1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 In the beginning podcast, we are back. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,880 We're starting today with a laugh because we are remote 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,160 today. We are not together in the 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,680 Courtney Atkinson studio. We are apart. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,440 I'm still in the Gold Coast. Courtney, where are you at the 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,640 moment? Yeah, so I'm, I'm sitting in 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,080 Coogee. I like being at home in the 8 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,240 studio, but yeah, no, I'm, I've been down in Sydney. 9 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:24,880 We've got a a big week here at Red Bull headquarters talking 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,760 about all the all the marketing plans and sales plans for next 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,720 year. So it's a it's a busy week, but 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,840 an exciting week. You're, you're doing your real 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,560 job at the moment, whereas I'm actually got, I've got three 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,440 weeks off. I'm, I'm a bit listless. 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,840 I'm a bit directionless. I'm for people that listen to 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,440 the radio show. I've got three weeks off. 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,040 So I'm, I've just literally today, the reason we're doing 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,200 this today is because I've just got off the ferry from Stratty. 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,400 I've just had three nights over on Stradbroke Island with the 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,160 kids and lands and, and just relaxing and trying to turn the 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:54,760 brain off. Oh. 22 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,040 My, that's I, I shouldn't whinge 'cause I was out for a whole 23 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,960 holiday the week before, but I'm gonna whinge anyway and that 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,160 sounds amazing. Anytime you can get lost. 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,480 What's strady like at the moment? 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,840 Is it busy at this time of year when it's not school holidays? 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,920 No, it's beautiful. So if people who've never been 28 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,800 to Australia before and I act, I'll talk about it like I'm a 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,320 local and I've been there twice, but it is one of the great 30 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,080 camping trips. We we now put it down as a as a 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 yearly thing for the family and cylinders beach. 32 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:29,480 It's got everything you'd want out of a out of a campground 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,120 without having too much like when you go camping. 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Courtney ILO, you and the Atkinson crew like to get 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,800 proper, proper rugged. You guys like to go as far away 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,360 from Wi-Fi signal as you we can. We aren't, we aren't that, but I 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,360 still don't like to go to campgrounds where it's basically 38 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,240 a hotel. We won't glamp. 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,040 We we want to set the tent up. We want to get dirty. 40 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,880 We want to, you know, have to use the camp. 41 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,840 So that sort of stuff and cylinders beach is one of the 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,480 for people that haven't been there, it's a right hand point 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,200 break like it's a it's a right hand Bay, a bit like a lot of 44 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,960 the classic ones you see on the Gold Coast. 45 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:13,040 It's got these beautiful calm sand section and the water's a 46 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 beautiful temperature even in the middle of winter. 47 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,920 But the other thing about going at this time of year is it's A, 48 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,320 it's the M, it's the whale M1. It is a whale highway. 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,360 You can just sit there and just spot humpbacks on the way up to 50 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,840 give, but it is unbelievable. So you saw a few whales out 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,960 there. It's a beautiful part of the 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,360 world. Oh. 53 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,960 The yeah, I think they said this, there's a sign one of the 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,680 cafes has like the whale count, they reckon that last year's 55 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 count was 4280 something and this year the count's been about 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 4000. So, so many whales. 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,960 And if you do the gorge walk, there's turtles, there's 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,360 dolphins. It is like for growing up in 59 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,080 Adelaide where the only thing you're probably going to spot in 60 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,080 the ocean is a great white going to strategy and, and, and being 61 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,240 being able to see all this stuff just, you know, 100 metres 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,920 offshore is, it's incredible. It's so cool. 63 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:05,560 Yeah, there's those. When I was doing a bit of 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,880 tourism work over there, there's AI, forgot what they call it, 65 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,560 but effectively it's the big Manda Ray station out there. 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,840 So the cleaning station, you can go, I don't know, it might only 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,800 be 500 metres offshore to where you see those rocks out kind of 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,600 to the the north of cylinders. You drop in the water there and 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,240 you can dive down and literally be with the big Manda rays 70 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,520 swimming along, right. They also tell me that area 71 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,960 there is a bit of a shark highway if you go a little bit 72 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,560 further out with the current. But you know, mate, that's what 73 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,200 goes with, hey, talking about sea life, have you heard what's 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,200 going on at Noosa at the moment with the croc siding? 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,960 No. Yes. 76 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,360 No. Yes. 77 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,480 So there's been multiple croc sidings in the Noosa River, the 78 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,240 one that's like so parks I know have been out there looking for 79 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,240 it. But what happened was there was 80 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,960 a guy down walk and his dog saw what he thought was a croc that 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,240 morning or he thought it was a stick and then realised it was 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,360 moving, cited it as a croc. Same day, a guy in his boat with 83 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,200 his fish Finder saw what looked like a crocodile underneath his 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,399 fish Finder and they've got the P picture of it in the news and 85 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,200 literally you can see it kind of snaking along. 86 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,519 Now he wouldn't have thought anything. 87 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,480 What what about it? Except he'd heard that they'd 88 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 cited, you know, a croc down there thing. 89 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,120 So interesting. They wouldn't normally come that 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,160 far South, but it sounds like I don't know. 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,040 We'll find out, I assume, because if it's there, they'll 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,560 eventually find it. I don't like that. 93 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,600 I don't like that because for people that live in the 94 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,800 southeast, right, the Brisbane River is basically anybody's 95 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,400 guess what's under there, but it is it is the brown snake is 96 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,240 called that for a reason. You got buckleys have ever seen 97 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680 anything in there? Now if Crocs start making their 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,800 way into it, just write the city off. 99 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Move the city. The city's cooked. 100 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,400 If crocodiles make the Brisbane River, Brisbane as a city should 101 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,840 give the Olympics back. That place you, you cannot have 102 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,680 crocodiles living in the main waterway of an Olympic city. 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,960 It's done right. As dirty as the Sen was in Paris 104 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,360 last year, for all the diseases that athletes and the 105 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,640 triathletes and the ocean swimmers might have caught in 106 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,360 the Sen last year, at least they weren't getting chomped by 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,240 salties. If salties make the Brisbane 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 River, cancel the Olympic Games, right? 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,720 And if they do make the Brisbane River, it is a matter of days 110 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,280 until they make their way into the Tally Creek in Crumming 111 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,240 Creek. And at that point, I'm leaving, 112 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,080 I'm heading back, S I'm out of the Gulf. 113 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,480 I was going to say they get to, but mate, we're all stuffed. 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,360 But yeah, we'll find out. I mean, there's often sightings, 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920 you know, at different spots. I've heard of them of Fraser, 116 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,960 north of Fraser as well, but you never really find out. 117 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,760 But interesting news anyway for the morning. 118 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,000 Stradbroke or some crocodiles. Not good running though. 119 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,800 Let's talk about the big story. And I reckon it probably broke 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 not long after we dropped last week's episode. 121 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,280 So apologies if you listened to last week's EP and you thought 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,240 maybe we might have talked about it then. 123 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Her name is Ruth. Ruth Chip Getich, apologies if I 124 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 haven't nailed that exactly. Ruth kept Chip Getich, who is 125 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:22,040 the Kenyan marathon superstar who has been suspended for 126 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,760 testing positive to drugs. Courtney, your thoughts? 127 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,360 Well, sometimes when it's too good to be true, it's too good 128 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,240 to be true. Hey, so let's be clear. 129 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,360 She has been suspended and at this stage she's got a diuretic 130 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,680 in the system which acts as a masking agent. 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Now what I did find really interesting, I saw an article on 132 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 them going through and when you say like, well, hang on, it's a 133 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,320 diuretic. They haven't found any 134 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,720 performance enhancing drugs in the system. 135 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,560 The diuretic normally they actually, I might go into the 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,520 name of it, whatever it was, but the, the particular diuretic 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,640 they said normally they'll pick up at a factor of 20 or a figure 138 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,800 of 20. And she had and don't quote me 139 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,480 on this, but I think 3400 as a dosage, I haven't. 140 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,160 So no idea what that means. By the way, just quickly, I have 141 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,920 no idea what that means. We're not, we're not insinuating 142 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,320 anything here. But that seems to be like, 143 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,880 that's a lot of that diuretic in your system for it to be 144 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,000 natural. For fun fact, for people playing 145 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,360 along that might not understand diuretics, remember this is what 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,040 Warney actually got done with when he was playing cricket and 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,520 he said he took it for weight loss reasons. 148 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,480 He says he took one of his mum's diuretics for for weight loss 149 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,440 reasons 'cause he wanted to drop some water weight. 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,640 But to go to Elite Performance Enhancing, as Courtney said, you 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,920 take diuretics potentially to mask other performance enhancing 152 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,880 drugs. The thing that she was 153 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,040 provisionally suspended for, she tested positive for was 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,920 something called hydrochlorothiazide or thiazide, 155 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,120 which is a diuretic listed on the World Anti Doping Agency's 156 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,760 prohibited substance list, as you said, due to its potential 157 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,960 reduce to mask for performance in housing drugs. 158 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,280 I think, and don't quote me on this, if anybody wants to go out 159 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,320 there and do the research, I think if you go back this when 160 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,520 she ran the Chicago Marathon in 2024 last year, this is where 161 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,560 she set the new world record. We talked about it on one of our 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,640 very early episodes, and I think at the time we had, the 163 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,880 conversation we had was, I hope it's true. 164 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,559 I hope it's not because around the same time we also had a 165 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,080 conversation about the increasing number of Kenyan 166 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,200 athletes that were being suspended having tested positive 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,000 to these sort of things. Now, what we said at the time 168 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,840 after Ruth's victory was, wow, what an incredible performance. 169 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,120 What a leap forward for women's marathon times. 170 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:55,720 I really hope it's authentic. Now we get to what, 10 months on 171 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,800 and something like this comes out. 172 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,480 Now, the test was from March this year, so it wasn't after 173 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 the Chicago Marathon. It was, you know what, 6 months 174 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,880 after the fact. But you can go with the old 175 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,120 Where there's smoke, there's fire theory, and this positive 176 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,960 test can do nothing but cast doubt on everything she's 177 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,440 achieved in the last 12 months. Yeah. 178 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,080 Was that, did you read that, that the test was that far 179 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,080 after? Yeah, OK, I'm going to take your 180 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,680 word for that. I thought it was closer. 181 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,080 But anyway, look, provisionally suspended, right. 182 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,800 So there'll be more to hear on all of this, obviously, but it's 183 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,360 disappointing, isn't it, when you you get these great 184 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,560 performances and then finally it comes out that, you know, 185 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,160 there's a a reality to maybe some of the underbelly of, you 186 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,760 know, these professional endurance sports. 187 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:49,960 At times. Her interesting also was her 188 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:56,160 manager or her agent is the same agent that there's another few 189 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,080 Kenyans or not just a few. There was a number of Kenyans 190 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,520 who also have been pinged over the years from that same agent. 191 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,880 So, but as they say, maybe sometimes where there's smoke, 192 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,960 there's fire, Hey. Well, let me ask you this do you 193 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,200 prior to Lance Armstrong getting done, did you think cycling was 194 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,920 the Tour de France was a clean sport? 195 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,560 I was probably too young and naive to think either or, but I 196 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,200 was a believer. Yeah, for sure I was a believer. 197 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,160 I was an Armstrong believer. I was full on all in. 198 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,440 So was I, and I reckon if anybody other than those really 199 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,480 close to him or the sport tell you otherwise, they're just 200 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,760 trying to be on the right side of history. 201 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,120 We're all caught up in the hysteria. 202 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:47,240 He hey, don't take away, aside from his cheating, what he did 203 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,600 for cancer cannot be denied. That man raised maybe more money 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,800 than anybody in the history of the planet for cancer with that 205 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Livestrong movement. That was incredible. 206 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:57,920 You can't take that away from him. 207 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,960 But do you look at Tour de France and cycling now and 208 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,200 believe that it's a clean sport? Like off the back of that, I 209 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,960 find it difficult to look at professional cycling, the Tour 210 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,640 de France every year with a, with a clear mindset. 211 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,560 I, I just because of all that, I now just look at the sport as 212 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:17,640 being tainted borderline permanently. 213 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,200 I'd agree. I'd agree. 214 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,440 I mean, I, I have no idea what what's going, what goes on or 215 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,640 what's going on. But you know, I think for most 216 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,920 of us in let's call it more the outside European world. 217 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 So the Americans, Australia, you know, we're on the outside of 218 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,840 the European cycling that's been, you know, going on for 219 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,120 centuries. I think that was the big wake up 220 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,680 call from all of us. Like even, you know, more 221 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,000 mainstream. You obviously had the Festina 222 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Festina, what was the watch brand Festiva Festina. 223 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 But you know what I mean? It was the blue, the teams that, 224 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,000 you know, were getting busted and, you know, the police were 225 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,400 raiding that one tour and, you know, going across France, you 226 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,640 know, all that happened. And I think it was, you know, in 227 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,560 within sports and cycling in you. 228 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,360 But it really, well, it probably didn't go too mainstream at that 229 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,280 time, but Armstrong brought cycling to the mainstream. 230 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:10,080 And yeah, you're right. Like, you know, it's not so much 231 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,280 that you'd go you'd right or wrong, but you'd always question 232 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,080 it from then on. So the reason I bring that up, 233 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,600 to bring it back to where we are at the moment with Ruth and with 234 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,960 running, with these other athletes that are provisionally 235 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,600 suspended. My worry is that this boom of 236 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,360 marathon running, this bubble that we're experiencing now 237 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,240 where running's never been more popular, suddenly gets 238 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,720 prematurely burst because these athletes at the pointy end of 239 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,560 the sport, we have that Lance Armstrong moment. 240 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:47,360 We have that crash back down to earth because suddenly a report 241 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 comes out exposing everybody at the pointy end. 242 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Yeah, I mean, I, I think I'd challenge that to a degree. 243 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Like it'd be interesting if we asked Bronte if she knew about 244 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,080 the world women's marathon record, you know, as as, as a, 245 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,840 you know, let's say as a mid Packer in the marathon at the 246 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Gold Coast. Do you even know? 247 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,400 Yeah, we've already talked about do you even know who wins the 248 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 marathon on the day of your race when you're running the 249 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,640 marathon? The next question I'd ask is do 250 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,080 they, do you actually then look at social media enough to be 251 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,520 getting, you know, the algorithm spamming you with this 252 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,760 information? I'm not sure. 253 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,000 Or is or if you're a runner in the mid pack and you're 254 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,320 following certain people around running, do you just get kind of 255 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,160 the algorithm feeding you information at that level? 256 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,320 I can't tell you that I can't. Tell the point it is that no, 257 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,280 but but that does bring it back to the idea that we we discussed 258 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,680 this notion before that the difference with marathoning as 259 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:51,040 opposed to other sports where people actively support the best 260 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,360 of the best that level of fandom and fellowship doesn't actually 261 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,720 exist in marathon running. It's almost too disassociated. 262 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 We don't connect that in that same way that we do it. 263 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,600 The elite and the people who, you know, want to go out and run 264 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:06,920 a. Marathon. 265 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,280 I mean, it would be an interesting question to ask 266 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,880 someone like who do we know? So like your your new best 267 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,760 friend Andy Buchanan. And Oh, my new mate, Andy 268 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Buchanan. I know he, I was listening to 269 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Tim Vincent's podcast Journey Man, Andy's up training with Tim 270 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Vincent at the moment in Cairns. They're doing their marathon 271 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,720 prep up there. You know, it'd be interesting to 272 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,120 know when you're at the pointy end like they are at the moment 273 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,240 and they see this happen, how does that then affect them in 274 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,000 their fields? Because it's pretty much like, I 275 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 know it's all, it's all it's a women that it's happened in, but 276 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,880 the reality is the top of the tree in their sport that they're 277 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,760 trying to compete in is getting busted. 278 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,880 You know, how does that kind of make you react when that's your 279 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,760 livelihood, that's what you're racing, and then you've got to 280 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,480 go out and compete against, let's say, that type of field? 281 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Anyone ever get done doing drugs while you were competing at the 282 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,520 pointy end of triathlon? Fugot pinned here and there, no 283 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,440 one really close to me in the sense of like while I was 284 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,920 racing, someone I raced the week before got busted. 285 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,800 But you know, definitely over time in triathlon there were 286 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,280 some, I think more recently there's been some more high 287 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,040 profile ones in Iron Man. Not this year, but over the past 288 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,240 few years. It's endurance sport, right? 289 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:28,680 And as soon as you got money involved, some people are going 290 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,440 to try and take shortcuts. Let me ask you another question 291 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,600 about your triathlon career. Was there ever a point where 292 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,480 beginning at the end, I'm imagining while you're in the 293 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,120 middle, in your heyday, you didn't experience this because 294 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,360 you were one of the best in the world. 295 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,520 But in the beginning or at the end, did you ever have a moment 296 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,360 during a race or an event where you kind of just went, I can't 297 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,000 go with that bloke. He he. 298 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,160 This is Men V boys type stuff. Yeah, not to be honest, not 299 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,440 often, but Alastair Brownlee was the one for sure that I raced 300 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,800 against. So the bread who won obviously 301 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 won the gold medal in beige, not Beijing, won the gold medal in 302 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,680 the London Olympics. Now he he was at a level. 303 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,280 So I raced him in his very first kind of like breakout race at 304 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,240 like a World Cup level. So that was world class level at 305 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,960 a race. But before you went to the World 306 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Series and he came out, we're racing in roads in Greece, on 307 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,880 the on one of the Greek islands. And he, I think, I don't know, 308 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,520 it was his first race, but it was definitely his first kind of 309 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,480 outing at that type of level. And he broke away on the bike as 310 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,000 a young kid. I was running the best in the 311 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,240 field that day and I think I ran into third place. 312 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,640 But him and a Kiwi, a New Zealander, Chris Gammell, broke 313 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,760 away and stayed away in that race. 314 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,920 And like, I remember it really well because I was running the 315 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,240 best. I should have won the race, but 316 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,800 I got beaten by the, you know, this young kid because he just 317 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,320 had the nuts to give it to us and break get out there. 318 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,520 And then I went on to obviously race him a lot. 319 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,440 But there was times when he got so confident in his swim, bike 320 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,880 and run ability, he'd run out at a pace and put like a minute 321 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,160 into the best in the world. And at that point you're just 322 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,839 like, I don't know what more I can do. 323 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,359 I don't have a minute up my sleeve. 324 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Like you always think maybe I can improve 20 seconds, you 325 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,200 know, maybe if I can improve 30 seconds if I'm really, you know, 326 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,920 but sometimes a minute was just out of the ballpark. 327 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,120 So for me, he was definitely the one guy that I raced that I 328 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,800 never really got like I, I can get this guy today. 329 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Great story and the reason I ask is because I think the Gold 330 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Coast sons have found their Alistair Brownlee in the 331 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,280 Adelaide OHH. I know that we were talking them 332 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,040 up so hard. Yeah, no, we've got a little 333 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,320 attachment of the the Gold Coast Suns here in the beginning 334 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,760 because obviously I call a lot of their footy games and I got 335 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,080 to call their incredible win over Collingwood first. 336 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,360 They have a Friday night game in the history of the club the 337 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,280 other week. Amazing to get to call that. 338 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,000 It was a historical moment for the club. 339 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,960 It was a great game and a huge win for Damien Hardwick and the 340 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,680 Suns. Then they go away and it was 341 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,240 boys V men stuff against the Adelaide Crows. 342 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,000 They got done by 61 points in the end and that and that was 343 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,640 probably flattering them. They were nowhere near the 344 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,280 standard of the Adelaide Crows and, you know, we know they're 345 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,760 head of high performance riggers and I can't imagine the 346 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,200 conversations he would have been having behind closed doors with 347 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,680 Damien Hardwick this week because they were simply at. 348 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,720 The pace, the irony is I actually know both high 349 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,960 performance managers from the teams very well. 350 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,720 So so Darren Burgess is the high performance manager for the 351 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,320 Crows. I was going to say it's Darren 352 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Burgess. He was over at the D, first met 353 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,360 him over at the D's. He's been around Red Bull for a 354 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,920 long time. So when Red Bull had a 355 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 partnership with the D's, he was high performance manager in a 356 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,200 year he took them, Well, not him. 357 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,440 I mean he's the high performance manager, but the team and the 358 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,400 coaches took the DS from literally the wooden spooners to 359 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,000 win the premiership. The following year he moved over 360 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,080 to the Crows. So like, I followed their 361 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,560 progress just as closely as the Gold Coast. 362 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,600 Put it this way, I haven't spoken to either this week. 363 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,800 I'll leave, I'll leave, I'll leave. 364 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,040 Resting ducks be Resting ducks because you know, yeah, they did 365 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,320 give them a good fog. But I'm sure, I'm sure the Gold 366 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,360 Coaster are. Who have they got this weekend? 367 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,600 Are you calling the game out there? 368 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,800 It's the Q clash. It's the it's Q clash, so it's, 369 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,120 it's, it's Gold Coast V Brisbane. 370 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,920 Just going back to Darren Burgess for a moment because I 371 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,560 believe he spent a bit of time with Liverpool over in the EPL 372 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240 at one stage. Yeah, it was one. 373 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,560 Definitely an EPL team. Well. 374 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,640 Maybe it was one of the. I should know that. 375 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,440 The high performance manager IP stuff, is that what's that 376 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,240 environment like? You would have dealt with a 377 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,960 little bit obviously as an athlete, but as you say, Darren 378 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Burgess is a gun for hire to some extent. 379 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,800 But how, how, how differing is the knowledge of 1 high 380 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,200 performance manager to the other? 381 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Yeah, same as Arsenal. Over at Arsenal, at the EPLI, 382 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,480 think the beauty in Australia is with high performance. 383 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,360 There's no real secrets in the sense of it. 384 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,000 The information's readily available to everyone. 385 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,240 There is a difference of how I've noticed in these team like, 386 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,640 you know, in the football codes and not just AFL, but all the 387 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,640 football codes, different teams approach fitness, let's say very 388 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,400 differently. So even, you know, years and 389 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,480 years ago I went up and got inside for the day, the Cowboys 390 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,520 up in North Queensland in the rugby league and went in and had 391 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,760 a chat to their team and kind of got a handle on a little bit of 392 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,200 how they trained and what fitness type of things they were 393 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720 doing and, and known different people in the programme. 394 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,360 And you know, how they would approach their fitness and what 395 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,200 they thought they would need, you know, differ to some of the 396 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,400 other teams. So yes, they have different 397 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,760 approaches, but the basis of where they're drawing their 398 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,320 information from and the experts are all the same. 399 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,600 But what you do see, I think, is once you've had success, I can 400 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,720 see how, you know, success breeds success, right? 401 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,680 And once you know, you know how to unlock it. 402 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,920 Once I think that's where you see, you know, those in that 403 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,680 type of space manage to go from team to team and generally be 404 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,440 able to, you know, build some success on top of what they've 405 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,400 done when they know how to do. It sure now look but well, from 406 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,120 from a Gold Coast Suns perspective, it was men V boys 407 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,880 stuff last week. This week against the Lions will 408 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,120 be very interesting because I think the Lions have now put 409 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,600 themselves in a position where, I mean, finals is basically 410 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,440 guaranteed and they're almost at the point where they can start 411 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,120 to manage players through to the end of the season. 412 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,360 So it's kind of a question of I'll be very interested to see, 413 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,880 depending on when you listen to this, how that game played out 414 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,000 and whether it was Brisbane opting to have a bigger picture 415 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,680 towards finals or whether both teams are all in given it's the 416 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,520 local Derby. Can I take it back to running 417 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,480 for a moment? Because I think on last week's 418 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,480 podcast, I told people about the story of Earl. 419 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Now Earl was the fella that if you remember, I managed to catch 420 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,640 in the finishing shoot of the Gold Coast Marathon. 421 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,240 I got an update from somebody who listens to the podcast melts 422 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760 to 85. Shout out Melanie Long, who 423 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:44,160 listens to the podcast and she rode she she ran the Gold Coast 424 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,080 Marathon. She said she rode the bus and 425 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,400 she's actually targeting Melbourne or Sydney. 426 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,560 So she's looking, she's on, she's got the bug, she's on 427 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,600 board. But she listened to last week's 428 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,320 episode and she said, I just listened to your podcast now and 429 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,200 heard the mention of Earl. I was a few people ahead of him 430 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,040 and we plague tag most of the way throughout the run. 431 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,040 He added me on Strava and turned out he was in hospital for two 432 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:13,920 days after the marathon. So poor old Earl, who staggered 433 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,120 home in about 5 1/2 hours in this marathon, spent the 434 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:22,240 following two days after the Gold Coast Marathon in hospital. 435 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080 On the upside, we might have any listener Courtney, because Mel 436 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,360 said I've just messaged him to listen to the podcast if he. 437 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,320 Hasn't. Oh well, hopefully he's 438 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,920 recovered now and getting back, but that's crazy. 439 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,960 I wonder what did she what? It was just exhaustion. 440 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,400 Or we don't know. We don't know. 441 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,840 I assume so. I don't know. 442 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,440 You must have been that dehydrated. 443 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,760 I'm here old plenty at the moment of runners or you know, 444 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,400 some of the runners I know who ran at the Gold Coast Marathon, 445 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,480 they're in that phase, in the phase of like, I'm back running. 446 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320 But Gee, I feel heavy. Gee, I feel heavy. 447 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,400 What should I do? Should I keep jogging? 448 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,920 Should I? You know, you know, and the 449 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,240 answer is you've got to just take it easy, right? 450 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Listen to the body. But yeah, there's a lot of that 451 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,680 going around at the moment. Few injuries floating around off 452 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,120 the back of it as well. Hey, let me ask you this 453 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:15,000 question because I mean, we've talked about strength training a 454 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,360 lot on this pod, particularly with how good my calves are 455 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,640 going and with the injury rehab you've been doing with your hip. 456 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,160 How do you re enter strength training? 457 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,080 What would be your advice? How would you, I know you only 458 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,680 like speaking about yourself personally. 459 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,320 How do you re enter a strength training protocol? 460 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,520 The reason, And let me tell you why I came back to leg weights 461 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,320 last week. I had been, it's been a little 462 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,840 while since I'd done any sort of rural league training. 463 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600 So I jumped back in and let me tell you what I did. 464 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,840 I did some body weight Bulgarian split squats, one set of 465 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Bulgarian weight body weight split squats. 466 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,400 Then I went three sets with 7K dumbbells. 467 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,560 Then I did somebody weight box jumps. 468 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:10,120 I did A25K goblet squat, I did calf raises with body weights 469 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,400 into 10K calf raises straight leg. 470 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,240 Now Courtney. I've only just recovered and 471 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,880 that was about 10 days. Actually started with Bulgarian 472 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,360 split squats. Made it sound like you knew what 473 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,040 you were talking about, Liam. That went over my head at least. 474 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800 Anyway, we are. I mean, yeah, you're going to 475 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,320 get sore that first time, right? And I think, I think our analogy 476 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320 around the walk run, getting back into training is very 477 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,280 similar. I think you don't want to do 478 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,960 back to back days, right? That's also the the, the first 479 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,120 thing. But you are going to get sore 480 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,200 the first time you lift. And if you haven't done it in a 481 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,560 long time, that's the reality of it. 482 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,120 You recover from it. I think, you know, when I think 483 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,920 if you take strength training and the way it works where you 484 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,640 know, you, you lift, you generally get some soreness from 485 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,840 that. You allow yourself to recover, 486 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,120 then you come back and you lift that little bit heavy or 487 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,160 progress in some way and then recover again. 488 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,080 The good thing with that is you feel the soreness. 489 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,480 That's how run training and progression should also be. 490 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600 The difference is you don't always feel that same soreness, 491 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,560 but you nearly need to treat it the same way. 492 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,480 So I think that if you can understand like how you go 493 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,960 through strength training, it's a great guide also to know how 494 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400 to approach running at the same time. 495 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,360 There is no difference. I, I feel your pain, Liam, 496 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,960 because I started squatting. I got, I got the old squat bar 497 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,680 out last week as well. And like I say, I never do what 498 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,640 I preach. I know what you should be doing, 499 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,360 but I've been doing it every day and you know, it's started off, 500 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,280 you know, 40 kilos next day just out of five. 501 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,400 So not, not super heavy yet, but I've been lifting about 65K. 502 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,960 But I've got a few days in Sydney just to kind of give 503 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280 myself a three day break and then I'll get back into it. 504 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,880 But I do have, you know, some aspiration to get some strength 505 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,400 back, you know, and get back into the weights a bit more. 506 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,920 Also, I'm I'm glad I've jumped back into it because I'm now 507 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,800 back on the longer run programme and as I mentioned last step, I 508 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,720 want to get this 10K time down. So I'm trying to build that slow 509 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,120 15K is kind of my base run. I want that really slow steady 510 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,800 zone TO15K run to be a really base run for me. 511 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240 I actually went for a really nice one out on Stratty. 512 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280 I jump back into the. I can't remember what the model 513 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,640 is, but the Salomon Hail Damage shoes as I've been calling them 514 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,040 with the golf ball dimples and the. 515 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,280 Ultra Glide three that would be. Now, I didn't have a lot of I 516 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,480 don't think they were the ultra glides. 517 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800 I thought they were a different model anyway, the hail damage 518 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,440 shoes people remember now last time. 519 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,920 This is only the second or third run I'd been for those and I did 520 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,760 one which the loop up in the rang, which had a lot more 521 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,640 elevation to it. And I came back telling you how 522 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,200 I didn't feel like the shoes were very responsive. 523 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,600 It was kind of very flat and didn't feel much when I ran. 524 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,880 I ran A17K run it on Stratty in them on a fire trail that had 525 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720 little to no elevation. Yeah, right. 526 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Amazing shoe. Awesome shoe to run flat on It 527 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,120 was he? Loved it, he is. 528 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,080 I mean, that's good to hear that you were loving running in them. 529 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Here's a a retake, I suppose. And I think we talked about this 530 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,280 earlier and now I've got absolute zero evidence. 531 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,600 This is purely subjective. But like I said, I've heard 532 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,880 about a few injuries off the back of the marathon. 533 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,600 I've heard about a number of different things going about 534 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,840 upper leg injuries at the moment. 535 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,760 And I'm still wondering whether all of these built up shoes, you 536 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,760 know, sit really, really high stack rubber shoes are having an 537 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:02,120 impact over time with injuries in new locations in the body. 538 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,040 And when I say that like prevalent injuries in running 539 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560 generally have been lower limb injuries, you know, we're still 540 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 having the calf injuries, but like calves lower, you know, a 541 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,560 lot of stress around the tibia, phibia, lower limbs, knees. 542 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,440 But I'm hearing a lot on the back of what I had around the 543 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,240 hip. I'm hearing a lot more upper 544 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,720 limb injuries at the moment that are related to stress. 545 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,880 And I'm just proposing the question to our listeners. 546 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,960 And is anyone else having similar thoughts? 547 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,720 Are these high stack rubber? Because all shoe brands have now 548 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,120 moved to there, like every, the progression was slower for some 549 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560 brands. Shoe brands, you know, like you 550 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,760 take Salomon, they probably only got to the party in maybe the 551 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,520 last year and a half to get up into this really big stack. 552 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,640 You know, even if you take Asic's, what we've talked about 553 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680 last week at the Gold Coast Marathon, they probably really 554 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600 didn't get into the soft rubber until like I'm going to take a 555 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760 guess about two years ago, Like they they weren't there as quick 556 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,280 as some of the other brands. But all brands now are playing 557 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,720 in this space. And I just wonder, is it 558 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,680 changing everyone's gait? Is it having an effect in some 559 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,880 shape or form that's changing the way maybe especially like 560 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,880 people who have run, you know, over a long time, you know, 561 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,600 we've run 30 years in quite low stacked low drop shoes and then 562 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,520 suddenly over a period of two to three years, we're suddenly 563 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,920 running in arguably stilts. They feel great but I just 564 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,040 wonder what the long term effect of all this is going to be. 565 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480 No doubt they're quicker, but how does that have an effect? 566 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Well, there's a question for the ITB family if you have has 567 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720 anybody who long, long term runners who's who's been running 568 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,200 for a while, have you changed the shoes? 569 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,960 Have you noticed new injuries creeping in and have you gone 570 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080 back to the shoe you used to run in? 571 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,760 Because I guess the point is, as you say, if you're not chasing, 572 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,920 if you're just running to run and for enjoyment, you're not 573 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,280 constantly chasing those PBS or whatever. 574 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440 Why wouldn't you find the shoe that isn't so much about 575 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,480 performance, it's about durability, it's about comfort, 576 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,440 it's about staying injury free. That's the shoe that matters to 577 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,680 you, not that one. That's chasing at time, mind 578 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040 you. On that note, my Nike Alpha 579 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,240 flies, the Elliott Kipchogo special model, are still sitting 580 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 unused. You'll save them for a good day. 581 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:34,080 I mean, the, the, the challenge that's going to happen is over 582 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120 time, you, you can't buy those shoes. 583 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,400 So a lot of the brands, you're not going to get new models of 584 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,640 shoes that are, that are in an older style. 585 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,720 All shoes are moving towards having these higher stack 586 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,320 heights, more rubber. There's going to become a time 587 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440 when you, you, you can't walk it back unless you've got an old 588 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,840 stock of shoes yourself. It's not like the brands are 589 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,720 doing, here's the new kind of shoes models we're doing and 590 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,880 this is where we we, we think we should go, but we're also 591 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,600 stocking some of the old ones. It doesn't work like that. 592 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800 So it'll be, it'll be interesting moving forward. 593 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,840 If history has taught us anything, everything cycles, you 594 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,800 know, the pendulum swings, you know, does it go too far and 595 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120 then come back to the middle? Who knows. 596 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,320 But you know, I'm really interested in this space at the 597 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,320 moment just because I've heard others having similar challenges 598 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840 to maybe what I've gone through in the past six months. 599 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,280 All right there. I'd be really really keen to get 600 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,360 people to send in your voicemail sending you your DMS on the 601 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,440 Instagram account if you're having anything similar. 602 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760 If you know of anybody experiencing some of the things, 603 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,600 and if there are any physios out there, send them in because you 604 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,320 are the ones that are probably seeing correct? 605 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,080 Correct. Correct. 606 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120 We should, we should ask Trent. I've been going to see Trent 607 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,040 getting a few massages lately. So I'm doing everything. 608 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,160 I'm back doing everything. Strength massage. 609 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,160 We're on our way to getting some stuff done. 610 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Courtney, I've got a confession to make and I think you need to 611 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,920 prepare yourself because I I think of caught the. 612 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Bug. Oh, I think I want to do high 613 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640 rocks. We might have to have a 614 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:23,120 conversation then. I think I'm telling us to do 615 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,720 high rocks. 40 minutes. I don't. 616 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,920 Know if it's big no, no and I still want to run fast, but I 617 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,560 don't know what's happened in the last I don't know if whether 618 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,520 it's the post marathon excitement dip but suddenly I'm 619 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,640 finding myself normally first half of the year swipe swipe, 620 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,680 swipe, swipe. I don't want to watch your what 621 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,160 do they call the thing the ski. I don't want to watch your ski 622 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560 crap. I don't want to watch your row. 623 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,200 I don't want to watch your farmers carries. 624 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,400 I don't care Put your shirt back on go away. 625 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,720 Leave me alone. You CrossFit couldn't be right. 626 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,440 That's what I used to think about it. 627 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,560 I don't know what's happened in the last few weeks, Courtney, 628 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,639 but suddenly Hyrox is interesting to me. 629 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,239 Suddenly I am a little, I'm more than a little bit interested. 630 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,199 I'm I think I. Want to compete next year? 631 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,080 Someone competing in Brisbane or Sydney or wherever the last 632 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:26,840 Hyrox was. Who? 633 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,920 What? What have you seen that has made 634 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,400 you go, Ah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tip the scales here. 635 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,719 I've got interest now. Is it the alley cats? 636 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,719 Have you got made tracing? I don't know. 637 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,080 No, I don't. I actually, I mean, I'm sure I 638 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,040 know people who are doing it and I feel like I know what it is 639 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,920 like. It's not like it's anything new 640 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,840 to me. Maybe it's because I haven't 641 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,840 been able to run at like I wanted to in the last three 642 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520 months or so. Maybe it's that haven't been the 643 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,880 chemicals haven't been firing post long run. 644 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,320 I haven't been getting those endorphins rolling. 645 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:10,160 But suddenly I'm sort of thinking maybe I want to do the 646 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680 skier thing. Maybe I want to do the and then 647 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,760 I want to go run really fast for a kilometre and then I want to 648 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,960 do the stuff. I don't know, like I'm, I might 649 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,120 go train this week and try some of those exercises and see how 650 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,880 my body feels, but I don't know what's happened. 651 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,680 I feel like that bug has finally embedded itself in my brain and 652 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,920 I want to explore it a little. Bit you know there's 100,000 653 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,080 athletes who'll do high rocks next year in Australia. 654 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,880 Just in Australia. I hope I've got that figure 655 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,320 correct. I saw it in a document, so 656 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,120 hopefully it's correct. 100,000 people that may be global. 657 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Actually, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go, I'm on the fishing line. 658 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,280 Actually, I'm gonna pull myself back here 'cause that could be 659 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,200 globally. How many athletes raced High 660 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,440 Rocks in Australia in 2025? No, you know what, Courtney? 661 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,240 You wouldn't be. You wouldn't be. 662 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,520 No, it's. 20 no because I'm looking at the chat GBTS telling 663 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,760 me that in 2025 / 20,000 thousand. 664 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,000 Across Australia next year, yeah, this event, this it's it's 665 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,840 trending so hard and you are in you're influenced, you have got 666 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,240 you've been bitten by the influence I can tell you what I 667 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,680 do want to tell you though is get through Noosa. 668 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,840 Get through Noosa so. OK, so I will, and you're right. 669 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,600 Because yeah, I like I am. If if you heard my Brisbane 670 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,080 Marathon rant last week, I can jump on board a bandwagon like 671 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,160 the best of them. Michael Shelley pitched me the 672 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,920 Brisbane Marathon idea and literally within 30 seconds he 673 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000 had me on board waving a banner like I can jump on with the best 674 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,760 of them. I've got to remember that a I've 675 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,200 set myself a target of breaking 40 for 10K. 676 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880 That is goal number one. That is fitless numero Uno right 677 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,280 now. Secondly, it is Noosa Triathlon. 678 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,880 I want to be ready, I want to be fit, I want to actually enjoy my 679 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,440 day out there at the Noosa Triathlon. 680 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,200 That is number 2 I think, on the podium though. 681 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,400 Now suddenly this, this high rocks bug, like our mate Rosie 682 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,160 David Rhodes, Olympian as well, he wants me to go up and run Uta 683 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,720 Kosciusko Hundred with him at the end of November. 684 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560 I've got to be honest right now, if you gave me the option to run 685 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,680 Kozi 100 or do a high rocks event, I'm going to High rocks, 686 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,040 get my shirt off, get me get me in a pair of ONS and I'm doing 687 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,840 some what's. That got to do with high rocks. 688 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,520 Is that what? Is that what you associate with 689 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,960 high they? Seem like a high Roxy. 690 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,440 Sharer and a higher and higher rocks go together. 691 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,760 I think I do. I think I do. 692 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,480 I think I associate. That's people the word on with 693 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,480 high. Rocks I don't I would challenge 694 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,080 that's got enough on and high rocks nowhere near together. 695 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,800 But if that if that's your perception, it's it's it's it's 696 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,560 this is this is market market knowledge. 697 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,920 That's your perception of high rocks with on. 698 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,600 All right, well, let's let's, let's, let's, let's play this 699 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,200 game, right. If you're running along 700 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,800 listening to this, let's play this game. 701 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840 When you picture a high rocks competitor, what are they 702 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,120 wearing on their feet? Because I, I don't. 703 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,280 And I'm sure the, the good athletes, I'm sure like you 704 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,280 know, your James Newberries, who you know, your CrossFit converts 705 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,840 and your Tia Tui Smith. Claire Smith. 706 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,120 Am I saying her name right? I'm sure, I'm, I'm sure those 707 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,720 people at the pointy end of high rocks are wearing your carbon 708 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:46,400 plates, no doubt. But your average punter I'm 709 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,200 expecting to be, you know, in more of a gym shoe than a than a 710 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,720 running shoe. And I guess for some reason in 711 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,800 my head. That's an on the shoe of high 712 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400 rocks. What's the High Rock shoe of 713 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360 choice? Maybe I'm getting, maybe I'm 714 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,240 getting on an Under Armour. I would have maybe I'm probably 715 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,680 an Under Armour closer, but no, Puma is actually the the partner 716 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,200 and and make make the shoes really funny enough. 717 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200 Like we're talking about high stack height before to the 718 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,840 audience and and the the high rocks athletes do wear the high, 719 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200 the high stack carbon shoes, which is I mean, it makes sense 720 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,440 for the running, right, But I would have thought it would be 721 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920 challenging in some of the activities, the strength 722 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,640 activities they do then to be that high stacked. 723 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,320 But obviously, I mean, I've never raced one. 724 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,600 Obviously it still skews way more towards running. 725 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,520 So that shoes helping them way more in the run environment. 726 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560 But yeah, they do wear this other. 727 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,560 So yes you are right, the carbon plates and high stack heights 728 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,400 yes and Puma is what you should associate with with high rocks. 729 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,800 One more thing about high rocks, because as I said, it's just 730 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,760 jumped into my brain a little bit at the moment. 731 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,000 It's living there. Who knows if I'll go anywhere 732 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,600 with it? I have two other priorities 733 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,000 ahead of it. But one thing is, does it not 734 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,480 feel like to you? I don't know how much it pops up 735 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,680 on your feet, but it feels like to me, everybody wins. 736 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,800 It it sort of like I feel like every, if I feel like everybody 737 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,440 I know who's done high rolls, yeah, it's it's somehow won 738 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,760 their age. Group as a business model, isn't 739 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,920 it, where everyone kind of has a chance to win something in their 740 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,320 age group or, you know, on the same weekend, you get someone 741 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,960 who erase their age group as an individual and then pop up in a 742 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,080 mixed team in an age group. And then there's elite men, 743 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,120 there's yeah, the open men. They use a different weight. 744 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480 And then yeah, I mean, it's hard to keep up. 745 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,240 But whatever they're doing, they're doing it right as a 746 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,160 model. You know what? 747 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,000 It's very similar to triathlon age group World Championships 748 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,440 where they split it into not only do you have the each age 749 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,760 category of, you know, like, you know, 25 to 2930 to 35. 750 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,400 So they split all the ages up and then they say you can raise 751 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,040 Sprint distance, you can raise Olympic distance. 752 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,040 You know, so they keep bolstering the numbers by 753 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,160 offering more and catering to more and more events, more and 754 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,560 more ages. But you know what, good on them. 755 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480 Because what it does is it encourages and motivates a lot 756 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,080 of people to stay in these sports in older age groups. 757 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,600 If, if anything, at some stage you look forward to going to the 758 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,600 next age group, in what? In what other area do you 759 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,960 actually look forward to getting older? 760 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,280 So right now, seriously, and I've got a bone to pick about 761 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,640 this because I reckon at 40, I am in the worst age group. 762 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:02,760 Like my I right now it with this whole boom in fitness, the 40 to 763 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,240 44 or the 39 to 44 age bracket, it's Olympic standard. 764 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,920 It's insane how good the athletes in that age bracket 765 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,640 are. And I don't know whether it's 766 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,560 because you've got like the elites who are still performing 767 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,360 an elite evil that have just aged up or you're also mixing in 768 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600 suddenly these late bloomers who found this thing like, but it 769 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,120 is, it is a nightmare. You know how at every World Cup, 770 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Australia always seems to find itself in the group of death 771 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,600 because we put ourselves against the three best teams in the 772 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,280 world. That is what the 39 to 44 year 773 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,080 age bracket is in men's amateur sport. 774 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,840 It is the group of death. There is no way out of it. 775 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,880 Yeah, I reckon it's pretty. I reckon that also there'd be a 776 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,640 few in there who've kind of, you know, worked pretty hard their 777 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,360 whole life, had kids and then and then see the light at the 778 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,560 end of the tunnel and then suddenly they've got all this 779 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,720 time on their hands. You know, kids have maybe left 780 00:42:55,720 --> 00:43:01,040 school, yeah, got a bit of time away from work and start 781 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,000 training semi professionally again. 782 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,680 What we've got, what we've got to look forward to. 783 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,240 Well, no, no, but that's the thing, Courtney, because by the 784 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,920 time I go into that next age bracket, the 44 and up, I've 785 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,200 probably lost, like, enthusiasm for it. 786 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,280 I'm probably playing golf now, Courtney. 787 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,960 I'm probably. And then I'm out there on the 788 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,160 golf course going. Why are all these golf course 789 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,440 golfers in their late 40s amazing when I took the sport up 790 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,080 six months ago and they're so much better than me? 791 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,280 Yeah. But here's a bombshell for you. 792 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,000 I've always talked about my disdain or dislike to golf. 793 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,840 I actually played golf on the week. 794 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,160 I played golf on Sunday afternoon, had a hit, a family, 795 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,360 a family round of golf and I was out at Royal Pines. 796 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,360 The family did say to me, oh, we'll go out to the back nine at 797 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840 Royal Pines. You know, it's the easy 9, not 798 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360 much sand. It was like playing in the 799 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,800 bloody Sahara. There was bunkers. 800 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000 There was more sand than there was grass. 801 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,880 And when there wasn't sand, there was water. 802 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,280 However, I did see a little bit of light going. 803 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,920 You know what I can see the appeal, the outdoor appeal here 804 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,320 on a Sunday afternoon. It was a nice arvo sun's out. 805 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,480 It was a relaxing experience. I was actually hitting the ball 806 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,160 OK too. So that probably helped. 807 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,440 But I'm not going to turn into a golfer. 808 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,880 But like you and high rocks, I think I put a toe in the water. 809 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,160 Oh. Is it? 810 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,720 Yeah, there's maybe a little itch to be scratched at a later 811 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,160 date. Do you know what's interesting 812 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,480 about this? As we talk about high rocks and 813 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,720 we talk about golf and we talk about running, there's a common 814 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,920 theme. Courtney non contact no one 815 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,640 wants to touch the contact stuff like the the middle ground 816 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,960 middle ground contact is is gone right? 817 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,280 You think about it because every all these non contact sports are 818 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,840 booming and then there's nothing in the mid ground. 819 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600 And then at the opposite end of the spectrum, the contact 820 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,280 spectrum, we've got the Run it competitions where it's just one 821 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,240 pure contact moment from 2 massive Islander blokes who want 822 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,200 to knock each other. Out. 823 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,640 Oh, you're talking about what is it? 824 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,080 Run it straight. Run it, run it straight. 825 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,200 Yeah, it is wild. You know what? 826 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,960 It's also wild. Have you seen on YouTube some of 827 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,040 that backyard boxing, so like Dan, Dan Hooker from the UFC 828 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,000 over in New Zealand and that they like put 50 grand up in the 829 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,880 backyard and they just get into it quick, quick succession 830 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,040 boxing. I mean, entertainment, value, 831 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,480 everything going around. But yeah, sorry go, I just got 832 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,800 side sidetracked. No, it's I tried to I was I that 833 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,440 I was going to ask you what you think the future of because as 834 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,320 we talk about high rocks and marathoning and the boom in 835 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,240 these sports, do you think run it that that professional 836 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,720 league? How long do you think it lasts? 837 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,840 Do you think it? Survives. 838 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,800 No, I don't think it survives. I think it's I think it's a 839 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,520 quick trend that one. I think it's a quick trend. 840 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,040 It's similar to and I know it's still going and I know it gets a 841 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,600 lot of here's here's how we can look at it. 842 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,080 So because I was thinking about you got UFC and then they have 843 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,720 the what's it called the slap. Don't know the exact name. 844 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,600 For it, yeah, Slap league or the. 845 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,280 Slap league literally like what were you talking about? 846 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,680 Yeah like slap each other in the face until 1 drops. 847 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,360 I think with those styles of competition and the run at 848 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,640 straight work, they're perfect for social media clips. 849 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,160 So they garnish a lot of attention because it's a, it's a 850 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,440 1 trick pony. You get like big impact. 851 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,360 It's like over in three seconds and then you move on to the next 852 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,520 thing and it gets a lot of hits, it gets a lot of lights, it gets 853 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,160 a lot of attention. How long until that just gets so 854 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,840 repetitive that you know there's no more interest in it? 855 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,200 It's not like a game, it's not like a fight. 856 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,680 It's a, it's a sugar fix. It's a it's, it's a sugar fix 857 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,560 for for the user, it's a sugar fix for the audience. 858 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,000 It's like bang. And then interest goes away. 859 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,760 Interestingly, and this is where we're weaving off from how we 860 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,320 always do starting talking about some running and some sport and 861 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,040 now we're talking about content and audience behaviour. 862 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,360 But interestingly, this we're talking about this in a week and 863 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,960 in a time where Stephen Colbert, who hosts a late night show in 864 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,800 the US on CBS oh, hosted basically that's being taken off 865 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,360 air. And it's being it's being sort 866 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,120 of revealed that that show was costing the company $40 million 867 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,640 a year. That show that employed 868 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,640 something like 200 people just to make that show. 869 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,640 And it seems we've reached the tipping point of content because 870 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,240 that long established world of late night TV seems to be 871 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:05,480 crumbling. And that was always kind of the 872 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,800 bastion of of television as we knew it. 873 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,440 And now we're turning and maybe forever. 874 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,280 I don't think you'll ever see a show like that be made again. 875 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,680 Obviously the Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel still on air. 876 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,720 But now, like it's we, I think that style of television or 877 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:31,680 media is behind us forever. Yeah, and and and YouTube is the 878 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,120 future I would say. Like I think yeah, it's just an 879 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,320 interesting you talk about that, run it straight. 880 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,640 How I got here is that that old fashioned style of programming 881 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,960 is dying, this new sugar hit thing. 882 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,040 And it might be that people don't now create things for 883 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,160 longevity anymore. People create things while they 884 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,640 work and as soon as it stops working, they create something 885 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,240 else. As soon as that stops working, 886 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,040 they'll create something else. It's we're just in this new 887 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,640 pattern of content consumption. Yeah, I think, I think that 888 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,360 particular show you're talking about has a lot to do with 889 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,600 audience change over time, right? 890 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:14,040 And the whole like political landscape in the US had a major 891 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,120 factor on that show. However, you can look at the 892 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,000 project here just recently, you know, it's you're, you're dead, 893 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,400 right? TV free to air TV is what has, 894 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,720 you know, had a shift and change and the it's the viewer 895 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,840 behaviour of where you get your content that's changed. 896 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,080 That's having an effect on a lot of these shows. 897 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,840 However, you know, on YouTube, long form content is still, is 898 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,080 still king. Like, yes, there's all the new 899 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,040 fads and everything else, but people are happy to sit there 900 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,400 and and not only just long form content as in video content, 901 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,800 people will sit there and watch like podcasts, like, you know, 902 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,280 pretty much what we're sitting here doing now. 903 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,800 And they'll watch, you know, an hour, 2 hours, 3 hours of a 904 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,720 podcast on YouTube. So I still think there's an, you 905 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,920 know, there's obviously a place for both. 906 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:11,760 However, what is certain is that short form content is getting 907 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440 more click baitable as it gets more set, as it gets more 908 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,480 saturated, you know, you've got to do more and more to be able 909 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,360 to get attention and garner attention. 910 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,920 And that's where I think that kind of that's going at the 911 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,360 moment. But how did we even get to 912 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,160 there, mate? Where do we start on that? 913 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,520 Where do we even start on that? Who knows where? 914 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,400 Who knows where we ever start? The important thing is we arrive 915 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,640 at the end at some stage. Hey, what's coming up for you 916 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,400 this week in Sydney? You're gonna get some runs in 917 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,680 while you're down there, yeah. I had a had a little bit of a 918 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,240 jog tonight along the beach gets a little bit dark. 919 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,400 I'll have a few runs down here and then looking forward to get 920 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,160 back in. Back home to the squat rack, 921 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,480 Liam. When you when you, when are you 922 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,720 actually flying out of Sydney? I'll be out later in the week, 923 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,320 so back home for the weekend. OK, back home for the weekend. 924 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,600 Are you, is there any chance you're is there any chance 925 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,280 you're there on Friday morning? No. 926 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,840 What's going on Friday morning? You're you're down here, aren't 927 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,320 you? Well, I'm in, I I'm in, I'm in 928 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,840 Sydney. Yeah, we're going to cross mid 929 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,720 air. I'm coming down to Sydney 930 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,400 because I've got I've got a double header of footy this 931 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,040 weekend for Triple M. I've got to do the Battle of the 932 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440 Bridge Swans V Giants on the Friday night, then fly back to 933 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,040 Sydney for the Q clash. Sorry, fly back to the gold for 934 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,200 the Q Clash on Saturday and I'm going to the reason I bring up 935 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,960 the run is because I'm going to jump in with my old crew, the 936 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,640 runners in the dark down in Bondi on the Monday, on the 937 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,560 Friday morning and. I would have run over I. 938 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,400 Was messaging somebody in the crew to say hey, return of the 939 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,000 Snail King, which is my nickname in the crew because this crew 940 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,960 has gone from being a nice social crew to suddenly a crew 941 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,400 of high performing runners. And the joke is that I was the 942 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,160 king of the snails within the group and somebody messaged me 943 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,120 and said you are not a snail. And I'm like no, no, no, in this 944 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,160 group I am a snail. Like I realise I'm a capable 945 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,160 runner but when I come and run with this group of people, I am 946 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960 a snail like I am. It is only a matter of time 947 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,240 until I see footsteps disappearing into the morning 948 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,640 night, you know. So I'm gonna be in Sydney 949 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,880 running with the crop. This. 950 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,960 Perfect. Well, I look forward to hearing 951 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,200 how that run goes. I'll have a few more runs along 952 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,040 the beach before you get here and here. 953 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,760 Look forward to just getting back stuck into it. 954 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,960 Have a good weekend and we'll catch everyone again next week 955 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,360 as well.