In the beginning Episode 72 Courtney, can we start today
with a congratulations to our man?
Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll 3 Grammy Awards the
other day Huge 3 Grammy Awards. Well, no longer huge.
No longer huge, his weight loss is.
He just keeps going. He looks.
Awesome. And in the weirdest way, it's
the most I've cared about the Grammys maybe ever, seeing him
sitting there accepting an award.
And you listen to music every. Morning, I know, but it's so I
still look back on what we did last year with him and laugh and
smile and it's crazy, crazy to think that we have now
interviewed a Grammy Award winner.
Huge. Anyway.
Like I said, they they're still highlight of the year for sure.
Going from Grammys, yes. And him losing obviously all
that weight and doing some great stuff in the health world.
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There is no more excuses for anyone about age and running.
If you if you've been on socials and you if you know you get
spammed with the running algorithm, you're gonna see
this. But A156800 at 53 years of age.
A156800. Yes, at 53 it was a new men's 50
+ 800 world record. It was done down at the Victoria
Milers Club by Zach Ashkensee. Zach.
Ashkansi Ashkanahasi. Yep, one sorry we got the
current pronunciation wrong there, but.
He knows who he is 53 years of age.
Is that a photo of him? Yep, cheeses good nick for a 53.
Well, if you're gonna run one, if you're gonna run under 2
minutes, that's even. 800, he looks youthful.
Yeah. 53 Have you ever run a straight up 800?
Not since school, but what do you reckon you not under 2
minutes? That's flying.
So for context, that's that's on track to run a sub 4 minute mile
that's on pace to break the four minute mile.
Yeah, so he's I I went into I've done AI don't want to speak
dive. No, no, well, I haven't because
listen to this. So the masters running the
Masters of running podcast, which I hadn't heard of, but he
they, they've interviewed him and they talk about him being
the new 50 plus world record holder in March.
We felt it was time that he came out of we felt it was like a
time that came out of nowhere. But he has a 343 as a senior.
So that's his 1700 proper athlete.
Yep. And then 149800A very private
guy who shunned social media and only post basic information on
Strava. So I went to his Strava and it's
all just him commuting to work. Riding, no way.
A little bit of swimming I saw OK, and then a couple of track
sessions. So yeah, definitely.
I love this. That's so I love this for
context, just to put it in context for everybody out there,
because a lot of 800 is a strange distance for probably
most people. As you say, most people probably
haven't run a straight up painful.
Distance. It's most people probably
haven't run a straight up 800 since school, high school maybe
the so he's run a 15633. The world record is a 14091 set
by David Rhodesia, the great David Rhodesia in 2012.
The women's world record is a very long standing record.
Jamila Krachevilova in one in 1983 she ran A1. 53 We've talked
about that world record. Have we?
Yeah. Oh, it's Eastern, one of those
old. Chestnuts but but look Fayette
world record. This is just if anyone's been to
the track and tried to run a sub 6400 and then think of trying to
do that twice, hey this is like congratulations.
And if anyone's thinking about trying to go to the track and
run some sort of time like this, stretch, please, please stretch.
So I'm gonna go and listen to, like I said, that it's the
masters of running podcasts. I've interviewed him and and he
talks about his training, that type of stuff.
But everything else, Zach can't find much information on him.
Ashkenazi, Zach Ashkenazi. I did look at his PBS 'cause he
did have a profile on like World Athletics and he's 10K in in
July 25 S last year he ran A313156 down in Melbourne, OK.
Yep. So he's not your average
athlete. It, well, it's that's just super
impressive. Hey, let's, let's, let's move on
from from something happening happening locally to something
happening right now. Yep.
If you're not tuned in to I think Stan is their streaming
service or Channel 9 on 9 Now coverage.
The Winter Olympics are here. Courtney.
Yeah, I know you've got something you want to talk
about. Just quickly, how do you feel
around Winter Olympic time because you're a Summer
Olympian? Is there a kinship?
Is there a do you feel attached to it in the same way?
Does it bring back Olympic vibes?
I love watching the Winter Olympics, OK 'cause it's all the
unique sports that, you know, we don't really get to see.
So there's a lot of those, you know, like curling and biathlon.
Everything's a bit strange at the Winter Olympics.
Well, it's strange for us, yeah. But you know, I put myself in
the shoes like, you know, through I spoke through Red Bull
being an Austrian company like downhill ski racing, they have
whole departments that, you know, look after downhill skill
racing. They had their own event that
was on in kitsball. Yep, just a couple of weeks ago.
You know, it's so much you kind of forget being, especially up
here in north, the north of Australia, you just forget how
big, like winter sports are in certain yeah countries, Yeah, in
certain locations. We just don't get to see.
We don't get it. I actually proposed this this
earlier in the week on the radio show that we should get a
advantage. It should be like the store
gift. We should have a head.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the Winter Olympics, all the
Aussies should get to start just that little bit further ahead.
The jump should be just that little bit smaller.
We should just get a bit of an advantage given the climate in
which our athletes have to, well, train and prepare for
these races. Yeah, true.
And then there's just completely coincidental.
Before I get onto the event, I want to talk about Britt, our
physio expert. She wrote to us last week and
you were talking about were talking about coming and doing
pollies. Yes, I'm getting some steps.
She was out running pollies while listening to that episode,
right? And said, yeah, 100% solid
elevation. But she said, I'd also love you
guys to give a mention to Desi Johnson.
Have you ever No. For Desi, so I've become aware
of I think I must have you comment.
Well, how have you become aware? Well, I think I must have read
Britt's comment. I've now looked into Desi.
Yep, and I'm on the Desi bandwagon.
Yeah, so I was watching just the my algorithm in YouTube.
I got whether they were listening or saw on the phone
Britt's comment. I don't know how the hell it
came up, but yeah, I just got it was like a young girl from
Australia who's showing what she does for training for the Winter
Olympics and here she is. So she used to be heptathlon,
yeah, on the track, yeah. And has now moved into the
women's two person bobsled team. What I love about And so yeah,
she qualified. She will be competing in Milan
Milano Cortina 2026 as part of the Australian bobsled team.
What I love about Desi and she grew up here on the Gold Coast.
Oh, she did OK. Yeah, yeah, she she.
So Britt's probably treated. Her Brit.
This is why Britt's giving us the heads up about Desi.
And if you don't, the thing that's great as a as a fan of
sport, particularly the Olympics, is you can find
yourself getting attached to individual athletes.
And really, if you're, if you're not like I'm not AI, don't
regularly follow these winter sports, but I will be watching
the bobsleigh with because I'm on board Desi.
I've I've, I've now got an attachment to it because Brits
made are aware of us. I've looked into her a little
bit. What I can see about Desi is
that it's a little bit like a Sally Fitzgibbons story in very
talented athlete, right? Sally Fitzgiven, for those that
don't know, was an incredible runner.
Yep, before she turned her hand to surfing, and it was always,
and you've seen the ads, it was always her dream to represent
Australia at the Olympic Games. Now surfing for most of Sally's
career wasn't at the Olympics and then it got there in Japan.
Sally goes on and gets to compete as an Olympian for
Australia. It's a dream.
Clearly Desi dreamt and dreamt of being an Olympian, right?
And she hasn't been able to get there as a track and field
athlete. She turned her attention to this
to winter, a winter sport. And you saw there's a video up
on her Instagram. You can go and find it yourself.
The moment she and her her teammates letting mate make
realise they've qualified for the Olympics, it's awesome.
It's so cool to watch. And that's I think that's what's
truly unique about Olympic sports compared to you see it
drafting when the AFL players get drafted or things like that.
But when you realise these these athletes fulfilling dreams of
becoming Olympians, it's so cool.
It's awesome to watch and she she does a obviously, you know,
she has a really, really good job just showing her her.
Authentic self yeah and a million plus followers Oh really
she's got an over 1,000,000 followers she'd be more followed
than most of our oh really yeah 1,000,000 plus followers on
Instagram I. Haven't I?
So I didn't see it on Instagram. I just watched 1 YouTube.
Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing.
When I got my when I read Britt's comment and and learned
about Desi, Yeah, right. I clicked and I was thought
niche sport, niche athlete, 1,000,000 followers.
Now for context, Scotty James, who most of Australia knows
about 550,000 followers, helps that Desi's an attractive young
woman. That's just the reality of
social media. But well done to Desi.
Share that Desi. Well done.
Yeah. OK.
So yeah, good luck, Good luck. The event I want to talk about
though that came up is I was gonna call it schema.
We've talked about Schemo. This is a bit This is not
Morrison. They went to Olympics.
This is a little bit like that. You know when I think High Rocks
was saying we wanna be in the Olympics, but we can't call it
like it's a commercial brand like Iron Man.
So we'll call it fitness racing and we'll join the triathlon
programme and try and get in that back way.
So Schemo is what we've talked about a lot of the European
trail athletes do in winter, long distance racing on skis.
Yeah, yeah, all those guys. We've got some, yeah, no, some
of the pretty much the best runners in trail also crossover
to Schemo. So I was super excited seeing
that's well, they they call it ski mountaineering, but
effectively also known as Schemo is now in this is a new sport at
this this Olympics. I'm like, sweet, all the people
I follow in running are gonna be at the Olympics.
No. What do you mean?
So I would assume that they they have or would all be there.
Yeah, so this is it's not this morning because it's still gonna
be a great event, but the the event of ski mountaineering
they've chosen is Sprint racing, and the event's only only gonna
take about 3 minutes. So there's actually no endurance
factor. It's power.
It's a Sprint race, so it's Sprint ski mountaineering which
will have heats, semifinals and then go into a final and a mixed
relay. Now part of that the rules will
have. So they're taking in like the
with the ski mountaineering, they're going to take in all
aspects of it. They're throwing steps in it.
So they'll you'll go uphill on skis with skins on to help with
the grip. Then you can you RIP the skins
off from underneath your skis to go back downhill.
But throwing in there at one point you're gonna get the skis
off your feet and run up steps in boots as well.
Oh. Jesus.
All within they're saying will take around 3 minutes.
So the course 2 laps per athlete for the mixed relays.
The mixed relay in total will take about 30 minutes to
complete. In the final, the running.
Upstairs in Boots is dumb. That to me is that's that's
that's dumb. Like I that's taking it to a
that's if I feel like what what was that?
Remember, It's A Knockout that was on in the early hours of the
morning where it have the states competing against.
Do you? Reckon they've gone a bit too
far with the novelty I. Think you've gone like let them
keep their skis on and get to a checkpoint that sends the next
person releases a gate. You don't need them to run
upstairs. I was so excited when I saw all
this and I'm just like, yes, this is gonna be a great event
to watch on the big mountain, like a, you know, A2 to, you
know, hour and a half race or something.
Then like proper. No, no.
So now I'm back, more interested in the biathlon.
They've turned it into T20 and they've it's the T20 version.
I don't even T20, it's T. Three, it's it's very, very
short, but we've got so an ex runner, Lara Hamilton.
OK. I know she did a bit of running
over in US and college as well around trails and that she's
going to be this. So she similar to story that we
were just talking about about Desi.
Yep, Runner 100% want to make the Olympics go into winter
sports. And interestingly, she was long
distance in trial, cross country, that type of thing.
Yeah, but she's obviously been able to qualify in that in that
Sprint format. Good on that.
Yeah, couple of notes very quickly.
Now, before I give you these, can you help me create some sort
of agency where I can, where I can present these ideas and make
some money off them? Because I feel like some of
these, I'll keep giving them away for free, but at some point
one of these ideas are going to turn and Miranda make money for
somebody because I haven't had the time or bothered to turn
this into a business. OK, Somebody hit me up the other
day about Bunnings taking over the Melbourne Marathon as well.
By the way, like legit? Or.
Semi I need I need help in formulizing.
Maybe we just need to create some sort of segment open up for
when I have one of these ideas. OK.
What is it, Liam? I don't know what Liam's.
What's a It's a sports consultancy business,
essentially. Oh, no, I mean, what's the
Jingle? We're going to be able.
To do I'll I'll come on. I can say ski mountaineering,
terrible night, terrible night. Is Schemo better?
Schemo is great, but if it's branded and taken and the
Olympics can't have it, I'm going to give you 22.
Two better names than Ski Mountaineering.
OK, Right. Firstly, we're going here.
Firstly, what are they doing? They're going the ski.
They're skiing uphill and downhill.
Are they going downhill as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK. Then that removes the first name
I had, which was going to be, there's the downhill ski, call
it the uphill ski. Better name for the Olympic for
this Olympic event than Ski Mountaineering Power ski.
Yeah, OK. Better known.
How's it differentiate from cross country skiing?
Because that's cross country skiing.
This is power ski. This is why I thought they'd
really differentiate. Because you're talking about the
fact that the aerobic capacity requirement, it's not the
endurance athletes. Now, these are the power
athletes. So make a power ski.
Power ski hey. Look, we're I'm talking.
At Milano Cortina 2026 just. Just like we do with a lot of
things talking to how they are. I I'm thinking by athletes are
still going to be way more powerful.
These are so schemo are traditionally your your your
skinny runners. Yeah, but this isn't schemo
good. This is schemo.
But I thought you said it was shorter than Schemo.
Yeah, but it's it's with the equipment of schemo.
It's all about the equipment, Liam.
So you're using thicker ski, you know, biathlon, they're on the
and cross country skiing, they're on those super skiddy
skis and they're like they're matchsticks basically.
Sometimes they skate and I don't know enough and then sometimes
they do the. Yeah, the shuffle.
Then whatever the shuffle. The Running Man.
Yeah, yeah. We rarely know our winter
scores. Thicker skis but when they go
uphill instead of doing the the skate.
They run no. They put skins like a grip on
the bottom of their ski. Yeah.
And then that allow that grips on the snow, which allows them
to propel themselves up the hill.
It's more of a running motion. Yeah, so called power ski.
I just what would you rather watch?
You're flicking through and you're like, they're like coming
up next on the Milano Cortina 2026 coverage.
It's the ski mountaineering. I agree it's the wrong name.
Coming up next, power ski. Power Ski.
Yeah, they're they're good call. You would watch power ski
because when I hear ski mountaineering, all I think
about is someone locked on the side of a mountain.
Like I think, yeah, you're up in the mountain mountaineering, but
you're not. No, I'm thinking this is going
to be around a stadium, like when they put the the alligators
in the cross country over. The fuller let's call ski rocks
and really piss off high rocks. All right, hey, can we stay with
the Winter Olympics for a moment?
Of course, because I want to get to Scotty James.
Firstly, I just want to ask you a question that popped into my
head as I was literally just walking in your gate.
What's the 100 metre medal of the Winter Olympics?
We consider the 100 metre Sprint, the blue riband event of
the Summer Olympics. What do you consider?
There's no right answer. What do you consider to be the
gold medal of the Winter Olympic Games?
Again, without having yeah much information, I would say speed
skating. You would say scouting.
Would you? I would say the and I don't even
know the distances, not the, not the short track.
OK. But long track?
Maybe it's like the 1000 metre long track speed skating.
OK. You know which one I'm talking
about. Like the, the, the when?
You know when they're wearing the not the Steve Bradbury.
No, no interest. Yeah.
Where it's the individual. Essentially, it's like a, it's
like a, it's like a. Like the 400 metre track, yeah.
Like they do it the velodrome. Yeah, yeah, interesting.
What's yours? I have thought about this.
I'm I'm just typing in. He's trying to get what, what,
what? I want to know what what ChatGPT
would say, right? Because I have a pin.
Because, and here's my logic, when I think Winter Olympics, I
think skiing, downhill skiing, it has to be a skiing event, not
downhill skiing because there's so many variations.
There's the giant slalom, there's the Super X or whatever
they're called. I think it's the area.
I think it's the ski jump. No.
I think it's the ski. Jump No, we, you're just, we're
just skewed as Australians because we had all these
gymnasts who can do that, that's.
The most. No, no, no, not not Elisa
Kamplin. Oh, you're.
Talking about I'm. Thinking that Eddie the Eagles,
right? I think that.
Is what's chat say Chat? Are you there?
Is the men's downhill Alpine skiing?
That's what chat Chi BC. Second second thing.
It says that men's downhill, sometimes you hear it also they
refer to as the thousand metre speed sky or the men's ice
hockey gold medal game, which I get as well.
I'd agree with all those three. I Yeah, two out of three,
anyway. But enough about that.
You watch the Olympics, decide for your own What's the best
gold medal given out at the Olympics?
Let's talk about our best Olympic gold medal hope at these
Games, Scotty James. Is he a bet?
I mean, he's the favourite for the gold.
He's definitely the favourite for the gold.
He's our best gold medal. Have we got any other?
I think we've got some. Jakara Anthony's I think is a
good show. There's a couple of others, but.
I don't want to disappear into the rest of the team.
I want to focus in on Scotty because this is a man with a
Netflix special. That's how much the anticipation
is building into these games for 31 year old Scotty James.
Olympics number 5, right? Just became the NUM, you know,
the greatest next game. Yeah, world champion his his
position as 1/2 pipe snowboarder is unquestionable.
He's considered by meaning to be the greatest of all time.
Him and Shaun White obviously head to head.
When did you meet Scotty? How do you know Scotty?
Scotty's obviously a Red Bull athlete.
When did you first meet Scotty? First first time I met Scotty I
was in a Perth hotel down on the water and I remember plain as
day me and my wife were were checking in.
I think I've told this story too.
I. Don't think you have.
So we're checking in. We're over at the Red Bull Air
Race. So all the athletes were coming
in from around the country. They Red Bull just signed
Scotty, I think he was 14. Anyway, he, he went to check in.
I'd never met him, but he went to check in next to me at the
counter. He never had a credit card.
You can't check into a hotel. So our athlete manager, they're
like someone from the business wouldn't have came and checked
him in with a business card or whatever else.
But at the time I was just standing there.
And I mean, I was probably what, I would have only been young
20s. Yeah.
And he just married or whatever, or maybe not even married.
And yeah, I put, I was like, jeez.
And I put my credit card down on his room.
So young 14 year old Scotty James, you know, he could have
went wild on my credit card if he wanted to, I suppose.
But yeah, that was the first first time I actually met him.
And it's funny because like in later life, when I run into him
at different Red Bull things over the years, like he's
brought it up a few times. Like has he?
Because as a young guy, that's what you you remember those
first scenes that would. Stick in his brain?
Absolutely. Yeah.
So that's where you've met him as a 14 year old?
That's where I first met him and then over, you know, I mean, he
must be nearly. Well, he's 31 now.
He's 17 years so. 14 To what do you say 31?
31 so he's 17 years old now. Sorry, sorry.
He's you've known him for 17 years.
So 17 here, yeah. So over those 17 years here and
there, different times, different events.
Yeah. And have you got to spend much
time with him as an like No. Have you done any training with
him? No, no.
OK, no. What do you know about him from
a Do you know much about him from speaking to other people
within Red Bull or within programme?
What, what? What is the reputation of Scotty
James, the athlete or the even the person?
I mean, I haven't watched the doco, but I'm assuming the doco
would have covered this. There was a, there was a point
in Scotty's career where, yeah, he he was amazing as a young kid
and multiple Olympics and doing all that.
But I think there was a deflection point where or like a
point where he just went. I'm either all in or I'm, you
know, not. And he put a team around him and
just put the effort, I suppose, in to get where he is.
And he's, you know, from my understanding of what I've, you
know, seen and heard is he's just worked hard at doing the
right things and meant like, I don't understand too much about
the mind coach stuff that he's used.
But guys out, you know, a lot of stuff in Europe, a lot of stuff,
I believe it's maybe the same guy that's in the F1.
I don't have all the history, so I'm not going to, you know, I
don't want to, I'm sure this is all in the doco, some of it.
But from my, from my perspective, I've just seen a
kid who, you know, went through to a point where he is doing
very, very well. And then it, it seemed or
appeared to me within a few months, he was suddenly just the
best in the world and, and continued to do that.
And I think it's probably a bit of a like, if this is the way I
always look at it, if you went to any winter ski field around
the globe, he is a man. Yeah, right.
But being number one in half pipe is the it's that event or
it's that discipline. You could go to Whistler, you
get any place around the globe in winter sport and he is that
guy. But he just doesn't get that in
Australia because we're just not a snow, we're just not a snow
nation, are we? It was so except for the Winter
Olympics. It's very rare that you'd ever
consider snow sports or see it. To go back on some things you
touched on there, if it, if people haven't seen the Netflix
doco, go and watch it. It is an interesting watch.
You talk about the things he's put in place.
It seems like the decision to bring his brothers into his
fold. Sean and Tim.
I think it's Sean. No, Tim.
I beg your pardon, Tim. He's actually used to work at
the same radio station I did, also within the same network.
He's a he used to be a producer then in Melbourne.
But his decision to bring Sean and Tim and make them a part of
his team for everywhere was huge.
I think his wife Chloe and and becoming a husband and a father
and all the rest of that has also been a part of it.
I think that was later though he made the the switch was prior to
that he his performance switch. You're talking about
performance? Yeah, absolutely.
I want to do a hypothetical exercise with you quickly.
Yeah. If Scotty James, who's won a
this is Olympics #5 he's 31 years of age.
If he's already won a bronze and a silver in his event, if he
brings home a gold, where does he sit?
In our Athlete Hall of Fame on our athlete bookshelf.
It's an interesting one. Because, and let me preface this
by saying, I think on our Olympic bookshelf, I think
there's an, I'll explain it, justify this.
I actually think there's only two athletes on the top shelf.
And I and I say that from a not just the number of gold medals,
but from a legacy, the way they're held, the reverence with
which they're held and the true stardom with which they reached.
I've only got 2 up on that top shelf.
And one's gonna be Kathy 1's. Kathy and and with all due
respect to the sort of the older athletes like Betty Cuthbert and
Shirley Strickland, undeniable, but that was kind of before
athletes became superstars. So they are on a lower shelf.
Can I guess a second? Yeah.
Thorpe, Thorpe. They're the only two athletes I
have on that level. I think.
McKeon. Is that, is that because?
So my question on that is, is that because of Sydney?
Is that because? Of I think, I think it's a part
of it. I think it's a part of it.
I think Sydney performance at the home Olympics weighs heavily
into that and I just think. See, I see, I see Kieran Perkins
as a swimmer, Yep, on that pedestal because it's a
generation before, but he was doing things at a time where we
were. And don't quote me on the
number, we can look it up, but remember the time when Australia
we only win a few gold medals. In the Olympic Games.
So you had 5 heroes? Our appetite's changed, hasn't
it? That that if I said one thing
about the Olympic Games, it's me growing up as a kid watching it
and wanting to go to an Olympic Games and looking at, you know,
what you'd consider heroes and who they are like.
I'm talking a young kid. That's the biggest thing that's
changed with Australian sport over time.
And I think the second biggest change was then social media.
But the first biggest change with when we're talking Olympic
sports here was the saturation of gold medals made it harder
for anyone else beyond that to then beyond the Sydney Olympics
to then kind of get that same foothold of stardom.
It was the same at Sydney. We want to shoot like a lot of
medals too, but because it was a home Olympics and you had those
few stand outs, they will last forever.
But ever since then, I think it's been a tough ask for anyone
else because you can go like enemies.
Enemies is I have her on the shelf, I have her on the
bookshelf. She's not up there.
She's probably sitting. 3rd or 4th shelf from the top if
enemies was pre Sydney 2000. Different different stories.
I agree. Saturation of our sport, of our,
of our Olympic gold has killed our heroes well.
Emma McCain's a proof that it's not just about quantity,
correct? Because she is our most
successful Olympian ever. But I don't think she sits on
that same top shelf alongside Kathy or Thorpey.
She probably doesn't even get there alongside Betty Cuthbert
and those you know, those athletes have have bygone eras.
Jess Fox is an interesting case study in this because the
darling of the Olympic setup for probably the last two games, the
sport that she competes in has not for her sake, but
artificially manufactured greater medal winning chances,
which means Jess's hall has swelled.
I think Jess, Jess's personality and her team, the way she
presents herself, she has the capacity to reach the Thorpy and
Freeman celebratory level. I don't she's not there.
In my opinion, she is one of our greatest Olympians, but she's
not on that top shelf. To go back to Scotty.
Yep. And sorry to say, with with
Kieran, the performances are undeniable.
I don't have him on that fame level.
I don't think his fame hit the Thorpy and Cathy point.
I don't think he was ever. He was big.
At those Olympics, though, I. Yes, but I don't think it quite
carries, Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm also wondering
whether it's, it's your generation, that course, you
know, of course which generation you go through.
Courtney I can only speak for my generation.
I'm not going to speak for anyone else's.
Perkins Susie To another extent, Susie, you know, and it's a very
it's a very jam packed star started second shelf down.
So why Thorpy over the rest? I just think I mean.
Does it come down to the marketability and PR of?
The well, not that's not the only factor, but it is a factor.
It is a factor and I think I I you know what also a part of it
the this is going to sound weird and self serving because I
commentate sport. The commentary moment matters.
Yes, here comes Thorpe. Yeah, I can hear the commentary
as he swam down Gary Hall. Junior.
I can hear you and him rising out of the like.
All of that sticks in my memory. I can hear Bruce calling Kathy
around the home straight. It's the stickiness of the
moment. Yeah, but.
And yes, Perkins had that from my night and I can recall part
of that anyway, no, if it's if it.
Does no interestingly around that because I the more we've
just talked about this, the more I can actually see it's the
market, the marketing, you're right on the moment, the
commentary, but it's also, you know, the build up to that
event. But then it's also one of those
two athletes got in common that you just said.
Both wore unique suits that are memorable and no one else wore
good in the full black. All black added as everyone
else, Speedo. Kathy in the hood.
And Kathy wore the hood, the only person you've pretty much
ever seen that. So it's all these things that I
think subconsciously add up to become.
So you're dead, right. It's not the performance is part
of it. It is.
You've got to have the best. Performance, performance.
You still got to win, but. You've got to have the hook.
The intangibles. That never is forgotten and that
has to do with the build up, but it also has to do with who they
are and that's. The narrative matters, the
narrative matters. The narrative matters.
You've really helped me. This has been enjoyable.
With that said, what would you have raised in back in your day
now knowing now the narrative matters?
It's. Still not a fall back too.
Sorry to take it all the way back to Scotty.
I don't think, as you said, we're not a snow nation, we're
not a winter nation. So he'll never make that top
shelf. But if he comes home with a gold
medal, I think he sits on that second shelf.
I think he sits next. Rundown, full complement of
Olympic medals, 5 Olympic Games, Winter Olympic Games,
undeniable. Like I made the joke on on radio
earlier this week, rename Mount Hotham.
I don't know, rename, rename it to Scotty James Mountain Mount
Scott. Something needs to be
acknowledged within that small winter community.
And I'm sure there probably are already things there named after
him, but there needs to be something more.
If he brings home a Winter Olympic gold medal in this half
pot it I think he he locks himself in as our greatest ever
Winter Olympian. See, I don't know enough about
the Winter Olympics to even know what other well.
We've had Bradbury, we've had Kemplin, yeah, we've had Dale
Beg Smith, who was Canadian. Who?
So over multiple Olympics, 100%, yeah.
But anyway, yeah, no, I agree 100% with Elaine that yes, you,
you're correct. I just don't think I still just
I, I mean, I just you see it. I mean, it's if you don't have
to think it, you just see it. Winter Olympics, it'll be on for
three weeks and everyone will talk about it, but we just.
Aren't a snow nation. We're not a snow nation.
But. Anywhere else in the world,
these guys are superstars. Let's move on from the games.
Yep, let's get into some more running stuff.
We had lots of thank you to everybody that jumped in on.
We had so many comments off the back of last week.
Yeah, I'm conscious of the time because we want to get through.
We want, we want to get through. We got.
Yeah, probably too much. That's OK, We're going to always
come back. We'll get to it.
First one is did you go down the beach to watch The Iron Man?
The weekend, well I mean I as much as I want to get to some
running chat. No, no, no, no.
The reason is because I'm going to talk about Joshie Minogue.
Yes, I went down there Ally Day, just quickly talking about
Kathy, what I witnessed on the Sunday, last Sunday, Ally Day
that was, that is one of the best sporting fairy tales I've
ever seen. Agreed, I will keep this short.
Agreed. Still not Trevor Handy.
What do you mean? No, no, we're talking about the
performances 100%. But he's still never going to be
Trevor Hendy because of the time when Trevor Hendy and Guy Leach
and. The Mercer's.
Never going to be the same because it's all about the
moments. And I probably be honest, I was
down there for the moment on Sunday and it was amazing.
I I I 100% agree and Ali it. Was amazing.
Absolutely. Crush it, Shannon.
Next time. Yeah, You would have said the
same thing about him when he finished up and won.
Yeah. Three.
Well, no, probably a little bit longer ago, but there's still
never been a time like when PR had Iron Men on their breakfast
cereal boxes and it was it was on every weekend.
It's a good point. But Josh, he mean, I obviously
down there commentating, yes, you obviously ran into him.
Yeah. He wrote into us and said he
want to just say thank you. Thank you.
He appreciated the call. At last because he commentated
the Billy Swim run as well with toy.
But he will let's just before we get into the your Milo stuff,
that Apex stuff, I said I wouldn't, I wouldn't mention
again, but Josh is written in. He's going to put in his two
bobs 2 seconds, right? Personally, he thinks we should
expand it to the bench. OK, so keeping the 10 by 110
bench? He reckons that it should, like
I like me, come down to a 240. Marathon Marathon should be a
lower 1240 marathon time. Even down to 232. 30's insane.
But if you want to make it real and you these, you're calling
yourself hybrid athletes and it's the best of the best.
What about swimming sub 404 hundred metres sub.
Four minute 400 metres right. Yep, 25 body weight chins with a
no break. OK, right.
And then just to throw it in the mix, because, you know, if
you're throwing everything in the mix, why not have a sub 90
girlfriend? That'll be the hardest one for a
lot of people to break 90. If you really want to be all
rounder, if you want to go. We still have to have our golf
challenge. We.
We do. We still have to have our golf
challenge. Courtney reckons he can knock me
off on the. Golf course and just and then
the last thing I want to say and we less than try not to mention
it again. OK, but Jake Bart wrote in and
he he sent me a that's a reel and I'm not even going to
mention who the reel was, but he said absolute apex athlete.
And I don't know whether you were taking the piss a little
bit Jake or not, but if you weren't sorry, can't agree with
you. Yeah, this person, 2/26 marathon
telling everyone he can do that on Yeah, on a treadmill.
Nah doesn't count. On a random treadmill in the
gym. Nah, shut up, come on.
Doesn't count. Come on.
Just Alex Rigby's son's high performance.
Who's waiting on this APX athletes stuff before I was
having a chat with him down at the beach.
Oh yeah, And Kurt Tippett. Oh yeah, Tippet, big Tippet was
there as well. And Tippet said he wasn't much
of A bench press guy on his day, but he was.
He was more of a chin up guy but reckons that he maxed out his
bench at about 1:30 for context. For one Rep.
For like that was his three Rep. 3 reps 3 reps They use three
reps. Yeah, they use a three way Max
so. He's a big lad, He's a.
Big human being. Anyway, let's talk some running.
Yeah, so your Milo tips mate, everyone, this is what probably
most of the stuff's coming about.
First one, Luke Cusack. Yep.
Loving all the T100 chats. Great.
And then he said, Liam, just wear the balloon if it's only to
piss Courtney off. I'm wearing the balloon.
This is at the T110K race. I'm going to.
I'm going to take scissors with me if you're right.
Mate, if if you, if you're close enough to me to chop that
balloon, something's gone very wrong in your race.
I'll see you at the start line. If I see a balloon it's getting,
it's getting chopped. Again, T110K race.
Go sign up, tell them you're part of in the beginning when
you do registration. It's going to be a fun day.
And why not just on the Milo stuff?
Liam, good to get the tips from everyone, but why aren't you
getting coached properly and getting proper advice?
It's a good question. It's a good question.
Why? I don't have an answer to that.
I am going to reach out to Carl Weiss.
Carl Weiss Weiss. Never quite sure how to say Carl
surname. There's a lot of vows in there.
I'm going to reach out to Carl because I do want to have a
chat. I don't the thing.
Here's what I'll say. I like it, I like it.
I'm really enjoying. Setting my own schedule.
I've literally today we're recording and I've just come
from today's a rest day for me. I've just come from the physio
or not physio, but getting needle needling done on my
calves. No, no injuries, just
maintenance. And she asked the question how
how you fitting in all the running and the mileage around
life. And I'm like, I'm not willing to
sacrifice family time for the running.
So I'm fitting in the running. I'm running at awkward times,
I'm running in the middle of the day when it's hot.
I'm running really early in the morning on weekends.
In the trail, I'd love to get up to different spots, but the
beauty of the border trail is its proximity to me so I can fit
it in. I guess the reason I haven't
embraced a full programme from a coach or use the coach at this
point is because I don't know how hard I can commit to
whatever it is they're going to prescribe.
It's an interesting one. I don't know, like if if I go
and see Kyle or if I went and saw Bonita or Eddie Gordon or
something like that and they started laying out, well, here's
what you need to do and here's where you need to go and do it.
I don't know if I can commit to that.
I, I don't know if with, because I'm back into work mode, I'll be
back into calling footy on weekends too as well.
My kids are back at school. I've got all these other like
most recreational runners, I've got all these things.
I know that. Coach would prepare me better
for this race. I know I've been through half of
a programme with Benita and I already saw the difference
between using an AI generated programme versus using a
personal coach. Advocate for that lace up
running. If you're looking for a coach,
go check out Benita and her team.
But at the moment I'm progressing well.
I'm building the case, I'm building the time on my feet.
I'm being disciplined enough. I feel like I've made enough
mistakes in my running previously that I know what not
to be doing at least. And I'm also conscious that this
event is less about, well, it's not less about, it's not about
time, it's about finishing. And I'm prepared that I'm I'd
rather get to the line under prepared, having kept a balance
in the lead up. Yep, than losing that balance to
maybe finish an hour faster. That was a long winded way of
saying I don't have a catch. I can't disagree.
Yeah, I mean, I I do still think, I still think guidance
and what you're getting right from every unit, just taking it
on from everyone. And if you don't trust me, if
you don't, there's guidance. Out there and it's getting to
me. If you don't, If you don't
think, if you don't think you need the motivation and the
accountability from the coach and you want to do it your way,
go for it. I mean, that's that's another
way to attack it, right. And you can get a lot of self
self satisfaction out of doing it that way as well.
And that sounds like you know that for everything.
I just heard that that. Sounds what you weren't.
We got one comment and this will inform we'll talk about this
today and I'll I want to get your thoughts.
This is probably where a coach could answer these questions,
but I like talking about it with you.
Eco Romeo or Romeo Eco Romeo, I don't know how to say where.
This is nice. This is a comment from last
week's episode. Nice discussion on the mile of
training. My 2 cents. 1A mile of training
isn't that different from marathon training, only has
longer long runs. Also you are carrying on fitness
from prior training 2 and this is where I want to get with you
today. Nutrition is king.
You can show up physically under trained and still finish it, but
if you haven't trained your gut to keep fueling all the way you
won't finish. Cheers.
Yep, fuelling this is what I want to talk about, that idea of
training gut. Now I went for some of my runs.
In fact my one of my runs earlier this week, I tried is it
Morton? Morton, The Morton Gels.
Yeah, First time I've used them really different.
I hadn't, Hadn't I ever. Who did I give the Morton to?
Oh, Bronte. OK.
You gave them to Bronte really different.
It's it's very, very different from those goo gels that I've
been using previously. Yeah, well, it's like a Jelly.
It's almost a jel. It's a Jelly as opposed to a
syrup. Yes, a thick syrup.
Didn't like it. Didn't like the texture, didn't
like the texture. Can go one or two ways.
Felt good though, like I've made sure I consumed it with liquid,
made it much easier. Didn't like the Jelly texture.
But this idea of training my gut to run and training my gut to
consume food, I've been trying this week.
Like I basically just eat then run.
So like I'm, I'm having, I'm not, I'm waking up or I'm, if I
get home, just if this is a 12:00 PM run, I'll get home and
I'll have my omelette or my sandwich or whatever it is I'm
having for lunch and then I'll just go.
Is that training my gut? I would say I mean yes.
Common sense would say yes. That's what I'm applying right
now. That's.
Not a technical answer, but common sense would.
If you're at an aid station and you need to eat, Yeah.
I'm just wondering if you're, if you're feeling your gut, if
you're feeling your stomach up when you haven't run yet and
it's like what's at rest? Is it a whole different scenario
when you're then within a race? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK. So it's not so much the yeah,
because we are applying common sense, not nutritional health
expertise. And this is another place where
I think the coach or a like a proper dietitian would give it
will steer you. And depending on which way you
want to go with this can steer you in two very different
directions because you could go to a sports dietitian and
they're going to they're going to lay out the most perfect
preparation of, you know, sports drinks, gels, probably a little
bit of solid food in there as well.
But probably I still think leaning towards very simple, you
know, like utilising sports bars and things like that.
So it's still, you know, low fat, very performance orientated
is if you want to try and win the race.
OK, I'm going to go the opposite way and go some of my
experiences, what I've seen with elites and at like coast to
coast and some of these longer races, especially when they can
be cold at night and things like that, is having the comfort of
proper food and being able to stomach that is going to be a
huge benefit to you and be able to like that same difference of
his like, yeah, this mightn't be like the perfect performance mix
to Mars Bar might taste really. Good and be.
And could be good mentally for you at that stage.
Or, you know, if it's a really hot day, someone brought you a
slushie, Yeah, it might be like the perfect sports drink mix.
But that might be the thing that actually at that point in time
can really mentally help you get across that hot day.
Yeah, that's where I think you, you, you know, you should just
start to try and explore as to what foods when you get into
those really long runs, resonate with you.
Is it savoury? Is it sausage rolls?
Is it, what is it? Yeah, you're gonna be out there
a long. Time I'll tell you what has been
resonating with me on these runs and post runs and I've grabbed
one pre run I was doing just A16K the other day I had a
couple of Mortons along the run and second Morton.
I was like I had I wasn't near a bubbler or anything.
I didn't have any water with me and I was like this.
I don't want to just. So the Mortons are actually made
the the the the gel formulator is actually so you don't
necessarily. Yeah, but I hate the texture of
them. You should just go to go to ASIS
or something, yeah. My I am all aboard Maximus.
I can't. I am team.
Like I don't know if they sponsor 41 year old amateur
athletes that don't really ever finish anywhere, you know,
forward of the top half of a race.
But if Maximus are interested, I'm calling you I I have
invested I I have I love them. Now I am in shout out to
Gatorade and parade as well. But right now like and what I
respect. We got like someone remember
when we talked, I was comparing them all and there was like,
it's not necessarily the perfect one, no, but it's the best 1.
I don't care. You know what?
I. What's in it?
I love all the flavours, I really do.
What I respect most about the flavours, particularly two of
them, is the blue one. Do you know what the blue one's
called? I've never really taken notice.
Blue Blast. Blue, hot blue.
Do you know what the red one's called?
Red. Red.
I respect that. The green one is the green one
is lime. The yellow one is mango passion.
They got a bit fruity on that one, but I just love that this
one is high Maximus Blue. There's no, there's no mountain.
Do you know what the what's even been great is they now do.
They do a couple sugar free ones.
Yeah, but you know. But if you're running, take go
for the full hog Yes, but what if you're just wanting an
electrolyte drink and you do love the taste too?
You can still just grab one and and you have to worry about the
calories so like. It's I'm on board Maximus.
I've I've had so much like again, it's not and now it's
almost I'm almost brand loyal. It's not a case of going these
are more costs they. Also do good deals when they're
on on tufa tufa. The IGA around the corner from
me, yeah, like $2.00 forties. When they do TUFA, they're good.
You know, Coles like for some reason got booted out of Kohl's.
Yeah, well, they're in IGIS. You can still get.
They're in IGIS now. Coles took them off their off.
The ship Anyway, sorry to to sum up though, my training continues
to progress nicely. The I'm I've had a bit of it's
interesting because I've for the first time in a long time, we
talked about how Strava can make you feel like you're not running
fast enough. At the moment, I'm having
moments where Strava makes me feel like I'm not running long
enough because other people that I know are doing the Mylar are
posting them their their weekly titles.
And I see myself kind of falling behind them.
And I was like, Oh no, I did 60 KS last week, he did 87.
And and that's the trap, isn't it?
So. I'm just but it's OK, but I'm
processing it. I know that's how I'm feeling
about it all now and again. I'm enjoying the running.
I'm continuing to. I will bring.
I promise I next episode I will bring some more golden people
want to keep sending them in. Please don't.
But I'm going to bring. I am reaching out to some
verified endurance mile of ultra athletes and I'm going to keep
bringing more of their thoughts on on the Milo to the podcast.
Yeah, Wayne, who was questioning you about not getting a coach,
also said don't underestimate the downhill.
Say he's done the UTA 50 a few times.
And I mean, I know this from doing it as well.
Yeah, obviously uphill is so important, but it's the downhill
that actually destroys your quads.
Wayne, I've done the I've done the UTA 50 twice.
Love that race. I'm well aware of the 8K section
you're referring to where you descend a long long way over the
8 kilometres. First time I did I'm like how
good is the free speed and then you have to climb out And Yep,
I'm aware of what it does to you, to your quads.
Wonder if the last we've we've talked about this 100% because I
still would be in the top few on that downhill.
Really. Yeah, I said I was #1 and then I
think Ben is, someone corrected me.
You know, I was like, no, someone got that, got that
segment since then. But I'm probably assuming the
last few years, a few young whippets might have even flying
down, even gone quicker. Ben Mack MC.
Ben MC. Yes.
I just want to work this one out Liam.
This one got me interested in this comment because he said
free tip for Liam from me. Another Ben.
Just wear the bottle, that's all you need.
The lid will get you home. Works every.
Time there's a community of listeners right now who are
laughing because they understand it.
I get it. You don't bottle it.
This is Bo Jones bottle it the organised the the sort of the.
Mental health where the bottle lid Yes, wear the.
Bottle of bread, you know, it's the thing I raised him.
We talked about the floral, the floral kit that I wear at Noosa,
the hat, that's what. He's I read this and thought I'm
a losing my mind. What have we talked about?
You lose him carrying a bottle. You're losing a little bit, hey?
Paul Rwinski also jumped in and said.
I was one of those who yelled out to you.
Courtney the other week was travelling from Adelaide for
work and always packed my running gear, so it was
serendipitous to see you that morning.
Yes. Running around you get you got
the shout out on the street. Yes, Paul, you should have said
where I. I assume it was in.
No, it wasn't in Adelaide. No, but he was travelling from
Adelaide. Yeah, for work.
On the Gold Coast, I assume? Maybe.
Yeah, anyway. Yeah.
Thanks, Paul. Let's keep running through it's.
Been nice. It's a life when people, yeah,
like, no. Well, I was in Perth last week
too. Oh.
That's right. Jeez, we've got some comments
today, haven't we? You talk about your what?
You talk about where your running's got.
And you have a bit of a scam. Well, I have a look at where the
JD HS thesis that he's written. This is worth sharing.
You keep Tell us a bit about your running week.
Yeah, and also Simon there about the gym.
They heard you. Oh.
Sorry. OK, this is another one of my
agency ideas. Well, I technically I stole this
one from Rihanna Cran. Yeah, but I'm also pretty sure
that Anytime Fitness or whichever, which gym is it?
Anytime Fitness? Yeah, I had this plan before.
No, I don't think they do. I think.
But my point it's not that idea. So anyone listening a lot my?
Point is that if we can create this idea agency running based
idea agency now any future ideas we can get actually.
Get the Commission. Yeah, apparently AI is trying to
do this or ChatGPT is trying to do this where they're trying to
find a way to legally take a clip of any ideas that get
generated through ChatGPT that people go on to turn into
business. Really.
That's what I'd like to do here on the podcast, is that.
True. Or is that you've just seen it
on somewhere? I heard it somewhere.
It might be fake news, but the point is I'd like to do the same
here on this podcast. Any ideas that I toss out to the
ether? I'd like to be legally
compensated for if someone like Anytime Fitness, who apparently
is setting up a gym in the new Sydney airport.
So I wonder if that's in the the re, some of the remodel of the
current Sydney or her or this is the Western Sydney Airport.
It'd fit more in Kingsford Smith than Western Sydney.
Western Sydney. A bit Western Sydney.
Simon Mackley picked us up on that one.
Thank you, Simon. Now JDH, I'm going to play into
this and Courtney, if at any point you decide it's not worth
it, you just, you give me that special.
I've read through this. This is a recap of hot rocks,
OK? We asked this a couple of weeks
ago because we talked a bit about high rocks and the
uniformity of the event. That's what makes it so
transferable throughout all these cities.
We talked about the idea of whether or not a city will start
to differentiate the experience of their high rocks to make it
worth travelling to. Now JDH has obviously gone over
and done high rocks and he said since you're talking about
Auckland high rocks, last step I gave him a race review of it.
He flew over from Townsville and he used it as a holiday feud.
So this is it lines up with the kind of the travel.
Yeah, travel. Fitness Fitness First High Rocks
Race. He'd been running for five years
and he did about 60 KA week. OK, so he's got good, good
kilometres under his belt. He's been doing a bit of gym for
just under a year. The event was organised
amazingly. Information in the lead up was
clear on plenty of communication on what to do, how to get there
etc. They did a guided tour the day
before which made it very easy to navigate the venue, including
a full run through of each station and how to do each
activity within the rules. Even though we continue to see
those videos come out of people apparently cheating.
Event day DJ playing, great vibes.
Plenty of stuff to help guide and direct.
No lines to check in. Huge merch area, plenty of
options for coffee, food etcetera beforehand.
Toilets everywhere. Dedicated warm up zone.
Waves were 10 minutes apart and well coordinated.
The course was a 1K outside loop.
That's what you thought they did Courtney.
He loved it, getting to run and see everything going on.
Coming from far North Queensland, the New Zealand
summer running was cool for him. Some runners were struggling
with the heat and as this is a running podcast he won't go on
about the stations, the gym stuff, but they're especially
tough, especially ending with 100 war balls.
That does sound horrible. Super supportive crew throughout
the stations and at the finish line.
Photographers everywhere throughout the station.
Needless to say, I think he's impressed.
Queenstown and now he's he had a great time and now he's enjoying
his holiday. Yep, sounds like they do it.
Well, it sounds like they do. They do.
Really, Really. I've only been to 1 and it was
Brisbane. And yeah, I mean, remember we
talked about the German efficiency of how they even
cross the track. I mean, they run it like
clockwork. We, we, we, we joke about high
rocks. But like, at the moment, you
know, they run a great event and that's why they're getting,
that's why they're getting people well done.
Thank you for the review, JDA. Yep, now you're running.
Yep, got 1. Where are you at?
Ticking along, I think went through up to about 6.
I think I went about around 60 K last week and I had to travel a
few days as well. Still doing the gym, yeah,
couple of swims, all that's going on, but I'll, I'll focus
on. You're about due to give us a
session to run, actually. Yeah, well, here's my session.
Now, not everyone's going to agree with this session.
It's time for Courtney's session.
I'm really got to get some more reproductions going.
Really. Yeah, Come.
On. But it's not really a session.
We'll talk us through it and we'll and I'll and I'll figure
out if it's a session instead. Of doing my long run.
I've kind of fallen into the habit the last few weeks of
going out to the forest and instead of just running around
without a purpose and just doing a long run generally, which I'd
normally do through the singles, I've done the 17 K loop we've
talked about which is quite hilly, so it's got about 600
metres of elevation on it. So it's a tough little 17 K give
or take loop. You make it look a lot easier
than it is. I've I've seen your time.
I was, I'm watching the runs that you've been doing these,
these effort, hill stride things you've been doing on this place.
Yeah, So what I've, what I've gone out to do, I'm like, I'm
not running anywhere near the volume I used to right now.
So I want to make every run kind of count a little bit.
OK, So with this 17 K loop over the last few weeks, what I've
done is I've warned my heart rate monitor and I've gone I'm
not going to run it fart like like best pace up the hill, but
I am going to treat it a little bit more like a fart like 17 K
where up the hills I run, but making sure I keep my heart rate
in 140 to 150 zone for me. So I don't want I don't allow it
to go over 150 at all. So that just really moderates
what I'm doing uphill, though, it's probably, you know, that
wanky zone two term for me. That's probably in that area,
give or take, but it's quite comfortably running.
Still. It's not doing anything to her.
But then when I, I go over the hill, when I'm on the downhill
or on some of the flatter sections, I'm making sure I
still maintain my pace and then don't let my heart rate drop
below 130. OK, so I'm doing a very, I'm so
where I'm going with this is I'm treating all my runs at the
moment. I'm actually focused with a
heart rate monitor on hitting specific things.
I'm not going out there. I'm trying to do with the
limited running compared to usual that I'm doing.
I'm trying to make the most. Out of it, let's let me try and
convert this into some sort of a session for people.
How aware of your heart rate zones are you?
I mean, right now you personally.
I've got a massive history with heart rate, OK?
So you know what zone 2 is? You know what?
140 to 100. And 50 and I also know it's.
A training zone for you? With my fitness at the moment,
OK, I won't. So normally if I was doing that
and I was super fit, maybe running around there two years
ago, I'd probably allow my heart rate to go to 153 and be
comfortable. I'm not over producing lactate
or anything at that. Whereas now, because I know I'm
not as fit, I'm not as much running.
I'm conservative on that and want to hold my heart right
back, you know? So you're trying to stay out of
your lactate zone? Pretty much trying to not
produce lactate, but just like laying those, you know, building
blocks of the aerobic system. Yeah.
How and so? Is it?
Is it the 17 K distance? Just because that's the distance
of the. Loop Yeah, yeah, that's that's
purely purely OK There's no there's no hard science behind
this. It's just that 17 K is get you
around the loop. Yep, it's a loop.
We've I've done see, this is a big one too, is like, I love
mixing up my running to this sense of like running and well,
if I said to you, yeah, I'm running a different location, do
different trails and whatever else.
But when you're also then trying to get into, it's also really
good to know courses and be able to look back at you know how.
We talk about this benchmarking. Benchmarking yourself, and I'm
not. I think you can get really
caught up if you're trying to benchmark and do a PB all the
time 'cause then it starts to make you want to push, push,
push. But what I'm doing, I'm not
trying to run as fast as I can. I'm not trying to do the best
run I can. I'm just actually holding a
heart rate and then I can actually look over time of where
that is and how each week that's progressing.
So a win in that could be actually I run no, no quicker
next week on that site. If I went out this week and did
it, I don't run any quicker. But if my heart rate is 3 beats
lower across all those sections, then that's a.
Win. It's in effect the PB.
Just on that, how I love that idea of benchmarking.
What you just we've talked about benchmarking before, but we just
said then about benchmarking doesn't always mean running a
PB. No, there's a difference between
it. Depends what the purpose.
Seeing where you're at against Or can I go and set a new PB
over this 5K park run which it is for a lot of?
People So again, this isn't like I'm not optimally like this is
the optimal running week, but I'm looking at OK, T100 is
coming up yeah, getting trying to get myself reasonably
competitive quickly and with the the amount of running I want to
be able to do or will only do because I'm still limiting my
running to a degree yeah, going to really make the most out of
it. So that's turned into my long
run. My long run's turned into a very
specific session. Is there any heart rate creep in
there bracket sort of, you know, zone creep where you, you know,
we talk about. Not in that one.
I mean the other day I had definitely had heart rate creep
when I said I did that 8K tempo back.
Yep, IA 100% got it there. But no, this is well within my
zones where I can manage, you know?
For context, and I think there's a session in there for people.
If you can work out if you can find a, a loop wherever you are
that engages some hills and you can access a whether you're just
working off your wrist watch where you watch heart rate
monitor sensor or you've got a chest strap.
I think you can probably engage the idea of a session that
involves pushing on, maintaining a heart rate zone, uphills and
downhills, and using that as a training session so you're not
guessed at the end and. The other thing I'm doing at the
moment that you wouldn't notice if you're watching along on
Strava is I'm doing strikes. Yes, I have.
Yeah, and it's something I haven't done in years and years
and years. And how am I running them, How
good they are? I don't know, but it does seem
to. It feels like my hips are
opening up a little bit after the kind of easier runs when
I've been doing them. Definitely not running anywhere
near. I'm not getting the speed back
as quick as what I would have previously.
But I think the next, the next kind of evolution of something
that I would probably throw in then is, and I'm not doing any
of this is drills. Sound like actual running drills
within that session or within the strides just to mix it up
and get a little bit. Not for the purpose of trying to
go any quicker, but just to start to get patterning better.
OK, so things are looking up running on my hips.
Yeah. Quickly, I love that.
I love that this is I mean, everybody would joke a little
bit, but it's great to have both of us injury free for an
extended period of time. Touchwood, I couple more things
I want to share with you quickly how we go over time.
This is a bit of a little bit of a long one, but I've got two
things I want to share with you. Can I give the quickly give a
shout out to George, who's the producer of our radio show on
Triple M Gold who came to me the other week and you know how much
I love to come across as an expert.
George has been running. He runs about three times a week
and he came to me and he said, Liam, I want to improve my
running. I said great.
I said, what do you do? He's like, I usually run about 3
* a week. I could do about 10 KS.
I'm like great. And what do they look like?
He's like I just run what, mate? Fantastic.
Really easy ways to improve your running If you just change a
couple of these and you go all the way back to what you and I
talked about early stages of this podcast of in making one of
those runs, a tempo run and making one of those runs, an
interval run. And then suddenly you're awake
with no extra running sessions. You're running the same
distance, but there's more intention behind what you're
running. And I walked him through a mono
fart leg, right? I, I showed it to him.
I helped him put punch into his watch, walked him through it.
He came to me. He came to.
Me the last week and he's like, hey, those fart leg sessions?
I said yeah, yes. Are you meant to be gassed at
the end of it? And I said, yeah, you are.
He's like, yeah, I was, I'm like, good.
That means you've. He goes, yeah, like really
gassed. I'm like, that's great, yeah.
And I'm like, now you adjust your pace, but if you could get
through it, great. If you couldn't slow down a bit,
now he's like, I don't think I need to slow down a bit.
He's like but I just wanted to check 'cause.
Something's better than nothing. That's that's as tired as I've
been for a long time after a run.
I'm like, that's good. You're showing your body how to,
you know, change stuff. The other one I wanted to share
with you is a post that my brother sent through.
Now I don't have the audio. I didn't get it to you.
I apologise. I'm going to play this through
my phone into the microphone. OK, this is about and I reckon
you'll be the right generation to appreciate.
This OK? No.
No, no, We talked a little bit about generational stuff on this
project. I think you'll be the right
generation. It's about what watches are for
runners these days. OK, Cheers are.
Basically expensive time ago. You ready?
One just said that fitness watches are basically expensive
tamagotchis, but the stupid animal you're trying to keep
alive is yourself. And now I can't hear that.
No one just said. That someone just you're.
Gonna have to translate. It someone just said that
fitness watches are just like tamagotchis.
Yeah, yeah, except that the stupid animal you try to keep
alive is yourself. How?
Perfect. Is that pretty much?
Apple Watches, garments, poles, whatever you're using, all the
data that's on there, the sleep information, your heart rate,
all that sort of stuff. It is a Tamagotchi, except you
are the pet. You're.
Going to have to give me so maybe I'll miss this in
generations. Don't you remember?
What Tamagotchis were? No.
Oh, what? I've heard the name.
You know what? When you said Tamagotchi, what I
was thinking, what's that new furry little animal that
everyone lines up for at the moment?
Oh the for Lulu, Lulu for Boo Boo the Boo Foo.
Yeah, that thing. The the, what are they called?
Yeah, too boos, something like that.
That was that was the brand that all the cool kids wore back in
the day. What are they called?
Lafoofoo. Lubu.
Lubu.
I don't know, Lubu.
You've got young kids. Lubu.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking.
No, the tamagotchis were the little eggs that had like a
computer game and it was like a pet and you have to basically
feed it and clean up its poop and play with it to keep it
interested. And it would.
Now you're looking at it I've seen just recently.
It must be a nostalgic thing. I've seen a few kids with these.
Right. I've never seen that in my life.
You've never. What do you mean?
Until recently, when I've seen a few kids get it for Christmas
presents at. What year were you born?
79. Oh no, you would have been too
often conscious. They came out in 96.
I was leaving high school. Yeah, you off to you off to
compete as a professional. Try actually.
If I was, if I had that, if I was walking around with that, I
can tell you what would happen in 1996, mate.
I wouldn't. Oh my nose wouldn't be as.
Strange. No?
Exactly right. Yeah, it would have been
embarrassing. Righto.
Good EP. Good EP today.
Fun EP. We are on the countdown.
Winter Olympics are here if you're watching.
Enjoy, I am inside 100 days now until my mylar so I'm going to
come. Quick, someone asked us because
we, you know, we do these little mini series leading up to events
and they're like, oh, you know, they would love to hear one from
the Mylar, but we're also focused on T100.
We're focusing in on T100 and we might look into something else
after the the T100 it. Is also.
I'm just thinking. It's got me thinking.
Anyway, let's leave it there. Got you thinking.
It's got me thinking. I love it when Courtney thinks.
It's got me thinking. All right.
And if anyone would like to help me come up with a name for my
idea agency and help me find a way to make money, I'll give you
a hot tip. Oh, what?
If you want an ideas agency, you've got to stop saying them
on the podcast. But I don't want it because
that's when the best ideas come out.
All right, we'll see you next week.
See you next week.