In the beginning episode 31, how he caught oh good mate, I'm just
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I reckon this retro range very popular.
Got a thing on Zaccone coming up later in the episode, which that
sounds looks like you dressed for the dressed for the chat
mate. I want to start off today with
and I know that people are already specifically tuning in
for this because I've told some people I was going to bring it
up the Canberra marathon last weekend.
Yep, I saw it. Well done to everybody who ran
it. Chat it to anybody that PB
finished. Great event.
Seems to be a really popular marathon.
Courtney, if you were sent out to pace the 3:15 bus for the
Canberra marathon, or any marathon for that matter, and
you're, and I'm not saying just casually pace it, I'm meaning
officially pacing. Like you've got a balloon on or
something. You've got a flag.
Yep. What time should you come home?
I'd say 3:15, 3/15, That'd be a good guess.
Any wiggle room? Well, oh, maybe 30 seconds here
or there, but I think if you're comfortable, you should be able
to get pretty close. Yeah.
What do you talk? Let's talk a little bit about
what you think the In your mind, what is the role of the pacer at
a marathon, official pacer at marathon.
I never thought about it too much, but I would make the
assumption that common sense says you run that as even as
possible to get to the goal time.
Exactly. And we've got some technology
these days that helps you do that.
So you wouldn't take your own personal strategy to negative
split, positive split, whatever you're just trying to run.
Even even though we know it's better to run, try and negative
split it, I would still run it even because I think a pacer in
the marathon you should. You need to be comfortable to
run that pace so you're in control, so you can control it,
manage the pace, get there at the right time, OK, This is not
a hypothetical situation. We're talking about Canberra
Marathon. This is Canberra Marathon on the
weekend. I don't know the person, there's
no need to name the person, but I've been told this is what
happened and I've had a look and the data is there.
A peso for the 3:15 group has come in at 304180.
That's a fair gap. That's an over 10 minute gap
between the pace that they've flagged on their back says that
they would run the group and the pace they would they they
actually got to the line in. Now let me add some context.
The pacer has said that the pack that they were running with was
moving really well. Oh, they felt good.
Yep, right. So everyone felt good and that
the decision to go faster was a Group One that the pack that was
running with them made that decision as a collective.
OK, Does that make that time OK? No, I want more context at the
moment. So that's so basically, well, I
mean, where's this information coming?
Is it coming from the pace or coming from the go out people in
the pack? This is the paces.
Thoughts on what happened? The pace who made the the paces
comments on on the time was that group was moving well,
collective decision asked the guy next to me and he said,
yeah, go for it. Collective decision to
accelerate and and and go for it.
Person on the backs probably got a different story.
I reckon I've been told that some people popped yeah, and and
and not only didn't stay with the group, but also didn't make
the 3:50. So the the my next question then
is what what obligation does a pacer have?
Well, like we're saying, they should come in on that time, but
do they have an obligation to the race?
I think they have an obligation to the race.
I think they have an obligation to the runners in their pack.
Let me pivot slightly because I don't just want to completely
pile in on the pacer. Yeah, OK.
Personally, I think this Pacers made a mistake.
Now I've never paced. I'll put my hand.
I've never paced a race right. So I actually don't know what
that burden is like what that expecta expectations are like.
I know people that have paced races and I know how they
approach it. OK.
I also think the runners as a runner, you can't put all your
eggs in the pacer basket, right? So if you're if you're one of
the runners that popped because you tried to stay with the pacer
who was, that's your own fault. That's your that you've got to
put your own hand up there. Yeah, I'm with you.
You can't throw all the blame. Oh, he started running fast than
he was meant to. As you just said, if no, very
few people go into a marathon these days without their own
piece of technology attached to their wrist telling them how
fast they should be running. So if you want to try and throw
blame at your pacer who went too quick or too slow, I think
there's a little bit of you don't want to accept any
responsibility for yourself here.
That's true. And I bet you at that point of
time they're probably running along and you know what I'm at.
Let's just Farg for argument, say say 30 Ki am feeling pretty
good. I'm feeling pretty good.
Yeah, sure, let's push the pace. It's a pretty easy thing to say
yes to when you're feeling good. Probably easier to talk to the
two people next year running at the front too.
I don't know how big this pack was.
All right, all hypotheticals, but I'm actually more interested
in what's the obliga like, is it hard?
There's a lot of marathons on at the moment.
Is it hard for them to get paces?
So like is is, is the quality of the pacer now being like, Oh
jeez, you can run. I mean, this is a case of where
he's run faster, so it's probably worse if he's gone
slower, right. And then you'd question
actually, were they what's the bigger crime?
We're we're I would, I actually think going quicker is better
than being a pacer who misses the pace.
Agree. Agreed.
Yeah, that is the greater pacing crime to go too slow than too
fast. Correct.
OK, because I would be ropeable if that was the case and I was
pacing with them and then realised, oh shit, I'm not going
to make it now. So at least if you're on pace,
you know, you can make the judgement, hey, I'm going too
fast, I'll back off. But if you're like putting your
trust in a pacer early and then missing pace completely early,
hey, there's no negative split there that's going to bring that
back. At least this guy, this pacer
gave everybody a crack to hit the target.
Whereas if he had been going 10 minutes too slow for his pace
time, nobody's ever gotten the chance to get there.
I so OK, we agree, We agree. But responsibility to the race,
I think. And look, again, I've talked
offhand, I've talked off the cuff on a few things on this
podcast and I'm about to do it again.
I vaguely recall the London Marathon there being something
like a if you're not within 20 seconds of your goal time, of
your pace time, the pace time you're set out to run, you don't
get invited back like it is that in terms of the responsibility
expectations they place on their paces is hey, this is the time
you be within 20 seconds of this time.
Agreed. And and, and, and if you don't,
thanks, thanks, but we don't need you.
We won't have you back. Which is this notion that if
you're pacing a set pace, you want to be able to make sure you
can comfortably, you know, like, oh, I always thought of as a
pacer, you'd be going in like if I can run three hours, well,
I'll pace the 320 pack. You know, I've got 20 minutes up
my sleeve. I should be able to control this
pretty well. Which comes back to my question,
how hard is it with so many marathons and so many runs at
the moment and being so popular, are races hard up to find paces?
It's a good question. Anyone else question?
We should look into the gold. We should ask the Gold Coast
marathon people how they go about recruit.
We shouldn't get a pacer on. We should, That would be a good
idea. We should have a pacer on and
actually talk about the recruitment process.
Out of curiosity, what pace for a marathon?
Injuries aside, would you do you reckon you could comfortably go?
Yep 100% I'll get you there. Up to what pace?
Like let's say I was physically capable of doing the three hour,
sub three hours or breaking 3 hours.
Well, the boys run three hours. We're aiming for three hours.
So the, my, the, your crew, yeah, the crew that I, I run
with, they've always been aiming to break 3 hours, 250.
So when we're doing early, Yep, they will do like Benita will
give them a time trial or whatever.
I'm comfortable to go and do whatever pace they're trying.
They might be trying to hold 330 fives and I'll jump in and just
and, and and run along. So if you were handed the flag,
the balloon, whatever it was, you'd be comfortable to with the
responsibility expectation at 3 hours?
Yeah, Yep. What about at 250?
Yep, 240 I'd want to be training and make sure.
OK, so OK, so sub sub let's say sub 245 is where Courtney Atkins
does get a little bitty about pacing.
Like we said mate, I, I'm not saying I know anything about
this until I run it and we will run one.
But no, like I Wings for Life world run.
There's a charity race where we run at 9:00 PM in the night.
Red Bull put it on and we go out and run.
I remember one year I did it by myself.
Normally you join him. I won't go to Sydney or wherever
and I did it along the Esplanade here.
I ran from home down along Mermaid and just started going
up and down the beach. Now I think I ended up finishing
the night and did 40 something K4546 and I was just I was
tapping along at about 3:30 fives just in the middle of the
night and I was very, very comfortable.
OK, so that that that type of running gives me confidence
that, you know, I'm around those paces.
But hey, mate, never say never. I will not put myself out there
saying I can do something until I know I've got some proof in
the pudding. And look, it's yeah, OK.
Shout out to anybody that's ever paced the race out there.
It's I think that half marathon I ran last year where I broke
90. In my head I was going to have a
pacer to run with. When I got there in the morning,
there was no pacer. And in some ways I think it was
probably a good thing for me because it meant it was entirely
on my own shoulders to try and do it.
But if I had my time again, I'd still love to have someone there
running with the flag. Still pretty nice.
I mean, you turn up to a race, it's a bit entitled, isn't it?
I turn up to the race and I've got my it's an amazing, that's
it's an amazing, it's an amazing service that race for any race
to offer and, and for the people who do it right to give up their
own race to go. And, well, you're basically
crewing. You're you're like the people
that, that ultras and trail ones and everything, that crew for
people. And it's you're part of the
support stuff. Yeah.
You're just a fit person. Yeah, as well.
And you fit and you fit. Share that.
Paces. Hey, I've seen you this week.
You know, I'm looking at your great Triple M top over there.
I've seen you popping up with Liesel and Spider all over the
place. I've got to send a photo.
This came from Adelaide. Yeah.
Explain to me what's going on.
We ran a competition called Live with Liesel Jones, Lehman Spider
where basically they had these cut outs of the three of us.
And the idea was that 10 contestants took these cut outs
and lived with them for two weeks and they had daily
challenges to one day that get them as high in the air as they
could, another day they had to take them to the busiest St they
could. It was basically this two week
long challenge. Mate, I'm so glad this thing's
over. I am so sick of people messaging
me going was there a cut out of you at my cafe?
Why I got again, this is meant to be a thing run on the Gold
Coast and a mate of mine who's a wine maker in the Barossa Valley
sent me a video of it walking through his vineyard.
I'm like, what is it doing down there?
What a promotion. It was I I honestly thought
there must have been 200 of these things.
So there's only 10 of them. There's ten of them and it's the
the ten of them going multiple times.
I'll tell you what the Gold Coast Suns are sick of them
though. They they, they, they all had
the same idea, which is, oh, I'll take it to the Gold Coast
Suns training session. I think we got some of them back
and we had the Gold Coast Suns signatures all over them.
So they didn't do face. That's why my cut out has been
you've you've been everywhere this week.
Let's get into some a bit of bit of comic running, Josh Pew, Pew
comic. Now, this is before runners,
before we had social media. This is how we'd go about it.
You're right. Just been running.
Yeah, just now. 6 kilometres, 32 minutes, 34 seconds.
Yeah. Max heart rate 162.
Average heart rate 140. He's.
Turned up to a random neighbour's house, Yeah.
Incline Nought .1% incline yeah first 2 kilometres the fastest
slowed down for the middle one and then picked up again for the
next few. Sorry why are you telling me
this? Just letting everybody know.
Just going like around everybody I know just like everyone like
friends. People used to go to school with
ex work colleagues. Just getting round up and
letting everyone know Yeah mate say this as well.
Say this, it's marked, just marked on a map.
The route I did, he wanted to have a look at it so.
Yeah, that's my favourite. That's my favourite bit of that.
Do you like it? Do you like what?
I've done this. Morning.
Would you say you love it? I, I got sent that by so many
people. I reckon everybody listening has
probably been sent that link at some point.
They're starting to get the our humour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just and, and it's I,
that's the other evolution of that's how you know, running's
hit the mainstream because now there are comedians doing
parodies of that stuff. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's good
stuff. It's good.
It's bang on too. And it's it's bang on.
How would you do it before You didn't have, you wouldn't
immediately tell everyone, wouldn't tell anybody about it.
Can't put up your Strava map. No, you'd have a Facebook group
where you'd have guilty of that. I'm guilty of that.
I love, I love a good old Strava map up on socials.
I running. It's all just continuing
running, running, running. Track and Fields is on fire,
right? Having a moment.
It's more than a moment. He's on fire.
Australian track and fields having a moment, yes.
And there's a few things I want to touch on.
Got 1 Lee O'Brien breaks 1557 year old Raylene boy's record.
Leah O'Brien, this is the West Australian girl.
Yep, Hey, what is with our sprinters at the moment?
Like we'll get on to the next thing, but let's concentrate on
the females first 'cause it's, you know, they're not probably
getting quite the attention. The other fella is, but it's
happening across the board. What, what do you have any
ideas? What?
Well, let's think back to seven, you know, 17 years ago, right?
Gout, gout 17, Lear O'Brien. By the way, this Western
Australian sprinter, same age, she's a 17 year old.
So let's go back 17 years. What does that take us back to
2008? You know what Olympic Games was
that was that Beijing. Beijing.
You know and and or probably more so you jump forward maybe
yeah I don't 2 Olympic Games from there realised what was
going on. No but you know maybe I don't
know what was going on in Australia in 2008 That the
genetics of the countries have taken a leap forward.
I look, I, I just going off the cuff, you know, we have
different generations in in different sports at different
times. There's, you know, Matilda's
have just gone through their golden generation where the
talent pool was of a level that it came together on the national
scale in the national team environment and the jettison
women's football to the levels that we now see.
And I think we've, for whatever reason, got this current pool of
Aussie sprinting, which has just got these young stand out
talents as part of it. And I don't know what's caused
it, but I'm so excited for it because it's good depth.
Short of Kathy, we've never had this is this is a first.
This is a first from a international talent standard
perspective. Yeah, well, they're not quite
there yet, They gotta prove. But in terms beating potential,
the best young, young, young crew are beating the Australian
all time records. Yes, that's the difference now.
That's never happened, No. And that's a shift.
That's a shift. That's a change.
And again, we'll get to Gout and Lachie Kennedy in a second, but
for Leo O'Brien, because who's the.
I've forgotten her name. She was at the Olympics, just
gone in Paris, the young sprinter with the curly hair
whose name eludes me. Now I'm going to do a quick
Google. Yeah, you Google that?
Well, I I keep going. I think it's got to do.
There has to have something to do.
You're on the right track with the Olympics.
I think at some stage, young athletes have to be inspired.
And when I say inspired, at what point did they decide, like we
heard gout talk a little bit about it with his coach, He was
running good at school, he was doing basketball.
And the coach said, sat down, you can be an Olympic champion.
I can see it in you. And then there's the belief from
that point on. But broader than that, the grass
roots of whatever athletics have done in the past, let's say 6 to
10 years, that's what's actually fielding these athletes now.
They've come through a developmental phase as Scotland
to to this standard at a young age.
So the call, the shadow should be something I don't know, I
don't know. I'm not across it enough to know
whether it's in athletics Australia, whether it's private,
what it is. But something is going right in
that sport and not just in sprinting, but it's also in
middle distance, right with the depth of our middle distance
runners at the moment, it's the same.
And what a kind of compare it to I went through a period in
triathlon where I was part of a generational kind of like
dominance in the sense of guys older than me.
I was probably at the back end of it, went through this
generational dominance of being the best triathletes in the
world. And we had depth and all of that
type of thing. We've seen this type of thing in
running now. And that's exciting because
running, you know, every kid can do that.
So we we start, if we build that inspiration now through these
young kids, they're saying this is going to continue for a
while. So can you talk a little bit
more about it from a triathlon perspective?
Because you're talking about you came in on the back of guys like
Brad Bevan and Chris McCormack and that, yeah, dominating
Australian athlete to have them to like, you're always going to
get the one offs, You know, the outliers who, you know, pop up
in a sport because their parents were great at that sport and
they there's genetics at play. Yeah, whatever.
But I grew up in a time where you've gotta have something to
look forward to. So like, what is it as a 10 year
old, a 12 year old or whatever that age kid is?
Yeah, what am I look into? They go, I wanna be that it's
got to be something pretty shiny or pretty nice or like, you
know, a kid running around at the moment saying whether it's a
young female saying this were record broken or was someone
watching gout going I want to be him like that too.
That's going to drive someone then to go through that process
of driving. For me, it was saying, you know,
you mentioned Brad and Greg Walsh and those guys like I
wanted to emulate them and that's what drove me.
And there was like a a livelihood in doing that as
well. So it was a double whammy and
does it and does it. Is it does it make it easier for
the coaches if you're to to show young athletes look like it's if
you can see you can be it sort of thing like a coach might not
become any more educated or develop any new tools as a
coach, but just having that thing to point to, does that
make life easier for them? Of course, of course.
It's just, it's also just a numbers game.
If you're attracting more people, more younger kids to
come in and try something because they've got visibility
of where they can go in the future.
It's like anything, if you can't, if you if you haven't got
a benchmark and you can't see where you're going to go, it's
going to be a lot harder to kind of make the whole pathway
yourself. If you've got this great line of
kind of talent, the talent in coaches and knowledge.
I mean, the knowledge is a huge one of how to train and some of
the distance stuff you could probably argue now, you know,
that group of distance runners down in Melbourne who were, you
know, firing on all cylinders. You could argue like there was
Nick Paddeau and he was coaching a range.
And then like Motrim Collis, these are the guys who I went to
the games with but are now coaching these athletes.
There's been a transfer of knowledge.
Gotcha. And with that transfer of
knowledge and then the the ability to bring in talent, I
think where the magic happens. Yeah.
Just quickly going back to the women's sprinters, at the moment
Leah O'Brien breaks that junior record held by Raylene Boyle.
Tory Lewis was the young sprinter.
I was thinking about that. She's only 20 years of age,
still very much on the up and up.
And big shout out to Bree Rizzo as she is now.
Bree Masters, who is, you know, at 29, is the vet amongst these
women, this female sprinting group at the moment and
performing outstandingly. I love what she's doing, what
Bree does for women's sprinting. But yeah, the the future is
bright on the women's side too, despite the fact that the
spotlight is very much on young Aussie male sprinters.
Right? Yeah.
So on the male one, there's a lot of.
Let's touch on it quickly. Do you agree?
I mean Lucky Kennedy beeped out it came out again ran great not
even getting a wind of disqualified in the 200 metre
final yeah I mean the the most recent one's a bit different,
but even probably going up to that around 100 metres Yep.
What can he do what can he do the and he's handling it very
well. By the way, the Lockheed Kennedy
gout gout situation is a, is a an example in, in that's playing
out in real time about the thing you and I have spoken about a
lot about athletes and noisemakers.
Gout gout is a noisy athlete. Lucky Kennedy by comparison, is
not a noisy athlete. I'm not saying that is a
critical of gout or lucky. I'm just saying it's the reality
of the public perception right now.
Gout gout is making huge noise. But do you know what is this is
Gout's not making the noise. Oh, yeah.
Again, this is this is the difference.
Yeah, yeah, this is the difference though, right?
Which because it's it's so organic in like, even if you
just sat like I sat down on YouTube, I think might have been
the day after that 200 run, the last 200 run.
It's not his. It's it's US publications, it's
US YouTube channels. It's everyone else showing those
videos. Like it's not being driven
necessary by him. And that's why it's
uncontrollable and so exciting because he just runs.
It does a bit of a show. Yeah, the show is getting
bigger, but he's not, it's not him and his team that need to
push it out there. So it's interesting because yes,
it's noisy, but it's a different, it's an
uncontrollable noise that they're not controlling.
Well, it's, it's it's it's wildfire in a sense, like it is,
it's spreading uncontrollably and without any intent from Gatt
and his team. But for whatever reason, and
this is the this is the magic potion that any athlete, any
singer, any act, anybody who's trying to make a name for
themselves would pay anything to bottle and to find is that magic
of that. He's got it.
He's got the IT factor. Yeah.
So what do you reckon with Lockie then?
Here? What's what Can I ask you this
as a question? I because this is a conversation
I've had with a few people, not Lucky because I think Lucky is
clearly an elite town as well. But if you're one of these young
other sprinters who's coming through in that age bracket of
Lucky and Gatt right now, are you dissuaded?
Are you, is there a risk of becoming disenchanted?
Is there a level of frustration that your career and maybe
you've got ambitions to go on to become an Olympic gold medallist
or simply make an Olympic team? Is there a level of?
Frustration in you right now if. It was me personally, yeah,
yeah, I would that that's my personality.
But what I found interesting was Lachlan Kennedy.
There's this, I think it's with younger, the younger age groups,
yeah. There's a real, you know, like
friendship or mateship, and I think it's real.
I'm not sure, but you know, that this whole idea of embracing and
not like I, I don't think I think there needs to be a bit of
like fight as well. Like yes, everyone can get along
and, and, but there's got to be a like a hard competitiveness
there too. Otherwise, to a degree, you're
just giving in, You're rolling over, you're rolling over.
So either one, it's not real or two, I would be I want to see
him like light a fire under it. Like they're close, right?
I want to see the fire lit. So OK, quickly, I want to go
back to Locky V Gout because he's going so he'll be for like,
I shouldn't say if it was more, what's the word combattle combat
combatant. So if there was less, if there
was more animosity between the two, correct.
Suddenly Lachlan Kennedy becomes a noise because he becomes the
nemesis. He becomes the yin to the Yang.
Yes, at the moment he's a sidekick.
Oh, I like this. He needs to become what's what's
a superhero show we can think of.
He needs Lex Luthor to Superman. It's the Joker to Batman,
Correct? It's correct.
At the moment, he's Batman and Robin.
This is real. When I was asking about would
you become disenfranchised of disheartened, I was more so
thinking about those athletes that are two a second behind
locking gout. Right.
Let's shelve that. Yeah, let's go to this.
I love this as a conversation. Is it beneficial?
Would it be beneficial for either of them to take on a more
combative attitude towards the other?
Yes, Well, no, well, no, it is it is too like at the moment you
could argue gout Superman and oh, whatever the case is, you
know, he's he's Batman and Robin because it's obvious.
It's an obvious he's in the box seat.
I'm just trying to think. I'm trying to think.
I'm not sure what the who's Batman's Joker.
So if there was, if, if there was a fire between them, he
becomes part of the conversation to drive it.
Danny Green, Anthony Mundine. Yes, let's go there.
Let's use that as our analogy. Yeah.
Because what you had in Danny Green and Anthony Mundine were
two world class boxers and their rivalry with one another sparked
probably the greatest Australian, certainly of recent
times, the modern times. Greatest Australian rivalry.
Yes. And they both benefited from it.
They both played their role and they both benefited and they
probably both were better boxers for it.
Now I yeah, I'm sure that it propelled them to achieve their
or get the most out of themselves.
Does the Australian public want to see Gout Gout and Locky
Kennedy become rivals? Or do they want them to remain
amicable teammates who compete in the same sport?
Depends what part of it depends what part of the Australia City
made, I reckon right question because yeah, I mean, I'm
thinking it from Lachlan Kennedy because that's the reason
brought it up from his point of view.
But I just see, it's just I see it more and more often in
younger in sport these days where there seems to be less
competitors and more mates and friends.
You don't look at the opposition as a as an enemy and more just
and look, that's from the outside.
Maybe on the inside there's things we're not seeing, but I
can. I just know from when I raced,
you know, there was, you don't have to be an absolute, you
know, prick to people either. But there's com competitors.
You don't have to be friends and sometimes you share the podium.
I know I've seen especially older athletes where I'd be
racing in races and they will nearly have punch UPS.
Really. Yeah.
Have you seen have you seen we then have your name?
Well, there was there was definitely.
I mean, we because we had so many of the best in the world.
There was times where, you know, it was people disliked each
other for, you know, number of internal reasons.
But do you ever throw one? Never.
No. Do you ever got one thrown at
you? I was I'm I would consider
myself a pretty if I was that competitiveness, I'd keep it
inside right. I don't think I was.
But did anyone ever have anyone go everyone go after you or blow
up at you? No, not not really.
It was pro probably prior to my time.
OK, prior to my time, some of the, well, we mentioned, not
Brad, Brad Bevan, but his era, really.
And it was probably when, like, the sport money, you know, money
was heavily involved in the sport, you know, for your
survival, you're fighting for your living, you're fighting for
your. But there was also like, you
know, not golf money, but good money to be one on a weekend.
So people wanted to win and there was hard competition.
So golf's an interesting comparison.
Yeah. Because on the golfing scene
you're seeing right now, there are a lot of golfers who are
mighty, mighty, very tight. Justin Thomas, Tiger Woods.
Yeah. You know there are and then are
there. Are there some that and then
there are some who like I think an example right is Rory McIlroy
who just won. He finally got the Masters.
The Masters completes his career Grand Slam now joins as an
exclusive club as there is in the sport of golf as one of I
think only five. He becomes the 6th golfer I
think to ever win a Grand Slam of all the majors.
Now he and countrymen, his fellow Irishman Shane Lowry are
as thick as thieves, genuine good mates.
Rory wants to partner. It has partnered with him in
team events before they play on the Ryder Cup together, right?
And and Shane was one of the first there to congratulate him
after he wins the Masters. But then when he walks, plays
that final group alongside Bryson Deschambo, the American.
Apparently they did not say a word to each other all day and
that that wasn't from what I could see and from what I read
and heard, is not Bryson's choosing.
That is Rory's choosing. Rory created that dynamic in
that final pairing. Rory was the one that drove
that. You're not my friend.
There's nothing polite going on here now.
Also, Bryson's one of the live golfers.
Rory's famously anti the live golfers.
I'm getting a bit niche in golf stuff here, but the point is
Rory has viewed his competitor there not as somebody that we
can have a nice round of golf with, but as someone I need to
beat. Yeah, and I'm going to create
that environment on our field of battle, which is the golf
course. I wonder if Gap and Lucky
achieve greater things if they begin to create that environment
on their field of battle, which is the running track rather than
the mighty Mighty. We're all in this together.
High School Musical vibe. I believe so.
That's that that that's, that's, that's that's my opinion.
Even one step further, I reckon. I wonder in league sport whether
or not sports psychologists have changed.
Good. Because there's another notion.
And I can recall this. Sports psychologists were part
of a strategy. You know how you, I mean,
they're there to help you to understand, you know, how do I
take a loss? How do I, you know, how do I
manifest to the next race? How do I get back on top of
this? How do I approach a race from a
mental point of view? How do I train my brain?
So if you think a whole industry has gone one way and now I'm
going like real generalisation here.
But if in general, our society's kind of like more lovey dovey
everyone get together, you know, nice.
Has that affected the kind of nature of sports psychologists,
which is then why this is a Longbow, but why we're seeing
not as much competitiveness between athletes?
I've got we got to stop because I could do another error on this
because now my mom wants to talk about Michael Jordan, who
famously was was ruthless to the point that he would make up
comments and feuds that his opponents had said to he would
he would fuel his internal fire with things he'd invented in his
head that didn't actually happen because that's how he got the
best out of himself. And I I was in an era where I
knew athletes 11 athlete very like had a, you know, went
through different phase. Chris McCormack went through a
lot of different phases in triathlon and at times
guaranteed was driven by wanting to just to destroy other
athletes destroy and you and you can see and then and you know,
to the point of and and not just him, but this is multiple
athletes of you know, can't even be in rooms together at times.
And then a friend's like, you know, like, but that's the
nature of like, you want to win, you want to win and then just
quickly, I know like, I'm sorry. This is what happens in as a
sports Nuffy when we get onto something like this where they
just there's all these thoughts in my brain, all these examples
last one I want to throw out on the get get lucky Kennedy as
they currently exist example Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal
are friends. Were they always friends?
Yeah, from the well, I don't know, from the beginning or in
the beginning, but you couldn't say their friendship hindered
either of them going on to achieve their greatest
potential. And there was a respect.
I would, I don't, I don't follow tennis closely enough.
But and yet in the in, in the early days, I would love to know
what that friendship and relationship was.
And almost saying it was wouldn't have been, you know.
But once they reached that upper stratosphere, I think it got it
would have just got, I mean, they played so long too, right.
And you, you know, and the nature of who they are.
But I wonder in the, like, earlier days whether it was as
amicable, amicable and if there was a friendship or whether that
grew in time. Yeah, that would be a that would
be a good question. Oh, this is good.
Damn it. I will.
I will move you on. We could do a whole podcast on
sporting rivalries and whether it made them better or what.
We'll move you on. Picking up on just quickly to
put a bow on that, the moment we see Lockie Kennedy and Gout Gout
push each other in the chest after a finish line, remember
this podcast? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause they
both broke and tell people about it.
OK OK. Bit of Chantal.
Yeah. Cashing up on last week.
Courtney's brought a little box onto the table here that was
looking at the episode from last week and a few people put some
comments in and talking about Oakley and building sunglasses,
mate that there. And for those like I said that
who you can watch on Spotify. We always video these as well.
But I've literally handed Liam. What have we got here, mate?
This is a box of just random Oakleys I'd kept from my career,
but they get the coloured ones, which would be the things open
up. Just maybe that purple and that.
Now you'll see what I was talking about around customised.
Oh, this is a straight up so did this is they're like speed
dealers. I was gonna say, you didn't race
in these, did you? You did you just make these?
No, I reckon they were an Olympic.
They would have been an Olympic, like a one off Olympic.
Special pair. Special pair.
You know, with all the flags, all the country flags.
Yeah, for that one. They're cool.
I mean, like those you put them on and I reckon you could go
down and sell. Sell a bag on the corner.
Yeah. You, you, you.
You'd get arrested quick these days, I reckon you're very.
So you wouldn't have raced in, though.
No, no, no. So these ones are these is a
racing pair. Yeah, but that's me here.
Let's have a look at this. Get me some.
All I'm finding is straight black at the moment.
I'm going to pop these ones on so I get a sense of what it
actually the big Courtney Atkinson in a race.
They're no good either, mate. Oh, you said there's.
Oh, here we go. No, that's we're trying to find
a pair with some flair about. There you go.
That would be oh, bright. Oh, I reckon they would have
been a pair like bright yellow. These look like you've stolen
these off the head of Andrew Simons from a World Cup, from a
one day international World Cup. Do you know what I've probably
bright Canary yellow. Oh, there we go.
There's a pair. Look at that.
Oh, here we go. Green and gold affair.
This isn't so do you reckon this so they would have been Olympic
team. Yeah, for sure.
Probably raced in those one of the games and it would have
been, you would have went in and all the different countries
would have been able to put their different, whatever
country colours they had on there, build that out.
So what do you reckon of the green and gold like that?
That's we're we're proud racing for our country.
But that's not, it's not a great colour palette.
It's not a great colour. It's not.
And I'm not being unpatriotic, No, but it's not a great colour.
If I gave you those sunnies, you probably wouldn't wear them
again. It's a let's be honest, it is.
It's a bad colour palette. Yeah.
Like it's not when you compare it to, oh, the red, white and
blue of America and France and everyone, oh, French, French are
good, even the UK. It's a great colour palette to
race in. But the green and the gold is a
sharp look. Yeah, especially in those
sunnies. But yeah, anyway, there you go.
Little boxes, anyone who has those few people, few, few that
were asking about look at these what I was talking about last
week. I think that's just a, you know,
that's like probably the Lance Armstrong era.
Hold them up to the camera. That is like, what do they call
them, the blades or something? That is Lance Armstrong.
Oh, that is. I mean, you just stay there like
that. Leave fast.
I can't see myself, but I feel fast.
I mean, I feel like if I wear these sub three out here, we
can't. Oh, you can't see them.
I can't see myself. Courtney, you're making fun of
me. I'm not making fun of you.
I'm just like when you realise. Let me.
Courtney's taking a photo of me wearing glasses.
Now. This is riveting audio stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just hang on.
There you go. Ohh, no, they're too small for
my head. No.
OK, warning to anybody with a fat head out there.
You can't wear the blades. So if you're still listening,
you're still listening. After that, some more stuff from
last week. Got a message in from Pat
Dillon. Now enjoying the podcast lads,
think Ben's question on his race time needs to need to poll.
So this was around the London Landmarks Marathon being short.
Reckon we're contradicting ourselves where if we tell
people to take the official race time when it's over your GPS but
not take the time when it's under your GPS.
OK, so if your GPS is long, Yep, he's kind of going well, you
should take is that right? Surely race time is official
regardless. Yeah, well it is.
That's what I agree. So we did a poll and and most
people 65% agree. I'm a bit worried down here.
The 3% who said depends on the course sounds like they'll take
whichever time. So in the end, which is faster
if you if you run a marathon, you take the official race time.
You put your faith in the people running the thing. 65% of those
who chimed in, which was a reasonable data set as saying if
we run, I agree, OK, it's your race time.
And you know what, if it isn't, that's the race.
Doesn't matter. Fair enough.
Ryan tags another message got sent into the podcast.
G'day fellas. A little late, but I wanted to
chime in. Just listen to episode 20 where
Courtney, you talk about running in Japan.
Coincidentally, I've just found myself in the Kyoto area
tomorrow. Courtney, you were saying how
great the heat maps are on Strava.
And I, like Liam, don't pay, so I don't have premium Strava.
So I had a stalk of your account to figure out where to run while
having a stalk, I oddly used the web app.
I found this web app has free heat maps.
Came for the Kyoto River tomorrow.
Cheers. This is huge.
This is on on your laptop version?
Yeah, you can look at the heat maps I've been talking about the
whole time for free. I like this.
It's a loop hack. It's a it's a hack.
It's a loophole. So if you don't pay for Strava,
like me and and Ryan here and you're on holidays and you wanna
know where to run, you wanna find where people run, jump on
the web version of Strava and you should be able to access the
heat maps. This is huge.
Thanks, Ryan. And if you work for Strava and
you try and close this loophole after listening to it stuff you,
that's not what we're about here.
What do you mean up to running, Liam?
OK, so my for people following along with the marathon
episodes, you know I'm in the hands of Bonita.
I am currently managing A slight soleus strain, which is not
great given I've been in the programme with Bonita for a
week. Nice.
You don't know what a soleus is. So that your muscle is made up
of your calf muscles made up of two muscles, the big one, the
gastroc, which is the one at the back, the big chunky thing that
when you flex that looks muscular and impressive, and the
soleus which is kind of the little one that runs behind it
closer to the bone. I was just off the calf, but
thank you. Well, hey, this is how many calf
drawers I had. I can now tell you what the calf
is made up of. Soleus is the little one.
Gastric is the big one. I have had history with soleus
issues because I'm a coffee runner.
In fact so much so the physios are now describing me that I go
and see a Gold Coast physio as I made a booking and Liam my
physio shared the same name said to Mark, another guy who I've
seen previously, Hey Liam has made an appointment.
Mark said what's the problem? Liam said don't know, it's
probably a calf. Mark said I agree, I'm now known
as a coffee runner at the physio.
Fair enough. So basically jumped into the
training session with Benita and felt fine, aerobically felt
fine. Went for the long run session
which was meant to be a 25K to 28K set.
Ended up pulling the pin at 22. Felt the calf sort of just a bit
of like tightness sort of at you know, 7 O 8K in.
Pushed on with accelerating the pace but found myself not
wanting to toe strike like I normally would instead of kind
of drop back to heel striking because the calf didn't feel
great. I was meant to accelerate
quicker than marathon pace and I just said there's why would I do
this? It feels like it's going to
tear. I feel like I'm going to wind
you this badly pulled up and then silly a strain right.
Lessons for me were better to stop than push on What?
Why continue to push on which which you're going to have to do
throughout the whole marathon, right Yeah, so good.
So I'm glad because previously I probably would have tried to
push through it and I've, and I end up tearing it or something.
So I've pulled it back. I'm currently doing a little bit
of rehab work to get it right so I can pick up the marathon plan
with Benita from there. But yeah, it was frustrating.
And I think the other lesson talking to Benita was that I
probably wasn't recovered enough from Kanani.
The the, you know, the, the one week off and then going into a
marathon programme wasn't enough time for the legs to recover
from Kanani. You can blame me on that one.
No, no, no, no, no, no blame, Don't blame.
But that's where I'm at. The other lesson, and this is a
more of a shoe lesson, which some people appreciate.
I am lucky enough, thanks to you and some other people to have
plenty of shoes in the wardrobe. But what I didn't have in my
shoe wardrobe, run in the quiver.
In the quiver is these Adidas Boston twelves, which is what I
ran a lot in last year. I really like running in them
and it's what I ran my half marathon PB in last year that
you comfort you there. I there I love training in them
because it's not a full carbon plate.
They've got these carbon rods so you get that energy return.
There's a nice bit of foam in them.
So you get more than I do from say the ASICS Nova Blast that
I've run in previously. But it's not as taxing as
running in something that's a full carbon plate.
It's a nice in between. I had the pair of those I had
died. I was sitting there on my laptop
ready to buy a new pair and Alana, my wife said, what are
you doing? I said, I'm just going to buy a
pair of of my Adidas are dead. I need to buy a new pair.
And she goes, you're going to buy shoes.
And I said yeah, and we should be got in the last.
And that's what she said. She said, how many shoes do you
need? And what I should have done, and
this is to every runner out there who's about to buy
themselves new shoes, you buy those shoes.
Because what I should have done is said to her, yeah, I've got a
lot of shoes in there, but I don't have the shoes I need.
And I feel like it's the people who have bikes or golf clubs or
anything like that. This is the rationale they give
themselves. Well, I should have said to my
wife was, no, but I don't have the shoes I need, so I didn't
buy them. And I ended up doing that longer
run in another pair of shoes with a full plate, which didn't
have enough sport and I didn't like them and I felt my calves
felt tight and didn't enjoy running in them.
Instead, I let the guilt get the better of me.
Have you spent some dollars now? I have since gone and purchased
the new pair of Adidas Boston Twelves.
They're ready to go. The quiver has expanded and the
quiver has expanded. I will be back on deck next
week. It's always how many shoes have
I got plus one. It always works, mate.
That's the bike rule as well. That is that.
Yeah, that is the bike rule. I've just brought it over to
run. What about you?
What's what's can you give me an update on your on on the injury
because how long has it been since you've been for a run?
It's what do we ask about 3 1/2 getting up to four weeks.
I've been walking around on it now.
Feel like we're asking about your sobriety.
How many days? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're getting there. Look, I'm not trying to look at
each way on this obvious. It's actually been nice just to
switch off a little bit, OK, It's the longest I haven't run
since I would have been 15-16 years old.
So on one hand it's kind of like a nice change and I have to
think about running too much. But I'm itching to get back in
at the same time, probably start to get in on a, I'll start to
get on a bike this week. I've got to go.
What I didn't realise is I've kind of got a bit of a orange
light to get back and do some light bike spinning on a bike
even probably maybe get on some bit of like weights, not
heavyweights, but obviously just start to.
And then I realise I'm away on the road with Subaru for another
week and a half and the only thing I probably can do on that
is run. Yeah.
So I'm kind of half open. They go bring your bike and I
can just spin that around. But yeah, that's where I'm.
But hey, one thing you didn't mention.
You told me you were telling me that story the other night when
you were watching soccer. You're watching soccer down at.
Didn't tell you this story. Yes, this was a cracker of the
story. So I was at Pizzi Park, home of
the Gold Coast Run Co and I was on the my daughter is also a
part of the belly Bulldog. She just sat and started playing
soccer out there and we went out there to watch the under 20
threes and the and the open men's team that were having a
game on the night. Now the game started, I think
the under 23 men kicked off at about 6:30.
So by this point it's basically too dark to be doing anything
else on any of the other pitches and the lights are in effect on
the main Oval. What I noticed is there were two
blokes doing a run. But once it got dark and we're
in the clubhouse, we're set up every there is a big crowd there
to watch this under 23 sports game set it up.
There's a, there's a clubhouse, there's like a mini grandstand
and then it goes, there's a strip of grass before the the
sideline. There's probably a, a A2 metre
wide stretch between the fence of the pitch and the grandstand
where everybody's standing and sitting and mingling around and
having beers and doing whatever. There's about A2 metre wide path
through there. Yep.
Most local soccer clubs, these two blokes insisted and they
were running laps, but they insisted on running in between
along that path while the game's going, while the game's going
on. So not only were they
interrupting the view, but it was just an ink I, my head was
saying, surely this is inconvenient for you as runners
to be continuously interrupting must have been awkward.
And which is why I think I asked you the question on either phone
or text message. Do you?
Should runners have to adapt to their environment or is it the
other way around or should the environment have to adapt to the
runner? So if you're a regular runner of
a certain loop. So if they were doing this every
Friday. That was a question I think I
asked yeah. Is there a game like is there
training or a game on every week there and the game's impeding on
them versus is this a one off? I there's so many questions.
The first question I had, did they have shirts on or not?
One of them had his shirt on. OK.
The other one had his shirt off, 1 was shirt off.
Jeez. I, because I, I, I, I think
about it because obviously we have the path here and I think
about the 10 in Melbourne, I think about all these regular
running sports. But if there's something else
going on because it's not a dedicated running track, my
instinct would be will you move as the runner you find somewhere
else to run? In this case, I'm 100% like,
yes, you can run there when there's no games, of course,
when when the club is in operation, even if it was
training when the club's in operation and you're you're
literally a knife between the grand, the grandstand and a
proper game going on. Yeah, I don't know what these
fellas are thinking. And the point you can run them
just around the back of the clubhouse or something.
You know this couldn't see anything.
This was really weird. I won't be interested if anyone
we're not like, what do you reckon?
Is this something you. Hey, what would you do if you
were in this situation? Here's the question.
Send us a message if you run in an inconvenient spot, like if
you regularly interrupt something with your running path
and you refuse to change. But I'm going to judge you, but
just curious to know Yeah, like imagine if you here's imagine
for a comparison. Southport markets are on right?
Or Surfers Paradise markets. Sorry.
Oh, that's AI wouldn't run through there.
I don't think you could run through there.
But even if you tried, it'd be a bit weird.
But you just but that's the case if you were running up and the
surface paradise markets are on the Esplanade, yes, you would
dip out on the road. There you go for two seconds.
Yep, pop back up on the path, cool and gather markets down the
South end. Same thing if the cooling
markets are on and they're not as crowded, but I would still
move this I would run around. They need to watch Queensland's
government's transpose video safety videos.
They need to be watching running etiquette.
Hey on your talking about you you got a little bit of a nickel
or whatever on the the calf. Michael Richardson so Richo N
queen it's NQ he's an Angel isn't on Instagram writes in a
fair bit. He's got a his account is full
of running memes. Yeah, quite, quite talented at
knocking them out. Hey, say that, Richard.
But he said, mate, you've got this, Liam, trust me.
He's got a message for me. He's got a message for you.
Yep, You got, you got this, Liam.
Trust your coach, trust the process.
And he says, I bet you'll start feeling like a machine around
week 6 to 8, six to seven. All right.
Now it got me thinking because I used to always say when we got
back in the run group after, you know, having a bit of time off
and whatever, I always used to say week 3 was my week.
Like the first three weeks getting back was always like,
eh, there's if you're right, week 3 something would quick.
And then three months was like 9 weeks.
You're, you feel, you feel rock solid.
OK, you're on, you're on that, that that made me think of that.
Thank you, Richard. Yeah, Richard, share that.
We'll leave that 10. I've got a bit of audio so I
don't have a local race this week.
No local race shout out, no local race shout out, but have a
listen to this and we'll we'll have a chat after.
OK, so Renee and I have decided that you need a new segment.
It is race Reports and we're going to give you our very first
one off the back of the Nike Women's Half Marathon or Nike
After Dark Tour Half Marathon. I'm just walking home from it.
So this is coming live. Absolutely chef's kiss no notes.
That was the coolest running event I've ever been a part of
everything from the pick up of bibs, the whole event
experience, the medals, they're necklaces, they're beautiful.
The finish line was incredible and and straight into like
incredible DJ set gig on for a couple of hours off the back of
the event. The course itself, the Super
urban course. So you're never gonna hit a
massive PB, although Renee did huge PB.
Good girl. But there were just like all of
these touch points all over the place that just like honestly,
Nike, Nike is cool again, if you want to hit target females aged,
I don't know, 18 to 30. There was 7 1/2 thousand women
running and it was the most incredible vibe.
So chess kiss no notes Nike after dark to our race report.
Everyone should do it. Wow.
OK, yeah, so that was Jen Davis and Renee from Red Bull got out
there down his Sydney, a huge event.
I love if people want to send their race reports after events,
they do right here for it. I think we can be the home of
race reports. So Yep, if you have, if you go
and run a race and want to send us your nice contained race
report like Jen just did, keep it short, keep it sharp, keep it
to the highlights and then we might look to include as many of
those as we can. Nike, well done.
Nike's cool again. I like that tagline too.
Not great again. Not great again.
Yeah, because they've been struggling.
But the necklace, I just, I was just trying to look at it.
Look quickly up for the photo. I saw it.
It's pretty cool now. And because this was the, was it
the Osaka Women's Marathon that used to have this as a for
Tiffany, as the Tiffany we talked about, we've talked a lot
about rice souvenirs, mementos instead of a medal instead of a
medal. I love the idea of a necklace.
Yeah, I saw a pic picture of it. It's kind of this is, this is
this event that happened in Sydney, something of an
extension of the event that I went to at the Broadwater
Parklands there. And we, yeah, we talked about
that at the time. This is I don't want to say it's
the future of recreational running, but it's going to be a
fixture because these night time festival type events is what
people want to do. Yep, if we haven't, I'll try and
post some of the pictures. But like it looked amazing.
The premium 7 1/2 thousand females.
That's a great turn out. That's a that's a great
international DJ at the end of it.
I can't, I didn't know the name, but it's it's what's made live
golf successful in Adelaide too, is that you're taking a sport
that Yep, has it's die hard fans, but you're making it
accessible to the average person by by making it cool.
Yeah. And night time like it was shut
Rd shut down. So I when I first heard about
the event, I was kind of thinking it's going to be out at
Sydney Olympic Park and they shut down the Sydney Olympic
Park and they do a night time half marathon around there and
that. But it actually, it started out
they I think Jen said they went out on light rails on the light
rail or a bus or train or something started.
So it was point to point. They finished back in around
Darling Harbour, somewhere there, I believe.
I was going to say, where did they run it?
I'm just having a look again. I haven't, I haven't done my
research on this one. And then, oh, here you go.
The After Dark tour is officially rolling.
Next up. I'm just having a look at the
Nike runway. So they're going Shanghai.
Yeah, so great. I mean, we're they're nice.
We want more of these events where they've got nice.
Not just a run, but it's a it's a festival.
I suppose. It is a proper festival.
Well done. Georgia Smith was the DJ for
this one. Do you know her?
Nope. I've been told on good authority
at headline international acts. So.
OK. All right.
Samuel Jackson wrote in, Hey, I like this one.
He's a listener. Samuel Jackson.
Yeah, we've been going too long today, haven't we?
Hey, boys. Love the pod.
I love the pod. You boys do.
Question. Coming into the colder and
shorter days. Yes, this is happening.
Daylight savings has finished. Can you guys recommend or maybe
tell us up to five headlights or lights for running?
Thanks. Great question.
I have no idea. So I've passed, but I have
passed this off to our good friend Ando down at Wild Earth,
right, Yes. And if you need to go and see
someone about any of these, this type of stuff, he's in there
with all the equipment. He trials it.
He knows what he's talking about.
So he said, brother, I recommend the LED Lenser MH10 Beast, and
it's rechargeable. Had the old version, the Neo,
the Neo Tenor. So I had this version too.
Yeah, I've got this one, Ken vouch for it.
Nice and comfortable. But if you're looking for
something, so that's his recommendation.
And I have had the older version of this, so I can say great
headlamp. Not going to give you 5, five
different variances of it. But if you're looking for
something to wear on the road, the black diamonds will do the
job. So the black diamonds is another
one I got which is just a really super lightweight.
If you're in the trails, it kind of makes your eyes go a bit
funny because it's kind of, I think it might be like 300
lumens. It's not bright enough really to
see everything so you feel like you're running a dust without a
headlamp the whole time anyway. If you're on the road, use that.
But he also said if you're running on the road, honestly
you shouldn't have a headlamp on.
Just run where there's lights. There you go.
Good, actually good tip. Really good tip.
Just go and figure out a spot because if you went down near
where you are at Kira and you ran that path back and forth,
Yep, that's all headlamped, isn't it?
That's all life. You could run there anytime,
midnight, whatever. Yep, same up around surf pretty
much anywhere on the Esplanade. I could, but I I don't reckon
females would feel safe to do it at the at that time of night.
Agreed. But then they're also not going
to go and wear a headlamp. But that's it's not going to
make a headlamp's not going to make any safer, is it?
No, correct. Good call on that.
So and then he just added on another great podcast, podcast
boys. The marathon episodes are great
and everyone's got something to learn a little bit there.
Hey, Liam, see, this is his suggestion.
Everyone's giving you marathon advice, mate.
Like I said, guys, you've got a coach trust in the captain.
But he he said, Liam, see a marathon race like a Uno game.
Oh, here we go. Now he's talking about my coach.
OK, keep going. You're playing against yourself,
and Benita is giving you the cards, right?
OK. OK.
I think I understand. OK.
Is it what does this? Is that the end of it?
No, no. Well, that's the end of that
part. All right.
OK, Now don't save the four, the carbon shoes to the end game
because it won't work. I've got it, I've got it.
No, he's saying you've got in the card set she's given you is
all the little bits of advice and training.
Yeah. The plus four card, you know,
the draw four. Yeah, is a pair of carbon shoes.
Don't save it. OK.
OK, I got it. I got it.
Don't save you draw 4 until the end because it won't work.
Wear it during during your sessions doing a long run with
effort where the so where the normal shoes for warm up, warm
down and use the trial the carbon shoes before the
marathon. So he's saying use the carbon
shoes in training. Yep, as a draw 4 card.
OK, I like the analogy. That's good.
I mean it would have been better if you understood it before you
without a radiance. I was concentrating on headlamps
and having my having having enough information.
Can we start talking about Sulconi?
Because you've been wanting to talk about this all episode.
We can we, we kind of gave them a bit of a not a bad rap, but we
were kind of saying about one of the fringe, fringe shoes.
Everything I'm saying, and this post is the same. 2025 is
belonging to Ciccone. They're winning.
This is the runner alerts is
always a great a great site to follow on all this kind of yeah,
yeah, yeah, all this new stuff coming out.
But this isn't just on there. I've seen this has been said
even the I've been seeing lately the Australian version of the
Zaccone site. They're doing great things.
They're saying disruptive, so social activations, cool
product. The brand team are right on.
You know, they're in that style I talked about where you start
saying it's all the same dark, low, low shutter rate, kind of,
you know, stutter in their images and all of that.
So they're on brand for that kind of cool something.
But what they're doing, they're also, and this was my throwback
to your jacket. They're living in the past.
They're doing a lot of their vintage gear.
And I can recall having this Zirconi, exactly that top you're
wearing today with like the old branding of it and it was like a
sky blue, sky blue and white. It was something like you'd wear
to, you know, school gym. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they're bringing all that back as well.
So and the last thing of this is they're showing up correctly.
So they're not only talking about that new on trend young
run club stuff, they're also talking to, you know, the older
crew who remember them back in the day, vintage and everything
else. So it's working for all and they
seem to be doing great stuff. I'm just doing a bit of a like
because I don't know much about them.
Saucony, is it not Saucony like the Aussies will pronounce it?
I'm just looking on literally looking on Wikipedia, American
brand founded in 1898, so they're over 100 years old.
Jeez, Saucony. All right, so well done to them.
Ed Goddard, they've got running for.
Why does that name bring it ring a bell?
Oh, he I think I'm pretty sure he's one like city to see
probably something yeah, around city to surf.
I'm pretty sure he's run one or been up there around that place.
But he's doing all of their, all of their kind of like not
filming the content, but he's obviously got someone doing that
for him. And yeah, they're doing great
stuff. So that's get around them.
The other one, just keeping on shoes for a little bit, The
European half marathon championships, our old friend
the Kip Run, Remember the decathlon white goods shoe?
We'll talk about carbon plated decathlon shoe.
Yes, the Kip run, we were saying like it could be an IP
infringement. It won the race, so European
half marathon championships. First from France was Jimmy
Gracia in the keep run. Now decathlon being a French
brand, that makes a little bit of sense, but he's won it in
5944. So they go all right, that is
interesting. Alpha Fly with a Norwegian
runner in second and then the on cloud boom Strike with another
French runner. Valentin came third.
So there you go. There's a bit of a mix up double
podium appearance. Well, not one, no, no, no,
sorry. One on on with the other ones.
So there's a new star, you know, the new kids on the block with
with an alpha flight smack bang in the middle.
So new shoe making noise. You talk about what's going on
in shoes. There's a lot of choice out
there at the moment. Someone will win a race in one
of those God awful Chinese ones. You may be running soon enough.
Well, someone went to race in those bloody sandals with a
carbon blade, so, you know. All right, nice one.
Hey, make sure you're tuning in to the midweek marathon run
episodes if you haven't already. We got more stuff coming on.
We'll have the latest from Benita and Bronte and everyone
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