1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,120 In the beginning at 18. Courtney, we're back. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:04,640 No cricket talk today off the top. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,720 As great as it was last week to talk about young Sam Conses. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Yep, we moved on from cricket. We're straight into running. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Do you want to go straight into the summer of tennis? 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Should we talk about other summer sports? 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,760 No. Well, I know Nick, Nick Curious 8 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,160 is your favourite guy, but let's let's go straight to running 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,360 today. And it's one of my stories where 10 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,240 I've been an idiot, you know, you know that saying where you 11 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,160 say, what's the saying in Queensland? 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,320 If it's flooded, forget it. Yeah, yeah. 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,400 So I was running in the forest in the ring, and I wasn't going 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,000 to tell this story because I was trying to keep it. 15 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,520 Secret video we had a fair. Bit of rain but I didn't realise 16 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,280 we had so much rain on the weekend. 17 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,160 So I had, I've got company, take one guy for a run and suddenly 18 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:45,680 the next weekend eight people come out with me wanting to have 19 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,000 a run. It was a great group. 20 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,320 We did 2-2 hours, 15 in the forest, got down to the first 21 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,720 Creek crossing at Kasarina where you know, a few different 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,720 streams, let's call it. But the ring turns into 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,200 rainforest when we get that much rain, waterfalls when we get 24 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,920 that much rain. And I went to get across leading 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,640 the pack. I went to go across the the 26 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,160 crossing that I know quite well and there's some sandstone 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,400 blocks under, under it where the the Creek crosses. 28 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,120 So, you know, you normally have pretty decent footing. 29 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Anyway, there's so much water, I couldn't actually tell where the 30 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,600 trail was going. And as I stepped off, I must 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,400 have missed the crossing and stepped off to the left of the 32 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,920 trail. And literally there was nothing 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,840 under me. And before I knew it, I was 34 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,360 getting swept down. No, swept down the Creek until I 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,920 grabbed a tree. Now this is I'm, I'm, I'm joking 36 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,720 because I mean, the worst that's gonna happen in there is you're 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,600 gonna probably get raked over a couple of rocks and you know, 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,640 you know, maybe hit worse could hit your head on a tree or 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,440 something. So, you know, it's not the 40 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,720 safest and sanest thing to be doing. 41 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,720 I. Didn't know about this. 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Yes, I've gone down. So then a mate of mine, Lynn's, 43 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,440 he came down after me. Thank God he's a lifeguard, but 44 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,640 he went too. And hey, it why I'm telling the 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,759 story is, look, we weren't in any major danger. 46 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:13,800 It was and it's not crazy out there, but it just reminded me, 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,600 you know, when big events happen in flooding and that type of 48 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,800 thing, and if you're in a river and it's like, you know, there's 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,120 serious consequence to what would happen, you have no 50 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 chance. I was hanging onto that tree 51 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,520 with my legs screaming behind. Me, it was that strong. 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,040 That strong? Yeah, this. 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,200 Once I hit the water there was no chance we were swimming and 54 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,520 like even had a chance to swim back against this current. 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:45,840 That's, I mean, it's terrifying because you are you an elite 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,240 athlete and you, the blokes you're running with, as you say, 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,800 lifeguards, elite athletes as well. 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,360 I'm just imagining the average runner me out there and 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,880 potentially solo like that would be terrifying. 60 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,080 If you were, if you were like if you would have went down there 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 and kind of thought I go across here every week and just went in 62 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,080 and that happened, it would scare the crap out of your 63 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,040 number one. Gosh, look, I think you'd be 64 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:08,600 fine. You'd. 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Probably be OK so. Then after that. 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,240 So what did you do? Did you finish the run? 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Well, we got everyone across 'cause then I knew where the 68 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,880 trail was and the Causeway was. But then we, yeah, we had a 69 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,480 great day out there, you know, like rain and and mud. 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,080 And that's part of being out on the trails and having and having 71 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,520 fun. But I did change the course. 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,320 I was gonna run them around a certain way. 73 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,960 Yeah. And I thought, damn, if that 74 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,160 crossing's full, the big crossing is gonna be dangerous. 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,600 And if we get stuck on the other side, it means our two hour and 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,600 a bit run will turn into a three and a half hour run too. 77 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,280 So, you know, I took him a different way. 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,520 We did go and visit the crossing and it was actually fine. 79 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,280 So yeah, I think we might have just caught it, you know, like 80 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 it just added torrential downpour at that one time. 81 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,560 But. It's. 82 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,160 It's like they say if it's. Like it forget it applies to the 83 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,760 to the applies to the trousers where as well as it does the 84 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,280 rows. Yeah, just quickly though, to 85 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,880 kind of expand more broadly, I guess for your average runner, 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,800 it's one thing to push on and persist with your running, your 87 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,280 training, whatever it is in the face of, you know, maybe you're 88 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,279 tired or you, maybe you haven't fuelled up or maybe you're busy. 89 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:23,640 But there is still a line that it's OK not to cross, IE like I, 90 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,120 I often think about what to give you the counterpoint, and this 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,960 is not the extent of flooded trails. 92 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:33,200 I'm on pro hours now. My I've officially begun, this 93 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,120 is on week one in the books for the new radio show Triple M Gold 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,720 Breakfast with Lesel Jones, Lehman, Spider, everybody, 95 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,400 TuneIn if you can. But I'm now, so I generally my 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,920 work day kind of finishes around 10/30/11. 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,120 And so now I don't have time to run in the mornings in the cool 98 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,720 on the Gold Coast. And so after the first day of 99 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:58,720 the show, I'm I'm committing to life as breakfast radio host. 100 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,440 But I don't want to get unfit or, you know, fall off my 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,640 programme. So I went running. 102 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,040 At at day. At I went for this run on Monday 103 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,480 at 11:30 from along from Carawa Broadbeach up to The Spit or 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 just show her Show her the Spit and then to Steaming Hot. 105 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Mate, you're going to get a great tan. 106 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,120 Think you're brown. I think you're brown. 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,200 You're going to be Queenslander. But the what? 108 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,640 A life. What a life. 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Again, I don't want to be seen to be complaining, but the idea 110 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,720 of that, it's like at some point I'm going to have some days 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 where I'm like, it's too hot, it's going to be too hot to run. 112 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,360 And it's all well to acclimatise. 113 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,400 But I think the average runners also got to understand, yeah, 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,400 you got to get you get the case done. 115 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,280 Don't make excuses. But if there's valid excuses, IE 116 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:53,000 it's 35° plus or there's flooded trails, it's OK to pump the 117 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,960 brakes. Yeah, a hundred, 100% it it. 118 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,440 There is some days where it is too hot to run in the middle of 119 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,440 the day. You're gonna have to wait till 120 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,600 at night time. But talking about like 'cause 121 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,440 events at the moment, obviously what's happening in LA is an 122 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,240 absolute, you know, isn't it? It's a disaster. 123 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,720 But take, take, let's for the moment, just take the fires and 124 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,800 what's happened out of it. If you were a runner in LA at 125 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,520 the moment, or you wanted to, you know, try and exercise, I 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,120 think that's the line, isn't it? Because there'd be that much 127 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,440 smoke around. That's yeah, it's, it couldn't 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,600 be even probably down the coast away from LA at the moment. 129 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,160 It couldn't be too good on the lungs. 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,840 Well, I, I think there's been reports that these, because 131 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,680 they, some of these buildings that have gone and homes that 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,080 have gone are such old buildings, there's actually 133 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,120 asbestos in some of them. So there's a genuine health 134 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,160 hazard to be had there. And again, if you go back, I'm, 135 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,160 I'm running for health reasons, for fitness reasons. 136 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,920 If you ran there at the moment, it's detrimental to your health 137 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,800 and fitness. Yeah, yeah. 138 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,200 There's no benefit. That's the line. 139 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,000 That's the line to draw, right? And it's a very easy line to do. 140 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,160 And a lot have you just, I mean, I'm not. 141 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,840 And again, I'm sort of casually aware of what's going on in LA. 142 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,400 We've done a bit on the radio show this week, but from a 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,280 'cause you were over there earlier or late last year, mid 144 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,520 to late last year and you went running through, it's, that's 145 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,000 the area that's being affected. Completely coincidental. 146 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,920 I was starting my trail runs at Pacific Palisades, at the 147 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,480 National Park entrance at the top where the school is. 148 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Just complete coincidence. That's with and that's just 149 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,520 sounds like it's where the epicentre of it is. 150 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Yeah, sunset and crazy. And now most of that is just 151 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,280 gone. It's can you picture as we talk 152 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,200 about it now, can you picture in your mind that run? 153 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,440 I can, but the one I mean I can it was because it's such I mean 154 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,240 such beautiful, like it's a beautiful place to go and run. 155 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,960 But what, what's, what's crazy to me is the fact that you see 156 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,520 the houses on the beach and you the trying to get into your head 157 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,960 that flames can jump that far and then take out the beach. 158 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,920 And what's also interesting, well, from a, from an 159 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,720 Australian, obviously only having spent a really quick 160 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,760 amount of time there, you know, when we have our big Bush fires 161 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,360 here, it's, you know, through the gums and it's generally 162 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,680 down, you know, South or even here on, you know, in 163 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Queensland, it'll RIP through a lot of like, you know, foliage 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,240 and trees and it's big fuel. I I can't recall it's a lot of 165 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,560 like desert shrub nearly up there. 166 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,960 I can't recall there being like so much big trees but. 167 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,600 I read something about the the there are eucalypts over there 168 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,240 that a a transplant tree because obviously there's not native to 169 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,039 the air, but there were some eucalypts that might have added 170 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:42,280 to the cause of it, but. It's it's, it's horrible to see 171 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,559 so. But our thoughts are with 172 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,920 anybody who's got family, friends or is there personally, 173 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,120 you know, Correct. Yeah. 174 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,240 Truly, truly. It is a genuine tragedy. 175 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,680 I think it might be the largest. It could end up becoming the 176 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,960 largest natural disaster in the history of the US. 177 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Wow. So yeah, yeah, thoughts with 178 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,160 them. But onto more positive I suppose 179 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,840 things at the moment that's I've got this test, I'm going to call 180 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,440 it a testimonial. If we're going to go for a job 181 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,400 as in the beginning podcast hosts, Yeah, this is what I 182 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,640 reckon I'd use OK, as our, you know, as an advocate for what we 183 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,320 do here. And it's summed up I I think 184 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,320 this summed up when we started it what I thought we'd be to our 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,360 listeners. So it is So Kane and Jacobs has 186 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,600 sent this to us and he's gone G day blokes. 187 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,760 So he started well. Works. 188 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,240 Just wanted to let you go strictly. 189 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Identified agenda. Well done, Kane. 190 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Yeah, yeah. You couldn't tell from the 191 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:38,880 voice. Yeah. 192 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,800 OK. Just wanted to let you guys know 193 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,120 that I'm bloody loving what you're doing with this new 194 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 podcast. I'm a long time country 195 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,680 footballer, yeah, a long time country footballer who is 196 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,680 obviously ready to keep fit. But putting you blokes in my ear 197 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,840 is actually making me enjoy my running and wanting to make. 198 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,120 And I want a better my running going forward. 199 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,040 The big stand out to me is how real and honest you blokes are. 200 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,240 You love a beer, a good time. You call out the flogs running 201 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,720 for the wrong reasons and you relate to the novice and 202 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,640 experienced runners having both of your outlooks. 203 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,680 F and love your work boys. If you can't, if you get an 204 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:26,000 Australian testimonial more than that, that is. 205 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,560 Have you got one of them for your radio show? 206 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,960 No, Keenan, feel free to tune into the radio show, mate. 207 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,320 I'd love that. Sort of. 208 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,320 He has nailed it. He has actually nailed it. 209 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,560 Because I think what he said then, I love the fact that he's 210 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,320 a, he was a one time long time country football. 211 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Yes. That he, that he wasn't a, an 212 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,240 athlete growing up as in the, in a track sense, he wasn't a 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,680 runner growing up specifically. He played football, right? 214 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,000 And I think there's a lot of people because that's what I 215 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,480 did. I, I played soccer through the 216 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,120 year 12. I didn't actually start playing 217 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,720 AFL as my sport till I was 16. And then I stopped playing AFL, 218 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,280 I think probably when I was about 30. 219 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,800 So I didn't actually take to running until I was 32, so I've 220 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,760 only really been running for eight years. 221 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,680 You're right. As as my chosen. 222 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,400 Exercise your what I will do your priority exercise. 223 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,600 As my priority exercise running I've only been doing it 2016 was 224 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,120 the year I I started doing it really and when oh this is 225 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,600 really good fun I enjoy doing this let's go on that was the 226 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,880 first time I ran the city to surf OK and. 227 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Oh, great event. With a, with a target, you know, 228 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,600 with a like, I want to crack a time and all that sort of of 229 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,840 stuff. And I got into it from there. 230 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 So I think Keenan's clearly in a similar boat. 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,080 Yep. Where football, amateur football 232 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,200 career is done. Yep. 233 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,120 And I was only saying to Spider, who I do the radio show with, 234 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,880 who's a 290 game AFL veteran. Yep. 235 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,960 I asked him about how his body is held up because he is talking 236 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,880 about doing the Kokoda Challenge later on this year. 237 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,640 On the on the Gold Coast. Yeah, the 96 on the Gold Coast. 238 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,440 And he said I'm fine. And we talked about the fact 239 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,880 that I'm really happy that I got out of my amateur footballing 240 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,960 career that delivered me no money or glory whatever, and I 241 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,160 can run because friends of mine can't. 242 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Like friends of mine running is off the. 243 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,080 Table knees are gone. What knees? 244 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,960 What's the main thing? Knees, ACLS, OK ACLS because and 245 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 that's not to say if you suffer an ACL, you can't keep running. 246 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,400 The surgeries, as I understand that have improved 247 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:38,320 significantly, but it generally it the cartilage wears away, you 248 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,400 know, arthritis becomes an issue moving forward and it and it is 249 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,520 much harder and there's swelling and obviously there's pain. 250 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,920 So I'm really glad that I got out of my amateur footy career 251 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,480 with running still as an. Option and he can still. 252 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,840 Run and Kanan clearly is the same thing, but you're right, I 253 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,280 think he's now that and he's now that in a very you know what I 254 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,200 know you'll like most about that. 255 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 That could be a review for the Alpha Blokes podcast I Know, 256 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,880 which is a podcast I know you love, and I reckon Keenan 257 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,840 probably has hit the nail on the head there. 258 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Yeah, he has. That's good. 259 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Great. Thanks, Keenan. 260 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Welcome to the official testimonial giver of the in the 261 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,440 beginning process. Yeah. 262 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Well, as one of our probably one of four listen now it makes 263 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,280 sense why we had cricket on the first bit of the show. 264 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,560 Last week. That's right. 265 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,520 Well done, Keenan. Thank you for the review. 266 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,400 No, thank you. Quickly. 267 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,920 I've got a bit of audio, but before you play it, have you 268 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,000 seen quick pull back of the curtain for everybody? 269 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,920 Courtney and I, when we started running up here on the Gold 270 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Coast, we'd have these conversations and This is why we 271 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,720 do this podcast now, because we'd come out the end of our 272 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,160 runs and go, jeez, that was interesting. 273 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,120 What we also talked about, and I don't know if you remember, but 274 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,480 one of those Nerang Trail days, we talked about the idea of 275 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,040 recording while running. Yes, we did. 276 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,360 And we both you, you know, you'd experimented with it. 277 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,480 I'd actually, I'd actually done a run in Sydney once, I did the 278 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:04,640 coast run Bondi to Coogee with a GoPro strapped to my chest and 279 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,480 just to see what it looked like, you know, just as an experiment. 280 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,240 And we talked about the idea of that and we sort of, you know, 281 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,400 we just said, oh, look, it's probably a bit hard. 282 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,640 And I remember, 'cause I was, I was thinking more serious audio, 283 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,280 like I was thinking about how do we get mics on us to take the 284 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,360 wind noise out and literally do what we're doing here. 285 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,120 But on the trails, when you're not thinking about what you're 286 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,360 speaking, 'cause that's when, when you're not thinking about 287 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,720 like show notes or whatever's going on, that's when the good 288 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,640 stuff. Really. 289 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Comes out, however, we both decided that our breathing in 290 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 between words was never. Going to work. 291 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Well, no, if we if we genuinely recorded an episode like that 292 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,200 while running after the 10 minute mark, I wouldn't be 293 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,240 saying anything. It would be just Courtney 294 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,920 telling stories and occasionally just go. 295 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Well, it's still a challenge. We can. 296 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,760 We can. Actually do one actually. 297 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,680 And, you know, bombs. It bombs. 298 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,960 We should try one just as an experiment and go out and do it 299 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,520 and see what people think. But the reason I bring it up is 300 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,320 because if you go to YouTube, Sir Mo Farah, the English. 301 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,120 Multiple Olympic gold medallist. Has started doing it. 302 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,200 He's now doing, I don't know if it's called Runs with MO or 303 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,440 whatever it is, but essentially it's 2 episodes in I think and 304 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,160 he takes, he has a little chat with his guest, then takes them 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,800 for a mile, run chats along the way and then does more. 306 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Now it's very well edited and put together. 307 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,360 It's almost like a mini TV show. But he's already done the famous 308 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,360 Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger. Yep. 309 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,280 And then he's done. Comedian Jimmy Carr. 310 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,120 I did see a bit of the Jimmy Carr one. 311 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I think he was pushing, 312 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,520 pushing him off, pushed him into the bushes or something. 313 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Pushed him in. Now what I'll say MO's a better 314 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,440 runner than he is an interviewer. 315 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,360 But I love it. I love that there's this piece 316 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,600 of running content that is it's now it's crossing over into sort 317 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,960 of popular culture. Yeah, with one of the greatest 318 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,800 runners we've ever seen now starting to bring in people like 319 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Jimmy Carr, this huge global comedian, and Arsene Wenger, 320 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,080 this, you know, from a sports background, obviously. 321 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,960 And did they talk about running or they're talking about? 322 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Yeah, they talk about running. So I haven't watched the Arsene 323 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,200 Wenger one, but MO talks to Jimmy about do you run, did you 324 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,160 ever run? And you know, and what's if not, 325 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,480 what sports do you do and all that, And talks to him about his 326 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,440 career obviously as well. But yeah, I encourage everyone. 327 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,200 To go and if. You're a runner who enjoys that 328 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,520 sort of content. Go and check it out. 329 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,360 It's worth. Look Sermo Farah is the channel 330 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,200 on YouTube but this bit of audio for those that don't follow 331 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,560 swimming and don't know who Dean Boxall is. 332 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,480 If you recall the Tokyo Olympics is where he made it famous where 333 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,240 cheering on his one of his charges Ariana Titmus against 334 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,080 Katie Ledecky. I think it was in the 200 metres 335 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,880 free correct? He went full grabbed hold of an 336 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,000 electric fence, blonde hair up in the air like Doc Brown from 337 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Back to the Future, shaking the. Well, shaking was an is a nice 338 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,280 way to put it. I think he. 339 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Was assaulting the barricade at the swimming centre as Ariana 340 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,160 went on to create history. And so that is who we're 341 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,680 talking. About you, you, you know, what 342 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,079 reminds you, 'cause I remember this. 343 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,960 I remember it so clear for a couple of reasons. 344 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,520 The first one is, remember Lori Lawrence? 345 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,160 He did it first with Duncan Armstrong, just, you know, 346 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,359 typical, you know, that Aussie Larry can who just, he couldn't 347 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,920 control himself in the grandstand. 348 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,079 And then you see Dean doing this again, you know, would have been 349 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,280 20. Don't quite. 350 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Yeah, years later. And it was just like the new 351 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,880 Lori Lawrence, but he's on another level again. 352 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Right. Have you ever met Dean? 353 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,040 I haven't well, this is going to get interesting because I, I 354 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,760 obviously grew up swimming as well around SE Queensland, like 355 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,680 as a, you know, 8, you know, 6-8 year old at a pretty, you know, 356 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,920 I'd win national. You're an elite junior swimmer. 357 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,680 Yeah, I could swim all right. And now my memory serves me 358 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,440 Dean. I would have had swam against 359 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,280 him at points 'cause he was a young swimmer himself. 360 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,960 But I can recall Dane winning the GPS 400 metres. 361 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,520 OK if my memory's. Right. 362 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,440 OK. So you like? 363 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,040 The Fact Check. But he, yeah. 364 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,800 And he won that. He was like a bloody, you know, 365 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,800 probably on the borderline of Commonwealth Games standard. 366 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,520 So you, your your paths have. We've we've crossed, but we 367 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,440 probably don't. Know each other, know each 368 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,800 other, right? OK, Anyway, this is Dean Box who 369 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,080 is now he as he said, He coaches Ariana Titmus, he coaches Molly 370 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,080 O'Callaghan, he coaches the best swimmers Australia has to offer. 371 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,160 This is him talking about a attitude he has towards training 372 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,520 at the elite level. Here we go. 373 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,400 I don't believe that you can rock up to the Olympics and rise 374 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,480 to the occasion. I just do not believe that. 375 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 I believe you're lower to your training standard. 376 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,920 That means your default level has to improve, right? 377 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,880 So my training standard is very challenging for the guys to the 378 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,080 point they have to be doing war record pace in training or they 379 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,040 don't get a thumb. I love that. 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,640 Then was he? You know, he doesn't give them a 381 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 thumbs up unless they're literally breaking world records 382 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,080 in training. What? 383 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,000 What do you make of that? Love it. 384 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,560 He's old school, he is old school. 385 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,800 And what I make of it in swimming, when it's a Sprint 386 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:21,320 race, it's so true. So obviously when swimmers go 387 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,480 into a taper to a major, they significantly drop time when 388 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,360 they freshen up because swimmers just, well, the traditional way 389 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,920 of swimming, they're just doing such volume that's so tired so 390 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,320 often. And then they really know. 391 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,520 And the Australians do it so well. 392 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,880 And that's why we've been so successful so long in the pool 393 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,640 is there's a system that know how to peek for the majors and 394 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,200 get the best out of their athletes. 395 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,440 What Dean's saying here is if I can have them, like I'm just 396 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,360 reading into this in my own way, hey, if I can have them doing 397 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,800 world record pace in training while they're tired, I don't, 398 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,440 you know, when they come out of their taper at the World champs 399 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,800 or the Olympic Games, I know what's going to happen. 400 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,200 I heard it and I kind of the reason I wanted to talk about it 401 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,160 with you today is someone who's been in the Olympics, because I 402 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:13,880 think as a as an average runner, sometimes we think it's that 403 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,600 it'll be all right on the night. Like if I get there, as long as 404 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,440 I get there, I'll be able to find something on the day, even 405 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,960 if I maybe haven't got there during my lead up to the race or 406 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,640 the event, whatever it is I'm targeting. 407 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,200 But I think even though you're not going to the Olympics, I now 408 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,920 look at it and I hear what Dean's saying. 409 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,160 There I go. Yeah, if you, if you've done it 410 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,520 in training, it makes it you. It's like you've got the answers 411 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,920 to the test. But hang on, I'll let you, I'll 412 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,360 let you go for a little bit there. 413 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,480 I did say in swimming. OK, so. 414 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,040 You don't think this supplies to running? 415 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,920 No. Really, why not? 416 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,920 Well, I'll put it in, put it, put it in simple terms. 417 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,560 If you went and run 1/2 marathon, you know, you had 418 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,640 marathon, half marathon, even a 10K and you went to training and 419 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,080 you were trying to break your PB, how are you going to pull 420 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,760 up? You'll be destroyed for weeks. 421 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Swimming's different One, no gravity involved, you're in the 422 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,000 pool so you don't have that muscle, you know, muscle 423 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,480 breakdown when you're going that hard and two, it's short, so 424 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,200 you're getting a right way with explosive, you know, it's like 425 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,800 repetition of shorter reps if you go to running and you were 426 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:34,680 trying to run out race distances at world record pace or or PB 427 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,800 pace, it's. Gonna wreck. 428 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,320 It's gonna wreck you. But what you do do is you need 429 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,480 to be able to show yourself that pace in simulated ways around, 430 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,000 you know, whether it's repetitions. 431 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Yeah, simulated ways is in if you're doing a long run, there 432 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,120 might be a certain component of that long run. 433 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,480 Yeah. Where you're hitting those 434 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,880 marathon paces or certain specific paces. 435 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,040 But with running, I'm gonna disagree. 436 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,280 We can't go out there. I can't. 437 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,000 You would you? You will break. 438 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,400 I'm so easily persuaded because I've watched that reel from Dean 439 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,480 Box and I'm like, OK, well, this is how I'm gonna try. 440 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,040 You've now told me otherwise. I'm like, OK, I'm gonna try. 441 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,000 And according to I've I am. I am I go with the wind well on 442 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,720 a running and. Structure, look and and there 443 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,600 may be people out there who are going well. 444 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,200 I completely disagree with that as well, but I can tell you if 445 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,440 you just put it in the most simple terms, common sense, if 446 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,520 you go out trying to do a marathon, if your marathon is 447 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560 your thing and you're going out to do a marathon or a half 448 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,440 marathon in training at your race, you're wasting your legs. 449 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,720 I love it. I love it. 450 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,120 Well, this is that's perfect. Little segue there, because 451 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaking of marathons, I oh, I'm. 452 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Sick of hearing I. Can't help I can't help but feel 453 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,720 we are somewhat responsible for all this because since we 454 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,600 started discussing it, marathon running in Crocs has become a 455 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,840 thing. Courtney, like a really big 456 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,320 thing, yes. So much so that an Adelaide 457 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,280 bloke now has the world record. I think he's from Adelaide. 458 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,720 Yeah, so I, I don't know where he's from, but he broke it in 459 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,880 Hobart on the Hobart Marathon on the weekend and he's run 249. 460 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,000 Dan Carmack is his name. Share that Dan. 461 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Well done. Well done. 462 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,160 I wonder if he ran in those bright. 463 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,280 In the picture we were looking at, he did bright yellows. 464 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,720 The bright yellow ones, yeah. So he was on the project earlier 465 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,600 this week all. Right, got them in sports mode. 466 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,560 Got them in sports. Do you reckon he runs like half 467 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,520 a size too? Because there's sand all right? 468 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Do you reckon he runs half a size too small to make sure it's 469 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,480 like got a good solid fit on? That. 470 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,640 Well, interestingly, I watched the interview with him. 471 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,640 Have you seen the interview he did on the project? 472 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,280 No, I don't know. He didn't actually train in 473 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,200 them. Yeah, he basically put them on, 474 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,120 checked that they he he put them on and ran at the pace he was 475 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,120 going to for the marathon to check that they would not slip 476 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,160 off and then just went about his training. 477 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,240 So we didn't actually do a shoe check. 478 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,480 So he probably would not have had an idea of how he said his 479 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,560 his legs were busted, but he said that he didn't really 480 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,360 probably know how he was going to shape out post 10K because he 481 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,640 hadn't really done any training in them. 482 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,360 But what he did say and talking about Crocs and we've talked a 483 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,800 bit about shoes on this is that they're actually pretty good to 484 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,120 run in because from a firmness and a sponginess something it's 485 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,160 kind of it's almost like a shoe. We've given this too much. 486 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,000 So I want to know, did Andy Buchanan get on the project when 487 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,640 he broke the Australian marathon record? 488 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,760 No, we didn't. Fastest ever marathon from 489 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Australian. Here we go. 490 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480 And here we go. We're talking about Crocs, which 491 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,000 is partly our fault, but talking about Crocs, I got, I got this 492 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,440 sent to me by a lot of people this week. 493 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,160 I'm not mentioning it 'cause I there were. 494 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,920 This came through from a lot of our listeners, obviously. 495 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120 Yeah, I got sent this one too, so let's get. 496 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,680 Rid of the Crocs, but let's stay on this train. 497 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,880 So Kendall Lloyd sent me in from Thailand. 498 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,760 Now this is legit because we talked about we were joking 499 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,240 about Crocs and carbon plates. A company in Thailand called an 500 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,600 I Run Knee run. Knee run. 501 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,080 Has got the world's first super super carbon plate sandals. 502 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000 So they've put a carbon plate in a pair of sandals. 503 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,360 And if you don't think this is legit, I don't know what 504 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,440 marathon it is 'cause I can't read Thai. 505 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,160 But we've got a runner who has run a 21855 winning in these 506 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,520 sandals. Now they look like a pair of 507 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,280 thongs with the sports, the sports mode back from the Crocs, 508 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 carbon plated. What do you reckon it's? 509 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,200 Well, the I guess it probably not to go back to Croc man, but 510 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,440 it, it might it, it goes on to show like, you know, 511 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000 fundamentally the I'm, you know, I'm sitting here a pair of Nike 512 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,200 Pegasus and this, this is just foam rubber on the soles of 513 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,040 these things. And that is what thongs and 514 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Crocs are. They're foam and rubber in a 515 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080 variety. And as long as they're you know, 516 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,040 the, the uppers on the elite speed shoes, the Super shoes 517 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,400 these days, the alpha flowers or the meta speeds or whatever is 518 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,080 nothing. They're only enclosed because 519 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200 probably traditionally that's what shoes have been. 520 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,800 So if you're going to slip your toe in between the thongs like 521 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,360 and you're. Saying you're you're liking the 522 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,840 innovation here, You know what you do need though, is obviously 523 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,240 a pair of those Japanese socks to go with them because having 524 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,160 that thong in the middle toes, yeah, you're not going to run 525 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,440 too good in a paranormal. Socks. 526 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,640 I feel weird those. Have you ever worn those? 527 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840 Feel they feel weird. These are going to feel awfully. 528 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Weird. Have you worn those toe socks? 529 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,280 I've worn toe socks before. You tried them? 530 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Yeah. Of Australia. 531 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,000 Did you ever? Get caught up in the barefoot 532 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,000 run phase. Those shoes that had, you know. 533 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320 I have worn a piece so you're thinking the brand which is 534 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520 their Vibram. Oh, that's Vibram. 535 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Vibram 5 fingers so I do know a bit about them. 536 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,400 I do have a pair in the garage. Do you ever run in them? 537 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,480 I did. I ran an event called Red Bull 538 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Dune Dusters in them, which was a 10K sand dune race at 539 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,440 Newcastle and all soft sand. Well, they weren't great because 540 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,800 I just, you want to be in the soft sand, you want to run in 541 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,960 bare feet if you can. I was concerned at the time 542 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,360 'cause I was doing other racing that running 10K hard in the 543 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,560 soft sand would destroy my soles and my feet. 544 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Yeah. So I went and bought a pair of 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,920 them, renting them. They're fine. 546 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080 I mean, I would go and running them on the road, yeah. 547 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,280 'Cause that that is, is that still that's it, That was a 548 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,520 massive thing like, yeah, what, 10 years ago? 549 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,120 I reckon I'm. Sure, I'll still have them in 550 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,480 the garage when we finish up here. 551 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,000 OK, I'll give you them and you can have a run and let us have a 552 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,880 trot and think. You can tell us what you think 553 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920 about the old barefoot. 'Cause there were people who 554 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,920 swore by that and there was 'cause I think. 555 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920 Trends come and go. Do you know the biggest like 556 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120 thinking about different shoes that you know, innovation 'cause 557 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,760 that's what we're talking about here in these sandals. 558 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,440 Oh, now the, the brands just lost. 559 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,920 I've just lost some brand. What was it? 560 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,360 Newton? Have you ever heard of Newton? 561 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,680 No run shoes? No. 562 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,560 So Newton with this brand that came out, I'm going to guess so, 563 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,800 you know, maybe about 10 to 15 years ago, prior to all of this, 564 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,600 like prior to carbon plates, they had this kind of lug system 565 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,440 at the front of their shoe. So it looked like when you 566 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,560 stepped on them, it looked like these three lines or like a 567 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,920 nearly like a spring. I suppose 3 lines were 568 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,360 protruding out of the bottom of the shoe and as you landed on 569 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,800 the ground on your forefoot, they'd go up inside the shoe and 570 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,040 then obviously give you a rebound power coming out. 571 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,480 Your return. Now triathlon, as they always 572 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960 do, kind of got hold of this and went, you know, This Is Us and, 573 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,080 and and took them out. I've got a feeling Craig 574 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,680 Alexander may have even won a World Ironman championship in 575 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Nuisance. OK, now I've had I had my 576 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,240 fastest ever 10K triathlon run off the bike in a Para Newton as 577 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,960 well. Actually, I actually had a 578 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Sprint finish in Korea with Yan Fredino and he took me down by a 579 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,840 metre, but I was in a Para Newton. 580 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Really. Yeah, we run some 30 minutes in 581 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,960 a para Newton I'm. Just having a look at them, I'm 582 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,280 just Googling them. Here it is. 583 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,560 And they went, they they, they long, long gone. 584 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000 I don't know if carbon plates killed them or what killed them 585 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,880 off. Actually, you'd be really 586 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680 interested to know why, why they got killed off. 587 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,400 But on, so on, you know, on. Yeah. 588 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,680 So when they were first, the clouds were just like, they've 589 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,920 obviously lasted and they're booming at the moment. 590 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 But it's the same type of scenario where when they began, 591 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,520 it was innovation. So they had these true like air 592 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,400 pockets on clouds. And I can tell you from what 593 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,240 I've heard, the first models were pretty, you know, unless 594 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,560 you're being paid to wear them, they were pretty average. 595 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,240 And they've now developed into, you know, from I haven't worn 596 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,600 them, but what what I understand being some of the best shoes 597 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,480 around. It's funny, these Newton shoes. 598 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,160 I'm just having a look in the the three, the lugs you talk 599 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,800 about the kind of the springs. It it just made me remember the 600 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,280 episode of The Simpsons where Homer designs the car. 601 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,680 That's just the horrible waste of money car, ugly car. 602 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,240 It feels like looking at these Newtons. 603 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,560 I'm like, this feels like the refined idea of a child who went 604 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,800 why don't we put springs on our shoes as a way to run faster? 605 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,880 They worked. Yeah, they worked. 606 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640 I I'm too do this. I wonder if I've got a pair of 607 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,440 them out there. Too. 608 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560 Wow, we are going. We're going, we're going shoe 609 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,680 shopping and. American Pickers through 610 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,040 Courtney's Shoe Garage. I love it. 611 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280 But yeah, they they worked. And I know I remember definitely 612 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,400 Craig Alexander for years, like he would have had some of his 613 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960 best Iron Man and half Iron Man racing in those Newton there. 614 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,040 You go. There you go. 615 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,720 One last little one, while we're on these weird shoes, I did have 616 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920 Max Callahan sent us a message because we were talking about I 617 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,320 wanted to know about slides and thongs, what's good for your 618 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,200 feet, so I didn't have to trudge around in a pair of 619 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,960 Birkenstocks. And he said office, office 620 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,640 pluggers are a good brand. So Wolfos, Wolfos double OFOS. 621 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,920 So if you're looking for a good pair of pluggers that have got a 622 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,640 bit of support. OK, give them a try. 623 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,920 Yeah, let us know what you think 'cause I looked at them and and 624 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160 not you. Oh well, just by the look of 625 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,800 them, I was kind of like, yeah, probably not. 626 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,320 Still, I'm still looking for the replacement. 627 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:03,360 Hardly a shout out for Wolfos. Nick, inhale we last week. 628 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,640 So we're just catching up on a couple of things that we talked 629 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080 about last week if you're listening and we were talking 630 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,520 about obviously I'll put a reel out this week if you look at our 631 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,280 Instagram about the days when you didn't have GPS watches. 632 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,760 Yeah, you know, and that, do you really know how far you'd run 633 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,240 when you were guessing the distance? 634 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600 I got AI, got a have you got any good messages? 635 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000 I got a message back on on that reel. 636 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,680 And you know, we talked about Keenan at the start of the show. 637 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040 Who gave you that testimonial? And as a former football player, 638 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,840 I got a message back from Max Dudley. 639 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920 He's also a former footy player. He's played rugby league at a 640 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640 very good level. He I can't use the language he 641 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,040 used, but he said if yeah, bring back the just run mentality. 642 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,960 Just run. Just run. 643 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,400 Just run. Just run. 644 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,320 Yeah, good. So yeah, I love that reel 645 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,960 though. It was. 646 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,960 I got a few other comments just about the idea of. 647 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,080 Guessing and guessing. So off the back of that we're 648 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,960 talking about there's a a run if you're on the Gold Coast or up 649 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440 in Brissy or whatever, they do a run out and rang around the 650 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,720 trails where Steve from. Trail trips and events. 651 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,440 Trial trips and events yeah, he he pretty much sets this up and 652 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,680 they have a guessing game. So you run the goat loop or a 653 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,840 loop out there. I think it's about maybe 7 K and 654 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,680 you know, later you, you obviously take your watch, but 655 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800 you're not watching it. He'll time it and you've got to 656 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,000 guess how close you can go to your time. 657 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,120 And then they have a winner on that. 658 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080 It is on the 27th of January. So that's what we're asking for. 659 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Can you go because I am still. Away. 660 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,760 You won't be away, but I'm gonna try and get out there because it 661 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 is a look. And if you're not on the Gold 662 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,480 Coast and you can't do the the Goat Loop race, this is 663 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240 something you can do yourself. I'll put in the show notes too 664 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,040 that the the link to that if anyone's interested. 665 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,840 This is something you could just go and set up. 666 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Go and map out a a 5K course. Go and map out a 2K course. 667 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000 No, but you're not meant to know that. 668 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,200 Oh, because yeah, you. And I'm just saying for other 669 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,560 people and then see if you can run it to time as an alternative 670 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560 if you don't know if you want to set up a course for yourself. 671 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,400 And if you can do that, then you can come and start laying shit 672 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,720 back on me, OK? OK, yeah, then you can get stuck 673 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,800 into Courtney. I like it. 674 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400 I like it. More loose ends from last week 675 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,800 and from earlier episodes. Courtney. 676 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,320 Yeah. So this is the last one that I 677 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,240 think we were talking about and I was being really open and 678 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,400 honest here with you saying I just, I would really wonder how 679 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,640 slow like if you're just standing out running and you, 680 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,800 you know, you will, how slow's slow when you've got to run. 681 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,160 So I said, you know, my pace is, you know, I'll run an easy run 682 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,000 anywhere between 4 minutes to five minute kilometre pace. 683 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,040 Someone else might find 5 minute kilometre pace like a racing 684 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720 pace. How slow is slow and what should 685 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640 you start at now? Flow, pace, breathing. 686 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,760 I don't know who the name is. Good day, fellas. 687 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,880 Dual citizen back in the UK. So an Aussie living over in the 688 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:57,840 UK now he's listed all these running school achievements so. 689 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Which is a joke from what if you haven't come right through the 690 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,240 catalogue early on on the pod, Courtney talked about when we're 691 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,200 talking about the idea of running coaches and who to 692 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,159 trust, we joked about the idea of have they been to running 693 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:09,719 coach? School. 694 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,440 Is there a running school? Is there a running? 695 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120 School, did you get a diploma? And he is. 696 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Apparently there is. Well, in UK Athletics, he's 697 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,840 saying Level 1 is a jogger leader. 698 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,280 You can you can take and and then you're insured as well. 699 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,280 You get insurance for non track work. 700 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000 OK. And only over 18. 701 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,040 So obviously no blue card in that one. 702 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040 I like that. So you're supervised by a level 703 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,239 1 coach. He's a Level 1 coach and that 704 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,239 means he can train groups, individuals anyway. 705 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,760 So that's but so they do have. A run school? 706 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,600 There's a legit system to this anyway, he said. 707 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,320 Hope it helps here and this is he's not our information. 708 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,160 He coaches beginners and easy pace for new runners are trained 709 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,200 them to run at is fully nasal pace. 710 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,640 What's nasal pace? Well, because it sounds like he. 711 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,560 I'm going to take, I'm going to take a guess at it means you can 712 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640 run by only breathing through your nose. 713 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,280 And I guarantee everybody who's out there listening to this 714 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200 right now, if they're running or whatever, has just closed their 715 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,160 mouth and just breathe in through their nose for a second. 716 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040 I've. Never really thought about it. 717 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,640 Have you have? You pace. 718 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,680 Have you ever? Sorry, Let's finish off on what 719 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,800 flow pace. No, no, we'll come back to it 720 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,040 because I I've got something off. 721 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,600 Have you? Ever done? 722 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,760 Because I hear people talk about Chris Wooley. 723 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,920 Yep. Horrocks gun? 724 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,520 Yep. Who you've done some stuff with? 725 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,800 He often when I see him post on his Instagram page, talks about 726 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,320 nasal breathing. Yeah, right. 727 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,600 With I don't know what. Look, whenever he starts doing 728 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600 it, I've tried it. I reckon I've tried it for about 729 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,000 400 metres once and I went, Nah, that's pretty hard and I've 730 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,520 given up on it. But do you know much about it? 731 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,200 No, OK, but what where I was going. 732 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560 So no, I don't know much about the the whole nasal breathing 733 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,600 thing. And I've had, I can recall over, 734 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,880 you know, years and years of doing this, a few different 735 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,200 methods. I suppose run coaches would use. 736 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400 One was, you know, breathe in your nose and then out your 737 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,960 mouth. And that might be look, I'm not 738 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,480 advocating that I whatever I how do you breathe? 739 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,880 Well, look, I, I, I can't say I've actually thought about it 740 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,120 lately, but one thing that I did, and it was when I was 741 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,720 training up in Brisbane around Pat Klahesi's squad. 742 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,760 So I'm not sure who gave the advice, but there was something 743 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,880 around, you know, to control your breathing, you know, 744 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,640 breathing in and running four steps and then breathing out on 745 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,920 the fourth step. So you're actually, you know, 746 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,400 matching your breathing to your running cadence with not not a 747 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,080 performance benefit here by any means. 748 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,400 I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying it was a way to 749 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,880 try and control your breathing. If it was getting out of hand, 750 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,440 which may be in in some effect, then controls the pace you're 751 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040 going and figures out if you can run, you know, four steps, 752 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,360 breathe in, four steps, breathe out. 753 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,240 Then you're running at a pace which is easy enough for you to 754 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,880 get benefit. You're not overdoing it. 755 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Got you, got you, got you. I've got no expertise and all 756 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,360 that. I don't follow breathing. 757 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,040 So take it with a as a grain of salt. 758 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,440 Back to this is like how easy the easiest running with say 759 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,760 coaches, beginners, an easy pace for them is nasal breathing as 760 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280 it pretty much equates to zone. Two. 761 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840 That's interesting. And they don't need a garment, 762 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920 etcetera, or have to know their pacing, their pace. 763 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,280 He finds their pace of these new runners can be about 15 minutes 764 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,800 per kilometre. Geez. 765 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,440 Yep, now that is slow. So this is what this is what 766 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,040 we're talking about. Like depending on what you're 767 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,120 running as a beginner, what is the pace? 768 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,480 So he's saying they could be up to 15 minutes a kilometre. 769 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,120 They do park runs in 45 minutes plus and they're going flat out. 770 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,040 So to anybody who's out there right now listening and thinking 771 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,840 I'm lugging along at 7 minutes per K, you're not slow for these 772 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,240 people. These people were looking at a 773 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,120 10 minute PBA, 10 minute improvement on their PB to keep 774 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,320 up with you. So don't be discouraged if you 775 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,200 think you're running slow. No, no, you've been a bit 776 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,680 aggressive with these people, but they're not, they're these 777 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,000 people, these nasal breathers, they're runners because of 778 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760 course they're getting out. So it could be, you know, you 779 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,640 could be talking about, you know, an older male or female 780 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120 getting out in the 70s and just wanting to achieve a park run. 781 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,320 And that would be their pace. We're going to get a lot more 782 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,320 information as we go through the year on this because I'm not 783 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200 going to, you know, I think this was great information, but it's 784 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,080 not our information. But I thought it was 785 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,160 interesting. We've got something there. 786 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,720 You go give give If you're out running, just try and have 787 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,480 another nasal breath for for see if you can do it for AK because 788 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,520 it's it's a strange sensation. I'll let you report back on that 789 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,960 with William. Yeah, you don't. 790 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,160 And, and talking about that, like what what if you you 791 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,880 obviously started the new show? That's right. 792 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,720 You got the new job going second day in. 793 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,040 What else has been happening? Mate, I as I mentioned at the 794 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,440 top pro hours training now for me hot I'm going to have to find 795 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,600 ways to adapt to that because I'm not going to There's just 796 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,960 days I'm not going to be able to run post sort of 11:00 AM just 797 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,520 too hot. I actually the run I did go on, 798 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,320 I did 13 KS and I reckon I was running at about 450 pace. 799 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,560 I was running and OK and I was hot but I felt really good. 800 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,400 Actually the body feels quite good right now. 450 pace for me 801 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,520 felt quite comfortable. So temperature aside, I wasn't 802 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,240 gassed. It was, it was actually quite a 803 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:43,040 nice run aside from the heat. But interestingly, last Saturday 804 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,720 when I was out with my main Beach run group, Eddie Gordon, 805 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,160 Friends of People You Know, Ree Crayon and Will Davidson, her 806 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,400 husband, Viet supercar driver, Ree, part of Channel 7 supercar 807 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,560 coverage. Ree, famously from the Noosa 808 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,120 Triathlon Celebrity Race Legends Race, had a crash on her bike. 809 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840 We talked about and talked to. How's she going? 810 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,840 Is she all right? She's. 811 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,000 She's back running, She's back on her bike. 812 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,040 She's yeah, she's back. Smile on her face. 813 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,320 You can't keep Ree down. But interestingly, we we're on 814 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,240 our way back, we do a 10K run with this group. 815 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560 And at the turn around point, as he said, right, I want you to go 816 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,920 back at 7 out of 10 pace, OK. And I offhandedly kind of went, 817 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,080 oh jeez, I don't know what my 7 out of 10 pace did. 818 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,200 He pull out the RPE chart and this is. 819 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,920 Well, RE without missing AB turned to me and said, Liam, you 820 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,360 just did a whole episode about figuring out you 5 out of 10 821 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,400 pace. And I was like, Oh no, so I 822 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,360 haven't. But it's interesting because 823 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,880 it's easy to understand what your zero is. 824 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,880 It's easy to understand what your 10 is. 825 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,200 And by that it's kind of easy to figure out what your 5 is. 826 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,400 But figuring out that 6789 or 4321 conversely is, is an 827 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,040 exercise in itself a bit. So I'm sort of figuring out 828 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,600 where my 7 out of 10 pace is at the moment. 829 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,160 Where it is I've lost that I was just trying to you. 830 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,840 Posted it on the I know and it's the story last. 831 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120 Week trying to find the chart because the funny one that came 832 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,680 from from South Africa was all about you know, like I think the 833 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,520 last the one was like 10. You're running from lie. 834 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. 835 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,040 So it's like, you know, 10 is your, that is your running for 836 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,000 your life. Yep. 837 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,640 If 10 is running for your life. What's 7? 838 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920 And five is where you're comfortably you can cruise 839 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,160 along. What's your 7? 840 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,840 And I think I found out, I think I ended up running that last 5K 841 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,000 back I averaged. I probably ran at about 4:20 842 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,880 pace. Jesus. 843 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,360 Moving, well, 42425 pace and I felt it's good pace because for 844 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,080 yourself, for for me, reasonable. 845 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000 Yeah. And what Adsi said to me, I talk 846 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,400 about because I said what's my 7 out of 10 pace and then re gave 847 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,000 me a bollocking, which I thoroughly deserved. 848 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,440 But Adsi, what he said was, well when you get back, don't be 849 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,120 knackered, don't be exhausted, don't be cooked, don't be tired. 850 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,720 And I got back and I'd run it and I'm like, I'm not tired. 851 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,320 So I think you did. You did right. 852 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,880 So I think I did it right. You listen to the. 853 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,720 Code that would make sense, but before we move on to your Fraser 854 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:19,920 adventure, I do want to flag a dilemma I have in my running 855 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,400 wardrobe at the moment. We love talking about equipment, 856 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,440 we love talking in shoes. We've had some watch chat. 857 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,840 You've talked a little bit about the danger of white T shirts in 858 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,000 your running wardrobes because they end up going see through. 859 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,000 I love Nike, I've got a pair of Nike Pegasus on right now. 860 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,440 But what I will say is Nike there's this. 861 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,440 I've got 2 pairs of Nike running shorts which present me an 862 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480 enormous problem. I was running along the front 863 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,920 the other day doing a pretty I was running at my 5 out of 10 864 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,920 pace Yep and felt good ticking along. 865 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,240 Was getting a lot of looks as I was running past I. 866 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,320 Don't know if I want to. Know now I am not, the show's 867 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,600 only just started, so I'm not so naive as to think I'm being 868 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,680 recognised, but I did think there are. 869 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,600 I'm getting more glimpses than I would normally. 870 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:23,480 The shorts, these two pairs of shorts, they when you sweat it, 871 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,680 it somehow funnels straight down to look like you pissed 872 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,640 yourself. What colour are they? 873 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000 They're like an olive green. Well, this is your mistake from 874 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000 the beginning. This is when you choose black in 875 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,280 Queensland for everything but. That and that's I, I will never 876 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,080 be able to run in anything other than black now because these 877 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,480 these shorts I've been running in just look like I've, I just 878 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,800 couldn't be bothered going to the toilet. 879 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,680 I know it's I, I, I can visualise it now because I've 880 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,240 seen it happen. I know, I know, I know the 881 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,520 dilemma. Now I I blame myself as much as 882 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600 I'm having a go at Nike for it. I've I blame myself because they 883 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,600 were on the sale rack. I got them on the discount. 884 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,240 That's why everyone probably knew what was wrong with them. 885 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,160 But it's yeah, it's I'm I have to do a way out now. 886 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,360 I probably only got 3 pairs of shorts I can run in because 887 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,280 there's this pair and a blue pair that it just. 888 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,120 OK, we need to get you a pair of black proper shorts. 889 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920 Let's nappy centre. Add that to the garage. 890 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Add that to the garage list on the way out because I think I've 891 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,840 talked about how much like I am biassed. 892 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,520 I obviously run for Solomon, but the one thing that they do, I 893 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,160 think amazing is their shorts. They're top of the range shorts, 894 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,040 trail shorts with amazing. So let's see, we can. 895 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,640 I've got what what? What's your? 896 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,320 I'm a 32. How are? 897 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880 You I'm, I say I'm like 32 on a good day. 898 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,560 Oh. Really. 899 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,000 I am genuinely A32. No, I'm a 32. 900 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,320 So I got a pair of I got a pair of bodies the other day and they 901 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,200 only had a 33 left and I've worn them and. 902 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,040 Then I hopefully should be able to sort that out on the way out 903 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,520 when and solve that problem. So in short, if you see me 904 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,120 running along the front of the beaches down around Crum and of 905 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520 late, I haven't, I don't I don't have an incontinence problem. 906 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,840 People can't be getting the toilets. 907 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,320 It's the shorts. I swear, what's been going on 908 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,120 and they. Don't know you're from the 909 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,640 podcast, which is good. So that's a good thing. 910 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,560 Like that's a good thing. Well, how was, how was Fraser? 911 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,280 Well, I was concerned because I really didn't think I'd be able 912 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,760 to run on Fraser and the good news is I did get to run on 913 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,080 Fraser, so I only got 50K out for the week, which, you know 914 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,200 what, whatever by 4. Standards. 915 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Yeah, it's a lot of 1250K. How many hours were what was the 916 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,280 time? Yeah, not case. 917 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,840 Yeah, feel free to pick me up on that. 918 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,960 So Fraser, yeah, like I was over at Kingfisher Bay Resort, so we 919 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,240 were driving the four drives out each day to go to, you know, all 920 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,360 the different places on Fraser and what I think like everyone 921 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400 tells you not to go to Fraser Island. 922 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,200 So Fraser Island, for those listen, overseas or don't know, 923 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,640 it's a island off Harvey Bay in Queensland, up north of 924 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,480 Brisbane. Biggest sand island in the 925 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,240 world. In the world. 926 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,000 Yeah. Known for the dingoes. 927 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,240 Known for beautiful Christine freshwater lake, pristine 928 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,520 freshwater lakes as well. So everyone says school holidays 929 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,000 don't go there. People are gonna bog. 930 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,840 You're gonna be in Congo lines. It's awful. 931 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160 No, it was it was brilliant. We were driving across the 932 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,280 island from Kingfisher, like an hour and a half or an hour, 15 933 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,000 drive. Yeah. 934 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,840 We're gonna run into five cars. Oh, really? 935 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,600 Never had any. Not not one issue. 936 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,520 Did get to Lake McKenzie one day and the car park we got there 937 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,720 about 10:00 AM and the car park was full and it's nearly self 938 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,640 seating. So once that car park's full 939 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,560 there is nowhere else to park. You just got to come back later 940 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,800 in the day so it actually controls how busy it can get. 941 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,760 But really mate, I, I, I've heard all these horror stories. 942 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,040 Brilliant. So I mean, you've you've done a 943 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,920 great job for tourism Fraser Island. 944 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,160 Yeah, but but I'm curious to know how you ran because for 945 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,360 those that don't know dingo infested and the they say don't 946 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,120 run. Don't run. 947 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,320 So there's dingo fences around the resort. 948 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,640 So the resort's on the western, the western side of the island, 949 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,320 so the non seaward side of the island. 950 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,840 And I was thinking the dingo because I've been there a few 951 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,720 times and seen the fence and I was thinking it would probably 952 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:10,880 just run around the back of the resort. 953 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,760 So I was thinking I'm going to be stuck in a 1K radius. 954 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,760 All right. The reality is it's the dingo 955 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,360 fence runs, you know, three by three K, there's A1 kilometre of 956 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,680 trail climb there. There's a road that I never knew 957 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,360 existed up there was a hill. I did. 958 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,360 So what I did do, I didn't have much time. 959 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,640 We had to get going in the morning. 960 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,760 So, and this is like if you're ever on holidays and you just 961 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,840 need to get something done quick and you're not really sure what 962 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,600 to do, you can't fit in a full session. 963 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,920 My go to is if if there's a hill there, warm up and then just go 964 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,800 and start repeating the hill. This hill was bloody tough. 965 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,960 It was I was running 2 minutes up this steep hill and did a few 966 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,360 repeats of that one day. Went up the trail section one 967 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,320 day found a few other trails through there. 968 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,600 Like mate it was great run and I still just didn't. 969 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,720 It wasn't the location, it was just I was busy. 970 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,240 I didn't have the time so. So you got to run on Fraser? 971 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,160 Got to run on Fraser and then on the weekend, I've already 972 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,400 explained Nerang. We had a great group out there 973 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,880 in Nerang and you know, it was a very event, eventful day. 974 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,000 And then this morning I was up at the spit on my usual fart 975 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,400 like on a Tuesday. And we have a like I suppose 976 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400 when I was running with the elite mob back there at Gold 977 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,400 Coast Runco years and years ago, we if you ran out, say we did a 978 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,920 20 minute fart, like we run out, turn around at 10 minutes and 979 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,960 run back. And then, you know, you're 980 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,840 chasing the people who haven't run out as far. 981 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,160 It's a great way to include everyone in the session. 982 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,960 And I know pretty well not distance, we just know the point 983 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,080 you get to at 10 minutes, you know, if you can get to the get 984 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,400 out of the Spit Trail and onto the seawall and you can get to 985 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,440 the like the Coast Guard's tower. 986 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:58,920 Yep, like you're Tim Vincent, if you just creep out, you know, 987 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,080 you're back going well. And I made it. 988 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,840 I reckon I got about 40 metres out on the seawall today, which 989 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600 I haven't done in. So you are running well. 990 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,360 I was going to say all. Fresh no, but this is what it 991 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,000 comes back. I think if we you know, if you 992 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,600 were to track your mood around your running in the last even 993 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,200 just in the episodes of the podcast, you. 994 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,280 You are running. I made the seawall. 995 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,320 That was an achievement. Yeah, that's an amazing, 996 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,120 amazing. Quickly before we move on, 997 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,080 because we're about to get to some of these WTF events that 998 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:34,800 keep on coming in couple of what was it 3, three weeks ago, four 999 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,880 weeks ago maybe you talked about the idea of Kanani. 1000 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,640 Yeah. And potentially going down 1001 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:49,720 there, I, I, I, I don't want to say you've failed to disclose 1002 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:54,760 the seriousness of this race, but over the weekend or over the 1003 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,280 last week, I've spoken to someone who did that race. 1004 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,640 Yes. And let me reenact the 1005 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:08,200 conversation for you. I was standing there and the two 1006 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,440 guys I was with, Whippett and Rady, who you know, both of 1007 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,120 them, Whippett said, started talking about Kanani. 1008 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,960 And Rady said who's doing Kanani? 1009 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,280 And Whippett said, oh, Fanas is doing Kanani and Rady. 1010 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,680 The look on Rady's face as he looked at me and said you're 1011 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,040 doing Kanani. And I kind of wait. 1012 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,400 Yeah, Rady said. That's the hardest race I've 1013 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,680 ever done. And we were at the front of 1014 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040 Whippet's house, and Whippet's got this big hill that runs next 1015 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,280 to his house. And he then proceeded ready, 1016 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,440 then proceeded to look at me and said, if you're going to do 1017 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,840 Kanani, do you know what a good training session would be? 1018 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:53,920 Walk that hill 100 times that that would take me all day to 1019 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,080 try and do that. Yeah. 1020 00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:02,360 I accuse you, Courtney Atkinson, of not properly preparing me and 1021 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,040 briefing me for this trail race. Is it as hard as Rudy's saying? 1022 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,360 You have to run up Mount Wellington to begin with. 1023 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,880 I've. Never been to Mount Wellington. 1024 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,280 I don't know what Mount Wellington looks like. 1025 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,320 It's. Well, you've heard of the 1026 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160 Pinnacle race where they run up the road? 1027 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,920 Not really, no. The Pinnacle Rd run, I think 1028 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,800 it's a half marathon, so that starts to put it into context. 1029 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,200 1/2 marathon uphill. Right. 1030 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,600 All uphill. Well, give me some context. 1031 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,920 I've done UTA 50. How much harder is it this is? 1032 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:38,560 This is more of a true mountain race verse trail race in the 1033 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,280 sense of look, I don't know my stats, so I'm not going to start 1034 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480 whacking out, but like, let's just for argument's sake, say 1035 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,560 you start at the water where the Sydney to Hobart race finishes 1036 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,120 the yacht race. So you're at sea level, It's 1037 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,840 well, they have a vertical kilometre, so it's going to go 1038 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,760 up over 1000 metres that that's just the beginning. 1039 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,000 That's the beginning. Well, yeah, well, that's not, 1040 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,440 that doesn't make the whole course. 1041 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,320 So then when you get up the top you get to run around some rocks 1042 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,000 and a few other things up there. It'll be fun, mate. 1043 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,240 How long is? This going to take me? 1044 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,600 Well, it depends on what distance you want to do. 1045 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,520 Before I've run up the trail, I've done the race. 1046 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,920 How long are you budgeting for it to take you? 1047 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,160 No. I haven't even thought about it. 1048 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,440 I just thought it'd be a great place to go and and run. 1049 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,880 We've looked at two photos. We looked at Noosa and we looked 1050 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,080 at Kanani and I was like, Mount Wellington looks way, way more 1051 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,760 interesting. The. 1052 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,560 Flats The flats of Noosa seem way more. 1053 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,200 Sounds like you're having second thoughts I'm. 1054 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,200 Genuinely nervous now, getting really scared the crap out of me 1055 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,400 anyway. Well, on mountains. 1056 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:48,920 My first WTF of the week is the tenement mountain jumping 1057 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,800 competition in China. OK, it's not uphill running. 1058 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,320 This is downhill running. Now think of think of an A like 1059 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,800 a a kids optical obstacle course and putting that on the steepest 1060 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,800 section of the downhill of the Great Wall of China. 1061 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,040 These guys are like kind of what's that show on TV? 1062 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,240 We where the guys do all the gym stuff. 1063 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,520 Ultimate. Warrior. 1064 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,600 No, no Ninja. Warrior, Ninja warrior, Ninja 1065 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,600 warrior. So think of Ninja Warrior for a 1066 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,720 kilometre downhill, and they've just put all these obstacles and 1067 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,280 boxes on steps and these guys are fanging it. 1068 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,080 So it's kind of like parkour. Yeah, like free running. 1069 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,120 Who's? The guy who does free the Aussie 1070 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040 fella that free Dom tomato Dom did you see the other day to see 1071 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,320 him have a great. He would be a gun at this. 1072 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,280 See Dom the other day, I think I read he has the most the most 1073 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,840 views ever on an Instagram reel. Really. 1074 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,240 Yep. I'm not going to try and quote 1075 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:49,960 the number, but I'm assuming it's a crap load. 1076 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,120 So he had some most views ever on an Instagram reel. 1077 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,840 And do you know what? Have a guess what he did and 1078 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,440 he's a free runner. What do you think he did to get 1079 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,360 the most views ever on a reel? I'm. 1080 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,760 Guessing he did some sort of big drop or big jump something. 1081 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,080 He jumped off a building, tried to get across the water and 1082 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,680 smacked his head on a piece of concrete. 1083 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,760 He was eating it. Yeah. 1084 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,360 Oh my gosh. I'm just bringing it up now I'm 1085 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,680 having a look at it. What are you looking at? 1086 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,200 I'm watching the reel. Oh no, I'm watching that reel 1087 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,440 00. This is the mountain. 1088 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,360 The mountain run. No, I think you're looking at 1089 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,600 Don. No, I am watching. 1090 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,080 Don Oh, you're watching Don Tomato. 1091 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,280 Oh. And that's why, because you're 1092 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,680 you. How many times have you watched 1093 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,200 it? Now I'm. 1094 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,040 Watching it again, yeah. Oh I know it looks like he hits 1095 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,160 his head but he actually it catches him under. 1096 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,880 But again, we celebrate. We'll put it all these. 1097 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,600 I agree. You'll have to remind me to put 1098 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,840 that one in the. 910. I need to write it in. 710 1099 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,400 million views that's had. 710 million, so let's put Dom. 1100 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,800 And now it's going to have 710 million and three because that 1101 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000 is I mean. I'm going to, yeah. 1102 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,200 We'll put that in the reel for everyone. 1103 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,840 I've just put in the notes. Anyway, that's what do you 1104 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,120 reckon about the mountain run thing, I mean. 1105 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,360 I love it. No, I and that's that's I'd do 1106 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,160 that. I'd absolutely do that. 1107 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,360 You you got. To have flexibility for. 1108 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,280 That I'd be terrible at it, but I'd still do it. 1109 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,640 Yeah, that's good. I like that one. 1110 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,040 So that I like, I like it, but it's not my favourite of the 1111 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,080 day. So we're getting into the better 1112 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,480 stuff. I'm going to play some audio. 1113 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:36,760 Here we go. You got that? 1114 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,560 Oh, yeah, Yeah. So I'm. 1115 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,320 I'm going to do the translation here. 1116 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,760 Yeah. And the runner, he can hear deep 1117 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,200 breathing. He's saying I need a chicken 1118 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,200 leg. I need a chicken leg. 1119 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,880 This is this is great. This is the the Ginning Taibai 1120 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:05,280 Lake Half Marathon in Shandong and they have a a chicken aid 1121 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,920 station. They have a chicken aid station 1122 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,160 but. People are grabbing chicken 1123 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,720 wings and breasts. And they go. 1124 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,880 And the rice chicken is rich in protein and other nutritional, 1125 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,440 nutritional components can replenish the energy for 1126 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,720 runners. But this guy can't find his. 1127 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,400 He can't find the chicken leg. He doesn't want the wings. 1128 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,120 He doesn't want the breast. He needs his leg. 1129 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,200 What? How would you go consuming 1130 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,680 chicken mid rice? I reckon if I was running hard, 1131 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,400 it'd be a hard hard. Swallow. 1132 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,520 Swallow, wouldn't it? Yeah. 1133 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,240 I'm just trying to imagine putting it even in a sandwich 1134 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,960 it. Depends on how hard you're 1135 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,680 going. Food is all about but but if you 1136 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,200 this brings on like this is an energy station. 1137 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,000 It looks like a Mara. What would you say it is half 1138 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,720 marathon, half marathon. If you could have anything you 1139 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,640 like at the aid station at the Gold Coast Marathon, when you're 1140 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,240 running through, what are you? What? 1141 00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,200 What are you going to choose? Anything so? 1142 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,840 The interest, the times I've run marathons, the times where I've 1143 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,960 and even Utah, any time I've sort of gone into that hurt 1144 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,440 locker where I'm like, I need things in me sugar, but I hit a 1145 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,200 point of those runs or am I? The last thing I want to see is 1146 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,760 anything sweet because it just it I've been if it's whether 1147 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,440 it's gels or goose or whatever, or even the the electrolyte 1148 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,520 drinks, there's a sweetness to everything. 1149 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,600 And so it's just it my mouth. Your taste buds are just craving 1150 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,600 anything but that. Then the irony is the moment I 1151 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,760 finish, you see, I see people drink beers. 1152 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,760 I don't understand how they do it because all I after anywhere, 1153 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,960 it used to be a footy game. All I wanted was a freezing cold 1154 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:51,640 can of Coke I think. You're just going to say a Coke? 1155 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,600 No, I'm not. I'm not. 1156 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,760 Do you know what actually was a welcome relief on those trail 1157 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,560 runs I've done is a is a honey and peanut butter sandwich where 1158 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,280 it's almost, it no longer resembles a sandwich because 1159 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,560 it's been squished up in the in the back of my pack for so long. 1160 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,960 But so, so it's almost just like this sandwich bowl. 1161 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,800 Back to the basics, it's like being a kid at school when you 1162 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,360 like shove shove the the brown paper bag into your school bag. 1163 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,720 Stepped on it a few times and then finally I've got to eat 1164 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,520 this for lunch. Yep. 1165 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,280 There is no greater realisation moment, there's no greater 1166 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,440 example of when that fuel is just food, taste doesn't matter 1167 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,080 than in the middle of one of these things. 1168 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,000 But chicken would be a bridge too far for me. 1169 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,040 Boy, what would you love? You know what, I've a few times 1170 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,000 really got somewhere in and more in the trail races than than Rd 1171 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840 races or tries, but I just wanted a Slurpee. 1172 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,640 Oh yeah, like a prop when it's when it's a, you know, like 1173 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,600 you're cooked. Yeah, it's a hot day. 1174 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,400 I have one of those down at Kira. 1175 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,720 Yeah, like 2-3 weeks ago I was at half point of like I was 1176 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,680 halfway and I was about 9 guys into a run now. 1177 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,560 The 711 stop. Yep, 711 at Kira there. 1178 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,680 That's great. That's. 1179 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,000 So a 52nd time it saved you. They're so cheap, they're. 1180 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,240 So cheap, so cheap and it just gives you that instant. 1181 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,800 It cools you off, gives you sugar hit, then you roll. 1182 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,040 On Yep. So that's, yeah, I want, I want, 1183 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,440 I want a Slurpee station. OK. 1184 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,360 And then finally rolling off the that I was then looking at what 1185 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,440 weird things you eat or see at events. 1186 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,160 And this one? Have you heard of the Krispy 1187 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,320 Kreme Challenge? Well, I've got my own Krispy 1188 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,160 Kreme challenge. How do I how do I eat these and 1189 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,360 not tell my wife about them? But. 1190 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,600 See, she doesn't really tell us too much, but I'll explain it. 1191 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,720 So it started back in 2004, a dare between a couple college 1192 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440 ships at NC State. So now it's a full blown charity 1193 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,480 race. So didn't give me much 1194 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,920 information there, but what I can tell you, 4000 runners, they 1195 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,160 go 2.5 miles and then to a Krispy Kreme shop and they've 1196 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,400 got to eat 12 doughnuts before returning. 1197 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,040 I love. How would you go with the how do 1198 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,200 you go with the dozen? How would you go with the dozen? 1199 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,680 No, I'd be. I'd be able to get that. 1200 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,320 Done you reckon you'd get it in? Fact. 1201 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,560 What's 2.5 miles in K's? It's like 5. 1202 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000 Nah, not that far. What is it? 1203 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,920 1.6 so 3.2 half is 8 so it's 4K's, yeah. 1204 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,520 Close to four. OK, what would you run 8K's in? 1205 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,960 Yeah, at at the moment. You're asking questions that 1206 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,520 I've got to do maths for, Liam. Well, it's not that hard, Liam. 1207 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,600 You went to two Olympic Games, you're an athlete, you should be 1208 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,800 able to do this maths in your head. 1209 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,360 Could you run 3 minute pace for eight KS at the moment? 1210 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,160 No. Could you run three 30s? 1211 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,200 Yes. OK, let's say let's give you 1212 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,800 three 30s. Yeah. 1213 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,960 Well, jeez, yeah, I'm a bit quick on the three 30s. 1214 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,120 Oh, well, this one just say three 30s. 1215 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,800 Yes, let's say. Three 30s. 1216 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,280 So you're going to run at 28 minutes? 1217 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,800 Yep. How fast could you? 1218 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,040 How would you go eating doughnuts? 1219 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,880 12 doughnuts. Depending, like, see, this is 1220 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,520 where I got into what doughnuts. So they're going to Krispy 1221 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,880 Kreme. Yeah, I reckon I could do the 1222 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,640 Krispy Kreme to glaze 'cause they're they're air. 1223 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,040 Yeah. They're air if you if you went 1224 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,040 to what's the other mob Dunkin? Dunkin Donuts with the Dunkin 1225 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,800 Donuts the heavy icing. But even their cinnamon, yeah, 1226 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,360 you know, they have like you do. You know, you get 3 cinnamons 1227 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,440 for 6 bucks or whatever. If you told me to do 12 of them, 1228 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,760 you'd be struggling. They're dough. 1229 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,840 They're doughy. The reason I ask is because I'm 1230 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,600 wondering whether this is a race where you and I actually it 1231 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,040 might be in that given out only because I'd catch you up on the 1232 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,080 eating. I reckon if we did, instead of 1233 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,720 the Krispy Kreme challenge, do the Dunkin Donut challenge. 1234 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,840 Or then I'd be a chance. You'd you'd be in there? 1235 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,640 I reckon I'd struggle. You might have to look. 1236 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,400 You know what I'd go through? Robina Townsend. 1237 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,640 Yeah. I can hardly just smell them. 1238 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,480 Now I want. It's a hard one to walk. 1239 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,720 Past now I want a donut so badly all right there's some good WTI 1240 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,680 like the food edition food edition the WTF events as well 1241 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,640 right? What do you mean we got to get 1242 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,920 to? We got some questions that 1243 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,520 people have sent in because we love getting the expertise of 1 1244 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,320 Courtney Atkinson Tea. We'll get to those in a moment, 1245 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,760 but we've got some more audio, Courtney. 1246 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,080 Yeah, this one. We'll see where we go with it. 1247 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,440 Hey, let's listen first. Call punch trend cold Cold 1248 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,520 plunge is good for health trend which led to a multi $1,000,000 1249 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,360 industry of cold plunges started when there was a collaboration 1250 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,960 between the podcast host Andrew Huberman and a researcher, I 1251 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,600 believe her name is Susanna Soberg. 1252 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,880 She had a study published in a medical journal where she 1253 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,760 purported to say that cold plunges activate all of these 1254 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,160 metabolic pathways that charge your metabolism and lead to 1255 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,280 better health and weight loss. Andrew Huberman did 9 hours of 1256 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,600 podcast, had her on his show. Next thing you know he is 1257 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,640 recording Instagram posts from a cold plunge. 1258 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,200 Every other influencer is 2 telling you how great these cold 1259 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,200 plunges are. All tracing back to the study. 1260 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,400 This study had a sample size of 15 people. 1261 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,080 The experimental group was 8. The control group was 7. 1262 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,000 The experimental group on average had about 50% less body 1263 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,720 fat than the control group. So it's a sample size of 15 1264 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,280 people and the controls are unmatched. 1265 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,840 That should already disqualify this from being taken seriously. 1266 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,520 However, the study shows, quote unquote, statistically 1267 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,960 significant results from the cold plunge in this group. 1268 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,040 You want to know what the statistically significant result 1269 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,480 was? The people who cold plunged over 1270 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,720 24 hours burned about 24 more calories than the people who 1271 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,840 didn't. If I did one minute of jumping 1272 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,600 jacks, I'd probably burn 24 calories and that started the 1273 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,560 entire cold punch. So this was from. 1274 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,840 Tell me what I've just listened to. 1275 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,160 So this was from the Growth Equation podcast. 1276 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,680 So these guys are all about like, you know, expertise 1277 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,640 performance, but science based performance. 1278 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,040 And what they're saying is don't believe everything you see on 1279 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,520 the Internet. They're saying the whole cold 1280 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,880 plunge trend that's happened recently more through 1281 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,320 influences. So we're not talking about the 1282 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,000 Wim Hof stuff and all that. We're talking about, you know, 1283 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,920 Bondi and you know, Bondi on the beach, all the ice bars and 1284 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,960 that. They're saying a lot of this 1285 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,360 trend started. They've what pinpointed where 1286 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,320 the trend started and why it started, and then saying that 1287 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,680 the actual basis of that particular information was 1288 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,360 flawed. So to break it down, they're 1289 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,440 saying Andrew Huberman is the influencer in this in this 1290 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,000 moment. He's taken some data from 1 1291 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,840 researcher and because of his level of influence, that data 1292 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,040 has then been sent out and taken as gospel. 1293 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,520 The data itself isn't as compelling as well. 1294 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,520 If, if all the people who've gone out and got into cold, 1295 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,520 plunging off the back of what Huberman said had just read the 1296 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,240 data, there's no way they would have bought into it like they 1297 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,080 have. So they're looking at a specific 1298 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,480 a specific data point and what they're coming out of it. 1299 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,600 So when I talk about Winkhoff and I talk about other things, 1300 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,960 because I know this, this is a really decisive like people get 1301 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,480 so wound up about this subject of ice baths. 1302 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,960 I'd actually go as far as saying that if, if there's one thing 1303 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,440 that for health that's trending in the last kind of, you know, 1304 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,600 five years or whatever that you know, people are on either side 1305 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,000 of it's ice baths. Would you agree? 1306 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,760 It's it's funny how people again to I I do agree, but it is funny 1307 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:24,040 how people can become like it's like supporting sporting teams 1308 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,840 like I'm team ice bath like I am. 1309 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,320 It's like, yeah, it's an it's an it's a non negotiable. 1310 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,480 It's a must hit for me and. But why? 1311 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,080 But they say the reason I grab this was like, wasn't 1312 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,400 specifically, let's not get hung up too much on the ice bar 1313 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,440 specifically. It's just that whole idea of not 1314 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,440 questioning why. Am I doing this like what is it? 1315 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:52,960 Look, I would guess that there's a lot of people that do it 1316 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,120 because they do like the way they feel after it and the like 1317 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,800 the way I I've no doubt there are a lot of people. 1318 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,760 And I think if you sort of pulled some people up on it and 1319 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,640 really sort of put their back up against the wall and while they 1320 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,040 were doing this, it's easy to default to a wall because I like 1321 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,880 the way it makes me feel. I don't think there's as many 1322 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,400 people doing the level of exercise that justifies cold 1323 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,080 plunge type recovery methods then to because you know, you've 1324 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,280 talked about you as an Olympian, you tried it and you gave it up 1325 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,320 and. But that's subjective as as. 1326 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,640 Well, that was for you in turn, but. 1327 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,320 We we had the data at that point in time to say it doesn't. 1328 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,720 Do anything this will. Well, The thing is, and this is 1329 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,800 probably a good, you know, where we can take this is I think it's 1330 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,520 worth noting that over time, whether it's nutrition, whether 1331 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,680 it's ice bath with whether it's Physiology and all that, over 1332 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,200 time we evolve. Yeah. 1333 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,960 And, and, and the literature and the studies, it all evolves and 1334 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,040 what, what we thought five years ago is a different protocol or a 1335 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,080 different thing that we do to today. 1336 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,840 And that will change again. You know, there's a lot of, 1337 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,240 let's just say it changes, it changes. 1338 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,200 And it's so hard to know what to throw, what, what to throw, you 1339 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,680 know, if you're full weight behind in the sense of like, 1340 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,920 this thing's really going to work for me and make a 1341 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,600 difference and I'm going to go all in on it because you can't 1342 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,120 go all in on everything. No, of course not. 1343 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,840 But also, and I think to what you just said, then there is 1344 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,680 that can I, I'm going to put my throw my full weight behind it 1345 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,560 changes, which just means that you're learning, you're 1346 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,320 learning, you know you it's if and if it changes and you change 1347 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,360 your practise, then good. But you can, I think you can, 1348 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,120 you probably can avoid some of those pitfalls with just asking 1349 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,040 a few more questions as well or fearing it, having it, figuring 1350 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,360 out a little bit more information. 1351 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,640 Ask one more question than you think you need to. 1352 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,240 Yeah, I think so. You know what, Courtney? 1353 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,200 It's kind of like when you go, but I told someone this in the 1354 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,320 office today who asked about what shoes should I get. 1355 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,680 I said do you know what the best shoes you are for you to get 1356 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,760 would be to start running the ones that feel great after 1357 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,120 you've tried on 6 pairs? I said. 1358 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,600 I said because she literally she's. 1359 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,040 We've got a, we can we can trademark. 1360 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:20,120 This I I she said she played netball and I said, oh, OK, what 1361 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,560 what shoes do you play netball? And she goes netball shoes. 1362 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,120 I'm like, yeah, but what brand are they? 1363 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,920 She said ASICS and I said, well, why don't you run in a pair of 1364 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,040 ASICS? Then she said, oh, because I 1365 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,560 don't like them. I'm like, great, don't run in 1366 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,319 them. Go try and find other pairs of 1367 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,520 shoes, find out which ones you like. 1368 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,840 And it was just an easy conversation to say the best 1369 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,160 pair of shoes for you are the ones that feel great after 1370 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,319 you've tried on a bunch. I do refuse to, you know, she 1371 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,279 said, oh, but no, but what, which ones would you recommend? 1372 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,840 I'm like, the ones that work for me are not the ones that will 1373 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,319 work for you. It's you know, go out and find 1374 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:54,399 the shoes and it you know if cold plunging works for you, 1375 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,240 great. Just because someone told you it 1376 01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,279 works for them doesn't mean it's going to work for you. 1377 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,479 Yeah, talking about you just made me think about shoes, 1378 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,920 right? And I will talk about this a 1379 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,800 little bit more, but one of the ladies, cat from Gold Coast, Run 1380 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:15,120 Coast sent us some information about what to do with equipment 1381 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,240 or shoes and that and what we can do with them after them 1382 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,160 instead of trying them out. I'm going to bring this up in 1383 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,080 the next few weeks. But one of the things, the 1384 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,800 reason she actually first come in and or had a chat or sent me 1385 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,279 a message was she actually, you remember that guide I had on 1386 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,200 runners and yeah, what each brand had which runners she was 1387 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,160 taken back because she runs in Brooks and Brooks weren't on the 1388 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,359 on the list. And I wrote back to him and I 1389 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:43,600 said, don't worry, I run in Solomon. 1390 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,920 And they were. They don't wanna literally see 1391 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,840 you, don't worry. But. 1392 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,279 Brooks is that one. I think Brooks is an interesting 1393 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,240 shoe company at the moment because talking about this thing 1394 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,040 with the the ice bars and influencers, Brooks are the 1395 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,680 influencers shoe. Yeah, yeah, because I kind of 1396 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,920 find that. I don't know how if it's just 1397 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,360 what I see, but I kind of find the the crew where Brooks 1398 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,840 invest, at least here in Australia, invest some of their 1399 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,040 money. It's nearly like they've given 1400 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,440 up on actually trying to win the performance audience. 1401 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:15,680 Yep. And they have just gone hard, 1402 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,480 hard into your everyday runner and influencer audience. 1403 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,200 And I wonder, I'd love to see stats on that of how it actually 1404 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,120 translates, you know, so like if you were talking about some 1405 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,760 runners running slowly in the beginning, like are they the 1406 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,080 ones out there picking up Brooks? 1407 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,760 Is it a a strategy that actually works? 1408 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,160 Have to look some dirt. I I think I've had a pair of the 1409 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,960 glycerin back in the Ryan Brooks. 1410 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was when they were 1411 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:46,440 rolling with a more of a the, it was a plate and I didn't love 1412 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:50,280 it, but this was this I'm talking at least it probably 1413 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,560 when I first got into running. It was probably 8 years ago that 1414 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,760 I tried them, I didn't love them. 1415 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,920 And then I ended up in the ASICS Nova blast type shoe quickly 1416 01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,320 afterwards. And I was pretty devoted to that 1417 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,160 for a while up until you infiltrated my wardrobe with a 1418 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,280 bunch of other shoes. But yeah, Brooks, look, I I 1419 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,160 haven't run in for ages, so I wouldn't be able to comment on 1420 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,480 them, but. Brooks were the one back. 1421 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,440 Like when I was younger, Brooks were the gel, weren't they? 1422 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,760 They had the green. Was that glycerin? 1423 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,040 Was it a green gel? And that's what they're like. 1424 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,640 The trademark thing was you had the green gel. 1425 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,840 But you're right there when. You were young, was pretty like 1426 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:22,920 I've got the gel. Exactly. 1427 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,800 It was like the Reebok Pumps. We got some questions, Courtney. 1428 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,680 We got some questions from some people because we love when 1429 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,680 people throw in these questions. I'm gonna start with this one 1430 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,480 from Sam. Sam Lloyd says, hey, legends 1431 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,720 loves the pod, loved the last pod. 1432 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,200 He's liked them all, but he loved the last one in 1433 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,480 particular. But he wanted to put some 1434 01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:43,960 questions up for you. For someone who is wanting to be 1435 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,840 competitive in the top five to 10 runners in ultra, what are 1436 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,120 some of the tips for sponsorship besides social media? 1437 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,760 This is interesting. So ultras can get expensive with 1438 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,560 gear and entries and any help from brands can majorly help. 1439 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,960 Second one. He also wanted to ask, do you 1440 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,720 count A5 KBP if it's downhill on a trail? 1441 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,440 Yes, yeah, count it. No. 1442 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,800 OK, let's get to that big one there, which is so Sam's 1443 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,440 obviously a good runner if he's looking to be competitive in the 1444 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:13,360 top five to 10 runners in an in the ultra field sponsorship. 1445 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,640 How does he go about it? Tips. 1446 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,600 For sponsorship besides social media, OK, this is interesting 1447 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,440 because you know, we talk so much about social media these 1448 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,720 days. I'm going to say the most 1449 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,600 important things to brands at the moment is community. 1450 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:38,160 So and there's two ways you can I suppose get exposure. 1 is you 1451 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:43,440 can be yourself on social media and that shows what you're 1452 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,880 doing, you know, and the brands you're using and whatever 1453 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,000 information you're giving to a whole big audience. 1454 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:53,480 But if you choose not to go down that path, the other way is that 1455 01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:55,160 you have your own community that's real. 1456 01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,720 And when I say real in real life, and that's a value to 1457 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,120 companies. So if you had your own run group 1458 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,000 or you're helping coaching a group, and that's what we see 1459 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,160 with a lot of, it's a similar to a run club, right? 1460 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,600 We're seeing a lot of the brands attracted by the run clubs. 1461 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,720 And it's not like we're talking thousands of members here, but 1462 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,600 they're, let's say fifty members of a run club that you can 1463 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,680 influence or fifty members of a training squad that you can 1464 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,920 influence. And they're 50 real people that 1465 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,600 can purchase that shoe and you know it. 1466 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,440 Yeah, so it's a hard. One, when you say tips for 1467 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,920 sponsorship, I mean social media and and content is where it's at 1468 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,760 these days. There's no shy away from that, 1469 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,800 away from that. It's like, how do you get value 1470 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,000 for your local community? And when I say communities, like 1471 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,760 if you're living, you know, more regional, yeah, you know, are 1472 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,600 you the Bendigo's a bad example because there's a lot of runners 1473 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,720 there. But let's just say Mandura over 1474 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,120 in WA, right? If you're the, you know, the 1475 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,680 king of Mandura and runners, you might have actually a real pull 1476 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,040 in Mandura to be able to make purchase decisions for a lot of 1477 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,560 runners. And that's going to have value 1478 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,480 to a brand. Yeah, to that to join in there, 1479 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:10,040 Sam, because it's actually prior to the world of radio. 1480 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,560 I worked in marketing and this is the idea of sponsorship. 1481 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,600 There's a budget. A lot of most companies will 1482 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:22,120 have a budget for sponsorship. But this idea of it being a 1483 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,200 benevolent sponsorship, it's it's naive to suggest that 1484 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,600 companies are going to throw your money, even if you know, we 1485 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,440 talked a bit earlier on in this idea about Andy Buchanan 1486 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,200 marathoner not making the project when he broke the 1487 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,080 Australian record. But this bloke who broke this 1488 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,920 world record running in Crocs did get the interview. 1489 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,120 It's about the ability to make noise. 1490 01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:47,480 Now if you I think the idea of trying to avoid social media and 1491 01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:51,680 whether Sam, your anti social media, don't think about it as 1492 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:56,720 having to make the most noise. You just have to be targeted and 1493 01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:04,800 specific and value, value and more and more it is about niche. 1494 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,360 And you know this the for a while there a lot of brands went 1495 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:14,280 away from the big audience influences because if someone 1496 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:21,200 who has 900,000 followers but they aren't actually influencing 1497 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,440 any of them. But if someone has versus 1498 01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:26,080 someone who might have 5000 followers, but those 5000 1499 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,120 followers are dedicated and religious in their following and 1500 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,840 cons consumption of the content. And essentially, you know, if 1501 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,640 they say buy this, they will buy this. 1502 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,240 That's what matters more. So if you've only got 500 1503 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,040 followers and you don't think that's enough to present as a 1504 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,800 following, develop that 500 into a community that will really be 1505 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,600 influenced by what you put out there. 1506 01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,480 Agreed. It doesn't have to be 10s of 1507 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,640 thousands for it to be worthy of a sponsorship. 1508 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,800 Correct and in the end, I think value is the word you, you, 1509 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,280 you'll be judged by what value you give. 1510 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,360 And I'll give you 1. You know, we're asking for tips 1511 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,720 on this. I'll give you one last tip. 1512 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,040 Value isn't going to be following the herd and just 1513 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,360 being another one of the same. You know, like we and that's 1514 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,480 with social media. Often what you'll see is someone 1515 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:20,960 succeeds and then. There's a whole bunch of 1516 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,400 imitations. Yeah, if you've got the same, if 1517 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,960 you're, if you're providing exactly the same as and I'm 1518 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,320 talking product in yourself in this way, if you're providing 1519 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,840 the same product as, you know, the other 10 people and then 1520 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,840 there's one doing a job that's unique, I can tell you where I'm 1521 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:35,960 going to go every day of the week. 1522 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,880 So Sam don't go and cut, don't go peroxide your hair and cut a 1523 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,320 mullet into it mate. It's been done. 1524 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,280 Jodis Duffy has also sent a question in. 1525 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,400 Hey boys, love and the potty smashed all the EPS in the last 1526 01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,720 few days. Quick question for Courtney. 1527 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,240 My partner has been a run on and off for years and struggles to 1528 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,520 get her kilometres up as her heart rate is always at 185 or 1529 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,480 above no matter what speed she's running. 1530 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,800 We've been implementing intervals into her training and 1531 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,520 it's working but very slowly. Is there anything else you could 1532 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,160 recommend to bring that heart rate down? 1533 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,440 It's a good question. It is a great question, It's 1534 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,400 kind of stumped me a little bit. First thing can I not with not 1535 01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,160 from position of authority. Make sure that heart rate is 1536 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,840 being measured by chest strap, not off your wrist. 1537 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,440 That's. That is, that's coming from me 1538 01:17:16,440 --> 01:17:20,200 as somebody who apparently, according to my Garmin watch, at 1539 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,200 one point during the Noosa Tri run, had a heart rate of 210. 1540 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,720 I didn't. The watch isn't an accurate 1541 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,280 representation for heart rate. If you wanted to truly measure 1542 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,600 it, you need to go and get a chest strap. 1543 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,720 That's really good advice. That's the first thing I was 1544 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:39,480 like because. 185 is like regardless of age here is really 1545 01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:40,200 high. Yeah. 1546 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,000 So that's a great call, Liam. I reckon that would be the first 1547 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,000 thing to check. The second thing, how can you 1548 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,360 bring that heart rate down is actually go slower, slow down, 1549 01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:55,000 slow down. If you run if, if that heart 1550 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,400 rate's too hard and and you're finding it, it's continually 1551 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,080 like to me that without having a mistake in the heart rate watch, 1552 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,800 it sounds like it's just redlining the whole time and 1553 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,800 going too hard the whole time. The only way to bring that heart 1554 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,760 rate down is to go easier and then build from a more aerobic 1555 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,600 base if that heart rate's too hard. 1556 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,120 And without knowing anything, I'd also say go and speak to 1557 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,040 your health professional like if if you're. 185 is really high. 1558 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:26,600 That's the consistent level you're running at, yeah. 1559 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,640 So if you've got, if you've, if you spoke to your health 1560 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,720 professional who says, yeah, your heart's fine, and then 1561 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,320 you've got the right equipment to measure it accurately, then 1562 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,800 what you're saying is slow down. But even as we said earlier on 1563 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,480 about, I forgot the name of who it was, but we're talking about 1564 01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:46,480 the paces you run and the nasal, we're joking about nasal 1565 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:50,000 breathing and all that. But you know, just even hearing 1566 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,880 that about how slow that, you know, someone might have to 1567 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,120 progress from even a 15 minute kilometre and build off that 1568 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,040 versus someone who starts off and can run a 7 minute kilometre 1569 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,320 and then, you know, builds from there. 1570 01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,280 So everyone's going to. Be in. 1571 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,800 Not all set of lungs and hearts are created equal. 1572 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,400 I've got the guy within that running group who, Mitch Scott. 1573 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,880 Yeah, Mitch, he's a he's a lifeguard back down at Bondi in 1574 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:20,200 Sydney, took to running light and he's already running like 1575 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,840 240 Maris. Like he's just, he's just good 1576 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,760 at it. He's got a natural disposition 1577 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,600 to it and he's good at it. And it seems I look at him and 1578 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,920 go, there's a part of me that goes that's so unfair, but it 1579 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,920 doesn't have to be fair. We're not all created equal. 1580 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,120 We're all built different. And as a result, some of us are 1581 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,280 going to be able to do stuff with less training. 1582 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,200 Some of us won't even be able to do that with all the training. 1583 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,280 Correct. But the point is finding the 1584 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,840 running and I guess go go back to what old mate asked there, 1585 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,000 Joe, just there. Find the running that your 1586 01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,240 partner's enjoying. Just get make sure heart rate 1587 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,600 get that sorted and then find the level of running that she 1588 01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,000 enjoys. Yep. 1589 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,960 Anyway, that's us. We are done. 1590 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,960 How long are we going today? Well, I reckon we're about 1:15. 1591 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,120 1:15 It's always a good time. Good time. 1592 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,200 I know I always forget. Courtney always wants me to do 1593 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,520 this earlier on, but I always forget. 1594 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,240 But like subscribe and share comment the community's 1595 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,960 building. We are having a really good time 1596 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,720 and seriously the numbers are great. 1597 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,360 We haven't the things are going well for in the beginning pod. 1598 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,120 It's going well. It's going well. 1599 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,000 But yeah, comment and that will help us now next week special 1600 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,640 app coming up because you are going to be doing it from the 1601 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,880 land of the long white cloud. No is that New Zealand? 1602 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,440 What's Japan? Rising Sun, that one, I knew it 1603 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:39,680 had something. To do with that the land. 1604 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,040 Of the Rising Sun. And on that note, we'll see how 1605 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,000 much running I'll get done.