1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,720 In the beginning, at 14, we're back. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,240 Hi, Courtney. We're back. 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,280 What a week. Christmas just around the 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,880 corner. Exciting. 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,160 Holy crap it is. Now I've got to I've I'm going 6 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:16,640 to start with a confession. Oh, we talked about headphones 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,240 and, and having 2 headphones in and etiquette and all of that. 8 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:22,880 Well, I was the wanker in the forest yesterday. 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,640 What are we doing in? So I rocked up to the forest, 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,200 it's been raining, it's been pouring, right? 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,200 And as I pulled up in my car, I got out, I met, I saw one of my 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,840 mountain bike mates and he's gone. 13 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:36,880 I'm like, why are you out of the forest so early? 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,480 He's got a man, there's water everywhere, can't really ride, 15 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:42,480 it's a nightmare. And I'm like perfect for running 16 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,240 so I can get in the singles by myself. 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,440 Yeah, 2 headphones in. I'm running down a track just in 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,120 my own world. I look up and there's an old guy 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,400 on the side on his mountain bike, just shaking his head at 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,360 me. Mate. 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 I bought myself a. Proper tut tutted too. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,280 I got he the IT just the evil eyes at me and I thought, Oh no, 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,400 I'm that guy on that guy. Anyway, I thought, how do I get 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,160 out of this? So I had a chat to him and said, 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,840 mate, I didn't expect anyone to be in here in the morning. 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Of course he said my friend's coming. 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,360 There's another guy behind me got both headphones out at that 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,040 point and put them in my pocket and said, oh, I ran into someone 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,320 and I didn't think anyone would be in a mountain bike. 30 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:25,120 You know whose reply was what? Pussies. 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Nothing like the old guy that said everyone's straight, right? 32 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:35,520 But that is to to anybody out there, because inevitably, as 33 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,720 these tracks and trails and paths get busier and busier and 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,680 busier, just just deal with it. Don't get frustrated because I 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,800 know there would have been other people who would have been in 36 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,640 that situation who would have run off and might have had a 37 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,640 terse word at the old bloke for giving you the stink eye and all 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,720 this sort of stuff. Everyone's out there doing 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 stuff. Just just talk to each other 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,400 about these little dramas. And if you're running single 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,720 trails, don't have two headphones in. 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,000 Yeah, I'm learning with what we do. 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,320 I'm learning with what we do. Mate, you can talk yourself out 44 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 of anything you. Can you can talk yourself out of 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,160 it? But I was that guy. 46 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,000 That was my confession. Hey, you know what that is? 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,440 That's hand up accountability and that's what we're about here 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,520 in the beginning. Now the interesting thing about 49 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,840 today's app is that, and we got lots to get to, but you and I 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,320 are coming in at very different frequencies to use a use. 51 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,160 A very term motivation. We're coming in at very 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,240 different energy levels because tell, well, tell us why you're 53 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 in such a great space, right? Now, well, I'll get into my week 54 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,720 a little bit later, Yeah, but I've just come home from a run 55 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,000 down at Pizzi Park, local, local athletics track, Gold Coast 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Runco and my I've had an improvement again today in my 57 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,280 threshold. So a 20 minute threshold, Yeah, 58 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,400 the heat, it's been a, it's a lot nicer running this morning. 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,280 So that's definitely got something to do with it. 60 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,520 But I'm over that little bit of a hump where I was going 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,600 backwards for a few weeks and there was a group of five of 62 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,920 these young bucks running along here. 63 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:02,280 I am the old guy at the back, you know, easy as. 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,440 And I said to one of the young guys at the end of it, you know, 65 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,640 wait, what have you been doing for 5K lately? 66 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:12,080 And he said 01451 and I'm like, oh, here we go. 67 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,960 You know, you reckon I can, you reckon I can slide under that 16 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,280 minutes. And you know, as long as I'm 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,040 around that, you know, back down in the fifteens, I'll be happy 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,920 so. This smile, this smile is 71 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,680 literally the term ear to ear sums up you talking about your 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,080 running at the. Moment now with all that 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,400 excitement I just gave just give me your. 74 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,400 Because I couldn't be further to the other end of the spectrum 75 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,680 right now. And I think interestingly, when 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,680 I walked into your house this morning and you were literally 77 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,480 buzzing, you just thought I've come back from this great 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,600 session and I came in completely shoulder slumped. 79 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,680 I am right in that I'm I'm in a running hump at the moment. 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,680 I went for a run down in Adelaide where I was away with 81 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,840 some friends and it went OK, It was all right. 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,040 And then I came for a run. When I got back here to the 83 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,720 Goldie. I tried to go for a run 84 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,080 yesterday. I've got 2-3 KS into it and I 85 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,200 just stopped and I and I can't tell if it's a combination of 86 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,040 well I know it is. It's a combination of a 87 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,520 physically. Like I've been doing some gym 88 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,880 sessions as well so the legs are a bit sore and all the rest of 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,760 it. But also I've got all these 90 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,839 things going on. I'm finding it difficult to 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,560 switch off from my from work even though we're on radio 92 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,200 break. Yeah, but getting getting to the 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,720 new show. We're getting we've got a new 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,240 show coming out so I'm finding it really difficult to switch 95 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,880 off my brain about this new show and getting things organised. 96 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,640 It's obviously Christmas, Christmas, so the kids are at 97 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,520 home and you want to keep them entertained and now my wife's on 98 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,160 holidays as well. So it's like, well I want to be 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,040 putting in some quality family time and doing some stuff with 100 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,280 them. But then I've got this show 101 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:47,720 going on, I've got some stuff with some some mates going on 102 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,520 that I need to deal with after we finish Recall. 103 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,520 All these things is jumping in my brain and it's the sort of 104 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,720 environment where normally a nice run would clarify some of 105 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,120 this and help me clear it all out. 106 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 And I just can't get, I've just got no motivation to trot at the 107 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,240 moment. I so I'm battling. 108 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,480 I will. We've said this before, stress 109 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,920 is stress. It doesn't matter where the 110 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,040 stress is coming from. It can be work, it can be 111 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,000 family, it can be running, but often it's the mental stress 112 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,920 that's actually harder than the physical stress it really is. 113 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,360 And a mate of a good mate of mine, we run with Benny the doc, 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,400 same thing. He's having a bit of trouble, 115 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,840 but it's the stress I reckon. I said to him, mate, it's all 116 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,280 the things going on. And it's this time of year too, 117 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,840 right. With Christmas, you know, 118 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,680 everyone's got a bit more time on their hands. 119 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 You've got family, you're trying to tie up loose ends at the job 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 so you don't have to think about it ideally over Christmas. 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,960 And all that adds up. And, and where it then shows 122 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,520 often is in an injury while you're running, which is the one 123 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,640 thing you can do to help you to get. 124 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,040 So it's Catch 22. So I guess what I would say to 125 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,640 anybody out there, it's OK to be feeling like this at the moment 126 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,280 and if you need to just ride it out with some slower runs, 127 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:04,600 shorter runs or whatever, do. Just get out the door. 128 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Just get out the door and if it turns into a walk, that's fine 129 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,960 as well. Can I just put a bit of a, a bow 130 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,360 on my wake of woah, I might have suffered maybe the most 131 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,080 embarrassing. You talk about running injuries. 132 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,200 I might have suffered the most embarrassing athlete injury 133 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,720 ever. I think I've, well, I know I've 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,840 bruised my foot, but I think the way I've done it is my mum's 135 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:35,240 foot massager and setting the too high and having my feet in 136 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,280 there too long because I was staying with them back in 137 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:39,600 Adelaide. Myself too good a rub. 138 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,560 I'm staying with them back in Adelaide and I've got one of the 139 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,680 ones where you just put your feet straight into it and I love 140 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,600 a foot massage. And now I probably, it was 141 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,040 probably in there for upwards of half an hour. 142 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,840 And now I've had to, I've had to get out of all the, the, the 143 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:59,200 carbon plate shoes or the Adidas, the, the Salem 144 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,240 Inspectors, the whatever. I can't run in them at the 145 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,360 moment. I'm back to the the Nova Blast 146 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,240 'cause I just need that extra foam cushioning in 'cause my 147 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 foot's so sore from this stupid massage machine. 148 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Right, It sounds like you were at the when we began this 149 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,080 podcast where I was exactly. We've got a a few things you 150 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,640 gotta sort out. Let's sort them out. 151 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,400 A good time of year to sort them out and nothing a lot of food 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,800 can't fix. Yeah, exactly. 153 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Maybe. What's been going on with you 154 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,800 all week? My week, it's been pretty when 155 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,200 we we caught up last Thursday, just trying to think when you 156 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,960 went down to Adelaide. You were, I can't even. 157 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,280 You were staying put. You weren't going anywhere, I 158 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,720 don't think. I can't even remember back then 159 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,640 so much as the good thing is I've tied up. 160 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,720 I've tied up, you know, generally across all the few of 161 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,720 the different work things that I, I get up to. 162 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,880 I've tied that up nicely for the year, which is probably the 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,000 other reason I'm so excited today, because one, I'm, I'm, 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 I'm looking forward to putting a little bit more time into what 165 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,920 we're doing here. But also just the fact that, you 166 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,120 know, I mean, I'm, I'm in control of my days to kind of, 167 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,960 you know, do what I want to do. Yeah. 168 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,360 But running's been going really good. 169 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000 So like I've always talked about this consistency thing, right? 170 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,160 And you're going to hear that like a broken record as long as 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,480 we do this because it's so true. This week I've done just the 172 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,360 simple things. Got out for an hour run, just 173 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,680 got through. It's been hot. 174 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,200 It has been it's. Been weird. 175 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,160 The humidity's been I think it was I've finished one run and it 176 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,160 was 98. I mean, it was pretty much 177 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,520 spitting at that point, but it has been really it's. 178 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,520 Crazy. Up until this morning, even 179 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,080 yesterday morning with the rain was still just to run an hour 180 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,400 five in the forest was just like zapping, but just consistency of 181 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,720 just getting the job done every day and then and I've come up 182 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,240 today and felt like I've I've I started a 20 minute run. 183 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:50,480 So we were for context for those listening, you know, I always 184 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,840 try and run what, whether it's threshold or tempo, whatever you 185 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,400 want to call it. I try and keep my heart rate 186 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,320 around that 153 beats as a good guide. 187 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,240 So then that way I can compare week to week. 188 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,920 And today we were, we started off around it's been wet. 189 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,440 So we run across the grass as well. 190 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 So my brother reminded me of that. 191 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,640 Like you can get a get a few extras seconds because we're 192 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:16,720 slopping through the the grass 320 fives to begin with, 193 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,960 dropping down to 320 twos and, you know, heart rate really 194 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,160 stable through that and just been breathing well. 195 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,720 So, you know, hopefully that's a sign of things to come. 196 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,680 But you know, everything's just working really, really well. 197 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,760 But I've been getting talking about shoes because I know 198 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,400 everyone loves talking, you know, hearing us talk about 199 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,560 shoes. I've been getting into my best 200 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,440 work at the moment in the forest because it's been sloppy, it's 201 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,560 been muddy, it's been clay and Solomon, who I run for, do this 202 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:49,840 shoe the Thundercross. So love the name, right? 203 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,640 You know what we're talking about? 204 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Trade. Like, yeah, hey, that is a great 205 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,200 name for a. Shoe come on, you thought that 206 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,840 you you can't make hard now you've got to make hard names 207 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,320 for shoes the thundercross thundercross. 208 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,560 So the speed cross is obviously a Solomon shoe. 209 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:06,960 That's, you know, pretty much the iconic trail running shoe. 210 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,600 It was the original before everyone, every other business 211 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,520 started doing trail shoes. You had a few of those brands 212 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,240 like you know, your salomons, your ultras, you know your true 213 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,920 trail shoe companies do we choose and and speed cross has 214 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,080 been the one that's got really big lugs, great for mud, great 215 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,480 for snow. The thundercross is kind of the 216 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,080 intermediate. It's got, it's got the trail, 217 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,360 it's got the tread, the really good tread, mud tread from the 218 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,440 speed cross, but it puts it into more of a flexible and and 219 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,440 runnable shoe in the Thundercross. 220 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,120 And it's probably, you know, when it's runnable and when it's 221 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,560 usable. It's my favourite shoe in the 222 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,440 range. So I've been given a lot of use 223 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,400 out of that. Just living up in the trails in 224 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,080 that shoe at the moment. Pretty much. 225 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,520 And you know what? You know what happens with? 226 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,360 I mean, everyone will go through this problem in running. 227 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,440 It's another running problem we all have. 228 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,920 You get a wet shoe, you put it in the car, you drive home and 229 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,280 it stinks. You put it in the sun and 230 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,520 there's still, if anyone's got a way to get rid of the smell out 231 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,120 of these shoes after wet, and it's probably sweat as well, 232 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:08,560 right? Yeah. 233 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,800 What? Do you OK, this is I'm glad 234 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,640 you've opened the door to this because there'd be people out 235 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,400 there with this exact problem with their shoes. 236 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,000 You've got a little set up at home, your sort of makeshift 237 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,400 drying rack that your quiver of shoes, as you call it, sits 238 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,600 there at your garage. I I am on the lookout for 239 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,000 something like that because I want to install a similar thing. 240 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,200 How do you maintain your shoes? Well, they sit on that rack. 241 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,840 So I, I mean, obviously I'm lucky enough to get to try like 242 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,440 a lot of shoes. So I have, I have a general 243 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,560 rule. So there's 12 shoes fit on that 244 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:48,040 rack, and at any one time I have the 12 shoes I'm using or or 245 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,120 wearing or whatever. It is and is that is that. 246 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Are they the only like you don't have? 247 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,440 No, I have another cupboard somewhere. 248 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,560 I have some, Yeah. You haven't seen the storage. 249 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,280 You do have storage. The ones I haven't worn too much 250 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,400 or ones I've never really got into or I've got boots and a 251 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,520 whole range of stuff in there. But the 12 that you see when 252 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,080 you, you walk, walk in here is that's my current kind of quiver 253 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 that I'll, I'll change up and like the Thundercross don't get 254 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,080 a lot of use because, and it's quite dry here, but they sit 255 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,240 there because I know I will use. And then I've got a few other 256 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,320 like more Ray shoes, training shoes, a few other street shoes, 257 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,360 But that's the 12. So that's how I work. 258 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,200 But generally, and I don't have a better way to go about this, 259 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,280 when it's like this weather and it's wet, whether it's raining 260 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,200 or whether it's just pure, you're sweating so much and your 261 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,880 shoe comes home wet, I'll just stick the things in the sun and 262 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,600 they dry. Up you don't wash the inners or 263 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,000 anything. You've never thrown a pair of 264 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,840 shoes in the in the wash. Never in a dryer. 265 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,600 I wouldn't trust. I'm not going to throw a pair of 266 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,680 shoes in the dryer. I mean, I think that's going to, 267 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,160 I mean I'm no expert, but I think that's going to, with the 268 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,040 heat and the tumbling and everything else on that's going 269 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,960 to wreck your shoe, I'd assume. I don't know I want. 270 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,240 To keep I want to keep the structure of my shoe as good as 271 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,560 possible. So that's why I just find I put 272 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:05,200 in the sun, I deal with the with the smell, but if there's a 273 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,320 solution to the smell, I'd love to know. 274 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Oh. This is in the beginning podcast 275 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,440 Instagram want you to people to send through their shoe 276 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,520 maintenance hacks because it sounds like we both in need of 277 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,320 some. And if anybody knows what damage 278 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,120 putting your shoes in the dryer can actually do, we feel free to 279 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,160 flick that one through as well. But Claudia, I'm, I'm really 280 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:31,720 glad to hear that you're running well, because no, no, I am 281 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,280 because a, because we love it when people love running. 282 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:41,240 I, I know how frustrated at your, you were getting with your 283 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,040 body, you know, 3-4 months ago off the back of some injuries. 284 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,760 I know how frustrated you were getting and you were plateauing 285 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,280 as you saw it. The other reason I'm excited is 286 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,720 because Courtney Atkinson, I need to know, will you run a 287 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,520 marathon in 2025? Well, it's looking like it. 288 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,880 We, we're going to have some news soon, I hope, because, but 289 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,640 we're not going to jump to any conclusions. 290 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Just. Yet. 291 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,600 But yes, pending, there are some big conversations going on in 292 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,240 the background. But the reason I ask if you're 293 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,200 going to run a marathon is because you one of our greatest 294 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,680 ever triathletes, I want to know if you're going to be motivated 295 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:19,920 by the news that Alex Yee. For people who don't know, the 296 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Olympic gold medallist from England has announced that he is 297 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 going to race the London Marathon next year. 298 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,000 Now for context, the Olympic gold medallist this year in 299 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,320 Paris. If you didn't watch the race, 300 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,560 his kick finish to win gold over New Zealand. 301 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,680 'S Hayden Wild, Hayden Wilde. Was one of the great racing 302 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,040 tactics I've seen in triathlon. He let Hayden go, seemingly it 303 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,080 was done. This is a guy with an incredible 304 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,360 run and the kick he gave it must have been in the last 500 metres 305 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,880 or so, was just unbelievable to watch. 306 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,320 Hayden Wilde's face was just devastation. 307 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,400 But now the next thing you're going to say is going to irk any 308 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,080 proper runners. Oh, who listen well, because or 309 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,520 you could say what? What is he targeting? 310 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Well, he is. Targeting So this is Alex Yee, 311 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,200 the Olympic gold medals in triathlon, who has APBA 5 KPB of 312 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:23,560 1326. He's got A10 KPP of 2751 so the 313 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,280 guy can run. He is targeting between two O 7 314 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,520 and 2:10. Which is Australian men's 315 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,560 marathoning elite, correct? That's what we're really talking 316 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,840 about. Well, that's the new Andy 317 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,400 Buchanan just broke the record, didn't he? 318 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,680 AT2O First man to go under 2O7 for Australia, SO2O6 and a bit. 319 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,120 So this is a guy who marathoning is not his sport, he's an 320 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,000 athlete, let's not get that mixed up. 321 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,560 But in his first marathon is going to try and go basically 322 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,320 touch the Australian record. Well, triathletes have been 323 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,600 known to say some short run times and a few other things and 324 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 but you can't hide in this and nay, Alex, he's the real deal, 325 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,600 right? He in his offseason, he runs 326 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,600 with, he runs in track races, 5K track races with the best in the 327 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,120 UK and he's definitely not the best 5K runner in the UK, but 328 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,880 he's definitely in the mix and can go and perform with them. 329 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,320 So this is definitely not out of the realm and that's exciting 330 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,320 seeing the mix up, mix up what they're doing. 331 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,960 That would be one of the greatest because he's obviously 332 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,000 races for Great Britain. That'd be one of the greatest 333 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,120 British marathon runs if he can achieve that. 334 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Like toys. Not, not the record, because I 335 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,760 think. It'll be the same as here, you 336 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,080 know, very similar to Australian running at the moment. 337 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,920 Yep, 27 is is quick. But I mean, the good thing, the 338 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,960 great thing with triathlon is when you're stepping up from 339 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,240 shorter distance running to I suppose a marathon distance of 340 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,560 two hours, that's a step up for runners, right? 341 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,400 They come through, you know, they do the mile, a 5K10K and 342 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,080 build and the marathon's kind of the longer distance they'll do. 343 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Triathletes do that every day, if not longer. 344 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,480 So you, you know, Alex will be spending 4 1/2 hours on a bike 345 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280 during the week. So to come back and run a 2 hour 346 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,200 effort, in a way, he's coming down in distance in a in, not in 347 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,119 a perfect world because he's got to do it all running. 348 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,520 But you see what I'm saying? He's aerobic base. 349 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:24,000 This is a big advantage. Plus riding a bike, you know, 350 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,640 there's so much glute work there. 351 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,960 His strength from the bike I think will also be a big asset 352 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,160 in the marathon. So he's. 353 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,040 Been Phil Clayton did a lot of work with him. 354 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,480 He did a lot of swimming. Swimming work ahead of the Paras 355 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,080 Olympics this year. Interesting to say that because 356 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,160 he got over, he obviously overran Hayden Wild at the 357 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,840 Olympics. Yeah, the 70.3 World 358 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,960 Championships for triathlon were on a Taupo on the weekend. 359 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Yeah, and I went out to the forest and I was going to have a 360 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,160 run and I was kind of watching the live feed to see how Hayden 361 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,720 went. He's run out. 362 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,720 He's got off the bike with a group run out of transition 363 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,240 first. He's got 1/2 marathon to run and 364 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,640 he's ripping it up, like ripping it up. 365 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,080 He got about a minute and a half lead. 366 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,720 I shut the phone off, went running and thought nothing of 367 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,160 it. When I popped out of the forest, 368 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,440 I ran into a couple of guys who said did you did, did you happen 369 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,360 to see the truck? And I said yeah, Hayden, I put 370 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,760 it down. When Hayden ran off, he blew up 371 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,920 again. No. 372 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,000 Yep, second again. So quickly. 373 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,680 But you, I mean, we've, we've both gone like as if, you know, 374 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,960 we can do better. No, no, like it's just crazy. 375 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,560 Like just twice in this year. He's obviously set himself up 376 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,800 for a pace to run that he thought was achievable and then 377 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,560 obviously faltered along the way. 378 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,760 So if you're Hayden and those two, you look back at the World 379 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Championships for the half 70.3 and the Paris Olympics and in 380 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,840 both races your strategy has let you down. 381 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,400 Your body hasn't let you down. Your strategies let you down. 382 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,760 What? What are you saying? 383 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,480 What, what examination? What's are you saying to 384 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,800 yourself? There's two ways you can look at 385 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,360 it. I mean, the the first thing is 386 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,760 he's got balls. He gives it a go and you can 387 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,240 only learn from that, right? The worst, the worst thing is 388 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,160 you. You didn't, you nearly got 389 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,240 there, you failed, and then you come back stronger. 390 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,480 The other way to look at it is pacing, maybe that being a bit 391 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,280 optimistic on their pacing. But look, without knowing the 392 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,880 fool, you know, you don't know if it was a bit crook or there 393 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,320 could be a range of factors in that. 394 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 I mean, it's been really hot. I'm assuming Taupo also would 395 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,440 have heat at the moment, not obviously Queensland heat, but 396 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,520 it would be a similar situation where they will probably expect 397 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,160 in cooler weather and it has been hotter. 398 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,360 You know, all those things affect you pacing over that 399 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,400 distance. Quick, we'll move on from this 400 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,440 because I this is something we're going to monitor into next 401 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,720 year as well, because the fact that the best triathlete in the 402 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,520 world has gone out and just thrown down the gauntlet and 403 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,720 planted a flag. How do you think he'll be 404 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,680 received by the marathon community? 405 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,160 I think those who know him so the UK marathon community will 406 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:08,560 100% embrace right? I think the more let's say semi. 407 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:14,360 Pro oh community yeah you know like so perhaps those runners 408 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,400 that Alex is will it means immediately jump ahead of 409 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,440 correct. Not just in the UK, but across 410 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,800 the globe who have something to protect, right. 411 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,960 So I think there's AI think across sports these days, like 412 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,560 you're seeing a good example is Tour de France riders are 413 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,000 actually going to Hawaii, Iron Man and racing and they're not 414 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 being able to, you know, convert to win right. 415 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,640 They I think there is a real respect there across sports now 416 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,280 and obviously multi sport, you're never going to be as good 417 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,480 as the individual sports. That's why you're in multi 418 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,200 sport. Like, hey, I'm the first person 419 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,800 to say that, right, You're good at you're average at three, 420 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,240 you're very good average at three sports, which makes you 421 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,840 able to win something that you can't win in the individual 422 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,720 sport. I mean that was my life, right, 423 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,280 So let's get that out of the way. 424 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:09,160 Yeah, but why I say well, irk the semi pro more is it will 425 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560 they'll jump them, but they're also protective of their space, 426 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,040 that they're their individuals that that good. 427 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040 And you're going to see someone who's across three sports come 428 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,600 across and arguably go right there to the elite level. 429 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,920 It maybe maybe blows up too, who knows, But it's great. 430 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,960 He's given it given it. He given it a. 431 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,360 Shot Christian Blumenfeld, the triathlon one of the best in the 432 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,120 business. He's noticed he's but he might 433 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,280 have slightly backtracked on his claim to go and win the Tour de 434 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,920 France. I'd say he's probably 435 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,320 backtracked on that, but he's looking at professional cycling. 436 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 But I mean, Camworth is the best example. 437 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,560 The Aussie so Olympic rower. So yeah. 438 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,640 Lightweight scholar for Australia at the Olympics, went 439 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,480 on to ride in multiple years as a professional. 440 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,920 I think he raced for Cannondale team. 441 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,400 He ended up at sky. He still races in for sky like 442 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,480 as a domestic across, you know, right up to the biggest races in 443 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,840 the like the main grand tours. And then he goes, I think he's 444 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,120 top ten in Hawaii this year. So you know, it's definitely 445 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,360 possible to go across all those sports and there's some guys who 446 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:11,800 do this really well in endurance. 447 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,640 But I think like I'll just reiterate, I think at the elite 448 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,400 level now there's a real respect across, you know, all sports 449 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,720 because you know, you've got to specialise in each of them and 450 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,120 you've got to specialise in multi sport to be the best at 451 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,800 that as well. But it's probably that next 452 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,080 level down that this is really. Good. 453 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,880 See to all the punters like me and the just the, the, you know, 454 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,200 the mud runners out there that are listening to this and 455 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,360 thinking this should make you feel good because it's not a 456 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,080 case of you didn't specialise early enough. 457 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,280 No, there's just an elite bunch of humans in our world who 458 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,480 physiologically are capable of doing this stuff in any code, 459 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,960 right? And whether it's at the Olympics 460 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,720 or Zoroa in Tour de France and triathlon, right? 461 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,400 These are special aliens that live amongst us and we should 462 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,480 just enjoy them being around us. Yeah, but in reality, you're the 463 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Jack of all trades and master and none as well. 464 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,120 That's me. I'm I'm, I can say that now 465 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,600 after, you know, 20 years of being in that space. 466 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,600 Next let's let's go. We'll leave that for the moment. 467 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Let's go to we're talking about pacing and, you know, we're 468 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,200 talking about Hayden had it blew up. 469 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:20,040 We're talking can Alex do this? So this week I thought AI 470 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600 training now we talk a lot about coaches. 471 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,360 Yep. So I've pumped into, I just 472 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,840 talked about me wanting to get my 5K down and you know, I'm 473 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,000 running a little bit better at the moment. 474 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,280 So I pumped into chat GTP just to see how good the old AI would 475 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280 go of training. And I said an 8 week training 476 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320 plan to get me to run a 16 minute park run. 477 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,320 It's not so good. That's the word really. 478 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,200 Yeah. So pretty much, I mean, not 479 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,840 everyone's going to understand this at at that pace, but it 480 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:55,520 does suggest that eight weeks is ambitious but achievable for an 481 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,800 experienced runner with a solid fitness base. 482 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,480 So I'd consider myself that. It's designed for someone who 483 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,240 can already run at 5K around 18 to 19. 484 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,000 So I can definitely do that at the moment. 485 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,640 This is where the catch comes in, because I reckon there's a 486 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,480 lot of people sitting there going, well, not a lot, but 487 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,600 there'll be people sitting there go I can run an 18 to 19, I can 488 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,680 get to 16 with AI in eight weeks. 489 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,600 I can tell you right now, no. So AI is wrong in this case. 490 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,880 So pretty much it goes into it is working down a 16 minute 5K 491 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,360 is going to take you 312 per kilometre. 492 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,800 That's what pace you're going to have to run it. 493 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920 It reckons you need to do speed work, tempo runs, long runs and 494 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,240 recovery, which is right. So it's pulled a good weekly 495 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 structure. But this is where it gets 496 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,640 interesting because it tells me I'm only going to have to run 5 497 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,720 days of running and two days of rest will CrossFit. 498 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,480 So it thinks I can run a 16 minute 5K off five runs. 499 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,880 And OK and you sorry you don't think you can achieve that? 500 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,360 I think with my background, if I when did the cross training I'd 501 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,680 do on those other two days was like long bike rides, it 502 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,040 probably I would be able to maybe manage that. 503 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,640 But for the average person who's just a runner and doesn't have 504 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,600 20 years of background in professional triathlon, no way. 505 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600 No way. Not unless you're very, very 506 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,400 talented or yeah, very, very talented. 5, you know, five runs 507 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,600 only to go from an 18 or 19 minute 5K to get to a 16 in 508 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,280 eight weeks. It's kid in itself. 509 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Look, I won't spend too much time on this, but I thought it 510 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,760 was just a good, a good indication, you know, because 511 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,120 there's a lot of people out there who are going. 512 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,600 I can just, you know, we've talked about it, get proper 513 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520 help, but I can just go to the Internet and it will tell me 514 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,640 what to do. This is AI telling you what to 515 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,320 do, but I'll guarantee you a lot of the online coaches out there 516 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320 who don't have the expertise are probably pumping the same crap 517 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,480 out. This is when you pop this in the 518 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,160 run sheet for the week. My brain lit up because this is 519 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,800 so interesting. And you just talked about trying 520 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,440 to get, you know, down to a 16 minute 5K, which for me is 521 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,040 unfathomable. But I jumped on ChatGPT and we 522 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,720 have early on in the in the pod talked about the idea of run 523 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,560 school. And has your coach been to a run 524 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,960 school and and got the qualifications to be teaching 525 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,760 your programme? What run club or run coach would 526 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,400 you go to? Would it be based on 527 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,480 recommendations, qualifications or the rest of these? 528 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,360 This sort of, and I've told you often I find I'll jump online 529 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,600 and go, oh, you know, give me a run session to run this. 530 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,320 And X&YI jumped onto ChatGPT and said build me a an 8 week 531 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,320 programme to run a sub 40 minute 10K. 532 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,880 Yeah, right. And. 533 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Are you happy with the results? Well, I was until you just said 534 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,840 what you said, because I look at the programme, it's pumped out 535 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,440 and it kind of looks pretty similar to the stuff that I've 536 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600 been looking at previously. Yeah, I mean. 537 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,920 It does look similar, but there's a few things in here 538 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,240 like. A good example is. 539 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,920 Let me have a look. I also I also pumped in give me 540 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,200 a 12 week plan to run a sub three hour marathon. 541 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960 I think that one's a dangerous one of AOI. 542 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,040 OK, just going on what I'm seeing from a what it pumps out 543 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960 for wanting to do a 5K. So where it got interesting to 544 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,600 me is it's just obviously it's pulling a lot of information 545 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,880 from a lot of different sources to try and, or, or maybe it's 546 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,720 just copying something that is seen on the web and you don't 547 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,320 know where that expertise has come from. 548 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560 But where it talks about like starting to do race pace 549 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,640 simulations on a Saturday to aim for a 17 or faster in week 6. 550 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,040 But then it's time to me on a Tuesday, we want you to do 84 551 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,840 hundreds at that 312 pace with 92nd dress. 552 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,320 Well, you're going to have to do your 400 reps quicker than your 553 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,520 5K pace, OK, with a 92nd rest to be able to achieve a 16 minutes. 554 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520 I can tell you that right now, if you're running only being 555 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,960 able to run a free 12400, yeah, with that much rest, you ain't 556 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,440 gonna be running 16 minutes. So it it kinda. 557 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,160 And then even to the point of the beginning, it's saying a 558 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,880 long run should only be the first long run. 559 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,240 It says in week 110 to 12 K at an easy pace. 560 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,680 Yeah. You know, I just don't think 561 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,040 many people are gonna be able to do that type of volume and get 562 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,760 out. And run a 16 it it says to do 563 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800 your long runs for this three hour sub three hour plan. 564 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480 It says to do your long runs on Saturdays too, which I'm not, 565 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,080 but the I we're we're talking about specific examples that we 566 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,880 punch into it. And I can guarantee you most 567 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,520 people living who are listening right now will after they finish 568 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,320 listening, finish their run, probably jump on ChatGPT if they 569 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,240 haven't already done it before and start playing around with a 570 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880 time or a distance goal that they've got in mind for their 571 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,040 running. But I'm curious because we know 572 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:14,040 what, I don't want to call it rubbish, but we know what sort 573 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,600 of some ill informed programmes are that are out there and that 574 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680 are being pushed out there onto first time runners or beginner 575 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,840 runners as professional programmes or you know, properly 576 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,920 researched and prepared tailored programmes for people to run 577 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,760 with. I had not thought that some of 578 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,000 these people might have just been using AI to write these 579 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,560 programmes. I think a lot of people are are 580 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,080 utilising not well, AI is one one thing, but I also think 581 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640 they're just utilising just online. 582 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,520 Now looking at this and knowing some of the programmes that I've 583 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,440 looked at, I've got no doubt there are people out there who 584 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,760 are pushing who, who, who run run clubs or run other things, 585 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,160 who are pushing some of this onto their participants 586 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680 community. And then they've just, they've 587 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,040 ripped it straight off Chachi BT. 588 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,000 Just have it. Yeah. 589 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,960 I mean everyone just just think about it like common sense often 590 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,640 often prevails. But Chachi BT has removed the 591 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,960 need for common sense calling. Now AI has. 592 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,840 We don't need common sense anymore when we have this thing. 593 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,760 That's true. And and, and, and it's cheap, 594 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,680 it's free, it's free. So I'm not saying I'm not saying 595 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,760 it's wrong, but what I did notice I was scared. 596 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,000 I was scurrying like for today's episode. 597 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,440 I was scurrying through Instagram last night trying to 598 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,800 find some interesting weird things or whatever for us to 599 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,240 have a chat about. And it, it just reinforced to me 600 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:51,160 again, just seeing random reel. So not people I follow, but some 601 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,000 of the run advice and the P and the and the person offering that 602 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,680 run advice by even just like, yeah, but we talked last week 603 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,200 about don't take looks by, you know, that that means they can't 604 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320 run. But look, some of the people 605 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,680 offering it and I'm saying you're offering proper run 606 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,040 advice there. I can guarantee you you can't do 607 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,960 what you're saying. Like I can guarantee you cannot 608 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,520 do what you're saying. So sometimes I think it'd nearly 609 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,640 be like nice to go. You gave that advice, you know, 610 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,760 where did that experience come from? 611 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,800 Why don't you go and prove it yourself first? 612 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,400 That's an expertise. This all comes back to this and 613 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,000 it's a part of, it's a, it's a side effect of where running is 614 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440 at right now. It's this, it's this world in 615 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,000 which there's experiences to be had, there's money to be made, 616 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,880 there's opportunities to be seized upon. 617 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,040 And as a result, we're seeing all these, you know, podcasts, 618 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520 we're seeing influences, we're seeing programmes, we're seeing 619 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,240 clubs, all these things pop up. And the side effect is that some 620 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,320 of these things might be dangerous. 621 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840 But I don't like giving. That's the reason I don't like 622 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,680 giving advice. You know, I've said this to you 623 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080 before. To others I'll say what works 624 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,800 for me, but there's no guarantee that's going to work for you 625 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,680 because different background, different talent, different all 626 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,880 different genetics, all those different things. 627 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,160 You really need to work with someone and understand them and 628 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,440 get to know them and do all that before you can start giving 629 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360 advice. But like I said, there's always 630 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,600 a place to start the 5K. Like we reiterate the 5K apps 5K 631 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,560 run, 5K run. Like yeah, a few of the 5K 632 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,920 runner apps are great to start and and yeah, reach out to 633 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,240 people that have kind of experienced. 634 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,360 It it's exactly to to give advice on not giving advice. 635 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640 It's exactly the same thing you talk about when you say, when we 636 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040 talk about shoes, go and try them. 637 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Go and try. Don't commit, go all in on a 12 638 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320 week programme for a club that you've just signed up to. 639 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,720 Don't jump in on what ChatGPT is telling you for an 8 week 640 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,440 programme. Just try some stuff. 641 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,000 Try some stuff. Try some stuff. 642 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360 The best way to It's the best way to enjoy your writing to get 643 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,680 more out of it. So it was a bit of. 644 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,680 AI like it, I like it's. Good. 645 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,160 It was good. It was good to see because I'd 646 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,600 never really looked at it in that way. 647 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,040 Now off the back of that though, so we're talking about times in 648 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,200 16 minutes and you were, like you said, oh, I'd dream of 16 649 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,480 minutes, but I think I can, you know, I'm in that 19. 650 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,800 Yeah, 19 is about me. OK, so people are listening to 651 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,640 our Clyde style chatter. Oh. 652 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,440 Yes. So having the heavy category in 653 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,200 marathons. Yep, this is something that 654 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,920 exists at the news of triathlon. There's the Clydesdales and the 655 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680 Athena category. It's for people who are over 100 656 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000 KG. And we have. 657 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,440 We are the Champions of the idea of embracing this category for 658 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040 marathon running. Not as a negative. 659 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120 We talked about this. It is a celebration of what you 660 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,760 are doing at your size. Correct. 661 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,800 So off the back of those discussions, one of my good 662 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,880 friends, so Brett Carter, he, he actually helped when I was doing 663 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320 an Olympic campaign. He was one of my swim coaches. 664 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,520 He was a good triathlete in his day, a hard worker like just. 665 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,800 They. They called him the bulldog 666 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120 because he was just like great and went on to win some, you 667 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,320 know, some iron Man's and and amazing stuff. 668 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,800 A psychologist now and then when I ran into the other day, he 669 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,320 started telling me he's like looking at chemistry and 670 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,880 physics, like went over my head chemistry and physics and a few 671 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,239 other things like he's just one of those guys. 672 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,719 He's just going to study for the rest of me. 673 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,199 He's a curious guy, but a smart guy and and knows his sport. 674 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,800 Now he came to me this week and bear with me on this, he's come 675 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,199 up with an idea in this Clydesdale category. 676 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,639 But it can work across everyone and it's talking about measuring 677 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:45,360 your run ability with watts. So you know when you've got a 678 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,960 power metre on a bike, you can also measure your watch running 679 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,520 and your watts are affected by. So your watts are definite. 680 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960 So how much watts you're putting out, but depending on your 681 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:04,040 weight right then, and let me get this right, I'm going to go 682 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,640 to, I'm just going to this is my science for the week that I 683 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640 don't understand, but I'm going to read instead. 684 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,360 So he's come up with an interesting idea regarding 685 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,880 discussions on the Clyde cell. I've been calculating the 686 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,400 average what's for a 5K for two athletes. 687 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,600 Athlete 1 weighs 72 KG. That's me. 688 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,600 Whip it. And runs a 5K in 17 minutes. 689 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:30,440 Athlete 2 weighs 65 KG and runs a 5K in 1630. 690 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,680 OK, we've got that. So 65 he runs at 30 seconds 691 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560 quicker. It works out that Athlete one 692 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,240 has to produce 3.46 watts per kilometre to do that time, and 693 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,000 Athlete 2 has to produce only 3.22 watts per kilometre to 694 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,280 produce his 1630. Therefore, Athlete One's 695 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,400 performance could be considered actually better because he's 696 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,320 producing more watts. I get it. 697 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,000 It's good old physics, but we can do some comparisons to this. 698 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,800 Now this is opens up a wormhole because literally you're going 699 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,800 to get guys who are a bit heavier saying I have, let's put 700 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,680 it into layman's terms as you like it. 701 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,680 I'm heavier. I'm actually a better runner 702 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,400 than you because of my weight, because I can run a 17 and at 703 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,640 your weight you can run a 1630. But I'm actually running more 704 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,840 effectively. I'm producing more. 705 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,800 What's? What is the point? 706 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,400 What's the purpose of that research? 707 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400 Because. Well I guess the there is no 708 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400 point because the lighter guy is going to win regardless. 709 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,320 So the point is you need to lose weight. 710 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,280 This is this is how this that sort of research. 711 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,280 But it's going to give people an. 712 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Excuse, right, that sort of research is how we arrive at 713 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,000 participation medals Courtney that is how we turn up and we 714 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,640 arrive at at everybody gets a ribbon because look based on 715 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,280 this metric, you're the best No, based on this metric you're the 716 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360 best this so. It's of it's so interesting, 717 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,000 Liam, because. A race is a race, and whoever 718 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,200 crosses the line first wins you. You know my position, my 719 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,240 competition, and I've just presented the anti competition. 720 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360 I've given you the excuse, but we were going to do this later, 721 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,360 but I'm going to jump to it now. Listen to this because this is 722 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,960 Gary Vee and some people might know him from the Internet. 723 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,400 But you want to know my thoughts, this encapsulates 724 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,120 encapsulates it. I knew what you meant right now 725 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,440 buying and I'll show you a winner and every parent that 726 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,840 goes up to that kid and says it doesn't matter, it's just a game 727 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,520 should be punched in the face. Competition is one of the best 728 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,000 things on earth and we have gotten really bad on the left 729 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,440 side of things in understanding it and it's people up because if 730 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,320 you're successful in those 12 years in sucking out competition 731 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,080 of an A6 year old that you have them in your roof, you've put 732 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,000 indifference on a pedestal. And So what you've done is 733 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,160 you've taken someone who was destined to do and you, we've 734 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,640 actually put a kid into a place of thinking things don't matter. 735 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,000 And when you don't think anything matters and you don't 736 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,920 think anything's worth anything, you go down a very dangerous Rd. 737 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,840 Competition is one of the great traits in society and we must at 738 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,440 all costs stop demonising it. What do you reckon, Liam? 739 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,600 I like some of it, I don't like other parts. 740 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,160 Of it, I knew this one would tickle you a bit a bit wrong I. 741 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480 Like some of it, I don't like other parts of it. 742 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,120 I agree with him that I think competition is really important. 743 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:42,040 I think that I was a really competitive kid and I loved 744 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,240 competition. Me and my mates, we could turn 745 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,120 anything into a competition, right? 746 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,240 And now as a middle aged bloke, I'm still competitive about 747 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,080 things, but I think it's balanced. 748 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,240 It's AI have a healthy balance of it, right. 749 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:05,600 I would also what he's saying there about it being demonised 750 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,320 amongst children. I I think you've got to be. 751 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,680 That's a bit aggressive. I think you've got to be really 752 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,160 careful with, you know, basically you can't tell anybody 753 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,280 how to raise their kids. The only people I'll tell, the 754 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,960 only children I'm concerned about moulding are my own 755 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,880 children, right? And my, my wife and I, we are 756 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,120 doing that in our own way. And this idea that you a blanket 757 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:39,560 rule of, I do think some kids need to be incurred or shown 758 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,360 that it's not life or death if they lose something at a young 759 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,160 age. There's so many more important 760 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,360 things within, particularly sport the kids can learn, not 761 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,920 just winning and losing. Yes, developing a competitive 762 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520 edge might be important to them and you can help hone that and 763 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,120 the right time and the right place. 764 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,680 You can show them the importance of striving to win. 765 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,440 But there's the lessons of kids. Sport are so much more important 766 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,600 around learning to. Play with others learning to be 767 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,320 a team player learning to learning to be a team player, 768 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,160 learning to share learning to you know how to lose, I think is 769 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,560 a really important skill to learn and and the idea that. 770 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,760 Well, that's what he's hitting on. 771 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,800 It's about learning to lose. Then there's it's about 772 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,440 participation medals here. That was the context of of it. 773 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,400 So you said it's important for your kids, like you want to 774 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,960 mould your kids, but what happens in a world where your 775 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,320 kids, you're not controlling everything your kids get that 776 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120 comes on to your kids. So you're in a posi, you're in a 777 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,720 in a place where your kids are, you know, achieve something that 778 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,600 they should be proud of. But then the 20 other kids who 779 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,000 did didn't do that get the same outcome. 780 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,840 You're not in control of that, right? 781 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,440 And I think this is where he was. 782 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,480 I mean, he was did it in an aggressive way. 783 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,680 And there's a reason I use that. I use that for a discussion and 784 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,200 I do think there's a balance. However, I also do think that in 785 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,960 life, eventually in life, life's a competition. 786 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,280 You, you win or lose, you get a you, you walk into a workplace, 787 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600 No one gives you a like a participation job. 788 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,000 No. Well. 789 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,640 Everybody listening to this has just thought of someone in their 790 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,080 office or their workplace. Guarantee, no matter where you 791 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,400 are, you've heard that phrase and somebody, there's a you can 792 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,120 picture them in your mind right now has jumped into your brain. 793 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,920 I've always loved the phrase. And again, the thing about the 794 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:58,200 Internet is that short and sweet wins If you can wrap something 795 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,800 up, it's marketing, it's sales. If you can wrap something up 796 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,080 into a nice bow and put a tagline on it, it's what sticks 797 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960 it doesn't it? There's but there's nuance to it 798 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,240 and there's context and there's perspective and all these things 799 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:12,920 you need to take into consideration. 800 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,800 I've always loved the phrase you win or you learn. 801 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,680 That's a good one. You win or you learn so. 802 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,840 But you also win or you lose. Yeah, you do. 803 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,160 They go hand in hand. They do go hand in hand, but to 804 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:32,640 take that all or nothingness away from that situation, right, 805 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040 For most people out there, most people, the majority, the very 806 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,680 nature of competition means most people will lose. 807 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,720 The majority of people will lose well. 808 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920 Generally, only one person wins. Because even if it's in the team 809 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,200 sport, it's a 5050, right? But for anything that's not a 810 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040 team sport, races, running races, swimming races, anything 811 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,920 like that, the majority of people will lose. 812 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,840 And if you make it win or lose, it's it's a fundamentally it's a 813 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,760 negative conclusion. Whereas if you go with the win 814 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,200 or learn, the idea is that, well, every time I lose, I'm 815 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,520 learning something I'm I'm learning about why I didn't win 816 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,720 which. The best winners do right, 817 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,960 because you fail over and over and over until you get it right. 818 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,600 We talked about Hayden. Yeah, I mean that that's the 819 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,320 perfect example of he's not winning. 820 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,240 And I bet you he's like, I actually saw a photo of him on 821 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,920 the podium and someone had made a meme of it because he's 822 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,000 literally just like dummy, dummy spitting, like a kid who at 823 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000 school is lost and dummy spitting. 824 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,360 But he'll learn from that and move on. 825 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,840 And then he will be that will mould himself. 826 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,800 You know what, mate, we, we, we agree, we always agree. 827 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,800 We come from very different spots on this. 828 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,760 And I, you, you haven't whacked the competitiveness out of me 829 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,640 completely yet at that elite level. 830 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960 But that did resonate. I mean, it was aggressive, but 831 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,960 it did resonate with me because it was like, yes, in the end it 832 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,840 doesn't matter whether you're in sport or whatever. 833 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,440 Like you have to learn that. You have to learn to be able to 834 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,720 accept at some point there will be a winner and you're going to 835 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,320 lose out sometimes. That's probably where I'm going 836 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,720 with it. And if you're resilient enough, 837 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,320 you take that on the chin and then move on. 838 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,880 And to take it back to the kid conversation, which we started 839 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,480 with, which that audio alluded to, if if kids are, if kids are 840 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:34,240 taught the whole way through that even if you don't win, 841 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,440 you'll still be looked at like it's that. 842 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,240 No, no, no. The realities of life are what 843 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,160 they are and kids need to understand that I just don't 844 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,400 think they need to understand that when they're six right. 845 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,640 That's all I'm saying to Gary's point, I don't think we need a 846 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,920 beta kids over the the head with the harsh realities of life. 847 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,360 Let them find it out in due course. 848 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,800 The. Important thing is like when you 849 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,320 actually let's just we'll get off that. 850 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160 It was a good it was a good conversation, though, right? 851 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,720 What I do if you want to move on with the kids and, and the idea, 852 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,000 like one thing I'm learning I suppose with my kids as well is 853 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,120 that I probably didn't do a lot of team sports and that drove me 854 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,720 to be in an individualised way. Such a selfish human being. 855 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,840 That's why I'm such a good no. That's why I'm such a grumpy 856 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,680 pressure here when I'm not running well. 857 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,400 You are a remarkably well adjusted solo athlete. 858 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,240 Thank you. No, I mean that because, you 859 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,080 know, often. Well, I lost a lot, Liam. 860 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,200 You learnt a lot I. Learnt a lot because I lost a 861 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,840 lot. But with the kids, what I'm 862 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,120 saying is I think the importance of not just, I mean, and I did 863 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,240 this like playing all sports and working out what you love versus 864 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,920 what your parents love is a big thing. 865 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,480 So like kids being able to experience everything and then, 866 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,880 you know, whether it's they find something they're talented at to 867 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,960 do and love, or whether they just love being part of teams or 868 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,960 whether they love endure endurance sports, whether they 869 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,280 love adrenaline sports, all that, Yeah, they've got to find 870 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,280 it out for themselves. So variety as a kid is something 871 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,280 I'm a big, big believer. Generalisation, not 872 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,760 specialisation. And then when they find what 873 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,520 they're passionate about, back them into it. 874 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,920 We'll let. You can trademark that one, 875 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,320 right? Oh, I think that has been 876 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,360 stolen. OK, well, let's let's let's move 877 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,480 on a little bit about. Can I start? 878 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,760 Can I throw something out at you? 879 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,360 Yep, because I literally found this as I was walking in your 880 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360 gate today and I laughed. All right. 881 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,880 Have you got that little bit of audio there? 882 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840 I do so this is the 100 mile. One, this is the crazy running 883 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,640 man. Here we are at the 10 of just 884 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,440 start around 8500 K in the last 100 days, but the job is it done 885 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,920 yet? The goal was always 10,000 K's, 886 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080 so I wanna wait away to finish it off with another challenge. 887 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,800 How are you gonna do it? I'm gonna be tempting to break 888 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,880 the Kidney school record the fastest 1000 miles by mail, 889 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,440 which is currently held by Garner's Curious. 890 00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,160 Now, this is this is a young man by the name of Jack Hanley who I 891 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,320 had never heard of before. And the algorithm has served. 892 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,320 The algorithm has served him up to me. 893 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,880 His name's Jack Hanley, and he's currently attempting to run 894 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,640 10,000 kilometres. And what he has started today on 895 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,720 the day of recording, he is attempting to break the world 896 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,800 record of the fastest 1000 miles. 897 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,080 Now, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because it what? 898 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,800 It's what Ned. Ned Brockman attempted what, a 899 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,560 month ago? A month ago in Sydney? 900 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,040 And yet here we are, a month on from Ned's unsuccessful attempt, 901 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,720 and someone else is trying to break this record. 902 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,440 He's also copied Ned's hairstyle. 903 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,960 He's got a very similar haircut to Ned and again, he's raising 904 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,120 money for charity. And look, shout out to Jack and 905 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,480 I wish you all the best. He's going to run this thing 906 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,880 around the 10. He's going to attempt to break 907 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080 the record. It is a hell of a lot of 908 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,720 running. I don't think he does it. 909 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,680 Courtney. Are we being respectful enough 910 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,040 to world records? This is look, I'm I don't. 911 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,720 The reason this record exists is because it was such an 912 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,040 incredibly hard thing to do. And I don't know a lot about 913 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,640 what was it, the Yanis, Yanis. Yanis. 914 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,720 Yeah, but he was a basically a professional runner, wasn't he? 915 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,440 Look, I'm, no, we're not giving enough credit to this guy. 916 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,320 I, I'm, it's not my area of expertise, right? 917 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,960 This old like ultra ultra multi day running and that type of 918 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160 thing. But I listen to The Who I see as 919 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,600 experts in this space who have proven themselves to be the best 920 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,000 in this space. And they simply just say these 921 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000 guys are all kidding themselves. Like sorry. 922 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,480 And that rubs people up the wrong way. 923 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,720 They are kidding themselves. And what they're doing is 924 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:49,040 they're leveraging this idea of we can break a world record to 925 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920 make money and they're making money for good reasons. 926 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,920 So don't get me wrong there, but they're leveraging something for 927 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,280 the wrong reasons. They, they've got no business 928 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,480 even talking about this guy's world record. 929 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,440 And that's me listening to the expertise in guys who really do 930 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,320 know they're rare. So let's put it into 931 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,240 perspective. I want to put it into your 932 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,520 perspective in golfing terms. Just just quickly I have just 933 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,720 pulled up Yanis course, his Wikipedia page. 934 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,120 The sheer amount of gold medals in like worldwide races that 935 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,400 this man has. This is he was the Kelly Slater 936 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,920 of ultra running, right? And now you've got guys who 937 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,400 aren't even professional runners saying we're going to break. 938 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,440 I'm going to break the word record. 939 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,640 I just talked about Kelly Slater. 940 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,000 It's like, it's like, it's like yourself picking up a surfboard 941 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,200 and then you're. Going to go win pipe. 942 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,000 In two years time, you you're doing all right down at the 943 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000 alley and suddenly you're saying you're going to win pipe. 944 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,360 I'm not joking. This is the kind of difference 945 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,920 we're looking at in golfing terms. 946 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,240 I'll put it into perspective. I heard it nicely the other day 947 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:56,640 put I'm a 15 handicap and I'm just talking about going and 948 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,280 winning the Masters next week. This is what's happening. 949 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,600 So great. Good on anyone going out there 950 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680 and doing things you know for the right for, for, for good 951 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,920 causes. Not, not, definitely not having 952 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920 a go there. But please stop. 953 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,640 Please stop trying to pull this idea that you're in any shape or 954 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,840 form a runner of that standard. Of that standard these guys 955 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,200 clearly a runner and if he's achieving it if he's running 956 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,800 10,000 clicks it like that's incredible and if he's setting 957 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,200 out to to run the 1000 miles pulled on him around the tan 958 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,200 that heel of the tan will become real nasty I reckon look it's 959 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,320 two days in but it's. Disrespectful to runners Who 960 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,120 That is their profession. Yeah, it's to the everyday 961 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,800 person out there who's just seeing this on news.com dot AU. 962 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,440 They're like wow, like amazing. Cuz they don't, they don't know 963 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,520 it's not their if you don't have the information, but what it is 964 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,320 doing, I'll say. So let's put it in context. 965 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,720 It's being disrespectful to professionals in this space, and 966 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,480 let's leave it at that. I like it very nicely summed up, 967 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,080 Courtney. Good luck to Jack Handley, by 968 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,120 the way. OK, let's. 969 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,480 Get into some more fun stuff. Yeah, I reckon so. 970 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,400 The WTF the what the fuck segment? 971 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:13,880 We're gonna have to put another one. 972 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,200 On OK. So first one out of the gate, I 973 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,560 think you might, I'm not sure you may have sent this one to 974 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,560 me, but we've got this is coming from the gaming world. 975 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,840 We've got Simon Says hands down. Simon Says hands down. 976 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,560 Run and place, run and place. Simon Says run. 977 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,200 Simon Says stop, hands up. Simon Says hands up. 978 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,080 Weave it around, wave it around. Simon Says wave. 979 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,360 Simon Says stop. Weave it around, wave it around. 980 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,080 Simon Says wave. Simon Says run. 981 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,080 Summon to stop, hands down. But. 982 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,360 So I love this. We've got we've got grown 983 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,280 adults. Yeah, in a stadium it is. 984 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,720 Let me check. Here it is. 985 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:52,080 Lud Ludwig, stream again. Ludwig. 986 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,680 So I'm assuming he's probably got a zillion million followers 987 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,960 and they're playing live, Simon Says. 988 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,160 This is This is your mob too. This is a Red Bull event. 989 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,000 This is well, it's certainly a Red Bull. 990 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,120 It's Red Bull. It's a Red Bull athlete. 991 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,680 I know. I do know Grace. 992 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,760 But this? Is girl in this is? 993 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,440 I I love this now. I complained about kettlebell 994 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,480 juggling last week. I'm right here for Simon Says. 995 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,720 I'm I'm, I'm signing me out. You're in. 996 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,480 I'm in. So with the Australian version, 997 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,160 we just you're, you're in. Fact. 998 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,920 And I'm only I'm only half joking. 999 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,480 This is something I want to do on the radio next year. 1000 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,160 I. Think we're going to? 1001 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,280 Shouldn't mention it yet because we know Lutzi listens. 1002 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,640 Oh yeah. Hey, Lutzi. 1003 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,000 No, leave it for all these people. 1004 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,120 Although in the beginning podcast community out there, and 1005 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,920 I'm looking down the barrel of the camera as I say this. 1006 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,280 This is a verbally binding copyright that this is. 1007 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,360 I will be allowed to do this on my radio show, not shit next, 1008 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,520 not next year. And if it pops up on Nova, Lutzi 1009 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,240 is the bind. Yeah, so I. 1010 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,160 I love the idea. You can imagine on the beach of 1011 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,880 the down at Burley or somewhere Simon. 1012 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,920 Says championships, Simon Says. Oh, I love it. 1013 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,480 OK, so that's a tick. That's green lit. 1014 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,520 OK, all right, second one now you loved our marathoner last 1015 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,920 week. So this one this week is there 1016 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,880 was a half marathoner. It's only 1/2 marathoner and 1017 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,480 this came his name was runner JMD at that's his Instagram 1018 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,360 handle. He ran 1/2 marathon juggling 1019 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,160 last week it was baking this week we're juggling. 1020 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,880 Where's this stock? This one I don't like as much as 1021 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,240 the baking. OK, because he's running quite 1022 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,200 fast I think. I think the thing about the 1023 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,080 baking last week was that right? You are going to try and jog 1024 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,760 whilst baking a cake. It's so insane but I can't wait 1025 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,200 to see you try and do it. What's this guy at? 1026 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,920 What time's this guy end up running for 1/2 marathon? 1027 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,040 Well, you can go and have a look. 1028 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,960 Once I've just brought up 11749 that's. 1029 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,160 Impressive. That's really impressive. 117 is 1030 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,280 impressive running. Do you know what's more 1031 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,720 impressive? What if he ran a 68 without 1032 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,560 juggling? Again, this guy can clearly run. 1033 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:13,720 Just run. You're not going to, Yeah, 1034 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:14,920 you're not going to sell me on these. 1035 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,240 I'm out. I'm out on that one. 1036 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:17,840 What? What do you reckon this thinking 1037 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,920 of that? What do you reckon would what? 1038 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,400 This is obviously evolving. Can you think of something that 1039 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,840 is the most idiotic thing someone is going to do in a 1040 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,200 marathon while they're running? Oh, I'm the spot, Liam. 1041 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,760 The most idiotic thing? Oh, this is a great game 1042 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,880 actually. Right. 1043 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,160 If anyone else has got some good ones, we'll share them next 1044 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,120 week. But what is the most, what's the 1045 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,480 dumbest thing someone's going to do running a marathon? 1046 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,440 My mind's jumping to like or a half marathon. 1047 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,960 You know what? Let's In the Beginning podcast 1048 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,360 slide into our DMS. What do you think is the most 1049 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,680 insane thing we're going to see somebody attempt to do whilst 1050 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,320 running a marathon or a half marathon? 1051 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,160 Do you know what? 'D be more impressive than him 1052 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,720 juggling juggling swords. Well, juggling kettle bells. 1053 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,560 Juggling all right on to the next one now this one this one's 1054 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,000 not so much off off. I did see this on like I forgot 1055 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,400 where I saw it on Instagram, but it's Strava mule. 1056 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,120 Have you heard of this? No, no. 1057 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,760 So when we're talking mule, it's kind of more like the, you know, 1058 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,560 the drug mule, the drug mule. There's this thing about that's 1059 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,000 been out there about people paying someone to run the 1060 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,560 marathon with their phone so that they can get the kudos on 1061 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:47,080 Strava of running quicker. People are paying other runners 1062 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,720 to run with their phone in a marathon so that they can claim 1063 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:56,520 they've run win that race quicker. 1064 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,360 I have. I reckon I've got a couple of 1065 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,560 mates that would do this, yeah, but also they're not the sort of 1066 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,200 mates. Just to rub you up the wrong way 1067 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,360 so they could say they can do 248 or something. 1068 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,240 Here's the the mates of mine that would do this are the mates 1069 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,600 who if suddenly a marathon or a half marathon popped up on this 1070 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,720 driver, I'd assume their phone had been stolen. 1071 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,280 Like I'm like, what do you mean you've never run more than 5 1072 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,680 kilometres in your life? They're doing this as a joke. 1073 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,120 Yes. If anybody's doing this and if 1074 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,400 any legitimate runner. I'm not putting it past people. 1075 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,960 What do? You mean you don't have that 1076 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,080 little faith in the world do? You I do what there's there's 1077 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,640 some seriously, I mean I only hear this through just listening 1078 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,520 to runners to chat and all of that. 1079 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,880 But the stuff that goes on even just around Strava crowns and 1080 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,040 people rides bikes yes. So this is a more legit way of 1081 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,520 upping that ante give you a phone to someone in the marathon 1082 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,720 and run. But you know, the amount of 1083 00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,600 stuff that goes on with the, the bikes and the the running and I 1084 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,200 own this crown and I'm the quickest up here, I mean. 1085 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,800 This drive of crowns are a funny 1 isn't it? 1086 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,880 Because there's an Instagram account which is the guy who's 1087 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,320 like, I think it's called stealing crowns and basically 1088 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,320 literally flies around the world trying to steal starve Strava 1089 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,320 crowns by just basically sprinting the segments and and 1090 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,720 getting getting the crowns. How much would I have to pay you 1091 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,160 to run with my phone either in a marathon next year? 1092 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,080 Well, these Strava mule ideas. Just I charge per gramme and I 1093 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,680 charge heavily. So depends. 1094 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,800 Depends. Depends how many jobs you're 1095 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,600 doing next year, Liam. Depends how many MC gigs. 1096 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040 You got I don't. I do like the idea that because 1097 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,640 this is brought to my mind, there's for those that never 1098 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,720 watch the TV show Suits the main character in it would take the 1099 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,120 law exam for people and get them the score that they wanted for 1100 00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:58,920 money. It's the same. 1101 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,800 Thing so this I like the idea that you Courtney, could become 1102 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,200 a gun for hire next year. Literally could be the Strava 1103 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,400 mule. Strava mule and just run them 1104 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,200 but. They could be more lucrative 1105 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,840 than I ever had in my actual racing career when I was losing 1106 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,960 them and the. Key for any potential customers 1107 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,800 out there is that if you're a 25 minute 5K park runner, don't get 1108 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,120 Courtney to run a 16 minute right. 1109 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,080 You just want that 22 minute or that 21 minute just. 1110 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520 Incremental. Just it needs to be believable 1111 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,880 and that's how you don't get caught. 1112 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,200 And I imagine the drug mules out there are probably thinking the 1113 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,600 same thing. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 1114 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,360 All right. Yeah. 1115 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,800 What? Do you want to move on to? 1116 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,120 Let's do more audio you've. Got some more audio? 1117 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,160 I've got. So this one, this one would. 1118 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,160 This is gonna just create another discussion. 1119 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600 And this is actually in the nightclub space of all things. 1120 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,080 So we're gonna really pivot here. 1121 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,080 This audio is actually Simon Beard, who is Culture King's 1122 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,720 founder. Went to TSS, went to my school. 1123 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,280 Yeah. Not at my time. 1124 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,760 He's a bit younger, so didn't know him. 1125 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,160 Can't claim that one. But he is a runner. 1126 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,160 Is he? Yeah, so Braden spent shared 1127 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,880 this with us, he ran the said. That Braden. 1128 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,320 So Simon ran the New York Marathon. 1129 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,640 Oh nice. And after he finished, he's 1130 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,760 literally said, I mean, he booked in for a massage and what 1131 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,840 he got was the evolution of the nightclub without alcohol. 1132 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,040 So have a listen to this and and see what he says. 1133 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,840 No nightclubs are trending down. This is what I believe they're 1134 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,920 getting replaced with. I just ran the New York City 1135 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,640 Marathon on the weekend and I booked a massage straight after 1136 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,280 it at this place called Bathhouse. 1137 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,920 Now as soon as I walked down these LED dark nightclub 1138 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,440 lighting stairs and saw the game changing aesthetic inside 1139 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,600 Afrobeats, electronic music playing, super futuristic metal 1140 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760 displays, I knew this was the future. 1141 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,840 Created such a cool vibe and it was packed down there. 1142 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040 Hundreds of people between the different salt spas, the cold 1143 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,240 plunges, the massive 50 person sauna. 1144 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,680 Plus they even had this other furnace style sauna which was 1145 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,560 amazing but one of its smartest moves. 1146 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,680 No phones allowed. I think this is going to 1147 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,400 continue as one of the biggest trends is phone free activities. 1148 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,480 So much of cold plain sauna running for example has taken 1149 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,440 off in the last few years. I believe it because it 1150 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,920 distracts us from the constant dopamine overload of us getting 1151 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400 hooked on our phone. But the really unique part about 1152 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,680 this place is it felt nothing like a day spot. 1153 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,880 It was way more higher energy and you saw people come in big 1154 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,000 groups, mates catching up or girlfriend. 1155 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,280 And talking and that's why I was like, this is so much better 1156 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,760 than just catching up at the pub and playing pokies. 1157 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,120 Now I feel the big gap in the market is if you can create this 1158 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,880 nightclub style hype to one of these bath houses and remember 1159 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,440 perceive type is hype and feel it full of people that really 1160 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,680 create this network, fix energy, vibe, environment that creates 1161 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,680 this place to be the same as a club or a bar, you could grab so 1162 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,720 much of the market. Lots to unpack there. 1163 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680 Lots. To unpack there felt a little 1164 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,960 bit like I did with the Gary Vee audio Greed with some of it. 1165 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,160 Hated other parts of it. Jeez, you're the Grinch today. 1166 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:08,000 No, no, no, I think I loved what he was saying about the 1167 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,640 replacement of nightclubs and the the discussion around it's a 1168 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,920 bit like the Nike run that I went for the other week. 1169 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,200 It's that that is the new, that could be the new pre drink. 1170 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,360 That could be how people start their weekends with one of these 1171 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,800 high octane, high energy nightclubby vibe run sessions. 1172 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:31,320 I think there is globally we are seeing that people value the 1173 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,600 benefits from exercise and being outdoors with their mates more 1174 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,800 than what they have previously. I agree with him there. 1175 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:45,720 I don't know if the phone free part of it rings true I think. 1176 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,280 For the nightclub part or the running part? 1177 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,840 Because he said the reason running he believes running is 1178 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,560 so popular is that with the dopamine they're getting from 1179 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,760 the running, that's getting them away from the phone. 1180 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,680 Yeah, but fundamentally, most people these days run with their 1181 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,960 phones and they run with their, like most people around there, 1182 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,240 that's true. And they document everything 1183 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,560 they do on their runs with their phones. 1184 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,920 I, I think that's, that's an overestimation. 1185 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,280 I think there's a, a minority of people who run and do that, OK. 1186 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,800 And they're the noisy few, OK. But I think generally you'll 1187 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280 find that if you went down and watched the Esplanade every 1188 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,880 morning here on the Gold Coast, if you go down to the beach and 1189 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,320 watch the Esplanade, I'm talking like 8 out of 10. 1190 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,560 Nine out of 10 aren't that runner. 1191 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,640 They're actually out there running for the right reasons. 1192 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,600 What we hear about and what we're showing in this show is 1193 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,600 these social media clips and all of that. 1194 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,360 And then is, is that noisy few you hear from because they're 1195 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,760 showing what they do. You don't see the rest of them. 1196 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,880 So I actually agree with the fact it's getting away from your 1197 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,720 phone and if you carry your phone for safety or you're 1198 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,560 listening to music even all that's fine. 1199 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,560 But it's it's a talking about getting off your phone and 1200 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,040 literally scrolling or getting off your phone and talking and 1201 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,160 all that stuff. Do you think, do you agree with 1202 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,840 what he had to say about the not sure the recovery spa space 1203 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,520 being a communal thing? I'm not on mass, no. 1204 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,480 No. But I meant he's a smart dude. 1205 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,960 He just he just I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say like I think 1206 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,600 you know, he's an entrepreneur and a very good entrepreneur. 1207 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,960 So I think if he's identified an area he can and even talked 1208 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,640 about their like perceptions. Perception is perception, 1209 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,560 perceived type, perceived type is height. 1210 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,760 Sorry, yeah, yeah, but it's the perception of the hype that 1211 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,000 you'll see It doesn't have to necessarily be the hype. 1212 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,800 I think you could create definitely AI mean this is 1213 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,120 happening around the coast at the moment, Gold Coast at the 1214 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,320 moment, and I'm sure it's happening in Sydney as well with 1215 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,640 these style of these new style of recovery areas. 1216 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,480 And there, you know, you've got your hot, you've got your sauna, 1217 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,040 you've got your hot bath, you've got your cover bath, you've got 1218 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,480 your, you know. PB3 is another one. 1219 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,320 I mean, realistically, P3 that's this is just an evolution of 1220 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,920 that and putting it into a space that's a little bit more for 1221 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,400 better word hyped up where younger got like younger crew 1222 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,360 could go there and and be like feel like it's the next stage of 1223 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,680 that. But to be honest, like all these 1224 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,720 bath houses that are showing up like this. 1225 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,120 But when like I went down there and actually went to one at one 1226 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,840 stage just to check it out and I looked around. 1227 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,560 It's not athletes using them. No, it's just people hanging out 1228 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,600 and half of them taking photos. Yeah, interesting. 1229 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,520 I reckon we might have to reach out to Mr Simon Beard and we see 1230 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,720 if we can't get him on because if he is a runner, I'd love to 1231 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,800 talk to him about, you know, how he became it, how it fitted in 1232 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,320 with, you know, obviously Culture Kings is enormous. 1233 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,280 He's out of it now, but I'd be be be a fascinating conversation 1234 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,960 to talk to him about how running, you know. 1235 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,640 But I do like the one thing of all of that I did love is the 1236 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,200 fact that, yes, some people run with their phone and I do it 1237 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,440 too. At certain times. 1238 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,440 They either listen to a podcast or whatever it is. 1239 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,840 But you're not on your. You're not on your phone in that 1240 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,440 way where you're literally just sitting on the couch and 1241 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,560 scrolling and lost in a world of just watching, you know, 1242 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,040 arguably crap or getting for younger crew getting caught up 1243 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,800 in that world of like, you know, trying to chase. 1244 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,720 Whatever. Yeah, like trying to make well. 1245 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720 Likes or like, well, this is the real world because half of the 1246 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,360 stuff we know isn't real on there. 1247 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,320 If you're out running, you're taking in, you know, whether 1248 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,840 it's urban or a nature, you're taking in all that other 1249 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,240 stimulus and the actual and and even eventually you're running 1250 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,160 and you'd have this too. Like you can be listening to 1251 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,640 music. You can often be listening to a 1252 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,400 podcast and you'll find halfway you're actually it's just 1253 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,200 background noise you're. Not really listening. 1254 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,840 Your mind gets off in other cases. 1255 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,400 So I do 100% agree with him that that is the reason. 1256 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,360 That is one of the largest reasons why people are running. 1257 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,200 Perfect note to finish on Prado. There it is in the beginning. 1258 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,040 Again, if you've got feedback, if you've got questions, if 1259 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,080 you've got anything, any responses to today, if you're 1260 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,160 using an AI training programme, we'd love to hear about it, but 1261 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,360 make sure you're siding into the DMS in the beginning Podcast on 1262 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,640 Instagram. And we love it when you join in. 1263 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,040 And of course, make sure that you are subscribing, sharing it 1264 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,400 with your friends, liking, commenting. 1265 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,440 It helps us grow it. And Merry Christmas. 1266 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,080 And Merry Christmas, is this our last one before Christmas? 1267 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,920 This is it. This will come. 1268 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,600 Out. Oh, Merry Christmas. 1269 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,000 Yeah, enjoy the holiday picture of the holidays. 1270 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,400 Eat, drink, be merry.