Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott and I'm Jack and we just watched episode of The Real
Housewives of Orange County. Part 1 of the Season 19 reunion.
Yes, I realize I should have. Usually I try to say that in my
little intro, but I'm just not on my game today.
Woom woom, it's been a long day. It's been it's been a long day.
It's a long week. It has been and I'm I'm glad
that it is over. Tomorrow's Friday when you get
to enjoy the weekend. By being busy and.
Like, hey, we're in high demand. It's nice, nice to have friends
that want to be around you. Yes.
So it's a very good thing. Anything on the Bravo con front?
We we got we got our day 2 and day three.
So I've come to terms, you know, I've gone through the stages of
grief with the Kyle and Eric of it all with the photo OPS,
right? But yeah, we're we'll be fine.
We also realize, so we have VIP, we might have mentioned that
we're not bragging. We just, you know, paid stupid
money. So here we are with VIP.
But a lot of people who are general admission really got
screwed with photo OPS and didn't get any.
So I feel bad the other day, like whining about like, oh, I
didn't get so and so. But and also I have the
opportunity to see people in the VIP lounge, which they don't.
So it's the system is not. It's not perfect.
It's not perfect, but yes, we have basically our day one is
Tamara and Katie back there, We'll see Ariana and Riley, and
then day 2, Melissa and Joe, Gorga and Heather and Whitney.
And then day three finally got Kyle with Kathy and Portia.
Yeah, not Kyle's daughter. Daughter Portia.
Portia. Portia Williams Yes, I am glad
you could recount all that because if you had just put a
gun to my head and asked me what are our photo OPS, I would have
been like Kyle and Kathy. I would not have.
Been sitting here, Kathy Voice, yeah.
I would have been, I don't know. So yeah, thank you for having a
good memory. Yeah, it's 1/2 of a marriage
needs to have one because I'm going to be getting gradually
worse as we get older. Do some exercise, we both keys,
I mean do some sudoku, I don't know so.
You're always trying to get me to exercise.
Just pick my brain or my body. Mind both.
Both. I just want, I just want to free
my mind. Well, the rest will follow.
Don't be so shallow. This is the color blind.
Don't be so tough. Trust, I had that.
I know that I know he knows. It all the time, the funky
Divas. So yeah, so yes, we're think
we're going to place, you know, it's we should remember the fun
of it all. And, you know, even if people
were in a Bravo con group and a lot of people are saying, you
know, look, you may not have gotten any photo OPS or the ones
you wanted, but there's so many opportunities even beyond the
VIP, right? Two people, the bizarre, you
know, like just randomly just walking around.
And really for people who aren't going to Bravo Con and feel like
they're missing out, one, you kind of are.
But two, at the end of the day, you're really, it's really,
really not like. Especially when they're playing
the panels on Peacock well. Yeah, but even there, when
you're there, like the one thing that was really cool for me when
we went last time was just like that.
The moment we're like, wow, that's actually them in real
life. But then after seeing like your
8th or 9th Bravo liberty, you're like, oh, that that's them in
real life. They're just people who happen
to this is their job. You know, well, yeah, it's like
when we ran into Angie and it's like, Oh yeah, it's Angie.
She's running across the bizarre floor in her heels, you know?
And she's like, oh, hi guys, so nice.
Got to fight in Angie. So no.
So it's it's nice, it's nice to see them as regular people.
It kind of does help in one regard when watching the show to
realize like this is reality show.
But at the same time, it does also kind of cement the fact
that the show is produced and, you know, that they are just
regular people and that, you know, the production puts them
into these extraordinary circumstance and circumstances.
So yeah, it's it's definitely Bravo Con's worth going.
But I I'm trying to remember that like just to stop and
breathe. And in a group chat today,
people were Eric was clearly drunk at the airport, but he was
texting about my tattoo, which says there is time.
And he's like, it's he's like I he's like, I use it all the
time. Like I'd remind people all the
time, there is time, don't worry about it.
And. They're gonna make a comment
about like he was at the airport and he was delayed or something.
No, but that's another thing we need to worry about with Bravo
Con with their airports reducing their flights.
But I imagine like that's going to fall eventually.
You know, the airports need to tell that to the airlines and
the airlines need to go ahead and figure out which flights
they're cutting. So before we even get on the,
you know, go to the airport, we should know what to.
Expect for sure, yeah. We're not going to like walk in
and be like, sorry, no, no, no tickets to Bravo Con.
Yes. So, yeah.
And because we're not going to drive, well, we would if we had
too old, but that's it's a long ass drive.
And long ass, Yeah, I've done it once.
Because we're not taking a new car.
We would take, we would end up taking a new car.
So. Anyway, but the reunion episode
1. I think it was a good start.
Certain things amused me. Certain things frustrated me.
You've come a long way on that already because you did not want
to watch this. Yeah.
In the car, you're like, I don't even want to watch this.
It's. Not like clips I'd seen earlier
in the week. I was like, I feel like certain
people were not going to take accountability.
Certain people were going to skate by and others would be
blamed for everything, you know? So far it seemed that's true,
that Jen is just going to try and skate by in all of this.
I hope in the episode 2 when Matt comes out, he raring to go,
that I hope that something sticks because she can't rely on
this pretended amnesia, as Teddy would say about Erica.
Right. Like you gotta, like you said,
these things own up to it. I didn't call you a Connor as
well. Actually, you did, Yeah.
So everything just seems to be like, I don't remember.
I don't remember, you know, it's just like bringing me.
Like. Yeah, girl, who else she was to
bring into it? There was, I feel like there's a
meeting to like, for sure, of course, among certain people,
certain factions, because they were like really prepared to
defend one another. Well, OK, I know we're jumping
ahead, but when Gretchen comes out on stage finally, the amount
of ass kissing that they were. God, you're so.
You're so beautiful. Oh my, I can't believe it.
Elsa, you could be a model. Yeah, I was just like it.
Was a drag race, but. Oh, was it?
You look like Linda Vandalist. Oh, right.
Yeah, it was just a little too like.
Like like I love how you dress Heather Dubrow.
You do not like how this tacky chick dress.
You would never choose these things like.
But I mean, stop it. She has this point of view and
da da da da. I'm like, oh, whatever.
Like I love it for you, right? Yeah, love this tacky shit for
you. I mean, I did like the least in
regard to the way Gretchen dresses Emily, which is like, I
find it entertaining. It's like, not the best
compliment, but at least she's being real about.
It I'm entertained by this, Yeah.
House on the Prairie look you got going on.
I'm entertained by this whole costume thing that you're doing
so. Just like I'm entertained about
Slade being on the board for the Liberace Foundation.
Yeah, what's the absolute? She at least explained how it
worked and Andy was like, okay. I think see some receipts about
that. Yeah, that was, but also it's so
random. How can you lie about that?
Right, so backing up, I did enjoy the way that Andy said
hello to all the ladies was starting with the outside of the
couch with Shannon. At the end of the cow.
Right. And then and then moved over
ignoring Katie and went to Heather and then moved over to
who is next. Emily.
Yeah, Emily and then over to Gina and then finally, and then
I think before Jen, it was back to Katie.
I was like, that's kind of shady, like just go with the
ends. But I guess it makes some.
Sort of symmetry. And it's never like, you know,
like boom boom, boom. It's like, no, it was so so it.
Was just, it was just it was noticeable that like, OK, I'm
just to ignore Katie even though she's on the other end of that
couch, but they got her. To feel very, I don't know if it
was a put on, I would hope not. He seemed to feel very warmly
towards Katie. And, you know, when at the end
of her segment when he said, you know, is there a way?
Is there a path forward? And she said, I hope so.
And he's like, I hope so too because I think he realizes 1.
And also he pointed out the audience supported her very
much. So at the lie detector test for
him to point that out, he says something.
Yeah, I agree. So I understand that fans have a
very strong point of view on. Her I'm I so the Katie of it
all, I dressed the same way. Like he he even went through and
so far or they some went through and was saying like she said a
lot in her confessionals, but she never really said things to
the women. And it's like, I do wish that
she would have been more. And even Katie was like, yeah, I
wish I had been a little more vocal, too.
But like, even in that moment, and I'm forgetting my point
right now. He, you know, he seems to be
giving her all the opportunities in the world, though.
Is there any way forward? She should have been like, don't
ask me. Ask these crazy ladies.
Right. I would have kept filming.
Yeah, like it wasn't my choice. They pushed me out and so I
didn't have anywhere to go. Yeah, literally, they told me.
They told her that she could not go to Amsterdam.
Yeah, you know, she shouldn't, could not go here and not go
there. That would have been the time
for her to be like, I would love to have been filming, but these
heifers. And with Yes and when Tamra did
film with her, Emily like lost her mind.
Like how dare you betray me? I bet she's pissed about that.
With Tamara, I bet that's going to come out.
I'm sure it will. The thing is, you know, yes,
it's about them moving forward with her.
She is willing. She was willing to come and
like, you know, be thrown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm do.
Right under that bus numerous. Times there's a dance on the hot
coals. But like, I don't think she was
running away. Could she have handled things
differently? For sure.
And she's. Not a rookie mistakes for first
and second season. And I think she's, you know,
apologized for it. I don't think she was malicious
in it. I don't understand Emily's point
of view of like, have the ball say it to my face.
I mean, what are you trying to say?
I mean, she's trying to say that she exactly what Emily did say
is that she felt that Katie was using all these bloggers, for
lack of better term, to fight her battles, which I don't think
that's what was happening. I mean, unless, unless Katie
really thought she was going to be slick about it and be like,
you know, I'm just putting this out there and then we can talk
about it. And I then I don't get the blood
on my hands, which could be. I think like, let's go back.
I think Katie, she messed up with the whole Heather thing and
like, hang your hat on that and the paparazzi stuff.
And from then on, people weren't trusting of her.
And then so she was like, well, these bloggers, they want to be
my friend. They want to talk to me.
They care about my point of view.
And then she you know, or like, I'm just being gossipy about the
whole Emily Heather babysitting debacle.
So, you know, I'm just going to go with that.
I don't think it was I want to get at Emily for because trust
she had reasons to get at Emily after that reunion thing, which
Emily, yes, apologized for last year's reunion.
But really it was like, but I was trying to prove this.
It doesn't matter what you were trying to prove.
You were focusing on the fact that this woman was in a
homeless shelter because that's the only place she had to go to
and that she lost physical and legal custody of her kids, which
is a very embarrassing, horrible time in her life to prove a
point. What?
There's no point worth that. If we're saying kids are off
limits, don't talk about my kids.
Don't talk about her kids being away from their mother.
Yeah, and she's trying, Emily was trying to make the
differentiation that like, you know your kids, I wasn't know
what your kids are talking about you and like your circumstances.
It's like, yeah, but that is directly wrapped in and what
happened to her kids. Subsex is I'm a bad mother
except right happen. And then ultimately see, I think
had if Katie had come with the energy of like, why do I have to
prove myself to you? Like with so many things, I
think that would have been. Right.
It's the final line between like taking accountability and
apologizing, but also being I'm not a doormat.
I'm not going to sit here and let you like.
And Emily so fucking condescending, like just so
condescending with like, well, Katie, if you had done this.
Well, Emily, if you had done that, yeah, yeah, like, it's.
And for you to be surprised that people would think that you
rigged the test. Look at your behavior, right?
Look at your choices. Of course.
Look at how you were cackling with Gina about like we're going
to get her like you wanted to out this girl.
You do not like this girl for whatever reason, and it's bad
optics. And yes, she might have lied
about things. Yes, she might have been shady
talking to bloggers, but you are being a straight up asshole and
the way you handled and reacted to her shows a lot about you and
your character Emily and like just the meaningless woman and
making her feel like shit. And the audience isn't buying it
and they're turning on you, right?
So realize that and take accountability for that and look
at your action and yourself in the mirror.
And to think that we reached out to Emily's people to try to get
her on this nest. My how quickly things change.
Invitation rescinded. No, we'll still have any
housewife on here except Teresa. I will talk to Teresa.
I would, I would talk. To we have to have a moment, if
it happens, to take a picture of Teresa for our friend Tony.
Yes, if we can you. Can't be there.
We will be his surrogates and like, we will be like our friend
Tony loved you gonna get a picture.
You might even like maybe FaceTime him.
Oh God, maybe. Maybe I would, Emily.
Rod up. Sorry.
You did. You did.
You need some water? Yeah.
I think Katie's trying. And I think that's the problem
is the first half the season, Katie came in trying to be
humble and trying to not throw herself at the women's mercy,
but just to be like, I know I screwed up.
And I think that went so far. Only so far.
And I think had she switched gears and been more assertive
and more insistent instead of just saying, like, throwing her
hands up and like, well, I can't convince you guys.
And I think that's kind of what's going on in this first
episode of the reunion is she's just being like, you're right,
you know, But she's not standing up for herself as far as I
think. She went back at Emily when she
like brought Jen, tried to hold her feet to the fire.
I think it'll be much more interaction next episode.
I think she'll definitely come and Gretchen be like, no, you
said these things. I think Matt will be there.
That's why Matt's there to say no Slade, I have proof of
everything you know, the Slade has said to me about, you know,
2 on the line, this whole thing. Correction.
Hearing her well, we checked our phone records.
It's like. I spent thousands of dollars on
the cyber. So I kind of First off, my note,
Shannon needs to her hairline and her makeup needs to be
blended better. I used to.
Start with the positives. I used to date a girl who didn't
ever blended in her makeup around her chin line.
Like her cheeks and everything. It was awful.
Let's start with I used to date
a girl. But no, so I've always been
really sensitive to it and the fact that like we would always I
wouldn't, but a lot of our mutual friends whenever like she
would walk in the room and you she had like a visible line.
They would just we'd started doing doing this, rubbing our
cheeks like this. Like look at her chin line.
You know you were 422, No 20. One say like 12 Oh.
No, no, no, like. You're dating girls at 22.
I came out when I was 22, so I dated her probably up until I
was maybe 20, maybe a little bit until I was 21.
I gotta say, aside from 2 prom dates, everyone I've dated girl.
Well, this is the girl that when we were 20, we weren't yet
legal. We went to Reno and we got a
room with a silver legacy, and she was thinking, all right.
Right, right, right, right. We're.
Gonna get lucky. And then we had we had champagne
brought to the room and I had to pretend to be sick so I wouldn't
have to have sex with her. It was fantastic.
Stay true to yourselves everyone.
Live your most authentic life. How we missed national coming
out. There it's sometime in October.
So yeah, I think we did. So, Shannon, look.
Let's start with the positive. Shannon's very, very beautiful.
Like she like she is. Yeah.
That is not a flattering hairstyle.
It's the hairstyle you wear when you're putting on your makeup to
get your hair out of your way. Right.
And then you leave it and you're like, oh, this is a little like
toddler. Yeah.
I think someone said this is like going to Sunday school.
Yeah, it's a little bit. It's just, it's just not.
I don't understand why she would do that and what hair person
thought that was a good idea? Yeah.
And then I also feel like they could have, and I'm trying to
walk delicately here. I think they could have done
something better about her nose, like the makeup around her nose.
It was very shadowy. It just yeah, what she was
because she was mainly in profile, right?
And knowing that, I think that they could have done something
to soften that. And maybe they did.
I mean, maybe this is the best they could have done, but it was
like, oh. OK.
And compared to last year, which I didn't love that dress, but it
was a much better dress and the hair was much better and it felt
like it was just a better moment than what she's serving here.
Right. I mean, if she is making the
transition into being daughtery old being like I'm kooky and I
can't do things, you know, And then she's she's succeeding.
It's just she likes that 60 silhouette.
Like someone told her one day that that was good and she just
like. Went with it.
Or but quickly going through. Yeah.
Don't love Shannon's look? Oh, but before we get off,
Shannon. Oh, I was going to say
something. Oh, never mind.
I can't remember what it was. Go ahead.
Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's fine.
It'll if we have plenty of time. Yes.
So we're going through our looks.
Yes, Don't love Shannon, Emily, the hair is too heavy.
Oh, way too heavy. I like the dress.
I like that gold thing on the dress and the hair is too heavy.
Like she's just worn her like her natural hair.
Her natural hair, like what she had in all her Yeah, in the Wife
Swap, her hair was perfect. Yes, or even like her
confessional hair, the extensions that don't look like
extensions, right? Understand what?
She's it's just made it look like too Jessica Rabbity, like
it was like too. Pageanty.
Yeah, like it like her head and with the hair especially just
fills the entire. Frame.
It was like old school, like 1980s Alabama, like pageant
queen. Yeah, I can say.
She needed like a little tiny crown that you need to put pins
in. I think it's unfortunate that
they never showed any of the really standing up.
Like they were all just sitting down from the beginning.
Like they got up here and there, but like we never really got to
see many of them moving. Whereas like, you know, all the
other reunions we've had lately, everyone's like backstage coming
to this stage. Right.
Oh yeah, Miami. They were like doing jumping
jacks. So not being able to see, only
seeing them sitting on the couch was a little bit much.
Because Heather Dubrow and her $49.00 Amazon dress.
For a little plain Jane, that is not a reading dress.
When she started complaining about it being hot, I wanted to
be like, it's probably all that polyester you're wearing, lady
so. Is anyone else hot?
No, we're wearing expensive fabrics.
Right, We're wearing stuff that breathes so, but.
Think about that next time. Bro, I like the shoes.
She's like, am I the only one with, you know, hot flashes?
Like I guess so. You're gonna get into Beverly
Hills and that dress girl. Yeah, and then Gina, who I
thought looked amazing in the photos we saw, looked rather.
Plain sitting there standing up. I agree, yes, very much so.
Terra Rose is just fine. I like the colour, which is
fine. And then Jen is just safe,
right? Her slips were very shiny.
Very, very. Yeah.
You can see your reflection for her lips, very shiny Katie's.
Katie's dress. Freaking smoke show.
Like just gorgeous upon gorgeous.
I can't wait to see her in person because I know I'm going
to be blown away how pretty she is.
I was just amazed. Like from head to toe, like it's
just amazing. Yeah.
And then when they bring, when they bring out Gretchen and
everyone's like, oh, she's wearing pink.
Oh, she and Tamara are wearing pink.
Do you notice that? It's like, yeah, like you said,
there's a color. Theme you know it was also
wearing pink Katie yeah I think he would ignore her Emily, but
Shannon but she exists them. Yeah, I do have to say that
having Heather and Gina wearing similar tones right next to each
other makes it a little, like, uninteresting to watch.
We'll also see like the whole red couch until Gretchen gets
out there, right? Why do they not mix up the
colours? Yeah, like we're finally going
for the theme, but we're not positioning people in the right
way, right, To like, really showcase the theme well.
Right. And of course the theme, which
we didn't realize cuz one Andy didn't tell us like he does all
the time. Amsterdam that's we're in.
Amsterdam, yeah. I was like, why is this?
Oh, we're in Amsterdam, Yeah. Yeah.
So maybe that means there's really lots of stuff to cover
that we're not getting this fillard of like notice ladies,
we're in Amsterdam, right, You know, So that'll be good.
Yes. So we're done.
I was talking about Shannon. Shannon I.
I'm wondering if, I mean, I don't, is she giving up?
Is she just like, oh whatever, this is who I am?
She's not giving up. I will say.
Everyone's gonna say she's being a mean girl, but I.
I'm. I'm a horrible person.
I'm sorry. I'm living for Tamara.
Just being like, shut up. I was going to say as well also
because it's just, it's so like Shannon doesn't know what to do
with it. She's like, what?
You can't talk to me like that? And it's like what?
I am talking to you like that. There's no director saying cut,
I can't talk to her like that and just let it go.
And like Tamara's mocking her, which it's not fun.
She doesn't need to do that. So I'm going to shut up and
being like, you're at the end of the couch, stay there like.
Yeah, it's. So petty and so small, and I
like it. Yeah, people aren't aren't going
to be very nice to Tam. Oh.
No, it's fine. So it's fine.
Came for Queen Shannon. Queen of what's not Sheba?
I mean, Shannon explained. I mean, I thought it was good
and I thought it was a stick where Tamara said, well, you
recorded someone too. And.
Tamara and Shannon's like, we're not going to talk.
It's like, first of all, Tamara, someone took some good notes for
her because she was ready back in 20 and 15.
He told Bronwyn, Bronwyn of all people, that you had alcoholism
in your family. And Shannon was like, I don't
know what to do with that, but it's.
I wonder if Teddy Walters did some research for her and.
I think it's more to say like just Tamara's assistant.
No, probably like. Look to the archives AKA Peacock
or just when I read it and like file or googled what's an
instance When Shannon wrote and the whole thing she recorded
Vicki because she wasn't know she was going to be safe with
her boyfriend. I was like.
Oh, and then I deleted it. I mean, I see that's the sort of
explanation though you need to have where it just like this is
what happened. This is what I'm telling you and
done. And like, I'm not going to
justify it with any more explanation.
Done. Because the whole like it gets
so murky with like Katie recording Shannon and and did
Gretchen. Sorry, I did Alexis hearing it's
just so muddy. It's very, very.
Well, and again, it's this bullshit of Jen not
acknowledging that. She has pretend them.
It's so irritating. I don't know you're talking
about you're bringing me into this me.
She was like a man, like she clutched her pearls.
And I'm like, you can't afford any.
No, stop. Sorry, I'm horrible.
I'm horrible tonight. Next next week though.
Next week, I think we're running Jensen.
You're right, Jens, get some more.
Holding our feet to the fire. Yeah, hopefully.
She's kind of Teflon this season because she was erring on the
side of I'm holding, and rightfully so, sometimes holding
Tamara to the fire and like, no, you said these horrible things,
do better. The thing is about this, and I'm
of course very team Tamra. Yes, you need to do better.
You're acknowledging the problem, but now you need to fix
the problem. So when we talk about therapy,
it's still a process to say that it's still a process.
I'm going to slide back. I'm sorry.
I will apologize when I go off the rails, but you just can't be
like I'm, I'm doing it. It's like you gotta make some
headway. Well, I mean, that's what Andy
was talking about when it's like, you know.
Proving my point over again. What I wasn't liking about Tamra
in this particular instance is that she kept doing this, well,
like, like, name it. She was like doing.
She was. She was like, well, like, what
did I say? And it's like, First off, I am
just driven nuts by people who expect me to have to have
encyclopedic knowledge of your behavior.
Yeah. It's not my job to remember
everything You did. If you did something that pissed
me off, I can tell you a couple things, but it's not up to me to
like, prove to you you've been an ass, right?
And I guess. That was not good.
Yeah, no. It wasn't.
And so that was bothering me that she like what?
And she did it multiple times and it's like she even did it to
Andy and it's like. Like what?
Give me an. Example, it's like, girl, I
could, I could have production do that for you.
You want to wait. Or tape.
Yeah, it's like that's what he should have done.
Is like, let's take a break and then we'll come back and then
I'll tell you what it's. In footage.
So. Cameras best of yeah.
A little bit much. And then even he, you know, was
like, well, you just proved our points.
Like you just slung mud right over there after saying like,
you don't sling old mud, right? You're not.
The thing is, yeah. You can't combat Gretchen
slinging old mud by slinging your own old mud.
You have to be like, why are you doing this Gretchen, It was 18
years ago. And leave it at that.
Don't say, don't go tit for tat with her.
I was very pleased. When the question was asked, how
does what Gretchen Tamara said about Slade, how did that
prevent from getting a job? And again, that's one of those
frustrating reunion questions that doesn't ever really get
answered. Like Gretchen was just kind of
like shrugged it off. But she's made such a huge deal
about that's Tamara's the reason.
And I'm just like, oh, see, that's the sort of thing I want.
I want them to just release all the footage so I can see them
arguing or maybe they get into it so that way we can see what
the real like is. No one in their right mind can
say that Tamara Judge prevented Slade from having a job and when
she made the point. Was it?
It wasn't because he got arrested, which I don't even
recall that 'cause I don't write tabs on Slate smiley, but also
same Slate. Smiley.
Like must we guy? Smiley.
It just writes itself. The the the nickname, yeah.
And see there see. Tamara would have been better
off just by not even bringing that up because it just seems so
petty. And you know, it's I'm starting
to feel like I don't know, 5050 on this Gretchen or Shannon
keeps accusing Gretchen of like plotting all these things to
like coming in hot on the season, which I just firmly
believe Gretchen did come in. Yes, yes, but for sure.
And more and more, it's like it seems Tamara was ready to
address it and was going to do it whether Gretchen did it or
not. But it was reactionary it.
Wasn't, you know, it wasn't at that hot pot meal, It wasn't.
Gretchen sat down. Tamara said.
You right. Right, tried to get my.
Daughter turned against me and da da da da like she it just so
had Gretchen come. In clean, that's what.
Everyone has said about Gretchen, you had the audience,
God knows why the audience support behind you because
people hate Tamara and they wanted to know against her
whatever. And instead of, like, just
standing there and letting Tamara, you know, tie her own
rope. Right you that you came.
Up with all this old shit that no one cares about and you just
made it seem that you were stuck in the past and you were coming
for her. Yeah.
You know when you say things like I.
There's so many things I can say about you, but I've kept my
mouth shut. OK, one, you haven't kept your
mouth shut 2 elaborate, please. Right.
So they both proved their own points about how they, you know,
aren't willing to move forward. But I honestly do think that
they had Gretchen just stuck with what happened to the beach.
You know, we're going to move forward.
We're only going to be besties where it's going to like just
try to be fine and coexist. But she slid back very easily.
As much as she says like, I didn't have that intention.
Perhaps you didn't, but you had that in your pocket, ready to
throw out the fact that she allegedly slept with that dude
in the studio. And then Slade just was ready to
go too. You both are sitting on ready to
attack Tamara. So you you're you're equally
guilty. I like how Gretchen was.
Was like, I didn't mean to do that.
And then Heather was quickly quick to be like, no, no, that
was. And then Tamara was like, the
hell it wasn't. Yeah, the bullshit, but.
See, I would have. I would have.
Again, I think Tamara would have been better off not having
brought up. She did that 12 years ago at
Vicky's or during that one party or whatever.
If she kissed, there's so many things she could have pointed
towards of like, and maybe she didn't analyze it the way that
the rest of us have, but like she could have really pointed
towards the fact that you brought this up and then, you
know, Slade was so willing to jump on it with you.
And like it seemed to be, she could have said like, let's
watch the. Entire season and see how many
times you bring up things. Let's go to that one
professional when you have a list ready.
Yeah, like no one said, please make a list.
You had that ready, like from Got years ago, right?
Right. All the things that Tamra has
done that makes you a better person than her?
I don't know. I think a producer does.
That a producer. May have asked her.
Could you make a list? No, they were like.
No, she was sitting on Ready. She enslaved me and sitting on
Ready. And yeah, yeah, I.
It's not a good, not a good. It's not a good luck.
We skipped over Katie and Gina kind of talking about stuff.
I like that, Gina. Realized I'm not going to go
down this road of trying to prove I'm not a racist.
I just need to say if I was problematic, I'm sorry that made
you feel that. Although I think it was funny
when she said I'm sorry I triggered A trauma and she was
like, you didn't trigger a trauma.
You're not that important, you know you.
Just I thought it was. Problematic.
There's problematic and there's trauma.
You were just problematic and you made me feel a certain kind
of way. I wish you'd gone into more
detail about the fact that they were just because it was YSL or
whoever. It's the person who's currently
the creative director for that line.
It's all connected that she was wearing Asian connected designs,
Right, Right. So, yeah, yeah.
But. Right, but Gina was very quick
to fall on that sword, and it's good for her.
No, I think so. You would have looked.
Like a problematic white woman. Had you not, although she did
the? Thing that I hate the most,
which is iffing an apology right, it's just been.
Like I was, but I don't think she thinks she's wrong.
And I think Emily is saying to her, you weren't wrong.
You weren't. And I like the that even Katie
said I'm not calling you the R word, which I was.
I was like the. R word like the one that we're
not supposed to say no, the other one?
Oh, the other one. Yes, I'm not trying to say.
That and she's like I'm yeah they both were very clear in
their attention so I don't I mean the apology was might have
just been said to be said yeah but at.
Least she said it. And she was smart to do that,
Yeah, but. Again, Tamara was apologizing to
about things. I'm sorry that I said that.
And it doesn't mean a lot of this crap doesn't mean stuff.
It's, well, even the Emily. Was like, I'm sorry if I, you
know, made you feel certain in that way.
So I'm looking forward to more of like Tamara versus Emily like
that. Little moment.
In the preview she talks about You're not on my show and.
You're on my network, Yeah, or whatever.
Yeah, you are. Because when you weren't with
tanked. And Legally Blonde is on their.
Network, it's under their umbrella.
We look ahead, We look for now I.
Think that'd be very petty? If she kicked her off the
network, I mean that. Unnecessary, but I wonder if
that's also why like that was the weak moment too, was when
Tamara started to come for Emily, like tried to make a
thing between Emily in this episode and didn't really
materialize because Tamara couldn't think of exactly what
Emily had said throughout the season.
More so like you were shady and you're.
Confessional. Oh yeah, that's what we're.
All supposed to be. But yeah, I mean, we, we noticed
it that Emily was definitely like being buddy buddy with
Gretchen and and Heather and like saying some really, I think
bold things about Tamra and like Tamra not being a good friend,
not beyond the whole. I don't trust her.
There was other things that she said which I thought was
surprising because I thought because of their connection with
the podcast and I've been pointing it out.
Yeah. That that was strange.
So. It's, it'll be interesting to
hear what's come of that. It's also interesting because,
and I don't know, maybe it's because it's part of the season
or whatever, but that's the sort of thing that you'd expect to
have heard on 2TS and we haven't, well, because Tamara
doesn't. Talk about the show, about
anything with OC. That's true.
Yeah. Just to remove any questions
about it. Yeah, I think it will be up to.
Teddy and Erica to speculate what that was about.
We should. Ask them to speculate.
Yes, I. Would I'd like to know more.
About that, just because it was weird, especially it was weird
that Emily was filling in so much on the two TS and then just
did not. So it's like, well, and no, she
doesn't. Fill down for two on two TS and
quite some time. I know, but that's what I mean.
Is like they. Well, because, but no.
But she branched. Off like they were, she was very
much in the family, like she and Teddy had that pop culture show
right? That went away and then they
kept her on with legally brunette.
So she's very much still a part for now of the I'm just saying,
I'm saying. You're saying that things went
away. I'm just saying, well, remember,
they went away for a reason, that's all.
Oh, no, I don't think so. I.
Mean the pop culture show is kind of wack.
It was. I didn't enjoy it very.
Much it works better to have. Teddy and they found the right
mix with Teddy and Erica. They tried with Teddy and Alexia
and they tried with Teddy and Emily.
I think it just worked. Teddy and Eric, because they're
actually friends. Yeah.
So I forgot about Alexia. She always sounded like she's in
the middle of a Oh my gosh tunnel.
On those OC recaps when she was just like, it wasn't good.
No, it was not. It was not.
Good. So sorry we really derailed into
two teas in the pod, iHeartRadio and discover prior audition for
iheart. I mean, we'd be so.
Lucky, you know, we're the 199th ranked after show podcast in the
in the US Give us a chance I mean.
Come on if. Only we can get our damn theme
song cleared. I mean hope.
I hope we don't wake up if I wake up tomorrow.
I'm going to have a problem with Spotify.
It's been an issue where? You know, even though we bought
rights to our theme song that it's been pulled by Spotify for
like rights via leave. Episodes.
Yeah it's 4 episodes now and if it happens for 1/5 and I've
already reached out to them and they're like nothing you can do
except keep appealing and I'm like well you expect me to
appeal every episode? It's so ridiculous.
Hello and how? The rights I don't know, I.
Did I listened? I know.
I wanted. To know the rest.
So I bought the rights. It was how?
Bizarre. So God, yeah, I mean, we might
be finding a new podcast host or provider or whatever because
Spotify is driving me nuts because it's also all of these
damn platforms all exist in the in the ether.
Like you can't talk to anyone real.
And even when you talk to someone real, I'm like, there's
99% chance this is an AI chat, told AI.
What do you need? Yeah, I'm like, oh, cannot.
No, it's not. Angie, I am an upstanding.
Oh my God, I got to be I. Am a pillar of the community,
yeah, so got to meet that. Anyway, did we get all the
women? I feel like we missed.
Certain things I mean, Heather really didn't have.
Anything. Jen didn't have anything.
Jen just sat there. Yeah, they talked about the
kids. Everyone did.
Oh, Emily's whole. Thing.
Oh yeah, that was I didn't quite totally.
I'll stem from strep. Yeah, I looked at it.
But I think it's, I want to say it's funny, but the fact that
there's a syndrome called PANDAS, I looked it up, It's
some neurological syndrome that comes about from strep or a
pneumococcal infection that is such a dark.
Like roads, yeah, that's a go down, but I mean reading.
Through the brief memo moments I did while we're watching the
show. I mean, it does describe
everything. She's describing that like, you
know, he was doing well and suddenly not and then very
sudden, yeah. Yeah, so interesting.
And it's, it's scary for sure, for sure.
But they talked about, they did the packet about everyone's
kids, including Jen Greens. Yeah.
And then that led into. Tamara and Sydney I would not
have. Brought that up because Cindy
doesn't like her to talk about her on her show I would have
said you know what we yes we recently reconnected and it was
great and not go into details right You know because she's
brought talked about this on the show on on on 2TS and I'm like I
just I would cherish these moments that you're making some
headway and just not discuss it so you continue to make headway
I I kind of want. Brittany's daughter to meet
Sydney Brittany. Yeah, and then they can.
They can come on the show together and then like read
their moms for filth be great. That's like a a.
A Bad Girls Trip mother daughter edition That's oh, that'd be
kind of cute. Though except Gia and Teresa
would be on it. No way.
No way around. Yeah, when Kim and.
Ariana. Oh, that'd be cute, yeah.
Be fun. Yeah.
Hey, Bravo. Are you listening?
No, they're not listening. That's the problem.
I know, bravo. Why?
Not bravo. Can you hear me, BB?
Can you hear me? You're funny.
All right, so then I think we've gone through everybody.
I feel like I. Always feel like we're
forgetting. Something we need to find a
better way. Really.
Do you much except? I'm quippy, that's what she
does. I'm in a cheap.
Dress and I'm quippy, you said she was starting to look a
little. Witchy not on camera.
Well, you did. It was the.
It's the. The hair color, it's the, it's
the angle I think as well it was.
A little heavy on the. Yeah, it's the, it's the angle.
Because they're shooting her like straight on camera.
It's not like I threw you under the bus.
I just threw you at the bus. God.
But yeah, we we got to find a better way to end our podcast
because I feel like I'm like, not you.
I think you're spectacular with it.
I always feel like we're missing something.
And so I drag it on like a bad SNL skit.
I'm just like, let's keep going. Well, there's certain things.
Yeah, like we. Like after it's like we didn't
let's talk about this. But you know, I think we got
basically let's go down the list, let's to semi.
OK, we got through, you know, Katie interviews with everybody,
specifically Emily, you know, the the polygraph, Jen denying
everything. Oh yeah, the polygraph I think.
Was a bunch of bullshit that they didn't like lean into it
harder that like 1 like that. Those two people, even though
Andy was like they're the only ones that will be like on TV.
They're very unprofessional, those people, right?
Yes, and that. Like, I think Katie could have
stood up and said more and they could have made a much bigger
deal over the fact that, like, So what if she failed?
Like other people failed questions and, you know, like
they never brought up. Yeah.
Exactly about Heather in Beverly Hills and like they just made
this. Huge deal over how Katie failed
everything and it's like so the IT was very pointed.
Yeah, that they were like we this is all just other everyone
else just window dressing. The main event is to take down
Katie, right? Right.
You know. Oh, they didn't know.
The questions ahead of time, it's like, yeah, but you could
have just said anything that Katie says she lied about.
Yeah, you know, it was so. And it's like I didn't need to
take a. Do a take a test as you were
lying well, but you made this whole song and dance Emily
right? But you did.
You had it anyway. Bugs.
Bugs.
I still like her for some. Reason I don't know why I just
do no I. Just do.
Nope, she's lost my. Trust SO.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the Katie of it all.
We've got the Emily of it all. Shannon was just told to shut up
many times. She cries like I'm going to cry
this one time. Holding you to that Shannon,
holding you to that Tamara. That was sweet, what she said
about her father. Though oh for sure for.
Sure, although I mean. I don't know, I I does she have
siblings? I don't know.
She might you should have because she remember that.
She was saying they had to act on a normal family thing even
though their mom was about to file the papers.
So so that's. Sure, they love to hear the fact
that their father only lives to see Shannon.
Also, the part of it like, that's such a drama.
Like Sophie. But like.
Also, it could be like, like, couldn't that just be hyperbole?
Like Jeff, I'd I'd live to see you.
Like I'd live to come home. And well, also to your smiling.
Face, it's the same. It's like I'll.
Take a lie detector test. It's just the same whenever he
said you brought it up like, yeah, you.
Know as you know, Katie. Said I think I'll wear pink
today. Well, that started the theme
that we all do it. And Katie said she's going to
wear pink and here we are. Yeah.
Like weak sauce. Weak sauce.
No, I'm not denying that way Shannon is saying is valid.
I think just the way she says it.
Oh yeah, Her dramatics and her, you know, frustrations and you I
no for a fact. I don't know for a fact, but I
feel it in my gut that Shannon went to production because I can
see her being a person who goes to production and says I don't
feel comfortable with Katie. I don't want her to be on the
show anymore. Not that she was going to get
her kicked off, but I think it she thought voicing her opinion,
it's going to move something. It's going to shift something
and rallying the other girls. Obviously it it did something
because we didn't see Katie for the back half of the season, as
Annie pointed out. So you do have, you do have
strength if you say it enough times and if you get enough
people to do it. Because obviously production
isn't making you film with this girl and work it out because
this is the show we got. Yeah, so.
I wish the. Other thing that they would have
said, you know, people really rallied behind Katie and women.
How do you people, how people didn't rally behind you and
thought that you were being really horrible towards Katie?
Yeah, because that's the one does not exist without the
other, right, Right. So oh.
God well. You don't need to go through the
rest of the women. I think we've covered it all.
Yeah. I mean, like Gina.
Like she. Didn't really.
I'm sure she'll get out with Travis Vidal next episode.
Heather and her acting stuff and and the direction is she we
talked about. Yeah, we've talked about her.
But we'll talk about her more next week, I'm sure, and the
week after. So until next time, well, next
time.