1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,240 Episode 52 in the Beginning Podcasts Courtney Do we count 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,000 this as our birthday? Do we count this as one year or 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 or is next week one year? Oh, I don't know. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Let's just say it's one year. I mean, we're gonna be for two 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,760 weeks. We're on the way. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,920 So neither show is gonna be in person. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,120 But you know what it's we've got, let's just call it a year. 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,520 It's been good. It's been good. 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Let's talk about it off straight off the top. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,000 I am in on the Gold Coast. You are where? 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,119 I am in now. Anyone who goes. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,240 I'm not a big bar. I'm in Bali, but I'm not a big. 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Let's just say I've been to Bali a lot. 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,440 So I'm in Ubud. I'm up in the jungle, up in the 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,600 up in the hills and it's not that warm to be honest. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,120 It's like it's been about 24. I was expecting it to be really 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,360 warm up here, but I did a bit of yoga this morning. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,760 A little bit of yoga. Got any runs in? 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,280 I've been running on the treadmill here because I'm 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,000 literally on the I'm on the side of a Cliff and I run out the 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,440 front of the resort and it's straight uphill. 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,440 I run, I run down. It's like a 2 1/2 K jogging 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,720 loop, they said. But I've just been running. 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,080 There's a good gym here on the Tremor. 25 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:13,760 Had a few runs down on the beach when I first got here, but it's 26 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,360 not great for running. Hey, it's busy, busy, busy. 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,440 There's that big, there's that big event in Bali the they do 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,320 like they've run across the island or something. 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,200 Yeah, really. I'll have to have a look into. 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,080 It it's like an ultra anyway. Hey, can we kick it off today? 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Can we kick off? I want to talk to you about the 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,240 World Athletics Championships, which is going on as we record, 33 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,840 but also Sydney Marathon. It's not too far in the rearview 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,120 mirror. I know we've got Melbourne on 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,320 the runway. I want to kick it off with a bit 36 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:48,720 of marathon chat today because people I think will probably be 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,480 tossing up those that might have missed out on Sydney will be 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,040 looking to 2026 and trying to make the decision as to whether 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,320 or not they want to run Sydney next year as a major. 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Now that it is. The ballot opens for Sydney on 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,000 the 24th. So what's that? 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Tuesday at 10:00 AM. Tuesday, the ballot will open 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,440 for Sydney for next year's race and it closes on the 17th of 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,320 October. So there's a little public 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,840 announcement for the running crew here. 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,640 But I received the email from TCS Sydney Marathon asking me if 47 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,280 I want to go on the ballot. But it gives me, I like this and 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,880 I want to put you to a little test here, Courtney. 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,880 It says 7 days, seven reasons, one ballot. 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Your chance to run this TCS Sydney Marathon starts here. 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,520 Now they've given 7 reasons, 7 selling points. 52 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,480 OK, so you're going to make me guess some. 53 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,640 I want to see if you can get any. 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,440 Before I guess some I want to know why didn't I get an email 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,920 asking me to end of the ballot? I'm a subscriber. 56 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:55,720 I I'm I'm shocking I need to unsubscribe to a lot of emails 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,120 because I just get too many anyway. 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,840 You're you're on the spam list. OK, fair enough fair enough. 7 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,480 reasons OK, like well the number one has to be because there's a 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,000 major. Boom reason #1 Abbott #2 61 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Marathon Majors prestige where the newest name in the greatest 62 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,480 marathon series be part of running history. 63 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,720 That is reason #1 OK. So reason #1 the reason #2 would 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:23,400 be to run in Sydney. I'm going to give it to you. 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,960 Iconic land. Opera House. 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,360 Opera. House Harbour Bridge and finish 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,520 at the iconic Sydney Opera House, so you're 2 from 2:00. 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:38,560 Well done. 2 from 2 OK #3 would be is Kip Chokey coming back? 69 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,280 It doesn't mention any elites or anyone. 70 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,640 Else OK, so like that's my first strike. 71 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Fair enough. Oh my, I'm not actually 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,760 struggling beyond that. What, what would be, what's the 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,120 selling point? Is Sydney? 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Beyond that it's a major it's is it is it got to do with running 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,080 weather? Perfect weather reason #5 on the 76 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,920 list. Enjoy ideal running conditions 77 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,280 made for your fastest, most comfortable run. 78 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Well, I'm going to call them on the fastest run. 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,520 I'm going to call them on the Weather's better on the Gold 80 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Coast 100%. All right. 81 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Oh, mate, here. Look, that's that's about. 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Weather have one more guess. Have one more guess. 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,800 One more guess, OK. What we talk about What are some 84 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,720 of the other things we talk about when talking about what 85 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:34,400 makes running events great? The number of people where have 86 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,120 they called out Running with 30,000 people global. 87 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,680 Running Festival Share the course with athletes from over 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,840 100 countries, all united by one goal. 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,760 Yeah, that was in there as well. Elite and community spirit 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,920 following the footsteps of marathon growth and soak up the 91 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,960 support of an enthusiastic crowd post race celebration. 92 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Reward yourself with Sydney's renowned beaches, world class 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,160 cuisines and local Australian coffee culture. 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,640 And lastly, A souvenir like no other. 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,360 Celebrate your achievement with a beautifully crafted medal that 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,640 embodies the energy and memories of your time in Sydney. 97 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,560 When they're pulling out, the medal is something they're 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,520 stretching. Now that's that's the other 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,840 point I wanted to make. I I like what they're trying to 100 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:16,640 do. I think they could have sold it 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,680 better, like instead of sending me and as and this is the this 102 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,200 is all a part of look, it's a major now. 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,240 It's never going to have any drama selling out. 104 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:33,960 So I don't I I would have simply sent a shit hot 62nd reel, 22 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,800 minute reel if you must saying don't miss it. 106 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,360 Like. You don't need to you don't need 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,440 to give me a, a dot points like you're doing a presentation. 108 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Just send me a reel of Elliot Kipchoge of the Harbour Bridge, 109 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,520 of the Opera House of the 10s, of thousands of and that and and 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,440 just say don't miss it. Yeah, let's be realistic here. 111 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,600 There's only two reasons and they were the first two reasons 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,320 I said that has that gives that marathon any you know, I suppose 113 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,760 step up on anything else you'd talk about. 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,280 I mean, you're going to a big city, you're going to run around 115 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:16,880 major layer. I mean, that's the other one 116 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,040 from an international point of view is that you come to Sydney. 117 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,240 If you, if you're selling to an international as come and see 118 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Sydney, you come and see the Opera House, run around the 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,280 Opera House and it's a world major. 120 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,960 Other than that, I don't think they've got a leg up on any of 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,000 the others in the country. Yeah. 122 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Yeah, yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point. 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,160 Anyway, for those of you that are thinking about Sydney, 124 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,800 missed out on Sydney next year, that's a good heads up that the 125 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,920 ballot will open. I think we said what is it 126 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,400 looking at the data, So I beg your pardon. 127 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,400 The ballot will open Wednesday. So the ballot will open on 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Wednesday. It'll close after 3-4 weeks. 129 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Put yourself in the ballot. You don't want to miss out 130 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Sydney Marathon, it'll be good. Yeah, I say, Liam, I hear the 131 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,880 the new the road to Noosa series is get kicking along. 132 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Well, there's been people reaching out, especially first 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,480 timers. Again, it's interesting that 134 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,040 it's come and said like we just, you know, we're learning stuff 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,840 along the way and appreciate it. Don't get many call, don't get 136 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,720 many mentions or many messages from, you know, too many of us 137 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,720 suppose the upper elites, but we're going to be talking. 138 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,040 I know this is just a little bit of a like I put in it out there, 139 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,320 we will be talking to some of the more elite athletes or the 140 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,200 top end athletes towards the end of the series. 141 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,880 So I'm sure everyone will get something out of all of that. 142 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,440 But in the meantime, beyond that, last time we spoke on our 143 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Saturday, Yep, you were heading off to commentate the Suns verse 144 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Alliance, the the the finals of the AFL Q clash and we got an 145 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,440 absolute toasting, didn't we? On the Gold Coast, yeah. 146 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Look, if you're a Gold Coast Suns fan, B plus for the season. 147 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Season came to an end at the hands of Big Brother up the M1 148 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,680 and the Brisbane Lions. You know, to talk a little bit 149 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,640 of footy for a moment, the Brisbane Lions showed the Gold 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,520 Coast Suns what it takes to play finals football. 151 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 The Fremantle game was the grand final for the Suns if you want 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,080 to think about it that way. They made finals, they won a 153 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,480 final. That's AB plus season. 154 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,680 It won't satisfy the Sun's players. 155 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,600 It won't satisfy the Sun's coaches. 156 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,040 It'll be satisfying from a broader perspective for the 157 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,760 competition, for the club. But this is a club who wants to 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,400 win premierships, who has a list that is capable of getting to 159 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,040 premierships. But what the Lions showed them 160 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,960 is that finals is a different sort of football. 161 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,280 And Josh Dunkley and Cam Rayner in particular also showed 162 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,760 perhaps where the Suns might need to make some improvements. 163 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,240 And that's from a pushing heavy tin in the gym type situation 164 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,160 like Josh Dunkley and Cam Reina old school bullied the sun's 165 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,720 mixture they. Really bust. 166 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Up on them in a big way again, they made they made finals, they 167 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,720 won a final. I, I love finals football. 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,200 For me, getting to call, commentate a game of finals 169 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,320 football is a, is a privilege and and I never take it for 170 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,800 granted despite the result. And everyone kind of said to me, 171 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,480 oh, a bit of a disappointing game was it? 172 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,040 It was a final like, you know that. 173 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Was good. It was a good game. 174 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,160 How did you call? How would how did you? 175 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,320 How was your call? Did you rate your call? 176 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Well, You was A plus. I can never. 177 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,360 What do we give you? I can never really objectively 178 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,480 rate my own commentary. What I will say is that I got to 179 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,240 call for the first time. I I'm really lucky because I get 180 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,240 to call most weeks alongside Simon Black, who has a, has a 181 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,080 footy career, has a footy CV as good as anybody that's ever 182 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 played the game 3 premierships, Brownlow's Norm Smith, best and 183 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,720 fairest, all Australians. This bloke has done it all and 184 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,480 remains one of the most humble, lovely blokes you'll ever make. 185 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,960 If you ever get a chance to spend any time with Simon Black, 186 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,120 you'll, you'll love it. But I also for the first time 187 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,760 got to call alongside Isaac Smith. 188 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,360 And if you're, if you're a footy fan, you know exactly who Isaac 189 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Smith is. If you're not Isaac Smith, 190 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,000 basically premierships at Hawthorn, premierships at 191 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Geelong. Norm Smith is is enormous. 192 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,400 He has done just about everything in the game as well. 193 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,280 And again, one of the great blokes, just the sort of guy 194 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,520 that you could sit down and whether you're on air in 195 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,600 football commentary or not, you could sit alongside and talked 196 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,480 to for hours. I mean, I am a football Nuffie. 197 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,200 And so I probably just bothered him with questions about talk to 198 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,560 me about Buddy Franklin, talk to me about Chris Scott, Alastair 199 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:34,800 Clarkson. I want to hear about all of 200 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,240 them. But yeah, he was, he was fond of 201 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,720 call with. And Jack Evan, who I got to 202 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,520 commentate alongside, is a, is another guy I love commentating 203 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,480 with because I think what my favourite people to work 204 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,480 alongside with realise is that when the call wins, when the 205 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,640 team wins, we all win. Like it's a team sport. 206 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:01,800 Commentary is a team sport. So when when someone else calls 207 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,280 the big moment, well, it's good for you, even if you weren't the 208 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,800 person to specifically call the big moment. 209 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:10,800 Yeah. So no, it was, it was, it was an 210 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,080 awesome experience. And, and look, I hope personally 211 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,680 from a, from a personal perspective, I'd love to see a 212 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,280 Brisbane Hawthorne Grand final. We got prelims to come and 213 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,160 whatever, but I'd love to see the the Lions have to defend 214 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,920 their premiership on grand final day. 215 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,480 Well, that was my question. This the call who are you 216 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,960 calling for the win this year can put you on the spot right 217 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,560 now I'm. Going to back the Lions in. 218 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Let's get as long as it's a Queensland team, yeah, you're 219 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,040 happy. I'm happy over here. 220 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,080 Yeah, now I'm going to back the Lions in. 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,960 I think they showed that despite locking Neil not being there, 222 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 they've they've got enough talent throughout that list. 223 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,400 And and look, Josh Dunkley from mine is just one of the he's 224 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,120 celebrated, but he's still under celebrated for how good he is 225 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,880 and what he brings to to that Brisbane Lions team. 226 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,960 But anyway. So from footy across to world 227 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,040 champs, Yeah, let's talk world. Championships of of athletics 228 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,080 going on at the moment. Have you been watching much of 229 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,840 it? Not a lot, not a lot as you knew 230 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,400 when we were trying to work out how we could catch up for a chat 231 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,520 this week. Liam, I've been, I'm away with 232 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,760 four, four families on holidays. So you can imagine four 233 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,320 families, 4 lots of kids, everyone wanting to do something 234 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,200 different and it's just many. It's like it's actually busier 235 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 and a bigger jigsaw puzzle than being at home. 236 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,360 But no. So I've seen a little bit. 237 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,840 I saw, I mean, I saw Jess Hull, I haven't seen, haven't seen the 238 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,680 result of the protest yet. Yet she has. 239 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,320 She got through. Successful protest she's she's 240 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,840 great Rosa didn't see it she fell in the in the 1st 200 241 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,240 metres of the 800. She was clicked from behind. 242 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,640 She has been given the green light through to the semi finals 243 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,520 so. Off the back of a / 1500 metre. 244 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Bronze medley in the 1500 metre again. 245 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Just how leading from the front for our track and field 246 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,200 athletes. She is just such a star. 247 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,480 She's running so well at the moment. 248 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,000 I love watching her run. She's great to watch. 249 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 And Yep, she sounds like she sucked on a helium balloon when 250 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,960 she does her interviews. But she is she's she's awesome 251 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,640 to watch run. And quickly let's talk gout gout 252 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,680 from Margaret because the hype train. 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,920 This is a 17 year old kid who got through to the semifinals, 254 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,800 finished fourth. So that's as far as he got in as 255 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,520 far as getting to the final, he missed out. 256 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,040 What did you make of that performance? 257 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,800 First world championship 17 years of age makes a semi final 258 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,560 bearing in mind the amount of hype there has been. 259 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,800 You know, literally as we're speaking, I've just opened up 260 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,920 news.com not to actually know I've been following this, but I 261 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,840 just wanted to get the Times right when we spoke about it. 262 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:01,120 And media is so quick just to want to just knock someone down. 263 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Hey, I mean, fourth in the semi final in your first world champs 264 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,400 as a 17 year old ain't too bad. And you look at it this way 265 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,440 like, yes, OK, there maybe have been this underlying expectation 266 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,240 he would come out and blow the, you know, the doors off the 267 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 world final. But the I think this is a great 268 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,320 start. He's got to the semis. 269 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,960 He, you know, he came home down that last straight strong again, 270 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,520 like he raced, held his own. There is a reality. 271 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,600 Let's be real, like the difference in times is 272 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,680 significant. He's got a long he's got a long 273 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,640 way to go, right. And you look at hey, just one 274 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,200 quick one too. Courtney Lindsay, third in that 275 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,480 race, another male Courtney out there. 276 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,600 So let's, let's get, let's get let's I loved because when I 277 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,600 read that one, I was like, oh, here we go. 278 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,040 I've got someone to back me up in this world as well. 279 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,320 But you know, we're talking about half a second here nearly 280 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,200 in difference in pace. It's a fair, it's a significant 281 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,760 amount to the, you know, the top of this field. 282 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,840 So for me, can you talk to us a little bit about it as an elite 283 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,800 athlete? I know you're not a sprinter, 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,080 but that mindset of you were thrust onto the world stage as a 285 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,240 teenager as well. How big? 286 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,600 And again, I'm not asking you to compare sports 'cause you're not 287 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,040 a sprinter, you're a different athlete. 288 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,960 But how can you talk a little bit about the those formative 289 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,600 teenage years and, and kind of what you learned, let's say 18 290 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,200 through 22 or you know what you Gout, gout's going to be 19 next 291 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,760 year or 18 next year by the time the Olympics roll around in. 292 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Sorry, let's jump forward. Imagine that we're going to the 293 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,400 LA Games, which is what in 2028. So let's jump forward three 294 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,120 years, Gout. Gout's going to be 20 years of 295 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,840 age. What did you learn between what? 296 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,440 How did you change as an athlete from 18, when you kind of jumped 297 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,120 onto the world stage as that best Aussie junior, to when you 298 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,520 were 20 years of age? Oh, look, I'm not going to 299 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,800 compare myself to what Gout's going through. 300 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,480 It's a completely, you know, there's levels of sport. 301 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Let's just be completely transparent. 302 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,920 I think there's levels of sport. I mean, if you were going 303 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,920 through this and you were in, you've just been drafted into 304 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,840 the NFL over in the States, you're on another level. 305 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,360 You know, it's track and field is the marquee or one of the 306 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,960 blue ribbon events at the Olympic Games. 307 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,720 You know, it's a major sport and there's a lot of eyes on it. 308 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,240 Then let's just say you've got your professional sports that 309 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,720 are that next level down where you're competing around the 310 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,640 world. But really they're niche sports 311 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,720 where only people who do those sports or invested in those 312 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,280 sports follow. So I was always involved in one 313 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,680 of those sports. So you don't have those 314 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,160 pressures, but you do when you come to an Olympic Games because 315 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,240 suddenly the mainstream media starts looking at all sports, no 316 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,880 matter whether you're, you know, I'm sure if we've got an 317 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,040 Australian ping pong player who's going to nearly win a, you 318 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,560 know, silver medal at the Olympics, the media will be on 319 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,000 them as well. So you do have a weight on your 320 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,480 shoulders. I think with Gout, gout, what 321 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,920 I've really liked to see since that race, but even prior to 322 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,359 that race as he's just stayed, been able to stay really 323 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,280 positive the whole time. I think he's got a pretty 324 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,520 grounded understanding of what's going on at the moment and where 325 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,720 he is. And I'd say behind the scenes to 326 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,640 a degree I would, and this is me not knowing, but I think he's 327 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,000 been able to tune a lot. Someone's on these, like 328 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,080 someone's behind there being able to tell him to be able to 329 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,440 tune a lot of this noise out. And I think that's what he's 330 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,040 going to have to do. But the pressure that comes with 331 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,040 it cannot be understated. And I wouldn't have a clue of 332 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,680 what pressure he's under in his position at the moment because 333 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,680 it would be a unique position where, you know, we just talked 334 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,680 about Jess Hull, right? She's the leader of the team. 335 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,000 She is competing at a medal level and she has done that in 336 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,520 prior Olympics as well. But the realism is the 337 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,760 Australian focus. The public focus at the moment 338 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,840 is 100% on GAOK out and he's got to take that on his shoulders 339 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,080 and I think he's done a great job. 340 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Yeah, for for context, for for people who again, for if you're 341 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,440 not a, a die hard track and field follower, Jess Hull's 28 342 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,880 right. So and, and you, you hit your 343 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,280 peak at different times and all the rest of it. 344 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,960 But get get's got 11 years to mature into the athlete that 345 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,880 Jess Hull has become. You know, 11 years of learning, 346 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,640 11 years of training, 11 years of gaining experience competing 347 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,840 in massive stadiums like the one they're competing in in. 348 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,040 But he hasn't got 11 years, Liam. 349 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,800 That's that is that unfortunately for Gout, that is 350 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,200 the, the reality I think here is he hasn't got 11 years. 351 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,400 I think the expectation is for those performances, not not this 352 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,760 year, but I think the expectation is for those 353 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,360 performances to come, you know, in the next few years. 354 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,680 That's my gut. That's, that's how I read it. 355 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,320 That's how I read the situation and the and the, let's say the 356 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,720 investment. Yeah, OK. 357 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,160 The buy in the investment and everything else I think there 358 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,280 needs to be I don't think you have 11 years to mature. 359 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,360 I think we need, you know for for their expectation will be 360 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,680 results within, you know the coming years. 361 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,920 Is that a good? Is that a like? 362 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,440 I don't know if that's good, but I don't know if that's a good. 363 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,640 Are you saying that expectations being, I can see it being put on 364 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,280 there by media because media, this is what media does. 365 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,120 They write sensationalist headlines to try and get people 366 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,200 to read their stuff and stay on their site. 367 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,080 So the advertiser's benefit, that's how it works. 368 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,320 But are you saying that expectation is coming from 369 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:00,240 sponsors? I'm saying it's a, it's a, it's 370 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,120 360. I think it's coming from from 371 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:06,240 all sides. But I also don't think as a as a 372 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,160 sprinter in his position, you can wait to 28. 373 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,200 I think there needs to be some really, you know, we, I think in 374 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,880 the next few years and I believe he'll, he'll, he'll do it as 375 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,520 well. But there'll be as you know, the 376 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,280 strength comes. You know, there needs to be, you 377 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,240 know, there is expectation around gout that, you know, we 378 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,240 will see results in in the coming years. 379 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,800 I mean, yes, 17, but then also there's nothing to say, you 380 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:39,200 know, in the in early 20s. But look, we're actually having 381 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,200 a discussion. He's just got fourth in the semi 382 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,880 final at the World Championships. 383 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,320 The only reason we're talking about this in a, you know, and, 384 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,320 and in no means in a negative way, but any other sprinter 385 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,240 we've had in Australia, it's just because the, the 386 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,160 expectation is so high of gout And we, we know what he can do 387 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,800 and we believe what he can do. And we're sitting here going 388 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 for, you know, that's the reality, right? 389 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,480 There's kind of a little bit like it. 390 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,680 It wasn't the final, but he's just got fourth in his first 391 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,080 senior World Championships as still a junior competitor. 392 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,160 Like props where props are due. That's pretty solid. 393 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,120 Not pretty solid. That's really solid. 394 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,840 So for for context, to give everyone a bit of comparison, 395 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,200 Usain Bolt, when he won the 100 and the 200 in Beijing was 22. 396 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,560 When he set his world record, which still stands today at 397 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,600 9.58, he was 23. And then he kind of continued to 398 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,840 dominate the sport through 2016 when he was 30. 399 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,520 So that's that's kind of an age bracket demographic for someone 400 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,960 who's been gout. He's copying the comparisons 401 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,840 along the way because of what he's the times he's posting. 402 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,320 But when you're looking at development and that the time 403 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,360 frame versus age and all the rest of that for performance 404 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,360 against you saying he became the best in his sport at 22 and he 405 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,200 was still the best in his sport at age 30. 406 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,360 So we had an 8 year window in which he dominated and beyond. 407 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Even just in this conversation, as I'm talking through it, my, 408 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,280 I've even just changed my tune a whole lot from the beginning 409 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,880 when I was looking at the times, yeah, you know, because I was 410 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,480 going, oh, it's a it's a long way away, but you know, just the 411 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,640 reality, like it's still a fourth in a semi final. 412 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,600 He's in the mix of the best sprinters of the world already 413 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,800 as a junior, as a 17 year old, like, yeah, I, it's I'm, I'm 414 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,320 just excited. And he's handled himself from 415 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,600 everything I've seen, he's handled himself really well. 416 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,880 So that's all that can be expected. 417 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,680 Yeah, yeah, well said. Quickly, Here's a fun one just 418 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,480 before we move on from GAT GAT, and we should say I don't want 419 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,520 to under dismiss it. Tory Lewis's performance on the 420 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,840 women's side of it, yes, equally impressive, also finished fourth 421 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,160 in the 200 semi finals for on a women's sprinting side of 422 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,880 things, really exciting World Championships for her because 423 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,560 she continues to grow. She's 2021 but she's on a 424 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,040 similar, not probably with as much fanfare as gout, but 425 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,320 certainly really exciting for women's sprinting and Australian 426 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,400 sprinting. Courtney Atkinson What's the 427 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,960 shortest distance you could beat Gout Gout over? 428 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,200 Zero. No. 429 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,800 No, no, the shortest distance. What, what? 430 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,000 What do you mean? Like where? 431 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,840 Where right at the moment? At what point do you? 432 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,840 That's a good question. Beat Gout Gout At what distance 433 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,800 do you Courtney beat Gout in a race? 434 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,840 I don't, I actually don't know what he's training. 435 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,800 I, I have heard nothing about how he trains in the offseason. 436 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,560 I've heard in the past around sprinters, there are some 437 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,200 sprinters that train in repetition of hundreds over, you 438 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,720 know, like maybe 10-1, hundreds on cycles just to get some type 439 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,440 of base running or whether he is just pure Sprint performance. 440 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,560 I'm going to take a stab at 800. What? 441 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,400 Do you know what your best 400 was? 442 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,400 Do you have a rough time? Actually, I'm going to take, I'm 443 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320 going to, I'm going to step back and leave and say not 800 444 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,760 because I reckon he could go a 400 and then walk another 100, 445 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,280 sorry, walk another 400 and still be ahead. 446 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,880 I've I've got his 400 time from this season. 447 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,000 Oh, his 400 is going to be quick. 448 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Yeah, but I'm just trying. What would your 400 be? 449 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,400 When? Was the last time you ran a 400? 450 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,320 I would break if I ran a 400 Liam at any. 451 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,880 So Gout Gout's 400 time this season is a 4620. 452 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,640 It's just bloody. I, I haven't got it. 453 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,480 I'd have to look it up. Can you? 454 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,880 I'm tipping that's pretty good in Australia still. 455 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,640 Like what's your what's your best K do you reckon? 456 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,360 You're asking questions of a crap runner, Liam, at these 457 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,040 distances. I'm. 458 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,520 Asking you if you maxed out over 1 kilometre. 459 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,560 Right at the moment I couldn't run a kilometre fast. 460 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,000 I would break. So you're asking it's asking 461 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,200 theoretical questions that I'm not I'm not willing to answer. 462 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,160 Courtney, this is a hypothetical exercise because honestly, I 463 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,200 think from like if we want to do the same exercise for me. 464 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Let's do it for you, because you're not. 465 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,200 Going to have to it's we're talking 10K before I even get 466 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,800 close to gout because I don't know if he's if what endurance 467 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,560 his base he's got. But that's, I say, let's not ask 468 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,160 the questions of how quick you're running. 469 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600 Let's ask the question. The question then we should be 470 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,560 asking is how far do you think Gout Gout can run? 471 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520 Because at the point he can't run anymore and stops to walk. 472 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280 It's at that crossover point where we start to maybe be able 473 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,920 to beat it. Because I think as a pure 474 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,480 sprinter, yeah, there's a point where Gout Gout decides I don't 475 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080 run any further than this. Yeah, well, because they used to 476 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,760 be used to your stories about Usain Bolt refusing to run 400 477 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,400 metres. This is where I'm going with it. 478 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,520 I know. And that's why I said 800 479 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,240 initially. But then I thought he's a young 480 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,120 guy, he might, he might come from that school of training 481 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,280 where they do repetition one hundreds to build base in the 482 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,800 early season. So I'm not even going to try. 483 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,120 And you know, I'm not going to get called out here, Liam. 484 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,600 I'm going to put myself in positions that I am going to 485 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,920 talk shit, and that's what we're talking. 486 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:24,120 I'm gonna say Courtney Atkinson starts beating Gout after 1500 487 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,200 metres. 1500 might be a a more logical. 488 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,960 I reckon I don't. Think, I don't think Gout's 489 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,400 gonna. Gout's gonna want to run much 490 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,080 more than 1500. No. 491 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,640 And look, this is the great thing about this is this race is 492 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,320 never happening. It's not. 493 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,640 So unless the art wants to saddle up and take you over 1500 494 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,160 metres, This is purely A hypothetical exercise. 495 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,920 But I've been thinking about it a bit because you often, you 496 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,200 know, watching these other athletic events and seeing the 497 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,560 sprinters and seeing the speed that they run in. 498 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,040 And then when you start to extrapolate it and you think 499 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,720 about the pace that these marathon runners now running it, 500 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,480 it's it's not that dissimilar. Like, you know, you break down 501 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,640 the 400, the marathon world record pace into 100 metre 502 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480 segments and I think they're running their hundreds in like 503 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,920 1314 seconds. Yeah. 504 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:26,080 But this is very dissimilar because there's a 46 second 400. 505 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,760 Yeah, is very different to, yeah, I guess some of those, I 506 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,920 suppose some of the distance runners come home, you know, 507 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,560 they can come home in 50 to 50. I'm not going to like, I'm not a 508 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,760 cross track close enough to be making these time calls. 509 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,160 Well, let's let's talk about now the marathon at the World 510 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Championships, which for those that didn't see it, imagine you 511 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,000 are there at the end of 42 kilometres and then you have to 512 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,680 have a Sprint finish, which results in a photo. 513 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,400 That's how close the men's world championship race was. 514 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,360 It was literally Germany's Amanal Petros and Felix Simbu of 515 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Tanzania were given the same time. 516 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,880 It was a photo. It was a dip at the line after a 517 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,680 marathon. Crazy. 518 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,360 Yeah, I mean crazy scenes. It looked, I saw, I didn't watch 519 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,480 the race, but I've seen some of Tim Vincent say so the Aussies 520 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,360 were in there, you know, they're up early and I've seen just 521 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,160 looking at some of the photos of how drenched they look and how 522 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,960 hot it must have been and how hard a race it must have been. 523 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,040 She said. It was, it was a tough one. 524 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,800 The times definitely weren't fast. 525 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,680 But that's a world championship too, right? 526 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800 It's about, it's about places. It's not about time. 527 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400 And I think that's it's always good watching the world champs 528 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,760 because it isn't one of those marathons. 529 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240 It's a pure, you know, race for medals. 530 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480 And this was one of the best probably they've had when you 531 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,000 get a finish like that. Can you, you've, you've raced 532 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,600 and you've done a few things in Japan. 533 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,160 What's what's the what's the running culture like there? 534 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,960 Running culture. I mean, we've probably touched 535 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,560 on this a little bit. Running culture in Japan is like 536 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,960 no other. When I spent, I mean, more 537 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,400 recently back in my triathlon earlier days when I was racing 538 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,080 for New Balance Japan. So, you know, I was up there, I 539 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400 was running for the teams, I was running for the, for the 540 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840 organisation. I've been into the offices in 541 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Tokyo. You know, the fact that they 542 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,880 actually had an international team to come in to race in Japan 543 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,960 tells you a little bit about the scope of you know how big not 544 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280 just running, but triathlon sport was in in Japan. 545 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,720 But these days, I mean, when you look at all the Echiden, you 546 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,720 look at all of the collegiate or the college type systems of 547 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720 running. But even if you just look at the 548 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,440 pure base of like recreational running and what it means to 549 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840 Japanese. But then I also go back and what 550 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200 I love more than anything in Japan is the school based 551 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320 running. The fact that in every morning 552 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,840 there is some type of structured system where running is a part 553 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,520 of of running as a part of Japanese discipline. 554 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,800 That's for how I'd like to put it like. 555 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,360 That. Yeah, it is part of, you know, 556 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,880 there's a physical element to it, but there's also there's a 557 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,840 mental element of getting out there exercising, but as part of 558 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200 a group. Even the drills are done part as 559 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,520 a part of a group and it's teaching the right values as 560 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,560 well as running. So here in Australia, I'd say 561 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,480 we've got a great culture now of, you know, we're seeing lots 562 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,160 of people getting out and running, we're seeing people 563 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,840 getting out as groups and everything else. 564 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480 But what I haven't seen in Australia is that translate to 565 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,640 kids. We're still in a A phase in 566 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200 Australia where I'm seeing at least at a school level where 567 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,520 kids are more likely to be given a choice whether they 568 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920 participate in a school cross country. 569 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:11,960 OK, Then actually making structured running as part of 570 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,400 like a structure or a discipline of or giving them the right 571 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600 tools to make, not just running because we don't expect everyone 572 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,480 to continue to run for the rest of their life. 573 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,240 But I think it's a great way running is the, let's call it 574 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,520 the base moderator that every single kid can get out and 575 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760 participating in some shape or form. 576 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680 And I would say here in Australia, from what I'm seeing 577 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,040 at a base level, we're going the opposite way to that, rather 578 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,920 than actually going the way of trying to encourage everyone to 579 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880 get out there and participate in that run. 580 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,920 Can you say a bit more about going the opposite way? 581 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,000 What do you mean? Well, the opposite way, I mean, 582 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,480 is, is like some of the school, younger schools I'm hearing, is 583 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,240 instead of having cross, you know, a cross country where 584 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,000 there's always been a place where every kid, it's one of 585 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,560 those events that every kid gets on the start line together and 586 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,480 runs across country. You can jog it. 587 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760 You can. Yeah, whatever else there's. 588 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,960 Yeah, I'm hearing, you know, and not just hearing. 589 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400 I know this is happening at school, primary schools at the 590 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600 moment. We're in a stage where they're 591 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,240 giving kids an option. You can either go and go in the 592 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920 cross country race or we'll put on over here. 593 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Over here, you can go and you know, walk or participate in 594 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,400 this other race when you start giving options for kids. 595 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,840 And we want to, we started here comparing it to a Japanese 596 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,240 system. Once you start giving kids an 597 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,080 option, an easier option, and you're a young kid, you're going 598 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,880 to take the easier option, you're going to join your. 599 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000 So it's a culture where we're giving kids an option and they 600 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,720 go and join their friends to take the easy option. 601 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,920 And that's I'm going to say it right. 602 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,120 It's not the right way to go. I've just had a bit of an issue 603 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,480 with my microphone. I'm back on. 604 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,800 You got me great. You're back on. 605 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,080 Did you hear all that or you just chose not to listen? 606 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,040 Did you choose not to listen to me, Liam? 607 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,520 No, no, no, I heard it all and I totally agree. 608 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,120 And I love, I think that my favourite thing about what you 609 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,080 just said then at the very beginning was the idea of 610 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640 running culture. And you're right, because the 611 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,400 running culture here in Australia is it's the boom week. 612 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,800 That's the reason we have this podcast is because you and I 613 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280 love running. We're seeing it grow, but it's 614 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,240 interesting to note you don't see that level of development at 615 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,520 the entry level, as it were, for under ages. 616 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160 So what does that mean for our running culture 20 years from 617 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,520 now? I mean, we can't predict. 618 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,880 We can only hope that it starts to revert back to what it has 619 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,960 been. Well, I also think they're two 620 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,200 different things, like we're seeing a boom in that kind of, 621 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,520 you know, let's say young 20 year olds getting in and driving 622 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040 a lot of this marathon and run clubs and everything else. 623 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600 So that doesn't have to be driven from running as a child 624 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,600 or as a younger kid. But we've had, and this isn't 625 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,120 like, let's just not say this is all schools because I've, I hear 626 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080 of some great programmes in schools and I don't know the 627 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,320 exact programme name for it. So sorry. 628 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,719 But where they certain PE teachers have a vested interest 629 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,360 in trying to get kids to be fit and be active. 630 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,280 And they come down to the school in the morning, they do laps, 631 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719 they record it, they reward them. 632 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,360 There's challenges. And you know, these are, there's 633 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,159 some great activities out there that drive not just running, but 634 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:34,719 just physical availability and participation, participation. 635 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,920 Yeah. However, I'm just going on the 636 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,960 rant here that there is a slide at the moment in juniors at 637 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,679 schools where when you give kids a choice, of course most 638 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,880 children are going to want to go and join in with their friends 639 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,120 and have fun and choose the easy option. 640 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,600 And sometimes it's not always the easy option that's the best 641 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,440 for children. I like it. 642 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,720 It is. That is food for thought, 643 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,160 Courtney. Maybe you could become maybe. 644 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,000 Here we go. Here's what here's. 645 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,080 I'm always good for one of these every couple of episodes, 646 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,760 Courtney. It is 1/2 thought out idea. 647 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,760 Remember when Jamie Oliver revolutionised school dinners? 648 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,040 He went on that big campaign, big crusade documentaries. 649 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,400 Made about it. Because he wanted to change the 650 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,560 way school dinners were being done, he wanted to bring greater 651 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,680 nutritional value into the schools in throughout the UK. 652 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,360 Courtney Atkinson does this for running in schools. 653 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,360 It's a campaign designed to get schools to work that little bit 654 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,880 harder to make kids run. Oh, Liam, I, you know the thing. 655 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Liam, it's a great idea. I just got a feeling I might be 656 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,280 a little bit too hard. Line to deal with the schools To 657 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,160 deal with the schools. Hold on, if the if the slide is 658 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,360 going away, maybe hardline is what you need. 659 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,720 Maybe it's not cuddles and warm feelings. 660 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,040 Maybe it is a little bit a little bit less everybody gets a 661 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,200 medal, a little bit more SAS Australia. 662 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,440 Maybe that's the the you know, it's a redress the balance. 663 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,120 And if if we care about running culture and the health and 664 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600 Wellness of our kids, maybe the hardline Atkinson is the way. 665 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,120 I have a hard line. Yeah. 666 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160 Bring it, bring it back. I'm all for it, Liam. 667 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Hey, while we're just talking about schools, because like, I 668 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,560 know there is a lot of parents who listen to us as well and 669 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,960 there's always two sides, but let's call out some great things 670 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440 that go on. One of the in Australia at the 671 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,600 moment, up in North Queensland, cross country is what it was 672 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,440 when, you know, 20-30 years ago. Cross country, still a major 673 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,360 sport up around the Cairns area, down a bit South of Townsville. 674 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,560 And I don't know what it is. What is the difference between 675 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,240 regional Australia and what the difference is between metro 676 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,560 Australia. And there's whether they've just 677 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680 it's an easier access to the outdoors, whether it's kids are 678 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,480 a little bit more free in the outdoors, I'm not sure. 679 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,080 But cross country up there, parents still drive, you know, 680 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,720 major distances. Schools really when the cross 681 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,520 country primary school competitions up in that area, 682 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,280 it's still a big thing. The kids love it, They 683 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,400 participate. And I, I love seeing that. 684 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,920 I want to see a more of that in metro. 685 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,280 That's the first thing. The second thing is there are 686 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,800 some PE teachers out around the schools in in Australia, not 687 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,120 just Queensland, who still do some amazing things with kids 688 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160 outside of just their normal PE classes, so they deserve a 689 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,200 massive shout out because there's some really good ones 690 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,720 around. Yeah, nice, nice, very nicely 691 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,160 said. So can I talk about my running 692 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040 for a moment of? Course you can. 693 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:55,080 I need, I think I've been guilty of something you mentioned very, 694 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,560 very early on in the podcast. Do you recall when you talked 695 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,760 about your experience of having somebody run on your shoulder 696 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080 when you were going, you were going along the front of the 697 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,360 surfers main beach area and somebody just you were going not 698 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,760 on a temp or anything, you were just crying for a cruise and 699 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,960 suddenly you found this bloke rolling on your shoulder. 700 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:22,480 Last week I had plans to go out for a cruising 90 minute run 701 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,920 just out from my place. I was in my Adidas Boston 12. 702 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,640 So a bit of the carbon rods are in there. 703 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,600 So a. Bit racy a little racy A. 704 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,040 Bit racy but wasn't planning on anything too dramatic. 705 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,840 I was literally planning on rolling around at sort of five 706 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,440 minute pace, went down to rolled out from my place, got down to 707 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,560 sort of cool and gather area, jogged out on the one of the 708 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,360 groynes there, the rock groynes and and took a little picture 709 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,080 looking back. Beautiful spot and then started 710 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,600 heading for home. Now it was on the way back I 711 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,480 noticed this fella who'd started running. 712 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,640 I was probably 6-7 KS into my run when he'd started running 713 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,280 just in front of me and then I'd gone out on the Rockwall, turned 714 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,560 around and I saw he was there again and I was running, still 715 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,560 rolling at about 5 minute pace. And then I sort of got up to him 716 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,920 and he kind of speed up a bit and so I sort of went 717 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,000 accelerated a little bit. Next thing you know, I've gone 718 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600 past him. But suddenly I looked down and 719 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,240 I'm running at about 4:40 fives and I thought I'm running a bit 720 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,480 quicker here and I looked at my shoulder and he was still there 721 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,160 and I thought I'll go a bit quicker again. 722 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,760 And then suddenly I look down and I'm running four 30s and 723 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,120 he's still on my shoulder. And then I was thought, well, 724 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,920 this, this is destroying my plan for my 90 minute run. 725 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,000 And I thought, bugger it, the next K was 404 pace. 726 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,160 And he's stuck. Still on my shoulder, the next 727 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:05,800 Ki was running sub 4 pace still there and at that point I'm 13 728 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880 1/2 KS into the run. Am I? 729 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,880 And I just turned off down the sights because what am I doing? 730 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,960 Why? Why am I racing an anonymous guy 731 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,440 at at it? I think it was a, it was a it 732 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,640 was about 6:30 on a Sunday night. 733 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,280 I'm like what? Why am I having a a race an 734 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,400 unplanned race with a stranger at 6:30 at night when I'm doing 735 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,120 sub 4 minute pace for no race? He just wanted to tap you on the 736 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,480 shoulder to tell you your shoelace was undone and you 737 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,000 didn't catch her. I but I always say the easiest 738 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,400 one of that, I just stop for AI, stop for a drink, but then the 739 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,640 problem occurs. They stop at a bubble up, but 740 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,440 then the problem occurs, they slow down and then you run back 741 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,120 up to them. You kind of have to face the 742 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120 same problem. No, but it was, it was actually 743 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,840 I got. I had a really like again. 744 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,280 I got home and I hadn't, I think I ended up running for an hour, 745 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,840 5 S 25 minutes shorter than I'd planned, but I'd given myself a 746 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,400 bit of a workout because I ran much quicker than I'd planned. 747 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,320 And I got home and I had a big smile on my face and I was like 748 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,760 my wife said to me, why are you smiling? 749 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,320 I'm like, I just had a really fun run. 750 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,920 Like it was, it wasn't the run I planned, but it was still a 751 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,880 really fun hour or so running around and in the end getting 752 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,440 in, you know, we talk about kids and running and racing and it's 753 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,520 still running's fun. Like racing people is fun even 754 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,240 at 41 years of age. Racing Stranger along the the 755 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,880 front the ocean way was really good fun for the three or four 756 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,400 KS. Until it, until it wasn't. 757 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,800 Yeah, until I was knackered. You know what? 758 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,920 You know what is that your running? 759 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,360 Yeah. And basically since then I've 760 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,600 been rolling, I've been recovering. 761 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920 I'm I'm running good. But I'm also, I will say this 762 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,040 quickly, I am being very pragmatic about the fact that 763 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,240 I'm hovering it around 50 KSA week at the moment and 764 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,680 intentionally not increasing my load beyond that because I'm not 765 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,440 doing the strength training. Courtney, I haven't been doing 766 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,960 strength training and I know from previous experience this is 767 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,120 when I get injured. So I actually went in and spoke 768 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,600 to some people at the gym on Friday and I am planning on 769 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,120 getting into a new gym from next week because I want to up my 770 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,280 load and start start running more. 771 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,560 But I know if I do it without the strength training, that's 772 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,080 when the calf injuries. Turn up again. 773 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,880 Beautiful, beautiful. Well, I'm going to I mean 774 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680 running, running. I've been running around and not 775 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,840 much up here. Well being on holidays, just 776 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,080 just ticking over to make sure I get back and keep everything in 777 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,560 in tune. But what I did get up to before 778 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,960 I left. Shout out to Ryan Kelso #1 fan. 779 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,120 Great man. So I made a quick 10 hour trip 780 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,880 drive. Don't mind a drive but made a 781 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,920 trip down to Armadale and caught up with our with Ryan had. 782 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,480 Brentwood fan in the podcast. Met met face to face, had a 783 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,080 chat, found out a bit about him, picked up a motorbike while I 784 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,560 was in town. That was amazing. 785 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,320 That was the reason reason down there are. 786 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,560 Those that aren't following this is The Creator, the band that is 787 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,560 bringing the Armadale Running Festival back to life in March 788 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,640 next year. Yeah, with big plans. 789 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440 So we chatted about that too. So shout out to the Armadale 790 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,040 running festival. What's going to go on Family 791 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,200 friendly is what I'll say. That's the the main goal there. 792 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,640 Make sure everyone comes in, comes in from, you know, around 793 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,000 the different towns and you know, create a really good 794 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,760 family vibe there. But first time down in Armadale 795 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,280 around a small town, what I think, didn't realise that it's 796 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,320 so high. There's a lot of national parks 797 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440 on the road going in there. So I think it's a place that I 798 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,400 could go and explore a a little bit more. 799 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,160 There's definitely plenty of land. 800 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040 I can see why there'd be some good running up there. 801 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,480 You're at a bit of elevation too. 802 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,040 So I think in the morning I drove down, I left the Gold 803 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,200 Coast and it was, you know, it's just a normal morning, whatever 804 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,600 it was, 20° or whatever. And I quickly just checked 805 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,960 should I take a jumper or not -7 sorry -.7 down there. 806 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,560 So under, yeah, freezing. And it was a cool morning in 807 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,040 town. But what I wanted to say was, 808 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,760 you know, when you haven't met someone, you know, we've, we've, 809 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480 we've obviously chatted from the beginning of early days in the 810 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,520 pod and everything else. Exactly what I expected. 811 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,320 Exactly what I expected. Good Aussie bloke, you know, 812 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,320 help, couldn't you know, he's obviously reached out to us a 813 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,200 fair bit and couldn't be more helpful and just, you know, just 814 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,320 wanting the best for everyone. So shout out Ryan. 815 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,640 It was great to catch up. But what, what did happen Liam? 816 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,480 And you missed out here. I saw you. 817 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,360 You would have missed a FaceTime call. 818 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440 I think I did miss a FaceTime. Call while I was in, yeah. 819 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,800 So Ryan was nice enough to offer you face. 820 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960 Timing me. We've talked about you with a 821 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,240 push bike. Ryan was. 822 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,080 He's bloody nice enough to offer you a push bike for free, 823 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,680 wasn't? And all you had to do was pick 824 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,160 up the phone. Pick up the phone. 825 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,400 Look, here's what I'll say about that, Ryan, thank you. 826 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,320 But I'm not doing Noosa this year. 827 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,240 So the bike, the bike is, is staying on the shelf in the 828 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,080 garage at the moment. There's no need for me to get on 829 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,480 a bike because I'm not competing at Noosa this year. 830 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,680 So, but look, look, it's I'm glad you got down to see Ryan 831 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,240 and, and look for anybody out there that is around that 832 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,240 Armadale area, Armadale running festival March next year. 833 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,520 Get on board because it when I, I think when someone goes to the 834 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,480 effort to create or to bring something like that back to life 835 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,720 or, or to start it anew, you'll want to see the running 836 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,680 community get around it and support it. 837 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,520 And and then you get to tell people there you were there for 838 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,080 the first, first one ever. So big shout out to Ryan. 839 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,680 Question for you Courtney Atkinson. 840 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,160 Should I register for 100 mile race? 841 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,120 Why not? So. 842 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600 But you know my answer to anything that you asked Liam, 843 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,360 it'll be like, yeah, of course, go for it. 844 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,200 So UTA in the Blue Mountains, UTA, Australia the. 845 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,640 So you're talking 160 K 160. They are adding for the first 846 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,720 time next year the Oh no, they did it this year. 847 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,080 They did it this year. No, no, they did it this year 848 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:38,480 too. They. 849 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,480 Did it this year so it's the second time and you know my mate 850 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,640 Ed who I raced, Yep Red Bull defiance with I dragged him onto 851 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,840 UTA 50. I have turned this bloke into a 852 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,920 full blown endurance Nuffy who has now run UTA 100 and he sends 853 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,200 me a text Tuesday of the week just gone saying with his 854 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,640 registration that he is now registered for the UTA Mila for 855 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120 next year. It's a big step. 856 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,640 It's a big step to go from 50 straight up to the 160. 857 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,240 Talk, talk you've. Got to treat it like an 858 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,720 adventure though, Liam, here's me talking like, you know, just 859 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,960 they do it every weekend, but. That's my kind of feeling about 860 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400 it, because initially on the surface, 100 miles, my brain 861 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,760 goes no. And then I think back to how I 862 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,080 felt doing the 50K, how I felt when I went on that trail run a 863 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,400 couple of weeks ago with Rosie, how I felt when I did Defiance, 864 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,720 how I felt when I've done any of these endurance challenges. 865 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:54,800 And like, you can never train yourself to run 160 kilometres, 866 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,240 100 miles, but you can train your body to get strong enough 867 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,640 that you could survive it. Yeah. 868 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:08,200 Oh well, you know, if you're going to run A100160. 869 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,480 What's the difference? Well, there's a big difference. 870 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,800 I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure there's, there's a lot of people 871 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,400 going. There's a, there's a big 872 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,240 difference, Liam. But what I'm saying is, yeah, if 873 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,520 you're going to go, if you're going to go in, why not go all 874 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,840 in? I'm kind of thinking I might 875 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,040 make some enquiries to. It's easy to say when you're 876 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,480 sitting on the couch when you're sitting on the couch, isn't it? 877 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,800 It's very easy to throw these ideas around when I'm sitting on 878 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,680 sitting at home, yeah. You know, I'm talking about 160. 879 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,320 So off the back of UTMB, obviously Ruth Croft and Tom 880 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,680 Evans as the winners and they had they both have the same 881 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,000 coach who does a lot. You know, from my understanding, 882 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,760 the coaching philosophy is the all of this uphill running. 883 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640 So they do, you know, compared to the normal running training 884 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,720 for a marathon, they add in a like rocking. 885 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,640 So, you know, lifting weights, lift when I say lifting weights, 886 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:13,080 carrying weight uphill and doing a lot of, you know, specific 887 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,080 strength training to a course, getting those, you know, 888 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,520 specific muscle groups ready for what they're going to encounter 889 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,520 in the races, the train and all of that. 890 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,000 Reading a little bit and hearing a little bit about that, just 891 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560 because I was interested after the race, the fact that both of 892 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,640 them won and they both came from the same coach that that got my 893 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,160 interest straight away. So they're doing a little bit 894 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,440 deep diving. I did nearly I did try of all 895 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,320 things, half of my kind of reasoning. 896 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,840 I'll go on a 10 hour drive or return drive to Armidale was I 897 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,080 had plans to listen to the audio book uphill training by that 898 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,480 coach. Now I got through about, I 899 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,400 reckon I got through about 8 minutes trying to do this audio 900 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,960 book on the on the car radio or on Spotify. 901 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,160 Yeah, couldn't do it. Why? 902 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,720 What was what I. Can listen to podcasts until the 903 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:12,760 chaos come home but tried to listen to an audio book really 904 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,520 on this drive just no no way. So I just got a summary off Chat 905 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,160 cheated. That was easier. 906 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,040 But yeah I don't know why. Anyone out there who listens to 907 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,000 audio books give me the reason. Like that was my first attempt 908 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,160 and it didn't go well at all. Well, at all. 909 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,040 Base, it's interesting you mentioned that uphill training 910 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,960 and uphill running and rocking because I think I've found if I 911 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,240 do decide to sign up to this and obviously Narang is, is perfect 912 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,920 training ground for this sort of stuff. 913 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,520 I think I've found an alternative as well. 914 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,880 And I know you know this place. Boomerang Farm. 915 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,880 Yeah, yeah, I know, Boomerang. I went out to Boomerang Farm for 916 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,520 the first time the other day. I For those that don't know it 917 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,080 is it's sort of 10 minutes off the. 918 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080 It's on the way that anyone who's in endurance, it's on the 919 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,440 Gold Coast, it's on the way to Springbrook, it's on the right 920 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,800 as you're heading out to Springbrook, you're on. 921 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,800 Your way out to the waterfalls, it's on the right hand side 922 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,640 there and it's sort of it's, it's this, it's an amazing 923 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,080 little spot. It does, it's got incredible set 924 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,800 up for weddings. It does 200 weddings a year. 925 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,040 It's got a nine hole golf course and it's got these mountain bike 926 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,840 trails. It's a mountain bike park, which 927 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,160 is why you and I've talked about it before, but I went out there 928 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,000 for the first time the other day and I met the new big boss. 929 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,280 It's got new owners and they're looking to revitalise it and, 930 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,160 and, and sort of bring some new people to it and, and just grow 931 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,600 awareness about it because I don't think a lot of people know 932 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,040 about it unless you're a very keen mountain biker. 933 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,360 But the, the big boss of the joint of the joint, Luke took me 934 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,280 for a drive on the ATV around the whole property and I got to 935 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,520 see a lot of it. And it was funny though, because 936 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,280 he was talking about the mountain biking and he said 937 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,920 before I'd seen any of the tracks, he's like, yeah, it's 938 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,680 pretty, pretty full on mountain biking. 939 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,360 You know, we have, we sort of have 4:00 to 5:00 ambulance 940 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,560 visits every weekend. And, and then he started driving 941 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,520 me around and I was looking at it and I'm, I said to him, I'm 942 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,920 not a mountain biker and this looks far more advanced than 943 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,360 anything I could even comprehend. 944 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,960 But I was looking at it as a trail runner and thinking, oh, 945 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,760 it's probably almost too steep to really trail run. 946 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,680 But as you talk about uphill running and rocking, it would be 947 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,600 amazing for that if you threw on a pack that weighed anything and 948 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,320 started grinding your way up the trails there. 949 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,440 Yeah, yeah, it's an amazing place out out there, Liam. 950 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,120 Like, I mean, well before the mountain bike trails existed, it 951 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,520 was the golf course out there. You'd literally going to play 952 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,000 with Kangaroos all day. Yeah, You know, you're a little 953 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,240 bit off the coast, so it's a magic place to go. 954 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:02,440 But all that mountain bike area, it's it's pretty much shuttles. 955 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,800 So like it's downhill mountain biking, dirt jumps. 956 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,000 It's not really the place I hang out as far as that, but one of 957 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,960 the Red Bull riders, Remy Morden, did a yeah. 958 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560 Like if you ever if anyone thinking what the hell are these 959 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,920 two boys talking about, just Google Remy Morton Boomerang 960 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,880 Farm and he did a they built a special line or like route down 961 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,000 there for this one film piece and you'll get to see what it's 962 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,640 all about. Like, you know, massive big 963 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,960 wooden wall rides and everything else. 964 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,280 It's don't know about trail running out there. 965 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920 I reckon we could we definitely could do an event there. 966 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,640 I don't know about a training location though. 967 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,680 Yeah, I think it might get a bit tricky. 968 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,040 Can we talk a little bit of shoe jargon for a moment? 969 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,840 You want to talk a bit of gear? Yeah, for sure. 970 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,480 What do you got? Shoes. 971 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,120 So Nike, there's this new thing that I've read about in Tempo 972 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,400 Journal and obviously Tempo Journal is something of a Bible 973 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,000 from an Australian running perspective. 974 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,440 They do. I think they do a great job. 975 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,200 I love reading their stuff and they have written about and 976 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,640 obviously it's something they're invited to, but they've unveiled 977 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,320 it. It's 9. 978 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,280 Nike has a new road running framework called 9 Box. 979 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,520 Have you heard about this? I hadn't heard the name 9 box, 980 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,680 but I know about, you know, obviously there's 33 variants of 981 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,160 shoes 3 three different pillars. You know, they're, they're 982 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,720 simplifying, simplifying how you choose your shoe and to what 983 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,400 preferences you have. Now, I like this because, and 984 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,120 that's exactly what it is. It's a basically, if you think 985 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,920 of a three by three grid, that's essentially what Nike's 9 box 986 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,880 concept is. We'll get to it in a moment the 987 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,520 the variance within it. But I like this from Nike 988 00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,360 because we've seen it. Nike probably isn't the shoe 989 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,440 powerhouse from a running perspective that it was maybe 990 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,680 even 5-10 years ago. I think like don't get me wrong, 991 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:16,280 Nike's doing fine, but you know, we've seen more and more the 992 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,800 trend like it seems like Puma is the is one of the more elite top 993 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,680 end race shoes these days, added as is far more prominent amongst 994 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,560 the elites than than it perhaps might have been. 995 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,040 We know ASICS dominates among the hobby joggers and and even 996 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,040 on we're seeing more and more of So it's a I think the running 997 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,640 market has become more open to trying new things than 998 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,400 previously would have been. But I like this from Nike 999 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,120 because I think as the running community grows and and more and 1000 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:55,960 more people get into it, making the shoe buying experience more 1001 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,840 simplistic other than just saying go try something on you, 1002 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,960 you understand marketing and branding. 1003 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,720 It's the first. Yeah, 100%. 1004 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:11,680 It's the first time it I've been asking for this for a long time 1005 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,880 and I've been in P and there's there's certain people within 1006 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,200 the industry, I'm not going to mention brands, but we've asked 1007 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,080 for this. I'm like, I've run not just for 1008 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,600 one brand over, you know, a 30 year period. 1009 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:31,680 I run for multiple brands. Even when you're in ground 1010 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,520 within those, sometimes it's difficult to know what shoe you 1011 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,480 need to be wearing or choosing or what that shoe model is for. 1012 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,760 For each one. The more simplistic it is, the 1013 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,600 easier it is to be able to make choices. 1014 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:50,640 And I think sometimes we've got to a point where you don't only 1015 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,800 want one shoe choice. Yes. 1016 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,280 But when you've got to, it's like, it's, it's like, you know, 1017 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,880 all the CE OS are the biggest corporations when they say they, 1018 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,840 they turn up in the same uniform. 1019 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,080 Steve Jobs, you know, you Mark Zuckerberg turn up in the same 1020 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,640 uniform every day because of decision fatigue. 1021 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,760 Yep, shoes have become decision fatigue. 1022 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,960 Yep. Any move to simplify that 1023 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,080 process is going to be welcome from me. 1024 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,080 I don't know if everyone's going to welcome, but for me, I'm 100% 1025 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,920 on board. Well, it's and, and again, this 1026 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,920 is probably it's, it's something that's existed in running for a 1027 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,480 long time at the elite level. Now that more and more people 1028 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,760 are doing it, this idea of a shoe quiver, you talk about 1029 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,640 what's out what your what's in your wardrobe at the moment. 1030 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,680 You talk about your quiver of shoes. 1031 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,280 I am now as a hobby jogger, someone that has a quiver of 1032 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,160 shoes. It's like, you know, surfers 1033 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,160 don't just have one board. They have boards for big 1034 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,440 conditions, small conditions, messy conditions. 1035 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,240 Yeah, towing, there's a quiver of boards that they use. 1036 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,440 Golfers don't have one club, They have a bag full of clubs. 1037 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320 Runners more and more now need to have a quiver of shoes. 1038 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,200 And what Nike has done here is they've just gone well, just 1039 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,600 come by our quiver and look how we explain it in a really 1040 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,200 simplified, easy to understand manner so that you don't have to 1041 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,120 become an expert. You don't have to do a degree in 1042 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,080 in running science. You can just come and buy and 1043 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,720 like. And I love the language around 1044 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,920 it too. So they're 3 shoe models. 1045 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,920 You've got the Pegasus, which we know the famous shoe. 1046 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,840 They describe that as run powered, electrify your run with 1047 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,760 the most responsive Pegasus ever. 1048 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,440 Now there's then 3 levels of foam within that shoe, so 1049 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:44,880 there's so. They build up, build up 1050 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,560 cushioning, right? Is that it throughout? 1051 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,960 That's right, they build up cushioning. 1052 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,960 So there's your your performance shoe, right. 1053 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,640 Then they have run bigger, which is the Vomero, which is maximum 1054 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,480 cushioning for even more comfort. 1055 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,080 So that's that when you're going out on the run, longer runs, 1056 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,240 you're running your Vomero. And then they have the 1057 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,040 structure, which is run supported, supportive cushioning 1058 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280 for help running, for help to help runners keep running. 1059 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,840 So it's that really simple. It's Big Bear, it's Papa bear, 1060 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,680 Mama bear, baby bear. It's the Goldilocks. 1061 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,120 Let's they should call it the Goldilocks box, not Nike, not 1062 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,400 Nike 9 box. They should call it Nike 1063 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,280 Goldilocks box, Papa bear, Mama bear, baby bear. 1064 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,000 You're welcome, Nike Running. Yeah, well, the thing I've been 1065 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,080 running in the vomero, I've been doing a lot of my running in the 1066 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,760 Vomero. So the the the base Vomero and 1067 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,160 just recently and what's interesting is what's the, what 1068 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,200 you've got them there? What's the it's the vomero plus, 1069 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,800 right would be the next version and then goes to the vomero 1070 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,560 premium after that. Yep. 1071 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,920 So the vomero plus is gets really good. 1072 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,520 You know, everyone's raving about the plus and you know, 1073 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,320 more cushioning. It's I've got a feeling it's 1074 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:04,960 full the foam the X foam zoom X versus the dual density foam 1075 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,280 which is being used in the bottom vomero. 1076 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640 The three, the three tiers just so for people playing along at 1077 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,680 home, are Icon Plus and Premium. Oh, so they call the the, the 1078 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,160 Venero's the icon. OK, so I'm just calling it the 1079 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,320 base Venero. But what is interesting is, 1080 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,360 well, I'm happy enough with the cushioning in the Venero. 1081 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,920 So I'm wary about as a, as a, you know, I'd, I would go and 1082 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,480 purchase these shoes to wear them as my kind of like jogger, 1083 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,920 as a, as a, you know, comforts you. 1084 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,080 I'm wary to go and buy the plus because I'm happy where I am. 1085 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,120 Yeah. But all the reviews and all the 1086 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,960 people I'm hearing talk about it now like the Plus is amazing. 1087 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,840 The Plus is amazing. It's even more plush. 1088 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,880 So this is where I'm saying, at what point do you just go 1089 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,600 enough's enough? Like you, you find something you 1090 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,440 like and you kind of stick with it. 1091 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,480 If you go and start trialling too much. 1092 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,240 When you talk about quivers, a lot of the reason, you know, 1093 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,720 I've talked about my my Salomon quiver a fair bit in the past. 1094 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,280 There's a big difference. And I think this is where when 1095 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,080 you're listening to people who are commercially sponsored by 1096 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:26,040 shoe brands or say someone who reviews shoes, so they may be 1097 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,880 getting supplied shoes by the companies, you've got to be a 1098 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,520 little bit careful when you're listening to that because I'm 1099 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,560 getting all of the shoes in the quiver to try because I need to 1100 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,680 know what they all feel like. But if you're going out to 1101 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,000 purchase shoes on your own and you're paying for every, every 1102 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,720 choice you make, I think there's a very different decision you 1103 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,920 make. And your quiver doesn't need to 1104 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,800 be as big as 11 shoes. Like Andy talked about taking up 1105 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000 to Cairns the other day, or like when I've shown my, you know, 1106 01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,120 I've got literally, what is it AA3A3 by 4. 1107 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,080 So I stick with a pretty much, if I can fit 12 shoes, I keep a 1108 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,520 rotation of 12 shoes in that garage on my 12 shoe rotation. 1109 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,680 So once one has to be removed for a new one to come in and 1110 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,960 that's that's it's too much, it's too much, it's too much. 1111 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,840 I like this. I like this though, and and 1112 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,160 again, look, if anybody is wants to learn a bit more about just 1113 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:29,000 Google Nike 9 box and you'll see, you know, the the marrow 1114 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,840 structure, Pegasus, the three shoes, you can learn a bit more. 1115 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,880 You can do your own research on it and make your own decisions. 1116 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,240 But reading this story on Tempo Journal, Michael Austin, who is 1117 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,120 Nike Pacific's Eckin manager, which I think product expert, 1118 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:50,600 brand storyteller, whatever. After all that, despite the 9 1119 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,680 box creation, despite creating this simplified system he's 1120 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,880 quoted in this about it really should be your personal comfort. 1121 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520 So don't be, he says, not being influenced by what your running 1122 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,040 mate is wearing or what the latest influence on TikTok is 1123 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,040 recommending. It really should be your 1124 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,360 personal comfort. So despite this innovation, 1125 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,400 despite this simplicity, despite this grid formation which 1126 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,800 pleases the human brain, it's still about what's best, what 1127 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,480 you feel most comfortable in. Yeah, And probably the best way 1128 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,360 to figure that out is still go to the shoe shop, right In the 1129 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,440 end, go to the shoe shop. Hey, Liam, before I just want to 1130 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:39,400 this, we call Stewart so big mentor of mine had a lot to do 1131 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,040 with my career. He passed away last week. 1132 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:48,880 So I just wanted to, you know, touch on it like a guy. 1133 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,920 He was Miles Stewart's father, but also coach Miles to A to a 1134 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,280 world championship coach multiple World Championships. 1135 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,800 But when I was a young fella around, you know, this sport, I 1136 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,400 suppose turning myself from we talked earlier about gout, gout 1137 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,120 and what it then takes to move, you know, up into the, you know, 1138 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,160 next levels as a world junior champion. 1139 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,880 I suppose in in when I was training, Cole was the group I 1140 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,160 then got coached. Well, Cole was my coach and the 1141 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,080 group I trained with to move me from that level of being a world 1142 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:27,200 junior champion to being, you know, Olympian world class, you 1143 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,200 know, winning multiple world, never a world senior world 1144 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,560 championship, but obviously, you know, multiple world 1145 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,160 championship style races or whatever. 1146 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,080 And yeah, he was coaching. The thing I loved about coal, 1147 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,600 besides, you know, what he gave to the sport of triathlon was 1148 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,160 the fact that he was still in, you know, the most recent years 1149 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,880 coaching right up, doing what he loved right up to literally, you 1150 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,920 know, the day pass. So yeah, I just wanted to, you 1151 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,600 know, there'll be a lot of people who listen to this, 1152 01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,960 especially as we're doing the Noosa episodes. 1153 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,800 You know, if there's anyone new tuning in. 1154 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,880 Yeah. Just wanted to say, you know, 1155 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,080 rest in peace, Cole Stewart. Yeah, all said mate, all said 1156 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,440 Yep, absolutely. And thoughts with with Cole's 1157 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,120 family and and those closest to him as well because he's had an 1158 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,320 incredible impact on the sport of triathlon and other sports in 1159 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,040 Australia as well. So, yeah, yeah, well said, mate, 1160 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,240 Well said. And I think that's probably a 1161 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,200 fitting note to end today's episode on. 1162 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,920 For those of you that might not have already jumped on board the 1163 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,120 Noosa Triathlon series, those are dropping every Wednesday. 1164 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,560 Again, if you've got somebody in your life that's thinking about 1165 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,840 triathlon that might be doing Noosa for the first time, please 1166 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,400 share the episodes. We're getting great response. 1167 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,960 And obviously Dan Atkins, what the expertise he's giving us 1168 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,720 week to week as we talk about triathlon is super exciting and 1169 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,520 super engaging. Am I correct in saying that the 1170 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,120 episode that we'll be dropping this Wednesday is a special 1171 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,520 guest episode? Courtney Atkinson. 1172 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,640 I do believe the next Wednesday episode will be a special guest. 1173 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,680 Oh no, it's the bike. Is it the bike? 1174 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,200 I'm pretty sure it's a bike. OK, it's the bike. 1175 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,600 Liam, I'm on holidays. I can't. 1176 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,560 I can't keep up. Guess what guys? 1177 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,040 On Wednesday there's an in the beginning Road to Noosa 1178 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,680 Triathlon podcast dropping. Make sure you. 1179 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,760 Do this one on that night, Leon going back to the pool. 1180 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,120 Go back to the pool, go back to the pool bar and we'll see you 1181 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,880 next week. See you next week.