1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,120 In the beginning, how are you Courtney, where are you? 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,080 More importantly, Episode 19 and we are we are apart once more. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,120 Yes, we are. And that, I mean, that's the 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,760 first thing to note. It never seems to run as smooth 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,440 when we're apart. Oh, I mate, I love being in 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,480 person to do this. You know, it's easier to bounce 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,800 off each other. But I'm sitting in the middle of 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,840 Tokyo at the moment in Shibuya, and I finally got out for a run 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,760 after I've had seven days off because I've been up in the snow 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,160 up in the north. WH So this is this is just a 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,400 family trip you're going on. Mate, purely a family holiday. 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,800 So January's generally my time. I always try and take off, you 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,200 know, after it kinda quieten, quietens down a bit. 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,680 But you know what, The funny thing was coming to Japan this 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,280 time. So let's go back. 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,680 I've spent a lot of time in the T early 2000s into the mid 2000s 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,400 in Japan. So I used to race for New 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Balance Japan in triathlon. I think it was about probably a 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,640 good five years I raced for them. 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,640 So I used. To specifically Japan, like 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,000 specifically New Zealand, Japan. Specifically New Balance Japan. 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,360 So when I was racing in triathlon, they Japan at the 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,160 time, you know, that was when the economy over here was great. 24 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,120 They used to have all, a lot of World Cup. 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,440 So those who are triathletes will know them as well. 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 The World Championship Series these days, Japan would host, I 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,720 think about three of them every year. 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,640 Had plenty of local races. And I got to the point where I 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,280 was racing with this team. We'd fly up on the red, the red 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,400 eye from the Gold Coast on a Friday night, arrive on 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Saturday, race Sunday morning and then fly back home to the 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,760 Gold Coast on the Sunday night red eye. 33 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Yeah. So I can't even remember half 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,360 the places I've been to. So the money, the money was 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,600 pretty good then. The money, the the Japanese yen 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,080 was a lot stronger than it is right now. 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,800 And then so that leads me to the second point is I, I was reading 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 news.com and all of these things before we came over here as a 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,120 family. First port of call was the snow 40 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,120 up and we're up in a place called Sao Onsen, which is known 41 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,520 for these snow monster things up in the trees like these big kind 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,080 of, you know, snowed in trees. We've got, we've got great snow, 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,880 but I was expecting to literally walk into little Australia in 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 the middle edge of hand because all of the news reports have 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,440 been, you know, Aussies and Americans and Germans have taken 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,280 over Japan. Tourism's rife. 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,760 Look, I flew into Osaka, got on a plane to Yamagata and I hardly 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,480 saw a Caucasian mate. So I don't know where or So what 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,720 I'm wondering, and this would be interesting, what your thoughts 50 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,480 are. I'm wondering if it's that old 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,240 Bali situation where Aussies, they're just flocking to the 52 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,480 same places up into, you know, one particular snow resort or 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,280 you know what it is. But I found it really good over 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,800 here mate. We are. 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,840 We are. I reckon it's exactly what 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,920 you're talking about. We are as a as a nation, as as a 57 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,600 majority. We are not an adventurous people 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,960 and it's probably got to do with the fact we grow up on an island 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,520 where we have no land neighbours and you do have to. 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,280 You could drive for 17 hours and you're still in Australia. 61 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,240 But we, I've travelled lots overseas and I reckon that as a 62 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,040 majority, we like to congregate to where we know there are going 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,560 to be other Aussies and lots of people having said that, and 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,520 there will be people listening to this right now who go shut 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,560 up. I'm heaps adventure. 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 So I go to heaps of different spots and there are Aussies that 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,720 will go and, you know, suss out the unique spots, the spots that 68 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,160 only the locals know about it. So it sounds like you and you 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,080 and the rest of the family are doing just that at the moment. 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,920 So it's been good though. Did you get some snowboarding 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,680 in? Got some snow mate. 72 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:46,400 I'm I'm very what would you call I snowboarding is our family me 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,960 like even a you know, I it doesn't we can do. 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,800 It's the one thing we can all do as a family. 75 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,680 So I'm I can get down a mountain on a snowboard. 76 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,400 I'm no Scotty James. I've got all the I'm one of 77 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,600 those all the gear and no idea. You know, Solomon fixes us up 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,880 with all the gear and I've got no idea how to ride but. 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,640 You. You snowboard like I play golf. 80 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,360 Oh, I reckon you play golf better than I snowboard still. 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,640 I like it. We've had a, we've had a ball, 82 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,959 mate. But yeah, so this here we are. 83 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,839 But I missed a week of running. That's you know. 84 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,240 And how's the body feeling? I went out this morning for an 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,760 easy 45 minutes and just ran around the streets up into a 86 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:36,880 park near Shinjuku, and I feel like my hamstrings are violin 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,320 strings at the moment. Yeah, yeah, it it's the old body 88 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,280 doesn't do well. Not running for a week. 89 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,400 But anyway, we're back into it. What about we're back into 90 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,400 yourself, mate? You're you are. 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,360 I've just seen you pumping out content on from Triple M All I'm 92 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,400 seeing on my Instagram feed is when I'm missing all the running 93 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,360 stuff and all I'm seeing is Liesel, Liam, Spider Spider just 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,680 having fun. It's busy, it's busy. 95 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,360 It's been good. You know, we're two weeks in now 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,000 and yeah, it's, it's breakfast radio is a lot of fun. 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,040 I'm actually really enjoying it. The it's going to take some time 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,560 for us to really hit our hit our straps, but I think everything's 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,320 pointing in the right direction. The wake ups have been easy. 100 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Yeah, what time? 3:30 the alarm goes off. 101 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,320 The alarm goes off at 3:30. It's it's the going to sleep the 102 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,200 tart I lay in bed for. I got into bed last night at 103 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:43,040 8:30 and according to the watch, according to the garment, I fell 104 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 asleep an hour at 9:30. So it took me an hour to 105 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,520 actually fall asleep last night. I was just tossing and turning. 106 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,240 It's yeah. Is that is that idea? 107 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,280 Is that just because it's it's all new, a new job, new show, 108 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,200 just ideas going? In your head I don't. 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,040 I don't reckon I've fallen. I don't reckon I've consistently 110 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,200 gone to bed before 10:00 for the last for my life. 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Like I just, I don't, I'm not a early to bed kind of person. 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,960 So when you try and change that and they reckon it's like it 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,920 takes 12 days to change a behaviour or something like 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,040 that, but it's going to take me time to consistently fall asleep 115 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,480 earlier. So I'll get there. 116 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,880 But the other part about it, what you said just then is that, 117 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,480 yeah, I have AI have trouble switching my brain off from 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,240 thinking. And because there's the show's 119 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,840 brand new, I've got a lot to think about. 120 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:36,720 And so once it's, it's such a snowball effect, once it starts 121 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,400 going, it's so hard to stop it. It's so hard to stop. 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,560 It do. Do you have a way that you you 123 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,200 managed to switch off at night? I've I've got a, I've got it. 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,840 No, I can't. What I actually do and I've 125 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:53,600 found it, it actually I forgot about it last night and then 126 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,880 when I finally did it, I did manage to get off to sleep. 127 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,600 It's the box breathing and I can Garmin to the the watch does 128 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,880 this for me. You can actually set it up. 129 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,120 I didn't use the watch last night to do it, but it's just 130 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,160 that box breathing and anybody that's done breath work will 131 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,560 know about this, but it's it's in for four. 132 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,120 So it's inhale for four and try and inhale consistently for the 133 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,200 full 4, four seconds. And then you hold the breath for 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 four seconds and then you sort of counted that in your head, 135 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,320 exhale for the four seconds and then hold the exhale like hold 136 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,400 the don't intake for another 4 seconds. 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,800 So the idea is it's box breathing. 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:35,240 So you go in for 41234, hold for 41234, exhale for 41234, hold 139 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,760 for 1234, then inhale. And if you do 3 rounds of that, 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,480 I don't, there will be people out there who know what it does 141 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,760 to you actually from a biological perspective. 142 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,440 But it does help to quieten my brain when I can't. 143 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,160 He's going to shut up. I was going to say, you did 144 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,560 sound, you're starting to sound very health and fitness. 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,120 I know, I know, I know. I don't understand what it does 146 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,680 but all I know is it makes my brain shut up and that that 147 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,600 helps me get to sleep. Exactly. 148 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Just just just while for the other side of the audience. 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,720 I'm the complete opposite. So I do exactly what everyone 150 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,160 tells you do not do. If I put a bit of Netflix on or 151 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,160 a bit of ATV show on a laptop and watch it, I, I will be out 152 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,720 in about 5 minutes as if I'm overthinking anything. 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,600 I just put the TV on and I'm like out like lights on. 154 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,880 So all that blue screen on all that blue screen nonsense, I 155 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,039 live. I live by going to sleep 156 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,159 watching something. I've never used them but I think 157 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,000 maybe those remember everyone buying the blue screen glasses. 158 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,720 Just Nah. Just one of the one of the all 159 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,120 time great scams. Well done whoever made it. 160 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,880 Whoever made a fucking load of those, well done. 161 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,400 We tip a screen, tip a blue screens have only worked for me 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,120 to get me to sleep. Hey, let's talk some running. 163 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Let's get, let's get stuck into some running. 164 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,480 Let's go. Hey, by the way, I'll talk to 165 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,440 you a bit about it later on when we talk about our running weeks. 166 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,760 But I'm back up in the trails and I'm feeling good. 167 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,000 I'm feeling good. I'll talk. 168 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,040 To you a bit about that, Let's let's take some running. 169 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Yeah. OK, so the most popular running 170 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,160 reel, or the thing that kept coming to me this week on our 171 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,560 socials was this reel from Sam Cornforth. 172 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:30,240 Sam Cornforth. SA Sam Cornforth. 173 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,080 Yep, I always love how you can just fix my pronunciations. 174 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Liam, this is perfect. This is what This is why we work 175 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,160 together so well. So it and look, we, we haven't, 176 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,000 I haven't got the audio and it wasn't a great audio. 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,760 You gotta go and watch it. We'll put it in the show notes, 178 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:48,720 but it's literally comparing a runner in 2000 to 2024 and what 179 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,040 the differences are. And it's literally 2 guys taking 180 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,520 the piss. And it literally finishes with, 181 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,840 you know, they were playing video games on split screen. 182 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,040 They're now playing video games online together. 183 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,280 But the running side of it is they're filming them. 184 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,320 So he's running, filming himself. 185 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,920 He's got all the gear, he's doing his massages. 186 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Just literally being a run influencer. 187 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,920 Yeah. Yeah, they, if you and yeah, if 188 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,920 you think back on it, if you're, if you've been running for 189 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,520 longer than four years, when you, when you used to go for a 190 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,920 run, you did just, you know, hey, I'm going for a run. 191 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,720 And that was it. And now this industry has become 192 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,400 such that if you're not filming yourself while running or if you 193 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,600 haven't got a race belt with gels and goos and all the rest 194 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,560 of it contained within it. And if you're not wearing the 195 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,280 socks pulled up above, you know if you're wearing your anklet 196 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,120 socks, you're showing you're it's become so complicated, you 197 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,960 just go for a run. This is what I put and then in 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,560 the end the video, what the the IT finishes with him literally 199 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,560 realising has he hasn't put Strava on so he finishes the run 200 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:59,000 and he can't put it up. So we love that, we love it. 201 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,760 That's good. So what they, so where I'm going 202 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,480 with this one is it actually then got me onto another kind of 203 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,720 idea around like what's coming and running this year, you know, 204 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,120 like this. I love it's just. 205 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,600 Everything coming quick and quick with trends and you know, 206 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,440 where's running going. We'll talk about Nike in a 207 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,440 minute and and they're kind of realignment in the market at the 208 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,280 moment. But I'm going to throw some of 209 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,760 this is from runners mood and they've got their 2025 running 210 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,440 trend forecast. And I thought it was a good 211 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,480 talking point for us to talk on what's coming or what you may 212 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,560 think's coming. So I'm gonna throw these to you, 213 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,040 Liam, and you tell me what you think. 214 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,760 So the first one is running is gonna move even more rain stre 215 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,920 more mainstream than it currently is. 216 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,120 So running shoes, clothes and everything else will shift into 217 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,840 mainstream culture and the hyper running brands and products will 218 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,160 go even further. Now I Li I like this to what was 219 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,640 happening with surfing in the 80s, eighties and 90s. 220 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,480 I love, I love it. I think it's, I don't know if 221 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 it's a bold, I don't think it's a prediction of sorts because 222 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,520 it's already happening. I mean, you are you, you run for 223 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,680 Salomon and you and I have already, we talked about this. 224 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,240 I reckon two years ago we cut, we'd finished a run up in Nerang 225 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,400 and you were telling me about something, an activation or a 226 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,160 competition that you're running internally with Red Bull where 227 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,120 you work. And one of the prizes on offer 228 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,480 were a pair of these Salomon trainers, like a trail shoes 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,720 essentially. And all the young girls in your 230 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,800 office wanted the Salomon trail shoes and you would go, what, 231 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,240 what's going on? What have I missed here that all 232 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,960 of a sudden these young girls want these shoes that I run in 233 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,280 on the weekends. What's happened? 234 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,200 So it's already happening that that trend of runners and more, 235 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,440 not just not just cool clothes, but traditional runners hitting 236 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,120 the mainstream. 100% it was girls and guys mate or it was 237 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,880 all the young crew and I with I like kind of went to myself. 238 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,840 Hey, I was a mate. I was 10 years ahead of this 239 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:05,000 trend, but. That's every It's it. 240 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,600 It only makes sense that for now for, for brands like Salomon and 241 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,000 and New Balance, New Balance have always been in kind of 242 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,400 that, you know, street where it, it now makes sense that it'll 243 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,800 just continue because those early adopters like yourself, 244 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,320 then there's the people that have set the coolness and now 245 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,040 you'll, you'll, the slow adopters like people like me 246 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,240 will catch up. So it's there's still, there's 247 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,920 still money to be made by these brands by really leaning into 248 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,440 this running trend even more. This is all gonna build towards 249 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,640 what is happening in Nike at the moment. 250 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,520 So let's let's keep moving at the moment. 251 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,840 But they've actually backflipped. 252 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,040 The second one is retro revival. And again, this isn't new, but 253 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,560 what what they're what they're thinking that may happen. 254 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,440 Is this retro? The retro nature of the street 255 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,000 shoes could actually come into the running shoe. 256 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,040 So you're thinking about the look of the running shoe, the 257 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,960 colour of the running shoe. Can they actually have that 258 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,200 street style shoe but bring it into the Alpha Fly threes? 259 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,320 Can they bring it into the top of the range shoe so you look 260 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,000 like you're literally running in a pair of 1980 shoes, but 261 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,120 they've got the tech of the 2025 shoes? 262 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,240 I mean, yeah, like what's old is new again. 263 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,120 And you think, what was the who's the famous Oregon runner 264 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,120 Prefontaine? The they've made a couple of 265 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,360 movies about him. Yep, that. 266 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,840 Yep. That's, I mean, look, you only 267 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,440 have to look at the faces of young blokes around this country 268 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,080 right now. What? 269 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,520 The moustache is back in. Courtney, I was about to say, 270 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,200 where's your moustache going? Well, I've shaved it off. 271 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,160 I'm trying to buck the trend. The moustache is back in in a 272 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,720 big way and which means the style of the moustache, the 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,880 style era of the moustache, which was back in the early 90s 274 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,040 eighties, is naturally gonna come back in. 275 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,200 So it does make sense. You showed me a pair of as we 276 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,000 were leaving after recording last week's episode. 277 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,680 You showed me the pair of those Newtons that you had still in 278 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,240 the gap. Correct. 279 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Yeah, and you're blown away. Those will those will come back 280 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,000 in It's funny. I do want to say is it Sally 281 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Tonica? I think I'm saying a surname 282 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,600 correctly. Yeah, she left. 283 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,560 She left a comment after last week's episode saying that my PB 284 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,720 is in Newtons GI miss running like I could back then. 285 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,000 So not only will. There be that seldom go Gold 286 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Coast Marathon, mate. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. 287 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,440 So there'll be that nostalgic feel for people, and so brands, 288 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,920 of course they're gonna lean into it. 289 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,440 Everyone loves nostalgia. Yeah, yeah, I might. 290 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,480 I might. Talking about that, maybe I'll 291 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,200 whip out those Newtons and wear them into the office when I get 292 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,760 back. See how we go, see how we go. 293 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,520 All right, so the next one now this one's probably the one that 294 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,760 I like at the most is can running become a spectator sport 295 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,040 marathon running events, cultural fashion Des as a 296 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,920 destination, you know, So this is probably more not turning up 297 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,600 to run, but are the influence are the public figures are the 298 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,600 influences. Is is running going to become a 299 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,360 an event like the Australian Open on at the moment where 300 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,400 we're seeing, you know, a whole range of companies I saw I think 301 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,120 it's is it you could bought one of the company. 302 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Oh, polo polo at the moment they've been doing a heap of 303 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,200 stuff down there. Are we going to see this in 304 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,080 running events? The big brands coming like horse 305 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,800 racing. Never say never my I've got some 306 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,960 reservations and look good marketing teams can make 307 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,760 anything popular good good a good you you know this Red Bull 308 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,720 Red Bull market events better than almost anybody good 309 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,520 marketing teams and that some of the sportswear brands are the 310 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,960 best at the world in this. About making things cool and if 311 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,120 if something's cool, people will turn up as a spectator sport. 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:58,040 The difficulty with running, it's a similar problem that not 313 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,360 F1. Like the point is, from a pure 314 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,440 spectating sport, it's boring. Running is long distance running 315 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,280 is boring to watch, right? It's a bit like, it's a bit like 316 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,240 the Tour de France in that if you watch a bunch of cyclists go 317 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,240 past you, that's it. And you don't see him again, 318 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,560 right? Unless you race self and know 319 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,880 whatever. But and yet the Tour de France 320 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,560 is cool. So maybe it's not so much about 321 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,119 looking at the Australian Open as a model, it's more about 322 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,440 looking at the Tour de France as a model because people aren't 323 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,960 going to get excited about standing on the side to watch 324 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,360 the elite runners go past for a split second and then that's the 325 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,000 end of their experience. So I'm sure the brands will 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,040 figure it out. This one. 327 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,960 I'll be interested to see how they they do it though. 328 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Yeah, I like the way you're going with the cycling because 329 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,720 what they do, you know, if you had a marathon course, they have 330 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,160 a parade. Arguably it's a big parade that 331 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,920 come through before the lead runners. 332 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,760 So there's entertainment. All the sponsors get there, you 333 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,920 know, different. Yep. 334 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,080 I don't know where you want to call them. 335 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,440 Cars, trucks out and show all their wares. 336 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,880 And there's. Yeah, it's all happening. 337 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,080 So maybe that's the way we'll go. 338 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,080 But let's see. Let's see if that runs right for 339 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,760 225. Look, this is happening at the 340 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,640 moment. There's subculture crossovers 341 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,440 and collaborations at the same time. 342 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,960 So are we going to see? What I'm interested in is where 343 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,360 the break point for all this is. So this has been happening for, 344 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,480 you know, you know, pretty much since COVID or pre COVID, COVID 345 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,040 accelerated it. Is there going to be a point 346 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,160 like the US election where suddenly tides turn? 347 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 And is it when when is that point in running? 348 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Because everything changes, everything cycles. 349 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,600 And the one thing for sure is just like other sports, running 350 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,200 will have it stay and then we'll cycle. 351 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,920 When is that point? Absolutely. 352 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,960 And and and by definition tides turn as you say. 353 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,320 So running is still very much, I don't, I don't think it's 354 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,720 peaked. I actually think it's still in 355 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,320 the upswing phase. There's some people who are 356 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,800 probably resistant to running who think it's having its 357 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,880 absolute peak right now. I still think it's got 358 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,680 incredible room to grow, But what's, what's the jumping the 359 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,840 shark? What's the moment that is is one 360 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,800 step too far? What's that brand association 361 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,360 where, you know, is it? Is it if if Bunnings hosts a 362 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,400 marathon in one of their stores, is that the point where running 363 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,800 has become too naff? Is it, is it a certain person 364 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,760 getting on board? You know, if the Kardashians 365 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:37,120 start advocating running, is that the moment where no, this 366 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,320 is this is burst, the bubbles burst for us. 367 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,320 I don't know what it is. I think, look, I think there's 368 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,680 some some run influence out there trying their hardest to 369 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,200 burst the bloody bubble of the sport because I don't like what 370 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,040 some of them are doing. But I think the bubbles a long 371 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,440 way from bursting as a whole. But I look for look at the same 372 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,040 time. I'm really excited to see what 373 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,080 culture and subculture collaborations happening with 374 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,400 running this year. It's it's exciting. 375 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,680 We've talked about music runs and we've talked about the run 376 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,520 clubs doing stuff with breweries and all the rest of it. 377 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,000 And that's great. I'm fascinated to see what comes 378 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,400 next. Yeah, I mean cult, the culture 379 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,920 side of it's the thing we're talking about here. 380 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,400 I mean, running running's existed for hundreds of well 381 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,680 thousands of years since they dot and it's not going anywhere. 382 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,120 I mean, I was running like I'm in in the middle of Tokyo at the 383 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:32,840 moment and you know, one of the highest populations that get out 384 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,680 and run, you know, the hard like when they run marathons sold out 385 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,800 highest population of doing that at the Ekinen Relays running in 386 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,320 school. So when I've spent some time 387 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,840 here before, you know, it's compulsory at a young age in 388 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,360 schools. They take him running every 389 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,760 morning. It's part of their culture. 390 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Run up in the park, you know, OK up here up the street and you 391 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,520 know, you're going to find runners running around the park. 392 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,600 And and what one one that got me this morning was the guy He 393 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,960 looked like he must have been about 100 and he was bent over 394 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,160 like frail SH. He would have been walking and 395 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,120 mate, he was still picking up his feet. 396 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,520 I was I was watching him and he was just just still that notion 397 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,680 of still being able to run, just picking up his feet and I'm a 398 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,600 walk ran past smiling, going yeah, that's that's what you 399 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,680 want to be doing. I love the the Tokyo Marathon 400 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,600 for mine is is a that's, that's, that's a bucket list. 1A friend 401 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,240 of mine from the runners in the dark group down in Sydney G she 402 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,560 and her and her partner Ben G's in locked in for the Tokyo 403 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,640 Marathon this year. And Ben, I was talking to her, 404 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,880 her partner Ben, who was saying that it's just that's their 405 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,920 absolute, that's their household focus. 406 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,800 She's getting run the Tokyo Marathon so that they're making 407 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,280 it their household focus at the moment, their days, their 408 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,520 training, everything is mapped around G getting to run the 409 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Tokyo Marathon. So yeah, Japan's got an amazing 410 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,000 running culture. I think the idea of 411 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,520 collaborations around running, that's that's the other thing. 412 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,040 I think that's the last thing they have on their list of of 413 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,000 this runner's mood predictions for the year. 414 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,560 That's the other thing that might pop the the bubble is is 415 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,480 if we see the wrong brand Co. The wrong brand. 416 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Yeah, that's the, that's the. Other one, yeah, well rolling 417 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600 into that, so I'd mentioned Nike earlier on. 418 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,760 So the new CEO of Nike and this is a new use, this is going back 419 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,600 a few weeks now, but he it's no secret Nike have had a massive 420 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,800 decline on the stock market. There's about 29% DE, you know, 421 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,120 decrease in value this year. New CEO has got back and they've 422 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,600 got, he's come out and announced their new brand strategy. 423 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320 So they're getting back to their roots and they're gonna focus on 424 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,840 sport. So when we're talking about all 425 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840 this collaboration subcultures and all that, Nike's been at the 426 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,000 forefront of this, right? They do it so well. 427 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,160 And now what you'd argue is, you know, one of the biggest, if not 428 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,480 the biggest sporting brand on the globes turned around and 429 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000 said we're going back to focus on sport. 430 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,800 What then I did see pop up was cycling. 431 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,720 So night teams up with a female FDJ, it's first Pro Cycling team 432 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,560 partnership. So that's an interesting 1. 433 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,760 So they've gone, we're gonna go back and focus on sport. 434 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,680 We're a running brand. We sell shoes. 435 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,840 And one of the things we're gonna do right at the moment 436 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,200 from 2:25 on, when we're gonna jump back into cycling. 437 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Now, if you remember Armstrong, like Lance Armstrong. 438 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,040 I was about to say, that's the last time I can remember Nike 439 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,640 really being associated. With it, yeah. 440 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,840 So I mean, massive Nike athlete in cycling really. 441 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,560 They didn't, you know, you could buy cycling Nike cycling shoes. 442 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200 They never when I was, you know, around tries in that day and 443 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,920 they never really caught on that much. 444 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:49,240 But you know, yeah, here we go. So Nike back in cycling and 445 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,360 they're like openly saying, you know, we've got lost a little 446 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,920 bit in our ways, we're losing share and we're going back to 447 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,720 focus on sports. So hopefully that's good news 448 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,000 for athletes. Do you know what's interesting 449 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,600 about the Nike? I don't know how much you know 450 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,960 about it, and someone out there who knows more probably correct 451 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,880 me on any mistakes I make in this part. 452 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,240 But interestingly, with Nike, they, they used to make golf 453 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,280 clubs, right? And there's probably some people 454 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,800 out there that still swing Nike golf clubs. 455 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320 And they basically, and this might have been under the old 456 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,160 CEO or under the old strategy, but they basically abandoned it 457 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,240 because it wasn't their this their sweet spot. 458 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,640 It wasn't their, pardon the pun, one would, it wasn't their 459 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,960 strong strength technology of making clubs. 460 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 These pure golf brands like TaylorMade and like Callaway and 461 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,360 Ping and all the rest, they were much better. 462 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:44,640 And I think it was Rory McIlroy who had used to use Nike clubs 463 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,400 and basically performance kind of went. 464 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,240 Tiger was Nike, wasn't he? Tiger's Nike. 465 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,240 I don't know if he ever used Nike clubs. 466 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Necessarily we're talking club, club specific. 467 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Exactly. And famously I mean, they 468 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,000 dominate in the they dominate from a Nike clothing apparel. 469 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,120 But I wonder whether with this renewed focus on sport, they 470 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,920 might reopen the the got the Golf Club wing of the the 471 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,000 factory and see if they get back into that. 472 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Anyway, wait and see. Watch it. 473 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,400 Watch it, watch this fight. Yeah, because I mean, that's to 474 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,560 me, that's really interesting. And like I said, hopefully 475 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800 that's good news for for athletes. 476 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760 And, you know, some of that investment goes really back into 477 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,680 some of those sports that's, you know, realistically the the 478 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,000 equipment is actually used for in the first place. 479 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Yeah, exactly. Hey, we got some loose ends we 480 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,480 need to tie up. I did so last last episode. 481 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,040 We, we have been inundated with messages about nasal breathing 482 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,720 and oh, yeah, I know. I don't know if I want to talk 483 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,040 about it, to be honest, but it's I've, I've got to just, I've got 484 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,520 to have some time to sift through it and then maybe next 485 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600 episode we can come back to you. We'll pick it up then. 486 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,440 One thing I do need to own, you know, here we, we talk about 487 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,800 being transparent on this show. And last week I was talking 488 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,520 about when I go through a service station, we're talking 489 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,080 about electrolytes. Yeah. 490 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:13,600 And I said I buy maximus one for value 2 because there was more 491 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,880 sodium in a maximus than there is in Gatorade or Powerade or 492 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,520 some of those others you choose to buy. 493 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Now I was create corrected. I'm not corrected. 494 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,920 I was then watching a reel on someone I, I kind of do trust a 495 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,800 little bit on how they talk about electrolytes. 496 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000 And no, Gatorade and Powerade actually have more sodium than 497 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,680 Maximus. So I don't know how the hell 498 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,720 Maximus tastes like it's got more sodium in it. 499 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,880 But you know, this is one of those things that when you're, 500 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,880 and when they were also talking about Maximus first Gatorade and 501 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,920 Powerade, it was also talking about how concentrated they 502 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,080 were. So having that ideal 503 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,440 concentration about 6% to or under 6% to be able to absorb 504 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,960 into the bloodstream correctly. Now Maximus was a little bit 505 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520 over, I think Powerade was slightly over and Gatorade 506 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,080 actually sat just under 6%. So it's the thing that's when 507 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,520 you're exercising. After exercising or pre exercise 508 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,400 or whatever, that idea of having the perfect mix goes out the 509 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,480 door. So I'm gonna again come back to 510 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,160 say I go with my gut, I go with my wallet. 511 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,520 And when I walk into the service station, I'm still gonna buy the 512 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 one that is the best bang for buck. 513 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,240 That you do you exactly right I do me Hey hey, bang for buck, 514 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,640 whether it's whether you're buying electrolytes or buying 515 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,520 shoes at rebel, do what you need to do and the just quickly and 516 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,400 I'm glad you've this is what we're about hand up 517 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,640 accountability when we get stuff. 518 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Wrong. I was wrong. 519 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,200 I was wrong and I've and I'm owning it. 520 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,640 But can we go back to the nasal breathing for a moment? 521 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,240 I know you're going to wade through some more of the 522 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600 comments. I just want to share two things 523 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,040 with you quickly. Flo sent us a message on Spotify 524 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,200 and she said another great EP guys. 525 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,960 In regards to nasal breathing, check out Oxygen Advantage. 526 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,120 The Oxygen Advantage uses dynamic breath hold exercises to 527 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,520 enhance sports performance and simulation of altitude training. 528 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960 So I'm going to look into the oxygen Advantage, but. 529 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,640 OK. I had this conversation about 530 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,200 nasal breathing with Eddie Gordon, friend of the pod runs. 531 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,040 Good former triathlete like yourself, still a very good 532 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,520 runner these days. I was talking to him about this 533 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,080 in run group last week and he and we and we're talking about 534 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,760 nasal strips. Have you ever used nasal strips? 535 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,120 That is one I haven't done, mate. 536 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,480 I look at them and I go. Yeah, interesting. 537 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,520 We could say that, right. So we and I was talking about 538 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,000 nasal strips with one of the other blokes in the run group 539 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,040 because there's some there's some elite runners, there's some 540 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,320 great runners who swear by them. Right As he referred a 541 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,000 conversation he'd had with the doctor. 542 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,280 OK, and I'm going to use an analogy here. 543 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960 Well, the doctor basically said, yeah, that's great. 544 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400 It might open up your nose for more breathing. 545 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,840 But if your nose is taking in more breath, it just means your 546 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,360 mouth isn't taking in as much, right? 547 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,280 Because ultimately your lungs are only as big as your lungs 548 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,160 are. So the analogy being, and I, you 549 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,320 know, in a toilet, alright, if your toilet, if your, if your 550 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,480 toilet assistant, stay with me on this, everybody. 551 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,320 If you're listening, trust me, this will work in the end. 552 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080 We're we're in the toilet, OK? If you look at your system in 553 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,640 your toilet, right, if your toilet system is a six litre 554 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,840 system, when you press the small flush, the flush when you've 555 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,120 just done a number one, the toilet sends down 3 litres. 556 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,920 When you press the big flush, the toilet sends down all six 557 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,120 litres. OK, correct. 558 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,680 Yeah, your toilet, your toilet assistant can only send down 6 559 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,000 litres. Right Now, if your lungs, let's 560 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,960 say, are capable of holding 6 litres of air, and you're taking 561 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600 in maybe 4 litres through your mouth and two litres through 562 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,120 your nose, your lungs are still only taking in six litres. 563 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,080 If you put this nasal strap on, suddenly your nose is capable of 564 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,520 taking in four litres. It's not like your mouth's still 565 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,960 taking in four litres. Your lungs can't take in eight 566 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360 litres, they can only take in six litres. 567 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,280 SO4 litres might be going in through your nose, but it means 568 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,640 your mouth's only taking in two. Oh, I'm with, I'm with you here, 569 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,360 Liam. I, I get where you're going and 570 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,800 it, it, that, the, it's, that's common sense to me, But I, I'm 571 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200 sure you're gonna piss off a lot of nasal breathers in that. 572 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,960 What I'm saying is your lungs are a toilet and there's only so 573 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,200 much room. Yeah, I like that makes 100% 574 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,000 sense to me. No signs back in it. 575 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,480 So but we'll, we'll, I'm sure this topic's, but I, I was, this 576 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560 is one I didn't expect to kind of come back with so much 577 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,960 information. And every time I read a new 578 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,720 comment on nasal, I've been running for, I don't know, 30 579 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,760 years and I've never once thought about. 580 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,480 I'm sure at some point some coaches said to me breathe in 581 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480 through your mouth, breathe out through your nose or do 582 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 something, but I've never really overthought it too much and it 583 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160 comes back to that notion of overthinking running 11 584 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,240 breathing exercise I have had kind of said to me over time is 585 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,640 more to keep your breathing in control is on steps. 586 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,840 So like breathing on every four steps, breathe in yeah, then 587 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000 breathe out, you know, kind of using your steps as a as a 588 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,760 rhythm based breathing exercise. But yeah, anyway, let's. 589 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,400 Maybe one? One one day in the future, we 590 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,160 maybe get someone in who knows what they're talking about on 591 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,640 this. So what else have we got? 592 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,000 Oh so off the back. Another one that I was just 593 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200 getting like flogged with. So I'm not gonna mention 594 00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,120 everyone's name who sent this to me, but off the back of we'd 595 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,800 already talked about in episode 18, the Thai Ving run carbon 596 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,520 favoured sandal. Yep. 597 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360 And the guy ran two 18218 marathon in them. 598 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,920 So we've got inundated with that. 599 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,560 Who hadn't listened to that episode yet. 600 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,040 Go to episode 18 if you want to hear about that. 601 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,960 But then Matt O'Brien actually shared to me like an upgrade on 602 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:27,320 the Birkenstock recovery clog. He has shared with me what Ben 603 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:33,280 Johnson has shared on Instagram, which is a VK try recovery clog 604 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,160 which has a carbon fibre plate inside. 605 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,360 Now if you have heard this is absolute bullshit, I'm going to 606 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920 call it right off the gap because. 607 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,320 Right. This is it's a clog designed 608 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 they say it's designed to boost recovery and daily comfort. 609 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,480 The VK Tri recovery clog helps athletes recover faster with a 610 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,880 softer E Eva upper, dual intensity foot bed cushioning 611 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,640 and everything else. And then it has a carbon fibre 612 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160 plate for stability when you're recovering and walking around. 613 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,960 Why do you need a carbon plate? You know this is Mar. 614 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,600 This is This is BS marketing and it's best. 615 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,320 Again, we'll put this one in the in the notes for you to have a 616 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760 look at. But like, this is getting out of 617 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,920 hand, mate. Absolutely out of hand. 618 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560 There's no need for that, that that's one where I think we can. 619 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920 We don't want to be pro or anti any products unless we've tried 620 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,600 them and reviewed them. I haven't tried that. 621 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,120 But don't buy it. It's a waste of time. 622 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,440 No, Yeah, now I know you're. Why don't we, we've got some 623 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640 loose sensor tie up from even earlier episodes. 624 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560 So why don't you type your loose end first back to that famous 625 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,840 real where you talked about kilometres versus intensity in 626 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,440 your training. You do that one first because I 627 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,720 have to go even further back for another. 628 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,720 Fight, we're going back and back, but yeah, so quickly. 629 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,000 Michael Richardson now north QLD fella. 630 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,720 That's why I'm gonna make sure like I love it when a N 631 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,320 Queenslander backs a fellow. I'll call myself AN Queenslander 632 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,400 when I want to. I was born up there. 633 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,280 So we we on that distance first intensity debate. 634 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,360 He was listening to the strength running podcast with Jason 635 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,280 Fitzgerald. So pretty knowledgeable guy, 636 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,159 right? And he was talking about a 637 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,120 similar thing in there. All of those things you can. 638 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,120 So he's talking about running paces and that type of thing. 639 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,360 So he goes things that you dial in and you just can't do it on 640 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,360 race day unless you're thinking about it. 641 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,199 Every run you do is your easy run, easy enough. 642 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,800 How fast are you going in your speed sessions compared to 643 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,400 previous times? But it's more important, but 644 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,040 it's more the effort then the exact pace that's going to be 645 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,120 relevant if you're yeah. So you're trying to get the 646 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,520 stimulus of an intensity. Your body doesn't know a pace or 647 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,480 a distance. It knows how hard things are. 648 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,639 So that's that's that's the line. 649 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,280 Your body doesn't know a pace or a distance. 650 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,720 It knows how things you are. So this comes back to running 651 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,880 for intensity, the RPE chart, all of those things that just 652 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,240 this is second, this is backing me up a little bit here, but 653 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:12,120 don't get hung up too much every day on Strava, your paces, your 654 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,200 times and everything else. Just get the work done, be 655 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,240 consistent and, and do the intensities you think you need 656 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,160 to do. And in the end, you keep doing 657 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,120 that, you'll get good results. That's it. 658 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,080 Consistency over perfection. That would be that's, that would 659 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,960 be #1 on the on the commandments of In the Beginning podcast, 660 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,640 we'd have that over. There, we're going to have this 661 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,880 as our this is going to be our mantra, mate. 662 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,400 It's about just intensity and consistency. 663 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,080 Intensity and consistency. That's the In the Beginning 664 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,120 podcast, intense and consistent. Hey, I need to go all the way 665 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200 back to episode 4 for a moment, if you will, which is probably 666 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960 one of our most downloaded apps, which is where we discuss the 667 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960 idea of who Australia's best known runner was. 668 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,400 Now the reason I want to go back there is because I mentioned in 669 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,400 that app Jessica Howell, who was a part of the pole where 670 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,080 alongside Steve Monegetti, Ned Brockman and Brett Robinson. 671 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:15,000 Was he the yeah, correct. And I we talked about Jess how 672 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960 silver the Olympics in the 1500 metres. 673 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,560 I've referred to what I think is the most under celebrated 674 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,880 Olympic medal maybe we've ever had because of how amazing her 675 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,680 achievement was. I just wanted to give a shout 676 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,520 out and I've been in no way paid for this but my heart lit up and 677 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,360 I'm late to the party on this because I think it's been in 678 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080 place for over a month. But I got really genuinely 679 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,760 excited when on my Instagram feed I saw a paid partnership ad 680 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,040 pop up from Jess Hull with Shocks the Headphone company. 681 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,480 Because it just said to me that whilst it might not receive have 682 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,120 received the recognition of the Fox girls, Jess and Noemmy or 683 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:02,720 some of our swimmers, I'm really genuinely happy that a company 684 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,400 is partnering with Jess Howe and that she's getting money into 685 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,440 her pocket to continue being our maybe our best runner right now 686 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,840 over the track, around the track. 687 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,720 It just made me really excited that there's a brand partnership 688 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,400 in place with Jess. I'm sure she's got other things 689 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080 as well, but I was like, this makes me happy. 690 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,560 I'm glad that this headphone company has found a way to 691 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,440 partner with someone who is one of our best track runners right 692 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,560 now. Yeah, they're they're being 693 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,520 well, Yeah, I agree. That's great. 694 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,800 I mean, she's doing, she's with her rum brands and everything 695 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,600 else. I'm sure she's doing alright as 696 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,720 well, but. But she's made me happy. 697 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,320 Yeah, yeah, mate. Yeah. 698 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,280 I mean, we, we've talked about this. 699 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,000 We want to there's a there's a happy line. 700 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,920 Ronnie's big enough at the moment that everyone there's, 701 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560 you know, should be enough. Everyone should be eating. 702 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,800 And The thing is, you know, we're talking about influences 703 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,720 we're talking about. But I want to see make sure that 704 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,760 the true athletes and the ones who are performing in our 705 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,400 country's best at the moment are not only supported by the 706 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,640 brands, but supported by the, the spectators and, and, and 707 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,600 the, you know, the population as well. 708 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,600 Yeah, nice one, nice one. All right, loose ends tied up. 709 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080 Let's talk about running now. You've obviously mentioned 710 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,080 you've done sweet bugger all running because you've been 711 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680 snowboarding and shredding the pow. 712 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,080 But but I am I, I'm back in the trails. 713 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,560 We talked about it the other week. 714 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,800 The fear of this Kanani race and a few other trail things coming 715 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,120 on has got me back up into the trails. 716 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,600 I've been up in the border trails a couple of times last 717 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,040 couple of weeks and that I think I spoke about it a couple of 718 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,720 weeks ago of the heaviness of that first trail run back up 719 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:42,840 there and just feeling every gramme that I I am carrying over 720 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,000 my race that. You I I ate over Christmas. 721 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,040 Yep. Exactly. 722 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,200 Now I don't think I, I haven't, I, I didn't weigh myself at 723 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,840 around that time. I don't typically, I'm not a 724 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,880 scale watcher. I don't typically look at how 725 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,880 much I weigh ever really. But I was back up in the trails 726 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,480 earlier this week and I feel so much better. 727 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,400 I just feel, and I think I've been putting a big focus on leg 728 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,840 strength stuff too. Squats, goblet squats, all that 729 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,240 sort of stuff, and whatever I'm doing is working because I feel 730 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,120 so much better up in the trails at the moment. 731 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,440 Up in Crumben, have you been in Is that? 732 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,040 Where you, yeah, up in the border trails, sort of just 733 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,240 putting in and it's a simple out and back thing for me. 734 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,640 And again, not coming from your background of the elite level of 735 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,200 training, mine is a really simple training idea of out and 736 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,560 back. And each time I just go out a 737 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,400 bit further. I'm just going out. 738 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,080 So the first one of these I did, I think I went out for 5K when I 739 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,440 came back, I think it took me a little over an hour to do this 740 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,800 10K with about 400 metres of elevation. 741 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,280 The most recent one, I went out six K and I came back 6K. 742 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,520 And so I'm just adding, just adding to the wall, adding to 743 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,040 the KS, adding to the time the elevation goes up a little bit. 744 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,800 But it's, it's a really simple idea, but finding this trail 745 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,000 that I'll go well, this time I'll go out next time. 746 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,960 So I'm going to do another run today, in fact, and I'm going to 747 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,680 run out seven cars. Which means it'll be a 14K run 748 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,480 all up. I'll probably do about 500 749 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,880 metres of elevation over this run. 750 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,320 It'll probably take me an hour and a half, but it's going good. 751 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,560 It's perfect. Well, we'll build up because I 752 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,160 reckon then we've before Keani Kinani, we'll have to do some. 753 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,520 We'll be up the back of Springbrook or something mate. 754 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,680 I'm still so angry at you about this race. 755 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,080 This is genuinely terrifying. So the other thing I am doing, 756 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,160 and I know you know about this because it's one of your old 757 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,280 surf mates who's the event organiser, is the Burley Swim 758 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,960 Run event that's happening on on Monday the of the Australia Day 759 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,320 long weekend. Tie Dalka organising this event 760 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200 down in Burley. I'm in. 761 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520 I'm committed. I'm in. 762 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,560 Yep. So what? 763 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,000 What if? Just refresh me on what is it 764 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,800 the I know what it is where it is, but what's the distances? 765 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,280 For those that don't know, it's a 400 metre swim there, it's a 766 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,960 4K soft sand run. It's a 400 O ocean swim. 400 767 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320 ocean swim off Bailey beach and then a 4K soft sand run. 768 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,600 I think it's a 2K course that you do twice. 769 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,920 I, I probably this is not something I'd normally sign up 770 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,320 for because I swim like a rock. But the reason I've jumped into 771 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,920 it is because there's a, there's a can't remember what they, how 772 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,320 they classifying it, but there's essentially a little kids race 773 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,080 and it's a wade race. So they weighed 400 metres and 774 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,840 then I think they run 400 metres. 775 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,960 And so my 8 year old Quinn, who's doing nippers at your old 776 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,080 Horn N Burley Surf Club, she's in. 777 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,760 So she'll be doing the wade race and dad's going to be doing the, 778 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680 the, the full belt, the 400 metre 4K run. 779 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,920 I'm genuinely concerned about coming last. 780 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400 Oh mate, you'll be fine. There's they that that event's 781 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,160 been running for years and they get a, you know, a mix of 782 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,720 everything. You'll be fine and they get 783 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,880 everyone from down there. You'll see some of it like I I 784 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880 wouldn't be SU surprised in Matt Hauser and those Olympians turn 785 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,080 up. And then you'll have everyone 786 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600 from all the surf club crew, young crew. 787 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,160 It's a great day, but I mean, because it's so busy that 788 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640 weekend as well. Now this is the one thing you by 789 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,360 that stage you'll be running back through from Burley to 790 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,160 North Burley and back. I reckon you'll have a pretty 791 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,320 good crowd of like people starting their daily barbecues 792 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,440 and everything by then, mate. And if you're what are you gonna 793 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,840 wear? Do you what do you wear in this 794 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,800 race like that? Do you go in the Dick togs or do 795 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,240 you go Dick togs? Do you go like tights? 796 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,960 You go Tri suit? What's your What's your OK, I'm 797 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,640 uniform a choice. I am there's there's it's sort 798 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,240 of like it's like I'm like Goldilocks and the three bears 799 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:49,400 here, right? If if the try suit is is Papa 800 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,240 bear, I'm not good enough to be racing in the Tri suit, right? 801 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,080 I'm not, but at the same time I don't think I'm in good enough 802 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,800 nick to be running in the Dick togs either. 803 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,600 So I think I'll be opting for a pair of the little shorts or 804 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,120 something along those. Giants, jammers, or whatever. 805 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,560 Jammers, I think the swimmers call them. 806 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,560 So yeah, probably be rolling out in a in a modest pair of 807 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,400 jammers. By the way, quick product review 808 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,800 those you did throw me a pair of Salomon running shorts the other 809 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,720 day. Yeah. 810 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,400 I may never run in. I may never run in anything 811 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,200 else. They're good, aren't they? 812 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,280 They the what they're great, but what it's done is it's ruined my 813 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,920 other pairs of shorts. Now I I don't want to run in the 814 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,280 other shorts because they are, they don't feel like they're 815 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,760 there. They're so light. 816 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,880 It's beautiful to run in. They are, like I said, I am 817 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,840 obviously biassed towards Solomon when it comes to most 818 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,600 things, but this is just like these shorts by far. 819 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,040 And we're just trying to quickly look up. 820 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,920 Exactly. And look, they're not gonna be 821 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,320 cheap either 'cause they're the top of the range. 822 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,360 What are they? They're the sense aero set. 823 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,120 So they got, they're longer shorts. 824 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,160 So they're definitely, you know, not for you. 825 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,320 Like I always say. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna even say 826 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,760 that anymore. I'm gonna get in trouble one 827 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680 day. But they got S There are 7. 828 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,080 In short, they're 100 bucks. So it's an that's. 829 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,120 Actually pretty. That's actually pretty decent, I 830 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,280 thought. I thought they were going to be 831 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,240 more expensive than that. It's an but it is relatively 832 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,200 like if you're new to running, that's an expense. 833 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,680 That's a big Outlander pair of shorts, but they're worth it. 834 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,160 They are. They are. 835 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,560 They're delight. They're delightful. 836 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,000 The thing is, no, no seams. The inner sits like, you know, I 837 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880 suppose the waist, they don't really have a waistband as such. 838 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,920 Yeah, so the inner is your waistband, and then the actual 839 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,120 short itself just sits on, like it's nearly like on a suspension 840 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,360 belt. I don't know what it is, but 841 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,160 they work and they're like I said, I just order six or seven 842 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,160 of them and wear a pair of black shorts every day and it makes it 843 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,960 easy. Or next time, order seven or 844 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,600 eight of them. OK. 845 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,600 I will. So. 846 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,400 Yeah. So they're great. 847 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,520 So that's me. My run week. 848 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,320 Running's going good, feeling good, body's good. 849 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,240 Who would have thought that strength training and 850 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,600 consistency makes you feel good? But it does. 851 00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,920 So. There you go. 852 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,080 What are we up to? The WTF segment. 853 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,480 Here we go. Always a good one actually, 854 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,560 before I jump in. No, no. 855 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,520 I was going to say you need another hand up accountability 856 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,120 moment for you. Don't think we're skipping over 857 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,440 this in the run sheet. If you're going to call out the 858 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,800 big boys of the running world, Courtney, when they reply, we 859 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,880 are going to serve it up to the In the beginning family. 860 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,400 Yeah, well, I'm not, I'm not getting called out here. 861 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,840 I'm actually this. I have, I wasn't talking shit. 862 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,280 That's pretty much what's happened here. 863 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,600 I I was telling the truth. So Alex Baker, he won't, I'm 864 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,800 sure they won't mind me sharing this DM, but Alex Baker sent me 865 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,280 this and he obviously heard the conversation I was talking 866 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,320 about. I held the the downhill record 867 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:49,080 for a while there at what was it, UTA 50 or UTA 21, whichever 868 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,840 one we'd done and I'd actually knocked off Ben, Ben Saint 869 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,640 Lawrence. So obviously X 10K Australian 870 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,680 record holder and he sent that on to Ben to have a listen to 871 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,560 and see whether I was talking crap. 872 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,120 Now the Ben, he said Ben had a good laugh and said he'll give 873 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,200 it a listen. He, he, he, but he said I've 874 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,480 never beaten Ben in a race old lady. 875 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,240 I always used to let him cook his legs knowing that I'd pass 876 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,360 him back on the uphills. He's a good bloke and we're 877 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,120 mates. So thanks Ben. 878 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,000 Yeah. And I kind of thought that would 879 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,200 have been the case where. But I still did beat you on the 880 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,440 downhill. So there you go. 881 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680 I wasn't talking crap. Ah, alright, let's talk. 882 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,240 What the Let's talk some WTF events. 883 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,000 What have you found? So first one mate, have you ever 884 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,880 heard of or watched Artistic cycling before? 885 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,120 No, and there's a reason. Because it's artistic cycling. 886 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,800 This one, this is a UCI so like the governing body of cycling 887 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,120 for everything Olympics and everything. 888 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,720 This is ascensioned event and we'll we'll put the the reel in 889 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,920 the nose, but it's literally what what were those? 890 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,520 It's synchron, it's synchronised swimming for cyclists and it's, 891 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,200 it's, it is the, I mean, I watched the clip you sent 892 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960 through and I was annoyed. I was annoyed at you straight 893 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,120 away. I'm annoyed at the UCI for 894 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,240 sanctioning. This is an actual event that 895 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:12,560 people feel like they can represent their country in. 896 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,800 It's not a sport. Stop it. 897 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,640 Yeah, yeah, I well, I'm with you with the bikes they're riding. 898 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,120 It's not a sport. But then have you ever seen 899 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,640 flatland BMX riding where they do like a be on a BMX bike? 900 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,120 They do. It's pretty much like street 901 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,560 BMX. But like on flatland they do 902 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,600 tricks, They they do spins. I'll, I'll, we'll bring out a 903 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,000 reel next week on that. Yeah, there's actually a Red 904 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,800 Bull guy out of France who's like world champ at it. 905 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,200 And I see him on reels all the time and look on BM XS and I I 906 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,840 saw this and I don't know. I'm not sure I'm. 907 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,880 Not sure hey if if these people doing this synchronise or 908 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,560 artistic cycling whatever it's called can then drop into a bowl 909 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,000 or a park or whatever and do a flip. 910 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,960 I'm on ball with that but I don't reckon they can. 911 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,480 Yeah, so the next one is from Jordan Barter. 912 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,320 Now I think you know Jordan. Yeah, so I'm gonna let you talk 913 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,400 about this one. But he said boys loving the 914 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,960 podcast. Thought I'd mention a race that 915 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,800 might fit into this segment. I'll leave it with you from here 916 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,560 because this is your your neck of the woods. 917 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,680 Jordan Jordan's a Ripper. I used to play footy with his 918 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,560 cousin Matt and and Matt and Jordan both love and adventure 919 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,040 race. They're actually they're right 920 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,040 when when I did defiance that year, they were right into it 921 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,120 following along because they love and adventure race. 922 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,400 These boys. They grew up around the surf 923 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,320 scene. But this is Jordan sent this 924 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,640 through. I'm not sure if it's still 925 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,760 going, but about 25 years ago I competed in a race that 926 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,720 consisted of three different horse tracks. 927 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,640 Pretty sure it was Rose Hill, Warwick Farm and another one, 928 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,080 presumably Randwick. If you're in the Sydney area. 929 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,640 Everyone would start at the same time and do one lap of the first 930 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,200 track, so you've got to run the lap of the the horse track. 931 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,360 Let's say you start at Rose Hill and then you've got to race to 932 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:59,760 the train station to get to the next horse track and run a lap. 933 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,800 So if you went Rose Hill to Warwick Farm to Randwick, 934 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,920 basically it's a race around the track and then a logistical race 935 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,040 of getting public the train. To the next Sydney Trains. 936 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,240 Sydney Trains? Yep. 937 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,880 Interesting. This is the sort of race, these 938 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,440 are the sort of events that I think we need to see more of. 939 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,040 Less synchronised cycling, more racing, your mates on train. 940 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:28,520 I love this. Can you, can you go into any of 941 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,520 these Sydney race tracks and run now? 942 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,680 I mean, this is 25 years ago. I don't think you could. 943 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,640 Just roll in. Probably not. 944 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,760 Probably. Not in. 945 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,240 There is a track in in Melbourne. 946 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,920 I know some of the kind of more elite runners running race track 947 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,360 down there. I'm not sure whether they still 948 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,600 do, but I used to see them. Might have been Mooney Valley or 949 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,880 somewhere do. You know what this has just 950 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,640 reminded me of This is just reminding me. 951 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,480 I'm pretty sure I might look I'll look into it for next week. 952 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,360 But I'm pretty sure we've talked about run golf. 953 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,280 We've talked about what are some of the other silly running 954 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,640 events that they've they've combined anyway, but I'm pretty 955 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,200 sure. Kenny Cross stuff. 956 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,280 And yeah, I'm pretty sure there's an event or there's at 957 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,920 least very much a record of the fastest time it's taken somebody 958 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,920 to go to every train stop in Sydney. 959 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,640 So utilising the Sydney rail network, visiting every train 960 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,720 station. And the guy is like a fit dude 961 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,760 because he runs and you know, it's all the rest of it. 962 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,080 But I'll look into it more for it. 963 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,920 It'll be It'll be a headline for next week's WTF segment. 964 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,720 All right, you better put that in the notes, mate, because I 965 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,360 won't remember that one. OK. 966 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,840 And then a fire. Our final one. 967 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,280 So Kate, Liam, help me out here. This one's come from Kate 968 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,880 Kakavis. Yep, so she she's with the Gold 969 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960 Coast rug Club. I'm hopeless on names mate. 970 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,560 KDC just ones come from KDC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 971 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,120 I'm gonna have to start nicknaming everyone. 972 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,960 Anyway, she, before I get into what she sent us about the WTF 973 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,720 events she has, I think I might have mentioned about throwing 974 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,240 away shoes on a past episode or throwing away equipment or 975 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,000 something. Anyway, she's a part of the Make 976 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,840 the Make the Waves Foundation, which has what part of what they 977 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,080 do is a Sierra Leone project and we'll put these in the notes as 978 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,200 well. But what she sent me is their 979 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,880 foundation actually around SE Queensland. 980 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,840 Take in any old shoes or running equipment and all of that type 981 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,680 of thing. Once they've got enough gear and 982 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,680 they box it all up and ship it off to, you know, obviously 983 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,040 people who need it to go and off and run and help other people. 984 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,160 So if you are looking to, you know, instead of just wasting 985 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,600 stuff and throwing stuff away, I'll put the I've always thought 986 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,560 about where do you recycle your run shoes? 987 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,960 What do you do with them? If you're local, this is one one 988 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,320 thing that you might want to have a look into. 989 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,320 Anyway, she sent me a a link with a whole range of shoes, 990 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,040 like we a whole range of events. The weirdest Finnish events. 991 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,760 They are so in Finland specifically. 992 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,960 Now I'm gonna call out two of them. 993 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,720 The first one, and I love this one, it's the world wife 994 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,400 carrying championship. Oh yeah, have you heard of this 995 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,200 one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 996 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,600 I know. I'm familiar with this one. 997 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,080 Yeah. I like it. 998 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,800 You're familiar with this one. OK, I love this one. 999 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,640 So pretty much it's a, it's an old tradition, but it's a 235 1000 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,040 metre track with obstacles and the winner receives their wife's 1001 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,120 weight in beer. So Yep, the heavier your wife 1002 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,560 you can do it with, hopefully you only got one wife, but the 1003 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,320 heavier the wife you can choose to do it with, obviously the 1004 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,000 more it be you get. The other one I found quite 1005 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,640 interesting was the World Sauna Championship. 1006 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,280 So we've we've talked a little bit about ice baths and doing 1007 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,440 all that type of thing up in Finland. 1008 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,560 Who can last the longest in a hot sauna and starting at a 1009 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,320 temperature of 110 Celsius? So what's that in degrees? 1010 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,720 I'm I'm bad, I'm bad with this stuff. 1011 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,720 Let's just say it's hot, it's sauna hot, and every 30 seconds 1012 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,440 they throw more hot rocks on and increase the temperature until 1013 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,120 someone outlasts everywhere. H How would you go in this? 1014 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,000 I reckon I'd be OK in the sauna, I'd be absolutely hopeless if it 1015 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,560 was cold, but one thing I don't mind is a bit of heat, so I 1016 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,760 would actually put myself in this one and do all right. 1017 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,200 I would be the Eric Musambani of this sauna World Championships. 1018 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,320 I would. Be you're gonna have to, you're 1019 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,640 gonna have to tell me who that is, mate. 1020 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160 You remember Eric the Eel from the Olympics, the swimmer from 1021 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,320 Equatorial Guinea or wherever he was from? 1022 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,360 I do now. Now you see nicknames. 1023 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,840 It's all about nicknames. Eric Musambani, Eric the Eel, 1024 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960 AKA Eric the Eel, That swimmer who jumped in, basically he had 1025 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,240 the heat to himself because the only other bloke in it false 1026 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,400 started. I think he finished the 100 1027 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:04,640 metre freestyle in 2 minutes and 30 seconds, which is, yeah, is 1028 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,200 not Olympic standard. But he became the darling of the 1029 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,480 Olympic Games. He embodied the Olympic spirit 1030 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,080 of effort. I would be the Eric the Eel of 1031 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,720 the sauna championships. I hate, well, I don't hate 1032 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,080 saunas, but I just can't cop them for an extended period of 1033 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,640 time. Yeah, right. 1034 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,240 There you go. Well, can't. 1035 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,960 I'll, I'll, I'll take the in beginning, the In the Beginning 1036 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,400 podcast hit on this one. I'd be more than happy to go on 1037 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,840 this call. You have to. 1038 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,680 All right, right. So let's get into some listener 1039 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,600 questions. We got some. 1040 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,680 We do this week before, well before we jump into questions, 1041 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,560 we talked about we had our most Aussie testimonial ever last 1042 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,760 week, which was brilliant. Now, this is another, yeah, I 1043 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,160 suppose a similar to a testimonial, but it's we got a 1044 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,040 listener, Chris. His handle is Chris Explore. 1045 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,880 Yes, all the way from Norway, from Norway, Norway. 1046 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,000 I love this one because we talked about, we copped a little 1047 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,280 bit of Flack about hiking last week and he said hi and thanks 1048 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,880 for your Inspira Inspiring podcast. 1049 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,800 First heard your episode on a run and ended up downloading 1050 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,040 them all on my iPad. Fortunately because I did a hike 1051 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,560 up a few weekends ago to a cabin in the mountains, I got stuck 1052 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,520 for two days and ended up listening to 15 episodes while 1053 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,400 sitting by the fireplace drinking coffee. 1054 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:32,120 That sound that I love the the reason I love this. 1055 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200 I was like that is my perfect week. 1056 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,280 Going up into a mountain, getting stuck somewhere of my 1057 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,160 own and just being able to sip on coffee next to a fireplace 1058 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:43,920 for a week. Yeah, a good. 1059 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,520 Set. I've gotta be honest, that does 1060 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,720 sound absolutely delightful. At the moment I don't know if 1061 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,120 I'd wanna sit around and listen to 15 episodes of You and Me 1062 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,320 talk. No, I think that. 1063 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,280 That I wouldn't. That my big, but oh, how good 1064 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,200 from Chris. Thank you for Chris all the way 1065 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,560 from Norway. Signed up for his first trail 1066 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,640 race off the back of it and he's going running mountains, so how 1067 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,480 good. This is this is what it's about, 1068 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:07,760 this is what it's about. It's not getting you about 1069 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,240 buying fancy shoes is not getting you about signing up the 1070 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,440 stupid eight week programmes. It is about just getting 1071 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,360 involved. Well done Chris, we love to see 1072 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,600 it Now Mr Atkinson and what you put your elite athlete hat on 1073 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,640 'cause we got a couple of questions from people we want to 1074 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,400 throw your way. First one, Benjamin Feriff says, 1075 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,040 hey legends love the pod, great listen every week great topics 1076 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,200 to think about while running. Question for Courtney, how do 1077 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,760 you get faster at trail running like 50K events? 1078 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,800 Is it the same as intervals and intervals and thresholds on the 1079 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,920 trails with vertical or how to mix it up? 1080 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,560 And oh, thank you Benny says shout out to Liam. 1081 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,840 Hi, jog past on the border trail this evening looking Ah bloody 1082 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,840 hell Ben. Should have said good day. 1083 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,760 Yeah, like you know what, I'm look, I'll come back to 1084 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,960 something Bens brought up there because I do want to brainstorm 1085 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,880 something with you. But let's ask the Bens question 1086 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,720 first. How do you get better at running 1087 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,080 trails? As opposed we've talked about 1088 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,640 intervals, thresholds, long runs and what they can do for you on 1089 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,160 the Flats. How do you get better at running 1090 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,520 the trails? Well, being 50K, the first thing 1091 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,760 is, you know, it's like any long distance event. 1092 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,160 You just gotta be out there. Running mileage is gonna be key 1093 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,440 in this. But when it comes like running 1094 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,040 on the trails spec, like being specific to the trails is gonna 1095 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,160 help. So if you're gonna do your 1096 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,760 intervals and thresholds, you, you know, generally majority of 1097 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,040 the trail races you're gonna go in are gonna have some type of 1098 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,640 hills. You know, that's the nature of 1099 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,760 when majority of trail races are put on when it comes to how you 1100 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,520 break up the hills and the threshold. 1101 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,440 I mean, I don't do a lot of threshold on the trails because 1102 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,600 it's so hard to control your heart rate when you're going up 1103 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,920 and down different surfaces and everything else. 1104 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,600 But what I do do is when I'm doing kind of like say my 1105 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,680 intervals, I choose to do it more like fart, lick and use let 1106 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,760 the terrain actually dictate my pace, which then becomes more 1107 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,880 specific to a race. So I've talked about doing that 1108 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,000 17 K loop I do where I literally I'll run up the hills at that 1109 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,200 threshold type pace, you know, that kind of race pace I want to 1110 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,200 be at and then float and relax on the downhills. 1111 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,480 Now I might run hills anywhere between a 300 metre hill to a 1 1112 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,240 1/2 kilometre, 1 1/2 kilometre hill. 1113 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,440 Different variances in steepness in that, but you get to mix it 1114 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,040 up as you go. So I like to use the train to 1115 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,200 mix it up for me and that's the beauty of running trails. 1116 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,640 And then it doesn't get boring either. 1117 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,520 Can I just 'cause I reckon Ben is probably closer to me as a 1118 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,920 runner than he is you. And you talk about race pace up 1119 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,200 hills. When I'm out on a trail run, if 1120 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,920 I'm doing that 17 K loop, you're talking about some of those 1121 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,920 hills I can't run up like I, that is a, that is a hike hill 1122 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,440 for me. I can't the idea of, you know, 1123 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,120 trying to explore threshold pace or race pace on that hill, It's 1124 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,560 I can't, I have. To walk, just getting up it. 1125 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,800 Yeah. So is there, is it a case of or 1126 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,040 could you potentially, and this is a perfect example of how 1127 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,160 Courtney always says I can't train someone to run a race if I 1128 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,880 don't understand how to run their pace. 1129 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,040 But if for example, if I'm taking on that 17 K loop and 1130 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,200 that steep particular that steep part around the back, you know 1131 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,640 where I'm talking about, how how could I try and tackle that 1132 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:29,360 differently to improve? Well, you, you power hike with 1133 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,400 power hike up, but so going back to that RPE or knowing like what 1134 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,240 type of intensity you're running at, if you, you know, instead of 1135 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,480 trying to run it at a set pace or trying to keep pace, you want 1136 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,440 to feel how hard you're going. And then each of those hills be 1137 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,240 able to manage that over that distance. 1138 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,560 So if you were running a course, you want to be able to finish 1139 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,800 the last few hills as strong as you've started the first few 1140 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,720 hills. And that's how you get better 1141 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,960 over time on the trails is being able to manage like that 1142 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,520 intensity. You run up and know that early 1143 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,600 on in sessions or in a race, you can be feeling really, really 1144 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,600 easy. You might actually choose to 1145 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,200 purely walk to keep your heart rate down. 1146 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,560 Because the one thing's for sure, and this is gospel, the 1147 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,520 one thing's for sure, in a 50K event, all those longer trail 1148 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,400 events. At some point, it's gonna get 1149 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,560 bloody hard. And at some point, it doesn't 1150 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,960 matter how easy you go out, it doesn't matter how hard you go 1151 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,000 out, you're gonna hit a hill in that race or hit that hill in 1152 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,760 that trading where you're gonna be hurting. 1153 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,280 And the more you can understand how your body feels and reacts 1154 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,000 and learn what that pacing is without all the use of gadgets 1155 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,720 and everything else, the better you're gonna be able to manage 1156 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,000 your pace over that whole that whole race. 1157 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,800 And that, that's what training is used for, right? 1158 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,640 To be able to, I suppose, teach your body and learn from trial 1159 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,360 and error as to what works. And then as you keep doing that, 1160 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,840 you get stronger at the same time. 1161 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,480 The second part of that is intervals. 1162 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,720 I mean, I treat trail intervals the same way as I treat 1163 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,280 intervals on hills on the road. Just pick a, pick a distance, 1164 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,960 pick an intensity, run up and back, recover down and and and 1165 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,520 there you go. I love that. 1166 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,840 I reckon that's a great answer, Ben. 1167 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,320 I hope you get something out of that, mate. 1168 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,120 I'll come back to the other thing about you spotting me on 1169 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,840 the trail. I do want to finish this up with 1170 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,880 a bit of a brainstorm session. Courtney Sammy Way, who's a 1171 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,160 friend, just just. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 1172 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,760 wait up, wait up, wait up. I wanna know, I wanna know. 1173 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,520 Did he spot you on the trail and recognise you from our podcast 1174 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,200 or are you already a star on local breakfast? 1175 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,480 Are you? Have you got? 1176 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,440 Look, let's let's talk about it. Now are there are there banners 1177 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,120 up or have we got any signs up on the Gold Coast yet? 1178 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,720 Do we see your face on the highway? 1179 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,880 The irony is, and I don't know if we're doing any video out of 1180 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,080 this one today, The irony is right now we will. 1181 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,000 I've, I've got a face full of makeup cause I've literally been 1182 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,960 having promo shoots for the radio show today, which are 1183 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,520 gonna end up on buses and bloody billboards around the joints. 1184 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,040 So no, OK question then there. We go, we're not gonna be able 1185 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,920 to run with you anywhere then. Before we get to before we get 1186 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,760 to Sam's question and I do want to get to it. 1187 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,440 I was thinking this and it and it's so funny that Ben has 1188 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,120 messaged in and said he spotted me on the trails because I was 1189 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,240 thinking what we, we're not you and I are not looking to start 1190 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,000 making merch or start, you know, trying to become just another 1191 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,640 one of those buddy run influences thing. 1192 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:32,360 But what I'd love to do genuinely, I want to have a hand 1193 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,680 sign or something so that if I because I love waving at people 1194 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,080 and smiling at people on the trails or tracks or whenever if 1195 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,240 I'm running and I see them, particularly on the trails, I 1196 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,840 love to nod, to smile, to hair, you go, whatever. 1197 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:50,040 I want to have something which says, which indicates in the 1198 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,040 beginning you've been listening to the pod. 1199 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,480 I want some. I don't know what it is, whether 1200 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,040 because you can't give a thumbs up because that's too generic. 1201 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,520 I'd love to come up with it's essentially like a handshake, 1202 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,680 but obviously we're not going to stop and shake hands. 1203 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,440 But I want to come up with something, whether it's the tip 1204 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,960 of the cap, I don't know, to indicate I'm listening to the 1205 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,200 pod. OK, maybe someone can give us an 1206 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,520 idea because I'm blank at the moment. 1207 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,680 Maybe it is the old school hat tip of the cap. 1208 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,600 Maybe it's the old school. Hat off, I'm like. 1209 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,960 Holding the lift of the hat that now there's something if you so 1210 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:36,000 if if you run past somebody on the trails or and there's it's 1211 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,080 too hard on the flats on the main areas, but if you run past 1212 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,200 somebody honest, you know, and there's not a lot of people 1213 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,560 around and you both reciprocate lift of the cap. 1214 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,960 What do you call that? The English would have a name 1215 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,840 for that for sure. Like the old, you know, the old, 1216 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,800 big, big black. Yes, I think the the phrase I 1217 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,960 think and correct me if there's any year old English speakers 1218 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,320 that is to you doth your cap. I doth my cap. 1219 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,120 I doth my cap to you. OK, maybe I'll take that back. 1220 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,760 I don't know if I want the thing going on. 1221 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,880 All right, we'll have a if anyone's got any good ideas, 1222 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,080 though, please send them in because I, I would genuinely 1223 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,840 love. We don't, I don't want to start. 1224 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,040 We're not creating running programmes here. 1225 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,600 We're not trying to take your money. 1226 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,520 But I would love to create something so that people can, 1227 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,320 the community can just acknowledge one another in a 1228 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,840 discreet manner if they bump into each other on the run. 1229 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,280 One more question before we wrap things up in course. 1230 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,520 Yeah, you got to get back to some some sashimi and some sushi 1231 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,320 on the streets of Tokyo. Sam White, friend of the show, 1232 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,240 personal friend of mine who is getting back into his running 1233 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,920 and has has thrown this one in question because we brought it 1234 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,920 up in an episode about calf compression socks. 1235 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,600 Sam wants to know what's the deal with them. 1236 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,200 He actively avoids those people on runs the same way you avoid 1237 01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,240 tourists on Segways. He can't possibly think that it 1238 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,800 helps, but would love to know. Courtney, do they actually do 1239 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,200 anything? Oh man, this is a red flag for 1240 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,920 me. Really. 1241 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:19,320 Yes, yes. I cause in triathlon this was 1242 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,280 such a big thing, you know, people running in calf socks. 1243 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,040 And then I've seen it kind of when trails started booming. 1244 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,320 I've seen it kind of creep into trail a little bit. 1245 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,280 And you know, it came with the fluoro, it came with everything 1246 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,960 else. I think it's overkill. 1247 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,240 I, I believe there is like for years when I travelled and if I 1248 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,680 was like I talked about earlier on, I used to fly up on the red 1249 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,440 eyes here to Japan to race. We would have compression tights 1250 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,000 on every time I'd fly or compression socks. 1251 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,720 It makes sense when you're swelling and look, there is, I 1252 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,960 know there's evidence with compression that you know, it 1253 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,600 does help some maybe recovery. It might help with Isola 1254 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,240 oscillation and muscles and a whole range of stuff. 1255 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,080 But for 99 of us, percent of us, they just look awful. 1256 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,240 It's as simple as that. Oh I'm I'm more than happy to 1257 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,640 take my 1% pain to to not wear compression socks. 1258 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,280 I'm going to show you this is this. 1259 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,320 Well, this is going to be the end. 1260 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,720 You're going to show me a picture of yourself. 1261 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,240 This is going to be the, this is how we end today's podcast, 1262 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,240 right? Because I'm not going to want to 1263 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:28,680 talk to you anymore after this. Now as a mature runner, I do not 1264 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,080 wear compression socks or compression sleeves or anything. 1265 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,120 I just, I just, I do my strength training, I run and I do my 1266 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,960 recovery and I look after my cars because that's what gives 1267 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,960 me problems when I run high volume. 1268 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:48,400 I'm going to show you a photo that's four years old and it is 1269 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,760 of when I first started kind of running longer distances. 1270 01:06:53,800 --> 01:07:01,640 That is what I was wearing. Oh, Liam, Liam in Randwick as 1271 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,320 well. I can see where it was. 1272 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,240 So I'm looking I'm, I'm looking at a picture of fluorescent 1273 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,480 yellow compression socks with, with, with fluoro yellow decals 1274 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,160 on the shoes. I can't see the brand. 1275 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,760 Like they're a pair of they're Essex, they're like that. 1276 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,080 They're knee high. I ran the first time I did UTA 1277 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,520 50. I ran it in those and I was like 1278 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,400 what? It just it hurts after a while. 1279 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,120 They're too tight, you know they. 1280 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,680 Did they not have a black pair or? 1281 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,320 We're, we're very different, Courtney. 1282 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,120 I'm well, look, look at me, look at me. 1283 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,160 You're just I'll just go win the race. 1284 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,040 On that and I need a week just to take that in Liam. 1285 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,200 So on that note, I'll see you around. 1286 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,080 Hey, safe travels. We'll be back in person next 1287 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,520 week. Enjoy the pod, enjoy running. 1288 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:52,120 We'll see you then.