1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 In the Beginning podcast, Courtney Atkinson, it's not 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,480 about you and me. Today we are joined in studio by 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,360 the World Triathlon Champion Matt Hauser. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,640 How are you? G'day Liam. 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,480 Good day Courtney. Good. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Good to be here mate. Obviously still buzzing in on a 7 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,560 high from from the weekend that was. 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,440 So yeah, we'll be living it up for a while. 9 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Thank you for making time. Have you done what? 10 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,080 I mean I just thought you'd be on sunrise every morning. 11 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,200 What's been going on? What's your phone been doing? 12 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,040 Actually, what is the best DM you've had this week? 13 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,360 Who's it from? Well, I mean, I've had I mean 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,320 the I would say social wise, like I did get a follow back 15 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,280 from the two time Brownlow medallist Lucky Neil. 16 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,080 So I'll really I'll, I'll, I'll call that as as one of. 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,720 The Aren't you a Suns? Fan Oh, come on now. 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,280 Like they they invited me down, but I'll always be a Brizzy 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,840 Lions boy. But they I do love the boys up 20 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,560 at the Gold Coast. They've they've been legends to 21 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,640 me and I know a few of them now, so yeah. 22 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Well, I just got you've got took Miller, he's coming to Noosa, so 23 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,720 he got him interested in triathlon, he's coming to race, 24 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,680 he said. I think, I think his mum has 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,280 done Iron Man's, yeah, Iron Man's and marathons before. 26 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,840 So he's it's well on the on the bloodline. 27 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,720 So what's the week been like that it's world champion from 28 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,720 juniors, Junior World champion, now senior world champion. 29 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,840 You're ticking them all off. The only thing left is the 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Olympic gold. But what's this week been like? 31 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,120 Well, I think you were the last Junior World champion before I 32 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,760 was in, in 2017. That was. 33 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,000 Were you really? That is, yeah, 1999 was it. 34 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:28,160 Is that when you won it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 9999. 35 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,360 And when and when did you win it? 36 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,680 7/17. 2017. 17 So yeah, 18 years on. 37 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,640 So my, my first Sorry. We're gonna we want, we want 38 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,920 that. Yeah, we don't want to tell our 39 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,960 stories. But my first interaction pretty 40 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,280 much because we cross, we didn't really race each other, but we 41 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 crossed over. But I remember triathlon 42 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Australia got me to. Tore you for mining? 43 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 It was a youth Olympic Games in 2014. 44 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Yeah. So can I just say what a 45 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,040 pleasure it is to have someone who can actually remember things 46 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,520 on this podcast? Once I asked Courtney questions 47 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,240 about his. His own career I. 48 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,000 Cannot remember a thing so keep going. 49 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,360 So you he mentored you. Yeah. 50 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,200 So I think we met. We had one. 51 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,320 And then you, yeah, unfortunately, you broke your 52 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:06,920 heart. Crash. 53 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,639 Yeah, I broke my collarbone I think like literally six weeks 54 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,480 before the games in in Nanjing, China. 55 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,920 So yeah, I came off the big high of, of getting selected in this 56 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:17,960 Youth Olympic team in 2014 and 1516 year old. 57 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,040 And I'm getting told that Courtney's got my number and 58 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,800 he's going to call me and give me a Rev up for for the Youth 59 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Olympic Games. And yeah, we, I think we had one 60 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,200 conversation and the rest of it was like commiseration. 61 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Too hard you. Repped him too. 62 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Hard. Yeah. 63 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,160 And I broke my collarbone, so yeah. 64 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,280 OK, so this is like you are now. This is week 1 of Matt Hauser, 65 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,360 World Champion. I mean, lucky Neil, follow backs 66 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,880 aside, how are you feeling? Like, you know, is it, is it the 67 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,800 thing of you still same old Matt? 68 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,080 Is it what's, what's the overall aside from, you know, training 69 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,240 and everything else? What's the feeling like being 70 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,320 personally and emotionally around all this for you? 71 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,160 I think, yeah, obviously same old Matt and I've got to keep my 72 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,360 feet on the ground as as my girlfriend would say she's, 73 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,360 she's making sure I'm not getting too big of a head, which 74 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,960 is good shout out to her. But I think, you know, triathlon 75 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 is great as it is, as it is, it is a it's a small bubble and it 76 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,840 is it's a growing community, but it still is a small bubbling 77 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,720 and, you know, in terms we're not, we're not out there saving 78 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,280 lives. So, you know, it is nice to call 79 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,200 myself a world champion, but at the end of the day, it is 80 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,520 triathlon. But it it was just so great on 81 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,720 the weekend to see these giant crowds and just everyone get 82 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,840 around the sport that, you know, we all love. 83 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,040 I guess I've been loving it and doing it for for 12 plus years 84 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,840 now. So I think just to have that 85 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,080 kind of recognition of the sport in my home country, where it 86 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,440 probably hasn't got the recognition in the last, you 87 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,400 know, 10-15 years after those, the golden eras of the mall, 88 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Stewart's and the Greg Bennetts and the Courtney Atkinson's. 89 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,320 So, you know, I think it's, yeah, it's a really good time 90 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 for the sport for sure. And I'm just lucky enough to be 91 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,160 at the top of it. Well, I mean luck is I wouldn't 92 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,960 use the word luck. Like it's not like you you went 93 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,480 and bought a scratchy the service station. 94 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,120 You've changed your ring off for the last 12 years to achieve 95 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,280 this. So you can. 96 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,400 There's always luck involved in sport chore. 97 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,240 But you've worked for this so much. 98 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,600 We want to get to with you. I need to get to this off the 99 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,720 top. What is that celebration? 100 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Yeah, your coach would have helped your. 101 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,320 Coach. We asked. 102 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Up to Matt. Dixon, we asked Dan on 103 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,040 Wednesday's episode and he said the shotgun or whatever it is, 104 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,800 you asked Matt about that. What is it? 105 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,840 So LeBron James, yes, did it a while back with the Cleveland 106 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:26,080 Cavaliers and I think it was just like a after a dagger 3 107 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,120 that he hit. I can't remember what team it 108 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,200 was against, but I, I remember seeing clips of this all around 109 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,280 social media and I love him. He's he's my go to bar school. 110 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:37,040 Yeah, just for his consistency and he's just longevity. 111 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,840 He's just amazing. If I could be anywhere near 112 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,080 that, that kind of level for triathlon, that would be that 113 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,280 would be a dream. But yeah, he did the gun silly 114 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,880 and it was like cocked it and then loaded it back in the in 115 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,160 the holster. So I thought that was pretty 116 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,400 cool. So I tried to try to, you know, 117 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,240 give a bit of a sprinkle into that and triathlon. 118 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,280 But the first time I did it was at the Mooloolaba Triathlon this 119 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,960 this year and I rolled my ankle as I was doing as I was putting 120 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,120 it back in the holster. So I look like an absolute goof. 121 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,400 So thankfully no, no rolled ankles are on the weekend and I 122 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,080 was able to put it back in the holster safely. 123 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 So did you practise it? No, no, no, I've done it three 124 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,800 times and they've all been finished line performing at one 125 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,800 in Hamburg, at the World Series race in Hamburg this year, one 126 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,400 in Malabar rolled ankle and then one of the World Championships. 127 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,280 So I only do it when I've got enough time. 128 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,120 Time to do it 'cause the rest of the year's been a lot of Sprint 129 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,320 finishes and some close tight finishes, alright. 130 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,600 Well, we'll make sure we'll tag the king in the in this real so 131 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160 he sees that the celebration's made its way down the. 132 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Yeah, I think you're under selling triathlon a little bit 133 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,960 at the moment. You were it like your everything 134 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,240 to do with the all race was everywhere over socials. 135 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,560 It must be like you're blowing up. 136 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,760 What is it? I suppose when you're running 137 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,240 down that finished shoot at the end. 138 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Explain the emotion going through into that celebration 139 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,560 because the crowds were huge. You got obviously the age group 140 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,240 is racing. You know, the the days before 141 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,120 you've got this huge crowd home. I mean, that's the that's the 142 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 unique part of this. It's not just a world 143 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,720 championship, it's a home world championship. 144 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Not many people. And it's, well, I'm just trying 145 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,160 to think of anyone in Australia, maybe in Perth. 146 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,160 Chris McCormack, possibly Peter Robinson. 147 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,040 Peter Robinson, Yeah, yeah, he won in Perth. 148 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Yeah, he won in Perth and then Emma Moffett won in 2009 at the 149 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Gold Coast. Again, what a treat this has 150 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,720 got. What a treat to not only have a 151 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,880 world champion, but someone who can remember things. 152 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,040 Yeah. So what is going just take us 153 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,440 through actually start from the beginning, right? 154 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Let's start at the beginning, in the beginning. 155 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:35,480 In the beginning, your swim start like nothing we're seeing. 156 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,680 And I'm, I'm talking about like all of the great swimmers are 157 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,280 seen in travel and that was probably the best. 158 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,360 It's gone viral. That is the viral moment from 159 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,560 this race, your swim start. Yeah, I think, I think it was 160 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,680 just like, I was just like a coiled spring just ready to go 161 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,880 and I knew that the start was going to be important. 162 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,800 It was only 180 metres for the first boy. 163 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,280 I think I had Miguel Hidalgo, who was second in the series, 164 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:58,640 like right next to me. And he was like asked me a few 165 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960 questions about, oh, do we need to go around this siding boy or 166 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,640 what, which, which side do we need to stick on? 167 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,120 And I was kind of just like, yeah, whatever. 168 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,160 OK. Just like literally I'd, I had 169 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,280 the blinkers on and I was just like ready to pounce, like ready 170 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,920 to attack the swim. I knew that the water depths was 171 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,680 like, you know, quite shallow today, quite like very quickly. 172 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,160 So there's no need to dolphin dive at all. 173 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,400 And I just, yeah, pick my spot in the warm up and, and dive in 174 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 and couple dolphin, dolphin kicks and, and straight into my 175 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,880 stroke. And I didn't know at the time, 176 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,160 but apparently I had through the first half a lap, 10 or 20 177 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,400 metres lead on the rest of the field. 178 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,440 So it was definitely an adrenaline hit. 179 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,520 And then by the time I was halfway through the stream, it 180 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,560 kind of caught up to me and I had to settle into my rhythm. 181 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,560 But yeah, it was certainly a moment. 182 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,720 That was yeah, looking back on it really looks special. 183 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,360 But at at the moment I was just like, OK, just get into 184 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,680 business, get get into your rhythm. 185 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,720 I actually had the new time Impala song Dracula stuck on my 186 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,000 head during the first bit of the swim. 187 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,160 So I was kind of just like getting to the rhythm, like like 188 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 listening to that over and over in my head, which is our, yeah, 189 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:58,880 which is. Pretty. 190 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Did I stay with you through the whole race? 191 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Because I did have a question. When you're in the run, did a 192 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,680 song come to mind? Or if you were running to the 193 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,280 finish, what was the song? No, no, no songs. 194 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,600 I think the the crowd, the crowd cheers were, were the only thing 195 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,960 in my head ringing through on that day for sure. 196 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,760 That swim start, just go back because there's so much of the 197 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,360 race we do want to cover. And not that that feels like 198 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 something that coaches will be showing they're athletes. 199 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Like that is a literal example where they had now have video 200 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,640 footage of coaches being able to show athletes this is how you 201 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,440 start a race in triathlon now. And what you just gave us then 202 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 that insight about knowledge of water depth because I've already 203 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,760 seen that many reels talking about look how he doesn't waste 204 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,840 energy with dolphin dive. No one aware of the water depth 205 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,400 obviously from a race tactic perspective. 206 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,720 I also love what you just said then about your nearest rival 207 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,320 being on the start line with you. 208 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,080 Are you normally that like antisocial on the start line of 209 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,760 races? Is that the way you approach it? 210 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,440 I wouldn't say antisocial. I think I'm just like, yeah, as 211 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,440 I said, locked in like no peripherals. 212 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,600 I made a point to be like put have a keywords is put the 213 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,520 blinkers on like a racehorse and and not worry about any of my 214 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,320 competitors. Because those two guys, Vasco 215 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,360 Velasco and Miguel Hidalgo, they've been like up my arse the 216 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,160 whole series. So they've been pushing me the 217 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,840 whole way. I actually had a conversation 218 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,920 with Vasco after the race about the swim start and he said they 219 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,560 spoke to each other before the race, 10 minutes before and said 220 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,760 like, OK, like Matt's going to get out quick. 221 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,400 We know that like you, you start just off his hip and then get 222 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 onto his feet. And then I, I won't like, fight 223 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,200 you, I'll get straight onto your feet. 224 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,400 And then they said they looked up like 10 metres later and I 225 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,440 was gone. Already gone. 226 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Hey, there's a lot of people at the moment following the podcast 227 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,200 leading up to Noosa. Can you give us an insight and 228 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,800 give them an insight in just how quick you can swim that first 229 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,680 hundred? Are you allowed to let that one 230 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,320 out of the bag? I, I, I would not have a clue 231 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,000 honestly, because rarely do we swim in wet suits and training 232 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,600 to be like I've been doing a bit of practise with Phil Clayton 233 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,080 out of Berlin, which has been good in the wet suit, but. 234 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840 What do you reckon? Guess you swim 100 in because 235 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,560 like. With the wet suits, salt water, 236 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,200 maybe mid, mid to low 50s. I don't know if the first bit 237 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,520 I'm not, I'm not too sure that's that's in the chop that's. 238 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,560 In the chop part, yeah, yeah, yeah. 239 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,000 Yeah, mate, I'd say mid, I'd say mid 50s, yeah. 240 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,520 It's. Quick, that's terrifying, I 241 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,920 mean. Anyone's gone to the pool and 242 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,800 tried to swim a hard 50 and tried to break 30, then that 243 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,840 puts it into perspective. So, but The thing is, it gets 244 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,960 easier from there, right? Like you're, you're into 245 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,080 Clearwater, everyone else is fighting like, like manic around 246 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,560 those boys and you see 40 or 50 guys like clumped up around 247 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,600 those boys. And the the boy, because it was 248 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,280 in an M shape, we weren't able to go out past the harbour, 249 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,720 harbour walls because, you know, the, the wind chop was too much. 250 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,360 There was a massive northerly coming through. 251 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,080 So yeah, there was too much chop for us to go out. 252 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,720 So they made it into an M shaped course, which made the swim 253 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,640 course a lot more compact and condensed. 254 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,200 So it's always important to get out, get out fast, and then the 255 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,440 swim kind of gets easier from there. 256 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,240 And so you've got Dracula going through your head for that 257 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,280 entire swim. It sounds a bit gimmicky, but 258 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,280 it's a good. Song, it's a good song, but I 259 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,840 mean we've, we've, I mean athletes talk about all the time 260 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,520 and now all sports how music is motivation. 261 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,840 They use it for whatever they need. 262 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,840 But when you get out of that swim, having completed the swim, 263 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,640 executing it to perfection, We've heard about your striving 264 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,240 and chasing for this perfect race. 265 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Where are you at when you exit the swim? 266 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,040 Where like where mentally, do you remember what you're 267 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,080 thinking, where you're at? Is that just right? 268 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,360 Checkbox one. Now we go into transition. 269 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,440 What? Where were you at when you 270 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,680 exited the swim in the race? Yeah, definitely. 271 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:40,560 I think composure is a good, is a good way of looking at it, 272 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,320 like you really need to be composed because what you do in 273 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,680 the next, you know, 30 seconds to a minute through transition 274 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,280 can really make or break your race, especially if you're just 275 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,520 off the back of a pack or you're trying to catch up to a group 276 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760 ahead of you. It's those moments where you 277 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,360 really do need to be calm under pressure. 278 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,760 So I, I like to kind of speak to myself like 100 to 200 metres 279 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,600 out from getting out of the water and just be like, OK, go 280 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,280 through the process of I'm hopping out of the water. 281 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,800 I'm, I'm feeling the depth of the water. 282 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,640 And as soon as my hand touch the touches the sand, I'm up and, 283 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,960 and trying to keep my keep my legs out, keep my keep my arm 284 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,440 hips up and and then running through in my head, like, OK, 285 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,520 I'll run to transition, take the wet suit off phone sleepover, 286 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,720 which I did that wasn't in the plan helmet on. 287 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,240 And then and then straight away. And it's like, it's, it's almost 288 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,880 like when you get to these points of the transition phases 289 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,560 and the triathlon, you need to kind of remind yourself the next 290 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:33,520 steps ahead. So you can't just be like, I'm 291 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,320 swimming. Oh, oh shit, I'm up and running 292 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,960 like I'm writing now, like it's, it needs to be a thought out 293 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,360 process. And I feel like I can get 294 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,840 through those moments a lot better when I prepare myself 295 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,280 mentally for it. That's so cool. 296 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,680 It's it's like I can see just hearing you even just talk about 297 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,520 that. Then I can see that, you know, 298 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,640 you talk about lucky to be the world champion. 299 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,720 You're not the detail that you're talking about that mental 300 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,640 process of thinking 100 metres out about as soon as you what 301 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,080 you're going to do when your hand hits the bottom. 302 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,120 The as as I said, the the commentary around your race and 303 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,680 your career to a point is this striving for a perfect race and 304 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,280 the commentary again, I gave it a shout out the other episode, 305 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,720 but I think Will McCoy did an amazing job of calling your 306 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,920 finish because I think the commentators there is a level of 307 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,600 responsibility to match the moment. 308 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,960 I thought he did that really well. 309 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,560 Was there any fault aside from the slip over in transition? 310 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,960 Was there anything, was there any fault in your race that you 311 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,280 found personally like it? Was that a perfect race? 312 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,080 Well, yeah, as I said, I don't really believe in a perfect race 313 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,440 and that's why the chase of it is so unique and special about 314 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,800 triathlon. You really do need a master, you 315 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,640 know, 4 legs including transition. 316 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,440 So but I think it think it it went as well as it could have 317 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,440 gone to be honest, like with perfect start in the swim got 318 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,080 out first got a little gap of like, you know, and with a six 319 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,240 or seven guy breakaway. I literally said to my 320 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 girlfriend Georgia before the race, I was like 6 or 7 people 321 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,040 would be perfect for this course. 322 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,680 Perfect amount of people on the bike to be able to work and work 323 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,120 with synergy. The second pack, you know, grew 324 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,480 impatient and then and then they stopped working together and 325 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,720 there was a few like attacks off the front that didn't quite work 326 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,000 out and they couldn't bridge it. And then it the gap like 327 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,440 sprawled out to a minute. And then I knew in my previous 328 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,480 few races that I had some hamstring tightness going to 329 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,320 that 10K run off the back of a hard bike in Calvary, which was 330 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,440 the last World Series race, I did have some hamstring cramps. 331 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,680 So I knew that that could be a factor late in the race. 332 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,760 So I wanted to, to kind of conserve in that first few K of 333 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,960 the run, you know, which I managed to do. 334 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,840 I, I changed my shoes because the A6 metre speed edges are 335 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,720 really like really soft and bouncy, But I find that the sky 336 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,800 is just like make you push up on your, on your toes a little bit. 337 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040 So I had to kind of, you know, not sit back on my mid to to 338 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,920 back foot because I knew that would expose my hamstrings, 339 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 especially down like, you know, the downhill section of the run 340 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,880 course. So that that minute coming off 341 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,760 the bike really did allow me to to be a little bit more tactical 342 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,080 on the run. And as soon as I saw Dan, you 343 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,560 know, with a few laps to go, he said the gap was down from 50 344 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,320 seconds to about 35 seconds. I knew I had to kind of, you 345 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,600 know, kick it up to to another gear and try and get the gap out 346 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,760 again. And thankfully it went out. 347 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Are you making those shoe decisions? 348 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Is that less you by feel or if you got, is that the wider team 349 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,600 also contributing to that? By feel, yeah, yeah. 350 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,000 Because I mean, you do a lot of prep sessions and you do, you 351 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,120 know, a lot of black run sessions and you kind of always 352 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,600 like in the last few weeks leading up to race, you're 353 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,240 always over analysing how you're feeling. 354 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,360 You're like, oh, jeez, my legs pulled up a little bit sore 355 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,800 today. Or like, oh, I didn't quite hold 356 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,520 the power that I wanted to or everything's over analysed. 357 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,320 And especially in the leaks in the weeks leading up, especially 358 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,800 when nerves and pressure comes into it. 359 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,600 So, but yeah, we like, credit to Danny. 360 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,560 He prepared us as best as possible. 361 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,920 Like I remember the two weeks leading into the race, we have a 362 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Commonwealth Games circuit which is around like Crumben Truman, 363 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,080 through Eleonora up Connection Road or down Connection Road and 364 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,240 then kind of looped around that. It's about a 13K13K loop. 365 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,440 So we did that three times to to emulate the 40K bike course. 366 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Really punched hills. Aim was to kind of tempo with 367 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,560 the group and then punch up the hills like a Zone 4 race pace 368 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,760 practise to emulate the course in Wollongong because it was 369 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,000 quite undulating and I remember in back to back to week weeks I 370 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,840 held 360 watts for that hour which was my best best ever 371 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,840 power in back to back brick session. 372 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,800 Over the in duration of the 40. Duration of the 40K and in in 373 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,640 the race on the weekend, I averaged 355. 374 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,760 So it was like bang on what we prepared for and yeah, down to a 375 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,000 tee and and obviously emulated the course challenges really 376 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,520 well. Those numbers are huge, by the 377 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,120 way. I mean, I'm a big boy foreign, 378 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:51,840 definitely. Yeah. 379 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Yeah, I'm. An 80K boy so I'm like. 380 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,680 A typical trial. They're foreign numbers to me 381 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,640 when it comes to Watts. Oh, really? 382 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Yeah. There's even to you. 383 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,800 Big numbers. Yeah. 384 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,440 So that again, that we're gonna stay with the race for a moment 385 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,400 because we've just talked us through it beautifully and it 386 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,839 sounds like is a close to perfection as you could find 387 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,119 making all those tweaks and those little decisions in the 388 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,079 lead up and then the race plays out. 389 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,599 If you could have drawn it up, it couldn't have been any 390 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:20,280 better. Do you remember crossing the 391 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,720 line? Yes, I do, I, I, I remember them 392 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,600 for the most part. I remember the last like 20 to 393 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,360 30 metres the most because that's where I really like 394 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,920 switched off and, and was able to celebrate and, and the 395 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,120 pressure was off. And it was almost like that 396 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,600 release of pressure was so overwhelming that like I broke 397 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,160 down crying at the end. I hugged my girlfriend, like her 398 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,040 parents, my parents, my, my old coach, Brian Harrington up from 399 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,120 they all drove, drove down from Harvey Bay to, to come and 400 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,680 support me and, you know, a host of other friends and family that 401 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,000 came down from the Gold Coast as well. 402 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,960 And I embraced him and then kind of walked off to the side a bit 403 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,520 and kind of just like looked back at the crowd and, and 404 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,840 everyone's so hyped and so animated to, to watch this event 405 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,440 and to watch this triathlon go down. 406 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,320 And I just had this moment where I was like how good this like 407 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,560 this is, this is bigger than me. Like I'm, I'm so happy that I 408 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,000 could stand on top of the dice on this like historic day for 409 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,120 triathlon in Australia. But it's, it's, it's much more 410 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,880 bigger than me. It's, it's the seeing the 411 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,040 emotions on, you know, my support crews faces, the QAS 412 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:30,800 guys, Tim Rigby, Josh Mayer, you know, Alyssa, my dietitian, like 413 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,600 to seeing those guys like embracing and hugging and, and 414 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,680 shedding a tear after the race. It's like this is much more 415 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,280 bigger than just my world championship. 416 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,800 It's, it's everyone's journey together. 417 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,840 And I, I really do feel like that was what made Sunday so 418 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,240 special, was that like, it means a lot more for the triathlon 419 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,080 community in Australia moving forward. 420 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,560 And I hope we can continue to cultivate this success moving 421 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,200 forward. That team, that team you talk 422 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,480 about, how's that evolved over the years? 423 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 And is it like even since the last Olympics, how has that 424 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,600 changed and what you are now? Was it the same for the last 425 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Olympics or that teams got stronger? 426 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,200 Because I mean, we spoke about this the other day with Dan, 427 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,840 like they just all seem to have so much respect, but yourself as 428 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,720 an athlete, but for each other as well and what their jobs are 429 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,560 day to day. What's that look like? 430 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,200 For sure. I mean the, the teams have 431 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,840 changed like over the years I mean I've, I've been on the Gold 432 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Coast for like 9 years, almost 10 years now working with so 433 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,920 many staff members through the QAS, through US triathlon, a lot 434 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,320 of moving pieces yeah, but probably this core team has been 435 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,640 constant for about the last year or so. 436 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,200 So it's been, yeah, it's been a little journey, but it's been a 437 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,080 really meaningful one because they're like their energy and 438 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,840 just like the way, you know, they support me and just love 439 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:51,320 the process of just like the day in, day out, like Katie Kelly 440 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,240 puts it. Well, Well, I apparently I said 441 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,680 this to Katie Kelly a while ago, our Paralympic gold medalist 442 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,320 from, from Rio, She said one day I rocked up to a training 443 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,440 session when we were there on the Gold Coast, you know, a few 444 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,520 years back. And I just said. 445 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,880 Feel the dream skating feel the dreams have exists like this is 446 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,360 a Field of Dreams. This is where dreams are are 447 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,320 made and cultivated and happened. 448 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,480 So I think just that feel the dreams mindset that that they 449 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,040 are, that the daily processes are just as special as the end 450 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,720 result. Do you ever feel the weight 451 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,520 like, and this is probably a question a bit for you is 452 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,720 calling from over your years. But Matt, at the moment, you 453 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,560 just mentioned that whole team, coach, nutritionist, physio, the 454 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Qas, everybody. But do you ever feel the weight 455 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,400 of responsibility in that? To some extent, these people's 456 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,080 jobs, livelihoods depend on you, the athlete performing. 457 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,960 They all have roles and responsibilities to play. 458 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,280 It's a team effort. But at the end of the day, if 459 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,240 you're not switched on with the music in your head on that start 460 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,920 line, or if you slip over in transition and hurt yourself, 461 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,960 you know, theoretically their jobs are at risk. 462 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,960 Their careers are at risk if they can't get you their product 463 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,960 to that perfect point to compete on that race day in wooling. 464 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,720 Do you ever feel that responsibility? 465 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,160 Yeah, I do. But it's, it's coming from a, a 466 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,240 place of inspiration. I think like those guys inspire 467 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,880 me to, to be better and I, I remind myself on the daily that 468 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,080 I'm doing it for, for much more than just myself, you know, for 469 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,720 my partner, Georgia, who's been with me for, for five years now 470 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,160 and just having a support, my family support, like I'm doing 471 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,920 it for, for more than just myself and my, my accolades. 472 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,080 So yeah, it is, it is, I guess I do feel the weight of it, but I, 473 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,720 I managed to, to push in a, in a positive light, I think for 474 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,280 sure. And I, and I've made that like 475 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,120 my mission over the next few years to try and like carry the 476 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,040 weight of Oz triathlon a little bit. 477 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,120 And I really want to take that upon myself because guys, you 478 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,720 know, previously like Courtney and, and Jake and like Jake Burt 479 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,160 whistle, who did it for so many years, you know, I think I'm 480 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,720 really inspired by those guys. And just for me to be able to 481 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,880 carry the torch moving forward is, is pretty special. 482 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,280 And it, and it comes from a, a privileged position. 483 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,080 So I'm, I'm really, really grateful because. 484 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,200 Unlike like team sports Locky, who you mentioned, I mean, Locky 485 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,080 has a bad calf, misses the prelim final, his teammates pull 486 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,680 their weight and get Brisbane line into a grand final and 487 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Locky comes in and performs like he did. 488 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,960 Now Locky's reputation is unquestionable, but he's able to 489 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,200 essentially miss a game, two games, some games throughout the 490 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,000 season and rely on teammates. You can't afford to miss a meet, 491 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,680 a world championship, a race because it is you. 492 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,920 It's an individual effort, this sport. 493 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,640 And so that's what makes it truly unique, and that's why I 494 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,680 ask about that weight of expectation. 495 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm in awe of those guys. 496 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,120 Like they certainly they do have a good life. 497 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,560 The Aussie footballers like don't get me wrong, they get 498 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,000 paid a shit tonne to and hang out with them. 499 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,160 They Mace and go to Bali and and Las Vegas every year. 500 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,520 But it is, it's pretty cool. Like the amount of weight they 501 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,720 have on their shoulders, like they've got 100,000 people, you 502 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,840 know, cheering for the OR cheering and against them, you 503 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,760 know, on the day. And just to be able to stand up 504 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,520 under pressure. Like I'm, I'm inspired by 505 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,600 performances like that on the grand final day, just having all 506 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,880 that weight and pressure and knowing that like, yeah, OK, you 507 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840 do get to share the pressure and expectation with 2324 other 508 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,600 guys, but your one slip up could cost the rest of their glory 509 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,360 and, and the rest of the team success. 510 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,800 So I think there is so many like finite details about that, that 511 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,440 that makes it much more, much more than just yeah, yeah, 512 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,720 exactly. Right, the footy players have 513 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,680 got a pretty good life, mate. You as a triathlete living here 514 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,200 on the Gold Coast, that's your full time job. 515 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,040 I can tell you now, because I'm on the other side of it, what 516 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,160 I'd give to be back exactly what you're doing right now at the 517 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,440 level you're doing it too, of course. 518 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,200 But give us give the people who are listening what? 519 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,920 What's a few days look like in your life here at the Gold 520 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,600 Coast? Like beautiful place to train, 521 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520 beautiful place to be, like run us through bit of training for 522 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,800 us. Yeah, it is. 523 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,200 It is beautiful. I think growing up in a in a 524 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,840 place like Harvey Bay, always being next to the beach, I think 525 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,440 the Gold Coast is really special to me. 526 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,400 Felt like a bit of a big city type of situation coming from 527 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Harvey Bay. But lucky enough I had Dan and 528 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,800 and the friendly culture that he kind of brings to the team and 529 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,200 having so many mates here as well really makes it special. 530 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,200 I think it's just got such a good life balance. 531 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,680 I think life sport balance is, is really important. 532 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,920 And just having the ability just to go down to Croman Beach in 533 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,720 the morning and walk the dog and, and go for like a really 534 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,040 nice cup of coffee and breaky or whatnot and then then hit 535 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,040 training straight afterwards. I think those are the really, 536 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,440 yeah, the really key things that I kind of attribute my longevity 537 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,840 in the sport to. Like I couldn't be like a 538 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,680 Christian Bloomfeld living in the mountains for for 9-10 539 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,680 months of the year, like just training my ass off being a 540 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,240 robot. Like that's just not who I am 541 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,320 and not who I was raised to be. So I feel like the, the off 542 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,960 field stuff, no really does complement the on field stuff 543 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,080 because because when the off field stuff is going really well 544 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000 and it's really fluid, I can push a lot more in training. 545 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 It's a lot easier. Things are more, things come 546 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,640 more naturally. So, but, but yeah, on the Gold 547 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,800 Coast, I think we swim about 5 * a week, four in the pool and one 548 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,920 open mortar, usually riding four times a week with a brick 549 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,520 session in there. So probably about 300 and 23130 550 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,120 KSA week average across a year. And then other runs, I found 551 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,240 that sweet spot for me is about 80 KA week and running. 552 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,880 Yeah, so a little bit over that. I'm kind of struggling to pull 553 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480 up from sessions and can't get that second session in during 554 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760 the week. But yeah, I guess you just got 555 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,960 to find your sweet spot for sure. 556 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,560 And then obviously gym sessions. 22 by 1 hour gym sessions a week 557 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,440 with with Tim Rigby. How did you get into triathlon? 558 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080 Because you mentioned you've already referenced your body 559 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,120 type. You're not your classic, you're 560 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,080 a big like you talk about. I can hear the love of other 561 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,160 sports coming through you. Your body shape. 562 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,640 You could have played almost just about anything. 563 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,280 You've been a great size for a a key mid these days in on the 564 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760 footy field or basketball go. On with this lean no I'm. 565 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Just curious the. Next thing he's going to say is 566 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,440 put on 12 kilos and you can get in the the Clydesdale category. 567 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,800 How? Did you get into this sport? 568 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,720 So basically like I was a runner back in the day, like cross 569 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,080 country athletics really had a passion for that. 570 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,120 Which we have here as well on the podcast by the way. 571 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,840 We want to revitalise cross country, running, running. 572 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,400 Podcasts and we we do love it. Yeah, it is the best of the 573 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800 three sports. I must have been like, I just 574 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840 find when I'm running well, it doesn't matter whether I'm 575 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840 swimming or biking like shit or terribly, if I'm running well, 576 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320 it's, it's, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good feeling. 577 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,320 So you're so you're a gun cross country runner? 578 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,160 Yeah. Where did you run, Where's Cross 579 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560 when you're up at Harvey Bay? Because for those Harvey Bay, 580 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760 you're inland from Fraser Island. 581 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Did you ever run, Did you ever get to run on Fraser as I did? 582 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,920 A couple of times, but you know, not really meant to run like 583 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,360 there Cos of the dingoes, right? Like, I got a project. 584 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Like we were literally doing a project and parks were likely. 585 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,520 You're not going to work for Queensland ever again if you run 586 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,880 on. Yeah, they're pretty serious 587 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,120 about it, right? Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, yeah, 588 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,480 Frazer's such a great place. I actually feel bad that I 589 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000 didn't take more advantage of it when I was growing up there in 590 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,160 Hubby Bay, where I've only been over four or five times. 591 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,880 So having a playground like that so close is something I 592 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,440 definitely took for granted. But yeah, like Gympie, we we did 593 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,120 a lot of cross country there. Bundaberg, Maryborough. 594 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,440 Yeah, just all over the shop. Do you consider yourself a like 595 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,000 growing up as a central QLD kid? Central QLD is a bit of a 596 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320 stretch, yeah. Like when it's when it's like 4 597 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,160 hours South. What do you, what do you call 598 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,720 yourself in that between Brizzy and I'd say upper? 599 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,880 Southeast. Extends. 600 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,760 Now, yeah, but I, it didn't, I mean, it didn't make the drives 601 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,920 to the Gold Coast and Brisbane like easier for my parents, like 602 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,800 they were they were doing some long car Rd, car Rd trips. 603 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,000 But yeah, I'm, I'm certainly fortunate to go out from a place 604 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,560 in such a great community as well. 605 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760 I've been going out there in a few weeks time to compete in the 606 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,640 the Harvey Bay 100. So that'll be a really good race 607 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,160 to to go and see everyone and and kind of give back to the 608 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,880 community there because that the that's kind of how I got into 609 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680 triathlon. Being from Harvey Bay. 610 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,960 I had had guys like Tate Dixon, Christian Wilson, like we at the 611 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,680 at the time in our squad with Harrow, we had like four or five 612 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800 national schools champions from Harvey Bay, like, you know, 1 613 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,160 squad. So that was really special kind 614 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,040 of having that culture there and that that small town feel to it. 615 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,160 Yes. So that's kind of where my love 616 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,360 for triathlon grew. And I actually I've actually got 617 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,160 a photo. Oh, here we go. 618 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,400 Here we go. You have to shoot it. 619 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680 So we can put it up in the big. Screen of you, of you and me. 620 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 At the no. The Harvey Bay Triathlon. 621 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Oh, Jesus. Look at this. 622 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,960 OK, maybe 12/20/12 or something like that. 623 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280 This is in 2012. Courtney, do you recognise your 624 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,280 suit? This is the only way he 625 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240 remembers. Any part of it I recognise me. 626 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,720 I don't reckon I wouldn't recognise you. 627 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Isn't it? Yeah, yeah, with a hand me down 628 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,600 Nike singlet in there as well. How old is it? 629 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,360 He's a bit how old fella. Now how? 630 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,360 Old would you be? How old would you be in this 631 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,760 photo? 1414 or 13 I reckon, yeah. 632 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,760 And and Courtney what? What, what? 633 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,640 What rate? I miss that. 634 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,160 What race was it? Harvey Bay triathlon run by Ron 635 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Ackett back in the day. Look at that. 636 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,480 Yeah it would have Olympic non drafting I. 637 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000 Think AIS AIS logo on the. Front. 638 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,040 Yeah. So that would have been around. 639 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,600 I love this. You don't. 640 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 You haven't aged, by the way, Courtney Atkinson. 641 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480 You look, you look, you do. You look exactly the same. 642 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,560 So that's gold. Thanks for bringing in man. 643 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200 So you're a you're a good cross country runner. 644 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360 I'm assuming you're at the pointy end of your cross country 645 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,160 running. Does someone just come to you 646 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,120 and say, can you swim or can you bike? 647 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,360 Or have you considered this sport? 648 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Like how do they? Bring you what was the first 649 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,000 try? What was? 650 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,840 Can you remember the very first try? 651 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,800 So I, I don't have AI mean surprisingly, I don't have a 652 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,920 great memory from back then, but I think it was like Harrow 653 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,880 needed me for a a school sport relay team. 654 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,840 So back then the relay was like someone swims, someone bikes and 655 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,840 someone runs like the traditional Noosa tribe relay. 656 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600 So that they knew I was a good runner. 657 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,560 I just needed to compete to try complete a triathlon and then 658 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,960 I'd I'd be available for the relay. 659 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,640 So and yeah, so I'd I'd swam and I borrowed a bike. 660 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,960 I think it was a giant back then. 661 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,800 And yeah, kind of just stuck at it. 662 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040 I think it would have been like a Wide Bay trials or something 663 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,400 like that. Yeah. 664 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,400 And when did you, obviously you mentioned your you won the 665 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,880 Junior World title, but when did you realise or did someone tell 666 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,240 you, mate, you can, you can go? I've always in this sport like 667 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,400 did you realise it? Did someone have to convince you 668 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,200 of it? Did you know how did that play 669 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640 out? Yeah, like anything back then, I 670 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,680 think it's like sports success was like as simple as getting up 671 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000 on parade and receiving an award for for the the sports gold 672 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,560 award at school or something like that and just trying to 673 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,080 impress your mates. So I think any, any form of 674 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,960 sport or activity I was kind of kind of semi good at. 675 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,200 Like I stuck to it and ran with us because that's what got me 676 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,320 respect and, you know, got me, you know what not so I think it 677 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,800 was the Busselton School Sport Nationals, which I would have 678 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,280 been under fourteens or something like that. 679 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,640 And I remember it was there was flying over like a few days 680 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360 before there was a shark attack and it was like pasted all over 681 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,040 the news as we were flying over. So there was, there was no swim, 682 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,280 It was a cancelled swim and we had to swim in a pool, a time 683 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,720 trial format. And then we had a, a bike and 684 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,200 run like a handicap after that. So, yeah, I just remember being 685 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160 a really windy day, I outrode everyone by about a minute, 686 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640 minute and a half and then ran on to, to win it. 687 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,720 And I came like 4th or 5th at state titles and then won that 688 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,480 that day in nationals a few months later. 689 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,720 So that's when I kind of knew that, oh, this could be 690 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,120 something, this could be something cool. 691 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,840 Like I'd never won a, a cross country title or, or athletics 692 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,560 title. Maybe triathlons are one for me. 693 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400 So stuck at it and then fell in love with the draught legal 694 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,240 staff through, you know, the, the triathlon QLD Talent Academy 695 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,120 made it into the National Talent Academy, which was at the time 696 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200 kind of run by Craig Redmond, who was the the pathways 697 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,720 director at the time. And yeah, just getting a free 698 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,840 bike was like the the best thing in the world. 699 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,640 Free carbon bike that you get to keep and and give back at the 700 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,800 end of the year and then you get a new one. 701 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,640 It was like this is Christmas, so. 702 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040 How good are free shoes too? Free shoes are very you would 703 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,560 know from Courtney. Yeah, yeah. 704 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,240 Courtney's a couple of times. He's gone. 705 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,480 I've got a present for you. I'm like, yes. 706 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,160 What funny shoes and the U bikes aren't I was going. 707 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,160 To say, how many bikes do you keep at once? 708 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,520 Because you were specialised, right? 709 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,080 Yeah. How many? 710 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,600 How many bikes do you roll at once? 711 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800 I try because I've only got a small unit garage so I can't 712 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,200 really hold on to too many. But at the moment I've got both 713 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Olympic bikes. I got my current racing bike and 714 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,280 I got the TT bikes so and a few, a few E bikes as well. 715 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,440 I just roll around with the pool with. 716 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,800 So yeah, it's it's getting a little bit too much, but I try 717 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160 to offload them to friends and I think I gave Danos one the other 718 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,640 the other year as well. So yeah. 719 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,280 I want to talk a bit about news, Sir, because I know you're 720 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,720 racing in that, but can we talk Olympics because you've you've 721 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,320 got this enormous tick on your career CV now world champion. 722 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,040 Can we go back to Paris like that? 723 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,000 As a you know, Courtney's talked about his Olympic experiences. 724 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,720 Paris your first, Olympic second. 725 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080 Well, it felt like my first Tokyo was a bit of a. 726 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,360 Under. COVID. 727 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840 Yeah, of course, the COVID stuff, talk about the Paris, the 728 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Olympic experience, a truly unique Olympics from a triathlon 729 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240 perspective with swimming in the sand, the river, and we saw the 730 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,920 what all that was like. And where did you end up 731 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,400 finishing in Paris? I was 7th. 732 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,120 Right. How did that leave you feeling 733 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,920 like the Talk us about the race experience and and how you 734 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,000 walked away from that? Well, to to Miles Stewart, he 735 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040 was pretty happy because he he said to me after I see he's 736 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,080 like, oh, thank goodness you didn't beat my 6th place in 737 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,280 classic in classic moles. Yeah, but for for me crossing 738 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,320 the line, I think going going from Tokyo to Paris Tokyo was a 739 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920 bit of a disappointing campaign for all of us Aussie. 740 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,400 I think I can say that genuinely. 741 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,320 But yeah, to just feel walk away from that experience in Tokyo, 742 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,600 not really feeling a part of the Olympic movement, kind of just 743 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,240 feeling like it was a bit of a is just go there race, get the 744 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,960 hell out of there. Like you shipped off 2 days 745 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,440 later. So not really being able to like 746 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,040 be involved in the Olympic experience. 747 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,719 So then going to Paris and having the build up that we had 748 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000 swimming in the sand, the awful town in the background, riding 749 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,480 in the Champs Les like it was, it was incredible. 750 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,040 And I think the organisers, they definitely knew if they if the 751 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,880 water wasn't good and they mucked it up, they would have 752 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 looked like idiots. But if they if they pulled it 753 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,000 off, they would have looked like geniuses. 754 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,159 And I think it was the, it was the ladder for sure. 755 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,920 And especially with the the finish that we got in the men's 756 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,760 and and the women's and the MTR as well. 757 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,880 Like with Alex always hunting down Hayden wild in the in the 758 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,239 last stages of the run. I think it was just a spectacle 759 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,280 that I was just my, my individual success, like aside 760 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,880 like result aside, like I was just so proud to be a part of 761 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,360 the sport and to have it have so many eyes on it as well in that 762 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,800 day. And the crowds, I mean, 763 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,000 Wollongong crowd was great, but the Paris crowd was absolutely 764 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,320 bloody awesome. Like it was ridiculously 765 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,840 electric. Olympics is a different a 766 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,440 different level and. I guess in London for sure it 767 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,840 would have been like the same in Hyde Park with the brownies and 768 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,040 and everything like. That it's unique. 769 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,080 It's unique in the sense that because it's a free event, 770 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,560 right? It's the one event that everyone 771 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,760 can come down to and the crowds get you huge. 772 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,320 Yeah. Yeah. 773 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,400 So looking forward to LA then, for sure. 774 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,360 Do you know the course? You know what you're in for 775 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,720 there. Yeah, well, it's Venice Beach, 776 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,040 so knowing the beaches in LA, they're pretty, there's like 100 777 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,120 metre beach. Isn't it like a? 778 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,240 Lot. Yeah, a lot of soft sand. 779 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,680 A lot. Of soft sand running so I'm 780 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,760 going to have to be doing that with with a few of the surf guys 781 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,880 up here I can like. Does that already, but do you 782 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,720 think, do you look at that as an as an Aussies growing up on the 783 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,840 beach and all that? Do you instantly go advantage 784 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,880 mate? Well, if I wasn't 8080 kilos, 785 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,080 yes, I've, I've got a mate Brandon Copeland, who, who I 786 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,800 race and train with in the squad. 787 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,400 He, he always tells me up in the barely swim run because he, he 788 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,080 is like a sand crab across soft sand. 789 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,000 He is electric and it comes with the weight, I guess. 790 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200 But yeah, for, for me, that's definitely something that like 791 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,840 I'm looking forward to as a challenge. 792 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,560 But it's, it's going to be hard for everyone. 793 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,360 And, and it's good that we've got obviously soft sand beaches 794 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160 here on the Gold Coast that are pristine warm up. 795 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,440 Conditions. Not many hills around there to 796 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,760 be. No, no. 797 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,880 I think it would be quite a technical course. 798 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680 They were planning to have it at Long Beach, which would have 799 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,480 been like I heard Taylor Nib from the American team said that 800 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,720 like it was going to be in Long Beach. 801 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,080 She wouldn't even compete. Like she she was that like hard 802 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,960 stance on it because it was wasn't going to be a good 803 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,200 course, not very like suiting her strengths for the being the 804 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160 bike and and whatnot, being quite like a plane out and back. 805 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,240 So I think hopefully Venice, I can mix it up. 806 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,760 I'm not sure we'll get out to the Hollywood Hills at that far 807 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,240 into the beach. But yeah, I'm looking forward to 808 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,520 I think it's it's going to be challenging for the organisers 809 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,160 because LA as we know, is very car centric so and America in 810 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,360 general. So it's going to be, it's going 811 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,840 to be hard, but it's, I mean, it's, it's America that they're 812 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,600 big and bold, so. So when do you start? 813 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,920 Have you, have you been over there yet or when did, when did 814 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,160 the team start looking at that one? 815 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,640 So there's been oz troth and stuff that have that have gone 816 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,760 over and actually checked it out. 817 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560 Team Tim Rigby actually checked it out after he was at a 818 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,000 conference over in America. So there's there's been people 819 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,160 flying in and out of there. Sean Stevens has been checking 820 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,240 it out as well, a new new performance director. 821 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,640 So that there is like things like that in motion at the 822 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,720 moment. So yeah, that's, that's the 823 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,960 beauty of before you build up, you, you get some afforded some 824 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360 good time to to prepare and and get ready for it. 825 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,240 Do you the the you I've talked to Courtney a bit about, you 826 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,800 know, you get to where he is and he looks back and, you know, 827 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,360 forgets things and but you know, you now that you've you've 828 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,240 kicked off world champion, not that sport and racing and 829 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,400 everything is just a list of of achievements to hit. 830 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160 But when you are at the point of any of your sport, you can kind 831 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,280 of view it as right. I want to achieve these by the 832 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,720 end of this career, I want to have achieved XY and Z world 833 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,800 champion done. We'll get to know Sir in a 834 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,040 moment. Do you now attack these upcoming 835 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,880 Olympics with a different mindset than you had going into 836 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200 Paris? Now that you are I'm a world 837 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,880 champion, is it a different attitude towards the LA 838 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,400 Olympics? For sure, I think the period of 839 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,000 time between Tokyo and Paris was was just me learning to to be 840 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,520 able to win, learning to be on the podium and I did have a few 841 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,400 good results and performances there. 842 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160 But now I really look at this like 4 year or three year now 843 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,880 cycle going like all right now I'm at the top. 844 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120 Now I'm at the pointing end. It's about trying to consolidate 845 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,000 that and keep, keep building on my successes and keep the 846 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,440 momentum rolling because I'm, I'm in a four year position now 847 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,400 where I'm at the top and I can just keep, yeah, learning of 848 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,520 from my experiences and, and just learn how to win and win 849 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,320 consistently. So I think that's, that's really 850 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,760 exciting and that's where I that's exactly where I wanted to 851 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,240 be at the start of this four year cycle. 852 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,720 And, and to know that I've got another three years to, to try 853 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,080 and grow and develop with the sport. 854 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,560 Yeah, it's pretty cool. So cool. 855 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,600 I you mentioned a fella I do want to touch on now. 856 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,840 I haven't checked this question with you in advance, Matt, if 857 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,960 you don't want to answer, you can just give me a secret signal 858 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,520 that people won't be able to hear, but you can just put your 859 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680 hand up. What's the relationship with you 860 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,320 and Hayden Wildlife? We're we're acquaintances. 861 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,240 OK, for sure. OK. 862 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,280 He is, he's a ruthless competitor, I'll give him that. 863 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,080 And he is very, he's a, he's a tactical genius. 864 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,920 And I think he lets, he lets on less of what he knows and then 865 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,760 what he actually knows. So I think that is a sign of a 866 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,200 true competitor. Yeah, for sure. 867 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,720 He is a great bloke. He's a great bloke off the 868 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,880 course. But on the course he certainly 869 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,280 does some things that that turns heads. 870 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520 And I think that's what that's what makes him entertaining. 871 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,160 That's what makes him, you know, you know, stand out from the 872 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,800 crowd and, and that's what gives him the the edge at the end of 873 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,360 the day. So now, credit to him. 874 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,000 Honestly, all things aside, credit to him. 875 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,720 He is a he's a great athlete. OK, Yeah, you're a diplomatic. 876 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,840 Well, you also have a unique like if you go back to the 877 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,440 previous generation, you know, with the Brownlee brothers and 878 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,080 Javier and everyone, and then now you're in this new 879 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,520 generation of Alex Yee, Hayden yourself. 880 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,040 There's going to be, you know, a lot of years to come where 881 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,360 you're going to be fighting each other. 882 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,600 You know what, I suppose have you, what have you changed from 883 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,160 that Olympic experience and then to now like what's been the 884 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,560 biggest shift? I think just trying to tell 885 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400 myself that I belong at this level, like I kind of did have a 886 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,240 bit of imposter syndrome throughout those those Tokyo and 887 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,760 and somewhat of the Paris campaign and lead up. 888 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,000 And I think it was just learning to deal with the pressure of 889 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040 having to compete against those guys and those guys like proven 890 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,040 guys like Alex and Hayden and and, you know, believing that I 891 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,280 do belong next to them and alongside of them and stop 892 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,000 putting them on a pedestal so much obviously respect what they 893 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,800 do and their abilities are amazing. 894 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,920 Like on and off the trial and feel like we see Alex going to 895 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,560 do Valencia Marathon this, this week. 896 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,160 And, you know, I reckon he's probably going to run a low, low 897 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,720 one like in the half marathon. So that's, that's the kind of 898 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,520 targeting, like that's the kind of guys I have to come up 899 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,480 against. But it's yeah, it's a fact of 900 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,080 like not putting those guys on a pedestal that knowing that like 901 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,080 on my best day, I can, I can well and truly mix it with them. 902 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,040 And I think over these last 12 months with them kind of taking 903 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,640 a bit of a step away from the sport, I think it's been great 904 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080 to see the sport move forward without them a little bit. 905 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160 And hopefully they'll come back and have it a little bit harder 906 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,880 next year. And, and, you know, try and try 907 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,120 and take it up another notch as well, which is what we love 908 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,880 about the sport. It's like it's, it's quite a 909 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,920 young sport and you know, in terms of like, you know, the 910 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000 Olympics and it's only ever been since 2000 in Sydney. 911 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640 So it's got a lot of growth to, to go. 912 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,880 And I think we're starting to see, you know, that come to 913 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,560 fruition. Like I stepped it up a lot this 914 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,880 year had Hidalgo and Vasco also stepped it up massively. 915 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,960 Like we ran 1336 off the bike in Fray Juice. 916 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,240 You know, I was 3300 and 43150 watts on that bike and had to 917 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,040 run that to win it. And a few guys were around that 918 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,840 1340 mark as well, including Alex. 919 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,560 So the sport's just evolving as well. 920 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920 So it's great to, it's great to kind of evolve with the sport. 921 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,640 Do you have aspirations to jump in? 922 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,680 Any running yourself testing it out? 923 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,080 I would love to, I would love to do like a 5 and 1010 road for 924 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920 sure, just to see how I how I mix it up with those guys. 925 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,760 I I was I was always considering doing the Bolt Noosa double like 926 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,600 that would be that would be pretty cool yeah. 927 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,680 I don't want to disrespect my competitors on the Sunday though 928 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,160 because I haven't actually won the race yet. 929 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520 So my training partner Braden Merson is like 7 years. 930 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000 My youth we've. Heard this advantage. 931 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,120 He is obviously the defending champion so so I've got a lot to 932 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080 a lot, a lot of work to do next weekend to to try and top it. 933 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,640 Moving on to Noosa, do you, do you know the field? 934 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,800 You know what you're up against. Yeah, there's a few 935 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,080 international competitors. I think Henry Schuman's coming 936 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,440 back. He's got some relatives in 937 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400 Australia so he's coming back to to race. 938 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,960 I think Jake's away racing my Bay a world champ 17.3 the next 939 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,920 weekend, so I don't think he's making the the trip over. 940 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,840 Luke Willan is obviously one of the four, Olympic teammate, 941 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,160 Brandon Copeland, Braden Mercer, We've got Jack Willis, who's a 942 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,000 British competitor, John Reed, American competitor. 943 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,520 So we got like a quite a few, you know, really decent guys 944 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,160 that are coming across for it, which is exciting. 945 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920 A few of the internationals have had yeah, which is. 946 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,920 Which is cool. Like coming off the back of 947 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,040 Wollongong and and having them kind of stay on and and compete. 948 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,600 I think Cassandra Begrand as well, the Olympic champions 949 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,320 going to be there. So that's going to be maybe 950 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,800 that's why Ash took a step back and isn't racing. 951 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640 I don't know. Maybe she's like oh I did too 952 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,520 much hate but. It's funny, we're having that 953 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,360 conversation before you walked in. 954 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,960 Let's, let's talk about, I want to get to Ash because I know 955 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440 that Dan mentioned that she's had something of a, of a mother 956 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,240 bear influence on your career. Noosa as a as a title or as a 957 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,800 race, how important is it for you to win one at some point 958 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000 during your career? I think it's definitely a super 959 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,360 important like I, I tried to win it two years ago, but Hayden 960 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,000 Wilde rocked up and stole the show. 961 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,360 And he's obviously a lot more experienced on the TT bike than 962 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,080 I was at the time. But yeah, I think it just holds 963 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,080 a rich history in the sport. Like my coach, my ex coach 964 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,560 Harrow, he's done like 30 or 35 of them and he's like a noose or 965 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,880 immortal or something like that. So I think it's always been like 966 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200 on my radar as a as a race to tick off. 967 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,720 And you know, the names obviously, like yourself, 968 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,480 Courtney and, and Craig Walton and the guys that that have won 969 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,200 it multiple times and Aaron Royal as well. 970 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,560 I think, you know, a lot of kids my age had Aaron's poster up on 971 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,000 the wall, that of his finish line in 2014, grabbing the tape 972 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,840 and doing like a growl or something to the camera. 973 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,280 So there's a lot of historic moments throughout the the 974 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,320 course of the Noosa Noosa triathlon. 975 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,680 So I really wanted to, you know, try and add to that history. 976 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,200 And it's it's the rare occasion that as a short course guy, you 977 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,920 get a chance to race on the same course as the age group is. 978 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,280 So I think there's a lot of mutual respect there. 979 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,440 You know, a lot of the time our short course athletes with our 980 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,840 draught legal element until we don't get as much as many eyes 981 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960 or as much respect from from the age group fields because that 982 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,720 they don't they don't know what it's like. 983 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,440 They don't get to race on the courses. 984 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,920 They don't know what it's like to sit in at 47 K an hour and 985 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,040 roll around. I think you know. 986 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,280 What is that like? Because I've got no idea what 47 987 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,200 K an hour feels like to roll around. 988 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,680 It's a lot easier with mates, that's for sure. 989 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,640 But it's it is still hard. It is still hard, that's for 990 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,760 sure. But I think, yeah, it is it is 991 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,720 kind of a rare occasion that we do need to do get to like 992 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,840 compare times. And that was the biggest thing I 993 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,040 found two years ago when I came second to Hayden. 994 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,160 It was like at the after party at the surf Club where there was 995 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,840 too many people there. I was getting. 996 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,200 I was like, Oh my God, like you did like you wrote like 52 997 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,120 minutes. How like that's crazy or like 998 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000 you, the whole triathlon was like an hour 41. 999 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 It's like for us that the times don't really matter. 1000 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,200 Like it's as you can't compare times with the courses because 1001 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,000 it's so like interchangeable across the world with all these 1002 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,400 different courses and and elements like hills and stuff 1003 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,040 like that. So just to see the age group is 1004 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,800 kind of like geek out about all the time, just like compare 1005 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,920 things and stuff like that. It's kind of cool to be like, 1006 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,400 yeah, to kind of get that recognition, I guess and and to 1007 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,280 kind of compare and contrast. Yeah, well, it'll be exciting. 1008 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,480 I'm so, yeah. Quickly, you mentioned you're 1009 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,800 running maybe 5K10K. What are your PBS? 1010 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,320 Out of curiosity, 'cause there, as a, you know, lots of runners 1011 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,440 listening to this 5 or 10 KPB, what have you got? 1012 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,800 Well I did my 10 KPB off the bike on the weekend so that's 1013 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,280 29/29/16. That was your. 1014 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,680 That was your 10 KPB. Yeah, I have another chance to 1015 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,880 do to do a 10K fresh same with the same with the five K 1336. 1016 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,000 That's my PB. That was 4.97 KS, so it was 1017 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,520 pretty much on the nose. I think on the weekend it was 1018 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,800 10.02, so just over that 10K mark. 1019 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,920 But yeah, both my PBS and five and 10 have been off the bike, 1020 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,760 so it'd be good to just. Just want to triathlon. 1021 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,640 Australia's guys still get out with a trundle with. 1022 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,760 Yeah, they do, yeah. Normally we rely on the French 1023 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,880 'cause they're pretty, they're pretty well versed with that. 1024 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280 They they get out of the trundle wheels quite often then then 1025 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,400 share their stats. So. 1026 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,520 You're a weird bunch triathlete. Cause yeah, it was the same for 1027 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,360 you, wasn't it? You reckon you didn't couldn't 1028 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640 run a better 10K than you'd done off the bike? 1029 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,520 I just. Said I never ran any 10K in 1030 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080 individual races to compare, so yeah, they're all done in 1031 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,680 triathlons. And that's, that's why I want to 1032 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,400 like do it because it's like, it'd just be cool to, to know 1033 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,160 what you're capable of. I, I don't think it'll be too 1034 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,200 much quicker to be honest, because the swim and bike really 1035 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,800 do complement the run quite well. 1036 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,280 Like as long as you're not packing on James Magnuson 1037 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,440 muscles and the swim, you know, it does like complement it in 1038 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,040 terms of like the aerobic capacity for the run, the bike, 1039 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,760 obviously the overall strength and conditioning. 1040 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200 So I think there's a lot of elements to the trial from that 1041 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,560 compliment you're running in general. 1042 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,840 Like I found that coming through the junior ranks in like still 1043 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,760 doing some cross country and athletics races where I'm going, 1044 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,840 coming up against these like skinny, skinny runner guys that 1045 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,960 are like haven't gone through gross bets and stuff. 1046 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,880 And I'm here with like some quad muscles and, and A and a booty 1047 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640 and I'm. I'm you. 1048 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,720 Know like telling them up doing doing something completely 1049 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,080 different. So I think it does complement it 1050 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,000 well. We saw that with Gwen Jorgensen 1051 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560 when she she went for the marathon post her Olympic 1052 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,600 triathlon career and and kind of probably didn't like exceed her 1053 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,640 expectations or even made her expectations as to how she was 1054 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,400 going to go just fresh running. You're a you're a strong, like I 1055 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,840 know how much you're doing in the gym, but like you're a 1056 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,120 strong runner. When you when you watch you run 1057 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,560 it, it looks just so efficient. Like you the the pace you're 1058 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,040 running it when you're watching it on it doesn't. 1059 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,800 Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, no, it's kind of like even 1060 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,960 even around the track. We were talking about a video 1061 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,640 that you were doing on the last track session. 1062 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,960 I was watching it and I'm like, are they jogging or are they? 1063 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080 It's very, very hard to tell. But I mean, the times tell the 1064 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,040 story, right? You fly. 1065 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,240 So it's, it's, it's super interesting to see just how 1066 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,200 strong you are. Like there must be so much glute 1067 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,000 involved in like, So what you're saying between the bike and the 1068 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,520 running, there's a real technique to that. 1069 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,600 And if you go and run just fresh, it doesn't always equate, 1070 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,680 right? Like fresh runners may run in a 1071 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,160 bit of a different patterning and using different muscles. 1072 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,400 Yeah, yeah. And I think for me personally, I 1073 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,720 spend a lot more contact time on the ground like we've analysed 1074 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,600 my, my stride rate and whatnot. I spend a little bit more time 1075 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,800 on the ground. So it is it is nice to have 1076 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,160 these carbon shoes these days are trying trying to get me off 1077 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,600 the ground nice and nice and quickly. 1078 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,080 So you're running with the ASICS like did you have you always run 1079 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,400 in carbon shoes? Because when did it? 1080 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,040 Pretty much. Well, ASICS kind of brought out 1081 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,120 their carbon shoe maybe around 2018-2019, but it was quite a 1082 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,680 basic model. Like it wasn't like the 4% was 1083 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,040 that revolutionizer game and everyone like soon after 1084 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,840 followed. But I think ASICS are definitely 1085 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,680 up there with one of the best, if not the best now in terms of 1086 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,440 like performance and and shoe tech. 1087 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,760 So yeah. And have you noticed like say 1088 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,640 even in the last four years that shoe Tech had the one new models 1089 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,840 they're bringing out, they're still improving or are you like 1090 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,960 they feel better but speed wise? Sometimes, like I think the 1091 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,760 second version of the meta speed was a bit of a hit and miss for 1092 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,200 for our six. I think I preferred the first 1093 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,200 version like really, really well, and then the 3rd and the 1094 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,520 4th. Now they're just getting better 1095 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,520 and better. Speaking of running do, can we 1096 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,400 talk about that safety video, the running section, can we talk 1097 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,440 about? We talked about this on an 1098 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,880 earlier episode of the podcast Matt Not. 1099 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,320 Not at your expense, no, No it. Wasn't his expense, let's be 1100 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,880 honest, blaming the government. We were blaming the government 1101 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,320 and we were. Brief and I had to execute it 1102 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080 so. If people can't remember those 1103 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,280 that can't remember, Matt Hauser was the star of the Queensland 1104 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,640 Road and Transport Safety video. With the boom in run groups on 1105 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,600 how to safely run, do you indicate that when you go to 1106 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,040 turn now when you run? I, I actually, I, I do on some 1107 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,760 occasions if it's a big group, I do. 1108 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,680 I definitely do. I definitely do with a couple of 1109 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,800 us that that have been running the same roof for a long time, 1110 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,000 probably not to be honest. But I think the message was just 1111 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,360 to make sure you're you're communicating it where you're 1112 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,720 going and when you're crossing the road. 1113 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,560 And I know it did look a little bit goofy. 1114 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,480 No, don't worry. We were just envious we didn't 1115 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,600 get the contract. We exactly, exactly what's your 1116 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,720 call as you approach runners? I mean, you, I don't imagine 1117 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,640 you, you're behind too many people. 1118 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,160 But we talked about this on an episode the other day. 1119 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,840 Heading around Burley Hill when? You're heading around Burley 1120 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,200 Hill. What do you call out? 1121 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,160 I Do you have a call? I just say, excuse me, I don't 1122 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,560 know. Yeah. 1123 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,760 Excuse me? Like, thank you. 1124 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,320 You don't go the scuff, you don't go the scuff Feet so that 1125 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,680 they hear you, no. That's yeah, that's a good one. 1126 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,720 That's a good one. But I like to to use my voice, 1127 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,720 OK, You know, OK, It's polite. Yeah, fair favourite. 1128 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,520 Run. Like if there's one run session 1129 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,200 that get you ready, can you share it? 1130 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,400 You show everything on Strava, don't you? 1131 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,800 Yeah. If anyone wants to follow you 1132 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,320 go. Go to my Strava, follow me 1133 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,720 along. I think I really do like the 1134 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,440 Palm Beach Loop. I think that's gotten really 1135 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,320 popular around like Telebudgera drive around the soccer fields 1136 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,960 there. It's like a 4K like basically 1137 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,040 closed off because at least as long as there's no soccer games 1138 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,960 onto the the park, it's it's pretty quiet. 1139 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,680 Dan really likes to have a bit of like that fart like type of 1140 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,760 ideology into our runs. Like a few runs we did, it was 1141 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,800 like 8 minutes at like a threshold pace, so 305 to 3:10, 1142 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,680 then into like like maybe maybe it was like minute, like float 1143 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280 into like 2 minutes or two minutes harder than that 1144 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,080 threshold pace. So you go from that 305 pace 1145 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,120 down like 2:50 to 2:55 and then back off again and then back 1146 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,120 into the 8 minutes. And we do that about three times 1147 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,560 so. How much rest would you do off 1148 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,960 the back of the faster one? It'll just be a minute float 1149 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,320 each time. So it'd be continuous 3035 1150 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,880 minutes or so, 3540 minutes. But it would just be like that 1151 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,160 change of pace, you know, going from that threshold, like 1152 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,960 changing up the rhythm, changing up the stride rate into that 1153 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,920 faster work. So I find like I'm more suited 1154 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,480 to like the shorter, sharper stuff like the 5K. 1155 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,360 So I find that session really good for me to like, you know, 1156 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,200 boost up my my endurance in the run for sure. 1157 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,280 But you can't go past K reps like K reps are are the golden, 1158 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,680 are the golden run. You you didn't know what float? 1159 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,280 What's float mean to you? Well, you don't if we put it in 1160 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,040 the. Dictionary. 1161 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,760 What's a float? Float's like a zone, Zone 2 to 1162 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,680 zone 3 type of type of run where you kind of you're, you're 1163 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,040 coming off the pace a little bit, but you're still kind of, 1164 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,320 you're not letting your heart. Rate. 1165 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,040 What do you float at? So I'd probably float at like 1166 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,560 3-4 years, shut up 3-4 years. You're not losing your rhythm 1167 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,960 too much. You're not definitely not 1168 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,400 jogging, but you're just keeping that kind of, yeah, that 1169 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,200 momentum going. But you never want to see me 1170 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,520 float, mate. I can't float in the ocean, can 1171 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,800 we? Life is a what are you, 27? 1172 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,360 Yep, 27 years of age, world champion Australian has a 1173 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,600 Australia has a rich Olympic history. 1174 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,840 We have this we went through, you know, you mentioned the 1175 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,600 golden era of triathlon where guys like Courtney and Chris 1176 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,720 McCormack and and Brad Bevan and, and these guys and, and 1177 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,600 then on the women's side, Emma Carney and Snowy and all the 1178 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,480 rest of it. And then we have like I work on 1179 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,840 a radio show with Liswell Jones, who was in the golden era of our 1180 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,480 swimming, right? Liswell Jones comes out of her 1181 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,920 career with aside from an incredible CV of Olympic Games 1182 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,000 and medals, financially not a lot to show for it. 1183 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:23,680 How what is life like now as a professional triathlete in 2025? 1184 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,480 Like from a financial, are you able to how hard is it to get 1185 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,920 out there and grind and obviously you've just won the 1186 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,480 world championship. How sustainable are you now 1187 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480 through this the next Olympic cycle? 1188 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,840 Going off the tax rate in Australia, it's pretty, it's 1189 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,320 pretty hard, yeah. So it is hard to make make a 1190 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,400 money in the sport. I think if you're at the top it, 1191 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,560 it's good. Obviously you get remunerated 1192 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,920 from from race results, sponsorships, bonuses, whatnot. 1193 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,200 I basically don't have to don't have to pay for too much in 1194 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,040 terms of travel and and accommodation wise. 1195 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,400 Oz triathlon really does help with that sort of thing. 1196 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,880 But that that also depends on your categorization. 1197 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,640 So I'm up, up towards the top of the categorization table. 1198 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,000 Now, a lot of the guys, you know, down the down the bottom, 1199 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080 towards the bottom of the categorization scale, they still 1200 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,520 have to pay for flights over Europe. 1201 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,320 They still have to pay for probably 40 to 50% of their 1202 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,840 accommodation costs while they're over there. 1203 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,680 So it is a, it is a tough graph if you're definitely not in that 1204 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,880 top three in the world. So that's why there's so many 1205 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,560 guys, you know, turning to social media and trying to get 1206 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,960 get views and comments and likes and trying to trying to spark, 1207 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,600 you know. And what do you make of all 1208 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,480 that? What do you make of because we, 1209 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,840 it's, we've had conversations with Andy Buchanan, right? 1210 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,440 Fastest marathoner ever been Australian. 1211 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,240 And he accepts that athletes need to do better. 1212 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,800 If this is the new world, there's no point fighting 1213 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,920 against the tide. And he's is that we as athletes 1214 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,000 or he and his mob as athletes need to get better at selling 1215 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,840 themselves from a social perspective. 1216 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,240 What's your attitude towards all that? 1217 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,560 For sure it is hard because obviously you're in triathlon or 1218 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,680 running like it's not like ATV sport like footy where you 1219 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,560 don't. You can post about having beers 1220 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,400 with your mates and I'll. Tell you what, the footy players 1221 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,520 are coping strays today. All due respect. 1222 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,920 I love footy. I have a great passion for it, 1223 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,080 but yeah, certainly it's it's been a necessary evil for me 1224 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,240 over the past few years. I think it is draining at points 1225 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,320 and you do have a bit of responsibility to sponsors and 1226 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,560 partners with it. But I, it just kind of comes in 1227 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,360 waves, to be honest. Like I'm really motivated a few 1228 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,440 weeks and then I'm not might be one week. 1229 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,120 I'm kind of off it and not really doing much. 1230 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,280 And it just, yeah, it kind of ebbs and flows. 1231 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,760 And I don't know, even with all this social media attention, I'm 1232 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,760 getting like and collabing with posts and there's me all over 1233 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,400 the feed. I'm kind of just like feel a bit 1234 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,400 bad for everyone. I'm just like, sorry for like 1235 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,120 clogging your feet because I just, I don't want to be 1236 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,280 annoying because in the tall poppy syndrome of, of this world 1237 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,920 in Australia, it's, it's, it's a fine line we run. 1238 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,880 So I don't want to really want to be flooding the feed too 1239 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,640 much. Yeah. 1240 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,120 Oh mate I couldn't, I agree with you more with what you just said 1241 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,840 but I mean I'm I'm sure with world championship now things 1242 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,320 are going to improve very quickly. 1243 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,680 What? Outside of triathlon what do you 1244 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,800 do? What's your hobbies? 1245 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,440 So, like any endurance sportsman, love coffee. 1246 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,640 Got my coffee. Machine. 1247 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,480 That's not really new, is it? Not really new. 1248 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,720 So I, I collect vinyl as well. So I've got a vinyl, vinyl 1249 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,200 record player. My dad got me into it. 1250 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,200 He actually, he gave me all of his old records for Christmas 1251 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,160 one year and and then a few years later he's like, oh, can I 1252 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,160 have a few of them back? Is it, is it just listening? 1253 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,280 It's kind of DJ as well, no? I would love to, I love to beat 1254 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,600 mix. That would be pretty cool goal 1255 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,160 of mine maybe once I retired to to kind of delve into that. 1256 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,960 But yeah, just listening for now. 1257 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,640 I've got a dog now, a 1 year old Vishla, so taking her out is is 1258 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,480 a joy to my day. Watching footy and kicking the 1259 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,240 footy when I can, when the hammies are not playing up is is 1260 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,960 really fun. AFL or AFL? 1261 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,080 Yeah, AFL So. You mentioned your partner 1262 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,200 Georgia. And how long, how long have you 1263 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,040 guys been together? 5 1/2 years, yeah. 1264 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,080 It must be taxing at times because you have to be 1265 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,320 incredibly selfish about your job, about what you do to 1266 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,560 achieve what you are achieving and what you want to achieve in 1267 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,440 the future. How do you manage that? 1268 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,000 How do you manage that relationship of essentially 1269 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,760 saying and we, it was interesting because Dan last 1270 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,440 week talked to us about the conversation that he and Georgia 1271 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,200 had after your last race in Europe before the World 1272 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,480 Championships. So she's obviously on board with 1273 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,000 it. But how do you manage that? 1274 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,960 I think it is just making sure like they feel valued in the 1275 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800 journey. Like I think that's that's the 1276 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,600 most important part and giving, giving back to them and giving 1277 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,560 them, you know, just supporting them through their life as well. 1278 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,680 And I think I get just as much of A kick out of hearing her, 1279 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,240 you know, achieve things at work or get a promotion or she's also 1280 00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,720 doing some running like she does. 1281 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:05,080 She did like a 120. Oh geez, what did she do? 1282 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,400 Like a mid one maybe one 26125 half marathon So at the Gold 1283 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,600 Coast of half marathon so. Race on your hands, Liam. 1284 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,520 Ohh mate, just. You're gonna get 10 minutes. 10 1285 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,560 minutes ahead of me. So like I, I like, I really love 1286 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,240 supporting her through that. And yeah, as I mentioned, like 1287 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,960 when life outside a sport is going really well and is really 1288 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,480 fluid, like I feel like I can push so much more on on the 1289 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,760 course. So like, I feel like the more 1290 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,920 energy I I give to her that the more I can give back out in the 1291 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,360 course to my sport. So, but I, I always joke that 1292 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,000 I've got a lot of catching up to in terms of being selfless in 1293 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,640 the, in the back end of my career slash in retirement. 1294 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,280 Like I'm going to have to be making up for the for a lot of 1295 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,040 years because it is a selfish, you know, pursuit. 1296 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,440 And yet you do have to put yourself first a lot of the 1297 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,520 time, which is, you know, which is a necessary evil. 1298 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,520 So, and, and she, she's great. She understands that and she, 1299 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,000 she's really supportive. And through the first few years 1300 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,560 of our relationship, like we actually met in COVID. 1301 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,400 And so that was like the one opportunity where I was staying 1302 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,720 in the country for, for 8-9 months of the year. 1303 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,760 So I would have never got a chance to develop, develop a 1304 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,600 relationship and get to know somebody without that kind of 1305 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,480 period of time. So I'm. 1306 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,720 As bad as it was for, for, you know, our community and, and 1307 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,400 social things, it was, it was a great way to to meet someone 1308 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,040 like Georgia and to, to develop that relationship and connection 1309 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,560 while I wasn't travelling overseas. 1310 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,680 And, and then with the in the years after that, I think she 1311 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,160 she realised that I wasn't going to be around for, for all the 1312 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,200 time. So, so it was tough to tough to 1313 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,320 manage that. Obviously just face times and 1314 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,640 whatnot, whatnot and just endless calls and, and stuff. 1315 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,960 But yeah, I mean, so it's. It's working now. 1316 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah of. Course going well. 1317 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,800 It's been worth it. It's been worth it. 1318 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,640 Been. Worth it for sure. 1319 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,760 Triathlon as a whole, Where's it at? 1320 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,400 I think I think it's in a good place. 1321 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,240 It's it's diff. It's probably not where it was 1322 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,360 in the 90s when it was so fresh and new and everyone was like 1323 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,600 Ironman, Koner and stuff like that. 1324 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,120 Like I think it's still definitely got a ways to go and 1325 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,280 it is a young sport. So that's just the reality of 1326 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,080 it. But I think it is a 1327 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,160 participation sport. So you're never going to have 1328 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,680 people watching it without a connection to to the racing. 1329 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,320 You're always going to have that at that age group side of 1330 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,800 things, you know, really supporting the the elites and 1331 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,120 and vice versa. So, but I think with this, this 1332 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,920 massive boom and running at the moment that that we've seen post 1333 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,120 code, I think that's kind of starting to transition across 1334 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,400 the triathlon, which is really cool. 1335 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,680 Like once you go to the half marathon, the marathon, the 1336 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,800 ultra marathon for for those who last that long, you kind of 1337 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,800 start to to try and pick something new and something 1338 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,080 different and something challenging. 1339 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,640 I think a lot of people that I have gone through that journey 1340 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,240 now and and done the marathon and tick, tick times off like 1341 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,760 that. I think they're starting to kind 1342 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,080 of go to triathlon and experience that, which is which 1343 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,880 is pretty cool, I think. I kid you not. 1344 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,840 Bronte Lanebrook, She's. Going to do a try. 1345 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,240 Wants to do Noosa next year. Wow. 1346 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,760 This is Bronte, who ran her first marathon at Gold Coast 1347 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,520 earlier this year. I spoke to the other day, I 1348 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:07,440 said, what's next? She said. 1349 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,840 I think I've got to do Noosa. Natural progression. 1350 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,520 There you go. Marathon to try well. 1351 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,880 I think I thought half of them skipped these days and just go 1352 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,840 straight to Iron Man. Yeah, Yeah. 1353 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,520 Well. That's the thing, 70 point 1354 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,440 threes is like so popular, right? 1355 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,880 It's like the, the TT bike, the, the, the gits, the gadgets and 1356 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,000 whatnot. So yeah. 1357 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,560 Well, mate, we're rooting for you for for LA. 1358 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,960 We cannot be. I'm I'm rooting for him sooner 1359 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,680 than LA Oh, I'm ready rooting for him noose. 1360 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,800 I wouldn't. I mean well. 1361 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,720 I've I've actually given him Noosa already after hearing 1362 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,800 today. Are you just pencilling him in? 1363 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,640 Yeah, there's pencilled in all of us now. 1364 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,680 Already gone to LA. Defending champ Brazenman has 1365 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:46,480 gotta. Gotta get. 1366 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,200 Given the respect he deserves, like, well, that's he's gonna be 1367 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,360 out for vengeance. You go in as the underdog. 1368 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,480 I mean, yes, world champion, it's good you go in as the 1369 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,680 underdog. Flying to the Raider. 1370 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,720 Did you want to ask about Ash? Oh, I did, I did want to ask 1371 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,760 only because Dan mentioned it on on the earlier of this week. 1372 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,840 This is the queen of Australian triathlon. 1373 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,120 What is it? What do we get up to it? 1374 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,360 Noosa wins 1011111314 more than 10 and and Dan mentioned that 1375 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:17,520 she early on took a very like motherly approach to you in not. 1376 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,000 Sure, she would appreciate you saying that. 1377 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,360 Sorry Ash, but well you know a mentorish type role with you in 1378 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,480 the sport. Can you speak a little bit about 1379 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,600 your relationship with Ash through the sport of triathlon? 1380 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,320 She always used to call me a junior burger, Junior burger, 1381 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,560 junior burger. So. 1382 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,240 But no, I've been racing on teams with Ash for oh goodness 1383 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,480 me like 8 or 9 years now. And yeah, for sure, she has 1384 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,800 definitely been the one to stand up on the woman side of things 1385 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,720 over the last decade. And obviously the amount of 1386 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,640 Noosa wins is is uncountable. So, yeah, I think just like, I 1387 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,320 think she was racing World Series races at like 15 or 16 or 1388 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,920 something ridiculous like that or a ridiculous age. 1389 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,520 So she's been around forever and I think, yeah, just having 1390 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,640 someone like that to look up to and to ask advice and to being 1391 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,000 around with teams and stuff like that. 1392 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,200 And she's already always treated me with kindness and, and 1393 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,040 compassion and, and yeah, kind of taking me under a wing as 1394 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,400 well. So it's been great to yeah, kind 1395 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,040 of experience and go through those, those moments and triath 1396 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,360 and with her. I've we've had good, good 1397 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,160 moments. We've had like pretty average 1398 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,200 moments like the Olympics and and I remember even like in 2017 1399 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,640 at the at the mixed team relay World Championships when we're 1400 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,040 kind of fighting in about third or fourth, fourth position at 1401 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,240 the time when went on went on to win it with Jake Burles, who 1402 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,160 famous print finish from him getting the job done. 1403 01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,880 But I think it was just after she crossed the line in her 1404 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,480 third leg and she was like coming over to me and she was in 1405 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,000 tears. She's like, I've stuffed it up. 1406 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,320 Like I didn't have the best race. 1407 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,720 Like Jake's in fourth, like how are we going to get this done? 1408 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,640 And she was kind of like almost like tearing up and I was just 1409 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,720 like this 19 year old going like this is Ash channel. 1410 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,000 Oh my God, Oh my God, Ash Channel's like crying to me. 1411 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,200 That's kind of crazy, right? Like I'm, I'm in my first world 1412 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,440 championship team. Like just like going gun for 1413 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:05,960 leather. And yeah, just having to 1414 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,720 experience like those kind of moments with with her gives me 1415 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,560 like great pleasure and joy to look back on. 1416 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,120 And yeah, it is cool to to kind of have those relationships over 1417 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,040 the course of your career. And no doubt I'll continue to 1418 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,240 have some more. And now do you and now just 1419 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,280 because on that, this is again, we've talked about the nature of 1420 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,960 triathlon, where it's at. It's a young sport and it's a 1421 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,520 sport that does rely on names. I've mentioned some of them, 1422 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,560 we've mentioned some of them. You mentioned some there in Ash 1423 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,160 and over the years Courtney and Bradden and the likes. 1424 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,960 So you now we've talked a bit about your team, but from a 1425 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,000 sport perspective and the need to be that that guy to be out in 1426 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,720 front. You've mentioned LeBron James as 1427 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,960 your inspiration. This is a guy who accepted the 1428 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,880 mantle and the throne of basketball around the world. 1429 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,360 Are you comfortable with your position sitting on the throne 1430 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,280 of Australian Triathlon World Triathlon? 1431 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:59,160 Yeah, for, for the moment, for sure, I think, yeah, I take a 1432 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,960 lot of pride in, in leadership and, and leading the charge. 1433 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,120 And I think that's, yeah, as I said, been one of my goals over 1434 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,600 the past like half a decade to to try and bring this sport back 1435 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,360 to what it was in Australia. And I feel like it's it's time 1436 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,480 for the men to step up after obviously the, the Olympic 1437 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,000 domination that the women have had over the past, you know, a 1438 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,160 couple of decades. So yeah, it's time for us to try 1439 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,040 and start clinking to medals around our necks. 1440 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:22,520 I love it. I love. 1441 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,280 It I love it. Well, thanks for your time, 1442 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,360 Matt. I know it's been if it's a huge 1443 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,840 weight for you and. Looking for world champion along 1444 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,320 and the world champion. Yeah, Courtney, we finally got 1445 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,800 one in the studio. We haven't had many guests. 1446 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,520 Well, junior, we Junior World champions. 1447 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,720 You got a junior? World champion? 1448 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,440 Yeah, it doesn't count. But no, but seriously, Matt, 1449 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,120 again with with world championship, as you mentioned, 1450 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,480 your phones gone nuts the and you and you're straight back 1451 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,080 into training. You've got Noosa on the way. 1452 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,760 So we really appreciate you giving us your time. 1453 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,960 Please share this episode because if you've never been 1454 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,040 subscribed or or shared the the podcast previously, this is the 1455 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,840 one you do wanna share. Matt Hauser, thank you so much 1456 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,760 for your time. Thanks, guys. 1457 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,640 Thanks, really appreciate it. Amazing.