In the beginning at 22. Courtney, mate, what's going on
with your nose? Well funny ass out I just heard
just got a bit chopped off it. I've got a biopsy.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
So when do we find out about that?
Well, hopefully it's good news in two weeks, but I don't think
it's a real bad one. But you know what?
They, you know, these days they seem just to like they see them
all and just go, oh, we better. Take it out just in case it's
that's no need to disappear down this path right now.
But runners out there, if you haven't had your skin checked,
go do it. It's, it's a super quick thing,
but you know, if we run outside in the heat, in the sun.
It it's probably a good thing to be a bit.
I always wear hats. Yeah, I I don't wear sun cream.
Don't you no not see, I think I religiously.
Yeah, but if I went to the beach in the middle of the day, I
would sure be in the morning running, even though obviously I
had at 8:30. Gotcha.
So I got out on a Monday, this week's shirt off up in the spit.
Oh yeah, purposely Browning up a.
Bit very nice. I shouldn't.
Say that, but I was. Letting it get bitter?
You meant to have vitamin D? Yep, the body.
The human body is meant to take in some vitamin D.
Yeah, You know, I thought, I thought I was getting away with
it for all that you spent, one, in the beach, in the surf, and
then two, you think about cycling for years we spent like,
you know, 15 hours a week out with our arms exposed.
Thought I got away with this. But just lately I'm starting to
see some of the the effects. Well, I'm glad.
I'm glad that things are hopefully OK, but.
Yeah, that should be fine mate. I'm I'm interested.
Do you always run your long runs on a Sunday?
I'd say except. For last week.
I'd say yeah, I'd say 90% of the weeks I run my long run Sunday.
Yep, except what happened last Sunday.
Well, last Sunday, you and I. It's finally going to run
together this. Is why you put it at the top.
No, we haven't been for a run together for a while.
And back story again if you missed the last episode, I'm
doing this eight week challenge. No booze, Whole Foods, clean
eating, trying to see, you know what sort of shape I can get
myself into in an 8 week process.
As part of that, I'm obviously off the booze and we had a 40th
birthday last Saturday night. Yep.
Now you and I had sent you a message.
We were meant to go up into the Norring Trails, do the 17 K
loop. I was looking to get 20 KS
couple of two hours out there on the trails.
That was what I was looking to do with some nice elevation.
I said come for a run. We'd lined it up. 530 start.
I ended up at a 40th with my wife.
It's her. It was her best friend's
husband's 40th, about an hour away up the M1, and it got to
about 9:30 and we'd been there for 3 1/2 hours and I was like
starting. I started doing the maths.
It's going to take me an hour to drive home, then probably add on
another half an hour to get to sleep.
I'm not getting to sleep till 11.
If I need to make Courtney at 5:30, I probably need to wake up
at 4:30. Suddenly I'm operating on 4 1/2
hours sleep. This is starting to become
unfeasible. And your whole week you get up
at 3:30. And my every week with a four
3:30 AM alarm. And then I said to I kind of
tried the old subtle hint to my wife by saying, I'm actually a
bit tired. I'm sure you ever lie down in
the car? I'm just a bit sleepy and I
don't want to fall asleep on the drive home.
She's like, all right, all right, I'll I'll finish this
beer and we'll go. I'm like, no, no, no, don't
rush. And I went down, fell asleep in
the car, woke up an hour and a half later and it's 11:00.
I texted you and said, mate, I'm not making this run tomorrow
morning. Yeah.
And as it was, I think I got to sleep at 1:00 AM.
So I would have been working off about 3 1/2 hours sleep.
Wouldn't have been great. Before we went for our run.
I I got that message in the car park while I was waiting for
you, but it didn't matter because I got out to run anyway.
But the reason I'm asking is like the reason we all do our
long runs on Sundays. It's kind of like in Australian
running structure, you know, as everyone's structure said, we
for some reason, everyone's always done their long run on a
Sunday. So it's kind of reason.
I would suggest the reason originally is when you work, if
you're going to run longer, it gives you more time on a Sunday
to do it. But a challenge now is this, you
know, with people running with families or just running for
amateur reason. Is this outdated?
Should you? Would you get more?
Would it be a better weekend for you if you chose to do your long
run on a Saturday morning? I think, I think the great
thing, and there's probably, I know there are people listening
to this on their long run right now and I know so that there are
people who think this doesn't go for long enough because they're
only halfway through their long run and the podcast finishes up.
So apologies, but no, we're not going to start talking for 2 1/2
hours. Look, I, my attitude, I've
never, I guess I've never actually stuck to long run on
Sunday because I thought it's what's physically best for me.
I've just kind of done it because that's what everyone's
always said to do. Do you long run Sundays?
It's long run Sundays exactly. But I I've still done on the
occasion, the long run Saturdays and I, I guess I don't really
know why I do it on Sundays, except that's when everyone kind
of does it well. I, I agree it's a thing that has
become if you do a weekly structure, you know, you follow
a certain, you know, it might be Tuesday, some type of session,
Thursday, some type of session, maybe if you run three sessions,
a Saturday morning session and then you do your long run
Sunday. That's a pretty standard
Australian programme. But what's got me thinking is,
you know, if you structured your week, got out there on a
Saturday morning, got everything done and then Sunday.
Is your rest day well? Not only just, yeah, 1 is a rest
day, it could be, you know, that could be incrementally better as
well. But I'm even just thinking from
a, a balanced life point of view, if you're working and
doing all these other things, family, you get it out of the
way and then you've got the whole weekend to go off and and
do what you need to. Do I like the idea?
I can't speak to it though, from any position of authority
because the reality about radio life is that it's, I'm, I'm not
gonna sit here and try and tell people how to balance their
lives with a normal nine to five job 'cause I don't have that.
And it would be hypocritical of me to suggest that.
Oh look, you know, I've got so little time in my week.
I've got enough time in my week to do my long runs Monday to
Friday if I wanted to. That that's true.
I'm not gonna try and understand how to fit in long runs around a
normal job. OK, Yeah, fair.
You can do it if you want. No, you can call me out tonight.
I'm, I'm probably even less qualified, even less qualified
to do that, but I do. Stick.
Funny enough, I could, I could do it anytime and I could run
majority of days anytime to a degree what I like.
But I still get up at 5:00 AM, get out there at 5:30 and right
now I'm doing sessions every single day.
And it's interesting 'cause my brother when I run long run with
my brother, he sometimes switches it to Saturday morning.
And that comes from a coach he used to use for that reason.
I believe it was to do around 1 recovery and two again just
giving them people with families more time to operate on the
weekend without running taking over their.
Life. The other thing I would say
quickly on that long run is that Yep, people like doing solo long
runs. I also think the long run is
something of a is potentially for the average runner is more
of a community run than maybe there are other runs during the
week. And I would say it's easiest to
match up that long run in a group setting on a Sunday
morning. Yep, that, that's.
True as well. Because that's when it's most
convenient for most. People now that's a great segue
because you know in I'm going to bring this back from past
episodes and we've talked about yeah, we've had conversations or
discussions about whether you with coaches should have what we
what do. We, we talked about the idea
this is from very early on the idea of who to trust on as as a
coach. What, what'll like, you know,
what is it based on a recommendation from a friend or
something like this? Or have they gone to run coach
school have? They are they a run Dr Have they
been to run college? Have.
They been to run college. Funny enough, athletics.
Australia, I've just found out, well Jack, Jack who was coaching
me this morning pointed out that they have a, they have an
Instagram page, Athletics Australia coaching.
This is obviously which where they provide information to
their run students. Yeah, getting coaching advice,
have a listen to this because they've got perspective on long
distance or our long run. This week we're looking at a
study by Casado and colleagues exploring the most important
training factors that predict elite performance in long
distance runners. What was the biggest factor in
elite long distance running success?
Total running volume. The more an athlete runs, the
better they perform. In fact, 59% of performance
variation was explained by how much they ran.
This means that for long distance success, consistently
accumulating high mileage is key.
But how that mileage is structured matters too.
The chart on screen shows that although easy long run volume
had the strongest correlation with performance, tempo runs and
short interval training sessions also had a significant effect.
So high mileage may be the key to success, but there's one big
catch. It's useless.
If athletes can't or won't train, pushing mileage too high
too soon can lead to overuse injuries, mental fatigue and
loss of motivation. Have we lost our viewers yet?
Can derail progress listeners. The athletes who stay in.
No, no, no. I don't think you've lost the
listeners. It's funny listening to that,
though. So that is a run Dr, as we'll
call them, who's gone to run college and is trying to teach
students at run. College and it comes from a it
comes from a study. That's what the first part of it
was. So like it's it's a proper meta
study. No listening to that as you
talked about really interesting for for a non elite run alert
myself to hear the idea that it's it's things on you.
But hearing them pointed out slightly differently is that
mileage matters. You need the.
Mileage matters. The case under your belt, time
on your feet, it matters, right? But what also matters is how you
accumulate that time on feet. OK, so you can't just do one
thing. So it's like they both matter.
I knew both those things, but hearing them explain that way is
interesting. Then what jumped out to me, I, I
feel like I don't quite know how to classify it.
I feel like you almost want to call it the influencer
misunderstanding concept, which is that going from not enough
kilometres to too many kilometres leads to injuries.
And there is a a very prominent example right now in the run
influencer world, which is in this copying it in a massive way
the. Oh, the Lambros.
There we go. Yes, I, I, it.
I didn't. Let's jump into it.
You can, yeah. Let's jump into it.
So last week, if we're too short
for your long run, I spoke with the trail keeper out of
Brisbane, who have a very different demo to us, very
different. They call out people quite hard.
Well, they have in the past. Yeah.
We had a good fun conversation. But the Lambros come out because
I spend a lot of time, well, a fair bit of time with them, you
know, stayed in the same accommodation, took them for
runs and all of that type of thing.
So they were asking me my opinion on them and I simply
said, look, they asked me the question, are they what they
seem on camera? My answer was no.
They're they're creating content, they're acting.
I mean, they're a different generation to me, but like, at
the same time they're polite. Yeah.
Never had a problem with them. Like guys, you know, probably
good blokes. This doesn't make them bad
people, no. What's happening at the moment
though, for those that aren't following this, this is quick
back story. Two brothers ran across
Australia raising money for cancer have now made this their
social media identity. This is what they do.
They do challenges. They run marathons in the
desert. Now, are they great runners?
Absolutely not. Do I put them in the category of
Ned Brockman who did that same achievement?
Absolutely not. But what's happened in the last
couple of weeks is there has been, or as I've noticed that it
might have been going on for a bit longer.
But as I've noticed that there's been an enormous backlash
against them because they've made the decision in recent
weeks to launch a podcast and a podcast which is basically
unlike you and I, what we do, coming from a position of we'll
teach you how to become a runner.
They are attempting to convey lessons and learnings from their
experiences. And they had previously set it
up to offer up a paid service. I did hear about the paid
service, the coaching programmes, that's where I'd
heard. Which is interestingly gone away
now I because I when I saw that this was being offered as a paid
service, I thought I'll be interested to have a look at
what this involves. Read through it was never going
to sign up for it and as somebody who has my level of run
understanding yes thought well this isn't worth the money and
this is that old thing of if it looks too good to be true.
Chances are probably is probably is we can sold.
Interestingly that's gone. Yeah right now there is no you
can sign up and I don't know what happens when you sign up
because I don't want to sign up. But going back to this idea of
that influence mentality of oh we can teach you.
It's all mindset. We can teach you to go from
nothing to everything in the space of 10 weeks.
If you just believe us and if you just trust in us with no
foundation to it that there's a perfect example where these guys
have have done this thing and now suddenly their persona on
socials is of 1 of experts and because they're attempting to
run the length of the UK shortly and and but the tide has turned
on them and very much and I think it's I am not someone to
call out people on do what you want.
Do what you want. I think people should be warned
about the dangers and and being LED down the false path.
But it's interesting because there's a fellow by the name of
Jack Bennett who is a very good cyclist.
Lives in Sydney, incredible cyclist.
Life Without Andy, which is a social media site.
He's an amazing photographer as well, but he's incredible
cyclist. No, I'm, you know, you're
talking about now. Yeah.
So I noticed as I was watching one of the videos of the Lambros
brothers or whatever it is talking about calorie deficit
and how it led to injuries and how they recovered from injured
No blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Now I didn't understand what they were talking about.
My gut said probably not going to listen to it.
But interestingly, Jack, who's a very good cyclist, was the first
top comment for me and he just said this is wrong.
This is wrong. If you follow and he's obviously
he knows he's cycling. If you follow any information,
documentary learnings from the Tour de France, those guys live
on high carbohydrate diets fuelled by carbs because of the
kilometres that they're punching out, the time in the saddle.
And it basically Jack was saying, and Jack doesn't have a
podcast platform or anything like that.
I had to call it that, but he was independently calling these
guys out and saying this is dangerous.
What you're doing to jump on here and create this information
and seed it out to people as you are doing and then try to get
people to pay for it is dangerous.
Yes. And that to me kind of, I sort
of looked at that when I think the tides turned on these guys.
I think that that what you are on social media, if you've gone
down this path of being this character and trying to drive
this message, and we can take you from nothing to everything
in this short period of time. If you just pay us this amount
of money, I think it's turned. Across the line I.
Think, I think, thankfully, I think the running public has
become aware enough of that bubble that we had of
influencers going, hey, we can teach you to run a marathon even
if you are significantly overweight.
You haven't run since year 10. I think it's popped.
I think the bubble's popped. And I'm for one, I'm glad that
the running public amateur professional leader, whatever
is, is now grown up and matured enough to ignore that sort of
stuff. I I just can't keep all the
thoughts going in my head at the moment.
I'm like, I'm like, I'm trying to go.
I got to remember to say this. I got to and too much is going
on in my head when you're talking all through that.
I think I try and keep it concise to two things off the
back of this, OK, three things. I mean, we know even just in
with what's happening in the States, like we're having a
shift change and a whole range of things at the moment.
And I think that will have an effect on influences as well
because we're, we're having a course correction to a degree,
whichever, wherever, wherever that lands.
I do think that's going to have an effect on on the influencer
world in to some degree and. The type of content.
And the type of content and the way people can call people out
both ways. Yeah, yeah, fair.
Everyone, everyone gets their chance.
Sure, That's all fine and good. The first, the the first thing I
want to say around where I think the line has to be drawn in this
stuff, like everyone's can say what they want.
Everyone can do what they want. That's fine.
Once once information starts becoming dangerous, I think
that's where the the line's got to be drawn because that can
hurt people. And if you're taking information
off stuff that you really don't know and then putting it out
there without any caveat of like this is just me in my
experience, but you would. So the difference is you telling
verse, just telling what you do. But once you're giving advice to
tell and it's dangerous, I think that's the point where we should
get cut. Talking about your experiences
as opposed to instructing others on how to do.
Things exactly, exactly. And if we ever do that on here,
I'm happy to be called out, right.
We'll try and I'll always try and tell them about from my
experience. But you every so often you'll
say and and do this and and It could be wrong in that sense.
So one caveat where I will say there, the only time I think
I've ever heard you give advice is when it's been asked for in
response to a question someone has submitted.
And what can we're going to continue to do that because if
people ask questions of us, Yep, we'll answer the question.
Now going off the back of that, what what I learned, so I said I
was being coached this morning, so I went to the run group down
at Gold Coast Run Co. It doesn't matter who you are or
what level you've got to. There's an element where you can
always continue to learn or whether even if you know some of
those things, you need someone external or someone else to
point them out, but you want them to have expertise and then
to trust, right. So I was running this morning
and we're doing something click for me this morning running with
Jack. I was going to talk about it
later on, but we're doing we did a threshold to begin with and
that's fine. I've been running OK.
And then we go and do these hill sprints and I'm I am hopeless.
Like, I mean, I'm, I'm literally the second last person out of a
group of 20 of teenagers up to, you know, some decent, some of
the best Australian runners. And Jacko ran up past me
bounding and I like kind of went, I'm kind of trying to
struggle, like really run hard up here.
And all I did was simply go into a bit, a bit of a bound and
overemphasise what I was doing. And all of a sudden my hips come
up. I was bounding off the ground
and I just went. Jacko, I just watched your
number. You just unlocked it.
It was something I've just over time and kind of I just couldn't
get a handle on. Yeah, he in, in one instance of
just giving a bit of advice and we're talking a little bit about
we, we talked about cues earlier as well.
And there's a cue that he often uses in the morning before we go
and do the heels about thinking about your heel as a your heel
heel, your knee as a little bit of a lever.
And think of that. There's a stick going through
your knee and that when you bring your leg, you know, your
foot through, you want to be able to lift your knee high
enough to get your foot over that.
The other knee. I don't know if that's coming
through clear enough. What?
I can explain it when I show it, but it it is a queue that works
for me. But all of a sudden that clicked
for me this morning and suddenly I'm running up this hill,
bounding, feeling great, calves unlock, everything's great.
And it came off just a little queue and seeing someone I trust
run where I was going with all this is, yeah, we're we're
talking about advice and listening to people like that.
Doesn't matter who you are, you always got something to learn or
relearn and there's always something new that you can put
in there. It never changes.
The other word you just mentioned there, which is a key
one I think for anybody out there who's looking to get a run
coach, find some inspiration, find some instruction, anything
like that is trust. Trust and you running with Jacko
this morning, there's someone you trust and you've learnt
something. Yep, I think there's these.
I think the bubble has burst on these influences with who don't
have the trust of the audience on technical stuff and
expertise. I think the trust has gone and
now I think the the public has become what I thought, which is,
which is nice, but I'm, I'm, I'm happy for your running.
I'm excited for your running. That's great.
But the double, yes, So the double down on the back of that
we we talked about the Australian coaching stuff like
we agree with it because it's, it's, it's not common sense, but
we're all in agreement. Best practise?
The more you run, the more chance you've got to run better.
Yep, the more your mileage does matter, but you've got to do it
conservatively. Mileage does matter, and mileage
with structure matters more, yes.
There you go. There you go.
That was some pretty heavy running stuff.
Well, can we talking about event quickly?
Yeah, go for it. Coast to coast, coast to coast.
Now you've done this event, haven't you?
I've done this event twice. I've done it.
I've raced it once and I've someone's gonna call me.
I've got a feeling I've got 5th, 5th baby.
Wow, 6/7. This is around there.
Can you summarise coast to coast for anybody that might not be
aware of it? So as far as I'm concerned, it
is the best adventure race slash.
Well, it's got a course so the hardcore adventure races will
call us out. It's a multi sport event, not an
adventure race. OK, but I call it an adventure
race 'cause it's an adventure. And it's a race.
And it's in one day. It's longer than an Iron Man in
the fact that the winners will go about 11 hours.
The elite winners you start on one side of New Zealand over at
Greymouth. You run off the beach 3K, get on
a bike in a group ride up the range 60K give or take a 30K
mountain run, which is one of the hardest mountain runs of
what trail runs you ever do. The 1st 16 K is up a river on
boulders and then you get up into the pass and it's muddy and
you know, crazy. Then the then the real fun
begins because oh, you jump back on the bike quickly the fun
begins. You got a 70 kilometre paddle
down a river with grade 2 Rapids.
Half of the time you don't know which way you're going because
there's like what you call braids in the river.
So some of the braids actually turned into dead ends so.
What do you do if you're a dead end?
You, you port Portage, you bite. I mean, sometimes you will get
out. You will.
The only option is to actually get out of the boat, pick it up
and run back over or walk back over to the where the river's
still running. So in the weeks before the race,
that sounds horrible, that people will go and learn it.
And that's what makes it so hard for the Australians to win
because the Kiwis are just locals and they understand the
river, they understand the terrain, they've got such a big
advantage. And then you finish off at the
other side of New Zealand, arriving at Christchurch after
another 70K cycle in normally to a headwind to finish.
That's. It's it's a manic event.
Good news is I think, I don't know the exact stat, but Alex
Hunt won from Australia this weekend.
He took it out for the Aussies for the first time since John
Jacoby. And I'm gonna just, I'm not even
going to take a stab at many decades ago.
Right, that's awesome. So when Aussie has reclaimed the
crown of Costa. Aussies has reclaimed the crown.
Crown to the well they call it the Multi sport World
Championship. Self proclaimed of course.
Yeah, but I truly believe it is. It's on my bucket list.
It's it's on my list. If you ever came to Red Bull
Defiance and did the race that Red Bull put on, that's awesome.
This is like, now that that's not running at the moment, this
is the race you got to go to. What do we have to do to get
Defiance back up and going? You know what I'd love to hear
and this is, this is a bit of what would you call it,
crowdsourcing. If.
You know what Red Bull Defiance was and you've got an idea for
the most epic Red Bull Defiance course in Australia that you
could come up with. And the and the one kind of like
caveat it's got to have, it's got to have something unique in
it. So the uniqueness of racing up
in Mission Beach, Mission Beach up in Cairns was the fact the
first hour and half of the race was a white.
Water raft, white water raft there.
Yep. OK.
So you gotta, it's gotta have magic, it's gotta have something
magic in there to. You gotta capture the
imagination. 100% if you if you can figure that out for us, you
never know. I like it this I mean, I feel
like people have been trying to do that for us a little bit
already, but in the beginning family assemble side into the
DMS, leave a comment. We wanna I I would love to get
Courtney and the crew at Red Bull to bring this event back.
I think it was one of the, it's one of the greatest races and
things I've ever done and I'd love to see them bring it back.
And if we can give them the if we can light the spark with
something from here, all the better for it.
Yep. And Alex, a massive Congrats to
Alex. Hey, And well done Al.
He won one of the Red Bull defiances.
Yeah, OK. Good training grounds.
Yeah, nice, nice. Now I've got something here for
you, Liam, the three pictures, and I'm going to explain them to
you and I want to know what you think.
So the first picture I've got here on the board is a whole
heap of really nice, you know, it's kind of like tender, mate.
Yep, an egg with a little bit of pepper on top of it, some some
berries and some avocado on a cutting board.
Yep. Second picture I've got here is
a whole heap of nutrition stuff. So we got I can see some
collagen, I can see some organic apple cider at the back and a
few other some. Creatine in there, some
sprinkled. Other things.
And then the third picture I can see some multiple journals, a
pair of noise cancelling headphones.
What's going on here? This is a very organised young
man. It is.
We've spoken about him before. It's Will Ashcroft's post I'm
grabbing we. Need to I know I know that to
divert ever so slightly I know that people want us to start
getting guests on in the beginning and we and we are
planning on doing that It's in the it's in the world.
Will Ashcroft has to be one of the first because this is a
young man who I think with the stuff we've talked about with
noisemakers within the social media space in the athletic
world, with footy that we've talked about a little bit with
professionalism towards your sport.
This this bloke is the Venn diagram for a lot of the things
we've talked about. He's a fascinating young man who
I'd love to speak to one on one with you one day.
OK, getting back to the pictures like this is just.
So his headline was process driven 2025 and this is his
coming off winning, you know, best best at the grand final.
Norm Smith medal in the grand final and thank you because he
made me look like a genius because every podcast I went on
in the lead up or radio show I went on in the lead up to that
grand final, I said Lions to win Will Ashcroft to win the Norm
Smith because I know how professional he is and you and I
have had chat about him before. I look at these photos and I
love that. I'm really excited about seeing
how he goes on field and I'll get to call some of his games
this year for Triple M because there's and if you want to break
it down, food says he's looking after his health.
He's putting the right fuels into his body.
Yep, the supplements picture shows me that what he can't get
all the extra stuff that he needs to find as an elite
athlete, he's found what he needs.
And then the picture with the journals, the noise cancelling
headphones, shows that he's aware of his mental needs as
well as his physical ones, and that he's found a way to
prioritise and organise those for himself as well.
That's what I see in those. That's what you see like I'm not
gonna mate. He just become the best player
in the grand final last year. Who are we to you know, say
what's wrong or right? It's working for him and that's
amazing. We can interpret I'm I'm
exhausted looking at that. I'm I'm as you know from my days
I every time I see yeah, everyone's got their own way
about going about things right and there's in with this new
generation. I'll call it journalling
especially has been come such a thing right Journal.
I don't I don't journal, but I'm going to try and remember when I
trained pre digital times, we talked about Excel spreadsheets.
I'm going to go one step further back for you next week and bring
out my original training journals.
OK, so so you do journal or you did?
Journal I when I had a young kid, you could say a journal,
but I journal my training. But what I was writing was how I
felt in my training, what happened around training.
So, you know, there's some interesting stories I've
probably written in later why I trained.
So crap the next day. I'm going to show you these next
week, so we'll have a different conversation on that.
So yeah, I did journal, but I didn't journal about my
feelings. I didn't journal about my
feelings. I journaled because I was
getting, I wanted to look at why I was performing and not
performing. I so the new way of journalling.
I don't think it's necessarily a training diary.
No, it's a life diary. No, right?
It's to empty out your thoughts and to ascertain what's working
for you in life and all that sort of stuff.
I've said this. Before on this point, and this
is me, right? I would much prefer to watch
Netflix. I don't care if I want to relax,
I am watching Netflix or Prime, whatever the hell it is or I I'm
even happy to sit down and just play Tetris.
The I this is work. To me this is work and I don't I
did enough training in in hard enough training that I did not
want to come home and do extra work.
There you go. That's an A lead athlete.
You got the runs on the board, you do what is you do.
You the old school vision of that but.
Courtney, you do you let will do him.
They're both going to work out. As for the I'm not for the
average person. I had.
Do you have you ever listened to the Resilience Project?
Hugh Van Kluckenberg. Yeah.
And he's now got the Imperfect podcast, which is the latest
episode with Mick fanning up is incredible.
I went and saw Hugh speak and do his presentation, The Resilience
Project years ago when I was still living in Sydney.
It was incredible. It was a genuinely amazing
presentation. I took a lot of lessons out of
it. I still, I regurgitate some of
the stories that Hugh told, not as my own, but I said Hugh has
to. I heard this story from Hugh van
Klogenman. Incredible.
If you ever get a chance to go and see him do, it's an amazing
experience. He has these, what he calls the
Resilience Diaries or something that you fill out.
You know, today I was proud of this.
Today, I was happy with this. I feel this way because I'm
grateful for this person. Da da, da, da da.
I tried to consistently fill those out.
Did you have his his diary? Yep, His diary.
I couldn't. It couldn't.
It didn't stick. It just.
It just couldn't. I couldn't because I think I'm
like you, where I got to the point I liked the idea of what
they're meant to provide or what they do provide for people.
Oh, that's good. I like the idea of what they do
provide for for people or people.
Dusty Martin, Hugh talks about the impact that that stuff has
had on Dustin Martin, one of the best footballs that we've ever
seen in the world of AFL. And my brain liked the idea of
that. I I like the thought that I
could get the same stuff out of it, yes, but I didn't.
Interesting. I just, it, it didn't provide
the same results for me. And I do see people, I've got
friends who journal and talk about, you know, their
journalling and all that sort of stuff.
And I kind of go, I wish it did the same stuff for me, but I
tried and it didn't and. I love, I love the fact you
said, you know, I thought it would like the idea of things
sometimes is nearly the motivating factor than the
actual outcome. Yeah, which, you know, you'll
try things, I agree. But what I'm doing here is
definitely not. We're not, we're not.
I'm definitely not ragging on this.
This is what I like. Like you just said, this has
changed a lot of sports people's perspectives and and they've had
amazing results out of it. I'm also presenting the other
side of it of that it's not everything works for everyone.
There's no cookie cutter. There's no cookie cutter like
solution here of like, well, you know, you're having a bad day,
you're having a bad thing. Well, you should go and journal.
Like to some people that is the to me, you said that to me and
I'm like, that is I could not think of anything more I would
dislike to do. I'd hate.
Being in Yeah Be, I've never been an elite athlete, but.
I But not even as an elite athlete.
It's even right now. By numbers, it's not X + y = Z
it's. Do you know what?
Last night I and I'll talk a bit about my running week.
Yeah, in a minute. But after I finished a run last
night, I, I know because I was running with music off my watch
with headphones in. Yep, I finished my run and I
probably had two KS to walk home, took the headphones out
and consciously because I am at the radio station and then doing
podcasts and stuff, I have stimuli going into my head
constantly. I don't get a lot of and even
when I'm in the car, it's a podcast or it's I'm there's
stimuli going into my head constantly.
I made the IT was a very conscious decision last night
after I finished my run to take my headphones out and just and
even avoid looking at my watch. Like just can't just go.
Don't just stop, just see if you can just take it exist with
nothing. You're like a human amplifier.
Oh, just like just noise coming in the whole time.
I. I am and I found and as soon as
I do that, I find every time I do that, my brain drifts and
starts thinking about things. Not in a panicky way, but just
in a nice way. And I start thinking through
things that for me, so much more valuable than sitting down at
night in my bed or wherever and writing down my thoughts. 100%.
Well, yeah, I don't need to keep them.
Yeah, but it that's better. For well, I've said this before,
when I'm running and all my every I I like.
I've actually got a predicament sometimes now when I run because
sometimes I'm run with my phone to listen to whatever it is
podcast. And when I do I'm I can kind of
like verbally take notes as I go.
Because when I'm thinking of things that actually is good,
when I run without a phone and I have these ideas, by the time I
get back I forget what the idea was.
I have a theory that if it's important enough, you'll.
Remember. I'll remember.
Yeah, that's fair. Look, we're not.
Yeah. Everyone do you?
Because you know everything. Everyone if all different
things. But I think the message there
is, yeah, do you? Do you?
Just because everyone else is journaling doesn't mean you have
to do it if if it doesn't work for you, yeah.
Just on the AFL stuff while we're talking about Will, have
you seen this? This, this fella followed us.
That's where I I noticed he's a supporter.
Have you seen this? Max Gorn runs, runs double,
double gang. What do you how do you say
double gang? So if you're not aware of Max
Gorn, captain of the Melbourne Demons, he is a 7 foot tall
bloke who has an enormous beard and a shaved head.
And this guy Max Gorn underscore runs fair dinkum.
Looks exactly like that. He's a ring of haze.
He's got the height. It's awesome.
He's a big, tall unit with a shaved head and a big old beard.
Who runs. Max Gorn is a fit dude, by the
way. Yeah.
Maxi Gorn. I mean, oh, I felt plus for the
most part of fit him one way or another.
Yes, but he's a cyclist. He's a big cyclist.
And he he's good mates with Hamish Blake, who's turned
himself into a weapon of an athlete too, Monji.
But yeah, Maxi Gorn. Very, very aerobically good
athlete. Yeah.
So I was I was glad to see him slot into our IG.
Shout out. Maxi Gorn runs.
Yeah Maxi Gorn runs so on to some What do you want to do you
want to do your run weeks or loose ends first let's.
Let's tie up some loose ends because there were some things
that need to be tied up, namely the main reel out of last week.
If you're not following on the Instagram in the beginning and
this kind of. Podcast This come off the back
of your Dexter scan. Dexter.
I don't know why you keep on
going with Dexter as though it's the the serial killer, the DEXA
scan. It's part of my eight week
challenge is to measure your body fat.
We were talking about the idea of body fat and we got onto the
fact that in. I said, why the hell are you
doing that? Why don't you just use
callipers? That's right now in the elite
athletes space that has been, it's been criticised by some.
It's, you know, there's in the AFL as an example, they don't
list the weights. Of the players, we weren't sure
on the lay of the land. I called out.
I thought that behind the scenes this was still going on.
Look, we did get a bit of a bit of it.
Was mixed feedback. Yeah, mixed feedback about the
thing, the scanned, we got some info on the scan is more
accurate. So you should be using that.
Then callipers, Yep. Then callipers.
I well, what I've researched now, yeah, it probably is for
certain things, but I'm here to say that I've got some.
I'm not going to say who because it's come from a few different.
I'm not going to call out which which teams or anything like
that, but I've got a good authority.
It's still happening. Of course it is behind the
scenes for exactly the same reasons I said it works.
And if you're trying to look for performance and your body weight
is a factor in that performance and you want to measure it over
time. Now this is the key.
It's measuring it over time to get a consistent reading.
If you have the same callipers, the same person doing it, the
way it works, I probably didn't explain well enough last week.
We're not really that concerned about the percentage.
You know, that's a, that's one of those kind of like whoop
figures, you know, an arbitrary figure that you tell your mates.
It's all about mill, it's about millimetres.
So generally they'll take 7 sites, the same sites you'll
measure with a tape measure, you'll go back to that exact
same site. So halfway down the calf,
halfway around the, the back of the calf, measure it with a
tape, cross it off, take that spot.
Now you get millimetre readings from that 7 sites and you're
looking at about 50 mil is a pretty good indication that
you're, you know, and everyone's going to be different depending
on what you know. I'm tipping a Ford in the rugby
team needs a different scale to look at than a triathlon.
Again, it's like, it's like all the shoes and stuff.
It's personal. It's specific to you as a
person, but. For the reason of ease and the
reason of cost, and for the reason of it's just quickly
available and can be redone over times callipers every day of the
week. Interestingly, and again I won't
mention who specifically, but somebody who was, who I know is
a former elite athlete reached out and said regarding callipers
says I'm still triggered by my experience as an elite athlete
with those things. Yes, which goes to show that
again, and this is probably why some sports and in some
industries don't use them anymore or don't openly discuss
using them because there is. There's both sides to the
argument. You know what I'd like, I'd
probably challenge on that is it's not the fault of the
callipers. Yep.
It's actually at that stage. It's how the conversation and,
and the reasons and and why you're doing it and how that can
actually help. It's not a threatening thing.
So it's not. The fault of the athlete.
Either it's the process. I would actually, of which the
callipers, I would go up the chain and say, yeah, there's
pressure coming from an external source of this that's putting
undue pressure in the OR or presenting it in the wrong way.
But if you're an athlete, you should want to improve.
Absolutely. OK, got that Rand out.
Let's get let's. Let's and anyone who wants to, I
do have some science and I'm not going to bore you with on this,
but we you know, those conclusions I've come to are
right. I quickly can I throw something
about and I don't want to disappear back into nasal
breathing. But we did get a message from
Jake who wanted to share his thoughts because he says love
the pod fellas. Recently listened to Kipchoggi
LED Kipchoggi the Great. Recently listened to Kipchoggi's
one and only podcast from 20/22. He only breathes through his
mouth while he's running. If it works.
For him, if it works for Elliot, I'm in board.
I wonder a. Podcast the only podcast you
ever did Wonder what was that? We'll find it.
Yep, we'll find what are we doing?
I'm just completely got coaster cosy.
We're talking about the the the main ultra.
If you went to race and ultra, I think last week and talking
about maybe it has something to do with race medals and things
like that as well. But just so everyone who doesn't
know what Coast of Cosy is, we've got some information back
around. OK, So it's from the beach in
Eden. Eden's got some.
Have you heard about the mountain bike parks and
everything that you've told me about?
Yeah. So all the investment I'm
hanging to get down there. I thought my last, at the end of
my last Subaru trip, I was going to Eden.
Ended up, I can't remember, I told you you had someone else
somewhere down further South, but I thought I was getting back
there in a mountain bike. But great, great big investment
in the mountain biking. You start there at the beach and
you get run all the way up to Kosciusko, mainly Rd with a 38
kilometre Rd climb at the end. So I'm assuming that's up to
Perisher, up the Charlotte's pathway and then running up to
the top 50 invitations only. I love that.
That's so cool, the exclusivity.
Yeah, we talked about this with events before.
Now I apologise because I I haven't written down the name
who sent this to us? He's obviously done it, but
Costa Cosi you get in a Cooper hat when you finish for the
first time. Right, that's a great and this
is back to finisher prize for those finisher prizes.
Sally previously told us that we we went deep on the idea that
race events should look at trying to get better finisher
prizes for the competitors. Sally had a Tiffany necklace
from the Nagoya Women's Marathon.
We asked if anybody had any other cool, like genuinely?
Cool, great ones. Race finish we.
Talked about the dry bag. For the dry bag for some fines.
Cooper has a good one. That's a great one.
They're expensive too. But it goes one step further
though, because every time you then finish the race,
subsequently they give you a pin and so as you.
This is again for coast. So each time if you spot someone
with the hat and you see the pins, you and Selena, ah,
they've done Coast Cosy and they've done it 1234.
It's like keeping a tally on the side of your cobra so.
It's like and then you you meet someone and it's like who's got
the bigger? And he's got big more pins.
He's got the biggest, got the more pins it's.
Literally a measuring concept, yeah.
Yes, I love it. This is great.
What's the other one? Oh, Ando was talking about?
Ando from Wild Earth was talking about UT 800.
The belt buckle. Yes.
That's a good one. Jen's a good one, but it's been
done. Bell buckles are kind of Yeah,
it's I don't. Overdone at this.
Time over that, I don't think they're unique anymore.
No, I think is the point. Jen, Red Bull, Jen Jen Davies
jumped in and said the Yandina 50 OK finishes at a brewery and
when you finish the 50K you get a growler, which you can feel at
the pub. The growler is kind of those jug
looking things that a lot of breweries make these days.
So you've when you finish the run, you get that and you can
fill that up at the hub. Unlimited.
Beer, I reckon after 50 KS you're probably one of those
you'll be. But she said she's got great
memories of driving Brett home after it, drinking straight out
of the Growler and then Dead Cow Gully.
She also said you get a a vacuum packed cow shit.
I don't know if that's a good one.
That's anyway, I'm not sure I like that there's some
interesting finish prizes out there.
Yeah, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Now we've got we've got heaves
on, let's get to our running weeks.
All right, Liam, what do you go first?
No. You go, what have you been up
to? I had firstly let me say I
almost had a hedges moment last night.
In the dark. Jumping back to last week's
episode, Hedges Ave St on the Gold Coast, Bit of all video
going around from an incident on there where a bloke is running
in the bike lane, bikes are coming the other way towards
him. He decides he doesn't want to
move, puts the bumper bars up, knocks these two people off
their bikes. Anyway, last night I'm running
and I was on the left hand side of the Oceanway path down near
Chugen. And these two, I'm going to
guess that they were tourists, backpackers, backpackers who
come from a country where you drive on the opposite side of
the road. Because these two could not have
been more on the wrong side. It was.
And I was looking at them from a distance.
I'm like they're surely they're going to move because they were
running two abreast towards me, similar.
It felt exactly like the hedges thing towards me, towards me,
towards me. And I'm thinking they're going
to move, they're going to move, they're going to move, they're
going to move because there was all this space next to.
Me, but they're thinking they're in the right as.
Well, but they thought they were in the right and in the end I
had to. Unlike the bloke in hedges, I
didn't put my bumpers up. I literally stepped up against
the fence and they just rode past me and I thought I found
myself going. I think I sympathise a bit more
with that bloke on hedges now because I almost did it.
But in the end I thought, I'm guessing they're from somewhere
else where they think they're on the right side of the football.
Or they were just having cones down in the.
They might have been actually did not.
Realise. There was a lean going on, Yep.
But the other big thing about that run for me last night, I,
I've been having this feeling because I've been doing a lot
of, and I won't call it zone 2 running because that's one of
the bad words here. But I've been having a, I've
been doing a lot of slower trail running.
I've been up in the trails, I've been running slower.
I've not worried about my per K pace, more worried about the
time out there and getting some elevation in and, and making
sure my weekly time on feet is growing.
And as a result, I haven't been doing a lot of threshold work.
I haven't been doing a lot of speed work.
And I'll, I'll be honest, yesterday I knew I had, I knew I
should do a threshold run. I had this really strange
feeling of I don't want to run. I'm I'm nervous about running
fast. I don't want that feeling that I
know comes from doing some threshold work.
I don't want to be knackered. I didn't want.
I don't mind right now in my head, for whatever reason.
I don't mind the idea of being knackered after a long a long
slow two hours, but the idea of being cooked after a fast?
Like the red line? Page I'm scared of the red line
right now. I'm genuinely it's a very weird
feeling. That actually you're scared of
the red line or you're scared of knowing what what pace you're
doing. I'm not worried.
About you're not worried about most people I think would be
like I'm I don't want to do the threshold because I'm worried
then I'll find out where I'm at. I've left my ego on this running
journey. I've left the egos a long way
behind me, right? Honestly, this podcast has been
great because it has helped me get really comfortable with who
I am and what I am as a runner. I just love running.
I know I love running on. My ego is behind me.
I'm still setting targets for myself because I want to get
better, so I'm not. I wasn't going to be worried
about what my threshold pace was, but it was genuinely the
fear of going that redlining is tough and I've battled and I
didn't want to hit it and I was anyway.
Last night, Ted, the kids had some dinner and went just put
your shoes on and go for a run. And even then I was kind of like
my watch my garments suggesting 30 minute threshold.
I'm like get stuffed. I do not have 30 minutes of
threshold in me. So in the end I went out and I'm
like I've got to do, I've got to try.
So I did 4 minutes a 4K's warm up.
I did a 4K's at 5 minute pace and then as I get to the end of
that 4th K, I'm like, all right, let's come on.
You've got a if you want to run a sub three hour marathon later
this year at the Gold Coast, you need to This is it's going to be
a you're. Going to have to be comfortable.
With this, you're going to have comfortable with this exactly,
and that's what is. That an influencer comfortable
with the uncomfortable Yes, that's a.
That's a Ned Brockmanism. Oh, it's get comfortable being
uncomfortable. That's a big that's Ned's.
Main did I literally just come in my?
Pleasure get nude. No, you won't get Ned win a suit
share that Ned, he's a fan. And so I started and I got I'm
like in my head I didn't have a set time or but I'm like you've
got to do at least 4 KS, you got to do at least 4 KS trying to
run a bit of threshold stuff. In the end I got 4 KS done just
done the four 10s pace solid and then I finished with two more KS
at 5K pace. So I did a 10K, hit up all that
and I got to the end of it and I felt great.
I was knackered, but I felt great.
And it was a really important run because I remembered why.
Yeah, I'm doing all the trail running and I'm getting along
with time on my feet. But it was like.
Felt good to go hard. Running fast is good, running
fast is good for you. So if you haven't been putting
any fast runs in your week, go do 100%.
Just jump back. In I'm with you mate, I'm
learning the same stuff all over again.
Yeah, you got to jump back in. Just run them.
How's your running week been going?
You're running lots and good at the moment.
Well, good. Good's a stretch.
Depends on what level of good, but things are get moving.
I got through about 110. K last week.
That's a big number. Well, relative, but sorry for
you. That's a big well, including the
run that you didn't show up to. That kind of helped that along
on the Sunday because I doubled, I did a double.
I'd rent Saturday morning in the forest with my brother about two
hours. And interestingly, like we only
get through about 18K in that two hours because it's singles
and you know, I, I don't even think the GPS works half the
time when it's so, you know, switchbacks and all that going
on. But in three long runs in the
trails, 110K that's running once a day.
So no double runs or any of that kind of a latest late stuff
going on. And it's good.
I like I pulled up like a little bit tight, but not too much.
But what happened on Tuesday? I was up at the Spit.
Mike Shelley, Yep, just decided to drop in for a session.
You know, even even unfit, he still knows how to put on the
pace initially. And we had a few, we had the
Gold Coast crew there, all the elite runners.
I think Giordano would just run a broke 2 minutes in the 800 on
the weekend. So these guys are moving.
I did my usual. The session was a 2 minute
effort with a one minute float in between.
But we didn't, I saw this, we didn't do it out and back.
We just did them. We didn't do a long out and back
with it. We actually did a 32nd turn
around and then you had to try and make it back on the two
minutes. Yeah.
So what that was good for is it allowed me to run a little bit
easier on the float and pick back up the fast runners.
So I was purposely going over the top for myself.
Yeah, hard session. Like it was real fun though,
with all the all the good guys there.
I was sore after that. I finally started.
So when I went out Wednesday in the forest, I started, I even
got a bit of a, you know, I wouldn't say a pull in the one
of the calves, but I got a little bit of like, Oh, that's I
can feel that right. My hips are.
I was just it felt like I was just sore.
So other way to explain it. I had a bit of a stretch that
night. I still got through the run, had
a bit of a stretch that night. And then I had a decision to
make because this morning. So what do you mean today,
Thursday morning? We usually, although I have been
doing lately threshold down at Pizzi Park again with the faster
guys. And I was thinking this isn't
probably the smartest thing to be going to do.
Like I'm sore this is a recipe for disaster.
So I'm sure everyone goes through these things in their
head when you know, you got niggles and things going on like
should I shouldn't I, should I rest?
Or is that the wrong thing to do?
And the answer I think to a degree for me is you never
really know. I still got out there this
morning, I got out running. And then for the 1st 100 metres
of that threshold, in my head, I was gonna run quite conserved,
like really comfortably. Like really comfortably.
I planned on probably going back like I've been running them, you
know, like 3:30 or maybe a quicker pace.
And I was thinking maybe 345, three fifties, 4 minute K pace,
just let's just get through this and make it a run day.
Yeah, in the 1st 50 metres I'm like, my body actually didn't
feel too bad after it warmed up for 20 minutes, got into it with
the fellas Ren a little bit slower than I usually would but
still pushed it and I by the time I got home my body felt
amazing. Through the session.
Body's awesome. You don't know.
There's just proof. You don't know what's coming and
don't always yes, you've got to be here on the side of caution
when it comes to injuries or you'll know sometimes you're
just completely cooked. But it's no excuse, not
sometimes to go, you know what? Your body's just, you know, you
mind playing tricks on you. Just get in and let's figure it
out. Broad statement about to be
thrown here. Oh.
OK, you know, You know in your head, you know.
I did not. Know no, no, no.
But what I mean is I reckon I'm speaking more for the average
runner right here. You know, when you're injured,
right? You do like you'll go and get
the diagnosis, you'll go and get the, you might go to a physio or
a doctor or whatever it is you go to who treats you and, and
get the confirmation or the extent or whatever, or the rehab
programme. But you do know, right?
You'll know that. Oh, Nah, that's not right.
It's not coming good, right? You know your body better than
anybody and you know, Nah, there's something not right
there. And then I also think, you know,
when you're, you're allowing a maybe a little bit of soreness
to be something more, it's like, yeah, I can't.
I'm, I'm just, the body's no good at the moment.
And then you close your eye, you lie down in bed at night and you
go. I probably just didn't want to.
Probably didn't really. I probably just didn't.
Want to do a hard session? I probably just didn't want.
It's like me, I I didn't. I hadn't really wanted to run
fast. It's not that I couldn't, I just
didn't want to and I was finding reasons not to do it.
But everyone's in the same boat. We all have these mind games
around, you know, what running is and what it is.
So one thing I am talking about when I'm, I'm kind of getting
into it a bit more, a bit more mileage is thinking about
compared to what I used to do when I was triathlon.
You know, even if I ran 110K in a week, the aerobic load of that
in time is quite insignificant compared to the hours I would
have trained in the past, right? You know, so like as a
triathlete, we might be 20 to 25 hours.
If you go out and try and run that, it's going to be like, you
know, crazy kilometres. So purely from a from a lung and
but. For 110 KS, what's your time on
Fate? I'm going to guess it's less
than 10 hours. Yeah.
So that's not a lot of aerobic work.
Like if you think you're a swimmer or something, you're
getting in the pool for, you know, an hour and a half or even
high school swimmers are doing 2 hour sessions, 11 of them a
week. It's, it's, it's child's play
from aerobic point of view, but your, your legs are obviously
going to hurt, hurt in this instance when you've got to be
careful of the kilometres you're doing.
So I'm toying with the idea. Do I actually even get back on a
road bike? When was the last time you rode
a road bike? I, I'm, I'm going to take a
guess about six years ago. Wow.
Yeah. And that was only because I had
to film the the the Brisbane, what's there?
So the Brisbane you would have known from the.
Radio Yeah, the bridge to Brisbane.
No, that's like the Brisbane Cycling Festival and the Green,
fondo and all. Grand Fondo Yeah, yeah, I've
I've videoed. From a GoPro the first year for
Tourism Queensland, right? That's the last time I rode on
my rode bike on the road. But I'm toying with this idea
'cause I'm I'm mountain bike a fair bit, but it's different
'cause you're going up and down it's a different bike, you're
going slower. I'm I'm looking for that just.
That same legs. Just pure aerobic, go out for 4
1/2 hours, five hours. Is that going to have a benefit
for me running because of my background?
You know, I, when I used to get to the levels that I'd run at, I
was obviously doing a lot of cross training with that.
I'm missing all that cross training now yeah, right.
So how can I expect then to be as fit as I was?
But. Do you think you can get on a
bike? I'm 5050.
OK? Do you know the reason I don't
ride? Safety.
Yeah, I really do. I just like if I don't need to
ride a road bike on the road and I can ride my mountain bike and
it's way more fun. I I really do just think it's a
safety thing. Different time of your life too.
While I'm talking about safety though, what did happen this
week, I finally got my motorbike back.
I blew up the engine, so shout out to race line performance
down there. The boys who got my bike, they
said Tony Waters used to used to ride back for Red Bull in the
day in motocross. He's he has a race team for
Husqvarna now. Runs.
Yeah. Helps all the young kids.
Like it's amazing to see, you know, in elite sport.
He's at the other end of it now. He's still racing really well,
but he's also helping out young kids.
He's got a few team riders. Husky help him out.
Funny when you suddenly find yourself at that point, yeah,
suddenly it's kind of like the same time when you go, you used
to look back on people that were 40 and go, God, that's so old
now when you're 40, I'm not old. I'm not old, I'm not old at all.
But yeah, Toddy's killing. It's still on the bike.
But yeah, he looked after my bike and so now I'm kind of
like, do I go riding this weekend?
Jeez, well, you've already got the stitches in the nose, you
may as well add some more to other parts of your bodies.
We need to give a shout out to the Trail Kings.
We do because you're on their carnet.
Yeah, yeah, I'll, I shared it on my personal Instagram, but I'll
share it on. Link up on the show page.
Do you want to talk about some? Do you want to talk about some
Some kit? Let's get into the gear.
Oh. We got some now you got a little
package in the corner for me as well do.
You want me to? Do you want me to start with the
present or you want to go do a couple of things I noticed
online? Let's start with the things
online. OK, did you see this ASICS in
the clouds this week? Talk to me about it.
Have you been on Instagram this week?
You couldn't have missed it. I thought it got it got a pretty
good media coverage. It was it was good.
It literally. This is the I did say this is
the marathon. They launched a shoe, I can't
remember exactly what shoe but ASIC launched a shoe.
They took some of their runners up in hot air balloons.
Yep and they ran 1/2 marathon on the treadmill in the hot air
balloon. I like it, but then at the same
time I'm like, is it trying to hard?
I'm not I'm not I'm I'm on the fence on this one.
I'm really not sure. But then in the second part of
this is I'm like, they actually called it in the clouds on
running is cloud running. It's a really, really fine close
to IP infringement. Here.
That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that.
It's for the gel Nimbus. What I would say is I wouldn't
run a marathon or half marathon in the gel Nimbus.
I find the shoes too. I don't think you get enough
back from them. OK.
That's by the by. I had not thought about the IP
infringement. That is interesting.
Yeah, Yeah. I thought really interesting, I
mean literally cloud running on the clouds.
I would I would have thought on would have trademarked that.
And and anything around cloud, well, anything, yeah, like.
Really close. Hopefully not.
We're not throwing anyone, and I'm sure someone else has said
that, but we're not throwing anyone if.
Someone from on's listening to that and going that's a good
point. We should should make some calls
about that well. Yeah, I, we.
Yeah. I I know what you're saying
about that. Is it trying too hard?
It's cool. Hey, it's hey, guess what,
Courtney, we're talking about it.
So they've they've. Achieved their goal that they
the in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Podcast is talking about the noise makers.
Exactly we've they've made enough noise for us to take take
notice. And then really quickly I saw
and I haven't got this up on my page, Liam, but Nike have just
put I saw this on run.com this morning.
Nike have I've got a new patent out and it's looking like
electronic fluid support control shoe patent.
Yep. So you're talking about fluid
movement? I'm trying to work out how I can
get up the website mate. Bear with us for a second.
The premise basically, Nike has shown interest in incorporating
some incredibly complex systems into its future footwear.
That could include fluent, sorry, fluid movement
controllers and adjustable foot support pressure.
So what? Look, I'll dumb this down.
Or as I read it, seems to be AI in a shoe.
Seems like they are going to look at ways to allow the shoe
to adjust while you're running based on how your landing and
foot patterns and all the rest of focusing.
On fluid flow to adjust support in the shoe's sole, there you
go. And with some type of electronic
system in it, yeah. AI, I'd say this is a form of
AI. I'd say if the shoe is making,
you know. This is I'm.
I didn't take too much notice of it.
I just quickly saw it this morning.
But this is really interesting. This is like innovation.
Yeah, it's huge. If we can, you know, you think
of the carbon plate and what that did do.
And I don't know if this is about speed or this is more
about comfort. Yeah, like while you're
training, it's going to give you better benefits for recovery and
that sort of thing. But this is huge.
Well, imagine it and if you let's just play it out as a
thought experiment for a moment. If you're running, let's say
you're just running a marathon and suddenly Nike or or any of
the shoes. Imagine if you're a shoe because
whilst in a perfect world you're running the same cadence the
whole time, the reality is your legs are growing fatigue the
longer you're on your feet. Imagine if the shoe is capable
of adapting to that fatigue that sets in in your stride length
and running power. Well, kind of like starts off as
like a a front to mid foot shoe and by the end of the marathon
it helps you run on your heels because you're starting to
bottle down. I mean, yeah, this is, I'm just
saying we should have, I should have done my homework better on
this. But I'm just seeing the
electronic kind of diagrams or images are showing and something
on the side of the shoe that, yeah, obviously can suck the
liquid back or man, this is crazy, absolutely crazy.
Would provide Here we go. Interestingly, this.
Command. I think it's also a unique.
Design that would provide a connection between the shoe and
an external power source when at rest.
So it sounds like you charge the shoe.
Charge the shoe. I mean, it's didn't the Reebok's
pumps used to do this. You'd pump it up in the tub.
Yeah. But that was with your with your
finger, not with look return energy.
It's kind of like the F1 cars or you know, cars these days with
the energy return system in the braking without.
This is something I think we need to investigate a little bit
more, but I suffice to say there is innovation happening in Shoes
Beyond. You know, we thought that the
alpha flies were the with with the peak.
This is like change, if this is true, I mean, it could just be a
concept and they're just getting ahead of the game.
This could be a decade away, but this is super exciting to me
now. Keep it on shoes.
We've got. We've got to the end of the
world, getting closer to the end.
And this is the best part of the show, mate.
I have a present. I have plenty of presents this
week coming for you. Thank you, Solomon.
Can I give you my present first, because I reckon mine is
underwhelming by comparison. OK.
I just, well, I'm, I, Are you sure this is?
Yeah, Yeah. What do you got?
I've got for you. This is just I've got some I've
got sent some running kit this week.
I've got some hats. Oh nice.
And some singlets for you singlets from a from a mob
called Crest Crest. I've got one of the hats on
here. At the moment, where's Crest
from? Crest is based out of Sydney and
it's they're just, it's just running kit.
They just sent some of that in. They said throw these on, check
these out, check these out. Take them for a spin.
You can never have. Well, we'll get back to them and
let them know how they go. You know what I like about
running caps? So I'm this is true story.
I'll be open and honest. So I mean, I've rent, rent for
Red Bull for 22 years. Every triathlon I ever did, I
pretty much since I was 20 or 18 had a Red Bull hat on.
Over the time different brands like the Red Bull hats are for
the athletes only, so they don't sell their hats.
So I. Didn't know that.
Yeah, So one of the questions, I like this hat.
No, I can't buy it. One of the biggest, one of the
most. If I had a dollar for everyone
said, can I get one of those hats over time?
You're kidding. I would have made more money
than they probably paid me just by giving away the hats.
But what I do now, because technology, even just hats has
come so far. But you know, we're not all
runners. So some of the hats are like
corduroy. Some of the hats, there's some
run hats, but sometimes the year they bring them out, I don't
like them. There was a hat a few years ago
that had kind of like a packable brim on it that New Era did.
And I was like, this is the best ever.
And then of course, I stopped making it as they do, just like
with shoes. So what I'm interested in is
Chris is trying these hats, but maybe I can look at getting a.
Oh, here we go. I can't run in a Crest hat, but
maybe I can get a logo? Absolutely.
Look, I'm looking for a looking for a manufacturer.
What do you call them? White.
White brands. Oh, is that what they're called?
It's white brands. I don't know, marketing like
white. Someone's gonna someone tells.
Someone tells pretty much when you get when you get a blank.
A blank, a blank, blank brands. Yep.
OK. Thank you.
Anyway. Thank you.
Enjoy those.
That's very nice. There you go, I do.
I am going to one up here on this.
Which is why I went first. Like I mentioned next week, I've
got the real real presence for you because Solomon have just
brought out a whole new range of trail shoes and a couple of, but
mainly the trail shoes. So when we go down to the the
Golden Trail race. Solomon, Golden Trail and
Kanani. Yes, you're going to be.
There's no excuses, mate. You are going to be in the elite
of the elite of what you got. But.
There is there's no excuse. There are excuses, but my shoes
won't be one of them. The shoes will not be one of
them. But thank you, Sal.
In the meantime, it is a little bit of fun.
We talked about decathlon. So decathlon being like a rebel
sport, a French rebel. Sport.
The Audi of Rebel sport. Having a home brand carbon
plated shoe now they we from memory they were $250 still or
something. They weren't cheap.
I was going for a run with a maid of mine, Andrew Pierce, a
few weeks back, a grade for the gold coasters when going and on
Strava under his pseudonym. Pseudonym.
Yep, Yep. And he was wearing these shoes,
these ones here, they're called one mix.
Have you ever heard? One never heard of.
I've heard of Little Mix that was never heard of.
All girl, one group, Yeah, one mix, right?
And he said to me, I bought these keeper's chips.
They're carbon plated shoes. You wouldn't know the
difference. If you want to save your, you
know, your $400.00 race shoes, but you want to train in carbon
shoes, this isn't a bad way to go at it.
And I laughed at him. I said mate, have a guess how
much these cost Liam? Right, I'm guessing that they're
going to be half decent saving a pair of alpha flies.
I'm just looking up now. 400 bucks. $114.00 delivered to my
door. What would you expect these?
I'd expect them to be crap. For 114 bucks.
I would expect those to be crap. I'm just saying.
So here's a test. We're not advocating for them by
any means, but I, I, I was so interested after seeing him
running them and tell me that he was at least like he's bought a
few pairs. Oh, so he's a?
Repeat customer. He's a repeat customer.
I'm like, I have to buy Liam a pair.
Are they for me? These are your size because
you're half a size. Even though I could wear, I
could wear them. And I'm not going to lie, I've
tried them on, so they're not dirty.
They're brand new. They're 43, so they're half a
size too big for me. They're your size.
I've bought them for you. You've got those alpha flies
you're too scared to take out of the box.
Now I'm going to make you take them out of the box because what
I want to know, OK, I'm going to hand this one to you.
I want to know. I mean, let's start with the
fact they're ugly as all hell. Oh yeah, that is an ugly shoe.
And I don't mind wearing some gaudy stuff.
I don't mind wearing some bright garish.
Stuff, if you're on Spotify, we've got them on the video, so
you watch us on video on Spotify.
That is as ugly as shoes. I've seen that like that.
It is ugly, but how's this underneath Like there's a full
you can actually I can see you through the sole of the shoe it.
I have no idea mate about these. But you want me to run in these?
I want you to test them for us. What's with the crappy things on
the side that say 42K21K10K? Is that like saying what you
should run them? Well, they're an all rounder you
can run. Your 10K mix all right.
One mix. They're A1 mix shoe.
Do you know what they do actually like there is a little
bit of, you know, which brand they comes to mind, which one,
Saucones or Sauconese? OK, they remind.
They remind you of a little bit of a Saucony.
I think they do from like Saucony.
I'm pretty sure Tim Vincent's running Zirconi's.
Oh, that's such an he likes these.
Zirconi's no, no no. Zirconi's a great shoe.
But forget about how they look. We're about how they feel.
Mate. I want to know, would you like.
OK, so here's the question. I want to know when you try
them. Yeah.
If we were to do a shoe review of all the top shoes.
Yeah, I want to know, would you include them against the big
brands? OK, Not no.
You've got to go and try them. I don't want to know now.
OK, next week. Next week I'll review the ugly
shoe. And next, by next week, you'll
also have my my, my proper gift, not my joke gift.
It's like it's a My Little Pony pastel.
Yeah. OK, look, do you know they?
When they turned up in the mail, you just pulled it out.
They, you know, service came two weeks away from, I'm assuming,
China. How will you will you be upset
if I bring these back and I've and I've Liam Adams them and
just painted them black? You can.
It's a gift, Liam. You can do whatever.
I don't want them back. No, I want you running them as
well. If I have to run in them, you
have to run in them. I will I will have a jog in them
and and so I can at. Least no, I want you to turn up
to the Gold Coast runco with the threshold wearing these.
All right, OK. OK, OK, anyway, let's see how
they go. But we.
Wrapping things up, we, we, we had questions.
We didn't have time to get to some questions.
What we will, what I want to do one week.
Put this on the on the chalkboard.
Oh, you've got one more thing. One more don't don't hang up.
Just don't don't put the phone down just yet.
The question was, but it leads into something bigger.
And this is this is this is worth calling out And who asked
me last week a topic around Courtney, can you bring a topic
up this week? Why triathletes, why triathlon
athletes usually run so well in running races and they probably
do half the kilometres around a wood.
Now, the simple answer for that is what I talked about earlier
is that you're doing 20, you're doing so much aerobic work.
You're on the bike, which is also training your glutes,
training your, you know, similar muscles.
And then you're also running obviously kilometres.
And and I would argue some triathletes aren't just doing
half the distance. I would go as far as saying the
Olympic triathletes would be running anywhere between 100 and
130 KA week plus, so they're nearly running like a runner.
Plus they're riding on top of that 15 hours, so they're.
Aerobic. Bases building, yeah, crazy.
So that's the reason why they can operate like that.
And and if they've Got Talent as a runner, that just adds to it.
Last weekend, the Paris Olympic gold medallist in triathlon,
Cassandra Bogo Bogrand, just broke the women's French record.
And have a guess what time, Liam, how far, what distance?
5K road race Women's Olympic champion in trial.
Races run 1510. She ran 1453.
Oh it's close 1453 she's a triathlete who's running faster
than the 5K. Best 5K women's in her she.
Just broke the French record fastest ever French woman won
the Olympic gold medal in Paris in triathlon.
So if anyone who's started, you know, talking about triathlon,
not, you know, developing and being at the top end of elite
sports, it's just that's crazy talk now.
And if you want any further incentive to track Alex Yee at
the London Marathon this year, the gold medalist in the men's
triathlon, right there is is a reason why?
Because what triathletes can do as runners.
I mean 1453, like even when you know, it was different shoes
years ago, you know, 30 minutes for it was a benchmark kind of
run from males in triathlon and now you've got the top female
just coming out running under. 15 minutes, buddy. 15 minutes.
So mic drop on that mate. I think it's a good place to
finish. That's quick.
That's super fast, super fast. However you're running today, I
hope you're getting out there, whether it's super fast, super
slow or you're just running, enjoy it.
I promise we will get to. There's so many more questions
that people are firing in as well as some guests, which we
have in the pipeline. I'd love to do an Ask Courtney
Anything. I'd love to just load up on
these questions. So if you do have any questions
that you want to fire into Courtney, send them all through.
We're going to do an Ask Courtney Anything episode at
some stage and. I'm going to go and chase Will
Will. Yeah, you go find Will Ashcroft,
get him on, I guess, and I'm going to run in these hideous
shoes you just handed me. All of you next week.
See you next week.