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In the beginning at 22. 
Courtney, mate, what's going on 

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with your nose? 
Well funny ass out I just heard 

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just got a bit chopped off it. 
I've got a biopsy. 

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Yeah, right. 
Yeah. 

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So when do we find out about 
that? 

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Well, hopefully it's good news 
in two weeks, but I don't think 

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it's a real bad one. 
But you know what? 

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They, you know, these days they 
seem just to like they see them 

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all and just go, oh, we better. 
Take it out just in case it's 

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that's no need to disappear down
this path right now. 

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But runners out there, if you 
haven't had your skin checked, 

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go do it. 
It's, it's a super quick thing, 

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but you know, if we run outside 
in the heat, in the sun. 

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It it's probably a good thing to
be a bit. 

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I always wear hats. 
Yeah, I I don't wear sun cream. 

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Don't you no not see, I think I 
religiously. 

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Yeah, but if I went to the beach
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would sure be in the morning 
running, even though obviously I

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had at 8:30. 
Gotcha. 

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So I got out on a Monday, this 
week's shirt off up in the spit.

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Oh yeah, purposely Browning up 
a. 

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Bit very nice. 
I shouldn't. 

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Say that, but I was. 
Letting it get bitter? 

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You meant to have vitamin D? 
Yep, the body. 

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The human body is meant to take 
in some vitamin D. 

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Yeah, You know, I thought, I 
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it for all that you spent, one, 
in the beach, in the surf, and 

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then two, you think about 
cycling for years we spent like,

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you know, 15 hours a week out 
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Thought I got away with this. 
But just lately I'm starting to 

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see some of the the effects. 
Well, I'm glad. 

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I'm glad that things are 
hopefully OK, but. 

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Yeah, that should be fine mate. 
I'm I'm interested. 

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Do you always run your long runs
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I'd say except. 
For last week. 

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I'd say yeah, I'd say 90% of the
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Yep, except what happened last 
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Well, last Sunday, you and I. 
It's finally going to run 

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together this. 
Is why you put it at the top. 

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No, we haven't been for a run 
together for a while. 

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And back story again if you 
missed the last episode, I'm 

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doing this eight week challenge.
No booze, Whole Foods, clean 

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eating, trying to see, you know 
what sort of shape I can get 

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myself into in an 8 week 
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As part of that, I'm obviously 
off the booze and we had a 40th 

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birthday last Saturday night. 
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Now you and I had sent you a 
message. 

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We were meant to go up into the 
Norring Trails, do the 17 K 

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loop. 
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couple of two hours out there on
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That was what I was looking to 
do with some nice elevation. 

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I said come for a run. 
We'd lined it up. 530 start. 

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I ended up at a 40th with my 
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It's her. 
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husband's 40th, about an hour 
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about 9:30 and we'd been there 
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starting. 
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It's going to take me an hour to
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another half an hour to get to 
sleep. 

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I'm not getting to sleep till 
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If I need to make Courtney at 
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at 4:30. 
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hours sleep. 
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unfeasible. 
And your whole week you get up 

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at 3:30. 
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3:30 AM alarm. 
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tried the old subtle hint to my 
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bit tired. 
I'm sure you ever lie down in 

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the car? 
I'm just a bit sleepy and I 

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don't want to fall asleep on the
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She's like, all right, all 
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beer and we'll go. 
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rush. 
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the car, woke up an hour and a 
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I texted you and said, mate, I'm
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morning. 
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And as it was, I think I got to 
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So I would have been working off
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Wouldn't have been great. 
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I I got that message in the car 
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you, but it didn't matter 
because I got out to run anyway.

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But the reason I'm asking is 
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long runs on Sundays. 
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running structure, you know, as 
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for some reason, everyone's 
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Sunday. 
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I would suggest the reason 
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you're going to run longer, it 
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to do it. 
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know, with people running with 
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amateur reason. 
Is this outdated? 

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Should you? 
Would you get more? 

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Would it be a better weekend for
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run on a Saturday morning? 
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thing, and there's probably, I 
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to this on their long run right 
now and I know so that there are

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people who think this doesn't go
for long enough because they're 

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only halfway through their long 
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So apologies, but no, we're not 
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hours. 
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I've just kind of done it 
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always said to do. 
Do you long run Sundays? 

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It's long run Sundays exactly. 
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occasion, the long run Saturdays
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know why I do it on Sundays, 
except that's when everyone kind

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of does it well. 
I, I agree it's a thing that has

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become if you do a weekly 
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a certain, you know, it might be
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maybe if you run three sessions,

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a Saturday morning session and 
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Sunday. 
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Australian programme. 
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you know, if you structured your
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Saturday morning, got everything
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Is your rest day well? 
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day, it could be, you know, that
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a, a balanced life point of 
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doing all these other things, 
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way and then you've got the 
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do what you need to. 
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I can't speak to it though, from
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because the reality about radio 
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gonna sit here and try and tell 
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lives with a normal nine to five
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And it would be hypocritical of 
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Oh look, you know, I've got so 
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I've got enough time in my week 
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Friday if I wanted to. 
That that's true. 

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I'm not gonna try and understand
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normal job. 
OK, Yeah, fair. 

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You can do it if you want. 
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I'm, I'm probably even less 
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to do that, but I do. 
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Funny enough, I could, I could 
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majority of days anytime to a 
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now I'm doing sessions every 
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And it's interesting 'cause my 
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my brother, he sometimes 
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I believe it was to do around 1 
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giving them people with families
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weekend without running taking 
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Life. 
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quickly on that long run is that
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something of a is potentially 
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of a community run than maybe 
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match up that long run in a 
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morning. 
Yep, that, that's. 

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True as well. 
Because that's when it's most 

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convenient for most. 
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because you know in I'm going to
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episodes and we've talked about 
yeah, we've had conversations or

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discussions about whether you 
with coaches should have what we

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what do. 
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this is from very early on the 
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coach. 
What, what'll like, you know, 

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what is it based on a 
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something like this? 
Or have they gone to run coach 

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school have? 
They are they a run Dr Have they

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been to run college? 
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They been to run college. 
Funny enough, athletics. 

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Australia, I've just found out, 
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me this morning pointed out that
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Instagram page, Athletics 
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This is obviously which where 
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their run students. 
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have a listen to this because 
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distance or our long run. 
This week we're looking at a 

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study by Casado and colleagues 
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training factors that predict 
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distance runners. 
What was the biggest factor in 

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elite long distance running 
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Total running volume. 
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better they perform. 
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variation was explained by how 
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This means that for long 
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accumulating high mileage is 
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had the strongest correlation 
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short interval training sessions
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So high mileage may be the key 
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catch. 
It's useless. 

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If athletes can't or won't 
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too soon can lead to overuse 
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loss of motivation. 
Have we lost our viewers yet? 

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Can derail progress listeners. 
The athletes who stay in. 

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No, no, no. 
I don't think you've lost the 

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listeners. 
It's funny listening to that, 

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though. 
So that is a run Dr, as we'll 

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call them, who's gone to run 
college and is trying to teach 

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students at run. 
College and it comes from a it 

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comes from a study. 
That's what the first part of it

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was. 
So like it's it's a proper meta 

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study. 
No listening to that as you 

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talked about really interesting 
for for a non elite run alert 

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myself to hear the idea that 
it's it's things on you. 

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But hearing them pointed out 
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mileage matters. 
You need the. 

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Mileage matters. 
The case under your belt, time 

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on your feet, it matters, right?
But what also matters is how you

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accumulate that time on feet. 
OK, so you can't just do one 

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thing. 
So it's like they both matter. 

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I knew both those things, but 
hearing them explain that way is

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interesting. 
Then what jumped out to me, I, I

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feel like I don't quite know how
to classify it. 

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I feel like you almost want to 
call it the influencer 

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misunderstanding concept, which 
is that going from not enough 

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kilometres to too many 
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And there is a a very prominent 
example right now in the run 

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influencer world, which is in 
this copying it in a massive way

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the. 
Oh, the Lambros. 

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There we go. 
Yes, I, I, it. 

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I didn't. 
Let's jump into it. 

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You can, yeah. 
Let's jump into it. 

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Let's jump into it. 
So last week, if we're too short

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for your long run, I spoke with 
the trail keeper out of 

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Brisbane, who have a very 
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different. 
They call out people quite hard.

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Well, they have in the past. 
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We had a good fun conversation. 
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know, stayed in the same 
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runs and all of that type of 
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said, look, they asked me the 
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seem on camera? 
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They're they're creating 
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I mean, they're a different 
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the same time they're polite. 
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Never had a problem with them. 
Like guys, you know, probably 

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good blokes. 
This doesn't make them bad 

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people, no. 
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though, for those that aren't 
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back story. 
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Australia raising money for 
cancer have now made this their 

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social media identity. 
This is what they do. 

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They do challenges. 
They run marathons in the 

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desert. 
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Ned Brockman who did that same 
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Absolutely not. 
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couple of weeks is there has 
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against them because they've 
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weeks to launch a podcast and a 
podcast which is basically 

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unlike you and I, what we do, 
coming from a position of we'll 

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teach you how to become a 
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They are attempting to convey 
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experiences. 
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up to offer up a paid service. 
I did hear about the paid 

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service, the coaching 
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heard. 
Which is interestingly gone away

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now I because I when I saw that 
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service, I thought I'll be 
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what this involves. 
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to sign up for it and as 
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understanding yes thought well 
this isn't worth the money and 

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this is that old thing of if it 
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Chances are probably is probably
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Interestingly that's gone. 
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can sign up and I don't know 
what happens when you sign up 

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because I don't want to sign up.
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that influence mentality of oh 
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It's all mindset. 
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nothing to everything in the 
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If you just believe us and if 
you just trust in us with no 

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foundation to it that there's a 
perfect example where these guys

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have have done this thing and 
now suddenly their persona on 

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socials is of 1 of experts and 
because they're attempting to 

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run the length of the UK shortly
and and but the tide has turned 

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on them and very much and I 
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call out people on do what you 
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Do what you want. 
I think people should be warned 

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about the dangers and and being 
LED down the false path. 

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But it's interesting because 
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Jack Bennett who is a very good 
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Lives in Sydney, incredible 
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Life Without Andy, which is a 
social media site. 

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He's an amazing photographer as 
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cyclist. 
No, I'm, you know, you're 

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talking about now. 
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So I noticed as I was watching 
one of the videos of the Lambros

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brothers or whatever it is 
talking about calorie deficit 

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and how it led to injuries and 
how they recovered from injured 

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No blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. 

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Now I didn't understand what 
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My gut said probably not going 
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But interestingly, Jack, who's a
very good cyclist, was the first

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top comment for me and he just 
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This is wrong. 
If you follow and he's obviously

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he knows he's cycling. 
If you follow any information, 

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documentary learnings from the 
Tour de France, those guys live 

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on high carbohydrate diets 
fuelled by carbs because of the 

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kilometres that they're punching
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And it basically Jack was 
saying, and Jack doesn't have a 

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podcast platform or anything 
like that. 

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I had to call it that, but he 
was independently calling these 

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guys out and saying this is 
dangerous. 

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What you're doing to jump on 
here and create this information

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and seed it out to people as you
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people to pay for it is 
dangerous. 

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Yes. 
And that to me kind of, I sort 

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of looked at that when I think 
the tides turned on these guys. 

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I think that that what you are 
on social media, if you've gone 

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down this path of being this 
character and trying to drive 

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this message, and we can take 
you from nothing to everything 

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in this short period of time. 
If you just pay us this amount 

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of money, I think it's turned. 
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Think, I think, thankfully, I 
think the running public has 

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become aware enough of that 
bubble that we had of 

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influencers going, hey, we can 
teach you to run a marathon even

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if you are significantly 
overweight. 

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You haven't run since year 10. 
I think it's popped. 

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I think the bubble's popped. 
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the running public amateur 
professional leader, whatever 

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is, is now grown up and matured 
enough to ignore that sort of 

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stuff. 
I I just can't keep all the 

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thoughts going in my head at the
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I'm like, I'm like, I'm trying 
to go. 

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I got to remember to say this. 
I got to and too much is going 

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on in my head when you're 
talking all through that. 

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I think I try and keep it 
concise to two things off the 

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back of this, OK, three things. 
I mean, we know even just in 

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with what's happening in the 
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shift change and a whole range 
of things at the moment. 

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And I think that will have an 
effect on influences as well 

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because we're, we're having a 
course correction to a degree, 

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whichever, wherever, wherever 
that lands. 

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I do think that's going to have 
an effect on on the influencer 

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world in to some degree and. 
The type of content. 

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And the type of content and the 
way people can call people out 

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both ways. 
Yeah, yeah, fair. 

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Everyone, everyone gets their 
chance. 

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Sure, That's all fine and good. 
The first, the the first thing I

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want to say around where I think
the line has to be drawn in this

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stuff, like everyone's can say 
what they want. 

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Everyone can do what they want. 
That's fine. 

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Once once information starts 
becoming dangerous, I think 

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that's where the the line's got 
to be drawn because that can 

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hurt people. 
And if you're taking information

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off stuff that you really don't 
know and then putting it out 

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there without any caveat of like
this is just me in my 

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experience, but you would. 
So the difference is you telling

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verse, just telling what you do.
But once you're giving advice to

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tell and it's dangerous, I think
that's the point where we should

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get cut. 
Talking about your experiences 

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as opposed to instructing others
on how to do. 

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Things exactly, exactly. 
And if we ever do that on here, 

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I'm happy to be called out, 
right. 

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We'll try and I'll always try 
and tell them about from my 

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experience. 
But you every so often you'll 

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say and and do this and and It 
could be wrong in that sense. 

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So one caveat where I will say 
there, the only time I think 

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I've ever heard you give advice 
is when it's been asked for in 

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response to a question someone 
has submitted. 

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And what can we're going to 
continue to do that because if 

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people ask questions of us, Yep,
we'll answer the question. 

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Now going off the back of that, 
what what I learned, so I said I

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was being coached this morning, 
so I went to the run group down 

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at Gold Coast Run Co. 
It doesn't matter who you are or

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what level you've got to. 
There's an element where you can

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always continue to learn or 
whether even if you know some of

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those things, you need someone 
external or someone else to 

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point them out, but you want 
them to have expertise and then 

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to trust, right. 
So I was running this morning 

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and we're doing something click 
for me this morning running with

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Jack. 
I was going to talk about it 

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later on, but we're doing we did
a threshold to begin with and 

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that's fine. 
I've been running OK. 

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And then we go and do these hill
sprints and I'm I am hopeless. 

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Like, I mean, I'm, I'm literally
the second last person out of a 

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group of 20 of teenagers up to, 
you know, some decent, some of 

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the best Australian runners. 
And Jacko ran up past me 

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bounding and I like kind of 
went, I'm kind of trying to 

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struggle, like really run hard 
up here. 

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And all I did was simply go into
a bit, a bit of a bound and 

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overemphasise what I was doing. 
And all of a sudden my hips come

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up. 
I was bounding off the ground 

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and I just went. 
Jacko, I just watched your 

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number. 
You just unlocked it. 

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It was something I've just over 
time and kind of I just couldn't

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get a handle on. 
Yeah, he in, in one instance of 

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just giving a bit of advice and 
we're talking a little bit about

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we, we talked about cues earlier
as well. 

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And there's a cue that he often 
uses in the morning before we go

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and do the heels about thinking 
about your heel as a your heel 

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heel, your knee as a little bit 
of a lever. 

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And think of that. 
There's a stick going through 

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your knee and that when you 
bring your leg, you know, your 

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foot through, you want to be 
able to lift your knee high 

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enough to get your foot over 
that. 

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The other knee. 
I don't know if that's coming 

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through clear enough. 
What? 

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I can explain it when I show it,
but it it is a queue that works 

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for me. 
But all of a sudden that clicked

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for me this morning and suddenly
I'm running up this hill, 

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bounding, feeling great, calves 
unlock, everything's great. 

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And it came off just a little 
queue and seeing someone I trust

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run where I was going with all 
this is, yeah, we're we're 

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talking about advice and 
listening to people like that. 

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Doesn't matter who you are, you 
always got something to learn or

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relearn and there's always 
something new that you can put 

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in there. 
It never changes. 

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The other word you just 
mentioned there, which is a key 

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one I think for anybody out 
there who's looking to get a run

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coach, find some inspiration, 
find some instruction, anything 

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like that is trust. 
Trust and you running with Jacko

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this morning, there's someone 
you trust and you've learnt 

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something. 
Yep, I think there's these. 

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I think the bubble has burst on 
these influences with who don't 

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have the trust of the audience 
on technical stuff and 

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expertise. 
I think the trust has gone and 

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now I think the the public has 
become what I thought, which is,

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which is nice, but I'm, I'm, I'm
happy for your running. 

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I'm excited for your running. 
That's great. 

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But the double, yes, So the 
double down on the back of that 

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we we talked about the 
Australian coaching stuff like 

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we agree with it because it's, 
it's, it's not common sense, but

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we're all in agreement. 
Best practise? 

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The more you run, the more 
chance you've got to run better.

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Yep, the more your mileage does 
matter, but you've got to do it 

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conservatively. 
Mileage does matter, and mileage

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with structure matters more, 
yes. 

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There you go. 
There you go. 

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That was some pretty heavy 
running stuff. 

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Well, can we talking about event
quickly? 

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Yeah, go for it. 
Coast to coast, coast to coast. 

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Now you've done this event, 
haven't you? 

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I've done this event twice. 
I've done it. 

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I've raced it once and I've 
someone's gonna call me. 

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I've got a feeling I've got 5th,
5th baby. 

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Wow, 6/7. 
This is around there. 

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Can you summarise coast to coast
for anybody that might not be 

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aware of it? 
So as far as I'm concerned, it 

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is the best adventure race 
slash. 

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Well, it's got a course so the 
hardcore adventure races will 

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call us out. 
It's a multi sport event, not an

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adventure race. 
OK, but I call it an adventure 

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race 'cause it's an adventure. 
And it's a race. 

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00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,720
And it's in one day. 
It's longer than an Iron Man in 

449
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,880
the fact that the winners will 
go about 11 hours. 

450
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,400
The elite winners you start on 
one side of New Zealand over at 

451
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,960
Greymouth. 
You run off the beach 3K, get on

452
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:37,280
a bike in a group ride up the 
range 60K give or take a 30K 

453
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,920
mountain run, which is one of 
the hardest mountain runs of 

454
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,080
what trail runs you ever do. 
The 1st 16 K is up a river on 

455
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,520
boulders and then you get up 
into the pass and it's muddy and

456
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,840
you know, crazy. 
Then the then the real fun 

457
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,200
begins because oh, you jump back
on the bike quickly the fun 

458
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,200
begins. 
You got a 70 kilometre paddle 

459
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,160
down a river with grade 2 
Rapids. 

460
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,960
Half of the time you don't know 
which way you're going because 

461
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,160
there's like what you call 
braids in the river. 

462
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,880
So some of the braids actually 
turned into dead ends so. 

463
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,320
What do you do if you're a dead 
end? 

464
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,960
You, you port Portage, you bite.
I mean, sometimes you will get 

465
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,400
out. 
You will. 

466
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,200
The only option is to actually 
get out of the boat, pick it up 

467
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,320
and run back over or walk back 
over to the where the river's 

468
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,120
still running. 
So in the weeks before the race,

469
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,280
that sounds horrible, that 
people will go and learn it. 

470
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,760
And that's what makes it so hard
for the Australians to win 

471
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440
because the Kiwis are just 
locals and they understand the 

472
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,200
river, they understand the 
terrain, they've got such a big 

473
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,240
advantage. 
And then you finish off at the 

474
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,200
other side of New Zealand, 
arriving at Christchurch after 

475
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,400
another 70K cycle in normally to
a headwind to finish. 

476
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,320
That's. 
It's it's a manic event. 

477
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,080
Good news is I think, I don't 
know the exact stat, but Alex 

478
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,960
Hunt won from Australia this 
weekend. 

479
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,920
He took it out for the Aussies 
for the first time since John 

480
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Jacoby. 
And I'm gonna just, I'm not even

481
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,240
going to take a stab at many 
decades ago. 

482
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Right, that's awesome. 
So when Aussie has reclaimed the

483
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,000
crown of Costa. 
Aussies has reclaimed the crown.

484
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,080
Crown to the well they call it 
the Multi sport World 

485
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,120
Championship. 
Self proclaimed of course. 

486
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,400
Yeah, but I truly believe it is.
It's on my bucket list. 

487
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760
It's it's on my list. 
If you ever came to Red Bull 

488
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Defiance and did the race that 
Red Bull put on, that's awesome.

489
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,560
This is like, now that that's 
not running at the moment, this 

490
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,880
is the race you got to go to. 
What do we have to do to get 

491
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,400
Defiance back up and going? 
You know what I'd love to hear 

492
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,840
and this is, this is a bit of 
what would you call it, 

493
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,360
crowdsourcing. 
If. 

494
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,720
You know what Red Bull Defiance 
was and you've got an idea for 

495
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,600
the most epic Red Bull Defiance 
course in Australia that you 

496
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,520
could come up with. 
And the and the one kind of like

497
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,800
caveat it's got to have, it's 
got to have something unique in 

498
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,320
it. 
So the uniqueness of racing up 

499
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,280
in Mission Beach, Mission Beach 
up in Cairns was the fact the 

500
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,240
first hour and half of the race 
was a white. 

501
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,920
Water raft, white water raft 
there. 

502
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Yep. 
OK. 

503
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,440
So you gotta, it's gotta have 
magic, it's gotta have something

504
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,080
magic in there to. 
You gotta capture the 

505
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,320
imagination. 100% if you if you 
can figure that out for us, you 

506
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,880
never know. 
I like it this I mean, I feel 

507
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,880
like people have been trying to 
do that for us a little bit 

508
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,400
already, but in the beginning 
family assemble side into the 

509
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,720
DMS, leave a comment. 
We wanna I I would love to get 

510
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,120
Courtney and the crew at Red 
Bull to bring this event back. 

511
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,800
I think it was one of the, it's 
one of the greatest races and 

512
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,840
things I've ever done and I'd 
love to see them bring it back. 

513
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,080
And if we can give them the if 
we can light the spark with 

514
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,120
something from here, all the 
better for it. 

515
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,400
Yep. 
And Alex, a massive Congrats to 

516
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Alex. 
Hey, And well done Al. 

517
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,480
He won one of the Red Bull 
defiances. 

518
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080
Yeah, OK. 
Good training grounds. 

519
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Yeah, nice, nice. 
Now I've got something here for 

520
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,520
you, Liam, the three pictures, 
and I'm going to explain them to

521
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,560
you and I want to know what you 
think. 

522
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,160
So the first picture I've got 
here on the board is a whole 

523
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:06,040
heap of really nice, you know, 
it's kind of like tender, mate. 

524
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,440
Yep, an egg with a little bit of
pepper on top of it, some some 

525
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,840
berries and some avocado on a 
cutting board. 

526
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,960
Yep. 
Second picture I've got here is 

527
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,640
a whole heap of nutrition stuff.
So we got I can see some 

528
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,560
collagen, I can see some organic
apple cider at the back and a 

529
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,520
few other some. 
Creatine in there, some 

530
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,800
sprinkled. 
Other things. 

531
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,000
And then the third picture I can
see some multiple journals, a 

532
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,040
pair of noise cancelling 
headphones. 

533
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,040
What's going on here? 
This is a very organised young 

534
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,400
man. 
It is. 

535
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,400
We've spoken about him before. 
It's Will Ashcroft's post I'm 

536
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,400
grabbing we. 
Need to I know I know that to 

537
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,160
divert ever so slightly I know 
that people want us to start 

538
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,000
getting guests on in the 
beginning and we and we are 

539
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800
planning on doing that It's in 
the it's in the world. 

540
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Will Ashcroft has to be one of 
the first because this is a 

541
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,400
young man who I think with the 
stuff we've talked about with 

542
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,200
noisemakers within the social 
media space in the athletic 

543
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,480
world, with footy that we've 
talked about a little bit with 

544
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,000
professionalism towards your 
sport. 

545
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080
This this bloke is the Venn 
diagram for a lot of the things 

546
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,920
we've talked about. 
He's a fascinating young man who

547
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320
I'd love to speak to one on one 
with you one day. 

548
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,640
OK, getting back to the pictures
like this is just. 

549
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760
So his headline was process 
driven 2025 and this is his 

550
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
coming off winning, you know, 
best best at the grand final. 

551
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,480
Norm Smith medal in the grand 
final and thank you because he 

552
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,040
made me look like a genius 
because every podcast I went on 

553
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,200
in the lead up or radio show I 
went on in the lead up to that 

554
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080
grand final, I said Lions to win
Will Ashcroft to win the Norm 

555
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Smith because I know how 
professional he is and you and I

556
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,880
have had chat about him before. 
I look at these photos and I 

557
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,400
love that. 
I'm really excited about seeing 

558
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800
how he goes on field and I'll 
get to call some of his games 

559
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,160
this year for Triple M because 
there's and if you want to break

560
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,000
it down, food says he's looking 
after his health. 

561
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,280
He's putting the right fuels 
into his body. 

562
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Yep, the supplements picture 
shows me that what he can't get 

563
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,600
all the extra stuff that he 
needs to find as an elite 

564
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,320
athlete, he's found what he 
needs. 

565
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
And then the picture with the 
journals, the noise cancelling 

566
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,440
headphones, shows that he's 
aware of his mental needs as 

567
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,040
well as his physical ones, and 
that he's found a way to 

568
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,600
prioritise and organise those 
for himself as well. 

569
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,440
That's what I see in those. 
That's what you see like I'm not

570
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,440
gonna mate. 
He just become the best player 

571
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,880
in the grand final last year. 
Who are we to you know, say 

572
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,960
what's wrong or right? 
It's working for him and that's 

573
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,800
amazing. 
We can interpret I'm I'm 

574
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:48,440
exhausted looking at that. 
I'm I'm as you know from my days

575
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,600
I every time I see yeah, 
everyone's got their own way 

576
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,200
about going about things right 
and there's in with this new 

577
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,440
generation. 
I'll call it journalling 

578
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,200
especially has been come such a 
thing right Journal. 

579
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,040
I don't I don't journal, but I'm
going to try and remember when I

580
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,320
trained pre digital times, we 
talked about Excel spreadsheets.

581
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880
I'm going to go one step further
back for you next week and bring

582
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,960
out my original training 
journals. 

583
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,040
OK, so so you do journal or you 
did? 

584
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Journal I when I had a young 
kid, you could say a journal, 

585
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,920
but I journal my training. 
But what I was writing was how I

586
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,480
felt in my training, what 
happened around training. 

587
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400
So, you know, there's some 
interesting stories I've 

588
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,920
probably written in later why I 
trained. 

589
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160
So crap the next day. 
I'm going to show you these next

590
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,000
week, so we'll have a different 
conversation on that. 

591
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640
So yeah, I did journal, but I 
didn't journal about my 

592
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,920
feelings. 
I didn't journal about my 

593
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,360
feelings. 
I journaled because I was 

594
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,320
getting, I wanted to look at why
I was performing and not 

595
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,600
performing. 
I so the new way of journalling.

596
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,880
I don't think it's necessarily a
training diary. 

597
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,640
No, it's a life diary. 
No, right? 

598
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,720
It's to empty out your thoughts 
and to ascertain what's working 

599
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,560
for you in life and all that 
sort of stuff. 

600
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,240
I've said this. 
Before on this point, and this 

601
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,240
is me, right? 
I would much prefer to watch 

602
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Netflix. 
I don't care if I want to relax,

603
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:20,560
I am watching Netflix or Prime, 
whatever the hell it is or I I'm

604
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,360
even happy to sit down and just 
play Tetris. 

605
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,400
The I this is work. 
To me this is work and I don't I

606
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240
did enough training in in hard 
enough training that I did not 

607
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,640
want to come home and do extra 
work. 

608
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560
There you go. 
That's an A lead athlete. 

609
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
You got the runs on the board, 
you do what is you do. 

610
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760
You the old school vision of 
that but. 

611
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Courtney, you do you let will do
him. 

612
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,720
They're both going to work out. 
As for the I'm not for the 

613
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,800
average person. 
I had. 

614
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Do you have you ever listened to
the Resilience Project? 

615
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,400
Hugh Van Kluckenberg. 
Yeah. 

616
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,280
And he's now got the Imperfect 
podcast, which is the latest 

617
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,080
episode with Mick fanning up is 
incredible. 

618
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,480
I went and saw Hugh speak and do
his presentation, The Resilience

619
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Project years ago when I was 
still living in Sydney. 

620
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960
It was incredible. 
It was a genuinely amazing 

621
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,680
presentation. 
I took a lot of lessons out of 

622
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,000
it. 
I still, I regurgitate some of 

623
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,440
the stories that Hugh told, not 
as my own, but I said Hugh has 

624
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,960
to. 
I heard this story from Hugh van

625
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,880
Klogenman. 
Incredible. 

626
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,960
If you ever get a chance to go 
and see him do, it's an amazing 

627
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640
experience. 
He has these, what he calls the 

628
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,680
Resilience Diaries or something 
that you fill out. 

629
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,120
You know, today I was proud of 
this. 

630
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Today, I was happy with this. 
I feel this way because I'm 

631
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,760
grateful for this person. 
Da da, da, da da. 

632
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,360
I tried to consistently fill 
those out. 

633
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Did you have his his diary? 
Yep, His diary. 

634
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,640
I couldn't. 
It couldn't. 

635
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,840
It didn't stick. 
It just. 

636
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360
It just couldn't. 
I couldn't because I think I'm 

637
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,200
like you, where I got to the 
point I liked the idea of what 

638
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,280
they're meant to provide or what
they do provide for people. 

639
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Oh, that's good. 
I like the idea of what they do 

640
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,080
provide for for people or 
people. 

641
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Dusty Martin, Hugh talks about 
the impact that that stuff has 

642
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,280
had on Dustin Martin, one of the
best footballs that we've ever 

643
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,160
seen in the world of AFL. 
And my brain liked the idea of 

644
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,360
that. 
I I like the thought that I 

645
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,280
could get the same stuff out of 
it, yes, but I didn't. 

646
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,680
Interesting. 
I just, it, it didn't provide 

647
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,400
the same results for me. 
And I do see people, I've got 

648
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320
friends who journal and talk 
about, you know, their 

649
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,560
journalling and all that sort of
stuff. 

650
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,600
And I kind of go, I wish it did 
the same stuff for me, but I 

651
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,200
tried and it didn't and. 
I love, I love the fact you 

652
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,520
said, you know, I thought it 
would like the idea of things 

653
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,440
sometimes is nearly the 
motivating factor than the 

654
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,160
actual outcome. 
Yeah, which, you know, you'll 

655
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,280
try things, I agree. 
But what I'm doing here is 

656
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,560
definitely not. 
We're not, we're not. 

657
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,800
I'm definitely not ragging on 
this. 

658
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400
This is what I like. 
Like you just said, this has 

659
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,200
changed a lot of sports people's
perspectives and and they've had

660
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,160
amazing results out of it. 
I'm also presenting the other 

661
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,520
side of it of that it's not 
everything works for everyone. 

662
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200
There's no cookie cutter. 
There's no cookie cutter like 

663
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,440
solution here of like, well, you
know, you're having a bad day, 

664
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
you're having a bad thing. 
Well, you should go and journal.

665
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Like to some people that is the 
to me, you said that to me and 

666
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,720
I'm like, that is I could not 
think of anything more I would 

667
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,520
dislike to do. 
I'd hate. 

668
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Being in Yeah Be, I've never 
been an elite athlete, but. 

669
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,040
I But not even as an elite 
athlete. 

670
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,360
It's even right now. 
By numbers, it's not X + y = Z 

671
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,640
it's. 
Do you know what? 

672
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,000
Last night I and I'll talk a bit
about my running week. 

673
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Yeah, in a minute. 
But after I finished a run last 

674
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,040
night, I, I know because I was 
running with music off my watch 

675
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,200
with headphones in. 
Yep, I finished my run and I 

676
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,960
probably had two KS to walk 
home, took the headphones out 

677
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,800
and consciously because I am at 
the radio station and then doing

678
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,840
podcasts and stuff, I have 
stimuli going into my head 

679
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,840
constantly. 
I don't get a lot of and even 

680
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880
when I'm in the car, it's a 
podcast or it's I'm there's 

681
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,920
stimuli going into my head 
constantly. 

682
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,159
I made the IT was a very 
conscious decision last night 

683
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,639
after I finished my run to take 
my headphones out and just and 

684
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,639
even avoid looking at my watch. 
Like just can't just go. 

685
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,480
Don't just stop, just see if you
can just take it exist with 

686
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,480
nothing. 
You're like a human amplifier. 

687
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,280
Oh, just like just noise coming 
in the whole time. 

688
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,719
I. 
I am and I found and as soon as 

689
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,960
I do that, I find every time I 
do that, my brain drifts and 

690
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,400
starts thinking about things. 
Not in a panicky way, but just 

691
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,880
in a nice way. 
And I start thinking through 

692
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,280
things that for me, so much more
valuable than sitting down at 

693
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,000
night in my bed or wherever and 
writing down my thoughts. 100%. 

694
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,680
Well, yeah, I don't need to keep
them. 

695
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,720
Yeah, but it that's better. 
For well, I've said this before,

696
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,280
when I'm running and all my 
every I I like. 

697
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640
I've actually got a predicament 
sometimes now when I run because

698
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,800
sometimes I'm run with my phone 
to listen to whatever it is 

699
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,440
podcast. 
And when I do I'm I can kind of 

700
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,240
like verbally take notes as I 
go. 

701
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,960
Because when I'm thinking of 
things that actually is good, 

702
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,520
when I run without a phone and I
have these ideas, by the time I 

703
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,360
get back I forget what the idea 
was. 

704
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,280
I have a theory that if it's 
important enough, you'll. 

705
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Remember. 
I'll remember. 

706
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,240
Yeah, that's fair. 
Look, we're not. 

707
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Yeah. 
Everyone do you? 

708
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Because you know everything. 
Everyone if all different 

709
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,840
things. 
But I think the message there 

710
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,160
is, yeah, do you? 
Do you? 

711
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,720
Just because everyone else is 
journaling doesn't mean you have

712
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,440
to do it if if it doesn't work 
for you, yeah. 

713
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,320
Just on the AFL stuff while 
we're talking about Will, have 

714
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640
you seen this? 
This, this fella followed us. 

715
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,880
That's where I I noticed he's a 
supporter. 

716
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,960
Have you seen this? 
Max Gorn runs, runs double, 

717
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,640
double gang. 
What do you how do you say 

718
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,440
double gang? 
So if you're not aware of Max 

719
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,200
Gorn, captain of the Melbourne 
Demons, he is a 7 foot tall 

720
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,640
bloke who has an enormous beard 
and a shaved head. 

721
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,760
And this guy Max Gorn underscore
runs fair dinkum. 

722
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Looks exactly like that. 
He's a ring of haze. 

723
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,240
He's got the height. 
It's awesome. 

724
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,880
He's a big, tall unit with a 
shaved head and a big old beard.

725
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000
Who runs. 
Max Gorn is a fit dude, by the 

726
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,680
way. 
Yeah. 

727
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,320
Maxi Gorn. 
I mean, oh, I felt plus for the 

728
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,600
most part of fit him one way or 
another. 

729
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Yes, but he's a cyclist. 
He's a big cyclist. 

730
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,000
And he he's good mates with 
Hamish Blake, who's turned 

731
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,120
himself into a weapon of an 
athlete too, Monji. 

732
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,800
But yeah, Maxi Gorn. 
Very, very aerobically good 

733
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,280
athlete. 
Yeah. 

734
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,520
So I was I was glad to see him 
slot into our IG. 

735
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Shout out. 
Maxi Gorn runs. 

736
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Yeah Maxi Gorn runs so on to 
some What do you want to do you 

737
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,800
want to do your run weeks or 
loose ends first let's. 

738
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Let's tie up some loose ends 
because there were some things 

739
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,000
that need to be tied up, namely 
the main reel out of last week. 

740
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,360
If you're not following on the 
Instagram in the beginning and 

741
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,960
this kind of. 
Podcast This come off the back 

742
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,800
of your Dexter scan. 
Dexter. 

743
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Dexter. 
I don't know why you keep on 

744
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,640
going with Dexter as though it's
the the serial killer, the DEXA 

745
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,040
scan. 
It's part of my eight week 

746
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,560
challenge is to measure your 
body fat. 

747
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,440
We were talking about the idea 
of body fat and we got onto the 

748
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,200
fact that in. 
I said, why the hell are you 

749
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,480
doing that? 
Why don't you just use 

750
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,320
callipers? 
That's right now in the elite 

751
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,800
athletes space that has been, 
it's been criticised by some. 

752
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,280
It's, you know, there's in the 
AFL as an example, they don't 

753
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,240
list the weights. 
Of the players, we weren't sure 

754
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:32,880
on the lay of the land. 
I called out. 

755
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,400
I thought that behind the scenes
this was still going on. 

756
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Look, we did get a bit of a bit 
of it. 

757
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,760
Was mixed feedback. 
Yeah, mixed feedback about the 

758
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,000
thing, the scanned, we got some 
info on the scan is more 

759
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,800
accurate. 
So you should be using that. 

760
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,760
Then callipers, Yep. 
Then callipers. 

761
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360
I well, what I've researched 
now, yeah, it probably is for 

762
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,880
certain things, but I'm here to 
say that I've got some. 

763
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,000
I'm not going to say who because
it's come from a few different. 

764
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,680
I'm not going to call out which 
which teams or anything like 

765
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
that, but I've got a good 
authority. 

766
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960
It's still happening. 
Of course it is behind the 

767
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,200
scenes for exactly the same 
reasons I said it works. 

768
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,440
And if you're trying to look for
performance and your body weight

769
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,200
is a factor in that performance 
and you want to measure it over 

770
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,440
time. 
Now this is the key. 

771
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,640
It's measuring it over time to 
get a consistent reading. 

772
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920
If you have the same callipers, 
the same person doing it, the 

773
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000
way it works, I probably didn't 
explain well enough last week. 

774
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040
We're not really that concerned 
about the percentage. 

775
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
You know, that's a, that's one 
of those kind of like whoop 

776
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,280
figures, you know, an arbitrary 
figure that you tell your mates.

777
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,560
It's all about mill, it's about 
millimetres. 

778
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,520
So generally they'll take 7 
sites, the same sites you'll 

779
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,120
measure with a tape measure, 
you'll go back to that exact 

780
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,720
same site. 
So halfway down the calf, 

781
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,240
halfway around the, the back of 
the calf, measure it with a 

782
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,600
tape, cross it off, take that 
spot. 

783
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,840
Now you get millimetre readings 
from that 7 sites and you're 

784
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,360
looking at about 50 mil is a 
pretty good indication that 

785
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,080
you're, you know, and everyone's
going to be different depending 

786
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080
on what you know. 
I'm tipping a Ford in the rugby 

787
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,880
team needs a different scale to 
look at than a triathlon. 

788
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,240
Again, it's like, it's like all 
the shoes and stuff. 

789
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,520
It's personal. 
It's specific to you as a 

790
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480
person, but. 
For the reason of ease and the 

791
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,520
reason of cost, and for the 
reason of it's just quickly 

792
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,720
available and can be redone over
times callipers every day of the

793
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,000
week. 
Interestingly, and again I won't

794
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,040
mention who specifically, but 
somebody who was, who I know is 

795
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,120
a former elite athlete reached 
out and said regarding callipers

796
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,760
says I'm still triggered by my 
experience as an elite athlete 

797
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,360
with those things. 
Yes, which goes to show that 

798
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,080
again, and this is probably why 
some sports and in some 

799
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,160
industries don't use them 
anymore or don't openly discuss 

800
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,680
using them because there is. 
There's both sides to the 

801
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,440
argument. 
You know what I'd like, I'd 

802
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,560
probably challenge on that is 
it's not the fault of the 

803
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,520
callipers. 
Yep. 

804
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,880
It's actually at that stage. 
It's how the conversation and, 

805
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,520
and the reasons and and why 
you're doing it and how that can

806
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,600
actually help. 
It's not a threatening thing. 

807
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,760
So it's not. 
The fault of the athlete. 

808
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,720
Either it's the process. 
I would actually, of which the 

809
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,480
callipers, I would go up the 
chain and say, yeah, there's 

810
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,440
pressure coming from an external
source of this that's putting 

811
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,880
undue pressure in the OR or 
presenting it in the wrong way. 

812
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600
But if you're an athlete, you 
should want to improve. 

813
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,240
Absolutely. 
OK, got that Rand out. 

814
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Let's get let's. 
Let's and anyone who wants to, I

815
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,600
do have some science and I'm not
going to bore you with on this, 

816
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,920
but we you know, those 
conclusions I've come to are 

817
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,680
right. 
I quickly can I throw something 

818
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,080
about and I don't want to 
disappear back into nasal 

819
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,240
breathing. 
But we did get a message from 

820
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,600
Jake who wanted to share his 
thoughts because he says love 

821
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
the pod fellas. 
Recently listened to Kipchoggi 

822
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120
LED Kipchoggi the Great. 
Recently listened to Kipchoggi's

823
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,440
one and only podcast from 20/22.
He only breathes through his 

824
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320
mouth while he's running. 
If it works. 

825
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,360
For him, if it works for Elliot,
I'm in board. 

826
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,520
I wonder a. 
Podcast the only podcast you 

827
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,600
ever did Wonder what was that? 
We'll find it. 

828
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,920
Yep, we'll find what are we 
doing? 

829
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,480
I'm just completely got coaster 
cosy. 

830
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,360
We're talking about the the the 
main ultra. 

831
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,720
If you went to race and ultra, I
think last week and talking 

832
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,160
about maybe it has something to 
do with race medals and things 

833
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,720
like that as well. 
But just so everyone who doesn't

834
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,240
know what Coast of Cosy is, 
we've got some information back 

835
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,760
around. 
OK, So it's from the beach in 

836
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,520
Eden. 
Eden's got some. 

837
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,880
Have you heard about the 
mountain bike parks and 

838
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,240
everything that you've told me 
about? 

839
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,600
Yeah. 
So all the investment I'm 

840
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,320
hanging to get down there. 
I thought my last, at the end of

841
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,680
my last Subaru trip, I was going
to Eden. 

842
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Ended up, I can't remember, I 
told you you had someone else 

843
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,000
somewhere down further South, 
but I thought I was getting back

844
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,560
there in a mountain bike. 
But great, great big investment 

845
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,680
in the mountain biking. 
You start there at the beach and

846
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,240
you get run all the way up to 
Kosciusko, mainly Rd with a 38 

847
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,760
kilometre Rd climb at the end. 
So I'm assuming that's up to 

848
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Perisher, up the Charlotte's 
pathway and then running up to 

849
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,840
the top 50 invitations only. 
I love that. 

850
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,320
I love that. 
That's so cool, the exclusivity.

851
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Yeah, we talked about this with 
events before. 

852
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Now I apologise because I I 
haven't written down the name 

853
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,000
who sent this to us? 
He's obviously done it, but 

854
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,320
Costa Cosi you get in a Cooper 
hat when you finish for the 

855
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,240
first time. 
Right, that's a great and this 

856
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,240
is back to finisher prize for 
those finisher prizes. 

857
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:45,040
Sally previously told us that we
we went deep on the idea that 

858
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
race events should look at 
trying to get better finisher 

859
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,240
prizes for the competitors. 
Sally had a Tiffany necklace 

860
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,760
from the Nagoya Women's 
Marathon. 

861
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,600
We asked if anybody had any 
other cool, like genuinely? 

862
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840
Cool, great ones. 
Race finish we. 

863
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Talked about the dry bag. 
For the dry bag for some fines. 

864
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,440
Cooper has a good one. 
That's a great one. 

865
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,840
They're expensive too. 
But it goes one step further 

866
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760
though, because every time you 
then finish the race, 

867
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,040
subsequently they give you a pin
and so as you. 

868
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,840
This is again for coast. 
So each time if you spot someone

869
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,880
with the hat and you see the 
pins, you and Selena, ah, 

870
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
they've done Coast Cosy and 
they've done it 1234. 

871
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440
It's like keeping a tally on the
side of your cobra so. 

872
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,080
It's like and then you you meet 
someone and it's like who's got 

873
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,440
the bigger? 
And he's got big more pins. 

874
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,240
He's got the biggest, got the 
more pins it's. 

875
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,720
Literally a measuring concept, 
yeah. 

876
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,240
Yes, I love it. 
This is great. 

877
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,760
What's the other one? 
Oh, Ando was talking about? 

878
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Ando from Wild Earth was talking
about UT 800. 

879
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,920
The belt buckle. 
Yes. 

880
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600
That's a good one. 
Jen's a good one, but it's been 

881
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,600
done. 
Bell buckles are kind of Yeah, 

882
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,160
it's I don't. 
Overdone at this. 

883
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,160
Time over that, I don't think 
they're unique anymore. 

884
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,240
No, I think is the point. 
Jen, Red Bull, Jen Jen Davies 

885
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,840
jumped in and said the Yandina 
50 OK finishes at a brewery and 

886
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,960
when you finish the 50K you get 
a growler, which you can feel at

887
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,520
the pub. 
The growler is kind of those jug

888
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
looking things that a lot of 
breweries make these days. 

889
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,000
So you've when you finish the 
run, you get that and you can 

890
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,800
fill that up at the hub. 
Unlimited. 

891
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Beer, I reckon after 50 KS 
you're probably one of those 

892
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,160
you'll be. 
But she said she's got great 

893
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,560
memories of driving Brett home 
after it, drinking straight out 

894
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,400
of the Growler and then Dead Cow
Gully. 

895
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,000
She also said you get a a vacuum
packed cow shit. 

896
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,320
I don't know if that's a good 
one. 

897
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,080
That's anyway, I'm not sure I 
like that there's some 

898
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,960
interesting finish prizes out 
there. 

899
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Yeah, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. 
Now we've got we've got heaves 

900
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,760
on, let's get to our running 
weeks. 

901
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,360
All right, Liam, what do you go 
first? 

902
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,600
No. 
You go, what have you been up 

903
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,200
to? 
I had firstly let me say I 

904
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,840
almost had a hedges moment last 
night. 

905
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,240
In the dark. 
Jumping back to last week's 

906
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,800
episode, Hedges Ave St on the 
Gold Coast, Bit of all video 

907
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,600
going around from an incident on
there where a bloke is running 

908
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,160
in the bike lane, bikes are 
coming the other way towards 

909
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,880
him. 
He decides he doesn't want to 

910
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,040
move, puts the bumper bars up, 
knocks these two people off 

911
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
their bikes. 
Anyway, last night I'm running 

912
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,920
and I was on the left hand side 
of the Oceanway path down near 

913
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Chugen. 
And these two, I'm going to 

914
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:32,600
guess that they were tourists, 
backpackers, backpackers who 

915
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,960
come from a country where you 
drive on the opposite side of 

916
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,680
the road. 
Because these two could not have

917
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,360
been more on the wrong side. 
It was. 

918
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520
And I was looking at them from a
distance. 

919
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,640
I'm like they're surely they're 
going to move because they were 

920
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,400
running two abreast towards me, 
similar. 

921
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,760
It felt exactly like the hedges 
thing towards me, towards me, 

922
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,920
towards me. 
And I'm thinking they're going 

923
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,320
to move, they're going to move, 
they're going to move, they're 

924
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,000
going to move because there was 
all this space next to. 

925
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Me, but they're thinking they're
in the right as. 

926
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,920
Well, but they thought they were
in the right and in the end I 

927
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,840
had to. 
Unlike the bloke in hedges, I 

928
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,680
didn't put my bumpers up. 
I literally stepped up against 

929
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,480
the fence and they just rode 
past me and I thought I found 

930
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,120
myself going. 
I think I sympathise a bit more 

931
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,640
with that bloke on hedges now 
because I almost did it. 

932
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
But in the end I thought, I'm 
guessing they're from somewhere 

933
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,960
else where they think they're on
the right side of the football. 

934
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,400
Or they were just having cones 
down in the. 

935
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040
They might have been actually 
did not. 

936
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Realise. 
There was a lean going on, Yep. 

937
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,960
But the other big thing about 
that run for me last night, I, 

938
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,600
I've been having this feeling 
because I've been doing a lot 

939
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,080
of, and I won't call it zone 2 
running because that's one of 

940
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,680
the bad words here. 
But I've been having a, I've 

941
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,640
been doing a lot of slower trail
running. 

942
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,760
I've been up in the trails, I've
been running slower. 

943
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,920
I've not worried about my per K 
pace, more worried about the 

944
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,320
time out there and getting some 
elevation in and, and making 

945
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,960
sure my weekly time on feet is 
growing. 

946
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,560
And as a result, I haven't been 
doing a lot of threshold work. 

947
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,440
I haven't been doing a lot of 
speed work. 

948
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,880
And I'll, I'll be honest, 
yesterday I knew I had, I knew I

949
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,360
should do a threshold run. 
I had this really strange 

950
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:21,360
feeling of I don't want to run. 
I'm I'm nervous about running 

951
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,720
fast. 
I don't want that feeling that I

952
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,520
know comes from doing some 
threshold work. 

953
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,000
I don't want to be knackered. 
I didn't want. 

954
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,480
I don't mind right now in my 
head, for whatever reason. 

955
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,440
I don't mind the idea of being 
knackered after a long a long 

956
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,000
slow two hours, but the idea of 
being cooked after a fast? 

957
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,440
Like the red line? 
Page I'm scared of the red line 

958
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,120
right now. 
I'm genuinely it's a very weird 

959
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,680
feeling. 
That actually you're scared of 

960
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,920
the red line or you're scared of
knowing what what pace you're 

961
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,200
doing. 
I'm not worried. 

962
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,360
About you're not worried about 
most people I think would be 

963
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,480
like I'm I don't want to do the 
threshold because I'm worried 

964
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,160
then I'll find out where I'm at.
I've left my ego on this running

965
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,640
journey. 
I've left the egos a long way 

966
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,920
behind me, right? 
Honestly, this podcast has been 

967
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,760
great because it has helped me 
get really comfortable with who 

968
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,280
I am and what I am as a runner. 
I just love running. 

969
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,120
I know I love running on. 
My ego is behind me. 

970
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,200
I'm still setting targets for 
myself because I want to get 

971
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,480
better, so I'm not. 
I wasn't going to be worried 

972
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,320
about what my threshold pace 
was, but it was genuinely the 

973
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:29,480
fear of going that redlining is 
tough and I've battled and I 

974
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,760
didn't want to hit it and I was 
anyway. 

975
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Last night, Ted, the kids had 
some dinner and went just put 

976
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,760
your shoes on and go for a run. 
And even then I was kind of like

977
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,200
my watch my garments suggesting 
30 minute threshold. 

978
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
I'm like get stuffed. 
I do not have 30 minutes of 

979
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,040
threshold in me. 
So in the end I went out and I'm

980
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,880
like I've got to do, I've got to
try. 

981
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,840
So I did 4 minutes a 4K's warm 
up. 

982
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,160
I did a 4K's at 5 minute pace 
and then as I get to the end of 

983
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,160
that 4th K, I'm like, all right,
let's come on. 

984
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,800
You've got a if you want to run 
a sub three hour marathon later 

985
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000
this year at the Gold Coast, you
need to This is it's going to be

986
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,440
a you're. 
Going to have to be comfortable.

987
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,120
With this, you're going to have 
comfortable with this exactly, 

988
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,120
and that's what is. 
That an influencer comfortable 

989
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,800
with the uncomfortable Yes, 
that's a. 

990
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,320
That's a Ned Brockmanism. 
Oh, it's get comfortable being 

991
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,080
uncomfortable. 
That's a big that's Ned's. 

992
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Main did I literally just come 
in my? 

993
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,840
Pleasure get nude. 
No, you won't get Ned win a suit

994
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,120
share that Ned, he's a fan. 
And so I started and I got I'm 

995
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,720
like in my head I didn't have a 
set time or but I'm like you've 

996
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,560
got to do at least 4 KS, you got
to do at least 4 KS trying to 

997
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,160
run a bit of threshold stuff. 
In the end I got 4 KS done just 

998
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,840
done the four 10s pace solid and
then I finished with two more KS

999
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,200
at 5K pace. 
So I did a 10K, hit up all that 

1000
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,640
and I got to the end of it and I
felt great. 

1001
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,000
I was knackered, but I felt 
great. 

1002
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,360
And it was a really important 
run because I remembered why. 

1003
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Yeah, I'm doing all the trail 
running and I'm getting along 

1004
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,440
with time on my feet. 
But it was like. 

1005
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Felt good to go hard. 
Running fast is good, running 

1006
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480
fast is good for you. 
So if you haven't been putting 

1007
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,920
any fast runs in your week, go 
do 100%. 

1008
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,280
Just jump back. 
In I'm with you mate, I'm 

1009
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,240
learning the same stuff all over
again. 

1010
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,280
Yeah, you got to jump back in. 
Just run them. 

1011
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,440
How's your running week been 
going? 

1012
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,680
You're running lots and good at 
the moment. 

1013
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Well, good. 
Good's a stretch. 

1014
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,280
Depends on what level of good, 
but things are get moving. 

1015
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,120
I got through about 110. 
K last week. 

1016
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,360
That's a big number. 
Well, relative, but sorry for 

1017
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,960
you. 
That's a big well, including the

1018
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,360
run that you didn't show up to. 
That kind of helped that along 

1019
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,480
on the Sunday because I doubled,
I did a double. 

1020
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
I'd rent Saturday morning in the
forest with my brother about two

1021
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,360
hours. 
And interestingly, like we only 

1022
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,640
get through about 18K in that 
two hours because it's singles 

1023
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,040
and you know, I, I don't even 
think the GPS works half the 

1024
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,120
time when it's so, you know, 
switchbacks and all that going 

1025
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,800
on. 
But in three long runs in the 

1026
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520
trails, 110K that's running once
a day. 

1027
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,960
So no double runs or any of that
kind of a latest late stuff 

1028
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,000
going on. 
And it's good. 

1029
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,720
I like I pulled up like a little
bit tight, but not too much. 

1030
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:13,360
But what happened on Tuesday? 
I was up at the Spit. 

1031
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,720
Mike Shelley, Yep, just decided 
to drop in for a session. 

1032
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:23,880
You know, even even unfit, he 
still knows how to put on the 

1033
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,560
pace initially. 
And we had a few, we had the 

1034
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,000
Gold Coast crew there, all the 
elite runners. 

1035
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,880
I think Giordano would just run 
a broke 2 minutes in the 800 on 

1036
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,960
the weekend. 
So these guys are moving. 

1037
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,560
I did my usual. 
The session was a 2 minute 

1038
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,280
effort with a one minute float 
in between. 

1039
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,920
But we didn't, I saw this, we 
didn't do it out and back. 

1040
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,200
We just did them. 
We didn't do a long out and back

1041
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,840
with it. 
We actually did a 32nd turn 

1042
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,760
around and then you had to try 
and make it back on the two 

1043
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,320
minutes. 
Yeah. 

1044
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,600
So what that was good for is it 
allowed me to run a little bit 

1045
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
easier on the float and pick 
back up the fast runners. 

1046
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,760
So I was purposely going over 
the top for myself. 

1047
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Yeah, hard session. 
Like it was real fun though, 

1048
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,600
with all the all the good guys 
there. 

1049
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
I was sore after that. 
I finally started. 

1050
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,280
So when I went out Wednesday in 
the forest, I started, I even 

1051
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,280
got a bit of a, you know, I 
wouldn't say a pull in the one 

1052
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,000
of the calves, but I got a 
little bit of like, Oh, that's I

1053
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,800
can feel that right. 
My hips are. 

1054
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,480
I was just it felt like I was 
just sore. 

1055
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,520
So other way to explain it. 
I had a bit of a stretch that 

1056
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,160
night. 
I still got through the run, had

1057
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,200
a bit of a stretch that night. 
And then I had a decision to 

1058
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,000
make because this morning. 
So what do you mean today, 

1059
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,840
Thursday morning? 
We usually, although I have been

1060
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,600
doing lately threshold down at 
Pizzi Park again with the faster

1061
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,480
guys. 
And I was thinking this isn't 

1062
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,800
probably the smartest thing to 
be going to do. 

1063
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Like I'm sore this is a recipe 
for disaster. 

1064
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,800
So I'm sure everyone goes 
through these things in their 

1065
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,240
head when you know, you got 
niggles and things going on like

1066
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,880
should I shouldn't I, should I 
rest? 

1067
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,040
Or is that the wrong thing to 
do? 

1068
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,720
And the answer I think to a 
degree for me is you never 

1069
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,440
really know. 
I still got out there this 

1070
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
morning, I got out running. 
And then for the 1st 100 metres 

1071
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,200
of that threshold, in my head, I
was gonna run quite conserved, 

1072
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640
like really comfortably. 
Like really comfortably. 

1073
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,760
I planned on probably going back
like I've been running them, you

1074
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,800
know, like 3:30 or maybe a 
quicker pace. 

1075
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,560
And I was thinking maybe 345, 
three fifties, 4 minute K pace, 

1076
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,760
just let's just get through this
and make it a run day. 

1077
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Yeah, in the 1st 50 metres I'm 
like, my body actually didn't 

1078
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,360
feel too bad after it warmed up 
for 20 minutes, got into it with

1079
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,240
the fellas Ren a little bit 
slower than I usually would but 

1080
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,520
still pushed it and I by the 
time I got home my body felt 

1081
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,560
amazing. 
Through the session. 

1082
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,320
Body's awesome. 
You don't know. 

1083
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,880
There's just proof. 
You don't know what's coming and

1084
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,320
don't always yes, you've got to 
be here on the side of caution 

1085
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,840
when it comes to injuries or 
you'll know sometimes you're 

1086
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,240
just completely cooked. 
But it's no excuse, not 

1087
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,960
sometimes to go, you know what? 
Your body's just, you know, you 

1088
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,280
mind playing tricks on you. 
Just get in and let's figure it 

1089
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,280
out. 
Broad statement about to be 

1090
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,480
thrown here. 
Oh. 

1091
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:07,680
OK, you know, You know in your 
head, you know. 

1092
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,160
I did not. 
Know no, no, no. 

1093
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,360
But what I mean is I reckon I'm 
speaking more for the average 

1094
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,680
runner right here. 
You know, when you're injured, 

1095
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,480
right? 
You do like you'll go and get 

1096
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,600
the diagnosis, you'll go and get
the, you might go to a physio or

1097
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,520
a doctor or whatever it is you 
go to who treats you and, and 

1098
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,320
get the confirmation or the 
extent or whatever, or the rehab

1099
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,680
programme. 
But you do know, right? 

1100
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,240
You'll know that. 
Oh, Nah, that's not right. 

1101
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,200
It's not coming good, right? 
You know your body better than 

1102
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,520
anybody and you know, Nah, 
there's something not right 

1103
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,280
there. 
And then I also think, you know,

1104
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,440
when you're, you're allowing a 
maybe a little bit of soreness 

1105
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,520
to be something more, it's like,
yeah, I can't. 

1106
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,760
I'm, I'm just, the body's no 
good at the moment. 

1107
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,760
And then you close your eye, you
lie down in bed at night and you

1108
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,760
go. 
I probably just didn't want to. 

1109
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,760
Probably didn't really. 
I probably just didn't. 

1110
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Want to do a hard session? 
I probably just didn't want. 

1111
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,720
It's like me, I I didn't. 
I hadn't really wanted to run 

1112
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,280
fast. 
It's not that I couldn't, I just

1113
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,080
didn't want to and I was finding
reasons not to do it. 

1114
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,960
But everyone's in the same boat.
We all have these mind games 

1115
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,880
around, you know, what running 
is and what it is. 

1116
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,560
So one thing I am talking about 
when I'm, I'm kind of getting 

1117
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,920
into it a bit more, a bit more 
mileage is thinking about 

1118
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,920
compared to what I used to do 
when I was triathlon. 

1119
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,320
You know, even if I ran 110K in 
a week, the aerobic load of that

1120
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,960
in time is quite insignificant 
compared to the hours I would 

1121
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,080
have trained in the past, right?
You know, so like as a 

1122
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,640
triathlete, we might be 20 to 25
hours. 

1123
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,720
If you go out and try and run 
that, it's going to be like, you

1124
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,400
know, crazy kilometres. 
So purely from a from a lung and

1125
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,360
but. 
For 110 KS, what's your time on 

1126
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,120
Fate? 
I'm going to guess it's less 

1127
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,360
than 10 hours. 
Yeah. 

1128
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,400
So that's not a lot of aerobic 
work. 

1129
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,720
Like if you think you're a 
swimmer or something, you're 

1130
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,160
getting in the pool for, you 
know, an hour and a half or even

1131
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,120
high school swimmers are doing 2
hour sessions, 11 of them a 

1132
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,560
week. 
It's, it's, it's child's play 

1133
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,280
from aerobic point of view, but 
your, your legs are obviously 

1134
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,440
going to hurt, hurt in this 
instance when you've got to be 

1135
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,800
careful of the kilometres you're
doing. 

1136
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,640
So I'm toying with the idea. 
Do I actually even get back on a

1137
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,800
road bike? 
When was the last time you rode 

1138
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,920
a road bike? 
I, I'm, I'm going to take a 

1139
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,080
guess about six years ago. 
Wow. 

1140
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,400
Yeah. 
And that was only because I had 

1141
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,200
to film the the the Brisbane, 
what's there? 

1142
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,680
So the Brisbane you would have 
known from the. 

1143
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,560
Radio Yeah, the bridge to 
Brisbane. 

1144
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,600
No, that's like the Brisbane 
Cycling Festival and the Green, 

1145
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,360
fondo and all. 
Grand Fondo Yeah, yeah, I've 

1146
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,920
I've videoed. 
From a GoPro the first year for 

1147
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,760
Tourism Queensland, right? 
That's the last time I rode on 

1148
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,640
my rode bike on the road. 
But I'm toying with this idea 

1149
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,320
'cause I'm I'm mountain bike a 
fair bit, but it's different 

1150
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,400
'cause you're going up and down 
it's a different bike, you're 

1151
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,960
going slower. 
I'm I'm looking for that just. 

1152
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,760
That same legs. 
Just pure aerobic, go out for 4 

1153
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,360
1/2 hours, five hours. 
Is that going to have a benefit 

1154
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,440
for me running because of my 
background? 

1155
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,440
You know, I, when I used to get 
to the levels that I'd run at, I

1156
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,480
was obviously doing a lot of 
cross training with that. 

1157
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,000
I'm missing all that cross 
training now yeah, right. 

1158
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,800
So how can I expect then to be 
as fit as I was? 

1159
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,800
But. 
Do you think you can get on a 

1160
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,000
bike? 
I'm 5050. 

1161
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,360
OK? 
Do you know the reason I don't 

1162
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,440
ride? 
Safety. 

1163
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,960
Yeah, I really do. 
I just like if I don't need to 

1164
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,200
ride a road bike on the road and
I can ride my mountain bike and 

1165
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,600
it's way more fun. 
I I really do just think it's a 

1166
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,760
safety thing. 
Different time of your life too.

1167
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,800
While I'm talking about safety 
though, what did happen this 

1168
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,280
week, I finally got my motorbike
back. 

1169
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,120
I blew up the engine, so shout 
out to race line performance 

1170
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,640
down there. 
The boys who got my bike, they 

1171
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,760
said Tony Waters used to used to
ride back for Red Bull in the 

1172
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,480
day in motocross. 
He's he has a race team for 

1173
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,000
Husqvarna now. 
Runs. 

1174
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Yeah. 
Helps all the young kids. 

1175
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Like it's amazing to see, you 
know, in elite sport. 

1176
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
He's at the other end of it now.
He's still racing really well, 

1177
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,360
but he's also helping out young 
kids. 

1178
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,600
He's got a few team riders. 
Husky help him out. 

1179
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,240
Funny when you suddenly find 
yourself at that point, yeah, 

1180
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,720
suddenly it's kind of like the 
same time when you go, you used 

1181
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,760
to look back on people that were
40 and go, God, that's so old 

1182
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760
now when you're 40, I'm not old.
I'm not old, I'm not old at all.

1183
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,800
But yeah, Toddy's killing. 
It's still on the bike. 

1184
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,160
But yeah, he looked after my 
bike and so now I'm kind of 

1185
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,800
like, do I go riding this 
weekend? 

1186
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,680
Jeez, well, you've already got 
the stitches in the nose, you 

1187
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,560
may as well add some more to 
other parts of your bodies. 

1188
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,680
We need to give a shout out to 
the Trail Kings. 

1189
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,280
We do because you're on their 
carnet. 

1190
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Yeah, yeah, I'll, I shared it on
my personal Instagram, but I'll 

1191
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,800
share it on. 
Link up on the show page. 

1192
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Do you want to talk about some? 
Do you want to talk about some 

1193
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,320
Some kit? 
Let's get into the gear. 

1194
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,000
Oh. 
We got some now you got a little

1195
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,440
package in the corner for me as 
well do. 

1196
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,920
You want me to? 
Do you want me to start with the

1197
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,440
present or you want to go do a 
couple of things I noticed 

1198
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,080
online? 
Let's start with the things 

1199
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,000
online. 
OK, did you see this ASICS in 

1200
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,600
the clouds this week? 
Talk to me about it. 

1201
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,920
Have you been on Instagram this 
week? 

1202
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,920
You couldn't have missed it. 
I thought it got it got a pretty

1203
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,760
good media coverage. 
It was it was good. 

1204
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,440
It literally. 
This is the I did say this is 

1205
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,560
the marathon. 
They launched a shoe, I can't 

1206
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,840
remember exactly what shoe but 
ASIC launched a shoe. 

1207
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,240
They took some of their runners 
up in hot air balloons. 

1208
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,080
Yep and they ran 1/2 marathon on
the treadmill in the hot air 

1209
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,760
balloon. 
I like it, but then at the same 

1210
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,760
time I'm like, is it trying to 
hard? 

1211
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
I'm not I'm not I'm I'm on the 
fence on this one. 

1212
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,440
I'm really not sure. 
But then in the second part of 

1213
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,320
this is I'm like, they actually 
called it in the clouds on 

1214
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,600
running is cloud running. 
It's a really, really fine close

1215
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,880
to IP infringement. 
Here. 

1216
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,000
That's interesting. 
I hadn't thought about that. 

1217
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,360
It's for the gel Nimbus. 
What I would say is I wouldn't 

1218
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,560
run a marathon or half marathon 
in the gel Nimbus. 

1219
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,280
I find the shoes too. 
I don't think you get enough 

1220
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,000
back from them. 
OK. 

1221
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,440
That's by the by. 
I had not thought about the IP 

1222
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,120
infringement. 
That is interesting. 

1223
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,200
Yeah, Yeah. 
I thought really interesting, I 

1224
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,000
mean literally cloud running on 
the clouds. 

1225
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,120
I would I would have thought on 
would have trademarked that. 

1226
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,280
And and anything around cloud, 
well, anything, yeah, like. 

1227
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,040
Really close. 
Hopefully not. 

1228
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,040
We're not throwing anyone, and 
I'm sure someone else has said 

1229
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,560
that, but we're not throwing 
anyone if. 

1230
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,040
Someone from on's listening to 
that and going that's a good 

1231
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,160
point. 
We should should make some calls

1232
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,880
about that well. 
Yeah, I, we. 

1233
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,480
Yeah. 
I I know what you're saying 

1234
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,080
about that. 
Is it trying too hard? 

1235
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,200
It's cool. 
Hey, it's hey, guess what, 

1236
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,720
Courtney, we're talking about 
it. 

1237
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,240
So they've they've. 
Achieved their goal that they 

1238
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,800
the in the beginning. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1239
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,600
Podcast is talking about the 
noise makers. 

1240
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,400
Exactly we've they've made 
enough noise for us to take take

1241
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,560
notice. 
And then really quickly I saw 

1242
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,680
and I haven't got this up on my 
page, Liam, but Nike have just 

1243
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,640
put I saw this on run.com this 
morning. 

1244
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:59,200
Nike have I've got a new patent 
out and it's looking like 

1245
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,800
electronic fluid support control
shoe patent. 

1246
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,880
Yep. 
So you're talking about fluid 

1247
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,600
movement? 
I'm trying to work out how I can

1248
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,920
get up the website mate. 
Bear with us for a second. 

1249
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,280
The premise basically, Nike has 
shown interest in incorporating 

1250
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,880
some incredibly complex systems 
into its future footwear. 

1251
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,880
That could include fluent, 
sorry, fluid movement 

1252
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,760
controllers and adjustable foot 
support pressure. 

1253
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,680
So what? 
Look, I'll dumb this down. 

1254
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,400
Or as I read it, seems to be AI 
in a shoe. 

1255
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,960
Seems like they are going to 
look at ways to allow the shoe 

1256
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,640
to adjust while you're running 
based on how your landing and 

1257
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,360
foot patterns and all the rest 
of focusing. 

1258
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,160
On fluid flow to adjust support 
in the shoe's sole, there you 

1259
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,000
go. 
And with some type of electronic

1260
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,160
system in it, yeah. 
AI, I'd say this is a form of 

1261
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,040
AI. 
I'd say if the shoe is making, 

1262
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,160
you know. 
This is I'm. 

1263
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,560
I didn't take too much notice of
it. 

1264
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,040
I just quickly saw it this 
morning. 

1265
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,560
But this is really interesting. 
This is like innovation. 

1266
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,160
Yeah, it's huge. 
If we can, you know, you think 

1267
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,720
of the carbon plate and what 
that did do. 

1268
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,000
And I don't know if this is 
about speed or this is more 

1269
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,320
about comfort. 
Yeah, like while you're 

1270
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,560
training, it's going to give you
better benefits for recovery and

1271
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,200
that sort of thing. 
But this is huge. 

1272
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,720
Well, imagine it and if you 
let's just play it out as a 

1273
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,000
thought experiment for a moment.
If you're running, let's say 

1274
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,600
you're just running a marathon 
and suddenly Nike or or any of 

1275
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,640
the shoes. 
Imagine if you're a shoe because

1276
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,680
whilst in a perfect world you're
running the same cadence the 

1277
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,000
whole time, the reality is your 
legs are growing fatigue the 

1278
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,200
longer you're on your feet. 
Imagine if the shoe is capable 

1279
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,680
of adapting to that fatigue that
sets in in your stride length 

1280
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,520
and running power. 
Well, kind of like starts off as

1281
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,320
like a a front to mid foot shoe 
and by the end of the marathon 

1282
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,040
it helps you run on your heels 
because you're starting to 

1283
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,400
bottle down. 
I mean, yeah, this is, I'm just 

1284
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,360
saying we should have, I should 
have done my homework better on 

1285
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,320
this. 
But I'm just seeing the 

1286
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,760
electronic kind of diagrams or 
images are showing and something

1287
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,000
on the side of the shoe that, 
yeah, obviously can suck the 

1288
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,000
liquid back or man, this is 
crazy, absolutely crazy. 

1289
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,080
Would provide Here we go. 
Interestingly, this. 

1290
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,720
Command. 
I think it's also a unique. 

1291
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,200
Design that would provide a 
connection between the shoe and 

1292
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,800
an external power source when at
rest. 

1293
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,040
So it sounds like you charge the
shoe. 

1294
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,440
Charge the shoe. 
I mean, it's didn't the Reebok's

1295
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,800
pumps used to do this. 
You'd pump it up in the tub. 

1296
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,640
Yeah. 
But that was with your with your

1297
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,600
finger, not with look return 
energy. 

1298
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,480
It's kind of like the F1 cars or
you know, cars these days with 

1299
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,360
the energy return system in the 
braking without. 

1300
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,640
This is something I think we 
need to investigate a little bit

1301
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:51,400
more, but I suffice to say there
is innovation happening in Shoes

1302
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,600
Beyond. 
You know, we thought that the 

1303
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,320
alpha flies were the with with 
the peak. 

1304
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,480
This is like change, if this is 
true, I mean, it could just be a

1305
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,000
concept and they're just getting
ahead of the game. 

1306
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,960
This could be a decade away, but
this is super exciting to me 

1307
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,200
now. 
Keep it on shoes. 

1308
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,640
We've got. 
We've got to the end of the 

1309
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:08,880
world, getting closer to the 
end. 

1310
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,840
And this is the best part of the
show, mate. 

1311
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,760
I have a present. 
I have plenty of presents this 

1312
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,960
week coming for you. 
Thank you, Solomon. 

1313
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,080
Can I give you my present first,
because I reckon mine is 

1314
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,080
underwhelming by comparison. 
OK. 

1315
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,960
I just, well, I'm, I, Are you 
sure this is? 

1316
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,120
Yeah, Yeah. 
What do you got? 

1317
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,440
I've got for you. 
This is just I've got some I've 

1318
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,160
got sent some running kit this 
week. 

1319
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,720
I've got some hats. 
Oh nice. 

1320
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,640
And some singlets for you 
singlets from a from a mob 

1321
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,200
called Crest Crest. 
I've got one of the hats on 

1322
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,360
here. 
At the moment, where's Crest 

1323
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,240
from? 
Crest is based out of Sydney and

1324
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,240
it's they're just, it's just 
running kit. 

1325
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,840
They just sent some of that in. 
They said throw these on, check 

1326
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,000
these out, check these out. 
Take them for a spin. 

1327
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,800
You can never have. 
Well, we'll get back to them and

1328
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,960
let them know how they go. 
You know what I like about 

1329
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,840
running caps? 
So I'm this is true story. 

1330
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,320
I'll be open and honest. 
So I mean, I've rent, rent for 

1331
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,160
Red Bull for 22 years. 
Every triathlon I ever did, I 

1332
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,400
pretty much since I was 20 or 18
had a Red Bull hat on. 

1333
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,040
Over the time different brands 
like the Red Bull hats are for 

1334
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,680
the athletes only, so they don't
sell their hats. 

1335
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,480
So I. 
Didn't know that. 

1336
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,960
Yeah, So one of the questions, I
like this hat. 

1337
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,000
No, I can't buy it. 
One of the biggest, one of the 

1338
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,720
most. 
If I had a dollar for everyone 

1339
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,880
said, can I get one of those 
hats over time? 

1340
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,040
You're kidding. 
I would have made more money 

1341
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,400
than they probably paid me just 
by giving away the hats. 

1342
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,560
But what I do now, because 
technology, even just hats has 

1343
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,880
come so far. 
But you know, we're not all 

1344
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,280
runners. 
So some of the hats are like 

1345
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,000
corduroy. 
Some of the hats, there's some 

1346
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,400
run hats, but sometimes the year
they bring them out, I don't 

1347
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,840
like them. 
There was a hat a few years ago 

1348
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,800
that had kind of like a packable
brim on it that New Era did. 

1349
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,560
And I was like, this is the best
ever. 

1350
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,200
And then of course, I stopped 
making it as they do, just like 

1351
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,240
with shoes. 
So what I'm interested in is 

1352
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,880
Chris is trying these hats, but 
maybe I can look at getting a. 

1353
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,640
Oh, here we go. 
I can't run in a Crest hat, but 

1354
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,040
maybe I can get a logo? 
Absolutely. 

1355
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,040
Look, I'm looking for a looking 
for a manufacturer. 

1356
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,960
What do you call them? 
White. 

1357
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,160
White brands. 
Oh, is that what they're called?

1358
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,320
It's white brands. 
I don't know, marketing like 

1359
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,320
white. 
Someone's gonna someone tells. 

1360
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,920
Someone tells pretty much when 
you get when you get a blank. 

1361
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,120
A blank, a blank, blank brands. 
Yep. 

1362
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:29,920
OK. 
Thank you. 

1363
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,640
Anyway. 
Thank you. 

1364
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:31,160
Thank you. 
Enjoy those. 

1365
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,800
That's very nice. 
There you go, I do. 

1366
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,000
I am going to one up here on 
this. 

1367
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Which is why I went first. 
Like I mentioned next week, I've

1368
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,680
got the real real presence for 
you because Solomon have just 

1369
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:46,040
brought out a whole new range of
trail shoes and a couple of, but

1370
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,600
mainly the trail shoes. 
So when we go down to the the 

1371
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,880
Golden Trail race. 
Solomon, Golden Trail and 

1372
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Kanani. 
Yes, you're going to be. 

1373
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,280
There's no excuses, mate. 
You are going to be in the elite

1374
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,160
of the elite of what you got. 
But. 

1375
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,200
There is there's no excuse. 
There are excuses, but my shoes 

1376
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,120
won't be one of them. 
The shoes will not be one of 

1377
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,160
them. 
But thank you, Sal. 

1378
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,360
In the meantime, it is a little 
bit of fun. 

1379
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,360
We talked about decathlon. 
So decathlon being like a rebel 

1380
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,880
sport, a French rebel. 
Sport. 

1381
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,720
The Audi of Rebel sport. 
Having a home brand carbon 

1382
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,200
plated shoe now they we from 
memory they were $250 still or 

1383
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,560
something. 
They weren't cheap. 

1384
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,080
I was going for a run with a 
maid of mine, Andrew Pierce, a 

1385
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:33,000
few weeks back, a grade for the 
gold coasters when going and on 

1386
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Strava under his pseudonym. 
Pseudonym. 

1387
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Yep, Yep. 
And he was wearing these shoes, 

1388
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,320
these ones here, they're called 
one mix. 

1389
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,720
Have you ever heard? 
One never heard of. 

1390
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,040
I've heard of Little Mix that 
was never heard of. 

1391
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,880
All girl, one group, Yeah, one 
mix, right? 

1392
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,000
And he said to me, I bought 
these keeper's chips. 

1393
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,320
They're carbon plated shoes. 
You wouldn't know the 

1394
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,840
difference. 
If you want to save your, you 

1395
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,200
know, your $400.00 race shoes, 
but you want to train in carbon 

1396
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,560
shoes, this isn't a bad way to 
go at it. 

1397
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,800
And I laughed at him. 
I said mate, have a guess how 

1398
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,120
much these cost Liam? 
Right, I'm guessing that they're

1399
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,800
going to be half decent saving a
pair of alpha flies. 

1400
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,319
I'm just looking up now. 400 
bucks. $114.00 delivered to my 

1401
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:24,399
door. 
What would you expect these? 

1402
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,359
I'd expect them to be crap. 
For 114 bucks. 

1403
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,920
I would expect those to be crap.
I'm just saying. 

1404
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,040
So here's a test. 
We're not advocating for them by

1405
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,880
any means, but I, I, I was so 
interested after seeing him 

1406
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,560
running them and tell me that he
was at least like he's bought a 

1407
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,439
few pairs. 
Oh, so he's a? 

1408
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,160
Repeat customer. 
He's a repeat customer. 

1409
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,520
I'm like, I have to buy Liam a 
pair. 

1410
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,560
Are they for me? 
These are your size because 

1411
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,760
you're half a size. 
Even though I could wear, I 

1412
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,560
could wear them. 
And I'm not going to lie, I've 

1413
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,080
tried them on, so they're not 
dirty. 

1414
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,000
They're brand new. 
They're 43, so they're half a 

1415
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,680
size too big for me. 
They're your size. 

1416
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,200
I've bought them for you. 
You've got those alpha flies 

1417
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,279
you're too scared to take out of
the box. 

1418
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,000
Now I'm going to make you take 
them out of the box because what

1419
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,040
I want to know, OK, I'm going to
hand this one to you. 

1420
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,720
I want to know. 
I mean, let's start with the 

1421
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,479
fact they're ugly as all hell. 
Oh yeah, that is an ugly shoe. 

1422
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,399
And I don't mind wearing some 
gaudy stuff. 

1423
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,200
I don't mind wearing some bright
garish. 

1424
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,520
Stuff, if you're on Spotify, 
we've got them on the video, so 

1425
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,279
you watch us on video on 
Spotify. 

1426
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:34,359
That is as ugly as shoes. 
I've seen that like that. 

1427
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,880
It is ugly, but how's this 
underneath Like there's a full 

1428
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,240
you can actually I can see you 
through the sole of the shoe it.

1429
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,600
I have no idea mate about these.
But you want me to run in these?

1430
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,399
I want you to test them for us. 
What's with the crappy things on

1431
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,520
the side that say 42K21K10K? 
Is that like saying what you 

1432
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,640
should run them? 
Well, they're an all rounder you

1433
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,440
can run. 
Your 10K mix all right. 

1434
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:00,080
One mix. 
They're A1 mix shoe. 

1435
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,480
Do you know what they do 
actually like there is a little 

1436
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,400
bit of, you know, which brand 
they comes to mind, which one, 

1437
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,360
Saucones or Sauconese? 
OK, they remind. 

1438
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:10,840
They remind you of a little bit 
of a Saucony. 

1439
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,200
I think they do from like 
Saucony. 

1440
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,560
I'm pretty sure Tim Vincent's 
running Zirconi's. 

1441
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,200
Oh, that's such an he likes 
these. 

1442
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,120
Zirconi's no, no no. 
Zirconi's a great shoe. 

1443
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,520
But forget about how they look. 
We're about how they feel. 

1444
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,600
Mate. 
I want to know, would you like. 

1445
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
OK, so here's the question. 
I want to know when you try 

1446
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:27,240
them. 
Yeah. 

1447
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,320
If we were to do a shoe review 
of all the top shoes. 

1448
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Yeah, I want to know, would you 
include them against the big 

1449
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,960
brands? 
OK, Not no. 

1450
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,040
You've got to go and try them. 
I don't want to know now. 

1451
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,480
OK, next week. 
Next week I'll review the ugly 

1452
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:45,200
shoe. 
And next, by next week, you'll 

1453
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,160
also have my my, my proper gift,
not my joke gift. 

1454
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,240
It's like it's a My Little Pony 
pastel. 

1455
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,000
Yeah. 
OK, look, do you know they? 

1456
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,120
When they turned up in the mail,
you just pulled it out. 

1457
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,280
They, you know, service came two
weeks away from, I'm assuming, 

1458
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,360
China. 
How will you will you be upset 

1459
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,840
if I bring these back and I've 
and I've Liam Adams them and 

1460
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,320
just painted them black? 
You can. 

1461
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,440
It's a gift, Liam. 
You can do whatever. 

1462
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,040
I don't want them back. 
No, I want you running them as 

1463
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,080
well. 
If I have to run in them, you 

1464
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,680
have to run in them. 
I will I will have a jog in them

1465
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,560
and and so I can at. 
Least no, I want you to turn up 

1466
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,320
to the Gold Coast runco with the
threshold wearing these. 

1467
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,160
All right, OK. 
OK, OK, anyway, let's see how 

1468
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,400
they go. 
But we. 

1469
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,160
Wrapping things up, we, we, we 
had questions. 

1470
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,680
We didn't have time to get to 
some questions. 

1471
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,680
What we will, what I want to do 
one week. 

1472
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,120
Put this on the on the 
chalkboard. 

1473
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,640
Oh, you've got one more thing. 
One more don't don't hang up. 

1474
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,520
Just don't don't put the phone 
down just yet. 

1475
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,000
The question was, but it leads 
into something bigger. 

1476
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,960
And this is this is this is 
worth calling out And who asked 

1477
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,840
me last week a topic around 
Courtney, can you bring a topic 

1478
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,320
up this week? 
Why triathletes, why triathlon 

1479
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,520
athletes usually run so well in 
running races and they probably 

1480
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,320
do half the kilometres around a 
wood. 

1481
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,120
Now, the simple answer for that 
is what I talked about earlier 

1482
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,200
is that you're doing 20, you're 
doing so much aerobic work. 

1483
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,800
You're on the bike, which is 
also training your glutes, 

1484
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,680
training your, you know, similar
muscles. 

1485
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,880
And then you're also running 
obviously kilometres. 

1486
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,360
And and I would argue some 
triathletes aren't just doing 

1487
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,800
half the distance. 
I would go as far as saying the 

1488
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,840
Olympic triathletes would be 
running anywhere between 100 and

1489
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:37,080
130 KA week plus, so they're 
nearly running like a runner. 

1490
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,480
Plus they're riding on top of 
that 15 hours, so they're. 

1491
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:41,200
Aerobic. 
Bases building, yeah, crazy. 

1492
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,800
So that's the reason why they 
can operate like that. 

1493
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,000
And and if they've Got Talent as
a runner, that just adds to it. 

1494
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:52,080
Last weekend, the Paris Olympic 
gold medallist in triathlon, 

1495
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,560
Cassandra Bogo Bogrand, just 
broke the women's French record.

1496
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,440
And have a guess what time, 
Liam, how far, what distance? 

1497
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:05,680
5K road race Women's Olympic 
champion in trial. 

1498
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:12,680
Races run 1510. 
She ran 1453. 

1499
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,880
Oh it's close 1453 she's a 
triathlete who's running faster 

1500
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,960
than the 5K. 
Best 5K women's in her she. 

1501
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,640
Just broke the French record 
fastest ever French woman won 

1502
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,920
the Olympic gold medal in Paris 
in triathlon. 

1503
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,640
So if anyone who's started, you 
know, talking about triathlon, 

1504
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,920
not, you know, developing and 
being at the top end of elite 

1505
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,880
sports, it's just that's crazy 
talk now. 

1506
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,760
And if you want any further 
incentive to track Alex Yee at 

1507
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,640
the London Marathon this year, 
the gold medalist in the men's 

1508
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,360
triathlon, right there is is a 
reason why? 

1509
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,880
Because what triathletes can do 
as runners. 

1510
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:52,040
I mean 1453, like even when you 
know, it was different shoes 

1511
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,040
years ago, you know, 30 minutes 
for it was a benchmark kind of 

1512
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,400
run from males in triathlon and 
now you've got the top female 

1513
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,720
just coming out running under. 
15 minutes, buddy. 15 minutes. 

1514
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,440
So mic drop on that mate. 
I think it's a good place to 

1515
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:06,240
finish. 
That's quick. 

1516
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,280
That's super fast, super fast. 
However you're running today, I 

1517
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,240
hope you're getting out there, 
whether it's super fast, super 

1518
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,200
slow or you're just running, 
enjoy it. 

1519
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,640
I promise we will get to. 
There's so many more questions 

1520
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,120
that people are firing in as 
well as some guests, which we 

1521
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,800
have in the pipeline. 
I'd love to do an Ask Courtney 

1522
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,960
Anything. 
I'd love to just load up on 

1523
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,760
these questions. 
So if you do have any questions 

1524
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,840
that you want to fire into 
Courtney, send them all through.

1525
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,200
We're going to do an Ask 
Courtney Anything episode at 

1526
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,760
some stage and. 
I'm going to go and chase Will 

1527
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,240
Will. 
Yeah, you go find Will Ashcroft,

1528
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,520
get him on, I guess, and I'm 
going to run in these hideous 

1529
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,680
shoes you just handed me. 
All of you next week. 

1530
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:42,560
See you next week.