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In the beginning Episode 9. 
The world's fastest growing 

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running podcast. 
Courtney, how are we travelling?

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We're travelling well, but First
things first, what were you 

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doing today? 
I saw I shared on I shared on 

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the AC and Aaron page, you 
walking through Triple M's radio

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office one thing. 
Questions. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Well, before you ask your 
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one thing you'll find and as we 
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beginning podcast that I hope 
the community learns to 

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appreciate is I'll commit to a 
bit. 

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If we are going to do something,
I am fully committed. 

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I'm all in. 
And that's what you're referring

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to today as I walked through 
Triple M's office in a full 

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bandit costume, which for those 
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Bluey. 
The dad from a blue is dad from 

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the cartoon. 
So blue is a blue is a very 

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famous kids. 
Blue is a cartoon dog. 

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Yeah. 
And so, yeah, today. 

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Was I got some wolf with 
whistles I saw. 

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Hey, some of them something. 
Girls through there or 

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appreciating. 
It they're only human Courtney I

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was lucky enough today to go to 
the media preview opening of 

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Bluey's world, the new sort of 
attraction theme park thing 

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that's been set up in Brisbane 
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north side there OK and it's 
awesome it's where. 

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We were kind of saying an 
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that way. 
They're they're talking about 

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wanting to reclaim a bit of that
of the river for these possible 

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Olympic Stadium. 
But anyway, Bluey's world 

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unbelievable. 
If you've got kids, get along It

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is my kids lost their mind. 
I've got an 8 year old and a 

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four year old. 
They loved it. 

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It was goes you'd probably spend
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there, but it was a brilliant 
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Then I went back to the office. 
And you ought to do these things

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just for for, for the sake of 
the station. 

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So were you dressed up while 
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No, no, I thought that might 
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You just, you just borrowed some
of their costumes here. 

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Well, no, here's the thing. 
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know, I've been on to blue for 
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I've had that costume for three 
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I was I used my wife and I, 
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Chilli and Bandit, the mum and 
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2021. 
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Randwick in Sydney dressed up as
Bandit 3 years ago. 

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You're on it. 
I was on it. 

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You're on. 
I was on it. 

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I was. 
I was an early adopter of Bluey.

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You're so my kids are too older 
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They're well older than Bluey 
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Didn't exist. 
So we're watching different 

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cartoons. 
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no one really knew about Bluey 
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World, I got a phone call from 
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you go to Birdsville tomorrow? 
I don't like Birdsville 

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tomorrow. 
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What are you doing? 
How far away is Birdsville? 

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What some people listening to us
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don't realise is one of my kind 
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On the side is filming and I do 
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Majority of the work is 
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Gopros, you know, all the 
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That's where I started with them
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can be anything they'll call on 
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But Birdsville and they said, do
you know the game Upsy? 

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Keep me up. 
Keep me up. 

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No one I didn't know Bluey, but 
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I had no idea what they were 
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short, I went out to Birdsville 
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You got to take seven stops. 
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like places like Windara and 
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It's a 7 hour flight to only go 
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And then I got out there with a 
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I know you use a balloon in the 
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ball and I had to go around town
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doing the games of upsy. 
Now that was a challenge. 

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Keep Sorry Keepy, I'll be 
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Come on. 
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I don't. 
I've got the for. 

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What the local for the launch of
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So Tourism Queensland did this 
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know, an international campaign 
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What? 
What Blueys World was coming to 

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Brisbane? 
And keeping that. 

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Ball, part of the promotional, I
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internationals involved and all 
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around Queensland of Kebby up. 
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Queensland, doing it in 
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Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast and I
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That is, that is actually an 
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out there who do have kids when 
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be upset because I can guarantee
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kids my age, they know what 
Keepy Uppy is and they have been

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playing it probably for the last
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And today my kids got to play 
Keepy Uppy in Bluey's actual 

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backyard. 
It was a massive thrill. 

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So well done to you. 
Thank you for the part you. 

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Well, it was a challenge. 
It was because no one, you know,

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I'm in the middle of Birdsville,
out West town of don't quote me,

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but I'm thinking there's 
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only 100 people, if that in town
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No one at the pub wanted to do 
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No one anyway, the local 
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rank. 
He he did it And then literally 

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at one stage I was nearly 
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to the campsite and just say, 
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And then it all came. 
I had 24 hours there and it all 

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came together in the last hour 
and the the local Ranger did it 

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for me in a few. 
Oh, sorry. 

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I. 
Was the way. 

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You know, I ticked it off always
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Kept my job. 
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You would have had to have a 
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background. 
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Yeah, Birdsville Sign Local 
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attraction out there. 
The Billabong, you know, and the

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main attraction, Big Red. 
Of course, well well done to you

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on on playing a part in getting 
Bluey's world. 

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Yeah, so just thank me for it 
later. 

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That's amazing parents. 
Hey, how's your week been? 

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Week's been short and even busy.
Eventful this week. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
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Red Bull had the World Cliff 
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Sydney Harbour. 
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just of scaffolding sitting in 
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Macquarie's chair with the Opera
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And the first day I got there 
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out to check it out the tower. 
And they've got a few different,

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you know, they bring in, I 
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take some video of themselves 
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gantry, A10 metre gantry. 
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Olympic divers go off at the 
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Right. 
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along at home. 
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go to your local aquatic centre 
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the height, that's the toast, 
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Biggest one they jump at the 
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That's. 
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you head up to 21 metres for the
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so three times that for the men.
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explaining it to people on the 
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So the next day when the actual 
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boat hosting a range of people 
out on the boat having a good 

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time watching the divers do 
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But the day before when I was up
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on the boat at 5 metres you just
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It's that kind of level where 
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stress, but your knees are that 
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you're kind of like they're 
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27 metres, mate. 
You look at it and you go that 

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that's going to kill me. 
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It's not even a just. 
You wouldn't even, it's not even

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a thought process of jumping so.
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There's a reason that they have 
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the water. 
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They have divers, underwater 
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The thing that's really scary is
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water with a stretcher. 
What do you mean he that's his 

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whole good job for the day is a 
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to the gantry. 
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With an orange stretcher and 
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event. 27 metres is so do you 
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sort of a leftover of growing up
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football. 
I tend to measure things in Can 

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I kick a footy that far? 
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the football. 
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probably kick 40 metres, so the 
idea of someone jumping off 

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something that's 27 metres high 
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It really, it really is. 
It's absolutely nuts. 

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So we had a great, the weather 
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I think they got about 50,000 
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watch it. 
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But what I've got the week I hit
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everything's moving well. 
Thresholds improved at the same 

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heart rate of around 153. 
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seconds, but there is a bit of a
shoe story there, OK. 

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So we'll we'll touch on that 
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I kind of shade it a little bit 
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So the arrow is still pointing 
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Everything's going, everything's
going to plan now. 

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But what happened was I had two 
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running. 
I wasn't out at the beaches 

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where I normally stay at Coogee,
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something happened that annoys 
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It's when you're running, you 
run up, you know, I'm out for 

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quite an easy jog and I'm 
running up part, you know, at my

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easy pace. 
I'm still running past people. 

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And I was running across the 
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someone probably going about 
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move past pretty easy, and then 
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Do you have this problem? 
Do you have? 

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Well, no, because I don't. 
I don't run past people like 

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you. 
It's a. 

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Pet. 
It's a the the people I run with

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in my group. 
No, it's a pet gripe of mine 

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because in the re and there's 
nothing against someone, you 

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know, being competitive and 
wanting to have a run in that. 

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But it's a fact. 
I'm out for an easy run on my 

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own with my headphones in, 
listening to my music, just 

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wanting to cruise. 
And then, you know the feeling 

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when someone's just there and 
they're not moving, but you've 

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gone past them. 
I've gone, I've come up to them 

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at a pace where they've 
significantly speed up just to 

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run on my shoulder for the 
morning and but. 

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How long does this person right?
This, to me, is running 

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insanity. 
I'm not running quick though. 

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No, we're talking maybe I was. 
I was partner along, you know, 

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444, fifteen, 430 pace. 
Which, yeah, for some people out

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there is quick, but for you it's
not. 

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And for the people who are 
listening to this on your your 

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long run or or out on a run in 
general. 

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Gonna say he's a whining 
bastard. 

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Well, no, no, I look around you 
and think about doing it because

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I've this is this idea to me is 
insanity. 

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Why you would want to race up 
and run like if you've headed 

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out for a run by yourself, why 
you would want to do this to 

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someone is like you would never 
do this to someone if they 

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walked past you on the street. 
No, you wouldn't start walking 

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on the shoulder or breeze. 
Running. 

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Well, I kind of get it. 
It's like someone to pace you. 

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You're probably a bit of a 
challenge to hang on. 

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You're not running that pace. 
Why start running that pace? 

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Competitiveness, I suppose, but 
why? 

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It's not the fact that there 
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feeling of them there makes me 
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that little bit, which then 
takes it from being I'm out for 

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a casual run, not thinking about
it and enjoying my music, 

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enjoying my podcast, to suddenly
worrying about why someone's 

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hanging on to me. 
It happens on the Gold Coast too

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and we're running along the 
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Happens quite often. 
Really. 

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I've never encountered this 
before. 

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This is this is a genuine, This 
is a a new frontier in the 

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running world that's never been 
open to me before. 

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The idea of. 
Now you might be, you might be 

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the one I'm accusing, no? 
I've never done it to people and

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it's never happened to me. 
Now when I go out, if I'm out on

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a ride, I will. 
If there's a group that rides 

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past me, I'll jump on the back 
of that group for a couple of KS

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because I can, right? 
If there's a big, big group ride

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happening and you know, a group 
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me and I'm riding by myself, 
I'll tack on the back because 

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it's a bit of free speed for me 
for a couple of KS. 

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I'd I'd argue they probably 
think the same thing. 

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Yeah. 
Especially if they're a group, 

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you know, they're out right. 
And by themselves as a group of 

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six, they all know each other. 
That yeah, it's an interesting 

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one because it's neither right 
nor wrong, but. 

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That's I mean, I don't. 
That's just my opinion. 

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Yeah, it it, it's annoying. 
It's really, really annoying 

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when you're out having your nice
run, cruising along and then it 

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kind of got to work out. 
Do I speed up? 

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Do I stop for a drink and just 
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Because the pace differential at
that point isn't that different,

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right? 
And it also I, I just don't 

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wanna hand them out there. 
I don't want the hassle. 

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If I wanted to go for a run with
someone, I would be running with

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someone else. 
Is the. 

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Point. 
Pretty much, Yeah, exactly. 

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Pretty much that's. 
I've never heard of that before.

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I'm gonna keep an eye out for 
now. 

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You know what I'm gonna do it to
Somebody did decide to. 

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See. 
Yeah, this way. 

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Just be careful here on the Gold
Coast, you don't know what you 

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know. 
The the fellas running around 

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here are pretty built so they 
they wouldn't take it as. 

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The mileage is going up, you're 
getting into dust UPS on the 

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Sydney Harbour Bridge. 
Pretty much gonna check I'm 

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putting everything up on Strava,
so go and check us out there if 

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you wanna see the the nitty 
gritty of the week. 

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More fart lick, more insurance, 
and then the big news is summer 

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has hit with a vengeance. 
It is here. 

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It's here. 
It's here. 

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It is drip season. 
It is just. 

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So then that's I suppose caused 
another. 

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It's not a dilemma, but it's 
it's caused me to be spending 

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more money than I want to. 
What do you mean? 

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So getting up at 5:00 AM in the 
morning here at the house or 445

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or whatever, I want to get out 
and I'll head up, head up to the

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spirit out to the forest, 
whatever it is. 

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Can't wake the house up making a
coffee or anything like that. 

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So local, I've got my local 
stops at 7-11, you know, $2.00 

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coffee, UC app, dollar fifty 
coffee, great deal. 

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Nothing else is open that time 
of morning. 

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But here's where I'm spending 
more money than I should because

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with summer hitting this hard, 
I'm like, I want to have 

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something more than just the 
coffee and I want to have 

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something to come home with. 
I've always got Red Bull in the,

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you know, sure, if you've seen 
this in the back of my car is 

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always full of Red Bulls. 
So, you know, a bit of sugar 

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after training, a bit of glucose
is always sorted. 

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But when the weather's this hot 
and humid, we need something 

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more. 
Yeah. 

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So it's like, OK, what am I 
looking at buying? 

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So I've been buying a not a 
chocolate milk like a protein. 

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Protein, Protein. 
Milk like a sanitary Yeah, I 

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think it's like sanitarium up 
and go but like extra protein, 

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30 grammes of protein in it So 
one of them 490 yeah cheap 

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coffee, you know, dollar fifty 
and then I've been grabbing you 

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know, a bigger like maximus 
electrolyte too. 

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Right. 
So the two, yeah, I know. 

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They're the bigger talking about
good deal. 

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You get a bit more out of it 
than the than Gatorade and 

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Powerade. 
Yeah, for your money, you grab 

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two. 
Yeah, they're on sale. 

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So you grab two of them. 7 
bucks. 

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So basically every time you're 
going out for a run, you're 

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spending $15 at the moment. 
I'm going to have to go get 

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another job at the moment just 
to support my my service station

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habits so. 
Do you grab any actual physical 

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food? 
Like do you grab any of those 

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banana oat bars or something 
like that at a Mars bar as well?

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No, I don't. 
But I think these days, I mean 

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you can pretty much get all your
food from a servo if you want. 

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They're pretty decent. 
Like if you go to one of the 

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decent servos at the moment, you
know, they've got your 

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sandwiches, you've got your. 
I even saw the other day they've

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got the sushi triangles like you
get in Japan in there at the 

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moment. 
So there's plenty of options, 

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but the other option I'd look at
look, 'cause I'm, we've talked 

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about me really focusing on my 
protein at the moment too. 

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So the shake's easy and I get a 
bit of I like drinking it, but 

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you can also buy in there the 
Yoghurts. 

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You know, there's some. 
Fitness yoghurts in there that I

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think about 15 grammes. 
You ever run with baby food? 

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No, you've never done it. 
No, but but the smile on your 

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face? 
Yours. 

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So I don't. 
Know you've been stealing it out

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of the cupboard a few years ago 
I. 

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Don't know if I told the back 
when I got my half marathon PBA 

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couple, what was it probably a 
month and a half ago, two months

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ago now I they say what is a 
preparation? 

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Prior preparation prevents 
peace, poor performance. 

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I was not prepared because it 
was back in Adelaide and I 

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didn't have any gels or 
anything. 

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I what I would normally if I was
going out for a long run or in 

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the trails or whatever. 
And so I went to just a 

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supermarket the night before and
the closest thing I could find 

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was coming back to what we were 
talking about at the start, 

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Bluey chocolate custards. 
And that is what? 

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Bluey saved you. 
Yeah, Bluey. 

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Bluey was there for my PBI. 
Had two of these Bluey chocolate

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custard things and they were 
great. 

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They were literally. 
It was perfect for the half 

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marathon. 
But the reason I bring up baby 

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food is because a guy I know who
often runs trails and ultras and

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swears by, swears by it is a way
of getting. 

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I was talking to somebody about 
this just the other day about 

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getting actual sort of some 
proper food into you on these 

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ultra marathon type runs, 50K 
plus sort of stuff through the 

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mountains. 
And like he asked me, oh, when 

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you've done those races, what 
have you used? 

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And I've said, well, I've had 
physical honey sandwiches just 

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wrapped up in glad wrap. 
And because it's there's only so

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many lollies and good gels and 
all that sort. 

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Of too much sugar, you can just 
ingest sugar. 

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You need, I found that I needed 
something. 

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And so it was like peanut butter
sandwiches. 

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And by the time you've run 10 KS
with one of those in your 

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backpack, it's all squished up 
anyway. 

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It's just it's going in your 
mouth and you know, it all goes 

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down. 
Yeah, it all goes down. 

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The biggest shock I had around, 
and you're right, in insurance 

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races, solid food. 
But the biggest shock I had 

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around solid food was when I did
my First Coast to Coast. 

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At that stage I was still, you 
know, racing elite trying to 

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podium in it. 
And we got to the so coast to 

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coast obviously adventure race 
across New Zealand. 

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What do you start with? 
3K run off the beach. 

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Then you go into a 60K ride, 
which is a group ride, 30 

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kilometre trail run, which is a 
three hour run, solid back on 

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the bike for another 15 K time 
trial. 

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And then you jump in the kayaks 
for 70K SO70K downriver, you're 

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going to be in that cold. 
Well, my paddling standard, I'm 

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in there for, you know, 4 to 4 
1/2 hours. 

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The good guys are in there for 
around 4 hours now, when I 

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arrived at the transition 
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So this is probably a good five 
hours. 

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Six hours into the race, Into 
the race. 

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They were having pies. 
Yeah, sausage rolls and I felt 

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like I was missing out. 
And these aren't just like your 

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everyday athletes. 
There's like Braid and Curry who

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end up winning the race and, you
know, some of the best New 

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Zealand adventure races, They're
all tucking into these savoury 

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items and there I am still on my
goose and my everything else. 

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You know, no wonder I lost a 
bit, lost a bit of time in that 

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one. 
It's. 

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Just about fuel in. 
It's funny, I was talking to and

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this is for people out there 
running whatever level you're 

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running at today, even if you're
going out, I think there's a 

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we've, I think I might have 
mentioned it a bit on the last 

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week. 
A friend of mine's gone back to 

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square one with his running and 
he's targeting the Gold Coast 

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Marathon next year and he wants 
to run a good time, but he's 

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really gone all the way back to 
square one. 

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And one of the things that this 
guy who's helping him with his 

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training and his nutrition, all 
the rest of the cities, you're 

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just not eating enough. 
You were because we have often, 

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I think there's probably people 
out there running today 

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listening to this. 
If you are running, thinking I'm

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trying to lose weight as well. 
And Yep, it's about calories in,

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calories out, but you gotta, 
this is your, this is your car. 

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You've got to fuel it. 
You can't, you know, your body's

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not going to perform well if 
you're not putting enough into 

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it. 
You've got like you've just got 

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to put, you know, so stop 
worrying a bit so much about how

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you're going to look and start 
worrying about putting enough 

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into you so you can make the 
thing go. 

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That was a heavy point to make, 
that was. 

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A Well, no. 
Why are you making the point? 

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I'm thinking, you know, we did a
lot of name dropping last. 

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Week. 
Yeah, we did. 

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And. 
Shout out to all those people. 

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Yes, Yeah. 
We're not gonna name you again. 

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We're not gonna name you. 
Got that one for free? 

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No. 
But I'm I, I got to spend. 

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I was actually on the boat with 
Jess Hull. 

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What did we just say? 
What did we just say about no, 

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no, keep going. 
I love Jess. 

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Don't stop. 
Don't name drop. 

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So I'm kind of half thinking, 
you know, is this how secret is 

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this? 
But we were talking about long 

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runs because I I was gutted that
she was in town. 

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Yeah. 
And she went for a long run at 

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the Centennial Centennial Park 
on the weekend before she got on

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the boat with us to watch the 
Cliff diving. 

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And I'm like, oh, I was running 
around the harbour on my own 

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with this guy, kind of like 
breathing down my neck. 

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Would have been a much better 
conversation. 

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I probably wouldn't be able to 
keep up with Jess either. 

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But we talked about and she was 
saying about how she does feel 

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in her longer runs, fuels up. 
And I was saying it's beca like 

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for me, it's a bit of a habit 
from probably not to fuel up in 

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my long runs. 
Like I go out and have a coffee 

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and then I'll go out and run 
without anything for two to 

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three hours in the Bush. 
Water, nothing. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But I know it's not the right 

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thing to be doing, but it's just
habitual because there was a 

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period where we kind of went 
through endurance where we were 

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doing a lot of fasting. 
We're far. 

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We, we thought it was actually 
the right thing to go out and 

446
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,880
teach your body to fast and burn
fats. 

447
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,880
And I think, you know, my, my 
limited understanding of, you 

448
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,800
know, the full science of it now
is you're seeing all the hot, 

449
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,200
what you were talking about, all
the high, high carbohydrate 

450
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,800
stuff is that if you're going to
go out, make sure you fuel 

451
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,080
properly because then that 
allows you to recover best for 

452
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800
the next session and and so on. 
So yeah, so I was literally 

453
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,320
having this conversation on 
Sunday and. 

454
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,680
With Jess Hull With Jess Hull, 
Olympic silver medalist. 

455
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,720
You know what? 
That makes me feel really 

456
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,320
special. 
But but but just. 

457
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,440
Let's let's just and hopefully 
she doesn't listen to this. 

458
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,480
Shout out Jess. 
Yeah, shout out, but I did not 

459
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,960
have the heart to bring up our 
original. 

460
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,360
Conversation about the best 
known runners. 100%. 

461
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:18,280
No, you should have brought it 
up. 

462
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320
I I did not have the no. 
No, I thought, bring it up the. 

463
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,360
First time I've met her. 
I just thought let's leave this 

464
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,840
one for the key but but bring it
up. 

465
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,440
Yeah, I, I reckon the, I think 
we, the, my attitude is 

466
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,360
Courtney, anything we say here 
on this podcast is things I'd be

467
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,720
more than happy to say to people
in person. 

468
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,720
So you should have brought it 
up. 

469
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,920
Well, next time coming next 
time. 

470
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,960
Well, next time you know what? 
Organise a group run. 

471
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,680
Tell her next time she's on the 
Gold Coast, let's go for a Group

472
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,320
1 together. 
I'll enjoy that 1st 200 metres 

473
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720
with you guys and then watch you
disappear off down the beach 

474
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520
path. 
But after talking about it like 

475
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,360
we when we were talking about 
it, we said I like neither of us

476
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,560
had ever met her or didn't know 
her. 

477
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Yeah, and then you get to meet 
her. 

478
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,640
She was, absolutely. 
Lovely. 

479
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,000
So did she say what she fuelled 
up with on her long runs? 

480
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040
No, she didn't. 
No, I didn't let anything out of

481
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,680
the bag, but she fuel up. 
That was fuel. 

482
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Up. 
Yeah, yeah. 

483
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,680
See if it's good enough for an 
Olympic silver medallist. 

484
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,120
Should be good enough for you 
Well. 

485
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,680
I should be taking some other 
things, which means maybe 

486
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,480
looking for some snacks at the 
servo. 

487
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,800
Yeah, you're well. 
And the server, there's, there's

488
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,440
good stuff there. 
So what about your week mate? 

489
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,440
My arrow is pointing up as well.
Good to hear. 

490
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,680
I am I'm. 
I feel like I'm I'm running 

491
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720
again. 
I feel like I'm actually my 

492
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800
mileage is increasing. 
It's not at 100 KS but I reckon 

493
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,200
in the last I've run, what is it
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I've 

494
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:43,920
run five days consecutive at the
moment and really paring it 

495
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,120
back. 
I'm, I'm operating at the moment

496
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:51,320
with a running mantra of run 
fast, run slow to run fast. 

497
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:59,600
So I am really pulling back on 
my sort of everyday run pace 

498
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,120
wise, like I've probably run 3, 
4, four runs in the last five 

499
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,440
days have been no faster than 
515 pace. 

500
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,200
Like really pulling it back. 
And then this morning, the day 

501
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,480
of recording this, I went out 
and went right now I'm going to 

502
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,480
try and run fast. 
And I did some intervals. 

503
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,000
I did 51K intervals with A2 
minute rest. 

504
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,920
And then I did 52 hundreds with 
re 32nd rest in between and like

505
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,840
tried to sort of tax my legs a 
bit with some interval sessions 

506
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,960
to speed up. 
So yeah, I'm but I feel good. 

507
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,840
I'm really enjoying running 
again. 

508
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,280
Although getting back to what 
you said. 

509
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,560
Well, I did want to interrupt 
you. 

510
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,200
You saw me. 
Oh, yeah. 

511
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,160
Go. 
You did describe yourself as a 

512
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,160
run influencer the other week. 
That your team's got a sponsor 

513
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,840
now. 
Yeah. 

514
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,880
And AG one. 
Yeah, you just said. 

515
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,720
Oh, here we go in inverted 
commas, Yeah. 

516
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,120
To run fast. 
To run slow. 

517
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,760
Run slow to run fast. 
Run slow to. 

518
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,520
Run slow to run. 
Run slow to run fast. 

519
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,600
The reason I didn't get it right
is I think that is like a run 

520
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,000
influencer slogan. 
Is it? 

521
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,840
I think so. 
Oh, no, I think you've just 

522
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,680
gone. 
I think you've just ticked if we

523
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,480
said there was 10 things that 
you can say that makes you a run

524
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,120
influence, Run influence of 
bingo. 

525
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,960
I think zone 2, whatever you 
just run, run slow to run. 

526
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,040
Fast. 
Oh no, I've gone full run 

527
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,960
influencer wanker. 
Oh man, I'm sorry. 

528
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,440
You. 
Just you. 

529
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Just walked into it No, but you 
you you claimed you were you 

530
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,440
know I. 
Sponsored that is professional 

531
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,600
run influencer now. 
I mean, hey, look, the facts are

532
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,120
the facts, Courtney, but I feel 
like such a Dick head now. 

533
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,240
I'm I'm so glad you called me on
it. 

534
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,080
I would have been so angry if 
we'd got to the end of this and 

535
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520
then you'd told me afterwards. 
By the way, I'm so glad you 

536
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,960
called me on it. 
I apologise to everybody out 

537
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,800
there for using that phrase, but
that is the way I'm running at 

538
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,680
the moment. 
I'm hey, run however you want 

539
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:59,040
for me right now I am 
consciously running slower so 

540
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,440
that I can pick these days in my
week. 

541
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,920
And this is very much inspired 
by the. 

542
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Recovery base. 
What you told us or the other 

543
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,120
week about your sessions, right?
Have a speed session, Have a 

544
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,360
long run session. 
I am trying to plan my running a

545
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,000
bit like that at the moment, 
yeah. 

546
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,280
And to run more. 
So it would make sense what 

547
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,320
you're saying around making sure
you recover properly so that 

548
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,440
when you hit your intensity or 
you hit your goal sessions that 

549
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,600
you're getting the most out of 
them. 

550
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,520
Because that is the other 
pitfall you can fall into is 

551
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,320
just always running too hard. 
And then you just, you don't get

552
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680
that variance between it and you
also don't get to recover 

553
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,520
properly, which is the whole 
basis of the goal of putting 

554
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
together a week like we talked 
about that has structure and has

555
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,960
periodisation and has, has, you 
know, variances in, in what 

556
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,120
level of, you know, what level 
of pace, but also what level of 

557
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,280
physical nature it is. 
So I have run just quickly you 

558
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,200
and I actually you and I went 
for a trail run. 

559
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,280
Oh, we did. 
Too the other way the other day,

560
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,160
which is the first time we've 
been back up in the trail since 

561
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,040
we actually started this. 
Trail chat chats. 

562
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,280
Trail chats. 
And the irony is we started 

563
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,800
doing this because we used to go
for these trail runs together 

564
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,880
and have these chats. 
Well, this might be fun. 

565
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,960
That's the first trail run we've
gone for since we've started 

566
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,680
this podcast. 
Which is ironic, isn't it? 

567
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Yeah, but we went for that run 
and that was that was a little 

568
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160
over 11 KS can. 
You remember the main topic we 

569
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,360
what? 
What do we talk about? 

570
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:26,960
What was? 
I'll tell you what, we talked a 

571
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,800
lot about politics. 
OK. 

572
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,600
But the thing no, I'm coming 
back to that because you told me

573
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:38,960
a story on that trail chat that 
about how you used to pay your 

574
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,240
coaches as an elite triathlete. 
I do want to get if you're happy

575
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,400
to share that story. 
I think it's a ripping one. 

576
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,760
We're. 
We're an open book here, so. 

577
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
We're going to get to that, but 
so off the back of that run with

578
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,080
you, I then went for a slow 8K 
the next day. 

579
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,200
Then I got I. 
Then I went for the run in the 

580
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640
Salomon S Lab Spectres. 
Spectres, yeah. 

581
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,800
I've got a shoe review for you 
now. 

582
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,720
I had aspirations of making that
a long run, but off the back of 

583
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,120
the trail run and running the 
next day, I got 11 KZ into that 

584
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
and I was I'm I was cooked. 
That was Sunday morning. 

585
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,360
I was running to my daughter's 
nippers training and it was the 

586
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,840
humidity. 
It's been hot in Southeast right

587
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,120
now is is proper nuts. 
But in short, my week's going 

588
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,680
good, although I did have 1 
little hiccup where I went to go

589
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,960
for a run around Brizzy and. 
I saw this one, was this the 

590
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040
AKR? 
Yeah, let's be honest, we all 

591
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,120
like to look as much as you. 
You can be one of these people 

592
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,680
that says I don't care about the
opinions of others. 

593
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,000
I'm comfortable in my own skin. 
Sure. 

594
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Tell yourself whatever you want.
Ultimately, whether whether it's

595
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840
a massive part of it or whether 
you're at the big end of the 

596
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,880
spectrum or the small end of the
spectrum, we all care about how 

597
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,800
we look. 
A little bit for sure, right? 

598
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,480
Whether it's the tiniest bit, no
one doesn't care at all. 

599
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,960
Agree. 
We all care a little bit or a 

600
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,480
lot, and I care probably 
somewhere in the middle. 

601
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,080
I had to go for a run in what I 
have turned my backup hat. 

602
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,240
The other day I got out there 
stinking hot day in Brisbane in 

603
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,600
more my running kit and I 
normally just roll with a 

604
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,640
running cap on backwards. 
I didn't have one and it was it 

605
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,560
would have been irresponsible of
me to go out there without a 

606
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,560
hat. 
So I was forced to run in a wide

607
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,560
brim, like what you'd expect a 
50 year old hiker to be wearing 

608
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,040
a wide brim cap. 
And I ran in that and it was. 

609
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Something. 
Well, why do you have this cap 

610
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,800
then? 
Well. 

611
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Where, where, where else does it
get worn? 

612
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,240
I. 
Think I wore it as I think I 

613
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,480
bought it as like a camping hat.
I did think I bought it as like 

614
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,880
a sun smart camp. 
I wanted to show my kids, hey, 

615
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,800
it's important to be sun smart. 
And it's lived in the back of 

616
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
my, it's lived in my boot 
probably ever since. 

617
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,720
And I ran 8 KS around Brisbane 
with it. 

618
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200
And yeah, it was as embarrassing
as it sounds. 

619
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,000
So. 
And was it, was it only 8K 

620
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,280
because you wanted to get out of
the public eye? 

621
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,760
I wasn't happy with how I 
looked. 

622
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Now let's go back because I do 
want you to tell this story 

623
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,320
about what we talked about in 
the trails, if you're happy to, 

624
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,120
about when you're a professional
triathlete. 

625
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,840
I can't remember how we arrived 
at it, but you were telling me 

626
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,560
about when you were probably at 
your peak. 

627
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,160
I would guess I. 
Said it was my peak. 

628
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Yeah, and the interesting setup 
that you had with your coach at 

629
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,240
the time, how he got paid. 
Yeah. 

630
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,160
I mean, it wasn't just that 
coach at the time. 

631
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,760
So this was, I think we got into
it discussing tennis and the 

632
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:45,320
fact that coaches in tennis. 
I was, I think I was of the 

633
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,880
thought process. 
They don't really take a wage, 

634
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,360
they just take Commission on the
winnings of the players, which 

635
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,480
obviously can be very lucrative.
I don't know how true that is. 

636
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
That was just my gut feel of how
they'd work. 

637
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,080
And the reason I thought this 
was in when triathlon and when I

638
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,640
was in that area before we were 
in the Olympics or probably 

639
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,520
around the time we first got 
into the Olympics. 

640
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680
So it was probably more a pure 
professional sport. 

641
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,000
And I remember how we got into 
it. 

642
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,080
I said sometime we're talking 
about joining run groups or 

643
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,000
joining clubs. 
And I said I was out on my own 

644
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200
for so long, but you can't beat 
the group when they've got all 

645
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,480
the best in the world. 
We're talking about the 

646
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920
triathletes, Braden Mercer and 
those guys. 

647
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200
And I was saying we weren't sure
who he was training with. 

648
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,960
That's right. 
And I said when I was, you know,

649
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,160
similar age, I was trying to do 
it on my own. 

650
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880
And I, you know, I had people 
helping me. 

651
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
I'd swim coaches, run coaches, 
probably, you know, some of the 

652
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,960
best in the business. 
But at the time there was a 

653
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,000
group called Stewart's group, 
who is Miles Stewart's dad, who 

654
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,760
was a world champion in that 
day, went to the Sydney 2000 

655
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Olympics, the first Olympics. 
And it got to a point they had 

656
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520
literally, I'd say 6 out of the 
10 best in the world training 

657
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,920
with them as a group. 
And whatever I did, we just 

658
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,800
couldn't beat them. 
So at some point, I just had to 

659
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,840
go. 
I've got to join them. 

660
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Yeah, when and join them. 
It was the best decision of my 

661
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,680
life. 
Race the best I ever have. 

662
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840
It was fun. 
The training was great. 

663
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920
But the way they structured, I 
went into a professional 

664
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,840
environment. 
Right. 

665
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,560
So the way it was, and I can 
recall, you're either paid the 

666
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,720
coach. 
Let's just for argument's sake, 

667
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,280
there was a monthly U.S. dollars
you paid the coach and it would 

668
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,040
equate to let's just for 
argument's sake, say about 10 

669
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,040
thousand U.S. dollars a year or 
10,000 Australian dollars a year

670
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:43,680
at the time, or you didn't pay, 
but you paid a percentage of 

671
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,800
your prize money. 
Now the group was so strong, 

672
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,320
there were some races we'd go to
that the coach was being paid 

673
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,840
better than the 3rd place place 
getter because he was literally 

674
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,200
covering, you know, 6 to 8 of 
the top ten places in the race. 

675
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,240
And of course the 1st place when
he he'd win was a larger 

676
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,800
percentage. 
And you know, and I, you know, 

677
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,160
at the time I need you had to be
there to win. 

678
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,720
But over time, and I think this 
is where the conversation went, 

679
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,920
was I probably, that was 
probably part of the reason I 

680
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400
left in the end was, you know, 
there was a point where you were

681
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240
like, I improved. 
I got to the top of the tree. 

682
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,280
I was winning most of the time, 
which was all great. 

683
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,720
But then I it was probably a 
little bit to do with the money 

684
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,440
and it was also a little bit to 
do with ego. 

685
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,040
And that might have been a bit 
of the downfall going forward 

686
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,240
for years after that. 
But I kind of got to the point 

687
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,840
where I can do this myself and I
can keep all the money for 

688
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
myself, right? 
Because it's what you would you 

689
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,440
what you were doing as the, as 
you say at the top of the tree, 

690
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,240
the pick of the bunch. 
Because this So because it 

691
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,120
wasn't a case of once you'd paid
that, let's see if the if the 

692
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,720
annual fee was 10,000, it wasn't
a case of once you got to that 

693
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,320
10,000 in Commission, you 
stopped every time you won, you 

694
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,920
paid Commission. 
Yeah, you just so you could end 

695
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,199
up, you could end up paying him 
50 grand. 

696
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,440
And in a sense, what you're 
doing then is offsetting the 

697
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,560
less elite or less capable 
athletes within that squad. 

698
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,719
Yeah, who were getting the same 
level of training. 

699
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,280
But you're you're, you know, 
performing better. 

700
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120
You're performing better, but 
you're also essentially you're 

701
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:35,480
allowing, you know, potentially 
5-6 less talented athletes to, 

702
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,880
you know, yeah. 
And for young athletes, that, 

703
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,679
that when you're that young, it 
plays on your mind, right? 

704
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:47,920
So it wasn't, it wasn't that I 
would have been, I reckon 2021 

705
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,159
maybe. 22 when you joined. 
When I joined and how were you? 

706
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,440
Probably lasted about two years,
maybe 3. 

707
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,480
And so you left probably, let's 
say 2425. 

708
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,360
Yeah. 
And you reckon, OK, time again, 

709
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040
hindsight. 
Do you leave still? 

710
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Hindsight, I'd leave still, but 
with hindsight, the one thing I 

711
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,960
never regret it because I love 
the process of trying to work 

712
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960
everything out myself. 
Yeah, but if you said to me did 

713
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,920
I probably achieve everything I 
could have, I didn't because I 

714
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,560
didn't have I didn't really 
trust in the I didn't really 

715
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,560
give myself fully to help, 
right. 

716
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,960
So that's and like I said, no 
regret in doing that because. 

717
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,720
Yeah. 
I love the way my career was and

718
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,800
everything else, but probably to
really hit, you know, that 

719
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,280
pinnacle, you know, when I was, 
you know, probably more, one of 

720
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,600
the favourites in Beijing for 
the Olympics probably needed to 

721
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,880
go all in with help of someone 
really guiding me properly. 

722
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,000
This is this might seem like an 
absolute left hand turn. 

723
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,760
What is your take on Nick 
Kyrgios? 

724
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,360
The reason I ask is because the 
mentality you're displaying a 

725
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
little bit reminds me a little 
bit of. 

726
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,320
There's some elements that I see
and I don't know Nick, but from 

727
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,760
the way he presents in the media
and the way he approaches his 

728
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,960
career now, he has not been as 
successful in tennis from a 

729
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,480
winning perspective as you were 
in triathlon, although his bank 

730
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,520
balance would. 
Suggest suggesting he's doing a 

731
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160
bit better than me mate. 
But it's just that attitude, the

732
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,040
confidence that he has in 
himself at times and the comfort

733
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,520
that he has in his own mind with
the approach he has to his 

734
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,400
career. 
I I can see you having a very 

735
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,720
similar take on your your career
in triathlon. 

736
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Yeah, I mean, you can. 
I like it. 

737
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,320
He's his own personality, right?
He's The thing is, he brings it.

738
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,280
He brings attention. 
And you know, you might agree or

739
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,320
disagree with the way he brings 
the attention, but he's his own 

740
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,560
man, you know? 
Like no one's really going to 

741
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,720
tell him what to do. 
He he seems like he's right up 

742
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,280
Courtney Atkinson straight sorry
that was a bit of a left hand 

743
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,400
turn. 
It just jumped out to me. 

744
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,360
We're. 
Always happy to turn left here. 

745
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,240
Yeah, right. 
Yeah, I think, I mean. 

746
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,400
And is that the way? 
Is that the way There's two 

747
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480
types OK? 
Probably three types. 

748
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,200
There's the middle. 
The middle is people who are 

749
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,160
just happy to just go along, you
know, join groups, do it, 

750
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,600
probably don't really put in the
effort and they just go through 

751
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,880
it. 
There's the Super competitive 

752
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,000
people who really don't take 
into much consideration, I would

753
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,600
say or thought about. 
They just absorb everything 

754
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,000
around them, do everything 
they're told to do. 

755
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,720
And I think generally they are 
probably the most some of the 

756
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,640
most successful people. 
They surround themselves with 

757
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,880
that team and with that team of 
expertise. 

758
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,560
They get to the top. 
And then I think the third group

759
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,040
of people or through third group
of athletes are those who 

760
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,960
possibly the process of trying 
to work it out yourself is 

761
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,440
sometimes more exciting than 
actually someone handing you the

762
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,240
golden, golden egg. 
Yeah. 

763
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
And I would nearly, I'd go as 
far as saying to a degree, 

764
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,480
that's why I say I've got no 
regrets because even to today, I

765
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,400
still love the idea of the the 
the test understand again and 

766
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,360
the test I mean we. 
We are sitting here, we are you 

767
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,920
can explain in a podcast studio 
in your house, Courtney Angus 

768
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840
and that you have constructed 
yourself. 

769
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,080
Now I'm the blog that's been 
working in radio for 10 plus 

770
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,960
years. 
You've handed me the first time 

771
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,080
you're off the. 
Tools and this is I was saying 

772
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,040
before we started this might be 
the first time in in over 10 

773
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,840
years that I'm involved with a 
podcast a radio show or 

774
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,560
something that I'm not pushing 
the buttons on because you're. 

775
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,680
You see, I've got it two metres 
away from you too. 

776
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,520
So you can't? 
Yeah, because I can't reach it. 

777
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,840
My short little arms won't get 
there. 

778
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,240
When? 
When I don't record it properly 

779
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,520
though, then you're going to 
take it this. 

780
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,280
Is on you. 
This is for me, this is all kind

781
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,760
of responsibility today, but 
this is, I mean where we're 

782
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,200
sitting right now is evidence to
the fact that you that is still 

783
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,800
your mindset towards work and 
everything else I want. 

784
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,040
To learn it, you want to learn. 
I want to know how to do it. 

785
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:04,280
That is, and I might be about to
tick off another run Fluence of 

786
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,360
bingo thing, but it's beginner 
mindset, right? 

787
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,560
It's the I don't know 
everything. 

788
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,040
I'm not the smartest person in 
the room. 

789
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,600
And to go back to anybody that's
listening out there that's 

790
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
starting in their running or 
wants to take that next step in 

791
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,240
their run. 
Ask you don't have to know 

792
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:23,000
everything about it that I'm I'm
still the best thing I do with 

793
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,280
my running and you're an example
of this and other people are 

794
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,760
friends and is run with better 
people and more knowledgeable 

795
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,040
people about running is the best
way to learn about running. 

796
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,480
It's so good. 
Go and run with some different 

797
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:42,160
people that might run different 
might run more might run trails,

798
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,400
might run other places find go 
and if you do park run every set

799
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800
of go find another park run. 
Just try it. 

800
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Just mix. 
We talk about this a bit, mix it

801
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,520
up. 
Yeah, there's no right or wrong.

802
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Everyone that's, well, I think 
that's what we've just realised 

803
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680
is, is everyone's different, 
everyone's stick to your 

804
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,440
personality and whatever, 
whatever makes you tick and 

805
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,680
enjoy things is always going to 
be better than, you know, trying

806
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,280
to fight against something. 
That's how I. 

807
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,320
Figure it out. 
What was the poll this week? 

808
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,720
Courtney Atkinson. 
Yes, we, we discussed last week 

809
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,040
that we had kind of pencilled in
and I'm going to say pencilled 

810
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,560
our first runs for next year. 
You had the Noosa Ultra trail 

811
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,840
down and I said the Kinani or 
Mount Wellington Trail race down

812
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,160
in Hobart. 
Now we did. 

813
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,840
Two weeks ago you said you would
run Melbourne and then Sydney. 

814
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,920
Became a major. 
Major and you jump ship. 

815
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,680
I admit it. 
Yep. 

816
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,680
We've got the poll in this week,
67% are coming with me to Mount 

817
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Wellington. 
You're only going to get 33% of 

818
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,720
our audience to come and say get
A to you and Noosa. 

819
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:50,320
Do you want to change your mind?
Yeah, no, I'll, I'll stick with 

820
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,760
Noosa. 
Oh, look, Mount Wellington 

821
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,080
sounds unbelievable. 
That sounds unbelievable. 

822
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,040
I want to do them all. 
I want to do all these races. 

823
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,160
Yeah, I want there's there's. 
Let's see, hey, we might have to

824
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,720
twist your arm on this one. 
But it was this actually 

825
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,000
surprised me. 
I was thinking majority of 

826
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,320
people want to go to. 
Noosa. 

827
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880
Well, but maybe that's something
to do with, you know, people who

828
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,240
are following me and then the 
podcast and a little bit are, 

829
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,560
you know. 
I think I I again this comes. 

830
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,720
Totally different also. 
We've talked about this in with 

831
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,440
a lot of things is that I think 
we talked about a couple of 

832
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,400
weeks ago the idea that people 
want an excuse to go somewhere 

833
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,680
new, right. 
And I think Noosa for a lot of 

834
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,280
people is a lot more accessible 
and than Mount Wellington is. 

835
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,840
That's true. 
And so a reason to go to Mount 

836
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Wellington. 
And a picture tells us that. 

837
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,480
What do I say? 
Picture A picture tells 1000. 

838
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Words. 
Well, you keep going. 

839
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,840
I'll help you. 
You know Picture Paints 1000. 

840
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Words paints 1000 words. 
I did put up two pictures. 

841
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,720
I wasn't being biassed, but I 
did put up the beach. 

842
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,240
It is very flat around Noosa. 
That is one challenge for a 

843
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,400
trial race. 
There's not a lot of elevation 

844
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,920
and, and you know, people know 
for the beach, literally you're 

845
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,560
at the top of the, you know, all
the rocks, scaling up the rocks 

846
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,160
and you know, you can get snow 
ice. 

847
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,680
You know, it's a real adventure.
It's a very different run news 

848
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,320
series. 
News's Ultra trial is much more 

849
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,280
what you'd expect of the news 
scene to. 

850
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,800
End, but they were the results. 
The other thing that I've had 

851
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,840
plenty of people writing back 
that they're very excited that 

852
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,600
we're petitioning, petitioning 
for a Clydesdale category in 

853
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,800
marathons. 
Now I did read in America some 

854
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160
marathons do have a Clydesdale 
and Athena category. 

855
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,760
Good. 
Was that the right Athena? 

856
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,880
So they do, they exist, but I'm 
still to see it here in 

857
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Australia, so let's go. 
Bring it in. 

858
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Some of the some of the big 
fellas, Yeah. 

859
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,000
And when we said big fellas, big
bone fellas. 

860
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,720
It's not, it's, it doesn't take 
a lot to be over 100 kilos. 

861
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,880
And what I mean, like if you're 
6 foot three, you're doing well 

862
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,800
to be under 100 kilos, then 
you're a big human, right? 

863
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Especially if you're doing high 
rocks as well. 

864
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,760
And if you're, yeah, if you're 
carrying a bit of muscle around 

865
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,080
you or you grew up playing footy
or whatever, chances are you're 

866
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,920
going to be 100 kilos. 
That doesn't mean it doesn't 

867
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080
mean you're fat or you're out of
shape, you're overweight or 

868
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,080
anything like that. 
It's just your shape. 

869
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,680
I want to see it. 
I want to actually. 

870
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,240
I think it'd be a really 
interesting race to watch. 

871
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,160
I would be outside of the elites
winning it. 

872
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,560
That would actually be the most 
exciting. 

873
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
That would be the most exciting 
category for me to watch in a 

874
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,440
race. 
Yep, give them it. 

875
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,280
Really would be. 
Give them a specially branded 

876
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,120
bib so that you know and you can
cheer and. 

877
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,160
It's like, it's like, you know, 
like a horse race. 

878
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,040
You literally can get out, bet 
on them, Yeah. 

879
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Well, we give in the Tour de 
France, you get a yellow jersey 

880
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,200
for the overall winner and then 
you get a polka dot jersey for 

881
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,520
the best climber. 
Let's get let's get something 

882
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,080
that makes these these 
Clodsdales and Athenas we're. 

883
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,640
Going to keep on this stand out 
so I can cheer on going away. 

884
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,120
I'm trying to think of, I'm 
trying to think of like a furry 

885
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,640
bib or something for the 
Clodsdales. 

886
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Like I'm quite figured out yet, 
but I'll get there. 

887
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600
I'll get there. 
Yeah. 

888
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,120
Look, it's. 
Yeah, we're. 

889
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,600
I'm. 
I'm not surprised you meant 

890
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Wellington won because you fixed
it. 

891
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,360
You posted a picture that 
benefited yours. 

892
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,920
I'll get my own back. 
That's fine. 

893
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,840
I'll get my own back. 
Would you like a shoe review? 

894
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,840
Let's do it. 
Would you like a shoe review? 

895
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,400
I wouldn't. 
So I've gifted you the Well, I 

896
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,360
didn't gift it to you, Salomon. 
Salomon. 

897
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Gifted you a S Lab Spectre and 
this is the shoe that is 

898
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:39,040
marketed at the more 3 to 3 1/2 
hour marathoner. 

899
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,160
So carbon plate chew quite a 
heel. 

900
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,440
What's what's your thoughts? 
Honest thoughts. 

901
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,600
Yeah, yeah, No, I've and what I 
promised to do to the in the 

902
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,080
beginning podcast community is 
to never bore you with science 

903
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
and to never lose you in the 
detail. 

904
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,360
And these is, this is how I'm 
going to bring you any gear 

905
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,360
review that I do. 
These shoes, the Salomon S Lab 

906
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:15,280
Spectre, these are the shoes you
get if you've decided, Yep, I've

907
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,640
been running, I'm enjoying 
running. 

908
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,320
I've got room to grow as a 
runner and I'm backing myself to

909
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,840
be an athlete. 
This is the shoe. 

910
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,520
These shoes are the bike you get
after you've learned to ride 

911
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,440
without training wheels. 
So like it. 

912
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Basically the idea of we all 
remember when we learned to ride

913
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,760
a bike. 
I still remember when I learned 

914
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
to ride a bike. 
I was in the backyard, my 

915
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,760
brother was teaching me and I 
remember the first time he 

916
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,840
pushed me across. 
We had a little tennis court in 

917
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,600
the backyard. 
He essentially pushed me across 

918
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,200
the half court tennis court. 
And I remember the I still to 

919
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,720
this day remember the feeling of
getting across diagonal to 

920
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,800
diagonal and like falling over 
on the grass and going, I can 

921
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,560
ride a bike. 
It was amazing that feeling, 

922
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,560
right? 
You learn to ride it with 

923
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,440
training wheels, then you learn 
to ride without training wheels.

924
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,880
You take them off and you're 
wobbly. 

925
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,400
And if you ride your bike enough
after that point, your parents 

926
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,040
go, let's get this kid a new 
bike because chances are it's a 

927
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,360
hand me down or whatever. 
And then your parents go, right?

928
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,280
It's time for you for your bike.
It's time for you to get your 

929
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
bike. 
That's what these shoes are. 

930
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Because as I was running these, 
I did an 11K run on the Sunday 

931
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,800
and I found myself thinking, I 
feel like an athlete in these 

932
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,400
shoes. 
I feel like Hawkers, Kayanos, 

933
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,520
John Nimbus. 
There's lots of foam. 

934
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,640
There's, there's, it's a wide 
landing base, right? 

935
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,840
There's a lot of shoe 
underneath, underneath you. 

936
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,120
You don't feel like you're going
to roll an ankle in those shoes 

937
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520
because there's a heap of foam. 
He's kind of like landing on a 

938
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,840
surfboard. 
Do you feel like you can feel 

939
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,880
the ground in those shoes or you
just feel the foam? 

940
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
I feel like you just kind of 
land, you don't feel the ground 

941
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,440
a lot. 
But there was one point on this 

942
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,000
run and, and these, I found 
these, the, the Spectres don't 

943
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,800
have that flat safety sensation,
right? 

944
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,920
And I found myself running in 
these shoes and because of the 

945
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,360
way they were performing and 
there is a carbon plate in them.

946
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
So I was getting a nice bit of 
response for them and I've kind 

947
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,720
of felt myself going, I feel 
like an athlete in these shoes. 

948
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,720
I feel like I'm capable of more 
in these shoes now. 

949
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,720
In the same way your mum and dad
don't go out, once you've 

950
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:38,160
learned to ride a bike and buy, 
buy you a $5000 Cannondale or, 

951
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,640
you know, Canyon or whatever it 
is, they go and buy you, you 

952
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,840
know, your bike, the bike that 
you're going to ride lots, you 

953
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,880
know, need to go and buy the 
Nike Alpha Flies or the ASICS 

954
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,680
Meta Speed, whatever. 
You don't need to go and jump up

955
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,600
to that ultimate super shoe. 
These are the shoes. 

956
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,160
I think if you're in that part 
of your running journey, that's 

957
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,000
where I'd put these shoes. 
You're right. 

958
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,400
That's how I would describe 
these shoes. 

959
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,880
I really like running them and I
could see myself. 

960
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,280
But but honest, honestly 
feedback if you were to because 

961
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,360
you've run in some of the other 
ones if you were to go and do 

962
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,240
the marathon. 
I don't reckon I'd run as fast. 

963
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,680
Right? 
So I ran the Goldie marathon in 

964
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,800
my meta speeds. 
Yep. 

965
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,720
I don't reckon I'd run as fast 
in the in the spectres. 

966
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,040
In the Spectres, no, I don't 
reckon they're as fast as shoe. 

967
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,840
You might you might be ready 
made to go under 3 hours, that's

968
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,920
why. 
Maybe, but that's just like the 

969
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,480
the meta. 
Speeds feel like a race shoe. 

970
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,200
A race shoe that feels like 
something you you need to run 

971
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080
fast. 
I've never run an alpha flies or

972
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,800
vap flies so I can't comment. 
This feels like a step back 

973
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,320
speed wise for me. 
Yep, but a great shooter running

974
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,200
well. 
Interesting, I really enjoyed. 

975
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,320
Them I didn't let you have all 
the fun. 

976
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,840
Are you running them as well? 
I grabbed a pair for myself. 

977
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,080
OK, what do you think? 
So I've been, I, I mentioned it 

978
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,400
earlier about I had an increase 
in my threshold last week and I 

979
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,320
did wear these shoes down at 
Pizzi Park. 

980
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,320
And I agree they are, it's, 
they're really quite an 

981
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,960
interesting shoe. 
So where I see them fit is 

982
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,920
they're actually a really good 
responsive trainer. 

983
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,920
So I'd wear them for my fast 
work in training because 

984
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,120
obviously go to a full plated 
shoe in training or you know, 

985
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,240
some of those are quite build 
up, quite expensive as well. 

986
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,280
Not that these aren't expensive.
I think they're that retails 

987
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,520
still for like 350. 
Bucks or 350? 

988
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,440
However, what I did notice, they
reminded me because I used to 

989
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,840
run a lot in Nike and they 
reminded me a bit of a Pegasus 

990
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,840
back in the day. 
So what what I've got a lot of 

991
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,880
not just plated shoes, but you 
talked about all those thick 

992
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,920
foam shoes these days, whether 
it's New Balance or you know, 

993
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,640
I've got some of the Solomon 
ones with the thick like they're

994
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,280
called Ultra Glide in Solomon, 
Nike Invincibles or another one.

995
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,600
When you landed them, you just 
feel the rubber. 

996
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,960
It's like you've, it's like 
you're on top of a big Jelly. 

997
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,200
There's not a lot of ground like
contact field. 

998
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,720
What these ones had and what I 
kind of liked about it kind of 

999
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,720
they were bit nostalgic nearly. 
They've got the plate. 

1000
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,520
They were obviously helping me. 
I'm I'm improving each week, but

1001
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,240
they were obviously made me run 
a little bit quicker than what I

1002
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,880
was running in the week before. 
But they I felt like my foot was

1003
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,680
able to move. 
I felt like I could feel the 

1004
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,040
ground and I felt like I was 
literally running. 

1005
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,400
Like I said, it was nostalgia 
for me. 

1006
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,440
It was the IT was had a bit of a
feeling of the shoe of old and I

1007
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,680
liked it. 
Not going to race in it. 

1008
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,240
That's my honest like I wouldn't
be racing in that one. 

1009
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,240
I did go actually, funny enough,
I'm sitting here and I've got a 

1010
00:50:52,240 --> 00:51:00,280
pair of the Addy that the TE so 
Adidas Terex kind of like the 

1011
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,400
trail shoe equivalent of the 
Adidas. 

1012
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:09,840
So a friend of mine down in 
Sydney who's injured said, well,

1013
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,640
I'm injured, go and give these a
burl. 

1014
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,680
So a plate. 
They're a plated trail shoe. 

1015
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Yeah, so, but look at how thick 
they are. 

1016
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,120
So there's a plated trail shoe. 
I'm interested in giving these a

1017
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,880
whirl against, you know, some of
like the Solomon shoes, like I 

1018
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,200
said. 
There's a lot of rocker in that,

1019
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,680
like there's. 
Yeah, I mean, I only, I don't 

1020
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,120
want to wreck the shoes on him, 
so I'm only going to do, I'll do

1021
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520
a quick, you know, yeah, 10K in 
the morning ever just to get a 

1022
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,600
feel. 
But like I said, it's good to 

1023
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,720
know what's out there. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1024
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,840
Yeah, as well. 
But what I'm saying with this 

1025
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,400
one is I'm expecting that to 
feel like a lot of rubber when 

1026
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,600
you. 
Yeah, it looks like. 

1027
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,200
A lot of rubber. 
How's that? 

1028
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,760
How that's going to go on a 
technical trail doesn't, I don't

1029
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,120
know. 
But what I did like about this 

1030
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,880
Spectre was exactly that. 
It was a nostalgic run for me 

1031
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,920
with speed. 
Yeah, that's how it felt. 

1032
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,080
I. 
I again, I think for people out 

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,520
there not at your level, my 
level, I think you'll feel like 

1034
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,840
an athlete in these shoes. 
That's the one that was my 

1035
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,720
takeaway. 
I found myself. 

1036
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,080
I feel like an athlete in these 
shoes. 

1037
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,960
I don't feel like it's a I'm 
getting, it's a cheat shoe. 

1038
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,800
I don't feel like I'm helping 
with all these. 

1039
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,720
I feel like an athlete in these 
shoes. 

1040
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,400
I loved them though. 
It was good running. 

1041
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,160
I'll definitely find a way. 
I'll work them into my 

1042
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,720
interesting note today. 
When I went out for my speed 

1043
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,960
intervals, I was back in my 
Adidas, the Boston Elevens. 

1044
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,640
Boston Elevens. 
Yeah, I was back in. 

1045
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,080
I've still feel that's the show 
around the half marathon and 

1046
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,760
they feel like my far shoes. 
At the moment that yeah, that's 

1047
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,480
what feels. 
Good my far shoe, but I'll give 

1048
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,880
the the Salomons a try next 
time. 

1049
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520
We're all a speed session I. 
Got a new quiver like literally 

1050
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,040
last week, got a brand new 
pretty much of a few different 

1051
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,960
pairs of shoes that I like and I
I swap and change all the time 

1052
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,000
when never can work out exactly 
and depending on how I'm where I

1053
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,880
am in my running phase also 
depends on what shoes I choose. 

1054
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,200
So when I'm feeling not great 
and I'm running a bit heavy, I 

1055
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,400
do tend to go towards those more
cushion shoes when I'm, I 

1056
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,280
suppose, starting to get on my 
toes a bit more. 

1057
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,920
That's why I was liking them 
last week. 

1058
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,800
The spectres when I'm on my toes
a bit more on that, I start to 

1059
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,480
go towards, funny enough, a 
little bit of a harder compound.

1060
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,760
I like I I still like the ground
feel. 

1061
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,120
I know that doesn't go perfectly
with the new age of, you know, 

1062
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,320
soft and recovery and all that, 
but I, I still feel better 

1063
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,120
running when I my foot, I can 
feel my foot on the ground, feel

1064
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,400
my foot movement. 
And I reckon if you're listening

1065
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,520
out, they're going, oh, yeah, I 
want to be like Courtney and I 

1066
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
want ground feel. 
Just keep in mind Courtney's 

1067
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,240
essentially been a professional 
athlete for the better part of, 

1068
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,960
what, 25 years or so, give or 
take? 

1069
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,840
Yeah, give or take. 
I reckon that is evidence of the

1070
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,760
the conditioning your body has 
gone through over the years. 

1071
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,120
You don't need that softness in 
your shoes. 

1072
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,840
No, that's, that's, that's what 
it says to me there. 

1073
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,640
Well. 
That was good. 

1074
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,720
I'm glad. 
Glad you asked quickly, your 

1075
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,120
little doohickey in front of 
you. 

1076
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Does it tell you how long we've 
been rolling? 

1077
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,040
It does. 
How long we've been going? 

1078
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,640
54 minutes. 
OK, this is great because the 

1079
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,840
reason I asked not to wrap us 
up, but because share that 

1080
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,760
Graham Snow, who is a fellow 
who's been listening to the 

1081
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,600
podcast and he has set himself 
the challenge this week to run 

1082
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,440
for the duration of an episode. 
He knows we've been hitting 

1083
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,080
about the hour mark on an 
episode. 

1084
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,000
We're gonna go a bit longer. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1085
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,480
But I just want to give him a 
shout out. 

1086
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Snowy, keep on pushing. 
We we're not done, but you've 

1087
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,360
still a little bit to go. 
Yeah, well, we'll help you just 

1088
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,280
increase that mileage just 
really slightly this week, I 

1089
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,160
reckon. 
We did have another question 

1090
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,000
that I found interesting from 
Brett Quayle. 

1091
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,480
He's been, he's definitely one 
of the more active crew on on 

1092
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
the OG. 
So his question was, can I ask 

1093
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,200
what your thoughts are on how 
important gym and strength 

1094
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,800
training is to go with your 
running? 

1095
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,600
I'm glad you asked, Brett. 
That was the first part of the 

1096
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,720
question and then the second 
part. 

1097
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,360
Also, any advice for people who 
are injured and trying to come 

1098
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,080
back from running? 
As I know a lot of people have 

1099
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,560
trouble coming back from 
injuries, so they're kind of the

1100
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,560
same question. 
Not the same question, but I can

1101
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,600
answer it through the same kind 
of leads. 

1102
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,800
Then you just say, love the 
podcast, Jans Look forward to it

1103
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,160
coming out every week. 
So we've kept our weekly 

1104
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,480
schedule so far. 
No, we're sticking with it. 

1105
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,480
And and Brett, I know this 
question is not directed to me, 

1106
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,480
so I'm going to shut up now. 
Well, you're welcome. 

1107
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,560
You're welcome. 
To no you're. 

1108
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,240
You're pretty build over there. 
Well, you got some, yeah. 

1109
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,360
I'd like to like to shed some of
it. 

1110
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,600
But anyway, talk to talk to us 
all about strength training 

1111
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,720
because I say that this quickly.
I see the friends of mine that 

1112
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,600
are trying to get into running 
who are of our age. 

1113
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,000
I say, yeah, great, running's 
awesome. 

1114
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,280
You need to do strength training
too because if you try and run 

1115
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,080
too much your body will break 
down because you're however old 

1116
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,120
you are and you're not used to 
running. 

1117
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,240
Yeah, I I agree. 
You've got you. 

1118
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,040
I think it's important to be 
doing something and I think 

1119
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:07,400
something is a of what you know,
it's a wide world wide word on 

1120
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,280
purpose because I always come 
back to. 

1121
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,600
So the simple way I look at 
things, right? 

1122
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,440
It's all about consistency. 
So whatever you want to do 

1123
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,960
specifically if your goal is to 
run, the key thing that's going 

1124
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,080
to help you is running. 
Yep. 

1125
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,480
OK, So depending on how much 
time you got, first and 

1126
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,800
foremost, I would always 
prioritise running. 

1127
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,560
OK, So then if you've got more 
time on top of that to do 

1128
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,640
something else, of course 
strength work in gym is going to

1129
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,760
help. 
What you do within that strength

1130
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,200
work in gym probably is very 
individual. 

1131
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,840
At the basic level, I think 
activation work. 

1132
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,480
And when I say activation work, 
you don't have to go straight to

1133
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,760
the gym and start lifting, you 
know, doing squats with weights,

1134
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,400
doing deadlifts with weights, 
split squats and all, all like, 

1135
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,920
because that when you say gym, 
that's what I think a lot of 

1136
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,760
people are thinking, go straight
to the gym and lift like to 

1137
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,320
build body mass. 
When we say activation work, it 

1138
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,760
can be, you know, it's like 
bridges, it's core work. 

1139
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,360
You know, at the moment, an 
exercise I just started doing 

1140
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
off the back of the rehab I was 
doing, which I've never really 

1141
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,760
had much experience with, was is
like a lateral step up. 

1142
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,800
So you know, simply having a 20 
centimetre step, but instead of 

1143
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,320
like doing step UPS front, you 
know, front ways and back ways 

1144
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,080
like a box jump, just simply 
step out to the side holding a 

1145
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,040
weight in the opposite hand. 
It's an amazing exercise to 

1146
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,160
engage your glute and really 
start. 

1147
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,240
So that's trying to work on the 
stability through the hips. 

1148
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,920
Like we always say, go and get 
professional like you've got to 

1149
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,160
work with someone and get the 
advice or if you want to YouTube

1150
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,800
it or Google it, go ahead too. 
But for me, the key one would be

1151
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,920
activation. 
And if you can activate and do 

1152
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,680
some of those things before you 
go out to run, I think that's 

1153
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,400
probably the key way to like 
help at least try and avoid some

1154
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,960
of those injuries. 
The funny part about this is I 

1155
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,840
told you this on one of our 
trail runs one day that I have a

1156
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,200
it's weird the things that take 
hold in your brain that for 

1157
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,880
whatever reason you read it or 
you hear it or you see it and it

1158
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,640
just lives there forever. 
This is years before I met you. 

1159
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,800
I was still living in Sydney and
I have this weird memory of you 

1160
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,720
must have been on your Instagram
showing your pre run warm up 

1161
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,400
routine. 
I remember this I think it was 

1162
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
might have been for boss hunting
or one of the for something one 

1163
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:39,920
of the. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1164
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:45,840
And you showed and it was those,
it was the step out to the side 

1165
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,840
and drop down on that one leg 
side lunges, I guess, for lack 

1166
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480
of a better term. 
Yep, he did some walking lunges 

1167
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,520
and it was this whole. 
Would have been would have been 

1168
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,800
a Swiss, like a bridge on a 
Swiss ball lifting each leg 

1169
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,520
individually. 
That was a big one we did. 

1170
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Over the years maybe I can't 
remember you having a Swiss ball

1171
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,360
so. 
Like some really quick 

1172
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,520
activations that I reckon I can 
recommend. 

1173
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,640
And I mean, there's a range you 
can this, yeah, probably find 

1174
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,720
thousands of them on the net. 
But the ones I like, it's using 

1175
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,520
a like a rubber band or an 
elastic and just simply doing, 

1176
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,280
you know, sidestepping and then 
front stepping and backwards. 

1177
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200
You know, you can do it. 
You can always have that in the 

1178
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,280
car and do it before you run. 
Lay down on your back and do a 

1179
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,480
bridge and just simply lift, 
keep your hips level, lift it 

1180
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,560
up, like one leg up, the other 
leg up, keep your hips level, 

1181
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,440
hold it, do a few different 
ranges of that. 

1182
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,880
The next step up of that is 
actually to use a Swiss ball. 

1183
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
So then you've got to stabilise 
through upper body. 

1184
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,880
So that's probably been the key 
exercise over the years that 

1185
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,480
I've done. 
And the brilliant part about 

1186
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,960
this was when I brought this up 
with you the first time, you 

1187
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,160
laughed and said I can't 
remember, I don't reckon I've 

1188
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,040
done those activations. 
Well, right at the right at the 

1189
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,320
moment I can remember because 
missing them for the, you know, 

1190
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,920
the past three years or really 
being neglectful of anything, I 

1191
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,640
just just tried to run. 
It finally caught up on me. 

1192
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,080
It worked for a while, but it's 
caught up on me and I'm back to 

1193
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,960
doing, you know, I'm calling it 
rehab because it's working off 

1194
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,960
an injury we talked about. 
Advice from an injury, but 

1195
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,200
that's how I'm coming back from 
the injury, as well as doing the

1196
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,360
same activations that you should
be doing before you run, whether

1197
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,280
you're injured or not. 
Yeah. 

1198
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,680
To maintain. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1199
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,000
Yeah. 
No, I'm look. 

1200
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,560
I mean, we could do this, you 
could talk for hours on that, 

1201
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,360
but I think that's the key. 
Next level up is strength 

1202
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,360
training. 
But I'm all from hopefully by 

1203
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
now this consistency of what I 
talk about is coming through 

1204
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,560
that for unless you're a full 
time professional athlete, 

1205
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,360
prioritise what's important to 
you. 

1206
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,640
I would much rather you like 
yourself, go to the skate park 

1207
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,720
with the kid, yeah. 
Then go to the gym on your own. 

1208
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,000
What what I'll say to people out
there and average runners like 

1209
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,200
me, I've got a really simple it 
takes me 15 minutes to do when I

1210
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,920
do it, and I haven't done it 
much of late. 

1211
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,840
But when I was recovering from a
calf injury and trying to up my 

1212
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,640
my load, I was trying to run 
more than I'm used to. 

1213
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:14,960
Heavy dumbbell and calf raises, 
bent knee calf raises. 

1214
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,280
So you're working the two 
different muscles in your calf 

1215
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,680
and and squats like that. 
Those three exercises for me has

1216
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,880
gives me enough strength through
my legs to run as much as I want

1217
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,640
to run at the moment. 
And it's like, and that that'll 

1218
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,320
take you 15 minutes at home. 
And that's the key, right, too 

1219
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,400
is how much do you need to do 
just to make sure you can do 

1220
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,480
what you need to do. 
At the moment, there's no, 

1221
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,120
there's some of that's trial and
error, right? 

1222
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,040
Yeah. 
But for me? 

1223
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,800
Thank you for the question 
though, Brett. 

1224
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,560
We appreciate it. 100% and let 
us know if that if this probably

1225
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,520
presents more questions and 
answers like I said you could, 

1226
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,360
but I'll go go to someone that 
can help you and just look at 

1227
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,760
your technique and and do that 
or someone expertised in that 

1228
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,680
area as well, but. 
Go to your run Dr. Yeah, go to 

1229
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,480
the run Dr. The key though is 
still the longer you can run 

1230
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,080
uninjured. 
Yep, consistently at a level you

1231
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,280
can maintain. 
That's going to be the biggest 

1232
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,760
improvement. 
Training for something so 

1233
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,360
simple. 
Best thing you can do is get to 

1234
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,880
the start line uninjured. 
Yep. 

1235
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,720
So I think we've got let's, 
we've got time for, we're going 

1236
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,360
to try something. 
We've got time for a we've I've 

1237
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,680
been looking at IG reels a lot 
lately and. 

1238
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,560
Instagram for the old people out
there. 

1239
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,560
Yeah, Instagram Reels. 
There's a lot of, I think it's 

1240
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,040
finally coming full circle. 
There's a lot of parody, yeah, 

1241
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,240
on running at the moment we have
now coming through. 

1242
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,240
We've hit the pit, we've hit, 
we've hit, we've hit piss take 

1243
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,720
mode, we have. 
Yeah. 

1244
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,640
And I don't think that means the
bubbles burst. 

1245
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,840
If anything, it means it's kind 
of the running culture is now 

1246
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,600
hitting mainstream culture. 
Yes, because now it is being. 

1247
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:01,960
The everyday Joe or Jill are and
take the piss out and take the 

1248
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,920
piss and runners and it's 
getting funny. 

1249
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,840
So what do you reckon we do? 
The well, we'll do one this 

1250
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,840
week, 1 next week we've got 
Strava or the run around 

1251
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,920
Australia. 
I think running around Australia

1252
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,440
is is probably more is where we 
want to go because it relates to

1253
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,920
something we talked about a 
couple of episodes back around 

1254
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,960
Ned Brockman and the fame that 
he has. 

1255
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,800
We talked about the Lambros 
brothers as well. 

1256
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,760
And I think this Instagram rule 
you're about to share with 

1257
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,880
everybody just takes the piss 
beautifully. 

1258
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,200
Well, let's see if I can. 
Let's see if I can actually get 

1259
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,320
this to work. 
No, good luck, it's not a strong

1260
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,160
stuff. 
Yeah, not a single annoying car.

1261
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,040
Day 100 of running across 
Australia. 

1262
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,880
Thank you everyone for being a 
part of this journey. 

1263
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,400
It means so much to have your 
support and raise so much money 

1264
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:47,200
for such. 
What's he doing? 

1265
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,120
I think he ran across Australia.
Oh guys, thanks so much baby. 

1266
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,000
Give me a big moment. 
What do you do? 

1267
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,880
Get up. 
I just ran across Australia for 

1268
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,200
charity. 
Oh, you're Ned Brockman? 

1269
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,800
No. 
He was so impressive. 

1270
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,480
One of the Lambros guys. 
No, no. 

1271
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
You're both of them, yeah. 
I mean, where's the crowd in my 

1272
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,240
finish line? 
Are you Catman? 

1273
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,960
Who? 
OK, how much did you raise? 

1274
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,240
135 bucks but I had to buy 
Powerade so 650. 

1275
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,520
Which charity? 
Barley. 

1276
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,960
Barley what trip? 
I'm going soon. 

1277
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,120
Where's the news? 
I mean, I have two broken legs. 

1278
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,200
They're probably a Ned's thing. 
We. 

1279
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,320
Got the first two people to not 
run across the country. 

1280
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,080
Well, yeah, it took a lot of 
dedication. 

1281
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,480
We just want it to be different 
you. 

1282
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Know. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1283
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,880
For charity. 
Oh, you're kidding. 

1284
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,280
We're done, guys. 
That's day 120. 

1285
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,920
Oh see, everyone's doing. 
It running across Australia back

1286
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,560
oh. 
Thanks for coming. 

1287
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,920
Means the. 
World, you guys Mum. 

1288
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,360
I'm gonna be on the news 
tonight. 

1289
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,680
Yeah, I know 6 but I. 
Couldn't have done it without 

1290
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,680
you. 
Price. 

1291
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,640
Are you one of the? 
Lambros No, no, he's both. 

1292
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Fuck. 
This. 

1293
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,720
I'm doing it again. 
I'm running across Australia and

1294
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,960
back. 
You guys gonna be when I get 

1295
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,760
back? 
Alright guys, day one of run 

1296
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,600
across Australia again, but this
time I'm gonna hold my breath. 

1297
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,840
The whole holding his breath 
didn't run across Australia. 

1298
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,440
Spotted. 
Yeah, we're on the news. 

1299
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,760
It is so good. 
That is so good. 

1300
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,880
The kicking forward guys are 
brilliant. 

1301
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,560
I, I love, I think they've got a
really nice beat on taking the 

1302
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,480
peace out of sport in 
particular. 

1303
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,040
Yeah, we've, we've, I mean, 
we've talked a lot about this, 

1304
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:11,520
this area and we, I, I, I, I, 
someone could be running across 

1305
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,080
Australia backwards right at the
moment. 

1306
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,680
I think there's someone running 
across Australia barefoot and 

1307
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,840
where's it stop, mate? 
Where's it stop? 

1308
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,360
And Lucky McIntyre as well. 
And he, he was doing some stuff 

1309
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,480
for Red Bull down at Cliff 
Diving on the weekend. 

1310
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,680
He's a, he's a funny guy. 
I think that's why it popped 

1311
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,560
into my. 
Yeah, popped into my. 

1312
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:33,560
Story that is a perfect, that is
a perfect piss take of running 

1313
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,360
at the moment from an ultra 
perspective because it is just 

1314
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,840
I, I laugh at it sometimes when 
I see videos about what you read

1315
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,440
stories about. 
You know, this guy's about to 

1316
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,600
break the record for running 
McQueen. 

1317
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,280
Oh my. 
I didn't even know he was doing 

1318
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,720
it. 
There's a guy, the guy that ran 

1319
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,200
the length of Africa. 
Did you know the other day there

1320
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,560
was someone just ran around like
the circumference of Australia 

1321
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,760
and broke the record as well? 
It's wild. 

1322
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,080
You know where they should be. 
Where? 

1323
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,360
One of Noosa Trail Ultra or 
Mount Wellington. 

1324
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,080
The race is on March. 
They should be doing case to 

1325
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,400
cosy. 
I mean, that's probably as far 

1326
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,000
as there's all the backyards and
everything else. 

1327
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,520
Session with making people race 
mate, he's gotta. 

1328
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,960
You can't. 
The one thing you know, you can,

1329
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,880
you can cheat Strava. 
Yeah, you can. 

1330
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,480
Yeah. 
Cheat Instagram. 

1331
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,600
Oh, no. 
Oh, no. 

1332
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:29,680
Courtney's getting on his The 
one. 

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01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,320
The one thing you can't cheat is
race is a race. 

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We'll leave it there. 
Alright, we're out of here. 

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,720
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01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,520
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01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:51,800
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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,240
running journey. 
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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,280
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01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,960
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week.