it's probably a good
thing to do and, and plan if you had a coach.
I'm I'm like a decent coach, I'm sure they're going to plan into
that. I hadn't planned it because I
was, you know, I'm just kind of going by a bit of feel and and
working my way through this. But in hindsight, it's like it's
probably just work that way. I probably needed a little bit
of downtime and this week will be a little bit of that.
This morning I ran fart like down at kind of my more speed
session this morning and like it was I was fine.
I ran well, happy with how things are going, but I also
just consciously backed off just a just a little bit knowing that
I won't run tomorrow because of because you've got a really nice
early morning flight down to Sydney, which is going to stop
me running, which I'm not too happy about.
But what I did do today is I ran in the Adidas Terex.
Now they're called Aggrove. I can't even pronounce that.
I don't know why shoe companies make their their names so
complicated. If I, if I go, if I was a shoe
company, if I was a shoe company and I want to sell a shoe, I
want to call it the most simple shoe that you're going to
remember. Yeah.
And you want to wear my shoe? Yeah, that's simple.
Can I've I've got that on the notes in front of you can.
You read that Terex Aggravic Speed Ultra.
Do you reckon it's aggravic? Aggravic, OK.
Aggravic, No, it'd be aggravic, but it's not aggravic.
It's Speed Ultra. It's.
All companies, every company do this.
Make the shoes so complicated to remember what it is.
I mean, I love the idea of just having a consistent shoe name
that's really simple. And then version 123456 so you
know exactly where you are, what it is, and what its purpose is.
Can I give you an example of a shoe that does that well?
Air Jordans. Air Jordans, Jordan ones, Jordan
twos, Jordan threes, Jordan fours.
Air Force. Air Force.
I mean, Nike, Nike do it with their running shoes pretty good
as well. Like you'll get your Veneros or
your Pegasus and, and Invincible and they're up to #3 I think.
I'm sure other, other brands do it.
I mean, I mean version 2 of a lot of Solomon shoes at the
moment that I've got. I I agree with you though, that
is, that is if you are sitting there.
I mean, branding is meant to be memorable, right?
Easy to remember, easy to recall, and the Adidas Terex
Aggravic Speed Ultra is not an easy shoe name to remember.
It isn't. And if I went out to my shoe
rack at the moment and there's 12 pairs of shoes sitting there
that I may, may not cycle through.
Yeah, When you ask me what are the three pairs I'm wearing at
the moment, even in my Salomon range, which I know really well,
I get mixed up a little bit. Like I'm, is it the Ultra Glide
Max? Is it the Ultra Glide or have
they changed the name? Like yeah, it's a challenge.
Anyway, we spent too much time on there.
I did wear these. So how'd how'd you go?
I made my Brett from Sydney who gave them to me.
I didn't want to put too many KS on and I thought perfect way to
trial. It is up at the Spit, so it's
trail, but it's kind of like clay cinder, a bit hilly, but
it's not technical. I also don't want to knock my
ankle because these are pretty build up shoes with the rubber.
They were good, but not amazing, right?
And actually that's probably, that's not a nice way to say not
amazing. I was expecting amaze.
I was expecting everyone's talking about plated marathon
shoes. So this is a.
This is a plated. This was their This is their
trail Speed trail shoe. Right.
OK. So for yeah and just to to walk
it down for the the. Sounds more I'm doing an ad on
this and and by no means I'm not, but I like I said, I like
trialling other shoes because I'll go back in my Solomon now,
yeah. And which don't have a plate.
I have trail shoes that have a plate in some of my Solomon
shoes. OK, the ones I'm running in at
the moment don't because we talked a lot about I like the
contact feel of the ground and depending on, you know, going
out training, I'm not looking for a plate, but I love to know
I've got a comparison. I now know what some of the
other brands are doing and what they feel like.
So this is their this is their speed shoe they had and it does
feel like a it's got a really aggressive rocker.
So front to back, like a bit of a concave and you do feel that
running in it. It feels like a road shoe with a
bit of light trail grip. But I can tell you to cut the
whole conversation really short, it was great running up there in
it. It was comfortable.
They're harder than the soft rubbers.
It's a harder shoe than the soft rubbers out there.
But I won't go and run it on the technical trail.
I will not go and run on a in a technical trail.
Reason is twice this morning just went over my ankle slightly
in this shoe. This and for I find for me and
for people when I talk to them, people less experienced at
running than me, the easiest way to explain the benefit of that
carbon plate. If you don't understand, if you
hear that, if you're hearing listening to us talking and
you're going what are you talking about in a plate you're
just running in a foamy shoe. The idea of a kangaroo, right
when you see a kangaroo hopping, jumping through the Bush, moving
forward, the way their foot works is by they never kind of
plant with their heel, It's always springing forward.
It's a. Spring.
It's an energy. Return, and that's what this
plate technology essentially does in your shoes.
So on a road run or a marathon or a 10K or a 5K, if you're on
the road, that energy return is really valuable because it's
unlikely that there's unevenness, right?
It's just on pavement or the road.
And so we're clear in this particular shoe, it's not a full
plate. They call them rods.
And I don't know enough about their Rd shoe to know if their
plate is rods. OK.
But there's a stiffening through it, which in effect is a similar
idea to a plate. But however it was what I kind
of expected to feel. But I, I, I'm not even going to
go and try running in it easy in the ring because I'm too afraid
that I'll do my ankle again. But that's.
Simple enough for people to comprehend though, because the
idea if you're moving in a straight line, that technology
that helps you move forward and spring forward with return every
time you plant your foot is great.
But if you're out on a trail or an undulating thing, that might
still help you go forward, but the unevenness you might
encounter on the trail, that I don't think that's overly
useful. Do you know what?
I'd rather no. I actually disagree.
No, I I find the the energy return and a plate on a trail in
the right way can be useful and you can feel it good.
Where where this shoe worries me if I was to go technical in it
yeah, is how high it's the stack height of and how high the
rubber's built up. OK, I've run in a I've I've
trialled another shoe which was the Nike's a gamma and I had a
similar, a similar again described it.
I had a similar experience where it's very aggressively sharp.
How to explain this in audio? Instead of having a like the
fall off from the from the top to the bottom of the rubber is
vertical. So if you go slightly over,
you're going to collapse over that whole 4 centimetres of
rubber or whatever it is. Yeah, fought me off to.
Exaggerate. It's like, you know, being in a
pair of high heels when you see your mum in a pair of high heels
as opposed to when she's in a flat I.
Love that you've got. You can explain what I can't
explain, Liam. It's all up here in my head and
that's exactly what it is. So anyway, we've got really.
Deep in. We've got deep into a run shoe
which I didn't want to get into OK, but I'm glad I tried it.
And then again, take them to Sydney tomorrow and give them
back because they're gone. But.
Yeah, can on that, on that shoe point, interestingly, I had a
conversation with someone I worked with the other day.
She is a, she runs like she, I think she set herself the goal
of running 350 KS total this year.
That's where her running's at. And she does park run every
weekend with her husband and she's part of the run group that
I started in my office. Well, and she bought herself a
pair of Nike Alpha flies. Is it Alpha flies?
Our vapour flies. Well the Vapour are the more the
10K shoe and the Alpha's more the the thicker marathon shoe
with the double. The then what's like the what's
the white one with the blue tick?
Nike. Yeah, but it's the Nike.
Anyway, she I think it's the I think she bought Vapour flies,
right? I think she bought a pair of
Vapour. OK, She's worn them twice.
She wore them for the second time on the weekend in a 5K in a
park run. She had to take them off.
She finished, she finished the run in in socks because she's
getting the blisters on her arches.
I just she can't deal with them right And I and she's going to
try and take them back to Rebel Sport where she bought them
from. I don't know whether she'll be
able to or not, but we just had a conversation about the idea of
and it comes back to what you and I've talked about on here
before. Go and try shoes on.
Go and try as many as you can on or as many as you need to to
find the ones that suit you. Nike Alpha Flies or Vapour
Flies, whatever they are, are an awesome shoe if they work for
you. Yeah, the hotspots are the hot,
I'll call them a hotspot on their foot and that can be 4
foot, it can be under your arch, it can be on the heel, it can be
even, you know, the back when you actually get rubbing on the
Achilles. It's a hard one to know until
you've done some case in a shoe. So you can try a shoe on.
It can feel great. You can go down the road, run 8K
in it and for some reason your foot shape and your size and you
just get a hotspot. That happens all the time and it
happens across all the brands. Yeah.
I don't know. I really don't know how you get
around that. Sometimes.
It's just going to be a bit of dumb luck.
Hopefully. Hopefully you've got them clean
enough, you can take them back, but that's probably not going to
be the case. I think someone gets a really
nice gift in that case. That's what happens around here.
So yeah, I mean that that happens with shoes.
But So what else did I get up to Sydney when it's down in Sydney
on Friday? And so anyone who knows a little
the Interstate commutes and for their work.
I don't know what it what, how hard is it to have flights on
time Friday night? I don't think it it it is
possible to get a flight out of Sydney on time on a Friday
night. I don't think it's ever happened
and I don't it doesn't matter where you're flying, Virgin,
Qantas, just start it just it doesn't happen.
And I'm nearly at the point where I'm going to start booking
2 hours in advance on a flight I know I can't make because I
think it's going to be delayed and take that chance it is.
It's doing my head in at the moment both ways.
Thursday night I flew down late and came back Friday night and
both times were late nights so. You'll be alright mate.
It's OK. First world problems.
The problem is we don't have an alternative.
They've got us by the they've got us by the short and Curly's,
the airlines. Well, but the I mean even with
the Rex not doing as much as it used to, now it's we are there,
we don't really have an option it.
Yeah. So that's that's and it's I've
got a figure to travel back and forth in the next few weeks.
So dry your eyes. Mate, really looking, really
looking forward to that. But what I was down there for
was a fitness conference. I was speaking at a fitness
conference and like a gym chain. And what got me was, you know,
when you go into a trade show, so like if you walked into the
Expo at Gold Coast Marathon or Noosa and everything, they've
got all the different brands around and everything else.
I'm obviously down there and I'm I'm representing Red Bull, so an
energy drink and now everything about it.
What got me this time was I was at the pre work.
So this is gyms. So you're you're lifting and
you're the high rocks and that style of gym.
What got me was the pre workouts and how wild they are.
I've never used this, have you? So I've got a bit of show and.
Tell for you, I've never used pre workout.
So, you know, to put it into perspective, I suppose energy
drinks in a way a pre workout because pre workouts are just
heavily, heavily caffeinated products, right?
They'll have some supplementation in them, you
know, amino acids, branch enemies or whatever it is to
help pipe you up. But in the end, it's the
caffeine that's doing the real, it's a stimulant.
So it's doing the real heavy lifting.
So if you take a, I've got the fridge next year over there.
If you looked at the 250 mil Red Bull, which is a smaller Red
Bull, it's got about 80 milligrammes of caffeine in it
or no, not about it has 80 milligrammes of caffeine.
So to put that into perspective, most people know espresso pods
now. Yeah, yeah.
So if you're at home and you've got an espresso pod, they'll
have somewhere between 70 and 90 milligrammes.
OK, so it's it's. Like a standard.
Coffee. It's like a one shot flat white
from your local cafe. 100% OK this is a product which is a pre
workout called buckshot coming out of the states.
I love it look. Looks like a 12 gauge shortcake.
Cartridge. Check I'll, I'll put a picture
of this up on Instagram. It's, it's a classic.
I just love the idea. Buckshot 200 milligrammes of
caffeine in that little. So that's like.
That's like a triple. It's a yeah, it's a triple.
So, but is that is that powder, is it?
A tablet that's a liquid it's like a like a syrup in that then
to put that into like So what what what do you I mean it is a
12 gauge shortcut it's. It's it's looks like, yeah,
it's, it's a shotgun case. You can imagine in all those
action films when they pull out that shotgun and they cock it
and reload and you see the shell casing flyer, That's what that
looks. Like that's what it is.
So 200 milligrammes of caffeine in that.
So it is a bit of fluid. But then the next step up that
got me and I I suppose I haven't been around gyms and, and that
area enough, but the next one is a little packet and it's
literally powder and read that for me.
Yeah, woke AF, woke AF, Yeah, with a, with a, a deer head and
the big antlers in the colours of the American flag.
Yeah, So same same buckshot but woke woke AF woke warning high
stimulant again in literally I mean.
I get a feeling the sales in that since Trump won is probably
going up. I think they're doing all right,
but what's the what's the candy the fizz called?
Wizz Fizz, Wizz Fizz We're. Looking at a wizz.
Fizz, that's what, yeah. But it's warning high stimulant
200 milligrammes of caffeine in that too and.
So what are you meant to mix that one with?
Water? Is that how it's designed or you
just this one says? Mix in a litre of water.
OK, a litre of water. 1041 millilitres of water so jeez.
OK my mass is on that one. Yep mate, learning something
every day. Here I am at a fitness
conference and there there are a few things that I was just like
wow. So.
People are going, if you're, if you're going to the gym taking
some of this stuff and you're just the average, you know,
person walking in and going, I'll take some of this on.
And that's without all the additional additional
supplementation in there as well.
What has this one got in there? Bet Alanine.
I'm gonna make. Alpha GP Yeah, I don't some.
Stuff in there I don't see like and I and I'm the IQ I haven't I
haven't gone into a gym for the last time.
I regularly attended a gym. I was living in Sydney and a
mate of mine who now has opened two very successful gyms.
In fact there's people out there who probably know the Verdis
gyms in Bondi. He, he and my mate Rawson, he
and his business partner Hamish are absolutely killing it.
They are leaning into that fitness obsession and image
obsession nature of Bondi as a suburb and they are flying,
they're doing a great job, they run a great business.
It's the training centre of choice for any visiting footy
player or you know, influencer. They all want to be seen down at
the gym. They've created that
environment. They're doing a great job.
But the last time I trained was before Rawson settled up those
two gyms and he used to run us out of White City, the tennis
centre in Paddington in Sydney. And it was kind of the circuit
style stuff, right? It was a bit, not high Rocks but
sort of high Rocks meets CrossFit type stuff and we do it
with a bunch of the footy guys. But I haven't set foot in gyms
like that since then and I've never, I think it was kind of
just before or just as this whole pre workout industry
started up or became mainstream. So I've never embraced it and I
don't think I need it. I don't, I don't.
I just don't think we're probably in the in the circle.
No that but we're not doing enough beach weights for pre
workout. You and me, Corey.
I'm definitely not lifting heavy enough to warrant any of this
talking about. The last time you did a bicep
girl? I'm doing some exercises with
some like a kind of you got the laying on my back and you got
the. Bright pink grandma weights
though, no one just see them walking with them I I.
Just put some sand in my weights and that and that's about all I
need. Talking about high rocks, I'm
actually going to catch up with Chris Wooley this weekend down
in Byron. He's coming up to help out with
some high rocks stuff for something I'm involved with so.
If you're not familiar with the name Chris Wooley and and you
might not be, this is a a bloke who I know through social
circles back in Sydney and who is a fiery.
And a gladiator. And well, Fiery turned basically
really fit guy who can compete in anything.
He went on Gladiators. There was another, there was
another, I think one of the other TV shows tried a
Gladiator. Oh no, tried a Ninja Warrior
type TV show that he went on with some of his friends.
He's been on Ninja Warriors. Well, I think he's just a really
fit guy. And then High Rocks came along
and it was just perfect for him because not only is he kind of
that gym fit, that CrossFit fit, but he's a great runner too.
And now with the world of High Rocks, he's one of I mean, he
finishes on the podium's most races, doesn't he?
Oh, he's yeah. I mean, he's up there.
I think he's next. He was telling me he's going for
the double S to get in the top 15 in the world.
So like, he's definitely up there.
One of the best. I met him.
The funny thing, the story of How I Met him, no idea who he
was, but we were running a competition of who can run the
most elevation in a month to win a competition.
Did I tell this story? Maybe.
No, not on here. Not.
On here. So he he he was one of three in
the lead at the end of the month, going to see how much
elevation he could run in the month and this.
Was a Red Bull thing on Strava. It was, it was a Strava
challenge, yes. And I, I can't remember how high
it was, but these guys were going nuts.
Anyway, there was a little bit of like cat and mouse going on.
He got to the last day and spent 13 hours climbing the steps that
I think could either Coogee or around that area.
Yeah. And he just did steps for 13
hours to get the elevation and he ended up missing it by like
something silly like 200 metres or whatever.
So in a, in a weird way, the prize for the first two took him
out for a run out in NT and he missed out.
So I felt, I always felt this kind of like me to, to make it
up to him. Let's catch up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll take it out for breakfast.
But he's a good dude. He's a, he's a good dude.
So I'm gonna catch up with him this weekend.
We'll have a chat hopefully. Going back on something we spoke
about on a previous episode, I have had tremendous support
around the notion of the 100 KG category for the marathon.
Me, me too. I've had a lot of people come
out and say I love this, I'm in on this or Yep, absolutely why?
Why doesn't this already exist? With that in mind, I need to
give a shout out to Brendan Markham, who I don't know, but
Brendan is a, a bloke who I've been told has lost 50 kilos on
his running journey, right. And he still would still be in
the the 100K category for more reports.
But who started this year running a 28 minute park run And
last weekend just go and run a 21 minute park run.
He's dropped 7 minutes on his park run and he's still tipping
the ski the kilos at a the scales at 100 kilos.
But with that CLA classification in mind, Clydesdales and Athenas
is what this category is called at Noosa.
I want to throw some other names at you.
OK. The Kilo kings and Queens.
Mm hmm, keep going the heavies. I'm, I'm, I'm fine with that,
but I I reckon we'd have a feel bit of the audience.
But but again, it's you want to declare yourself this is not.
I was thinking about it, 'cause I might.
Some people will hear the heavies and think it's an
insult. It's not.
And that's the point we're trying to get across, is, you
know, in boxing there's lightweight, there's
strawweight, there's featherweight, there's
middleweight, there's cruiserweight, there's
heavyweight. It's just a classification.
It doesn't judge you as a person, right?
I like the heavies, personally. The Centurions is the other one.
I like the heavies too. I like the heavies I.
Think we, I think in our petition we'll we'll struggle
with that one, Sure. I think the Clydesdale as a
precedent for that, yeah, we can probably get away with it.
I don't. But I'm I'm more than happy to
help push the heavies when we go, when we go into bat for this
cat. You know what?
I might. Do you know what we might do?
Can we make that the poll this week?
We can do that. On the I'll come up with a few
more and we we'll put up a poll this week after this episode
goes put up a. Poll what the new category?
Should the category, what the 100K plus category should be
called for marathons moving forward.
Perfect. I feel like we can own this
movement. Courtney done.
I really do done done, done. Yeah.
Anyway, I just wanted to get back to that and share that Bo
Jones as well, who is a a member of.
I think he's probably under that category now.
He competed in Kona this year as a guest of Iron Man Australia.
He runs a wonderful organisation called Bottler about mental
health, particularly in the triathlon space, and he is right
behind the idea of how good he'll be back up in the 100 KG
kilo category soon. He's gonna, he's gonna eat a
bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he got, he got, he got Iron Man fit, OK, but he'll be
back up there. So he's a big unit beginner, not
a bad guy, just a beginner, right?
How did did your I've just forgotten the name, but your
friend last week he was trying to run for the whole podcast
did. Graham Snow, Snowy my and he did
not. Didn't get to the. 65 minutes,
he's been struck. He's a bit like you actually.
He's he has this sort of recurring Achilles soreness.
Hey, don't, don't, don't, don't mention injuries well.
No, I'm just saying that he took a.
Touch wood now he. Took a bit of.
Time off. It's not like me.
I'm fighting fit, he took. I'm fighting fit.
We have this rule. You don't.
It's like you do not talk about calves.
Really. Yeah.
If you're running and you talk about a calf suddenly, then.
OK, my mate did not finish the run.
No. Can I throw something at you?
Of course you can, Liam. UTA, this announcement they got.
I think they could. Jealous of Sydney Marathon
getting their world starters? Status.
So for those that don't know UTA Ultra Trail Australia, it is the
IT is the pinnacle trail running event in this country.
I would say the UTA weekend in the Blue Mountains.
They have a 22K race, a 50K race, and 100K race.
Yep, I'd agree. It's the one that new trail
runners and it's the one that's known best in Australia.
And today, literally the day of, and I'd heard whispers about
this for a little while, but today, the day of recording, it
has been officially announced. I'm just bringing it up that
Hoka Ultra Trail Australia by UTMB elevates to UTMB World
Series major status with a new 100 mile race.
So for 2025 you will be able to enter a 100 mile race, 160
kilometre race in the Blue Mountains as part of the Ultra
Trail Australia race series. Do we really need another race?
Do we really? What do you think?
About this, I think they should pick a distance and have the
best race at that distance. OK, I think EV, I think if I go
to you how I like to look at races and I understand the the,
the finances and I understand the participation notion of
having multiple categories and events.
But I want for me, I want to go to an event which I'm like, I go
to UTA and there's 100K race. UTA is 100K race and everyone
who goes there runs the same race, the same thing.
Just just like, you know, we've talked about categories, but
just like that race, that triathlon, we won't mention or
any triathlon for that. You go and there's a race like
we talked about a few weeks a bit ago in the Olympics, just
starting to add more and more and more and more.
It just saturates to the point where who cares?
And I, I don't mean that in a in a bad way, but I want to
celebrate something and I want it to be defined.
I want to celebrate that that race.
And I've got no problem of there being another hundred hundred
mile race. But to me, the kind of at that
ultra trail race, it's always been the 100K that's been the
that's been the golden event. Will this now take away from it
that someone can run further? It's really interesting.
I I hadn't thought about I think.
You get a belt back or there's something you get for completing
100 Ki. Think there's a buckle?
Well, 100K at UTM. At UTA you get something and.
I think the sorry you're right, the 100K is a.
Buckle. That's been the gold ribbon
event. So oh, the blue ribbon event.
Sorry. I think it's, I hadn't thought
about it like that, but now that you mention it, the notion of
saying I'm going to this place and this place immediately
infers everyone knows what you mean, right?
Because now, like if you said you were going to, I'm, Oh yeah,
I'm racing UTA this year. You could run. 11K but everyone
knows now that oh it used to be a case of oh what you doing the
50 or the 100. Or the 11 or the 20.
But now if if you said to somebody for 2025, are you
racing UTA this year, you then say, oh, what distance are you
doing? Because yeah, now there is five
possible distances. People are going to disagree
with me on this for sure, but I was just but but I'm going to
take my myself when I've gone down to race UTA.
I should be a 50K runner right? I'm not not set up to run the
100, so that's fine. But in the years where I haven't
been quite there for the 50, I dropped back to the 22.
Yeah, because I can be more competitive and I can go on
podium, you know, and try and win the 22.
But my, my gut feel is that should not exist.
I should have to go. If I want to race, I should be
going to the race and I have to race the 50.
I will be really interested to see what the take up is of the
100 mile race next year. I'll be fascinated.
Well, the reason it's added right is to qualify to have
another qualifying option for the UTMB in Germany, France.
Which is, which is ultra trail Mont Blanc, which is the is the
trail race is. The place.
So that's the reasoning behind it and obviously it I think it's
saying it adds status to it. Yeah, but my argument is by
adding the status you're actually diluting your event and
I'm going to leave it there. It's really interesting.
It's a good take. No look, I, I, I will be I will
wait to see what the take up is on the 100 mile option for this
race. I would also be interested to
know what the. Course looks like.
Are you interested in running the 100 mile, Adam?
Look, I have an itch to scratch 100 mile.
I have several itches to scratch.
I at some point I've told you about I I want to do an Iron
Man. I also would love to, I would
love to do 100 mile race just to experience it right.
I would. I'm in no way, shape or form
capable of doing it right now. Would you want to do this one
the UTA or would you? Pick No.
No. No, and not because it's not
appealing, but because I've done the 50K race in the Blue
Mountains and I feel like the 50K course gives you all the
highlights of that area. I don't feel like the 100K
course or the 100 mile course would take me to other parts
that to see something new, to see something new, right.
I think the 50K course is amazing.
You get to do the further stairs at the end, you go down the
grand staircase, you get to run through the valley floor, you
get to, you know, run along these narrow single trail
sections as good far you get. It's a great run.
It's really challenging. The stairs in it are a nightmare
and murderous on your quads, but it's a great run and you get to
experience all these amazing parts of the Blue Mountains.
I don't know whether 50 more KS of that or 110 more KS of that.
I'm going to see anything necessarily new.
Yep. So if I was going to choose to
tackle the 100K or the 110K, I'd be more inclined to chat to go
to Kosciusko because now, and I've been told by people that
run Kosi, it's not as exciting or picturesque run as the UTA
is. But I haven't done it and I
haven't run out there and I haven't seen it.
So if I was going to set myself 100K.
It's a new experience. I'd go and do it because we
talked about this. It's about experience and I'd
rather find, or I'd rather find something over in New Zealand.
I just saw a reel of a couple of the run influencers who went and
did the Queenstown Marathon. That looked amazing, that looked
beautiful. I'd rather go and find.
All right, well, if we're going to do 100K, let's find 100K over
in New Zealand to target, because I've never run there and
I'd love to see new stuff. Yeah, I've, I haven't raced the
snowy mountain one, but I've done a fair bit of stuff up
around, I suppose racing and just some exploring up around
the snowy mountains. And if you said to me Blue
Mountains, snowy mountains, I'd go for the snowy mountains every
day. Yeah.
I mean that Alpine, there's something to me about that
Alpine nature of trail running to be up high and have that
vantage. I mean the the rainforest.
And maybe that's because we already live in an area that has
very similar terrain to what the Blue Mountains are up here on
the back of the Gold Coast. But I'm always going to take the
more like Alpine version of running over.
Because it's something new and different, really.
Maybe, but I also just think it's got that, you know, the
elevation. There's something about the
elevation and being up on top of the world.
That's a nice, that's a nice thought.
Picture that in your minds as you're out on your run or
whenever you listen to this. We got a few more minutes
course. We do.
I want to do an exercise with
you and everybody out there. Now, most people out there are
probably a part of a run club, a run group, a run club, whatever
it is. I want you to try and I, I have
attempted to categorise run clubs.
OK, OK, I've put together these lists and they're
generalisations, sure, but as you're listening, try and decide
whether this is your run club or run group.
OK, so I'm picking which one you I'm going to join.
You stick your head. I'm going to choose which one
I'm joining. Which one you're joining, Or if
you want to be honest about it, which one you might already be a
part of? OK right.
So Run Club 1 is what I'm calling the gratitude group.
Every run starts with a 5 minute chat about gratitude given by
the official leader of the group.
So there is an official leader who's always talking about
gratitude at the start. The group's free and there's
runners of every level. So you've got joggers, walkers
and you might have some really good runners in this group.
It could be anywhere from 20 to 50 runners.
So it's a decent sized group show up at each session.
Do I get a cuddle? Yeah, yeah, it's that sort of
group where cuddle is encouraged and posts run.
You're going to sit down and you're going to breathe together
as a group. OK, so that's, that's the
gratitude group, as I call it, right?
That's Group One, your sort of group.
I can definitely say not my. Group, not your group, no.
What about this group? This is what I call the pay to
play group, right? This is run club or run group 2.
This is a run club that will definitely improve your running
and have you hitting pay base. So if you're looking to get
better. OK, this is exciting me a bit
more. Yeah, the the sessions are
planned by a coach with designed outcomes.
So this is very much we are doing this because it will do
this. And they've been to running
school. And they've been to a running.
School. Exactly.
Yeah. OK, You're gonna pay.
The session's gonna cost you 10 bucks a hit.
That's cheap, right? So it's a it's a.
Well, it depends on. What's the run?
What's the going rate? For a run group, I've never paid
for a run group. OK.
And then the other part of this run club is that when you turn
up to race at something like that 5K relay or at a city to
surf or something like that, there's a group to run.
You run as part of this group. So it's very much like a club.
It's a lesser group, more of a run club.
OK. That's what I call the pay to
play club. Yep, that that's got my
interest. Run club #3 or the run group
number 3 is the casual club. If it's raining or if it's cold
or if there's something big on the night before, this run
probably ain't happening. It says 5:00 AM start, but you
probably won't actually start running till sort of 5:15.
Oh oh. There's red flags all over.
This when you when you do start running, it's always at a
conversational pace. That's all right.
And the post run coffee is the most important part.
So this is about as relaxed as a run as a run club.
This is a popular run group at the moment popping up.
Yeah, that's about and my guess is that's not your type of run,
run club. No, no, the last one I'm going
to call the the Graham Group. This is and I think you saw one
of these over in the States and there's probably quite a few of
these on the Gold Coast where we are.
It's more disco than run club. It's shirts off, ABS out.
Somebody is probably carrying a speaker.
They obviously, they obviously write this one.
The group leaders will be filming every second of every
run for an Insta reel and the merch matters as much as the run
does. I don't think that's your run
club either. No, no, no.
I mean, I'm out of all of them. I'm pretty obvious.
You're in that pay. To play into pay to play, but we
don't know how much you pay. But no, I'm going to pay.
But I I and that is. Look, I've I've bunched them for
the which? Which one are you?
Which one? Which one do you see?
I'm probably somewhere between the casual club and the pay to
play because the reality is I'm finding more and more I'm
running on my own of light. And I don't thought not, not
because I want to run on my own, but just because of life.
Life is causing me to. It's difficult for me to get to
the run clubs that I want to run with.
And so I'm finding I'm having to run by myself and because of my
work situation, which is it, I've got a bit more free time
during the day and less in the mornings and the evenings.
So I'm running at what we talked about previously is pro hours,
yeah. Sometimes running on your own is
is great. I mean you can listen to
something, think about things. But when I was in Sydney last
week I did catch up with a mate. I used to live up here on the
Gold Coast, Linden, and we went running out to Malabar from
Coogee, just along the beaches. And that one reminded me just
how good it is to run with someone.
Like you can run an hour and it can seem like 5 minutes if
you've got the right person to run where.
Over the years I've kind of not, not so much challenge, but where
I don't like running is just running with someone for the
sake of running. If I'm running with someone, I
want them to be, you know, like us, we're sitting here and we
can we sit here and we, when we run, we could run for, you know,
if we could run for three hours. Or you could I.
I would. The conversation would slow up
from me significantly after the first half hour.
But we, we, we just run and chat for as long as we could go,
right? So there's no real that that's
the idea of running with someone.
Yeah. For me, that's what you get out
of it is that you're not actually thinking about running.
It becomes easy if you're, you know, coming back from injury or
if you got sore, you just don't think about any of it because
you're just concentrating. Running a group, however, is the
purpose for me to go to a group. And this is my purpose is to
benefit from competition and being pushed and trying to get
more out of my running verse. Gotcha.
The SO I'll go more on the individual side if I want
company running and the group is purely for me to get comp
competitive. That's I, I think we're almost
entering a because of the popularity of running these
days. Yeah, this is a term that a
bloke who's getting mentioned a bit because he's one of he runs
the running group that I sometimes get out to when I've
got when I can get my, you know what together.
Eddie Gordon coined the phrase the other day after this 5K
relay. Hobby joggers and whether or not
we need to, you know, running as a term or runners as a
classification needs to be saved for people that are, as you say,
actively trying to improve their running and whether everyone
else needs to be classified as a hobby jogger.
Yeah, You know, I, no, the one thing I'm for is I don't care
what you're doing, running, whether it's jogging, walking,
if you were out there and and I'm saying this, I'm not trying
to just, you know, sit on the fence here.
I I probably wouldn't have said this 10 years ago.
I probably would have been taking the piss.
But I really don't care anymore. It's about if I see someone
running down the street and they're out running, good on
them. Like yeah, absolutely, 100% good
on them. And can we call themselves a
runner? They can call themselves a
runner. A runner's a runner.
If you can run, you can run. We can all run, right?
In the end, we can all run. Just one more thing.
I had a story the other day around groups.
And if you turn up to a group or you see a group, when you run
past and you see a group congregating, have a look at
their shoes to look at the group and look at their shoes.
And I want to know can you tell what type of group it is by what
shoes the majority are wearing? Alright, there's the.
Well, that's a challenge. There's the challenge.
The the reason it came out was there, there was A and I'm gonna
put them in the more gratitude. Yeah.
I think what do we call it? Gratitude.
The gratitude, Right. There's nothing wrong with that,
But I think you could, you'd be able to tell them because you'll
pretty much see just white sneakers.
Ah, and maybe a couple of black pairs.
So it's kind of more that that gym.
They're probably not wearing your coloured shoes.
OK. It's nearly like a walking
slash. I'm just trying to think of the
New Balance shoe I'm thinking of.
It's like a New Balance, like big thick rubber.
Is it the endorphins or is that Sulconi?
I think that's Sulconi anyway. I know what you mean.
Yeah.
Black or white shoes and. And that's where we but have
have a thing when you run past the run group, if you're
listening, I'm trying to next time you go past the run group,
have a look at the majority of shoes they're wearing.
And I think that will tell you a lot about the run group.
So like if it was the pay to play group, yeah, I reckon
you're gonna find, you know, not carbons, lot of carbons, 90%
maybe if it's switching shoes out within the session, you
know, there's there's gonna be a type because it's the only
equipment you use when you run. Casual club, lot of Keanos?
Yep, a lot of a lot of. I was having a conversation with
someone the other day about Keanos because that's what they
grew up as that when it was more of the cross trainer shoe, less
of the running shoe. And I was showing them how these
days the Kiano is more, they've transitioned it I think, into
away from being that everyday, play tennis in it, go to the gym
and do everything. Now it is much more of a running
shoe. I think that was also to do
with, you know, you had your specialist running shops, your
online shops and then you're kind of general sports stores
would always really heavily push the Keanos.
Wow, that was. So weird, wasn't it?
Well. They got the kind of
podiatrists. Yeah, we.
Got the kind of condition to think it was the shoe to have.
The running shoe, they did a great marketing job all those
years and it's still obviously, you know, playing on a little
bit yeah, but so anyway, have a have a look at how I'm running.
But I'm running shoes in your clubs on that.
We're nearly pretty much done. But I've got one more thing
because we tried a bit of an Instagram Reel last week and we
had the other one on Strava users and kind of we, we've
joked a little bit about Strava, you know, should you show all
your runs? What's the purpose of Strava?
Is it really a social media platform or is it a performance
platform? This is from Matt's Leon.
Leon, I think that's line, Matt's line.
But have a listen. This guy is pretty good.
You're running pace is too quick.
You deserve way more attention than you're getting.
And so from that moment on, I signed up for Strava.
My name is Dopamine, and I have no idea how people in the early
2000s did it. Imagine going out to exercise
and the only benefit you receive is physical well being.
Going for a run is kind of like a tree falling in the woods.
If nobody's around to see it, did it really happen?
That's why even if I'm going to get mail at the end of the
driveway, it's going public. I want Kathy from the county to
think wow, movement down to a science.
Last week I had a new PR on a five mile segment, so I posted
the recording on my Instagram story with the caption light
work and a little double emoji. I want people to know that while
it might seem like I'm a professional athlete already, my
ceiling is up here. I had a bunch of buddies come
over last night to watch Oppenheimer.
When they walked in the door, I had a projector set up and we
spent the next 4 hours analysing my mile splits.
A few of them left claiming they wanted to watch a movie.
I gave them the wildest look and I'm like, is my life not a
movie? Do.
You that's good. What annoyingly, what jumped out
to me during that is I really enjoyed the, the, the driveway
PR thing, by the way. But at work during the week, we
have these monthly lunches or these, OK, every couple of
months, someone in the office, some team is responsible for
these lunches. And you theme it up and if it's
Mexican food or something like that, or everyone wears
sombreros. And anyway, the team I'm a part
of was responsible for the most recent lunch.
And one of the things we've done on the radio show was make this
democracy source, which I told you a bit about.
And we had some leftover. So we just did a big BBQ.
But the idea was it was an election theme because we still
had the democracy source. We had the BBQ going out and one
of the people in our team had made up election posters for
candidate posters for everyone in the team.
And then, you know, so one of the blokes who's a massive
Broncos fans vote for Graham. We'll live stream every Broncos
game. Da, da, da, da, you know your
policies. And my poster was Liam running
for president will run for you, will run to the fridge.
In fact, we'll just run everywhere and tell you all
about. It tell you all about it.
That is my person. I am that guy in my office.
What? What was the middle one if a
tree falls in the forest? If you go for a run and you
don't post it on Strava did it really?
Happen that that is, but let's leave it on that night.
That is terrific. We challenge you if you're out
listening on this run, don't upload today's run.
See if you can go to sleep tonight.
See you next week.