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In the beginning episode 31, how
he caught oh good mate, I'm just

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eyeing off your triple M vintage
jacket over there a little bit 

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of retro merch if you if you 
listen in. 

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We also do the video video 
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you can always see what we're 
talking about, but we'll try and

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keep it to audio. 
This is this triple M released 

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these retro things two years 
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I reckon this retro range very 
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Got a thing on Zaccone coming up
later in the episode, which that

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sounds looks like you dressed 
for the dressed for the chat 

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mate. 
I want to start off today with 

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and I know that people are 
already specifically tuning in 

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for this because I've told some 
people I was going to bring it 

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up the Canberra marathon last 
weekend. 

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Yep, I saw it. 
Well done to everybody who ran 

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it. 
Chat it to anybody that PB 

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finished. 
Great event. 

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Seems to be a really popular 
marathon. 

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Courtney, if you were sent out 
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Canberra marathon, or any 
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you're, and I'm not saying just 
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officially pacing. 
Like you've got a balloon on or 

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something. 
You've got a flag. 

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Yep. 
What time should you come home? 

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I'd say 3:15, 3/15, That'd be a 
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Any wiggle room? 
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or there, but I think if you're 
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to get pretty close. 
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What do you talk? 
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what you think the In your mind,
what is the role of the pacer at

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a marathon, official pacer at 
marathon. 

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I never thought about it too 
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assumption that common sense 
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possible to get to the goal 
time. 

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Exactly. 
And we've got some technology 

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these days that helps you do 
that. 

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So you wouldn't take your own 
personal strategy to negative 

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split, positive split, whatever 
you're just trying to run. 

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Even even though we know it's 
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split it, I would still run it 
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the marathon you should. 
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run that pace so you're in 
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manage the pace, get there at 
the right time, OK, This is not 

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a hypothetical situation. 
We're talking about Canberra 

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Marathon. 
This is Canberra Marathon on the

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weekend. 
I don't know the person, there's

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no need to name the person, but 
I've been told this is what 

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happened and I've had a look and
the data is there. 

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A peso for the 3:15 group has 
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That's a fair gap. 
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between the pace that they've 
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they would run the group and the
pace they would they they 

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actually got to the line in. 
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The pacer has said that the pack
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moving really well. 
Oh, they felt good. 

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Yep, right. 
So everyone felt good and that 

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the decision to go faster was a 
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running with them made that 
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OK, Does that make that time OK?
No, I want more context at the 

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moment. 
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mean, where's this information 
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Is it coming from the pace or 
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the pack? 
This is the paces. 

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Thoughts on what happened? 
The pace who made the the paces 

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comments on on the time was that
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collective decision asked the 
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yeah, go for it. 
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accelerate and and and go for 
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Person on the backs probably got
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I reckon I've been told that 
some people popped yeah, and and

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and not only didn't stay with 
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the 3:50. 
So the the my next question then

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is what what obligation does a 
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Well, like we're saying, they 
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do they have an obligation to 
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I think they have an obligation 
to the race. 

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I think they have an obligation 
to the runners in their pack. 

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Let me pivot slightly because I 
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pile in on the pacer. 
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Personally, I think this Pacers 
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Now I've never paced. 
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I've never paced a race right. 
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that burden is like what that 
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I know people that have paced 
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approach it. 
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I also think the runners as a 
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eggs in the pacer basket, right?
So if you're if you're one of 

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the runners that popped because 
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who was, that's your own fault. 
That's your that you've got to 

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put your own hand up there. 
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You can't throw all the blame. 
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he was meant to. 
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few people go into a marathon 
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piece of technology attached to 
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fast they should be running. 
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blame at your pacer who went too
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there's a little bit of you 
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responsibility for yourself 
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That's true. 
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time they're probably running 
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Let's just Farg for argument, 
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good. 
I'm feeling pretty good. 

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Yeah, sure, let's push the pace.
It's a pretty easy thing to say 

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yes to when you're feeling good.
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two people next year running at 
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I don't know how big this pack 
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All right, all hypotheticals, 
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in what's the obliga like, is it
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There's a lot of marathons on at
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Is it hard for them to get 
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So like is is, is the quality of
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jeez, you can run. 
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he's run faster, so it's 
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slower, right. 
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actually, were they what's the 
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We're we're I would, I actually 
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than being a pacer who misses 
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Agree. 
Agreed. 

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Yeah, that is the greater pacing
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fast. 
Correct. 

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OK, because I would be ropeable 
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pacing with them and then 
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to make it now. 
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you know, you can make the 
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fast, I'll back off. 
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trust in a pacer early and then 
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hey, there's no negative split 
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gave everybody a crack to hit 
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Whereas if he had been going 10 
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time, nobody's ever gotten the 
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I so OK, we agree, We agree. 
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I think. 
And look, again, I've talked 

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offhand, I've talked off the 
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podcast and I'm about to do it 
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I vaguely recall the London 
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like a if you're not within 20 
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your pace time, the pace time 
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get invited back like it is that
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expectations they place on their
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you be within 20 seconds of this
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Agreed. 
And and, and, and if you don't, 

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thanks, thanks, but we don't 
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We won't have you back. 
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you're pacing a set pace, you 
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can comfortably, you know, like,
oh, I always thought of as a 

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pacer, you'd be going in like if
I can run three hours, well, 

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I'll pace the 320 pack. 
You know, I've got 20 minutes up

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my sleeve. 
I should be able to control this

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pretty well. 
Which comes back to my question,

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how hard is it with so many 
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the moment and being so popular,
are races hard up to find paces?

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It's a good question. 
Anyone else question? 

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We should look into the gold. 
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marathon people how they go 
about recruit. 

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We shouldn't get a pacer on. 
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idea. 
We should have a pacer on and 

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actually talk about the 
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Out of curiosity, what pace for 
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Injuries aside, would you do you
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Yep 100% I'll get you there. 
Up to what pace? 

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Like let's say I was physically 
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sub three hours or breaking 3 
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Well, the boys run three hours. 
We're aiming for three hours. 

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So the, my, the, your crew, 
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with, they've always been aiming
to break 3 hours, 250. 

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So when we're doing early, Yep, 
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give them a time trial or 
whatever. 

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I'm comfortable to go and do 
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They might be trying to hold 330
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and, and and run along. 
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the balloon, whatever it was, 
you'd be comfortable to with the

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responsibility expectation at 3 
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Yeah, Yep. 
What about at 250? 

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Yep, 240 I'd want to be training
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OK, so OK, so sub sub let's say 
sub 245 is where Courtney Atkins

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does get a little bitty about 
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Like we said mate, I, I'm not 
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this until I run it and we will 
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But no, like I Wings for Life 
world run. 

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There's a charity race where we 
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Red Bull put it on and we go out
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I remember one year I did it by 
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Normally you join him. 
I won't go to Sydney or wherever

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and I did it along the Esplanade
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I ran from home down along 
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up and down the beach. 
Now I think I ended up finishing

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the night and did 40 something 
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tapping along at about 3:30 
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night and I was very, very 
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OK, so that that that type of 
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that, you know, I'm around those
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But hey, mate, never say never. 
I will not put myself out there 

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saying I can do something until 
I know I've got some proof in 

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the pudding. 
And look, it's yeah, OK. 

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Shout out to anybody that's ever
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It's I think that half marathon 
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90. 
In my head I was going to have a

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pacer to run with. 
When I got there in the morning,

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there was no pacer. 
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probably a good thing for me 
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on my own shoulders to try and 
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But if I had my time again, I'd 
still love to have someone there

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running with the flag. 
Still pretty nice. 

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I mean, you turn up to a race, 
it's a bit entitled, isn't it? 

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I turn up to the race and I've 
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it's an amazing, it's an amazing
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to offer and, and for the people
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own race to go. 
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crewing. 
You're you're like the people 

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that, that ultras and trail ones
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people. 
And it's you're part of the 

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support stuff. 
Yeah. 

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You're just a fit person. 
Yeah, as well. 

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And you fit and you fit. 
Share that. 

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Paces. 
Hey, I've seen you this week. 

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You know, I'm looking at your 
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I've seen you popping up with 
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place. 
I've got to send a photo. 

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This came from Adelaide. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Explain to me what's going on. 

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We ran a competition called Live
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And the idea was that 10 
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and lived with them for two 
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challenges to one day that get 
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could, another day they had to 
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could. 
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long challenge. 
Mate, I'm so glad this thing's 

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over. 
I am so sick of people messaging

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me going was there a cut out of 
you at my cafe? 

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Why I got again, this is meant 
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Coast and a mate of mine who's a
wine maker in the Barossa Valley

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sent me a video of it walking 
through his vineyard. 

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I'm like, what is it doing down 
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What a promotion. 
It was I I honestly thought 

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there must have been 200 of 
these things. 

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So there's only 10 of them. 
There's ten of them and it's the

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the ten of them going multiple 
times. 

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I'll tell you what the Gold 
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though. 
They they, they, they all had 

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the same idea, which is, oh, 
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Suns training session. 
I think we got some of them back

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and we had the Gold Coast Suns 
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So they didn't do face. 
That's why my cut out has been 

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you've you've been everywhere 
this week. 

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Let's get into some a bit of bit
of comic running, Josh Pew, Pew 

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comic. 
Now, this is before runners, 

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before we had social media. 
This is how we'd go about it. 

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You're right. 
Just been running. 

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Yeah, just now. 6 kilometres, 32
minutes, 34 seconds. 

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Yeah. 
Max heart rate 162. 

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Average heart rate 140. 
He's. 

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Turned up to a random 
neighbour's house, Yeah. 

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Incline Nought .1% incline yeah 
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slowed down for the middle one 
and then picked up again for the

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next few. 
Sorry why are you telling me 

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this? 
Just letting everybody know. 

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Just going like around everybody
I know just like everyone like 

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friends. 
People used to go to school with

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ex work colleagues. 
Just getting round up and 

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letting everyone know Yeah mate 
say this as well. 

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Say this, it's marked, just 
marked on a map. 

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The route I did, he wanted to 
have a look at it so. 

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Yeah, that's my favourite. 
That's my favourite bit of that.

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Do you like it? 
Do you like what? 

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I've done this. 
Morning. 

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Would you say you love it? 
I, I got sent that by so many 

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people. 
I reckon everybody listening has

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probably been sent that link at 
some point. 

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They're starting to get the our 
humour. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
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that's the other evolution of 
that's how you know, running's 

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hit the mainstream because now 
there are comedians doing 

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parodies of that stuff. 
So, yeah, it's, it's, it's good 

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stuff. 
It's good. 

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It's bang on too. 
And it's it's bang on. 

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How would you do it before You 
didn't have, you wouldn't 

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immediately tell everyone, 
wouldn't tell anybody about it. 

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Can't put up your Strava map. 
No, you'd have a Facebook group 

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where you'd have guilty of that.
I'm guilty of that. 

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I love, I love a good old Strava
map up on socials. 

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I running. 
It's all just continuing 

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running, running, running. 
Track and Fields is on fire, 

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right? 
Having a moment. 

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It's more than a moment. 
He's on fire. 

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Australian track and fields 
having a moment, yes. 

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And there's a few things I want 
to touch on. 

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Got 1 Lee O'Brien breaks 1557 
year old Raylene boy's record. 

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Leah O'Brien, this is the West 
Australian girl. 

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Yep, Hey, what is with our 
sprinters at the moment? 

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Like we'll get on to the next 
thing, but let's concentrate on 

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the females first 'cause it's, 
you know, they're not probably 

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getting quite the attention. 
The other fella is, but it's 

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happening across the board. 
What, what do you have any 

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ideas? 
What? 

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Well, let's think back to seven,
you know, 17 years ago, right? 

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Gout, gout 17, Lear O'Brien. 
By the way, this Western 

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Australian sprinter, same age, 
she's a 17 year old. 

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So let's go back 17 years. 
What does that take us back to 

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2008? 
You know what Olympic Games was 

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that was that Beijing. 
Beijing. 

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You know and and or probably 
more so you jump forward maybe 

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yeah I don't 2 Olympic Games 
from there realised what was 

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going on. 
No but you know maybe I don't 

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know what was going on in 
Australia in 2008 That the 

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genetics of the countries have 
taken a leap forward. 

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I look, I, I just going off the 
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different generations in in 
different sports at different 

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There's, you know, Matilda's 

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have just gone through their 
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talent pool was of a level that 
it came together on the national

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scale in the national team 
environment and the jettison 

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women's football to the levels 
that we now see. 

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And I think we've, for whatever 
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Aussie sprinting, which has just
got these young stand out 

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talents as part of it. 
And I don't know what's caused 

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it, but I'm so excited for it 
because it's good depth. 

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Short of Kathy, we've never had 
this is this is a first. 

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This is a first from a 
international talent standard 

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perspective. 
Yeah, well, they're not quite 

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there yet, They gotta prove. 
But in terms beating potential, 

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the best young, young, young 
crew are beating the Australian 

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all time records. 
Yes, that's the difference now. 

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That's never happened, No. 
And that's a shift. 

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That's a shift. 
That's a change. 

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And again, we'll get to Gout and
Lachie Kennedy in a second, but 

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for Leo O'Brien, because who's 
the. 

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I've forgotten her name. 
She was at the Olympics, just 

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gone in Paris, the young 
sprinter with the curly hair 

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whose name eludes me. 
Now I'm going to do a quick 

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Google. 
Yeah, you Google that? 

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Well, I I keep going. 
I think it's got to do. 

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There has to have something to 
do. 

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You're on the right track with 
the Olympics. 

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I think at some stage, young 
athletes have to be inspired. 

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And when I say inspired, at what
point did they decide, like we 

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heard gout talk a little bit 
about it with his coach, He was 

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running good at school, he was 
doing basketball. 

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And the coach said, sat down, 
you can be an Olympic champion. 

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I can see it in you. 
And then there's the belief from

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that point on. 
But broader than that, the grass

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roots of whatever athletics have
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10 years, that's what's actually
fielding these athletes now. 

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They've come through a 
developmental phase as Scotland 

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to to this standard at a young 
age. 

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So the call, the shadow should 
be something I don't know, I 

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don't know. 
I'm not across it enough to know

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whether it's in athletics 
Australia, whether it's private,

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what it is. 
But something is going right in 

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that sport and not just in 
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middle distance, right with the 
depth of our middle distance 

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runners at the moment, it's the 
same. 

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And what a kind of compare it to
I went through a period in 

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triathlon where I was part of a 
generational kind of like 

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dominance in the sense of guys 
older than me. 

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I was probably at the back end 
of it, went through this 

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generational dominance of being 
the best triathletes in the 

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world. 
And we had depth and all of that

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type of thing. 
We've seen this type of thing in

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running now. 
And that's exciting because 

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running, you know, every kid can
do that. 

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So we we start, if we build that
inspiration now through these 

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young kids, they're saying this 
is going to continue for a 

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while. 
So can you talk a little bit 

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more about it from a triathlon 
perspective? 

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Because you're talking about you
came in on the back of guys like

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Brad Bevan and Chris McCormack 
and that, yeah, dominating 

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Australian athlete to have them 
to like, you're always going to 

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get the one offs, You know, the 
outliers who, you know, pop up 

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in a sport because their parents
were great at that sport and 

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they there's genetics at play. 
Yeah, whatever. 

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But I grew up in a time where 
you've gotta have something to 

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look forward to. 
So like, what is it as a 10 year

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old, a 12 year old or whatever 
that age kid is? 

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Yeah, what am I look into? 
They go, I wanna be that it's 

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got to be something pretty shiny
or pretty nice or like, you 

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know, a kid running around at 
the moment saying whether it's a

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young female saying this were 
record broken or was someone 

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watching gout going I want to be
him like that too. 

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That's going to drive someone 
then to go through that process 

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of driving. 
For me, it was saying, you know,

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you mentioned Brad and Greg 
Walsh and those guys like I 

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wanted to emulate them and 
that's what drove me. 

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And there was like a a 
livelihood in doing that as 

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well. 
So it was a double whammy and 

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does it and does it. 
Is it does it make it easier for

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the coaches if you're to to show
young athletes look like it's if

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you can see you can be it sort 
of thing like a coach might not 

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become any more educated or 
develop any new tools as a 

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coach, but just having that 
thing to point to, does that 

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make life easier for them? 
Of course, of course. 

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It's just, it's also just a 
numbers game. 

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If you're attracting more 
people, more younger kids to 

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come in and try something 
because they've got visibility 

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of where they can go in the 
future. 

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It's like anything, if you 
can't, if you if you haven't got

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a benchmark and you can't see 
where you're going to go, it's 

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going to be a lot harder to kind
of make the whole pathway 

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yourself. 
If you've got this great line of

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kind of talent, the talent in 
coaches and knowledge. 

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I mean, the knowledge is a huge 
one of how to train and some of 

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the distance stuff you could 
probably argue now, you know, 

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that group of distance runners 
down in Melbourne who were, you 

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know, firing on all cylinders. 
You could argue like there was 

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Nick Paddeau and he was coaching
a range. 

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And then like Motrim Collis, 
these are the guys who I went to

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the games with but are now 
coaching these athletes. 

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There's been a transfer of 
knowledge. 

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Gotcha. 
And with that transfer of 

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knowledge and then the the 
ability to bring in talent, I 

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think where the magic happens. 
Yeah. 

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Just quickly going back to the 
women's sprinters, at the moment

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Leah O'Brien breaks that junior 
record held by Raylene Boyle. 

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Tory Lewis was the young 
sprinter. 

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I was thinking about that. 
She's only 20 years of age, 

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still very much on the up and 
up. 

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And big shout out to Bree Rizzo 
as she is now. 

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Bree Masters, who is, you know, 
at 29, is the vet amongst these 

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women, this female sprinting 
group at the moment and 

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performing outstandingly. 
I love what she's doing, what 

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Bree does for women's sprinting.
But yeah, the the future is 

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bright on the women's side too, 
despite the fact that the 

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spotlight is very much on young 
Aussie male sprinters. 

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Right? 
Yeah. 

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So on the male one, there's a 
lot of. 

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Let's touch on it quickly. 
Do you agree? 

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I mean Lucky Kennedy beeped out 
it came out again ran great not 

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even getting a wind of 
disqualified in the 200 metre 

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final yeah I mean the the most 
recent one's a bit different, 

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but even probably going up to 
that around 100 metres Yep. 

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What can he do what can he do 
the and he's handling it very 

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well. 
By the way, the Lockheed Kennedy

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gout gout situation is a, is a 
an example in, in that's playing

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out in real time about the thing
you and I have spoken about a 

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lot about athletes and 
noisemakers. 

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Gout gout is a noisy athlete. 
Lucky Kennedy by comparison, is 

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not a noisy athlete. 
I'm not saying that is a 

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critical of gout or lucky. 
I'm just saying it's the reality

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of the public perception right 
now. 

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Gout gout is making huge noise. 
But do you know what is this is 

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Gout's not making the noise. 
Oh, yeah. 

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Again, this is this is the 
difference. 

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Yeah, yeah, this is the 
difference though, right? 

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Which because it's it's so 
organic in like, even if you 

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just sat like I sat down on 
YouTube, I think might have been

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the day after that 200 run, the 
last 200 run. 

448
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,720
It's not his. 
It's it's US publications, it's 

449
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,320
US YouTube channels. 
It's everyone else showing those

450
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,280
videos. 
Like it's not being driven 

451
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,240
necessary by him. 
And that's why it's 

452
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,200
uncontrollable and so exciting 
because he just runs. 

453
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,600
It does a bit of a show. 
Yeah, the show is getting 

454
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,560
bigger, but he's not, it's not 
him and his team that need to 

455
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,120
push it out there. 
So it's interesting because yes,

456
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,840
it's noisy, but it's a 
different, it's an 

457
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,920
uncontrollable noise that 
they're not controlling. 

458
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,840
Well, it's, it's it's it's 
wildfire in a sense, like it is,

459
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,840
it's spreading uncontrollably 
and without any intent from Gatt

460
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,440
and his team. 
But for whatever reason, and 

461
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,320
this is the this is the magic 
potion that any athlete, any 

462
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,840
singer, any act, anybody who's 
trying to make a name for 

463
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,120
themselves would pay anything to
bottle and to find is that magic

464
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,400
of that. 
He's got it. 

465
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,720
He's got the IT factor. 
Yeah. 

466
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,080
So what do you reckon with 
Lockie then? 

467
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,880
Here? 
What's what Can I ask you this 

468
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,160
as a question? 
I because this is a conversation

469
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:38,080
I've had with a few people, not 
Lucky because I think Lucky is 

470
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,680
clearly an elite town as well. 
But if you're one of these young

471
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,040
other sprinters who's coming 
through in that age bracket of 

472
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,040
Lucky and Gatt right now, are 
you dissuaded? 

473
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,840
Are you, is there a risk of 
becoming disenchanted? 

474
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,400
Is there a level of frustration 
that your career and maybe 

475
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,920
you've got ambitions to go on to
become an Olympic gold medallist

476
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,760
or simply make an Olympic team? 
Is there a level of? 

477
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,840
Frustration in you right now if.
It was me personally, yeah, 

478
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320
yeah, I would that that's my 
personality. 

479
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,280
But what I found interesting was
Lachlan Kennedy. 

480
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,680
There's this, I think it's with 
younger, the younger age groups,

481
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,200
yeah. 
There's a real, you know, like 

482
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,440
friendship or mateship, and I 
think it's real. 

483
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,120
I'm not sure, but you know, that
this whole idea of embracing and

484
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:40,800
not like I, I don't think I 
think there needs to be a bit of

485
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,160
like fight as well. 
Like yes, everyone can get along

486
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,400
and, and, but there's got to be 
a like a hard competitiveness 

487
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,920
there too. 
Otherwise, to a degree, you're 

488
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520
just giving in, You're rolling 
over, you're rolling over. 

489
00:25:53,360 --> 00:26:00,880
So either one, it's not real or 
two, I would be I want to see 

490
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,400
him like light a fire under it. 
Like they're close, right? 

491
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,960
I want to see the fire lit. 
So OK, quickly, I want to go 

492
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
back to Locky V Gout because 
he's going so he'll be for like,

493
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:19,120
I shouldn't say if it was more, 
what's the word combattle combat

494
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,880
combatant. 
So if there was less, if there 

495
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,720
was more animosity between the 
two, correct. 

496
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,320
Suddenly Lachlan Kennedy becomes
a noise because he becomes the 

497
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080
nemesis. 
He becomes the yin to the Yang. 

498
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Yes, at the moment he's a 
sidekick. 

499
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,560
Oh, I like this. 
He needs to become what's what's

500
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,040
a superhero show we can think 
of. 

501
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,320
He needs Lex Luthor to Superman.
It's the Joker to Batman, 

502
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Correct? 
It's correct. 

503
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,400
At the moment, he's Batman and 
Robin. 

504
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,680
This is real. 
When I was asking about would 

505
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,200
you become disenfranchised of 
disheartened, I was more so 

506
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,040
thinking about those athletes 
that are two a second behind 

507
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,400
locking gout. 
Right. 

508
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Let's shelve that. 
Yeah, let's go to this. 

509
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,400
I love this as a conversation. 
Is it beneficial? 

510
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,400
Would it be beneficial for 
either of them to take on a more

511
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,520
combative attitude towards the 
other? 

512
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Yes, Well, no, well, no, it is 
it is too like at the moment you

513
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:30,080
could argue gout Superman and 
oh, whatever the case is, you 

514
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,840
know, he's he's Batman and Robin
because it's obvious. 

515
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,720
It's an obvious he's in the box 
seat. 

516
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,360
I'm just trying to think. 
I'm trying to think. 

517
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,760
I'm not sure what the who's 
Batman's Joker. 

518
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:48,080
So if there was, if, if there 
was a fire between them, he 

519
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,800
becomes part of the conversation
to drive it. 

520
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Danny Green, Anthony Mundine. 
Yes, let's go there. 

521
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Let's use that as our analogy. 
Yeah. 

522
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Because what you had in Danny 
Green and Anthony Mundine were 

523
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:06,760
two world class boxers and their
rivalry with one another sparked

524
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,560
probably the greatest 
Australian, certainly of recent 

525
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,120
times, the modern times. 
Greatest Australian rivalry. 

526
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,560
Yes. 
And they both benefited from it.

527
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240
They both played their role and 
they both benefited and they 

528
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,280
probably both were better boxers
for it. 

529
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,360
Now I yeah, I'm sure that it 
propelled them to achieve their 

530
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,080
or get the most out of 
themselves. 

531
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Does the Australian public want 
to see Gout Gout and Locky 

532
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,680
Kennedy become rivals? 
Or do they want them to remain 

533
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,720
amicable teammates who compete 
in the same sport? 

534
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Depends what part of it depends 
what part of the Australia City 

535
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,720
made, I reckon right question 
because yeah, I mean, I'm 

536
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,960
thinking it from Lachlan Kennedy
because that's the reason 

537
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
brought it up from his point of 
view. 

538
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,680
But I just see, it's just I see 
it more and more often in 

539
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,560
younger in sport these days 
where there seems to be less 

540
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,360
competitors and more mates and 
friends. 

541
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,160
You don't look at the opposition
as a as an enemy and more just 

542
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,560
and look, that's from the 
outside. 

543
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,040
Maybe on the inside there's 
things we're not seeing, but I 

544
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800
can. 
I just know from when I raced, 

545
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,840
you know, there was, you don't 
have to be an absolute, you 

546
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,880
know, prick to people either. 
But there's com competitors. 

547
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560
You don't have to be friends and
sometimes you share the podium. 

548
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000
I know I've seen especially 
older athletes where I'd be 

549
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,120
racing in races and they will 
nearly have punch UPS. 

550
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,120
Really. 
Yeah. 

551
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Have you seen have you seen we 
then have your name? 

552
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Well, there was there was 
definitely. 

553
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440
I mean, we because we had so 
many of the best in the world. 

554
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,480
There was times where, you know,
it was people disliked each 

555
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320
other for, you know, number of 
internal reasons. 

556
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
But do you ever throw one? 
Never. 

557
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,480
No. 
Do you ever got one thrown at 

558
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,040
you? 
I was I'm I would consider 

559
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,800
myself a pretty if I was that 
competitiveness, I'd keep it 

560
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,640
inside right. 
I don't think I was. 

561
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,880
But did anyone ever have anyone 
go everyone go after you or blow

562
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,840
up at you? 
No, not not really. 

563
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,960
It was pro probably prior to my 
time. 

564
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,560
OK, prior to my time, some of 
the, well, we mentioned, not 

565
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080
Brad, Brad Bevan, but his era, 
really. 

566
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,880
And it was probably when, like, 
the sport money, you know, money

567
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
was heavily involved in the 
sport, you know, for your 

568
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,960
survival, you're fighting for 
your living, you're fighting for

569
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,360
your. 
But there was also like, you 

570
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,400
know, not golf money, but good 
money to be one on a weekend. 

571
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,320
So people wanted to win and 
there was hard competition. 

572
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,280
So golf's an interesting 
comparison. 

573
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Yeah. 
Because on the golfing scene 

574
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,400
you're seeing right now, there 
are a lot of golfers who are 

575
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,360
mighty, mighty, very tight. 
Justin Thomas, Tiger Woods. 

576
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,440
Yeah. 
You know there are and then are 

577
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,920
there. 
Are there some that and then 

578
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,480
there are some who like I think 
an example right is Rory McIlroy

579
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000
who just won. 
He finally got the Masters. 

580
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,840
The Masters completes his career
Grand Slam now joins as an 

581
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,240
exclusive club as there is in 
the sport of golf as one of I 

582
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,480
think only five. 
He becomes the 6th golfer I 

583
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,760
think to ever win a Grand Slam 
of all the majors. 

584
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Now he and countrymen, his 
fellow Irishman Shane Lowry are 

585
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,840
as thick as thieves, genuine 
good mates. 

586
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Rory wants to partner. 
It has partnered with him in 

587
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,440
team events before they play on 
the Ryder Cup together, right? 

588
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680
And and Shane was one of the 
first there to congratulate him 

589
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,560
after he wins the Masters. 
But then when he walks, plays 

590
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,680
that final group alongside 
Bryson Deschambo, the American. 

591
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Apparently they did not say a 
word to each other all day and 

592
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,560
that that wasn't from what I 
could see and from what I read 

593
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,320
and heard, is not Bryson's 
choosing. 

594
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,240
That is Rory's choosing. 
Rory created that dynamic in 

595
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,400
that final pairing. 
Rory was the one that drove 

596
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440
that. 
You're not my friend. 

597
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,720
There's nothing polite going on 
here now. 

598
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Also, Bryson's one of the live 
golfers. 

599
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Rory's famously anti the live 
golfers. 

600
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,000
I'm getting a bit niche in golf 
stuff here, but the point is 

601
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,880
Rory has viewed his competitor 
there not as somebody that we 

602
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,000
can have a nice round of golf 
with, but as someone I need to 

603
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,920
beat. 
Yeah, and I'm going to create 

604
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
that environment on our field of
battle, which is the golf 

605
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,920
course. 
I wonder if Gap and Lucky 

606
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,640
achieve greater things if they 
begin to create that environment

607
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,560
on their field of battle, which 
is the running track rather than

608
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760
the mighty Mighty. 
We're all in this together. 

609
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,000
High School Musical vibe. 
I believe so. 

610
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,640
That's that that that's, that's,
that's that's my opinion. 

611
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Even one step further, I reckon.
I wonder in league sport whether

612
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,400
or not sports psychologists have
changed. 

613
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Good. 
Because there's another notion. 

614
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,280
And I can recall this. 
Sports psychologists were part 

615
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,480
of a strategy. 
You know how you, I mean, 

616
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,920
they're there to help you to 
understand, you know, how do I 

617
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,600
take a loss? 
How do I, you know, how do I 

618
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,160
manifest to the next race? 
How do I get back on top of 

619
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,600
this? 
How do I approach a race from a 

620
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,520
mental point of view? 
How do I train my brain? 

621
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,080
So if you think a whole industry
has gone one way and now I'm 

622
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400
going like real generalisation 
here. 

623
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,840
But if in general, our society's
kind of like more lovey dovey 

624
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
everyone get together, you know,
nice. 

625
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,800
Has that affected the kind of 
nature of sports psychologists, 

626
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,480
which is then why this is a 
Longbow, but why we're seeing 

627
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880
not as much competitiveness 
between athletes? 

628
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720
I've got we got to stop because 
I could do another error on this

629
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,640
because now my mom wants to talk
about Michael Jordan, who 

630
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,720
famously was was ruthless to the
point that he would make up 

631
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,520
comments and feuds that his 
opponents had said to he would 

632
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,480
he would fuel his internal fire 
with things he'd invented in his

633
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,480
head that didn't actually happen
because that's how he got the 

634
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,280
best out of himself. 
And I I was in an era where I 

635
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,080
knew athletes 11 athlete very 
like had a, you know, went 

636
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,639
through different phase. 
Chris McCormack went through a 

637
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,800
lot of different phases in 
triathlon and at times 

638
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,040
guaranteed was driven by wanting
to just to destroy other 

639
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,159
athletes destroy and you and you
can see and then and you know, 

640
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,280
to the point of and and not just
him, but this is multiple 

641
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,639
athletes of you know, can't even
be in rooms together at times. 

642
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,719
And then a friend's like, you 
know, like, but that's the 

643
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,159
nature of like, you want to win,
you want to win and then just 

644
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,239
quickly, I know like, I'm sorry.
This is what happens in as a 

645
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,159
sports Nuffy when we get onto 
something like this where they 

646
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,920
just there's all these thoughts 
in my brain, all these examples 

647
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,560
last one I want to throw out on 
the get get lucky Kennedy as 

648
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,840
they currently exist example 
Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal 

649
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
are friends. 
Were they always friends? 

650
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Yeah, from the well, I don't 
know, from the beginning or in 

651
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:19,680
the beginning, but you couldn't 
say their friendship hindered 

652
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,600
either of them going on to 
achieve their greatest 

653
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,880
potential. 
And there was a respect. 

654
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,440
I would, I don't, I don't follow
tennis closely enough. 

655
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,240
But and yet in the in, in the 
early days, I would love to know

656
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,880
what that friendship and 
relationship was. 

657
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,200
And almost saying it was 
wouldn't have been, you know. 

658
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,880
But once they reached that upper
stratosphere, I think it got it 

659
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,360
would have just got, I mean, 
they played so long too, right. 

660
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,560
And you, you know, and the 
nature of who they are. 

661
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,800
But I wonder in the, like, 
earlier days whether it was as 

662
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,440
amicable, amicable and if there 
was a friendship or whether that

663
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,680
grew in time. 
Yeah, that would be a that would

664
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,400
be a good question. 
Oh, this is good. 

665
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Damn it. 
I will. 

666
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,160
I will move you on. 
We could do a whole podcast on 

667
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,800
sporting rivalries and whether 
it made them better or what. 

668
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,560
We'll move you on. 
Picking up on just quickly to 

669
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080
put a bow on that, the moment we
see Lockie Kennedy and Gout Gout

670
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,160
push each other in the chest 
after a finish line, remember 

671
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,320
this podcast? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause they 

672
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600
both broke and tell people about
it. 

673
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,160
OK OK. 
Bit of Chantal. 

674
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,360
Yeah. 
Cashing up on last week. 

675
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,840
Courtney's brought a little box 
onto the table here that was 

676
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880
looking at the episode from last
week and a few people put some 

677
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,440
comments in and talking about 
Oakley and building sunglasses, 

678
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,160
mate that there. 
And for those like I said that 

679
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,960
who you can watch on Spotify. 
We always video these as well. 

680
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000
But I've literally handed Liam. 
What have we got here, mate? 

681
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,840
This is a box of just random 
Oakleys I'd kept from my career,

682
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,000
but they get the coloured ones, 
which would be the things open 

683
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,480
up. 
Just maybe that purple and that.

684
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Now you'll see what I was 
talking about around customised.

685
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Oh, this is a straight up so did
this is they're like speed 

686
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,080
dealers. 
I was gonna say, you didn't race

687
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,000
in these, did you? 
You did you just make these? 

688
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,800
No, I reckon they were an 
Olympic. 

689
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
They would have been an Olympic,
like a one off Olympic. 

690
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Special pair. 
Special pair. 

691
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640
You know, with all the flags, 
all the country flags. 

692
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Yeah, for that one. 
They're cool. 

693
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,160
I mean, like those you put them 
on and I reckon you could go 

694
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,480
down and sell. 
Sell a bag on the corner. 

695
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,760
Yeah. 
You, you, you. 

696
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,840
You'd get arrested quick these 
days, I reckon you're very. 

697
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,080
So you wouldn't have raced in, 
though. 

698
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,080
No, no, no. 
So these ones are these is a 

699
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,200
racing pair. 
Yeah, but that's me here. 

700
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,600
Let's have a look at this. 
Get me some. 

701
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,120
All I'm finding is straight 
black at the moment. 

702
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,920
I'm going to pop these ones on 
so I get a sense of what it 

703
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,720
actually the big Courtney 
Atkinson in a race. 

704
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,880
They're no good either, mate. 
Oh, you said there's. 

705
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,880
Oh, here we go. 
No, that's we're trying to find 

706
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,880
a pair with some flair about. 
There you go. 

707
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,080
That would be oh, bright. 
Oh, I reckon they would have 

708
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,840
been a pair like bright yellow. 
These look like you've stolen 

709
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,200
these off the head of Andrew 
Simons from a World Cup, from a 

710
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,400
one day international World Cup.
Do you know what I've probably 

711
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,400
bright Canary yellow. 
Oh, there we go. 

712
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,800
There's a pair. 
Look at that. 

713
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Oh, here we go. 
Green and gold affair. 

714
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
This isn't so do you reckon this
so they would have been Olympic 

715
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,120
team. 
Yeah, for sure. 

716
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Probably raced in those one of 
the games and it would have 

717
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,240
been, you would have went in and
all the different countries 

718
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,440
would have been able to put 
their different, whatever 

719
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,600
country colours they had on 
there, build that out. 

720
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,880
So what do you reckon of the 
green and gold like that? 

721
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,920
That's we're we're proud racing 
for our country. 

722
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,840
But that's not, it's not a great
colour palette. 

723
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,040
It's not a great colour. 
It's not. 

724
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,920
And I'm not being unpatriotic, 
No, but it's not a great colour.

725
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
If I gave you those sunnies, you
probably wouldn't wear them 

726
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,440
again. 
It's a let's be honest, it is. 

727
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,640
It's a bad colour palette. 
Yeah. 

728
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,000
Like it's not when you compare 
it to, oh, the red, white and 

729
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,840
blue of America and France and 
everyone, oh, French, French are

730
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,400
good, even the UK. 
It's a great colour palette to 

731
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,560
race in. 
But the green and the gold is a 

732
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,240
sharp look. 
Yeah, especially in those 

733
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,120
sunnies. 
But yeah, anyway, there you go. 

734
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Little boxes, anyone who has 
those few people, few, few that 

735
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
were asking about look at these 
what I was talking about last 

736
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600
week. 
I think that's just a, you know,

737
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,120
that's like probably the Lance 
Armstrong era. 

738
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,440
Hold them up to the camera. 
That is like, what do they call 

739
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,840
them, the blades or something? 
That is Lance Armstrong. 

740
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Oh, that is. 
I mean, you just stay there like

741
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,200
that. 
Leave fast. 

742
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,360
I can't see myself, but I feel 
fast. 

743
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,360
I mean, I feel like if I wear 
these sub three out here, we 

744
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,280
can't. 
Oh, you can't see them. 

745
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,600
I can't see myself. 
Courtney, you're making fun of 

746
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,080
me. 
I'm not making fun of you. 

747
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,400
I'm just like when you realise. 
Let me. 

748
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,520
Courtney's taking a photo of me 
wearing glasses. 

749
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Now. 
This is riveting audio stuff. 

750
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Just hang on. 

751
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,360
There you go. 
Ohh, no, they're too small for 

752
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,200
my head. 
No. 

753
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,240
OK, warning to anybody with a 
fat head out there. 

754
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,760
You can't wear the blades. 
So if you're still listening, 

755
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,920
you're still listening. 
After that, some more stuff from

756
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,360
last week. 
Got a message in from Pat 

757
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Dillon. 
Now enjoying the podcast lads, 

758
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,560
think Ben's question on his race
time needs to need to poll. 

759
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,520
So this was around the London 
Landmarks Marathon being short. 

760
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Reckon we're contradicting 
ourselves where if we tell 

761
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,560
people to take the official race
time when it's over your GPS but

762
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,000
not take the time when it's 
under your GPS. 

763
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,520
OK, so if your GPS is long, Yep,
he's kind of going well, you 

764
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,560
should take is that right? 
Surely race time is official 

765
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360
regardless. 
Yeah, well it is. 

766
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,760
That's what I agree. 
So we did a poll and and most 

767
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640
people 65% agree. 
I'm a bit worried down here. 

768
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,600
The 3% who said depends on the 
course sounds like they'll take 

769
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,000
whichever time. 
So in the end, which is faster 

770
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,640
if you if you run a marathon, 
you take the official race time.

771
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,840
You put your faith in the people
running the thing. 65% of those 

772
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:12,640
who chimed in, which was a 
reasonable data set as saying if

773
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,840
we run, I agree, OK, it's your 
race time. 

774
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,960
And you know what, if it isn't, 
that's the race. 

775
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,560
Doesn't matter. 
Fair enough. 

776
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Ryan tags another message got 
sent into the podcast. 

777
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,160
G'day fellas. 
A little late, but I wanted to 

778
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,680
chime in. 
Just listen to episode 20 where 

779
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Courtney, you talk about running
in Japan. 

780
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Coincidentally, I've just found 
myself in the Kyoto area 

781
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,920
tomorrow. 
Courtney, you were saying how 

782
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,680
great the heat maps are on 
Strava. 

783
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,360
And I, like Liam, don't pay, so 
I don't have premium Strava. 

784
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,360
So I had a stalk of your account
to figure out where to run while

785
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,880
having a stalk, I oddly used the
web app. 

786
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,800
I found this web app has free 
heat maps. 

787
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,120
Came for the Kyoto River 
tomorrow. 

788
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Cheers. 
This is huge. 

789
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,480
This is on on your laptop 
version? 

790
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,360
Yeah, you can look at the heat 
maps I've been talking about the

791
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,880
whole time for free. 
I like this. 

792
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,360
It's a loop hack. 
It's a it's a hack. 

793
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,760
It's a loophole. 
So if you don't pay for Strava, 

794
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560
like me and and Ryan here and 
you're on holidays and you wanna

795
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,240
know where to run, you wanna 
find where people run, jump on 

796
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,600
the web version of Strava and 
you should be able to access the

797
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,640
heat maps. 
This is huge. 

798
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Thanks, Ryan. 
And if you work for Strava and 

799
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,920
you try and close this loophole 
after listening to it stuff you,

800
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,920
that's not what we're about 
here. 

801
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,000
What do you mean up to running, 
Liam? 

802
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:35,440
OK, so my for people following 
along with the marathon 

803
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,880
episodes, you know I'm in the 
hands of Bonita. 

804
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,400
I am currently managing A slight
soleus strain, which is not 

805
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,600
great given I've been in the 
programme with Bonita for a 

806
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,600
week. 
Nice. 

807
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,520
You don't know what a soleus is.
So that your muscle is made up 

808
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,360
of your calf muscles made up of 
two muscles, the big one, the 

809
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,840
gastroc, which is the one at the
back, the big chunky thing that 

810
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,400
when you flex that looks 
muscular and impressive, and the

811
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,160
soleus which is kind of the 
little one that runs behind it 

812
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
closer to the bone. 
I was just off the calf, but 

813
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,640
thank you. 
Well, hey, this is how many calf

814
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,400
drawers I had. 
I can now tell you what the calf

815
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,800
is made up of. 
Soleus is the little one. 

816
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Gastric is the big one. 
I have had history with soleus 

817
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,440
issues because I'm a coffee 
runner. 

818
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,200
In fact so much so the physios 
are now describing me that I go 

819
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,760
and see a Gold Coast physio as I
made a booking and Liam my 

820
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,960
physio shared the same name said
to Mark, another guy who I've 

821
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,200
seen previously, Hey Liam has 
made an appointment. 

822
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Mark said what's the problem? 
Liam said don't know, it's 

823
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
probably a calf. 
Mark said I agree, I'm now known

824
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,080
as a coffee runner at the 
physio. 

825
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Fair enough. 
So basically jumped into the 

826
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,600
training session with Benita and
felt fine, aerobically felt 

827
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,160
fine. 
Went for the long run session 

828
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,560
which was meant to be a 25K to 
28K set. 

829
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Ended up pulling the pin at 22. 
Felt the calf sort of just a bit

830
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,520
of like tightness sort of at you
know, 7 O 8K in. 

831
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,960
Pushed on with accelerating the 
pace but found myself not 

832
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,880
wanting to toe strike like I 
normally would instead of kind 

833
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
of drop back to heel striking 
because the calf didn't feel 

834
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,640
great. 
I was meant to accelerate 

835
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,200
quicker than marathon pace and I
just said there's why would I do

836
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,640
this? 
It feels like it's going to 

837
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,720
tear. 
I feel like I'm going to wind 

838
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:26,560
you this badly pulled up and 
then silly a strain right. 

839
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Lessons for me were better to 
stop than push on What? 

840
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Why continue to push on which 
which you're going to have to do

841
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,200
throughout the whole marathon, 
right Yeah, so good. 

842
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,440
So I'm glad because previously I
probably would have tried to 

843
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,520
push through it and I've, and I 
end up tearing it or something. 

844
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,360
So I've pulled it back. 
I'm currently doing a little bit

845
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,600
of rehab work to get it right so
I can pick up the marathon plan 

846
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,200
with Benita from there. 
But yeah, it was frustrating. 

847
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,520
And I think the other lesson 
talking to Benita was that I 

848
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,480
probably wasn't recovered enough
from Kanani. 

849
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,360
The the, you know, the, the one 
week off and then going into a 

850
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,920
marathon programme wasn't enough
time for the legs to recover 

851
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,800
from Kanani. 
You can blame me on that one. 

852
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,080
No, no, no, no, no, no blame, 
Don't blame. 

853
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,520
But that's where I'm at. 
The other lesson, and this is a 

854
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,240
more of a shoe lesson, which 
some people appreciate. 

855
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,400
I am lucky enough, thanks to you
and some other people to have 

856
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:32,840
plenty of shoes in the wardrobe.
But what I didn't have in my 

857
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,840
shoe wardrobe, run in the 
quiver. 

858
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,280
In the quiver is these Adidas 
Boston twelves, which is what I 

859
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,120
ran a lot in last year. 
I really like running in them 

860
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,840
and it's what I ran my half 
marathon PB in last year that 

861
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
you comfort you there. 
I there I love training in them 

862
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,960
because it's not a full carbon 
plate. 

863
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
They've got these carbon rods so
you get that energy return. 

864
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,560
There's a nice bit of foam in 
them. 

865
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,840
So you get more than I do from 
say the ASICS Nova Blast that 

866
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,120
I've run in previously. 
But it's not as taxing as 

867
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,800
running in something that's a 
full carbon plate. 

868
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520
It's a nice in between. 
I had the pair of those I had 

869
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,040
died. 
I was sitting there on my laptop

870
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,560
ready to buy a new pair and 
Alana, my wife said, what are 

871
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,880
you doing? 
I said, I'm just going to buy a 

872
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,880
pair of of my Adidas are dead. 
I need to buy a new pair. 

873
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
And she goes, you're going to 
buy shoes. 

874
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
And I said yeah, and we should 
be got in the last. 

875
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,720
And that's what she said. 
She said, how many shoes do you 

876
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,640
need? 
And what I should have done, and

877
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,840
this is to every runner out 
there who's about to buy 

878
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,520
themselves new shoes, you buy 
those shoes. 

879
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Because what I should have done 
is said to her, yeah, I've got a

880
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,280
lot of shoes in there, but I 
don't have the shoes I need. 

881
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,280
And I feel like it's the people 
who have bikes or golf clubs or 

882
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,680
anything like that. 
This is the rationale they give 

883
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,280
themselves. 
Well, I should have said to my 

884
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,320
wife was, no, but I don't have 
the shoes I need, so I didn't 

885
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,360
buy them. 
And I ended up doing that longer

886
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,120
run in another pair of shoes 
with a full plate, which didn't 

887
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,240
have enough sport and I didn't 
like them and I felt my calves 

888
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,200
felt tight and didn't enjoy 
running in them. 

889
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Instead, I let the guilt get the
better of me. 

890
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,960
Have you spent some dollars now?
I have since gone and purchased 

891
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,800
the new pair of Adidas Boston 
Twelves. 

892
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,560
They're ready to go. 
The quiver has expanded and the 

893
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,920
quiver has expanded. 
I will be back on deck next 

894
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,640
week. 
It's always how many shoes have 

895
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,680
I got plus one. 
It always works, mate. 

896
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,920
That's the bike rule as well. 
That is that. 

897
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,920
Yeah, that is the bike rule. 
I've just brought it over to 

898
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,640
run. 
What about you? 

899
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,000
What's what's can you give me an
update on your on on the injury 

900
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,880
because how long has it been 
since you've been for a run? 

901
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,800
It's what do we ask about 3 1/2 
getting up to four weeks. 

902
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,160
I've been walking around on it 
now. 

903
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,960
Feel like we're asking about 
your sobriety. 

904
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,400
How many days? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

905
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,120
We're getting there. 
Look, I'm not trying to look at 

906
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,600
each way on this obvious. 
It's actually been nice just to 

907
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,840
switch off a little bit, OK, 
It's the longest I haven't run 

908
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,440
since I would have been 15-16 
years old. 

909
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,280
So on one hand it's kind of like
a nice change and I have to 

910
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,720
think about running too much. 
But I'm itching to get back in 

911
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,960
at the same time, probably start
to get in on a, I'll start to 

912
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,480
get on a bike this week. 
I've got to go. 

913
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,320
What I didn't realise is I've 
kind of got a bit of a orange 

914
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,160
light to get back and do some 
light bike spinning on a bike 

915
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,080
even probably maybe get on some 
bit of like weights, not 

916
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,520
heavyweights, but obviously just
start to. 

917
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,120
And then I realise I'm away on 
the road with Subaru for another

918
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,840
week and a half and the only 
thing I probably can do on that 

919
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,720
is run. 
Yeah. 

920
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,800
So I'm kind of half open. 
They go bring your bike and I 

921
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,920
can just spin that around. 
But yeah, that's where I'm. 

922
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,040
But hey, one thing you didn't 
mention. 

923
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
You told me you were telling me 
that story the other night when 

924
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,520
you were watching soccer. 
You're watching soccer down at. 

925
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,360
Didn't tell you this story. 
Yes, this was a cracker of the 

926
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,320
story. 
So I was at Pizzi Park, home of 

927
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,120
the Gold Coast Run Co and I was 
on the my daughter is also a 

928
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,200
part of the belly Bulldog. 
She just sat and started playing

929
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,640
soccer out there and we went out
there to watch the under 20 

930
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,280
threes and the and the open 
men's team that were having a 

931
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,480
game on the night. 
Now the game started, I think 

932
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,760
the under 23 men kicked off at 
about 6:30. 

933
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,760
So by this point it's basically 
too dark to be doing anything 

934
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,720
else on any of the other pitches
and the lights are in effect on 

935
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,240
the main Oval. 
What I noticed is there were two

936
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:32,760
blokes doing a run. 
But once it got dark and we're 

937
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,960
in the clubhouse, we're set up 
every there is a big crowd there

938
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,160
to watch this under 23 sports 
game set it up. 

939
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,960
There's a, there's a clubhouse, 
there's like a mini grandstand 

940
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,760
and then it goes, there's a 
strip of grass before the the 

941
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,680
sideline. 
There's probably a, a A2 metre 

942
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,880
wide stretch between the fence 
of the pitch and the grandstand 

943
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,720
where everybody's standing and 
sitting and mingling around and 

944
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,280
having beers and doing whatever.
There's about A2 metre wide path

945
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,000
through there. 
Yep. 

946
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Most local soccer clubs, these 
two blokes insisted and they 

947
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,200
were running laps, but they 
insisted on running in between 

948
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
along that path while the game's
going, while the game's going 

949
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920
on. 
So not only were they 

950
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,560
interrupting the view, but it 
was just an ink I, my head was 

951
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,120
saying, surely this is 
inconvenient for you as runners 

952
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,520
to be continuously interrupting 
must have been awkward. 

953
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,440
And which is why I think I asked
you the question on either phone

954
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,480
or text message. 
Do you? 

955
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,800
Should runners have to adapt to 
their environment or is it the 

956
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,840
other way around or should the 
environment have to adapt to the

957
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,440
runner? 
So if you're a regular runner of

958
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,640
a certain loop. 
So if they were doing this every

959
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Friday. 
That was a question I think I 

960
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,040
asked yeah. 
Is there a game like is there 

961
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,840
training or a game on every week
there and the game's impeding on

962
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,320
them versus is this a one off? 
I there's so many questions. 

963
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,480
The first question I had, did 
they have shirts on or not? 

964
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,560
One of them had his shirt on. 
OK. 

965
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,920
The other one had his shirt off,
1 was shirt off. 

966
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,680
Jeez. 
I, because I, I, I, I think 

967
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,040
about it because obviously we 
have the path here and I think 

968
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,160
about the 10 in Melbourne, I 
think about all these regular 

969
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,440
running sports. 
But if there's something else 

970
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680
going on because it's not a 
dedicated running track, my 

971
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,120
instinct would be will you move 
as the runner you find somewhere

972
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,960
else to run? 
In this case, I'm 100% like, 

973
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,480
yes, you can run there when 
there's no games, of course, 

974
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,760
when when the club is in 
operation, even if it was 

975
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,560
training when the club's in 
operation and you're you're 

976
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,960
literally a knife between the 
grand, the grandstand and a 

977
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,240
proper game going on. 
Yeah, I don't know what these 

978
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,800
fellas are thinking. 
And the point you can run them 

979
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,920
just around the back of the 
clubhouse or something. 

980
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,400
You know this couldn't see 
anything. 

981
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,960
This was really weird. 
I won't be interested if anyone 

982
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,040
we're not like, what do you 
reckon? 

983
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,200
Is this something you. 
Hey, what would you do if you 

984
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,840
were in this situation? 
Here's the question. 

985
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Send us a message if you run in 
an inconvenient spot, like if 

986
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,400
you regularly interrupt 
something with your running path

987
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,720
and you refuse to change. 
But I'm going to judge you, but 

988
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,240
just curious to know Yeah, like 
imagine if you here's imagine 

989
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,520
for a comparison. 
Southport markets are on right? 

990
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Or Surfers Paradise markets. 
Sorry. 

991
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Oh, that's AI wouldn't run 
through there. 

992
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,120
I don't think you could run 
through there. 

993
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,120
But even if you tried, it'd be a
bit weird. 

994
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,520
But you just but that's the case
if you were running up and the 

995
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,440
surface paradise markets are on 
the Esplanade, yes, you would 

996
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,080
dip out on the road. 
There you go for two seconds. 

997
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Yep, pop back up on the path, 
cool and gather markets down the

998
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,440
South end. 
Same thing if the cooling 

999
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,480
markets are on and they're not 
as crowded, but I would still 

1000
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,560
move this I would run around. 
They need to watch Queensland's 

1001
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:56,160
government's transpose video 
safety videos. 

1002
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,960
They need to be watching running
etiquette. 

1003
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,440
Hey on your talking about you 
you got a little bit of a nickel

1004
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,800
or whatever on the the calf. 
Michael Richardson so Richo N 

1005
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,320
queen it's NQ he's an Angel 
isn't on Instagram writes in a 

1006
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,000
fair bit. 
He's got a his account is full 

1007
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,240
of running memes. 
Yeah, quite, quite talented at 

1008
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,920
knocking them out. 
Hey, say that, Richard. 

1009
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,800
But he said, mate, you've got 
this, Liam, trust me. 

1010
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,400
He's got a message for me. 
He's got a message for you. 

1011
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Yep, You got, you got this, 
Liam. 

1012
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,360
Trust your coach, trust the 
process. 

1013
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,600
And he says, I bet you'll start 
feeling like a machine around 

1014
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,160
week 6 to 8, six to seven. 
All right. 

1015
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,520
Now it got me thinking because I
used to always say when we got 

1016
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,800
back in the run group after, you
know, having a bit of time off 

1017
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,600
and whatever, I always used to 
say week 3 was my week. 

1018
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,960
Like the first three weeks 
getting back was always like, 

1019
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,200
eh, there's if you're right, 
week 3 something would quick. 

1020
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,200
And then three months was like 9
weeks. 

1021
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,520
You're, you feel, you feel rock 
solid. 

1022
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,240
OK, you're on, you're on that, 
that that made me think of that.

1023
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,880
Thank you, Richard. 
Yeah, Richard, share that. 

1024
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,480
We'll leave that 10. 
I've got a bit of audio so I 

1025
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,240
don't have a local race this 
week. 

1026
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,720
No local race shout out, no 
local race shout out, but have a

1027
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,080
listen to this and we'll we'll 
have a chat after. 

1028
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,320
OK, so Renee and I have decided 
that you need a new segment. 

1029
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,080
It is race Reports and we're 
going to give you our very first

1030
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,520
one off the back of the Nike 
Women's Half Marathon or Nike 

1031
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,280
After Dark Tour Half Marathon. 
I'm just walking home from it. 

1032
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,640
So this is coming live. 
Absolutely chef's kiss no notes.

1033
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,880
That was the coolest running 
event I've ever been a part of 

1034
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,080
everything from the pick up of 
bibs, the whole event 

1035
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,320
experience, the medals, they're 
necklaces, they're beautiful. 

1036
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,880
The finish line was incredible 
and and straight into like 

1037
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,600
incredible DJ set gig on for a 
couple of hours off the back of 

1038
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,720
the event. 
The course itself, the Super 

1039
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,800
urban course. 
So you're never gonna hit a 

1040
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,320
massive PB, although Renee did 
huge PB. 

1041
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,200
Good girl. 
But there were just like all of 

1042
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,840
these touch points all over the 
place that just like honestly, 

1043
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,160
Nike, Nike is cool again, if you
want to hit target females aged,

1044
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,560
I don't know, 18 to 30. 
There was 7 1/2 thousand women 

1045
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,760
running and it was the most 
incredible vibe. 

1046
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,320
So chess kiss no notes Nike 
after dark to our race report. 

1047
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,400
Everyone should do it. 
Wow. 

1048
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,880
OK, yeah, so that was Jen Davis 
and Renee from Red Bull got out 

1049
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,920
there down his Sydney, a huge 
event. 

1050
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,840
I love if people want to send 
their race reports after events,

1051
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,520
they do right here for it. 
I think we can be the home of 

1052
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,840
race reports. 
So Yep, if you have, if you go 

1053
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,280
and run a race and want to send 
us your nice contained race 

1054
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,760
report like Jen just did, keep 
it short, keep it sharp, keep it

1055
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,440
to the highlights and then we 
might look to include as many of

1056
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,240
those as we can. 
Nike, well done. 

1057
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,120
Nike's cool again. 
I like that tagline too. 

1058
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,880
Not great again. 
Not great again. 

1059
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,960
Yeah, because they've been 
struggling. 

1060
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,720
But the necklace, I just, I was 
just trying to look at it. 

1061
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,560
Look quickly up for the photo. 
I saw it. 

1062
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,880
It's pretty cool now. 
And because this was the, was it

1063
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,120
the Osaka Women's Marathon that 
used to have this as a for 

1064
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,320
Tiffany, as the Tiffany we 
talked about, we've talked a lot

1065
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,720
about rice souvenirs, mementos 
instead of a medal instead of a 

1066
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,760
medal. 
I love the idea of a necklace. 

1067
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,880
Yeah, I saw a pic picture of it.
It's kind of this is, this is 

1068
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,080
this event that happened in 
Sydney, something of an 

1069
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,520
extension of the event that I 
went to at the Broadwater 

1070
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,760
Parklands there. 
And we, yeah, we talked about 

1071
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,120
that at the time. 
This is I don't want to say it's

1072
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,520
the future of recreational 
running, but it's going to be a 

1073
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,480
fixture because these night time
festival type events is what 

1074
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,480
people want to do. 
Yep, if we haven't, I'll try and

1075
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,880
post some of the pictures. 
But like it looked amazing. 

1076
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,200
The premium 7 1/2 thousand 
females. 

1077
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,840
That's a great turn out. 
That's a that's a great 

1078
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,640
international DJ at the end of 
it. 

1079
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,720
I can't, I didn't know the name,
but it's it's what's made live 

1080
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,400
golf successful in Adelaide too,
is that you're taking a sport 

1081
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,120
that Yep, has it's die hard 
fans, but you're making it 

1082
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,440
accessible to the average person
by by making it cool. 

1083
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,320
Yeah. 
And night time like it was shut 

1084
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Rd shut down. 
So I when I first heard about 

1085
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,240
the event, I was kind of 
thinking it's going to be out at

1086
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Sydney Olympic Park and they 
shut down the Sydney Olympic 

1087
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,080
Park and they do a night time 
half marathon around there and 

1088
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,560
that. 
But it actually, it started out 

1089
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,160
they I think Jen said they went 
out on light rails on the light 

1090
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,080
rail or a bus or train or 
something started. 

1091
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,440
So it was point to point. 
They finished back in around 

1092
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,920
Darling Harbour, somewhere 
there, I believe. 

1093
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,400
I was going to say, where did 
they run it? 

1094
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,680
I'm just having a look again. 
I haven't, I haven't done my 

1095
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,720
research on this one. 
And then, oh, here you go. 

1096
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,280
The After Dark tour is 
officially rolling. 

1097
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,520
Next up. 
I'm just having a look at the 

1098
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Nike runway. 
So they're going Shanghai. 

1099
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,440
Yeah, so great. 
I mean, we're they're nice. 

1100
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,200
We want more of these events 
where they've got nice. 

1101
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,240
Not just a run, but it's a it's 
a festival. 

1102
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,200
I suppose. 
It is a proper festival. 

1103
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,200
Well done. 
Georgia Smith was the DJ for 

1104
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,880
this one. 
Do you know her? 

1105
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Nope. 
I've been told on good authority

1106
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,720
at headline international acts. 
So. 

1107
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,120
OK. 
All right. 

1108
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Samuel Jackson wrote in, Hey, I 
like this one. 

1109
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,240
He's a listener. 
Samuel Jackson. 

1110
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,440
Yeah, we've been going too long 
today, haven't we? 

1111
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,120
Hey, boys. 
Love the pod. 

1112
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,040
I love the pod. 
You boys do. 

1113
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,120
Question. 
Coming into the colder and 

1114
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,720
shorter days. 
Yes, this is happening. 

1115
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Daylight savings has finished. 
Can you guys recommend or maybe 

1116
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,560
tell us up to five headlights or
lights for running? 

1117
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Thanks. 
Great question. 

1118
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,320
I have no idea. 
So I've passed, but I have 

1119
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,520
passed this off to our good 
friend Ando down at Wild Earth, 

1120
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,920
right, Yes. 
And if you need to go and see 

1121
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,480
someone about any of these, this
type of stuff, he's in there 

1122
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,320
with all the equipment. 
He trials it. 

1123
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,600
He knows what he's talking 
about. 

1124
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:18,200
So he said, brother, I recommend
the LED Lenser MH10 Beast, and 

1125
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,160
it's rechargeable. 
Had the old version, the Neo, 

1126
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,320
the Neo Tenor. 
So I had this version too. 

1127
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,400
Yeah, I've got this one, Ken 
vouch for it. 

1128
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,560
Nice and comfortable. 
But if you're looking for 

1129
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,320
something, so that's his 
recommendation. 

1130
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,360
And I have had the older version
of this, so I can say great 

1131
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,120
headlamp. 
Not going to give you 5, five 

1132
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,280
different variances of it. 
But if you're looking for 

1133
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,560
something to wear on the road, 
the black diamonds will do the 

1134
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,320
job. 
So the black diamonds is another

1135
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760
one I got which is just a really
super lightweight. 

1136
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,520
If you're in the trails, it kind
of makes your eyes go a bit 

1137
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,040
funny because it's kind of, I 
think it might be like 300 

1138
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,560
lumens. 
It's not bright enough really to

1139
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,720
see everything so you feel like 
you're running a dust without a 

1140
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,160
headlamp the whole time anyway. 
If you're on the road, use that.

1141
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,000
But he also said if you're 
running on the road, honestly 

1142
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,040
you shouldn't have a headlamp 
on. 

1143
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Just run where there's lights. 
There you go. 

1144
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,240
Good, actually good tip. 
Really good tip. 

1145
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,400
Just go and figure out a spot 
because if you went down near 

1146
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,000
where you are at Kira and you 
ran that path back and forth, 

1147
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Yep, that's all headlamped, 
isn't it? 

1148
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,040
That's all life. 
You could run there anytime, 

1149
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,920
midnight, whatever. 
Yep, same up around surf pretty 

1150
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,000
much anywhere on the Esplanade. 
I could, but I I don't reckon 

1151
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,040
females would feel safe to do it
at the at that time of night. 

1152
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,280
Agreed. 
But then they're also not going 

1153
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,840
to go and wear a headlamp. 
But that's it's not going to 

1154
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,840
make a headlamp's not going to 
make any safer, is it? 

1155
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,160
No, correct. 
Good call on that. 

1156
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,400
So and then he just added on 
another great podcast, podcast 

1157
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280
boys. 
The marathon episodes are great 

1158
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,120
and everyone's got something to 
learn a little bit there. 

1159
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,840
Hey, Liam, see, this is his 
suggestion. 

1160
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,440
Everyone's giving you marathon 
advice, mate. 

1161
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,360
Like I said, guys, you've got a 
coach trust in the captain. 

1162
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,320
But he he said, Liam, see a 
marathon race like a Uno game. 

1163
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,440
Oh, here we go. 
Now he's talking about my coach.

1164
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,520
OK, keep going. 
You're playing against yourself,

1165
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,280
and Benita is giving you the 
cards, right? 

1166
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,200
OK. 
OK. 

1167
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,120
I think I understand. 
OK. 

1168
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Is it what does this? 
Is that the end of it? 

1169
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,320
No, no. 
Well, that's the end of that 

1170
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:20,920
part. 
All right. 

1171
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,400
OK, Now don't save the four, the
carbon shoes to the end game 

1172
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,520
because it won't work. 
I've got it, I've got it. 

1173
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,280
No, he's saying you've got in 
the card set she's given you is 

1174
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,240
all the little bits of advice 
and training. 

1175
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,240
Yeah. 
The plus four card, you know, 

1176
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,000
the draw four. 
Yeah, is a pair of carbon shoes.

1177
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,080
Don't save it. 
OK. 

1178
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,200
OK, I got it. 
I got it. 

1179
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Don't save you draw 4 until the 
end because it won't work. 

1180
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Wear it during during your 
sessions doing a long run with 

1181
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,480
effort where the so where the 
normal shoes for warm up, warm 

1182
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,880
down and use the trial the 
carbon shoes before the 

1183
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,560
marathon. 
So he's saying use the carbon 

1184
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,920
shoes in training. 
Yep, as a draw 4 card. 

1185
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,280
OK, I like the analogy. 
That's good. 

1186
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,200
I mean it would have been better
if you understood it before you 

1187
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,360
without a radiance. 
I was concentrating on headlamps

1188
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,160
and having my having having 
enough information. 

1189
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,720
Can we start talking about 
Sulconi? 

1190
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,120
Because you've been wanting to 
talk about this all episode. 

1191
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,200
We can we, we kind of gave them 
a bit of a not a bad rap, but we

1192
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,800
were kind of saying about one of
the fringe, fringe shoes. 

1193
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:33,600
Everything I'm saying, and this 
post is the same. 2025 is 

1194
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,600
belonging to Ciccone. 
They're winning. 

1195
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,960
They're winning. 
This is the runner alerts is 

1196
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,920
always a great a great site to 
follow on all this kind of yeah,

1197
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,240
yeah, yeah, all this new stuff 
coming out. 

1198
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,960
But this isn't just on there. 
I've seen this has been said 

1199
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,800
even the I've been seeing lately
the Australian version of the 

1200
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,640
Zaccone site. 
They're doing great things. 

1201
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,440
They're saying disruptive, so 
social activations, cool 

1202
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,720
product. 
The brand team are right on. 

1203
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,000
You know, they're in that style 
I talked about where you start 

1204
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,200
saying it's all the same dark, 
low, low shutter rate, kind of, 

1205
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,200
you know, stutter in their 
images and all of that. 

1206
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,480
So they're on brand for that 
kind of cool something. 

1207
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,520
But what they're doing, they're 
also, and this was my throwback 

1208
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,680
to your jacket. 
They're living in the past. 

1209
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,080
They're doing a lot of their 
vintage gear. 

1210
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,040
And I can recall having this 
Zirconi, exactly that top you're

1211
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,400
wearing today with like the old 
branding of it and it was like a

1212
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,600
sky blue, sky blue and white. 
It was something like you'd wear

1213
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,360
to, you know, school gym. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1214
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,040
And they're bringing all that 
back as well. 

1215
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,000
So and the last thing of this is
they're showing up correctly. 

1216
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,720
So they're not only talking 
about that new on trend young 

1217
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,440
run club stuff, they're also 
talking to, you know, the older 

1218
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,160
crew who remember them back in 
the day, vintage and everything 

1219
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,520
else. 
So it's working for all and they

1220
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,360
seem to be doing great stuff. 
I'm just doing a bit of a like 

1221
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,920
because I don't know much about 
them. 

1222
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,680
Saucony, is it not Saucony like 
the Aussies will pronounce it? 

1223
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,120
I'm just looking on literally 
looking on Wikipedia, American 

1224
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,360
brand founded in 1898, so 
they're over 100 years old. 

1225
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,440
Jeez, Saucony. 
All right, so well done to them.

1226
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,880
Ed Goddard, they've got running 
for. 

1227
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,480
Why does that name bring it ring
a bell? 

1228
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,640
Oh, he I think I'm pretty sure 
he's one like city to see 

1229
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,320
probably something yeah, around 
city to surf. 

1230
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,360
I'm pretty sure he's run one or 
been up there around that place.

1231
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,360
But he's doing all of their, all
of their kind of like not 

1232
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,920
filming the content, but he's 
obviously got someone doing that

1233
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,480
for him. 
And yeah, they're doing great 

1234
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,760
stuff. 
So that's get around them. 

1235
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,320
The other one, just keeping on 
shoes for a little bit, The 

1236
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,800
European half marathon 
championships, our old friend 

1237
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,320
the Kip Run, Remember the 
decathlon white goods shoe? 

1238
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,640
We'll talk about carbon plated 
decathlon shoe. 

1239
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,840
Yes, the Kip run, we were saying
like it could be an IP 

1240
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:53,920
infringement. 
It won the race, so European 

1241
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,360
half marathon championships. 
First from France was Jimmy 

1242
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,400
Gracia in the keep run. 
Now decathlon being a French 

1243
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,720
brand, that makes a little bit 
of sense, but he's won it in 

1244
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,520
5944. 
So they go all right, that is 

1245
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,320
interesting. 
Alpha Fly with a Norwegian 

1246
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,880
runner in second and then the on
cloud boom Strike with another 

1247
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,520
French runner. 
Valentin came third. 

1248
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,640
So there you go. 
There's a bit of a mix up double

1249
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,520
podium appearance. 
Well, not one, no, no, no, 

1250
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,600
sorry. 
One on on with the other ones. 

1251
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,200
So there's a new star, you know,
the new kids on the block with 

1252
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,360
with an alpha flight smack bang 
in the middle. 

1253
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,160
So new shoe making noise. 
You talk about what's going on 

1254
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,240
in shoes. 
There's a lot of choice out 

1255
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,160
there at the moment. 
Someone will win a race in one 

1256
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,240
of those God awful Chinese ones.
You may be running soon enough. 

1257
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,200
Well, someone went to race in 
those bloody sandals with a 

1258
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,960
carbon blade, so, you know. 
All right, nice one. 

1259
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,680
Hey, make sure you're tuning in 
to the midweek marathon run 

1260
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,600
episodes if you haven't already.
We got more stuff coming on. 

1261
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,680
We'll have the latest from 
Benita and Bronte and everyone 

1262
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,440
on how they're travelling. 
But also, the thing we'll say is

1263
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,920
if you're running the Goldie 
Marathon, make sure you're 

1264
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,520
listening. 
If you know someone who's 

1265
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,480
running the Goldie Marathon for 
the first time, get them 

1266
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,720
involved with the podcast 
because now's the time. 

1267
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,040
Even if they're not interested 
in these longer chats that 

1268
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,160
Courtney and I have one on one, 
the midweek stuff with Benita 

1269
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,680
and Bronte and how that we're 
leading into the Golden 

1270
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,640
Marathon, they'll get something 
out of it. 

1271
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,760
There's a lot to get out of it. 
Now's a good time to get 

1272
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,360
involved with the podcast. 
If you know someone who's just 

1273
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,600
starting out on running or is 
targeting the marathon for the 

1274
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,640
first time, now's the time to 
get involved. 

1275
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,000
Yep, Go and hit subscribe and 
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