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In the beginning Episode 55 
Courtney Atkinson How are you? 

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I am. 
Very good, Liam Flanagan. 

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Let's kick it off with, I 
reckon, a name that if people 

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didn't know about beforehand 
because they've been buried 

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under a rock or they haven't 
been paying much attention to 

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rugby league, they will know 
about now. 

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Reece Walsh. 
Who hasn't heard of Reece? 

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This guy, what he did in the NRL
weekend, in the NRL grand final 

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on the weekend for the Broncos, 
I heard it referred to in 

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commentary as the easiest Clive 
Churchill medal in the history 

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of the game, as in the best 
grand final performance the game

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has seen. 
Now maybe that's a bit of 

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recency bias, bit of caught up 
in the hysteria, but did you 

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watch the game and what did you 
make of it? 

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A. 100% I watched the game. 
It was, I mean the Bronx. 

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Three in a row or three. 
Finals have been the same. 

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Just to make like, you know, on 
the edge, sitting on the edgiest

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seat the whole time. 
And he it didn't matter whether 

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it was defence attack, sip in 
the toilet water. 

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He, he is everywhere. 
He's everything. 

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And yeah, I mean, he's giving 
the accolades, accolades he 

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deserves, whether you like him 
or not. 

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And I love him by the way, but. 
Yeah, and so do I and I also I 

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for those people that are we're 
so guilty of tall poppy syndrome

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in this country, but this we 
talked a bit about this last 

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episode. 
I think it was about the the 

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hero hurdle, the with the gout, 
with gout gout and Kathy and how

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you can't manufacture A 
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The one that breaks through 
popular culture supersedes their

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sport. 
Nathan Cleary has undoubtedly 

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been the best player in the game
for the last 6-7 years with his 

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with his CV and I'm not a rugby 
league expert and there probably

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are people that know the game 
better than I do listening to 

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this. 
But with his CV at the age he 

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still is, retires and probably 
enters the immortal 

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conversation, yes it's hard to. 
People will scoff at that now 

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because he's still so young, but
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together, You're talking Cleary 
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I'm talking about Nathan Cleary 
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And yet I don't think Nathan 
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bigger than his sport. 
Do you know Paddy Carrigan? 

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I reckon put it pretty good. 
He goes. 

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Can't help he's a good looking 
rooster either. 

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I mean it doesn't hurt. 
No it doesn't. 

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Hurt but I but genuinely nice. 
Story I heard this is a it's 

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gone through a a few different 
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The best. 
The best ones always have. 

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Over at Red Hill I heard they 
were having some problems at one

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stage. 
This is going back a a couple of

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years ago now because they had 
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they were training had a couple 
of times where they actually 

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some some young females jumped 
in the back of Walshy's suit as 

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he drove off. 
I can, I can. 

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Confirm that and you can 
confirm. 

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Not the you, but I know for a 
fact and I'll and I'll cite my 

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source because that's not going 
through second hand. 

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Adam Reynolds told me that they 
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hurricane fencing because of the
young girls that started turning

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up to training because it had 
gotten to that level with Reece 

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Walsh. 
That's and and that is something

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the game hasn't seen before now 
when I just to finish off on the

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Nathan Cleary point, Nathan 
Cleary and people arguably still

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the better footballer, right. 
But that hero hurdle that 

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breaking into the mainstream, 
that's that transcending your 

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sport. 
Nathan Cleary didn't do it. 

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Reece Walsh has done it and now 
I cannot wait to see what the 

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next 5-10 years are for for 
Reece Walsh. 

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Bloody exciting because he is 
the biggest. 

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Star the game has ever seen. 
Not the best player, the biggest

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star. 
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And I and I can't wait to see, I
tell you what, good time to be a

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Brisbane I Yeah. 
It's a brilliant time to be a 

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Queensland AFL. 
Not just Brisbane. 

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NRLNRLW. 
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Women's and the the Supercar 
drivers and any other 

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Queenslander. 
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Queenslander at the moment. 
It's all coming home, isn't it? 

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And especially to Brisbane. 
But I don't think we picked up 

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last week. 
You someone wrote in to me and 

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said just congratulated you, you
picked the Brownlow, you're on 

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the money. 
Grand the norms. 

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Yeah, going back. 
Sorry, Normsmith. 

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Yeah, yeah, you're on the money 
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Well, this is. 
Right on them. 

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This is our boy Will Ashcroft 
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We've talked about on this show 
before and I think it's I mean 

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this is a this talking to bring 
it into your world of high 

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performance. 
Will Ashcroft. 

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We've talked about him in 
comparison with Bailey Smith, 

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the Reece Walsh, if you like, of
the AFL, bigger name, bigger 

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brand. 
Will Ashcroft is all about the 

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craft. 
Will Ashcroft is all about being

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and he's talked about this. 
He wants to be great in the big 

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moments. 
Not that he's not focused on the

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regular season, but his 
professionalism, his dedication,

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his doing the little things. 
He wants to stand up in those 

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big moments. 
So it was sort of a not an easy 

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pick but a safe pick by me to 
back him in for the Norm Smith 

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because of a what he did last 
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like I do. 
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generates a certain style of 
football which suits Will 

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Ashcroft, but also this is a 
young man who he would I think 

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Will Ashcroft would almost 
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than regular season awards. 
Do you think do you think he's 

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better known, would still be 
better known in Melbourne than 

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he's in QLD? 
Will Ashcroft Yes. 

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No. 
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I don't. 
I think I do. 

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I I don't think well. 
Hang on, you got both Brisbane 

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teams, Both Brisbane winners 
this year? 

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Yep. 
Both have won the most 

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prestigious award as 
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Mm. 
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Who? 
Who in Queensland here? 

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Yeah. 
I mean, you're a goal coaster 

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now. 
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Who do we know more? 
Oh, Rhys Walsh, is that what? 

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You're talking about, Oh, no 
comparison. 

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So we're talking. 
So it's we're talking about, 

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we're sitting here in Queensland
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All due respect to Will 
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he's better known than any of 
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Reece Walsh. 
I don't think he comes. 

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He comes within a whisker. 
Of which is an interesting 

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scenario where we've got 2 
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Who is basically on the 
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is a bigger name than Will 
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That's, but that's just because 
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So I'm asking is he a bigger 
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Melbourne and said Will 
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that I'm going to be no one in 
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Oh. 
Look, maybe, but I still don't 

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think it's as big a gap as you 
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Melbourne is so insular. 
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they're carrying on about in 
over this trade period that's 

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going on at the moment in the 
AFL about some of these 

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Queensland based players who 
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couple years. 
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Suddenly they discovered in Sam 
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these gun defenders who had been
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couple of years. 
But Melbourne just doesn't has 

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an inability to. 
I'm talking the AFL world. 

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I love Melbourne, I love how 
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But if they tell you that 
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the game, they don't. 
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It is insular and that's OK, but
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Up here in QLD. 
And so will Ashcroft. 

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As good as he is, as big a star 
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track to do what Dusty Martin 
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And that's win 3 Norm Smith 
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He's would not be even close to 
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profile because he's doing it 
with the Brisbane Lions, not 

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doing it with one of the big 
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is Richmond. 
Do you think Lions can win again

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next? 
Year absolutely. 

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Just to to indulge for a moment.
They get better next year they 

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win. 
Last year they lose Joe Danaher 

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and they struggled to fill the 
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They discovered this tight 
gallop kid late in the season 

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who 6th game of football wins a 
premiership. 

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Unbelievable. 
Going to be a very good player 

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moving forward if his 
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But next year, for next year. 
They've already picked up Sam 

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Draper from the Esnon who 
immediately, with all due 

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respect to Oscar McInerney who's
just retired, is a better 

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ruckman. 
He's a better footballer and 

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he's 26, so better age 
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You get stronger there. 
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Allen, who's 2627 from West 
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player than Sam Day, who they've
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So instantly you've gotten a 
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They're only gonna get stronger.
You're saying goodbye to 

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Stasovich, you're saying goodbye
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Yes, you're losing pieces. 
But then these other kids, Levi 

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Ashcroft gets another pre season
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Marshall, they they every chance
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And I'll say it now, will 
Ashcroft for Norm Smith matter 

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your calling? 
He will if they if they go back 

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again, he will win it again. 
That is how this kid is wired. 

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That is how this kid is wired. 
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Well, there you go. 
Let's get to some running. 

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Otherwise we become a footy 
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Yeah. 
Let's talk about the big story 

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in running, and that is Strava 
suing Garment. 

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Garment How? 
How much do you know about this 

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not? 
I know that they sue Garmin. 

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Yeah. 
And I, I and I know the reason 

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why it's around segments. 
Segments and heat maps. 

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Yep. 
So basically the the layman's 

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explanation for those that 
haven't aren't across the story.

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If you have a Garmin watch 
within that Garmin watch you 

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have heat maps. 
Strava is saying that Garmin has

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take in their technology or take
in their data. 

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RIP them off to. 
Create those heat maps, type in 

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the information of the Strava 
users to create the heat maps 

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within those pieces of 
technology. 

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And also which I didn't know 
that Garmin has segments, our 

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last Strava, Strava segments. 
So you can go on, not just run 

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Strava segments around the 
place, you can run Garmin 

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segments. 
And Strava is also claiming that

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they created that technology. 
Yeah, see, I thought, and this 

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is going back, someone will 
know. 

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Going back a few years back, 
Garmin, it was exciting because 

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Garmin actually had the Strava 
segment show up on the Garmin 

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cycling computer or cycling 
watch. 

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So while you're out there, you 
could finally get that live 

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vision on your Garmin. 
And I didn't real. 

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So I mean, I'm only using 
Strava. 

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I use the Garmin Connect app 
when I'm using a Garmin, but I 

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never look at it. 
It's actually only opened to get

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the information across to. 
Strava, onto Strava. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Which is the same problem, which

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is their issue, right? 
It's, you've got to have the 

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app, you open it, you know, look
at it because you want to go 

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over and look at all the. 
Strava stuff, I'm look, I'd look

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one is essentially a hardware 
organisation in Garmin and the 

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other is software. 
And I find it interesting 

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because I don't think we'll see 
Strava try and enter into the 

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hardware race. 
I don't think you'll see Strava 

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watches or Strava because I 
think they're smart enough. 

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Yeah, I, I, I don't, I think 
they're mooring like, I think 

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the horses almost bolted too far
for them to try and catch up. 

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Well, let me ask you, if Strava 
released a watch, would you wear

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it? 
It was good enough, probably. 

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Would you? 
Yeah, it wouldn't I'm but if it.

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Had all if it had all of the 
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theoretical. 
If the Garma Music 245 that I 

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ran in yesterday, there was the 
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Yeah. 
And it just uploaded straight to

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Strava, OK. 
And it did everything in exactly

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the same manner took, you know, 
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Why? 
You'd you'd you'd trust it of. 

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Course you'd trust it. 
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would be in the pudding. 
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is exactly, if it operates 
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same it says, why wouldn't you? 
Trust. 

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So the cynic in me says that 
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Strava is a software. 
Strava is a tech business. 

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Buying a hardware now business? 
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took it over and started 
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house, sure. 
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making watches, it's going to 
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the bridge before I back that in
over my Garmin again. 

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Completely just no information 
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that? 
Watch CRO, Is it Cronus? 

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There's fair few people using 
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I'll look it up. 
Because I'm, I'm they're not not

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purchasing one, but let's just 
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Say Strava went, We're going to 
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OK. 
Would you then use a Strava 

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watch? 
Yeah, if it was, it was. 

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If it was a if I saw that Strava
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combine it with Polar hardware 
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Strava, Yes. 
No, but I'm just saying just 

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acquire it and that Polar 
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longer yes, yes. 
A bad example with. 

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Polar Big, big business. 
No, no, no, but but but that's. 

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Apple, Apple, all the tech 
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just end up with, you know, 
there was technology used 

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through other companies to make 
headphones, sure. 

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You know what they didn't have? 
If it was easier to go and 

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acquire technology, they'll 
they'll go and do it. 

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So I I believe it's well within 
their realm. 

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I mean they just acquired 
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We need a, we need a virtual. 
We need to be training again 

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software. 
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so this is and I again we have a
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intended future shareholder once
they list publicly, I am all the

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board you we, you can go check 
the check the receipts. 

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We have talked about the the 
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is and will become. 
It's the biggest sleeping giant 

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of the running industry that's 
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better comparison. 
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hardware thing I think is a is 
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and see proven before I backed 
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Well, you know, put it this way,
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Would you, if any athlete would,
would you as an athlete have 

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debuted A Strava watch at the 
Olympic Games? 

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If you're if that is, you got to
perform at your peak. 

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It is your all or nothing. 
It is your. 

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It is your grand final. 
Depends on how much they paid. 

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There's always a price, Liam. 
So to go back to this whole 

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lawsuit thing, look, it's it's 
interesting. 

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I'll be really fascinated to see
how it all pans out. 

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Yeah. 
Who wins? 

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It's, you know, it's he said, he
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said business. 
Yeah. 

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I wonder how that then goes 
behind closed doors when they, 

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you know, obviously because 
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proportion of Strava users. 
What would I be right in 

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guessing is? 
It could be that besides the 

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iPhone? 
Because I do think a lot of 

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people like Strava users still 
use the iPhone. 

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Besides the iPhone, Garmin would
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that people upload with to 
Strava. 

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So Can you imagine? 
At some point they must get 

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together. 
It's a third party, there's the 

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API on it and then the apps and 
everything, and they must get 

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together themselves and go, what
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How's that next meeting go? 
I'm trying to look it up and 

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that's a great question. 
It's a, it's sort of a who needs

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who more, sort of needs who 
more. 

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So Strava says it has over 150 
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platform, right? 
I'm guessing that's more people 

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than have Garmin watches. 
What was the number? 

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150 million. 
It's an interest that is 

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interest I would, I mean, how 
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Why? 
There's be a lot of Garmin 

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watches out. 
There, you reckon there's over 

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150 million people with that 
Garmin watches? 

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I don't know you get AIO to help
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Yeah, I'm I'm trying to do a bit
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would say it's not as much now 
if if Garmin turned off the tap 

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to Strava. 
Then Garmin users have a 

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decision to make. 
Right, and if Strava turned off 

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its tap to tap to Garmin, you 
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spite your face stuff. 
Who loses in that battle? 

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It's a good question for people 
running along with losers. 

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US, the runners, athletes, yes, 
there's incentive for for this 

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to work out peacefully for the 
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It's a good question to people 
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their watch or without a garment
on their watch. 

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Apple uses Apple Watch use. 
My wife would be unaffected. 

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She uses an Apple Watch. 
She'd be completely unaffected. 

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There you go. 
It's a good conversation. 

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It's a good way, Yeah. 
Well, you. 

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Keep an eye out on you did the 
running. 

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World, it's not news I expected 
to wake up to this week, that's 

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for sure I'll. 
Tell you what, Strava, look how 

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they are the big bullies of the 
running world. 

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What have you been up? 
I mean, we're sweating up here. 

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Summer is. 
Here, Summer's here, summer's 

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here. 
It's bloody. 

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Hot. 
I need to put the air con back 

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in. 
I'm sick of pro hours already in

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this weather. 
Yeah, it's it's too old. 

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Well you are pro hours, you just
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Didn't. 
You I literally, I've just come 

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from the gym to your joint and 
yeah, I'm back at a gym because 

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I'm excited about, I'm in the 
mindset of challenging my body 

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at the moment. 
I want to get fit again. 

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I reckon I probably coasted 
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So here's the question, I want 
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people say I want to get fit. 
Is it ambiguous term? 

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Yeah, it is. 
What is I want to get fit to 

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you? 
I want to be sore again. 

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No. 
No, no, let me explain, it's 

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been a while. 
That's the purpose of getting 

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fit is not to be. 
No, no, no. 

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But, but you know what I mean. 
Like I think for me that feeling

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of, of soreness in my muscles is
an indication I'm pushing myself

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and training hard and, and 
improving and growing. 

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And I don't reckon I've had that
for a little while. 

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I reckon I've found a 
comfortable kind of zone where 

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I'm running about 50 KSA week 
and it's comfortable and it's 

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easy and that's good and it's 
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But now I've hit a point with 
running and everything. 

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I'm like, OK, I want to. 
And because I'm not training for

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Noosa this year, I haven't had 
that stress or that strain or 

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that challenge or that end 
point. 

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So I'm looking for that again. 
I'm trying. 

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So I've joined up with a new 
gym, which is, I tell you what, 

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there is nothing more humbling 
than walking into a gym not 

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knowing how to do stuff. 
Gym scare that that that is the 

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sole reason gym scare me. 
What's that 'cause you don't 

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know how to do stuff? 
Oh yeah, I've always done very 

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basic mechanics in the gym, 
right. 

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But if I go into your, we talked
before we got on air about going

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into a, you know, a 24 hour. 
Let's just use anytime figures 

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as anything. 
Yep, any one of them fitness 

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first anytime. 
The machines look foreign to me.

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All the new tech and you know, 
all the different lap. 

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There was sort of lap machine 
yesterday and I didn't know 

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whether to kind of give, give it
a high 5 or slap. 

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I know what I know what barbells
and you know, deadlift, squat 

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and all of that. 
But the machine, that's what 

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scares me. 
And then you stand around in the

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gym kind of with, you know, just
a whole heap of other people who

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know what obviously have been in
there long enough to know the 

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machines or AP TS, giving them 
some, you know, pointers. 

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And you're like, well, how the 
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And what does it do? 
So I this is and part of the 

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reason I'm enjoying being back 
at the gym because I've realised

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we anybody that you think about 
it, you might not be able to 

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speak a a literal second 
language, IE French, German, 

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Mandarin, whatever it is, but 
most of us all have a second 

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language in our lives which 
revolves around potentially 

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work, the work we do. 
But often gym this gym I've 

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joined first session in shout 
out to momentum Sports. 

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Wade stood out the front, the 
owner and the main head coach at

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this joint and with the white 
ball behind him pointed and 

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spoke. 
And I was surrounded by 15 

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people nodding. 
And at the end I went up to Wade

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and said I didn't understand any
of that and I had to have my 

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hand held throughout the entire 
session because I didn't 

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understand any of it and it was 
humbling. 

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And you got your money's worth. 
But it was. 

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Great. 
And same thing as the one I've 

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been at today. 
I understood a little bit more, 

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but still most of it might have 
been, might as well have been 

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Latin. 
I did not understand most of it,

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but I'm excited about that 
because the movements and the 

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technical side of it and the 
learning for me at 41. 

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I'm really excited that my body 
is learning to do new things, 

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new movements. 
I realise how inflexible I am in

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certain through certain range of
motions. 

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I'm learning about, you know, 
the activation of of different, 

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you know, muscles and and 
movements during certain. 

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It's I'm excited about learning 
even at the age of 41 in fitness

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and, and this I don't mean that 
people who don't go to the gym 

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have done this, but it the 
prospect of giving up. 

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And that might seem me over the 
top exaggeration, but I don't 

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like the idea that even at 41, 
even though I love running and 

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that is the thing I love 
exercising with most that that's

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all I'll ever do. 
I'm just set on that. 

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I I am excited by the idea of 
still running and still getting 

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better at running, but learning 
and and how to do other physical

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things, yeah. 
So that was a long winded answer

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to what does fit mean? 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I don't know if I answered it. 
I don't know either. 

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I don't know, but you gave us a 
good spiel. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, it was. 

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It's like to go in the gym. 
I've lifted the lift clean and 

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jet before. 
Lifting makes you feel good. 

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Yeah, there's no doubt about 
that. 

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Maybe I'll become a Jimbo. 
Maybe I'm destined for high 

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rocks. 
I think this is me dancing 

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around it. 
Maybe I there are people at this

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gym. 
You're guilty Hieroxies. 

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There are people at this gym who
are definitely high rocks I. 

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Had breakfast with someone this 
morning who's was at a gym. 

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High rocks specific gym. 
Yeah down at Burley. 

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Been doing high rocks like. 
And were they a perfectly 

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perfect, wonderful person to get
along with? 

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A footy player. 
But yeah, no, the gyms, 

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highroxes. 
I actually, I asked the 

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question, so we'll get to it in 
a minute, but I was last week 

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with a group of fitness people 
down in the Snowy mountains. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I want to talk about who are. 

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Highroxes, runners, triathletes,
whole range of different crew 

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and I asked them, I asked the 
question around actually I asked

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them two questions which will be
good as one was around why is 

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CrossFit is Highrox? 
Has Highrox actually surpass 

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CrossFit now? 
I I think it's more than a 

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battle. 
I think it's destroyed it. 

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I think it's destroyed it, yeah.
And they and they agreed, like 

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Hyrox is the yeah, it's a new 
thing. 

449
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000
I mean, there's the evolution 
hardcore crossfitters out there 

450
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,360
still, but Hyrox is the second. 
The second thing I was asked, in

451
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:38,520
which we've asked are numerous 
people, both pro runners, you 

452
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,920
know, amateur runners and 
everyone else, was when you run 

453
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,480
a marathon, do you know the 
winner of the race? 

454
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,080
Oh, interesting. 
Or a triathlon, because I 

455
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,320
triathlete simply in the group 
as well. 

456
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,000
And the unanimous answer was. 
No, no, yeah. 

457
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,080
I don't know which again to me 
was just like we are a 

458
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,040
participate well when I say we 
running and triathlon are 

459
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,640
participation based sports. 
Let me piggyback on that. 

460
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,240
Yeah, the gym. 
I was just that one of the 

461
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,840
trainers, Capri, shout out 
Capri. 

462
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800
She started listening to the 
podcast Up and Coming 

463
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,080
Triathlete. 
You're right doing this. 

464
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,160
Racing Sprint. 
I don't think she's doing this. 

465
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,360
She's racing in Wollongong. 
The age. 

466
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,240
Champions World Championships 
this weekend. 

467
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,120
Yeah, yeah. 
And she's not this weekend, next

468
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,800
weekend, but she's racing in the
ages. 

469
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,720
And I was asking her as I was 
leaving the gym today, she said 

470
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,880
to me, will you watch Kona this 
weekend? 

471
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Which the day we're recording, 
Kona is on the day you'll be 

472
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,320
listening to this. 
Kona is on this weekend. 

473
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,560
And I said my friend is racing 
in it, Katie Ramon. 

474
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,920
Share that, Katie. 
And she's like, who do you 

475
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,200
think's going to win? 
And I said, oh, I've got no 

476
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,560
idea. 
I do not follow the sport to 

477
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,360
that extent. 
But my friend who's admittedly 

478
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,800
racing as a pro you're, you're 
interested in, I'm invested in 

479
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,720
her. 
Yes. 

480
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,200
I don't. 
And she proceeded to tell me who

481
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,480
she thinks is going to win the 
race. 

482
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,760
And I'm like, I haven't heard of
those. 

483
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,640
Your eyes glazed over because 
you were like. 

484
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,400
I don't know who they are, but 
it will it brew it brang home. 

485
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,640
The point of that you just made,
which is that this is a 

486
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440
participation. 
Sport it is, and maybe that's a 

487
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,480
great thing. 
I think it is a good thing and 

488
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,840
that's not detract from the 
elites. 

489
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,920
No, but it is. 
Well, it's definitely, I mean, 

490
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,480
as we go through this and it's 
been, you know, nearly on a year

491
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,240
now, that's been my biggest 
learning out of all of this. 

492
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Yeah. 
That what we've spoken about, 

493
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,600
who we've met, who we talk to is
the biggest learning is the more

494
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,600
and more I get into it, the more
and more I realise these, these 

495
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,600
these sports are. 
And the other way to look at it 

496
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:41,800
was you don't have look AFL or 
let let's use League, which was 

497
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,600
last weekend. 
You don't really have like 

498
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,040
thousands of people out there 
playing league at age of 40. 

499
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,960
No, well, I mean even touch 
footy stumps, but yeah, yeah, 

500
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,680
touch footy comps, sorry is 
probably the closest to it. 

501
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,120
But we'll all sit down on the 
weekend and that grand final is,

502
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,840
you know, the four point. 
What was it, 4.7 million people 

503
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,880
tuned in? 
Yeah, yeah, BAFL. 4.64 I think 

504
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,720
was the average. 
Total. 

505
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,480
So was it higher? 
And yeah, so like we're talking 

506
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,480
over four and a half million 
people tuning in. 

507
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,520
Yeah, a little bit different to 
the Sydney Marathon. 

508
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Now, can we please talk about 
your snowshoeing adventure? 

509
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,320
I want, because I want to hear 
about this, because you were 

510
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,640
with a really interesting group.
In fact, one of the fellows you 

511
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,880
were with is someone we've 
talked about not that long ago 

512
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,280
on this podcast. 
Lewis, Louis. 

513
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,480
Louis. 
Louis is it? 

514
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,880
I wasn't sure if it's Louis or 
Louis, Yeah. 

515
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,440
But yeah, you're with an 
interesting group. 

516
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, so I think I left the 

517
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,160
day after we chatted last time. 
So I've had a I've been away all

518
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,080
week. 
First I was down in the snowies 

519
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,120
with Red Bull, right. 
So it's what they call a fitness

520
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,360
summit. 
And literally this was more a 

521
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,640
male orientated fitness summit, 
which was probably like, like I 

522
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,440
said, high rocks athletes, some 
triathletes and some runners. 

523
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,240
And they're all in the what they
call, I mean, the more the 

524
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280
creator space. 
So they're amateur, amateur 

525
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,240
athletes who I suppose on social
media and that type of thing 

526
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,720
promote. 
Influences what? 

527
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,160
They do, yeah. 
Influences. 

528
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,680
Content creators influences. 
Yeah, Promote what they do out 

529
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,800
there and, you know, have 
reasonably large audiences I 

530
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,480
suppose to talk to. 
So, you know, it's always a 

531
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080
very, it's interesting for me in
that space always because 

532
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,080
obviously I come from the pure 
elite side of sport. 

533
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,640
And now I'm dealing with, you 
know, all different levels and 

534
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,960
all different range of sport. 
But the first activity we did 

535
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,960
was snowshoeing. 
And when I looked, I went, yeah,

536
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,320
it's a little bit like hiking. 
Like why would you walk when you

537
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,640
can run? 
But first thing that happened 

538
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,800
was October. 
We're driving up the mountain, 

539
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,440
just drove past Thredbo heading 
up towards head dead head dead 

540
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,120
horse gap and starts. 
Snowing starts snowing like. 

541
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,280
Literally snowing, I reckon, you
know, probably 3 to 5 

542
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,400
centimetres snow on the road as 
we go to walk off and shout out 

543
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,720
to Kay's seven adventures, Lou 
there who took us up and 

544
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,160
literally none of us had been on
snow sheets. 

545
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,760
I'd I've run the cosy Kosciusko 
in snow before, but never in 

546
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,400
snow. 
I just. 

547
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Oh dear, I just. 
Just rolled up, yeah. 

548
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Pretty much just went in my 
trail gear, barreled through the

549
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,280
snow and did it. 
But in this style, I suppose it 

550
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,400
was just relaxing. 
We just walked up through the 

551
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
valleys in the snow, having a 
chat, having a cruise. 

552
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,280
I think we climbed. 
I'd have to have a look at 

553
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Strava. 
I think we climbed up, you know,

554
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,320
maybe 3500 metres of elevation 
over a few K but there was snow 

555
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,600
all the way through the snow 
gums got to hang out. 

556
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,840
So it was, it was nice. 
Wouldn't really say fitness to 

557
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,840
wasn't. 
Taxing. 

558
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,360
Wasn't taxing. 
Really not And is that? 

559
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,640
Even at altitude, it wasn't 
taxing. 

560
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,840
I suppose if you you went to see
how quick you could get up to 

561
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,400
the top of the summit, it would 
have been a bit more taxing. 

562
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600
But, you know, it was pretty, 
pretty cruisy. 

563
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,080
But a new experience for all of 
us. 

564
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Yeah. 
And then the second day, 

565
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,480
actually we had the running room
come in. 

566
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,600
That afternoon, Alex. 
Yep. 

567
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,480
The great man. 
Yep. 

568
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Yep, Alex. 
And then they came up from 

569
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Melbourne, took, took, I didn't 
get too involved in that 

570
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,880
session, but they took everyone 
through, did all the strength 

571
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,560
testing, had a look, gave them 
some more information on, you 

572
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,520
know, maybe think of this for 
injury prevention, you know, got

573
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,120
a sore knee, do this, blah, 
blah, blah. 

574
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,240
Always good to go and see some 
experts. 

575
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,400
Pretty much the case. 
And then the next morning I took

576
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
them out for a trail run cause 
of the snow. 

577
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Obviously there's, you know, a 
bit more snow than I thought 

578
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,400
they'd be around that time of 
year. 

579
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,280
We had to stay down in the 
valley tracks. 

580
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,040
But again, just a really nice 
trail run. 

581
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,080
I went up with with the group, 
you know Keegan. 

582
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320
Yeah, Keegan Hebro, former time,
Yeah. 

583
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320
Keegan was there, you know, chat
chatted him about podcasting a 

584
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,000
fair bit. 
You know, he's doing well in his

585
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
space of podcasting. 
So I was, you know, it's not 

586
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,560
just sports chat. 
It's like a little bit of 

587
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,160
everything going on at the same 
time. 

588
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,560
And then they come back and I 
suppose we had a nice chef 

589
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,600
giving us some lunches, you 
know, all the bells and whistles

590
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400
as well. 
So Liam, they have the days of 

591
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920
my job, I can't complain, ha. 
Ha ha. 

592
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,280
Just mentioning Alex from the 
Running Room people might be 

593
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,800
familiar with him from. 
He was the physio that helped 

594
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,200
when Ned Brockman originally ran
across Australia. 

595
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,360
He was the physio on hand, but 
also people might have 

596
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,640
participated in more than a run,
which is a sort of a, a men's 

597
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,280
health awareness event that 
happens, usually happens around 

598
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,840
November. 
Well, it's attached to November,

599
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,320
attached to move, attached to 
Movember. 

600
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,760
Of course that's cool. 
It's so. 

601
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,920
Get Alex was involved. 
For that, we went to a lunch, 

602
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,960
remember? 
I took you to a lunch. 

603
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Brisbane. 
Brisbane. 

604
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,720
The Fortitude Valley. 
Yeah. 

605
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Howard St Wharfs I think that 
was for more than a run. 

606
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,320
I've got a feeling it was 
attached or that way no movement

607
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040
was the. 
One we went to in Fortitude 

608
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,800
Valley that wasn't Howard Smith.
Wharfs your brother in law was 

609
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,760
there but. 
Didn't you come with me up to 

610
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,160
there was another one on the 
river under the story bridge? 

611
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920
It was. 
Two, that was Movember. 

612
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,400
Was that more than a run or just
Movember I think. 

613
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,760
They would talk about my memory.
Oh no, that was just straight up

614
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Movember because the fella that 
organised it is. 

615
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,120
He's done your race the Sun 
event. 

616
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
I've forgotten his name, but 
yeah. 

617
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,440
And that was the yeah, yeah. 
Kiss, kiss, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

618
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,640
yeah. 
Shout out kiss love your work. 

619
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Yeah, I don't. 
I don't what? 

620
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,360
Don't know what the point of 
that was. 

621
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Yeah, more than a. 
No, the point of it was I was 

622
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,280
just pointing out for once your 
memory. 

623
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320
Can I ask something questionally
about your. 

624
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,920
It's interesting that you, that 
you've gone on this health 

625
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,200
retreat. 
Yeah. 

626
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,800
And it's a men's health. 
Retreat. 

627
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,080
That might be a better way to 
put it. 

628
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,600
What in health? 
What did I call it? 

629
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920
What did you call it? 
I call it a fitness summit. 

630
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, OK. 

631
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,600
It's probably more like a men's 
health. 

632
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,000
What's interesting, right? 
Yep. 

633
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Is that it was the men's focused
1. 

634
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,600
Yep, there's women a female 1 
coming up. 

635
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,080
So and what we are you involved 
in the female. 

636
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,160
I will be involved. 
Now what? 

637
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,560
What are you doing with the 
female one? 

638
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Do you know what you're doing 
yet? 

639
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Do you know what the itinerary 
is yet? 

640
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,040
Well, if someone's listening, 
wait. 

641
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040
I think it's. 
Mid November, so I'll talk about

642
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,440
it then. 
OK, I can't give away. 

643
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
All right, the activities. 
Well, the thing I find 

644
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,160
interesting is because why are 
you making, why are you dragging

645
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,200
the blokes up through the snow? 
When I imagine that in my head 

646
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,520
right now, the women are going 
to go surfing and do yoga and 

647
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,680
have delightful views and 
breakfast on the beach. 

648
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,560
I reckon you're not too far. 
And you're making the blokes 

649
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,440
drag themselves up. 
Kosi, Oscar They. 

650
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Didn't go up, Kosi Oscar. 
Oh geez, I wish we were not Kosi

651
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Oscar. 
I'd love. 

652
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,880
To do you know, can I just on 
that, I have been a few people 

653
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,360
have asked me, I've had a few 
people message about the UTA 100

654
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,280
mile after I've mentioned it. 
That itch is getting scratchier 

655
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,960
or that scratch is getting 
itchier. 

656
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920
The way everybody talk about it,
because the thing that's rubbing

657
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,680
around in my head at the moment,
the more I think about it is why

658
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,640
not? 
Like I'm never in my mind. 

659
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,600
I want to scratch that itch at 
some point. 

660
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,920
I can't see myself in five 
years, 10 years, whatever it is,

661
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,680
being more capable than I am 
now. 

662
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,560
So why not? 
So that itch is very, very 

663
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,880
scratchy right now. 
But for those listening also, I 

664
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,840
said to Liam, well then you need
some help and you were like no, 

665
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,440
I'm going to problem solve this.
Well be like so as opposed to 

666
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,520
well, talk to me about that 
because when we talked on the 

667
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440
phone the other day and I said 
that just that it's getting the 

668
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,000
itch is getting scratchier and 
you said, well, make sure you 

669
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
get a coach. 
Now in my mind, when I was going

670
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,040
to shoot for sub three hours at 
the marathon, I needed a coach 

671
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,440
to help me structure that 
because there was a a time based

672
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,120
goal in mind for the UTA 100 
mile. 

673
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,560
It's just survived. 
You're just going to. 

674
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,360
You just want to. 
Survive it. 

675
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,240
I just want to survive it. 
And that's just up here. 

676
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Well, I suppose it depends on 
on, yeah, like what your goals 

677
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,040
are. 
But I think you still need some 

678
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,280
someone with expertise or even 
at least someone who's done it 

679
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,040
before. 
Yeah, to be able to give you 

680
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,960
some tips. 
Randy told me I'd have to do 2 

681
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,120
hour stairs sessions. 
Has Randy done it before? 

682
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,920
No, I don't think he has, no. 
I should say there you go. 

683
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,240
OK, All right, let's move on. 
What else happened? 

684
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,080
No. 
So I was away. 

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,800
I have hardly been home, got out
West, so I came home from the 

686
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840
snowies and got straight out 
West. 

687
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Straight out on the bike. 
Back out on the motorbikes, out 

688
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,400
at my brother and sister in 
law's and it was here. 

689
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,160
Here's where I'm gonna go with 
this. 

690
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Have you heard of Reflect 
Reflections of Life videos on 

691
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,600
YouTube? 
No, I went down this rabbit 

692
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,600
hole. 
A reflection of life. 

693
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Review I think the channel is 
called reflections of life and 

694
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,320
what it is is it's a production 
company or a guy has has done a 

695
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,720
whole YouTube channel just 
talking to old men and women 

696
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,560
about love it already what 
they've learnt. 

697
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,080
Love it already in life. 
Yep, and one that really hit 

698
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,520
home was a guy just saying and 
he, he obviously being in a 

699
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480
corporate world, you know, all 
the typical stuff you hear in 

700
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,760
the corporate world, burned out,
had to get out, leaves now in 

701
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,000
the Bush somewhere and whatever 
else. 

702
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,320
But he just, he talks about. 
And now this is the wanky term 

703
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:24,239
being present, I'm going to say 
AKA also known as those times 

704
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,800
when you're somewhere and you're
aware enough to go. 

705
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,800
I realise what my environment is
now. 

706
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,040
I'm going to give you an example
of that. 

707
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,480
I get that feeling sometimes 
when I'm running in the ring at 

708
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,440
6:00 AM and it's that time of 
morning. 

709
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,760
I'm on my own, I don't have my 
headphones in and I look around 

710
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,199
and I go, this is where I want 
to be. 

711
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,120
Yeah, I'm not thinking about 
anything else. 

712
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,000
I'm just doing it. 
This morning I was in Telly 

713
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Creek swimming and we started, 
actually we went out into the 

714
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,320
ocean. 
So we went out in the ocean. 

715
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,120
So saltwater swimmers back on 
the Wednesday mornings. 

716
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,880
No better place to start in 
morning than in Tully Creek on a

717
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,960
on a bloody clear day. 
Morning to Ty and his crew. 

718
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:16,440
Yep, went out in the ocean 
looking at the bottom clear as 

719
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,480
we're doing. 
One minute, one minute on, one 

720
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,520
minute off, on the whistle and I
was swimming at one point and 

721
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,600
just looked through the water 
and went what else would you 

722
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200
want to be doing? 
What's? 

723
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,400
Yours, Liam, I'd say it's funny 
you met this is as soon as you 

724
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,200
started talking about this. 
This is amazing how worlds sync 

725
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,560
up a little bit Over the weekend
just gone. 

726
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560
I was down in Evans Head with 
the family camping. 

727
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,800
Now I've never been to Evans 
Head before because I've done 

728
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,760
that drive between Sydney and 
the Goldie a lot. 

729
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,440
Lots of different places, 
Crescent Head, Brunswick, Byron,

730
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Yamba, you know, Port Stephens. 
Never been to Evan's Head. 

731
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,560
It's now maybe my favourite 
place in between Sydney and the 

732
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Gold Coast. 
It was just an amazing weekend 

733
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,520
that campsite, the town, what it
offers, it has everything we 

734
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,480
needed for that weekend away. 
And I and I went running up 

735
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
through the headland a bit, went
doing a bit of run around the 

736
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,440
streets as well. 
Just really kind of explored 

737
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:20,800
Evan's Head and I was thinking 
as I was running that that is 

738
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,000
that weekend at Emma Head Evans 
head. 

739
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,240
Kids were surfing in the 
morning, everyone crashing out a

740
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,600
bit in the afternoon. 
Kids were like totally where I 

741
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,800
am at in life, totally 
satisfied, just still ambitious,

742
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,320
still want to achieve things, 
particularly around running and 

743
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520
ticking around excitement and 
adventures and all that sort of 

744
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,200
stuff. 
In terms of chasing stuff, it's 

745
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,120
funny because it ties into 
recently I've had had a phone 

746
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,400
call from a friend in radio or 
in media and I won't mention who

747
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,840
it was or what the conversation 
was, but the phrase he used to 

748
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:01,960
me was surely the Gold Coast 
isn't your final destination? 

749
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,480
Surely this isn't your finish 
line? 

750
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,880
Is that because someone from 
down South always believed 

751
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,720
Sydney or Melbourne is the 
place? 

752
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,080
Yeah. 
And this person wasn't 

753
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,800
necessarily from down South, but
they asked that question. 

754
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Yeah, right. 
And there was, you know, 

755
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,280
questions as to, you know, would
you move here? 

756
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,000
Would you move there? 
Would you do this? 

757
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,520
And honestly, I sat and thought 
about it, and I used the old 

758
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,960
excuse of I said, oh, look, my 
wife and kids are happy, blah, 

759
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,400
blah, blah. 
But the truth of it is like 

760
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,560
where I'm at with everything, 
what am I? 

761
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,160
What would I be chasing more 
for? 

762
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
What would I move for? 
What would, what would more get 

763
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,640
me? 
What would moving to another 

764
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,840
city, a bigger market, a high 
profile show, What would what 

765
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,880
would any of that bring me that 
would make me happier than where

766
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,520
I'm at right now? 
Now I've got a pretty busy 

767
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640
brain. 
I've got a pretty busy mind. 

768
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,280
I'm ambitious. 
I like a challenge. 

769
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160
I like to succeed, I like to 
win. 

770
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:05,440
I view most things as a 
competition, but I don't need or

771
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
want any of that right now. 
And that might change. 

772
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,720
But to your point about running 
through Nerang and looking 

773
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,800
around going this is great, this
is where I want to be and 

774
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,360
swimming in the ocean, I just 
want to be. 

775
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,920
I don't know if I've got a 
specific environment for that 

776
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,160
right now, but all of it added 
up to. 

777
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,920
You get it all. 
You get it from all of it. 

778
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Yeah, like even this, this is a 
part of it too. 

779
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Like, I've always loved 
podcasting and I've always 

780
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,320
wanted to do a podcast and I've 
done some other podcasts over 

781
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:39,600
the years. 
And this is a part of the 

782
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,400
satisfaction I have with 
everything right now. 

783
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,480
The fact that I get to sit in 
here with you weekly, talk about

784
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,160
something that talk with a mate,
talk about something that I'm 

785
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,720
passionate about and enjoy 
talking about on top of my job 

786
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,760
and on top of everything else I 
do. 

787
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Yeah, it's the balance for me 
right now is great. 

788
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480
That's nice to hear. 
Yeah, yeah. 

789
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,720
It is to hear. 
So don't stuff it up. 

790
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,160
Don't no, no, no, but that is a 
really, I think that's A and and

791
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600
obviously when people exercise, 
that's often the chemicals kick 

792
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,000
in and you can find that sense 
of peace and comfort and 

793
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
happiness wherever you are and 
realise this is very we are 

794
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,840
dancing dangerously close to 
being a wanky podcast right now 

795
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,000
called. 
Yeah, Oh, we're we're. 

796
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,760
Right there, we're right there, 
so I apologise. 

797
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,080
And I brought you this is all. 
People on you, it's all on me. 

798
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,120
But I do. 
I think if you can find those 

799
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,120
moments in your runs, in your 
whatever they are, enjoy them. 

800
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,840
Yeah, enjoy them because they're
not there all the time. 

801
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,760
And I find that once I stop, 
they can go away. 

802
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,720
They. 
Can go away pretty. 

803
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,360
Quick, but it's it's a nice 
comparison. 

804
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,280
But yeah, check out his 
reflection. 

805
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560
I've already noted it. 
I've subscribed because there's 

806
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,080
a couple there. 
The beauty of less the simple 

807
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,800
light. 
There's some that I definitely. 

808
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Forget the titles because it is 
wanky. 

809
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,160
It looks cool, but it's just 
listening to us. 

810
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,840
It's. 
Interesting. 

811
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,360
Older crew who have been through
everything and then they get to 

812
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,960
the get to the end and realise. 
This is I can tell you now what 

813
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,800
you're doing and give you a bit 
of advice and you know it's 

814
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,960
probably worthwhile listening 
to. 

815
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
I've got a couple of stories for
you from my running this week. 

816
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,120
Yep, firstly, and I didn't get 
his name, but to her for that 

817
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:23,000
gentleman was that ran past me 
on Tuesday of the week just gone

818
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,120
as we drop this on the Saturday.
Thank you because he ran past 

819
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480
and said big fan of the podcast.
Good to see you out here. 

820
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Geez, you look a bit bright 
though. 

821
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Now I want. 
A bit bright, a bit. 

822
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,680
Bright 'cause I was wearing a 
purple running top, black shorts

823
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,280
and I had the Alpha flies back 
on the Vapour flies, whatever 

824
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,880
they use, those bright green 
Nike shoes I had on. 

825
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,560
But here's the I would have. 
Said the same thing. 

826
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,400
First of all, I was walking 
because, and I'll tell you why I

827
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,280
was walking in a minute. 
So this is here's a bloke who's 

828
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,240
seen me, maybe been listening 
for a year to a running podcast 

829
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,800
and see me walking in a pair of.
Alpha flies alpha. 

830
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Flies. 
So g'day to our trail kings 

831
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,120
mates who's like to spot alpha 
flies in the wild. 

832
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,680
I was one of those people guilty
of walking along in alpha flies.

833
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,240
The reason I was walking 
Courtney a couple of weeks back,

834
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,960
I talked about that just calf 
awareness and you were spot on. 

835
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,440
You said I don't think it sounds
injured. 

836
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,360
I think it sounds sore, which 
means you've been running well 

837
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,960
or you've been pushing. 
Pushing, yeah. 

838
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,120
I went out on a run just to, I 
gave it a couple of days off and

839
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,480
I went out and I run to see how 
it was 7 KS in a 5 minute pace, 

840
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,000
up the tempo and did 5 KS at 
under 430 pace and then recovery

841
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,840
K and I felt great. 
So I'm like OK, the calf's fine.

842
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,360
But as during that rest period, 
I got back on the bike inspired 

843
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,680
a little bit by the chats we've 
been having with Dan, with Dan 

844
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,520
around Noosa try. 
I jumped on the bike and I've 

845
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,400
done 2 rides since but on. 
On the road or on the winter? 

846
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,160
No, on the road I've gone up 
into Crummon Creek, up up the 

847
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,000
out and back little thing on the
valley. 

848
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,720
But on Monday, the long weekend 
just gone. 

849
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,720
I did 50 KS. 
Now 50 KS is as probably as even

850
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,320
when I'm training for Noosa. 
It's probably as big a ride as 

851
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,240
I'll ever do, right. 
I'm not one of these 100K types.

852
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,240
I did that on the Monday. 
I tried to go out and do a Deeks

853
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,080
quarters on the Tuesday. 
The fatigue. 

854
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Yeah, just a new stress. 50K's 
on the bike. 

855
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,360
I couldn't honestly. 
I finished my 20 minute warm up 

856
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,480
before I started the main set of
dekes. 

857
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Yeah, I couldn't do it. 
I couldn't start. 

858
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,400
I was knackered. 
I was, and This is why I was 

859
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
walking in alpha flies along the
ocean way. 

860
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,960
I was cooked and I just and 
again, this is, I've ridden 

861
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,160
twice this year. 
Yeah. 

862
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,440
So I've done a total of 90K. 
It's all up. 

863
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,280
Yeah. 
So we'll be out for nearly two 

864
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,480
hours to do the few hours. 
Yeah, our our 45 hour 50 or 

865
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,240
thereabouts with, you know, 300 
elevation, not a heap, but I was

866
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:52,960
shattered. 
Haven't done it. 

867
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,880
It's a new. 
It's a. 

868
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,920
New, absolutely shattered. 
Yeah. 

869
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,240
And I, it made me think I'm 
like, this is, we talked in 

870
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,880
those episodes with Dan about 
the training off the bike, those

871
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,040
brick sessions off the bike and 
how important they are. 

872
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,560
And I remembered because even 
trying to run 24 hours after the

873
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
fact, I couldn't do a Dick's 
Quarters. 

874
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Yeah, because I'd ridden for 50 
KS the day prior. 

875
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,600
It's, it's the one, I mean, 
anyone who hasn't raced A 

876
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,040
triathlon or run off a bike, 
it's the biggest thing that 

877
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,200
surprises you about it because 
everyone just thinks, you know, 

878
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,080
you think about it as an 
individual thing. 

879
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
You swim and then you bike and 
then you run, right? 

880
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,080
It's easy. 
Yeah. 

881
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,400
And I have a certain amount of 
energy for that then, isn't it? 

882
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,720
It doesn't work like that. 
Running off a bike is a, you 

883
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,480
know, definitely a skill in 
itself for sure, but and a 

884
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,520
strength skill as well. 
You've just got a lot of a lot 

885
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,160
of underlying strength to be 
able to do it. 

886
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,680
So oh, that's good. 
Good decision though not to try 

887
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,720
and push through it. 
Oh, no, no, no. 

888
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:46,720
Yeah. 
Like it was, it was. 

889
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:50,080
And this is the, the the irony 
is this is sort of the 

890
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:57,040
development of my, I guess, 
athletic profile in that at the 

891
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,960
beginning of the year, I 
probably would have tried to 

892
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,240
push through that. 
Now I know. 

893
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,160
But then at this, immediately 
after making that mature 

894
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,520
decision, I was humbled because 
somebody listened to the podcast

895
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,160
came running past. 
I love it. 

896
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,320
I love it when we get Ricky. 
I never mentioned it, but it was

897
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,560
a few weeks back. 
I rocked up to actually it was 

898
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,360
right before this one, The Sun's
final, their their final match 

899
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,520
of the year and I was meeting 
someone down at Piccolo at 

900
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Miami. 
Yes, yes, yes. 

901
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,160
And I got out of the car and 
literally ran into a group of 

902
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,760
guys and they said we'll love 
the pie. 

903
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,360
Oh, good, too. 
Shout out. 

904
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,720
Thank you. 
Shout out to the boys. 

905
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,320
So I always say hello. 
Yeah, yes. 

906
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,000
Hanging around. 
How how's your running going? 

907
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,840
I'm running. 
Where are you at? 

908
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,520
So deuce with the amount of 
travel and the amount of you 

909
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,400
know, I've been on the road well
in Bali, then literally got home

910
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,800
for a few days and down South 
and then priority being riding 

911
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,800
motorbikes with my boys and that
and this week I've I got back 

912
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,280
running yesterday. 
So I'm just running at the 

913
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,680
moment. 
Just just knocking in some case.

914
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,520
I mean, I ran to an hour and a 
half. 

915
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,520
I could run 2 hours, you know, 
but I'm just running. 

916
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Just once I get back on the a 
bit of structure, then I'll 

917
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,160
start to get back into, you 
know, a little few more sessions

918
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,480
and whatever else. 
But in in doing that as well, 

919
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040
like I said a few weeks back, 
I've started some gym work. 

920
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,800
Summer's here. 
So get some tan, get in the 

921
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,920
water again, get in the water 
again. 

922
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,440
I'll be there when when I can 
and look at a few different 

923
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,400
swims. 
And the one thing I haven't done

924
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,800
for a while because of the 
travel is get back on the 

925
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,280
mountain bike. 
And that'll be the third thing 

926
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,640
I'll throw in there as well. 
So. 

927
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,560
I like the we got. 
For those who like KS, I'm back 

928
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
up to I think I ran 75K last 
week. 

929
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,720
There you go 75 so you for. 
For me, it's like for me, for 

930
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,680
you, it's probably three quarter
load, right, Yeah. 

931
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Just a just a couple of messages
we got through from the 

932
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,120
listeners after last week. 
Lot of response to the What do 

933
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,640
you call out as you're 
approaching runners? 

934
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,280
Yes, we did. 
And you got some audio for us I.

935
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Got one or one or I mean, it 
was, it was pretty much. 

936
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,280
I, it was a lot of response 
about the, IT was a lot of 

937
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,800
people saying. 
It was a consensus. 

938
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,920
This is pretty much the 
consensus. 

939
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Morning boys. 
Just a quick one on the 

940
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560
pedestrians up ahead of you 
while you're running or a little

941
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,360
bit slow runner you need to 
take. 

942
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,520
I just thought it was the old on
your right or on your left in 

943
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
some cases. 
And then a quick thank you is 

944
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,720
your awesome. 
Always seems to work without a 

945
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,440
drama. 
On your right. 

946
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,560
So that's Jake Roberts and in 
but also bet Colesbury Lauren 

947
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,280
Mitchell a few of the others who
wrote in Jordan Mcgorw said the 

948
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,000
surgery yeah, I mean we were 
probably discussing that need 

949
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,960
didn't need to be discussed. 
It sounds like everyone says 

950
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,480
right or. 
Left. 

951
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,320
No, no, I had a few people reach
out and go. 

952
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,280
Track is hilarious. 
Ohh really? 

953
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Yeah, 'cause they had no idea 
they'd never heard of someone 

954
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,280
shouting track. 
It did. 

955
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,360
I, I don't know who it was One 
someone I read did say. 

956
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,560
But when we're running around a 
track, if you're running, we 

957
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,200
run. 
We yell track at someone's 

958
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,840
stationary. 
We don't run. 

959
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,400
We don't yell track. 
At someone running past. 

960
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,320
Just run. 
Just run around the outside. 

961
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800
Yeah, I, I wanted to shout this 
out as a message we got from 

962
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
Corey Lucas. 
He sent this in and I hadn't 

963
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,160
seen this before but he reckons 
his comment was it's nice of 

964
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Strava to add the activity tag 
for when you run with your slow 

965
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,080
mate because you can. 
When you update your activity on

966
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Strava and you go to give it A 
tag, you can. 

967
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,520
There's race, there's long run, 
there's workout, recovery, 

968
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,200
commute. 
There's also with PET. 

969
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,760
With. 
Pet and I think Corey's using 

970
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080
the with pet tag for when he's 
going. 

971
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,960
So is that if I see whip pet or 
with pet? 

972
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,440
If I see you label one of our 
runs together in Narang as with 

973
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,440
pet? 
With pet, I'm not happy about 

974
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,640
it. 
So there you go. 

975
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,880
For people, if you're having to 
run with your slower mate, just 

976
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,360
tag us with pet exercise on 
Strava. 

977
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Yep. 
Remember a few weeks back Ben 

978
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,480
Tennant wrote in, or actually 
sent us a video of him up. 

979
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,280
Not you when he was sweeping. 
Sweeping across country 

980
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,760
listening to us and we were 
talking about something similar.

981
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640
He wrote back to us, 'cause I 
asked him, you know where, what 

982
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,880
the hell are you doing in the UK
listening to us? 

983
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,760
He was listening to us again. 
And thanks for the shout out, 

984
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Liam. 
And he was listening, oh, that's

985
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,840
right, he was listening to your 
Gold Coast versus Brisbane 

986
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,920
commentary. 
Commentary. 

987
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,240
That's right, so he's driving 
along the Dead Sea of all places

988
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,200
at the moment. 
Would you believe I'm crewing 

989
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,760
another EX Ultra X event? 
This time it's a 220 kilometre 

990
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,360
in the Wow rum in Jordan. 
Wow, I wanna be. 

991
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
There, I wanna talk to Ben. 
I wanna be in Jordan. 

992
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,400
He was one of the medics and 
boy, there was lots of blisters 

993
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,920
to pop that was his job, popping
blisters. 

994
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,880
So to answer the question, yes 
he was he's Australian, he's 

995
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,680
been in London for almost 2 
years working as a paramedic. 

996
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,640
We could listen a big fan of the
pod and maybe you boys could 

997
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,320
make it over the UK for one of 
these ultras I'd. 

998
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Love to so Ben. 
I can't say it's going to 

999
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,280
happen. 
But this, but this is part of 

1000
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,800
the itch, right, of the itchy, 
the scratchy itch, the itchy 

1001
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,120
scratch this 160 K I've talked 
about a little bit, But my 

1002
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,760
friend Ed who signed up to do 
it, whoever raised the fines 

1003
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,960
with he's in. 
And I just have this feeling of 

1004
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,680
if I sign up and we run it, you 
earn, I think they're called 

1005
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,760
stones or whatever. 
And then you take those stones, 

1006
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,320
you put them in the lottery for 
UTMB. 

1007
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Now Ed and I have said that 
we'll do UTMB together one day, 

1008
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,560
right? 
And I just get the sense that if

1009
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,680
I sign up, there's a lot of 
dominoes to fall here. 

1010
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,360
But I get the sense if I sign up
to UTA 100 mile A and I we both 

1011
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,320
put our stones in, we will. 
You reckon get. 

1012
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,360
Accepted into UTMB, the luck and
then next thing out, you know, 

1013
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Courtney, you and I are figuring
out logistically how to do this 

1014
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,920
podcast from Chamonix in France 
out of UTMB, and I'm crying and 

1015
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,200
panicking as I go. 
How do you use running poles? 

1016
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,280
How? 
Do you use? 

1017
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Well, I'd hope you'd work that 
out before you get there. 

1018
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,160
And actually Poles, yeah, that's
something you do. 

1019
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,840
You ever run with poles? 
Never run with poles. 

1020
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,240
I mean, I had poles on a few 
times. 

1021
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,080
We had poles snowshoeing. 
Right. 

1022
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,440
But you've never like because 
you see people really clipping 

1023
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,920
along with them. 
Yeah, I mean, most of the 

1024
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Australian runs, there's 
nothing. 

1025
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,720
Nothing worth. 
There's nothing pulling them 

1026
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,320
out. 
I mean, those who are out for a 

1027
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,200
long time and are hiking up the 
hills of some of the ultras, you

1028
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,000
know, probably grab them out. 
But generally for the shorter 

1029
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,480
races. 
Sorry, I've just remembered 

1030
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,480
something because I'll tell you 
how my brain arrived where we 

1031
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,640
are. 
The running shoes or sorry, 

1032
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,240
running poles and running kit, 
running tech. 

1033
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,960
My mind went to mouth tape 
because no, no, no, but don't 

1034
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,160
you think the bubbles burst? 
When was it like, don't you feel

1035
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,080
like the moment of? 
Mouth tape. 

1036
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,240
Sorry, nasal breath, the nasal 
strips, I feel like it's done. 

1037
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,360
I feel like it's popped. 
I don't feel like, I mean, I 

1038
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,200
realise we're about to, you 
know, annoy people and probably 

1039
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
raise it again. 
But for a while there it was 

1040
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,320
everywhere. 
And now I feel like they've shut

1041
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
up. 
Maybe they've put the nasal 

1042
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,680
strips over their mouths. 
I would just say the algorithm, 

1043
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,440
I just said no, maybe that's it.
But no, the other reason that 

1044
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,760
brought it on is that did you 
say a little while back there 

1045
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,840
was some doctors, doctors, I'm 
just laughing, doctors coming 

1046
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,360
off and saying that people who 
are taping their mouth shut at 

1047
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,480
night, oh, it's probably 
dangerous. 

1048
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Doctors have come out and said 
that like. 

1049
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Your mouth shut or your nose? 
Shut. 

1050
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,480
No, no 'cause you know there's 
people. 

1051
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Yes, yes. 
Two separate things. 

1052
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,480
Nose nasal strips that people 
say helps you run. 

1053
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,360
Mouth. 
And then mouth tape, which 

1054
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,720
people use at night they reckon 
improve their sleep. 

1055
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,040
But doctors have now since come 
out and said. 

1056
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,080
Maybe not the best I'd. 
Probably don't tape your mouth 

1057
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,360
shut. 
Why are you sleeping? 

1058
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,880
There's no strong evidence that 
it helps improve sleep and that 

1059
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,800
this sleep doctor has said that 
there are other things you 

1060
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,800
should probably try rather than 
taping your mouth shut. 

1061
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,280
Like a CPAP machine or 
prescription mouth peeps pieces 

1062
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,120
that can open your mouth instead
of taping your mouth. 

1063
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,400
I just loved it. 
For me that was everything. 

1064
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,920
All the that whole Instagram 
running world. 

1065
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,720
I'm like, don't tape your mouth 
shut. 

1066
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,040
So you haven't seen a nose strip
on his hand for a while? 

1067
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,280
Or more importantly, in the 
street on runners. 

1068
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,880
For a long the Esplanade. 
The the last. 

1069
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,880
That's where they were. 
Popping. 

1070
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,040
The last runner I saw with a 
nasal strip was probably me when

1071
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,480
I stared in the mirror because 
you bought some and made me wear

1072
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,600
them. 
Anyway, shout out to your nasal 

1073
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,280
strip runners. 
Bear Grylls, let's bear up to. 

1074
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,800
Back around, Brett Doherty 
shared this one. 

1075
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Bear Grylls. 
He's got together with his 

1076
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,600
company, I think, and they're 
doing the world's deepest 

1077
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,680
marathon. 
What the world's deepest? 

1078
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,000
If I said to you the world's 
deepest marathon, what are you 

1079
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,560
thinking? 
I assume it's underwater. 

1080
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,120
No, in a mine. 
Ah yeah, that makes more sense. 

1081
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,800
Yep. 
So three weeks. 

1082
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,720
When was this? 
Three weeks to go? 

1083
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,640
Three days ago. 
So they're three weeks out. 

1084
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,920
Taking marathon running to 
another level. 

1085
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,640
History awaits. 
So I looked at the map. 

1086
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,440
Runners will descend 1120 metres
below sea level, enduring 

1087
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,960
temperatures of up to 28°, with 
natural light replaced by head 

1088
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,920
torches. 
The route takes them 1.92, so 

1089
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,120
it's pretty much 2 kilometres to
a turn around point where 

1090
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,040
they'll make their way back and 
they'll do this 11 times. 

1091
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,680
Does this interest you? 
OK. 

1092
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,320
Yeah, a 4K loop. 
I guess so. 

1093
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,840
That's the thing that doesn't 
interest me. 

1094
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,920
I like the idea of this is cool,
this is something different, 

1095
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,080
this is an experience. 
I like it. 

1096
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,360
I'd the idea of doing a 4K loop 
for a marathon distance. 

1097
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,720
No, not appealing to me in the 
slightest. 

1098
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Loop loops not at circuits as a 
as a distance look if it was a, 

1099
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,760
if it was a 10K circuit, if it 
was a 15K circuit, maybe, But 4K

1100
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,640
circuits? 
I'm getting bored. 

1101
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,960
I'm getting bored. 
I do like the idea of taking it 

1102
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,160
underground though. 
I think this is cool. 

1103
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,120
I was looking. 
For it was, so it's in Sweden. 

1104
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,880
Sure, yeah. 
I mean, it's cool. 

1105
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,920
It's different. 
I mean so I. 

1106
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,120
Think a 4K loop I'm sure. 
No idea here, just talking about

1107
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,400
but Australia's got to have 
better shafts to go and run a 

1108
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,040
marathon. 
We must like some of our minds 

1109
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,480
would be just mad. 
Just chop that up, chop that up 

1110
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,120
for a real Australia's got to 
have better shafts, he said. 

1111
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Yeah, I'll probably do. 
We'd have to have there. 

1112
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,320
Would someone who's in mining, 
if you listen, tell us what's 

1113
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,880
the longest loop you could do 
underground in Australia? 

1114
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Because maybe this is an idea I 
can see. 

1115
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
You said told me there's a 
mining mob, there's some site 

1116
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,360
out. 
No, but they're doing it on, 

1117
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,320
they're doing it on top. 
Still, there's no. 

1118
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,600
Running track out there doesn't 
count. 

1119
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,240
OK, It's got to be underground, 
all right. 

1120
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,120
If you've got some of the big, 
I'm going to go some of the big 

1121
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:16,200
holes, some of the big holes in 
the shafts if you ran from the 

1122
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:23,160
bottom of them or I've got a 
feeling some of them are pretty 

1123
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,240
long. 
Don't talk about feelings lost. 

1124
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,000
Don't talk about feelings with 
this conversation. 

1125
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,400
I want to know anyone who knows 
what is the longest loop we can 

1126
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,160
run underground in Australian 
wine. 

1127
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Please beautifully avoided, 
beautifully danced around. 

1128
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,080
That's no, no, no, the I admire 
it. 

1129
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
And this is this is where we're 
at. 

1130
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,880
We got, you know the world of 
running now has two of the big 

1131
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,280
toys of running Garment and 
Strava, suing each other. 

1132
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,640
Now you've got people exploring 
marathons underground. 

1133
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,120
We've officially hit peak, hit 
peak running mode. 

1134
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,440
Yep. 
To take that local, just want to

1135
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280
give a shout out to the Cup 
coming up at Naring. 

1136
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
This is our local race of the 
week, so October the 25th. 

1137
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,400
So what's that? 
Three weekends away, give or 

1138
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,320
take two weekends away and talk 
about loops. 

1139
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Shout out Steve Gannon do great 
event. 

1140
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Organiser. 
Yep. 

1141
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,000
So he does it. 
He does it better than most. 

1142
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,360
What do they do? 
Let me see. 

1143
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,680
We've talked about this plenty 
of times before. 

1144
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,520
I think it's about a 1.25 K 
loop. 

1145
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,800
You keep running it, they drop, 
you drop certain. 

1146
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,760
People, I think you're 
guaranteed of running about 10K 

1147
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,560
it's you can you get you get to 
run about 10K before they start 

1148
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,640
making the cut and then at the 
end of each lap from then on the

1149
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,840
last couple of runners get cut 
until it's down to the the fuck 

1150
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,080
I can't remember the final race 
is. 

1151
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,280
Called alright and I've just 
seen the map so they also do. 

1152
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,360
I always thought it's just the 
one loop, but but they've got a 

1153
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,680
few different loops by the look 
of it here, that around the the 

1154
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,800
criterium track and around. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1155
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,760
Because there's different hills,
different ways you can run it 

1156
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,320
and everything. 
Yeah, if the thought of getting 

1157
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,000
out and about and deep in Bush 
or in mountains or something 

1158
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,840
like that is a bit intimidating 
for you, something like The Cut 

1159
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,760
is a perfect opening into that 
world because you stay local, 

1160
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,360
you stay in the one spot it's 
it's safe and it's a nice way 

1161
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,440
into that endurance, real 
endurance side of the running 

1162
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,160
world. 
A couple of other things we need

1163
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,440
to talk about. 
I know you want to shout out The

1164
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,880
Cut, but also we should give a 
big shout out to anybody taking 

1165
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,000
on the Melbourne Marathon this 
weekend. 

1166
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Yes. 
So Melbourne marrow, I'm 

1167
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,080
fascinated. 
Like I cannot wait to see next 

1168
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,440
weekend's episode. 
I'm looking forward to being out

1169
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,960
of sharing some cool stuff from 
the Melbourne Marathon because I

1170
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,720
think off the back of what Gold 
Coast delivered this year into 

1171
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,520
Sydney being a major, I expect 
Melbourne to meet that 

1172
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,920
challenge. 
Do you know what I haven't seen?

1173
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,320
I haven't seen Melbourne on my 
social. 

1174
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,680
No, neither have I but. 
Prior to Sydney, I was sick of 

1175
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Sydney. 
No, honestly, yeah, I'd had 

1176
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,280
enough. 
They went hard. 

1177
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,880
I'd had enough. 
They went hard. 

1178
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Gold Coast probably in the 
middle, Yep. 

1179
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,000
But Sydney was to the point 
where I was like, I just don't 

1180
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,120
want to. 
Like this is just all the same 

1181
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,120
to me now. 
I don't want to see it, whereas 

1182
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,040
I can't say I've seen Melbourne.
No, and that's why I'm 

1183
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,600
interested to see how the event 
plays out because I would argue 

1184
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,840
that I think Melbourne's 
probably home to more or if not 

1185
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,320
as many more influencer runners 
than Sydney. 

1186
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,280
I think there's a lot of them 
based in Melbourne. 

1187
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,480
So I'm really interested to see 
what Melbourne churns out from a

1188
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,360
content perspective. 
See, I'm going to do a quick 

1189
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,560
test. 
I'm going to click into our in 

1190
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,560
the Beginning podcast, which I 
haven't for a while either, So 

1191
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,840
it will give me a good algorithm
read. 

1192
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,000
I wouldn't like 5000. 
Yeah, we're getting up there. 

1193
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Get behind us. 
Yeah, people are listening. 

1194
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,840
This is good. 
I can't work. 

1195
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,240
Hey, look, I'll. 
Tell you what I'll say is 0. 

1196
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,600
Look, OK, look, this is a good 
'cause we, this is a Instagram. 

1197
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,160
So you talk about algorithms, 
right? 

1198
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,600
This is a good guide because we 
only use this for this podcast 

1199
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,600
and running, yes. 
So it's not like our personal 

1200
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,240
one, it's not attached and 
whatever else. 

1201
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,880
My first I've gone in here, the 
first thing I've seen is the 

1202
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,520
Suck Saucony Saucony maze run. 
Each which we've talked about. 

1203
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:13,240
First thing, I've been spammed. 
Second thing, oh sunto files 

1204
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,480
lawsuit against Garmin. 
What? 

1205
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,000
When's that from? 
Alleging that five of it's 

1206
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,480
patents were infringed upon. 
Garmin's under the pump. 

1207
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,800
Garmin's legal ways continuous 
Sunto claims in a lawsuit that 

1208
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,440
it's patents, including one for 
an antenna design with. 

1209
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,880
We are literally, we are 
literally learning about this on

1210
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,560
the fly here. 
We had a little bit of prep for 

1211
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,040
the Strava Garmin. 
So I've I've I've copped these 

1212
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,520
are suggested for me. 
So the first one we obviously we

1213
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,320
follow Sokconi, then I've been 
spammed with SA Garmin. 

1214
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,680
Then the next one I've been 
Strava has popped up just a a 

1215
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,480
random post. 
But not a lot of Melbourne. 

1216
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Triathlon we have been doing, 
you know, obviously we've been 

1217
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,800
talking triathlon, but I'm, I'm 
seeing 0. 

1218
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Well, here's here's what I'll 
say to any. 

1219
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,560
E Bike riders in QLD. 
Well, here's what I'll say to 

1220
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,680
anybody that's running. 
Melbourne here we go. 

1221
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,240
I've got Melbourne. 
Who? 

1222
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,160
Cam Merrick. 
Cam. 

1223
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,400
That rings a bell. 
Didn't. 

1224
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,720
Cam win the yeah the. 
City, just yeah, I was going to 

1225
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,120
say he was, he was your Japan 
winner. 

1226
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,160
Yes. 
So he's yeah. 

1227
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,240
So there you go. 
It's it's there. 

1228
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,120
Here's. 
What I'll say to anybody that's 

1229
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,480
running Melbourne this weekend 
that listens to the podcast, 

1230
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,360
tell us how you went. 
Tell us how it was. 

1231
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Give us a first hand account. 
Give us your experience of the 

1232
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,040
event. 
And if you've run it, especially

1233
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,360
if you've run it before, how did
it compare this year to previous

1234
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,680
years? 
Because I I would expect it to 

1235
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,400
have lifted its game to have 
elevated off the back of rising 

1236
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,160
tide lifts all ships. 
The the running boom has lifted 

1237
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,880
Gold Coast marathon to another 
level, certainly took Sydney to 

1238
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,800
another level as a major. 
I would expect it to do the same

1239
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,520
at at Melbourne. 
Wait and see. 

1240
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,680
The other thing, The other event
we should chat out is the JC50, 

1241
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,800
which is happening here this 
locally this weekend. 

1242
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,840
It's not an event. 
The 50 is not an A part, an 

1243
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,080
event that appeals to me on the 
front, on the just on the front,

1244
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,480
just because it's my regular 
run. 

1245
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,800
It's a great place to run. 
It's. 

1246
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Beautiful. 
And if you've never run it 

1247
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,880
before, it's not your local. 
Get out there and get into it. 

1248
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,200
I mean, it's sold out. 
They don't need help. 

1249
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,920
Interesting one. 
I mean, I, I think it's amazing 

1250
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,480
we've got all these events to. 
Choose from the same weekend. 

1251
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Yeah, or there's just so much 
choice. 

1252
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,120
It's an interesting one, a 50K 
road race. 

1253
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,520
Though, because, well, it's an 
ultra. 

1254
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,840
But it's for, I mean, it's a 
trail distance. 50K is a trail 

1255
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,360
distance. 
So then go and put it. 

1256
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,200
It's kind of like just make it a
marathon. 

1257
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,040
Like no one. 
Like who? 

1258
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,600
Who? 
There's no. 

1259
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,120
Differentiation then. 
No, but like, yeah, I bet I can 

1260
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,680
guarantee you if you're running 
that 50K you're gonna go through

1261
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,320
on your Strava or on your what 
was my marathon? 

1262
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,680
Yeah, in the end, just make it a
marathon. 

1263
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,240
Make it a half, make it a 
marathon. 

1264
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,520
That's road running. 
Leave. 

1265
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,480
Leave the trail distances. 
Our our our Mara, our Mara 

1266
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,280
series queen Bronte is doing the
half. 

1267
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,800
This week ago she's running the 
half. 

1268
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,840
She has she improved? 
Have you chatted to her? 

1269
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,000
She. 
She went off running for a 

1270
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,320
little bit. 
She had a little bit of a 

1271
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,760
running dip and she was trading 
to the gym into a, you know, 

1272
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,880
back into some team exercising. 
No, no, no, not with the PT and 

1273
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,280
back into group sessions. 
Really enjoying that 

1274
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,560
camaraderie. 
Yes. 

1275
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,400
And then she started finding her
way back into running. 

1276
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,640
And it was interesting. 
She said to me in the office, I 

1277
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,840
think I'm done with running. 
And I'm like, you're not. 

1278
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,840
And then next thing I know, she 
says I'm signed up for the half 

1279
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,160
at the GC 50. 
But interestingly, she actually 

1280
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,920
jumped in with some friends of 
hers were doing a a fundraising 

1281
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,120
run from Brisbane to Byron last 
weekend just gone. 

1282
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,520
Yeah. 
And she jumped in for I think 

1283
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,880
she said she jumped in for 16 or
20. 

1284
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,680
OK with them on the run so 
fresh. 

1285
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,480
Fresh off the bat. 
Just fresh jumped in, got them 

1286
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,880
out there's. 
A lot going on all right. 

1287
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,880
Anyway, that's us done for 
another week. 

1288
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,120
Again, Look, we don't we we've 
sort of eased up on the push but

1289
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,360
and if you got to this stage, 
chances are you're already 

1290
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,080
subscribing. 
But if you've got some people in

1291
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,360
your life that is just getting 
into the running boom, go tell 

1292
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,560
them to listen from episode 1. 
That's the preferred way to 

1293
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,640
listen. 
We want you to listen from the 

1294
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,880
start all the way through. 
Yeah, and those triathletes out 

1295
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,520
there, if you you listen and go 
into Noosa, that's right. 

1296
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,040
We've had a few more episodes 
drop on the Wednesday with Dan 

1297
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:23,920
Atkins. 
Exactly. 

1298
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,360
And if you are that bloke that 
ran past me earlier in the week,

1299
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,640
please come find me when I'm 
running next time so so I can 

1300
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,400
prove to you. 
Feel, feel. 

1301
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,960
Free to call Liam out anytime. 
Alright, see you. 

1302
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:34,440
Next week.