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In the beginning, episode 25, 
and let me start this one out by

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saying shout out to anybody 
listening in southeast 

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Queensland because what's been 
going on the last couple of days

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is it's something I've never 
experienced before, a tropical 

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cyclone. 
Not just the thunderstorm, not 

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just, you know, heavy rain. 
This is a cyclone. 

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So shout out to anybody and and 
just be sensible. 

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There's no need to push your 
running in these sort of 

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conditions, right? 
It's not, you know, yeah, let's 

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just be reasonable about this. 
How are you, Cortana? 

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I'm good, fresh from a run this 
morning, feeling good. 

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Everything's happening. 
I've got. 

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But the exciting news this week 
is I've been holding off on 

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this. 
Holding off on this Red Bull 

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Racer Sun 2025 edition. 
We're on, it's on, we're on, and

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applications are opening today. 
Oh. 

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Really. 
So Saturday, March the 8th, our 

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locations will be open. 
So we'll put it on the socials, 

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but it's also at Red Bull's 
website. 

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You can get in there and and get
it. 

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Can we do a bit of a go on? 
Let me ask some questions. 

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I've never competed in Red Bull 
Race The Sun, yeah. 

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Well, most people have only seen
it from afar. 

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This is this is literally your 
brainchild. 

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This came out your brain. 
Talk to us a little bit the how 

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this race started and how you 
came up with it. 

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Yeah, so when we were always 
challenged at Red Bull to come 

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up with unique ideas, I got a 
little bit of inspiration. 

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I went live from the speed 
project over in the US, but I 

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always wanted to do stuff 
around, you know, trail and also

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show my backyard. 
So SE Queensland, northern NSW 

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the best. 
We've got some of the most 

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beautiful places here. 
And and the hinterland as well 

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largely under celebrated as far 
as tourism goes. 

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Yeah, but even further out, like
Scenic Rim, you know, places 

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like if you ever heard of wooden
bong? 

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No. 
No wooden bong funny enough. 

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I'm going to go in Tangier. 
Wooden bong, funny enough, is 

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called the Yeti capital of 
Australia. 

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Are you saying wooden bong? 
Wooden bong. 

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Wooden as in the material bong 
is in what they might use down 

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in Nimbin. 
Yes, wooden bong. 

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Wooden bong. 
OK, OK. 

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Cool. 
And it's the what? 

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Capital, the Yeti capital of 
Australia as in so when I first 

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went out so vulnerable snowmen 
yeah type stuff yes mythical 

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creatures, mythical white 
creatures right OK the reason it

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is is apparently in this area 
they're they're spotted. 

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Right. 
Yeah, and they own it, this 

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town. 
So this is probably where are 

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they? 
They're on their way out to 

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Legume. 
Yeah, the place anyway. 

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Going out to where? 
Where this course goes out 

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towards Tannerfield. 
As you're running down the road 

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there, there's a sign, Yeti's 
Cross here and they've actually 

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painted the A. 
Symbol of the Yeti and So what? 

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Anyway, that's that's a really. 
OK, that is you did take us down

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a a side issue there. 
Yep, you've you've stolen the 

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you've. 
Stolen the indication of where 

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we're running. 
Stolen the idea from the Speed 

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project? 
Rather, you've been inspired. 

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No, Inspired. 
And you've wanted to show off 

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your backyard? 
Yep. 

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So how far is it? 
So we've got 345 kilometres. 

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That's a long way. 
That is a long way. 

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It's a team race, so the teams 
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So it's a relay race. 
It's a relay run in that minimum

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of two females in each each each
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So that's part of the race. 
Now we start at Surfers Paradise

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Beach. 
I've seen, I've seen the star. 

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The star Sun starts under the 
famous sign. 

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Mm hmm. 
Coming to the Gold Coast. 

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Goes, you know, out through the 
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Rim and ends up in Tenterfield, 
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into NSW. 
And the goal of this, So the 

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whole IP of it and the whole 
idea of why I wanted to make 

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something, you know, specific 
but also unique to what we do is

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you're racing the sun. 
So we start at sunrise sharp on 

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surface Paradise Beach. 
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And the, the whole challenge for
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Field. 
So we finish at Bad Manners 

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Cafe, this little, Yeah, 
boutique cafe in Tanner Field. 

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You've got to beat the sun. 
That's so cool. 24 hours last 

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year we had I think. 
So it's not, it's not beating 

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sunset that day, it's beating 
sunrise the. 

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Next. 
No, we're talking about 24 

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hours. 
So you're gonna find a lot about

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yourself in this, the teams, you
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to get clubs, communities, 
brands, people who already run 

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together, bring a team. 
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choose a limited number of teams
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you know, it's quite unsensioned
race and we're on public roads 

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and a whole range of things. 
Before we get to the how does it

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work? 
You say it's a relay, so is it a

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rotating thing where the teams 
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you're running multiple times? 
How's it working? 

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You, it's up to the teams. 
It's so you. 

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Structure it yourself. 
There's. 

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No game plan? 
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How can you get as a team of six
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as quick as possible? 
Have you done the maths? 

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345 KS in 24 hours. 
What pace? 

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It works out to be about an 
average of 420 now. 

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Last year the teams came in a 
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So they look, you're calling me 
out of my memory. 

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Here. 
No, no, no. 

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But what sort of elevation are 
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145 KS, 6700 metres plus of 
elevation, so there's some big 

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climbs in there. 
Rd Trail, country, 4 wheel drive

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tracks. 
It's got a bit of everything in 

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there. 
Here's here's I suppose last 

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year we had five teams beat the 
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Out of how many? 
So we had 13 teams start last 

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year. 
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What happened though, is these 
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you know, you must be stoked 
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no, I didn't. 
The course is designed so I'd be

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happy if someone beat the sun by
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challenge, right? 
So they everyone was better than

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what I expected. 
So you actually, you designed 

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this race wanting people to 
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Yes, it's reminiscent and people
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By the way, I've just done the 
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pace. 
OK, that is absolutely flying. 

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No. 
So these teams are quicker than 

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that last year. 
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especially when you consider 
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metres of elevation. 6700, yeah,
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Some big climbs. 
Some big climbs in there. 

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How are? 
But how are they anyway so? 

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You, you know the Gold Coast. 
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Beechmont. 
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That is. 
You gotta go up that. 

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Well, that's just the start. 
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pace? 
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to watch last year and look, 
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listening to this going, you 
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Australia. 
The team that won was part of 

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the unofficial run club down in 
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Now I wouldn't, if you looked at
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you know, would I consider them 
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elite runners. 
They outran the Gold Coast team,

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which had some really, really 
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Yeah, right. 
They both attacked it very 

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differently. 
So the unofficial team who ended

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up crossing first, they did that
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They were doing just like K 
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Right, so you. 
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of the night and they're just 
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K Rep, K Rep K Rep K Rep Gold 
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which probably were more stacked
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Relied on the better runners to 
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You're not even relied on them, 
but just it's more natural to 

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run longer, longer stretches. 
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of the runners were warming down
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So they were actually running 
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running just because they're 
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and everything. 
So it was a really interesting 

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mix. 
Now here's here's the kicker 

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I've had to change. 
We haven't changed the course, 

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but I have changed some of the 
the nature of how this race will

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pan out for two reasons. 
One, I want to make sure, you 

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know, it's not too easy, but 
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So instead of the way it's run, 
in the past we've had one 

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section of trail which two 
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to run together, together point 
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It's a bit. 
They're over two hours out there

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doing that. 
There are going to be multiple 

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legs this year that are going to
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you've got to run a certain 
distance, for example, like up a

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hill. 
Yep, you might have to run 7K up

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the hill with 1 runner. 
What that does for us is in a 

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minute like it's trying to run 
this challenge is we don't have 

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on small, smaller, you know, 
mountainous roads, people 

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chopping off and changing and 
all of that makes it a lot 

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safer. 
But it also what it does is it 

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makes it a bit more even through
the team that everyone. 

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My goal is to have majority of 
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least one long run in that 24 
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Well, again, if you divide the 
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of participants, 6 people per 
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somebody run anywhere from 50 to
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event. 
So we'll share, we'll share some

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of the, the, you know what, some
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like we had people after 24 
hours last year, we've got this 

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clip of this guy sprinting down 
the road in Tenafield doing 

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probably a 240 pace. 
Trying to beat we had a. 

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Sprint finish for 2nd and 3rd. 
It's crazy after 24 hours what 

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happens. 
We're really, I'm really keen 

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to, you know, see what type of 
teams we get apply this year 

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because I, I do know more people
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Yeah. 
So please, if you're interested,

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apply. 
If you got questions, reach out.

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And then when, when this is all 
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do is want to sleep. 
So when you get to tend to go to

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sleep. 
And then we for those who come, 

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we put on a, you know, we put on
food and drinks for an after 

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party for them at night and, and
celebrate everyone's success as 

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well. 
We'll put the details of how to 

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apply, as you say, in the show 
notes. 

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But yeah, have a look, get 
around it. 

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It's a very, if you've designed 
a unique event here in 

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Australia, quickly, what it came
to mind then hearing you talk 

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about it. 
And it's appropriate that you're

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sitting here today in a in a 
Plaid shirt, you know, looking a

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little bit rustic because. 
Well, have you watched the 

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Berkeley marathons? 
I have, yeah. 

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Yeah, that's that's you've got a
similar race director attitude 

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to the bloke that runs that, 
which is that it's designed to 

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be hard. 
It's not designed to have people

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finish. 
It's designed to test people and

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yeah. 
This isn't the bar. 

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This isn't the bar. 
I don't know, but that that 

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mentality of, yeah, it's meant 
to be a challenge. 

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There's a really interesting 
perspective on designing a race 

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to take that. 
I don't want to call it a morbid

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mentality, but to take that, I 
know I don't want lots of people

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finishing this. 
I want people to walk away 

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having failed and being inspired
by the failure. 

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You know the old adage of you 
win or you learn. 

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I imagine there were people that
raced last year that didn't beat

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the Sun who would have learnt 
some lessons about how they 

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paced it, how they broke up the 
race between their team mates, 

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how they trained it all the. 
Wrestling, I mean, the feedback 

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we get after it is, you know, 
when you're delirious at night 

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and. 
Going through this 24. 

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Hours and it's different to you 
know, I'm assuming I'll have 

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some trail runners here who do 
hundreds and miles going. 

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I do AII run over 24 hours 
myself. 

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It's easy. 
The difference here is you're 

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sprinting and then recovering. 
So it, it's a different style of

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running that takes a like, if 
you imagine you've just done a 

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5K hard at 2:00 AM at night and 
then you sit in a van. 

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What, what's the first thing you
want to do is you just want to 

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relax and sleep, But then 
someone taps you on the 

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shoulder. 
Get back, get back out the door.

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You're going again. 
We need you to run up this hill.

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And this goes right through to 
the morning. 

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The other thing is what I did 
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people up to fail and they 
didn't, but I'm glad they didn't

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because those teams who beat the
Sun, it didn't matter. 

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It didn't come down to like who 
won the event. 

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There was this more mentality 
that I didn't envisage, that it 

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was just about beating the Sun. 
So each team had their own 

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challenge to beat the Sun. 
So yeah, there was a race within

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a race, but, but not really, not
really. 

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I think the teams that might 
beat the Sun were just stoked. 

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They What are the teams to the 
team? 

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If you don't beat the Sun, do 
you still finish the run or you 

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just get in the car and drive? 
No, no, no, Fierce still 

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finished. 
We welcome everyone in like we 

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have last year, you know, 
probably half the teams were. 

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I'd nearly call them your high 
rocks style athletes, like real.

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It appealed to them every right 
through to, you know, two years 

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ago we had Tim Vincent come 
along and he ran a few sections.

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You know, it's a big mix of all 
sorts and, you know, definitely 

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a lot of fun. 
So we'll see where this goes. 

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Well, maybe you could have a 
celebrity team this year. 

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Courtney. 
Are you calling yourself a 

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celebrity? 
Liam? 

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No, I'd like to nominate a 
captain. 

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OK, I'd like to nominate a 
captain for a race to Sun. 

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Celebrity team. 
OK, slightly more recognisable 

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than myself. 
Harry Styles, One Direction, One

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Direction form or One Direction?
I guess they're not together. 

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And he's in form. 
Hey, have you seen this? 

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Everyone would have seen this 
right now. 

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Anything Harry does, when he 
passes, when people write 

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stories about it. 
Harry Styles, the three time 

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Grammy winner, has run the sack 
of the Tokyo Marathon and he's 

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run it in a very impressive 
3/24/07. 

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So and negative split. 
And or. 

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Even even split. 
Even split, he has run a in a 

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that is that 324 O 7 is about a 
450 pace marathon. 

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It is a it's great running, but 
the split is what is makes you 

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know means he's got his bona 
fides as a runner because he's 

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run the first half in 142 O 3 
and he's run the second half in 

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14204. 
So he's literally even split the

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whole thing he. 
Hasn't gone out, just jogging. 

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There's a there's a plan here 
and he's obviously been training

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and. 
That's the That's as good a 

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celebrity marathon as I've seen.
Because it's funny. 

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Because when I saw. 
This is that more like we we 

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we're stacking up. 
Last week we had Jelly roll. 

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This week we've got Harry Styles
who who appeals to you more Liam

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as. 
AI find Harry's run more 

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impressive, I'm not gonna lie. 
But it's interesting because I 

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remember coming across on 
Instagram a, a carousel post 

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from a while ago and it was 
basically all these celebrities 

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you didn't know have run 
marathons and it had their times

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as well. 
And I started kind of flipping 

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through them going, geez, I hope
I'm, I'm faster than all these 

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celebrities. 
And I was flipping, flipping, 

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flipping. 
And I was, I'm only I'm only 

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three minutes quicker than Harry
Styles and I have no Grammys. 

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So I'm just saying I need to 
pull my finger out and get 

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better at running or start 
running some hits. 

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It turns up at Gold Coast. 
You've got to race on your 

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hands, is what you're saying. 
No, look, I I love the result. 

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Hey, moving on from Harry though
because I don't think we need to

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go down the boy band route, but 
High Rocks Brisbane. 

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Yep, on the way. 
Was it last weekend? 

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It was Red Bull's obviously 
involved with this event. 

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I had a lot of friends and 
people I know go in it it. 

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I still, I do want to do it. 
I really want to do it one year.

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It looks fun. 
I would love the challenge of 

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competing in high rocks. 
But what did I, what did I 

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wanted to bring up with you? 
Did you see the runtimes? 

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No, I didn't see what this being
fully transparent last year 

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because Red Bull did get 
involved with global sponsor of 

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this race or of the series. 
I was all in. 

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I went and checked out the 
Brisbane one, watched it, you 

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know, I was following it along 
really closely and I did. 

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It's not as new to me now, so I 
have not so much lost interest, 

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but I've kind of not watching it
as close. 

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And last year I did want to do 1
myself. 

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I've lost that. 
I'm not as I'm still in running,

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I'm 100% want to run. 
So I haven't followed it as 

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much. 
But I've got a feeling where 

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you're going with this. 
You're going to tell me how 

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quick these guys are running. 
Well, I will and. 

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Girls so now they run 81K 
efforts. 

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I think there might either be an
issue with the recording because

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I've looked through a few 
athletes and it seems to suggest

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they all ran the first K in 213 
which I don't think is right. 

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So, so the way it works in, if 
it was the same as last year 

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when I went to have a look, they
run out of a shoot when they do 

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their first one. 
K. 

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Right. 
Which I don't know whether that 

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means they're not running a full
lap. 

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So they kind of come out halfway
where they go in to do their 

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activities like their rowing and
their lifts and everything else.

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They pop out of a different 
shoot on the other side and then

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obviously run multiple loops 
back into that shoot. 

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So I assume that might be the 
the variance. 

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Yeah, I don't think it's a full.
It's certainly not a full 

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kilometre because I'm just 
looking. 

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So what about? 
What about the? 

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What about the middle? 
Well, yeah, this is what I want 

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to certainly Forget the first 
one. 

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Forget the first one, all right.
Stephen Carter won the event for

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the men's athletes Hyrox Men Pro
Elite Field. 

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Stephen Carter was the winner. 
Give me a give me a range. 

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You think he's running his case 
in out of curiosity? 

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Oh, I'd expect them to be around
3:30. 

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Stephen Carter's fastest 
kilometres of 342, his slowest 

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kilometres of four O 2, OK, so 
he's keeping it nicely paced in 

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that zone, for example. 
Go down some names. 

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Go who list the names? 
Can you see first, second, 

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third, 4th? 
Yeah, Are these and these are 

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overall finishes, not running 
times. 

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OK. 
Stephen Carter took it out for 

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the Horux Men. 
He's in the 2529. 

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Jess Price, Owen, second. 
Luke McKenzie, former Iron Man. 

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So Luke got third in the pro 
race. 

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Yep, you're. 
Looking at pro in the Horux 

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men's finishes open. 
He got third overall. 

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Wow. 
I think so. 

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What's, what's Luke running? 
Because I mean he, you know, 

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he's. 
Let's have a look. 

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I'll bring up, man, I'll bring 
up. 

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Hawaii man runner in his younger
days was around world junior 

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championships, triathlon and a 
whole range of It's not a very 

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handy runner. 
High rocks, men. 

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I'm making sure I'm doing this 
correctly, says Luke McKenzie. 

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He won his age group and he 
finished third overall. 

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Yeah, 40 to 44. 
Analyse. 

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Here we go. 
Total running. 

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I'm going to go to his running 
splits. 

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Luke's fastest K was a 351 and 
his slowest K was a four O 6. 

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Yeah. 
That sound about right? 

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It sounds right. 
Yeah. 

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I'm just looking at the. 
I'm just making sure we're not 

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doing. 
I think these are age groupers, 

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not the. 
Not the pros. 

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Not the pros, could be wrong. 
But it's interesting to note as 

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an example that these athletes 
are. 

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Yeah, here we go. 
Pro. 

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It's a Hunter McIntyre, so he's 
a big US. 

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OK, so you knew you knew I was 
on the wrong page? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. 
But you alright? 

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Well, you talk to me about 
Hunter's race, then. 

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So where are you finding these 
run splits? 

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So if you click on the athlete 
and then there's an analyse 

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button on the far right. 
Oh, running fastest 329. 

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There you go. 
There you go. 329 Average pace 

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3/28. 
OK. 

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So I don't know that. 
Yeah. 

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And in the first run, you're 
right, is skewed. 

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It's 153. 
So it's not AK. 

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So that way, this is like 
triathlon in the old days where 

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you, you know, you'd you'd 
finish a race and you'd go, oh, 

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well, how'd you go? 
What was your average pace? 

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Oh, I did 328. 
No, you. 

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Well, the short, it was a short 
course. 

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Yeah. 
Triathlon. 

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Triathlon is, you know, this is 
triathlon all over again. 

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You know, we used to run. 
I used to say, yeah, I ran a 28 

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and the course was never right. 
This is the case. 

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Just looking at this Hyrox 
thing, the average pace has got 

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nothing to do with how quick 
they run. 

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Look 329-340-3341, 340-4344, so 
and last 1352. 

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So you're looking at about an 
average of about 3:40 to 3:45 

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running, right? 
So is that is that impressive to

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you within Hyrox? 
I don't know, it is to me like 

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if you asked me to run 81K 
intervals and I don't know, hang

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around and do something to push 
ups for in between, I wouldn't 

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be able. 
To run that is a pro. 

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Again, I don't have a good 
enough understanding of what the

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exercises in between require, 
but here's what'll give context 

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for me, right. 
Azzy Gordon, who is the coach of

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one of the run groups I'm a part
of here on the Gold Coast, and 

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he is a former professional 
triathlete like yourself. 

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He participated in the Pez event
alongside V8 Superguard drivers 

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Tim Slade. 
Sladey jumped in at the last 

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minute because Sladey's fit. 
He's always fit, always fit. 

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They won their their age group. 
But Adzi, who again his fastest 

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kilometre was a 349 and his 
slowest kilometre was a 414. 

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So he is hovering around that 
kind of four minute pace 

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average. 
So he's, I mean, that's his run,

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like come from a running 
background, right. 

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So he's running about 10 seconds
slower than the pro men, Yeah. 

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OK, so no, it is impressive, but
it's just fascinating to see 

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that because this is a a, a 
competition built around hybrid 

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athletes, right? 
Well. 

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Listen, I mean, we've probably 
got more runners listening to 

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us. 
That's why I want to be really 

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like open with this because 
we're seeing a lot of trend of 

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high rocks. 
You know, if you go to your 

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social channels at the moment, 
you're more than likely to see a

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well built male or female 
running down the road being 

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filmed. 
Yep, hybrid athlete. 

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Yep, high rocks athlete. 
Just to be even to say the I 

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just looked up the pro women. 
So Connie Stevenson looks like 

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she's won and her I'm not going 
to say her average pace because 

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we know that's wrong, but she's 
gone splits of 4242642424. 

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So she's around that 425 average
mark as well. 

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Can I give you one more athlete 
from this event as a as a point 

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of comparison? 
Because we know that on one side

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of the fence heading into high 
rocks, it's runners who also 

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take up a bit of gym work. 
On the other side, it's 

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Crossfitters who try their hand 
at running. 

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Yes, the name Titsumi. 
Yep, for legend. 

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Also Olympic legend. 
Who don't know an Olympian, but 

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also. 
Commonwealth Games gold 

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medallist in Was she? 
I've got a feeling she was a 

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Commonwealth Games. 
All medal lift in powerlifting. 

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In powerlifting, I know her as 
the fittest woman on the planet 

449
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,160
from CrossFit. 
Yes, she is the she's a Hall of 

450
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,400
Famer of CrossFit, right? 
She competed in the mix with 

451
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,680
James Newbury, also an 
Australian CrossFit champion. 

452
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,080
They're running pace or tears 
running. 

453
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Yes. 
She her slowest kilometre split 

454
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,840
was a 353 and if sorry, her 
fastest was a 353 and her 

455
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,280
slowest was a 405. 
So the pointy end of this solid 

456
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,400
that is so the pointy end of 
this competition you're running 

457
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,440
it's it's 4 minute case Yeah for
over 8K for yeah, yeah, yeah for

458
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,960
Tia because yeah, an incredible.
Out. 

459
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,520
I wonder, I don't know enough 
about it. 

460
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,360
Like with the team, are you 
running? 

461
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,360
Doing the whole event? 
Obviously the weights are less 

462
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,760
in that one. 
Anyway, I believe so. 

463
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,560
Yeah, we don't. 
Need to unpack it. 

464
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,400
But very much a case of these 
high rocks is finding its level 

465
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,520
for the for the winners of age 
groups and and mixed races and 

466
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,280
all the rest of that around that
4 minute pace. 

467
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,160
Because we like, I mean, I 
always like throwing in the 

468
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840
marketing side of it and you 
know, brands and athletes and 

469
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,680
everything. 
It's interesting that you're 

470
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,240
seeing a CrossFit boom for so 
long and now it's like Hyrox is 

471
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,440
the new baby taking their their 
share of high. 

472
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,680
You're seeing the high, the 
cross fitters. 

473
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,400
Yeah. 
Turn up at Highrox. 

474
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160
To to exactly. 
I imagine when Hyrox first 

475
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,920
started they would have been 
turning their nose up at it and 

476
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,600
now like they're joining the 
crowd. 

477
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,160
Yeah, because if you want to get
in on the on making money out of

478
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,680
this thing or or growing your 
brand or keep you staying 

479
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,160
relevant, you got to swim with 
the new crowd, you got to swim 

480
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,280
with the new fish and the high 
rocks is where things are going 

481
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,400
so. 
High rocks is on. 

482
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,000
OK. 
We won't talk about high Rocks, 

483
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,840
no. 
No, no, we are running. 

484
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,880
Although I am going to try my 
hand at it next year quickly. 

485
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,120
This is a bit of a random 117 
weeks out from the Gold Coast 

486
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,120
Marathon. 
Yep. 

487
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,400
I would like you to tell me and 
you can talk to me or you can 

488
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,280
talk to yourself or you can talk
to everybody. 

489
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,800
But where, where would you? 
Where do you think I should be 

490
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,320
at 17 weeks out? 
Because I know there's people 

491
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,720
who've signed up for the 
marathon and they might be doing

492
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560
their first, they might be doing
their second, it might be their 

493
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,480
5th. 
But depending on how much 

494
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,400
experience you have with it and 
how much experience you have 

495
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,120
with running would adjust where 
your mindset is at about it. 

496
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040
I know there are some people who
are already getting ready for 

497
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,680
the Gold Coast Marathon. 
All right. 

498
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,920
I work with some people who are 
doing it for the first time and 

499
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,560
they're already on something of 
a plan. 

500
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,920
I also know that there are some 
people who've never done 1 

501
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,560
before. 
This is going to be their first 

502
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,440
and in their, they've already, 
they're planning on doing a 12 

503
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,160
week block. 
And I also know for myself that 

504
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,680
I'm going to do a 12 week block,
but in a way I've already spent 

505
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,760
probably the last 5-6 weeks. 
Building. 

506
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,160
My base ready for that block, 
yes. 

507
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,880
So I just want to get an idea 
from you 17 weeks out, where do 

508
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,320
you think runners should be at? 
Where would you like to be at? 

509
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,240
Where are you at? 
That sort of attitude. 

510
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,080
I mean, the answer's going to be
dependent on what you want to 

511
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,640
run in the marathon. 
But I mean, one thing's for 

512
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000
sure, the longer the 
preparation, the better, but 

513
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,440
also mentally. 
So when I say longer the 

514
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,000
preparation, the better, we've 
we've talked a lot about mileage

515
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,640
and building base. 
And if you can have consistency 

516
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,680
and build that base without 
really like being too focused 

517
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,360
and pointed on the marathon at 
that stage, when you go into the

518
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,800
marathon prep, it's going to be 
a lot better. 

519
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,520
It's going to be a lot easier 
and you're going to, you know, 

520
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,840
you, the level you're going to 
be able to go to is going to 

521
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880
rise a lot higher. 
So let's get that out of the way

522
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:42,720
first, but you've got to also 
balance that with how long, you 

523
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520
know, if you're not a 
professional runner and that's 

524
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,840
your life, how long mentally can
you stay in a structured 

525
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,520
programme? 
So what I would say is like, 

526
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
yeah, I've, I've got some like 
you, some people I've made it 

527
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,720
work like caught up with at work
who are already, you know, 2126 

528
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,040
weeks out doing a long run 
that's structured to get them to

529
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,680
the Gold Coast Marathon. 
And I'm like, wow, 26 weeks out.

530
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Let's. 
Have a year, Six months. 

531
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,160
But if, if you can manage that 
and mentally you're, you're 

532
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,160
happy to do that, yeah. 
And that's fine. 

533
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,800
And you're going to go really 
well off the back of that. 

534
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,480
But I'd say, look, 12 weeks is 
the bare minimum. 

535
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,520
But when you arrive at 12 weeks,
you want to have your, you want 

536
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,560
to be at your mileage. 
You want to be ready to like 

537
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,560
actually get into the, the grunt
of what you'd consider marathon 

538
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,920
work. 
Yeah, and start to get a bit 

539
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,600
more specific to what you want 
to do in that marathon. 

540
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,600
See, I think I look at that and 
think, right, I've got 5-4 or 

541
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,440
five more weeks to really up my 
mileage because at the moment 

542
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440
I'm averaging about 60 to 50 to 
60 KS a week. 

543
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,360
I'm sitting in there, which for 
me is is probably more than I've

544
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,800
done consistently forever 
really. 

545
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,400
But I would in my head going 
into my 12 week block, knowing 

546
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,680
what I want to achieve. 
I know I probably need to get 

547
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,760
that weekly total closer to 70 
probably, which is achievable 

548
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,480
for me. 
Mommy, at the moment, Mom, 

549
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,680
things have been busy, but I 
couldn't get that done. 

550
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,960
But that the one and I'm like 
you, it's all dependent on who 

551
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,840
you are and all the rest of 
them. 

552
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,200
But the one lesson you have 
these things that stick in your 

553
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,960
brain over time. 
The one lesson that is stuck in 

554
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,440
my brain and the mistake that I 
have made previously because the

555
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,000
first time I ever ran a 
marathon, I thought the first 

556
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,360
time I ever ran a marathon I 
signed up to London on about two

557
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,080
months notice and that was a 
mistake. 

558
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,160
But the second time I ran a 
marathon was here on the Goldie,

559
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440
and the mistake I made was 
thinking that the 12 week 

560
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,720
training block I was following 
would get me ready to run a 

561
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,600
marathon. 
That's not what the 12 week 

562
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,080
marathon training block does. 
The training block is there to 

563
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
get you to hit your target. 
It's not the marathon. 

564
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,040
It's not to start at 12. 
You can't go naughty to 12 

565
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,400
weeks. 
No, no, no, no. 

566
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,040
And be there ready for race day 
if you're running twice a week. 

567
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,960
10 KS a week and and 15 KS a 
week. 

568
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,920
And that I'm, I'm giving myself 
advice here, no one else. 

569
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240
But that's what I'm saying is 
the longer like if you said to 

570
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,040
me, where do you want to? 
You asked me where do I want to 

571
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360
be now? 
Yeah, I'm not as good as I want 

572
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,680
to be now because I'd want more 
and more. 

573
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,080
I'd want to have more and more 
base behind me and have more 

574
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,880
mileage behind me. 
However, my goal is just to make

575
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480
sure I get to that round, that 
12 to 16 week period, knowing 

576
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120
that that I've prepared my body 
and that's the key, I suppose, 

577
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,000
prepared my body, you know, 
everything's balanced. 

578
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200
I've got no niggles. 
And then I can get into the like

579
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480
a 12 to 16 week block. 
And that's for not just 

580
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
marathoning. 
I mean, that would be any kind 

581
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,960
of race I'm targeting, whether 
it's a trail race or whatever 

582
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
that you can then get into that 
block and you can get straight 

583
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,840
into the work you need to do. 
So yes, it's not a start point, 

584
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
it's actually just the start 
point to be more specific. 

585
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,520
It's almost like you're rolling 
into it. 

586
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
You need to be it's like a 
rolling start as opposed to a 

587
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000
gun goes off and now you start 
running like it's like you want 

588
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080
to roll into that 12 weeks, 16 
week and. 

589
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Whatever. 
I always just think of more from

590
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680
a mental like from you, you 
know, in your head as well of 

591
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
just being able to manage. 
If I'm going to be something 

592
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,400
like that, I'm really going to 
follow this to the later because

593
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,960
I want to get the best result. 
How long can I manage that with 

594
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,920
my lifestyle or my life and my 
kids and my family and 

595
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,320
everything else? 
And if you're going to try and 

596
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,560
do that for six months, it's 
going to be a lot more 

597
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
challenging than just going 
look, I need to be fit, but I'm 

598
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
actually able to manage. 
Look if I miss a bit here, If 

599
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,160
I'm balanced, that's fine. 
And that's you as and people 

600
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760
have. 
We've gone through Courtney's 

601
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320
journals. 
This is a man who can handle 

602
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,960
structure and handle routine and
handle sticking to a plan for 

603
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,080
most people. 
Most people may never have 

604
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,200
followed a structured plan like 
this before or may not have done

605
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920
it recently. 
So the idea of suddenly you have

606
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,680
a training plan in place for a 
period of three months, four 

607
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,560
months, it's they're probably 
underestimating the mental toll.

608
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Yeah. 
So it's, and then if you think 

609
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680
about, I'm not trying to say 
just go and run whatever. 

610
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,720
If you have a good weekly 
structure that's consistent and 

611
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,800
you're just building on that and
making sure you're not getting 

612
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,280
injured and they're the goals, 
right? 

613
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Just to build consistency, build
mileage, don't get injured and 

614
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,800
get yourself to whatever time 
out from the marathon. 

615
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,360
You decide. 
This is when I'm going to 

616
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,880
knuckle down. 
That last one is, is the key 

617
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360
there that you said don't get 
injured, don't get injured. 

618
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Get get to that, get to that, 
whatever it is, 16 weeks, 12 

619
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,040
weeks fresh. 
I think that's a key. 

620
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,200
It's fresh. 
You don't want to be like, Oh my

621
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,600
God, I'm already. 
I'm here. 

622
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,080
I'm Naked now I'm Naked. 
Yeah. 

623
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,240
Or like I've got that eagle in 
that calf and now I've got to 

624
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,120
start like it's, it's probably 
not going to end up good. 

625
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520
And like we know from numbers 
and talking to some of the 

626
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,600
marathon organisers, the drop 
out rate, we know there's going 

627
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,400
to be a massive drop out rate, 
you know, from people who've 

628
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560
ended a marathon and most of 
that is due to injury. 

629
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. 
All right, let's move on. 

630
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaking of marathons, we've got
a we've got a fella here by the 

631
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,560
name of Ryan now. 
Big shout out Ryan Kelso, he's 

632
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,600
from Armadale in NSW. 
Love that we've got some 

633
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,640
listeners South of the 
Queensland NSW border. 

634
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,960
Yeah, because we've we've given 
the mood a Flack in the past, 

635
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,760
but everyone. 
We're both tastes, we're boys, 

636
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,920
both Queensland based, but big 
shout out Rhino, he's sending 

637
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840
and with huge amounts of 
comments coming through and 

638
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
messages and keep sending him 
and we love reading him and 

639
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
we'll get to them as we can. 
Ryan says. 

640
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Boys, some feedback. 
Found you somehow at episode 19 

641
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400
and listen through to the most 
recent. 

642
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
So I love that Ron's gone back 
to the start. 

643
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,960
I love that he's well, no, 
sorry, he didn't listen through 

644
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,320
from the start. 
But anyway, start at 19. 

645
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Kept listening. 
He said. 

646
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Anyway, this week I've had a 
massive week on the road, so I 

647
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,040
started back at episode. 
He did go back to the start. 

648
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,440
He did go back to the start. 
A lot of people are doing this, 

649
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,800
it's good to hear, he says. 
Today I was travelling to Port 

650
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,960
Macquarie to do a half marathon 
as 108K bloke. 

651
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,160
I'm upset there's no Clydesdale 
class. 

652
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,880
OK, so Port so Port Mac doesn't.
Oh, that's a half marathon, not 

653
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400
a triathlon. 
Doesn't have a Cod sale class 

654
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680
running. 
Races aren't a big fan of this. 

655
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Alright, Ryan continues. 
Anyway, my wife was in the van 

656
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600
and we hit the road this 
morning, kicking off Episode 7. 

657
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
We listen to seven and eight and
a bit of nine on the drive at 

658
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,160
the end she mentioned how good 
that was. 

659
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
She doesn't run, she's 20 weeks 
pregnant so has no intentions of

660
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,800
running but we both laughed 
along and chatted as we listened

661
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,720
along. 
Usually she doesn't listen to my

662
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480
podcasts and he lists some of 
the ones he listens to there. 

663
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Rogan Hibernian as she likes 
podcasts like Hamish and Andy. 

664
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,440
Well I like to think Courtney 
and I are kind of Hamish and 

665
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Andy ish. 
Anyway, Long story short, 20 

666
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,320
week baby Mamas who don't 
exercise even are loving the 

667
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,760
podcast. 
I've I've downloaded episode 10 

668
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,440
and 11 to my watch to listen 
while running Sunday. 

669
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Thanks for doing what you do 
guys. 

670
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320
And then he sent an update. 
Yeah, yeah. 

671
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,680
So I wanted to know because he 
he said he was going to a 

672
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,920
marathon. 
I wanted to know how he went and

673
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,280
not time. 
I just wanted to know how he 

674
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,120
felt like, you know, was it good
or whatever. 

675
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,880
And he's come back 18 point. 
His goal was to run under 2 

676
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,040
hours or run a 159 through the 
18 point 5K mark. 

677
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
And he did that and he had a 
ball doing it. 

678
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,800
And that's the key, right. 
But this is what I love next is 

679
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,440
so Ryan's putting on sounds like
he's gonna, you know, get 

680
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,320
together and put a marathon in 
an Armadale next year, which is 

681
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,239
great. 
And he's thinking he needs to 

682
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,719
add the Clydesdale class. 
What he's thinking, though, is 

683
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,600
not Clydesdales. 
He he wants to think about 

684
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,760
because they're out West naming 
it after a reliable tractor 

685
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,960
brand. 
And he said like massive 

686
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,440
Ferguson. 
Have you heard of massive 

687
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Ferguson? 
No. 

688
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:31,719
No. 
So this is I'm not. 

689
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,679
So Ryan, this is what got me. 
I was like, I'm interested in 

690
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,480
the tractor brand. 
Massey, Massey. 

691
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Massey spell check. 
Been a little bit of lost in 

692
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,120
translation. 
Yeah, a Massey Ferguson I've 

693
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,960
heard. 
OK, massive Ferguson. 

694
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,639
Massive Ferg. 
I thought it said massive. 

695
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,719
Ferg, it might have been spell 
check. 

696
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,440
A Massey Ferguson. 
But he he wants to honour the 

697
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,440
big heavy diesel. 
I love this. 

698
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,600
Out there while keeping to the 
country roots. 

699
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,360
Oh. 
How good? 

700
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,120
What a great branding 
opportunity for for like, you 

701
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,320
know, a tractor brand or some 
sort of heavy duty excavation. 

702
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Well, I don't know. 
I'm a tractor brands obviously. 

703
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,120
John Deere, that's another. 
Thing, John. 

704
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Well, this is where I was going 
with this. 

705
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,440
I thought just John Deere, from 
what I've seen on at least 

706
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,240
YouTube Cop is copying it a 
little bit with the country. 

707
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Yeah. 
I don't know what they've done, 

708
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,880
something around profits. 
Or OK. 

709
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,480
You know one of those things, 
so. 

710
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,840
Well, Massey Ferguson. 
You can see it. 

711
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,320
What's their tractors look like?
Oh. 

712
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,760
Good, They're good, They're 
good. 

713
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,560
What colour? 
What's their brand colour? 

714
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,880
They're red. 
They're all about the red. 

715
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,800
Tractors racing red, Yeah. 
They make good teller handlers 

716
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,800
and I don't know a thing about 
heavy machinery, mate, honestly,

717
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,400
I don't know a thing about heavy
machinery, but I love that 

718
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,160
Ryan's done this. 
And I also, hey, right behind 

719
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,760
the and if you don't have to 
call it Clydesdale, but if you 

720
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,200
can get Massey Ferguson or 
somebody else on board, they 

721
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160
should sponsor it. 
What a great initiative. 

722
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,600
We'd love to see it, love to. 
See it and if you need help 

723
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,280
trying to get them on board, 
shout out. 

724
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,240
Give us a shout. 
We'll. 

725
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:01,440
We're happy to give you a 
reference. 

726
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Ron yes, we'll give you a 
reference. 

727
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
So thanks for that Ryan. 
Now mate, I've got one. 

728
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Normally this is me getting 
called out about not knowing my 

729
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,920
data or other things. 
Yeah, So you said last week 

730
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,120
we're talking about the average 
marathon, yes, being 425 

731
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600
marathon. 
And I think you said that would 

732
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080
be a 540 pace. 
OK, just to correct you, we got 

733
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,240
this in from Remy. 
Remy. 

734
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,720
In the in the Spotify comments 
and it's more like 617 pace. 

735
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,640
So is it? 
Yes. 

736
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,160
And I went and checked this, So 
I've I've verified this. 

737
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,040
It is exactly. 
Well, it's what's that 5 seconds

738
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,240
off the average Strava pace. 
So when we said globally the 

739
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:54,960
average pace run on Strava is 
6/22, Yeah, it is 5 seconds off,

740
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,120
equating to the average marathon
pace run around the world. 

741
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,560
All right. 
I apologise then. 

742
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,360
Thank you. 
Sorry. 

743
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,240
You didn't upset me, but no, no,
no, we, we want to make sure we 

744
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,840
get our information. 
Out Thank you. 

745
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,760
Correctly. 
So anyone naming for that 425 

746
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,040
marathon or around there, you've
got to run a. 6. 

747
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,640
Don't listen to Liam. 616 pace 
is your required pace. 616 to 

748
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,240
run a 425. 
You'll be an hour behind Harry 

749
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,080
Styles, but anyway. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

750
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,840
So a few more from last week had
Nick. 

751
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Pemberton, Pemberton. 
You're terrible with names, 

752
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,720
aren't you? 
Nick Pemberton can. 

753
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,200
You just jump in earlier so I 
don't make a fool of myself. 

754
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,760
Just call him Nicky P. 
So we were obviously we've had 

755
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,680
these Chinese shoes we've been 
looking at for a few weeks 

756
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,400
since. 
Now you running them. 

757
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,400
In no, OK, no, not yet for run I
will. 

758
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,640
I will not yet. 
I have been on the trails and I 

759
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,520
think they would have been 
great. 

760
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,560
On the trails they wouldn't. 
They would be terrible on the 

761
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,280
trails. 
No, so he's saying nice started 

762
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,400
from a non branded shoe, so he 
might be on something onto 

763
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,040
something there with the Chinese
stuff. 

764
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,400
What he he said a few other 
things, but what would be a 

765
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,080
brand name he was interested in?
Like if when we were talking 

766
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,600
about if it was a reputable 
brand or if it was a brand you 

767
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,520
know or trust or whatever it is,
But what would I'm throwing you 

768
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,040
on the spot Helium anyone 
listening Also think about this.

769
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,320
If you had to name your shoe 
brand right now, you've got 10 

770
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,440
seconds to do this. 
Jeez, don't use chat. 

771
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,120
I'm not. 
I'm not going to use ChatGPT, No

772
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,200
no no. 
What would you? 

773
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560
What would you? 
What's What's a cracking name 

774
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,520
for a shoe brand? 
No pressure, no pressure. 

775
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,800
You've done this to you've. 
Done this to me before, and the 

776
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,760
second part of this question, 
why you're thinking, he said. 

777
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Who would be the influence of 
me? 

778
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,640
No, he'd be you, Liam. 
Is there a brand called Stride 

779
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,600
Stride Stride shoes? 
Would you wear a stride shoe? 

780
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,520
I'd wear a stride shoe. 
You wouldn't wear a stride shoe.

781
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,400
Why not 2. 
Main shoe 2. 

782
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,600
You give me a name, then yes. 
It's not fun with the shoes on 

783
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,360
the other foot, is it? 
I should have actually probably 

784
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,120
thought about this beforehand. 
So I had I had a cracking 1A 

785
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
cracking one to give do. 
You know, just while you think 

786
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,240
about it, I'm gonna this is I 
don't know how we arrive here, 

787
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,880
but the the inch and and play 
along as you're listening to 

788
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,280
this. 
This is another one of those 

789
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,200
things that I heard it once and 
it's cemented in my brain and it

790
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,720
will never leave. 
But apparently the most 

791
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,920
beautiful word or two word 
phrase in the English language 

792
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,160
is cellador. 
As in like you know how wineries

793
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,920
have if you go to a wine 
tasting, you'll go into their 

794
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,680
cellador. 
Apparently that because of and 

795
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,120
it's got something to do with 
the the what the sounds of those

796
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,440
two words do to your brain 
through the neural pathways that

797
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,360
it activates makes it by some 
metric the most beautiful phrase

798
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160
in the English language. 
So if I can tell everyone so say

799
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,360
it. 
Cellar door. 

800
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,640
Cellar door do. 
You know why I was quiet? 

801
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Because I wasn't. 
I I thought you may have been 

802
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,160
like, talking. 
Literally. 

803
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520
It's a cellar door. 
No, no, no. 

804
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,560
It's the idea, that phrase of 
cellar, door, cellar. 

805
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,120
You still haven't helped me find
a name for a run shoe. 

806
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Well I was going to call my 
shoes seller doors. 

807
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,120
Seller doors. 
Well, that that sounds good 

808
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,080
enough anyway. 
Hey, thanks, Nick. 

809
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,800
If people want to suggest shoe 
brand names, well, I'm happy to 

810
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,800
steal them. 
Happy to steal them. 

811
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,800
Yeah, all right. 
Bit of audio, hey? 

812
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Let's go. 
Everyone knows if you want to 

813
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
increase your VO2 Max, you've 
got to run with your mouth 

814
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,800
covered and your nose covered 
and breathe only through your 

815
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,160
butt. 
It's called butt. 

816
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,760
The last bit cut out there. 
It's called butt chugging. 

817
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960
This is Jay Frey who sent this 
through. 

818
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,320
Yeah, that Jay, we love this 
because this off the back of the

819
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,160
nasal breathing, the nasal 
strips, the nasal tape we. 

820
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,920
We've got some real advocates of
nasal breathing and then we've 

821
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,200
got some real people just having
some fun. 

822
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,200
With it to their own? 
Yep. 

823
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,000
But Jay Frey's having fun with 
the idea that maybe breathing 

824
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920
through another orifice is the 
best way to get better. 

825
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,400
So that was the intro to it. 
Sure, it making a bit of fun of 

826
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,080
it, but then this is the man 
himself talking about it. 

827
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,760
About nasal breathing. 
So this is a podcast about. 

828
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Some of the benefits that we 
have when we breathe through our

829
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,200
nose instead of through our 
mouth. 

830
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,440
And I can't tell when I watch 
you, you, you, you look so 

831
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,000
relaxed. 
Certainly for the first half of 

832
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,720
that marathon last Sunday when I
was watching you, I thought. 

833
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,720
Obviously talking about the best
marathon ever. 

834
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,760
Just breathing through his nose 
or is his mouth open? 

835
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,480
Do you do you think about this? 
Is this something you're you're 

836
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,160
aware of? 
Yes, but I. 

837
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,920
Breathe through my mouth. 
You breathe through your mouth. 

838
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Yes, from the start to the 
finish. 

839
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600
The more the speed, the more the
more disc. 

840
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,680
You cannot breathe in my nose 
either. 

841
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,800
At the speed you're going, no, I
can't believe that. 

842
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,520
I can't believe that. 
But thank you for thank you for 

843
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,680
clarifying that. 
It's good enough for me. 

844
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,360
He's just shut it down. 
He's good enough for me at his 

845
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,720
speed. 
You he's going mouth out. 

846
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,880
He didn't sound like he's ever 
heard of nose breathing. 

847
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Until I see an elite field of 
marathoners or the final of the 

848
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,320
10K at the Olympics with nothing
but nasal strips. 

849
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,760
Yep. 
We have been sent the guy who 

850
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,120
broke, oh I don't know what 
country it was, might have been 

851
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,200
one of the Scandinavian country 
records the other day had a nice

852
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,680
strip on and someone sent me 
that one just to kind of like. 

853
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,840
I also really agree I can't 
remember, I apologise I can't 

854
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,840
remember the name of the podcast
I heard this on. 

855
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,080
But I also do agree with the 
notion of if you put one on at 

856
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,240
best, at best, it is going to 
open up your Airways and 

857
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,440
increase your ability to take 
more blood to your oxygen to 

858
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,400
your blood. 
It can't hurt. 

859
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,160
That's the and that's the thing.
At worst, it's not going to be 

860
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,760
detrimental. 
At worst, you look a bit silly, 

861
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Yeah, and that's not going to 
make you run slower. 

862
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
I agree with that. 
I agree with that. 

863
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,840
It can't be detrimental, but 
each to their own right on that.

864
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,680
On that one, we've Rich Ross. 
So this is a kitchen, I suppose.

865
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,440
A quote that I've seen before, 
but it was on this podcast as 

866
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,280
well. 
I just love it. 

867
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,360
The idea that only the 
disciplined ones in life are 

868
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,760
free. 
If you are undisciplined, you're

869
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,200
a slave to your moods and your 
passions. 

870
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840
It's good. 
I mean, good. 

871
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,040
You talked about my diary, my 
Diaries. 

872
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,520
This, this makes so much sense 
to me. 

873
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,360
And like in I suppose moving 
forward now into my life today 

874
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,360
where I'm like, even the last 
few weeks, you see me shipped 

875
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,440
like I'm off one place, I'm 
travelling to the next place, 

876
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,200
trying to keep my running 
structured. 

877
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160
It takes me back to those days 
of the diary where it's 

878
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,200
actually, it's so true. 
When you know what you're doing 

879
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,520
day to day, you've got a 
structure, you get up and you've

880
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,120
got a lot of plan. 
That's when you've got freedom 

881
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,120
because it actually gives you 
time. 

882
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
If you don't, if you wake up 
every day and kind of like 

883
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,200
haphazardly, I'll get to that 
later, I'll do this later, You 

884
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,240
half miss half of it and it's 
just, you end up just wasting 

885
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:12,000
time on it, probably scrolling. 
The and there, ladies and 

886
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000
gentlemen, is the motivation to 
stick to your marathon plan when

887
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,800
it starts. 
That's why you sign up to a plan

888
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,560
that's big, so you don't have to
do like I have done previously 

889
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,840
and like some people are 
probably doing right now, and 

890
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,320
wake up and make a decision on 
what to do each day. 

891
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,200
You know what it is? 
It's it's like the have you 

892
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,440
heard why Barack Obama wore the 
same and Steve Jobs? 

893
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,960
Yep, wear the same clothes every
day. 

894
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Yeah, decision fatigue. 
That's one less thing he's got 

895
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,240
to think about each day. 
That's it. 

896
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,200
Do you do that? 
No, no, I want to look good. 

897
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,440
No, I work in a non visual 
medium. 

898
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,760
I don't need to worry about what
I'm wearing. 

899
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,960
No, but I do I do. 
I understand decision fatigue. 

900
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Sometimes I get when you know, 
Oh my mum and dad will give me a

901
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,960
call and ask me some questions 
like stop making me decide 

902
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,240
things. 
It's like, it's like calendar 

903
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,920
Tetris is my decision fatigue 
when you've got your calendar 

904
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,320
for the week, bad at calendars 
and then you're trying to like 

905
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,440
build work out the blocks, but 
you also want to block in time 

906
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,760
so you don't have to do anything
I've got. 

907
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,320
To get better at calendars. 
It's a challenge. 

908
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,520
OK, kidding. 
He's. 

909
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,000
I like this one. 
I like this one. 

910
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,720
With talking about Brooks, we've
riled up a few people, but 

911
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:31,640
Stephen Miller in particular, we
need to stop bagging out Brooks,

912
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,120
especially the ghosts. 
Now. 

913
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,200
We weren't bagging them out. 
We just said we weren't. 

914
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,680
They weren't a shoe we expected 
to be high up on the list of 

915
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,840
some of the. 
I'll say Brooks are not a cool 

916
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,560
shoe. 
Brooks aren't a cool shoe. 

917
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,040
I don't think Brooks are a cool 
shoe. 

918
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,360
I'm not saying they're a bad 
shoe. 

919
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,840
No saying they're not a cool 
shoe. 

920
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,440
So Steve, yeah, he's got 
Pegasus, ASICS, Nimbus. 

921
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Don't even know what that one 
is, Hoka. 

922
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,000
But his ghosts are the 
favourite. 

923
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Really, Liam? 
He said. 

924
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,320
You should go and buy a pair. 
I'm no. 

925
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,280
I, I want, I want, I kind of 
want, you know, we've got a fair

926
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,200
few shoes we want to try on. 
I've got these shoes on a list. 

927
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
I want to try just to understand
them better. 

928
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,360
I kind of want to try them now. 
There you don't. 

929
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,600
No, I do. 
There you don't. 

930
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,000
I do. 
You're saying you do because 

931
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,480
Steve's put pressure on you. 
You don't. 

932
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,480
No, no, no. 
You. 

933
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,240
Look, I'm sure they're 
comfortable. 

934
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,480
They're just not cool. 
You're you're good at reading. 

935
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Can you open this link about 
Hoka? 

936
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Oh, this is OK. 
So if you're not already 

937
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,440
following the Petudor advocate 
and you should be this is very 

938
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,320
much off the back of they said 
Hoka launched new ultra cushion 

939
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,520
boots for ageing props with zero
knee cartilage. 

940
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:48,040
And this is we've talked about 
the foamy shoes that exist these

941
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,720
days and we talked a bit about 
some shoes the other week that 

942
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,560
the new Salomons, which those 
trail shoes, which we both ran 

943
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,400
through, but very foamy, right. 
And as a result, they're comfy 

944
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,720
is all hell. 
They're so comfy. 

945
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,680
They're a great shoe to run in. 
But do you have that foot feel? 

946
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Do you have that sense of the 
trail and that activation of 

947
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,840
your feet if you're wearing 
these shoes consistently with a 

948
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,160
heap of foam in them? 
And but two advocates suggesting

949
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,520
that Hoka's launching a brand 
new heavy foam shoes 

950
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,800
specifically for all these 
footballers that are now taking 

951
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,840
up running. 
Yeah, because we've got. 0 

952
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,280
Cartilage literally in their 
shoes. 

953
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,760
The Clydesdale class. 
It would be the Clydesdale shoe.

954
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Great name for it, the Hoker 
Clydesdale. 

955
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,000
That's what they should call it.
Well. 

956
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,360
I'd consider the Hoker actually 
the Clydesdale shoe up until 

957
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,240
now. 
I mean, this week not just 

958
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,440
released a new vomera. 
Vomera yeah, which is what 

959
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,520
they're saying is finally their 
Forte into like that real over 

960
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,520
the top. 
Right. 

961
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,800
I haven't seen that. 
I'm having a quick bit of a look

962
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,280
at it. 
The Nike Vimero 18 brings 

963
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,920
maximum cushioning to Nike's new
road running lineup. 

964
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,120
Holy dooly, yes. 
That is. 

965
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,320
I'm just having a look at a 
picture of the Vimero that is. 

966
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,480
That's a combination of both of 
the foam foams they foams they 

967
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,960
use. 
But yeah, they're going mat like

968
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,400
at they're aiming at that Max 
cushion market that's obviously 

969
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,120
been Hokers from a lot for a 
long time. 

970
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,120
So yeah, everyone's playing in 
the space. 

971
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,640
It's. 
Very comfy, I just again, don't 

972
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,400
know how much your foot's 
activating if you're running in 

973
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,640
that. 
All right, Jessica Joy. 

974
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,720
Hi, Jess. 
Yeah, thanks. 

975
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,880
For now, Jess is a track rider 
here on. 

976
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,320
Oh, you've talked to me about 
Jess before. 

977
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Yes, and. 
Yeah, OK. 

978
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
I am. 
I'm fascinated by, you know, 

979
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,600
obviously. 
Do you think you get up for work

980
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,040
early? 
Liam in Morning Radio I. 

981
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Don't think I get up for work 
early. 

982
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,920
OK, I know I get up. 
My alarm goes off at 3:30 in 

983
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,280
the. 
Morning. 

984
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,480
I reckon Jason would be 
challenging you on this, all 

985
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,160
right, I reckon as a track 
rider. 

986
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,680
So we're talking horse racing 
here, Thoroughbreds. 

987
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,400
I don't reckon she'd get up 
early than me necessarily. 100%.

988
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,800
What time? 
They're up. 

989
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,280
They're well before Dale. 
I'm I'm up. 

990
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,480
When it's dark. 
I'm going to take a stab. 3:30 

991
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,520
at the track No. 
Really. 

992
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,480
So yeah. 
You reckon Jess gets to work at 

993
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,640
3:30? 
I don't know, I'm just scared. 

994
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,040
They they get the horses before 
dark and Gold Coast, you know 

995
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,280
what time the sun gets up here. 
If you're going to have the 

996
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,440
horses out training at dusk and 
be prepared, you're going to be 

997
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,400
there bloody early. 
The track rider typically 

998
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,120
arrives at the track very early 
in the morning, often as early 

999
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,920
as around 4:00 AM. 
Oh, OK, I was half an hour at. 

1000
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,680
Four, do you get to work at 
4:00? 

1001
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,760
No, I'm there at 4:30. 
But I anyway it takes it takes 

1002
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,320
half an hour. 
Sorry to call you out, Liam, but

1003
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,360
it. 
Takes half an hour for me that 

1004
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,160
you do. 
She is calling you out on the 

1005
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Chinese carbon shoes being ugly 
though she loves them. 

1006
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,280
Nah, that's a. 
The oil field effect. 

1007
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,360
Nah, that's a rotten looking 
shoe and and you know what Jess?

1008
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,400
In your defence or in my 
defence, I jumped online after I

1009
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,520
ran in these things, had a look.
There's much nicer looking 

1010
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,080
versions of this shoe. 
Like there are other, there's 

1011
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,360
lots of, what do they call them,
colorways. 

1012
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,120
There's other colorways of this 
shoe, this one mixed company 

1013
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,440
tree. 
Courtney just ordered the 

1014
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,640
ugliest ones. 
Well, not everyone thinks 

1015
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,200
they're ugly. 
That's the point. 

1016
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,320
That's shocking point. 
Yeah. 

1017
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,280
So I'm I'm keen for Jess to get 
back to us because I want to 

1018
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,960
learn more about the fact that 
she runs as well. 

1019
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,720
She runs a she does a Saturday 
morning long runs. 

1020
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:33,400
Is that what she says? 
Yeah. 

1021
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,560
So she. 
Does it on Saturday morning, so 

1022
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,000
maybe she gets track work off 
that day. 

1023
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,880
But I'd love to understand like 
if you're you have a training 

1024
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,640
writing this is like physical 
activity and there's obviously a

1025
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,440
lot of things involved around 
that. 

1026
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Yeah. 
How do you then structure day 

1027
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,640
around running and and doing 
that as well would be really 

1028
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,680
interesting. 
Yeah and she also you go 

1029
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,360
throwback to my issue I had with
the certain pair of Nike shorts 

1030
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,480
looking like I'd piss myself if 
you start to sweat in them. 

1031
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Jess has said. 
Late to this one but the green 

1032
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,080
shorts with your sweaty shoe 
lamp. 

1033
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,720
This is what I like to call 
failing the piss pant test. 

1034
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,840
As a woman I like to wear bike 
shorts for a lot of my runs and 

1035
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,440
I like colourful shorts. 
Some colour slash brands will 

1036
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,320
stand up to the piss pant test 
running in them and see if your 

1037
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,640
crotch sweaty is visible or not 
and others will not. 

1038
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,120
My husband has a pair of maroon 
burgundy Nike shorts and they 

1039
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,000
have passed the piss pant test. 
It can be done. 

1040
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,560
There you go. 
Yeah, love the podcast. 

1041
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,800
Look forward to a few trips. 
Love it. 

1042
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,840
Thank you. 
Thank you. 

1043
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,600
Let's get on to run weeks, Liam.
Alright. 

1044
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,640
What have you been up to? 
I have to find someone to do 

1045
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,400
these long runs with. 
I got one done last week. 

1046
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,240
I managed to get a long run 
done. 

1047
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,400
I did 17 on the Saturday. 
My sleep, look, this isn't going

1048
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,160
to be revolutionary, so I'm not 
going to turn into a real like 

1049
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,720
certain run influences will. 
Sleep's really important. 

1050
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,000
Sleep matters. 
Who would have thought, 

1051
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,560
actually? 
And out of all and out of all 

1052
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,200
people, I'm assuming you're more
challenged on sleep with with 

1053
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,240
your your schedule. 
I had a really rough week last 

1054
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,480
week and I wasn't getting like I
was probably averaging 5 hours 

1055
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,400
sleep and it's just not enough. 
And then I had to work an AFL 

1056
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,200
game on the Friday night which 
meant I didn't get home till 11 

1057
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,960
after starting the day at 3:30. 
Southern Swans practise match. 

1058
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,200
So I started my day at 3:30. 
I got home that night at 11:00 

1059
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,760
PM and then I got up to go and 
do my run group with Adsi out of

1060
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Main Beach the next morning. 
So I got maybe just under 5 

1061
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:38,400
hours sleep and I went and ran. 
Now I got 17 KS done right, so 

1062
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,120
it was a good hit out in terms 
of time on fee. 

1063
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,440
I felt terrible. 
I felt really lethargic. 

1064
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,160
I felt sluggish. 
At no point. 

1065
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,800
Normally if I'm a bit tired and 
I get my run going, I kind of 

1066
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,320
wake up. 
It it never that feeling of 

1067
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,240
alertness never came. 
And I went home and I said to my

1068
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,120
wife, I'm like I need to go back
to sleep. 

1069
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,520
I'm really tired. 
I slept. 

1070
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,440
I ended up going back to sleep 
for like 3 1/2 hours. 

1071
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,600
I was knackered. 
It wasn't a nap, it was asleep. 

1072
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,760
But you're you're also probably 
catching up on not just the one 

1073
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,400
night this. 
Is, well, this and this idea of 

1074
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,800
sleep deficit, I think there's 
this notion that you never, you 

1075
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,480
can't actually they catch up on 
sleep. 

1076
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,400
It's but, but the point is sleep
matters, right? 

1077
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,400
If you're trying to run and 
you're trying to, you know, of 

1078
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,320
course it does improve sleep 
matters well. 

1079
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,760
One, it matters for running, but
two, over time it it's all the 

1080
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,520
recovery aspect of it as well. 
That's it. 

1081
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,320
So no. 
Hey, no. 

1082
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Question for year round 'cause 
like people are getting to know 

1083
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,000
you obviously through this 
running podcast. 

1084
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,760
So when you're out of this out 
of the AFL games. 

1085
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,320
So was the Sun Swans on the 
weekend? 

1086
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Like what how you caught like 
how's it work? 

1087
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Are you up in a booth on the 
down? 

1088
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,600
Box. 
Yeah, a little. 

1089
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,960
We'll go off it down the tangent
of AFL commentary for a moment. 

1090
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Yeah. 
So Suns games, Lions games. 

1091
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,840
I've got a few Interstate calls 
in fact. 

1092
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,120
Weather pending tomorrow. 
I'm meant to be down in Sydney 

1093
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,920
doing GWS Collingwood. 
Oh, right, for Triple M Oh wow. 

1094
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,080
So I'll be down there tomorrow, 
obviously. 

1095
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Again, flights and weather 
pending yes, calling the game 

1096
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,760
for Triple M yeah, basically I 
am up in a in a commentary box 

1097
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,280
sitting alongside usually 
another caller, a couple of 

1098
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,880
former players. 
And then we've got a producer 

1099
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,920
sitting behind us and I whack 
the old binoculars in front of 

1100
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,240
my eyes and yeah cool. 
It's it's. 

1101
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,520
You don't watch the big screen. 
Well, you can, and I'll look at 

1102
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:31,920
the screen for a replay, but I 
just find it's essentially say 

1103
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,160
what you see. 
And I find it's much easier for 

1104
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,880
me to say what I see with 
binoculars on, staring at the 

1105
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,240
players directly. 
Yeah, OK. 

1106
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,640
It's narrow, narrows your field 
of vision. 

1107
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:41,840
You can't see what's going on 
behind you. 

1108
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,400
But it is my favourite part of 
the job is it's the thing of I 

1109
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,640
hope no one from AAA 
management's listening to this 

1110
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,480
because I'd do it for free. 
I. 

1111
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,800
Don't say that. 
The fact they pay me for it's 

1112
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,040
ridiculous. 
What do you what happens like I 

1113
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,320
mean, you know, with my 
pronunciations. 

1114
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680
How do you go new, like new 
season, new players? 

1115
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,600
How do you go with names you? 
Practise, Courtney. 

1116
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,560
Yeah, you practise? 
No, I remember. 

1117
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,880
But how do you get the proper? 
How do you actually know what 

1118
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,160
the correct name is? 
You. 

1119
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,600
Rely on the clubs to do a bit of
that work for you when they sign

1120
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,680
a new player. 
There has been instance over the

1121
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,400
years where people have the 
pronunciation of footballers 

1122
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,960
names has been a point of 
conjecture around Orazio. 

1123
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,520
Fantasia is a player who played 
for Esnen, then he was at Port, 

1124
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,840
now he's at Carlton and it's 
obviously it's Orazio fan. 

1125
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,800
But there was a big story 
talking point with him, Footy 

1126
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,280
World briefly, because one of 
the commentators, Brian Taylor, 

1127
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,320
came out and said it's actually 
pronounced Fantasia. 

1128
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,000
Or maybe Orazio said that. 
But his name is spelt in the 

1129
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,720
English language Fantasia, 
right? 

1130
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:46,800
Like the Mickey Mouse. 
Film. 

1131
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,320
So if you saw it, that's what. 
You think you'd say Fantasia 

1132
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,280
now, that's also an amazing name
to have and to get to say as a 

1133
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,080
commentator. 
Arazio Fantasia, It's an amazing

1134
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,880
name to get to call. 
Yeah, Arazio Fantasia is less 

1135
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,240
kind of. 
It doesn't. 

1136
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:10,000
Roll off the tongue, fighters. 
Like Gout Gout and Gout Gout is 

1137
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,360
a great name to call. 
And I'm not saying that that's 

1138
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,920
what we should call him if 
that's not what he wants his 

1139
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,120
name to be. 
But it's there's always a bit of

1140
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,920
theatre about all these things. 
And in rugby league, it's a 

1141
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,600
different kettle official 
together because some of these 

1142
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,400
players come into the game and 
their name gets anglicised. 

1143
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,040
And then years later, like I 
can't even remember what he 

1144
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,840
originally was called, but Josh 
Papali, the big bopper, 

1145
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Queensland front row plays the 
Canberra Raiders, right? 

1146
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Came into the league and it was 
Josh Papali, Josh Papali, Josh 

1147
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Papali. 
And then he's probably 6-7 years

1148
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,400
into his career and he corrected
someone, he said actually it's 

1149
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,120
pronounced Papali. 
Oh my God, after six years. 

1150
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,520
Yeah, but and and and I'm a very
much of the opinion that if 

1151
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,800
someone tells you how you they 
would like their name 

1152
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,960
pronounced, you should you 
should acknowledge that. 

1153
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,760
So now Josh and credit to all 
the NRL commentators who 

1154
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,800
adjusted because now he is Josh 
Papoliki and there's there was 

1155
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,720
there is a player for 
paramedical who came in and he 

1156
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,600
was Junior Paolo. 
Yeah. 

1157
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,320
Or Junior Paulo in fact, is how 
they used to say it's actually 

1158
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Junior Barlow, like it's with 
AB. 

1159
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,560
So there's all these things and 
particularly with the Islanders,

1160
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,200
we don't know how to say their 
names correctly. 

1161
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,800
So we anglicise them and adjust 
them. 

1162
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,200
Now there's less of that in the 
AFL. 

1163
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,280
But to go back to the original 
question, new playlists. 

1164
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Remember how you used to learn 
to spell words as a kid? 

1165
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,080
Yes, the old look cover right? 
Check list of names. 

1166
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,920
You go back to that. 
List of names and numbers. 

1167
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,840
You give me a You give me a team
sheet with 22 names and numbers 

1168
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,600
on it. 
Courtney, give me an hour, I'll 

1169
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,880
be good to go. 
Not a job for me, Liam, no, now,

1170
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,320
definitely not a job for me. 
I've got because we, we, I do 

1171
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,920
know we've got people who listen
and are interested in AFL and 

1172
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,520
NRL, both of them. 
But I'm using your expertise. 

1173
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Two questions. 
One, can the Suns make the 

1174
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,400
final? 
Because since we're gold 

1175
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,240
coasters and #2 who's your dark 
horse for the year? 

1176
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,760
Which team? 
Suns to make finals? 

1177
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,680
Yes, Suns have got a list 
talented enough to make finals. 

1178
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Damien Hardwick's had his feet 
under the desk as the senior 

1179
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,080
coach. 
Now this is he's had a full 

1180
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,080
offseason now. 
Plus over all of our season. 

1181
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,240
Their list is good enough. 
The coaching staff is high 

1182
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,560
quality enough. 
They are. 

1183
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,240
It's one of the hardest Rd trips
in AFL for visiting teams. 

1184
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,960
They didn't lose a game at home 
last season at. 

1185
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,160
Home. 
Winning away now, that's a major

1186
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,480
sticking point, major hurdle. 
If they can overcome that, they 

1187
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,880
are good enough to play finals 
this year. 

1188
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,480
OK, and I'll say they will. 
I do believe they will all. 

1189
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Right, we'll hold you that. 
Our course for the competition, 

1190
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,680
yeah, I think Brisbane's gonna 
be. 

1191
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,720
I think Brisbane gets back to 
the grand final. 

1192
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:51,440
Well, that's. 
Not a dark. 

1193
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,200
Horse No, no, no. 
I'm just saying I think Brisbane

1194
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,800
is good enough to get back to 
the grand final, to give you a 

1195
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,920
team that. 
Is a roughy you don't expect to 

1196
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,360
he might. 
That might shock some. 

1197
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,120
The the thing about the AFL is 
that it's a really even 

1198
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,560
competition, except for the tail
end of of North Melbourne, West 

1199
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,720
Coast and Richmond, who are all 
struggling at the moment. 

1200
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,440
There's really, you wouldn't be 
surprised by many teams. 

1201
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,840
But if I'm going to give you a 
team that I think will surprise 

1202
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,680
or we'll get into finals that 
weren't there last year, I'll go

1203
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,840
with the Dockers. 
I think Fremantle, their 

1204
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,800
midfield mix, the talent that 
they've got on their list and 

1205
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,800
the direction they're heading in
is the right one. 

1206
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,160
So I'll give you 3 hours of 
roughy. 

1207
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,760
OK, there you go. 
OK, yeah. 

1208
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,920
So to get back to what I was 
saying quickly about relating to

1209
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,800
running, that's my weekend. 
But the other take away from the

1210
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,960
week was aside from sleep being 
important, I need to find 

1211
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,520
someone. 
I got, I managed to get like 

1212
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,880
just short of A20K run in on 
Sunday and you told me this last

1213
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,720
week, find someone to run your 
long runs with because my 

1214
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,680
motivation is waving waning on 
these long runs. 

1215
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,400
I'm finding it really hard even 
if I put podcasts on music and 

1216
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360
I'm really struggling. 
That want to keep running. 

1217
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,280
Yeah, and I, I mean, I know you 
now pretty well. 

1218
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,880
You get a lot out of talking to 
people and that. 

1219
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,560
So if you could run with a group
20K, easy enough you you 

1220
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,520
wouldn't even notice you're 
running. 

1221
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,880
And what is killing me about it 
too is that I get on Strava 

1222
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,880
afterwards and I see people have
gone out running together down 

1223
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,600
in Sydney or whatever, seeing 
mates of mine running together 

1224
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,360
and I just, I know that stick me
on the back of a group for 20 

1225
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,960
KS. 
Sweet. 

1226
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,840
Happy days 25 KS Great. 
Yeah. 

1227
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Even if I have to listen for 
most of that, Running solo is 

1228
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,000
hard for me. 
I find it really, really 

1229
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,240
difficult. 
So yeah, it's a. 

1230
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,520
Social runner. 
I'm a social. 

1231
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,880
Runner, you're a social. 
What about your week mate? 

1232
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Just running just good. 
Just knocking out some KS. 

1233
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Had a good session. 
We did a session at the Spit 

1234
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,320
with Gold Coast Running Co this 
morning and it was you talked 

1235
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,360
about last week. 
I think you were talking about 

1236
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,400
you. 
Did you look did a double Mona 

1237
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,560
Getty? 
Yeah, the double. 

1238
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,520
Mona Fart Lake kind of blew up. 
I said that's that's a lot. 

1239
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Yeah, well, the session we got 
thrown this morning was Mona 

1240
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,880
Getty Fart Lake. 
Yeah. 2 minutes rest into a 10 

1241
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,880
minute threshold. 
Oh, wow. 

1242
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,280
So it was a. 
That's a big session. 

1243
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,960
That's a decent. 
Session So yeah, I was running 

1244
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,280
pretty conservative, but we had 
a good group and that's, like 

1245
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,680
you said, running with people. 
That's one of my that's always 

1246
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,560
my favourite Morning. 
It's great stuff, you know, 

1247
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,920
there's heaps of different 
levels and everyone tries. 

1248
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Together cheat code for people 
out there, like if you're a solo

1249
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,800
runner, go and find somewhere to
try 1 running with people. 

1250
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,000
How are you feeling? 
I talked a bit about 17 weeks 

1251
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,640
out from the Golden Marathon. 
How are you feeling? 

1252
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,840
What 3 weeks out from three and 
of what are we 4 weeks out from?

1253
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Tell them in Golden Trail Kanani
well. 

1254
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,120
The funniest say that leave 
because that's my next thing I 

1255
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,200
want to chat about. 
I've got up in front of us a 

1256
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,160
course map because. 
I haven't brought this up. 

1257
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:14,560
We keep talking about we're both
going down to experience Kanani,

1258
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,440
the Mountain Run. 
So for those listening, it's a 

1259
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,600
it's a trail race as part of 
that. 

1260
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,600
There's multiple races there. 
I think there's a 67 K. 

1261
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,720
We're jumping in the Salomon's 
Golden Trail Series race, which 

1262
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,680
is 25 K. 
Oh my God, thank God. 

1263
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,040
However, unfortunately in the 
middle of it we're going up 

1264
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,080
Mount Wellington. 
So at the back of Hobart there 

1265
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,080
we're going up Mount Wellington.
It tops out at 12150 metres. 

1266
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,720
I'm seeing on the map, so oh 
wow. 

1267
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:50,680
First 12 K Liam 1360 vert. 
How's that? 

1268
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,560
How's that? 
How do you feel about that? 

1269
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,720
That's horrible for context. 
For context, right? 

1270
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,440
This is the first time Liam 
actually knows what I've got. 

1271
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,360
I've I said to Liam, let's go 
down. 

1272
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,720
We'll do a podcast after and 
give you all our excuses. 

1273
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,000
But. 
That's gonna hurt He. 

1274
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,360
Didn't know what you're getting 
yourself into and I've booked 

1275
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:16,520
the flights and we're doing it. 
So first 12 K we're doing 13160 

1276
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,440
metres of elevation. 
And it's on trail. 

1277
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,280
I do know, I'm pretty sure the 
track we go up, you go over a 

1278
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,320
little bit of rock and it's a 
little bit of, you know, 

1279
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:31,160
technical. 
So for for context, the biggest 

1280
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:38,000
trail run vertwise I reckon I've
done in the last 12 months, 18 

1281
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,600
months, No. 
Well, I've done UTI, but I mean 

1282
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,640
recently in training for this is
I've done that 17 K goat loop 

1283
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,360
out at Nerang, which you get 
about 700 metres of elevation in

1284
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,800
across the 17 K. 
So I'm basically going to be 

1285
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,640
doing double that in five KS 
less distance the. 

1286
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,760
Difference though with this one 
is it's a proper mountain. 

1287
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,080
So when you even Blue Mountains,
you know, you're running up, 

1288
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,880
you're up, you're already up on 
the, you're already up at the 

1289
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,280
elevation, right. 
So you're running kind of like 

1290
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,000
maximum maybe 120 metre vert at 
a time and then down, then up, 

1291
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,160
then down, then up. 
I think there's that one so. 

1292
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,400
How's this gonna be? 
Different. 

1293
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,720
Well, this is literally you're 
just gonna continue to keep 

1294
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,360
running up for 1200 and except 
for a little couple of 

1295
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,480
downhills, that's first 12 K 
you're is that harder? 

1296
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,960
Well, you're gonna go uphill the
whole time. 

1297
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,600
So you see what I'm saying? 
If you're like any of those 

1298
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,560
races or if you're adding a rang
running around, maybe you're 

1299
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,320
running 3 minutes uphill Max 
before we then go down, you're 

1300
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,720
just going to be running 
continuously uphill for you 

1301
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,840
know, I don't know what the 
first, what it will take. 

1302
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,040
What you're saying is I'm going 
to be running, I'm going to be 

1303
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,880
walking continuously. 
You're going to have a great 

1304
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,200
time. 
It's a beautiful. 

1305
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Place. 
It's a beautiful place. 

1306
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,520
I'm just looking at the the 
average times down there. 

1307
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,320
It says an average runner time 
for that first 12 KS is going to

1308
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:04,440
be 4 hours. 
Yeah, 4 hours, Courtney. 

1309
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,360
I didn't say it was gonna be 
easy, I said it would be a nice 

1310
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,040
place, a nice place to run, to 
take the scenery. 

1311
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,800
What are you gonna try and 
finish this in out of curiosity?

1312
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,720
I still haven't looked at it, 
how much I'd look at the the way

1313
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,040
I'd go about it because I'd look
at the results. 

1314
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,280
Who won last year? 
Actually Tate Tate, my mate Tate

1315
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,960
Hertz won last year. 
So I'd look at his time and I'd 

1316
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,800
be like, OK, well he was, I knew
how fit he was last year. 

1317
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,800
So I'd probably give myself, you
know, maybe 5 minutes behind him

1318
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,360
or whatever and then work off a 
bit of a split like that. 

1319
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,200
But I'm going just like you. 
It's a, it's a course. 

1320
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,320
I have an experience. 
So that's why I'm so excited to 

1321
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,400
go and run it. 
I'll tell you what, the week 

1322
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,000
before we do this the week 
because we're going to do a 

1323
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,520
podcast down there as part of 
the event. 

1324
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,000
Yeah, after the race. 
Yes. 

1325
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,120
But the week before, we need to 
agree to can this be the first 

1326
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,000
edition of Courtney versus Lane?
Agreed. 

1327
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,000
Yeah, let's have a look into the
course properly. 

1328
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,680
I'll work out a goal time for 
myself. 

1329
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,360
A realistic goal time for 
myself. 

1330
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,640
We'll work out a realistic goal 
time. 

1331
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,760
The good thing is too. 
So Pete, who's the marketing 

1332
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,040
manager? 
Solomon Shadow? 

1333
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:08,600
Pete. 
Yep. 

1334
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,000
So Pete reckon he's going for 
about a a sub three hour. 

1335
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,880
He's looking at trying to run 
that three hour mark at the Gold

1336
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,840
Coast Marathon tour. 
Oh. 

1337
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,240
Nice. 
So you and him, me and Pete boy.

1338
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,840
There's a battle. 
Oh, you reckon I've got to race 

1339
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Pete? 
You're racing Pete, so not only 

1340
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,480
are you going to race me on 
handicap, you're I've got you a 

1341
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,560
head to head competition going 
on as well. 

1342
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,200
I'm just bringing up Pete from 
Salomon here. 

1343
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,840
I'm just going to just going to 
eyeball him. 

1344
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,280
So what's his surname? 
Can you say Pete's surname? 

1345
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,440
You don't want to say Pete's 
surname? 

1346
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,920
OK, I'll find you, Pete. 
I'll find you. 

1347
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,280
Continue Courtney, as you were. 
I'm going to look up Pete from 

1348
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,520
Salomon. 
Peter, you're looking for me. 

1349
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,320
So. 
Some of the other, yeah, I mean,

1350
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,240
so a bit about the, I suppose 
the race, what I've been told. 

1351
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,200
So I was, I was had a chat to 
the race organiser Lincoln the 

1352
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,120
other day and he's saying, 
'cause I was like, well, what's,

1353
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,480
what's the course like? 
Give me some kind of idea of 

1354
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,880
what we're gonna be facing. 
How do you describe it? 

1355
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,640
Not so much Four Seasons in one 
day, but four different types of

1356
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,200
terrain in one day. 
So dry forest. 

1357
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,840
Then you're up through what they
call the organ pipes, which is 

1358
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,360
all that, you know, shyly rocky 
terrain. 

1359
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,120
You don't see that like tall, 
you know, you see Coaster 

1360
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,680
Tasmania there as well. 
You'll go up through there. 

1361
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,960
Then you're up through the 
stone. 

1362
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,520
Then you go up through the water
supply station, which I have no 

1363
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,960
idea what that means, but I'm 
sure you know, to the locals 

1364
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,680
down there, they know exactly 
what we're talking about. 

1365
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,880
But it's gonna be hard. 
But like I said, once you're up 

1366
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,400
there, it's a beautiful place to
run. 

1367
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,160
I have done the uphill trail 
before. 

1368
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,800
I'm looking forward to going and
and racing it. 

1369
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,280
I found Pete. 
I know my enemy now. 

1370
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,080
You've worked it out. 
Yeah. 

1371
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,800
So I've already told Pete you're
it's a head to head. 

1372
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Pete looks like he's the real 
deal. 

1373
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,280
I'm just having a look at him. 
I'll tell you one thing, you 

1374
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,440
know he's going to be decked out
head to toe in there. 

1375
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,080
You bet. 
We we better get you stopped up 

1376
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,920
in the right the right gear. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1377
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,040
Oh, this is going to be. 
No, I am. 

1378
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,960
I look, I actually. 
So you've got two competitions, 

1379
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,560
is what I'm telling. 
You. 

1380
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,720
Yeah. 
I'm racing you and I'm racing. 

1381
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,800
Handicap and yeah head. 
I am seriously excited about 

1382
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,520
this because to go over old 
ground, pardon the pun, but 

1383
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:30,040
running travel is it's a booming
industry. 

1384
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,920
It's probably already boomed, 
but I love the idea. 

1385
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,359
I've been to Hobart before. 
I've done. 

1386
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,680
What have you done in the? 
3 capes, 3 capes, track. 

1387
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,960
I got 3 capes. 
We walked it with my wife. 

1388
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,560
It's just sleeping. 
Nine years ago, saying cabins, 

1389
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,359
yeah, did that. 
Amazing. 

1390
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,680
Couldn't recommend that enough. 
We explored Hobart for a little 

1391
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,720
bit. 
We did a walk up. 

1392
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,720
We didn't go all the way up to 
Mountain Wellington up to the 

1393
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,399
very top, but we did a bit of a 
walk around there. 

1394
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,840
My wife was actually pregnant at
the time so we didn't do too 

1395
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,960
much, but I haven't and I've 
actually, I've done some footy 

1396
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,120
games at Belle Reeve in Tasi as 
well down in Hobart. 

1397
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,920
So I've caught some footy down 
there but I've never explored 

1398
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,520
the trails and I've talked, we 
talked about the idea of doing 

1399
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,120
the overland trick, which goes 
right through the heart of 

1400
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Tasmania as well. 
But so the idea of getting to go

1401
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,120
down there and experience it in 
a race format because again, 

1402
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:29,200
race weekends of any idea, the 
vibe is unbeatable. 

1403
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,600
It is unbeatable, the vibe you 
get around a race weekend. 

1404
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,439
Plus, I mean, the one thing that
still draws me more than the 

1405
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,319
competition or anything else to 
trail races, and the way I still

1406
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:44,200
pick them is you wouldn't, 
unless you ran this, you're not 

1407
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,439
going to get to see all that. 
Yeah. 

1408
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,040
And you get to see this in a 
day. 

1409
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,600
You know, you can go hiking and 
you can see it over multiple 

1410
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,359
days. 
Why not run? 

1411
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:52,920
Why not run? 
You get it done faster. 

1412
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,080
And then you get to go to the 
pub and have a beer after 

1413
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,160
because it, I think we're all 
finished, I'm pretty sure is 

1414
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,160
down near that Cascades brewery.
The Cascades Brewery, amazing 

1415
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,920
spot. 
And yeah, again, it's then then 

1416
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,760
it's all the stuff that comes 
afterwards. 

1417
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,720
Then it's the sharing of 
experiences and telling of 

1418
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,560
stories. 
And you know, we, you told us 

1419
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,600
some stories from your trap from
your trip to Mauritius last 

1420
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,600
week. 
And I know you didn't race, but 

1421
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,520
you had just by going over there
and actually course checking, 

1422
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,280
you had all these amazing 
stories to tell us. 

1423
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,360
We're going to be down there. 
So the plan will be down race 

1424
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,600
soon enough after the race we'll
get paid on as well. 

1425
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,560
So we know who won and we'll, 
we'll have a good debrief about 

1426
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,280
the race and talk about, you 
know, the. 

1427
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,520
Experiences down there. 
Maybe that's maybe that's the 

1428
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,920
deal. 
Whoever finishes first out of me

1429
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,280
and Pete gets to host the 
podcast. 

1430
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,200
So Pete beats me. 
He's in the chair. 

1431
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,440
He's in the chair. 
He's in the chair. 

1432
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:48,800
No, no, we'll have everyone 
involved but. 

1433
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,320
Yeah, that's the. 
Plan and then we'll go out for 

1434
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,400
the night, have a dinner and 
we'll. 

1435
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,640
Be back on the Gold Coast. 
Can you other thing as well? 

1436
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,000
You need to help me. 
I want I want to get your 

1437
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,600
experience and advice on how to 
the filming film. 

1438
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,160
Yep, because I want to be able 
to share because you do an 

1439
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,440
amazing job. 
The way you film and edit your 

1440
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:11,440
running experience is awesome. 
I don't want to copy you. 

1441
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,640
You can copy I'm but I've got 
it. 

1442
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,880
It's also but I also wanna heard
you last week. 

1443
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,520
No. 
'Cause we talked a bit about the

1444
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,840
the sameness of all the running 
content that's coming out there.

1445
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,400
Well, what's? 
What's gonna be your point? 

1446
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,800
I don't know name that would 
that would enable me to know 

1447
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,600
what camera give. 
You Maybe it's the fact that 

1448
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,160
it's really slow. 
It just takes. 

1449
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,760
Did you ever, did you ever watch
any slow TV? 

1450
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,400
This was a phenomenon that came 
out of Scandinavia from years 

1451
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,520
ago and it was these TV channels
that would just be like, it was 

1452
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,200
like there's a boat trip up 
there that takes like 5 days and

1453
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,280
it was just a camera fixed on 
this boat travelling up a fjord.

1454
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,200
It's called slow TV. 
They did one of a train journey 

1455
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:50,760
once. 
Yeah. 

1456
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,360
Maybe I could do slow running? 
YouTube hiking? 

1457
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,560
Have you ever watched YouTube 
hiking where they just strap? 

1458
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,360
It's like 4 hours of just 
watching someone hike, like 

1459
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,480
listening to the noise. 
Not for me, but there's a lot of

1460
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:06,080
people who watch that now. 
We're going to get you sorted 

1461
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,600
with the camera, that's all 
fine. 

1462
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,760
But yeah, we're looking forward 
to that. 

1463
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,400
It's going to be a good day and 
it'll be our first break out of.

1464
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,720
First adventure we're getting 
out of the we're getting out of 

1465
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,560
the the Courtney Atkinson 
studio. 

1466
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,720
So I've got one more. 
I've got a gear, a little bit of

1467
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,640
gear this week that I saw pop 
up. 

1468
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:30,200
It was shared by Jack. 
I I thank you, Liam. 

1469
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:37,560
And this is I like this. 
So they're Sunny's and they can 

1470
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,480
show all. 
And then this is not a new thing

1471
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:41,200
in Sunny's. 
They're starter Sunny's. 

1472
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,840
But this is literally like what 
you know in swimming goggles 

1473
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,120
where they show your pace, your 
heart rate and all that. 

1474
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,120
They're put into a pair of 
Sunny's. 

1475
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,120
They're called ENGO. 
What's that? 

1476
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,880
How would we pronounce that? 
Angos, or. 

1477
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Angos, Angos new running 
technology. 

1478
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,840
Now I want to try these. 
So pretty much you put them on. 

1479
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,360
It's going to show you your 
time, your pace, your beats per 

1480
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,600
minute, looking inside your 
glasses. 

1481
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,680
So instead of looking down at 
your watch the whole time. 

1482
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,160
So it's like you're dash 
displaying your cars 100%. 

1483
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,000
So this is like for anybody 
that's got a dash display where 

1484
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,320
that speed and everything jumps 
up in your windshield so you're 

1485
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,400
not having to look down in the 
dash. 

1486
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,880
This is going to give you these 
in sunglasses. 

1487
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,040
Connects with Garmin, Apple, 
Sunto, Android. 

1488
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,080
This is something I would like 
to try. 

1489
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,680
I mean, they're a bit ugly, but 
you. 

1490
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,760
Know, sure, but but the 
technology is what matters and I

1491
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320
reckon they'll figure out ways 
to make them better looking. 

1492
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,320
And then you can sync it, sync 
it straight up to Strava after. 

1493
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,480
But I mean, I've seen the 
goggles do this in the pool and 

1494
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,360
I'm sure maybe there is other 
brands who have done this 

1495
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,000
previously. 
This is the first time I've seen

1496
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,360
it in the running store 1 SO. 
That's cool. 

1497
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,000
You don't normally run in 
Sonny's though do. 

1498
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,600
You I don't, but I I I'm. 
You're not a Sonny's runner. 

1499
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,760
I. 
Would if you were training, if 

1500
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,560
you're doing a tempo run, for 
example, yeah, I think these 

1501
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,160
would be really good. 
Yeah. 

1502
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,760
So you can just without, you 
know, worrying about your watch 

1503
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,720
and that type of thing, you can 
just, you know, run down the 

1504
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,280
road, keep your heart rate in 
check, know what pace you're at.

1505
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,440
So this is one I'm giving the 
This is a green tick. 

1506
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,360
Gets the green tick. 
All right, we're gonna wrap 

1507
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,840
things up. 
Yep, quickly. 

1508
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,880
And I know as soon as somebody 
hears me say that they stop the 

1509
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,000
episode. 
But listen to the end because 

1510
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,880
you all deserve we. 
We've tried to share as many of 

1511
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,520
the much of the feedback as we 
get. 

1512
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,680
We just try and share as many of
the messages and respond to any 

1513
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,880
of the questions we get, 
particularly the ones you like. 

1514
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,480
Courtney, you're asking for a 
bit of advice. 

1515
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,200
Thank you. 
Because we are. 

1516
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,360
What are we, 20? 
This is episode 25. 

1517
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,760
So we're coming up on six months
on this journey and we are still

1518
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,320
enjoying it as much as when we 
started. 

1519
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,840
I think we've got a better idea 
on what we're doing every week 

1520
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,520
from when we've started, but 
there's still so much blue sky 

1521
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,400
in front of us in terms of what 
we want to do and things we want

1522
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,280
to start trying on the podcast. 
We're about to go away on the 

1523
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,280
1st little adventure for the 
pod, which is going to be a lot 

1524
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,000
of fun. 
And Salomon taking us down to 

1525
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,520
Konani. 
The Golden Trail series is going

1526
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,680
to be awesome. 
So we can't wait for that, but 

1527
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,440
keep getting behind this, keep 
sharing it with your friends, 

1528
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:05,200
the running community. 
The boom is continuing to grow. 

1529
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,640
Harry Styles is on board now. 
I'm sure he's listening to the 

1530
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,680
pod. 
So share that, Harry. 

1531
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,920
But to anybody out there, if 
you're listening for the first 

1532
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,680
time, subscribe on Spotify. 
The subscriber numbers, I only 

1533
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,840
just checked them the other day.
They're going nuts. 

1534
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,680
Their subscriber numbers are 
really coming along, which is 

1535
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,360
huge because that's what helps 
us jump up on the charts. 

1536
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,480
If you leave comments, if share 
with friends, all that sort of 

1537
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,120
stuff. 
We know people are listening. 

1538
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,080
We know people, not just talking
to ourselves. 

1539
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,280
No, no, we what we thought we 
were in the beginning, but. 

1540
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,440
Yeah, so and also just a 
reminder, race the Sun, Red 

1541
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,960
Bull, race the Sun. 
If you that sounded interesting 

1542
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,360
at the beginning of this, we'll 
share the links and get a team 

1543
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,640
together. 
Be quick, get. 

1544
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,560
Yeah, you will. 
You will have to be quick to get

1545
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,200
in. 
So it is. 

1546
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:46,440
It's definitely limited. 
Exactly. 

1547
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:47,360
You've got to be quick to get 
in. 

1548
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,520
You've got to be quick to run it
too. 

1549
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:49,280
Go get. 
Your friends? 

1550
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,720
No, you don't have to be quick 
to run it all. 

1551
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,320
All are welcome. 
We we want a variety. 

1552
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:55,720
Yeah, see, we'll see you next 
week.