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In the beginning, episode 28 and
Courtney, Mark this one down. 

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If you're listening to this 
right now, this might be the 

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most significant episode in the 
history of the podcast so far in

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its short history because we are
starting today with a very big 

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announcement, a special 
announcement. 

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We've been hinting at it for 
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We were working on something. 
We had things in the pipeline. 

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We didn't want to say anything 
until it was locked away and we 

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were organised. 
We can announce today that we 

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are beginning a new series. 
We are. 

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Called in the beginning, runs 
Gold Coast Marathon. 

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Just so you know where we're 
going. 

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We are, we are for the next 12 
weeks, starting on Wednesday, we

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are going to be doubling the fun
for the In the Beginning family 

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and we will be dropping every 
Wednesday. 

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A special In the Beginning Runs 
Gold Coast podcast episode all 

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about getting ready for this 
year's Gold Coast Marathon. 

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Yep. 
So we'll be going through all 

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the training. 
It's about the audience. 

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Yep. 
So we're hopefully, you know, 

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it's really targeted also at, 
you know, figured about me and 

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this one. 
Yeah, it's all targeted at those

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first time runners and those 
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runners. 
But we won't get ahead of 

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ourselves and let you know. 
Should we let the audience know 

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who we got on board? 
Well, we have because you and I,

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we love chatting running. 
One of the things I love about 

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you is despite your success and 
your elite level capabilities as

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a runner, you refuse to tell 
people how to train. 

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You refuse to tell people who 
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This is we see this everywhere 
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Instagram influence, all this 
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All these people telling you how
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goals with no knowledge of you 
as an individual and in some 

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cases with no expertise to 
actually tell you any of this 

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stuff. 
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your rights to actually offer 
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right? 
You could, but you you choose 

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not to. 
So we so we found someone so. 

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You have gone out and got. 
Should we just say let's just 

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say who it is? 
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It is the best ever distance 
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Benita Willis is officially 
coaching me for the Gold Coast 

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Marathon, and we'll be. 
We'll be doing it live. 

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He's going to be in, in, in here
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going through your week to week.
And if you don't know who Bonita

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Willis is, if you are a new 
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of Bonita Willis, the greatest 
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history. 4 Olympics, 2 
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Commonwealth Games but. 
The big one, the only, only 

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Caucasian Did we say the other? 
She's the. 

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Last non African. 
That's correct. 

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Yeah, to win a world cross 
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And the only ever Australian and
the. 

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Only ever Australian, in 2004 
she triumphed at the world Cross

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country championships in 
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Only non African. 
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then has won a world 
championship, which is an 

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incredible accolade when you 
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We're talking 20 years on and 
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have done this and he's still. 
Second all time Australian and 

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this thing held the world. 
So held the marathon. 

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Australian world record. 
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runner, then she was at 2 
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then she went to Olympics as a 
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She's still got the second 
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Time for an Aussie female. 
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about running is not worth 
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She is now. 
She's now a run coach. 

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Race up, lunning, lace up. 
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and she is. 
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her to take on me for this. 
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the first episode with Beneda. 
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coaching and before she takes 
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telling me what to do for the 
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Beneda as a runner. 
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And her history? 
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The story she it is, even if 
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you've been a runner for ages, 
you love following it as a as an

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elite sport or you've never 
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The stories Benita tells us in 
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Wednesday, it's such a great 
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For those who like old school, 
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It's such a great listen, the 
stories about winning that world

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championship, cross country 
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Highway. 
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Yeah, Wednesday morning. 
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Wednesday this first episode 
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Wednesday after that you are 
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episode of In the Beginning Runs
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And if you've got your 12 week 
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way to follow along. 
Your highs, your lows, your UPS,

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your downs. 
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your marathon training programme
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Send them in. 
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fun. 
Got the best in the business to 

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answer. 
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this. 
I cannot wait for it. 

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Let's go back to in the 
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and to that point, these the 
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as normal. 
No change to that. 

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You still get your your Saturday
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100% right. 
But we've got today as you're 

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hearing this today on Saturday, 
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So before we get to Gold Coast 
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another little run, little run, 
little steep run, I'd say in the

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Solomon Golden Trail, Kanani. 
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today and we're gonna have a 
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So it's gonna be a triple treat.
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Gonna be a triple treat. 
Please, please. 

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For those of you who've been 
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getting what you're asked for. 
If you find that one a week is a

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perfect amount, we apologise, be
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But yeah, we've got we're 
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race is on Saturday and then on 
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getting the chance to talk about
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also talk to a few of the 
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it as well. 
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who is Pete from Salomon. 
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Yeah, Jeez, I have. 
I beat him. 

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But I'm like, I'm looking 
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into this not really knowing 
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So I can't wait to chat to you 
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like. 
It's 25K I've. 

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Got some questions but like we 
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Well, like the website said, 
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like an average 4 hour time out 
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Is that what it says I. 
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said when you're reading the 
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Oh, geez, all right, I've got I 
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I want to talk to you a bit 
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And I don't want to get all airy
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because we know you've you've 
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your the way you structured 
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that. 
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brain about what's going on 
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this. 
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later. 
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bit later on. 
We were looking to lock down a a

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guest to talk to Mr Logan 
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disappear on the other side of 
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Yeah, like, like I do sometimes,
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athletes. 
One day you're here, One day 

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you're gone. 
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him. 100% I'm very interested in
that story of how he how he ran 

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the marathon so well as a as AB 
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Now you know what, let's stay 
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Now let me talk to you about 
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Right now I've got 26K run with 
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Honestly, in my head, I'm 
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I'm anxious about this. 
How do you, how did you over the

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course of your career and still 
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you're physically prepared? 
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racing? 
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racing professionally, I did, 
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As much as this pains me to say,
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visual visualisation and not 
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You know, like when, when it's 
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whole livelihood stems on a 
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race in your head over and over 
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And different scenarios play out
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to play out. 
You probably then get a bit, you

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know, nervous and stressed if 
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And this I was talking 
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So there was a lot of different 
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the same with running. 
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different variables can happen. 
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road running offers all those 
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keep up up up the first hill? 
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I'm, I'm on my own and I can't 
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How do I respond? 
Do I run overrun myself early to

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stay with them? 
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kind of just run my own pace? 
All of these things go with your

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head, but I always used to deal 
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more about like I'd just be 
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race and how ought to react to 
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in the race if they happened. 
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game in that respect. 
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So you have thought through any 
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might pan out and how you'll 
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those ways. 
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OK, Did I always react that way?
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thought about that. 
Because there's nothing worse 

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than, you know, being in 
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not suddenly being hit with a 
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decisions while you're tired. 
You're, you know, at that stage,

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you're probably thinking about 
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It's always nice to know that 
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certain scenarios in your head. 
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And that's from a competitive 
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But I think you can also look at
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to, you know, I want to achieve 
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because I always had this saying
that and someone else gave it to

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me. 
So I want to take full credit 

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for it. 
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the start of a race. 
Like what, what, what would you 

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give me advice to start a race? 
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out and you feel like you're 
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If you feel out or feel like 
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pace, you're probably still 
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And if you run out for that 
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and comfortable thinking I'm not
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you know what, you're probably 
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it's gonna catch up with you 
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Course, give this, give that to 
me again, clean because already 

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in my head I'm seeing I'm seeing
the real for this episode, for 

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the Instagram page. 
So Courtney Atkinson's race 

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start line advice. 
If you're running off the start 

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line and you feel like you're 
running too quick, you're 100% 

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already. 
If you run off the start line 

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and you feel like you're running
the correct pace, you're still 

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probably running too hard. 
If you're on off thinking hey 

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this is too easy, I reckon 
you're at the correct pace 

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because one thing is for sure, 
in distance running it's going 

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to eventually catch up with you.
I love that. 

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I love that and that for me, 
someone heading into karate this

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weekend who has every intention 
of walking up that hill at the 

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and you're. 
Going to hit a hill very soon. 

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And the thing with hills is, you
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around hills and trail running, 
especially even the top guys 

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walk power hike, There's a, 
there's a, there's a certain 

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elevation or a certain like 
steepness to a hill gradient 

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that it's actually more 
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OK. 
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take most people to run up that 
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the like the speed you're going 
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You'll often hear it as power 
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was out the front of a trail 
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like a six foot track race and 
I've won in the past, you know, 

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43 K, what is it? 
3 1/2 hour run, there'll be 

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is just too hard. 
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you know, have a little bit of a
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steepness of a hill thinking, 
oh, someone's going to catch me.

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and that's always the key with 
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if you're hurting someone at the
same standard as you is probably

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going through the same scenario.
It's not like someone is going 

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to be running up like they're 
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out at ya. 
Everyone's in the same 

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situation. 
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reassuring to me in trail races 
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I'm feeling like this, the 
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me are feeling like this. 
So if I can tough it out a 

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little bit more, I'm all good, 
OK. 

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As you've been and I love, I'm 
loving hearing this. 

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And I can guarantee there's 
probably people out there who 

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are listening who might even be 
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the very least tackling a hill. 
Quick Google Trail runner Mag. 

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There's a study, a 2016 study in
the Journal of Applied 

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Physiology. 
Well, some science. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, Bit of science for you 

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here because I don't normally 
bring the science chat. 

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Here we go. 
The authors of this study sought

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to find the grade when walking 
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running. 
So you're going to tell me this 

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obviously or tell all of us this
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Taking a page from the spinal 
movie Spinal Tap, they cranked a

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specially designed treadmill up 
to 11, in this case, allowing it

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to reach 40°, while most 
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The study found that on incline 
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athletes can reduce their energy
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than running. 
So. 15% so that's interesting. 

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You can take your iPhone with 
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calculator on it, pop it on the 
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while the. 
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athletes. 
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grade for walking decreases as 
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and muscles fatigue. 
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most treadmills will take you up
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So basically if anyone wants to 
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treadmill, take it to a Max 
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walk instead of run. 
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Just argue you go by feel like 
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run up a gradient and you're 
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this is hard. 
This is way harder than me 

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running hard on the flat land. 
Like I'm going harder than I 

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couldn't possibly hold going 
flat just to start to power hike

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through that section until it 
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reduces enough that you can run 
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And I guarantee you if you're 
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going to pick up so many places 
and so much more speed than 

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putting yourself into the red 
line going up those hills. 

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I've. 
Just now taken that number from 

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Trail Runner Mag and looked at 
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Wellington. 
OK, sadly it's not 15° at any 

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point. 
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Wellington is 6.6. 
OK, so I expect no walking, 

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Liam. 
That's fine. 

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You can. 
Expect whatever you want, 

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Courtney. 
I'll tell you what I'll be doing

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is walking. 
Can we just stay with mindset 

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during a race for a moment? 
Because I love that start line 

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stuff you've just given me and 
everybody else. 

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What about when things go wrong?
What about in the middle of a 

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trail run or a marathon or 
whatever and you realise this 

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has all fallen? 
Apart, I think you just gotta 

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learn to reset and when I say 
reset, these are long races from

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and for most because we're 
talking for a wide variety of 

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runners here for most people, 
these runs are all really long 

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and that's the nature of 
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You go through your ups and 
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in a, you know, a hard 10 
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you'll still go through phases 
where it's a bit harder and then

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you come better again. 
And you know, this is natural. 

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I think that's the the key to 
know it's natural for everyone 

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from the elite right through 
that you're going to go through 

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bad periods. 
And if you've got your head in 

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the game and you can reset, you 
can also come back out of that 

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and go through good periods, if 
not actually, you know, 

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recapture yourself and run on 
better than you were. 

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That happens in racing and that 
happens in running, and that 

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happens definitely in distance 
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So my 1 is always like, you 
know, accept whatever's going on

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and then reset. 
Work out a way that you can 

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reset yourself. 
Whether that's. 

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So another one I always had and 
again, it was given to me. 

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You know, I got all this advice 
over the years given to me. 

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Some things work, some things 
don't. 

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Another one that always worked 
for me was when I'm overthinking

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it, like it's getting too hard, 
just go back to the basics of 

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counting your steps. 
So don't think how far you know,

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I haven't got another 20 K of 
this pain to go or whatever. 

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Just start counting your steps 
on each leg. 

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So 10, do the best 10 steps you 
can do on your right leg. 

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Do the best 10 steps you can do 
on your left leg. 

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All of a sudden what happens is 
you're concentrating on, you 

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know, some it's like county 
sheep going to sleep. 

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You're concentrating on 
something that isn't really a 

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factor into your running. 
You're trying to do it the best 

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possible and that's what you're 
focused on. 

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But what happens is you do 20 
steps, and suddenly you're 40 

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steps down the road, then you're
60. 

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And then you've forgotten about 
what you were actually, you 

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know, trying to work out. 
But at the same time, you've 

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actually focused on just form. 
And the form often is what falls

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apart when you get really tight 
and your legs are stuffed. 

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This is just you. 
Starting to talk about counting 

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your steps has prompted 
something in my mind. 

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Jackie Bell, who some people 
might know, some people might 

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not know. 
I think she's the youngest ever.

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Well, she's certainly the 
youngest ever Australian to have

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done it. 
She might be one of the youngest

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ever people to have run an ultra
marathon on every continent. 

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Yeah, right. 
She does a lot of long, lot of 

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days day races. 
Recently she raced in Tanzania 

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and I just wanted to can I 
quickly read out this Instagram 

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post of Jackie's. 
I'm a big fan of Jackie. 

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I love her content. 
I love the way she talks about 

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her running. 
She was doing a race in 

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Tanzania, in Africa and she put 
this post up. 

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She said big days last week, 
equal parts unreal and brutal. 

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80% of the time I was smiling. 
But this race pushed me. 

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I spent a lot of it solo, seeing
if I could keep pace and stay in

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the second place for females 
overall. 

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That voice kept creeping in. 
Slow down, have a walk on the 

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flats. 
I gave in twice briefly, then 

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snapped out of it. 
Walking just meant even more 

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time out there. 
I'd tell myself, come on, legs, 

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just one more step. 
But when my mind wavered, and it

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did, I counted 1234. 
She hit 100, held down a finger 

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and started counting again. 
She made it to 600 once. 

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If she lost count, she'd start 
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It pulled her back, kept the 
present steady running. 

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It's just it's. 
Just taking the focus away from 

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what you're, you know, doing and
putting your like ultra focus on

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something you control and so. 
She was just, she was literally 

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counting and then she'd take 
fingers down as a way of keeping

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track. 
But it's that so is it sounds 

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like from what Jackie said there
and what you were, it's that 

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mine reset and distraction 
almost from I guess what you're 

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actually feeling, yeah. 
And that's it. 

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But it even can be used as a 
performance boost at some stage.

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So like, if you were, it might 
be necessarily you're going 

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through like a absolute, you 
know, disaster period. 

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Or you mean pain? 
It might be just like, I need 

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to, I want to, I want to try and
catch that guy or, or girl 

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that's 100 metres up the track 
from me. 

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Yeah, a good way to do it is 
again, to concentrate on your 

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form in distant running, because
generally when your form picks 

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up, your hips pick up, 
everything comes good, you're 

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running more efficient, you're 
running more efficient and then 

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you can peg that back. 
So you might go. 

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Well, until I until I catch that
person 100 metres down the 

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track, I'm just going to count 
10 steps on one leg, 10 steps on

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the other tends to be the other.
It's amazing what, you know, 

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just takes this is and like, I'm
not. 

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That's why I said at the 
beginning I didn't really think 

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I'd be saying this type of thing
because these are things that 

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naturally occurred to me. 
I never put them into the, you 

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know, the mental space. 
Yeah, I just put them into, 

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that's how I do things. 
Better space deal. 

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With it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think but to that from the

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average person's perspective, I 
think sometimes we can get with 

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all the noise that can be out 
there, you can get caught up in 

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thinking, well, I have to 
visually it's a bit like the 

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journaling stuff we talked 
about. 

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If you brand it or think of it 
or put it under a heading of. 

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Mental exercise, blah blah. 
Some people can just go, uh, I 

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don't know. 
Yeah, that's not who I am. 

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Which is what? 
I'd do I'd as soon as someone 

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says, as soon as someone 
mentions some type of mental 

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yeah, clinic selling me 
something in that space, mental 

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health space, I am out. 
You switch. 

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Off. 
I'm off that post or I'm out the

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door quicker than you say Boo. 
If someone gives me a, a way I 

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can perform better. 
And it's just keep it simple. 

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And this is something that might
have a cue. 

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We, we talked about cues before.
Yeah, here's a cue. 

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You know, whether it's physical 
man or whatever, this is going 

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to help me better then oh, 
listen, 100% try it doesn't 

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work. 
Throw it out. 

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It works. 
For you. 

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Yeah. 
I love it. 

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I love it. 
Can we talk about. 

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You've given me actually some. 
Speaking of cues, I'm going to 

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use a lot of those in this race.
Oh, the steps one's amazing. 

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Yeah, I can. 
Like, I'm going to use it. 

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It's so easy. 
And it's so useful I'm looking. 

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Forward I'm now I'm really 
excited about when I get to try 

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it today in the race quickly 
Salomon amazing. 

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Thank you to Pete and the crew 
at Salomon for kicking me out 

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because come to the party. 
I tried it on fun little reel up

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on the Instagram page I did 
getting it all on. 

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I'm really excited. 
Do I need some warmer stuff? 

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Well, how? 
Cold. 

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Is this going to get? 
Well, it is. 

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How do you say that Liam, 
because even though I'm, I can't

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run with you, I looked, I 
thought what do I need to take 

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down as we go down there and 
Mount Wellington? 

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So like it is quite what do we 
say the elevation at the top was

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1000 metres or someone correct 
us on that. 

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It's on Saturday, going to be 6°
at the top there mate. 

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It's definitely not Queensland 
Weather 6. 

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Degrees. 
You know what? 

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Though 6° when you're running, 
unless there's a massive wind 

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chill, which obviously isn't 
gonna be windy. 

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On that day, I can't say if 
it's. 

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Windy 6 can be really cold up in
the mountains. 

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If it isn't when you're running 
and you've just sweated your, 

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you know, ass off going all the 
way up there, you ain't even. 

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It's like 6° is perfect running.
It's really nice, but up there 

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is gonna be a Max of 11/6 so it 
doesn't look too bad. 

449
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,920
I see the next day on Sunday 
drops to one up there. 

450
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,720
Now that would be probably a 
different story. 

451
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,720
One especially for. 
Like it's different if you live 

452
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,840
down there and that's what you, 
you know, you're being the 

453
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,920
environment you're being exposed
to every day. 

454
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,000
But when we're up here in 
Queensland, you know what it's 

455
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,920
like when it drops to 11 in 
winter. 

456
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,440
We're we're in our clubs 26. 
Degrees outside today, it's a 

457
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,480
bit fresh. 
Yeah, exactly. 

458
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,760
Yeah. 
Top of Mount Wellington's at 

459
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,880
12171 metres. 
OK, so. 

460
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,720
That makes sense. 
Yeah. 

461
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,320
So 6° up there, down, down low. 
I'm seeing Hobart's gonna be, 

462
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,360
what are we looking at, 12 to 
21? 

463
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,400
So it'll be good. 
It'll be good running conditions

464
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,240
for us, yeah, might even be too 
hot for the Southerners. 

465
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,080
Do I need? 
To bust out my Do I need to make

466
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,720
a return to the long fluoro 
socks? 

467
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,960
Do my knee socks need to come 
back? 

468
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,400
No. 
No, we don't. 

469
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,040
We're not already mixing Salomon
with fluoro knee socks. 

470
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,480
You're just like talking. 
How nice. 

471
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,200
Those new Genesis, those SLAB 
Genesis you've got. 

472
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,760
Amazing. 
Shoes we don't wreck. 

473
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,480
Them with some fluoro. 
But you reckon no need for like 

474
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,760
thermals or anything? 
No SO. 

475
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,520
They'll be compulsory gear 
you've got to take. 

476
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,200
So you've got the jacket, I've 
got the jacket, got the jacket. 

477
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,440
Yep. 
So pretty much like a. 

478
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,680
Feels a bit late to be checking 
compulsory. 

479
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,200
I would say, and I haven't 
checked it yet, I'd say these 

480
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,280
types of runs you're going to 
do, they'll need you to take a 

481
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,280
space blanket. 
So if you've got in that 

482
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,480
specific, I've got one of those,
you know, if you you rolled your

483
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560
ankle or something, you couldn't
move for a while and you've got 

484
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,520
to sit down in six degrees and 
you're sweating. 

485
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,480
It's always good to have that. 
You'll have the same sealed wear

486
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,240
the jacket. 
Yes, I've. 

487
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,160
Got one of those, thank you. 
Salman OK, so that's all sorted.

488
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,320
And in this run, I would say 
unless they consider 6° at the 

489
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,920
top, which I don't think they 
will, they may throw in thermals

490
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,000
and things like that, which 
we're gonna sort you out with 

491
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,920
just in case. 
But look at six degrees. 

492
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240
I can't see them saying you need
thermals jumped. 

493
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,680
On the mandatory stuff I need to
take a rubbish bag, so anyone? 

494
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,320
Who doesn't run trail races? 
This is the, this is the extra 

495
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,880
things you do besides like 
compared to running a road 

496
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
marathon because you're out 
there on the trails on your own,

497
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760
you're often facing different 
conditions, the chance of 

498
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120
getting, you know, injured and 
cars can't get you and all that 

499
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,440
type of thing. 
There's always compulsory gear 

500
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,400
you got to take depending on the
run and depending on the weather

501
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,560
dictates how big that compulsory
list needs to be. 

502
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,320
So like if you do something like
coast to coast, you need 

503
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,760
multiple, you need wet weather 
pants, a wet weather jacket, 

504
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,160
multiple thermals, thermal 
socks, thermal gloves, thermal 

505
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,480
beanie. 
By the time you start putting 

506
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,560
that in a pack, it becomes like 
you're running with a backpack. 

507
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Like a serious backpack. 
I have to take a snake. 

508
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,320
Bandit, but for all the road 
runners. 

509
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,880
Who give, you know, look at the 
trail runners with packs on. 

510
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,880
Not the ones running down the 
beach, but, you know, out on the

511
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,400
trails with packs on. 
That's the reason why packs 

512
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,520
exist. 
You've got to carry your own 

513
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,360
gear and your own nutrition and 
your own fluid. 

514
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,120
Yeah. 
Anyway, mandatory gear. 

515
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,240
The checklist doesn't look too 
bad, should be able to tick it 

516
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,720
off. 
Done. 

517
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960
This is going to be fun. 
It's going to be fun and. 

518
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,640
We will. 
We'll be able to. 

519
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760
We'll recap all that. 
Ideally we'll get it out either 

520
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,880
Sunday night or Monday morning. 
Yeah, next week. 

521
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,800
You are in for a treat because 
we got some, we got some 

522
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,240
seriously good stuff coming your
way on the podcast feed. 

523
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,720
And I would say if you're a 
listener to this and you're 

524
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,520
enjoying the Saturday apps, now 
is the time to bring in your 

525
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480
running friends who might be 
tackling marathons. 

526
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,880
Now is the time to get on board 
because this stuff we start 

527
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800
dropping from Wednesday with 
Benita Willis. 

528
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,200
It's it's our usual style, it's 
Courtney and I doing our style, 

529
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480
but we're bringing some serious 
running coaching credibility 

530
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,560
here. 
So get on board now. 

531
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,400
Now's the time all. 
Right. 

532
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,200
Let's move on, Liam. 
Hey, have you? 

533
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,280
Seen the stuff about Olympics is
on the it's on the news at the 

534
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,040
moment. 
I've got a few things I want to 

535
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280
chat about First. 
We've got croc. 

536
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,000
They they're put in the rowing 
up in Rocky, they reckon 

537
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,440
Rockhampton. 
I mean, it's a it's a bit of a 

538
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,280
stretch with Crocs on the river.
I think that's what spotted that

539
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,920
guy got taken the notion that 
it's. 

540
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,160
Taken by the police the other 
day. 

541
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,560
But I mean the notion. 
What's the definition of 

542
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,200
infested? 
Because this the fact that it 

543
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,760
keeps being referred referred to
as the croc infested Fitzroy 

544
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,120
River. 
If they could have picked. 

545
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,360
Any news story that the 
international media were going 

546
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,000
to pick up on? 
Yeah, even the fact there is a 

547
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,280
croc every so often. 
Yeah, down the river. 

548
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,560
The definition of. 
Infested is that that is that of

549
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760
insects or animals is that they 
are present. 

550
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480
So yeah, look, they're by that 
measure it is there's a 

551
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
crocodile there's there have 
been and there probably are some

552
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,800
crocodiles in that river at some
point. 

553
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,320
I would love to get. 
Into more of like someone who is

554
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,360
across these decisions better 
because there's a few in there 

555
00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,960
around sports and what they've 
announced. 

556
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,320
I've just gone. 
Wow, that's Oh well, tell me. 

557
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,200
What do you think about them? 
Because, OK, the Crocs, the IT 

558
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,360
going up to Rockhampton. 
You just think that's a short 

559
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,480
sighted look. 
I understand. 

560
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,800
I. 
Understand the the soccer and 

561
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,160
and the different like net, like
sports that have to have a lot 

562
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,240
of venues. 
Yes, that's amazing. 

563
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Like under Cairns Townsville, 
supporting the regionalization 

564
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,480
of it. 
But if you're coming to an 

565
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,400
Olympic Games and you're racing 
and you're in the Olympics, you 

566
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760
want to be at the site. 
Because I've been in this 

567
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,920
situation of I've raced Beijing 
Olympics where I was literally 

568
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,000
an hour and a half out of the 
city and it just feels like 

569
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,680
you're in another event. 
It really does compared to 

570
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,520
London. 
And I was racing in Central Hyde

571
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,400
Park with a half million people 
watching. 

572
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,320
Suddenly you're in an Olympic 
Games. 

573
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,640
So I want to see, it's a 
Brisbane Olympics. 

574
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,280
I want to see majority of those 
sports in close proximity to the

575
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,800
city where they get crowds and 
you feel like you're part of the

576
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Olympics. 
That's me as an Olympian 

577
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760
talking, and that's a great. 
Perspective because most people 

578
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,800
don't want to be up in. 
Rocky, I can tell you right now 

579
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520
and that's not And look. 
And that's not against. 

580
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,080
Rockhampton. 
That's just like. 

581
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,160
It's the nature of. 
The Olympic Games we're talking 

582
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,800
about here, this is not an 
everybody gets a prize sort of 

583
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,960
thing. 
This is the Olympics. 

584
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240
I was, I made that joke on the 
radio show the other morning 

585
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,400
when this was announced that, 
you know, you imagine when 

586
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,600
you're Olympians in 20-30 years 
from now when they're telling 

587
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720
their kids or their grandkids or
whatever about the time when 

588
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,920
they're an Olympian and one 
says, yeah, yeah. 

589
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,880
What did you do? 
I rode in Paris. 

590
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,920
Wow. 
Yeah. 

591
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480
Right in the heart of one of the
most romantic, beautiful cities 

592
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,400
in the world. 
What about you? 

593
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Yeah, I rode in London. 
I was right in the. 

594
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,160
What about you? 
Rockhampton. 

595
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,800
Yeah. 
Where's? 

596
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,560
That it's about four hours, 650 
KS north of Brisbane. 

597
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Yeah. 
Where's that? 

598
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Oh mate, like anyway it's it's 
it's interesting the stadium 

599
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080
being proposed for Victoria 
Park. 

600
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Are you for or against Greatest?
The only decision they could 

601
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,320
have made. 
I know there's a cost 

602
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,920
associated. 
It's the Olympics. 

603
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,080
It doesn't come for free. 
We've made the decision to go 

604
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280
and get the games. 
Now we have to do the right 

605
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880
thing by the games and by the 
city and invest some money into 

606
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,640
this new park. 
Gabba gets knocked down also. 

607
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Right decision in my opinion. 
That vicinity is too small to 

608
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,640
ever redevelop. 
You knock that down, you put 

609
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,280
some high rise apartments in 
place, hopefully alleviate some 

610
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760
of the housing crisis problem 
that that Brisbane and all of 

611
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Australia has at the moment. 
You still get that bang for buck

612
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,560
and then you create this new 
precinct at Victoria Park which 

613
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,240
gives Brisbane a new identity 
aside from just the brown snake.

614
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Couldn't agree more. 
And what's? 

615
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,320
More as someone from Adelaide 
who has seen what a football big

616
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,440
stadium can do in proximity to 
the city. 

617
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,960
You revitalise Fortitude Valley,
you revitalise Brisbane CBD, you

618
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,920
give small businesses in there 
locked in crowds and and punters

619
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,160
every time there's a football 
game, a cricket game, a concert,

620
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,480
Yeah, and this guy's. 
Different even the Sydney Park, 

621
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Olympic Park, because even 
Sydney Olympic Park's still at 

622
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,160
hour, like you still got to 
travel. 

623
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,680
This is Roma Street, Roma Street
Station, walkable, you know, at 

624
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Suncorp Stadium, you know, it's 
just adding to this whole area. 

625
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,400
Yes, they're going to lose some 
Parklands, I understand that. 

626
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200
And that's that. 
That's never great in a city. 

627
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,680
You want all the Parklands you 
want, but I think they can 

628
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480
create it with Parklands and 
you're going to get other 

629
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,360
benefits. 
This is going to be the best 

630
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,840
legacy the Brisbane Olympics 
could leave. 

631
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,120
Couldn't agree more. 
CEO hope it happens but. 

632
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Now the one that's the funny 
one. 

633
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,800
It's got nothing to do with 
Brisbane. 

634
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
This is even earlier in 228. 
Did you see the this modern 

635
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,720
pentathlon stuff going on? 
Yep. 

636
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,160
So. 
What? 

637
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520
What modern, modern pentathlon 
events? 

638
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,360
What do we got? 
We've got swimming in a pool. 

639
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,280
They swim. 
Fencing. 

640
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,360
They fence. 
They. 

641
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Run cross country, run cross 
country, run, shoot and they 

642
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
horse ride they used. 
To horse ride, well they exactly

643
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920
they used to horse ride. 
The Olympic Committee. 

644
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Have decided from now on they're
going to throw in a bit of old 

645
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Ninja Warrior obstacle course 
racing. 

646
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Do you think this has gone too 
far? 

647
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Trying to chase the the young 
audience? 

648
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,960
Well, no, it's not. 
Trying to chase the young? 

649
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Well, it probably is. 
It's a little bit to do with. 

650
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,960
The horses it achieves 2 
purposes. 

651
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,480
Really one is there were a lot 
of I think it was the German 

652
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,120
coach or someone punched a 
horse. 

653
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,960
You can't punch. 
Horses right? 

654
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Don't punch horses. 
We are not pro punching horses. 

655
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,880
But. 
So 1 is there's been complaints 

656
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,680
about animal cruelty as part of 
the Olympic Games, all right. 

657
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,960
The other one is this idea of 
trying to attract this younger 

658
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,120
audience. 
Ninja Warrior is not attracting 

659
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040
a younger audience. 
But hang on. 

660
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Yeah, like I can even understand
obstacle course racing, you 

661
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,600
know, high rocks. 
All this stuff's booming. 

662
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,640
It's an idea. 
It's still got a fence. 

663
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,880
It's not like they've just added
a real like Gen Z sport in 

664
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,080
obstacle course racing. 
You've still got to do all the 

665
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880
traditional stuff, I think. 
So they've. 

666
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,280
Taken the most. 
Tradition, traditional event in 

667
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040
the Olympics, which it really is
'cause it is a niche event. 

668
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Yeah, that is, it is a legacy 
event. 

669
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800
I'll go as far as saying that, 
'cause if you look at like, my 

670
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080
sport of triathlon, when I was 
at the Games, it was kind of 

671
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,120
the, in a way, it was the new, 
yeah, new kid on the block. 

672
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,160
New kid on the block. 
For modern pentathlon, it was 

673
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,400
the next, you know, evolution, 
evolution. 

674
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880
But I love the fact they've 
always kept this legacy event. 

675
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,640
And I love the event. 
I love watching it. 

676
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Chloe Esposito big. 
Shout out Australian gold 

677
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
medalists so. 
Now they go around and take the 

678
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560
oldest event and go. 
Let's just shove in there some 

679
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,680
action and and see if it works. 
I think this is just imagine if 

680
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,240
they said. 
To you Courtney, the bike race 

681
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,160
has gotten a bit dangerous in 
triathlon. 

682
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Instead what we want you to sit 
down and play Fortnite. 

683
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800
So we want you to swim 1 1/2 KS 
then play a game of Fortnite. 

684
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,720
Then you can go run your 10K. 
It wouldn't surprise. 

685
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,720
Me that's that's the kind of 
stuff that's the logic they're 

686
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,760
flying. 
They're just throwing stuff up a

687
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,560
wall. 
I hate it shit up against. 

688
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,920
The Wall. 
And hoping it sticks. 

689
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,320
Man I hate it. 
It is. 

690
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:08,720
It's such a it the Olympics to 
me as someone who's never, never

691
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,240
competed, I've always held them 
as. 

692
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,000
This. 
Not antiquated, but. 

693
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,320
It's, it's a, it's a tradition, 
it's a, it's a historical event 

694
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,000
and it's something that 
shouldn't. 

695
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
Be touched. 
In a way, which is why I'm not a

696
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400
huge fan of. 
I love Orissa True, I love the 

697
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,400
successes and I'm actually OK 
with the skateboarding being in.

698
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,200
I hated break dancing. 
So I guess everyone will have 

699
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,920
their line as to what is OK to 
bring into the Olympic Games. 

700
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,240
I don't like cricket going into 
the Olympic Games. 

701
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,240
I think it's going to be there 
as an exhibition sport in Lai 

702
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,080
don't like it. 
I don't think cricket should be 

703
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,000
in the Olympics. 
But this idea that we're going 

704
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,080
to start tinkering with the 
sports themselves, to me it's 

705
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,640
I'm, I'm trying to think of an 
analogy. 

706
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,360
It feels like you're you're 
drawing a moustache on the Mona 

707
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Lisa. 
It feels like you're just it, 

708
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,240
you know, or, or or putting a 
speech bubble out at the moment.

709
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Lisa's mouth with some clever. 
Yeah, look, it's obviously, it's

710
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360
obviously still very. 
Successful and working right and

711
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,040
lots of money involved in the 
Olympics. 

712
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,920
But yeah, I I just don't know 
what what does it look like in 

713
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840
20 years if they continue down 
this route and will it work? 

714
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,600
You just gave me an idea and I'm
going to go on the phone real 

715
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,360
tangent here. 
Let's go because you said 

716
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,840
cricket at the Olympics. 
Yeah. 

717
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,600
Do you think because I mean 
Commonwealth Games is is dying 

718
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,360
it well? 
And I think it's happening. 

719
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,199
I won't say dead. 
But it's it's it's on its. 

720
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,920
Farewell tour it's got its 
challenges right. 

721
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,880
It's. 
On its farewell tour. 

722
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,239
So you talk about cricket then? 
Do you reckon they could? 

723
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,080
You reckon Commonwealth Games 
could work if they just doubled 

724
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,719
down the similar situation but 
doubled down on true only 

725
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Commonwealth game sports? 
If they actually went more 

726
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,040
traditional and went back to 
what are the sports that only 

727
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,120
realistically core Commonwealth 
Games countries really own and 

728
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,320
really play bowls, netball, 
netball, cricket, cricket, Some 

729
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,280
of the core football sports you 
keep swimming and you keep. 

730
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,760
The swimming track and field. 
It's the traditional sports, but

731
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,040
then really played up what only.
Exists. 

732
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,840
At Commonwealth Games, What 
sports truly are more 

733
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,800
Commonwealth countries? 
To your point, yes you could, 

734
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,440
but I guarantee the organising 
committee would then find 

735
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,040
themselves making decisions like
the IOC have of going well. 

736
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,200
But how do we attract the kids? 
Yeah, right. 

737
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,160
How do we make it? 
Relevant so the cricket wouldn't

738
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040
be. 
It'd be T20, you couldn't play 

739
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,840
one day or Test or anything. 
It'd have to be T20, but that's 

740
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,400
fine, it's still come off. 
Games the netball would be the. 

741
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Fast 5 or whatever the shortened
T20 version of netball like this

742
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,240
is my point that it it isn't. 
So I don't think it's so much 

743
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,480
about the sports. 
I think it's about making 

744
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:55,200
reactive decisions to trying to.
Get a younger audience. 

745
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,160
To be interested in what you're 
doing, and I don't. 

746
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Know. 
If that's the right strategy, I 

747
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,360
think you've got to know what 
you are and sell what you are 

748
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,680
and celebrate what you are, not 
try and change what you are to 

749
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,000
appeal to. 
You know, people who I don't 

750
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,360
care, I. 
Got told a few days ago, maybe 

751
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,680
you just got to let go. 
And I said I don't want to. 

752
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,120
I like. 
I like, I like, I like sport the

753
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,680
way it was. 
Did you see I was watching? 

754
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,920
Oh, you said you hadn't seen it 
yet, but I was watching Gal 

755
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Gout's. 
Did his coach die? 

756
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,760
No, I haven't watched this. 
He is amazing. 

757
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,320
Old school. 
They've got her on there and 

758
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,640
literally as she's walked in, 
she's she's playing out of the 

759
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,800
cameras a bit. 
But she said something along the

760
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,040
lines of I make all of my 
athletes at the school sign an 

761
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,320
agreement and their parents and 
has certain things in that 

762
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
agreement and they've got to 
fulfil that agreements on them. 

763
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,640
So literally she's making sure 
that hey, this is a two way 

764
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,880
street. 
If I'm going to commit to you, 

765
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,760
you're going to commit to me. 
And these are the things I 

766
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,480
expect. 
She is a real hard line. 

767
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,160
Old school coach. 
Die Shepherd. 

768
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Die Shepherd. 
Yeah, kid, I told you like on 

769
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,040
the show. 
I told you again, no hat, no 

770
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
training. 
Like really. 

771
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Also 22 years that Ipswich 
Grammar. 

772
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Awesome. 
And then obviously now you know,

773
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,320
he's put in the limelight. 
I she's worth watching. 

774
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,160
Worth watching, but I. 
Can't wait to see as part of 

775
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040
this whole what what's going on 
in in the future of this. 

776
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,840
I can't actually wait. 
I want to see more of her. 

777
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:36,320
Do you think she's a new? 
I think it's what I think my 

778
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,240
personal opinion. 
I would I'd love to see more 

779
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,920
coaches like that, you know, 
just discipline. 

780
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,920
But it's like hard love. 
So it's Dean Boxall. 

781
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,760
Style stuff? 
I think no. 

782
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,760
No, no, I think without the 
carry on, but not that hard 

783
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,480
love. 
OK, it's it's more nurturing 

784
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,200
hard love. 
Interesting. 

785
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,320
Yep. 
I think there's. 

786
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Yeah, we'll talk about it more 
in the future as we see more of 

787
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,560
her, but I think she's going to 
be actually the big story that 

788
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
comes. 
She will be a Dean Boxall style 

789
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,720
coach where like we'll be just 
as interest, just as interested 

790
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,280
in her as in die as we will. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

791
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,720
That's. 
A situation that's exciting to 

792
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,240
hear quickly. 
You've made, you've put 

793
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,360
something in my brain there. 
Have you seen the story that's 

794
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,760
going around the football world 
at the moment with Simon 

795
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,000
Goodwin? 
No interested to get your take 

796
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,640
on this. 
So Simon Goodwin, who's the 

797
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,480
coach of the Melbourne Demons 
and sorry to drift off into AFL 

798
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,920
world. 
For those people that might not 

799
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,120
be interested, this is not about
the sport specifically, it's 

800
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,080
about the coach athlete 
relationship. 

801
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Last weekend the Demons got 
flogged. 

802
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,040
They got really badly beaten by 
North Melbourne at a game that 

803
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,440
they win in as favourites. 
They lose off the back. 

804
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Of it Max. 
Gorn. 

805
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Who's their captain and who is? 
I don't know how many times he's

806
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,200
been an All Australian, but he's
been the best ruckman in the 

807
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,360
comp for the last few decade. 
Gets beaten one on one in his 

808
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,240
battle against Tristan Cherry, 
the Kangaroo's ruckman. 

809
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,160
Quite badly, obviously. 
Goody. 

810
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,440
Gets asked about in the press 
conference and he comes out and 

811
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,640
basically defends his captain 
and said yeah he got beat blah 

812
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,720
blah blah blah and then. 
Offered up the information. 

813
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,320
That there's some personal stuff
going on in Max's life, which is

814
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,680
part of the reason that maybe 
he's underperformed today, right

815
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,440
now, That. 
Hadn't been public knowledge. 

816
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,880
Previously, but all of a sudden 
what that does is it's, you 

817
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,040
know, it's a rag to the 
bloodhounds of the bull. 

818
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,840
All the media want to go to Max.
Want to know what's going on in 

819
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Max's? 
Personal life Max, to his 

820
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,200
credit, fronted up on his media 
commitments on Triple M, the 

821
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,080
company I work for on the 
breakfast show and talked about 

822
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,160
it and talked about it really 
well. 

823
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,440
But it's raised the conversation
about did Goody do the right 

824
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,520
thing in offering up that 
information? 

825
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,080
And he's come out and I think he
said I probably would have 

826
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,480
handled it differently in 
hindsight. 

827
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,120
But it's that idea what you 
mentioned about dying gout gout 

828
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,600
of that nurturing coach athlete 
relationship. 

829
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,440
And this is a because I asked 
Damien Hardwick that the Gold 

830
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Coast Sun's about and he said 
I've got no doubt what good he 

831
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,640
did came from a place of care. 
For his athlete and friend, 

832
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,280
trying to protect him. 
Trying to protect. 

833
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,000
Him, but inadvertedly it 
actually piled the pressure open

834
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,040
the door. 
Yeah, so. 

835
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,400
And interestingly, today, if 
you're listening to this on 

836
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,400
Saturday, Melbourne are playing 
Gold Ghosts. 

837
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,000
So it'll be really interesting 
to see how Jared Witsy, you 

838
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,640
know, Witsy goes against Max 
Gorn. 

839
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Because I would imagine that 
regardless of what Max Gorn has 

840
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,520
got going on, and I don't 
actually know, he'll be looking 

841
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,120
to put in a very big dominant 
performance against Jared Wits 

842
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,200
and Sons. 
Yeah, Witsy. 

843
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Oh mate, I'm an I'm an unashamed
QLD supporter so hard not to be 

844
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,920
a fan of Big Witty yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

845
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,880
All right, let's move on. 
What do? 

846
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,880
We got next. 
Mate, I've got last week. 

847
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,800
Remember we were talking about, 
I think, that we finished our 

848
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,240
last episode about Ron 
etiquette. 

849
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Yes, funny enough. 
And this. 

850
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Is complete coincidence Matt 
Hauser So Australia, Currently 

851
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Australia's best Olympic male 
triathlete. 

852
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,280
He has just starred or starred's
probably a overstatement of 

853
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,440
being on Instagram, but he's 
attempted acting. 

854
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,200
He's attempted. 
Acting in. 

855
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,560
In in this street smart 
commercial. 

856
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Listen to this well, 
Queenslanders. 

857
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000
It's a new. 
Year, which means new goals lots

858
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,240
of people have health and 
fitness on their mind for 2025, 

859
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,800
which we love whether you're. 
Going for 1/2 marathon. 

860
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,240
Or your local fun run. 
Let's make sure we get from the 

861
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,200
start line to the cafe as safe 
as possible. 

862
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Even if you're a local legend 
and know the loop like you're 

863
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,480
back of your hand, make sure you
keep your wits about you. 

864
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Jeez, that was close. 
Better switch sides when running

865
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,080
in a group. 
Communication is key. 

866
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,560
Make sure you look out for each 
other. 

867
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Use hand signals and your 
voices. 

868
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,640
Stay safe out there. 
Let's go get a coffee. 

869
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,280
Have you? 
Have you ever hand? 

870
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Signalled running. 
We have made it. 

871
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,680
Runners, we have made it. 
This is it. 

872
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,480
That that's that's government. 
Investments to tell people how 

873
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,400
to run. 
I love in a group on the right. 

874
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,480
I kind of feel for Matt, but I 
also understand the exact 

875
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,480
situation he's in where 
someone's offered him some cash.

876
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440
Someone's offered you cash and a
script. 

877
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,160
And it's a government script. 
It's hilarious, but it's also. 

878
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,360
Good that they're investing. 
I think he's done a great job of

879
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,080
presenting. 
That like I actually think well 

880
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,120
done Matt Howser that is that 
performance is great and I'm not

881
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,160
taking the piss. 
I actually think he's done a 

882
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,160
really good job of that. 
This is have you ever? 

883
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,400
Hand signalled. 
Running No. 

884
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Oh, sorry, I. 
Lied. 

885
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,280
No, no, no. 
I hand signal most mornings if 

886
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,520
we run, if I'm out running with 
Azi's crew at Main Beach, we're 

887
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,400
on the trails and there's 
something in the middle, like if

888
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,400
there's a hole I pointed out 
like you're on a. 

889
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Bike. 
I do a little point, absolutely.

890
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Depending on what side it is, 
we'll do a little point within 

891
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160
the group on the trails. 
Absolutely. 

892
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,640
I've never hand signalled like 
to turn a corner. 

893
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,160
Corner. 
Who's that's not that's not 

894
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,840
seriously in the video, is it? 
He doesn't hand signal too. 

895
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Yes, that was what it. 
Is make sure you're hand signal.

896
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,320
So like if you're running 
around, I think he's running in 

897
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,920
the back streets of Miami or 
somewhere and they're on the 

898
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,040
road and as a like you're a 
bike, if you're going to go 

899
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,000
around the corner, put your hand
out. 

900
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,880
It's Matt Hauser might run at a 
pace that. 

901
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Requires hand signalling. 
I don't right And no I. 

902
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Just after last week I was 
talking about etiquette that 

903
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,840
just popped up in my feed and I 
was like oh but this is brand 

904
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,480
new. 
This has only. 

905
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,240
Just come out so clearly. 
This is a it's part of the what 

906
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,400
is it, The Street Smart, Street 
Smart campaign. 

907
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,360
Which it's a road safety camper.
Well, the first thing I said to 

908
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,000
my wife was. 
Can you believe they're spending

909
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,960
money on trying to teach people 
running etiquette and they 

910
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,720
haven't even bothered to do the 
electric bikes and scooters yet?

911
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,920
Yeah, yeah, I was wrong. 
Because I went to the web. 

912
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,720
Page and they actually do do 
this, I just haven't seen it. 

913
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,080
There's a whole hasn't reached 
me. 

914
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,320
There's a whole heap of. 
Other parts of this campaign, 

915
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,720
but at all. 
Yeah, this is. 

916
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,520
This is a moment. 
Mark this down as the moment we 

917
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,920
talked about you know, run clubs
were a moment that government is

918
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,240
now providing guidance, safety 
videos on how to run in the 

919
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,400
streets safely when you're 
training for these marathons 

920
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,360
this. 
Is this is another moment? 

921
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,320
It's another moment. 
Well, remember the time before 

922
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,120
they used to do the I remember 
when I'd go running and they 

923
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,280
didn't tell you how to run 
around the streets. 

924
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,960
Anyway, this is over. 
This this is. 

925
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,280
Overreach. 
This is overkill, to be clear. 

926
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,400
This is, hey, unless, unless 
Queensland state Government, you

927
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
want to throw some of that sweet
Matt, how's the cash away? 

928
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,760
And we'll do the videos for you.
That's true. 

929
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,720
I'm just jealous. 
No, I do. 

930
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,480
If that, if that one came across
my desk, I reckon I would. 

931
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,800
I I what there were. 
You know when people ask you, 

932
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,840
what's the price? 
Although hey, if you guys want a

933
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,040
trail. 
Safety running video. 

934
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,160
I know, I know a guy. 
A trail's fine. 

935
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,600
Trail's fine, yeah. 
Well, you now you're the you're 

936
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,200
the head of the head of the 
trail society. 

937
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,160
Next, next one I've got going. 
Have a listen to this one. 

938
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,120
What's your name? 
My. 

939
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Name is Dante and. 
What are you? 

940
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,560
About to do in a couple of 
months. 

941
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,280
I'm about to run 500 miles on 
psychedelics. 

942
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Stop it. 
So press. 

943
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,320
The button I stopped it. 
This is we talk about things 

944
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,600
going and going and what's next 
and what's next. 

945
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,320
This dude. 
Is going to run 500K for. 

946
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,560
A movie and promoting it, asking
for money and running mushrooms.

947
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,640
I don't care. 
This is dumb. 

948
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,400
This is just dumb. 
Like I thought this one might 

949
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,440
rub you up the. 
Wrong way. 

950
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,280
It has, it has and if you. 
Look at the caption. 

951
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Of this. 
Instagram video it says if you 

952
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,800
like. 
Concept. 

953
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,840
I assume the concept if. 
You like the concept of this 

954
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880
documentary we're filming? 
Support us by tagging Joe Rogan,

955
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,800
which says everything you need 
to know. 

956
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,480
This guy is doing it because he 
wants to become famous. 

957
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,160
This guy is doing it for the 
sole reason of trying. 

958
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,040
To this is this is. 
The bad runner we talked about 

959
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,720
the other week? 
This is not Jelly Roll, who 

960
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,720
started his dumb run club or 
whatever his run club was called

961
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,560
because he's fallen in love with
running despite being a person 

962
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,520
of profile losers. 
Run club losers. 

963
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,960
Sorry, not. 
Dumb losers run club. 

964
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,720
Jelly Roll is a known person 
who's fallen in love with 

965
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:18,000
running great this is someone 
who wants to become famous. 

966
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,960
He's gone to running to get. 
The expense of running? 

967
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,320
Yep. 
And I hate that. 

968
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,880
And we're talking about it, so 
we'll. 

969
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,520
We'll, we'll, we'll shut it down
because look, this is hey, you 

970
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,800
give fuel to. 
The fire that's. 

971
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,320
That is the issue. 
The more I mean, that is social 

972
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,040
media, right? 
I, I, it's content. 

973
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,800
It is. 
It's content, Sure it's content.

974
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,160
I won't lie, I'll probably keep 
tabs on it. 

975
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,640
Just because I don't know if 
he's done. 

976
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,920
It or not that? 
Just yeah, that from what I've 

977
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,040
seen of people that try. 
And run 500 miles plus I think 

978
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,520
you get yourself in a headspace 
where you probably don't need 

979
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,760
the psychedelics. 
I think the experience of 

980
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,800
running 500 miles is enough of a
drug anyway, right? 

981
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,640
Few more loose ends from. 
Last week, Liam, I I was wrong. 

982
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,520
Drive to Survive is coming back.
Oh, this was. 

983
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,760
Yeah, you I that wasn't, I don't
think you realised at the time 

984
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,600
what a bombshell it was. 
Yeah, well, I, I mean. 

985
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,920
This is made my ears prick up. 
Yeah, well, I was. 

986
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Thinking the same. 
What I did, the reason was I was

987
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,200
reading all of these we talk 
about. 

988
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,880
I forget why I was actually 
saying this exactly, but it was 

989
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,280
all the wrong storyline. 
So I was promoting kind of the 

990
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,440
story they were promoting this 
season wasn't the real story. 

991
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,000
So there was backlash from the 
drivers saying like, that 

992
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
doesn't exist, Great, you know? 
Manufacturing story. 

993
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,000
The producers are like. 
Pushing things around, making 

994
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,120
things appear what they're not, 
all for the case of a story 

995
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000
which eventually is going to not
make the drivers go well. 

996
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,360
I don't want to be involved in 
that. 

997
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,360
That's where I read there was no
season. 

998
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,720
However, I've since read Netflix
have renewed for season 8, but I

999
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:53,120
wonder whether. 
Season 8 will be noticeably 

1000
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,640
different because to your point,
reality TV producers famously in

1001
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,160
certain shows like The Bachelor 
and that sort of stuff, they use

1002
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,320
lack of sleep, they use alcohol,
they use these tools as a way to

1003
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,840
get the drive a wedge between. 
People so they they want to 

1004
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,920
create drama. 
Right. 

1005
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,760
And that's their job. 
The difference there is those 

1006
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,880
contestants in the lens of 
reality television are 

1007
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,400
expendable because they don't 
come back, right? 

1008
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,760
If you're producing Drive to 
Survive, these drivers aren't 

1009
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,560
expendable. 
They are your recurring 

1010
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,600
characters who you need to have 
on board with the project again 

1011
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,280
next season. 
And I noticed Max wasn't in a. 

1012
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,320
Lot this year, I think he was 
probably like, I've had enough, 

1013
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,520
I've had enough, you guys are 
painting. 

1014
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,680
Probably ticked the box he had 
to do and then. 

1015
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,480
Yeah, he wasn't. 
Wasn't too involved. 

1016
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,840
Hey, I hope they get it right 
and I hope it. 

1017
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,720
Keeps going. 
Well, yeah, the big question we 

1018
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:45,120
had after. 
Last episode and we did a bit of

1019
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,960
a, you know, shout out or and 
real was around. 

1020
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Do you actually? 
Care who wins a marathon. 

1021
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,840
Race and I said care is a harsh 
word, but do you know who wins a

1022
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,840
marathon? 
Races, So we got plenty of 

1023
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,720
feedback on the lots and. 
Most of it was in. 

1024
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,400
Agreeance. 
We don't, we don't know. 

1025
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,720
So Gordon Moffatt here was 
chatting to my group after this 

1026
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,960
about winners of the races. 
They don't see running as a 

1027
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,680
sport, they see it as a way to 
get fit and lose weight. 

1028
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,840
So could not care less one one 
lady I trained didn't even 

1029
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,760
realise that the marathon she 
does is the same race the 

1030
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
winner. 
Does she just? 

1031
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,080
Starts miles away. 
In, in, in the F zone. 

1032
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,960
And it blew a mind that there's 
actually another race going on. 

1033
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,600
I love that. 
I love. 

1034
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,080
That response? 
Yeah, what's he say? 

1035
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Which I'm saying people actually
even the park run. 

1036
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,320
Same thing. 
You know who wins the park one. 

1037
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,320
No one really gives a gives a 
shit. 

1038
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,120
This is this is we're. 
I'm learning so much doing this 

1039
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,600
with you Liam and and talking 
about these different things. 

1040
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,680
I'm just having a look at 
through some. 

1041
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,720
Because the only one you did go 
on to say. 

1042
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:59,000
The only thing people really 
care about winning who are just 

1043
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,800
running is at the Olympics and 
Commonwealth Games where they're

1044
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,720
watching it, yes. 
So if we wanted. 

1045
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,840
To throw a broad. 
Blanket out over Do people care 

1046
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,080
about the winners of the 
marathon? 

1047
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,320
Yes, if they're not competing, 
but know if they are. 

1048
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,960
If you're racing, most people 
don't care, but if you're 

1049
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,200
watching, of course you care. 
So that was Gordo I. 

1050
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Like it. 
What else have we got? 

1051
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,920
We'll get to the pods people 
listens to in a in a future 

1052
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,280
episode because I've got there's
so many come through. 

1053
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,600
There's actually. 
Too many and I want to. 

1054
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,280
I want to. 
Make sure mine get in there too.

1055
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,840
But yeah, thanks very much. 
Sending them in because we've 

1056
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,760
got a heap of them as far as 
Luke Smith wrote into on our on 

1057
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,840
the comments on on. 
Sorry, those who don't have 

1058
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,160
Instagram can always leave 
comments in our Spotify. 

1059
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,880
Probably the easiest way to do 
it as a running fans, you think 

1060
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,520
you're we think you guys are 
looking at the marathon as a 

1061
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,320
sport again, which it is, but a 
large percentage of the people 

1062
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,520
look at the marathon as purely a
challenge or a goal. 

1063
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,600
Most marathon runners would not 
follow major marathon results 

1064
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,600
and don't care who the 
professionals in any given race 

1065
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480
are. 
That's why I've pulled out of 

1066
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,960
our marathon series, Liam, and 
we've got a first time 

1067
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,880
marathoner coming in to support 
you. 

1068
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,680
So for everyone out there 
listening who think the same 

1069
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,400
way, we've provided the perfect 
lead up for the marathon for 

1070
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,440
you. 
Yeah, we should stop down. 

1071
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,880
On this point, we talked a bit 
about this new series that we're

1072
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,840
starting in first one drops 
Wednesday, but. 

1073
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,480
We do have this is really. 
Exciting. 

1074
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,240
We've got a young woman by the 
name of Bronte Langbroek who's 

1075
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,120
also who works in radio with me 
and she's coming on this first 

1076
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,760
ever marathon. 
She fell in love with running 

1077
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,360
about 12 months ago. 
She's run a half before, but 

1078
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,040
this is her first marathon. 
She's thrilled at the 

1079
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,400
opportunity to get to be trained
by Benita and there's for 

1080
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,440
everyone out there who might be 
first marathon, second marathon,

1081
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,560
still very much the goal is 
finishing. 

1082
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,840
Bronte's going to be a great 
touch point through this series 

1083
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,360
to see how she's travelling 
through the 12 week block and to

1084
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,280
hopefully reflect what your 
experience is or at least answer

1085
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
some of the questions or 
thoughts you might be having 

1086
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,080
across your journey. 
Yeah, if you're in the same 

1087
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,960
situation and. 
Look, we're not going to just be

1088
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,560
focused on on Liam and Bronte. 
No, we want, well, I'm the one 

1089
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,440
they're asking them those 
broader questions. 

1090
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,640
And already in a few interviews 
we've learned a heap of stuff 

1091
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,360
about kilometres run and 
recovery and what matters, what 

1092
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,040
doesn't. 
So yeah, that's all coming. 

1093
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,600
Yeah, now if you. 
I've actually got a shout. 

1094
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,880
Out for the Queenslanders, we 
are Queenslanders up here. 

1095
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,720
So Holly Ransom, just this is a 
huge day. 

1096
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:39,600
She's just run the 24 hour track
race at Shrikon Show Crane. 

1097
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,920
That's a Canberra place, you 
know that Trishimov well. 

1098
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,720
Yeah, I don't. 
I know. 

1099
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,600
I've always seen that he's have 
a triathlon. 

1100
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,760
I used to know. 
It as a triathlon, not a run. 

1101
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,640
But anyway it was the Australian
24 hour a 24 hour track champs. 

1102
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:59,240
That sounds awful. 
She's run 200 and. 63 point. 5 

1103
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,680
kilometres in 24 hours, a new 
Australian record, new 

1104
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,920
Australian champ and the third 
best 24 hour female performance 

1105
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,360
in history. 
Now I don't know that's 

1106
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Australian performance or it 
might be in history, full stop. 

1107
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,040
So that's huge Congrats. 
Massive shout out holy. 

1108
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,640
Ransom, well played. 
Better you than me. 

1109
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840
I'm I'm more than happy to be 
away from that one. 

1110
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,920
Can we just We did get another. 
Message back and now people 

1111
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,280
might remember my misguided your
lungs are a toilet theory. 

1112
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,080
If you haven't, if you missed 
that episode, go back. 

1113
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,000
It was medically disproved, 
which is great by a friend of 

1114
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,120
mine, Farah, who's a a a 
cardiologist. 

1115
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,720
And again, she explained why my 
half baked theory about your 

1116
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,280
lungs being a toilet was wrong. 
But a woman by the name of Jess 

1117
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,280
Baird Walsh has messages the 
show and she's a friend of 

1118
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,440
Farrah's. 
And she said, hey guys, wanted 

1119
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,920
to say hi and introduce myself. 
I heard about you from Farrah, 

1120
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,560
wanted to tell you about what 
I'm doing. 

1121
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,880
She is up to this is incredible.
Jess is up to 100. 

1122
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:06,520
She's up to 995 days running 
consecutively, 995 days running 

1123
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,920
consecutively. 
So that's over two years that 

1124
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,280
she's been consecutively running
and I believe minimum of five KS

1125
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,520
she might have cracked 1000. 
By now then? 

1126
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,720
Well, yeah, from when she she's.
Probably through 1000 days and 

1127
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,600
she just wanted to fill in the 
info saying that regarding 

1128
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,280
marathons and winners and why 
people don't care, runners are 

1129
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,960
racing against themselves. 
I reckon that's why it's less 

1130
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,440
about the elites and more about 
breaking down your own barriers.

1131
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,720
She said she's running Sydney 
Marathon as part of her 

1132
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,680
challenge and she's so excited 
to see Kipchoge. 

1133
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,680
So just another perspective on 
that. 

1134
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Marathon runners and finishing 
while I'm thinking of it, it 

1135
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,000
just. 
Came across I got sent from one 

1136
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,840
of your mates. 
You having a go at me about 

1137
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,320
calling, weren't you? 
I was just disappointed to see 

1138
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,960
you jump on a. 
Bandwagon like that. 

1139
00:54:50,480 --> 00:55:00,600
Oh no, who is this? 
I know where that's come from 

1140
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,800
is. 
That you in a stadium. 

1141
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Let me let me explain. 
Singing, Yeah. 

1142
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,160
Those. 
Who throw stones? 

1143
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,960
No, Let me explain, Courtney. 
Yes, I have been very 

1144
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,240
hypocritical that I know where 
you've got that from and Sam 

1145
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,960
gets stuffed. 
Sam has sent that to you, hasn't

1146
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:20,720
he? 
Yes, yes. 

1147
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,200
So once a year on Anzac Day, my 
friends and I from school, it's 

1148
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,200
I, I can't get there this year 
sadly, but we normally go down 

1149
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,520
to the Anzac Day clash, 
Collingwood and Essendon. 

1150
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,120
I am a Port Adelaide supporter, 
but for this game, once a year 

1151
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,440
we all choose sides just to add 
some spice to it amongst us. 

1152
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,480
So I am a Collingwood supporter 
for one game every year. 

1153
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,080
And yes, Liam. 
I have been somewhat 

1154
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,640
hypocritical. 
And I've been caught out. 

1155
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,880
You have been caught with. 
Your pants. 

1156
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,360
That's the problem with social. 
Media and phones and doing 

1157
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,160
things on camera. 
Anything more you've got on 

1158
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Liam, anyone? 
Sending in No I'm. 

1159
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,080
More than happy to keep sharing,
hey? 

1160
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,200
If I'm not allowed. 
To read all the pages from your 

1161
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,480
journals, you're not allowed to 
just ask for people to submit 

1162
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,440
stuff on the on the. 
Running bandwagon, as we're 

1163
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,800
talking about other sports 
people doing it, Mark Cavendish,

1164
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,360
they're great, They're great. 
Ran in his first half marathon 

1165
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,800
last week in Paris in a time of 
157 one 57150. 

1166
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,240
Seven O 8. 
Half marathon in Paris. 

1167
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,040
OK, now. 
We are pro running off across 

1168
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,520
all things. 
Yes, we we've talked about the 

1169
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,080
average Strava time and all that
sort of stuff, but Mark 

1170
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,760
Cavendish ain't no average 
person, right? 

1171
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,760
To me that seems slow for Mark 
Cavendish. 

1172
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,120
Sir Mark Cavendish, Sir Mark 
Cavendish, he's a track cyclist.

1173
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,520
We talk about the aerobic base. 
We've spoken about what Logan 

1174
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Martin, the BMX, was capable of.
I imagine if Richie Port turned 

1175
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,800
his hand to oh, Richie came from
triathlon. 

1176
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,480
I mean, I think he'd he could 
probably switch and GoPro at it.

1177
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,200
That seems slow for Mark 
Cavendish. 

1178
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Doesn't it? 
Well, he does, but he's he's. 

1179
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Well, I'm I'm glad he's done. 
It if you've never run before 

1180
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,200
and he might be. 
Someone who's come from the bike

1181
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,760
and just never run, so it's 
completely unnatural, but he's 

1182
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,440
out there. 
Just another one, another one. 

1183
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,240
It's great to have every week. 
Just seeing them just keep 

1184
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,600
flowing in. 
It's great the running it. 

1185
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,080
Continues to grow. 
Can we get an injury update from

1186
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,040
you? 
How, how are we doing for time? 

1187
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,120
We're we're going to have a long
run. 

1188
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,800
Today what? 
How? 

1189
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,120
How are we doing for time? 
Where are we? 

1190
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,320
At we're up towards an. 
Hour. 

1191
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,080
But we've got some stuff to 
Yeah, we still got stuff to get 

1192
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:28,480
to. 
We do. 

1193
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,880
Have some stuff to get to so 
I'll. 

1194
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Be very quick on my update 
because there is no running. 

1195
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,680
I do have AI have a stress 
reaction in my bone. 

1196
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,800
It's it's not too bad. 
It's not broken or cracked or 

1197
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,760
fractured, which is good news. 
So I'll be back in no time, 

1198
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,000
probably a timeline, probably 
about six weeks. 

1199
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,960
Jeez, that seems like a long 
time. 

1200
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,160
I'll. 
Rescan in six weeks. 

1201
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,560
Yeah, right. 
And how you doing with that? 

1202
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,360
That's all right. 
So I'm gonna. 

1203
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:59,040
I'll complete rest initially is 
the I suppose the plan and then 

1204
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,680
you're gonna actually I'm on 
crutches for so this is this. 

1205
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,480
The advice I suppose I've been 
given on this is don't 

1206
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,480
necessarily need to be on 
crutches, but the longer I can 

1207
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,600
keep on for weight bearing, the 
quicker it's gonna heal and the 

1208
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,440
more chance it will come back 
better quicker. 

1209
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,320
Yeah. 
So is that why I'm carrying all 

1210
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,880
the? 
You're gonna carry everything. 

1211
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:25,040
To down to Tassie for me looking
like my Porter, my Porter and 

1212
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,480
I'm going to try and stand on 
those crutches as much as 

1213
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,280
possible because I do I mean I'm
jealous of everything going on 

1214
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,840
and I want to get back as quick 
as possible. 

1215
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,520
I will be able to do a bit of 
swimming and a bit of light 

1216
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,600
riding in a few weeks, so not 
completely out of it fair 

1217
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,120
enough, but give us a quick 
update on how you're going into 

1218
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,240
this weekend. 
I'm feeling really good I've. 

1219
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Been running. 
I have probably haven't run as 

1220
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,640
as much elevation as as required
to really ramp at this, but I'm 

1221
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,160
actually I'm overall I'm 
running. 

1222
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,040
I feel pretty good through my 
runs. 

1223
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,240
I got up in the trails last 
weekend with mutual friend 

1224
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Reedy. 
We hit out 17 KSI ran in those 

1225
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,040
the S Labs Genesis and they were
they're a great race shoe. 

1226
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,720
That is I'm excited to run in 
those because racing around the 

1227
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Nerang 17K loop, they feel 
great. 

1228
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,440
Yeah, and that's in the thing 
with. 

1229
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,600
Those they were designed, they 
are designed for the elite 

1230
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,480
runners at an elite level. 
So they are a great shoe, but 

1231
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,320
when it comes to trail, you 
know, they haven't got there's 

1232
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,040
no plate in them. 
No, no, it's good responsive 

1233
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,400
rather, but it's not too soft 
either. 

1234
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,960
But they just run like a they 
run like a really good shoe and 

1235
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,680
like the grip on them, you're 
gonna have no trouble going 

1236
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,200
across. 
I feel what they call it up at 

1237
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,000
Mount Wellington. 
They're called the probably the 

1238
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,600
steamers. 
They call the rocks up there. 

1239
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Well, look and look if you're. 
Interested. 

1240
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Not cheap, they're 325 bucks or 
something like that but go and 

1241
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,720
have a look. 
But if you are at the point 

1242
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,720
where you feel like you want to 
try and get a great trail, 

1243
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,760
shoot, from my experience you're
liking them better than the 

1244
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,480
softer. 
Pair right? 

1245
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,160
I much prefer those to the 
other. 

1246
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,480
Pair that I tried which? 
I would I would hike. 

1247
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,080
In yeah, so that was an 
aeroglide. 

1248
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,360
Aeroglide yeah no, these are 
more like a training shoe, you 

1249
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,680
know softer on the feet runner 
but yeah these are these are 

1250
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,360
like yeah these are the top of 
the range racer can't wait to 

1251
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,400
race in them at. 
Kanani, I am coming off. 

1252
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,720
I'm just my kilometres and time 
on feet is coming down a bit 

1253
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,960
because I've I'm gonna obviously
racing this weekend and then I 

1254
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,560
get into my 12 week block of 
training with Benita. 

1255
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,160
So I am sort of tapering or 
having a bit more of an easy 

1256
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,640
week under guidance from the 
coach. 

1257
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,680
It's not a decision I've made, 
but Anita has said ease up. 

1258
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,080
That's the thing, right? 
You got to trust. 

1259
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,360
Now I want you to trust 100% in 
everything after this weekend, 

1260
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,080
trust in me to this weekend. 
Yep, hopefully don't hurt you. 

1261
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,640
And then after that I want you 
to 100% as soon as I cross that 

1262
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,040
finish line at. 
Kunani in Hobart today I I take 

1263
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,760
my brain out and I put Anita's 
training notes in it's I stopped

1264
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,440
thinking for myself from a 
running perspective. 

1265
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,640
But what I will say just 
quickly, I was I hadn't thought 

1266
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,640
about what this. 
Podcast might have done. 

1267
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,840
For my Strava I. 
Reckon before. 

1268
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,280
We started doing this, yes. 
I had maybe the 20 people that I

1269
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,720
run with following me on Strava.
Yeah, right, right. 

1270
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,120
And so I didn't. 
Think about it, I never. 

1271
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,640
Thought of Strava in that sense 
of, oh, people can follow and 

1272
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,760
see what you run. 
I got 250 followers on Strava 

1273
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,480
now come right. 
They probably just checking in. 

1274
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,520
We're not we're not blaming full
of shit each week, Liam, There's

1275
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,680
some level of. 
Responsibility to these people 

1276
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,880
because for the most part they 
see me doing the same buddy 1015

1277
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,960
K spot out there up at Main 
beach or down at Tugan. 

1278
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,680
Hopefully none of them are 
stalkers, but. 

1279
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:41,480
Yeah, you know what, it's a good
call because I think anyone who 

1280
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,400
does start listening to this 
twelve week programme and want 

1281
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,920
to see what you're doing week to
week. 

1282
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,880
Like obviously we'll touch have 
touch points with Benita each 

1283
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,120
week. 
But if you want to see day to 

1284
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,640
day what both yourself and then 
I'm assuming Bronny will be on 

1285
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,880
there as well. 
Yeah, follow along. 

1286
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,320
We'll get some, we'll get some 
info up. 

1287
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,240
I'm going to. 
Try and be a lot more involved 

1288
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,720
with that stuff. 
Involved talking about what it's

1289
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,400
like to run trial running and 
what we've got, you know, 

1290
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,920
compared to running and what 
you're in for since Stegman, who

1291
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,200
you would have met, he helped us
run Red Bull Defiance. 

1292
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,480
So he was the race. 
Director at Red Bull. 

1293
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,520
Defiance set it up. 
He lives up in Townsville. 

1294
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,960
He rode into us and he said, and
Liam, you're looking at Kinani 

1295
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,680
or Salomon Golden Trail. 
Kinani as a road racer, as a 

1296
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,440
roadie, as a roadie. 
Trail running is all about the 

1297
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,200
journey and the course it will 
take you on. 

1298
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,560
It will be just as spectacular 
and hurt just as much no matter 

1299
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,000
how fast you run. 
And I agree because it doesn't 

1300
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,400
matter whether you run it hard, 
fast or it it it trail running, 

1301
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,600
the running up the hill is going
to be hard, but you get to it's 

1302
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,760
better than Rd. 
I'm going to say it. 

1303
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,400
It's better than Rd because 
you're going to be up there with

1304
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,600
all those views running up 
through the forest and all those

1305
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,640
places you've never seen before.
You don't get that out or 

1306
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,560
running around the roads. 
And that's what we love about 

1307
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,800
it. 
Shout out Sammy, thanks for the 

1308
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,280
message. 
What he also has said, and I am 

1309
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,080
100% on board with this. 
I haven't run this by you, but 

1310
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,680
we were doing the WTF series. 
Yep. 

1311
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,240
He said. 
You know what may might be a 

1312
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,080
good idea Let's call out some of
the local little races. 

1313
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,960
We talk about Gold Coast 
Marathon, we talk about, you 

1314
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
know, some of these big 
sponsored trail races, city to 

1315
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,000
surf Sydney Marathon. 
Let's let's call out some of the

1316
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,440
more unique smaller races and 
give them some support. 

1317
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,760
I like it. 
I love it. 

1318
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,000
So this is from the. 
Regional. 

1319
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,760
Thing. 
So the first one I've got a few 

1320
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
to four, got one straight off 
the bat. 

1321
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,040
I mean, it's his race, so but 
we'll start with Sammy's race. 

1322
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,000
He talked about Let me see where
is the first one he's got 

1323
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,200
Magnetic Island. 
Have you heard of Magnetic 

1324
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,520
Island? 
I've never been there off off 

1325
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,240
Townsville in May get this. 
One has a finish. 

1326
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,880
Line with kegs at the Arcadia 
Hotel. 

1327
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,760
What's the race called? 
It'll be the magnetic island. 

1328
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,720
Run. 
I'm assuming oh, it's the 

1329
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,600
magnetic island. 
Run. 

1330
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,520
OK, I. 
Like it so you get you get the 

1331
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,960
ferry over. 
From Townsville, yeah. 

1332
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,040
It's a trail race, so there's 
actually probably trails. 

1333
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,200
I've done some filming there for
Tourism Queensland before on 

1334
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,720
bikes. 
There's some trails, some Rd. 

1335
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,280
But you think it's it's, I'm 
just trying to think. 

1336
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,520
I think it's like limestone 
rocks. 

1337
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,240
It looks like a, it's a, it's 
literally a tropical island. 

1338
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,080
Like it's pretty much like 
you're up off in Fitzroy Island 

1339
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,320
of Cairns or somewhere like that
beautiful place the. 

1340
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Race to go and. 
Go tell me. 

1341
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,680
More about the race itself. 
Oh my God, you don't. 

1342
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,560
Have it do you? 
Have any? 

1343
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,920
So here's the thing, Courtney 
and I'm gonna bring races. 

1344
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,080
I need the I'm gonna. 
Put my radio hat on here. 

1345
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,360
And say that when you introduce 
new segments, right, This is 

1346
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,120
how. 
No, I don't mean to go a radio 

1347
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,440
on you, but if you're gonna 
introduce new segments on the 

1348
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,600
pod without checking them with 
me first, you better bring all 

1349
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,200
the information because guess 
what? 

1350
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,760
I got questions, right? 
You should be able to answer 

1351
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,160
these questions for me. 
I know it's a trail race. 

1352
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,400
I know it's a magnetic island. 
I know it's May. 

1353
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,840
If anyone you everyone's got 
Google there, go and Google it. 

1354
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,400
No, no, Sam. 
Sam puts on some really good 

1355
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,280
races up around Townsville. 
They've had at the moment 

1356
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,720
they're having a, I don't know 
how much you know about like, 

1357
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,520
you know, we're focused on 
southeast QLD copying all this 

1358
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,280
weather. 
North North Queensland at the 

1359
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,360
moment are just continually 
copying it. 

1360
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,240
So he's telling me up around 
Pluma and areas north north of 

1361
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,480
Townsville, they could be shut 
off up to a year. 

1362
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,120
So while we're all down here in 
the southeast, Winchen, there's 

1363
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,400
a continual, the rain just 
hasn't stopped up there. 

1364
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,040
It's continual there, I imagine.
It's what he's talking about is 

1365
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,840
the two days trail run. 
It's on Magnetic Island which 

1366
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,720
finishes at the Arcadia Village 
hotel. 

1367
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,400
There's a 6K12K all 21K course. 
They climb from Nelly Bay to the

1368
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,440
top of the hill above Arcadia 
Bay and into Horseshoe Bay. 

1369
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,160
Saturday afternoon event 
finished. 

1370
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Sign inside the pub post drink 
racing meal. 

1371
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,080
Yep, that's great. 
I like that. 

1372
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,880
So what another one the hell of 
the West was on last weekend. 

1373
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,280
A friend of mine finished. 5th 
in the women's race came in, I 

1374
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,080
mean. 
What's going to windy from here?

1375
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,240
Probably 5 1/2 hours or so. 
So he's straight W along 

1376
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Queensland, NSW border. 
Yeah. 

1377
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,160
You. 
I saw a picture of people 

1378
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,960
walking in the water. 
They have, I don't know the 

1379
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,800
numbers, but like it looked like
there was 1000 people at least 

1380
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,640
going into the the river out 
there. 

1381
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,280
Yeah. 
And depending on the water, you 

1382
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,200
know the rivers. 
Have you ever raised north of 

1383
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,160
the West? 
Never. 

1384
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,000
Been out the hell of the. 
West Jacko from the run group 

1385
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,520
takes some of the school kids 
out there, do the fun run that's

1386
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,440
on and then help out on the aid 
stations. 

1387
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,920
Cool. 
So there's plenty of people. 

1388
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,960
I know they get really good 
professionals out there. 

1389
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,000
So that's another one that's 
turned into a massive event. 

1390
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,640
You know, one of it's been 
around for years. 

1391
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,720
So I'm having a look at some of 
the photos in front of me. 

1392
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,640
You know what that is? 
Great branding. 

1393
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,160
We've talked about branding and 
running and all the rest of 

1394
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,200
that. 
Hell of the West is a name you 

1395
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,960
want to have gone for. 
You find out about. 

1396
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,040
Oh, this sounds cool. 
Yeah, this sounds cool. 

1397
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,920
So you've instantly sparked that
interest in people. 

1398
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,240
You've broken through the 
barrier of whatever hell of the 

1399
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,520
West. 
What is that, triathlon? 

1400
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,440
Maybe we should have put some 
more effort. 

1401
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,120
Into our podcast name, then 
Liam. 

1402
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,800
Too late. 
It's too late now. 

1403
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:09,920
We've already passed the boat 
out. 

1404
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,800
Yeah, yeah, there's a few. 
I mean, I've been out to a few 

1405
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,600
different Outback kind of 
festivals. 

1406
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:18,280
So Dirt and Dust Festival is at 
Julia Creek. 

1407
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,840
Who's that Julia? 
Creek. 

1408
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,840
Is you're gonna do a quick map 
check on me. 

1409
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,280
It's inland from Townsville as 
well. 

1410
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,720
Now I'm thinking it's gonna be 
like, I'm talking thousands of 

1411
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,120
kilometres inland. 
So you got, so you got Mount Isa

1412
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Klon Curry and this is coming 
from the West. 

1413
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,840
Back in east you got Mount Isa, 
Klon, Curry, then Julia Creek, 

1414
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,560
small little one street town and
then you come back in through 

1415
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,240
places like Ewarden, Charters 
Towers. 

1416
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,200
It's on that road, that route. 
It's a 7 hour drive inland from.

1417
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,680
Townsville, OK. 
Julia Creek. 

1418
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,520
So, Julia. 
Creek Was it used to run a 

1419
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,200
triathlon in the early days. 
I went there as a underage 

1420
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,760
teenager drinking in the pub 
thinking how big and tough I was

1421
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,640
and and ordered kid you not, I 
remember this. 

1422
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,120
I went up with this is when I 
raced for Zuccone right? 

1423
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,120
Went up with the Zuccone team to
do this triathlon and went into 

1424
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,680
the pub and ordered a what are 
they called the red fire engines

1425
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,920
or whatever. 
Occa Red Bull No. 

1426
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,960
VOC Yeah, the fire trucks, the 
fire trucks, fire trucks, you 

1427
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,920
know this underage. 
Red lemonade in. 

1428
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,880
In in the most Outback. 
Town, you can imagine in 

1429
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,720
Australia probably. 
Can you like, think of what 

1430
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,479
people must have thought anyway,
what you do as a teenager we got

1431
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,000
really drunk out there after 
they were travelling, but they 

1432
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,240
supported travelling 
professionally for years and 

1433
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,040
years. 
It's awesome. 

1434
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,120
They've now evolved into a full 
festival where they have rodeo, 

1435
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:41,880
they have what they. 
Call the Ironman. 

1436
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,760
Where they do like, you know, I 
think they might do wood 

1437
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,479
chopping. 
So instead of having more 

1438
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,279
running events, now they have 
the kind of like Outback events,

1439
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,120
put it into an Ironman event and
they have that, yeah, cool. 

1440
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,840
But they also have a like a 
adventure run as part of that 

1441
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,200
out there. 
So you're right. 

1442
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,600
Dirt and dust. 
Triathlon, yeah, just having a 

1443
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,720
bit of a Google. 
If you are Dirt and Dust 

1444
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Festival Julia Creed, that is an
experience. 

1445
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,960
Out there for the weekend 
because all you know, everyone 

1446
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,840
from around the town come in for
the weekend for all the events. 

1447
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,040
It's only in a couple of weeks. 
From the 11th to the 13th of 

1448
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,800
April. 
Yep, should get out there. 15 I 

1449
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,160
don't think we'll get. 
Out there this year. 

1450
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,080
But you know, in the future if 
if you want to see some stuff 

1451
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,720
like there's so many good 
Outback QLD festivals going on, 

1452
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,000
like, you know, they run in 
Australia's best. 

1453
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,080
Butt competition, we get into 
that. 

1454
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,000
You could enter that, Liam. 
You could enter that. 

1455
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,319
I'm more than happy to jump on 
the into. 

1456
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,080
Into the triathlon. 
Probably the adventure run 

1457
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,439
that's out. 
There now I don't actually think

1458
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,640
they're on the triathlon there 
anymore. 

1459
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,520
OK, I think they've moved it to 
an adventure run. 

1460
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,880
I'll leave some of these for for
a few weeks time because we've 

1461
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,279
got, we've got, we've got a lot 
of stuff we've been going. 

1462
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,399
Along we just keep. 
Finding more and more stuff 

1463
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,520
talking about in though I'm 
going to throw a little bit of 

1464
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,320
gear in here. 
Go ASICS. 

1465
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,400
Have just released. 
Tradey shoes. 

1466
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,200
I saw these. 
And they've got a boa. 

1467
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,120
So Boa is like the ratchet 
system you use on your cycling 

1468
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,840
shoes and some trail. 
Shoes now use. 

1469
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,240
It as well, yeah. 
What do you reckon? 

1470
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,880
It's like the shoe company. 
'S just getting greedy. 

1471
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,640
Well. 
Look, I think it's a case of 

1472
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,640
ASICS have shoe expertise, they 
have footwear expertise, right? 

1473
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,720
And if that's your core 
business, why wouldn't you look 

1474
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,040
at expanding into all avenues? 
Yeah, I suppose. 

1475
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,080
And I think that's what they've.
Done here and it doesn't seem 

1476
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,120
like that much of A stretch for 
them. 

1477
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,520
I look the. 
Irony, of course, is me talking.

1478
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,920
About a working booth that I 
will never need to wear. 

1479
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,040
I have no need for working boots
in my life. 

1480
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,480
I'm not going to. 
It would be like me commenting 

1481
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,800
on International Women's Day. 
You don't need to hear from me 

1482
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,080
on that one. 
I will never be on site wearing 

1483
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,680
one of these boots, so I'm not 
going to tell tradies whether 

1484
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,720
they're good or not, but it it. 
Made me think because I was. 

1485
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,200
I did. 
When I first saw them I'm like, 

1486
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,480
why the hell have they put out a
tradie shoe? 

1487
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:06,440
And then it made me think, 
actually Salomon, something I've

1488
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:09,440
always for years thought to 
order but never really kind of 

1489
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,280
got around to ordering. 
They actually have tactical 

1490
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,320
boots like for soldiers. 
For soldiers. 

1491
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,480
Why do you need those? 
Why not Liam? 

1492
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,800
If you can, why not? 
When would you ever? 

1493
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:23,920
I've just brought the. 
Picture of those up. 

1494
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,160
When would you ever wear those? 
Actually you. 

1495
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,200
Get Adam if I if I. 
Was probably liking. 

1496
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:29,960
Those and stuff. 
Well. 

1497
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,840
I. 
Wouldn't you wouldn't liking 

1498
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,880
them but. 
If I was just, you know, walking

1499
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,960
through the Bush, they're 
stylish. 

1500
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,680
Why not have the? 
Best they're they're. 

1501
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,280
Those are those. 
I could see those becoming as is

1502
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,920
the that could become a trend. 
That's a trend. 

1503
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,000
Absolutely they don't, so This 
is why I keep. 

1504
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,000
Forgetting about them and it was
only the tradie shoes from ASIC 

1505
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,840
that made me think of it was 
they don't sell them in normal 

1506
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,200
channels. 
So you've actually got to go 

1507
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,520
into it's like specialty stores 
around that. 

1508
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,320
So if you're an influencer, who.
Decides you want to be on trend?

1509
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,240
You're going to have to walk 
into a tactical outdoor. 

1510
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,320
Probably going to find guns or 
something. 

1511
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,000
In that store as well. 
You're out there. 

1512
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,480
Yeah, like it. 
All right, Liam. 

1513
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,280
Well, good luck. 
For the run this weekend, which 

1514
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,800
you by the time you're listening
to this, you'll probably be 

1515
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,320
right out there on the course 
and probably standing on the 

1516
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,560
podium. 
At some point in the podium, so.

1517
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,640
I can't wait to speak to you and
paid after this and and and hear

1518
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,080
all the war stories. 
Yeah, now this is going to be 

1519
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,760
great. 
I can't wait to tell everybody 

1520
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,880
about the experience. 
I am going to take try and get a

1521
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,280
bit of footage while I'm running
to give people a bit of an 

1522
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,720
insight into what the whole 
thing's like. 

1523
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,040
We'll get that up on the 
Instagram page as well. 

1524
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,560
So don't forget this Kunani 
review race and and having a 

1525
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,440
chat about it with Salomon after
the fact. 

1526
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,240
It will drop probably Sunday, 
Monday, Sunday, we'll have it. 

1527
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,640
Ready for your Monday morning, 
Monday morning for if you're out

1528
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,080
running and this is where. 
You marathoners, if you're 

1529
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,240
running Gold Coast, if you're 
running Sydney later on and you 

1530
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,360
want to get a earlier experience
of what it's like, you've got 

1531
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,080
your 12 week training block 
ready. 

1532
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,680
We're not going to be providing 
you a 12 week training block. 

1533
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,680
This is a this is a an 
assistant. 

1534
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,240
This is what This is something 
for you to listen along to as 

1535
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,240
you go through your own 12 week 
block journey leading into the 

1536
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,640
Gold Coast. 
You'll be going through the 

1537
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,480
same. 
Things that Liam and Brawne 

1538
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,160
injury go through nutrition. 
Recovery, not finishing 

1539
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,600
sessions, overtraining in 
sessions, and we're going to 

1540
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,680
cover all of that. 
To food, to recovery nutrition 

1541
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,680
for a state into the taper we're
going to be recovering. 

1542
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,800
All of it. 
And this Wednesday is the first 

1543
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,560
episode where you get to know 
how Coach Bonita Willis, 

1544
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,040
Australia's greatest ever 
distance runner. 

1545
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,400
You'll get an insight into what 
has made her who she is today, 

1546
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,000
why she coaches the way she 
does, all the achievements 

1547
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,400
through her athletic career. 
She sits down with us. 

1548
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,720
Incredible stories. 
You'll definitely want to listen

1549
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,320
to it no matter what level of 
running you're interested in. 

1550
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,120
Can't wait for it? 
Get on board.