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In the beginning, episode 45 and
we are back live in the Courtney

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Atkinson Studios on the Gold 
Coast in person. 

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Courtney, how are you? 
Yeah, it's always good. 

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Yeah, it's always good to see 
you in person. 

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But off the off, off the bat, 
got to get something straight 

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here. 
Our audience aren't happy, 

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listeners aren't happy. 
Plenty of feedback. 

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The mention of you doing high 
rocks, it's gonna break the 

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podcast, so we're gonna have to 
put a stop to that right here, 

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right now. 
Why? 

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Plenty of, but in particular 
Brett Doherty 'cause he he put 

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his comment on the Spotify 
comments, I suppose. 

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Yeah. 
OK, that's enough to talk. 

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Courtney, please find something 
to distract Liam from this high 

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rocks thing. 
I've been with you from day one 

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and this pod and never missed an
episode. 

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But if he starts talking about 
high rocks, I'm gonna start to 

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run. 
OK, I'm joking, but I'm also 

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serious. 
Well, what if let's find a happy

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medium though I look, I haven't 
signed up and I'm not going to 

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turn this into a High rocks 
podcast. 

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Now we've we've now. 
Identified that what if I if I 

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decide to explore it? 
What if I only discuss my 

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running training for High rocks 
on the podcast? 

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Well, I can't answer that. 
You know, we don't get that 

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feedback from triathlon. 
We talk a bit of triathlon. 

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No one seems to give us Flack. 
I mean, running's a pretty key 

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component. 
Yeah, we've got a lot of 

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triathlon listeners too. 
So Noosa, it's all all good. 

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Well. 
And this is, I mean this segues 

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nicely, but sadly into Noosa. 
I want to talk about this off 

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the top I have I I've done I'm 
now officially qualified to be a

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Noosa legend. 
I've I've raised 10 Noosa 

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triathlons, which qualifies me 
to now race as a noose legend, 

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which for those that don't know,
that means you get preferential.

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You get a preferential start in 
a certain they look up time of 

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day. 
You get to rack your bot, your 

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bike in a in a in a better spot 
in the transition. 

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And it's, I mean, look. 
It also equates to you being old

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enough to have raced 10 nooses. 
And also having spent enough 

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money on the entry fee for that 
entry, you know it's not a cheap

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exercise to race noose. 
But I've done 10. 

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This was going to be my first 
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legend. 
I say going to be I can't race 

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Noosa, Why not? 
And you find this is news to me.

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You find out how much a race or 
a weekend means to you when you 

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find out you can't do it. 
I was down in Sydney over the 

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weekend. 
I was down there doing. 

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I did the Sydney Swans GWS game.
Amazing. 

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I have a footy. 
Great third quarter. 

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Stayed with my mate Ed. 
Now you know Ed because Ed, I 

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raced news Red Bull defiance 
with up at Mission Beach. 

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So you know Ed. 
Yep, Ed is my he's my best mate.

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He was my best man at my 
wedding. 

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We've been through a lot 
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And as I was sitting in his 
lounge room over the weekend 

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while I was staying with him, he
said, oh, by the way, just put 

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it in your calendar. 
We're having our 40th together, 

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he and his wife. 
I'm like oh great, when is it? 

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Same weekend as Nusa Triath. 
And was your reply like did you 

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not look at the calendar? 
That I so and and here's the 

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story I'll tell you. 
I said to him straight, I'm 

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like, mate, that's NUSA. 
Try weekend. 

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He's like, what do you mean? 
I said that is the weekend of 

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NUSA triathlon first weekend of 
November. 

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There'll be other people in your
friendship circle who I know 

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because we go up there with 
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Can't won't go and and to the 
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booked and paid entries are 
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It's not a cheap exercise to do 
all that. 

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And for other people, there's 
probably flights booked and 

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paid. 
Yeah. 

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Now Ed is probably 1 of maybe 
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life that I would re that I 
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miss NUSA for. 
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am going to miss NUSA this year.
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Wait. 
I'm gutted. 

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I'm I'm seriously gutted. 
And I explained this to him 

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because, and we've said all this
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triathlon weekend is Christmas 
for fit people. 

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It is just such an amazing 
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spot with a triathlon thrown in.
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trained up to the point where 
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whether you're just happy to 
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never walk away having had a bad
experience at Noosa. 

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So, and, and for me personally, 
having got to be involved in 

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that Legends race alongside you 
the last couple years, it's just

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added another excitement level 
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A friend you're willing to take 
a loss for. 

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That's brilliant. 
This is it's a serious kick in 

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the pills. 
I thought you were all in. 

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You sent me that bike on 
Facebook the other day and said 

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what do you reckon? 
Should I buy it? 

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Which got me thinking I just 
let's just, yeah, a bit left 

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here. 
So we've talked about bikes on 

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Facebook before and when you buy
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And I said to you, I don't wanna
answer you. 

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When I saw the bikes, I think it
was a Bianchi didn't have a year

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on it. 
No, no, it wasn't. 

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It was a BMCBMC didn't have a 
year on it. 

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And I was looking at it and I 
could see the the Chaman you had

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just manager Ace and I could see
the years. 

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I'm thinking it's probably about
2012 to 216 model. 

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Yep. 
And then I the first thing I did

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was I jumped on Canyon and went 
to their sales and I went, Oh my

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God, you can get a carbon fibre 
road bike, disc brakes, 

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electronic gears, you know, in 
the lower end. 

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I think they were one O fives or
what whatever the equivalent was

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in tram and I went, would you 
pay it $1000 more? 

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So what was the cost of the 
bike? 

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It was, I don't know, it was 
like. 2 1/2 hours. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Would you pay $1000 more to get 

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a new bike? 
And and then literally you're 

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getting the best of everything. 
So you're comparing a second 

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hand bike, non electric gear or 
everything else. 

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Is it worth an extra $1000 to 
walk away with a new bike? 

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Yes, it would have been, but not
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and I had this thought this 
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in, what are we are in? 
We're at the back end of July. 

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August is usually my transition 
month where I start to the bike 

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comes off the wall, The the the 
goggles come out of the drawer 

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and I suddenly start to panic 
train for the bike and the swim 

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at Noosa. 
Yeah, there's no need now. 

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So my entrepreneurial brain, 
you're going back to the thing? 

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No, I'm looking on the Facebook.
Yeah, I was thinking, well, if 

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you the answer was no. 
Yeah, I was going. 

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Well, maybe I've got this old 
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a Giant from 2018, top of the 
range. 

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Maybe I can sell that to you and
upgrade. 

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To the Canyon I I have no need 
for the bikes now. 

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I have, by the way, what we're 
talking bikes and we will get to

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some running stuff because 
there's a bit to talk about. 

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Have you your kids are, I mean 
your daughter's grown and she's 

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off exploring overseas and your 
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But having kids bikes. 
I was blown away as expensive. 

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We got a couple of birthdays 
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year old soon to be 5 year old. 
How much do you reckon for a 20 

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inch? 
This is what size my my son 

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would be. 
We went into one of the I won't 

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name the bike stores 
specifically. 

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We went into one of the bike 
stores looking at a new bike for

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him. 
For a 20 inch bike, for a 5 year

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old. 
Yeah, 20 inch wheel. 

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Yeah. 
What do you mean? 

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Mountain bike? 
Road bike? 

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Yeah, mountain bike. 
How much 700? 

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Oh, wow. 
OK, maybe maybe it's just that I

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haven't bought a bike, you know,
bikes better than I do. 

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Yeah, 430. 
Bucks, yeah, I mean it depends 

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what you're getting right? 
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goes up anyhow. 
Yeah, I mean, but bikes are 

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expensive. 
I know, but the ready creep 

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recycling the dump shop that's 
around the corner, you can pick 

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a bike up there for $10. 
They. 

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Are cheap. 
Hey, while we're on bikes, yeah,

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if you've been on socials you 
might recognise this. 

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Oh yeah. 
So this is the Tour de France 

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finish. 
I don't know which which exact 

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stage it was, but that was SBS 
with the the signing act. 

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Did you see this? 
Yeah, I've seen the clip. 

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It is, it's wild. 
So an amateur rider has decided 

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I'm going to get a bit of 
airtime jumped up the road to 

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the Tour de France finish. 
I think he's AK ahead of the 

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actual pack coming into Sprint 
as he's crossed the line. 

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The security guard has just laid
the one of the best show rugby 

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shoulder charges into him. 
Knocked him down on the deck 

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come over the smothered him. 
I reckon he's collarbones 

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busted. 
To add to it, the copper then 

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comes over and just grabs him 
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pulls him across the road. 
Warranted. 

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Let's talk through all the 
aspects of this. 

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Firstly, I respect that bloke 
having his moment, trying to get

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his moment in son. 
It is akin to the streaker. 

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It's a streak, a stripper, a 
streaker. 

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Sorry. 
It's it's it's like the streak 

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that can. 
Yeah, it's like the streaker at 

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the footy game, right? 
You know what you're doing. 

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I don't think he realised the 
consequences that might happen 

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though, because unlike the any 
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that, well, security is going to
come for you and this is going 

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to be part of it and you might 
get SAT on your backside. 

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Andrew Simon's style, right, 
that hit from that security 

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guard that is run it straight 
stuff that's like that. 

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Oh my, he was, that is this guy 
would have been doing what, 

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maybe 3035 KS an hour? 
Yeah, I reckon. 

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And he wasn't a small guy, you 
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rider. 35 KS an hour coming 
straight towards you on a bike. 

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Took it the first, the first 
security I'd missed the first 

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security I'd kind of short 
armed. 

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It went, Nah, I don't really 
want to take that on. 

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But this second. 
Guy mate, I reckon he played for

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the Toulouse rugby around the 
second seconds he was. 

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Bullied him you've been What's 
the heaviest bike crash you've 

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had, 'cause I'll never come off 
a bike like that. 

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But you talk about collarbone, 
potential injuries. 

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What's the biggest bike I've 
had? 

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Coming off like that and then 
sliding, but no one's ever 

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shoulder charged me. 
No, no, no. 

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But when you hit the deck at 
that pace, have you come over? 

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That's your. 
Slide, you slide that I think 

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the I think it's often the case 
that a slow bike like for 

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example, if you snap, if you're 
riding along really slow snappy 

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chain and go over the 
handlebars. 

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Well look at Ree at Noosa. 
Oh yes, last course, sometimes 

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the slower we like sorry, we 
just mentioned Ree like she was 

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coming into transition breaking 
yeah and went over the 

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handlebars. 
Sometimes it's that slow impact 

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of hitting the ground really 
hard when you're not ready for 

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it is worse than the actual 
cooked. 

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You know, if you're going quick 
and you slide across, unless you

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hit something like the sidewalk 
of the ballads or whatever it 

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is, slow bike crashes are often 
worse. 

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In this case, he's got double 
whammy. 

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He's got the run at straight hit
and then he's hit the ground, 

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broken his collarbone, I reckon.
Or both, yeah. 

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We have some half thought out, 
half cooked ideas here on this 

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podcast. 
It's straight cycling. 

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Ride it straight. 
Ride it straight. 

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Ride it straight right where we 
get where the winner of Run It 

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Straight has to take on a 
cyclist. 

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With a josty pole. 
We should give a shout out while

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we're talking Tour de France. 
We'll move on from bike riding 

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very quickly. 
Tadej Pogaka has won his fourth.

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Yes, puts him just one short of 
the all time. 

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The clean record. 
The The biggest story is I think

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the biggest story that's come 
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that he nearly won the green 
jersey. 

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So he he played his jersey. 
He played second in the green 

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jersey, which he's nearly won 
the sprinters jersey because 

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he's won so many stages, not 
just the mountain stages. 

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He's won those kind of kick 
stages with a short hill at the 

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end and even in the last stage 
to the you know, this morning. 

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Well, they're not he's gone 
after him and still come in in 

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the front pack. 
So crazy. 

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And he's 26. 
Yep. 

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So now Apollo, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we will get, we will get off.

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Let's move on from, but we're 
not going to go straight to run 

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cause I've got a confession and 
this is a big confession. 

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I'm going to show you something.
So sorry to those watching, but 

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Liam will describe it. 
I can't see anything. 

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After my boat trip I've made the
move I said I would never make. 

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So never say never. 
I'm owning this and. 

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Courtney Atkinson, Two time 
Olympian, stylish guy with all 

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the clothing he represents. 
He works for Red Bull. 

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He's a very cool person. 
Right now, he's holding a pair 

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of camouflage Crocs. 
I've gone, I've, I've bought a 

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pair of Crocs and I paid for a 
pair of Crocs. 

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They are. 
They are the real tree 

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collaboration they're in. 
What's real tree? 

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Real tree the like the actual 
real it's. 

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A brand? 
A pattern? 

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What's real tree do? 
I've never heard of them. 

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No, it's camo. 
OK. 

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I was just thinking if I'm going
to buy them, I don't want anyone

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to see them. 
No, but the reason I bought 

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them, I was on the. 
So like when we're up at the 

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Windsunders on the boat, I had a
pair of, what do they call it, 

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rubber Birkenstock? 
Yeah. 

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And the tide dropped one day and
we're going across in the tinny 

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trying to get to the shore and I
had to get out and walk in these

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books and I'm looking and I 
can't, mate, This is a 

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nightmare. 
And then I thought, you know 

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what, if I had a pair of Crocs 
with the speed, what do you call

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the back thing, putting it in 
sports mode, Sports mode. 

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I wouldn't be having the trouble
I'm having now. 

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So only being used in certain 
occasions. 

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Oh. 
Don't, don't, don't. 

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A camouflage open No one. 
Can see. 

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Don't dip your toe in, just jump
in the pool, mate. 

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You, you're a croc wearer now 
that's the you say that you'll 

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only wear them in certain 
circumstances. 

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I guarantee people of the Gold 
Coast keep your eye out. 

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You'll see Courtney Atkinson 
going down the shop. 

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No Crocs. 
No you won't. 

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You will. 
Moving to running though, we 

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talked about Western States and 
the prototype and all the 

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different shoes. 
Solomon heard me, got me a 

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couple of pair very quickly. 
This is the pulse of four that I

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think the third third female one
that I'm really keen to get my 

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hands on you know, top of the 
range trail running shoe. 

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The eraser got a bit of got a 
bit of foam in it. 

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I. 
Was gonna say I'm having a 

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Courtney's just passing it over 
to me now. 

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This is God. 
They make sexy shoes. 

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They're just good looking shoes.
But this is that is a lot of 

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foam in the in the I mean. 
Heel I haven't had I haven't got

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to have a run in the man. 
He just just rocked up. 

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But yeah, a lot of foam. 
But yeah, looking forward to 

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running them. 
But they're they're the shoes we

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were talking about how all the 
trail shoes innovating. 

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Yeah, putting them on and just 
walking around the house, they 

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do feel like they've got some 
kick, like a little bit of 

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spring, like a plate. 
But I need to do more research. 

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But so watch out. 
We'll, we'll come back to those 

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ones. 
I just quickly going back to 

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your Crocs for a moment. 
I actually need to buy some new 

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ones 'cause I had the, the, the 
sort of the off roadie looking 

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ones. 
I reckon they've been stolen 

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'cause I'm guilty of leaving. 
I'm just, I'm, no, I, no, I 

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wouldn't have left them 
anywhere. 

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I don't. 
But I am guilty of just leaving 

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shoes out the front of my house 
and I reckon someone's pinched 

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my Crocs. 
Damn, anyway, gotta buy some new

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one. 
Let's move on from croc chat. 

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We we've talked running and high
rocks and Crocs and we haven't 

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talked. 
We haven't riding high rocks and

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Crocs and we haven't talked any 
running yet. 

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No, we haven't. 
Well, let's scan it. 

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I mean, we're, we're steering 
everywhere today. 

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We've got a lot to cover. 
But Travis Barker, Oh. 

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Yes, Spotify, I love this. 
Have come out as a collab with 

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Travis Barker as a run club. 
I love it. 

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He's mad for his running. 
Yeah, it's it's wild. 

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So he's going to do a series of 
music inspired 5K races across 

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U.S. cities in collab with 
Spotify. 

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So this one, I suppose why I 
picked it out was it's not with 

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Strava for once. 
Spotify also getting in on the 

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bandwagon here. 
So kicking off in Chicago 20th 

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September, bringing together, 
running live music culture. 

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This is happening all over the 
place. 

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What's he got? 
Featuring tracks, groups and 

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Prodigy. 
For anybody that doesn't know 

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Travis Barker is the drama from 
Blink 182 really into his, you 

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know, like a lot of middle aged 
blokes he's got? 

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Anything to do with the Prodigy?
No, but they're probably. 

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Just they're just rolling out a 
bit of everything. 

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But why do I? 
I might be getting him confused 

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with the fella from The 
Offspring on who? 

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We know he's mad for his 
triathlons, but I believe the 

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guy from The Prodigy might be 
into his running as well. 

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Potentially. 
So let me ask you this then, 

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because does Spotify need that 
name to make this event work? 

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Can't hurt. 
No, it can't hurt, but is it 

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needed? 
Because is that if the if a 

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hurdle? 
I, I just wonder whether, 

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because I think we're already 
starting to see, we talked about

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I've, I've been to a couple of 
the Nike events where they've 

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tried to create this sort of 
environment. 

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I don't know whether having a a 
music act would have necessarily

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added to that. 
I suppose. 

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I suppose the catch has to be 
it's got to be a big enough 

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music act that would bring 
people into music. 

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It's not like if you want to 
create a new audience, you're 

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bringing those people who follow
them because of music and 

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hopefully bringing them across 
into fitness. 

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I don't think it really works as
well the other way going. 

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We've got fitness and now we're 
going to introduce you to this 

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artist. 
You've already got the artist 

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you like to listen to, all the 
music you like to listen to. 

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So I think this is more the 
flipping it from music into 

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fitness versus fitness into 
music. 

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But I love the fact that, you 
know, Spotify have obviously 

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identified the fact that a lot 
of people, if you're running, 

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you're listening. 
A lot of people are out there 

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listening to Spotify in one 
shape or form. 

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Whether it's podcast, music, 
whatever it is, it's a big part 

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of running for a lot of people. 
How do you, I'm just now I'm 

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thinking about through the 
Australian market. 

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Obviously I'm, I'm looking at 
this from through the Australian

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market lens and wondering how 
do, how does Spotify activate 

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that locally here is there, 
there's probably, I don't know 

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if there is an act that would 
create that same sort of 

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crossover necessarily. 
I think there is. 

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You reckon there's an Aussie act
that would drag? 

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Well, I think this is already 
happening across a lot of 

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different landscapes already. 
Maybe not in the shape or form 

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of like partnering with Spotify,
but there's I mean the night I I

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didn't know the DJ the on 
running down the track mate the 

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on the on track nights, so I 
forgot the artist they had two 

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years ago. 
I. 

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Think those I think those track 
nights are, and I don't know 

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what these these run Travis run 
events look like, but I think 

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the track is what the these 
jungle giants, jungle giants, 

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OK, they're a big actor, but I 
think that it's the track 

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environment which has the 
ability to have long term 

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success as far as events go, 
because the difficulty when you 

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talk about running events, 
crossing over into nights out 

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music events, right? 
If you send, if you say, hey, 

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come on down, we've got a 10K 
fun run. 

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There's no there's no heartbeat.
There's no if you send people 

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out on an an out and back 5K, 
the moment you get 500 metres 

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away from your start line, the 
vibe. 

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Goes, but I don't think the 
purpose. 

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I think the purpose is to run 
and then come back for a DJ 

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event. 
So it's at the end of it. 

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Whereas the on track nights, the
challenge there is you do it, 

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all the running happens and then
they have a concert after it, 

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but it's for the audience. 
So they're trying to drive 

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people to come and watch 
running. 

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These ones are trying to get 
people to come and run, come 

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along, be fit, run, and then 
have the concert verse. 

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You're there to watch running, 
and then we're adding a benefit 

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at the end of it. 
I'm gonna, I'm gonna disagree. 

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Yep, this is we can disagree. 
We don't often, but I'm gonna 

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disagree. 
I think the opportunity. 

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I don't know and I'm happy to be
if people disagree with me, 

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please send us your feedback on 
this because I think it's a 

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really interesting. 
It's what's next, right? 

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It is what's next in running. 
I don't think running and then 

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staying at that spot after 
you're hot and sweaty because 

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you look at the marathons, for 
example, People run the 

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marathons, then they go 
elsewhere, they go and get 

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changed or they go to a pub, 
right? 

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City deserves a perfect example 
that people finish the race and 

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admittedly you're finishing in 
Bondi, so there's something to 

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stay around for. 
But I look at these events and 

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if you go, I go run 10K and then
hang out here at this concert, I

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think. 
The track though, if you create 

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that environment where people 
it's, it's at the one spot, 

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there's a venue, there's a 
location, there's a heartbeat to

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it. 
And if you create an environment

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where people can chase a beat, 
you are creating a carnival 

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atmosphere in one spot. 
And I think AG One does night of

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the PBS. 
That's for me, that's the sort 

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of event that has the potential 
because you look at the football

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games, right, people go oh we're
going to People First Stadium 

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tonight for the footy. 
If you create an event at OH, 

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we're headed down to what's the 
athletics track up at Southport.

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Runaway Bay. 
Runaway Bay, thank you. 

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If you, if I feel like that has 
greater potential to be, hey, 

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we're headed to Runaway Bay 
tonight because they've got the 

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Runaway Days Running Festival 
happening tonight and I'm going 

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to try for a 5K BB or I'm going 
to enter the 10K race or no, I'm

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just going to sit up in the 
stands and listen to the music 

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and watch the runners. 
For me, I think that's got the 

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greater opportunity then an 
event where, OK, it's a 10K run 

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out and back. 
Yeah. 

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Then it's a concert back here. 
Yeah. 

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We're going to disagree on this 
one. 

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I I'm I'm I'm hard the other way
that you're always going to be 

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limited of who goes to attract 
to watch running. 

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You got to be running, you got 
to be into running. 

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And then, yeah, they're trying 
to add a concert to drive you 

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in. 
But I don't think the concert's 

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enough to someone who's not 
interested in running. 

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I'll just go to the concert. 
So if they're playing down at 

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Horton Jungle Giants or Peking 
Duck was the other one at the on

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event. 
Well, if they're playing at 

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Horton Pavilion in Sydney, I'll 
go and see them there. 

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If I'm not into running, I don't
want to go and watch running. 

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Whereas if to watch running, you
see what I'm saying, but if I 

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actually just want to get out 
and deal 5K and feel fit and 

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then that's their part of it and
add to the event, I I'd possibly

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go and do that anyway. 
So we'll we'll agree disagree on

445
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,560
this one, Liam. 
Yep, and see what it goes. 

446
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,680
But on that, I had a. 
What do I have on that one now? 

447
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,200
We'll keep moving on. 
You gonna move on? 

448
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,360
We'll keep moving on. 
We've talked about, talked 

449
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:31,160
about. 
Let's, let's now you can we, 

450
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,680
we'll get to some more. 
I don't want to, I don't want to

451
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,600
disappear too far away from 
running for a moment, but 

452
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,960
British and Irish Lions tour. 
OK, can we listen? 

453
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,880
Actually, let's let's listen to 
this first. 

454
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,120
This is a good this is This will
be a good intro. 

455
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,440
Hey mate. 
Hey mate, how are you? 

456
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,680
I'm flown all the way here for 
the Lions tour. 

457
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,880
I thought, am I in the right 
place? 

458
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,560
I I, I thought I'd be packed in 
here. 

459
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,000
Oh. 
Brisbane. 

460
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400
Brisbane Lions. 
No, like rugby. 

461
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,000
The Lions. 
Yeah, OK. 

462
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,800
Is that like, is that like NRL? 
Is it? 

463
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,760
No, the British and Irish Lions.
Soccer. 

464
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160
Is it the soccer just yeah, I 
mean. 

465
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,840
I'm just trying to I. 
Can't understand what you're 

466
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,960
saying, it must be just a 
language barrier thing that's 

467
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,120
all. 
So mate, it's pretty obvious 

468
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,360
he's here for The Lion King. 
Lion King the Musical. 

469
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Yeah, this is Melbourne 
specific, but I think this is 

470
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,840
going on all around Australia 
from that was from Dara, Dara 

471
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,240
Curran and Choc Choc, so yeah. 
Now at time of release of this 

472
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,680
episode today, the final tour 
match for the British and Irish 

473
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,640
Lions is happening tonight in 
Where is it Sydney? 

474
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,840
Yes, it's that demonstrating no.
That's that's my question. 

475
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,000
But it is, it's happening. 
The final match of this tour is 

476
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440
happening in Sydney now. 
The game, the last game last 

477
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,360
weekend in Melbourne, the MCGI 
actually watched it and it was a

478
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,000
cracking game. 
We will not care about the 

479
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Wallabies until the next World 
Cup, Agreed. 

480
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,240
No one will talk about them. 
Agreed. 

481
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,160
This is, I've had this 
conversation with so many people

482
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,440
during this tour about the fact 
that when I grew up in Adelaide 

483
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720
and we are not a rugby town, 
we're not a rugby league town, 

484
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,880
we're not a rugby union town. 
And yet still was it the 2003 

485
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,080
World Cup, Adelaide got caught 
up in it. 

486
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,320
We all knew the players we knew,
we knew that I could tell, I 

487
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,000
could still tell you that team 
that you know, with Larcom and 

488
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,840
and Burke and Greg and Eagles 
and I like, I could, I could go 

489
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,800
through that team. 
I am attached to sport in a very

490
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,640
big way from my job. 
I may be new to players in that 

491
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480
Wallabies team and one of them 
was because it was Joseph 

492
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,960
Suwalee who'd come from rugby 
league. 

493
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Yeah, it's for me. 
The Wallabies have never been 

494
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,360
less relevant. 
It's taken a visit from a a 

495
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,000
composite team that's come here 
for the first time in 12 years 

496
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,960
for us to care again. 
And I'd I'd argued except if you

497
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,400
will, like a die hard rugby fan,
do you care? 

498
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,080
You care about Australia, you 
care about Australia. 

499
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,440
But it's like it's that old 
situation now where because we, 

500
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840
because you can't control 
mainstream media anymore. 

501
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Now, if you're not watching it, 
if you don't cop the algorithm, 

502
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,480
you don't see it. 
How do you find out about it? 

503
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,120
And when it's not at the top of 
people's priorities to go and 

504
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,800
watch rugby or listen, watch 
around rugby, It's, it's an 

505
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,120
issue. 
I know even like even down the 

506
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,560
grassroots, cause like don't get
me wrong, I grew up on rugby 

507
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,040
union. 
I went to a rugby union. 

508
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,400
You're a private schoolboy. 
Yep. 

509
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,960
So here on, you know, the Gold 
Coast or in Brisbane rugby, it's

510
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,760
absolutely, if I know the school
on the weekend was packed 

511
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,280
because there was a rugby game 
on. 

512
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,000
However, across these schools, 
these private schools, there's 

513
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,600
more basketball teams. 
So when you go down ABCD in each

514
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,080
age group, there's now more 
basketball teams than there are 

515
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,960
being filled rugby teams. 
So at a grassroots level where 

516
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,600
rugby's being driven from, it's 
even affecting there. 

517
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,440
Now. 
Here's my question for you. 

518
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,640
We're going back to grassroots 
and then we'll come to the top 

519
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,320
end again. 
Is that being driven because of 

520
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:13,760
contact sports? 
Is this, is this part of the new

521
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,760
of a new era where you know, 
soccer is becoming? 

522
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Obviously soccer. 
Soccer still the contain 

523
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,520
football. 
Soccer still a contact sport. 

524
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,840
Come on. 
It is. 

525
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,120
Did you play soccer growing up? 
Come on. 

526
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,640
Did you play cross soccer 
growing up? 

527
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,000
No, the way I played soccer was 
a contact sport. 

528
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,200
Well, I played it all three. 
Soccer is a contact sport. 

529
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,240
Soccer is not a. 
It is a contact sport. 

530
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,120
You do not anything weird. 
Look, it's it's a different 

531
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,000
contact sport, but it's a 
contact sport. 

532
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:40,840
It isn't a. 
Contact. 

533
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,920
No one has ever said soccer's a 
contact. 

534
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Yes. 
It is Lee. 

535
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,440
Are we gonna disagree? 
It's a disagreeable episode. 

536
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,760
I'm putting soccer as a. 
Contact sport ball Basketball's 

537
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,200
more contact than so. 
I've never seen anybody in 

538
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,680
basketball fast like a spectator
like Eric Cantona did for 

539
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Manchester United. 
It is a contact sport basketball

540
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,440
way. 
The the West, what's the women's

541
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,160
basketball, WNBA, It's getting 
bigger hits over there on 

542
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,240
Caitlin Clark at the moment. 
Then soccer. 

543
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,560
I'm gonna I'm asking ChatGPT. 
Is soccer a contact sport? 

544
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,400
Yes, soccer is considered a 
contact sport, but it's 

545
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,600
classified as a limited contact 
or semi contact. 

546
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,840
There we go. 
Limited, a limited contact 

547
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800
sport. 
We are not comparing soccer to 

548
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,480
rugby. 
No, that's different. 

549
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000
Getting back to the lines in 
Australia and everything else, 

550
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360
yeah, there is. 
It's a it's a big issue. 

551
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,400
They have fallen. 
What was once the whole nation 

552
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,880
getting behind that Wallabies 
team as big as any other 

553
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,880
football code. 
It is no longer happening. 

554
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,120
Paywall. 
The fact that the fact that 

555
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,920
Super Rugby, I think, I think, I
don't know, I'm not going to 

556
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:49,320
define how much of the blame pie
goes to it, but the fact that 

557
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,400
that sport is essentially hidden
behind a paywall permanently is 

558
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,400
a contributing factor. 
Yeah, right. 

559
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,480
TTV rights for those it's it's 
easy for the mainstream sports 

560
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,880
like AFL and NRL to syphon off 
some and in America for NFL and 

561
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,960
MLB and all that, it's easy to 
syphon off some of your games to

562
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,240
pay TV because there's cash, 
because your audience will 

563
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
consume and will go there for 
because you are the biggest 

564
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,240
sport and you've still got 
certain offerings on free to air

565
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,480
TVI don't know what rugby union.
You could watch the Lions game 

566
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,480
on 9 but I don't know what. 
For the most part, Wallaby's 

567
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,040
games are hidden, as far as I 
know, behind a paywall with 

568
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Stan. 
Now, this is something I 

569
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,240
actually think soccer's got to 
be really careful of because the

570
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,880
wave of momentum that the 
Matildas created and then most 

571
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,000
recently I believe their games 
have been their national games. 

572
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
The their international games, 
the Matilda's games have been 

573
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,000
hidden behind a paywall. 
You created this groundswell of 

574
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,360
support and excitement around 
this team with the World Cup 

575
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,200
here recently, and now you're 
asking that new supporter base 

576
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440
to go into their pocket if they 
want to keep support. 

577
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,560
It's the easiest way to lose. 
Them, Yeah. 

578
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,640
So rugby chicken or the egg, is 
it because of that that 

579
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,120
grassroots is suffering or is it
because is it's the top 

580
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,760
suffering to a degree because of
what I suggested around the 

581
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320
grassroots challenges around 
participation? 

582
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,040
We're not going to be able to 
answer that. 

583
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,920
All right, no, I think I bet I 
can't give a definitive answer, 

584
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000
the chicken or the egg. 
But what I will say it's a it's 

585
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,880
an environment, a perfect storm 
has been created now where rugby

586
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,760
at an administrative level needs
to pull their finger out because

587
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Ozkick as an example, is an 
incredibly successful grassroots

588
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680
programme, right. 
The NRL has figured out rugby 

589
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360
league is going, geez, that 
Ozkick's buddy good we need. 

590
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,400
And now they partnered with 
touch football to try and create

591
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,120
that similar junior grassroots 
level involvement thing. 

592
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Soccer flies, netball flies. 
Rugby union does not have that 

593
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,080
and they need to find. 
I did have that discussion, we 

594
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,600
were having that discussion the 
other day around women's NRL. 

595
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,640
It's a skill level is reason 
like it's great and. 

596
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,680
Continues to but. 
But what I didn't until it was 

597
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
put to me, I didn't realise. 
But all of those young girls who

598
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200
have played touch football, you 
know, it's not the contact, but 

599
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600
they played touch football. 
The rules, the skills, it's all 

600
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920
been there since they're kids. 
AFL, you might challenge. 

601
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,880
It's growing. 
It hasn't had that skills base 

602
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,960
from young females until maybe, 
you know, the past, what, five 

603
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,840
years or so? 
So I love this. 

604
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,000
I'm going to, we're going to 
stay here for a moment because 

605
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,840
this is something that for me, I
talk about quite a bit. 

606
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Yeah, with people, whenever I 
bump into them. 

607
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,640
You're right, NRLW, aside from 
cricket, is the best elite 

608
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120
version of women's sport right 
now in terms of development. 

609
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Basketball's always been elite 
netball, of course, but in terms

610
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,800
of the news, women's sport 
growth, the NRLW is so far ahead

611
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,760
of the AFLW. 
As for the exact reason you 

612
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,920
spoke about, it's that these 
girls into women never had to 

613
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,640
stop not playing their sport at 
any stage because there was 

614
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,360
always a version of it with 
touch football that they can 

615
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,520
play. 
So the skills are always there 

616
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
as a result. 
And also now I think if you go 

617
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,160
back, if you watch the most 
recent NRLW season compared to 

618
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,160
the first NRLW season, you're 
also now seeing the impact of 

619
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,000
when you treat these athletes 
like professionals and pay them 

620
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120
accordingly. 
Look what they turn into. 

621
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,880
They now you're now seeing 
physically the different like in

622
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,280
that first season of NRLW, some 
of those women, some of those 

623
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,240
athletes look like Yep, they're 
full time employees who play a 

624
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,400
bit of part for the on the 
weekend. 

625
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Yep, and you saw that right now 
when you watch these athletes 

626
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,480
like Jess Surges and I forget 
Isabel, the captain of the 

627
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Roosters. 
They these are these are 

628
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920
athletes, right? 
These are professional athletes 

629
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,920
and you can see that physically 
in their bodies. 

630
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,640
The AFLAFLW, similarly that 
first season. 

631
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Daisy Pierce is a pioneer, Aaron
Phillips is a star. 

632
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,960
I think when we look back on how
these women played the game in 

633
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760
10 years time, by comparison 
with what the product is, we'll 

634
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
go, wow, I can't believe that 
level of football was the star 

635
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,600
of the competition compared to 
what it is now. 

636
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Because now Ash Centre, who was 
the number one draught pick to 

637
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Collingwood? 
Havana Harris who went #2 to the

638
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,600
Gold Coast Suns. 
These are young women who were 

639
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,800
able to play the game from when 
they start and got interested in

640
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,360
it all the way through. 
So now you're not just drafting 

641
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,400
athletes and turning them into 
footballs, you are drafting 

642
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840
footballs. 
And the standard of the product 

643
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440
will continue to rise as well. 
You'll see it on field SO. 

644
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Great stuff. 
Yeah, All right, back to 

645
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,720
running. 
Let's go back to running. 

646
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,800
So remember last week I was 
talking about lower upper limb 

647
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,400
injuries. 
Yes, so and the question I we 

648
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,360
proposed to the audience was 
around, is it the shoes? 

649
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Is it all these new stacked 
shoes, high stacked shoes, lots 

650
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720
of rubber, all the, the 
different gait you might be 

651
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,560
running in that's contributing 
to upper limb stress, which 

652
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,840
we've seen more of. 
Here's one take. 

653
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Who did this come from? 
This is coming from Ready Friend

654
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,960
of the podcast. 
Morning boys, long time 

655
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,120
listener, first time caller. 
I'm just out on my early morning

656
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,200
Saturday run listening to the 
app and I just want to put my 

657
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,960
two cents in about the upper 
limb injuries and and the more 

658
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,680
people getting them. 
Do you think it might have 

659
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,200
something to do with the boom in
running? 

660
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
So there's more people running 
now, right? 

661
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,520
But without coaches, without 
learning good technique, without

662
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,680
an understanding of cadence and 
things like that. 

663
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
And do you think that's leading 
to more injuries? 

664
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720
I mean, who thinks they need a 
coach to go running, right? 

665
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360
But how important is running 
technique to running 

666
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,400
efficiently? 
Anyway, food for thought. 

667
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,400
I will throw in that Steve 
Montagetti probably had one of 

668
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,720
the ugliest running styles in 
the world. 

669
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Before we we haven't we haven't 
checked this light. 

670
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
I hadn't edited this. 
Mona's copying a drive bar from 

671
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Reedy. 
Was that Reedy himself? 

672
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Yeah, that was right. 
Right. 

673
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,320
That was that was Reedy not 
always got a really particular 

674
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,160
voice read he must be mid long 
run. 

675
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Reckon he's he was literally mid
run mid long run when he got 

676
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,560
about Reedy's voice. 
I'm going to get hammered on to 

677
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,400
saying this, but Inside Running 
Podcast, which is arguably the 

678
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,960
biggest running podcast in 
Australia. 

679
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,199
For now. 
For now, one of the the main 

680
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,600
host on that one. 
Have you ever heard he is sounds

681
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,800
identical to Reedy? 
I reckon Reedy's moonlighting. 

682
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960
I reckon Reedy's, yeah, I reckon
every so often he's filling in 

683
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,960
as a stump double for Reedy. 
They have got an identical 

684
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239
voice. 
Now I should we just just, we'll

685
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,400
come back to the injuries for a 
moment. 

686
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600
We should give Ready a shout out
because Ready was the running 

687
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,199
podcast pioneer. 
Ready actually had a running 

688
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,120
podcast. 
I'm talking. 

689
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Brady that Sorry, I didn't. 
Want to get? 

690
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,120
I didn't want to get called out.
Yeah, Brady. 

691
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,320
Ready had a running podcast 
maybe 12 years ago, I think at 

692
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,320
least. 
And you talk about people being 

693
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,080
before their time. 
Yeah, no one cared. 

694
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Like, I think it, the podcast 
was really good and it was 

695
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,680
really interesting, but because 
running hadn't had this window, 

696
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,840
this boom, this explosion, it 
just became. 

697
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,680
I used to listen. 
It was because he used to come 

698
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,280
into the studio. 
Yes, after he used. 

699
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,880
To go into the radio studio and 
record it yes yeah but it just 

700
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,840
it there wasn't the the audience
or the appetite for it then so 

701
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,200
he was ahead of his time Yep so 
shout out to already fallen 

702
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,040
podcast yeah yeah now going back
to what he had to say though, 

703
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,600
about so not so much the shoes 
but the lack of technical know 

704
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,200
how and the fact is there's. 
There's way more people running 

705
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480
SO and their news are running, 
so maybe there's more injury. 

706
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,760
More of a data skew thing. 
Yeah, but that still doesn't 

707
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,280
explain to me why it's upper 
limb verse. 

708
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
You know what it may have been 
in the past, like skewing 

709
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,920
towards lower limb. 
Brooke also messages on Spotify 

710
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,040
comments and said she's running 
in the Brooks Glyce glycerin. 

711
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,800
Glycerin. 
Great song by the band We. 

712
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,800
Shouldn't have probably called 
out the shoe but because it's 

713
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,800
happening with a range of shoes.
But she's nursing a stress 

714
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,880
fracture in her femur as well, 
right? 

715
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,680
I've had three people in my 
small kind of circle with famous

716
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,240
stress fractures just in since 
Gold Coast Marathon. 

717
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:19,960
So I'd be interested and again, 
we, I mean, we're not going to 

718
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,600
do this, but it'd be interesting
to know a the shoe they're 

719
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,640
running it. 
Yeah. 

720
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600
B. 
The age bracket and see what 

721
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200
sort of load and then you add to
that the comment really made 

722
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
about if there's any technique 
or, or if they're having any 

723
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,120
professional coaching or whether
they've jumped into an AI 

724
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,400
generated programme. 
Yeah, all that information would

725
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,600
be fascinating. 
Or whether they're doing high 

726
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,320
rocks and lifting before they're
running. 

727
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040
Or if they're. 
Doing our listeners. 

728
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,840
Training, you know, that's all a
part of it. 

729
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,360
That's all a part of it. 
Can we? 

730
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaking of running injuries, 
now my body is at the age of 40.

731
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,200
The body has decided that, you 
know, we want to throw some some

732
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,360
issues into the running pot 
here, but I got a new one. 

733
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,720
No. 
No, no, no, I'm OK. 

734
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,320
It's interesting. 
But I, it has been, I don't 

735
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,120
think since I played, not since 
I was playing footy back in AFL 

736
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,520
back in sort of 2005 have I had 
this issue. 

737
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,040
I've got a swollen knee. 
I went for a run. 

738
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200
I was running down in Sydney 
just going for nothing. 

739
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Crazy, did you? 
Run with AG1 the not AG. 

740
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,760
One, the runners in the runners 
in the dark. 

741
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,680
No, and this is another. 
Well, let's talk about that one 

742
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,640
first. 
I'll get back to my running 

743
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400
injury for a moment. 
So the runners in the dark crew,

744
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,960
great bunch of runners who I was
laughing. 

745
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,800
I caught up with one of the 
members for a coffee and we 

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,800
laughed about the fact that when
it started, it was a very social

747
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
5 minute pace type run group. 
It has gone. 

748
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,200
It's, it's different gravy now. 
The there's Will Myson who runs 

749
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,520
a, you know, a 220 marathon, 
like they, their cruising pace 

750
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080
is now, you know, sort of 415 
type stuff. 

751
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,080
But I was said I'd go and run 
with them on the Friday because 

752
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,280
of the radio show. 
It's been a long time since I've

753
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,400
run early hours. 
It's been like I haven't done a,

754
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,960
an early morning run for a very 
long time. 

755
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,600
I don't know if I can do it 
anymore. 

756
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,760
I I woke up with my alarm went 
off and I was like, did you hit 

757
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,000
snooze? 
Yeah. 

758
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Oh, I hit snooze. 
I bowed. 

759
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,440
It's also dark in Sydney at that
time it. 

760
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Was cold and dark and that's 
what I mean. 

761
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,880
Also my legs because I've been 
for around the day before my my 

762
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,400
calves felt really tight and 
stiff and sore. 

763
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,720
So I hit snooze and then went 
for a run at 3:00 in the 

764
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,760
afternoon. 
I don't how do I switch back? 

765
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520
I don't know. 
I don't know if anybody else has

766
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600
these problems where you start 
running at a certain time for so

767
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,280
long that the idea of running. 
And even yesterday, David 

768
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,240
Rhodes, friend of the podcast, 
friend of both of us, messaged 

769
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,800
me that he'd been for his early 
morning Sunday long run near my 

770
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
house. 
And he said, I kept an eye out 

771
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,480
for you. 
And I said, oh mate, there's no 

772
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,160
way I'd go running at that time 
in the morning. 

773
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,480
I went for my, I went down to 
Kingscliffe with the family and 

774
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,680
I ran home from there. 
So I put A17K run in at like 11 

775
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,960
o'clock 12:00. 
And he's like, oh, how did you 

776
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,720
do that in the heat of the day? 
And I'm like, that's my running 

777
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,200
time. 
This doesn't feel it didn't feel

778
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,280
hard or hot or difficult to me 
at all, so I just don't think 

779
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,200
I'll be ever out to do early 
morning hours again. 

780
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,720
What? 
Are you doing at Kingsliff down 

781
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,280
at the beach there? 
Just went down with the kids, 

782
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,760
down there with the family, down
at the river. 

783
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Or the beach showing. 
We went down to what the reason 

784
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,240
we went down there is actually 
there's a new sandwich shop 

785
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,920
opened up down there called 
Breadwinners and it is 

786
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,880
excellent. 
So shout out to Breadwinners. 

787
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Great sandwiches. 
My Alana really wanted to try 

788
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,720
them. 
My daughter been playing soccer 

789
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,280
down there. 
She'd seen it so went down, had 

790
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,280
a sandwich. 
I put my stuff in the car and 

791
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,800
just ran home from there, which 
sounds picturesque. 

792
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,640
And the running along Kingscliff
was really nice. 

793
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,720
But then you kind of have to run
through Tweed and then you and, 

794
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,440
and not really. 
There's no beach. 

795
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,760
Doesn't really get nice again 
until you hit Kira. 

796
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,320
It's like the old hospital and 
that. 

797
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,320
Yeah, it's got. 
To get all that sort of stuff, 

798
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,640
but. 
So injury. 

799
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Sorry, back to my injury. 
So yeah, and I ran that 17 K 

800
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,400
long E with this injury and it 
was fine, but. 

801
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Swollen knee, tight quad. 
It was only I went for a run 

802
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,440
prior to the Sydney Derby down 
in Sydney and I just rolled 

803
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
around Centennial Park. 
Nothing crazy, but I was in the 

804
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040
cab and I was in the Adidas 
Boston Twelves. 

805
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,920
So they've got the carbon rods 
in it. 

806
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,040
And I was kind of just trotting 
at about sort of four 45450 

807
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,240
pace. 
And then I went and sat down and

808
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,760
called the Sydney Swans Giants 
game and it was only when I 

809
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,160
stood. 
Oh, no, I because I tend to 

810
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,520
stand up when I commentate 
games. 

811
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,320
And then when I sat down and 
bent the knee, it was really 

812
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,880
tight and I was like, oh, this 
is a new feeling and I'll I'll 

813
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,320
show you. 
I'll stand up for a second, 

814
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,320
Courtney. 
Yeah, we've had a bit of a, it's

815
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,960
a little bit swollen, isn't it? 
So that's the. 

816
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Just blocked my camera. 
Anyone watching on Spotify? 

817
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,280
That's the left knee and the 
last time I had any sort of the 

818
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,880
sensations about this was back 
when I was playing footy and I 

819
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,840
got some bursas around my knee 
due to a tight ITB. 

820
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Bed ITB. 
So have you been down doing your

821
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,800
strength down with alley cats or
I haven't? 

822
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
No, no. 
That's what you're missing. 

823
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,240
Yeah, I and the reason I say 
that I have had a bit of a 

824
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,520
refocus at the moment, like 
really concentrating on, you 

825
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,960
know, getting back and 
addressing my strength, you 

826
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080
know, of sick of having these 
niggles and things. 

827
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,840
Cause in the end, it's not about
for me, it's not about the 

828
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,200
performance, it's not about 
anything else. 

829
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,560
It's just about getting out and 
running, enjoying it and not, 

830
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,320
not happening to worry and geez,
you know what's going to happen 

831
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880
today type thing. 
I just want to get back to being

832
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,240
able to go out and enjoy my 
running. 

833
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Two fold of what I've, you know,
addressed doing that one is 

834
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,880
getting back to, you know, 
proper strength. 

835
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,680
So some weights lifting, even 
activating before I go out, you 

836
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,800
know, the coordinate and making 
sure that I'm I think I'm just 

837
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,200
to be honest, I think I just got
weak, right. 

838
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,240
I really, really, you know, 
through a range of different 

839
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,640
things that were happening. 
I just think I've just thought 

840
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,480
I'm Superman and can get away 
with just running and that's 

841
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,440
just not the reality. 
And I feel 1,000,000 bucks since

842
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,160
I've been doing some of this 
stuff. 

843
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,760
You know, I'm still getting back
and and doing it. 

844
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,160
The second thing I'm done. 
I mentioned play golf the other 

845
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,640
weekend. 
Nothing to do with golf, by the 

846
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,240
way. 
So I'm calling us out on golf, 

847
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,440
but I went for a surf on Sunday.
Oh nice, just got out in the 

848
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,960
water, had a paddle. 
Having a paddle, my glutes or 

849
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,800
just my lower back was on fire. 
Really. 

850
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,240
So it was all these things that 
you know, so many things I used 

851
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,600
to do throughout my whole 
career, I suppose because I was 

852
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,280
more, you know, we were run 
focused, but multi sport in 

853
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,520
discipline in the sense that 
would always be riding, 

854
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,240
swimming, surfing, paddling, 
whatever it is. 

855
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,320
And then I've just tried to run 
and that's what I've worked out 

856
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,200
as probably being my biggest 
Achilles heel. 

857
00:42:54,200 --> 00:43:00,480
So the goal is running, but I'm 
going to do it with a holistic 

858
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,200
approach and so far, so far. 
For those that can't see it, 

859
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,760
alarm just went off in the 
studio because Courtney used the

860
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:15,840
word holistic. 
Oh no, we've become that 

861
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,560
podcast. 
Oh, that is a. 

862
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Wanker. 
A holistic approach. 

863
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,720
A holistic approach? 
No. 

864
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,360
OK, OK, I'm going to let's let's
walk that back. 

865
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,920
I'm going to say I've taken a 
more outdoor approach. 

866
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,240
No, that's not even how you'd 
say it. 

867
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,160
A more multidisciplined 
approach. 

868
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Diversification, not 
specialisation. 

869
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,880
I'm not only used to 
diversification, either they put

870
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
us in another, we'll get flagged
or something else on this 

871
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,920
podcast. 
So that's all the stuff. 

872
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,680
Anyway, I I get what you mean 
and I don't mind the phrase 

873
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,560
holistic, I was just having a 
bit of fun with. 

874
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,000
You big? 
No. 

875
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,680
But now you've called it out. 
I do mind I. 

876
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Feel like that is also a trigger
word with AI. 

877
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Think that's an alarm word if 
you see someone saying they've 

878
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,800
got. 
Like going through a midlife 

879
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,040
crisis or something. 
Yeah. 

880
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,440
It's like, I'm a holistic 
physio, I'm a holistic 

881
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,040
nutritionist. 
I'm a all right, we get. 

882
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,880
It hey, I've always said Jack of
all trades master and I mean 

883
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,400
that was my life it's what he 
used you're. 

884
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Taking a you're taking an an all
trades approach to running 

885
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,320
trades approach to running. 
I like that. 

886
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,040
That's so that's a because 
that's oh. 

887
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,120
Really. 
I got off your. 

888
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,160
No, no, no, no, no. 
That's my advice on it was go 

889
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,440
back and look at what you're 
missing. 

890
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Yeah, you're right. 
We're just we're just so focused

891
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
on the running and you know, The
funny thing is talk, having the 

892
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,200
podcast each week and we're 
always talking running that I 

893
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,280
think in the early days, at 
least for the first, you know, 

894
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,200
six months, I was like, it's 
running, running, running, 

895
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,600
running, running, running, but 
it kind of come to it. 

896
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
We're not going to go as far as 
high rocks, but it's kind of 

897
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,160
come to. 
It that like, that's the line, 

898
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,800
that's the line, that's the line
we won't go to. 

899
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Yes, Liam's found something he 
might be interested in, but 

900
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,320
we've decided that's the wrong 
side of the fence. 

901
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,080
We know the line, but my thing 
is we're about, we're here about

902
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,480
fitness, yeah. 
Holistic approach to. 

903
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,960
That's everything and it felt 
bloody great then out on the 

904
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,400
surf. 
So I think that's great. 

905
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,200
It's I bumped into, if people 
aren't familiar with Nick, a 35 

906
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,680
who's become something of a Mr 
Gold Coast. 

907
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,240
In fact, that was literally the 
headline of an article he had 

908
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,040
about him on the weekend. 
I bumped into him this morning 

909
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,920
and he was about to go out for a
surf and he's like mate, come 

910
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,920
here for a surf. 
In context, he used to do the 

911
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,040
SURF report for Trip. 
For you guys still does the the 

912
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,400
surf report and and in the 
surfing community on the Gold 

913
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,200
Coast, he's become quite 
prominent. 

914
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
He's also DJ ING and stuff now. 
But yeah, he said let's go out 

915
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,720
for a surf. 
And and I have to say to all 

916
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,760
these people who say let's come 
out for a surf that, yeah, I 

917
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,080
can't surf. 
Like I can stand up paddle 

918
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,600
around and look like a twit, but
I'm not, you know, when you say 

919
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,840
let's go for a surf. 
You don't. 

920
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,080
You don't want to be dropped in 
the middle of snappers. 

921
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,800
No, no, no thank. 
You you don't probably be burly.

922
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
I don't mind watching D bar from
the headland but that's about 

923
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,840
it. 
Ohh good to handle myself. 

924
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,280
Had a burly but I'd be on the 
outside. 

925
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,720
I don't wanna be a burly. 
I I like no crowds. 

926
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,720
Let's go. 
Just so yeah, my approach to 

927
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:06,120
surfing is when I, I, I look at 
the look at the break and you 

928
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,560
can see like there's a good bank
there. 

929
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Yep, 4567 guys. 
Yeah, leave that alone. 

930
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,040
I'll just go in the middle. 
Yeah, I'll just say one will 

931
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,520
roll through every so often. 
I I'm not I'm not that into we. 

932
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Can't go for a surf together 
then. 

933
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
That's exactly how I approach 
it, except that I try and stay 

934
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,480
up and. 
Fall off. 

935
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,240
I don't like crowds. 
That's why I spend my time in 

936
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,360
the Bush. 
Yeah, well, now Speaking of 

937
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,240
staying with the running part of
that despite the knee, so I did 

938
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,720
that 17K with the swollen knee 
and it's fine and it's actually 

939
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,760
today it's a bit better than it 
was yesterday. 

940
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,320
So I think it's a bit of clearly
a bit of fluid and it's just 

941
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,800
calm down. 
But my I am with my running 

942
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,320
because I'm enjoying being that 
running. 

943
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,440
I am taking the the 10% approach
that in terms of load. 

944
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,240
Load volume each volume each 
week. 

945
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:53,240
So are you treating the volume 
as kilometres or time? 

946
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,400
Interestingly, and here this is 
so interesting you mentioned 

947
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,320
that, because after I finished 
that 17K run, I'm like, Oh yeah,

948
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,440
I'm about 10% up on last week 
kilometres wise. 

949
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,160
I'm also the time matches up, 
Yeah, right. 

950
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,720
It was about a 10% just to have 
a 10% increase both kilometres 

951
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,040
and in terms of minutes. 
So you haven't been in the 

952
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,760
forest? 
No, I haven't been in the 

953
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,040
forest. 
No, no, no, there's not a lot of

954
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,160
elevation. 
Yeah, yeah, in, in the the, but 

955
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,800
look back to sort of I did 45 KS
last week. 

956
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,720
So I'll build on that again and 
probably get somewhere around 50

957
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,120
KS in terms of kilometres this 
week. 

958
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Perfect. 
But there's no need to. 

959
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,720
Yeah, as I said from the start, 
I normally I'd be pulling out 

960
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,480
the bike and trying to add in 
some bike kilometres. 

961
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,320
Maybe I will. 
Maybe I'll just put some bikers 

962
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,920
in anyway. 
But with Nooser off the table, 

963
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,960
what about your running? 
You mentioned all your strength 

964
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,000
and your holistic. 
Approach. 

965
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,400
No, I'm just. 
I'm just running have. 

966
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,080
You been up in the trails? 
No, I haven't been in the, I 

967
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,040
haven't been in the trails 
running. 

968
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,720
I've been in the trails riding, 
right. 

969
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
I've done a couple. 
I was out a couple of 

970
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600
afternoons. 
It's just been, you know, in the

971
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,840
days. 
Well, I'm just looking out the 

972
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080
window now. 
The days have been magic. 

973
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,600
We've got that better range 
through, but it has been like 

974
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,480
specky winter weather and 
there's nothing better than 

975
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,800
being out exercising. 
It doesn't matter what you're 

976
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,760
doing. 
Running. 

977
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,480
I was out on the mountain bike a
few times in the afternoon last 

978
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,880
week for an hour and a half. 
Like just brilliant out in the 

979
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,920
ocean. 
Whatever it is, it's mainly, but

980
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
I'm just sure at the moment was 
running, just building up, 

981
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,360
building strength, running about
40 minutes. 

982
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,560
I've got 5050 minutes. 
I've got nothing to really tell 

983
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,920
you about. 
That's too interesting because 

984
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,320
it's just been, I'm literally 
running. 

985
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,840
This weekend though, I'm heading
down to Sydney. 

986
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Yep. 
So Sunday morning, cuz city to 

987
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,240
surf's too. 
Well, when you're hearing us on 

988
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,400
Saturday, listening on Saturday 
will be the following Sunday. 

989
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,800
So 88 days later, yes. 
OK, so in eight days, as you're 

990
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,280
listening on Saturday, yeah, 
you'll be a city to surf. 

991
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,040
But this weekend I'm heading 
down to have a run in I believe 

992
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,360
it's Centennial Park with Rebel 
sport and they're no it isn't 

993
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Centennial Park. 
It is at the Swans Gordon 

994
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,360
Pavilion. 
What's that location around? 

995
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Yeah, you're next to Centennial 
Park. 

996
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,600
Is that's right next to 
Centennial Park, Moore Park, 

997
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,400
Moore Park, Moore Park. 
Yeah, so go down to Moore Park 

998
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,720
and they do a, they've been 
doing a kind of like 8 week 

999
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,040
programme up to city to surf. 
Oh fantastic. 

1000
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,720
Gonna go and have a have a run 
with the Sydney crew. 

1001
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:14,480
Oh. 
Great. 

1002
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,360
I was just, it got me thinking 
then just as you, because I was 

1003
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,400
down in Sydney, the weekend just
gone and I was back in 

1004
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,440
Centennial Park and and this 
coming weekend or the weekend 

1005
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,960
people are listening to this. 
I'm going to be in Adelaide. 

1006
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,680
I'm actually going down to visit
my folks and my brother. 

1007
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,040
And I'm going to my plan is to 
go and I'm going to go and run 

1008
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,560
the river, which for people that
know Adelaide, I've done it the 

1009
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,520
river times. 
It's nice. 

1010
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,840
Yeah. 
So it got me. 

1011
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,480
I'd love people to message in 
with, like, I don't want to call

1012
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,520
it the iconic run of where 
you're from, but I guess if 

1013
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,400
people can only do one run. 
In your city. 

1014
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,920
From where or, or, or your town 
or your, you know, if you're 

1015
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,000
from new, you know, but 
Newcastle's Newcastle is a city.

1016
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,560
They knew you were probably 
wasn't the right choice. 

1017
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,600
But you know, even if we're like
smaller places, Dubbo, Dubbo 

1018
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,880
coughs, Port Macquarie, wherever
it is, I'd love to know. 

1019
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,320
And it doesn't have to be, you 
know, if you're from Melbourne 

1020
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,080
or the 10, OK. 
But if there's another run, you 

1021
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,800
think that it's like. 
Recommendations. 

1022
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,000
So what's your, what's your Gold
Coast? 

1023
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,760
What, what do you call the Gold 
Coast? 

1024
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,760
What, what would you say is the 
if you got one run on the Gold 

1025
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,120
Coast, what do you do? 
Because I know, I mean, when you

1026
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,160
were interviewing Andy the other
week, we'll cop in a fair bit of

1027
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,800
Flack. 
And the Gold Coast and thinks 

1028
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,320
this place sucks for running. 
But the comment is they all come

1029
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,080
and run here for that one race a
year and just run along the 

1030
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,720
Esplanade back and forth and 
don't even bother going up into 

1031
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,000
the spit half the time. 
So here's what I would here's 

1032
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,960
the run. 
I this is a good exercise 

1033
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
actually. 
And look, let's let's this is, 

1034
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,080
this is a nice way to continue 
to reflect some running around 

1035
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,680
the place. 
First thing first, if you're 

1036
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,560
listening to this and you've got
an iconic run or a run that you 

1037
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,760
would recommend to somebody 
where you live, tell us about it

1038
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,440
and we'll share some. 
Here's the run I would recommend

1039
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,960
to people. 
If you're coming to the Gold 

1040
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Coast, I would recommend what 
I'm going to call the burly head

1041
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,320
all in, right? 
And that is that you start at, 

1042
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,320
you get your taste of Burly 
Pavilion, right? 

1043
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,920
That's where you start. 
That's your start point. 

1044
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,400
And the Nook. 
The Nook? 

1045
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Yep. 
Start there. 

1046
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,280
Get your coffee. 
It's not the Nook anymore that 

1047
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,520
moved. 
That cafe move. 

1048
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,960
Yeah, it's not the Nook anymore.
That's gone. 

1049
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040
OK, the hole in the wall the. 
Hole in the wall coffee. 

1050
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,080
You're gonna start there and the
first thing you're actually 

1051
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,520
going to do is head away from 
the water. 

1052
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,920
So you are going to run back 
around Burleigh Head, not 

1053
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,960
through it. 
You're not going to take the 

1054
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,600
hills. 
You're going to run around it or

1055
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,560
along the Gold Coast Highway. 
Oh, and then you're going to 

1056
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:52,960
Head. 
Why? 

1057
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,320
Wouldn't you go beach side? 
No. 

1058
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,880
No, no, because then you're 
going to head. 

1059
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,760
Up into flays. 
Flays Fauna Centre. 

1060
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,440
Yes. 
So you're literally going to do 

1061
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,720
a lap of Telly Creek. 
You're going to do the lap of 

1062
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,080
Telly. 
Let's call it the Telly Creek 

1063
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,200
lap. 
Let's call it Flays. 

1064
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Is it Flays Fauna? 
Oh, OK. 

1065
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,880
Well, a flays loop. 
Is that what it's called? 

1066
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,120
All right, The flays loop. 
I've never known that. 

1067
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Haven't. 
You taken your kids to Flay's 

1068
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,680
fauna centre at the back. 
There no, never. 

1069
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,440
Kangaroos similar to the crumb 
and central well. 

1070
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,680
That's probably why we always go
to Crumb and Flay's that loop. 

1071
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,000
I found it because I followed 
Clint Kimmons on Strava and I 

1072
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,960
saw Clint run it and he put some
photos and some videos up and 

1073
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,000
he's like all of this. 
I can do this 10K loop where I 

1074
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,440
get hills, I get trail, I get 
boardwalk, I get flat and I get 

1075
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,960
beach. 
And I get all of that within 500

1076
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,600
metres of belly beach. 
Yeah. 

1077
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,680
And he's right. 
It is just you get a variety of 

1078
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,400
terrain, you get a variety of 
elevation and you start and 

1079
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,920
finish at Burley. 
It brings you back to the carrot

1080
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,160
behind the caravan, yeah. 
You end up running out along the

1081
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,280
front of the jump. 
Off have a jump off the bridge 

1082
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,240
if. 
You wanted to to see the. 

1083
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,680
That's it. 
See the Dolphins? 

1084
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,680
I love it. 
Whatever. 

1085
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,120
That is the run, I would say to 
anybody that's capable of kind 

1086
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,920
of doing, you know, A10 to 12K 
run, that's the run I'd 

1087
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,200
recommend. 
It's a great, we did a lot of 

1088
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,480
our intervals. 
So when you're coming back 

1089
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,080
along, I'm just trying to think 
of the drive. 

1090
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,600
I don't know the name of the 
road, but as you're coming along

1091
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,680
the other side, Yep, on the 
water, Yep, there's Mark, 

1092
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,080
someone's painted markers there 
over the year and there's K 

1093
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,200
markers and it's probably the 
best kilometre stretch of 

1094
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,960
bitumen. 
If you don't want to run around 

1095
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,720
a track, you'll find around the 
Gold Coast, low traffic, massive

1096
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,720
wide curve, you're running along
the water there or the kind of 

1097
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,040
like mangroves. 
I spent a lot, many many years 

1098
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,760
actually, for going up to a few 
Olympic preps. 

1099
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,720
I'd go out on a Tuesday and run 
15K. 

1100
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,840
Telebudger, Dr. Telebudger Dr. 
I've just looked it up. 

1101
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,560
Yeah 15K in the morning jogging 
yeah go and swim do our swim 

1102
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,440
session for the day and then go 
back there in the afternoon yeah

1103
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200
to do our you know, 8 by 1 K 
reps it's. 

1104
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Quiet because it's essentially 
no through Rd at the end there. 

1105
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,400
Yeah, great, great loop. 
That's that's the runner. 

1106
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,320
I would that would be my 
TripAdvisor run recommendation. 

1107
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,880
Yeah. 
What would you, I mean you tell 

1108
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,320
people to go up to the ring? 
So I don't get really arsed 

1109
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,760
about Rd. 
Yeah, every, every every 

1110
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,400
question I get DM Ed on you know
where. 

1111
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Can I go in trails? 
It's like where would you run on

1112
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,080
the Gold Coast for trails? 
Now if I said scenic loop I'll 

1113
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:26,600
send them up Spring brook way. 
Yep, I also when people ask 

1114
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,520
directly where to go, I love to 
tell them I don't like to throw 

1115
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,480
it out there into the world as 
well because you don't want 

1116
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,480
places to you don't want to run.
If you really want to know where

1117
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,640
to go, reach out. 
But yeah, so the spring go up in

1118
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,640
Spring Brook, pleasant places, 
but I always say Nerang. 

1119
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,120
It's great. 
If you want to come Nerang, it's

1120
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,840
National Park used to be a safe 
forest, but Nerang is probably 

1121
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,640
one of the most underrated 
places you can go to exercise, I

1122
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,560
think, and I'm gonna say in 
Australia near a capital city. 

1123
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,720
So there's there's better places
to go and run and do things. 

1124
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:06,400
But next to a in a capital, 
literally 15 minutes from the 

1125
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:13,280
coast, 60 kilometres, a single 
track, endless fire trails, 

1126
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600
hills, whatever. 
And you know, you go out there 

1127
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,800
in an afternoon or morning, 
you'll see kangaroo. 

1128
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,680
You see everything it is and 
it's literally in this. 

1129
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,000
It's arguably in the city. 
Can we, this is just to pivot 

1130
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:32,800
slightly talking about Nerang, 
there's an opportunity for that 

1131
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,840
suburb to really what you just 
spoke about there. 

1132
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,280
If I am a part of the Gold Coast
City Council or a part of the 

1133
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,240
Nerang Commerce Chamber, 
whatever, I don't know what they

1134
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,240
have you're barking up. 
No, no, no. 

1135
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:50,440
Barking up a wrong tree. 
Mate no, but I think why aren't 

1136
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,640
they interested? 
This is Narang for those that 

1137
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,800
don't know where we're talking 
about. 

1138
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,360
This is a traditionally lower 
socio economic area that as you 

1139
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,600
just pointed out has incredible 
natural resources at the door. 

1140
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,720
Now the health and Wellness 
economy here on the Gold Coast 

1141
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,600
is booming. 
I was talking to Taylor Steel 

1142
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,320
for those that don't know. 
Surf documentary maker owns 

1143
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,880
tequila brand, runs the what's 
his fur festival that he just 

1144
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,320
had on here called, I can't even
remember Anyway, Cilento, the 

1145
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,400
Cilento Surf Film Festival. 
That's the name of his tequila 

1146
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,760
as well. 
I was having a conversation with

1147
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,400
Taylor about this very thing and
he was saying that the the 

1148
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,040
health and Wellness economy here
is is booming. 

1149
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,640
It is flying. 
It is growing at an incredible 

1150
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,920
rate. 
If I'm Narang, I'm leaning in, 

1151
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,560
yeah, shoulder to the wheel. 
This is an opportunity to 

1152
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,560
utilise your natural resources, 
your competitive advantage in 

1153
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,960
this space to attract more 
events, more businesses, more 

1154
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,040
people and build Yeah. 
We we would need multiple hours 

1155
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,520
to be able to discuss this. 
But OK, what I do agree. 

1156
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,080
I mean, it's an amazing place to
go and walk, ride, run, 

1157
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,560
exercise. 
But that's where I send people 

1158
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,000
because it's so close to the 
coast and it's just, you know, 

1159
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,760
endless out there. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1160
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,160
But you know, the answer to why,
you know, I kind of baulked and 

1161
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,200
said you're barking out their 
own tree. 

1162
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,000
Gold Coast is still built on our
beaches. 

1163
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,640
You know, we have an from now, 
we have, we have an amazing 

1164
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,360
Himalaya. 
We have amazing everything else.

1165
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,560
But the beaches is what the you 
know, if you're gonna, if you're

1166
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,360
gonna display Gold Coast, it's 
always gonna be the beaches. 

1167
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Of course, let's the beaches are
the gateway drug, though. 

1168
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,960
I feel like we can get the 
tourists onto that. 

1169
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,760
I feel like we can. 
I feel like we can and, and I 

1170
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,480
feel like we should, as much as 
I've just said, Nerang needs to 

1171
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,760
do this. 
You and I have an opportunity 

1172
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,320
through this a little bit and 
you don't. 

1173
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,680
You work for Tourism QLD 
sometimes. 

1174
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,240
Not in Nerang. 
But there is there is an 

1175
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:55,720
incredible, the Gold Coast is 
beaches, but it is at the same 

1176
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,720
time so much more than that. 
And the growth isn't around the 

1177
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,120
beaches. 
The growth is around everything 

1178
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,920
else here. 
I did get called out the other 

1179
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,520
day. 
We mentioned something on, we 

1180
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,520
mentioned a location that I 
won't say again on the podcast 

1181
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,520
where I'd been and I got a few 
people saying, hey, hey, hey. 

1182
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,440
Down Oh, you gave it up really 
it's. 

1183
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,200
Just yeah, we, we we like it 
quiet. 

1184
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,320
We like it. 
We like it quiet where we are. 

1185
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,160
And then I have seen one or two 
people who saw me on Strava go 

1186
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,280
running in this place unnamed. 
Noise, yeah. 

1187
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,240
Quickly did did wrong by our 
other community. 

1188
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,240
Gold Coast beaches, What do you 
think of beach bars? 

1189
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,640
European style beach bars where 
they can serve you drinks on the

1190
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,080
beach. 
On the fence. 

1191
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,640
You know what I am for though, 
what more restaurants, cafes, 

1192
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,800
whatever that you can sit there 
and have a beach view. 

1193
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,680
So this is here's here's. 
How do you do that? 

1194
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,600
This is a Gold Coast specific 
question here, but if I said to 

1195
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,480
you this afternoon, let's go 
down and have a beer on the 

1196
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,240
beach and it's not a surf club, 
Cool. 

1197
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,240
How you've you've really taken 
my feet out from underground. 

1198
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Not a surf club. 
Where do I go to have a coffee 

1199
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,520
or a beer in the afternoon or 
lunch and just overlook the 

1200
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,400
beach? 
Got it. 

1201
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,840
Yeah, you can. 
Besides pavilion and and of the 

1202
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,920
obvious. 
Well, barely. 

1203
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:23,320
Pav Kira Hotel. 
I think you can see it from 

1204
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,680
there. 
It's across the road. 

1205
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,560
It's. 
Across the road you might need 

1206
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,560
to you. 
Might need like mini binoculars.

1207
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,040
Still, it's hard. 
Hey, well, there's that new 

1208
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,920
restaurant in the Kira. 
I forgot the name of it. 

1209
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,520
I went up there. 
There. 

1210
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,800
Siblings. 
Yes, siblings. 

1211
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,800
Siblings. 
Yeah, it's downstairs from the 

1212
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,280
surf. 
Club. 

1213
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,400
So there are a few, yeah. 
But it's it's tough going, like 

1214
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,120
even up in Surfers Paradise. 
There's nothing, Everything's 

1215
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,560
across the road exactly. 
Actually, there's some places in

1216
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,400
Paradise Centre, but again, 
you're kind of looking, you're 

1217
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,880
up through things. 
Yeah, so the big there's a cafe 

1218
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,480
just above the sole that you can
sit out, but the balcony's only 

1219
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,440
for about four two person 
tables. 

1220
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,520
Yeah, it's tough. 
It's challenging. 

1221
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,920
Tommy's Italian in Karaman 
Karaman RSL. 

1222
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,720
That's an RSL. 
Hang on. 

1223
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,160
But they're on the river. 
Yeah, maybe you can go on and 

1224
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,480
poke your head around, all 
right, but it's we look, we 

1225
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,560
won't disappear down a Gold 
Coast conversation here, but I 

1226
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,680
did. 
That's where I think the 

1227
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,040
beaches. 
Yep, there's an opportunity. 

1228
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Hey, let's. 
Scoop away from the Gold Coast 

1229
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,000
conversation to local races. 
Now. 

1230
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,640
I am late on this one, but I've 
talked about triple, triple top,

1231
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,080
which is the Tasmanian race. 
I don't always triple. 

1232
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,760
Top. 
Triple tops, OK 3, three peaks 

1233
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,240
down in Tasmania, I think the 
first one's roll instead of down

1234
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,680
near Launceston. 
I've called it out even though 

1235
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,000
I've never done it. 
Want to do it as one of the 

1236
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,400
toughest kind of proper you know
a little bit of it's not off 

1237
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,320
track, but there's the track is 
is very technical finishes with 

1238
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,440
a 5K decline I think in 700 
metres, don't quote 700 down 

1239
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,520
under that 700 metres descent 
over 5K. 

1240
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,880
So it's a tough race now it 
opened on Tuesday for regos. 

1241
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,440
I reckon it's gonna be sold out 
by the time I'm saying this. 

1242
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,440
But Stephen Hunkin, thanks for 
sending an inmate. 

1243
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,760
I, I wanted to shout it out 
because hopefully I'm, I'm 

1244
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,000
hoping. 
With over 1100 metres of 

1245
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,440
elevation and almost 1000 metres
of sent over the final five KS 

1246
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,200
and an all time record of only 
one hours, 57 for the 19 

1247
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,120
kilometre course, the triple Top
mountain run is not for the 

1248
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,800
faint hearted. 
So put that in context. 19 

1249
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,880
kilometres less than half 
marathon. 

1250
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,560
The record is basically two 
hours. 

1251
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,600
So that's I'm gonna take again 
like a guess and say we may be 

1252
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,400
too late on this one, but. 
That's still one of the best, 

1253
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
hardest, most gruelling and 
amazing trail run ever. 

1254
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,320
Take only memories, leave only 
footprints. 

1255
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,840
That is a cool sounding race. 
It sounds like the sort of race 

1256
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,320
that Courtney would get me to 
join in 12 weeks before I do a 

1257
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,400
marathon and then break and then
my body is never going. 

1258
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,200
To be I'm not suggesting it 
Liam, because that one is an 

1259
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,920
injury rating to happen that. 
Long You know the other reason 

1260
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,680
you love this and as I just read
a bit about it quickly, the 

1261
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,560
walkers and runners are like we 
put to the most gruelling of 

1262
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,920
testers. 
They've battled their way along 

1263
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,240
this technical single track 
course. 

1264
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,040
That's what you you get excited 
about. 

1265
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,920
Most people would see technical 
single track and think, well you

1266
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,480
see that and go. 
Oh well, some other races say 

1267
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,640
they've got technical single 
track, but from what I've heard 

1268
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,360
this is technical single track 
and sometimes I think the track 

1269
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,280
disappears under the under the 
scrub. 

1270
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Culminates in a knee destroying 
descent. 

1271
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,120
That's not what you want to 
hear. 

1272
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,920
Well, it's not going to be great
for your knee at the moment, is 

1273
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:45,160
it? 
I. 

1274
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Love it all. 
Right mate, let's wrap up. 

1275
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,720
I'll go to a bit of comedy to 
finish your favourite. 

1276
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,960
Matt Lyon had a great one a few 
weeks ago. 

1277
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,640
How you doing, Tonic? 
Good to meet you. 

1278
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320
And I think it's time we start 
talking about changing the name 

1279
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,160
of this thing from run Club to 
Cheeky Beverage Club. 

1280
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,120
What do you think? 
Because look, what are we paying

1281
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,840
a $30 registration fee for when 
we're not even running to the 

1282
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,680
club? 
Once the organiser said we're 

1283
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,760
doing 4 to 5 miles, I was like 
you've got me for three Max and 

1284
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,000
there's nothing you can do. 
I'm cracking a cold one. 

1285
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,760
Look, I know they said 9 to 10 
minute pace but man, I'm here to

1286
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,280
socialise. 
I figured crank out the mileage 

1287
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,760
in the 1st 15 minutes. 
That leaves an extra 15 for 

1288
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,520
cocktails and banter. 
Isn't that the whole point? 

1289
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:28,680
That's where you and I are 
different. 

1290
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,040
I'd rather exercise my social 
skills than my cardiovascular 

1291
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,520
system. 
My buddy Cadence over there 

1292
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,120
tried suggesting acai bowls and 
another 3 miles instead of 

1293
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,360
drinks today. 
I said well I'm going to suggest

1294
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,120
you find another run club 
because the only fitness I'm 

1295
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,600
trying to work on is fitting 
this ice cold beverage into a 

1296
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,000
koozie. 
See that 26.2 sticker on my 

1297
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,400
Subaru over there? 
A lot of people run marathons 

1298
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,280
for a cause. 
You want to know my cause? 

1299
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,400
That sound right there. 
I don't put the sticker on there

1300
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,480
to flaunt how far I've run. 
I put it on there to express the

1301
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,120
distance I'm willing to travel, 
knowing there are good drinks 

1302
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,360
and good vibes at the end. 
He's good. 

1303
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,480
He's got it figured out a bit. 
The evolution of run clubs is 

1304
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,920
something I we don't have time 
for this today. 

1305
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Next week, next step, I'm going 
to come back with some more 

1306
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Strava theories because remember
how I said that Strava, you know

1307
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,880
the premium Strava options and 
all that sort of stuff, the 

1308
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,320
evolution of it. 
I'd just like to send this 

1309
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,080
message to Strava quickly. 
I'm still not a paid up member. 

1310
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,840
I'm still on the free model and 
you keep telling me every time I

1311
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,680
open my Strava app, last day is 
last day is 25% off. 

1312
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,040
It's never the sales never going
to win. 

1313
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,080
You're always going to be 
offering me a deal to subscribe 

1314
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,160
to this thing. 
Stop telling me that it's about 

1315
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:44,960
to run out. 
I. 

1316
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,800
Missed your birthday yet? 
No, you haven't. 

1317
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,000
It's coming up good. 
Good, But the Strava situation 

1318
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,840
look, I'm getting last chance 
25% off You've got goals. 

1319
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,360
Get the tools that help you to 
reach them 25% off web only 

1320
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,000
offer and soon. 
No, it doesn't. 

1321
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,200
You'll always be offering me 
because you want me to sign up 

1322
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,160
and subscribe. 
You want my data Yes, and you'll

1323
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,120
probably get it, but I there is 
the Strava world. 

1324
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,840
There's more happening with this
thing. 

1325
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,920
Yep, I did have it, but I'm not 
going to play it today though. 

1326
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,440
We have the running races. 
We talked about the the the 

1327
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,000
Barker times, Spotify. 
We had one from Bandit and they 

1328
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,040
did the. 
Interesting, it was like the. 

1329
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,640
F1 Do you want to hear it? 
What? 

1330
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,240
Do they play? 
It play it, play it game play. 

1331
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,360
It running just got its own F1 
style racing series and it is 

1332
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,640
wild. 
So it's called the Bandit Grand 

1333
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,880
Prix hosted by Bandit running 
and the first ever event just 

1334
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,360
happened in Brooklyn. 
But this thing was nothing like 

1335
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,280
a normal road race. 
They built a technical multi lap

1336
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,120
circuit that. 
Winds through Brooklyn with 

1337
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,680
sharp turns indoor sex. 
And spectators lining the course

1338
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,960
cheering like it's an F1 pit 
lane racers kick things off with

1339
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,360
qualifying 5K heat, battling for
spots in a 3K super final under 

1340
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,080
the lights if you didn't want to
run solo. 

1341
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,880
They had a team relay option as 
well. 

1342
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,600
But it gets even better. 
The event didn't end at the 

1343
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,560
finish line. 
There was a full on after party 

1344
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,120
with a DJ, Food trucks and 
drinks the entire. 

1345
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,760
Event experience was really one 
of a kind mixing fit. 

1346
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,160
That's what a bit like what we 
talked, what I was kind of 

1347
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,480
referring to at the start where 
not so much Travis Barker. 

1348
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,520
Yeah, thing where you go out and
do 10K run. 

1349
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,600
It's a vibe where there's a host
of different races that happen. 

1350
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,760
I saw, I saw this one. 
And to be honest, it's a bit 

1351
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,000
frustrating. 
I mean, it's great to see 

1352
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,560
everyone innovating and getting 
out there and trying different 

1353
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,680
things, but they all treat it 
like they're the first to market

1354
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,800
and that the first ones to do 
this. 

1355
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,160
I mean, Zirconi I saw online did
something very similar. 

1356
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,920
Zirconi, Zirconi. 
It's just you never get older, 

1357
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,440
you just say with Sukkani mum. 
Said all like that for 30 years.

1358
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,320
I'm not gonna change now, I'm 
sure said. 

1359
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
The old man at the Christmas 
party. 

1360
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,200
We're gonna get called out 
again, aren't we? 

1361
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,920
We're never gonna get anything 
from no them. 

1362
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,760
Yeah, so they did one. 
It's all happening to be honest,

1363
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,040
we I've thought about, we've 
talked about doing these 

1364
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,000
industrial site like taking an 
industrial site and doing a run 

1365
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,080
race through it and it's never 
really come to fruition. 

1366
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,200
We haven't seen it as the right 
the right thing, but they're not

1367
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,640
new everyone. 
Of course you're not. 

1368
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,960
Brands coming out going look, we
just did the first F1 style 

1369
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,040
thing. 
There's nothing new. 

1370
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,760
They're nothing new. 
There's nothing new. 

1371
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,720
And the other thing I would say 
to everybody as well, it's like 

1372
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,800
everything. 
Just because you see something 

1373
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,800
on Instagram, I I have when 
people show you their 

1374
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,400
highlights, yeah, it's 
highlights for a reason. 

1375
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,880
I can make any bloke that's 
played AFL for for 10 games look

1376
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,200
like a superstar if I package up
their highlights. 

1377
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,320
The reality is what they did 
outside of those highlights. 

1378
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,000
And so these events, while they 
might get packaged up and look 

1379
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,600
like, Oh my gosh, how did they 
come up with this unless you 

1380
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:57,880
were there? 
Yeah. 

1381
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,280
And experiencing it directly, 
don't just take it as read that 

1382
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,560
it was as amazing as the brand 
that's marketing it made it 

1383
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,640
seem. 
Experience it for yourself 

1384
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,400
before you drink the Kool Aid, I
guess. 

1385
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,160
And as I'm saying that it's 
probably a fair lesson around 

1386
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,960
Hyrox. 
Yeah. 

1387
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,920
Have you actually been to a 
Hyrox? 

1388
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,200
No, I haven't. 
I have. 

1389
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,680
I haven't competed in one. 
I better be in there. 

1390
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:23,760
Maybe I'll just. 
Maybe I. 

1391
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,560
Went I went to Brisbane to check
it out to see what it was all 

1392
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,800
about. 
So maybe that's what I have to. 

1393
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:32,240
Do you know the most impressive 
thing about High Rocks was the 

1394
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,760
way they had their, their, the 
management of getting people in 

1395
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,200
and out of the middle of the 
arena. 

1396
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,080
And I've seen, I don't know if 
I've spoken about this before on

1397
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,279
the podcast, but the way the 
first thing I walked in see 

1398
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,960
German engineering, they've 
worked out the way. 

1399
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,479
So the course goes, obviously in
a like a run track. 

1400
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,240
And then they've got to get the 
crowd to watch across that run 

1401
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,760
track while it's continually got
thousands of people running 

1402
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,479
around over to the other side. 
But how do you do that without 

1403
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,359
stopping the runners? 
You put a bridge over the top. 

1404
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,479
Well that is the other option, 
but how do you do it in a 

1405
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,080
cheaper way? 
They literally put in the middle

1406
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,120
a little bit of a like a hold or
gantry. 

1407
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,960
So half the field, half the 
crowd walk halfway across the 

1408
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,920
course while someone stands 
there with an X and philtres all

1409
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,359
the runners down the other side.
You're then standing in the 

1410
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,800
middle. 
They change the course to run. 

1411
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,600
It's like a pedestrian crossing,
but not quite. 

1412
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,240
I know what you mean though. 
Kind of, but I think I saw Gold 

1413
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,600
Coast Marathon doing this and 
I've seen some other races since

1414
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,520
and I but the first time I ever 
saw it was high rocks. 

1415
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,359
So give give them. 
Give them props. 

1416
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,000
Give them props on something. 
Here we won't go down that road,

1417
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,359
but can't. 
On something, Can't believe 

1418
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,000
we're doing it. 
Talking about high rocks, after 

1419
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,240
all the feedback we got, All 
right, very good. 

1420
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,359
There it is. 
Get out there and enjoy your 

1421
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,920
running this weekend. 
Remember, make sure if you've 

1422
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,880
got a recommended run, if you've
got a run in your city, town, 

1423
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,080
wherever you are that you would 
recommend, send it through. 

1424
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,400
We might share some of those as 
we keep going and otherwise 

1425
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,360
we'll see you next week. 
And if you haven't subscribed 

1426
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,680
yet, subscribe. 
Subscribe. 

1427
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:06,120
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