In the beginning, at 14, we're back.
Hi, Courtney. We're back.
What a week. Christmas just around the
corner. Exciting.
Holy crap it is. Now I've got to I've I'm going
to start with a confession. Oh, we talked about headphones
and, and having 2 headphones in and etiquette and all of that.
Well, I was the wanker in the forest yesterday.
What are we doing in? So I rocked up to the forest,
it's been raining, it's been pouring, right?
And as I pulled up in my car, I got out, I met, I saw one of my
mountain bike mates and he's gone.
I'm like, why are you out of the forest so early?
He's got a man, there's water everywhere, can't really ride,
it's a nightmare. And I'm like perfect for running
so I can get in the singles by myself.
Yeah, 2 headphones in. I'm running down a track just in
my own world. I look up and there's an old guy
on the side on his mountain bike, just shaking his head at
me. Mate.
I bought myself a. Proper tut tutted too.
I got he the IT just the evil eyes at me and I thought, Oh no,
I'm that guy on that guy. Anyway, I thought, how do I get
out of this? So I had a chat to him and said,
mate, I didn't expect anyone to be in here in the morning.
Of course he said my friend's coming.
There's another guy behind me got both headphones out at that
point and put them in my pocket and said, oh, I ran into someone
and I didn't think anyone would be in a mountain bike.
You know whose reply was what? Pussies.
Nothing like the old guy that said everyone's straight, right?
But that is to to anybody out there, because inevitably, as
these tracks and trails and paths get busier and busier and
busier, just just deal with it. Don't get frustrated because I
know there would have been other people who would have been in
that situation who would have run off and might have had a
terse word at the old bloke for giving you the stink eye and all
this sort of stuff. Everyone's out there doing
stuff. Just just talk to each other
about these little dramas. And if you're running single
trails, don't have two headphones in.
Yeah, I'm learning with what we do.
I'm learning with what we do. Mate, you can talk yourself out
of anything you. Can you can talk yourself out of
it? But I was that guy.
That was my confession. Hey, you know what that is?
That's hand up accountability and that's what we're about here
in the beginning. Now the interesting thing about
today's app is that, and we got lots to get to, but you and I
are coming in at very different frequencies to use a use.
A very term motivation. We're coming in at very
different energy levels because tell, well, tell us why you're
in such a great space, right? Now, well, I'll get into my week
a little bit later, Yeah, but I've just come home from a run
down at Pizzi Park, local, local athletics track, Gold Coast
Runco and my I've had an improvement again today in my
threshold. So a 20 minute threshold, Yeah,
the heat, it's been a, it's a lot nicer running this morning.
So that's definitely got something to do with it.
But I'm over that little bit of a hump where I was going
backwards for a few weeks and there was a group of five of
these young bucks running along here.
I am the old guy at the back, you know, easy as.
And I said to one of the young guys at the end of it, you know,
wait, what have you been doing for 5K lately?
And he said 01451 and I'm like, oh, here we go.
You know, you reckon I can, you reckon I can slide under that 16
minutes. And you know, as long as I'm
around that, you know, back down in the fifteens, I'll be happy
so. This smile, this smile is
literally the term ear to ear sums up you talking about your
running at the. Moment now with all that
excitement I just gave just give me your.
Because I couldn't be further to the other end of the spectrum
right now. And I think interestingly, when
I walked into your house this morning and you were literally
buzzing, you just thought I've come back from this great
session and I came in completely shoulder slumped.
I am right in that I'm I'm in a running hump at the moment.
I went for a run down in Adelaide where I was away with
some friends and it went OK, It was all right.
And then I came for a run. When I got back here to the
Goldie. I tried to go for a run
yesterday. I've got 2-3 KS into it and I
just stopped and I and I can't tell if it's a combination of
well I know it is. It's a combination of a
physically. Like I've been doing some gym
sessions as well so the legs are a bit sore and all the rest of
it. But also I've got all these
things going on. I'm finding it difficult to
switch off from my from work even though we're on radio
break. Yeah, but getting getting to the
new show. We're getting we've got a new
show coming out so I'm finding it really difficult to switch
off my brain about this new show and getting things organised.
It's obviously Christmas, Christmas, so the kids are at
home and you want to keep them entertained and now my wife's on
holidays as well. So it's like, well I want to be
putting in some quality family time and doing some stuff with
them. But then I've got this show
going on, I've got some stuff with some some mates going on
that I need to deal with after we finish Recall.
All these things is jumping in my brain and it's the sort of
environment where normally a nice run would clarify some of
this and help me clear it all out.
And I just can't get, I've just got no motivation to trot at the
moment. I so I'm battling.
I will. We've said this before, stress
is stress. It doesn't matter where the
stress is coming from. It can be work, it can be
family, it can be running, but often it's the mental stress
that's actually harder than the physical stress it really is.
And a mate of a good mate of mine, we run with Benny the doc,
same thing. He's having a bit of trouble,
but it's the stress I reckon. I said to him, mate, it's all
the things going on. And it's this time of year too,
right. With Christmas, you know,
everyone's got a bit more time on their hands.
You've got family, you're trying to tie up loose ends at the job
so you don't have to think about it ideally over Christmas.
And all that adds up. And, and where it then shows
often is in an injury while you're running, which is the one
thing you can do to help you to get.
So it's Catch 22. So I guess what I would say to
anybody out there, it's OK to be feeling like this at the moment
and if you need to just ride it out with some slower runs,
shorter runs or whatever, do. Just get out the door.
Just get out the door and if it turns into a walk, that's fine
as well. Can I just put a bit of a, a bow
on my wake of woah, I might have suffered maybe the most
embarrassing. You talk about running injuries.
I might have suffered the most embarrassing athlete injury
ever. I think I've, well, I know I've
bruised my foot, but I think the way I've done it is my mum's
foot massager and setting the too high and having my feet in
there too long because I was staying with them back in
Adelaide. Myself too good a rub.
I'm staying with them back in Adelaide and I've got one of the
ones where you just put your feet straight into it and I love
a foot massage. And now I probably, it was
probably in there for upwards of half an hour.
And now I've had to, I've had to get out of all the, the, the
carbon plate shoes or the Adidas, the, the Salem
Inspectors, the whatever. I can't run in them at the
moment. I'm back to the the Nova Blast
'cause I just need that extra foam cushioning in 'cause my
foot's so sore from this stupid massage machine.
Right, It sounds like you were at the when we began this
podcast where I was exactly. We've got a a few things you
gotta sort out. Let's sort them out.
A good time of year to sort them out and nothing a lot of food
can't fix. Yeah, exactly.
Maybe. What's been going on with you
all week? My week, it's been pretty when
we we caught up last Thursday, just trying to think when you
went down to Adelaide. You were, I can't even.
You were staying put. You weren't going anywhere, I
don't think. I can't even remember back then
so much as the good thing is I've tied up.
I've tied up, you know, generally across all the few of
the different work things that I, I get up to.
I've tied that up nicely for the year, which is probably the
other reason I'm so excited today, because one, I'm, I'm,
I'm looking forward to putting a little bit more time into what
we're doing here. But also just the fact that, you
know, I mean, I'm, I'm in control of my days to kind of,
you know, do what I want to do. Yeah.
But running's been going really good.
So like I've always talked about this consistency thing, right?
And you're going to hear that like a broken record as long as
we do this because it's so true. This week I've done just the
simple things. Got out for an hour run, just
got through. It's been hot.
It has been it's. Been weird.
The humidity's been I think it was I've finished one run and it
was 98. I mean, it was pretty much
spitting at that point, but it has been really it's.
Crazy. Up until this morning, even
yesterday morning with the rain was still just to run an hour
five in the forest was just like zapping, but just consistency of
just getting the job done every day and then and I've come up
today and felt like I've I've I started a 20 minute run.
So we were for context for those listening, you know, I always
try and run what, whether it's threshold or tempo, whatever you
want to call it. I try and keep my heart rate
around that 153 beats as a good guide.
So then that way I can compare week to week.
And today we were, we started off around it's been wet.
So we run across the grass as well.
So my brother reminded me of that.
Like you can get a get a few extras seconds because we're
slopping through the the grass 320 fives to begin with,
dropping down to 320 twos and, you know, heart rate really
stable through that and just been breathing well.
So, you know, hopefully that's a sign of things to come.
But you know, everything's just working really, really well.
But I've been getting talking about shoes because I know
everyone loves talking, you know, hearing us talk about
shoes. I've been getting into my best
work at the moment in the forest because it's been sloppy, it's
been muddy, it's been clay and Solomon, who I run for, do this
shoe the Thundercross. So love the name, right?
You know what we're talking about?
Trade. Like, yeah, hey, that is a great
name for a. Shoe come on, you thought that
you you can't make hard now you've got to make hard names
for shoes the thundercross thundercross.
So the speed cross is obviously a Solomon shoe.
That's, you know, pretty much the iconic trail running shoe.
It was the original before everyone, every other business
started doing trail shoes. You had a few of those brands
like you know, your salomons, your ultras, you know your true
trail shoe companies do we choose and and speed cross has
been the one that's got really big lugs, great for mud, great
for snow. The thundercross is kind of the
intermediate. It's got, it's got the trail,
it's got the tread, the really good tread, mud tread from the
speed cross, but it puts it into more of a flexible and and
runnable shoe in the Thundercross.
And it's probably, you know, when it's runnable and when it's
usable. It's my favourite shoe in the
range. So I've been given a lot of use
out of that. Just living up in the trails in
that shoe at the moment. Pretty much.
And you know what? You know what happens with?
I mean, everyone will go through this problem in running.
It's another running problem we all have.
You get a wet shoe, you put it in the car, you drive home and
it stinks. You put it in the sun and
there's still, if anyone's got a way to get rid of the smell out
of these shoes after wet, and it's probably sweat as well,
right? Yeah.
What? Do you OK, this is I'm glad
you've opened the door to this because there'd be people out
there with this exact problem with their shoes.
You've got a little set up at home, your sort of makeshift
drying rack that your quiver of shoes, as you call it, sits
there at your garage. I I am on the lookout for
something like that because I want to install a similar thing.
How do you maintain your shoes? Well, they sit on that rack.
So I, I mean, obviously I'm lucky enough to get to try like
a lot of shoes. So I have, I have a general
rule. So there's 12 shoes fit on that
rack, and at any one time I have the 12 shoes I'm using or or
wearing or whatever. It is and is that is that.
Are they the only like you don't have?
No, I have another cupboard somewhere.
I have some, Yeah. You haven't seen the storage.
You do have storage. The ones I haven't worn too much
or ones I've never really got into or I've got boots and a
whole range of stuff in there. But the 12 that you see when
you, you walk, walk in here is that's my current kind of quiver
that I'll, I'll change up and like the Thundercross don't get
a lot of use because, and it's quite dry here, but they sit
there because I know I will use. And then I've got a few other
like more Ray shoes, training shoes, a few other street shoes,
But that's the 12. So that's how I work.
But generally, and I don't have a better way to go about this,
when it's like this weather and it's wet, whether it's raining
or whether it's just pure, you're sweating so much and your
shoe comes home wet, I'll just stick the things in the sun and
they dry. Up you don't wash the inners or
anything. You've never thrown a pair of
shoes in the in the wash. Never in a dryer.
I wouldn't trust. I'm not going to throw a pair of
shoes in the dryer. I mean, I think that's going to,
I mean I'm no expert, but I think that's going to, with the
heat and the tumbling and everything else on that's going
to wreck your shoe, I'd assume. I don't know I want.
To keep I want to keep the structure of my shoe as good as
possible. So that's why I just find I put
in the sun, I deal with the with the smell, but if there's a
solution to the smell, I'd love to know.
Oh. This is in the beginning podcast
Instagram want you to people to send through their shoe
maintenance hacks because it sounds like we both in need of
some. And if anybody knows what damage
putting your shoes in the dryer can actually do, we feel free to
flick that one through as well. But Claudia, I'm, I'm really
glad to hear that you're running well, because no, no, I am
because a, because we love it when people love running.
I, I know how frustrated at your, you were getting with your
body, you know, 3-4 months ago off the back of some injuries.
I know how frustrated you were getting and you were plateauing
as you saw it. The other reason I'm excited is
because Courtney Atkinson, I need to know, will you run a
marathon in 2025? Well, it's looking like it.
We, we're going to have some news soon, I hope, because, but
we're not going to jump to any conclusions.
Just. Yet.
But yes, pending, there are some big conversations going on in
the background. But the reason I ask if you're
going to run a marathon is because you one of our greatest
ever triathletes, I want to know if you're going to be motivated
by the news that Alex Yee. For people who don't know, the
Olympic gold medallist from England has announced that he is
going to race the London Marathon next year.
Now for context, the Olympic gold medallist this year in
Paris. If you didn't watch the race,
his kick finish to win gold over New Zealand.
'S Hayden Wild, Hayden Wilde. Was one of the great racing
tactics I've seen in triathlon. He let Hayden go, seemingly it
was done. This is a guy with an incredible
run and the kick he gave it must have been in the last 500 metres
or so, was just unbelievable to watch.
Hayden Wilde's face was just devastation.
But now the next thing you're going to say is going to irk any
proper runners. Oh, who listen well, because or
you could say what? What is he targeting?
Well, he is. Targeting So this is Alex Yee,
the Olympic gold medals in triathlon, who has APBA 5 KPB of
1326. He's got A10 KPP of 2751 so the
guy can run. He is targeting between two O 7
and 2:10. Which is Australian men's
marathoning elite, correct? That's what we're really talking
about. Well, that's the new Andy
Buchanan just broke the record, didn't he?
AT2O First man to go under 2O7 for Australia, SO2O6 and a bit.
So this is a guy who marathoning is not his sport, he's an
athlete, let's not get that mixed up.
But in his first marathon is going to try and go basically
touch the Australian record. Well, triathletes have been
known to say some short run times and a few other things and
but you can't hide in this and nay, Alex, he's the real deal,
right? He in his offseason, he runs
with, he runs in track races, 5K track races with the best in the
UK and he's definitely not the best 5K runner in the UK, but
he's definitely in the mix and can go and perform with them.
So this is definitely not out of the realm and that's exciting
seeing the mix up, mix up what they're doing.
That would be one of the greatest because he's obviously
races for Great Britain. That'd be one of the greatest
British marathon runs if he can achieve that.
Like toys. Not, not the record, because I
think. It'll be the same as here, you
know, very similar to Australian running at the moment.
Yep, 27 is is quick. But I mean, the good thing, the
great thing with triathlon is when you're stepping up from
shorter distance running to I suppose a marathon distance of
two hours, that's a step up for runners, right?
They come through, you know, they do the mile, a 5K10K and
build and the marathon's kind of the longer distance they'll do.
Triathletes do that every day, if not longer.
So you, you know, Alex will be spending 4 1/2 hours on a bike
during the week. So to come back and run a 2 hour
effort, in a way, he's coming down in distance in a in, not in
a perfect world because he's got to do it all running.
But you see what I'm saying? He's aerobic base.
This is a big advantage. Plus riding a bike, you know,
there's so much glute work there.
His strength from the bike I think will also be a big asset
in the marathon. So he's.
Been Phil Clayton did a lot of work with him.
He did a lot of swimming. Swimming work ahead of the Paras
Olympics this year. Interesting to say that because
he got over, he obviously overran Hayden Wild at the
Olympics. Yeah, the 70.3 World
Championships for triathlon were on a Taupo on the weekend.
Yeah, and I went out to the forest and I was going to have a
run and I was kind of watching the live feed to see how Hayden
went. He's run out.
He's got off the bike with a group run out of transition
first. He's got 1/2 marathon to run and
he's ripping it up, like ripping it up.
He got about a minute and a half lead.
I shut the phone off, went running and thought nothing of
it. When I popped out of the forest,
I ran into a couple of guys who said did you did, did you happen
to see the truck? And I said yeah, Hayden, I put
it down. When Hayden ran off, he blew up
again. No.
Yep, second again. So quickly.
But you, I mean, we've, we've both gone like as if, you know,
we can do better. No, no, like it's just crazy.
Like just twice in this year. He's obviously set himself up
for a pace to run that he thought was achievable and then
obviously faltered along the way.
So if you're Hayden and those two, you look back at the World
Championships for the half 70.3 and the Paris Olympics and in
both races your strategy has let you down.
Your body hasn't let you down. Your strategies let you down.
What? What are you saying?
What, what examination? What's are you saying to
yourself? There's two ways you can look at
it. I mean, the the first thing is
he's got balls. He gives it a go and you can
only learn from that, right? The worst, the worst thing is
you. You didn't, you nearly got
there, you failed, and then you come back stronger.
The other way to look at it is pacing, maybe that being a bit
optimistic on their pacing. But look, without knowing the
fool, you know, you don't know if it was a bit crook or there
could be a range of factors in that.
I mean, it's been really hot. I'm assuming Taupo also would
have heat at the moment, not obviously Queensland heat, but
it would be a similar situation where they will probably expect
in cooler weather and it has been hotter.
You know, all those things affect you pacing over that
distance. Quick, we'll move on from this
because I this is something we're going to monitor into next
year as well, because the fact that the best triathlete in the
world has gone out and just thrown down the gauntlet and
planted a flag. How do you think he'll be
received by the marathon community?
I think those who know him so the UK marathon community will
100% embrace right? I think the more let's say semi.
Pro oh community yeah you know like so perhaps those runners
that Alex is will it means immediately jump ahead of
correct. Not just in the UK, but across
the globe who have something to protect, right.
So I think there's AI think across sports these days, like
you're seeing a good example is Tour de France riders are
actually going to Hawaii, Iron Man and racing and they're not
being able to, you know, convert to win right.
They I think there is a real respect there across sports now
and obviously multi sport, you're never going to be as good
as the individual sports. That's why you're in multi
sport. Like, hey, I'm the first person
to say that, right, You're good at you're average at three,
you're very good average at three sports, which makes you
able to win something that you can't win in the individual
sport. I mean that was my life, right,
So let's get that out of the way.
Yeah, but why I say well, irk the semi pro more is it will
they'll jump them, but they're also protective of their space,
that they're their individuals that that good.
And you're going to see someone who's across three sports come
across and arguably go right there to the elite level.
It maybe maybe blows up too, who knows, But it's great.
He's given it given it. He given it a.
Shot Christian Blumenfeld, the triathlon one of the best in the
business. He's noticed he's but he might
have slightly backtracked on his claim to go and win the Tour de
France. I'd say he's probably
backtracked on that, but he's looking at professional cycling.
But I mean, Camworth is the best example.
The Aussie so Olympic rower. So yeah.
Lightweight scholar for Australia at the Olympics, went
on to ride in multiple years as a professional.
I think he raced for Cannondale team.
He ended up at sky. He still races in for sky like
as a domestic across, you know, right up to the biggest races in
the like the main grand tours. And then he goes, I think he's
top ten in Hawaii this year. So you know, it's definitely
possible to go across all those sports and there's some guys who
do this really well in endurance.
But I think like I'll just reiterate, I think at the elite
level now there's a real respect across, you know, all sports
because you know, you've got to specialise in each of them and
you've got to specialise in multi sport to be the best at
that as well. But it's probably that next
level down that this is really. Good.
See to all the punters like me and the just the, the, you know,
the mud runners out there that are listening to this and
thinking this should make you feel good because it's not a
case of you didn't specialise early enough.
No, there's just an elite bunch of humans in our world who
physiologically are capable of doing this stuff in any code,
right? And whether it's at the Olympics
or Zoroa in Tour de France and triathlon, right?
These are special aliens that live amongst us and we should
just enjoy them being around us. Yeah, but in reality, you're the
Jack of all trades and master and none as well.
That's me. I'm I'm, I can say that now
after, you know, 20 years of being in that space.
Next let's let's go. We'll leave that for the moment.
Let's go to we're talking about pacing and, you know, we're
talking about Hayden had it blew up.
We're talking can Alex do this? So this week I thought AI
training now we talk a lot about coaches.
Yep. So I've pumped into, I just
talked about me wanting to get my 5K down and you know, I'm
running a little bit better at the moment.
So I pumped into chat GTP just to see how good the old AI would
go of training. And I said an 8 week training
plan to get me to run a 16 minute park run.
It's not so good. That's the word really.
Yeah. So pretty much, I mean, not
everyone's going to understand this at at that pace, but it
does suggest that eight weeks is ambitious but achievable for an
experienced runner with a solid fitness base.
So I'd consider myself that. It's designed for someone who
can already run at 5K around 18 to 19.
So I can definitely do that at the moment.
This is where the catch comes in, because I reckon there's a
lot of people sitting there going, well, not a lot, but
there'll be people sitting there go I can run an 18 to 19, I can
get to 16 with AI in eight weeks.
I can tell you right now, no. So AI is wrong in this case.
So pretty much it goes into it is working down a 16 minute 5K
is going to take you 312 per kilometre.
That's what pace you're going to have to run it.
It reckons you need to do speed work, tempo runs, long runs and
recovery, which is right. So it's pulled a good weekly
structure. But this is where it gets
interesting because it tells me I'm only going to have to run 5
days of running and two days of rest will CrossFit.
So it thinks I can run a 16 minute 5K off five runs.
And OK and you sorry you don't think you can achieve that?
I think with my background, if I when did the cross training I'd
do on those other two days was like long bike rides, it
probably I would be able to maybe manage that.
But for the average person who's just a runner and doesn't have
20 years of background in professional triathlon, no way.
No way. Not unless you're very, very
talented or yeah, very, very talented. 5, you know, five runs
only to go from an 18 or 19 minute 5K to get to a 16 in
eight weeks. It's kid in itself.
Look, I won't spend too much time on this, but I thought it
was just a good, a good indication, you know, because
there's a lot of people out there who are going.
I can just, you know, we've talked about it, get proper
help, but I can just go to the Internet and it will tell me
what to do. This is AI telling you what to
do, but I'll guarantee you a lot of the online coaches out there
who don't have the expertise are probably pumping the same crap
out. This is when you pop this in the
run sheet for the week. My brain lit up because this is
so interesting. And you just talked about trying
to get, you know, down to a 16 minute 5K, which for me is
unfathomable. But I jumped on ChatGPT and we
have early on in the in the pod talked about the idea of run
school. And has your coach been to a run
school and and got the qualifications to be teaching
your programme? What run club or run coach would
you go to? Would it be based on
recommendations, qualifications or the rest of these?
This sort of, and I've told you often I find I'll jump online
and go, oh, you know, give me a run session to run this.
And X&YI jumped onto ChatGPT and said build me a an 8 week
programme to run a sub 40 minute 10K.
Yeah, right. And.
Are you happy with the results? Well, I was until you just said
what you said, because I look at the programme, it's pumped out
and it kind of looks pretty similar to the stuff that I've
been looking at previously. Yeah, I mean.
It does look similar, but there's a few things in here
like. A good example is.
Let me have a look. I also I also pumped in give me
a 12 week plan to run a sub three hour marathon.
I think that one's a dangerous one of AOI.
OK, just going on what I'm seeing from a what it pumps out
for wanting to do a 5K. So where it got interesting to
me is it's just obviously it's pulling a lot of information
from a lot of different sources to try and, or, or maybe it's
just copying something that is seen on the web and you don't
know where that expertise has come from.
But where it talks about like starting to do race pace
simulations on a Saturday to aim for a 17 or faster in week 6.
But then it's time to me on a Tuesday, we want you to do 84
hundreds at that 312 pace with 92nd dress.
Well, you're going to have to do your 400 reps quicker than your
5K pace, OK, with a 92nd rest to be able to achieve a 16 minutes.
I can tell you that right now, if you're running only being
able to run a free 12400, yeah, with that much rest, you ain't
gonna be running 16 minutes. So it it kinda.
And then even to the point of the beginning, it's saying a
long run should only be the first long run.
It says in week 110 to 12 K at an easy pace.
Yeah. You know, I just don't think
many people are gonna be able to do that type of volume and get
out. And run a 16 it it says to do
your long runs for this three hour sub three hour plan.
It says to do your long runs on Saturdays too, which I'm not,
but the I we're we're talking about specific examples that we
punch into it. And I can guarantee you most
people living who are listening right now will after they finish
listening, finish their run, probably jump on ChatGPT if they
haven't already done it before and start playing around with a
time or a distance goal that they've got in mind for their
running. But I'm curious because we know
what, I don't want to call it rubbish, but we know what sort
of some ill informed programmes are that are out there and that
are being pushed out there onto first time runners or beginner
runners as professional programmes or you know, properly
researched and prepared tailored programmes for people to run
with. I had not thought that some of
these people might have just been using AI to write these
programmes. I think a lot of people are are
utilising not well, AI is one one thing, but I also think
they're just utilising just online.
Now looking at this and knowing some of the programmes that I've
looked at, I've got no doubt there are people out there who
are pushing who, who, who run run clubs or run other things,
who are pushing some of this onto their participants
community. And then they've just, they've
ripped it straight off Chachi BT.
Just have it. Yeah.
I mean everyone just just think about it like common sense often
often prevails. But Chachi BT has removed the
need for common sense calling. Now AI has.
We don't need common sense anymore when we have this thing.
That's true. And and, and, and it's cheap,
it's free, it's free. So I'm not saying I'm not saying
it's wrong, but what I did notice I was scared.
I was scurrying like for today's episode.
I was scurrying through Instagram last night trying to
find some interesting weird things or whatever for us to
have a chat about. And it, it just reinforced to me
again, just seeing random reel. So not people I follow, but some
of the run advice and the P and the and the person offering that
run advice by even just like, yeah, but we talked last week
about don't take looks by, you know, that that means they can't
run. But look, some of the people
offering it and I'm saying you're offering proper run
advice there. I can guarantee you you can't do
what you're saying. Like I can guarantee you cannot
do what you're saying. So sometimes I think it'd nearly
be like nice to go. You gave that advice, you know,
where did that experience come from?
Why don't you go and prove it yourself first?
That's an expertise. This all comes back to this and
it's a part of, it's a, it's a side effect of where running is
at right now. It's this, it's this world in
which there's experiences to be had, there's money to be made,
there's opportunities to be seized upon.
And as a result, we're seeing all these, you know, podcasts,
we're seeing influences, we're seeing programmes, we're seeing
clubs, all these things pop up. And the side effect is that some
of these things might be dangerous.
But I don't like giving. That's the reason I don't like
giving advice. You know, I've said this to you
before. To others I'll say what works
for me, but there's no guarantee that's going to work for you
because different background, different talent, different all
different genetics, all those different things.
You really need to work with someone and understand them and
get to know them and do all that before you can start giving
advice. But like I said, there's always
a place to start the 5K. Like we reiterate the 5K apps 5K
run, 5K run. Like yeah, a few of the 5K
runner apps are great to start and and yeah, reach out to
people that have kind of experienced.
It it's exactly to to give advice on not giving advice.
It's exactly the same thing you talk about when you say, when we
talk about shoes, go and try them.
Go and try. Don't commit, go all in on a 12
week programme for a club that you've just signed up to.
Don't jump in on what ChatGPT is telling you for an 8 week
programme. Just try some stuff.
Try some stuff. Try some stuff.
The best way to It's the best way to enjoy your writing to get
more out of it. So it was a bit of.
AI like it, I like it's. Good.
It was good. It was good to see because I'd
never really looked at it in that way.
Now off the back of that though, so we're talking about times in
16 minutes and you were, like you said, oh, I'd dream of 16
minutes, but I think I can, you know, I'm in that 19.
Yeah, 19 is about me. OK, so people are listening to
our Clyde style chatter. Oh.
Yes. So having the heavy category in
marathons. Yep, this is something that
exists at the news of triathlon. There's the Clydesdales and the
Athena category. It's for people who are over 100
KG. And we have.
We are the Champions of the idea of embracing this category for
marathon running. Not as a negative.
We talked about this. It is a celebration of what you
are doing at your size. Correct.
So off the back of those discussions, one of my good
friends, so Brett Carter, he, he actually helped when I was doing
an Olympic campaign. He was one of my swim coaches.
He was a good triathlete in his day, a hard worker like just.
They. They called him the bulldog
because he was just like great and went on to win some, you
know, some iron Man's and and amazing stuff.
A psychologist now and then when I ran into the other day, he
started telling me he's like looking at chemistry and
physics, like went over my head chemistry and physics and a few
other things like he's just one of those guys.
He's just going to study for the rest of me.
He's a curious guy, but a smart guy and and knows his sport.
Now he came to me this week and bear with me on this, he's come
up with an idea in this Clydesdale category.
But it can work across everyone and it's talking about measuring
your run ability with watts. So you know when you've got a
power metre on a bike, you can also measure your watch running
and your watts are affected by. So your watts are definite.
So how much watts you're putting out, but depending on your
weight right then, and let me get this right, I'm going to go
to, I'm just going to this is my science for the week that I
don't understand, but I'm going to read instead.
So he's come up with an interesting idea regarding
discussions on the Clyde cell. I've been calculating the
average what's for a 5K for two athletes.
Athlete 1 weighs 72 KG. That's me.
Whip it. And runs a 5K in 17 minutes.
Athlete 2 weighs 65 KG and runs a 5K in 1630.
OK, we've got that. So 65 he runs at 30 seconds
quicker. It works out that Athlete one
has to produce 3.46 watts per kilometre to do that time, and
Athlete 2 has to produce only 3.22 watts per kilometre to
produce his 1630. Therefore, Athlete One's
performance could be considered actually better because he's
producing more watts. I get it.
It's good old physics, but we can do some comparisons to this.
Now this is opens up a wormhole because literally you're going
to get guys who are a bit heavier saying I have, let's put
it into layman's terms as you like it.
I'm heavier. I'm actually a better runner
than you because of my weight, because I can run a 17 and at
your weight you can run a 1630. But I'm actually running more
effectively. I'm producing more.
What's? What is the point?
What's the purpose of that research?
Because. Well I guess the there is no
point because the lighter guy is going to win regardless.
So the point is you need to lose weight.
This is this is how this that sort of research.
But it's going to give people an.
Excuse, right, that sort of research is how we arrive at
participation medals Courtney that is how we turn up and we
arrive at at everybody gets a ribbon because look based on
this metric, you're the best No, based on this metric you're the
best this so. It's of it's so interesting,
Liam, because. A race is a race, and whoever
crosses the line first wins you. You know my position, my
competition, and I've just presented the anti competition.
I've given you the excuse, but we were going to do this later,
but I'm going to jump to it now. Listen to this because this is
Gary Vee and some people might know him from the Internet.
But you want to know my thoughts, this encapsulates
encapsulates it. I knew what you meant right now
buying and I'll show you a winner and every parent that
goes up to that kid and says it doesn't matter, it's just a game
should be punched in the face. Competition is one of the best
things on earth and we have gotten really bad on the left
side of things in understanding it and it's people up because if
you're successful in those 12 years in sucking out competition
of an A6 year old that you have them in your roof, you've put
indifference on a pedestal. And So what you've done is
you've taken someone who was destined to do and you, we've
actually put a kid into a place of thinking things don't matter.
And when you don't think anything matters and you don't
think anything's worth anything, you go down a very dangerous Rd.
Competition is one of the great traits in society and we must at
all costs stop demonising it. What do you reckon, Liam?
I like some of it, I don't like other parts.
Of it, I knew this one would tickle you a bit a bit wrong I.
Like some of it, I don't like other parts of it.
I agree with him that I think competition is really important.
I think that I was a really competitive kid and I loved
competition. Me and my mates, we could turn
anything into a competition, right?
And now as a middle aged bloke, I'm still competitive about
things, but I think it's balanced.
It's AI have a healthy balance of it, right.
I would also what he's saying there about it being demonised
amongst children. I I think you've got to be.
That's a bit aggressive. I think you've got to be really
careful with, you know, basically you can't tell anybody
how to raise their kids. The only people I'll tell, the
only children I'm concerned about moulding are my own
children, right? And my, my wife and I, we are
doing that in our own way. And this idea that you a blanket
rule of, I do think some kids need to be incurred or shown
that it's not life or death if they lose something at a young
age. There's so many more important
things within, particularly sport the kids can learn, not
just winning and losing. Yes, developing a competitive
edge might be important to them and you can help hone that and
the right time and the right place.
You can show them the importance of striving to win.
But there's the lessons of kids. Sport are so much more important
around learning to. Play with others learning to be
a team player learning to learning to be a team player,
learning to share learning to you know how to lose, I think is
a really important skill to learn and and the idea that.
Well, that's what he's hitting on.
It's about learning to lose. Then there's it's about
participation medals here. That was the context of of it.
So you said it's important for your kids, like you want to
mould your kids, but what happens in a world where your
kids, you're not controlling everything your kids get that
comes on to your kids. So you're in a posi, you're in a
in a place where your kids are, you know, achieve something that
they should be proud of. But then the 20 other kids who
did didn't do that get the same outcome.
You're not in control of that, right?
And I think this is where he was.
I mean, he was did it in an aggressive way.
And there's a reason I use that. I use that for a discussion and
I do think there's a balance. However, I also do think that in
life, eventually in life, life's a competition.
You, you win or lose, you get a you, you walk into a workplace,
No one gives you a like a participation job.
No. Well.
Everybody listening to this has just thought of someone in their
office or their workplace. Guarantee, no matter where you
are, you've heard that phrase and somebody, there's a you can
picture them in your mind right now has jumped into your brain.
I've always loved the phrase. And again, the thing about the
Internet is that short and sweet wins If you can wrap something
up, it's marketing, it's sales. If you can wrap something up
into a nice bow and put a tagline on it, it's what sticks
it doesn't it? There's but there's nuance to it
and there's context and there's perspective and all these things
you need to take into consideration.
I've always loved the phrase you win or you learn.
That's a good one. You win or you learn so.
But you also win or you lose. Yeah, you do.
They go hand in hand. They do go hand in hand, but to
take that all or nothingness away from that situation, right,
For most people out there, most people, the majority, the very
nature of competition means most people will lose.
The majority of people will lose well.
Generally, only one person wins. Because even if it's in the team
sport, it's a 5050, right? But for anything that's not a
team sport, races, running races, swimming races, anything
like that, the majority of people will lose.
And if you make it win or lose, it's it's a fundamentally it's a
negative conclusion. Whereas if you go with the win
or learn, the idea is that, well, every time I lose, I'm
learning something I'm I'm learning about why I didn't win
which. The best winners do right,
because you fail over and over and over until you get it right.
We talked about Hayden. Yeah, I mean that that's the
perfect example of he's not winning.
And I bet you he's like, I actually saw a photo of him on
the podium and someone had made a meme of it because he's
literally just like dummy, dummy spitting, like a kid who at
school is lost and dummy spitting.
But he'll learn from that and move on.
And then he will be that will mould himself.
You know what, mate, we, we, we agree, we always agree.
We come from very different spots on this.
And I, you, you haven't whacked the competitiveness out of me
completely yet at that elite level.
But that did resonate. I mean, it was aggressive, but
it did resonate with me because it was like, yes, in the end it
doesn't matter whether you're in sport or whatever.
Like you have to learn that. You have to learn to be able to
accept at some point there will be a winner and you're going to
lose out sometimes. That's probably where I'm going
with it. And if you're resilient enough,
you take that on the chin and then move on.
And to take it back to the kid conversation, which we started
with, which that audio alluded to, if if kids are, if kids are
taught the whole way through that even if you don't win,
you'll still be looked at like it's that.
No, no, no. The realities of life are what
they are and kids need to understand that I just don't
think they need to understand that when they're six right.
That's all I'm saying to Gary's point, I don't think we need a
beta kids over the the head with the harsh realities of life.
Let them find it out in due course.
The. Important thing is like when you
actually let's just we'll get off that.
It was a good it was a good conversation, though, right?
What I do if you want to move on with the kids and, and the idea,
like one thing I'm learning I suppose with my kids as well is
that I probably didn't do a lot of team sports and that drove me
to be in an individualised way. Such a selfish human being.
That's why I'm such a good no. That's why I'm such a grumpy
pressure here when I'm not running well.
You are a remarkably well adjusted solo athlete.
Thank you. No, I mean that because, you
know, often. Well, I lost a lot, Liam.
You learnt a lot I. Learnt a lot because I lost a
lot. But with the kids, what I'm
saying is I think the importance of not just, I mean, and I did
this like playing all sports and working out what you love versus
what your parents love is a big thing.
So like kids being able to experience everything and then,
you know, whether it's they find something they're talented at to
do and love, or whether they just love being part of teams or
whether they love endure endurance sports, whether they
love adrenaline sports, all that, Yeah, they've got to find
it out for themselves. So variety as a kid is something
I'm a big, big believer. Generalisation, not
specialisation. And then when they find what
they're passionate about, back them into it.
We'll let. You can trademark that one,
right? Oh, I think that has been
stolen. OK, well, let's let's let's move
on a little bit about. Can I start?
Can I throw something out at you?
Yep, because I literally found this as I was walking in your
gate today and I laughed. All right.
Have you got that little bit of audio there?
I do so this is the 100 mile. One, this is the crazy running
man. Here we are at the 10 of just
start around 8500 K in the last 100 days, but the job is it done
yet? The goal was always 10,000 K's,
so I wanna wait away to finish it off with another challenge.
How are you gonna do it? I'm gonna be tempting to break
the Kidney school record the fastest 1000 miles by mail,
which is currently held by Garner's Curious.
Now, this is this is a young man by the name of Jack Hanley who I
had never heard of before. And the algorithm has served.
The algorithm has served him up to me.
His name's Jack Hanley, and he's currently attempting to run
10,000 kilometres. And what he has started today on
the day of recording, he is attempting to break the world
record of the fastest 1000 miles.
Now, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because it what?
It's what Ned. Ned Brockman attempted what, a
month ago? A month ago in Sydney?
And yet here we are, a month on from Ned's unsuccessful attempt,
and someone else is trying to break this record.
He's also copied Ned's hairstyle.
He's got a very similar haircut to Ned and again, he's raising
money for charity. And look, shout out to Jack and
I wish you all the best. He's going to run this thing
around the 10. He's going to attempt to break
the record. It is a hell of a lot of
running. I don't think he does it.
Courtney. Are we being respectful enough
to world records? This is look, I'm I don't.
The reason this record exists is because it was such an
incredibly hard thing to do. And I don't know a lot about
what was it, the Yanis, Yanis. Yanis.
Yeah, but he was a basically a professional runner, wasn't he?
Look, I'm, no, we're not giving enough credit to this guy.
I, I'm, it's not my area of expertise, right?
This old like ultra ultra multi day running and that type of
thing. But I listen to The Who I see as
experts in this space who have proven themselves to be the best
in this space. And they simply just say these
guys are all kidding themselves. Like sorry.
And that rubs people up the wrong way.
They are kidding themselves. And what they're doing is
they're leveraging this idea of we can break a world record to
make money and they're making money for good reasons.
So don't get me wrong there, but they're leveraging something for
the wrong reasons. They, they've got no business
even talking about this guy's world record.
And that's me listening to the expertise in guys who really do
know they're rare. So let's put it into
perspective. I want to put it into your
perspective in golfing terms. Just just quickly I have just
pulled up Yanis course, his Wikipedia page.
The sheer amount of gold medals in like worldwide races that
this man has. This is he was the Kelly Slater
of ultra running, right? And now you've got guys who
aren't even professional runners saying we're going to break.
I'm going to break the word record.
I just talked about Kelly Slater.
It's like, it's like, it's like yourself picking up a surfboard
and then you're. Going to go win pipe.
In two years time, you you're doing all right down at the
alley and suddenly you're saying you're going to win pipe.
I'm not joking. This is the kind of difference
we're looking at in golfing terms.
I'll put it into perspective. I heard it nicely the other day
put I'm a 15 handicap and I'm just talking about going and
winning the Masters next week. This is what's happening.
So great. Good on anyone going out there
and doing things you know for the right for, for, for good
causes. Not, not, definitely not having
a go there. But please stop.
Please stop trying to pull this idea that you're in any shape or
form a runner of that standard. Of that standard these guys
clearly a runner and if he's achieving it if he's running
10,000 clicks it like that's incredible and if he's setting
out to to run the 1000 miles pulled on him around the tan
that heel of the tan will become real nasty I reckon look it's
two days in but it's. Disrespectful to runners Who
That is their profession. Yeah, it's to the everyday
person out there who's just seeing this on news.com dot AU.
They're like wow, like amazing. Cuz they don't, they don't know
it's not their if you don't have the information, but what it is
doing, I'll say. So let's put it in context.
It's being disrespectful to professionals in this space, and
let's leave it at that. I like it very nicely summed up,
Courtney. Good luck to Jack Handley, by
the way. OK, let's.
Get into some more fun stuff. Yeah, I reckon so.
The WTF the what the fuck segment?
We're gonna have to put another one.
On OK. So first one out of the gate, I
think you might, I'm not sure you may have sent this one to
me, but we've got this is coming from the gaming world.
We've got Simon Says hands down. Simon Says hands down.
Run and place, run and place. Simon Says run.
Simon Says stop, hands up. Simon Says hands up.
Weave it around, wave it around. Simon Says wave.
Simon Says stop. Weave it around, wave it around.
Simon Says wave. Simon Says run.
Summon to stop, hands down. But.
So I love this. We've got we've got grown
adults. Yeah, in a stadium it is.
Let me check. Here it is.
Lud Ludwig, stream again. Ludwig.
So I'm assuming he's probably got a zillion million followers
and they're playing live, Simon Says.
This is This is your mob too. This is a Red Bull event.
This is well, it's certainly a Red Bull.
It's Red Bull. It's a Red Bull athlete.
I know. I do know Grace.
But this? Is girl in this is?
I I love this now. I complained about kettlebell
juggling last week. I'm right here for Simon Says.
I'm I'm, I'm signing me out. You're in.
I'm in. So with the Australian version,
we just you're, you're in. Fact.
And I'm only I'm only half joking.
This is something I want to do on the radio next year.
I. Think we're going to?
Shouldn't mention it yet because we know Lutzi listens.
Oh yeah. Hey, Lutzi.
No, leave it for all these people.
Although in the beginning podcast community out there, and
I'm looking down the barrel of the camera as I say this.
This is a verbally binding copyright that this is.
I will be allowed to do this on my radio show, not shit next,
not next year. And if it pops up on Nova, Lutzi
is the bind. Yeah, so I.
I love the idea. You can imagine on the beach of
the down at Burley or somewhere Simon.
Says championships, Simon Says. Oh, I love it.
OK, so that's a tick. That's green lit.
OK, all right, second one now you loved our marathoner last
week. So this one this week is there
was a half marathoner. It's only 1/2 marathoner and
this came his name was runner JMD at that's his Instagram
handle. He ran 1/2 marathon juggling
last week it was baking this week we're juggling.
Where's this stock? This one I don't like as much as
the baking. OK, because he's running quite
fast I think. I think the thing about the
baking last week was that right? You are going to try and jog
whilst baking a cake. It's so insane but I can't wait
to see you try and do it. What's this guy at?
What time's this guy end up running for 1/2 marathon?
Well, you can go and have a look.
Once I've just brought up 11749 that's.
Impressive. That's really impressive. 117 is
impressive running. Do you know what's more
impressive? What if he ran a 68 without
juggling? Again, this guy can clearly run.
Just run. You're not going to, Yeah,
you're not going to sell me on these.
I'm out. I'm out on that one.
What? What do you reckon this thinking
of that? What do you reckon would what?
This is obviously evolving. Can you think of something that
is the most idiotic thing someone is going to do in a
marathon while they're running? Oh, I'm the spot, Liam.
The most idiotic thing? Oh, this is a great game
actually. Right.
If anyone else has got some good ones, we'll share them next
week. But what is the most, what's the
dumbest thing someone's going to do running a marathon?
My mind's jumping to like or a half marathon.
You know what? Let's In the Beginning podcast
slide into our DMS. What do you think is the most
insane thing we're going to see somebody attempt to do whilst
running a marathon or a half marathon?
Do you know what? 'D be more impressive than him
juggling juggling swords. Well, juggling kettle bells.
Juggling all right on to the next one now this one this one's
not so much off off. I did see this on like I forgot
where I saw it on Instagram, but it's Strava mule.
Have you heard of this? No, no.
So when we're talking mule, it's kind of more like the, you know,
the drug mule, the drug mule. There's this thing about that's
been out there about people paying someone to run the
marathon with their phone so that they can get the kudos on
Strava of running quicker. People are paying other runners
to run with their phone in a marathon so that they can claim
they've run win that race quicker.
I have. I reckon I've got a couple of
mates that would do this, yeah, but also they're not the sort of
mates. Just to rub you up the wrong way
so they could say they can do 248 or something.
Here's the the mates of mine that would do this are the mates
who if suddenly a marathon or a half marathon popped up on this
driver, I'd assume their phone had been stolen.
Like I'm like, what do you mean you've never run more than 5
kilometres in your life? They're doing this as a joke.
Yes. If anybody's doing this and if
any legitimate runner. I'm not putting it past people.
What do? You mean you don't have that
little faith in the world do? You I do what there's there's
some seriously, I mean I only hear this through just listening
to runners to chat and all of that.
But the stuff that goes on even just around Strava crowns and
people rides bikes yes. So this is a more legit way of
upping that ante give you a phone to someone in the marathon
and run. But you know, the amount of
stuff that goes on with the, the bikes and the the running and I
own this crown and I'm the quickest up here, I mean.
This drive of crowns are a funny 1 isn't it?
Because there's an Instagram account which is the guy who's
like, I think it's called stealing crowns and basically
literally flies around the world trying to steal starve Strava
crowns by just basically sprinting the segments and and
getting getting the crowns. How much would I have to pay you
to run with my phone either in a marathon next year?
Well, these Strava mule ideas. Just I charge per gramme and I
charge heavily. So depends.
Depends. Depends how many jobs you're
doing next year, Liam. Depends how many MC gigs.
You got I don't. I do like the idea that because
this is brought to my mind, there's for those that never
watch the TV show Suits the main character in it would take the
law exam for people and get them the score that they wanted for
money. It's the same.
Thing so this I like the idea that you Courtney, could become
a gun for hire next year. Literally could be the Strava
mule. Strava mule and just run them
but. They could be more lucrative
than I ever had in my actual racing career when I was losing
them and the. Key for any potential customers
out there is that if you're a 25 minute 5K park runner, don't get
Courtney to run a 16 minute right.
You just want that 22 minute or that 21 minute just.
Incremental. Just it needs to be believable
and that's how you don't get caught.
And I imagine the drug mules out there are probably thinking the
same thing. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
All right. Yeah.
What? Do you want to move on to?
Let's do more audio you've. Got some more audio?
I've got. So this one, this one would.
This is gonna just create another discussion.
And this is actually in the nightclub space of all things.
So we're gonna really pivot here.
This audio is actually Simon Beard, who is Culture King's
founder. Went to TSS, went to my school.
Yeah. Not at my time.
He's a bit younger, so didn't know him.
Can't claim that one. But he is a runner.
Is he? Yeah, so Braden spent shared
this with us, he ran the said. That Braden.
So Simon ran the New York Marathon.
Oh nice. And after he finished, he's
literally said, I mean, he booked in for a massage and what
he got was the evolution of the nightclub without alcohol.
So have a listen to this and and see what he says.
No nightclubs are trending down. This is what I believe they're
getting replaced with. I just ran the New York City
Marathon on the weekend and I booked a massage straight after
it at this place called Bathhouse.
Now as soon as I walked down these LED dark nightclub
lighting stairs and saw the game changing aesthetic inside
Afrobeats, electronic music playing, super futuristic metal
displays, I knew this was the future.
Created such a cool vibe and it was packed down there.
Hundreds of people between the different salt spas, the cold
plunges, the massive 50 person sauna.
Plus they even had this other furnace style sauna which was
amazing but one of its smartest moves.
No phones allowed. I think this is going to
continue as one of the biggest trends is phone free activities.
So much of cold plain sauna running for example has taken
off in the last few years. I believe it because it
distracts us from the constant dopamine overload of us getting
hooked on our phone. But the really unique part about
this place is it felt nothing like a day spot.
It was way more higher energy and you saw people come in big
groups, mates catching up or girlfriend.
And talking and that's why I was like, this is so much better
than just catching up at the pub and playing pokies.
Now I feel the big gap in the market is if you can create this
nightclub style hype to one of these bath houses and remember
perceive type is hype and feel it full of people that really
create this network, fix energy, vibe, environment that creates
this place to be the same as a club or a bar, you could grab so
much of the market. Lots to unpack there.
Lots. To unpack there felt a little
bit like I did with the Gary Vee audio Greed with some of it.
Hated other parts of it. Jeez, you're the Grinch today.
No, no, no, I think I loved what he was saying about the
replacement of nightclubs and the the discussion around it's a
bit like the Nike run that I went for the other week.
It's that that is the new, that could be the new pre drink.
That could be how people start their weekends with one of these
high octane, high energy nightclubby vibe run sessions.
I think there is globally we are seeing that people value the
benefits from exercise and being outdoors with their mates more
than what they have previously. I agree with him there.
I don't know if the phone free part of it rings true I think.
For the nightclub part or the running part?
Because he said the reason running he believes running is
so popular is that with the dopamine they're getting from
the running, that's getting them away from the phone.
Yeah, but fundamentally, most people these days run with their
phones and they run with their, like most people around there,
that's true. And they document everything
they do on their runs with their phones.
I, I think that's, that's an overestimation.
I think there's a, a minority of people who run and do that, OK.
And they're the noisy few, OK. But I think generally you'll
find that if you went down and watched the Esplanade every
morning here on the Gold Coast, if you go down to the beach and
watch the Esplanade, I'm talking like 8 out of 10.
Nine out of 10 aren't that runner.
They're actually out there running for the right reasons.
What we hear about and what we're showing in this show is
these social media clips and all of that.
And then is, is that noisy few you hear from because they're
showing what they do. You don't see the rest of them.
So I actually agree with the fact it's getting away from your
phone and if you carry your phone for safety or you're
listening to music even all that's fine.
But it's it's a talking about getting off your phone and
literally scrolling or getting off your phone and talking and
all that stuff. Do you think, do you agree with
what he had to say about the not sure the recovery spa space
being a communal thing? I'm not on mass, no.
No. But I meant he's a smart dude.
He just he just I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say like I think
you know, he's an entrepreneur and a very good entrepreneur.
So I think if he's identified an area he can and even talked
about their like perceptions. Perception is perception,
perceived type, perceived type is height.
Sorry, yeah, yeah, but it's the perception of the hype that
you'll see It doesn't have to necessarily be the hype.
I think you could create definitely AI mean this is
happening around the coast at the moment, Gold Coast at the
moment, and I'm sure it's happening in Sydney as well with
these style of these new style of recovery areas.
And there, you know, you've got your hot, you've got your sauna,
you've got your hot bath, you've got your cover bath, you've got
your, you know. PB3 is another one.
I mean, realistically, P3 that's this is just an evolution of
that and putting it into a space that's a little bit more for
better word hyped up where younger got like younger crew
could go there and and be like feel like it's the next stage of
that. But to be honest, like all these
bath houses that are showing up like this.
But when like I went down there and actually went to one at one
stage just to check it out and I looked around.
It's not athletes using them. No, it's just people hanging out
and half of them taking photos. Yeah, interesting.
I reckon we might have to reach out to Mr Simon Beard and we see
if we can't get him on because if he is a runner, I'd love to
talk to him about, you know, how he became it, how it fitted in
with, you know, obviously Culture Kings is enormous.
He's out of it now, but I'd be be be a fascinating conversation
to talk to him about how running, you know.
But I do like the one thing of all of that I did love is the
fact that, yes, some people run with their phone and I do it
too. At certain times.
They either listen to a podcast or whatever it is.
But you're not on your. You're not on your phone in that
way where you're literally just sitting on the couch and
scrolling and lost in a world of just watching, you know,
arguably crap or getting for younger crew getting caught up
in that world of like, you know, trying to chase.
Whatever. Yeah, like trying to make well.
Likes or like, well, this is the real world because half of the
stuff we know isn't real on there.
If you're out running, you're taking in, you know, whether
it's urban or a nature, you're taking in all that other
stimulus and the actual and and even eventually you're running
and you'd have this too. Like you can be listening to
music. You can often be listening to a
podcast and you'll find halfway you're actually it's just
background noise you're. Not really listening.
Your mind gets off in other cases.
So I do 100% agree with him that that is the reason.
That is one of the largest reasons why people are running.
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