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In the beginning, episode 56, we
are back Courtney. 

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First thing we need to do is 
apologise to the triple figure 

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white community. 
We've got that that episode. 

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If you haven't listened that 
episode we that we dropped on 

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Wednesday for the Noosa Tri 
series. 

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With Justin White, the 
Clydesdale. 

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The white. 
White by name and white by 

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nature. 
The Clydesdale. 

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He's been called out, hasn't he?
Hasn't he? 

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92 KG doesn't cut. 
It the 100 plus club have come 

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for Justin. 
He he started saying there is a 

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90 to 100 a hundred plus and the
100 plus club have pretty much 

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come in and said no. 
Well, I need to give a specific 

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shout out to Beau Jones, one of 
the great We've spoken about 

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Beau previously and bottle it 
and the the charitable 

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organisation that he runs. 
You'll see. 

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If you've ever been to a 
triathlon, you might have seen 

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one of the athletes getting 
around in the floral kit. 

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Bo Jones has been sharing the 
stories from that episode. 

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Yes, the outrage, he said. 
My DMS have lit up. 

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This is not real Clyde's style. 
I think the message he used is 

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for those athletes that make the
grounds shake when they run. 

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Make the paths. 
Make the make the foot paths 

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shake when they run this sub 
100K nonsense. 

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They are not true Clydesdales. 
What's in? 

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What do you reckon he weighs in 
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Oh, Bo's over 100. 
Bo's are big. 

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Like he's in he's in the yeah Bo
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he's solid. 
Yep, real solid fellow SO. 

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You know, we've been calling, so
I did get a message from our our

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#1 fan Ryan Kelso as well saying
Armada Marathon. 

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Yes. 
On board they're going to do the

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weigh insurance on he's hoping 
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stage Oh do it Yep but his wife 
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can't have women 80 men at 100 
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concerned that he's going to get
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off the ground for being. 
For being unequal here. 

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For not being. 
What do you reckon at that call?

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It should be 100 hundred. 
I mean, look, we get into 

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physiological things here where 
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lighter than men. 
So I understand what Ryan's. 

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Trying to do all a bit of fun 
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We just love the fact that you 
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to run when you are a, a larger 
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Well, let me get into this right
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I want to get this. 
You don't know about this yet, 

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but my T-shirt might give 
something away, Do you? 

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What can you see here? 
I can I I can see a Puma. 

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Yeah, right, I am. 
And time of recording or the OR 

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the date people might be 
listening to this will be the 

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Saturday the 18th of October. 
On Monday, yes, Ned's 

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uncomfortable challenge kicks 
off Ned Brockman's. 

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He does it through Puma. 
He created this obviously Ned 

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famously getting uncomfortable 
doing these various challenges. 

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Puma, one of his major partners,
he created this thing with them.

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Ned's uncomfortable challenge 
runs for 10 days, encouraging 

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people to get out there and make
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uncomfortable. 
And does he have a Clydesdale 

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class? 
Well, he. 

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Should have a Clydesdale class 
in a uncomfortable challenge. 

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That's the way I thought you're 
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With me, No. 
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needs reached out and said 
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year and I said sure, sure, send
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as well with the carbon in them.
What are they? 

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They're they're race. 
Shoes. 

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They're the they're probably the
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twelves. 
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So that's kind of your your 
tempo trainer. 

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Yeah, really fun to run in. 
A bit envious of you, you, you 

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seem to be getting a lot more 
free shooted out of this podcast

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than I do. 
You got you got a pair of Nike 

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Alpha flies there. 
Now you're copping some Pumas. 

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I tell you what, I'm actually 
seeing Ned next week. 

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I'll. 
I'm I'm OK, I'm OK. 

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No, no, but I am a bit jealous. 
Like a lot of free snappies 

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blowing you away. 
The reason I bring up Ned's 

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uncomfortable challenges because
I said, Yep, I'll get involved 

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and I do want to get involved 
because I think it's good fun. 

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The thing for me is though, 
distance isn't uncomfortable, 

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right? 
I can we can go out and I and 

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it's more kind of I'm not, I'm 
not time rich. 

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I don't because of the kids and 
work and everything else. 

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I don't have a lot of time on my
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challenge myself now, the thing 
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Can I take a guess? 
Oh, here we go. 

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Are you going to do something 
around ice bath? 

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No, every day. 
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think that's. 
Probably the most uncomfortable 

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thing I can. 
That is uncomfortable, yes. 

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What I'm going to do and this 
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stumbling block. 
This is where I need your help. 

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Stairs. 
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Oh OK, Yep, this was my plan and
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to this was 10 days for the 
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I wanted to tackle the Karumbin 
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the alley Crime and Ally is and 
there's the stairs that go up. 

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I, I I don't know that, but I've
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problems around those stairs. 
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look out down over Elephant 
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Sorry, no, not Elephant Rock, 
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nearby. 
No, I know. 

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I know what you mean. 
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that's it. 
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walkers verse runners issue like
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Yes, this was my plan. 
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uncomfortable challenge. 
I do sets of those stairs based 

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on Max temperature forecast for 
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Oh, so if it's 28, you're gonna 
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8 steps, that's what do you 
think of that? 

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Well, I think if you were to do 
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what's the temperature at the 
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Because I know you're not in the
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You you can't do this in the 
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at your radio show. 
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PM in the day and it's 34. 
Look it up. 

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Well, I think no, but I think 
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Max the the maximum temperature 
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So for example today, yes, 
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though the temperature right now
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You you've got to do. 
That I've got to do 20. 6. 

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It's a good challenge, 
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Got a bit of a. 
Ring to it. 

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Bit of a ring to it. 
Now here's the problem I have, 

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though, and you might have 
already solved it. 

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Crum and stairs. 
I went to check them out the 

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other day. 
Yeah, they've been demolished. 

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There's work being done, so I 
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Gold Coast. 
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enough? 
No, because they're not that big

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at Miami. 
They're grey, they're colourful.

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2820. 
Eight sets 20. 

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Eight sets of those stairs. 
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steps, but where I was going was
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I'm not going to say exactly 
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uncomfortable challenge for you.
OK, go. 

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How does more 700 metres of 
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Sound at a time, yes, sounds. 
Sounds like I'm not doing 28 

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sets of it. 
No 7. 100 metres, you weren't 

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uncomfortable, it's probably a 
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For you how? 
How long? 

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Hold on. 
So this is 1. 11-UP. 

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What was your distance? 
In just under 5 kilometres. 

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Wow, that's Oh well, you said 
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You want a. 
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did that take you? 
5 KS. 

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Well, I, I had a bit of, I put a
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morning. 
So that's where I was thinking 

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maybe you could go somewhere 
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No, but that was going to be my 
alternative. 

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But you could put some weight on
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on what the day is and do 
something around that. 

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So people, tell me what you 
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be, that was my alternative 
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I was going to go and it was 
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weight. 
So it was either going to be I 

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have to do the amount of sets 
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that's how much weight I have to
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So if it's 28 I have to do 28 
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with 28 kilos on if. 
You're posting this on social 

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media, you're going to get much 
better uptake if you put weight 

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on. 
Ohh really? 

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I just think it's. 
More the will OK, more 

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impressive. 
Tell me more about this. 

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Rock, You went on more more 
impressive to me putting weight 

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on. 
Especially after the Wednesday 

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episode. 
Like, it just looks good. 

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Yeah, You probably hit the high 
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there's a thing. 
And now I'm, I'm, I'm joking, 

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but I this is what I did this 
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I put 10 KG on my back and then 
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I I've been down at the Hunter 
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And I mean running like you 
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I thought I'll just give my day,
just give myself a a bit of a a 

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day off. 
Yeah, a day off running. 

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And I've been, you know, I'm on 
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time. 
So remember I was talking a 

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little bit about the UT MB, how 
the the two winners and their 

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coach up the uphill training 
coach plays around a lot with 

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rocking. 
And when I say rocking, it's 

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like putting weight on your 
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Instead of running up the hill, 
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your muscles are taking a lot 
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So I've been playing around a 
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of interest in getting a feel of
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Now here was my problem Liam and
I was walking up this trail this

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morning when I'm saying walking,
I'm power hiking up this trail 

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this morning and I would have 
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You know, it's it's pretty solid
work. 

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So this. 
Is with 10K on that well you? 

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Think you guys 7 It's 700 metres
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kilometres. 
So if you go back down to 

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Kanani, it's probably steeper 
than what? 

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You'll see it and with 10 kilos 
in your back. 

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Yes, I'm walking along and I 
look down and there's a little 

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whip snake, I reckon. 
Oh, right under my feet am I? 

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I danced. 
I danced like a ballerina. 

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I danced. 
The problem is my calves. 

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Oh no. 
And oh, it was like, oh, no, no,

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I'm OK, I'm OK, but the snake 
nearly put an end to my running 

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again. 
I, it felt like I, you know 

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what, like if you did 
plyometrics and you've got to do

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a box jump, it was kind of like 
that. 

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But I've got 10K, I've got the 
extra weight on my back and I've

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gone to just, I've just 
automatically gone into 

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protective. 
Mode. 

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Yeah, slight mode and. 
Off that calf that I, you know, 

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previously had a bit of issues 
with. 

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And I just was like, oh. 
And how's it pulled up to the 

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snake? 
No, no, no. 

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It's it's all good. 
I keep going. 

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I. 
Do like the idea that you turn 

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up to your physio appointment 
saying I think I've torn my 

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calf, I'll pick my calf. 
OK, Tell me what happened. 

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Well, well, I saw a snake and 
then I jumped, but I also had 10

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kilos on my back. 
Yeah, like probably doing 

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everything you shouldn't be 
doing. 

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How have you found the rocking 
exercise? 

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How have you found that as 
someone who's tried a lot of 

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stuff? 
All I know is going if you're 

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putting the weight on your back 
and you know, we've seen this 

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probably more around like you 
see guys, you know, training, go

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to the military and you see a 
lot, I mean. 

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Maybe. 
Is it the Murph challenge that a

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lot of the cross fitters used to
do? 

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Do they do it uphill? 
No, typically the mile they run 

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in that is not is. 
But with a you, we've got a 

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weight vest. 
OK, so like if anyone's 

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listening, just let's be really 
clear, I'm not advocating 

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running with extra weight on 
flat ground. 

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OK, no. 
No, you you think that that 

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that's like putting. 
It's a waste of time. 

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I don't know about the the 
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recipe for disaster that you're 
landing with all that extra 

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weight. 
The whole point of hiking up the

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hill with the extra weight is 
I'm not loading up on like 

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gravity. 
So it's a purely A muscular 

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exercise. 
And look, I haven't done it. 

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I don't. 
I don't. 

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I haven't done enough to 
understand if it's effective or 

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not. 
But then I take that weight off 

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to come down, so I'm not 
carrying the weight the whole 

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time. 
So you're doing the 5K, your 

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five KS 700 metres vert with 10 
kilos up, and then you take that

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weight off your back on the 
descent? 

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Yes, right. 
That's interesting. 

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So if anyone wants to go and 
find some lead at the top of 

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Springboro. 
Yeah, you've left it up there. 

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No, it's water. 
It's water, it gets, it gets 

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released. 
Oh, so you OK? 

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That's really interesting again.
So you've actually, because in 

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my mind you've put a 10K plate. 
Yeah, and I'm just stocking all 

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my old iron weights up the top 
there and then one day go and 

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collect them in the car. 
No, no, no, no. 

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So. 
You're putting 10 kilos of 

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water. 
Yes. 

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And is I'm. 
I'm about to show how is that 

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just 10 litres? 
Yeah, OK. 

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I don't know how much a litre 
weighs. 

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Is it a kilo? 
Oh well. 

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I'm. 
Assuming it is, I don't know is 

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is is is Creek water heavier 
than tap water? 

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This is getting into that area 
of lungs, lungs and. 

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Hold on, here we go. 
One litre does not equal 1 

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kilogramme for all substances. 1
litre of water has a mass of 

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almost exactly 1K almost fine. 
OK, so we're we're tall then. 

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Water's density is about we. 
Want to have a per litre? 

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What about Creek water? 
Look, it doesn't give me. 

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It doesn't give me that it's. 
Got a lot of, it's got a lot of 

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What do you call them? 
It's probably minerals. 

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It's probably heavy. 
I'll probably carry 12 kilos, 

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yeah. 
It's, I agree, I think you've 

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done it with 12 kilos because 
it's Creek water, so. 

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Let's go 12 kilos up the hill 
because I'm carrying Creek 

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water. 
It's 700 metres of elevation. 

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Yeah, I mean, that's just a 
nice. 

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And how long did that take you 
walk in the forest? 

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I think it was about and I'd 
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think it was about an hour up. 
OK, OK, 55 minutes an hour up. 

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We well, we can run up there, 
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Elevation, The reason I ask 
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went for I had a light week last
week, I really struggled to find

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time to run. 
And although I had been back at 

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a gym and I'll tell you about 
talking, I think we're sort of 

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we're in the area of some stuff 
I've been doing with that impact

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running specific stuff. 
But I went for a run and the 

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plan was to do some trail runs. 
The problem was the intended 

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turn off into trails was blocked
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planning on. 
We're going over Creek was 

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blocked. 
So we ended up running the road.

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I did 27 KS and you know trees 
Rd. 

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Yeah, I do know. 
I've ridden. 

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It's a bike Rd. 
Yeah, it's not really a running.

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Road. 
It's not a running Rd, no around

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trees. 
Road 27 KS with about it felt 

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like a lot more but 500 metres 
of elevation, that's a solid 

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run. 
It was hot. 

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This was last Saturday. 
It was hot in the middle of the 

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day. 
Look, I really enjoyed it, but 

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it was a tough old run. 
Did you? 

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I think I enjoyed it. 
I did. 

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No, I did 'cause I hadn't run 
much. 

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Yeah, although my hamstrings are
still paying for a little bit at

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the. 
Moment I know trees well. 

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We used to do cycling if it's up
there. 

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Well, as I was running along, 
there's no shoulder. 

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No, no. 
But there's not a lot of, I 

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mean, maybe there is now, maybe 
the valley. 

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But there I was running along 
and thinking, jeez, I'd love to 

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be in the trail right now 'cause
the running on the road is 

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awful. 
Could you just tell the postman 

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or the Amazon delivery closing 
stop coming right when we're 

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recording? 
You know, it's an in the 

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beginning podcast episode 
because the posties turn up to 

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deliver a package 100%. 
Hey, can I tell you a bit about 

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these exercises I've been doing 
which I'm finding I've got 

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something, I can't talk about it
yet, but I've got something on 

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the way that I'll talk about at 
a later date. 

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It's part of motivating some of 
the decisions I'm making around 

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the training I'm doing at the 
moment. 

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Really simple exercise I've been
doing at Momentum Gym, which 

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I've just joined up here, Wade 
Lee's who I'm loving. 

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Listening to Wade talk and the 
way he talks about the exercise 

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and the specificity of all the 
things he's doing and getting 

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your brain switched on. 
It's great. 

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I'm loving it. 
I feel it's a bit like when you 

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start talking about the way you 
train, the way Wade's 

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instructing all these courses, 
but really simple thing of 

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stepping off a box or stepping 
off a 30 centimetre high and 

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catching. 
Yep. 

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And that active activating my 
calf, like both calves at the 

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moment, someone with calf 
history, The simple act of doing

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that, I'm not doing a lot of it 
doesn't feel like I'm doing a 

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lot of heavy calf raises or 
anything like that. 

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But this simple activity which 
we're doing quite a bit. 

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I'm doing some back squats and 
some deadlifts and all the rest 

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of that. 
So trying to get that strength 

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through the glutes and the 
hammies as well and the quads. 

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But that step off and catch I, I
feel like it's really my calves 

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are responding, really. 
Well, you're getting sore after 

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it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a really 

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like. 
And it's not, it's not an 

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onerous thing. 
It's kind of three sets of five 

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reps of this thing, but it's 
something I've never done 

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before, OK? 
There's no weight involved aside

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from my own body weight, 
obviously. 

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But that activity of. 
And for people that can't quite 

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understand just, you know, find 
a bench, a box, a seat or 

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something. 
And as you step off, it's the 

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idea of not bouncing or moving 
forward or. 

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It's sort of it. 
I don't, I don't have much 

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experience. 
I can't, can't recall. 

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Sure, I would have done it at 
some stage, but I can't recall 

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it being a big, big part of my 
programme. 

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It's brought back memories of 
remember when Benita and as 

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we're doing the Gold Coast 
Marathon series, yes, talking 

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about switching your brain on in
the warm ups and in your your 

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pre run routine and the hops and
all that sort of stuff and 

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getting your brain. 
It's activating, yeah, 

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activating both neurally and 
muscular. 

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Yeah. 
And I'll be honest, neurally 

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activating, I've even when 
people talked about it, I 

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haven't taken it seriously. 
I haven't ever. 

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I've kind of rolled my eyes in 
my head about the idea of 

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neurally activating now that I'm
doing these exercises and why 

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it's explaining all that sort of
stuff. 

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And even just the warm ups and 
there's a very specific warm up 

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before we do whatever the set is
at the gym. 

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I get it. 
It's good having someone with it

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telling your stuff isn't it 
isn't a good one on one training

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I. 
Get it? 

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Yeah, it's. 
And then yeah, I'm. 

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I'm really. 
And look this is in a group 

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setting, but who I? 
I'm a group. 

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Group or not, it's just the fact
he's taking the time on one 

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online to like go. 
Really explaining, Yeah, not in 

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a patronising manner, but in a 
very specific and intellectual 

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way. 
This is why we're doing these 

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things, because this is what's 
happening inside your brain and 

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your body and all those. 
And I'm getting a lot out of it.

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It's good for my running. 
Great. 

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Yeah, awesome. 
Hey, I was driving up to 

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Southport. 
I say they find your Triple M 

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company have finally taken on my
advice and got you on some 

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billboards. 
The market expense come out. 

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Yeah, the market. 
I said this when you first said 

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I'm coming to the coast. 
Yeah, I said mate, you've got to

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get on Bill. 
It's be to beat the competitors 

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you need to be on. 
I need to be driving my kids to 

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school and see Liam, Spider and 
and Lizel on a billboard. 

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Yep. 
Now I've got some feedback 

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though. 
Oh, here we go. 

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You're not big. 
Enough, you've got a me. 

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Personally is this. 
Shot. 

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Well, that too, you're a little 
bit smaller. 

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Spider is 200 centimetres tall. 
That is true. 

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No, all three of you are not big
enough. 

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As in the billboards, not big 
enough? 

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No, you're not taking up enough 
space on the Billboard. 

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It's too focused on empty space 
and a little and and the Triple 

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M logo. 
OK, I need to see who I'm 

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listening to and I don't think 
it's so the Billboard is good. 

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This is the one at Bundle Rd. 
Anyone on the Gold Coast 

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listening? 
If you go up Bundle Rd at All 

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Bermuda St, some people might 
call it kind of as you go 

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Ashmore Roads up towards Pindara
Hospital. 

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Is it? 
It would be. 

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I'm thinking it's 20 metres by 6
metres. the Billboard. 

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Yeah, it's huge. 
And you are? 

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Just not big enough. 
So can you I'll get on to your 

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marketing part. 
Yeah. 

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So I'm not happy here's and for 
anybody that hasn't seen that 

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billboard, Nick, keep an eye out
for it because peek behind the 

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curtain in that picture I am 
standing on. 

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I think it was like 4 reams of 
paper. 3 reams of paper for the 

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photo because honestly. 
Do you do you mean actually like

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blocks of printing paper? 
Blocks of printing paper because

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not 4 pieces. 
Oh no, no, no reams. 

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I'm talking reams. 
Yeah, like for that photo, 

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Liesel spot is 200 centimetres. 
Liesel's in heels. 

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Like it was without me standing 
on the paper. 

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It was daddy bear, Mama bear, 
baby bear stuff for the 

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photographer. 
So they had to go and get 4 

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reams of paper for me to stand 
on to make that thing look half 

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decent. 
Yeah, it's good. 

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It's good to see. 
Great to see you on the way to 

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school. 
It's nice to see you more than 

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when I'm in here. 
It's nice to see the marketing 

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spend happening taking effect. 
Can we talk a bit about one of 

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the sporting events that's 
happening this weekend as we, as

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we put this episode where where 
marathon season's kind of behind

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us now to a degree. 
I mean, we've said goodbye to 

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all the Australian major 
marathons, Melbourne marathon. 

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But maybe just the marathons are
gone. 

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I'm sure they're and. 
Chicago, Oh, the Chicago. 

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The men's record got a shake 
from Kiplum. 

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He ran. 
He I think he went very close to

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the world record. 
He ran through the first half in

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an hour or something flat. 
It was a very impressive run. 

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Since most people have told me 
they don't care who wins a 

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marathon anyway. 
I've you quite care, I don't 

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care who isn't marathon, but 
well done I haven't. 

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You know what? 
I didn't see many reviews of the

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Melbourne Marathon. 
I did have this down as a point.

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Oh well, let's get to it you. 
Want to go to the Melbourne? 

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Yeah, we'll come back to the 
other event last. 

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Weekend, we'd said last week. 
I had made a point to say I just

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haven't seen a lot of 
advertising or social media or 

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in general. 
It just wasn't the same as 

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Sydney. 
Yep, it just wasn't thing. 

451
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,240
So you didn't see much on it 
since the weekend? 

452
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,600
I saw some bits but it no. 
Not not Did you see any brand? 

453
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,000
I saw a little bit of Nike 
stuff. 

454
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,160
I saw a little bit of Nike 
stuff. 

455
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,200
So it's a Nike race, right? 
It is the one that's not an ASIC

456
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,120
race. 
Yeah, but. 

457
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,480
I I didn't see a lot of brand 
activations around it that what 

458
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,160
it got into my feed anyway do. 
You reckon it's something to do 

459
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,440
do do Do you think it's got to 
do with her in Queensland? 

460
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,480
But when we see Sydney, so why 
wouldn't we see Melbourne? 

461
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,280
Running Victoria Man. 
Sorry, yeah, no, but that's what

462
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,720
I mean. 
The fact it's down South in 

463
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,240
Melbourne and we. 
Are in Queens. 

464
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,280
That's why we we were fed less 
of it. 

465
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,360
But then and then I've just kind
of thought in my head as I've 

466
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:32,600
said that we see NSW. 
And we see a lot, Yeah, I don't 

467
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,680
know. 
Did you see much of it? 

468
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,760
No, no. 
The only thing I I did see was 

469
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,040
Louis Phillips, because I'd, 
yes, I'd literally being with 

470
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,240
him and then talking to him. 
So I, I copped his obviously my 

471
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,400
algorithm said, oh, you've been 
chatting and what did and what 

472
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,360
did what did his presence around
it look like did was there. 

473
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,720
I know he ran it so well. 
He went under 250. 

474
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,160
That was his goal. 
So great. 

475
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,720
Yeah, Congrats. 
But other than that, I, I, I 

476
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,440
just know he went under 250. 
That was my whole yeah, I don't.

477
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:13,520
And he ran in, he got a like 
obviously Nike race, but he, I'm

478
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,360
pretty sure he was in Adidas. 
He'd been sent a box of a gift 

479
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,040
box of Adidas. 
So he wore Adidas. 

480
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,240
Well, here's a question. 
You mentioned Louis, and I 

481
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,400
noticed, I saw because I saw him
one of his posts as well, 

482
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,960
running in those. 
Let's talk about blokes running 

483
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,160
in those pants. 
Oh, hang on, let's talk about 

484
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,160
it. 
OK, skins, hold on today. 

485
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Yeah, OK, skins tight. 
Keep going, keep going, and I'll

486
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,920
find what do you. 
Have you ever? 

487
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,240
I know you ran in, you raced in 
a suit. 

488
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,160
Oh mate, I'm I've I'm if you 
want to if you want some 

489
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,840
expertise on lycra. 
Right. 

490
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,600
What do you think? 
Triathlons where you can't. 

491
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:58,720
At what speed do those bike 
short pants style things become 

492
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,640
OK because I have trouble with 
them? 

493
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,360
I mean, the only thing I I'm 
like if I see bike shorts, I 

494
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:12,520
think chafe. 
The reason I would run in a pair

495
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,440
of tights, what are they called 
tights? 

496
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,320
OK, the Rea I would run in a 
pair of tights when I'm having 

497
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,000
trouble with chafe. 
Right. 

498
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,960
But I would never run in just me
personally, I wouldn't go. 

499
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,080
I'll go and run in tights for 
any other reason than chafe. 

500
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,000
However there was. 
I mean, when it comes down to 

501
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,800
compression, yeah, there is some
evidence on wearing compression 

502
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,440
around your quads that can help 
and same as calf socks or 

503
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,040
whatever else. 
So a compression thing's 

504
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,960
different. 
But what I'm saying they're not,

505
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,720
these aren't compression tights 
or anything like that. 

506
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,320
These are just people that is 
wearing like track tights. 

507
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,280
My because this is coming at it 
from a footballing perspective, 

508
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,920
it was always offensive if one 
of your teammates turned up at 

509
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,240
footy in winter and they were 
rolling the skins without shorts

510
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,360
over the top. 
Like if you put skins on, fine, 

511
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,400
but put some modesty shorts on 
over the top. 

512
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,960
Not for yourself but for the 
rest of us, right? 

513
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,400
And I think I I personally would
like the same rule to apply at 

514
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,760
marathoning above a certain 
pace. 

515
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Well, let's go through this 
because Angus Crisp sent me just

516
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,280
crispy crispy sent me what your 
running shorts say about you 

517
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Yes. 
Now this came from run later the

518
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
the the account run later. 
I don't know who that is, but 

519
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,280
anyway, it'll turn off my 
volume. 

520
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,960
All right. 
What you're running is so split.

521
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,360
We'll start with the split 
shorts. 

522
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,240
The runner runs at least 80 
miles a week. 

523
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,320
Hasn't felt shamed since 2014. 
We'll talk to you about glyco 

524
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,360
glycogen depletion at mile 22. 
Thighs out, ego up. 

525
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Yeah, great. 
Have you ever do you run? 

526
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,680
Have you ever run? 
So I have not run split shorts 

527
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,160
since grade 9. 
Cross country do. 

528
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,960
You know who comes to me if we 
split shorts? 

529
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,360
You know what jumps straight to 
my mind? 

530
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,440
Craig Mottram In my mind, that's
that level. 

531
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Like real. 
That's the era taught. 

532
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,720
That's the level. 
But, you know, so I did. 

533
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,880
More track. 
So I did look through this, 

534
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,360
yeah, more track, but I did look
through this and these what I'm 

535
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,400
about to go through. 
And I actually disagree with a 

536
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
lot of this cause split shorts, 
if you think of those brands, 

537
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
some of those brands you didn't 
know that are trending split 

538
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
shorts are in. 
Are they 100% chewy? 

539
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,360
Mcswain's a a a split shorter it
feels. 

540
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,240
More like he is. 
But then he wore. 

541
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,640
He's been wearing the tights. 
They're called half tights. 

542
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,400
Half tights because I'm here of 
half tights. 

543
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,080
Deadly serious about training, 
Doesn't post every run because 

544
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,000
they don't need validation, Has 
a separate laundry load just for

545
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,400
running clothes, runs in 
anywhere that despite how cold 

546
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,560
or hot and will not complain. 
Now I disagree really highly 

547
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,560
with this. 
I am thinking most people are 

548
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,120
wearing tights because it's on 
trend. 

549
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,600
I have an issue I think. 
I think this might be my biggest

550
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,480
issue in running right now. 
Half times I, I I if, if I. 

551
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,880
Could Is it because of the 
shervo package? 

552
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,160
Is that is that your issue with 
them? 

553
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,240
What's your? 
Issue, I just don't think 

554
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,040
they're necessary. 
Look, and that's and we know 

555
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,360
necessity is not the reason we 
do a lot of things in this life,

556
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:37,280
but it's such an affront on your
eyes for everybody else. 

557
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320
It does feel good. 
Does it well, I've never worn 

558
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,800
them. 
That's coming from triathlon 

559
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,640
talk. 
Like wearing lycra. 

560
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,920
It looks shit, but it feels 
good. 

561
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,440
It feels good. 
However, I believe I disagree 

562
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,720
with this highly. 
I believe majority of people are

563
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,280
wearing them because it's on 
trend. 

564
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,600
It's it's, it's the thing to do 
at the moment. 

565
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,720
What? 
Performance value? 

566
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,400
Do they give you just like? 
Split shorts came in because it 

567
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,160
was a little bit more on trend. 
It was a track track thing. 

568
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,240
Here's what I'll say. 
Track Smith running. 

569
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,240
They're to blame. 
I wouldn't say they are to blame

570
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,240
around split shorts. 
So I don't have a OK, let's just

571
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,000
let's isolate a few things here.
This is a male issue. 

572
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,280
This is a man's running issue. 
We are going. 

573
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,360
There this is a apologies to all
the female runners out there, 

574
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,160
you guys, I mean, this is just 
your running. 

575
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Gift, but they've also probably 
got an opinion on this because 

576
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,720
it's if a guy's running correct 
you, what he's wearing in shorts

577
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,200
does matter. 
I don't need to know which way 

578
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,240
you dress swing. 
I don't know. 

579
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,520
I do not know. 
You need to know if you go left,

580
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,800
right or up the middle. 
If you're running, if I'm 

581
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,120
running with you in a group or 
you're running towards me, I 

582
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,080
don't need to need to. 
I don't need to know what mood 

583
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040
you're in, right? 
That's why I'm fine with split 

584
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,720
shorts 'cause there's some puff 
and some fluff and some wind 

585
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,520
effect. 
And split. 

586
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Split shorts will nearly always 
have an inner. 

587
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,920
It's a bit of protection. 
The old the old parachute? 

588
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Yep, the old netting. 
Yeah, get a bit netting. 

589
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,800
I just don't. 
I think if we can, if, if I can 

590
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,480
have one running wish, it's that
the trend of half tights goes 

591
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,720
away, yeah. 
We don't need them. 

592
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Are you a 5 inch guy? 
Now 5 inch is the length, isn't 

593
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,560
it? 
Yeah. 

594
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,120
The inseam. 
No. 

595
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,680
See what? 
No. 

596
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,400
So sorry, not the inseam, it's 
the length of the the shoe. 

597
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840
How far is 5/8? 
No 5 inch? 

598
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
How far is 5 inch? 
Well, it's kind of the mid, the 

599
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,840
mid. 
So if I looked at a you looked 

600
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,120
at a picture, they're not quite 
long. 

601
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,720
What length? 
So they're not what do I wear I.

602
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,600
Was going to say, what length 
are the salomons? 

603
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,880
You put me on the on the seven. 
They're great. 

604
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
They're fantastic. 
Well so 5 inch these guys are 

605
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,760
saying been running long enough 
to know to ensure chafe like 

606
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,400
hell, chooses comfort and speed 
but not compensating for 

607
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,960
anything. 
Has seen some dark places on 

608
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,840
long runs. 
So they kind of put this like 5 

609
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,080
inches in the middle of seven 
inch. 

610
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,960
However things fight. 
Now this is where I highly 

611
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000
disagree and I'm being put in a 
box here. 

612
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,880
Thinks 3 miles is long distance.
Nah. 

613
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Still calls it cardio. 
Probably has hybrid athlete in 

614
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,200
their bio. 
Oh no. 

615
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,120
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 
What about basketball shorts for

616
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,120
running? 
No kids. 

617
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,480
Grow up, grow up. 
There's probably half time. 

618
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Probably uses Nike Run Club to 
record the run and runs with 

619
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,400
half empty plastic water bottles
in hand. 

620
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,840
OK. 
Now let's let's remember though 

621
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600
just quickly, let's remember 
everything Courtney and I are 

622
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,600
saying right now about this that
our baseline of operation is all

623
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
running is good running, 
everybody getting out there and.

624
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,160
Running. 
We're just having some fun. 

625
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,280
Is good running now that I've 
established that if you're 

626
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,640
running in basketball shorts, 
grow up. 

627
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,080
Go and get some running shorts. 
Go and buy yourself a pair of 

628
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,280
shorts. 
There ain't much difference 

629
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,000
between 7 inch in basketball. 
Leave your hoop dreams behind 

630
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,160
and go and get yourself some 
running shorts. 

631
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,560
Now Crispy, who sent it to us? 
He said Ah shite because I sent 

632
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,640
this and then I realised I run 
in Lululemon shorts and I've got

633
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,200
a Lululemon shorts 1 here go. 
Probably owns a golden 

634
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,600
retriever. 
Spent $98 to look fast for a two

635
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880
mile run club. 
Definitely records runs on an 

636
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Apple Watch, Jogs in place at 
stoplights. 

637
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Do you? 
No, please don't. 

638
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,200
No thinks the warm up is 
supposed to be an all out run. 

639
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,120
So what I would say about those 
Lululemon shorts is that that 

640
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,480
matches up. 
Remember I said I went past 

641
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Lululemon's activation at the 
Sydney Marathon? 

642
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,040
Yeah. 
That's out. 

643
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,120
That was it it. 
Was a pretty spot on. 

644
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,720
But I have heard they're really 
comfy. 

645
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,400
I I do. 
Not doubt it. 

646
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,280
No, no, I've heard Luke that I 
haven't heard shoes wise not. 

647
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Great make shoes. 
Hence probably haven't heard, 

648
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000
didn't even know that they 
haven't heard the greatest thing

649
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,840
but. 
I would I like I think 

650
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Lululemon's I think. 
Lululemon's I've heard 100% 

651
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320
comfy. 
Lululemon's an interesting 

652
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,000
branding example, case study I 
guess, because when it started 

653
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680
very much a yoga brand. 
Well, I don't know if that's 

654
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,840
where it originated, but that's 
my perception of it. 

655
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:30,080
And also very female focused. 
Yes, and try to skew to male. 

656
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Do you know Lulu would do the 
best job? 

657
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920
I think of community slash 
influencer marketing in the 

658
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,960
country around this space. 
Well, when I say the best, they 

659
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
invest the heaviest. 
Well, I know, I know. 

660
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,920
Dill Buckley is an ambassador of
Lululemon's. 

661
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,720
I feel like Max Gorn's done some
stuff for them down in 

662
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,440
Melbourne. 
Yeah, no, I look and I think 

663
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,760
it's a fantastic brand. 
And do you know what comes to 

664
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,600
mind? 
As much as I said yoga, female 

665
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,760
forward, all the rest of it is 
quality. 

666
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,760
It feels like a quality brand. 
I don't think I've, I think I 

667
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200
might have owned AT shirt once. 
I don't think I've owned much 

668
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,080
Lululemon, but I feel like it in
my mind it's it's it's in that 

669
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,840
quality. 
Tier. 

670
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Yeah. 
Hey, I'm talking about female 

671
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,240
focus first, a bit more male 
focused. 

672
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Did you watch Bathurst? 
Yeah, on the weekend. 

673
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Oh, how good was that moment? 
Do you know where I'm going? 

674
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,840
Taz Mosta. 
Yep, Yep. 

675
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440
But crashing out. 
Crashing out. 

676
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Open the barrier. 
Straight onto the beers. 

677
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,200
Great Northern in hand. 
Yep, within two minutes of 

678
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,280
crashing out of the crack. 
That's going to, that's going to

679
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,160
be, it's going to be one of the 
all time great moments of sport.

680
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,800
They're in. 
They're for all future 

681
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480
professional athletes listening,
for all current professional 

682
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,600
athletes listening. 
That is how you handle 

683
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,800
adversity. 
You, you, literally you drive 

684
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,400
into the skid. 
That is how you handle a moment 

685
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,120
and get value out of it forever.
More like he he could have been,

686
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,320
and I'm sure he was salty, 
filthy, annoyed, frustrated, 

687
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,280
angry. 
All those emotions would have 

688
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,639
been running through his head. 
Now, had he walked through that 

689
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,639
crowd and handled things 
differently. 

690
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,440
Yeah, really could have. 
You know, maybe nothing happens.

691
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Maybe nothing comes of it but 
potential to maybe damage a 

692
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,800
brand if he brushes them or gets
annoyed or gets frustrated the 

693
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,679
way Chaz Moss had handed. 
That is a lesson. 

694
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,480
A mask they should put up for 
every future athlete. 

695
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Hey guys, if you ever crash out 
and have to walk through the 

696
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,520
crowd, this is how you handle 
it. 100% this. 

697
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,719
Is there's no negativity, it was
probably a mid strength. 

698
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,080
So there all these people saying
sure you shouldn't be drinking, 

699
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,880
they're ticked off. 
Definitely a super crisp 100%. 

700
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,280
Can I quickly talk a bit more 
about Bathurst because I love I,

701
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,920
I was thinking about this, the, 
the commentary, the, the 

702
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,120
coverage was fantastic. 
But the, and the phrase I took 

703
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,600
out of it was that to get good 
racing, you just had a little 

704
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920
bit of rain or something like 
that along the lines. 

705
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,920
Those final 10 laps or whatever 
it was when that cloud was 

706
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,400
settling in at the top of the 
mountain. 

707
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,000
I was thinking, the commentary's
raving about this, right? 

708
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,800
They're declaring it one of the 
greatest races ever. 

709
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,400
The crowds losing their mind. 
The viewers are enthralled. 

710
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Yes, a fourth did I hear this 
morning. 

711
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,600
Fourth highest viewed behind 
sporting event this year behind 

712
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000
the AFL Grand Final. 
I think it's 5.3. 

713
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,400
MIL And yet those athletes, the 
drivers could not have been in 

714
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680
more danger. 
They were hurtling across the 

715
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,360
top of the mountain with 
basically new visibility and we 

716
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200
were cheering them all on like 
this. 

717
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,240
That to me is gladiator stuff. 
No, it is because in a world 

718
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,120
where more and more it's about 
safety, Yeah. 

719
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,320
And everyone like, oh, we can't 
do that if someone's going to 

720
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,280
get upset or hurt or injured or 
dangered. 

721
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,720
And that still celebrated. 
It just shows you, Liam, if, if 

722
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,560
more sports just had a bit more 
freedom. 

723
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,440
I mean, I'm not going to say 
violence. 

724
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,080
Isn't there no? 
Because But there's a lot of 

725
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,440
sports that have pulled so far 
back from what they originally 

726
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,720
were. 
Yeah, and that's why people 

727
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,880
watch sport. 
That's why we watch elite 

728
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,880
athletes in sport, That's why we
don't watch mediocre athletes. 

729
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,800
That's why the pinnacle of sport
at somewhere like Bathurst or 

730
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,080
UFC or you know, if you're 
watching an NRL grand final or 

731
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,440
whatever it is and you want to 
see the pinnacle of what normal 

732
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,880
people cannot do, and they 
proved exactly that on the. 

733
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,560
I would have put. 
I would have pulled over in 

734
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,720
those conditions. 100 yeah, I 
would have you would have been 

735
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,440
if you were driving down the M1 
on that awful white concrete 

736
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,920
which goes, which is the same 
colour as the bloody rain and 

737
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,720
the clouds. 
When the when that when weather 

738
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,000
sits in on the M1I slow down, 
you find the. 

739
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Great. 
Are you one of those guys who 

740
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480
finds the? 
I I do not accelerate and try 

741
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,200
and pass people. 
No, it was it was a great race 

742
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600
and one of my one of my 
favourite actually Scotty Pie 

743
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,480
who drives as one of the Co 
drivers. 

744
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,720
I think he's driving with Will 
Brown from Red Bull. 

745
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:17,560
Red Bull and pole racing. 
I was listening to Apex Hunters,

746
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
his podcast this morning about 
the whole thing and there was 

747
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,320
it's like a great race. 
But then in the background 

748
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,560
there's so many stories going on
in that super cars at the moment

749
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,440
about parody of the cars, more 
drag this motor, you know, Ford 

750
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,560
complaining about they don't 
have quite the speed, but then 

751
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,880
they've won the the shoot out. 
Like there's a lot going on in 

752
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,480
that sport at the moment and 
it's working. 

753
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Yeah. 
Speaking of sport, I want to 

754
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,000
talk about the cool and gather 
gold this weekend. 

755
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Yes, if you're listening to it 
today, it is today. 

756
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,040
If you're listening to this on 
the Saturday, the Shoreham 

757
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,760
partners Cool and Gather Gold, 
which is now quick background 

758
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,760
for anybody that hasn't played 
along, This is one of the most. 

759
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,720
It was created off the back of a
movie in 1984 or 1980 

760
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,640
thereabouts. 
Pretty much Grant Kenny. 

761
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Yeah, Guy Leach. 
Guy Leach, Yeah, made them all. 

762
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Colin Fraser's names exactly was
in the was the star of the movie

763
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120
and they literally created the 
race because the movie came up 

764
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,280
with this race. 
The idea of racing from surfers 

765
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,720
to Colin Gatter and back, it 
used to be 41.8 or a little bit 

766
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,440
more than that total distance. 
This year, for the first time, 

767
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,880
they've halved it, and it's also
been introduced as part of the 

768
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,720
series. 
So Ali Dae, who's won ten of 

769
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,160
these calling out of gold, who I
thought retired now. 

770
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,000
And this is the thing. 
He did retire from the calling 

771
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,040
out of gold and then they have 
integrated it into the series. 

772
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Yeah. 
So now as a series racer, he has

773
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120
to compete in it. 
Courtney Hancock was explaining 

774
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,480
this to us herself a full time 
winner of the Calling. 

775
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,920
She came into the studio and 
she'll be she'll be commentating

776
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,760
as part of the coverage today. 
She explained that basically 

777
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120
what was happening and this is 
a, you know, it's probably 

778
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,880
happening in other sports and we
see things like the T20 and 

779
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
other versions of netball and 
all these things pop up. 

780
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,120
What was happening was the gun 
athletes, or a lot of athletes 

781
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,880
were skipping the calling out of
gold. 

782
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Because it's different training 
to the Sprint series. 

783
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
You've got it already. 
So the sprints. 

784
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,320
So these athletes have to be 
able to in the way Courtney, you

785
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,160
know, anything from 15 minutes 
to the calling out of gold, 

786
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600
which can take 4 hours. 
And that, as you would could 

787
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,640
probably speak to better, is a 
would be a hard thing to train 

788
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,520
and be ready for as an athlete 
and stay fit. 

789
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,800
But here's a solution. 
I mean, it's not going to solve 

790
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,480
all the issues of surf life 
saving. 

791
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,760
I mean, it's a it's a different 
sporting, let's say landscape 

792
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,520
these days to when the, the days
of the Kenny's and the Uncle 

793
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,240
Toby's and and Nutrigrain and 
all that were like obviously on 

794
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:52,040
TV every Sunday. 
But the solution to me is don't 

795
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,080
give people an option. 
And that's what they've done. 

796
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,160
But then they've kind of like 
gone halfway and eroded like 

797
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,280
this is my thoughts. 
They've they're going to erode 

798
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,720
this event to just be another 
event when they had their 

799
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,320
marquee event. 
This is their Hawaii Ironman 

800
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,040
triathlon of their sport. 
It's the one thing in their 

801
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,640
sport that outside people who 
don't follow Surf Life Saving 

802
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,720
may still have a like an 
attachment. 

803
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,760
To they know of oh, the cool and
gather gold's on. 

804
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,040
I remember that. 
Is that like, you know, they 

805
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,800
race up and down the Gold Coast?
Well, no they don't. 

806
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,160
So you don't like it now? 
Or you you you don't like the 

807
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,480
changes? 
No, absolutely not. 

808
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,320
See in my, my thought is instead
of going well, some of the 

809
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
athletes, they it's too hard to 
train for the long and the 

810
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,960
short. 
So I'm just going to skip the 

811
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440
long go. 
Well, you know what, double 

812
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,400
points on the long and then you 
do the short as well and you 

813
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,760
work out the best way. 
Like that's, that's not a big 

814
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,000
enough sport to be able to pick 
and choose. 

815
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,640
That's my, my point. 
So there's and the triathlon and

816
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,920
I'm talking in this is coming 
from a point of passion, not a 

817
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,040
point of, oh, you need to put it
down right. 

818
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,000
Absolutely. 
Because I know triathlon was, 

819
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,720
you know, since when I got to 
race around Australia and 

820
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,840
triathlon, it's changed in the 
same way. 

821
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,360
We don't have a local triathlon 
series here that's a 

822
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,160
professional series anymore. 
And what happens is when you 

823
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,160
give too much choice to athletes
and let them hold what like hold

824
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
everyone to you. 
Dilute you dilute your problem. 

825
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,120
You've got to treat it like a 
business. 

826
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,720
And if your biggest business and
your most knowledgeable race is 

827
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,920
the cool and gather goal, you've
got to make it the marquee race.

828
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,480
That's interesting as well 
because I'm just having a look 

829
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960
as you talk about it and I love 
hearing you talk about it like 

830
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,000
that and I think what you're 
saying makes a lot of sense. 

831
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,840
I can also understand why the 
organisers have done what 

832
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,240
they've done. 
I, I don't think it's here for 

833
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720
good, like I don't think these 
changes are here permanently. 

834
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,640
I think you, I think you will 
see a return to the long, long 

835
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,680
form race. 
What makes you say that? 

836
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:06,120
I think that we see some of 
these changes made short term 

837
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,760
and I think the athlete resolve 
is what changes it ultimately. 

838
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,440
Let me give you an example 
talking about this Iron Series 

839
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,000
thing and, and last year the 
Iron Series championship was 

840
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,920
decided in a in a final format. 
Essentially they they got down 

841
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,840
to the last day and then 
athletes were given seconds head

842
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,920
start based on races leading up 
on the day. 

843
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,320
Now Connor Mags won the men's 
series and Lucy Derbyshire won 

844
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,120
the women's series, both first 
time winners, best on the day. 

845
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,720
Does that mean they're the 
champion? 

846
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Does that mean they're the best 
athlete of that year? 

847
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,720
I feel like when you have a, 
when you have an event, a series

848
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,880
like this and surfing's a bit 
the same. 

849
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,040
My understanding is surfing is 
going to backtrack on what 

850
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
they've been doing, where the 
world title is decided on that 

851
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,120
final day. 
Because it doesn't like when 

852
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,320
you've got, we'll go with 
surfing for a moment, when 

853
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,920
you've got a Series, A calendar 
of events at such diverse waves,

854
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,280
Chopu and snapper and pipe and 
all these incredibly different 

855
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,960
ways that require a different 
set of skills. 

856
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Why does the athlete that can 
execute best at Huntington Beach

857
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,400
deserve to be crown world 
champion? 

858
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,840
Or you know, and I think I 
personal opinion, think the 

859
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,000
champion should be the best 
consistent performer across the 

860
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,920
season. 
That's who should be your 

861
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,680
champion because they are able 
to adapt to the most waves and 

862
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
have the overall highest result 
for the end of the year. 

863
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,280
It's like EPL, it's it's first 
past the post. 

864
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,400
It's not who's the best on one 
particular day different to what

865
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,560
football does. 
And I think my understanding 

866
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,800
talking with some people is that
the athletes have responded 

867
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,640
that, OK, that's how we did it 
last year. 

868
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,920
Fine. 
We don't love that because it 

869
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
doesn't actually reward the most
consistent athlete in a sport 

870
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,360
where you have to be good week 
in, week out. 

871
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,240
Yes, it takes away the need to 
be good in week in, week out. 

872
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,920
You can kind of get there. 
If you can just be around the 

873
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,760
mark on the last day of the 
season, you win. 

874
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,240
Yeah, I, I mean, I hear you 
both. 

875
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,120
I hear it both ways. 
I'm always thinking about sports

876
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,800
from a commercial point of view.
Yeah. 

877
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,280
Of if you want more people 
outside, like that's all well 

878
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,840
and good for those people in the
industry. 

879
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160
And like if you, if you're in 
surf life saving, that's your 

880
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,000
daily, you know, that's just 
sport, you know, everything 

881
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120
that's going on. 
Yeah, but you take me for the 

882
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,040
moment, I'm a little bit more 
removed from surf life saving 

883
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,320
for me to take notice as an 
outsider into sport, you know, 

884
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,720
like I took, I'm watching, I'm 
watching Bathurst and we're 

885
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,560
talking about Bathurst and I'm 
loving it. 

886
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,160
Am I going to talk about the 
cool and gather gold? 

887
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,760
That's not the cool and gather 
gold anymore. 

888
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,200
There needs to be some noise. 
I'm not going. 

889
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,560
To just the point I was going to
make looking at the results. 

890
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,200
Interesting because Shannon 
Eckstein, widely considered one 

891
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,720
of the greatest ever. 
Yes, Iron Man, how many? 

892
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,040
I don't know how many series he 
won all up, but they called in 

893
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,480
the professor. 
I think I'm just having a quick 

894
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,720
look here. 
It's 6-7 times or more than that

895
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,760
I've under sold. 
Geez, I'm looking here. 

896
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,640
He's probably A10 time Iron Man 
champ. 

897
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,320
Kane younger brother is the five
time calling out a gold champ 

898
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,280
like Zane. 
I'm just I'm just having a look 

899
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,360
here. 
Shannon's won it. 

900
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
I don't think Shannon's ever won
it, which is interesting. 

901
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I mean 
he's. 

902
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,200
Finished runner up but. 
That's interesting, right, 

903
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Because Kane then obviously went
on to do things outside of the 

904
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,160
sport. 
So it's a very different calling

905
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,040
out of gold. 
I still think the name has so 

906
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,280
much equity and history and 
heritage. 

907
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,840
I hope it reverts. 
Yeah, I just, I mean, like you 

908
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,160
said, it's got heritage, it's 
got history and racing up and 

909
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,120
down the Gold Coast, showing off
the Gold Coast, showing off the 

910
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,240
skyline. 
What it began as you take 

911
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,800
something like we've talked 
about this before across let's 

912
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,240
get away from iron surf life 
saving Iron Man for a while. 

913
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,760
But like the events that become 
those marquee events are 

914
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,320
historical events that like, 
yeah, Hawaii Iron Man. 

915
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,120
So we're talking about UTMB now 
like it's it's now the big 

916
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,840
thing. 
But that's been going on for, 

917
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,960
you know, years and years. 
It's not like suddenly we just 

918
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,160
change it. 
Yeah. 

919
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,680
To make this thing as a Hawaiian
man, they've, you know how they 

920
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,280
mixed up the men and the women? 
One racing their niece. 

921
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,120
That looks like. 
I'm pretty sure someone might 

922
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,680
call me out. 
That'll come back together. 

923
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,240
Oh cool, a friend of mine said 
that Katie Ramon who raced it 

924
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,640
kinda Yep she she got it done. 
I think she finished 40th in the

925
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,800
pro females but said it was a 
grind. 

926
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Just it was hot. 
Oh, that. 

927
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,720
Run It was a great race for the 
the the the women as well with 

928
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Taylor near yes, right at the 
end. 

929
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Lucy Charles as well. 
Like all it all changed. 

930
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,360
It was like one of those real 
one of the great races of the 

931
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Hawaii man where you just saw. 
You know it was right to the 

932
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,920
wire. 
People exploding. 

933
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,440
I'm going to forget her name and
I'm going to feel terrible for 

934
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,800
it. 
I'm I'm frantically trying to 

935
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
find it. 
But did you see the Sprint 

936
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,040
finish in the Under 23 women's 
triathlon race? 

937
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,680
Yeah, Matt Hill. 
Matt. 

938
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,960
Matt, I think her name was Matt 
House is shit. 

939
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,280
Just an unbelievable Sprint 
finish from the Aussie whose 

940
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000
name, apologies people are 
probably the people that are 

941
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,880
following the triathlon closely 
screaming at it right now under 

942
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,680
championships. 
I'm going to tell you who it is.

943
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,680
It is Rochelle Hill. 
Rochelle. 

944
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,240
Rochelle Hill Oh, can we get 
this clip up? 

945
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,960
Matt Hauser If you don't follow 
him, he's got it up there. 

946
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,800
Rochelle Hill's Sprint kick 
finish to win the under 23 

947
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,280
women's race, defeat the Italian
race at all time. 

948
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,240
It was so good. 
She flew home And that's 

949
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,240
actually that's an interesting 
point about to take back cool 

950
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,960
and get a goal. 
Courtney Hancock Another point 

951
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,520
she made about this shorter 
format is that the runners are 

952
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,800
the ones who are going to 
benefit the run. 

953
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,080
The good runners in the field 
are the ones that Will. 

954
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,800
She believes Will could take it 
out because, and she couldn't 

955
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,360
remember the name, but there's 
one of the lads in the series 

956
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,160
who apparently will run 3 minute
case. 

957
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,400
He's a runner. 
He's a runner. 

958
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,560
But then even the old course 
where they had to finish with 

959
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,560
the 10K run, it always had that.
It was always that one long 

960
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,040
distance run that, you know, was
something different on that 

961
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,160
because, you know, most of their
sport is an upper body arms. 

962
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,160
So that was the one race that 
gave the opportunity for someone

963
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,040
who could do an endurance run 
like a KNX. 

964
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
For getting some of the names in

965
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,160
more the older days. 
But like the runners could come 

966
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480
through at the end of this race.
It gave them a different race, a

967
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,960
different opportunity, Josh. 
Minogue, he's a good runner. 

968
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Actually. 
That was the famously, I think 

969
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,600
it was two years ago, maybe 
three years ago when Ali won it 

970
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,160
but had a torn calf. 
Yes, ran that. 

971
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,920
Did that run with a torn calf? 
Yeah, well, it was Alex Rigby 

972
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,800
that day looking after his calf.
I know. 

973
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,760
So it was. 
Share that riggers. 

974
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,320
Yeah, like got him, got him 
through. 

975
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,600
I think they, I think before the
last run, they actually got 

976
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,120
strapping on him like in the 
training in a pit stop, 

977
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,960
literally in a pit stop with him
on this triathlon thing. 

978
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,560
What's even greater about that 
under 23 female win was I was at

979
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,280
the airport earlier in the week 
and happened to run into some of

980
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,200
the crew from Triathlon 
Australia. 

981
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,080
And I said, oh, you know, like 
how's it gonna go? 

982
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,120
And they actually, they thought 
Matt Hauser and the Para tribe 

983
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
were their opportunities. 
So this one probably, it sounds 

984
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,960
like without me knowing too much
of the background, sounds like 

985
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,120
it's one that, you know, she's 
Australian World Championships 

986
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,000
and you get some Australian, you
know, really top notch 

987
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,320
performances come out of the 
skin. 

988
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Very nice. 
Congratulations. 

989
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,680
Awesome. 
Yeah. 

990
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,920
And to everybody else racing 
there down there over the 

991
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,360
weekend, yeah, good luck. 
Good luck. 

992
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,760
Good luck Jazza. 
Jazza from our Clydesdale. 

993
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,320
Jazzy White. 
Yep, the the Folk. 

994
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,160
Clydesdale King, He. 
He sent me a pic in his, all 

995
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,320
these green and gold ready to 
go. 

996
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,240
So good. 
Yeah. 

997
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,760
What are we? 
What are we moving on to next, 

998
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,400
Mr Atkinson? 
Because there's you. 

999
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,280
You said we've got plenty to get
through, so I'll let you jump in

1000
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,120
next. 
Where did you want to go next? 

1001
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,800
Well, we've we've been jumping 
around a little. 

1002
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,360
Bit we have been moving around a
local shop. 

1003
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,440
I've got an update on the 
Strava, the Strava V Garmin. 

1004
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,960
So not an update on the actual 
lawsuit that we talked about the

1005
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,240
court case, but it sounds like 
something in the background at 

1006
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,360
least Strava and other 
developers will now comply with 

1007
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,240
Garmin's new data attribution 
rules before the November the 

1008
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,560
1st deadline. 
So going on in the background, 

1009
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,440
Garmin were actually if you use 
a Garmin product, they were 

1010
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,680
wanting to see the Garmin logo 
attributed or identified or when

1011
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,080
you can see it when you shared 
it. 

1012
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,800
So I'm sure there's people who 
are a lot more across this than 

1013
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200
what I am, but I'm assuming what
this means is when you're on 

1014
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,840
Strava and you've used a Garmin 
product to put your information 

1015
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,120
on Strava, they want their logo 
showered. 

1016
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,120
Someone sent me this, yeah. 
So it's, it's an, it's a, it's 

1017
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,640
an advertising thing for them to
say, hey, our product's being 

1018
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,880
used. 
I'm assuming they're thinking, 

1019
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,640
well, you're getting advantage 
out of this. 

1020
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,880
And our product being used. 
Well, we want, we want not just 

1021
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,720
Garmin Forerunner 243 showing, 
we want our logo. 

1022
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,320
Visible Strava said that they 
will comply Or is it have they 

1023
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,520
rejected? 
This article from where? 

1024
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:40,000
Who's it coming from? 
amileaminute.com, so if anyone 

1025
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,920
disagrees, go after them and not
me. 

1026
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,840
In an email circulated by Strava
on October the 11th, any 

1027
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
developer using Strava's API on 
its platforms and apps must 

1028
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,520
allow users to see the Garmin 
logo on workouts that originates

1029
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,560
from Garmin devices. 
Garmin's got a good logo. 

1030
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Logo. 
I'm on board for that. 

1031
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,360
Yeah. 
So I wonder then I wonder then 

1032
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,280
the trickle down effect of that.
Yeah. 

1033
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,600
So the trigger down effect of 
that is then I wonder where the 

1034
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,400
people at Polar go. 
Well, hey, hang on, Garmin, get 

1035
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,960
me slippery slope. 
Slippery slope. 

1036
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,400
So I mean, would you care if you
saw a logo? 

1037
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,240
Do you even look at anyone? 
Do you do you actually in, 

1038
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,360
because we're talking Strava 
here, probably mainly. 

1039
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,600
Do you even look? 
At at the data that people have 

1040
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,520
attached to their runs. 
Like, have you ever gone? 

1041
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Oh, I don't, I don't know. 
Bo runs with AI. 

1042
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,800
Don't even pay attention to the 
shoes either. 

1043
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,960
Geez. 
I'm not running with him. 

1044
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,400
No, no, he hasn't got a. 
Gear. 

1045
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:47,240
Oh God, I yeah, I think. 
He's still using a 1984 Garmin 4

1046
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,040
runner. 
For all the you're running in 

1047
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,080
Kayano, for all the daddy you 
do. 

1048
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,080
That for shoes for all the. 
No, but for all the daddy you 

1049
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,360
can add in on the bottom of 
Strava, ultimately I just look 

1050
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,400
at who's run where, how far and 
how fast. 

1051
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,680
That's ultimately all I look at.
Is that what you're? 

1052
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,760
Yeah. 
Why do you look at other 

1053
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,800
people's runs? 
I'm curious, you're curious. 

1054
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,040
I'll tell you. 
And here's a story and I will 

1055
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,360
have to redact names for the 
sake of privacy. 

1056
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:26,280
Sure. 
I currently have a friend who I 

1057
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,320
have sort of set up with another
friend in a romantic sense. 

1058
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,800
OK, and I now know things are 
going well. 

1059
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,520
They're running together. 
Because his runs, which are 

1060
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,520
normally geographically centred 
in one location, are now he's 

1061
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,000
running a lot more based on 
where this person lives. 

1062
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,880
I sent him. 
So is this a stalking situation 

1063
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,120
or is this no, no. 
Is this like you can actually 

1064
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,400
see? 
Because like if you run with 

1065
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,960
someone on Strava, it says hey, 
you've run. 

1066
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,760
With someone? 
No, no, no, she doesn't run. 

1067
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,280
He runs. 
He normally runs in one city. 

1068
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,240
I now notice that he's running a
lot more in another city. 

1069
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,320
In another city, and that's the 
city or the part of the city 

1070
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,000
where she lives. 
Yeah, right. 

1071
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,920
So I'm assuming things are going
well, the sleepovers. 

1072
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,360
Data. 
Privacy, yeah. 

1073
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,600
Doesn't exist anymore, right? 
I mean, this is the, the, the 

1074
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,160
irony of Strava is, you know, 
like Snapchat or Instagram, all 

1075
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320
these other ones, like people 
would be like, I don't want 

1076
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,280
anyone to know where I am so 
that you put your privacy on so 

1077
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,480
you can't see where you're 
operating. 

1078
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160
However, no one's got any issue 
of like uploading where they run

1079
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,160
every morning. 
Yeah, I know. 

1080
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,160
And from like houses, there is a
privacy. 

1081
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,200
I, I have that on, I have the 
first and last 200 metres of my,

1082
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,440
yes, driver's turned off 200 
metres. 

1083
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,040
But I think that's what it is, 
isn't it? 

1084
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Can I extend that? 
Hopefully. 

1085
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,520
I mean 200 metres is that's 
stalking. 

1086
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,800
Now come find me. 
That's stalking. 

1087
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Territory. 
And Courtney's home address is 

1088
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:15,560
yeah. 
Back to let's talk about bone 

1089
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,160
stress injuries, So is you. 
Do you know Patrick? 

1090
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,840
I know Patty Mack. 
That's that's who you do from 

1091
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,960
the running room. 
So he was on Network 10? 

1092
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Yes, he was the other night 
talking about more runners 

1093
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,960
having bone stress injuries. 
So I picked up on that. 

1094
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,360
Hopefully my computer's on 
thing. 

1095
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Bone stress is injury. 
So he's saying bone stress 

1096
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,240
injuries are on the rise as 
Aussies love for running 

1097
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,600
surgeons. 
So the theory behind that and I 

1098
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,640
and I don't agree or disagree on
that, but the theory would be 

1099
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,520
more runners, more bone stress 
injuries. 

1100
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,280
I kind of do disagree. 
Why is that? 

1101
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,240
Because I think the bone stress 
injuries have changed #1 they're

1102
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,240
more upper limb than lower, what
we would have used to see in 

1103
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,360
lower limb. 
And I also #2 say it's not just 

1104
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,240
new runners getting the bone 
stress injuries. 

1105
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:09,160
We're seeing new existing 
runners who have run for a long,

1106
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,960
long time who are now getting 
bone stress injuries. 

1107
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,720
And I put myself into that 
category, but I'm also putting a

1108
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:19,400
lot of the the more elite 
runners that we're seeing are 

1109
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,520
getting up a limb, stress, 
injuries. 

1110
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,720
So what do you think? 
And we, we, you've hypothesised.

1111
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,040
Well, we we, we, we shoe stars. 
Oh, look, I mean, yeah, we've 

1112
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,840
hypothesised. 
We don't have an answer. 

1113
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,760
I ran into a a like a physio I 
trust the other day and I said 

1114
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,200
he actually said to me there is 
some evidence suggesting around 

1115
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,960
the shoes and rebounds and I'm 
going to try and get that those 

1116
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,560
studies so we know more. 
But just for the sake of 

1117
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,960
conversation, we've had a few 
people ride in and like neither 

1118
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,160
disagree nor nor agree. 
It's just conversation points 

1119
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,640
here. 
One was from Spikes only on. 

1120
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,200
They didn't write in. 
I picked this up Spikes only 

1121
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,280
from Derek Hansen. 
So he's this. 

1122
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,640
This theory was as you get 
older, you start to feel things 

1123
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,120
differently than when you were 
younger. 

1124
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,760
So they're like saying it's 
actually more an older like an 

1125
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,680
ageing athlete type of thing. 
You muscles, joints, aches more 

1126
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,200
even from simple tasks, which I 
can. 

1127
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,680
Yeah, that's true. 
As such, changes in footwear 

1128
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,280
appeared to be amplified for 
this person. 

1129
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,600
OK, so, and this is where I've 
talked about this before, a 

1130
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,960
stiff shoe now feels a whole lot
stiffer. 

1131
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,160
So it's got a carbon in there. 
I feel like that resonates with 

1132
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,400
me more like I feel it's 
stiffer. 2 decades ago, I could 

1133
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,200
probably put on any shoe and I 
would have run, wouldn't have 

1134
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,200
even a problem. 
So the the differences in shoes,

1135
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,920
the differences in whether 
they're supportive or they're 

1136
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,680
too soft, more rubber, whatever 
else when you're ageing that has

1137
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,400
more and more notification. 
Yeah, I agree with that. 

1138
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,920
Is the rapid innovations in shoe
design actually the thing 

1139
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,920
causing this? 
That's one theory, one question.

1140
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,880
It's a good the the interesting 
point there is I'm trying to 

1141
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,480
think now. 
I mean, that's just age. 

1142
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,400
About Yeah, I'm also trying to. 
Blame in the shoes as well. 

1143
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,720
It's just age and it's true. 
It's. 

1144
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,040
You know what's funny? 
Do you know? 

1145
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,640
And I don't know if you find 
this at all. 

1146
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,520
I find now if I sleep with my 
arms, like if I sleep on my 

1147
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,680
side, if I sleep on my side, 
when I wake up in the morning, 

1148
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,960
my shoulder is killing me. 
If I don't like if I move my, if

1149
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,760
I have my arms or shoulders at 
normal angles, that I would have

1150
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,760
slept like that for years. 
I think I've always been a side 

1151
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,320
sleeper. 
Yeah. 

1152
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,160
Now I'll wake up and my shoulder
and my collarbone will be so 

1153
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,920
sore. 
Yeah. 

1154
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Absolutely I could just because 
you're doing gym now and I'm. 

1155
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Doing and I'm going. 
To gym gym yeah yeah, yeah, but 

1156
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,960
no I agree so like choosing 
shoes with greater he he anyway 

1157
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,120
their theory is back to what I 
was caught kind of talking about

1158
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,840
the shoes flexibility can help 
giving your foot more ability to

1159
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,960
move forgetting about like yes. 
Yep. 

1160
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,040
The shoes are quicker. 
Yep, a favourite. 

1161
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,880
It might not be for everyone to 
be the best case to wearing them

1162
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,920
too often. 
The other one we got in was from

1163
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,880
Josh McNabb. 
Hey guys, in the beginning, 

1164
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,840
curse strikes again. 
Oh, no new injury. 

1165
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,000
First time I've copped a stress 
fracture. 

1166
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,360
This one being in the sacrum. 
Oh, that's kind of a hot. 

1167
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,520
Is this your stomach? 
No, no, no. 

1168
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,280
Like. 
Oh, Dan, your groyne area. 

1169
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Yeah, OK. 
So. 

1170
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,320
Yeah, I mean that's even higher 
than than the feminist stuff 

1171
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,760
going on. 
Having a lot of time on mines 

1172
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
have been digging into these, 
why it's so common at the 

1173
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,160
moment. 
Obviously been doing a bit of 

1174
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Googling or what is it these 
days? 

1175
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,120
Chatting chat? 
ChatGPT that that's a new 

1176
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,560
there's a reason to stay fit 
kids. 

1177
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,360
Otherwise you'll end up Googling
boring stuff. 

1178
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Back to my theory on high 
stacked shoes. 

1179
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,920
This is Courtney's theory on 
high packed shoes. 

1180
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,400
From digging in the number of 
experts, the opinion is that the

1181
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,920
highest stress fracture rate in 
the body is more likely to what?

1182
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,040
Reds or energy deficiency being 
the key to factor now. 

1183
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,080
So not eating correctly, not 
having the biomutrients bones 

1184
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,720
breaking down. 
Now I disagree on this because 

1185
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,080
the first thing that happened 
when I went and got my scans and

1186
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,200
there was an injury, we did full
bloods. 

1187
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,240
Yeah, no issue. 
OK, that's one person. 

1188
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But I didn't change my diet. 

1189
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,040
I didn't change anything else. 
So like it might contribute to 

1190
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,280
some people's issues, but I 
don't think it's. 

1191
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
The overall contribute, that's 
my opinion. 

1192
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,680
I don't think it's the overall, 
the overall factor. 

1193
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,960
I still think the overall 
factor's got a lot more to do 

1194
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,000
with shoes. 
To go back around to what 

1195
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,240
Paddy's saying though, about 
more people, more running, more 

1196
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,240
injuries, more injuries, it 
stands to reason, right that if 

1197
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,000
you go through any period of 
inactivity in your life, 

1198
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,120
extended period of inactivity. 
Let's throw a very broad blanket

1199
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,800
here and say most people through
school, high school are doing 

1200
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,080
some level of sport, maintaining
some level of exercise. 

1201
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,640
The moment you leave school and 
you lose that structured plan A,

1202
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,360
the team school sport you play 
or whatever it is and the 

1203
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,280
training that comes with it. 
If that structuredness goes away

1204
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,680
from your life, it's it's 
that's, I would say that's one 

1205
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,560
big drop off we see in physical 
activity amongst this Australian

1206
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,240
population. 
And then maybe you're at 

1207
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,920
university or college, but once 
you exit your 30s as well or 

1208
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,280
your 20s, there's another big 
drop off point because families 

1209
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,320
begin and everything else this 
boom we've seen has probably 

1210
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,760
reintroduced a host of people 
back into regular exercise, 

1211
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,920
running in this case. 
It stands to reason that all 

1212
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,120
that people kind of, when you 
surge a whole new audience 

1213
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,440
population into it, of course, 
of course we're going to see an 

1214
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,040
increased rate in injury, bone 
stress, injuries, all the rest, 

1215
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,640
just by sheer weight of numbers.
100. 

1216
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,320
Percent And when you add to 
that, even if all those people 

1217
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,040
didn't have something 
predisposed or the lack of inact

1218
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,520
or the inactivity, adding to all
that, the lack of knowledge or 

1219
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,120
the misinformation that exists 
is another thing that I would 

1220
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,720
suggest is probably adding to 
all that. 

1221
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,800
So you know who's winning? 
Physios, Yes. 

1222
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:11,800
Physios. 
Yeah. 

1223
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,400
Cash in. 
It's owned. 

1224
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,760
Yeah, it's a, it's a good time. 
It's a good, good time to be a 

1225
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,920
physio that especially a physio 
that, you know, knows their way 

1226
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,600
around running and running. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1227
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,320
Good morning anyway. 
So quick recovery, Josh. 

1228
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,000
Yeah, quick recovery. 
Hey, I was down at the Hunter 

1229
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Valley this week on a bit of a 
work thing. 

1230
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,200
It's an awful place to run. 
Oh, really? 

1231
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:37,640
No. 
Good. 

1232
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,600
I it's. 
Quite sort of. 

1233
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,320
Nothing like it's great for 
wine, but. 

1234
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,920
Yeah, have you been? 
Yeah, yeah, I've been at the 

1235
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,560
Hunter. 3 * 3 times for work. 
That's been my whole experience 

1236
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,240
except for staying and I think 
it's the ridges or the Mercure 

1237
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,800
which is its own ground. 
It has some like dirt tracks 

1238
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,960
with their vineyard. 
It's an it's like running on a 

1239
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,160
highway. 
The whole time I was dodging 

1240
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,240
car. 
I ran an hour every morning, got

1241
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,600
up early 6:00 and I was just 
dodging. 

1242
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,600
I was using every little bit of 
my running etiquette to run 

1243
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,200
against the traffic on the side 
of the road. 

1244
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Could not find anywhere. 
Here's a. 

1245
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,200
Here's a. 
Including using Strava heat 

1246
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,840
maps, I still couldn't find 
anywhere to run. 

1247
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,200
I've got this, this is coming to
you light in the pace. 

1248
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,720
It's as bad as a light in an 
episode as I've ever thrown out 

1249
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,360
one of these half thought out 
theory. 

1250
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:38,520
Yep, running in wine regions is 
no good in Australia. 

1251
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,720
But it should be because I would
say that I've run in the 

1252
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,640
Barossa. 
No good. 

1253
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,160
I've run in McLaren Vale, no. 
Good. 

1254
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,000
Is that because it's all private
property? 

1255
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,040
Well, I think so. 
And because large parts, you 

1256
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,760
know, they want, it's flattish. 
There's some rises and falls, 

1257
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,440
but it's kind of, yeah, it 
doesn't lend itself to. 

1258
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,640
But the problem is, well, not 
the problem. 

1259
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,160
I mean it's private property, 
right? 

1260
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,160
But I'm looking around going. 
There's nothing but grass and 

1261
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,280
fields and trails. 
It's literally dirt tracks as 

1262
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,000
far as the eye can see, but 
they're like, and I did check 

1263
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,040
on, I did check on heat maps to 
see where, where's the like 

1264
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,880
where's most people run and the 
road I end up running on was the

1265
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,440
highest. 
Traffic in foot? 

1266
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,840
If someone can show us good runs
through a wine region, I'd love 

1267
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,040
to know. 
I'm going to give, and I don't 

1268
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:33,240
know the names, there's a park 
run up on the Sunshine Coast out

1269
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,320
that, well, it's probably in 
between the Sunshine Coast and 

1270
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,680
Brisbane. 
That is on a winery. 

1271
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:44,480
Park Run Winery, Brisbane I went
out to the winery, not to run. 

1272
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,040
At ceremony so. 
Sorry, I forgot about ceremony. 

1273
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,600
No, this one's not on ceremony, 
but ceremony has one as. 

1274
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,160
Well, as a park run, yeah. 
Fantastic. 

1275
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,400
Spices Retreat, Hidden Vale Park
Run, maybe Ocean View Park. 

1276
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,640
No hidden Vale? 
There's one each week as well. 

1277
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,720
Two Rivers Winery, Park Run. 
Might be two rivers. 

1278
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,200
This one is up up Mount Cotton. 
They're Mount Cotton ceremony. 

1279
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Where's this other one? 
This one Someone will know what 

1280
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,760
where where this is. 
It's kind of like out north side

1281
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,800
of Brisbane on the way to the 
sunny coast out in the in the 

1282
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:19,920
hills. 
Anyway, I went out there for 

1283
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,160
lunch one day and there's like 
just park run signs everywhere 

1284
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,720
and it looked like I looked at 
it and thought I could run an 

1285
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,000
event here. 
Yeah, right. 

1286
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,240
Straight away I was like, this 
is this is a place where you 

1287
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,360
could come up with some type of 
event. 

1288
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,160
You sat on the you sat on the 
you know where you have lunch in

1289
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,280
the brewery or whatever it is 
Winery looked out over the the 

1290
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,000
fields and you could see the 
hills and we. 

1291
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,080
Maybe that maybe this is the 
first in the beginning run we do

1292
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,880
it, we find. 
It as they do it there every 

1293
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,000
Sunday. 
They won't do it as well as us. 

1294
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Like, here's what I'm thinking. 
You figure out the course, you 

1295
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,480
do a lot of the event stuff. 
I'll come up with a funny name. 

1296
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,240
Sounds like a sounds like a fair
exchange, Liam. 

1297
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,160
I'm just putting our our various
respective strengths to work. 

1298
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,000
But anyway. 
It is a call. 

1299
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,640
Does anyone know of wineries or 
in those regions so they do run 

1300
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,040
tours or something or give you 
access to run? 

1301
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,680
OK, hold on. 
Is this it? 

1302
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,480
What's this? 
Oh, this is exciting. 

1303
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,200
The greatest 5K run. 
What is this at? 

1304
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,480
The greatest 5K run at the 
Overflow Estate in Beaudesert. 

1305
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,120
Queensland. 
No, that's not where I'm 

1306
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,400
thinking. 
Beaudesert's West. 

1307
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,360
I know, but what the greatest 5K
run? 

1308
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,800
I don't know if it's been on for
a while but that looks fun. 

1309
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,400
Centaur outdoor events.com dot 
AU. 

1310
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,000
He wouldn't. 
Want to be there? 

1311
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,520
I want to go in. 
Summer. 

1312
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,160
Wait, what? 
What's the? 

1313
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,440
No, it hasn't been held for a 
while. 

1314
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,240
Oh the next 2024. 
They had held an event in 2024 

1315
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,040
in the Hunter Valley. 
They did. 

1316
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,400
They did what Winery doesn't 
say. 

1317
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,440
Doesn't say. 
Yeah, Oh, there's someone's got 

1318
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,040
the idea. 
I. 

1319
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,520
Thought there was a real gap in 
the market? 

1320
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Well. 
I don't know how many runners 

1321
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,280
get, but like, it is a highly 
populated spot for tourism. 

1322
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,480
Yeah. 
A highly populated spot for 

1323
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,200
company off sites. 
Yeah, going in, lots of people 

1324
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,160
staying. 
Think of one of the wineries 

1325
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,560
when you know what $10 entry run
our trails from six to seven 

1326
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,560
each morning. 
Little chill. 

1327
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,720
Am I asking too much? 
Little. 

1328
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,440
Chilled Rose Oh, you mean no, I 
think it's a great idea. 

1329
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,040
We've talked about this because 
there's been that event over in 

1330
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,080
Scotland or thereabouts where 
you run through and you have, 

1331
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,400
yes, there's. 
The private party, yes. 

1332
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,840
No, no, no, no, no, no. 
That's. 

1333
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,240
Not asking to do the wine, I 
mean you can. 

1334
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Do you just want to? 
Access. 

1335
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,640
I just want, I just want some 
access. 

1336
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,040
I'm calling for some access in 
the Hunter Valley to go and run 

1337
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,520
off the road. 
Open your gates. 

1338
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,680
There was a National Park. 
People are going to go Courtney.

1339
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,560
There's a National Park that you
can run in. 

1340
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,240
I agree there was. 
It's got fire roads. 

1341
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,760
I saw there's a mountain bike 
track there where I was staying.

1342
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,040
I would have had to travel 
around the back of the National 

1343
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,800
Park, which was too far to be 
able to get there because the 

1344
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,520
rest of the access was all 
private property. 

1345
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,120
There's my little bit of wine. 
For them all. 

1346
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,520
See what you did? 
All right, there you go in the 

1347
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,200
beginning for your weekend. 
To anybody that finished the 

1348
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,520
Melbourne Marathon, we'd still 
love to hear of your personal 

1349
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,359
experiences and more 
importantly, as we look forward 

1350
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,319
Noosa, we are two weeks out at 
time of recording from 2 weeks, 

1351
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,080
2 weeks, first weekend in 
November, 2 weeks out from the 

1352
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,000
Noosa Triathlon. 
Wow. 

1353
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,359
There's some some first timers 
been having, you know, writing 

1354
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,040
and saying thanks for the help 
and that, you know, Dan's 

1355
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,399
obviously really resonated with 
him. 

1356
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:46,080
But the Clydesdale 1 True Cloud 
stars love a bit of controversy.

1357
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,560
Enjoy the weekend, we'll see you
next week.