In the beginning episode 42 and back to the one a week schedule
Courtney for the moment for the moment actually, yeah we are
going we are going to do a special special guest coming
special GC we're just going we've got a.
Special enough guest in New Liam because I had a note this week
he's been back in the news. Back.
In the Keenan Jacobs sent me this in and he said I'm sorry
Liam, but we, we, we have to talk about this.
Hello, Liam Flanagan. Speaking of Caleb Stiff, Bailey
Humphrey. He's just described that you
don't wanna do this to Bailey Humphrey.
Big contest. Bailey Humphrey.
Stan, this is a young man who the Giants will not want to
start feeling himself 'cause when he does, he's capable of
anything. Jay Bolt when he feels himself,
he feels good. Wow, wow, that's got true.
Wow, he's. Dealing with I.
Don't know what he's going on there, Liam Flanagan, but again.
You knew what he meant. I burned.
Did you? Yeah, not really actually
Speaking of knowing what he meant.
Your mate again, Stevie J Bill, then yeah, then we.
Yeah, This is Bernie. Bernie, Vince, this.
You're not more about this podcast than I do.
They're your family mate. This is from.
Triple M, This is Triple M footy.
It's the Saturday rub. Bernie Vince, former Adelaide
grow Melbourne Demon ripping bloke.
He's on breaking radio down in Adelaide and he does a
basically, I can't remember what the segment's called, but every
Saturday he goes through and basically takes the absolute
piss out of his fellow Triple M. It's.
Bernie's enough for the week. No, not for the week, sorry for
the week, not for the week. I don't think I was enough for
the week. But yeah, enough of the week is
when he basically goes and takes audio from mostly radio, but TV
or basically when people stuff things up.
What that was in reference. I was down in Sydney.
It was the GWS Gold Coast game. Now, I thought cards on the
table, nothing if not honest with the in the beginning
family. I thought I was being cool.
I thought I was using the slang that the kids use when they
refer to feeling themselves, as in like feeling confident in
themselves. That's the terminology right
now. I used it on a station whose
target demographic is 40 year olds plus, so I probably didn't
pick the audience. Right, Right.
And fair to say, Jude Bolton and Brad Seymour, who were calling
the game with me, did not support me whatsoever.
I was you. You were called out on the spot.
I was. Jude and Brad both turned and
looked at me and said, what are you talking about?
And I actually played that to Bailey Humphrey.
Bailey Humphrey came in studio after that game and I played
that audio to him and even he reacted.
He even even even reacted with I don't think you can say that on
radio. So look, the the part of being a
footy commentator is you're always updating your phrase
book. You're always learning new
words, adding new words, finding new ways to describe things
that. Is now gone.
Is deleted. Don't say that to your kids.
Don't say that's a. That has been deleted from my
from my phrase book, so thank you.
Yes, let's leave that. Thank.
You, Bernie, thank you. To who?
Who sent that in? Keenan Jacobs.
Thank you, Keenan, you've made your point.
You're not gonna get away with any.
No, you've made your point now. Here you've had.
It was a good call though. Good call.
That was a great game. The and then the I've called
since then. I've called the Suns win over
the Melbourne so oh. That was Sunny's back.
That was a. Cup and I bumped into a high
performance big boss riggers Alex Rigby.
Oh, Yep, I don't think he's riggers have to say.
Well, I think he was just relieved that they got a win,
frankly. Now, the reason I thought you
were going to be you thought I was in the news is because I've
been hit up for a few people saying that.
What have you done now? Well, all of a sudden go to
collect my bib, go to get ready for the Gold Coast Marathon,
pick up my official marathon. Oh, we.
Finally got the photos up. No, no, I'm trying to.
I'm I'm hastily racing through the marathon programme so I can
get to the page and read it. It's a big news this week,
though. Here we go.
Well, you're not running the marathon.
But this is what I wanted. To show you.
OK, I won't. I won't ruin it just yet then.
The commentary team, Yes, for the Triple M Gold Coast
Marathon, you got Triple M Gold. Coast Marathon, You mean what
did it be called? The ASICS Gold Coast Marathon?
I'm still in radio. Don't say that.
But now don't say that. Talk about saying things do not.
I'll give you a tip. I'll give you a commentary tip
down there on the on the finish line.
So Liam's gonna be calling you across the line in the both the
half and the full. Right.
And then I'm trying to get to Yep.
And we don't want to hear it's a triple M Make sure you call it
the correct name. I'm.
Gonna have to take Speaking of deleting things from my brain.
Southern Cross University, 10K. Yes, the ASICS.
ASICS. Gold Coast Marathon ASICS.
Gold Coast half? No, no, it's ASICS.
Gold Coast Marathon for sure. I don't know what the half is.
I'm assuming. I'm assuming the half's ASICS as
well. I am.
If you, if you haven't picked up your marathon handbook already,
I'm in there, I'm in there. I'm gonna be working alongside
the great Pete Murray, which I'm excited about, the voice of Iron
Man in Australia. Man, of course Noosa try across
the line, heaps of stuff. So I like the little sledge
though, which was in there delivered by somebody at Emq who
said, well, Liam had planned to be on the start line as a runner
this year and untimely injury saw him sideline so.
Hey, we I'm a big believer and things are meant to be Liam.
And this is This Is Us. This is for the podcast.
That's it. There's a shared end of the
podcast in there too. Is it?
Yeah, yeah. So look, not going to be
running, but really, really excited that Saturday and Sunday
I'm gonna get to cause I've never experienced that finish
line vibe as a non runner. So I'm really looking forward to
being there on both days. I will say this, if you're
listening to this in time before you finish, if you're running
half 10, whatever it is, or the full on the Sunday, come find me
on the line. Come find me, Come and say
g'day. Come and you know, tell me your
name, introduce yourself. I'll, I'll pump up as many of
you as I can. I want to give special love to
all the in the beginning podcast listeners as they finish their
races. So if you if you see me, come
find me. I'll be the short 1.
There'll be Pete, nice tall fella, good looking Rooster with
a deep voice and I'll be the other one.
And I'll be just waving till you're having the morning beers
mate. From up in here actually.
I I bumped into Bronte this morning and she just gotten her
corporate passes into that little section.
She's very. I am gonna be watching, Yeah,
we'll, we'll be above you watching you at work, mate.
And. I don't know how I like.
That you don't know if you're like, hey, plenty of pump.
We're gonna be pumping the podcast for the whole weekend.
So yeah, we are. We are now enough, enough
bagging me out. Frankly, I wasn't ready for
either of those. I've had, I've had my fair share
of my. Time across.
This for these weeks. Well, let's talk some running
news. What's going on?
Let's talk. The big one is and you know,
Western states. So I'm I'm.
Hopefully, hopefully most runners have heard of western
states, even those roadrunners and marathons that listen to us.
It's the oldest 100 mile trail race in the world apparently if
you go by their website. It is the, it's the big one that
I know my friends who are good runners, really good runners,
Anna McKenna share that. Anna, who's a great trail runner
out of Noosa, that's the one she keeps trying to qualify for
every year. Yeah.
Everyone wants to get in, so there's limited you've got to
even the elites have to go close and like someone's going to
correct me very close to winning a major 100 mile run just to get
a ticket to it. So it's not even easy for, you
know, the elites to get there, but it actually makes sense
being, you know, that everyone watches Western states.
You know, we've talked a lot about how does a race become
iconic? It's the oldest race.
Yeah, it's probably probably helps, you know, it's across a
beautiful, beautiful location, everything else.
So there's it's 161 kilometres in our terms, 5500 metres avert
and 7000 metres of descent in it.
Now the winner this year of the the men.
And for the moment, I was just we'll we'll get the can you get
the results up for the women as well?
So we can make sure we're cover that.
But it's more about just the state of running I wanted to
focus on here. So Caleb is a Nike runner runs.
He won the event in 14 hours and 11 minutes, so flying for 100
and. 60. Crazy, crazy, but what I want to
call out. So killing and John A, probably
one of the best known, not just runners, but endurance athletes
on the planet. He got he came in 3rd and there
was another guy in the race as well.
He's been doing a heap of YouTube stuff called mountain He
he goes by the handle mountain Roach on Instagram and YouTube
and all of that. It's interesting the difference.
So Caleb Olson who won runs for Nikes has a following of 11
point 5011. 1/2 thousand people are following him compared to
killing him. 1.8 million has. Killing got 1.8 million.
Yeah, and then let's look it up on the numbers.
But what's crazy is I love, This is why I love trail.
It's it's still in such a an area of like, you know, this is
where you find people. You can still runners can still
go there. And Caleb was, I think he's had
one of the best first time first, first.
Is that his first? No, it wasn't.
But as he was one of the I think he's had the quickest time for
the the how do you say that? Debbie, Tom, Debbie is on.
Oh, wow. Ever.
But, you know, I'm just surprised, like the winner of
Western States, the biggest trail race in the world.
There's a lot of people watching it and, and you know, this is
just how hard it is for running. Someone here we haven't heard
of? Really.
Well, I'd heard, I know. I've definitely heard of him
because I've seen him. They the interest.
We'll get to the shoes a bit later on, but there's a lot of
let's say prototype shoes being run.
Oh, now that a lot of the, you know, let's say the first ten
were running in shoes that are like specially made for them for
that event, which is really interesting cause in marathons,
you know, we see a few prototypes, but they normally
release it prior to the event. MMM trail bit different.
They're all running in certain prototypes, majority of them.
Interesting. Yeah, we'll go through that
later in the episode if you hang around.
Did you want the women's results?
I do. Want the women's?
Results the whole of the US. So just for context, same course
the Abby you finished, I think it was the 4th fastest women's
time ever. She came in in 16 hours, 37
surgery, about two hours 20 behind the men's women.
But she is a she's been just reading up on Abby very quickly.
Basically it was almost a a post to post win for Abby.
She sounds like she dominated for most of the race, but she
has been a really good 100K runner for the last 5-6 years
and this was her first big mile win. 100 mile win.
So well done, I mean. Just think 14 hours, 16 hours,
it's crazy fast. So these are quick.
It is like one of the more runnable courses and quick ones.
But yeah. Yeah.
So that was no Aussies in the top ten.
No, but shout out to to Dan Jones.
Interesting. We've talked about Dan on here
before around my what? He was the guy.
I was telling him the story about rappelling off the bridge.
That's right. Interesting to know.
I just and this is sort of apple of nothing is and I know it's a
race that takes part is is in America, but the US dominate
that. I would kind of just thought the
Europeans might have been more dominant than the trail ones,
but it's in the men's race. I think you find like and you
know, to talk out of out of turn here, but I think you'll find
Western states is the big one for the US.
OK, I got you UTMB. It's the big one.
Yeah, it's definitely US guys who do and girls who do really
well in UT MB as well. But it'll be like European.
Yeah, driven. Cool, cool, cool.
Now, did you watch the Breaking 40?
Yes, this is. Did you watch it?
Live or replay? I watched a replay.
Yeah. OK, Yeah.
What? What did you make of it?
I made of it. It's a good look.
I get where they're going. I get what they're trying to do
and we've talked about it on here before.
They're trying to take running mainstream.
Quick catch up Faith Kipiagon, women's GOAT middle distance
runner, copying the mould set by Elliot Kipiogay when Nike tried
to break 2 hours with him over the marathon, tailored
everything to get him to achieve it.
They did the same for Faith Kipiagon in the hope of making
her the first female to ever run a sub 4 minute mile.
So on pace for three laps arguably and and you know,
dropped 556 seconds on the last lap, just didn't have it.
Look, I was more focused on the run itself in the end.
It's such a small part because when you're running only, what,
four O 6. What'd she do in the end?
She did a four O 6 first. It was the fastest ever mile
time by a female athlete ever heard.
She has the world record of four O 7.
But so still a success. Still a success by that measure,
yes. But what I was interested in is
the actual show so I've watched the pre show on prime.
Right. What do you think?
And then I've watched obviously, So when I say the pre show, I
watched the episode 1, which we talked about the other day,
which explained all of the technology and everything and
the training. And then I watched the pre show
in the lead up to her run and there was probably a good 40
minutes of it they brought in obviously USI think the whole
the main host was a a American female sports reporter.
OK, so from the media, I think so she they were doing a great
job. They had everyone represented,
right? Carl Lewis?
Great. Amazing.
Great. I'd like to see him on.
That was like special. Yeah, like especially, you know,
around as a sprinter, but still has a lot to say about
athletics. It just didn't work for.
Me what? What about it didn't work?
It's just clunky. It's just how do you make I I
would have rather seen it packaged up the first like the
actual first episode of her training and the technology and
everything else. I would have rather seen it in a
one one hour package as one, one hour special instead of trying
to break it out in three where you have to watch a pre show.
Then this show was like I just kept trying to build it up for
40 minutes and then you know the event.
I think if you're going to go and watch something live and you
want to be there, you need to get to the get get to the main
event quicker than that. It was just a long all.
That that and I didn't see it. I only watched the race.
I've only watched the replay of the the entry into the thing.
So from that I don't quite have that perspective on it as a
product because I didn't have to sit through all that.
I watched it on replay after the fact and.
You just Fast forward it so that.
No, but the replay only gave me basically when Faith came out
onto the track and when the Pacers came out of the track, it
didn't give me all the pre stuff.
Yeah, right. So I actually just got to see
the attempt. Really.
That's all I saw. And so I don't have that view of
it. I I really thought it was great.
I thought, you know, I love seeing Stewie Mcswain out there
representing Australia as one of the paces.
And to me it was just, yeah, it looked like a really kind of
exciting, well commentated run. Talking about the lights that
would keep your own pace. What?
Really enjoyed it run started 100% on.
I just think it was just too long to get there of them trying
to fill time in to keep you watching for a whole hour.
Whereas I think instead of taking 3-1 hour episodes, if
they would have just condensed it into like, you know, not
being greedy and just condensed it into one great package.
You know, half an hour of the lead up into the race, bang,
gone, done and. If you look at it from that
perspective, it's not a money. This was this was not set up to
be a money making exercise for Nike.
Nike doesn't need to create things like this to make more
money. Oh well.
I think the purpose of doing it is to make more money.
Do you think, Yeah, what money is there to be made aside from
selling the TV rights, selling shoes?
I don't reckon that's going to sell more shoes.
It's to buy in. I don't it's awareness.
I don't think that event would have sold more shoes.
It's awareness. If you went in and you're,
you've got Nike on your on your brain, you know, if you're going
in, you're going into PAC fair, I'm going in, I'm going to buy
some shoes today. I'm running my next marathon or
I'm, you know, going out to buy shoes to train in.
You walk past the Adidas store, you've walked past the ASIC
store and you see the Nike store.
Top of your mind is Nike just did this big thing that have
been watching and following along and everything else that
is going to. It's there to sway your
judgement to buy. OK, Yeah, I don't you're right.
I don't disagree with you that what I think I mean is that as a
product, yeah. That the the event itself as a
product should have been, could have been packaged better.
I think the brand, the box could have been better.
The thing that was it was wrapped within could have been
didn't need all the excess packaging.
It could have just been one nice layer of wrapping rather than 17
or an hour's worth of wrapping. Yeah, in this case, I, I I think
it was a bit like a wedding. The pre, the build up to it is
where they got all the benefit, like a lot of the benefits and
everyone talking about it, sharing all the different
things, you know, working out. Can she do it?
Can she not? And then it's kind of like when
it was done, it was like, OK. I have to go back and watch it
because I again, I don't wanna comment too much without having
seen any of it and I don't wanna sit here and just hit you and.
Laundry list and I'm being pessimistic about it.
I think it's I think Nike are the big winners out of here.
Like there's been a lot of media build up for a long time and so
across all socials, you know, having a female athlete go out
and do that with, you know, all the sport, everyone focuses, it
was great to what I did get excited about was watching her
come out and having that whole team of like athletes around
her. Well let me ask you this then,
if you're added us, let's just pick out of this and it could be
anyone, it could be humour, it could be Soccerny, it could be
whoever. What else is there in the
running space that would be worth an investment to try and
create something like that? Is there a time?
Is there a distance? Is there a number?
Is there something? No.
And I think that's why they went there.
That was the obvious next step. They've done the marathon and
then the four minute mile is the other.
I mean the next, the, the next step to me would be the 100
metres. I was going to say, that's what
jumps out to me immediately. Or a or long jump.
If you're yes, if you're talking about because what?
Who's the I wanted to bring this up with you the other week.
Who's the young Swedish pole vaulter?
Who should know his name? Hey.
Aman Duplantis, the Swedish pole vaulter who's basically he's
Swedish American, but he competes for Sweden.
Are you aware of Remind Me? We'll go back to that 100 metre
thing. Are you aware of what he's been
doing with the world record bonuses?
Have you seen this story? No, but I'm I'm making the
assumption without seeing the story, he's just been knocking A
centimetre or two off each time. That's exactly.
What he's doing, he's. Probably got 20 centimetres up.
He's exactly what he's doing. He has wouldn't he gets a, he
gets a $100,000 bonus from World Athletics each time he breaks
the world record here. He has broken the world record
12 times. Every time he does it, it's by a
centimetre. And then he says, I've won world
record 100,000. See you next time plus plus
because. Every other sponsor would be
also tipping in on that world record.
Right. And he's only, and this is the
thing, the conditions are that it's only one bonus per meet
that which is why he doesn't bother going again once he
breaks it, he can't. Oh, he like it's not one world
record 2. Exactly, exactly.
So sorry. Going back, we talked about
Duplantis, we were talking about what other space could a running
brand 100. It's.
Speed, right? And if you think about what
captures the imagination, you just talked about Nike doing
this because it keeps them front of mind when people are walking
through Pacfare, wherever it is, buying shoes, speed is the other
one, right? So.
Speed or I, I, I do believe when we're talking like jump.
Yes, I agree. Like jump and like how, what's
the technology to make someone be able to like, because
there's, there's, to me, that's like a bit of an enigma and like
how far can someone jump? Like it's basketball, you watch
it and it's like around that, but think about how long.
So to me it's the long jump. Because isn't the one men's
world Men's long jump world record one of the longest
standing records in. It might be one one of the
longest ideas. I was going to bring those.
OK, Mike Powell of the United States.
Wow. That's all because.
He was 1991. Yeah, it.
Was Lewis time? So it's been on, it's been there
for 30-4 years. He jumped 8.95 metres.
So does the the equipment have to catch up with the equipment
of that day? Oh, hi, careful.
Allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, but no.
Well, I did see you asked me what was the longest.
I did see a post the other day of the longest standing world
record in athletics and it's a fee.
It's the female 100 metre event and they had a picture.
It's a check checklist. Savarkian, I think, lady.
Jamila Craccholi, Volvo, 800 metres, Yes.
And when you? 41 years.
Yes. And when they showed the video
of the event, yeah, maybe we'll do this another week and and
discuss it because it is it's quite eye opening.
It was definitely in the in the Eastern Bloc heyday.
Well, interesting to note, the next closest time is held by
Pamela Chamila. I don't know where she's from,
but Casa Semenya has the third fastest.
But they but they deleted her record.
So this is the thing, they deleted her record but didn't
delete well. They're the well because they
didn't have proven positive drug tests from many athletes in that
or from all the athletes in that idea to to put a bow on the
breaking fall thing. I love it.
I, I hope more brands explore this pathway.
I hope more of them try and figure out novel ways to
celebrate athletes or efforts or feats in a product that we can
all enjoy and consume in a fun way.
Yeah, perfect way perfect. Perfect way.
All right, Dead Cow Gully, Backyard Ultra.
That's a a mouthful. Yeah, it's not a great package.
Speaking of package things. I had to go and look at where
because obviously this is a very niche event, like I mean
probably one of the most niche events, but because of the
nature of what a back out ultra is and just running around, what
is it, 6.7 kilometres? 6.7 goes.
Every hour and just keep doing that for as long as you can.
Yeah. So actually, Red Bull raced the
Sun alumni Phil Gore. Is he raced for us?
Is he really? He ran last year.
There you go. And he won and broke the world
record by doing 119 loops. So for context, 800 kilometres
in five days. Yeah.
So 119 loops and people. And if your brain's like mine,
you you've suddenly, you've put that on a in a circle, you've
gone what? A loop is a circle.
Therefore, OK, I'm doing 119 loops.
Put that into days. Five days.
Now you might think you might be able to sneak a sleep in, but
you've got to run the 6.7 K every hour.
Let's say even hypothetically that Phil suddenly has a A4 four
minute K loop in him, right? And he let's just say go 28 KS
the most sleep he could possibly get because then you've got to
be up and ready to go the most sleep realistically he could get
on anyone lap might be 20 minutes and I don't even think
you would have got that. So you are going five days where
the most rest you're probably having at any one time is 10 to
15 minutes. Yeah, man, it's it's for one.
It's before any of the running. Yeah, it's great.
I mean, this is the one where I suppose like there's all the
long distance run stuff going around, but this is the one that
puts it into kind of a package. It's all about packages, puts it
in a package and said this is what you got to do.
And so there's an element of like competition there, of
seeing how long and these guys are just going on and on and on
and crazy. So Sam Harvey from New Zealand,
I watched a a YouTube doggo on him the other day.
So he set the New Zealand national record as well.
But he I was watching him. He just like gave up his job and
said I'm just gonna start doing this running stuff for, you
know, seeing how far I can go. And these guys are like, these
are the real heroes. I reckon when you talk about the
distance stuff, you know, like the ultra ultra, like we talked
about Western. So like if you have Western
states, that's like to me, I compare that to Iron Man.
It's kind of comparable in the sense of 14 hours.
It's not a sleep deprivation thing.
You know, elite Iron Man now go a bit quicker.
They're going like 7 1/2 hours. But the average Iron Man will be
out there in around 12 hours or something, 12 to 1314.
So it's in that realm of a day's effort.
This stuff is like, you know, ultra, what would you say?
You've got to deal with sleep deprivation.
You've got to just deal with like the demons of all of that
and everything else going on and have the endurance to keep
going. And to but I think I really
think you cracked it last episode when you talked about
the fact that sleep was the the determining factor between what
you and I decided races that are enjoyable and ones that are
torturous. Oh, this isn't.
Enjoyable. No, no, no, that's and that's
what I mean that you cracked it last week when you when you said
that and you just went it's sleep.
It's sleep is what allows you to recover and enjoy things and and
enjoy the pain and and limits that you can test yourself with.
So this happens all around the world.
Obviously different backyard ultras have started over in the
States, but I had to look up where Runny made what running
runny made was. So this happens out near
Kingaroy, southern Queensland. Yep.
No, no. Well, yes, inland from the
Sunshine Coast, so just out on a property there.
And they've created the event to break the world record, so I'm
having plenty of coverage. I, of course ABC covered it.
I bet you SBS also got on the bandwagon here.
What do you? Reckon he won, Have you looked
into that? No, I haven't, but I'm going to
take a. Oh, what do you think this man
has run for five days? 800 Ki.
Think I've heard this. Is this the cow?
The cow Pat. Oh, maybe, maybe.
But I'm looking at the prize money.
Oh, the prize money. Because according to this 2024,
last year's winner won $10,000. If you offered me 10, No.
If you offered me 10 grand to run 800 KS.
Better than a lot of other running events?
True. It's better than City to surf.
What's the prize money at City to Surf?
I've looked it up the other I think it's like 2 1/2 grand for
the winner. That seems crazy to me 90. 1000
runners, 2 1/2 grand to win. Really.
Yep, don't Fact Check me, but I did.
We were. We were looking at it the other
day for another reason. You you actually you're spot on.
1st place male and female runners each receive $2000.
That's nuts. This is one of the most
participated in fun runs around the world.
Surely they can stump up a bigger purse for the winners of
this thing. I wonder if they stumped up a
bigger purse if they we might see like well here.
Did you race better, harder when the prize was bigger?
Of course, you did put more on the line.
Someone says to you half, $1,000,000 to go run first,
$10,000, you're going to put a lot more.
Now you shouldn't say that because you're not going to put
a lot more in it, but it's just a lot more on it.
You're going to put more priority on that event.
Now I know the course has been changed and Mona's record of 40
O 3 is that breakable on the current course, The new course
as it sits. I don't know enough about.
How much the course I. Mean I know in oh here we go
ahead how the course changed but 2020.
Four last year's event. Isaac is it Hain?
Yep, Isaac came one with 4049, so he's 46 seconds back from
Moners. Well, then I'd say yeah, it's
breakable. Is another 20 grand capable of
improving your time by 46 seconds?
Like, you know, imagine if there was even those.
There was $25,000 on offer. It's an interesting 1, isn't it?
I I actually thought until there was 2 1/2 thousand there was a
time, I know when my Shelley was like around winning around.
I'm not sure if he won it, but around that trying to win it.
It might have been just a you got a flight to their sister
event for winning over in a series.
Yeah, I'm I was sure and someone out there right into us.
I was sure the backyard ultra at dead cow gully.
They got it. There's one there's one where
you get literally a bag of cow shit.
That's what you get to take away.
Let us know which one it is, if it if it is dead cow or it's one
another one but. Someone's definitely.
Told me that it. Doesn't appear as though Oh no,
he did 2009. Michael Shelley Did he win 2009.
Took it out in a time of 4102, and since then it's been a bit
of back and forth between Harry Summers, Benny Saint Lawrence
and Liam Adams. Yeah.
They've don't say my memory's shot all the time.
No, no, you know that. No, I'm pretty sure I ran,
actually ran that year. He won.
And have you got the results here?
I had a feeling I might have got 5th to 6th.
Really. Yeah.
All right. Possibly something around there.
Hey, I my like we didn't put it on the podcast because it was
just going to be too difficult to do.
But this week we my misfortune and not being able to run at the
Gold Coast marathon became someone's good fortune and we
put a little bit of a comp on the social yes and the I just to
let everyone know who who entered or or saw it, the winner
or the person who we've we've given it to great little story
behind it. So it's Timmy is he's going to
run it and he runs. Ricky Estale was the one who
submitted him and said he'd be amazing to to get a run and he
does 1/2 marathon. Anyway, he runs for his late
daughter Lunar every year. So she was 3 when she got hit by
a car and he does a marathon every year in in her honour.
And he decided, well, if I can do a few more, he wanted to do a
couple more. So I thought that was a, you
know, a nice story to help someone out who didn't have an
entry. That's awesome.
So good luck on the weekend, Timmy.
And we'll, we'll, we'll keep keep Timmy.
We'll keep you'll have. To make sure you give me Timmy's
your bib number so. No, so it won't be my bib.
Number, that's no, no, no. No, it won't be my bib, but,
well, he'll be out there running.
Well, Ricky, if you're listening, please send through
Timmy's details to the Instagram page 'cause I would love to at
the very least find him on the finish line, give him a shout
out, but otherwise just give him a big hug to say well done
'cause it's an awesome story and can't wait to to see him cross
that line on Sunday in the race. Just quickly coming back to see
you surf. I have found this is a cool
page. Found a page that ranks the
Sydney to surf all time male rankings.
OK, so if. Somebody just by the course or
it's just on time. Time.
Time only. So monas I've just checked
myself. I haven't made the list.
I have not made the. Top Oh, so you're you can
actually search? Yeah.
OK, so the top 450 are on here and Courtney Atkinson.
Oh so here we go. So ranking males on 14K course
1976 to 2018 and then the yeah, so all the way through to 2018.
Do I make it? Courtney Atkinson, you sit 159th
all time. Gee, that doesn't sound too
good. Does it 43 minutes and 11
seconds. 4311. 4311 you and then obviously Mona's.
You're 308 behind Mona's. That's AK behind.
Yeah. Robert D Costello in second.
Mona Getty's on there. Oh, geez.
How many times Steve? Mona Getty on this list is on
there. Oh.
So that's eight times that's they count multiple athletes.
Yeah, no, so like they count Monas 8 times on that list.
Oh, OK. Well, so.
Monas in front of you like 6 times.
Kind of a little bit misleading though.
No, that takes on the times, Yeah, but that.
Doesn't make me the 159th slowest.
No, you're right. Runner.
Because it looks like Liam Adams is in front of you a fair bit.
OK, that's I'm gonna call you out on this, John.
Andrews is in front of you 8 times.
That's misleading then. I'm definitely I that you
shocked me then 'cause I think I can't be that I.
Can't be that Tony McCartney's in front of you 4 times.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway.
Oh, who's this one? Yeah, no, there's that.
Means I could have been in the top 50 possibly.
Maybe. Yeah, I reckon Nah.
Oh, you may be. You may be OK.
Lead troops in front of you. Are you talking about getting
now, getting back to Gold Coast? We've got Gold Coast on this
weekend. We're on about Gold Coast.
Will Gibson gave you a shout out.
So hey, boys. Hey.
He wanted to know how you're pulling up and are you doing a
three hour time? Because Will is actually anyone
running around 3:10. He is gonna be a pacer, good
man, he said. Mate, if you fall off your pace
he was gonna give you a kick up the backside so that anyone
anyone going out on the three hour group and the three hour
pacer. Yeah, we'll, we'll don't.
Yeah, don't let him catch. We'll get you.
This is shout out Will. Thank you for the message, mate.
Sadly, you won't. I won't be there for you to give
me a kick up the ass, find me on the finish line.
Give me a pat on the ass, mate. It'd be again, all these people
who have followed along with the the podcast in the lead up to
the Goldie Marathon. If you're listening to this
after the marathon well and you've run it well done.
If you're listening to this on the Saturday beforehand, just
enjoy this tomorrow. I said to Bronte, obviously.
How's she feeling this week? I see.
Her in the office, I saw her today in the office.
She's it's funny, we had a chat because she posted on her.
She's got a bib. Yep, she's got a bat.
She's got everything. She's getting started, but she
posted on her Instagram the other day about her last PT
session before the race. And I said to her, did it feel
like when you did the last PT session that, oh, I've managed
to get out of that uninjured because that's, and she's like,
yeah, I'm, I, I finished it. When he said we were doing glute
stuff, my brain started going, oh, just don't hurt anything.
Like there was this this mindset for her now which.
Is an athlete. I'm I'm ready now.
I'm there now this is and now so she's really excited, but it was
off the back of last week's episode talking about pacing.
Yes. And I saw a great comment.
I'm not sure if it was on the on Spotify or on the Instagram
about Maranoia is how somebody termed it marathon paranoia.
OK, it was AI loved it. I thought it was a great
apologies to apologies. Who?
Whoever used that phrase, but Maranoia was a great way to
describe what a lot of people are feeling and oh, here it is,
Chandra Ralston said. Great episode guys.
Maranoia is definitely setting in for me.
Paranoia. But I haven't heard that one.
Bronte's producer on the radio show is a young fellow named
Harry who is has sort of been shadowing Bronte along this
whole marathon journey. Their their time in runnings
quite similar. And Harry chat at Harry listens
to the podcast. He loves it.
And I came out of a meeting on Monday this week and Harry came
into the meeting. It was a big all sort of staff
meeting. And as I was walking out, I just
said to everybody, everybody just show some patience with
Harry. He's running a marathon this
weekend for the first time. So whatever gets said in this
meeting, he will forget because all that's happening in his
brain right now is on what happens if I start too fast?
How am I going to feel AT25K? How am I going to feel to He's
not listening to anything any of you are saying.
He he is completely a zero net result here at work this week
'cause all his attention is focused in on this marathon.
I also I ran into a Luke from he works for the company to medic
this. Week he's been.
Listening and love your love your stuff, Luke, particularly
the esky he he said about he's running, but he he reckons he'll
be around Bron. He's like he might be around
that pace. He's been listening along for
that too. He did also tell me, 'cause I
said, oh, how'd you get onto the podcast?
Like how'd you find it? He said he found it on socials,
but he recognised you from you. He was a Sydney boy and he
recognised you from your show with MG.
Uh huh. The big one.
And I like, and then he goes. And then I kind of put two and
two together, who you were. And I went, oh, we might tell
Liam that one. But yeah.
So good luck. Good luck to everyone.
Running. Good luck to everyone running
and again, you know, we'll figure out something for social.
I had no idea. I'll talk to you about it
afterwards. Courtney.
Yeah, mate. What about your run?
Where you going? What's going on?
I've been. Off grid four days this yeah,
where we went camping with a whole group of families that we
do trips with. We went funny enough, I was back
out at Tennerfield of all like 2 weeks after Red Bull race the
sun. We went back through
Tennerfield, but then I went another about an hour and a half
further out on some dirt roads till we found a spot where
there's you know, you get away from the mobile reception.
It was freezing mate. The so on the, the first night
we were there, I don't know what the temperature was, but you
know, like I love the fact of winter camping 'cause if you're
gonna go camping and it's cold, it's great.
You put, make a big bonfire and you know, you hang around, but
it still was cold. So it'd be a night scratching
like ice off the car in the morning.
And then it got better after that.
But we were, you know, even the water.
So the kids and, and my son and that we took weddies out because
there's a big rock. The the, the reason we went out
there half as this, this big kind of rock, jump into it like
you would camp on a gorge out there.
And the water was at that temperature where the first day
I jumped in without a wedding and I thought, you know, ice
bath, just jump in freshen up. So I was having a shower and I
lasted all of about I went actually down to see check for
any logs and and stuff. So like if the kids are jumping
off the rocks, you know, make sure it's all clear.
And I probably got down about half a body length in my head.
I'm out of here. That's enough, That's enough.
But yeah. Did you get some running in?
Didn't run. I took the shoes and I just was
relaxing out there. Had all good intentions to run.
Funny thing was we got told you need like forward driving to get
in there. Yeah.
And the guy who owned the property said, oh, you know,
just allow for my driveway another hour was 4.2 K.
And we're kind of like, he's probably just taking the piss a
little bit. But he wasn't taking the piss.
It was, it was, it was if he needed to test the cars out.
It was a decent slog in there. But yeah, he just relaxed.
But what I did do this morning. So I am back running and I'm
back when I'm I've been jogging to now.
Jogging. Do you course?
So this morning I went down to the Spit with the Gold Coast
Runco. So most of the crew there are
running 5 KS, 10 KS. There's a few running the
marathon. They were doing their kind of
lead up, so we did a 20 minute monofart lick.
So if anyone's listening and thinking what do the kind of
more elite runners do on a Tuesday before the before the
marathon or before you're running the 10K this weekend?
We literally warmed up 20 minutes, jogged, ran a 2020
minute monofart lick. So 290 seconds on, 290 seconds
off, 460 seconds on, 460 seconds off 4 thirties, 30s and then 4
fifteens and fifteens to make that.
And the Jacko, the coach, he said, mate, like let's, you
know, give it some like we want to make sure we're woken up, but
also just be conscious. You're racing this weekend.
I know the front, right? The front boys like Giordan, a
few of the boys at the front got down to like 240 pace.
So then. Well, there's Paul, Benita said
in Wednesday's EP. She said that you some of the
runs you want in the marathon week should be faster than
marathon pay should. Well, that's a lot faster than
marathon. Yeah, should.
But, you know, really wake up. I ran through like just
conservatively in 345 averages, so you know, so.
Your conservative is back up. There, I'm running, you're
running, I'm running and knocking off about 50 KA week.
But now, now things will ramp up a little bit.
I am. I'm still running, I'm still
plotting a little bit. I've been.
It's amazing how life gets in the way.
I've been very busy, but I last week I, I tried a couple of, it
was interesting because I tried to go and essentially run a bit
under 5K pace just to, because I, it has been, I don't reckon
I've really tried to run under 5K pace since I hit my car.
So that's three months ago, that's three months ago since
I've really now bear in mind and I know that people going, oh,
that's still good running for me.
When my mind was at with my running four months ago was that
I could do a sub three hour marathon.
That's where my running was at. I was running well, you know,
sub 4 minute K's weren't intimidating to me right now.
The idea of running a sub 4 minute K is terrifying to me.
Like that's where I'm at now. So I did, I went out for a run
the other day. I did 10 minutes warm up and
then I did 4 minutes, not with any pace in mind, but just let's
move a bit more. And I averaged 430 for the four
KS And then I did a cool down. I pulled up so sore.
I pulled up. So just generally it wasn't
there was no tears or strains or anything.
I was just sore running just even that 30 seconds quicker was
really sore. So I took a couple of days off
after that, but then I did Sunday just gone.
I've got a nice long for me, long 14K run in nice.
Just touch under 5 minutes. So and everything's everything's
everything's fine, everything's good.
So touch wood now I'm now I'm starting to.
Think of what's next. Yeah, just starting.
Yeah, a little bit of an itch, a little bit of an itch.
Have a look what's around. Figure out what's going on next.
But the body's feeling good. The body's feeling good.
I'm back enjoying running and I am again.
I couldn't be more excited about this weekend to get around that
vibe of the marathon because it's just.
Just goodbye. Good news is we can start
talking about ourselves a little bit again.
Man, we're running of. Course, we've been talking a lot
about Buddy. Everyone else is running.
Let's be selfish. Yeah.
Now you've got shoe stuff. I've got some gear.
Let's go. A few posts I've I've seen this
week and this one and I actually can't see who it was.
Runners Bon Voyent top shoes of 2024 in the World Marathon
Majors. So they've literally gone
through all of the majors, male and female, and put the shoes in
ranking. Who do you reckon?
Like can you see it? No no #1 shoe last year.
Marathon brand just gives marathon majors Nike.
No. Adidas.
The Adidas? The Adidas, Yeah.
The Adidas Pro Evo. What's interesting is the Adios
Pro 4 also came in #4 OK, Nike Alpha Fly 3 #2.
How many other shoe brands are in the top?
What are we doing so? We've got Adidas, Nike, Nike,
Adidas, ASICS on clown on cloud boom.
Now think on One had one win so that it's like the Olympic medal
take away. Yeah, yeah.
You're not taking about how many awards.
So when? Togo gets a a A medal in the
kayaking and suddenly they jump up the the.
Medal they're they're beating Japan because Japan got 20
silvers and haven't won a you know gold sorry Japan I wasn't
raised. I didn't.
That was the first thing that come to mind.
So on cloud another, this is an Adidas again.
Three now enter. Have you heard of Anta Anta Anta
Ant? AANTA, who won wearing the shoe?
Anta, What The sports equipment company Anta Sports.
Do you know what the logo of Anta looks a little bit like?
They come from Deodora. Maybe it's a rebranded Deodora.
There's Deodora out there still is the Chinese sports equipment
multinational corporation. So it's Chinese shoe.
Chinese shoe. What were those shoes you go
gave me? Those horrible green things they
were. Weren't they Kip run?
Were they Kip Run? No, Kip Run Was the Kip Run's
Decathlon's branded shoe, isn't it?
Do you know what's interesting? I'm pretty sure.
So while you're looking there,
so on cloud another cloud Under Armour have got a a silver 1
silver one 2/3 for a Puma for their deviate Nitro.
It gives a big rap that Nitro one.
I just reckon it gets a big rap because of the look.
Not that I've ever tried one. And then even a night Vapour Fly
came in three. You know, we took them down, but
Adidas Courtney Atkinson 5 Golds versus Nikes 2.
You are part of the Anta family. What?
Salomon owned by Amos Sports. Yes, Amos Sports, which is owned
by Anta. Wow.
OK, we're so you are. We are breaking ground.
Here you're part of the anti sports family.
You're telling me Anta own AMA? AMA, I am.
That's exactly what I'm telling you.
Does someone the first thing comes up?
Does Nike own Anta? Amos Sports is owned by Anta
Sports. Amos Sports is owned by a
consortium led by Anti Sports with Chip Wilson fan of.
A few. Oh, OK.
And the sports owned 44.5% of Amos Sports, so that would be
the majority stakeholder. Folio of Yep, you're right.
There you go. So.
You need to get yourself some anti shoes.
Maybe we've got educate Pete. Pete from Solomon.
Hey, Pete's coming. He's, you know, you're not
running, but he's still racing you.
No. No, no, no, no.
I'm gonna. Catch up with Pete.
Is he still going after the sub three?
Yep. How's he feeling?
He he said he's everything's going good, so I'm going to
catch up with him before the race, but there we go.
So that's like the parent company or the parent company
just we've got off track. We have got off track too
quickly and I know you're just talking you.
We need to go back because you've got another shoe thing
you want to talk about very quick.
Keep going, keep rolling. Pete coming in.
This is the other thing about the marathon, which I encourage
everyone. If you haven't done one, if
you're listening to this and you're not a part of 1 yet, sign
one up because the anticipation that builds ahead of this stuff
is so good. And the other thing, if you're
on the Gold Coast, the shakeout runs are brilliant, but they're
everywhere Friday morning. If you are not a part of the
running community, you are going to think what is going on
because they are. Everywhere.
What's the best shakeout advertisement you've seen?
Which one do you? Which one?
Here's a Here's a question for you.
Which one would you want to attend?
Well, I am attending 10. I'm attending AG One's shakeout
run. That's the answer.
Because I'm also going to be doing a bit of Q&A with Andy
Buchanan. Oh wow.
After the shakeout run. So Andy Buchanan.
For those that aren't aware, Charlie's.
Best you're doing that. Marathon runner, right?
Now, is it kosher to be able to then go but like, put your
iPhone on and just record yourself while you're doing it?
Are you asking me will I steal some some chat from content from
Andy Buchanan? Why you're the one?
For this podcast or just in general for the social, that's
exactly what I'm going to do. That's exactly.
See what I'm gonna do. Thank you to AG One for some
free, free interview with Andy, if you can.
Yeah, I'll record some of the chat with Andy.
Yeah. Share it.
Share it with you. In the beginning.
It's it's you. It's it's you.
You can take it. Exactly.
And all it is doing is spreading the AG1 message further and
wider. Yeah, good.
There's no doubt, Andy, you'll get that.
OK, so you're. Going to AG one, but no.
And is there any others that you've looked at and got?
Oh wow, that one looks good because.
Look, I've seen the What's the mob who run there at the front
of Karaman? Year old salt.
Salt. Yeah, the salt runners are
having a shakeout run. Salt Mill.
The salt Mill mob having a shakeout run.
I think I saw. It's clean, going on pace
athletic. I see.
Of course they're doing the I think about post, post and
whatever you wanna call a post thing post pastor or something.
Then with the Oxley down in Nobbies, that's cool, cool crowd
down there. The.
Again, the other thing I will say, look, we've given them the
halfway house, EMQ next year, halfway house at the turn around
point as we stand and also also a central hub for everyone to go
to afterwards. Yeah, that's that next evolution
of the event in my opinion. OK.
Let's keep going on back to the shoes.
So we talked that was the road shoes we kind of just covered of
of interest. So going to back to Western
States, full circle, what we began with, there's a lot of
prototype or yeah, they're cool prototypes in this in this file
that people were running in. So I'm gonna give you another
stab at this women's top 10 shoes at Western States.
So we're talking trail shoes now.
Brand #1. Salomon.
No, they were in #3 ASICS, No ASICS at all in the either men
or women. I'll guess Nike then.
Nike. What?
We said Nike won the men.
Not so, it's Adidas. I didn't even know they really
did trail. Shoes.
Yep, I've tried that. I've talked about an of just
trying on an Adidas shoe here. What's the travel shoe called?
Brett Carter from Sydney sent me his pair.
He goes, you gotta try these, you gotta try these.
Yeah, the Terex. Oh yeah, I do remember those.
That's OK, just on this, right, Because when I Google Adidas
Terex, very quickly it comes up with that big bright orange
writing Terex. Yeah, right.
It doesn't look like an Adidas shoe.
Because the three stripes are covered, OK, but it's a it's a
kind of outdoor mountain where so like this downhill skiers
also wear Terex like their clothing or whatever they're
wearing around. So it's kind of more their
outdoor brand. You look at that, would you have
said like that looks like it's own brand?
Yeah, I wouldn't have said if you so if you showed me that and
I didn't know Terex that picture you.
Would say that's not an Adidas. There's no way you'd say that's
an Adidas. Yeah, haven't you?
You've got to know that branding, but I mean in trail
they're they're quite heavy on that branding, right.
So you know it Plus I did learn the other day it's also mounted
so snow sports as well. Interesting.
So if I just go down the list quickly, so you've got Adidas,
then Hoka, Solomon, Kraft, another?
Brand the cheese. It's gonna go somewhere else
with the cheese. Salomon Calius.
There's another one. CA.
CAILAS, It's gotta be another Chinese shoe.
CAILASAS. Yep, and the the the the model
was the Fuga FUGAF. UG.
A worn by Ha Ha. Oh, ha, Kala.
Yeah. Good one, Kate.
Do you know Kailas? Kailas, Kailas, Yep.
So while you're looking that up, then where it was Adidas again,
Adidas, Nike, Adidas man, like it's like they're really strong.
So that's in the women's side. If you go down the men's side,
top ten, we've got Nike, we've got Brooks, Brooks make a thing
normal, which is Kelly and Jornay's own shoe on Cloud
Ultra, another Adidas. That's Dan.
Dan runs for Terex Norface Norda Ultra Scarpa, which is Scarpa's
probably better known for the climbing shoes and another
Adidas. So like when you come to trail
running, this is where the real innovation goes.
And now a lot of them say the the Nike Ultrafly 2 that Caleb
Olson won the race in is a prototype.
OK, so it's not out yet. The what one else can I see the
craft trial? It was a prototype, so the 4th
in the women. There's a lot more prototypes.
Lots. Of trialling shoes prototypes in
this but I mean just the range of different shoes that are you
know across the board in trail, you know that's where real
innovation I suppose is happening.
It also gives a little bit more play because, you know, on the
road we all know now the rubber and the plate obviously work
together and you've got to have that.
We're on trail. There's still a little bit of,
you know, I know that of. Personal.
Preference run in it, but like, you know, the killing and Jonat
shoe, the normal like it. It's got rubber, but it looks a
bit more like a traditional trail shoe.
You know, a bit lower, you know, lower stacked, whereas the
Adidas ones are still high stacked with some type of like
it's not a hard plate, but it's got their, I don't know, their
proprietary kind of like 3 pronged blade in it.
OK, here's OK, the the Kailas, I'm going to say that's how the
brands pronounce Kailas. Yep, really interesting.
Just a quick Google. So Kailas, it was founded in
2003. It's relatively new by a
passionate mountain biker, skier and outdoorsman Baguio Zong in
China. He founded it to address the
needs of China's growing population of campers and
trekkers. Yeah, so this article I'm
reading here. As it happened, his friendship
with numerous dirtbag Mountaineers led to the brand
developing and producing a growing selection of technical
mountaineering products for these same friends.
Kailash, named after Mount Kailash, a famous Tibetan
pilgrimage mountain, soon found itself as a leading figure in
China's nascent mountaineering community.
So basically this is a bloke, he's taken passion, his passion
for something, combined it with a boom that was happening at the
time, yeah. And now it's a what seems like a
fairly successful little project for him.
Yeah. Well, that Fuga that they're
running in, so that's got that bowler system at the top of the
range 1. So the Boa system is anyone who
rides, you know, push bikes on their shoes will know like the
ratchet system that you actually wind up.
So like as far as you know, like Salomon, use a speed lace where
you lock that speed lace down that you've run in.
The Boa ratchet system's heavier.
So that's the drawback of it. But the argument is that maybe
like as you ratchet that down, it can't then release at all.
Both serve the same purpose. 1 is just done through a ratchet,
but there's a bit of a weight, you know, I'd say there's a bit
of a wait. What's the L?
What's pounds technology? Geez, I don't know what you're
telling. Me well, no, because the reason
I'm I'm as I dig deeper into coal ash after eight years of
R&D coal ash this is In 2019, they launched the world's first
trail running shoe with pounds technology and patented 4 point
Gator holder system. I'm gonna just guess that is
just all marketing jargon for something that already exists in
another way. And I'm not joking.
I mean it's like Boa is it was in snow boots and bikes load
bearing support or lightweight stability.
Yeah. OK, so it is marketing.
It's just marketing. You know what I am a bit envious
of? As I as I was reading through
that list I saw the S Lab Pulsar 4, the Solomon shoe.
Their race shoe has been upgraded to the four and I don't
have it. This is turning into shoe porn,
by the way. This is this is turning into
proper shoe porn. We've descended down a rabbit
hole here. I apologise 'cause it's rare
that we find ourselves down in one of these things, but we have
properly disappeared. Courtney has taken us into a
deep, dark corner of shoe porn. Here to end the podcast, so we
apologise. Can I just drag us out of your
dark dirty closet for a moment, Courtney?
Sure. Gold Coast marathon this
weekend, Sydney Major the next one on the horizon for a lot of
people. We know there's gonna the hype
around Elliot is gonna start building.
Kichogo coming to town? Jump on YouTube, there's an
first episode about Elliot's journey to Sydney 'cause he's
never been to Australia. Before I did see it was this one
that had Kangaroos. Well, they show me using
Kangaroos. I think so.
But yeah, but there's a go and have a watch of it.
It's just gonna start to build the excitement.
The other great news as well is, and it shouldn't be, look, it's
hard when the shadow of Elliot Kipchoga comes along around a
marathon to get excited about anything else.
Everything does kind of get put in the shade.
But Sufan Hassan, who is the Netherlands gold medallist from
last Olympic, Paris Olympics, she signed on, She's coming.
So this is massive that another world class superstar of the
sport and Kenya's Bridget Cosgay is also running.
So suddenly this marathon, Yep, it's got major classification.
But that I guess doesn't entitle you to, doesn't guarantee a
great race. Suddenly now on paper, Yep, it's
got the world, the major classification.
Now you've got a field that is worth like, you know, I'm my
excitement is really building about Sydney.
Do you know what does guarantee you a great race?
What's that money? Yeah, you're such a silly get.
Get back in your dirty. Shoe that is awesome.
They're all comedy shoe closet. It takes a bit to get you.
You know, I think this is not just running like it is hard to,
you know, get international superstars down to Australia
just when they're in season. It is a long bloody way to
travel. So it does take something to get
them there and it's great to see they're all in town.
Do you know Wayne Larden, the race director acquaintance?
No, I'm just. I just saw his name mention I I
don't know Wayne. I've never met Wayne.
I'm curious to know whether. Wayne was a very, very handy
runner himself. Was he and and around triathlon
when I was in my earlier days? Here's something just question
out of left field to finish the pod, do you need to be a good
runner or have been a good runner to be a good race
director? No.
OK. Does it help?
Because I'm thinking of the analogy of footy coaching to
footy players, right? I don't think so.
I think you just got to be an amazingly efficient organiser.
OK, Yeah, no, I don't think you have to have run a race.
I think anything you're doing, it's it it's very helpful to be
passionate about it. There you go.
That's probably more important. There you go.
All right, well, we're. Passionate about Have a great
call at Gold Coast on this weekend and good luck to
everyone. It's been a long road coming and
it's on. And make sure if you're not
already, if you're one of the listeners of the podcast and
you're not already following the Instagram account, jump on
because I'm going to be taking over the Instagram account on
Saturday and Sunday morning at the Gold Coast Marathon
finishing line. Amazing.
All right.