1
00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,720
In the beginning episode 7, we 
are back once again. 

2
00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,360
Courtney, how you travelling? 
Wait, another week comes around 

3
00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,280
quick doesn't. 
It flies around, comes, really 

4
00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,200
does. 
Election on the weekend, Big 

5
00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,480
queen Queensland story, you 
know. 

6
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,200
A political Let's just go 
straight to the beginning 

7
00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,880
podcast. 
Who did you vote for? 

8
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,200
No, I was actually. 
I was almost running around too.

9
00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,320
Election polling booths because 
of the the radio show that I do,

10
00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,760
Triple M's rush hour. 
We'd made a special sauce. 

11
00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,120
I saw that. 
For all the democracy sausage 

12
00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,080
sizzles that were taking place, 
disappointingly we discovered 

13
00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,080
that I think democracy sausage 
sizzle is is dying out. 

14
00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,880
Just like the Bunnings. 
Cause more people pre voting. 

15
00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,400
I think it was like something 
like a third of the people in 

16
00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,920
this Queensland election pre 
voted. 

17
00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,000
Yeah, well. 
When they send you and they you 

18
00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,520
get in the mail literally like 
hey, you don't have to go down. 

19
00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,600
Here's the form. 
Be honest as a as a celebrity, 

20
00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,120
as an Olympic. 
Celebrity. 

21
00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,320
That's who's a big stretch 2. 
Time Olympic athletic stretch 

22
00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,640
who is noticeable and comes with
a level of fame. 

23
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,800
Do you post a vote? 
I post a vote. 

24
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,440
Of course you don't I. 
Do 'cause I was in amber on the 

25
00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,400
weekend, I was in New South 
Wales, I was in NSW, how could I

26
00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,320
vote for that one? 
But. 

27
00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,960
The big, the big news around the
space, why I brought up the 

28
00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,920
election so fast was, you know, 
with Brisbane 302032 very close 

29
00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,080
now you know, some ramifications
from this election. 

30
00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,600
We're stadium stadiums. 
That's the one we want to talk 

31
00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,200
about. 
It's good news, I think. 

32
00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:39,040
I could not be happier. 
Look the way I don't care what 

33
00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,400
the 100 day review looks like. 
I don't care and I understand in

34
00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,600
Queensland as a state right now,
there are cost of living 

35
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520
pressures and there are big 
issues that are more important 

36
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,120
than sport, more important than 
the Olympic. 

37
00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,800
Go and listen to those on a non 
sporting podcast. 

38
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,760
We're all about the Olympics. 
We care about the Olympics, we 

39
00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,600
care about sport. 
The thought that Brisbane might 

40
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,280
have hosted these games at 
Cusack, which is the old 

41
00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,639
athletics track up there, which 
backs onto a cemetery, which has

42
00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,360
nothing around it, which public 
transport wise does it, nothing 

43
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,880
goes there. 
I think it was in 1982 

44
00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,720
Commonwealth Games stadium. 
I, I think that's how old it is.

45
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,760
Don't I mean it's hopefully I'm 
right on that and I. 

46
00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,280
Get the budgetary like situation
that the state is in again, go 

47
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,680
and listen to those on another 
podcast. 

48
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,280
This is an opportunity for 
Brisbane as a city, for 

49
00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,320
southeast Queensland as a 
region, to show off to the world

50
00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,200
and holding it at an outdated, 
desperately in need of 

51
00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,880
renovation, stadium in the 
middle of nowhere, not close to 

52
00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,880
any of the other good parts of 
the city, is not showing off. 

53
00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,240
It is depressing. 
So I am thrilled that it looks 

54
00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,840
as though the new government has
plans in place to either 

55
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,680
redevelop the Gabba or build 
something new. 

56
00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,480
Victoria Park? 
Are you Pro? 

57
00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,640
Pro? 
Victoria Park. 

58
00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,080
Yes, I am, if that because the 
others, the other talking point 

59
00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,680
I'd heard about it was building 
it on the north side of the 

60
00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960
river. 
You know, where Eight Street is?

61
00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,120
Yes. 
Yeah, down more near the Gateway

62
00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,640
bridge, Yeah, talking about. 
Reclaiming some of the river and

63
00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,400
building something on the water 
there, which I don't mind 

64
00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,800
either. 
The thing I love about Vicky 

65
00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,640
Park, and this is coming from 
someone who's from Adelaide and 

66
00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:27,680
has seen what Adelaide Oval, 
that being turned into sort of 

67
00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,880
the centre of the town with both
football teams playing out of 

68
00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,320
there now and the, and the Big 
Bash teams and test screen all. 

69
00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,120
It has brought new life to the 
city of Adelaide and it has made

70
00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,800
the CBD the after party for 
these football games. 

71
00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,200
You know, whether it's a an 
afternoon game or it's a night 

72
00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,120
time game or a twilight game or 
whatever, people flood from the 

73
00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,480
ground into the CBD and that has
given life to this incredible 

74
00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,760
small bar scene, small pub 
scene. 

75
00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,200
It's just it has brought life to
the businesses within the CBD. 

76
00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,680
That's why I think Vicki Park 
would be my preference because 

77
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,680
of the proximity to Brisbane 
city. 

78
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,320
And then you see the benefits 
flow on, you know, this is a a 

79
00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,800
town which is currently just in 
former Powderfinger member. 

80
00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,480
I've forgotten his name but he's
just been installed as the night

81
00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,480
time boss like the new Minister 
for night. 

82
00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,120
Time of year, party man, but 
he's. 

83
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,640
Coming. 
But that's the true his job, his

84
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:28,800
remit is to bring the nightlife 
of Brisbane back and if you 

85
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,080
build a great big stadium, state
of the art modern stadium in 

86
00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,320
Vicky Park, that'll help. 
Yeah, I think, I think Victoria 

87
00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,520
Park, you know, I'm not 
obviously don't know Brisbane 

88
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,240
all that well. 
But from the times I've been 

89
00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,160
there, the thing I like about 
it, it's got space. 

90
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,960
So you can create it from 
scratch, right? 

91
00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,280
You don't have all the 
infrastructure problems around 

92
00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:50,320
it. 
You don't have to have worry. 

93
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,800
You can build it how you want 
it. 

94
00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,800
And you know, you know, when you
see some of the legacy of the 

95
00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,600
Olympic stadiums around the 
world, the ones that have kind 

96
00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,040
of had enough space to be able 
to create that land are the ones

97
00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,840
that like last and give good 
legacy. 

98
00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,360
If you can do that in the middle
of a city, well, you're winning 

99
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,240
on all fronts. 
Aren't? 

100
00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,920
You and I not to, to get bogged,
bogged in at all. 

101
00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,520
But the other thing about the 
stadium is we know that Cricket 

102
00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,320
Australia's already made it 
clear that the Gabba isn't great

103
00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,720
as a cricket stadium anymore, 
right? 

104
00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,080
Because the, I think it's next 
year when the Ashes come to town

105
00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,640
for the first time in like 40 
plus years, those Ashes are not 

106
00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,600
starting at Brisbane. 
The Gabba is normally the kick 

107
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,400
off venue for the Ashes series 
and now it's starting in Perth 

108
00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,280
instead. 
And that is a direct message 

109
00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,000
from Cricket Australia to the 
Queensland State government to 

110
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,640
say Gabba's not up to scratch 
anymore, right? 

111
00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,840
It's not Cricket Australia's 
fault that is the Queensland 

112
00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:48,960
government's fault that that 
Queensland cricket is sliding 

113
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,320
down the pecking order, right? 
The Brisbane Lions just won the 

114
00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,680
premiership that ground. 
It's OK now. 

115
00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,120
But it is, it is not. 
There is genuine issues with the

116
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,280
Gabba that need to be fixed. 
Knock it down, build some 

117
00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:09,240
apartments so that you alleviate
some of the housing pressure 

118
00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,840
and, you know, build something 
that Taylor Swift will come to 

119
00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,160
town for. 
Don't know if the lines will be 

120
00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,960
too. 
I reckon they won a few more 

121
00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,240
years runs at the Gabba with 
their home with their home 

122
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,920
advantage there at the moment. 
But I agree mate, we'll run for 

123
00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,360
council. 
That's the next thing on your 

124
00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,080
well. 
Look, we can, we can run for 

125
00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,120
council, literally run for those
like that's, that's the just 

126
00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,720
quickly, because you've been to 
2 Olympic Games. 

127
00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,120
How important is that? 
Is that key? 

128
00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,960
And I know you didn't. 
On neither occasion did you race

129
00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,920
in the stadium because you're 
obviously on the triathlon. 

130
00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,200
Oh, we went to the stadium, but 
you went to the stadium closing.

131
00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,240
Closing How important was it? 
Well, like, how, how memorable 

132
00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,240
was it? 
More to the point. 

133
00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,680
Not that memorable. 
Really. 

134
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,440
No, I mean, because you're 
invasive. 

135
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,120
Because. 
Yeah, we. 

136
00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,480
We. 
When you're not around and we 

137
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,640
literally just get bussed in to 
the stadium for the closing 

138
00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,680
ceremony, you quickly duck under
the, you know, the grandstand 

139
00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200
and suddenly you're in the 
middle of the stadium parties 

140
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,680
going on music, everything else.
And at London, I went to the 

141
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,880
opening ceremony. 
So I literally, this is how 

142
00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,560
crazy the Olympics can be for 
some sports. 

143
00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,120
So my first experience in 
Beijing, I was at home here in 

144
00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,320
Australia, still training for 
the first two weeks of the 

145
00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,280
Olympics. 
So I literally watched it on TV 

146
00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,600
just like any other person, you 
know, didn't even want some part

147
00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,240
of it really. 
And then suddenly I jumped on a 

148
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,760
plane. 
Three days later I'm out in the 

149
00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,000
country of Beijing and the 
countryside and I'm racing the 

150
00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,360
Olympic triathlon. 
So you only spent three days? 

151
00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,200
Three days before. 
Actually I think it was two days

152
00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240
before. 
You had what, 3 sleep? 

153
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,680
Let's call in country before 
your race for the Olympics. 

154
00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,000
Yeah, in a house outside of 
Beijing close to where we were 

155
00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,240
racing. 
And then we had I think two or 

156
00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,000
three days, maybe 2 days in the 
closing ceremony after that to 

157
00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,480
go into the village and check it
out and sleep. 

158
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,400
So you asked me what the stadium
meant to me. 

159
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840
Well, in triathlon really didn't
get to see it. 

160
00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,240
What? 
About London was London. 

161
00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,240
So London, different, different 
experience. 

162
00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,000
I, we'd always base ourselves in
kind of down in the, I suppose 

163
00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,040
South of France to train during 
the year. 

164
00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,120
So we had a good base that was 
only an hour flight into London 

165
00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,560
City Airport and I was the only 
one in the team of 6 who went. 

166
00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,960
I don't care. 
I'm going to the opening 

167
00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,840
ceremony this time because I 
might never get another chance 

168
00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,680
and I want to experience. 
So I flew in for one night to go

169
00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,800
to the opening ceremony and then
flew back out and spent the next

170
00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,640
two weeks in France and then 
flew back into race in the 

171
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,080
middle of London and. 
Are you glad you did it for the 

172
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,039
opening? 
Ceremony 100% because I never 

173
00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,000
got back there. 
So it worked. 

174
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,880
It worked. 
But you know, that was so that 

175
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,320
was when you asked about 
stadiums. 

176
00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,240
That was an experience and that 
when you look back at everything

177
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,520
and the results and everything 
else, I think that opening 

178
00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280
ceremony is probably the most, 
one of the most important things

179
00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,640
you can do at the Olympic Games 
if if you can get there. 

180
00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,680
So, but I mean, the Olympics at 
the moment, you know, it's even 

181
00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,240
since I was there for those few 
times, it's changed so much. 

182
00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,720
I mean the the face of the 
Olympics at the moment with, you

183
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,760
know, their desire to attract 
youth with the introduction of 

184
00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,880
the new sports sports. 
Climbing and break dancing and. 

185
00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,800
Yeah, everything that's going on
at the Games, all these action 

186
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,120
sports coming in, you know, the 
Olympics was once for the 

187
00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,160
traditions and I suppose I talk 
about it from the middle place 

188
00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:30,880
because triathlon back when we 
had a 2000, we were that new 

189
00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,920
action sport, I suppose at the 
time coming in as a new sport 

190
00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,800
probably took a medal off 
another sport. 

191
00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,800
I'm not sure. 
But you know, we were probably 

192
00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,840
the sport that people of like 
pointing the finger at going, 

193
00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,200
you know, you don't deserve to 
be around here or whatever, you 

194
00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,320
know, 5 or 6 Olympics later, you
know, you're, you're one of the 

195
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,520
mainstream sports of the 
Olympics in the sport of 

196
00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,240
triathlon. 
And now you've got, you know, 

197
00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,120
the BMX and the skating and 
everything else coming in. 

198
00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,680
What's your thoughts? 
Do you like where the Olympics 

199
00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,240
is going all? 
Right, let's get into this. 

200
00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:09,600
I am concerned about what the 
Olympics are now compared to 

201
00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,080
what they were in my prime 
viewing days. 

202
00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,960
Like, you know, I'm talking 
probably not even Sydney because

203
00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,720
in Sydney I was when when the 
Sydney Olympics on what was 

204
00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,120
I-16. 
Yeah, right. 

205
00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,120
And I don't know if I was super 
invested in the Olympic Games at

206
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,000
16. 
So what did you watch? 

207
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,320
What were they say? 
Key events? 

208
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:26,640
You. 
Look, watch. 

209
00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,160
I remember Kathy. 
I remember Kathy. 

210
00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,080
I remember the swimming well, 
because that was the Thorpey 

211
00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,360
smashed the guitars relay swim. 
I remember those big moments and

212
00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,000
I think I I remember Natalie 
cooking Harry Potter. 

213
00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,440
Yeah, in the beach volleyball. 
Still one of the. 

214
00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,960
What a legacy. 
They've had still one of the 

215
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,640
great overshadowed moments 
because they were the talk of 

216
00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,240
the town. 
I spoke with Natalie Cook about 

217
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,720
this for about two hours because
two hours later Kathy won the 

218
00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,600
gold. 
So they won gold on Bondi Beach 

219
00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,480
at the home Olympic Games. 
What an iconic spot. 

220
00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,760
What an iconic moment. 
And then Kathy goes out and 

221
00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,920
delivers the greatest moment in 
Australian Olympic theory. 

222
00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,960
So it's it is that little part 
about you think if they done it 

223
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,600
maybe two days prior, they have 
a little bit more time in the 

224
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,720
sunshine, but it is what it is. 
Well, this. 

225
00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,480
Is part of what I what what it's
not so much a concern, but you 

226
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,760
know, if I looked at what I 
would do if I was like the 

227
00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,840
Olympics, because I think it's 
saturated. 

228
00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,800
I think the Olympics has got 
saturated not by just the number

229
00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,960
of sports that are coming in. 
Because I actually agree with, 

230
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,800
you know, you need to bring in 
new sports to, you know, keep 

231
00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,800
the youth watching and whatever 
is of interest to youth to go 

232
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,040
out and play and do and they 
want to emulate that those 

233
00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,280
athletes. 
That's great. 

234
00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:44,920
But with that, I think it's just
become it's just way too much. 

235
00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,160
And then you've got the 
additions now of you've got, you

236
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400
know, multiple relays entering 
it, sports pushing for more 

237
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,040
medals. 
The swimming mixed relays. 

238
00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,400
Swimming, running, mixed relays,
triathlon, mixed relays, yeah, 

239
00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,880
Which again, I think is a great 
thing, but it's coming at the 

240
00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,000
detriment of just becoming too 
many medals. 

241
00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,240
So you you said to me, I 
remember from Sydney Olympics 

242
00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,840
these few key heroes from 
events, medal moments, like big 

243
00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,040
events. 
I think what's happening now is 

244
00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,280
it's they're not bringing in a 
medal and taking a medal away 

245
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,000
from somewhere else. 
So we've only got the same 

246
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,920
number of events to watch. 
They're just for TV time. 

247
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,840
I'm assuming they're just adding
more and more and more events 

248
00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,160
into it. 
My question is always like, is 

249
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,240
that fair on the athletes? 
Yes, it allows more athletes to 

250
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,320
win more medals, but they're not
necessarily bringing in more 

251
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,680
athletes to the Olympics. 
So a lot of these multiple 

252
00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,160
events they're doing, it's just 
offering more medals to more 

253
00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,640
athletes, which is why I say 
it's saturated. 

254
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,480
So does that make sense? 
Yeah, you know, it really does. 

255
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520
So you're. 
So if, let's say, if I appointed

256
00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,600
Courtney Atkinson to the 
Brisbane 2030 Olympic Organising

257
00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,360
Committee, would you go? 
Or Glasgow 2026 on it because if

258
00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,960
you might have, people might 
have seen this, but basically 

259
00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,560
Glasgow who saved the 
Commonwealth Games because Dan 

260
00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,200
Andrews and the state of 
Victoria couldn't be bothered 

261
00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,640
putting it together. 
Glasgow stepped in and is 

262
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,120
hosting these games but they 
have just gone through the 

263
00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,720
running order and cut 10 sports 
I think, from the roster. 

264
00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,200
Is that what you would do in 
Brisbane? 

265
00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,560
Wouldn't necess, I wouldn't 
necessarily cut sports, but I'm 

266
00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:31,120
a believer in, you know, if you 
want to create like from an 

267
00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,720
event, if you want to create 
heroes, there's only a certain 

268
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,480
number of heroes people can can 
digest, literally digest. 

269
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,960
Like you see that at the games 
where you know, one day, you 

270
00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,000
know, we had like say I win the 
BMX gold medal one day. 

271
00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,840
You're right. 
Within a few hours, something 

272
00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,920
else happened, something else 
happened. 

273
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,040
It's just continual. 
We don't really get to celebrate

274
00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,880
those true individual kind of 
performances. 

275
00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,880
I think what as well as we 
should. 

276
00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,920
Yeah, so sort of some addition 
by subtraction. 

277
00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,760
Addition by subtraction. 
Yeah, I think, you know, you can

278
00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,080
even argue for the old, you 
know, the traditional sports 

279
00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,280
like your swimmings and your 
athletics, they should be the 

280
00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,160
bread and butter. 
They should always exist because

281
00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,680
that's what Olympics is based 
on, you know, by a faster, 

282
00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,880
stronger, that whole notion. 
However, even then you start to 

283
00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000
question with the number of 
events over time they're adding,

284
00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,720
you know, take just, let's just 
take swimming because it's an 

285
00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,880
easy discussion. 
But running would be the same 

286
00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,760
thing. 
You know, there's so many 

287
00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,480
multiple events in, in swimming 
and running now that you know, 

288
00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,680
as you, you can race the 50 
freestyle, 100 freestyle this. 

289
00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,440
And then now, now they've got 
the relays, 100 relays, the 200 

290
00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,120
relays, the mixed relays, you 
know, more and more events. 

291
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,240
Now I come from the BA, the 
bases of an individual sport 

292
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,280
where in triathlon, one medal, 
one medal, fast, 1 gold medal 

293
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,080
and I'd be, you know, there's 
some arguments to say bring in 

294
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,000
Iron Man triathlons, Sprint 
triathlons and everything else. 

295
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,360
I think it's perfect the way it 
is. 

296
00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,760
It creates one hero every four 
years. 

297
00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,080
What do you think of the idea 
that's been floated about for 

298
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,120
the Brisbane 22 games of Surf 
Life Saving? 

299
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,040
Introduced as one of those you 
know, home team, hometown pick 

300
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,760
sport. 
It's an interesting one. 

301
00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,600
I mean, I think I like when 
countries bring their own 

302
00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,000
flavour to those sports. 
They get to choose football. 

303
00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,560
Is coming in in 20 in LA for LA.
Yeah, so you, it's the country's

304
00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,040
right. 
And I think it should be a bit 

305
00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,920
of a competitive advantage too. 
So Surf life saving does make a 

306
00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,080
bit of sense because yeah, look,
the reality is probably only 

307
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,720
really a few countries that do 
it properly. 

308
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,440
Australia is the best editor, of
course. 

309
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,640
We've got the most beaches, 
we've got the most competitive 

310
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,880
landscape, so we're going to 
win. 

311
00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,480
We're gonna win. 
We're gonna win golf. 

312
00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,200
So I'd do it from a competitive 
point of view if I was that. 

313
00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080
Is it for the Games? 
Is it the fair, fair sport for 

314
00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,000
the Games? 
Probably not. 

315
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,120
We're not. 
Probably not. 

316
00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,600
Probably not. 
It's, I mean, I looking at going

317
00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,120
back to what you were saying 
about running and and swimming 

318
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,640
and the various events. 
David Rhodes, who's a former 

319
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,000
Olympian, I think he went to 
Beijing for kayaking 

320
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,480
potentially. 
He has made the joke. 

321
00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,880
And I'm aware this, I work on a 
radio show with Liesel Jones, 

322
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,800
who's the greatest ever 
breaststroke of this country's 

323
00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,920
ever produced. 
But David Rhodes made the joke 

324
00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,440
to me. 
He's only in swimming. 

325
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,480
Do we create three other strokes
for people that weren't the 

326
00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,160
fastest in the fastest stroke. 
Freestyle's the fastest, right? 

327
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,880
And yet we've created three 
other strokes. 

328
00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,480
In three other distances. 
And, and however many distances 

329
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,720
for these people to swim like, 
you know, they don't have in, in

330
00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,720
sprinting, there's the 100 
metres, they don't have the 100 

331
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,960
metre hop, they don't have the 
100 metre skip. 

332
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,800
It's just who gets their fastest
in the 100 metres. 

333
00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,880
Swim however you want or run 
however you want, but whoever 

334
00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,200
gets their fastest wins. 
And yet in swimming, there's 

335
00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,960
this whole is it's an industry. 
So now there's a question does 

336
00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,800
is the 100 metre freestyle 
swimming winner, is that harder 

337
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,920
to win than the 200 metre 
butterflyer? 

338
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280
I don't know. 
I would guess the 100 metre 

339
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,319
freestyle is harder to win. 
I would say, well, let me 

340
00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,359
rephrase that. 
I think any Olympic race is hard

341
00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,000
to win. 
I think the 100 metre freestyle 

342
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,240
should be the more prestigious 
race to win. 

343
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,640
I'll say that Yep, because I 
reckon getting to the Olympic 

344
00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,640
Games tip your cap to anybody. 
Well, coming from two people 

345
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,920
who've never won an Olympic gold
medal. 

346
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,440
Well, coming from someone who's 
never, never competed in Olympic

347
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,520
Games, but I have played 
international cricket for 

348
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,600
Vanuatu. 
Just saying. 

349
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,600
So, you know, we've always. 
We've always. 

350
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,320
You're in, you've got, you've 
got your caps. 

351
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,720
We've all represented countries,
right? 

352
00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,960
Well. 
I like that. 

353
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,720
I like that idea where you say. 
So how may I look at it this way

354
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,480
a little bit differently? 
And this will take away from my 

355
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,240
sport, particularly that I went 
to the Games for, but how many 

356
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,680
kids have the opportunity or how
many people in the world have 

357
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,960
the opportunity to run 100 
metres in their life? 

358
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:02,800
Anybody. 
Well. 

359
00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,440
Anybody can save, you know, 
someone born without the ability

360
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,800
to run. 
And, and at some point in your 

361
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,680
life, you would have been 
through that exercise of go to 

362
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,120
school, majority countries 
around the world and run. 

363
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,640
So you'll know if someone's a 
good sprinter or not a good 

364
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,960
sprinter once you start to get 
into more the niche sports or 

365
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,560
the sports that need money to 
actually participate in them, 

366
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,000
whether that's, you know, you 
like any of like, you know, the 

367
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,080
skill based sports like shooting
archery, like it's not that 

368
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,640
neither is good, you know, 
better or worse equestrian. 

369
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,640
I mean a lot, a lot a shit load 
of money to do that one. 

370
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,120
Hey, it's coming from a real 
small. 

371
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,520
But then you could actually 
argue how many people ride 

372
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,000
horses around the world to have 
the opportunity to to learn that

373
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,240
skill. 
I would actually argue that more

374
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,440
people ride horses and have an 
opportunity to, you know, with, 

375
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,800
you know, we're talking globally
here, you know, even some of 

376
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,640
those niche sports. 
Well, I'm look, I'm not going to

377
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,120
I'm not going to try and take 
the shine off one of our golden 

378
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,720
girls from the most recent 
Olympic Games. 

379
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,320
But when you talk about niche 
sports paddling Jess Fox, what 

380
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,840
No, Naomi and Jess Fox did, and 
I think Jess Fox was the is the 

381
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,600
golden girl from the games. 
Probably she and Ariana Titmus 

382
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,760
walk away as the golden Molly 
o'callaghant walk away as the 

383
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160
Kelly McEwan as well. 
The swimmers were awesome, 

384
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,840
right? 
The the female swimmers were 

385
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960
unbelievable. 
They walk away as The Golden 

386
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,560
Girls of those at the Paris 
Olympics from me. 

387
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,520
You forgot Jess Hull. 
Well, but I don't think Jess 

388
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600
Hull walks away as a golden girl
because she didn't win gold for 

389
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,520
a start, and because that I've 
discussed this previously, I 

390
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,040
think it's an uncelebrated 
medal. 

391
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,120
But Jess Fox and the swimmers, 
they're The Golden Girls from 

392
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,280
those games. 
And yet Jess Fox's sport is an 

393
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,160
incredibly national. 
Incredibly national. 

394
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,640
Slalom kayaking, like I think 
there's only one venue in 

395
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,680
Australia in Penrith. 
Which which exists because of 

396
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,080
Sydney, because I had to mother,
I had to build one. 

397
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,960
Yeah, super niche. 
You've probably got to live in 

398
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,920
Penrith, I assume #1 and I'm 
tipping, you know, in certain 

399
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,320
places around the world, I'm 
sure there's, there's more 

400
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,680
paddlers. 
But yeah, I mean, and then what?

401
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,160
They've got 3 events now. 
Yes. 

402
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,600
They just added, added and added
the action event. 

403
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,680
Over the Gladiator version. 
Of it, yeah, they've added the 

404
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,280
action event where they race. 
Each other, you know. 

405
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,480
So 3 medals in in you know that 
sport verse. 

406
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,400
Well, in Rd Cycling 1. 
Well time trial Rd cycling you 

407
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,560
could argue you do, but the very
specialist events. 

408
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,320
You know they've taken that out 
of the Commonwealth game. 

409
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,200
What's that one Rd Cycling and 
mountain biking. 

410
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,360
It's gone. 
Oh wow, from the COM games. 

411
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,440
That's interesting. 
Why would you take a cling out? 

412
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,160
I don't know. 
It's probably the biggest, you 

413
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,320
know, Tour de France is probably
the biggest, I think third 

414
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,520
biggest sporting event. 
I don't on the planet. 

415
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,880
I don't know why. 
Presumably Scotland doesn't have

416
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,840
great roads. 
I don't know what the roads of 

417
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,920
Glasgow are like, but. 
Half of half of the cyclists 

418
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,200
have come from Scotland. 
That's just absolutely crazy. 

419
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,160
We better get back to some 
running though, otherwise we're 

420
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,920
going to lose a whole listen. 
But. 

421
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,280
I think people will have enjoyed
that. 

422
00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,920
Tell us if you didn't. 
How's your week on the track 

423
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,000
been, actually? 
It's been good. 

424
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,040
Yeah, it's been good. 
I've knocked out about give or 

425
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,040
take 90 kilometres, 9090 K It's 
a big week. 

426
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,800
It is off the back of like the 
fact it was three weeks ago. 

427
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,440
I wasn't, I wasn't running. 
You know, I've come up really 

428
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,080
quick somewhat. 
A few people have asked, you 

429
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,760
know, we were dumbing down some 
of our talk last week and a few 

430
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,720
have said, can you give us a 
like a little bit more 

431
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,560
information of what I'm trying 
to do specifically? 

432
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,440
So I think the, the biggest 
thing that I've changed coming 

433
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080
back from the States and the 
thing that's giving me most 

434
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,400
motivation is I've got those 
numbers now. 

435
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800
We talked about me doing those 
lactate tests and I've got some 

436
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,760
numbers and heart rates. 
So when I'm going out on my 

437
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,800
hour, kind of, you know, base 
building or just like normal 

438
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,440
run, I can't help myself. 
I'm putting the heart rate 

439
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,160
monitor on. 
I'm like within, yeah, I'm in 

440
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,080
the zone. 
I'm within 3 beats of where I 

441
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,120
want to be. 
And so suddenly my, my casual 

442
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,520
run, where of the kind of being 
just fitting in with others or, 

443
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,600
you know, just going out and 
having a jog has suddenly become

444
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,640
like, I'm doing it with real 
purpose so fast. 

445
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,680
I'm noticing changes like it's 
I'm responding really quick, 

446
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720
which is exciting at the moment.
Hopefully not too quick that I 

447
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,560
get injured. 
Again, but people if people 

448
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,400
missed episode 1 where we kind 
of introduced this podcast and 

449
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320
what we wanted to do tonight, 
Courtney mentioned in that 

450
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,720
episode Deer of finding that 
competitive fire and finding 

451
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,760
something that was gonna light 
it. 

452
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,760
If you could see his eyes right 
now, the fire appears to be, I 

453
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,960
don't know if it's lit yet, but 
certainly they're putting the 

454
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,360
kindling on and they're getting 
it. 

455
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:47,680
It's getting there. 
It's getting there. 

456
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320
Yeah, it's getting there. 
So I've had like a decent week 

457
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,920
off. 
I turned up to the Gold Coast 

458
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,120
Runco. 
So we should mention Tim 

459
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,160
Vincent. 
So. 

460
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,920
So Tim Vincent came out two 
years ago and did Red Bull race 

461
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040
the Sun. 
So the 24 hour event I ran and 

462
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,080
then went and ran Gold Coast 
Marathon in a like a 

463
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,960
ridiculously QuickTime about 3 
weeks later but he finally just 

464
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,760
cracked the 210 mark. 
Top ten all time? 

465
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,320
Yep, top ten all time now. 
And I've seen his progress from 

466
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,080
literally he's been down there 
with the Gold Coast run crew, 

467
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,360
Jacko's coached him pretty much 
through this to literally being 

468
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,440
one of, you know, how old is the
country. 

469
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,240
Good question. 
I reckon I'm going to take a 

470
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,160
stab and say around that 2526 
but I could be way off. 

471
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,320
I'm trying to look him up at the
moment, interestingly. 

472
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,880
Been through uni working in. 
Where is he? 

473
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,960
Is he 26? 
26 I was on the money. 

474
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,480
Right. 
Yeah, bang on the money. 

475
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,440
But interestingly, he's an 
athlete who's just done 

476
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,320
something remarkable, 
incredible. 

477
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,280
I think he run, he runs for 
LSKD, doesn't he? 

478
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,800
Yeah, yeah, Just recently, great
local brand as well, Jason 

479
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,680
Daniels doing, you know, great 
stuff there. 

480
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,080
And I I really that we should 
explore the idea of LSKD because

481
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,040
I think it's probably, I don't 
not the only example, but it's a

482
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,120
great example of an Aussie 
brand. 

483
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,760
It's an athletic wear company or
it started out as another thing,

484
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,880
but now it's an athletic wear 
company that is like this 

485
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520
podcast leaning into the running
training really. 

486
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080
But I I also love the way 
they're supporting athletes as, 

487
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,360
as a really nice. 
Yeah, from my understanding, 

488
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,920
they've like really throwing 
their weight behind him and, and

489
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000
look, he's got the results. 
So that's that's a massive, 

490
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,680
massive thing. 
So I was down there running with

491
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,920
like the group he's in Brisbane 
now, but the Gold Coast group 

492
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,840
that he'd run with, we did what 
did we do last week? 

493
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:46,440
We did a 12 minute threshold and
then ran on the track 8 by 200 

494
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,720
metres with 200 metres flow. 
So there's a few of the sons 

495
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,680
boys are back training in that 
group, few triathletes and and 

496
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080
just a whole heap of young 
runners and then the old crew 

497
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,080
that run around with. 
Me go. 

498
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240
When you jump in with that, like
is your? 

499
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,560
Is your running in that group 
still at the pointy end? 

500
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,560
At the moment it's last week I 
got away from the the big group 

501
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,040
and I'm chasing down some of the
Whippet 5K and 10K as we'll be 

502
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480
running at the Noosa 5K this 
weekend. 

503
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Really quick. 
But like I'm running to my own 

504
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,880
pace in that. 
But it's just good to be, you 

505
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,480
know, back around. 
It's hard to hard to slow 

506
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080
yourself down because like you 
suddenly go into competitive 

507
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,160
mode and want to race. 
But yeah, so like I've been 

508
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,240
really chasing these heart rates
and the zones I need to run and 

509
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,880
I'm quickly feeling like that's 
picking up. 

510
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,880
The other thing I've done off 
the back of our metronome kind 

511
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,640
of songs and the chat on running
cadence. 

512
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,840
I have been using a 180 
metronome a little bit on some 

513
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,520
of these runs just to kind of 
just to re just just to 

514
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,160
remember, you know, just to give
myself when I'm a bit tired, 

515
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,040
just to keep my cadence up and 
finding it find it great. 

516
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Yeah, he's let me light on my 
feet. 

517
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,960
One of the exercises I'm also 
doing for my calf and ankle 

518
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,480
recovery is like rhythmic 
pulsing, kind of like a a calf 

519
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,360
exercise where I'm taking my my 
toe flexors out of the exercise 

520
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,840
and just trying to get strength 
in my soleus. 

521
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,720
But I'm solely sorry, but with 
doing that, not so much focusing

522
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,640
on the strength of it, but 
focusing on the insurance of it,

523
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160
but through the tempo you'd run.
It's hard to explain on the 

524
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,080
podcast what I'm doing, but 
think of it like pulsing on 

525
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840
that, on that muscle. 
That's kind of the first phase 

526
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,800
and for something we're really 
concentrating on in that 

527
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,720
recovery. 
For those that are interested, 

528
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,000
how how do we run with a 
metronome? 

529
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Short of grabbing the thing off 
the top of the piano and and 

530
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,960
jogging along with it? 
Like is it something you can set

531
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,600
up on your watch? 
Do you would you set up it on 

532
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,640
your phone? 
How do you how do you run with a

533
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,480
metronome? 
Yeah. 

534
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,000
So at the moment I've just got 
it on there's you just literally

535
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,640
download Metronome. 
App on your phone. 

536
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,680
On your phone and type in 180 
and you still listen to, you 

537
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800
know, Spotify or whatever and 
that can just be clicking along 

538
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,840
in the. 
Background in the background. 

539
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,200
It's just in the background. 
OK, so even on some you forget 

540
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,520
it say, but it's just to help. 
I just like it in the 

541
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,680
background. 
Help with rhythm. 

542
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
I'll stop this at, you know, a 
week. 

543
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160
Oh yeah, it's just while I'm 
getting back it just, I just 

544
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520
find it helps with rhythm songs.
Obviously we talked about the 

545
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,400
180 beat songs and we actually 
asked this week about songs of 

546
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,560
all things, the poll this week 
we did ask about songs and to be

547
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,160
honest, we didn't. 
We got a bit of feedback, but it

548
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,160
hasn't been as good as some of 
their polls. 

549
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,520
So please go in. 
But ACDC AKA Daka came in 

550
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,160
strong. 
Which song? 

551
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,880
You shook me all night long. 
Multiple Dylan Rin who's a 

552
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,600
absolute killer in Ultra 
running. 

553
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,400
He was on that one. 
He that's what he listens to. 

554
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,160
Yeah, as he Gordon. 
Gordon actually said the same 

555
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,520
thing. 
You shook me all night long. 

556
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,360
Yeah, I'm just trying to think 
about the rhythm of man. 

557
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Yeah, OK. 
Interesting. 

558
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,880
Yeah, anything drum and bass 
must be a been a Kiwi. 

559
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,480
Yeah, they're into that Foo 
Fighters, so there's a bit 

560
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,680
there. 
But we, we, we shared our 

561
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080
favourite songs. 
But I just don't mind just 

562
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,040
listening to the old tick tick 
tick. 

563
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,960
If you look at again, I think 
when we talked about it last 

564
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,640
week, we talked about the idea 
of benchmarking a run, mixing it

565
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,760
up, try metronome, give it a 
crack, see if. 

566
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,880
See if it works. 
For you, set it to a rhythm, go 

567
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960
for run, see if it helps, see if
it doesn't, see if. 

568
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,600
See if you feel a bit lighter on
your feet. 

569
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,680
Yeah, because it forces you into
that. 

570
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,560
It definitely forces you to pick
your feet up. 

571
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,120
So that's been that's been 
working well. 

572
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,920
And then I got down to Yamba. 
You weren't a big fan of running

573
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,960
around Yamba We. 
Wasn't a big fan of Yamba. 

574
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,840
A beautiful place, yeah, for a 
holiday. 

575
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480
But the running, it's not much 
really to do around there. 

576
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,040
It's a bit of Rd, yeah, kind of 
run along the coast. 

577
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,960
But to get out of there, there's
nowhere to go. 

578
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,280
No forests seem a bit sandy when
I drove down a little bit. 

579
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,600
So I actually came back after on
the Sunday I came back home and 

580
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,360
went back out to my favourite 
Narang spot. 

581
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,720
Right back out of Narang. 
Yeah, it's like an old guy 

582
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,240
creature, a habit, definitely a 
creature. 

583
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,920
What if if you're new to 
listening to this and if you 

584
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
ever if you followed my Strava, 
which I've pretty much share 

585
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
everything on Strava, you'll 
find I'm a. 

586
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,680
Creature, I've been noticed. 
You are living out in the trails

587
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520
at the moment, whether it's on 
your bike or running around. 

588
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Yeah, living out. 
Definitely a creature habit 

589
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,440
finding something, but looks. 
Like you're running well. 

590
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Like the based on your Strava 
numbers, you look like you're 

591
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,920
actually running, well, pretty 
good. 

592
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,440
I am, but on that Thursday 
session, my brother said to me I

593
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,040
look like I'm running like a a 
FIFA FIFA 08 player. 

594
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Yeah. 
Have you, have you ever, have 

595
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360
you ever played PlayStation 
FIFA? 

596
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Yeah, yeah. 
So FIFA 2008, the players like 

597
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,440
we're just stiff, you know, they
like what literally they 

598
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,200
literally as you move your 
joystick, they go in like a in a

599
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
cross section. 
They literally run around in a 

600
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,520
square only. 
And he said that's what I look 

601
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,800
like running at the. 
Moment you're right. 

602
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,120
OK. 
Pretty pretty average. 

603
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,720
I think your numbers say you're 
moving pretty well. 

604
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,040
And what about you mate? 
What have you been up? 

605
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,160
To since we last spoke, no look,
obviously news to triathlon this

606
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
weekend. 
So I've been again trying to 

607
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,000
lean that focus into the bike a 
fair bit. 

608
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,280
I actually off the back of our 
last chat last week, I went out 

609
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,000
and essentially copied one of 
your Strava sessions where it 

610
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,800
was kind of a 4K at a, at a 5 
minute jog pace and then leaning

611
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,480
into a 5K effort. 
And for me, sort of I was 

612
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,040
stepping down each K, so getting
a bit quicker each K and ended 

613
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,400
up running that 5K at sort of 
about four O 8 pace solid and 

614
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360
then came off and jogged back to
that 5 minutes. 

615
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,640
So it's sort of a fart like 
session. 

616
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,200
Yeah, and felt really good. 
So I feel like, and I've been 

617
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,560
trying them for the most part 
stay off running a bit because 

618
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,800
I've been trying to focus on the
bike. 

619
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:47,040
But then today, day of 
recording, this is not since, 

620
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,120
and this is not exaggerating for
effect. 

621
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,520
Not since last year's Noosa 
Triathlon have I swam more than 

622
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
500 metres. 
And today I jumped in Tally 

623
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,600
Creek and Decay half an hour 
because it was the mental battle

624
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560
it was again. 
I thought a bit about what you 

625
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,640
said last week about how long 
runs provide you with the mental

626
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,600
confidence and the mental 
strength to run the distance. 

627
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,720
That's, that's it. 
That's one benefit to it. 

628
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,680
Aside from the the benefit to 
your lungs and benefit to your 

629
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,280
legs, there's also the the 
mental strength you gain from 

630
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680
running the disc. 
That's what I was chasing this 

631
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,120
morning. 
I know I'm not going to improve 

632
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,280
my swimming between now and 
Sunday, which is sort of three 

633
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,680
days out. 
Or if you listen to this on 

634
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880
Saturday, it's tomorrow. 
But I wanted that mental 

635
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480
confidence of basically swimming
around in Telly Creek for half 

636
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,880
an hour. 
It is Telly Creek. 

637
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,360
Because I reckon that's how long
it's going to take. 

638
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,840
You take it's. 
Going to take me half an hour 

639
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720
yeah, Telly Creek is the best. 
It is amazing. 

640
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,200
It's one of the greatest natural
swimming pools country. 

641
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,320
It's so good and even. 
But even just for me, not a 

642
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,160
strong swimmer, just even the 
the natural, the challenges that

643
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,600
the Creek naturally presents, It
was calm day. 

644
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,800
It was a beautiful day, but the 
currents were still running. 

645
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,680
So I would swim across and then 
as I tried to swim up the Creek,

646
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,320
I was swimming into the current.
So I was kind of and again, it 

647
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760
was that right, I will you're 
not going anywhere fast, but 

648
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320
don't panic about it. 
And then getting the little bit 

649
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,760
of the benefit once I cross back
over the Creek and then swimming

650
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840
with the current and it's just, 
it's just, it was an awesome way

651
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040
to spend half an hour that. 
'D be good good practise for the

652
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,640
ocean on the weekend anyway. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

653
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
So no, I so I did that this 
morning. 

654
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160
I had a few little interval runs
off which went sort of out for a

655
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,920
67K hit and just someone K 
efforts. 

656
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,320
But for the most part, I am. 
I've just been kind of sort of, 

657
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,560
no, I wouldn't say tapering 
because I probably haven't done 

658
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,840
enough training training to 
justify tapering. 

659
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,840
But I I'm glad I swam because 
you and I don't want to swear at

660
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,280
you, But this weekend, in fact, 
today, if people listen to this 

661
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,440
on the Saturday, it will be. 
Yeah. 

662
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,560
There's what is called the 
Legends Race at the Noosa 

663
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Triathlon weekend. 
Yeah, so they they kind of say 

664
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
it's a bit of a celebrity thing,
but that again is a big stretch,

665
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,760
is a big stretch stretch. 
But they get that will look, 

666
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,720
they get people from all the, I 
suppose, public walks of life 

667
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,880
around Queensland and around the
country and you get you all in 

668
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,000
one race together and, you know,
over a really short course in 

669
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,040
front of the crowd. 
So it's kind of like a bit of a 

670
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,960
pre show. 
Yeah. 

671
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,880
To the Noosa 5K Bolt and the the
CYC Pro Cycling event there on 

672
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,800
the Saturday. 
It's a yeah, it's a bit of a 

673
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,360
hitting, a giggle and you have. 
So last year I did it and I was 

674
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,720
in a team with, I think I was 
with Jess Shipper swimming the 

675
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Olympic swimmer and. 
She still goes quick, she still 

676
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,960
goes super, 'cause I swam last 
year and she's tell me. 

677
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720
She's a super swimmer, yeah. 
And I think Kenny Wallace was on

678
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,280
the bike for us, right? 
I think, I can't remember. 

679
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320
And I ran and he's because I 
think the run's only what, 1 1/2

680
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
K or 2 1/2 K or something, 
something like that. 

681
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,320
And I ran out and James Tobin, 
Channel 7's James Tobin and I 

682
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680
just took off, started running 
together and we're about 500 

683
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,840
metres in thing. 
And we both looked at each other

684
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,560
and said we are running way 
fast. 

685
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Like neither of us can hold this
part. 

686
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,760
And we started out the same time
as Beth McKenzie, who's in icon 

687
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,880
of trail running in this country
now and and has the win 

688
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
triathlon brand with a with a 
husband, Luke. 

689
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,000
And she was just just, and I 
looked down and I tried to slow 

690
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,120
down and actually I recorded my 
fastest ever 2K that day. 

691
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,000
Like I ran like like 3 pace, 
which is so far beyond me. 

692
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,600
And I just 'cause you get caught
up in the moment. 

693
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,239
You get caught up amongst all 
the crowd and everyone cheering 

694
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,760
you on and I was trying to chase
down Glenn McGrath and it was, 

695
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,120
it was an awesome day. 
But this weekend, today. 

696
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,120
I need you on your best. 
Your best on Saturday on the 

697
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,480
bike. 
I'm putting you on the bike. 

698
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,400
What? 
Are you doing? 

699
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,320
Well, I wanna run. 
Yeah, I know, that's simple. 

700
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,360
I'm guessing. 
I guess I should be glad you're 

701
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,280
not putting me in the. 
Water. 

702
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Well, we were gonna put you in 
the water and then, as this is, 

703
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,280
will be released on Saturday. 
I can tell you I've roped in 

704
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,440
another mate of mine who? 
His name's Yasu, you know, and 

705
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,080
I've never heard of Yasu. 
So Yasu swim in the Now let me 

706
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,760
think, he swam the London and 
the Rio 10 kilometre open water 

707
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680
swim for Japan at the at the 
Olympics. 

708
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440
So he knows how to handle 
himself in the water. 

709
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,680
All right, so he used to race 
Kyhurst head to head. 

710
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,960
What? 
What are you doing? 

711
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680
What are you doing to me? 
So if I do not have a lead 

712
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,680
putting coming into my run 
because I'm definitely not tip 

713
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,280
top at the moment, I need a 
lead. 

714
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120
What? 
Are you doing to me, putting me 

715
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,280
in this Olympic sandwich where 
you've got a two time Olympian 

716
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,160
jumping in the water? 
I ah, this, this I'm, I'm 

717
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,120
genuinely anxious about this now
because I don't want to. 

718
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,720
I don't want to be embarrassed 
and gobbled up by the by because

719
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,680
there's some. 
Genuine. 

720
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,080
We're not putting it. 
No, no excuses early mate. 

721
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Weapons in this race. 
I'm sure there is and, but we 

722
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,600
need you to do your job. 
We need you to do your job. 

723
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,400
Trying to hold onto them like do
you know what's most, you know 

724
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,800
what I'm most anxious about now?
The corners, the crapness of my 

725
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,160
bike. 
I, my bike is not worthy of, I'm

726
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,920
not worthy of being in this race
and my bike is less worthy of 

727
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,760
being in this race. 
So thanks for that. 

728
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,640
That's alright. 
We we expect big things, Liam. 

729
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,760
So next time, next time we're 
chatting on this. 

730
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,080
Yeah, we can be victors of the 
race. 

731
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,360
That doesn't matter. 
Actually, is there a prize? 

732
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,800
I don't think so. 
That's disappointing. 

733
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,000
Hey, can we play a quick game? 
Sure, I want to call it the 

734
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,440
recovery game. 
How long have we been going for 

735
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,720
At the moment? 
We've been going for a while. 

736
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,880
We still got time, quick 
recovery game because you got 

737
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800
all these. 
I think recovery, the industry's

738
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,600
probably, I don't know if it's 
peak, but it's certainly as 

739
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,080
popular as there's ever been as 
this country and running boom, 

740
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,160
the fitness boom. 
This is the recovery industry 

741
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,800
you're talking about the. 
Recovery, right? 

742
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,120
You've got places on the Gold 
Coast like Riggs and there's a 

743
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,920
place in Sydney called Recovery 
and all these kind of these 

744
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,160
places that are set up with the 
the Saunas, the hot and cold 

745
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,680
plunges, the Norma tech boots, 
this sort of stuff, the float 

746
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
tanks, all sort of stuff. 
Ice baths, ice baths. 

747
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,200
I wanna, I wanna play a quick 
ranking game with you as an 

748
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,760
elite athlete and I'll give you 
my amateur rankings, but I want 

749
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,360
you to rank. 
I will give you Norma tech 

750
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
boots. 
OK, Hot and cold plunge or ice 

751
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,960
bars. 
Ice bars just called ice bars. 

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Yep. 
Sauna and massage, rank those 4 

753
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,040
based on what however you want 
to rank them. 

754
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,880
But I essentially like if you 
are, if you're programming your 

755
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,120
recovery from a race or, or a 
big week, how are you ranking 

756
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,200
those four? 
Like what's the most important 

757
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
to you of those four, and what's
the least important to you of 

758
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,000
those four? 
Right. 

759
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,040
Well, I think I'm gonna, I'm 
gonna play this honest. 

760
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,280
You, you talk about you being 
honest because it's different to

761
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,600
what it would have been when I 
was racing. 

762
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,240
But right now I would be massage
#1 Norma tech boots #2 right? 

763
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,760
What was my other two options? 
Ice bath and sauna. 

764
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,320
I'd go sauna #3 and ice bath #4.
Why? 

765
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Because ice bath is the very 
cool thing to do. 

766
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Ice bath is very cool. 
I am. 

767
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,840
I'm a fan of ice baths for 
recovery in the sense of like if

768
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,600
you've got trauma. 
So you know, if you're a footy 

769
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520
player and you've been whacked 
around on the weekend or if 

770
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,200
you've, you know, if you've done
a trail race or something where 

771
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,080
you've really beaten up your 
legs or downhill and that type 

772
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,960
of thing and you're gonna get 
DOMS. 

773
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,320
So like it's you're literally 
damaged, then I'd probably put 

774
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,440
ice bar so higher up on that 
list, but just list a day to 

775
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,880
day. 
And the reason I say this, so I 

776
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,840
only go on the subjectively what
happened to me. 

777
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,200
So Beijing Olympics, I was 
training here in winter. 

778
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,800
AIS gave me an ice bath for my 
house. 

779
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Like one of the machine ones 
literally sits at, you know, 

780
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
nine degrees, 8°, whatever the 
temperature was. 

781
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,400
The protocol we did at the time 
was I got my memory. 

782
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,000
I think it was like it was 
maybe, I think it was just a 

783
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640
long, there was two different 
protocols. 1 was a long hold, so

784
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,200
like a 10 minute just in there. 
And the second one was like a 3 

785
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
minutes in, a bit of hot 3 
minutes back, a bit of hot 3 

786
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,920
minutes again. 
Now training for the Olympics 

787
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,320
mate, it was so, I mean it's 
painful training like every day 

788
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,120
you're going out and building 
yourself, the body, the mind, 

789
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
you have, you know, your red 
line and the whole time. 

790
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,640
And then every single day I had 
to come back and get in that 

791
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,040
bloody ice bath every single 
day. 

792
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,520
And it was, you know, Gold 
Coast, winter is not too bad, 

793
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
but it was cold and I got in 
there. 

794
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,280
So I went to Beijing and I 
didn't race bad, but I 

795
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,400
definitely didn't race out of my
skin or any better from that 

796
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,360
day. 
I stopped that ice bath three 

797
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,520
months later, absolutely racing 
out of my skin. 

798
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,280
Never ice bath again. 
Racing out of my skin. 

799
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Didn't have a, you know, it, it 
had, no, just didn't do anything

800
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,040
like, yeah, so all the science 
and whatever's, you know, 

801
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,720
studies are out there, whatever.
But for me, I couldn't say to 

802
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,360
you it had an effect on what I 
did. 

803
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Now, someone would argue that 
that six months that I did ice 

804
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,120
baths every day actually had the
effect to help me those three 

805
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,840
months that, you know, three 
months later. 

806
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,520
But right now today as like, you
know, it's not, you know, I'm 

807
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,040
not training full time and all 
that. 

808
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,320
If you said to me go and sit in 
an ice bath, I couldn't think of

809
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,840
anything worse, the anything 
worse. 

810
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,560
The ice bath, hence. #4. 
The ice bath devotees out there 

811
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
will be that. 
You'll be breaking hearts, 

812
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,320
they'll be squirming, they'll be
hating the hearing that. 

813
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,800
But I'm I'm for it for trauma, 
OK, but every day I just like 

814
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360
you know, when it comes to 
recovery, you you miss what I 

815
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
would put is number one, what 
Netflix. 

816
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Just rest. 
Sit on the couch, put the legs 

817
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,440
up and just switch off. 
I'd just go for Netflix and 

818
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,120
yeah, Norma tech boots at the 
same time. 

819
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Might you know? 
Might add a bit of. 

820
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Proceeding boots too, because 
I'll, because I'll give you my 

821
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,320
rankings as a yeah, give me as 
an, as an, as an amateur punter.

822
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,320
Have you had much experience 
with the normal tech boots? 

823
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Like two or three things. 
Yeah, right. 

824
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:34,440
Massage one sign. 
I have probably haven't had 

825
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,720
enough experience with the 
normal takes to fairly judge 

826
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,080
them, but I'm going to put them 
at three. 

827
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,120
I put ice bath at 2. 
Norma take a three, sauna at 4. 

828
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,280
Hate the sauna. 
I can't stand the sauna. 

829
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Drives me nuts. 
Because you're South Australia 

830
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,200
gets too hot. 
You like the cold? 

831
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,680
It gets too hot, it genuinely I 
get uncomfortable, I don't enjoy

832
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,280
it and I don't know if it's 
doing anything for me. 

833
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,680
I don't know if I feel good 
afterwards. 

834
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,600
To your point, I would almost 
put in at #2 as a late contender

835
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,480
there sitting on the couch with 
a theragun. 

836
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,400
Yeah, right. 
I don't mind the Theragun. 

837
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,520
I love the theragun so I think. 
It's kind of like a master. 

838
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,280
Yeah. 
The other thing with the 

839
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,760
Theragun I've found is you've 
actually got a, you know, when 

840
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,400
you're you're stuffed after 
training. 

841
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,800
Yeah. 
You've physically still got to 

842
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,360
put effort in holding it. 
That's, well, you know, shows. 

843
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,240
How differently we train it. 
But I mean recovery. 

844
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,840
Look, one thing I think with 
recovery is you can overdo 

845
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,240
recovery as well. 
And now that's going to sound 

846
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,880
crazy and people are going to 
go, yeah, this off is rocker. 

847
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,480
But a lot of the the recovery I 
think you need to do we we, we 

848
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,480
look at recovery and just sport 
again. 

849
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,560
And I've talked a lot about, you
know, when people listen to 

850
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,240
advice or listen, go on Google 
and check out all their 

851
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,400
sessions, they're looking at 
what the elites do. 

852
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Well, the elites are literally 
doing all of that recovery 

853
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,760
because they get up, they eat, 
they train, they rest, they 

854
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,440
recover, they mass, they, 
they're doing all that because 

855
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,240
that is their 24 hours. 
If you've got kids, a life, a 

856
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,000
family, parties to go to work 
and you're trying to squeeze 

857
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
training in and then suddenly 
you start worrying about where 

858
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
do I fit my recovery in 
optimally? 

859
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,320
Like I said, sit down on the 
couch with your your wife, your 

860
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,160
boyfriend, your girlfriend, 
whatever it is, put your feet 

861
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,360
up. 
That's true. 

862
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,760
It's recovery and eat well. 
Eat for well, food's the other 

863
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,040
one. 
Actually, we should explore that

864
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,280
one day. 
Can we talk about and you? 

865
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,880
I've got a I've got a shoe here 
which I want to get to. 

866
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Got a present for you? 
You do have a present for me. 

867
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,560
You've spoiling me. 
It's not even my birthday, even 

868
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560
though you miss my birthday. 
That's OK, before we get to the 

869
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,640
shoe you just talked about and 
my ears pricked up then as I'm 

870
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,080
sure some other people's do it 
as they were listening the audio

871
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,600
training for the Olympics and 
how much it sucked. 

872
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,920
This is just redlining. 
And then you had to go back and 

873
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,680
recover and how did you stay 
motivated? 

874
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,560
And while you think about that, 
and aside from the carrot of the

875
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,800
Olympic Games, because I bring 
this up because I went for a run

876
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,000
since we last spoke with a 
friend and it's a, it was a bit 

877
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
like when you and I go running, 
except the roles were reversed. 

878
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,720
We were running at a pace which 
was talkable for me and less 

879
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,560
talkable for him as we went, as 
we went on. 

880
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,240
But we got talking a bit about 
the idea of motivation and 

881
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:29,120
particularly the idea of David 
Goggins and, and we had it was I

882
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,200
found it a really interesting 
conversation, so much so that I 

883
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,400
text you afterwards and said, I 
want to talk about this next 

884
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,520
episode. 
But how did you stay motivated 

885
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,840
when you talk about Olympic 
training and how much it sucked?

886
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,720
Let's let's just go to the 
Goggans a bit. 

887
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:44,600
Are you gonna? 
Go Yeah. 

888
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,920
You you've baited me with 
Goggans. 

889
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,480
I've got a I've got a story I 
told. 

890
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,360
I mean, it's the other day about
Goggins and it actually reminds 

891
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,040
me, I had, I had another 
conversation with a mate the 

892
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,640
other day when we, we, we'll 
talk on a previous episode 

893
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,800
about, you know, performance 
runners versus say you Ned 

894
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,320
Brockmans and your, and your 
runners doing across Australia 

895
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,280
and all the kind of the feats. 
And I was trying to explain what

896
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,000
that style of running is to 
someone who really didn't know 

897
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,520
running. 
And they, they kind of come back

898
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,640
at me and said, Oh, so you're 
kind of talking like they're the

899
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,840
David Goggins of Australia. 
And I was went bang. 

900
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Can I use that 100%? 
That explains exactly what we 

901
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,520
were trying to talk about the 
other day about performance 

902
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,920
athletes and noise athletes. 
You've got David Goggins of 

903
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Australia and they're the 
people's runners. 

904
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,880
They're what you want to listen 
to. 

905
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,800
They're the motivation. 
That's what people are getting 

906
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,680
up to. 
And then you've got performance.

907
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,280
So there's a there's a podcast, 
it was YouTube actually of a, 

908
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,240
you know, quite a large 
following fitness guy out of the

909
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,440
UK and he had Christian 
Blumenfeld, who gold medallist 

910
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,760
at the Olympic Games, triathlon 
world record holder in Iron Man.

911
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,920
There's a great video of going 
from Kona of him last weekend 

912
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,680
throwing up mid bike race. 
Yeah. 

913
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
I mean, he didn't have a great 
race on the weekend and Kona, 

914
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,280
but pretty much has won 
everything. 

915
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,240
And this fitness YouTube was 
asking him about, you know, he 

916
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360
spent a day with him training 
and he was talking about a whole

917
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,920
heap of things. 
And now we're at lunch eating, 

918
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,040
and he said you would have heard
of David Goggins. 

919
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,160
And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, kind of. 

920
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Of course he would have come 
across him on the web. 

921
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Everyone has. 
He'd be, you know, Anyway, he 

922
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,160
literally goes, the guy said to 
him, Oh, what do you think it 

923
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,800
gave David Goggins? 
And he wouldn't answer, which I 

924
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,760
wouldn't either in that case. 
And he said, well, let's just 

925
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,600
have a look at what he's done 
for an Ironman triathlon. 

926
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,480
And literally for the Ironman 
triathlon he'd done let's just 

927
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,560
first argument, say say 11 1/2 
hours. 

928
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920
And he asked Christian, like, 
what have you done? 

929
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,800
Like what's your basis? 
And he's like, oh, well, in my 

930
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,160
first Ironman, I went 7 1/2 
hours and he's like, oh, OK, 

931
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,880
we're not even talking about the
same sport here. 

932
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,520
This is chalk and cheese. 
The difference. 

933
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,960
We're talking five hours. 
And Christian goes, oh, you 

934
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,200
know, I suppose. 
And he was being really humble 

935
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,920
about it. 
And he said, oh, I suppose like 

936
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,800
in a way, I mean, I would have 
finished, I would have done our 

937
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,440
presentations. 
I would have went back. 

938
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,400
I had my shower, I had my food. 
I probably would have had to 

939
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,160
sleep. 
And then we come back and kind 

940
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,960
of congratulate people coming 
across the line. 

941
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Yeah, that's performance verse. 
Versus noise. 

942
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Voice noise and that's where we 
we, you know, I think that's a 

943
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,040
good puts it into perspective 
this space we, you know, we talk

944
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,720
about a lot. 
You talk about, I mean Tim 

945
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,360
Vincent as an example, a guy 
who's just run 209 that is a 

946
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,640
performance athlete versus noisy
athletes, some noisy athletes 

947
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,520
who are capable of running sub 
three hours, but you are talking

948
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,240
about an hour time difference 
here. 

949
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Massive. 
So the reason I bring up Goggins

950
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,480
because my friend and I were 
jogging along and talking about 

951
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:58,120
him and I really enjoy dipping 
into David Goggins. 

952
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,040
I love, I love dipping in on a 
David Goggins reel on Instagram.

953
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,880
I, I, I, I get it. 
It's kind of like not to acquire

954
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:13,080
it to, but it's, it's like, it's
like a, you know, a, a binge 

955
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,680
worthy TV show. 
You jump in, you disappear into 

956
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,680
his feed for 20 minutes, watch a
bunch of his reels, and then you

957
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:21,720
move on. 
Do you? 

958
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,480
Do you come out raring to go? 
Are you all the time? 

959
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,600
No. 
Not all the time. 

960
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,880
Sometimes I go, Oh yeah, I like 
that. 

961
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,840
I like the message there. 
I agree with that. 

962
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,560
A lot of the times I go, Nah, 
not for me. 

963
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,920
The issue I have with Goggins 
and it's not really with Goggins

964
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,840
because I think personal 
opinion, I think somewhere some 

965
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,800
people get lost with the David 
Goggins phenomenon, if you. 

966
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:48,920
And it's a bit like Joe Rogan 
too. 

967
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,760
If you listen to what they're 
saying, they are. 

968
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,880
It is all all the things that 
they do and say is for them. 

969
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Joe Rogan interviews people he's
interested in. 

970
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,600
He talks about things he likes 
UFC, bow hunting, stand up. 

971
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,440
He's not trying to tell anybody 
else how to live their life. 

972
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,680
David Goggins talks about the 
things he likes doing for 

973
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,800
himself. 
He likes not even likes. 

974
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,000
He talks about the way he wants 
to live, the way he wants to 

975
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,160
exist, the way he wants to 
train, right. 

976
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,720
He's not preaching this well. 
He well, he is preaching it in a

977
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,680
way. 
And I think where I get not 

978
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,920
frustrated because ultimately 
people can live their lives 

979
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,520
however they want. 
What I don't understand is when 

980
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,680
people take the mentality of 
Goggins and make it their 

981
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,880
gospel. 
I think if you are taking the 

982
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,640
opinions and the personality and
the way of life of another 

983
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,840
individual and attempting to 
make it your own, I think you 

984
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,280
you, it just means you haven't 
actually found who you are yet. 

985
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Like, you know, I'm and I'm and 
I'm and. 

986
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880
That might be part of the 
process, right to figuring it 

987
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,080
out, yeah. 
Right. 

988
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,280
But it's this idea and often and
we, you know, everyone probably 

989
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,160
notices who we're talking about 
here when we talk about, you see

990
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,680
influencers who are sort of 
Goggins light or attempting to 

991
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,200
be of that ilk. 
And I kind of look at them and I

992
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,840
just have a bit. 
I don't feel pity for them 

993
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,600
because they're their own people
and you know, they don't need my

994
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,160
be. 
But it's more a case if I kind 

995
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,360
of go, go find yourself, go, go,
go. 

996
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,280
If this is part of you finding 
yourself in your voice, great. 

997
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,040
But you can't just, you know, 
regurgitate Dave Goggins quotes 

998
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,680
and attitudes and try and pass 
it off as being unique in 

999
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,320
yourself because it's not right.
You're doing an impersonation. 

1000
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,040
Yeah, I, yeah, I'm I'm I agree 
with you on this. 

1001
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:02,320
I think the not the issue, but 
because everyone has can vague, 

1002
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,320
everyone can do whatever the 
hell they like, you know, live 

1003
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,320
your life. 
But I actually feel sorry a 

1004
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,520
little bit because it shouldn't 
be that hard. 

1005
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,320
It should be fun. 
Like honestly, if you're not, 

1006
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,800
you just asked me about 
training, you know, before, like

1007
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,520
why I said training for the 
Olympics is, you know, was 

1008
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,760
agonising or whatever it is 
because you're out redlining 

1009
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,640
every day. 
I loved every second of it, 

1010
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,640
though. 
I said on one hand I'm saying it

1011
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,560
it sucked because it's so hard, 
but I loved it. 

1012
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,560
That the process of it, 
everything that went with it, I 

1013
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,600
love it. 
If I didn't have that goal of 

1014
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,800
going to the Olympics, would I 
do the same thing? 

1015
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,320
No, I want to enjoy what I like.
I would do more enjoyable parts 

1016
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,280
of exercise that I get more out 
of it. 

1017
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,960
So there's a real competitive 
nature there. 

1018
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,920
And then there's another side 
where you can kind of go down 

1019
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,400
the way of, I suppose fun's not 
the word, but it's like exercise

1020
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,480
and what you're doing should be 
enjoyable. 

1021
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,920
If that enjoyment comes through 
with being so structured that 

1022
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,240
you want to go and win your age 
group at Hawaii Iron Man, then 

1023
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,200
awesome. 
What are you? 

1024
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,240
Awesome. 
That's amazing. 

1025
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,040
That's awesome. 
But that's not going to be for 

1026
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,480
everyone because, you know, on 
the flip side, you've got a, you

1027
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,560
know, a three kilometre run club
who's having a coffee and 

1028
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,480
they're running for 10 minutes. 
Awesome. 

1029
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,280
They're doing the same thing, 
but that's for them. 

1030
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,240
It's, you know, you're always 
going to side on what you 

1031
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,520
believe. 
And I've flipped the script 

1032
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,120
because I still like get a lot 
out of the process of doing 

1033
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,640
things. 
But my number one thing is like 

1034
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,720
good, you talked about 
Telebudger Creek. 

1035
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,720
I love like I love running in 
the forest. 

1036
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,120
I think there's nothing better 
than being at sunrise, running 

1037
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,600
on a single trail on your own, 
listening to the sounds and the 

1038
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,280
lights coming and you're like, 
how how good's life? 

1039
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,520
How good's this? 
You know what's better? 

1040
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Swimming in Telebudger Creek 
when the sun's coming up and 

1041
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,120
it's a picture perfect day. 
There's something about being in

1042
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,960
the, you know, just being 
immersed in water that's even 

1043
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960
better. 
I, I prefer running, but I love 

1044
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,800
the feeling of swimming and I go
swimming. 

1045
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,880
You know, generally when someone
comes around, I'll go swimming 

1046
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,640
on a Wednesday for that feeling,
that feeling over my running. 

1047
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,800
I'll I'll and again, it's it's a
shame we don't have video 

1048
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,040
rolling for this one, because 
the smile on your face as you 

1049
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,240
talk about running in the trails
and swimming in the Creek. 

1050
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,960
It is I, I'm with you. 
I, it's people talk about in 

1051
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,160
triathlon, you probably heard 
these, they talk about training 

1052
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,600
your weeks and about, you know, 
training that thing that your 

1053
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,000
weakest. 
That for me, that's swimming, 

1054
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,960
right? 
I don't get the same enjoyment 

1055
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,320
out of swimming that I get on 
it, which is why when I have an 

1056
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,680
option, I'll go for a run 
because I, the enjoyment I get 

1057
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,280
from a run and whether it's in 
the trails or whether it's on 

1058
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,240
the road, I just the enjoyment 
is there me in that. 

1059
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:40,080
And I'm the same with you. 
I I want to enjoy the activities

1060
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,720
that I'm choosing to spend time 
doing. 

1061
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,200
So is the activity to you more 
important than the environment 

1062
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,640
or the environment more 
important than the activity? 

1063
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Because I'm, I'm actually I'm of
the, the environment's more 

1064
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,960
important to me these days than 
the activity. 

1065
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,600
It's not a question I've ever 
really thought about. 

1066
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,520
I think it's the well, look, if 
you if you gave me the choice of

1067
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:09,240
of going for a run in an 
industrial block where it's 

1068
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,160
activity versus environment or 
you said, do you want to go for 

1069
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
a swim in this beautiful Creek, 
I'd probably take the swim. 

1070
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,720
So it probably is environment 
over activity. 

1071
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,160
Yeah, you're right. 
Which comes back to the circle, 

1072
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,880
back to things we've talked 
about previously. 

1073
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,200
The reason Noosa try sells outs,
the reason girl goes marathon 

1074
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,160
says it's the environment that 
these events take place in. 

1075
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,000
That I think is probably as big 
a carrot as anything. 

1076
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,320
But just to put a bow on the 
motivation thing with Goggins 

1077
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,960
and all the rest of that, I 
again, I follow David Goggins. 

1078
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,800
I am I love it to use it as a 
it's you know, as a sometimes 

1079
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,680
food, if you will Yeah, and 
those people who it's the staple

1080
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,960
of their diet. 
Good luck to you. 

1081
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,120
I as if it keeps you out there 
motivated and keeps you doing 

1082
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,320
staying active and fit and 
healthy and it gives you drive 

1083
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,720
in your life. 
Go for. 

1084
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,280
It 100%. 
Go for it, 100 percent, 100% 

1085
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:00,920
Now, whatever gets you out the 
door. 

1086
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,400
Whatever gets you out the door. 
Now, Speaking of getting out the

1087
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,200
door, Yep, What am I holding? 
I bought you a present. 

1088
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,440
So this is, yeah, we talk about,
we've talked about all different

1089
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,880
run shoes, but I run 
particularly for Solomon. 

1090
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,560
So that's the one you get a 
present from. 

1091
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,520
So these are the Solomon 
Spectre. 

1092
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,240
What's interesting about this 
shoe, So it's a full, it's a 

1093
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,040
full, it's got a full length 
carbon plate in it. 

1094
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,680
But what they've done, I suppose
from a marketing standpoint a 

1095
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,200
bit different and the shape of 
the shoe is that they've 

1096
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,000
targeted it at more of a like a 
three to a three and a half, 3 

1097
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,680
1/2, three to three and a half 
hour marathon runner. 

1098
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,640
So. 
So there's a few different, you 

1099
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,120
know, explain. 
How this is different to 

1100
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,680
something that a 2 1/2 hour 
marathoner might run in? 

1101
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,600
Yeah. 
So compared to the, and I'm not 

1102
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,320
going to call it top of the 
range because they're both top 

1103
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,040
of the range. 
It's just that the design of 

1104
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,520
them is just different for each 
runner. 

1105
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,800
So particularly on here, you've 
got like a real like a lot wider

1106
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,800
heel platform. 
So for stability. 

1107
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,560
So if you're running a bit 
slower, you're more likely to be

1108
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,360
a bit more flat footed or as 
you're getting tighter hit on 

1109
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,320
your heel a bit more. 
OK, so there's a little bit more

1110
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,040
structure there, but you've 
still got the full carbon plate 

1111
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,480
in there. 
But pretty much why I've never 

1112
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,600
run in them. 
I want to test the marketing of 

1113
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,680
this thing. 
So I brought them for you, Liam.

1114
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:30,520
So to read between the lines of 
that it's a shoe that is too 

1115
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,680
slow for Courtney to run in, so 
he's brought it to his slow 

1116
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,160
running mate. 
Great. 

1117
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,040
No, I am, I am genuinely, that 
is very generous. 

1118
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,000
I love. 
You, you don't have to run in 

1119
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000
them, but I want you to try 
them. 

1120
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,320
I want you to try them and I 
want you to give your honest 

1121
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,320
feedback on whether they're, you
know what they're like. 

1122
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,520
Because what I do, you know what
I love about them? 

1123
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,880
The the thing that has jumped 
out to me, I haven't put my foot

1124
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,120
in these. 
I am disappointed the colour 

1125
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,880
wise, not a bit more, Larry, 
because I I wouldn't mind a bit 

1126
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,360
more. 
They're they're an all white. 

1127
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,400
You are a bit of a fluro. 
I'm a fluro. 

1128
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,480
I'm a fluro flyer. 
But what I love is the and I 

1129
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,160
think this will appeal to the 
average runner. 

1130
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,680
Is there is a spot on the side 
of these shoes where you can 

1131
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,360
write your name and presumably 
write your goal time for your 

1132
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,920
running race? 
Ideally 3 hours. 

1133
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,480
So that like, I love the idea. 
I'm already like. 

1134
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,240
So that's the present you want 
to run 3 hours? 

1135
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Yeah, I've just given you the 
shoe, the tool to go and run. 

1136
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,560
So here's what I'm gonna do. 
I'm gonna and 'cause I'm going 

1137
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,240
to run in these shoes and as 
long as they don't break my 

1138
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,600
feet, which I I don't think they
will, I'm excited to run in 

1139
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,600
them. 
I can see myself confidently 

1140
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,720
riding my name on these shoes 
and then riding in the time slot

1141
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,880
beneath 25959 and then Gold 
Coast Marathon 2025. 

1142
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,560
These will be the shoes I'm 
wearing as long as they feel 

1143
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,880
good. 
And that like 'cause that is one

1144
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,400
of those running niche gear 
nerdy things which it's 

1145
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,920
individual. 
You you like, you may put them 

1146
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,400
on and go. 
Yeah, not for me, not for me, 

1147
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,120
not for me. 
And that's alright. 

1148
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,680
There's plenty of shoes in both.
Salomon, the brand I run for, 

1149
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,000
there's some models that I go, 
hey, no thanks like. 

1150
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,360
Can we while we're I'm, I'm 
really excited. 

1151
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,280
That is very kind. 
Can we play a quick game 'cause 

1152
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,160
I literally got a text message 
from a friend yesterday with a 

1153
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:22,200
link to a a site saying 7 best 
road running shoes in 2024 and 

1154
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,600
he said your thoughts? 
Best basic running shoe to get 

1155
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,600
me started right? 
So he's he sent this to me 

1156
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,760
because I run more than he does 
saying what shoes should I buy? 

1157
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,120
So let's do this in real time 
because the shoes that are rated

1158
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,720
on this on this page, the best 
budget shoe is a shoe called a 

1159
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Zorkoni Axon 3. 
OK, just kind of looks like a 

1160
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,040
standard run of the mill jogger.
Believe Tim Tim, Tim, Tim. 

1161
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,000
What's running at Silk? 
County the best stability rated 

1162
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,320
shoe is the ASICS Gel Kayano. 
Yeah. 

1163
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,920
The best plush cushioning shoe 
is the ASICS Gel Nimbus. 

1164
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,000
The best for a race is the Nike 
Vapour Flyer. 

1165
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:09,200
The best speed trainer is the 
Puma DV8 Nitro, the best daily 

1166
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,880
trainer is the Nike Pegasus, and
the best overall is the ASICS 

1167
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,040
Nova blast. 
That's they're the shoes that 

1168
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,240
are rated on this page. 
Interesting to note that three 

1169
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,840
ASICS make the cut according to 
this page. 

1170
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,320
And this is a a, a site I've 
never seen before called run, 

1171
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,080
repeat. 
But I look at all those and I go

1172
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,880
and I've almost want to text him
and say I wouldn't get any of 

1173
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,760
those. 
I would go into a. 

1174
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,080
Store and try some shoes. 
I would go into the athlete's 

1175
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,200
foot and try some shoes on or 
Rebel Sport and yeah, yeah, 

1176
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,360
yeah. 
Not the athlete's foot has, you 

1177
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,960
know, but I would just, I would 
not use these running sites as a

1178
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,640
guide on what shoe to buy if 
you're about to start running. 

1179
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,760
You, I mean, it's the first 
thing we're going to say. 

1180
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,480
You you can listen to reviews. 
I mean I get different Solomon 

1181
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,920
shoes and talk about how I feel 
in them and but the last thing 

1182
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,960
I'll always say is go into the 
store and try heap of shoes on. 

1183
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,280
Because in the end, everyone's 
like the the biggest comp, the 

1184
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,000
single biggest complaint I hear 
about shoes is the toe box in 

1185
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,600
different shoes. 
So how thin, like how skinny a 

1186
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,320
shoe will run through the toe 
box. 

1187
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,200
So, and generally, especially 
with males who have some, you 

1188
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,680
know, fatter feet, they'll go 
for a a shoe which is a 

1189
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,640
performance shoe and everyone's 
talking about it. 

1190
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,640
Get it and list her up within, 
you know, fights. 

1191
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,920
All of those shoes you mentioned
there. 

1192
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,480
I haven't run in enough of them 
to be able to even talk about 

1193
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,240
it. 
One thing I I do, you know, we 

1194
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,160
talked a lot about expertise and
coaching. 

1195
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,280
Yeah, if I don't like, I don't. 
I've never worn all those shoes.

1196
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,560
And I argue there's not many 
people who are going to try 

1197
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,480
every single shoe. 
But when it comes to expertise 

1198
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,000
and running, I look at it and 
go, well, this is where elite 

1199
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,680
runners do make a difference to 
me. 

1200
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,520
Because if the best in the world
are wearing shoes and breaking 

1201
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,480
records to me, then I'm like, 
OK, well, that shoe has to be 

1202
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,320
one of the best ones, one of the
best ones. 

1203
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,440
But if you've got shoes that 
aren't being worn by the elite 

1204
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,880
runners, I'd be starting to 
question why. 

1205
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,960
And of course, there's marketing
in that to a degree of, you 

1206
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,680
know, who gets paid to wear 
what, this and that. 

1207
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,920
But there's something in that 
that they've and some of the 

1208
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,520
bigger brands are bigger brands 
because they have more marketing

1209
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,720
dollars to do the research to 
get the data to develop the 

1210
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,800
shoes. 
That's where I'd always lean 

1211
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,360
towards it like expertise of 
what I've seen works there. 

1212
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,400
We go we've got there's so much 
more that we that we wanted to 

1213
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,080
get stuck into. 
We've still had a whole bunch of

1214
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:50,280
conversations to have around 
like running on pars bond item 

1215
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,360
manly ultra last weekend. 
Share that to anybody who 

1216
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,560
listens that did the bond item 
manly. 

1217
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,640
Ultra have you seen? 
Did you see the size of the 

1218
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,680
field? 
Crazy event. 

1219
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,480
And there's another great 
example of a great event with a 

1220
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,560
great location, great 
environment. 

1221
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,600
And a few and a few million 
people around it and. 

1222
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,480
It was and, and, but before we 
finish up, again, as we always 

1223
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,160
say, like there was this, this, 
this, what we're doing here and 

1224
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,080
in the beginning is, is Courtney
and I are talking about running 

1225
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,920
in the fitness world and 
everything around it. 

1226
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,560
And what we're trying to build 
is this community of people that

1227
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,400
like listening to us and it is 
starting to grow. 

1228
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,600
And we want to give a shout out 
to everybody that's already 

1229
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,440
joining in. 
If there's stuff you want us to 

1230
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,240
talk about specifically, send us
a message. 

1231
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,280
We'll get stuck into it. 
For the average punters out 

1232
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,880
there, for the average runners, 
if there are questions you want 

1233
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,560
Courtney to answer as the expert
on this, send them through 

1234
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,320
because I'm happy to shoot them 
off at him. 

1235
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,960
And that means he has to do 
homework ahead of this each way.

1236
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,320
But again, subscribe on Spotify,
leave us a rating, leave us a 

1237
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,640
review. 
It's the best way to help us 

1238
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,240
keep growing this thing and 
help, you know, grow the 

1239
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,080
community and expand the 
audience and go from strength to

1240
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,720
strength. 
This weekend we're up at the 

1241
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,800
Noosa Triathlon, and we are 
going to be shamelessly 

1242
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,440
promoting In the Beginning 
podcast. 

1243
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Yeah, to the people. 
Good luck to everyone having a 

1244
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,720
race and having a run and having
a ride. 

1245
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,560
That's right, plenty going on. 
Biggest biggest multi sport 

1246
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,760
event in Australia. 
Second biggest Do you know where

1247
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,880
the biggest triathlon 
participation wise in the world 

1248
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,160
is? 
I'm. 

1249
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,520
Gonna have a stab at London. 
Correct. 

1250
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,080
Canary Wharf Triathlon. 
Won that once. 

1251
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,360
Let's leave it there that. 
Night Boom. 

1252
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,160
We'll see you next week.