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In the beginning, episode 74, we
are back. 

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Courtney, take it away. 
I'll know you've got something 

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you want to jump into. 
I. 

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Do Liam, I do Liam. 
If you've got to go to a fast 

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food drive through, which is 
what's your choice? 

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I'm, I'm Macca's. 
You Macca's. 

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Yeah. 
McDonald's. 

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I I little I I get discounted 
coffees because of my work 

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situation. 
Are you like a police officer or

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do they get freebies? 
I'm not like, let's be clear, 

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I'm not like a boy. 
Oh, for a free they have they 

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have an important job, but I do 
get a little discount on my oh, 

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you you Oh my God, McDonald's 
high. 

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Hey, well, McDonald's gonna be 
happy where I'm going with this.

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So the other night I went did a 
quick call in for a bit of take 

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away. 
You know how it is when the 

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family and you're like coming 
home late on a Friday night. 

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And I was like, oh, we need 
dinner. 

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Rang my son. 
What do we want? 

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KFC. 
Yeah, KFC. 

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What's the price? 
The Dirty bird. 

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Yeah, over here at Robina, I 
waited 25 minutes in the drive 

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through for KFC on a Friday 
night. 

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It was jam packed. 
Traffic jams next door. 

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Mackers could have just flown 
through. 

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I don't want to interrupt your 
flow with KFC because I know 

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there's a point to this. 
We'll get at McDonald's. 

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Have you ever done Mcappy Day? 
No, you're kidding. 

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I would have thought you would 
have been. 

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You would have got a crack at 
Mcappy Day over the. 

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Years. 
I've eaten plenty of Mcappy Day.

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Yeah, Mccabbie Day, I did it 
this year for the first time and

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I went into McDonald's. 
And for those that don't know, 

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basically their drive through 
system, the reason they're so 

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efficient is because it's a 
competition. 

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It's gamified up on the screen 
of McDonald's. 

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A timer. 
That you can see they have a 

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benchmark and you can see every 
other McDonald's in Australia 

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there is a leaderboard. 
Oh, in a few. 

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There is a leaderboard showing 
you your local area and all the 

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the leaders nationally of the 
countries that are best 

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performing in terms of moving 
the cars through at the desired 

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pace through the. 
So if you're underperforming, it

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starts to go red and green, you 
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They are, they are an amazing 
drive for McDonald's. 

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But KFC at the moment, it's like
a resurgence. 

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They are jam packed. 
What's going on? 

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Well, I don't know, but this is 
what brings me to today. 

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KFC are starting to use fitness 
creators to push protein. 

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Stop. 
I'm not saying that stop have a 

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stop. 
Let's just have a listen to 

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this. 
This is off their socials. 

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Everyone loved our protein hack.
KFC now have even more in the 

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works and we have time with 
their food innovation expert to 

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find out more. 
You're going through a cutting 

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stage. 
What would you order to save 

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calories? 
Have you tried a zinger? 

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No Mayo. 
I have one for twice. 

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Is there such thing as too many 
zinger fillet? 

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I think what you're ordering 
your own time is not up to me. 

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Give me shut up. 
I won't go through the whole 

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thing right, but I'm looking at 
this some of the some of the 

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advertisers around new PBS let's
go. 

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But what they have done and now 
I'm interested in this OK, 

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because I love. 
A bit of KFC? 

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Sure. 
Who? 

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Doesn't love a bit of KFC and 
they've got this new protein 

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bowl right and they're pitching 
it as a healthy option. 

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Which it probably. 
Is chicken on salad 44 grammes 

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of protein Right. 
The the protein pack 40 grammes 

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of protein. 
The protein bowl 44 grammes of 

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protein. 
OK, but more interesting. 

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Yeah, they're they're actually 
targeting fitness. 

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What do you what bulking meat 
burger. 

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They're actually have a look at 
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Oh. 
I've got, I've got it up in 

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front of me. 
First reaction is I think 

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fitness focused people aren't 
going to be fooled by this, 

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aren't going to be convinced 
that, Oh yeah, I've, I haven't 

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been eating. 
I've been avoiding fast food 

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options because I wanted to live
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But now they're telling me it 
can be part of my healthy 

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lifestyle. 
Oh, of course I'll come back. 

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You're not, it's you're not 
flicking the switch there. 

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What you are putting my 
marketing hat on. 

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I would imagine they're going, 
it's more a retention than it is

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in a track like it's rather than
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you're looking at ways to retain
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So for those that might maybe in
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thinking about looking, 
exploring healthier options in 

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their life, they're going, Oh, 
no, you can get them here, Don't

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worry about it. 
I I think food preps good. 

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I saw I I drove through the 
drive through the other day just

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getting the usual chicken and 
saw this bowl and I'll I didn't.

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Did you have it? 
No, I didn't get the bowl. 

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OK, so it didn't work, no, 
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I just go for the chicken 
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But I saw the bowl and I 
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that as a quick lunch if I 
needed to, and I was on the fly,

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sure. 
This I think. 

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But so where I'm going with 
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Remember when fat Fat was like 
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Yeah. 
To the world was once fat. 

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Yeah. 
And that's that one. 

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You just don't hear about anyone
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anymore, do you? 
This is well, we've talked about

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this. 
Hey, it became up with Jelly 

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Roll the. 
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It starts and finishes at the 
fridge, all for anybody out 

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there and I am going through it 
right now as well with my Mylar 

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training. 
I am, I'm running my I'm in 

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running shape, fitness wise, 
aerobic capacity, uphills. 

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We'll talk about it but a bit 
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I'm running really well. 
For me to lose weight, I need to

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change how I'm eating for me to.
Lay off the cake, not lay off 

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the Mac. 
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mile a race, Yep, I need. 
It's not about running more. 

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I'm running more than I ever 
have and I have been for a good 

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six week block now. 
It's the food, it's the diet. 

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To this point about KFC, great. 
I love that you are genuinely 

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and I've got I, I'll take you at
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healthier option than other 
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People don't have to keep Maccas
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options out of your life if 
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everything in moderation. 
But that's the point. 

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It's moderation and don't. 
And I would say personally, I'm 

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not going to go to KFC for a 
healthier option. 

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If I'm going to KFC, load me up 
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the potato and gravy you. 
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Give me a Mountain Dew and let 
me let my brain explode with the

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effects of all that stuff. 
Do you do do the frozen upgrade?

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I've never done the frozen 
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Oh mate, you sound like you're a
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I don't mind the three piece 
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Yes, the three piece. 
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frozen Mountain Dew. 
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Zingerberg meal with the frozen 
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I want a frozen mountain juice 
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one. 
If you have to go out running in

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the heat. 
Yes. 22 porta calls on the way 

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home, right? 
Actually 3 because Maccas is an 

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is an option as well. 
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let's call them vendors or or 
restaurants that always make the

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frozen drinks cheap to get you 
to buy something else. 

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You can go through 711, get the 
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Macca's is frozen. 
Coat is what, 2 bucks? 

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Yep, Yep, and seven 11711 KFC. 
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did. 
I had a 17K just flat cruisy 

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run. 
I got about 11 KFC and I was 

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just feeling a bit. 
But that 711 at Kira, yeah, 

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stopped off, grab himself a Kit 
Kat junkie and a large Slurpee. 

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Slurpee. 
It's the greatest mid run snack 

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of all time. 
Slurpee's are the best value 

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drink going out there. 
Come here. 

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It's literally like we're doing 
more to the drink but charging 

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you less. 
I haven't Gatorade or Powerade 

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or Maximus ever done a Slurpee. 
Well, Maximus were the original 

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ones. 
Who did the frozen Maximus? 

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You can still get those in in 
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Yes, they still have the frozen.
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have been throwing some Gator 
like they're not doing their own

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Maximus fridge where they block 
block competition out. 

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So they're doing I see Gatorade 
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They've got some of their larger
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A Gatorade slurpy be good or a 
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Good. 
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were in the our dietitian, great
Cox isn't was our dietitian at 

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the time. 
He used to take a Slurpee 

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machine with us to go and race 
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So if we were in Singapore 
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Olympics, we were trialling 
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and post race. 
So he'd have his Slurpee machine

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with, I'm pretty sure it was 
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our sponsors filling up the old 
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Gatorade up or just a Slurpee 
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It was it good? 
Bloody oath. 

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Oh hey, I'm here advocating for 
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call them. 
Yeah, why don't we see? 

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What about the old slush 
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Slush puppies are still going 
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We had them come in the radio 
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They they solved their issue 
though, right? 

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Because slush puppies in the 
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the all the sugar and syrup out 
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with ice. 
The better mix the mixers now. 

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Why haven't we seen? 
I'm trying to think of marathon 

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activation. 
Why are we seeing slush slurpy, 

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slushy machines at these 
marathon things? 

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Yeah, a hot one halfway through 
the run that would go down a 

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tree. 
Oh, imagine a this is an improv 

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Liam scam. 
Imagine an aid station, a slurp 

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aid station, slush aid station. 
Slushy. 

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Imagine that. 
Anyway, we can agree one of the 

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best inventions. 
Oh, outstanding. 

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My kids when my kids no, since 
since the my kids whenever they 

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say, can we get it slushy? 
I'm like, yes, you can. 

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And dad's having one too. 100% 
undeniable, 100% good start, 

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great value. 
Where are we going next court? 

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I, I'm, we said we wouldn't go 
there. 

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Apex Athletes. 
Hey, this is on you. 

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I I've I've abided by your 
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this, but. 
This I like the direction of 

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this is gone. 
So Tim Rigby and Ella who I used

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to swim with does a fair bit of 
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trail running, but she used to 
swim with me at or I used to 

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swim with her. 
I should rephrase that at Bond 

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swimming and this was at the 
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swimming out of Bond University.
So I was doing some Sprint 

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training out of there with them.
Now when you talk about we've, 

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we've been discussing this apex 
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press and then them trying to 
run under 250 and you know, 

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we've joked about mediocracy, 
you know, that's the aim. 

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This is the true apex. 
This is a true apex. 

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So this is what Cam's doing at 
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It's he's dropped it as it's a 
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He's done 2 pull ups at 70 KG, 
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he's lifting 157 kilos. 
He runs up the other end of the 

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pool, jumps in for a 25 Sprint 
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metre Sprint. 2 pull ups at 70 
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You're going to attach me to 
your Liam? 

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Yeah, yeah, basically your. 
UPS. 

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I kind of want to try it. 
OK, keep going and then jump in 

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the pool and swim a sub 10 
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So that's under, you know, for 
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well, I mean he's the fastest in
the world, right? 

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Here's the drama. 
I fundamentally can't do that 

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second bit. 
And this is where I wanted to go

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with. 
This can't do that second. 

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Bit because no one can 
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this. 
We can't. 

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This is not celebrated at like 
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is talking about apex athletes 
running under two 50s averages. 

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This is what elite looks like. 
And that's the problem with 

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elite athletes, The challenge, 
let's not call it a problem. 

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The challenge with elite 
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have to face in the new world of
social media is no one can 

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comprehend it. 
So the ability to be able to 

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explain just how high end this 
is gets lost and what we talk 

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about is things that the bulk 
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Here's here's the here's the 
clip. 

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Here's the real for this 
episode. 

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Say that again with the passion 
and venom corny. 

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That was great. 
I love because. 

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You can't if you can't 
comprehend it. 

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It's hard to celebrate, but you 
put something that's average out

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there that everyone can 
comprehend, you get the masses 

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chasing it and then there's 
suddenly there's celebration 

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over something. 
What you've just said should 

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ultimately destroy the Apex 
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It really should. 
You've put it beautifully, it 

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should. 
That statement there this. 

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Guy's using using the lifting 
like lifting ability to transfer

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directly to becoming the best 
person in the world. 

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All right, I've looked up. 
Yep, because really, I'm happy 

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for this conversation to 
continue, but it needs a 

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rebrand. 
Because when you look up the 

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definition of apex, the highest 
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or highest part of something, a 
250A sub 250 marathon ain't the 

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highest point. 
And that bench press mark is not

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the highest point. 
No. 

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Cam McAvoy, he's starting to 
play around with things at the 

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highest point. 
Yeah. 

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And look, I can't comprehend 
what 70 kilos. 

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I can comprehend what a 
substance 10 seconds swim 25 

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when I was a kid. 
Yeah, and just how fast that is.

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But I mean, but I think that in 
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that way, you have to put me, 
strap me to you Liam and try and

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pull me up in a pull up. 
I'm trying to think of a better 

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name for it because I still 
don't. 

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I don't mind the this whole 
thought social media experiment,

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this idea of the sub 250 in the 
bench press mark. 

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I don't mind it as an 
exploration. 

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Now that you've put it so 
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I do have a problem with it 
being called apex. 

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The apex athletes because 
they're not they're they're 

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incredible hybrid. 
You're a hybrid athlete. 

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So it needs to have a new title,
your hybrid, your Jack hybrids, 

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because they're jacks of of 
couple of trades, but masters of

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none really. 
Yeah, it's the it's the athlete 

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Jacks, the Jack athletes. 
I'm not going to get into the 

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into the fighter that's. 
What you've sum that up the. 

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Appreciation of what is 
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The challenge is we just can't. 
The the reason it's so elite is 

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you can't understand it. 
Let's keep celebrating Elite 

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Jack. 
Jack Rayner. 

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Bloody. 
New half marathon Australian 

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record. 240 nines. 
For only the second ever Aussie 

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to go sub one hour for the half 
marathon, he's broken the record

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that was held by Brett. 
Brett Robinson, Excuse me? 

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Took 6 seconds off it too. 
Like it's a good run. 

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He ran it in Barcelona last 
weekend. 

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How much of A flex is it to go? 
What's your half mat like? 

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Sub 60? 
Like you're in the single 

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figures. 
Well, yeah, it's, it's literally

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it's it's you're talking, Yeah, 
double digits, not triple. 

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Digits. 
Yeah, it's putting it into a 

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whole. 
New don't have to put the hour 

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mark in. 
It's like. 

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Well, we kind of say that like 
what? 

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What's your half mirror? 
Oh yeah, a runner 69 or a runner

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80 or something. 
Like we all try and do it, but 

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this is actually legit. 
I actually run so it's not in 

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the hours. 
Talk to me a bit about it. 

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Do you know Jack? 
Well, do you know Jack at all? 

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I I know, I know. 
I've spent a bit of time with 

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Jack like out. 
Was he up at Falls Creek when 

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you've been up there on a couple
of occasions or? 

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Round F1 anyway things, yeah. 
The reason I ask 30 years of 

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age, Jack's 30. 
Where's he at with his running 

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career? 
Do you think, given that we've 

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just seen this performance, 
we've got an Olympic Games two 

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years away for in in America, 
Where's where do you think he's?

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I don't know a lot about. 
I think I'm looking at he, he 

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competed in the 2021 or Olympics
in Tokyo. 

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Where's he at with his running? 
Where do you think he's capable 

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of? 
What's you know, do you know 

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much about what his ceiling 
could be if he's if he's getting

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to this point now? 
Oh, I don't, I'm not gonna 

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pretend to talk for anyone, but 
I mean, he's, we know we're, I 

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mean, I'll talk from a like a 
more commercial point. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Road. 

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I mean, Jack's been a mate, like
he's raced for us in like for 

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Australia at all the games and 
everything. 

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He's like, you know, amazing 
Roadrunner, but always goes back

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to the track tracks, kind of 
where he's been putting his 

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efforts. 
I mean, where ro where running 

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is and where the masses is and 
where commercial is. 

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You'd have to think it's on the 
road. 

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OK. 
And I mean, now with this 

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performance, you know, I would 
like, I mean, the next question 

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would have to be what's his 
marathon look like? 

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So let's just remind everybody 
playing along. 

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Andy Buchanan, friend of the 
podcast Two O 622 is his 

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Australian record marathon time 
according to Wikipedia. 

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Jack current PB is a 211 which 
he set six years ago in London. 

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He hasn't run APB according to 
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that new half marathon 
Australian record would suggest 

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that whatever he's been doing, 
the the speed is now improving. 

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It's there. 
It's better than it's ever been 

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for him over the distance. 
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I, I don't 

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know about maybe we've got to 
get him, get him on to have a 

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chat at some stage because he's 
I, I, I find Jack. 

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I mean, most people, you look at
Jack and there's like Steve 

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Prefonte. 
Well, he's got the big 

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moustache, he's got the big, 
he's got a big flowy moustache. 

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Yeah, I mean, it'd be great to, 
let's say just like Andy has 

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gone out now with his YouTube 
series and runners are becoming 

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more accessible, We're seeing 
behind the scenes what they do 

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and all that type of thing. 
I reckon Jack would be a really 

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interesting one to see more of 
and understand more of. 

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Let's get him on. 
By the I mean he. 

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Won but no not but not not he 
necessarily, just no general 

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like. 
Let's get him on, Let's get him 

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on. 
He won Melbourne Marathon last 

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year. 
Obviously he's got his own 

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podcast. 
Let well, hey, why don't we can 

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He'll he'll come on this, you 
know when rising. 

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What is it? 
Rising tide lifts all shifts. 

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Don't worry. 
He doesn't have to worry about. 

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You know this me threatening his
marathon potential. 

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He'll be fine. 
Great to see Aussie running 

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continuing the bar continuing to
be lowered for Aussie Records on

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that front. 
Yeah, I mean running like both 

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male and female, right? 
They just continue to keep 

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kicking goals. 
While we're talking Olympics, 

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can I deviate ever so ever so 
quickly? 

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Yep. 
Have you seen the story of 

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Benoit Rashard? 
No, Benoit Rashard, Were you 

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always coached by Australians at
the Olympic level? 

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I was OK, but right at the 
moment in triathlon our juniors 

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are being coached by a German 
and a. 

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Brit and how did how, how do you
feel about that? 

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I know. 
I don't think they're pretty 

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good crew, so I know that's 
about. 

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It. 
But do you think you subscribe 

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to the idea that at an? 
International, I think, I think 

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now, I think now in today's 
world it's it's mute. 

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It's like it's just what 
happens, OK. 

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Just like in swimming, someone 
like Dennis Cottrill went up to 

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help the Chinese. 
I think lately there's been 

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another Australian swim coach up
with the Chinese and cross 

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pollination that all really 
kicked off around the British to

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around. 
When they went and stole all our

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all our swim coaches. 
So I think that's the the days 

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of even having a discussion 
about it's long gone. 

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However, when I was racing, 
there was still A at least a 

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little bit of a patriotic thing 
of like it, it should be in 

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house. 
Yep, nearly nearly from a 

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competitive point of view, I 
think this whole idea of 

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Olympics and country versus 
country, do you think there's 

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some like, how do you feel like 
do you think there's some type 

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of notion of like it should all 
have to come from your country? 

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You're fighting against other 
countries for their medals. 

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It should kind of come from your
country than expertise and and 

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the fight. 
That's interesting. 

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I hadn't thought about the idea 
that if if you are fighting for 

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the medals as a country, the IP 
at the coaching level should 

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also be from your country. 
That's really interesting. 

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That's what I imagine. 
That's how I felt internally 

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when I was young, OK, But then 
it became so normalised. 

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The reason, let me finish off 
this and get back to that, 

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because that's a really 
interesting point you've just 

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hit on. 
Benoit Richard, for those not 

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aware, is a figure skating 
coach, an ice skating coach, and

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at the Milano Cortina Winter 
Olympics, at the moment, he is 

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the coach or the trainer for 16 
athletes. 

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Yeah, these 16 athletes are from
13 different countries. 

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And the reason he's become known
is because what's happening is 

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one of his athletes or pairs 
leaves the ice. 

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Let's say he from Georgia, the 
country of Georgia, and here 

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he's wearing the Georgian 
uniform. 

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Next thing you know, another one
of his athletes from a different

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country enters the ice and he 
changes jackets. 

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So he's being spotted doing 
these Taylor Swift style 

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wardrobe changes ringside to 
reflect the athletes on the ice.

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Conflict of interest, 
absolutely, undeniably. 

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Obviously he wants all of his 
athletes to succeed. 

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So you can say he's able to 
separate those things but 

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imagine if he got he was 
suddenly told I mean he's 

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French, right? 
So you cannot coach Italians or 

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Georgians or whoever you. 
Reckon he has 16 rooms at the 

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Olympic Village. 
That's a good. 

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Question Where does he sleep? 
It's a really good question. 

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They bunk him bunk, give him a 
bunk in each each of the 

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countries. 
I reckon whichever athlete, 

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whichever country's got the best
digs is probably where he's 

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laying his head at night. 
Going back to that idea, I think

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this is something the Olympics 
should be implementing. 

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You should have to hold a 
passport for the country you're 

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coaching, just like competing at
the international level. 

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Yeah, because the other sport 
where this plays into it is 

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often, I think you you hear 
about it in Australia anyway, 

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because it's rugby union is, is 
typically the most international

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football codes. 
And there was that whole 

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conversation, remember when they
first appointed Robbie Deans and

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there was this big conversation 
about a Kiwi coaching the 

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Wallabies. 
It was, I feel like it was a 

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huge sticking point. 
Wendy, I'm just looking it up 

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now in front of me. 
He took over from John Connolly.

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So he, Robbie Deans was in 
charge from 2008 for a five year

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stretch and we kind of went at 
about 50. 

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Percent win rate, Yeah. 
And then all the same stuff with

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Eddie Jones. 
We've been, we tell you what, we

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have not been good since Robbie 
Deans left off. 

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But and then the Eddie Jones 
stuff when he went and coached 

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everyone. 
Yeah, anyone, and I'm not 

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interviewing for that, but we're
if they came and said to you, if

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Triathlon Australia came and 
said to you, Courtney, we're 

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thinking about going back to 
Australian only coaching at an 

451
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,200
international level. 
What would you say? 

452
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,920
I'd. 
Say they're not going to go very

453
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,840
well. 
Bang Bang, no, look, it's the 

454
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,840
like I said, it's well and truly
a multi national effort on 

455
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,120
multiple things. 
It used to be the note, like 

456
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,640
when I was early days in 
triathlon, international 

457
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,200
athletes would come in say to 
swim with Dennis Cottrell 

458
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,880
because that's where the best 
triathletes in Australia were 

459
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,920
swimming. 
And again, like that Australian 

460
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:33,320
IP of what work would slowly 
seep out into other countries, 

461
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,080
right. 
So you'd be improving other 

462
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,080
athletes. 
I don't, I don't think it's one 

463
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,200
of those things people go like 
they call it, what is it 

464
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,840
gatekeeping now and running and 
stuff like that. 

465
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,800
That was the thing. 
But if you think about it on the

466
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,040
most basic terms, if 
representing your country at the

467
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Olympics is, you know, the 
pinnacle and that's what you're 

468
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,560
doing, it is an interesting 
notion of having different 

469
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,040
countries helping other 
countries. 

470
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,160
And also it would be a bit rich 
of Australia to suddenly go, no,

471
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,040
no, no, we can't have overseas 
coaches when over the years we 

472
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,440
have been, we, we could not get 
the immigration form sign quick 

473
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,600
enough for people like Kostjazu 
or Tatiana Grigorieva or any of 

474
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,280
these athletes. 
That sort of chance of winning 

475
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,440
things for Dale Begg Smith at 
the Winter Olympics, Aussie Dale

476
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,920
who's as Canadian as Maple 
syrup. 

477
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,480
But if they are a chance to put 
on our uniform and cross the 

478
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,720
line first, we sign them up in a
heartbeat. 

479
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,160
And and same with coaches. 
So I mean, yeah, it's a good, 

480
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,600
it's a good conversation and 
chat, but but it's well truly 

481
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,040
flowing. 
Yeah. 

482
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,000
And the horses bottom on that 
one. 

483
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Where are we going next? 
This was I picked this up 

484
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,560
because again, just because 
we've been chatting about Jelly 

485
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,120
Roll since we we chatted to him 
up at the Entertainment Centre 

486
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,440
campaign. 
Do you remember we yes, I talked

487
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,480
about him. 
I saw him on the weekend. 

488
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200
How's this? 
This is an amazing you saw it at

489
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,480
the start of the thing. 
So he's literally out. 

490
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,200
He's a bow hunter. 
I mean that's where he made his 

491
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,600
name in the, I suppose public 
space Supercross in America. 

492
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,320
So the motor motocross style 
indoor stadium event got him up 

493
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,960
and to start the event they got 
him to literally shoot his bow 

494
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,160
at an explode the ground 
effectively shot a kerosene 

495
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:28,560
bottle that like created a 
massive massive a start event of

496
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,520
fire of their logo in the middle
of the state. 

497
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,840
Only in America. 
Only in America. 

498
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680
This isn't only in America type 
thing. 

499
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440
Like the fact, because those, I 
mean, he's a professional, 

500
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,800
right? 
Don't get me wrong, but a bow, 

501
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,040
even just the notion of a bow 
and arrow just being shot out in

502
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,520
the middle of the stadium would 
be like here in Australia. 

503
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,600
What? 
What go back to? 

504
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,920
Was it Barcelona? 
That's right, the 92 Barcelona 

505
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Olympics with the Archer. 
Yeah, but they, but they only 

506
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,520
had to get like if you actually 
looked at where they were 

507
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,320
shooting, they didn't have they 
had a pretty wide range of. 

508
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,360
Yeah, it was a the cauldron to 
light flame was quite loud. 

509
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,400
I'm actually not sure whether 
that still is. 

510
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,240
No, I did. 
Conspiracy theory, isn't it? 

511
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,520
That he missed. 
I think it just they were gonna 

512
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,040
light that regardless of what 
happened. 

513
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,480
That could have gone on three 
me. 

514
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,360
It was like when you hit tee off
in golf. 

515
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,760
They expected they. 
Expected. 

516
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Australia to get past the lot, 
the lady said. 

517
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,080
I'm bringing it up in front of 
me right now. 

518
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:30,000
So this is, it's the Paralympic 
Archer who takes the hold. 

519
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,880
He gets his flame lit. 
It gets to the cauldron or that 

520
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760
you can sort of maybe see. 
I think I remember seeing this 

521
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160
video slowed down once and 
there's suggestion that you see 

522
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,200
it fly past. 
All the conspiracy, I mean, 

523
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,160
there's, it does go up. 
There could be a lot of gas just

524
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,200
in that whole area. 
This very. 

525
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Quickly, this was your and it 
wasn't that far either. 

526
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Let's just say since it was in 
America, it probably might have 

527
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,880
been 200 yards or something. 
And he's hit bang on the spot 

528
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,560
and it's all, you know, I, I 
just thought, you know, this is,

529
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,160
this is what we need more of. 
So. 

530
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920
As. 
You think about the idea 

531
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,880
because, look, one of the 
recurring themes on this podcast

532
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,440
is event activation. 
Now more and more events aren't 

533
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720
struggling to sell out. 
They're not struggling for 

534
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,920
participation. 
It's not about ticket sales, 

535
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,200
it's about experience. 
It's about activation. 

536
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,400
It's about how do you provide 
maximum value for the people and

537
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,640
the sponsors around these 
things. 

538
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,840
I think the Gold Coast 
Marathon's tradition of Rob D 

539
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Costella's pump up speech on the
start line is brilliant. 

540
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,240
He is an icon of Australian, not
just running but sport. 

541
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760
Everyone knows Dicks, Everyone 
remembers Dicks from the ads 

542
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,800
early morning on the weekends 
when he was on the commercials. 

543
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,120
He's such an icon. 
He's an ambassador of the event 

544
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,440
and genuinely I got to stand 
next to him for that pump up 

545
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680
speech last year. 
People still talk to me about 

546
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,520
you telling the your calf story 
with him and they do it and they

547
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,520
believe it works. 
Oh, the, the toothbrush, yeah, 

548
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,560
yeah. 
Stand on one calf in the 

549
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,880
morning, stand on the other calf
in the there you go, 2 minutes. 

550
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,440
But I love that as a tradition 
and I think it's really, it's 

551
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720
unique, it's specific and it's 
kind of locked in now. 

552
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,080
And people are reverential about
hearing Dicks on the start line.

553
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
I don't know about the Sydney or
Melbourne. 

554
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,160
I can't speak them because I 
haven't run them. 

555
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320
I think if they don't have a 
start line tradition, they 

556
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,720
should get one. 
Yeah. 

557
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,560
And and, and. 
Hey. 

558
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Fireworks. 
I don't, I just don't. 

559
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,400
I can't. 
I don't think you can go past 

560
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,920
fire. 
No like keep. 

561
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Going. 
So keep going. 

562
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Set the Harbour Bridge on fire. 
At least put fireworks across 

563
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,520
the Harbour Bridge as the 
leaders go across. 

564
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160
Fireworks during the daytime 
worth it? 

565
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Yes, yes, the the feeling you 
get when you're in a a stadium 

566
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000
or you're somewhere and then 
they all of a sudden just start 

567
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
whacking out some fireworks. 
It changes the event. 

568
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
OK, or or or you what you don't 
call it fire, but you know 

569
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,840
stationary flames, you know like
when if you're watching, if 

570
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
you're in a stadium and you're 
watching guys do backflip on 

571
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560
motorbikes or some type of like 
monster car is. 

572
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Called, I know. 
They're called literally like 

573
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,720
you feel the heat. 
What guns? 

574
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,920
Flame. 
Flame throwers. 

575
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,160
People know what we're talking 
about. 

576
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,440
You know what you're talking 
about if you you think if you 

577
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,560
were running down the finish 
line of a marathon and you're 

578
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,440
just copping on the sides, like 
actually some flames that you're

579
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,040
coming down there. 
Here's a thought, Sydney Harbour

580
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,880
Bridge major marathon this year 
I would shoot off a specific 

581
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,520
flare firework when the final 
runner goes over the bridge. 

582
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720
So when So that way everyone's 
like, oh, the last run is over 

583
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,480
the bridge. 
Flares, I agree. 

584
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Flares. 
Why? 

585
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,160
Why wouldn't you start a race 
with a flare? 

586
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,600
It's good, it's good. 
It's. 

587
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Probably not great for the 
helicopters for it's. 

588
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,760
Probably not great for the TV 
coverage, but. 

589
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,960
The reason I say fire like that 
is that's what impresses me most

590
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,680
at those big events in the 
stadium. 

591
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,400
So I remember when we had our 
one and only AFL grand final up 

592
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,040
here at the Gabba, I went, MM, 
hmm. 

593
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,800
And I was sitting there and I 
remember, and at the time I was 

594
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,600
kind of like, yeah, AFL then 
we're running out, whatever. 

595
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000
And then the stadium lit up with
fireworks and flames. 

596
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,960
And that suddenly was like, this
is an event now. 

597
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Yeah, a stadium without the 
fireworks and the flames isn't 

598
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,120
an event. 
And I think we should be able to

599
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,720
transfer that to running. 
I agree. 

600
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Love it. 
There you go. 

601
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Opportunity. 
That's mine. 

602
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,760
That's opportunity. 
That's my idea. 

603
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,080
No, I I think it's you're 
joining in on the schemes. 

604
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640
I like it in the. 
Schemes a little bit of fun with

605
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,920
this one. 
You know we see the shoe what 

606
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920
shoes tell you about, but this 
was from I've come across this 

607
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,800
from plug in rehab and it's a 
few sayings about sports at the 

608
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000
moment and it is in jest good. 
I'm gonna I'm gonna run through 

609
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,360
them quickly. 
So the first one is hydra high 

610
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920
rocks athletes wearing a nasal 
strip then breathing out of 

611
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,640
their ass for 60 minutes. 
That's a that's a low blow easy 

612
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,000
1. 
It gets better Hold Stay with me

613
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,600
athletes obsessing over their 
Garmin data but ignoring how 

614
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,480
they actually feel. 
This one I love and I'll tell 

615
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360
you what, I've got a Garmin and 
I love it, right? 

616
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,840
I genuinely. 
Do you get the chirp that says 

617
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,120
your fitness is improved 1 + 1 
today and they go. 

618
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,320
What does that mean? 
Not just that but I also get 

619
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,960
every morning now my alarm goes 
off very early and it kicks in 

620
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,520
together. 
Watch wakes up and kicks in to 

621
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:43,320
gear at 4:00 AM and at 4 AMI get
my update based on it monitors 

622
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,200
my sleepover night to whatever 
extent. 

623
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Now I the thing about the watch 
is I it clearly can't tell when 

624
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,960
I go to sleep because some 
mornings it'll tell me I've had 

625
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,080
four hours sleep based on the 
fact it for some reason thinks I

626
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,160
only got off to sleep at 11:00 
PM. 

627
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640
But it's not. 
The case, well, I got into bed 

628
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,320
at 8:00 PM some more some 
nights. 

629
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,840
So I do laugh when it tells me 
and then if I feel like the 

630
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,360
watch gets offended as well. 
Because if you need to listen, 

631
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,240
listen for anybody, people. 
AI watches now, no? 

632
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,240
No, no, no. 
People will know this, right? 

633
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,040
If you have a garment, you will 
know this. 

634
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,000
I'll, I'll do it live on the 
podcast, right. 

635
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,640
When you go into your garment 
and you go into run, right? 

636
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Yeah, I'll show you. 
Ready. 

637
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240
I've clicked into run. 
It's given me a suggested run. 

638
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Oh, this is This is kind of like
Strava, the Strava take of. 

639
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
But wait, do this watch what 
happens it it is like Strava now

640
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,640
suggesting workouts for you. 
My watch here says today's 

641
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,120
suggestion base 535 KS at for 42
minutes right? 

642
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,880
That's it's suggestion for me 
today. 

643
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,440
If I say, if I click through and
say instead of do workout, if I 

644
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,200
dismiss watch how offended my 
watch gets. 

645
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
No, it hasn't done it this time.
But normally it says do you want

646
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560
any future workouts? 
It's like passive aggressively 

647
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,480
saying, well, if you're not 
going to listen to my workout. 

648
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Then piss off. 
Should I even bother to give 

649
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,679
these to you in future? 
Anyway, I completely agree with 

650
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:13,920
you. 
I think this is a good, Yeah, 

651
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,040
this is a good little. 
I like that one. 

652
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Good little saying keep going. 
Next one athletes copying pro 

653
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,560
athletes training plans and 
trying to fit it around having 

654
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560
family, work and having a life. 
I like this one. 

655
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,280
I like this one. 
And I also would say I would add

656
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:35,199
that can I adjust that to 
include influencers who are at a

657
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,560
different stage of their lives 
without full time jobs or 

658
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,199
families or anything that are 
maybe still living at home? 

659
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,159
Or perhaps, you know, I'm not 
begrudging you. 

660
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,560
I'm always. 
But I'm just saying your 

661
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,960
audience, people who might be 
following you and listening to 

662
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,160
you have a whole world of other 
problems you might not be aware 

663
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,600
of. 
So let's just pump the brakes on

664
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,920
the preachy preachy. 
Yeah, yeah, the the of since the

665
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,080
information age has been so 
like, you know, we, we can chat 

666
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,760
to an Andy Buchanan and he can 
tell us exactly what he does and

667
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,960
he's open about it. 
I believe it's been, it's great 

668
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,400
because information is being 
shared, but it's also being like

669
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,880
really detrimental to a lot of 
people because you do you look 

670
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,560
at what, what could be or been. 
Great for physios, it's. 

671
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Been great for physios, but 
yeah, it just it gives you a 

672
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,760
real warp sense. 
You got to remember when 

673
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
athletes are doing that, they've
I've got nothing. 

674
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,680
I shouldn't say I've got nothing
else to do, but they're doing 

675
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,440
everything, everything in their 
time to be able to and that 

676
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000
includes recovery, doing nothing
their job to be able to. 

677
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Do I look, I think about that 
when I see people at gyms and I 

678
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,040
go look at that person, I'm 
like, wait, it's their job. 

679
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,280
They, they, this is their place 
of work. 

680
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,480
They I would would hope that 
somebody who's at a gym telling 

681
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040
people how to professionally get
in shape. 

682
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Looks can do it, can't do it 
themselves to show you. 

683
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,320
Anyway. 
Yep, athletes adding another 

684
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,400
five hours of training to their 
training week because everyone 

685
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,400
keeps saying they need to do 20 
hours. 

686
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,360
I mean, it's kind of the same 
vein, isn't? 

687
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120
It it is, it's a, it's a 
comparison of, you know, 

688
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,360
removal. 
It was the old thing about 

689
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,880
comparisons of the thief and Joy
stuff. 

690
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,560
But this is the good one. 
OK, this is the good one. 

691
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Athletes asking what supplements
they need to be taking and then 

692
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,440
scrolling on Instagram to 1:00 
AM. 

693
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,480
Guilty of this talk point. 
Not not of the first half, but 

694
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,600
absolutely guilty of getting 
caught on my phone before bed. 

695
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Are you on? 
Do you take any supplements? 

696
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,640
A little bit of vitamin D OK, 
I'm I'm pretty bad at being 

697
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,040
consistent. 
I've been doing it to be a 

698
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,120
creatine. 
Yep, lately OK, finding much of 

699
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,520
a difference. 
No, OK. 

700
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,160
That that that's, that's another
whole conversation right around 

701
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:56,640
placebo and what you believe. 
And I would say in general on 

702
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,600
any of both training supplement,
any of this, I always, I always 

703
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,640
take the pessimistic side of 
things. 

704
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,320
Doesn't sound like you. 
No, I'm going to question 

705
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,040
everything, right? 
And I'm not going to believe 

706
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,960
something just because someone, 
one, either told me to believe 

707
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,360
it or two, because everyone's 
doing it. 

708
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,480
So that makes sense that it must
be right, because I've seen, 

709
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,880
I've seen enough cycles of both 
supplements and I've seen enough

710
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,880
cycles of whether it's training 
or cycles of just people being 

711
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,040
interested in sports come and go
that not much sticks around. 

712
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,880
It's probably why you're so it's
probably why you're so good at 

713
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,840
your actually like your job in 
the marketing space is because 

714
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,920
you not have a cynical outlook. 
But you have been through so 

715
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
much and seen so much in the 
elite athletes space and in the 

716
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,360
consumer product space that you 
it takes a not a lot to impress 

717
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040
you, but a lot to convince. 
You do you know the best, the 

718
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,600
best one of and I still remember
this so plain because I was 

719
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,240
younger at the time, but 
coenzyme Q10 do you know? 

720
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,880
Talking, I mean, you're. 
Talking Mandarin to me, you'll 

721
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,360
still see this, this in, you 
know, some products out there, 

722
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,080
you know, pre workouts and a 
whole range of things. 

723
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
And there's obviously at the 
time, there must there must be 

724
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,760
some evidence to back up that 
this has some positive effect on

725
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,320
something you think. 
But at the time I remember, I 

726
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,360
must have been in my late teens 
or early 20s and it was it, it 

727
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,960
was the creatine of what's now 
different, different effect. 

728
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,600
But just think of how everyone's
on creatine right now. 

729
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
And there's some really good 
evidence of creatine, by the 

730
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,840
way, hence why I'm actually 
taking it from an evidence based

731
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,720
point of view. 
But the this, yeah, everyone was

732
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,520
taking it now. 60 tablets used 
to cost you about 60 bucks. 

733
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,920
So it was inexpensive. 
And you're taking what I can't 

734
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,760
remember, maybe 2 a day, one a 
day, whatever. 

735
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
But it was an expensive exercise
if you wanted to go and take 

736
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
this stuff. 
It lasted a couple of years. 

737
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,320
OK, You you haven't heard of 
this product, have you? 

738
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,040
No. 
I mean, if you were an insurance

739
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,040
athlete and I'm gonna essay 
around that 2000, early 2000 

740
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,080
period, right. 
This was a product you would 

741
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,800
have been on Colostrum was 
another one. 

742
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
That's what if you they they 
give that to baby. 

743
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,480
It's like, that's breast milk, 
isn't it? 

744
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,760
Colostrum was another big one. 
We lost wheels. 

745
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,480
Yeah, yeah. 
It's, I think it's, it's 

746
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,120
literally a. 
It. 

747
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Comes in a precursor of mother's
milk. 

748
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,520
The only reason I've heard of 
colostrum is because I'm fairly 

749
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,080
certain that in my like prenatal
classes before my kids were 

750
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,920
born. 
So it's an antibody rich first 

751
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,240
milk produced by mammals, 
including humans. 

752
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,640
It's breast milk. 
During late pregnancy. 

753
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,920
You were taking this. 
Not just me. 

754
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Hey. 
Hey. 

755
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Yeah, Yeah, let's be clear. 
Wait. 

756
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Oh, hey. 
Hang on, hang on, hang on. 

757
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,800
I mean, we've all taken it at 
some point. 

758
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:03,000
It Yeah, yeah, no, no, it was a 
trending product just like we 

759
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,200
hear about different things are 
Brandy chain amino acids. 

760
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,240
Bunch of grubs, yeah. 
So there's there's anyone who 

761
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,840
would go back that you'll 
remember some of these products,

762
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,200
they come and they go. 
Look, I'm not saying certain 

763
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
things don't work, but just do 
your research. 

764
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Here question for you about the 
placebo effect. 

765
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:32,120
To go back to the start of this,
do you think even if there's no 

766
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,280
definitive change in biomarkers 
or anything like that, but 

767
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,520
mentally? 
Yes. 

768
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,760
Something is working for you? 
Yes. 

769
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Should you still take it or 
there's benefits? 

770
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Should you still take it? 
I mean, if it's benefiting you 

771
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,080
and that you can see a 
difference. 

772
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,920
But what even if you Yes. 
What even if you can't view a 

773
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120
difference? 
But if you believe in me, yeah. 

774
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,440
If you believe in it, this is 
half the battle. 

775
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,000
If you believe. 
Yeah, I don't. 

776
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,960
I'm not the scientist. 
I don't understand it. 

777
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,760
But if you believe and it seems 
to be making a difference, then 

778
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,080
half that. 
We, when we talk about this all 

779
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,440
the time, half the battle of 
these insurance sports is a 

780
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,320
mental outlook now that makes 
you feel better when you get up 

781
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
in the morning because you 
believe it's helping you, you 

782
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,080
know, feel fresher in the day. 
There's got to be a benefit. 

783
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,240
I I mean I'm not versed to be 
able to give you an answer on 

784
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,880
whether it actually 
interestingly makes you, but I 

785
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
am a believer in the placebo 
effect. 

786
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Well, I mean, you could argue 
arguably some of the recovery 

787
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,240
stuff that we've talked about, 
you know, there's, there's, 

788
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:43,360
there's data to suggest that 
there's data, you know, there's 

789
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,200
data if you want data to support
whatever you're feeling, you'll 

790
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,200
find that there's data to 
suggest that hot and cold 

791
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,440
plunges are the greatest 
recovery you can do. 

792
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,680
There's data to suggest that 
they do nothing. 

793
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640
There's but I guess it comes 
back to the thing but. 

794
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,960
But that's the interest. 
So there you've just presented 

795
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,240
what is the most interesting 
point in for me in this area of 

796
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:15,520
whole sports is if if the data 
doesn't, if there's some data 

797
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,160
that shows some type of benefit 
and everyone jumps on the 

798
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,120
bandwagon and doing that, you do
it, but you then don't 

799
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,720
physically, you can't put your 
finger on saying this is helping

800
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,840
me. 
I haven't seen any improvement 

801
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
in I don't feel like my muscles 
are feeling any better. 

802
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,440
I can't see, I can't unless I 
can go to the lab and test it 

803
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,280
and it shows a difference. 
That is for me, the biggest 

804
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,760
question in this whole area is 
like, should you be doing that? 

805
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,680
Because at that point, so is the
evidence that you're being shown

806
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,320
definitive enough that even if 
you're not feeling anything, you

807
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,440
know it's making a difference? 
So a good example would be 

808
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,600
caffeine for me. 
OK, so there's absolutely no 

809
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,160
doubt there's evidence in 
endurance sports. 

810
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,760
Caffeine, beyond the stimulant 
of caffeine has physiological 

811
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,920
effects that will help in 
endurance sports, right? 

812
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,920
I'm not going to. 
Someone else you don't need to 

813
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,080
see. 
You don't need to explain the 

814
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,160
science, but the evidence. 
But the data is there the. 

815
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,440
Evidence proved there. 
It's proven a science, right? 

816
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,840
When I'm racing an endurance 
event, can I physically feel 

817
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,280
like that made a difference? 
No. 

818
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,920
No. 
But I'm still gonna do that 

819
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,760
because I know the evidence is 
without doubt it's there. 

820
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:39,960
Yeah, it's look, we're, we're 
talking about things at an elite

821
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,040
level versus the everyday level 
we're talking about. 

822
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,080
This comes back to the idea of 
taking supplements, but also not

823
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,880
doing things like the simple 
things that don't require money.

824
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,440
You should. 
Probably question it more. 

825
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,400
Than to go to bed at night and 
get a good night's sleep. 

826
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,480
The free recovery stuff that's 
available to all of us without 

827
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,760
the need to go into a, you know,
a providor of supplements or 

828
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,920
anything like that. 
Yeah, look, this is a, it's a 

829
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,280
circular argument because those 
that believe in it will, Oh 

830
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,680
yeah, they're going to be hard 
to convince. 

831
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,680
And those that don't believe in 
it, sceptics are going to be 

832
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,480
hard to convince the other way. 
But I think to go back to where 

833
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,000
this all started, prioritise 
your sleep. 

834
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,720
That is one thing where the data
is undeniable. 

835
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Prioritise your sleep and if you
want. 

836
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,000
To wake up with a with a 
mocktail of supplements fill 

837
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,640
your boots this conversation is 
gonna stir a little Hornet sense

838
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,080
of our listeners good like just 
like I've got strong views on it

839
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,280
yeah everyone will have their 
view on this place if you and 

840
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,760
there's no way there's no 
actually there's no no one's 

841
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,600
right or wrong I. 
Would love no one's right or 

842
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,600
wrong. 
I guarantee you there's some 

843
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,080
people that are wrong. 
Well, they're gonna tell us what

844
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,880
wrong I. 
Would love to hear if there are 

845
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,000
advocates for particular 
supplements or you have a strict

846
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040
thing or whatever it is. 
Please comment, share, like 

847
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,480
promote this conversation. 
I find it fascinating to hear 

848
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,920
other people's opinions on this 
stuff. 

849
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,720
Yeah, I'm going to flip our 
script a little bit because I 

850
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,080
want to hear about your running.
Go, go. 

851
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,560
What's happening in. 
I've got a bit quiet from 

852
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,720
everyone this week on my. 
We've got some other things to 

853
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,080
chat about, but on your Milos, I
think everyone's giving up on 

854
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,680
you, Liam. 
What do you mean? 

855
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,280
Why is everyone giving up on me?
Oh. 

856
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,800
They're happy with the way 
you're going. 

857
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,360
I haven't got much. 
No one after last week, everyone

858
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,560
berating and I've got nothing 
much going on, no. 

859
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:26,160
Look, running is where are we 
people listening to this survey,

860
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,360
the 21st or this is the day it's
coming out. 

861
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,240
Running's really good. 
Big, big discovery, big 

862
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,360
breakthrough for me, very 
specific. 

863
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,480
But for the Gold Coast run 
community, people that have ever

864
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,400
run the 17 K loop at Nerang, 
there absolute revelation for 

865
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,920
me. 
It's much faster if you go 

866
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,840
clockwise. 
Why do you think? 

867
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,360
If you run that loop clockwise. 
You miss the real steep pinch. 

868
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,440
It's like I ran anticlockwise 
around that loop maybe 2 weeks 

869
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:06,880
ago, admittedly A relatively hot
day. 149 I ran clockwise this 

870
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,920
week, 149 minutes faster. 
Now you get a lot more of a 

871
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,040
gradual climb. 
Yeah, you get that big downhill 

872
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,360
too, which if there's a 
kilometre and a bit uphill after

873
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,560
the steep. 
Pinch, and then there's one 

874
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,880
steep pinch out of that Creek 
bed. 

875
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,160
To anyone who's never run this, 
they're thinking these guys are 

876
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,680
just talking steep pinch. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

877
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,440
But I've actually got you to, I 
believe I've got you to think a 

878
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,960
little bit later, OK? 
Because anyone who's local to 

879
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,400
the Gold Coast knows and knows 
the ring, the goat loops. 

880
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,240
Yes. 
And they've got a bit of a hold 

881
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,920
on. 
You know, when people come to 

882
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Narang to visit, they're like 
the goat loops. 

883
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Yeah, I can't remember. 
And I tried to find it in my 

884
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Strava today, but people have 
I've had a few people start 

885
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,840
calling it Courtney's 17 K loop.
Yes. 

886
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,360
And I'm like, Liam's helped me 
with that for sure. 

887
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,120
So thanks to a better name. 
No, it's just a better loop. 

888
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Hang on. 
I don't really care about the 

889
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,960
name. 
It's it's I just it's a better. 

890
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Loop great. 
It's a better loop, yeah. 

891
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,840
Great. 
It's it the the 17 K loop for 

892
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,000
those playing along at home. 
I actually I so I ran it the 

893
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000
other day and I gave a oh, here 
you go. 

894
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,920
So I did a 14227. 
I actually think I stopped to 

895
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,400
take a work call for a couple of
minutes. 

896
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Like at one point there was 
something going on anyway but 

897
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,560
looking at the all timer record.
Yes. 

898
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Do you know where you are? 
You're second all time. 2nd. 

899
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,600
You're in 2017. 
The the record is held by Jack 

900
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,840
Gill. 
Yeah, you know Jack. 

901
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,520
Yeah, I do know Jack runs very 
well. 

902
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:44,840
Jack ran it in 2022 at a 10934. 
Matt Hauser, yeah. 5th Yeah, 

903
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,280
he's probably jogged around. 
Needs needs to sharpen. 

904
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Friend of the pod Anderson 
sitting in 7th. 

905
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,280
So there's some big names in 
that top 10 on that loop. 

906
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,000
But no, I look to go back to my 
mile of stuff at the moment. 

907
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,800
I we are currently in in the 
process of working out a time 

908
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,640
for Holly Branson, who 4th place
finisher Tara. 

909
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,880
We're a recent golden ticket 
winner for Western states. 

910
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,800
Holly has said she's going to 
make her way down from the sunny

911
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,600
coast. 
Come for a run talk on the pod 

912
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,600
that is on the way. 
I feel great. 

913
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,000
My the body feels really good. 
I think as much as I talk about 

914
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,320
clockwise being faster on that 
loop, the revelation for me is 

915
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,440
that, and this is, I think it's 
a good learning for anybody 

916
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,960
that's out there training for 
anything. 

917
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,800
It's that old thing of you feel 
like you go and lift, you go and

918
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,520
do one set of weights at the gym
and you kind of then you stand 

919
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,280
and look in the mirror and you 
go, where's the difference? 

920
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,800
The difference comes like I've 
this is all stacked up. 

921
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,000
Probably This is probably my 
biggest running block 

922
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,880
consistently. 
What am I? 

923
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,520
So I'm going back. 
I'm just jumping on my Strava 

924
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,880
here. 
So you're saying every time you 

925
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,400
do this loop, you're being able 
to, you're benchmarking I'm, 

926
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,640
you'll be able to go, there's a 
I'm seeing some type of. 

927
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,840
I'm saying I'm seven weeks into 
this Myloprep, right? 

928
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,960
And it is a gradual build. 
It's the first week of this 

929
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:14,200
Myloprep was 56 KS, just shy of 
six hours with 1200 elevation. 

930
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,760
That was week 1 when I went out 
and ran this loop. 

931
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,200
I've got six weeks of that 
behind me and it felt easier. 

932
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,560
Yes, I wasn't pushing harder, 
but the same run with the same 

933
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,960
elevation, same distance felt 
easier. 

934
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,640
And I get back to the bottom and
I'm as opposed to being 

935
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,320
absolutely knackered and needing
to sit down and looking at my 

936
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,880
watch and going. 
That felt so hard. 

937
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,480
Yeah, I got to the bottom of 
this run and felt. 

938
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,480
Oh yeah, that was OK. 
That's what I mean. 

939
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,120
That's, that's what I've always 
talked about on here about you 

940
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,680
don't want to be too repetitive 
on things because then it gets 

941
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,640
boring. 
But benchmarking, if you've got 

942
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,200
a goal, benchmarking is an 
amazing way to manage yourself, 

943
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,440
really is, as long as you don't 
go over chasing week in the week

944
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,120
out. 
And that's the thing because 

945
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,760
that idea of benchmarking versus
chasing PBS and that's why the 

946
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,680
park run I think is a really 
great thing to be doing on 

947
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,040
occasion and not chasing your PB
every week. 

948
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,000
It's interesting though with the
17 K loop because if you do the 

949
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,760
17 K loop in the rang, it gives 
you about 650 metres elevation. 

950
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,320
It's roughly about 110th of what
I need to do. 

951
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,160
And so the, the thought I have 
post those runs is I go, OK, 

952
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,920
could you go out and do nine 
more of those? 

953
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Yes. 
And it's probably, yeah, 110th 

954
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,280
of the distance. 
It's well, it's 110th of the 

955
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,280
distance and just shy of 110th 
of the elevation. 

956
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,720
Yeah, right. 
So it is about. 

957
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,040
And there's some good, I mean 
there's some good long climbs in

958
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,600
there that test you out. 
But no, mate, honestly, I feel 

959
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,240
great. 
Here's a takeaway though, and 

960
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,960
this is a good one for anybody. 
That's anyone that might be 

961
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,040
interested in doing a bit of 
trail running and hasn't jumped 

962
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,680
off the path a lot yeah, there 
is a real difference between 

963
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,880
trail shoes and and road shoes. 
OK, I ran out I ran the Super 

964
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,280
blast, I ran the ASIC super 
blast twos. 

965
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,720
Now the ASIC super blast threes 
have just come out the road 

966
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
shoes, the road shoes. 
I only had the 2 super blast 

967
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,040
twos when I got out there to the
Narang the other day and 

968
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,760
normally I've been running that 
loop in either the Salomon ultra

969
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,040
guides or the Salomon forget 
what they call Genesis Genesis. 

970
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,680
So it's. 
Those a slab Genesis. 

971
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,960
A slab Genesis or the ultra 
glides. 

972
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,440
You go out and run a trail in 
your Rd shoes. 

973
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,400
Wouldn't recommend. 
What do you feel? 

974
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Like what's the difference? 
Explain to me. 

975
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,800
Stack height on the Super blast 
and I don't know exactly. 

976
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,000
I don't. 
Just less less stable. 

977
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Far less stable, far more ankle 
uncertainty for me running 

978
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,520
around there. 
Now, again, I ran APBI, ran 

979
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,120
faster than I ever have. 
I think that's the training, not

980
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,920
the shoes. 
The shoes are great though, by 

981
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,040
the way, I really like running 
on the roads in these stability,

982
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,880
but the stability is not there. 
And I saw somebody on that 

983
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,040
Border Trail run a couple of 
weeks back take a pair of their 

984
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,400
standard Rd shoes out onto the 
trail. 

985
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,560
I'm not saying you can't do it, 
but you are. 

986
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:11,080
I think I felt much less 
confident in my ankles and my 

987
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,560
foot placement. 
Yep. 

988
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,320
In these super blast twos than I
did running in either the the 

989
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,880
Genesis or the Ultra Glides. 
OK. 

990
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,680
That's good feedback it. 
Was yeah, yeah, yeah. 

991
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Now again I've been running out.
I've I've thrown out, I threw 

992
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,480
out the, I've run through the 
Puma Nitros, tried a really good

993
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,280
run in. 
I picked those up towards the 

994
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,680
end of last year going into 
these ASIC Super Blast twos back

995
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,880
on the road now. 
They're such a good shoe. 

996
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,640
Yeah, they're such a good 
everyday trainer shoe. 

997
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,200
They're just reliable for me as 
a pretty neutral runner. 

998
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,240
It's a rock solid shoe. 
The bounce, the foam, it's, it's

999
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,560
a great shoe to just run in. 
That's good to hear. 

1000
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,880
I mean, because this is the 
thing, right? 

1001
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Everyone's going to feed and the
way they run is a little bit 

1002
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,160
different and the fact that the 
Asic's for you obviously are 

1003
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640
working really well. 
As an everyday trainer along the

1004
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,200
road, I will not run in the 
trails on them again. 

1005
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,880
Not because I can't, but because
I don't. 

1006
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,480
Want to risk I when it comes to 
the trail shoes and not this 

1007
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,640
isn't about brand or which type 
or anything. 

1008
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,760
I just I always come back to 
feeling secure in my trail shoe 

1009
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,160
still has more importance than 
the softness of them. 

1010
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,600
But the softness of them 
actually contributes in, you 

1011
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,080
know, can contribute in a 
positive or negative way to that

1012
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,960
stability of them. 
But the biggest contributor to 

1013
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,720
that to me is actually the 
surface area. 

1014
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,720
Yes, of the shoe. 
So you don't want to be run 

1015
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,800
around in flippers either. 
Yeah, but there is a correlation

1016
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,320
between surface area of landing 
rubber and how stable you are. 

1017
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
You can't get away with that. 
So when when shoes start trying 

1018
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,320
to shortchange you on surface 
area on the trail to do other 

1019
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,160
things. 
Yeah, it to me just never ends 

1020
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,200
well. 
It should be, yeah. 

1021
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
It's like it's the base level of
the food pyramid. 

1022
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,760
And this is when I talk about 
running on trail, I mean some 

1023
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,080
type of there's some type of 
element on the trail. 

1024
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,360
It's a technique. 
It could be rocky, it could have

1025
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
roots, It could have like some 
of our fire. 

1026
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
That loop fire trail is kind of 
rough in some areas. 

1027
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,000
If you're going out on the spit 
trails, different things running

1028
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,280
whatever you want, but if you're
going up into some fire trails 

1029
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,600
that do present surface area, 
great matters. 

1030
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,800
Quickly speaking on injury, Yep,
I'm fine. 

1031
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:33,200
I almost broke my toe like my 
left on my left foot. 

1032
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:39,000
I almost in your shoes? 
No, I was in thongs and I was 

1033
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,520
down at nippers with the kids 
and I the E bike with the stand 

1034
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,440
and I've pulled the stand, I've 
pulled the bike back and the 

1035
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,440
stand has basically ground into 
my second toe. 

1036
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,640
It has been like there's, I was 
almost going to the doctor's to 

1037
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,360
get this checked. 
There's. 

1038
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,440
Karma for riding an E bike? 
Yeah, that's true. 

1039
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,280
I apologise. 
Hey, what's going on? 

1040
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,400
What's going on with you all 
running? 

1041
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,720
What have I done this week since
we chatted? 

1042
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,600
Because how are you feeling? 
Because whilst there's a lot of 

1043
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,720
attention on my, on my Mylar, 
which is coming up in May, we're

1044
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,760
still whatever we got 12 weeks 
away from that. 

1045
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680
You got a 10K that's creeping 
up. 

1046
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,480
It's coming quick, isn't? 
It the T110K event by the way, 

1047
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,280
less than. 
Four weeks now. 

1048
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,080
There's this idea about there's 
a term for it. 

1049
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,080
I wish I could remember it what 
it is, but it's like when you 

1050
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,200
start talking about something, 
it's like when you go to buy a 

1051
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,320
car or you buy a new car and 
suddenly that's the only car you

1052
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,600
see on the road. 
Or when you start talking about 

1053
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,720
ATV show and then suddenly 
you're seeing billboards for it 

1054
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,560
everywhere. 
I don't know if it's because 

1055
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,080
we're talking about the T100 a 
lot. 

1056
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,920
It's everywhere. 
It's everywhere at the moment. 

1057
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,960
I'm having people. 
I had, I was at a Titans media 

1058
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,360
lunch earlier on this week and I
had one of the journos from the 

1059
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,800
Courier Mail come up to me and 
say, Oh yeah, I'm running the, 

1060
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,560
I'm running the the T100. 
Point you out. 

1061
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,560
Yeah. 
Oh, he said he's he, he said, 

1062
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,400
mate, I'm running the T100. 
I had, I bumped into Anderson 

1063
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,120
from Wild Earth down at the 
playground the other days. 

1064
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,920
I got T100 it the noise is 
really building as we kept down 

1065
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,400
to this event. 
Yep, well I've got we promised 

1066
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,320
last week shoes, yes. 
Oh I haven't made a decision but

1067
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200
I have bought a pair. 
Can you actually you think 

1068
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,600
you'll run in or that you are 
going to try? 

1069
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,480
What's it I haven't bought like 
I mean you, you know my history 

1070
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,240
ranch. 
I probably haven't bought shoes 

1071
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,880
in good decade. 
How does it feel doing it? 

1072
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,680
Because I I have a similar 
feeling. 

1073
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,360
The privilege of radio. 
I'm aware when I have to buy 

1074
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,760
tickets to sport or music events
now there's a part of me that 

1075
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,920
goes. 
And again, privilege. 

1076
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,440
There's a part of me that goes, 
I don't feel like I should have 

1077
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,320
to be paying for this. 
And that just comes from a 

1078
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,080
decade working in radio when I'm
normally getting. 

1079
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,320
Things no no so I'm the beauty 
is I'm being able to try 

1080
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,400
everything yes and and I've got 
I've got so normally choice is 

1081
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,640
limited to a brand now the world
that it's. 

1082
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Too much they've taken. 
They've taken the blinkers of. 

1083
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,880
It, and I'll tell you, I've like
everyone else, I was probably, 

1084
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,160
I've been, you know, talking to 
people and then I've been on the

1085
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,480
web looking at rebounds and 
everything and, and different 

1086
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,080
sizes. 
And I bought 2 pairs of shoes 

1087
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,520
last week. 
Wow. 

1088
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:23,800
So I've upgraded my Bostons. 
OK, a new the new. 

1089
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,680
To the 13, the new model, 
because I was running, I had the

1090
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,560
twelves and and the only reason 
I didn't run that much in the 

1091
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,160
twelves and when I got Strava 
was telling me I had I think 

1092
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,160
400, not even 400K on them. 
But when I looked at the I 

1093
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,520
picked them up the other day to 
go running somewhere and I 

1094
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,480
looked at the sole and I could 
there was wear. 

1095
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,240
Yeah, yeah, they're. 
Probably fine, but probably 

1096
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,600
fine. 
Well yeah, yeah, let's have a 

1097
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,120
look. 
OK, so you've possibly 13. 

1098
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,120
I would have been happy to buy 
the twelves again at a cheap 

1099
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
price, just couldn't find them. 
So 13 they were. 

1100
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,720
Now I haven't settled on these 
for my T100 breaks. 

1101
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,600
But they're in the mix. 
But I've bought a pair of vapour

1102
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,760
flies on sale. 
Of course. 

1103
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,160
So I'll be able to. 
Give once sponsorship goes away.

1104
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,360
Welcome to the real world. 
Mate, I'll be able to give a 

1105
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,000
complete honest. 
Vapour Fly's fours are on sale 

1106
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,080
around the place at the moment. 
So vapour fly fours is what I'm 

1107
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,800
going to trial in some sessions 
pre and if I'm happy with them 

1108
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,360
probably we'll go with them. 
What colour have you gone with 

1109
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,120
if you don't mind me asking? 
What's the colour way? 

1110
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,080
Don't know. 
A black? 

1111
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Yeah, something definitely not. 
Fluro, OK. 

1112
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,880
I think it was black and black 
and purple or something like 

1113
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,320
that. 
Yeah. 

1114
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,760
So that's my shoe update. 
OK, I can't actually tell. 

1115
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,480
I mean we. 
We. 

1116
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,720
You you need to like we can't we
can't get to this. 

1117
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,680
Actually, it might be a really 
fun thing to do on the Saturday 

1118
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,440
at before the T100 to for you 
then that to be the episode you 

1119
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,080
release the shoe, the shoe, it's
like tomorrow. 

1120
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,720
We'll be putting much that. 
Exciting. 

1121
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,000
It is exciting for people, 
Courtney. 

1122
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,400
It. 
Is it's certainly Tim will be 

1123
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,920
paying attention to it. 
You wanna know what you're? 

1124
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,360
Well, I was giving him. 
I was saying I I was gonna get 

1125
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,040
my I had some secret illegal 
Chinese ones coming in. 

1126
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,320
Oh, did you? 
I do. 

1127
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,400
No, I don't. 
I still do. 

1128
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,280
No, I still do. 
Keep keep everything the the 

1129
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,440
running. 
I'm loving the the conversation 

1130
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,040
ever since we started talking 
about China, the Chinese shoes a

1131
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,680
bit more again. 
I feel like those are starting 

1132
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,320
to Bob. 
Well, there's a lot more brands 

1133
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,520
than I realised. 
That's what I learned last I 

1134
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,560
was, I was sitting on the couch 
last weekend where I ended up 

1135
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,360
buying these shoes as you do 
when you start looking too much 

1136
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,840
at things on the web. 
And I was going through the 

1137
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,480
China stuff and looking at a 
couple of Youtubes and I just 

1138
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,520
the brand, I don't know the 
brands, but the brand that we 

1139
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,640
had talked about 1 mix are 
actually don't really come up 

1140
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,680
too often. 
So the one that we have been 

1141
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,880
kind of going, this is a really 
good shoe. 

1142
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,440
Yeah, it's fallen out of. 
The crew we know. 

1143
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,600
No, no, some of the crew we know
love it, but they're not the 

1144
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,760
Chinese shoe that when you go on
YouTube and online to the shoe 

1145
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,600
reviewers, they're not the ones 
they're talking about. 

1146
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:58,760
They're talking about other 
ones. 

1147
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,360
OK, so that's got me even, you 
know, maybe maybe I've got some 

1148
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,720
more presents coming for you, 
Liam. 

1149
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,640
There is there are so many 
comments, there's still so much 

1150
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,640
that we these episodes, there's 
so much we could still be 

1151
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,360
getting to. 
We've got a lot of questions and

1152
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,480
comments coming through from the
in the beginning family. 

1153
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,120
So want to say thank you for 
that. 

1154
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,480
OK, quickly want to hit you with
some we've gotten with the 

1155
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,120
comments, the the involvement, 
the conversations that keep 

1156
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,320
going around these episodes are 
great. 

1157
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,960
You've been mentioning your 
shoes, Jordan Mcgaw has said, 

1158
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,160
firstly, Armadale Running 
Festival, you guys there are 

1159
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,640
what? 
Sadly, we're not going to be at 

1160
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,400
the Armadale Running Festival. 
Massive shout out to Ryan, the 

1161
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,040
event he's put on to everybody 
who is getting down there, 

1162
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,840
please tell us how it goes. 
It's a fantastic. 

1163
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,560
We love what Ryan's doing for 
running, particularly in 

1164
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Armadale. 
He's one of the good ones. 

1165
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,400
He's been here from the 
beginning. 

1166
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,480
Yeah. 
The other thing Jordan mentioned

1167
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,760
here was that he wanted to shout
out some shoes your way all. 

1168
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Right, I got shoes after I went 
through what I. 

1169
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,360
Well, Nike Vapour Flies Force 
was one of them. 

1170
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,040
What else is he got? 
The Puma Deviate Elite Force, 

1171
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,920
which is that performance Puma 
with the very yeah, it's got a 

1172
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:12,680
very, very, very aggressive. 
I read, I read that one from all

1173
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,680
the reading. 
I did that one. 

1174
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
Like heel. 
Like if you're heel striking, 

1175
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,440
yeah, I don't actually. 
OK. 

1176
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,240
Mizuno hyper warp pure never, 
which I haven't seen before. 

1177
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Posting Mizuno but. 
Jordan said that all those are 

1178
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,320
gutsy, punchy shoes. 
Brilliant speed for the shorter 

1179
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,840
sharp stuff without the excess 
mints. 

1180
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,280
OK. 
Well, I went with one of your. 

1181
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Suggestions. 
So thanks John Kaylee. 

1182
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,040
I love this from Kaylee boys. 
Great work, love the content. 

1183
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,760
New listener. 
I've just finished listening to 

1184
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,760
your Noosa Clydesdale episode. 
So Kaylee gone all the way back 

1185
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,320
and started listening through 
which is brilliant. 

1186
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,080
And I agree with Liam, 90 kilos 
is not a true Clydesdale. 106 

1187
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,000
kilos in my first ever try Raby 
Bay this past December and I 

1188
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
claimed glory with a silver 
medal. 

1189
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,280
I happily remind my misses and 
kids that I'm the second fastest

1190
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,560
100K Sprint distance triathlete 
in Queensland. 

1191
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:59,680
Yes. 
That's. 

1192
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Great we I love that the essence
of the Clydesdale continues to 

1193
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,880
live here. 
Damn continues Yes. 

1194
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Tanya, I wanna give a shout out 
to Tanya. 

1195
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,760
Tanya commented on the episode. 
She said my habit since you 

1196
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,520
started has been listening to 
your podcast on My Saturday 

1197
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,360
morning run with Tara Wheeler 
Mila this weekend. 

1198
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,000
I wasn't out. 
So this has come through from 

1199
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,960
last weekend with Tara Wheeler 
Mila this weekend. 

1200
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,360
I wasn't able to download it 
before the 5:00 AM New Zealand 

1201
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,600
start time. 
Listening to it now and this is 

1202
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
heartbursting, heartbreaking, 
heartbreaking. 

1203
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Excuse me for Tanya listening to
it now after a DNF with a rolled

1204
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,280
ankle which also resulted in me 
crashing hard around 80 KZ and 

1205
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,800
has been nodding madly at the 
rolled ankle conversation we had

1206
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,520
last week. 
That moment between the start of

1207
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,400
the roll and the crash was like 
full slow motion and that split 

1208
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,040
second seems to have taken hours
before the splash. 

1209
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,040
I had a few of those moments on 
the weekend running around. 

1210
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,600
It was, it was muddy and. 
Crappy that runs. 

1211
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,840
I can't understand that we're 
sorry Tanya. 

1212
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,880
So. 
Sorry to hear, but Tanya, hey, 

1213
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,520
there's more races in you. 
We know that you're you're 

1214
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,400
coming through. 
Want me to tell you this? 

1215
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,200
One. 
Yeah, you take this one. 

1216
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,520
I'll tell you this one because 
I've got a question. 

1217
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:13,120
For you, yeah, go. 
Would you pay 5? 

1218
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:19,800
$170 for a hoodie no so this 
this came who who this came in 

1219
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,440
this was a question from Ryan 
tags he's catching up on some 

1220
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,240
episodes he he he said you 2 are
the absolute forefront running 

1221
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,560
trends I don't. 
Know Nah, I like that, Ryan, 

1222
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,920
it's good. 
Anyway, we, he, he, he said 

1223
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,720
there's an item sold in an 
Australian running store that's 

1224
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:43,280
570 for a plain black hoodie. 
And the thing here is there is 0

1225
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,600
branding on this hoodie. 
I've looked at the hoodie, the 

1226
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,160
brand, we might as well say the 
brand. 

1227
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,400
It's literally sport. 
Literary Sport. 

1228
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,560
Literary. 
Literary. 

1229
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,480
Literary. 
Like the reading? 

1230
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,000
OK. 
It's an interesting. 

1231
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,840
Yeah, yeah. 
OK. 

1232
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,560
No branding on it at all. 100% 
cotton. 

1233
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,880
OK, so nothing cool. 
Yeah, I can understand if they 

1234
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,120
had a scientific base of how it 
all mixed up. 

1235
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,480
Some rubber, rubber trims, 
double layered hood. 

1236
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,120
I mean, there's nothing. 
It's a hoodie, right? 

1237
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:30,520
Yep, it this to me is I, I, I 
can see what what I think 

1238
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,800
literary sport are doing here. 
This is a fashion brand that is 

1239
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,560
dipping its toe into the 
exercise wear world without just

1240
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,680
because they can. 
If you go and look at the rest 

1241
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:48,760
of their catalogue like their 
men's shorts are 350 bucks, a 

1242
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,160
women's sleeveless tee is 270 
bucks. 

1243
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:56,320
This is high end stuff. 
Hi, yeah, it's, it's when it's 

1244
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,200
Apex and stuff. 
I mean, there's, there's other 

1245
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,160
brands we've talked about that 
are expensive running brands. 

1246
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,760
This is like next level. 
But yeah, but if you run out in 

1247
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,440
this hoodie versus running out 
in a, what's the kind of the 

1248
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,040
blank? 
I want to know who's buying. 

1249
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,720
Fruits of the Loom if. 
Anyone knows anyone who who is 

1250
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,080
purchasing this let us know. 
The other thing was. 

1251
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,680
Fruits of the Loom black hoodie 
sweatshirt you can get for 25 

1252
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,440
bucks. 
Yeah, but. 

1253
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,720
It's just going back to the idea
of like, we all understand high 

1254
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,680
fashion brands, right? 
That's why that's why handbags 

1255
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,840
and shoes and there's there's a 
reason behind it. 

1256
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,440
Definitely not having a having a
dig here. 

1257
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:39,720
What what I'm what I'm 
interested in is 1 who's buying 

1258
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:47,480
it and then 2 is a company like 
this just pricing their product 

1259
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,320
at that? 
Yeah, selling low volume and 

1260
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,480
just trying to change the 
market. 

1261
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,680
Exactly. 
What they're doing, yeah, it's 

1262
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:54,840
exactly what they have to be 
right. 

1263
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,960
They're they're looking at. 
I mean, why would a company like

1264
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,320
that bother to try and compete 
on price with your budget, 

1265
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,120
Lulu's brands, Why would why 
would they even not even not 

1266
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,560
budget, but not even budget, but
mid tier. 

1267
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,880
Why would they bother to get 
into that dogfight that is the 

1268
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,160
mid tier athletic active web 
game when they can just exist 

1269
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,080
there? 
I really kind of want to try 

1270
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,400
those running shorts to see. 
If they're worth $370. 

1271
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,680
But I'm not paying 300. 
I can tell you they're not 

1272
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,000
quickly. 
I just I want to know $350.00 

1273
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,560
for the running shorts. 
And it's a bit like, how do they

1274
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,600
feel? 
It's a bit like the $22.00 

1275
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,720
smoothies that are being sold 
here on the Gold Coast. 

1276
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,200
You can make a business out of 
curiosity. 

1277
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,960
If you people, if everybody here
on the Gold Coast walks in and 

1278
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,400
buys a $22.00 smoothie out of 
curiosity and never goes back 

1279
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,120
again, that's a pretty good 
business model. 

1280
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Quickly, I want to wrap it up 
with something we don't talk 

1281
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,040
about. 
We're a Gold Coast base show. 

1282
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,680
We talk a bit about, we talk a 
lot about running in Queensland.

1283
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,880
We talk a little bit about 
running down South, Yes, 

1284
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Melbourne as well. 
They've they've answered, 

1285
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,120
they've answered. 
We do have the Melbourne 

1286
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,920
listeners. 
Shout out Melbourne, we love 

1287
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,840
that you listen. 
You say the best thing. 

1288
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:58,960
They weren't even pissed we had 
to go. 

1289
01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,680
No. 
They weren't. 

1290
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,320
They were just happy to be a 
part of the conversation. 

1291
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,480
So. 
Now welcome Melbourne. 

1292
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,000
Welcome Melbourne runners. 
Quickly, I want to touch on 

1293
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,120
Adelaide, my hometown for just a
moment. 

1294
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,600
Motorsport And have you seen 
that the Moto GP is leaving 

1295
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Phillip Island? 
I didn't. 

1296
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,600
This is news. 
This is a little bit of news and

1297
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,480
I'm getting to it now, just the 
end because it's happened 

1298
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,520
yesterday. 
It makes sense though because I 

1299
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,200
saw a post from Casey Stoner 
showing an old pic of him not. 

1300
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,720
Happy, not happy, the redheads. 
They're not happy that the Moto 

1301
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,680
GP is leaving Victoria SA, 
Adelaide in particular what 

1302
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,960
their premier is doing in making
it the event state. 

1303
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,000
They've brought live golf, 
they've got the Gather Round, 

1304
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,440
they've got the Tour Down Under.
The V8 Super Cars are back. 

1305
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,360
That was an election promise. 
Now he's brought the Moto GP, 

1306
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,760
which is going to be a. 
Street circuit at where the V 

1307
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,400
eights. 
Where the V eights are raced out

1308
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,800
of as well. 
I can't wait to see how it goes.

1309
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,920
Yeah, that's cool. 
Adelaide, pull your finger out 

1310
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,560
on the marathon front. 
I, I, I think we're going to get

1311
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,120
the same feedback here that we 
got from Melbourne last week 

1312
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,040
there. 
There's a lot of, there's a lot 

1313
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,320
of runners down there. 
I know them. 

1314
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,280
That marathon and I'm looking it
up. 

1315
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,480
It's the Brooks Adelaide 
Marathon Festival. 

1316
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,560
It's sold out. 
It's happening in May. 

1317
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,240
It's. 
Sold out. 

1318
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,240
What more do they need to do? 
It ain't noisy enough. 

1319
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,040
Get noisy that that this race 
needs to get noisier. 

1320
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,720
But they might be noisy in South
Australia and we just don't see 

1321
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:22,680
it. 
That's fine. 

1322
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,680
No, get noisier. 
This, this I'm trying to like 

1323
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,439
it's look, is Brooks the brand? 
I had a bit of a beef with a 

1324
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,399
couple of like last year when we
were talking. 

1325
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,319
I thought Brooks was kind of the
old person's runner. 

1326
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,080
Yeah, it makes sense because 
this, this, it just needs it's 

1327
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,240
it screams Adelaide of 10 years 
ago. 

1328
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,960
I don't think that's what 
Adelaide is now. 

1329
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,640
Adelaide has changed and we 
talked the Moto GP, the 

1330
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,439
Supercars are back. 
Adelaide is a genuinely exciting

1331
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,600
city city. 
Bunnings Adelaide Marathon. 

1332
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,399
There you go. 
Get around it, pull your finger 

1333
01:08:58,399 --> 01:08:59,160
out. 
Adelaide Marathon. 

1334
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:00,399
Fest Alright, we'll see you 
next. 

1335
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:01,000
Week. 
We'll see you next. 

1336
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:01,880
Week.