In the beginning, episode 56, we are back Courtney.
First thing we need to do is apologise to the triple figure
white community. We've got that that episode.
If you haven't listened that episode we that we dropped on
Wednesday for the Noosa Tri series.
With Justin White, the Clydesdale.
The white. White by name and white by
nature. The Clydesdale.
He's been called out, hasn't he? Hasn't he?
92 KG doesn't cut. It the 100 plus club have come
for Justin. He he started saying there is a
90 to 100 a hundred plus and the 100 plus club have pretty much
come in and said no. Well, I need to give a specific
shout out to Beau Jones, one of the great We've spoken about
Beau previously and bottle it and the the charitable
organisation that he runs. You'll see.
If you've ever been to a triathlon, you might have seen
one of the athletes getting around in the floral kit.
Bo Jones has been sharing the stories from that episode.
Yes, the outrage, he said. My DMS have lit up.
This is not real Clyde's style. I think the message he used is
for those athletes that make the grounds shake when they run.
Make the paths. Make the make the foot paths
shake when they run this sub 100K nonsense.
They are not true Clydesdales. What's in?
What do you reckon he weighs in it?
Oh, Bo's over 100. Bo's are big.
Like he's in he's in the yeah Bo would be 65I reckon 6465 and
he's solid. Yep, real solid fellow SO.
You know, we've been calling, so I did get a message from our our
#1 fan Ryan Kelso as well saying Armada Marathon.
Yes. On board they're going to do the
weigh insurance on he's hoping to do the weigh insurance on
stage Oh do it Yep but his wife said it should be equal you
can't have women 80 men at 100 it's got to be she's she's
concerned that he's going to get cancelled before he even gets it
off the ground for being. For being unequal here.
For not being. What do you reckon at that call?
It should be 100 hundred. I mean, look, we get into
physiological things here where it's physiologically women are
lighter than men. So I understand what Ryan's.
Trying to do all a bit of fun here.
We just love the fact that you know, we, we know it is harder
to run when you are a, a larger person.
Well, let me get into this right now.
I want to get this. You don't know about this yet,
but my T-shirt might give something away, Do you?
What can you see here? I can I I can see a Puma.
Yeah, right, I am. And time of recording or the OR
the date people might be listening to this will be the
Saturday the 18th of October. On Monday, yes, Ned's
uncomfortable challenge kicks off Ned Brockman's.
He does it through Puma. He created this obviously Ned
famously getting uncomfortable doing these various challenges.
Puma, one of his major partners, he created this thing with them.
Ned's uncomfortable challenge runs for 10 days, encouraging
people to get out there and make themselves feel a bit
uncomfortable. And does he have a Clydesdale
class? Well, he.
Should have a Clydesdale class in a uncomfortable challenge.
That's the way I thought you're going.
With me, No. What I want to ask you because
needs reached out and said you're gonna get involved this
year and I said sure, sure, send me a pair of the Puma deviates
as well with the carbon in them. What are they?
They're they're race. Shoes.
They're the they're probably the Puma equivalent of the Boston
twelves. Yeah.
So that's kind of your your tempo trainer.
Yeah, really fun to run in. A bit envious of you, you, you
seem to be getting a lot more free shooted out of this podcast
than I do. You got you got a pair of Nike
Alpha flies there. Now you're copping some Pumas.
I tell you what, I'm actually seeing Ned next week.
I'll. I'm I'm OK, I'm OK.
No, no, but I am a bit jealous. Like a lot of free snappies
blowing you away. The reason I bring up Ned's
uncomfortable challenges because I said, Yep, I'll get involved
and I do want to get involved because I think it's good fun.
The thing for me is though, distance isn't uncomfortable,
right? I can we can go out and I and
it's more kind of I'm not, I'm not time rich.
I don't because of the kids and work and everything else.
I don't have a lot of time on my hands, but I do want to
challenge myself now, the thing I want.
Can I take a guess? Oh, here we go.
Are you going to do something around ice bath?
No, every day. No, I could do that because I
think that's. Probably the most uncomfortable
thing I can. That is uncomfortable, yes.
What I'm going to do and this was my idea and I've I've hit a
stumbling block. This is where I need your help.
Stairs. Yep.
Oh OK, Yep, this was my plan and I'll tell you what, the hurdle
to this was 10 days for the Ned's uncomfortable challenge.
I wanted to tackle the Karumbin stairs, you know the ones where
the alley Crime and Ally is and there's the stairs that go up.
I, I I don't know that, but I've heard I've heard plenty of
problems around those stairs. So then there's people that you
look out down over Elephant Rock.
Sorry, no, not Elephant Rock, because Elephant Rocks back up
nearby. No, I know.
I know what you mean. You look back down the coast,
that's it. Why I say problems is there's
walkers verse runners issue like Miami.
Yes, this was my plan. Every day during Ned's
uncomfortable challenge. I do sets of those stairs based
on Max temperature forecast for the day.
Oh, so if it's 28, you're gonna do 20?
8 steps, that's what do you think of that?
Well, I think if you were to do that, yeah, you need to do
what's the temperature at the time you go to do the steps,
Because I know you're not in the morning.
You you can't do this in the morning before the show, right
at your radio show. So like if you got out at 12:00
PM in the day and it's 34. Look it up.
Well, I think no, but I think that's the thing I've got to do
Max the the maximum temperature for maximum day for the day.
So for example today, yes, forecasted Max is 26 OK, even
though the temperature right now is 22.
You you've got to do. That I've got to do 20. 6.
It's a good challenge, uncomfortable challenge.
Got a bit of a. Ring to it.
Bit of a ring to it. Now here's the problem I have,
though, and you might have already solved it.
Crum and stairs. I went to check them out the
other day. Yeah, they've been demolished.
There's work being done, so I need another set of stairs.
Gold Coast. Now, is Miami challenging
enough? No, because they're not that big
at Miami. They're grey, they're colourful.
2820. Eight sets 20.
Eight sets of those stairs. There's still a fair bit of
steps, but where I was going was this morning.
I'm not going to say exactly where I was, but I do have an
uncomfortable challenge for you. OK, go.
How does more 700 metres of elevation straight uphill?
Sound at a time, yes, sounds. Sounds like I'm not doing 28
sets of it. No 7. 100 metres, you weren't
uncomfortable, it's probably a little bit as high, hard.
For you how? How long?
Hold on. So this is 1. 11-UP.
What was your distance? In just under 5 kilometres.
Wow, that's Oh well, you said hills.
You want a. Hill And I'm like, so how long
did that take you? 5 KS.
Well, I, I had a bit of, I put a bit of weight on my back this
morning. So that's where I was thinking
maybe you could go somewhere with maybe not 28 kilos.
No, but that was going to be my alternative.
But you could put some weight on your back and do and depending
on what the day is and do something around that.
So people, tell me what you think because that was going to
be, that was my alternative plan.
I was going to go and it was either going to be temp sets or
weight. So it was either going to be I
have to do the amount of sets based on the temperature or
that's how much weight I have to put on for one set.
So if it's 28 I have to do 28 reps or I have to do 1 Rep but
with 28 kilos on if. You're posting this on social
media, you're going to get much better uptake if you put weight
on. Ohh really?
I just think it's. More the will OK, more
impressive. Tell me more about this.
Rock, You went on more more impressive to me putting weight
on. Especially after the Wednesday
episode. Like, it just looks good.
Yeah, You probably hit the high rocks crowd, you know, like
there's a thing. And now I'm, I'm, I'm joking,
but I this is what I did this morning.
I put 10 KG on my back and then did a little bit of a hike.
I I've been down at the Hunter Valley for the week.
And I mean running like you actually probably running.
I thought I'll just give my day, just give myself a a bit of a a
day off. Yeah, a day off running.
And I've been, you know, I'm on home on the coast, got a bit of
time. So remember I was talking a
little bit about the UT MB, how the the two winners and their
coach up the uphill training coach plays around a lot with
rocking. And when I say rocking, it's
like putting weight on your back.
Instead of running up the hill, you actually just hike up and
your muscles are taking a lot more of the load.
So I've been playing around a little bit just to get just out
of interest in getting a feel of it.
Now here was my problem Liam and I was walking up this trail this
morning when I'm saying walking, I'm power hiking up this trail
this morning and I would have been about 35 minutes in.
You know, it's it's pretty solid work.
So this. Is with 10K on that well you?
Think you guys 7 It's 700 metres avert in just under 5
kilometres. So if you go back down to
Kanani, it's probably steeper than what?
You'll see it and with 10 kilos in your back.
Yes, I'm walking along and I look down and there's a little
whip snake, I reckon. Oh, right under my feet am I?
I danced. I danced like a ballerina.
I danced. The problem is my calves.
Oh no. And oh, it was like, oh, no, no,
I'm OK, I'm OK, but the snake nearly put an end to my running
again. I, it felt like I, you know
what, like if you did plyometrics and you've got to do
a box jump, it was kind of like that.
But I've got 10K, I've got the extra weight on my back and I've
gone to just, I've just automatically gone into
protective. Mode.
Yeah, slight mode and. Off that calf that I, you know,
previously had a bit of issues with.
And I just was like, oh. And how's it pulled up to the
snake? No, no, no.
It's it's all good. I keep going.
I. Do like the idea that you turn
up to your physio appointment saying I think I've torn my
calf, I'll pick my calf. OK, Tell me what happened.
Well, well, I saw a snake and then I jumped, but I also had 10
kilos on my back. Yeah, like probably doing
everything you shouldn't be doing.
How have you found the rocking exercise?
How have you found that as someone who's tried a lot of
stuff? All I know is going if you're
putting the weight on your back and you know, we've seen this
probably more around like you see guys, you know, training, go
to the military and you see a lot, I mean.
Maybe. Is it the Murph challenge that a
lot of the cross fitters used to do?
Do they do it uphill? No, typically the mile they run
in that is not is. But with a you, we've got a
weight vest. OK, so like if anyone's
listening, just let's be really clear, I'm not advocating
running with extra weight on flat ground.
OK, no. No, you you think that that
that's like putting. It's a waste of time.
I don't know about the the physics of it is to me it's a
recipe for disaster that you're landing with all that extra
weight. The whole point of hiking up the
hill with the extra weight is I'm not loading up on like
gravity. So it's a purely A muscular
exercise. And look, I haven't done it.
I don't. I don't.
I haven't done enough to understand if it's effective or
not. But then I take that weight off
to come down, so I'm not carrying the weight the whole
time. So you're doing the 5K, your
five KS 700 metres vert with 10 kilos up, and then you take that
weight off your back on the descent?
Yes, right. That's interesting.
So if anyone wants to go and find some lead at the top of
Springboro. Yeah, you've left it up there.
No, it's water. It's water, it gets, it gets
released. Oh, so you OK?
That's really interesting again. So you've actually, because in
my mind you've put a 10K plate. Yeah, and I'm just stocking all
my old iron weights up the top there and then one day go and
collect them in the car. No, no, no, no.
So. You're putting 10 kilos of
water. Yes.
And is I'm. I'm about to show how is that
just 10 litres? Yeah, OK.
I don't know how much a litre weighs.
Is it a kilo? Oh well.
I'm. Assuming it is, I don't know is
is is is Creek water heavier than tap water?
This is getting into that area of lungs, lungs and.
Hold on, here we go. One litre does not equal 1
kilogramme for all substances. 1 litre of water has a mass of
almost exactly 1K almost fine. OK, so we're we're tall then.
Water's density is about we. Want to have a per litre?
What about Creek water? Look, it doesn't give me.
It doesn't give me that it's. Got a lot of, it's got a lot of
What do you call them? It's probably minerals.
It's probably heavy. I'll probably carry 12 kilos,
yeah. It's, I agree, I think you've
done it with 12 kilos because it's Creek water, so.
Let's go 12 kilos up the hill because I'm carrying Creek
water. It's 700 metres of elevation.
Yeah, I mean, that's just a nice.
And how long did that take you walk in the forest?
I think it was about and I'd have to have a look here, but I
think it was about an hour up. OK, OK, 55 minutes an hour up.
We well, we can run up there, but.
Elevation, The reason I ask about that is because, and I
went for I had a light week last week, I really struggled to find
time to run. And although I had been back at
a gym and I'll tell you about talking, I think we're sort of
we're in the area of some stuff I've been doing with that impact
running specific stuff. But I went for a run and the
plan was to do some trail runs. The problem was the intended
turn off into trails was blocked off by this bridge that we were
planning on. We're going over Creek was
blocked. So we ended up running the road.
I did 27 KS and you know trees Rd.
Yeah, I do know. I've ridden.
It's a bike Rd. Yeah, it's not really a running.
Road. It's not a running Rd, no around
trees. Road 27 KS with about it felt
like a lot more but 500 metres of elevation, that's a solid
run. It was hot.
This was last Saturday. It was hot in the middle of the
day. Look, I really enjoyed it, but
it was a tough old run. Did you?
I think I enjoyed it. I did.
No, I did 'cause I hadn't run much.
Yeah, although my hamstrings are still paying for a little bit at
the. Moment I know trees well.
We used to do cycling if it's up there.
Well, as I was running along, there's no shoulder.
No, no. But there's not a lot of, I
mean, maybe there is now, maybe the valley.
But there I was running along and thinking, jeez, I'd love to
be in the trail right now 'cause the running on the road is
awful. Could you just tell the postman
or the Amazon delivery closing stop coming right when we're
recording? You know, it's an in the
beginning podcast episode because the posties turn up to
deliver a package 100%. Hey, can I tell you a bit about
these exercises I've been doing which I'm finding I've got
something, I can't talk about it yet, but I've got something on
the way that I'll talk about at a later date.
It's part of motivating some of the decisions I'm making around
the training I'm doing at the moment.
Really simple exercise I've been doing at Momentum Gym, which
I've just joined up here, Wade Lee's who I'm loving.
Listening to Wade talk and the way he talks about the exercise
and the specificity of all the things he's doing and getting
your brain switched on. It's great.
I'm loving it. I feel it's a bit like when you
start talking about the way you train, the way Wade's
instructing all these courses, but really simple thing of
stepping off a box or stepping off a 30 centimetre high and
catching. Yep.
And that active activating my calf, like both calves at the
moment, someone with calf history, The simple act of doing
that, I'm not doing a lot of it doesn't feel like I'm doing a
lot of heavy calf raises or anything like that.
But this simple activity which we're doing quite a bit.
I'm doing some back squats and some deadlifts and all the rest
of that. So trying to get that strength
through the glutes and the hammies as well and the quads.
But that step off and catch I, I feel like it's really my calves
are responding, really. Well, you're getting sore after
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a really
like. And it's not, it's not an
onerous thing. It's kind of three sets of five
reps of this thing, but it's something I've never done
before, OK? There's no weight involved aside
from my own body weight, obviously.
But that activity of. And for people that can't quite
understand just, you know, find a bench, a box, a seat or
something. And as you step off, it's the
idea of not bouncing or moving forward or.
It's sort of it. I don't, I don't have much
experience. I can't, can't recall.
Sure, I would have done it at some stage, but I can't recall
it being a big, big part of my programme.
It's brought back memories of remember when Benita and as
we're doing the Gold Coast Marathon series, yes, talking
about switching your brain on in the warm ups and in your your
pre run routine and the hops and all that sort of stuff and
getting your brain. It's activating, yeah,
activating both neurally and muscular.
Yeah. And I'll be honest, neurally
activating, I've even when people talked about it, I
haven't taken it seriously. I haven't ever.
I've kind of rolled my eyes in my head about the idea of
neurally activating now that I'm doing these exercises and why
it's explaining all that sort of stuff.
And even just the warm ups and there's a very specific warm up
before we do whatever the set is at the gym.
I get it. It's good having someone with it
telling your stuff isn't it isn't a good one on one training
I. Get it?
Yeah, it's. And then yeah, I'm.
I'm really. And look this is in a group
setting, but who I? I'm a group.
Group or not, it's just the fact he's taking the time on one
online to like go. Really explaining, Yeah, not in
a patronising manner, but in a very specific and intellectual
way. This is why we're doing these
things, because this is what's happening inside your brain and
your body and all those. And I'm getting a lot out of it.
It's good for my running. Great.
Yeah, awesome. Hey, I was driving up to
Southport. I say they find your Triple M
company have finally taken on my advice and got you on some
billboards. The market expense come out.
Yeah, the market. I said this when you first said
I'm coming to the coast. Yeah, I said mate, you've got to
get on Bill. It's be to beat the competitors
you need to be on. I need to be driving my kids to
school and see Liam, Spider and and Lizel on a billboard.
Yep. Now I've got some feedback
though. Oh, here we go.
You're not big. Enough, you've got a me.
Personally is this. Shot.
Well, that too, you're a little bit smaller.
Spider is 200 centimetres tall. That is true.
No, all three of you are not big enough.
As in the billboards, not big enough?
No, you're not taking up enough space on the Billboard.
It's too focused on empty space and a little and and the Triple
M logo. OK, I need to see who I'm
listening to and I don't think it's so the Billboard is good.
This is the one at Bundle Rd. Anyone on the Gold Coast
listening? If you go up Bundle Rd at All
Bermuda St, some people might call it kind of as you go
Ashmore Roads up towards Pindara Hospital.
Is it? It would be.
I'm thinking it's 20 metres by 6 metres. the Billboard.
Yeah, it's huge. And you are?
Just not big enough. So can you I'll get on to your
marketing part. Yeah.
So I'm not happy here's and for anybody that hasn't seen that
billboard, Nick, keep an eye out for it because peek behind the
curtain in that picture I am standing on.
I think it was like 4 reams of paper. 3 reams of paper for the
photo because honestly. Do you do you mean actually like
blocks of printing paper? Blocks of printing paper because
not 4 pieces. Oh no, no, no reams.
I'm talking reams. Yeah, like for that photo,
Liesel spot is 200 centimetres. Liesel's in heels.
Like it was without me standing on the paper.
It was daddy bear, Mama bear, baby bear stuff for the
photographer. So they had to go and get 4
reams of paper for me to stand on to make that thing look half
decent. Yeah, it's good.
It's good to see. Great to see you on the way to
school. It's nice to see you more than
when I'm in here. It's nice to see the marketing
spend happening taking effect. Can we talk a bit about one of
the sporting events that's happening this weekend as we, as
we put this episode where where marathon season's kind of behind
us now to a degree. I mean, we've said goodbye to
all the Australian major marathons, Melbourne marathon.
But maybe just the marathons are gone.
I'm sure they're and. Chicago, Oh, the Chicago.
The men's record got a shake from Kiplum.
He ran. He I think he went very close to
the world record. He ran through the first half in
an hour or something flat. It was a very impressive run.
Since most people have told me they don't care who wins a
marathon anyway. I've you quite care, I don't
care who isn't marathon, but well done I haven't.
You know what? I didn't see many reviews of the
Melbourne Marathon. I did have this down as a point.
Oh well, let's get to it you. Want to go to the Melbourne?
Yeah, we'll come back to the other event last.
Weekend, we'd said last week. I had made a point to say I just
haven't seen a lot of advertising or social media or
in general. It just wasn't the same as
Sydney. Yep, it just wasn't thing.
So you didn't see much on it since the weekend?
I saw some bits but it no. Not not Did you see any brand?
I saw a little bit of Nike stuff.
So it's a Nike race, right? It is the one that's not an ASIC
race. Yeah, but.
I I didn't see a lot of brand activations around it that what
it got into my feed anyway do. You reckon it's something to do
do do Do you think it's got to do with her in Queensland?
But when we see Sydney, so why wouldn't we see Melbourne?
Running Victoria Man. Sorry, yeah, no, but that's what
I mean. The fact it's down South in
Melbourne and we. Are in Queens.
That's why we we were fed less of it.
But then and then I've just kind of thought in my head as I've
said that we see NSW. And we see a lot, Yeah, I don't
know. Did you see much of it?
No, no. The only thing I I did see was
Louis Phillips, because I'd, yes, I'd literally being with
him and then talking to him. So I, I copped his obviously my
algorithm said, oh, you've been chatting and what did and what
did what did his presence around it look like did was there.
I know he ran it so well. He went under 250.
That was his goal. So great.
Yeah, Congrats. But other than that, I, I, I
just know he went under 250. That was my whole yeah, I don't.
And he ran in, he got a like obviously Nike race, but he, I'm
pretty sure he was in Adidas. He'd been sent a box of a gift
box of Adidas. So he wore Adidas.
Well, here's a question. You mentioned Louis, and I
noticed, I saw because I saw him one of his posts as well,
running in those. Let's talk about blokes running
in those pants. Oh, hang on, let's talk about
it. OK, skins, hold on today.
Yeah, OK, skins tight. Keep going, keep going, and I'll
find what do you. Have you ever?
I know you ran in, you raced in a suit.
Oh mate, I'm I've I'm if you want to if you want some
expertise on lycra. Right.
What do you think? Triathlons where you can't.
At what speed do those bike short pants style things become
OK because I have trouble with them?
I mean, the only thing I I'm like if I see bike shorts, I
think chafe. The reason I would run in a pair
of tights, what are they called tights?
OK, the Rea I would run in a pair of tights when I'm having
trouble with chafe. Right.
But I would never run in just me personally, I wouldn't go.
I'll go and run in tights for any other reason than chafe.
However there was. I mean, when it comes down to
compression, yeah, there is some evidence on wearing compression
around your quads that can help and same as calf socks or
whatever else. So a compression thing's
different. But what I'm saying they're not,
these aren't compression tights or anything like that.
These are just people that is wearing like track tights.
My because this is coming at it from a footballing perspective,
it was always offensive if one of your teammates turned up at
footy in winter and they were rolling the skins without shorts
over the top. Like if you put skins on, fine,
but put some modesty shorts on over the top.
Not for yourself but for the rest of us, right?
And I think I I personally would like the same rule to apply at
marathoning above a certain pace.
Well, let's go through this because Angus Crisp sent me just
crispy crispy sent me what your running shorts say about you
Yes. Now this came from run later the
the the account run later. I don't know who that is, but
anyway, it'll turn off my volume.
All right. What you're running is so split.
We'll start with the split shorts.
The runner runs at least 80 miles a week.
Hasn't felt shamed since 2014. We'll talk to you about glyco
glycogen depletion at mile 22. Thighs out, ego up.
Yeah, great. Have you ever do you run?
Have you ever run? So I have not run split shorts
since grade 9. Cross country do.
You know who comes to me if we split shorts?
You know what jumps straight to my mind?
Craig Mottram In my mind, that's that level.
Like real. That's the era taught.
That's the level. But, you know, so I did.
More track. So I did look through this,
yeah, more track, but I did look through this and these what I'm
about to go through. And I actually disagree with a
lot of this cause split shorts, if you think of those brands,
some of those brands you didn't know that are trending split
shorts are in. Are they 100% chewy?
Mcswain's a a a split shorter it feels.
More like he is. But then he wore.
He's been wearing the tights. They're called half tights.
Half tights because I'm here of half tights.
Deadly serious about training, Doesn't post every run because
they don't need validation, Has a separate laundry load just for
running clothes, runs in anywhere that despite how cold
or hot and will not complain. Now I disagree really highly
with this. I am thinking most people are
wearing tights because it's on trend.
I have an issue I think. I think this might be my biggest
issue in running right now. Half times I, I I if, if I.
Could Is it because of the shervo package?
Is that is that your issue with them?
What's your? Issue, I just don't think
they're necessary. Look, and that's and we know
necessity is not the reason we do a lot of things in this life,
but it's such an affront on your eyes for everybody else.
It does feel good. Does it well, I've never worn
them. That's coming from triathlon
talk. Like wearing lycra.
It looks shit, but it feels good.
It feels good. However, I believe I disagree
with this highly. I believe majority of people are
wearing them because it's on trend.
It's it's, it's the thing to do at the moment.
What? Performance value?
Do they give you just like? Split shorts came in because it
was a little bit more on trend. It was a track track thing.
Here's what I'll say. Track Smith running.
They're to blame. I wouldn't say they are to blame
around split shorts. So I don't have a OK, let's just
let's isolate a few things here. This is a male issue.
This is a man's running issue. We are going.
There this is a apologies to all the female runners out there,
you guys, I mean, this is just your running.
Gift, but they've also probably got an opinion on this because
it's if a guy's running correct you, what he's wearing in shorts
does matter. I don't need to know which way
you dress swing. I don't know.
I do not know. You need to know if you go left,
right or up the middle. If you're running, if I'm
running with you in a group or you're running towards me, I
don't need to need to. I don't need to know what mood
you're in, right? That's why I'm fine with split
shorts 'cause there's some puff and some fluff and some wind
effect. And split.
Split shorts will nearly always have an inner.
It's a bit of protection. The old the old parachute?
Yep, the old netting. Yeah, get a bit netting.
I just don't. I think if we can, if, if I can
have one running wish, it's that the trend of half tights goes
away, yeah. We don't need them.
Are you a 5 inch guy? Now 5 inch is the length, isn't
it? Yeah.
The inseam. No.
See what? No.
So sorry, not the inseam, it's the length of the the shoe.
How far is 5/8? No 5 inch?
How far is 5 inch? Well, it's kind of the mid, the
mid. So if I looked at a you looked
at a picture, they're not quite long.
What length? So they're not what do I wear I.
Was going to say, what length are the salomons?
You put me on the on the seven. They're great.
They're fantastic. Well so 5 inch these guys are
saying been running long enough to know to ensure chafe like
hell, chooses comfort and speed but not compensating for
anything. Has seen some dark places on
long runs. So they kind of put this like 5
inches in the middle of seven inch.
However things fight. Now this is where I highly
disagree and I'm being put in a box here.
Thinks 3 miles is long distance. Nah.
Still calls it cardio. Probably has hybrid athlete in
their bio. Oh no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What about basketball shorts for
running? No kids.
Grow up, grow up. There's probably half time.
Probably uses Nike Run Club to record the run and runs with
half empty plastic water bottles in hand.
OK. Now let's let's remember though
just quickly, let's remember everything Courtney and I are
saying right now about this that our baseline of operation is all
running is good running, everybody getting out there and.
Running. We're just having some fun.
Is good running now that I've established that if you're
running in basketball shorts, grow up.
Go and get some running shorts. Go and buy yourself a pair of
shorts. There ain't much difference
between 7 inch in basketball. Leave your hoop dreams behind
and go and get yourself some running shorts.
Now Crispy, who sent it to us? He said Ah shite because I sent
this and then I realised I run in Lululemon shorts and I've got
a Lululemon shorts 1 here go. Probably owns a golden
retriever. Spent $98 to look fast for a two
mile run club. Definitely records runs on an
Apple Watch, Jogs in place at stoplights.
Do you? No, please don't.
No thinks the warm up is supposed to be an all out run.
So what I would say about those Lululemon shorts is that that
matches up. Remember I said I went past
Lululemon's activation at the Sydney Marathon?
Yeah. That's out.
That was it it. Was a pretty spot on.
But I have heard they're really comfy.
I I do. Not doubt it.
No, no, I've heard Luke that I haven't heard shoes wise not.
Great make shoes. Hence probably haven't heard,
didn't even know that they haven't heard the greatest thing
but. I would I like I think
Lululemon's I think. Lululemon's I've heard 100%
comfy. Lululemon's an interesting
branding example, case study I guess, because when it started
very much a yoga brand. Well, I don't know if that's
where it originated, but that's my perception of it.
And also very female focused. Yes, and try to skew to male.
Do you know Lulu would do the best job?
I think of community slash influencer marketing in the
country around this space. Well, when I say the best, they
invest the heaviest. Well, I know, I know.
Dill Buckley is an ambassador of Lululemon's.
I feel like Max Gorn's done some stuff for them down in
Melbourne. Yeah, no, I look and I think
it's a fantastic brand. And do you know what comes to
mind? As much as I said yoga, female
forward, all the rest of it is quality.
It feels like a quality brand. I don't think I've, I think I
might have owned AT shirt once. I don't think I've owned much
Lululemon, but I feel like it in my mind it's it's it's in that
quality. Tier.
Yeah. Hey, I'm talking about female
focus first, a bit more male focused.
Did you watch Bathurst? Yeah, on the weekend.
Oh, how good was that moment? Do you know where I'm going?
Taz Mosta. Yep, Yep.
But crashing out. Crashing out.
Open the barrier. Straight onto the beers.
Great Northern in hand. Yep, within two minutes of
crashing out of the crack. That's going to, that's going to
be, it's going to be one of the all time great moments of sport.
They're in. They're for all future
professional athletes listening, for all current professional
athletes listening. That is how you handle
adversity. You, you, literally you drive
into the skid. That is how you handle a moment
and get value out of it forever. More like he he could have been,
and I'm sure he was salty, filthy, annoyed, frustrated,
angry. All those emotions would have
been running through his head. Now, had he walked through that
crowd and handled things differently.
Yeah, really could have. You know, maybe nothing happens.
Maybe nothing comes of it but potential to maybe damage a
brand if he brushes them or gets annoyed or gets frustrated the
way Chaz Moss had handed. That is a lesson.
A mask they should put up for every future athlete.
Hey guys, if you ever crash out and have to walk through the
crowd, this is how you handle it. 100% this.
Is there's no negativity, it was probably a mid strength.
So there all these people saying sure you shouldn't be drinking,
they're ticked off. Definitely a super crisp 100%.
Can I quickly talk a bit more about Bathurst because I love I,
I was thinking about this, the, the commentary, the, the
coverage was fantastic. But the, and the phrase I took
out of it was that to get good racing, you just had a little
bit of rain or something like that along the lines.
Those final 10 laps or whatever it was when that cloud was
settling in at the top of the mountain.
I was thinking, the commentary's raving about this, right?
They're declaring it one of the greatest races ever.
The crowds losing their mind. The viewers are enthralled.
Yes, a fourth did I hear this morning.
Fourth highest viewed behind sporting event this year behind
the AFL Grand Final. I think it's 5.3.
MIL And yet those athletes, the drivers could not have been in
more danger. They were hurtling across the
top of the mountain with basically new visibility and we
were cheering them all on like this.
That to me is gladiator stuff. No, it is because in a world
where more and more it's about safety, Yeah.
And everyone like, oh, we can't do that if someone's going to
get upset or hurt or injured or dangered.
And that still celebrated. It just shows you, Liam, if, if
more sports just had a bit more freedom.
I mean, I'm not going to say violence.
Isn't there no? Because But there's a lot of
sports that have pulled so far back from what they originally
were. Yeah, and that's why people
watch sport. That's why we watch elite
athletes in sport, That's why we don't watch mediocre athletes.
That's why the pinnacle of sport at somewhere like Bathurst or
UFC or you know, if you're watching an NRL grand final or
whatever it is and you want to see the pinnacle of what normal
people cannot do, and they proved exactly that on the.
I would have put. I would have pulled over in
those conditions. 100 yeah, I would have you would have been
if you were driving down the M1 on that awful white concrete
which goes, which is the same colour as the bloody rain and
the clouds. When the when that when weather
sits in on the M1I slow down, you find the.
Great. Are you one of those guys who
finds the? I I do not accelerate and try
and pass people. No, it was it was a great race
and one of my one of my favourite actually Scotty Pie
who drives as one of the Co drivers.
I think he's driving with Will Brown from Red Bull.
Red Bull and pole racing. I was listening to Apex Hunters,
his podcast this morning about the whole thing and there was
it's like a great race. But then in the background
there's so many stories going on in that super cars at the moment
about parody of the cars, more drag this motor, you know, Ford
complaining about they don't have quite the speed, but then
they've won the the shoot out. Like there's a lot going on in
that sport at the moment and it's working.
Yeah. Speaking of sport, I want to
talk about the cool and gather gold this weekend.
Yes, if you're listening to it today, it is today.
If you're listening to this on the Saturday, the Shoreham
partners Cool and Gather Gold, which is now quick background
for anybody that hasn't played along, This is one of the most.
It was created off the back of a movie in 1984 or 1980
thereabouts. Pretty much Grant Kenny.
Yeah, Guy Leach. Guy Leach, Yeah, made them all.
Colin Fraser's names exactly was in the was the star of the movie
and they literally created the race because the movie came up
with this race. The idea of racing from surfers
to Colin Gatter and back, it used to be 41.8 or a little bit
more than that total distance. This year, for the first time,
they've halved it, and it's also been introduced as part of the
series. So Ali Dae, who's won ten of
these calling out of gold, who I thought retired now.
And this is the thing. He did retire from the calling
out of gold and then they have integrated it into the series.
Yeah. So now as a series racer, he has
to compete in it. Courtney Hancock was explaining
this to us herself a full time winner of the Calling.
She came into the studio and she'll be she'll be commentating
as part of the coverage today. She explained that basically
what was happening and this is a, you know, it's probably
happening in other sports and we see things like the T20 and
other versions of netball and all these things pop up.
What was happening was the gun athletes, or a lot of athletes
were skipping the calling out of gold.
Because it's different training to the Sprint series.
You've got it already. So the sprints.
So these athletes have to be able to in the way Courtney, you
know, anything from 15 minutes to the calling out of gold,
which can take 4 hours. And that, as you would could
probably speak to better, is a would be a hard thing to train
and be ready for as an athlete and stay fit.
But here's a solution. I mean, it's not going to solve
all the issues of surf life saving.
I mean, it's a it's a different sporting, let's say landscape
these days to when the, the days of the Kenny's and the Uncle
Toby's and and Nutrigrain and all that were like obviously on
TV every Sunday. But the solution to me is don't
give people an option. And that's what they've done.
But then they've kind of like gone halfway and eroded like
this is my thoughts. They've they're going to erode
this event to just be another event when they had their
marquee event. This is their Hawaii Ironman
triathlon of their sport. It's the one thing in their
sport that outside people who don't follow Surf Life Saving
may still have a like an attachment.
To they know of oh, the cool and gather gold's on.
I remember that. Is that like, you know, they
race up and down the Gold Coast? Well, no they don't.
So you don't like it now? Or you you you don't like the
changes? No, absolutely not.
See in my, my thought is instead of going well, some of the
athletes, they it's too hard to train for the long and the
short. So I'm just going to skip the
long go. Well, you know what, double
points on the long and then you do the short as well and you
work out the best way. Like that's, that's not a big
enough sport to be able to pick and choose.
That's my, my point. So there's and the triathlon and
I'm talking in this is coming from a point of passion, not a
point of, oh, you need to put it down right.
Absolutely. Because I know triathlon was,
you know, since when I got to race around Australia and
triathlon, it's changed in the same way.
We don't have a local triathlon series here that's a
professional series anymore. And what happens is when you
give too much choice to athletes and let them hold what like hold
everyone to you. Dilute you dilute your problem.
You've got to treat it like a business.
And if your biggest business and your most knowledgeable race is
the cool and gather goal, you've got to make it the marquee race.
That's interesting as well because I'm just having a look
as you talk about it and I love hearing you talk about it like
that and I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
I can also understand why the organisers have done what
they've done. I, I don't think it's here for
good, like I don't think these changes are here permanently.
I think you, I think you will see a return to the long, long
form race. What makes you say that?
I think that we see some of these changes made short term
and I think the athlete resolve is what changes it ultimately.
Let me give you an example talking about this Iron Series
thing and, and last year the Iron Series championship was
decided in a in a final format. Essentially they they got down
to the last day and then athletes were given seconds head
start based on races leading up on the day.
Now Connor Mags won the men's series and Lucy Derbyshire won
the women's series, both first time winners, best on the day.
Does that mean they're the champion?
Does that mean they're the best athlete of that year?
I feel like when you have a, when you have an event, a series
like this and surfing's a bit the same.
My understanding is surfing is going to backtrack on what
they've been doing, where the world title is decided on that
final day. Because it doesn't like when
you've got, we'll go with surfing for a moment, when
you've got a Series, A calendar of events at such diverse waves,
Chopu and snapper and pipe and all these incredibly different
ways that require a different set of skills.
Why does the athlete that can execute best at Huntington Beach
deserve to be crown world champion?
Or you know, and I think I personal opinion, think the
champion should be the best consistent performer across the
season. That's who should be your
champion because they are able to adapt to the most waves and
have the overall highest result for the end of the year.
It's like EPL, it's it's first past the post.
It's not who's the best on one particular day different to what
football does. And I think my understanding
talking with some people is that the athletes have responded
that, OK, that's how we did it last year.
Fine. We don't love that because it
doesn't actually reward the most consistent athlete in a sport
where you have to be good week in, week out.
Yes, it takes away the need to be good in week in, week out.
You can kind of get there. If you can just be around the
mark on the last day of the season, you win.
Yeah, I, I mean, I hear you both.
I hear it both ways. I'm always thinking about sports
from a commercial point of view. Yeah.
Of if you want more people outside, like that's all well
and good for those people in the industry.
And like if you, if you're in surf life saving, that's your
daily, you know, that's just sport, you know, everything
that's going on. Yeah, but you take me for the
moment, I'm a little bit more removed from surf life saving
for me to take notice as an outsider into sport, you know,
like I took, I'm watching, I'm watching Bathurst and we're
talking about Bathurst and I'm loving it.
Am I going to talk about the cool and gather gold?
That's not the cool and gather gold anymore.
There needs to be some noise. I'm not going.
To just the point I was going to make looking at the results.
Interesting because Shannon Eckstein, widely considered one
of the greatest ever. Yes, Iron Man, how many?
I don't know how many series he won all up, but they called in
the professor. I think I'm just having a quick
look here. It's 6-7 times or more than that
I've under sold. Geez, I'm looking here.
He's probably A10 time Iron Man champ.
Kane younger brother is the five time calling out a gold champ
like Zane. I'm just I'm just having a look
here. Shannon's won it.
I don't think Shannon's ever won it, which is interesting.
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I mean he's.
Finished runner up but. That's interesting, right,
Because Kane then obviously went on to do things outside of the
sport. So it's a very different calling
out of gold. I still think the name has so
much equity and history and heritage.
I hope it reverts. Yeah, I just, I mean, like you
said, it's got heritage, it's got history and racing up and
down the Gold Coast, showing off the Gold Coast, showing off the
skyline. What it began as you take
something like we've talked about this before across let's
get away from iron surf life saving Iron Man for a while.
But like the events that become those marquee events are
historical events that like, yeah, Hawaii Iron Man.
So we're talking about UTMB now like it's it's now the big
thing. But that's been going on for,
you know, years and years. It's not like suddenly we just
change it. Yeah.
To make this thing as a Hawaiian man, they've, you know how they
mixed up the men and the women? One racing their niece.
That looks like. I'm pretty sure someone might
call me out. That'll come back together.
Oh cool, a friend of mine said that Katie Ramon who raced it
kinda Yep she she got it done. I think she finished 40th in the
pro females but said it was a grind.
Just it was hot. Oh, that.
Run It was a great race for the the the the women as well with
Taylor near yes, right at the end.
Lucy Charles as well. Like all it all changed.
It was like one of those real one of the great races of the
Hawaii man where you just saw. You know it was right to the
wire. People exploding.
I'm going to forget her name and I'm going to feel terrible for
it. I'm I'm frantically trying to
find it. But did you see the Sprint
finish in the Under 23 women's triathlon race?
Yeah, Matt Hill. Matt.
Matt, I think her name was Matt House is shit.
Just an unbelievable Sprint finish from the Aussie whose
name, apologies people are probably the people that are
following the triathlon closely screaming at it right now under
championships. I'm going to tell you who it is.
It is Rochelle Hill. Rochelle.
Rochelle Hill Oh, can we get this clip up?
Matt Hauser If you don't follow him, he's got it up there.
Rochelle Hill's Sprint kick finish to win the under 23
women's race, defeat the Italian race at all time.
It was so good. She flew home And that's
actually that's an interesting point about to take back cool
and get a goal. Courtney Hancock Another point
she made about this shorter format is that the runners are
the ones who are going to benefit the run.
The good runners in the field are the ones that Will.
She believes Will could take it out because, and she couldn't
remember the name, but there's one of the lads in the series
who apparently will run 3 minute case.
He's a runner. He's a runner.
But then even the old course where they had to finish with
the 10K run, it always had that. It was always that one long
distance run that, you know, was something different on that
because, you know, most of their sport is an upper body arms.
So that was the one race that gave the opportunity for someone
who could do an endurance run like a KNX.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For getting some of the names in
more the older days. But like the runners could come
through at the end of this race. It gave them a different race, a
different opportunity, Josh. Minogue, he's a good runner.
Actually. That was the famously, I think
it was two years ago, maybe three years ago when Ali won it
but had a torn calf. Yes, ran that.
Did that run with a torn calf? Yeah, well, it was Alex Rigby
that day looking after his calf. I know.
So it was. Share that riggers.
Yeah, like got him, got him through.
I think they, I think before the last run, they actually got
strapping on him like in the training in a pit stop,
literally in a pit stop with him on this triathlon thing.
What's even greater about that under 23 female win was I was at
the airport earlier in the week and happened to run into some of
the crew from Triathlon Australia.
And I said, oh, you know, like how's it gonna go?
And they actually, they thought Matt Hauser and the Para tribe
were their opportunities. So this one probably, it sounds
like without me knowing too much of the background, sounds like
it's one that, you know, she's Australian World Championships
and you get some Australian, you know, really top notch
performances come out of the skin.
Very nice. Congratulations.
Awesome. Yeah.
And to everybody else racing there down there over the
weekend, yeah, good luck. Good luck.
Good luck Jazza. Jazza from our Clydesdale.
Jazzy White. Yep, the the Folk.
Clydesdale King, He. He sent me a pic in his, all
these green and gold ready to go.
So good. Yeah.
What are we? What are we moving on to next,
Mr Atkinson? Because there's you.
You said we've got plenty to get through, so I'll let you jump in
next. Where did you want to go next?
Well, we've we've been jumping around a little.
Bit we have been moving around a local shop.
I've got an update on the Strava, the Strava V Garmin.
So not an update on the actual lawsuit that we talked about the
court case, but it sounds like something in the background at
least Strava and other developers will now comply with
Garmin's new data attribution rules before the November the
1st deadline. So going on in the background,
Garmin were actually if you use a Garmin product, they were
wanting to see the Garmin logo attributed or identified or when
you can see it when you shared it.
So I'm sure there's people who are a lot more across this than
what I am, but I'm assuming what this means is when you're on
Strava and you've used a Garmin product to put your information
on Strava, they want their logo showered.
Someone sent me this, yeah. So it's, it's an, it's a, it's
an advertising thing for them to say, hey, our product's being
used. I'm assuming they're thinking,
well, you're getting advantage out of this.
And our product being used. Well, we want, we want not just
Garmin Forerunner 243 showing, we want our logo.
Visible Strava said that they will comply Or is it have they
rejected? This article from where?
Who's it coming from? amileaminute.com, so if anyone
disagrees, go after them and not me.
In an email circulated by Strava on October the 11th, any
developer using Strava's API on its platforms and apps must
allow users to see the Garmin logo on workouts that originates
from Garmin devices. Garmin's got a good logo.
Logo. I'm on board for that.
Yeah. So I wonder then I wonder then
the trickle down effect of that. Yeah.
So the trigger down effect of that is then I wonder where the
people at Polar go. Well, hey, hang on, Garmin, get
me slippery slope. Slippery slope.
So I mean, would you care if you saw a logo?
Do you even look at anyone? Do you do you actually in,
because we're talking Strava here, probably mainly.
Do you even look? At at the data that people have
attached to their runs. Like, have you ever gone?
Oh, I don't, I don't know. Bo runs with AI.
Don't even pay attention to the shoes either.
Geez. I'm not running with him.
No, no, he hasn't got a. Gear.
Oh God, I yeah, I think. He's still using a 1984 Garmin 4
runner. For all the you're running in
Kayano, for all the daddy you do.
That for shoes for all the. No, but for all the daddy you
can add in on the bottom of Strava, ultimately I just look
at who's run where, how far and how fast.
That's ultimately all I look at. Is that what you're?
Yeah. Why do you look at other
people's runs? I'm curious, you're curious.
I'll tell you. And here's a story and I will
have to redact names for the sake of privacy.
Sure. I currently have a friend who I
have sort of set up with another friend in a romantic sense.
OK, and I now know things are going well.
They're running together. Because his runs, which are
normally geographically centred in one location, are now he's
running a lot more based on where this person lives.
I sent him. So is this a stalking situation
or is this no, no. Is this like you can actually
see? Because like if you run with
someone on Strava, it says hey, you've run.
With someone? No, no, no, she doesn't run.
He runs. He normally runs in one city.
I now notice that he's running a lot more in another city.
In another city, and that's the city or the part of the city
where she lives. Yeah, right.
So I'm assuming things are going well, the sleepovers.
Data. Privacy, yeah.
Doesn't exist anymore, right? I mean, this is the, the, the
irony of Strava is, you know, like Snapchat or Instagram, all
these other ones, like people would be like, I don't want
anyone to know where I am so that you put your privacy on so
you can't see where you're operating.
However, no one's got any issue of like uploading where they run
every morning. Yeah, I know.
And from like houses, there is a privacy.
I, I have that on, I have the first and last 200 metres of my,
yes, driver's turned off 200 metres.
But I think that's what it is, isn't it?
Can I extend that? Hopefully.
I mean 200 metres is that's stalking.
Now come find me. That's stalking.
Territory. And Courtney's home address is
yeah. Back to let's talk about bone
stress injuries, So is you. Do you know Patrick?
I know Patty Mack. That's that's who you do from
the running room. So he was on Network 10?
Yes, he was the other night talking about more runners
having bone stress injuries. So I picked up on that.
Hopefully my computer's on thing.
Bone stress is injury. So he's saying bone stress
injuries are on the rise as Aussies love for running
surgeons. So the theory behind that and I
and I don't agree or disagree on that, but the theory would be
more runners, more bone stress injuries.
I kind of do disagree. Why is that?
Because I think the bone stress injuries have changed #1 they're
more upper limb than lower, what we would have used to see in
lower limb. And I also #2 say it's not just
new runners getting the bone stress injuries.
We're seeing new existing runners who have run for a long,
long time who are now getting bone stress injuries.
And I put myself into that category, but I'm also putting a
lot of the the more elite runners that we're seeing are
getting up a limb, stress, injuries.
So what do you think? And we, we, you've hypothesised.
Well, we we, we, we shoe stars. Oh, look, I mean, yeah, we've
hypothesised. We don't have an answer.
I ran into a a like a physio I trust the other day and I said
he actually said to me there is some evidence suggesting around
the shoes and rebounds and I'm going to try and get that those
studies so we know more. But just for the sake of
conversation, we've had a few people ride in and like neither
disagree nor nor agree. It's just conversation points
here. One was from Spikes only on.
They didn't write in. I picked this up Spikes only
from Derek Hansen. So he's this.
This theory was as you get older, you start to feel things
differently than when you were younger.
So they're like saying it's actually more an older like an
ageing athlete type of thing. You muscles, joints, aches more
even from simple tasks, which I can.
Yeah, that's true. As such, changes in footwear
appeared to be amplified for this person.
OK, so, and this is where I've talked about this before, a
stiff shoe now feels a whole lot stiffer.
So it's got a carbon in there. I feel like that resonates with
me more like I feel it's stiffer. 2 decades ago, I could
probably put on any shoe and I would have run, wouldn't have
even a problem. So the the differences in shoes,
the differences in whether they're supportive or they're
too soft, more rubber, whatever else when you're ageing that has
more and more notification. Yeah, I agree with that.
Is the rapid innovations in shoe design actually the thing
causing this? That's one theory, one question.
It's a good the the interesting point there is I'm trying to
think now. I mean, that's just age.
About Yeah, I'm also trying to. Blame in the shoes as well.
It's just age and it's true. It's.
You know what's funny? Do you know?
And I don't know if you find this at all.
I find now if I sleep with my arms, like if I sleep on my
side, if I sleep on my side, when I wake up in the morning,
my shoulder is killing me. If I don't like if I move my, if
I have my arms or shoulders at normal angles, that I would have
slept like that for years. I think I've always been a side
sleeper. Yeah.
Now I'll wake up and my shoulder and my collarbone will be so
sore. Yeah.
Absolutely I could just because you're doing gym now and I'm.
Doing and I'm going. To gym gym yeah yeah, yeah, but
no I agree so like choosing shoes with greater he he anyway
their theory is back to what I was caught kind of talking about
the shoes flexibility can help giving your foot more ability to
move forgetting about like yes. Yep.
The shoes are quicker. Yep, a favourite.
It might not be for everyone to be the best case to wearing them
too often. The other one we got in was from
Josh McNabb. Hey guys, in the beginning,
curse strikes again. Oh, no new injury.
First time I've copped a stress fracture.
This one being in the sacrum. Oh, that's kind of a hot.
Is this your stomach? No, no, no.
Like. Oh, Dan, your groyne area.
Yeah, OK. So.
Yeah, I mean that's even higher than than the feminist stuff
going on. Having a lot of time on mines
have been digging into these, why it's so common at the
moment. Obviously been doing a bit of
Googling or what is it these days?
Chatting chat? ChatGPT that that's a new
there's a reason to stay fit kids.
Otherwise you'll end up Googling boring stuff.
Back to my theory on high stacked shoes.
This is Courtney's theory on high packed shoes.
From digging in the number of experts, the opinion is that the
highest stress fracture rate in the body is more likely to what?
Reds or energy deficiency being the key to factor now.
So not eating correctly, not having the biomutrients bones
breaking down. Now I disagree on this because
the first thing that happened when I went and got my scans and
there was an injury, we did full bloods.
Yeah, no issue. OK, that's one person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't change my diet.
I didn't change anything else. So like it might contribute to
some people's issues, but I don't think it's.
The overall contribute, that's my opinion.
I don't think it's the overall, the overall factor.
I still think the overall factor's got a lot more to do
with shoes. To go back around to what
Paddy's saying though, about more people, more running, more
injuries, more injuries, it stands to reason, right that if
you go through any period of inactivity in your life,
extended period of inactivity. Let's throw a very broad blanket
here and say most people through school, high school are doing
some level of sport, maintaining some level of exercise.
The moment you leave school and you lose that structured plan A,
the team school sport you play or whatever it is and the
training that comes with it. If that structuredness goes away
from your life, it's it's that's, I would say that's one
big drop off we see in physical activity amongst this Australian
population. And then maybe you're at
university or college, but once you exit your 30s as well or
your 20s, there's another big drop off point because families
begin and everything else this boom we've seen has probably
reintroduced a host of people back into regular exercise,
running in this case. It stands to reason that all
that people kind of, when you surge a whole new audience
population into it, of course, of course we're going to see an
increased rate in injury, bone stress, injuries, all the rest,
just by sheer weight of numbers. 100.
Percent And when you add to that, even if all those people
didn't have something predisposed or the lack of inact
or the inactivity, adding to all that, the lack of knowledge or
the misinformation that exists is another thing that I would
suggest is probably adding to all that.
So you know who's winning? Physios, Yes.
Physios. Yeah.
Cash in. It's owned.
Yeah, it's a, it's a good time. It's a good, good time to be a
physio that especially a physio that, you know, knows their way
around running and running. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good morning anyway. So quick recovery, Josh.
Yeah, quick recovery. Hey, I was down at the Hunter
Valley this week on a bit of a work thing.
It's an awful place to run. Oh, really?
No. Good.
I it's. Quite sort of.
Nothing like it's great for wine, but.
Yeah, have you been? Yeah, yeah, I've been at the
Hunter. 3 * 3 times for work. That's been my whole experience
except for staying and I think it's the ridges or the Mercure
which is its own ground. It has some like dirt tracks
with their vineyard. It's an it's like running on a
highway. The whole time I was dodging
car. I ran an hour every morning, got
up early 6:00 and I was just dodging.
I was using every little bit of my running etiquette to run
against the traffic on the side of the road.
Could not find anywhere. Here's a.
Including using Strava heat
maps, I still couldn't find anywhere to run.
I've got this, this is coming to you light in the pace.
It's as bad as a light in an episode as I've ever thrown out
one of these half thought out theory.
Yep, running in wine regions is no good in Australia.
But it should be because I would say that I've run in the
Barossa. No good.
I've run in McLaren Vale, no. Good.
Is that because it's all private property?
Well, I think so. And because large parts, you
know, they want, it's flattish. There's some rises and falls,
but it's kind of, yeah, it doesn't lend itself to.
But the problem is, well, not the problem.
I mean it's private property, right?
But I'm looking around going. There's nothing but grass and
fields and trails. It's literally dirt tracks as
far as the eye can see, but they're like, and I did check
on, I did check on heat maps to see where, where's the like
where's most people run and the road I end up running on was the
highest. Traffic in foot?
If someone can show us good runs through a wine region, I'd love
to know. I'm going to give, and I don't
know the names, there's a park run up on the Sunshine Coast out
that, well, it's probably in between the Sunshine Coast and
Brisbane. That is on a winery.
Park Run Winery, Brisbane I went out to the winery, not to run.
At ceremony so. Sorry, I forgot about ceremony.
No, this one's not on ceremony, but ceremony has one as.
Well, as a park run, yeah. Fantastic.
Spices Retreat, Hidden Vale Park Run, maybe Ocean View Park.
No hidden Vale? There's one each week as well.
Two Rivers Winery, Park Run. Might be two rivers.
This one is up up Mount Cotton. They're Mount Cotton ceremony.
Where's this other one? This one Someone will know what
where where this is. It's kind of like out north side
of Brisbane on the way to the sunny coast out in the in the
hills. Anyway, I went out there for
lunch one day and there's like just park run signs everywhere
and it looked like I looked at it and thought I could run an
event here. Yeah, right.
Straight away I was like, this is this is a place where you
could come up with some type of event.
You sat on the you sat on the you know where you have lunch in
the brewery or whatever it is Winery looked out over the the
fields and you could see the hills and we.
Maybe that maybe this is the first in the beginning run we do
it, we find. It as they do it there every
Sunday. They won't do it as well as us.
Like, here's what I'm thinking. You figure out the course, you
do a lot of the event stuff. I'll come up with a funny name.
Sounds like a sounds like a fair exchange, Liam.
I'm just putting our our various respective strengths to work.
But anyway. It is a call.
Does anyone know of wineries or in those regions so they do run
tours or something or give you access to run?
OK, hold on. Is this it?
What's this? Oh, this is exciting.
The greatest 5K run. What is this at?
The greatest 5K run at the Overflow Estate in Beaudesert.
Queensland. No, that's not where I'm
thinking. Beaudesert's West.
I know, but what the greatest 5K run?
I don't know if it's been on for a while but that looks fun.
Centaur outdoor events.com dot AU.
He wouldn't. Want to be there?
I want to go in. Summer.
Wait, what? What's the?
No, it hasn't been held for a while.
Oh the next 2024. They had held an event in 2024
in the Hunter Valley. They did.
They did what Winery doesn't say.
Doesn't say. Yeah, Oh, there's someone's got
the idea. I.
Thought there was a real gap in the market?
Well. I don't know how many runners
get, but like, it is a highly populated spot for tourism.
Yeah. A highly populated spot for
company off sites. Yeah, going in, lots of people
staying. Think of one of the wineries
when you know what $10 entry run our trails from six to seven
each morning. Little chill.
Am I asking too much? Little.
Chilled Rose Oh, you mean no, I think it's a great idea.
We've talked about this because there's been that event over in
Scotland or thereabouts where you run through and you have,
yes, there's. The private party, yes.
No, no, no, no, no, no. That's.
Not asking to do the wine, I mean you can.
Do you just want to? Access.
I just want, I just want some access.
I'm calling for some access in the Hunter Valley to go and run
off the road. Open your gates.
There was a National Park. People are going to go Courtney.
There's a National Park that you can run in.
I agree there was. It's got fire roads.
I saw there's a mountain bike track there where I was staying.
I would have had to travel around the back of the National
Park, which was too far to be able to get there because the
rest of the access was all private property.
There's my little bit of wine. For them all.
See what you did? All right, there you go in the
beginning for your weekend. To anybody that finished the
Melbourne Marathon, we'd still love to hear of your personal
experiences and more importantly, as we look forward
Noosa, we are two weeks out at time of recording from 2 weeks,
2 weeks, first weekend in November, 2 weeks out from the
Noosa Triathlon. Wow.
There's some some first timers been having, you know, writing
and saying thanks for the help and that, you know, Dan's
obviously really resonated with him.
But the Clydesdale 1 True Cloud stars love a bit of controversy.
Enjoy the weekend, we'll see you next week.