Welcome to that episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jeff.
And we watch the episode of The Real Housewives of Orange
County. Sure did.
Should I say that differently? Do I normally say tonight and
what? I don't know.
It felt weird. It's been so long since we've
done an episode. It's weird, like having
everything on Thursday. I know we say this every
Thursday, but it's a constant day.
Yeah, I need my housewives spread out more than one day a
week. Yeah, well, we came out, you
know, found, went to this mop in October, but.
But still, yes, yeah, no, also like I feel even though it's
been a while since we've done an episode, it I've been chock full
of like housewives drama and everything with Katie being all
over the the podcast, not the blogs.
She's not going on bloggers, she's going on podcast.
She's not going on blogs because it's not 2014 and there are no
there are on blogs. There are blogs but like these
are content creators. She's over there talking to
Michael Kay on D listed, that's what's.
Michael Kay. So she sucks.
Yeah, so like pink is the new black?
Yeah, it's been a long week. Catch y'all up on our lives.
I went to my high school and we went to my school and it was a
lot of fun. I wish I had some juicy like, Oh
my God, I can't believe so and so looked like such and such.
But no, it was a good time. It was.
There was no drama. It's like, you know, I was
saying to you, it's interesting, you know, you've known these
people and kept in touch with many of them for 30 plus years.
Even before that you knew them since the 6th grade.
So the fact that you're still friends with them and wants to
gather it wasn't everyone from your class, but it was a a
significant portion should have been wanted to like, you know,
come and see people and like flew in from other States and,
you know, just something that I don't have because I don't care
to reunite with anybody that I don't like keep in touch with,
you know, via Facebook or whatever, you know, or see them
in person from time to time. I don't need to go to reunion,
but going to yours was like super fun and everyone was so
nice and like you would introduce me like with my
husband Jeff, they'd be like, I know Facebook.
I'm like, oh. Social media is doing its job,
even. Though we don't really post that
much. No, not not these.
Days. No, like, like five years ago we
were. Yeah.
Like, you know, I. Would say three years ago we
were even less than. Yeah, it's really couple years.
We've got more on Instagram I feel like.
Yeah, it's pretty. But we still check in the
movies. On.
That's true. That's true.
We still check in, you know, with post brunch and everything
and that sort of stuff. Like a lot of, you know, cat
stuff, but it was like we're doing like, you know, our meal.
Like, no, yeah, he was meals, but yeah, whatever.
But now we just cook the same thing over and over again.
Lunch like. Most iron couples exactly the
little. Pork Pork loomaine.
Tonight was pretty good. It was life, it was quite
lifeful, so good. We should get meal line to
sponsor us. Right.
Meal Line is a great app that we've been using since 2019.
This is now the infomercial part of it, yes.
And either not being spice is not paid, we're not.
If you need a good meal planning thing it meal line's great.
Basically, we did it because when we moved in together, we're
like, what are we going to make for dinner?
I think we should back up and be like when we moved in together,
neither of us truly cooked like we, like you, would make food.
And I would make This is my this would be my meal meals.
On Sunday. I would make a meal either like
chicken or steak or pork chops and enough to last me 3 days.
The other two days I would do spaghetti and then there'd be
one day I'd do like a frozen meal.
And then on Saturdays, which is my crazy day, I would have hot
dogs and French fries that I would like make.
I would like, you know, bake French fries and boil hot dogs.
It was a very simple single life.
And you know, I just, I went with dinner.
I was like, I don't know what to do because like I bake chicken
on Sundays for I don't know what to make for you.
I make these. It was always drumsticks.
Never breasts, never thighs, Always drumsticks.
I don't know. I don't know how you make
chicken on the bone like that. I fucking can't stand.
It but it was like I it was my thing and I would sometimes do
BBQ sauce on them. I love for your little like
single like I went wild. Sometimes I did BBQ, sometimes I
didn't. Sometimes there'd be green
beans, sometimes it would be corn, maybe some I don't.
Yeah. But I didn't really get into
vegetables as like I am now, right?
So anyways, that was my whole thing.
And like, new thing was like, you would eat sporadically,
right? Because, you know, you, you're a
person, like forgets to eat lunch.
Sometimes they're like, oh, I've around to eat lunch and I'm
like, I don't know this world. Yeah, I mean, I can.
One large meal will carry me through the day usually, and if
it doesn't, it's enough where I can just go to bed or I'll be
like, OK, I'll have like a few chips and I'll be fun.
Or like you would order in. Or like you and your older mate
would like, you know. Go to the KFC Taco Bell down the
street I. Tried to like KFC.
Taco. Why can I never remember her
name? She was fantastic.
She worked with her. Yeah, Ben always remembers her
name. It's not Francine, but it's
something. Paulette.
Paulette, the KFC Taco Bell on Terrible.
We love you if you're listening. Be awesome.
Paulette's like, Oh my God, I'm their number one fans.
It's only I remember that guy and he's.
Yeah. Yeah, but meanwhile, you
probably one of your best friends from high school that
you really like is listen, one of our fans and and you're like,
I don't care to keep in touch with any of them.
Well, my best friend from high school, we're not best friends
anymore. And the thing he gets to?
Say is 1. Fart one of them, The people I'm
I talk to, I want to talk to and it's, you know, really only one
of them is in person. Well, it's it's a bit more, but
basically consistently they're not that many people.
But, you know, I'm. So it's just interesting that
you have that and, you know, also we live in the yeah.
Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like my situation is the
exception, not for all. I think there's far more people
out there that are like, I don't want to keep in touch with high
school people than there are. Like again, our town is just a
little weird little. Microcosm.
Microcosm of just unexpected wholesomeness.
So wholesome. So I mean, it's, it's known for
some horrible things, the temp itself, but, you know, but
that's just, you know, bad reputation.
Yeah. So anyway.
Especially a documentary. And that should be us and.
I don't want to make it. I don't.
I don't make movies. You know me.
I love going to movies. I don't want to know how the
sausage is made. Production is a lot.
Yeah, having like archive and like keep track of like that and
have a way of editing it and all that stuff.
Although we have a good friend who's an editor, he'd help us
out with that. That's true.
Maybe we should make some
documentary. I don't know.
I don't. Know.
Oh, that's right, yeah. I can still give you a while to
figure out who I was talking about.
Yeah, it would have. To be a cartoon for him.
Daddy, he can edit real things. We can do so anyway it is.
He It was a great day, great night.
Yeah, it was seeing everybody and meeting people have Facebook
friends with, and it was, yeah, it was a good time.
Yeah, it was nice to see everyone responded well to you
and was just like, I already know you and it was good.
And I'm like, really? And they, they feel like they
did. And so, yeah, I know it's nice
reconnecting with people like, you know, and hopefully, I don't
know, there's a handful. I feel like we should try to
make a point to see again. And I think we could use the
momentum of the reunion be like, hey, we should get dinner.
Like the wedding exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like we had so many people at our wedding that were like,
well, we'll come visit you sometime.
And then we made a point of actually going back east and
seeing them. So which means we also have to
go to Boston sometime. We do.
We have a lot of places we need
to go. Portland The.
Provincetown, Boston. My Provincetown.
Because they were saying, oh. Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like sometimes people are just like you guys are gay.
You'd love Provincetown. Well, it's a quickie little town
and I think, you know, like that.
Nothing. I know it's a it's a nice place.
I've been there during the offseason.
I'm sure we will like. So but speaking, yes.
So reconnecting and reuniting, do you really get into the Off
Camera Stuff podcast today with Katie or just save that for
after? I mean, I feel like, I don't
know, Everything else that happened on this episode just
seems like complete fluff and irrelevant.
Yeah. Like yeah, they meant like, OK,
I guess we just start because it started at Katie meeting Jen
today. At the very beginning, Katie
shows up to meet Jen for and she brings with her the proof.
Which isn't really proof, which isn't good, which makes you seem
like you're just a liar. As Gina said, you know, it's
only somebody. Not that she does, but her
theory that if you think of think in that was in those
terms. But I'm going to set somebody
up, which Katie has never done, by the way.
At least. You know, then you're going to
think others are trying to set you up.
I can't remember our stance on this last week about the set,
the possibility to set up. It is weird that this dude also
did the polygraph for Beverly Hills.
It is weird that he also did the polygraph on it's reality show
that Gretchen was on. It just means he's a reality
show horror, basically. So do I think things are
manipulated? I don't know the whole thing,
which is dark. And weird, our stance last week,
my stance anyway, was that polygraphs, polygraphs aren't
reliable. They don't prove an actual
thing. I recognize that guy as being
the one from Beverly Hills. Like the whole idea.
Polygraph or no polygraph, actor or no actor, we're still on a
reality show. The producers can edit together
whatever the hell they want and they can point whatever
narrative they want to make the most juicy kind of storyline
happened. So housewives or not, I, I feel
like that's happened. I, I, I was going to say we
could skip over Katie and all of her appearances on podcasts and
everything today, but I really think it comes down to like, I
think we need to talk about it because I believe Katie, I
believe in all of this. And I, I think that it's just
difficult. And it, it's going to be
difficult for me to watch the rest of the season if they keep
coming back to this whole narrative that Katie lied about
this and that Gretchen is telling the truth.
Because even watching Tamara and Gretchen talk towards the end,
it just was making my skin crawl that like Gretchen's quote, UN
quote getting away with this. Like she's sitting there the
entire time wanting Tamara to take accountability for stuff
the whole entire time. Refused to admit that she said
that. Oh, I might have misspoken.
Like, no, no, no, no. You said you went to the
hospital. I believe Katie, when she says
that Gretchen told all this, it makes complete sense to me with
slain calling 100 million times trying to cover this all up.
I just feel like Katie's getting the real raw end of this deal
and I don't like seeing it happened.
It's really awkward to the fact that she's just they're trying
to dismiss her so easily beyond the Gretchen overall, just you
know, at the beginning episode, I just started with Gretchen and
Emily meeting for those stupid testosterone.
I know is that at the beginning? Yeah, and basically saying, you
know, you know, get you saying alive if she's around, I'm not
going to come around, which is very ingenitive.
Her last year with Kristen Kristen but you know Emily is
saying like you know, hopefully she can just be gone and it's
like this the ease of which you were trying to dismiss and I
somebody out because you perceive everything they're
saying is a lie when that you don't know that for sure and can
you make mistakes yes how she lied yes is she the is she a
terrorist No is she. An artist.
No, but you're acting like it she is and that she's the worst.
The worst and you to rid her of your out of your lives because
she's just like, right. Like she's worse than Jin Shaw,
she's worse than Kelly Dodd. She's just like, Oh my God,
worse than Alexis Blina in Shannon's mind.
Her mere presence somehow just sullies your, you know,
sensibility. Right.
Yeah. It's really, really hard to take
and I it's like from kicking her out of the house last year or
last episode to now. I just, I don't, I hope they
just don't mention her at all. Like, I think, you know, the the
sit down with Jen, if I were sure I wouldn't even like
brought up the fact that this could have been a setup or these
were her actors. It doesn't really do anything
because really, when it comes down to it, she I think Katie
cares about Jen. I don't think she's bullshitting
about that. She cares about Jen.
She put a lot of effort, energy and revealed a lot of herself in
that friendship, and it's hard to let that go.
And so she went in there like wanting to salvage things, and
Jin went in there wanting to break up with her.
Like that was a break. Yeah, that was a break.
Thoughts about break? We've had a lot of good times
together. Right, you know, and you.
I really value what we, you know, but like, she wants to
break up with her. She because.
Oh, Gretchen. Yeah.
And because she wants to keep rising to the top is like, I
can't, yes, I can't align myself with this thing that is Katie
so. One of the things that Katie
brought up on either the podcast, maybe both of them,
she's on The Vile Files and she's on 2TS today.
Who? Better be one on 2TS.
Two TS. I agree what she did now I'm
going to forget what she brought up.
Totally derailed me, as did the 2 beers I had earlier.
No. So one of the things she brought
up was that dearment. Well, keep talking, I'll it'll
come back about masters. No.
Oh, I was just I I got the impression from her talking with
Jen is that Jen very much doesn't want to lose the show
that they were all very much not.
They all but like Slade, Gretchen were very concerned
about the fact that like what she brought up about Tamara
possibly drug drugging her was very aligned with Candy and
Phaedra, the whole thing with Atlanta which got Phaedra fired.
And so they were, it seems very, it seems likely to me that Slade
and Gretchen are trying to protect and make sure they don't
get kicked off the show, that they get any sort of, you know,
consideration to continue with the show, Especially at the end
of this episode where Gretchen brings up that, like, the things
Tamara has said has prevented Kate from getting job.
Kate Slate getting a job. Yeah.
And so they just seem very desperate to manage this image.
And so I can see it being likely that Slate and Gretchen have
like scared the living crap out of Jen and said, if you don't go
along with this, you're going to be involved with it too.
And you're and you're not going to have this income either.
And whereas Katie isn't as worried about that.
So she can go ahead and, you know, break ranks, so to speak,
But Jen is very much going to go ahead and toe the line, for lack
of better words, so that she doesn't have any possible, you
know, Gray area that she supported as a drug narrative.
Well also too, as Katie said that Jen cares more about her
hatred for Tamra than the truth, so she's going to split it
whichever way. I you know, on the on the two TS
podcast, Katie said that, you know, Jen and Gretchen were so
united in their hatred for Tamra and that's what they were
talking about. I completely believe that
masters that are maestros masters was like 90 percent, 95%
talking shit about Tamera and Gretchen Slade wanted to be back
in the show so badly and it was secure their spot.
And they don't want to do anything too controversial.
They just want to like, you know, have her do have a good
season so that she can get it or it's basically her audition
because her actual audition. Was the Morocco girl trip.
Which we'll never see. Yeah.
Hello. Hell's frozen over.
I believe Vicki. Yeah.
That Slade was, as Vicki said on her podcast, that Slade was
reaching out during the Morocco Girls Trip to producers saying,
trying to invent drama to help out Gretchen, to keep her, you
know, because he's not what Girls Trip did for Tamra and the
Brookshires. And he wants to repeat that.
Yeah. So this whole thing was like,
let's propel Gretch into a full time spot because they probably
need that money. Yeah.
You know, because apparently Slade can't get a job.
Yeah. So.
That's totally Tamara's fault. Totally Tamara's fault every.
Time someone goes ahead and tries to check his background.
Somehow it comes up that 15 years ago, Tamara called him a
deadbeat dad. Let me pull up Peacock and find
the episode from 2011 and. What does he do for work anyway?
Do you know? Do you remember?
I don't know. Yeah.
So I mean neither here nor there.
I just think it's complete BS. And then on top of it, I know
we're jumping around, but I don't know that I have the
patience to go through chronologically, but let's.
Go and get back. For that whole conversation at
the end between Tamara and Gretchen just had me pissed off
in general because Gretchen keeps wanting Tamara to take
accountability for the things that she said, but Gretchen was
not acknowledging anything and her part in anything.
And as someone who believes Katie that Gretchen actually
said this. Oh wait.
Also as someone who believes the words that came out of
Gretchen's mouth on camera. But she misspoke.
But to have her sit there and deny, deny, deny this after she
said it, I'm just, I can't. I just can't with it.
And so to have Tamara swallow a bit, fine, let's move, let's
move forward. I'm not going to enjoy this.
I can't wait for it to explode. I do not want to see Gretchen on
the show another season if this is how it's going to be.
She's just not. She's not a good character.
Like she's just not. Not a good character I think.
Last, you meant to say? Yes, there's just something
about her that is just slimy and swarmy and, yeah, like, and just
lying, just lying so badly and. You know in.
Acting so badly. I think what it is as well, and
a lot of people have said this is that, you know, I think, and
we have in the past, when all these shows go dark and get
dark, it's when the actual production of the show becomes a
storyline, when there's like people manipulating the truth so
that they can continue to be seen in a certain light.
And I think where we like the shows is when they admit to it
and that's light and fluffy or it's just petty drama that like,
who cares if I said that? And in these things, like the
things that are being brought up are actual serious things where
people wouldn't care if he said that.
Let's go back to the things where you said like, OK, I know
it's cancelable and very different in certain situations.
But if we went back talking about the, you know, Tamra's
pulling up that picture of Jen, That's not, that's some darker
stuff, but it's not as dark as this like.
It's petty. It's.
Petty. But there's a way you can come
back from saying, you know, saying like, I was just trying
to show that you were a bad dresser and you didn't look as
good as you do now. Like you've had a glow up, right
and. So there's ways to get back to
it, but it just, I'm tired of this whole like manipulating the
story so that you can have a position on the show.
What's also necessary? It's because it's a story from
years ago, like 1213, whatever. Yeah, we had though.
And it's so it's that it's what you said also like making
production basically a story. And it's also investing so much
energy in things that happened off camera, right, Which
production hates, right? This matches in there was not
filmed, right. So we only have, she said, she
said, you know. And again, it's this whole.
What was film was Gretchen saying she went to the hospital?
There's no misspeaking around that, right?
I'm just, I just stand out with it.
And so like, I don't know, like I kind of feel like Shannon must
have felt at the end of this episode where she's like, great,
now I'm the only one who looks like an asshole.
Now you. Know just like.
Like everyone else is pretending, but Shannon's
actually sticking to her guns and being like, I don't want to
move forward because the way Tamara treated me was bad.
And seeing those trailers where Tamara's bringing it up again.
Look, I love Tamra so much, but I cannot with her.
She should never, after last year, talk about Shannon's
drinking ever. It's never going to look good.
I don't care if you're swooping in and grabbing the keys out of
Shannon's hands where she goes on a drunk driving spree, it's
not going to look good for you ever because of what you did.
The audience has this notion because you were so aggressive
towards her and like to bring it up and then to throw Gina on
them us which is funny like it's no why would you even like like
I hope it's like on episode and it's and they move past it right
because I don't need to go back to that yeah but we never need
to go back to that. What Shannon saw out her old
issues with drinking, whatever they might be, but.
That's for business, I have to say.
Like, I'm kind of looping back. I'm really irritated that
Tamra's letting Gretchen off the hook for the sake of moving
forward. It's like, I'll move forward if
you admit that you had a part in this, that like just be I, I
just have a problem with being gas lit by people in general.
Like in real life. It's happened to me.
I had a friend who used to lie to me all the goddamn time.
He's dead now, so I don't have to worry about that happening
anymore. But I'm just saying like it just
I don't sit there and talk to me like I'm a fucking idiot
because, well, that's, that's me.
The fastest way to get me to stop being your friend.
Well, it's like, you know, more like we're bringing up, kept
bringing up like, you know, it's like this to that.
And like, by the way, you know, we sat down and we actually, I
apologize for this. And Gretchen is just so stuck in
the past. So I think Tamara had to move on
either. She doesn't necessarily want to
fully have a relationship with this woman.
She needs to move on for the sake of the show and her sanity.
And also she has bigger things that are more important than
Gretchen being pissed at her because she called the slay the
deadbeat dad in 2011. Like period.
But again, so I mean things I will not let go in general.
And on this podcast right now, and if I were Tamara, again,
it's not like Tamara made-up the fact that Slade's ex had to do a
GoFundMe for her child's funeral service.
Like if Slade was such a stand up guy, why did that have to
happen? And let's just say for the sake
of argument that his ex like totally manipulated the
situation, totally made that up, didn't need that money and just
was using as an excuse to get money, right?
What does Slade have to say about it?
I've never heard a single word about it.
He does not address it. I've never seen it, never read
it. They they don't even bring it
up. So all they sit there and do is
this horrible Republican thing that we keep saying out there
where, yes, this is a fact, but we're just not going to address
it. We're going to go ahead and say
it never happened. It's fake news.
No, that happened. So for me, it just drives me
nuts that Tamara's letting Gretchen off the well.
Because that's because Gretchen Tamara didn't like pull this out
of nowhere. She, you know, she's had
examples of, of slave being a deadbeat dad.
So it's not a lie. But I mean, I guess the only
solace I'll take in it for Tamara moving on is that these
two do not deserve any more conversation.
Right. Slain and Gretchen.
Yes, yes, yes. Agreed.
Because just having them on the show period and hearing about
his crooked Dick and like, whatever.
And she it's cute to be all like, no.
Nothing about her is is is cute. It's just, it's weird.
Like she's just odd to me. Yeah, like it's, but that's
that. Yeah, yeah.
And then I'm disappointed, you mentioned it earlier.
I'm disappointed with the tack that Emily's taking about the
whole dismissive, you know. So dismissive.
And just how quickly she's just
like want to be buddy buddy with, with Gretchen, it's like.
Let's get shots in the butt together.
No, I Emily's best. I mean, it's a horrible thing
that's going on with her, but her what I care about with Emily
is her storyline with her son and him getting better and like
trying to sort that out and this whole Katie thing.
I just don't want them to bring Katie up at all.
You know, of course she's going to come up throughout the
season. I'm sure we won't see her until
that sit down on camera. What's going to happen on
camera? Rock my words.
But I I don't want to hear them. Just basically call this woman
everything but a child. God, it's just it's gross and I
it's just it's all when it's and freaking Heather like and I like
how the most part, but I don't need your intents and humor with
this and like my husband is also adopted.
Like just stop it. It's valid.
I can see what she's saying. So that's.
Also. That's all sort of bad tag that
Katie took of I was set up. You agree with that fully?
I don't think she was set up, but I, I do believe that it is
notable and it was worth her bringing up that like these are
people for hire and they are actors and we're on a reality
show. So for everyone here to be
saying that this is the gospel truth, that what happened with.
The lawyer, right, Emily. Exactly.
That is just preposterous. Yeah.
So first, yeah, things that are not admissible, things that are
provenly unreliable. So to sit there and be like, oh,
on top of it, these people that administer lie detectors for
entertainment value. I wouldn't have taken like she
made a mistake by taking that, that tact.
Yeah, I wouldn't have even. I wouldn't have shown up with.
Anytime anyone shows up with an envelope full of screenshots, it
never. Goes well, it never I think you.
Should have just made the argument that I just made that
like, these are entertainers who happen to do polygraphs, so why
would we believe that it is, you know, 100% infallible?
And Italy, guilty people have passed polygroms and as far as
yeah, it's not reliable, you know, I am not lying.
And she, you know, she said that I think on both file files and
two TS that she's going to die on the hill that she didn't
speak to Kiki, which I thought was really surprising.
I was like, I thought she was going to admit that she did
speak to Kiki, right. And well, in terms of she meant
she spoke her, but she has said I did not tell her about the
Gretchen thing, about the naked waste of being drunk thing.
So I'm like, oh, OK, we're dying out of the animal.
I guess it's OK and. It doesn't.
To me also, it's absolutely irrelevant whether who told who
Gretchen said it. And no one is holding Gretchen
to the fire. Everyone she.
Said everyone just believed that Gretchen didn't say it.
It's so interesting. Because Jen, 'cause they.
Think it anymore like Jen, Emily, Gina and Shannon there's
like, and Shannon heard it with her own 2 ears and she's still
just like OK but I mean that's what you said to me but I'm just
gonna let it go. It's so interesting.
I just think Shannon's letting it go.
I think Shannon this season is mostly checked out.
I mean, I think he's just kind of like.
Well, should I realize some season last year so.
So I mean, she gets a little bit of it.
I mean, does she get to invite her daughter to the beach party
and be like Leslie? Wasn't invited to that beach
party. OK, Like what?
Look, I'm not going to callus I am very glad that GSX husband
did not die of a heart attack. Oh, absolutely.
You know, for his sake, for the children's sake.
I didn't need to see his wife show up twice.
I didn't. I'm very happy for you, ma'am,
that your husband didn't die, but I don't need to have him
crying at this beach, whatever that was the.
Beach croissant lunch. Would be with like that I'm
like, oh it's Heather's friend and like Jen's friend.
All these are randos and then Sophie shows up and I'm like.
What are we doing? You do not like random.
I hate. Random housewife guests, I mean
will not affect the plot at all. Atlanta did that two seasons ago
during like, it was like kind of during her.
It was just, it's wack. The one random housewife guest
we wanted was the real estate agent from Orange County.
She was the best. She was the best because she sat
there like, whoa, what's going on?
She was great when she was. Made her bag a lot of color.
I also have to say, I hate giving it to Gretchen, but
Gretchen's right. I mean, Joe isn't just showing
up because Tamra's besties. Oh, right.
Yeah, I mean, but girl, what do you expect?
And it's funny that, like, they don't interact at all.
Yeah, well, they just shows up. I like, oh, like, hey, how you
doing? Nothing.
And I, I like Tal Jude like we don't need, we don't need to
hear about Joe's words. Grant this.
They love showing that couch clip.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I enjoyed seeing that
clip from the reunion of Andy. And Oh my God when slave, you
are delusional if you think you left the show.
Yeah, of your own choice. There's no room.
Oh my, yeah. He's just a sleazebag.
I mean, that's a bit strong, isn't it?
I mean, do we know, do we know anything other than what we've
heard on podcasts And we've seen that true from the bloggers?
We thought like that freaking that that is horrible.
Stand up. What I'll tell you in Ashland
and he's and he called like I remember that season he called
Mickey and his piggy. He's a whore.
He's just, I don't know. I'm not saying he's a horrible
person. He's just, he's sliding.
Well, we also know he's not funny.
That's the one thing that we can guarantee.
Yes, and he was blowing out Matt's phone.
I live out that. Now I was not weirded out that
bat has my spicy Asian as. I think why you even get you
were like my my hockey black husband.
I would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm.
Like, no, it's a bit much. I mean, at least.
If you're OK with it, fine, but it's just weird.
I'd also change it before I knew a camera was.
I don't, I'd be like, honey, I don't want to put off the wrong
you know thing, even though you and I are cool with it because,
you know, I do call you my hunky black husband all the time.
All the time. All the time.
Yeah, that was a little bit weird, but I have to say like.
The amount of slave calls. The amount of slave calls is
very suspicious. If you're not freaking out
trying to like do damage control, why would you call
someone so many times in a row? So many like just missed call?
Missed call, is it? That just was weird, yes.
So again, they're just something's not right with the
buttermilk. Is no the bottle something in
the bottle? Is something in the buttermilk
ain't clean? And and it's because it's Slade
something that buttermilk is crooked.
Slade Slade drug the buttermilk. Yeah, no, hey, you can't say
that. No, allegedly.
I mean, I was, I might get so sick I might go to the hospital.
I might need to go to the hospital, but I'm not going to
go to the hospital. Didn't say that.
I misspoke you guys. My headband was too tight, what
I was saying. Yeah, I just, I, I'm, I'm not
liking again, you know, I, I if we find out later that Katie was
lying and lying and lying and this is all a big thing, I will
eat my hat. But it just again, this just
seems too much. It's.
Don't like the pile on? I do not.
Pile on and the most interesting scenes were the Katy scenes.
Yeah, everything else I'm like, I mean, Shed and Tamra made-up,
you know? I don't believe.
I don't believe that either. Because we know Janet hates her
and met with our other fellow I hate Tamra club member and like,
no, she's never going to get over it.
It was 2 beers. I supposed to you off before
Those two, Gretchen and Jen are so stuck in the past and so
stuck on their hatred for something that Tamra did to
them. And not that she didn't do bad
things to them, but you also did some funky shit too.
Yeah. But they're so stuck on it, they
will never move forward. Tamra, on the other hand, is
like, I may not like these chicks, but this is my job.
I'm moving forward and once it and also too, I have a more
important things to deal with, like getting over my my issues
and therapy so that I can have a better life for me and for my
family. That is more important than
fighting with Gretchen about shit that happened on 20 briefly
and like when Obama was president.
Yeah. I don't know.
My, my thing is though, is that I think he, I think there's a
time when you it's, it's OK to kind of go along to get along,
but I think there comes a point where you got to stop being
letting people walk over you. Not that Tamara's ever been
accused of that, but I'm just saying like this is just, I
don't know, Tamara's been messy and really handled things poorly
in the past. And I don't think the way that
she, I think she could have played things better, but I
think that this, I think letting this go is a bad idea.
You know, well, the thing with Tamara is that she's right, but
her delivery is wrong. Yeah.
And so it eliminates the the validity of her argument
because, you know, even in the trailer and I'm.
I'm curious to see like what's this all how this all goes down
when she's like screaming like fuck you to to Gretchen and like
basically almost like getting getting out of her face and so.
I had to hold her back. Yes, like I'm sure she has was
right with that. But like Eric, it just looks
like Adela Tama is doing this. It's her Altama's bringing up.
Shana's drinking like. It's because when she starts
doing it, she just has a very, very childish risk reaction.
Like, it's very, very emotionally charged and
adolescent, almost like, you know, like high school girls
fighting. And it's like, she could.
Yeah. And it's not just her.
It's a lot of the housewives like I think Teresa has the same
problem on New Jersey. Is that like she gets so like
upset that she just overloves. It's like if if if they could
just calmly. I want to see it happen because
I just when people are right, I want them to be right.
And I really don't feel, really feel what Gretchen and Jen are
doing is because. That's one of the thing,
whatever Gretchen and and Jen get into an argument with
Tamara, they are very, very calm.
Like at the beach, you know, Gretchen was like, no, Tamara,
you did this and you did that. And, you know, luckily Tamara
was fine. And then, you know, rise up and
with her anger. But like, it very well could
have gone that way, you know, And then Gretchen be like, see,
she's just like flopping handle, you know, she's not changed at
all. Therapy's not working.
And then, you know, anything right that Tamara said or did,
it just goes thrown out the window.
So yeah, she would say that she was like fairly calm at 3 Union
last year. So I think she needs to have
more of that energy. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
But what else? What happened in the trailer
though? Oh, I don't really remember.
I think this they've been talking about something, it's
really dark happening at the end of the season and you I think
they kind of elite get on. And said what it might be.
They will do. You have an idea what?
It might. I have no idea.
I don't want to. I don't want to spoil.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I just, I look forward to a girls trip, that's always.
Nice. Yeah.
Damn. That'll be good.
And then, yeah, I don't really know what else really happens.
It wasn't a lot of people were thinking like, you know, kitties
on it and like, what the hell? So it will be odds.
It's it's awkward. It's an awkward season.
Yeah, you know, with the cast. So hopefully it's in.
Proves. Like I thought like to go from
that like the high drama of last week to like this this guy like.
Well, I mean, there's got to be, you know, it's got to be
Crescendos and that of the valley, so you can enjoy the
peaks, right? But yeah, I just, I feel like, I
don't know, I just I sing someone out all together.
That was another interesting thing Katie said.
Or I think on the Vile files was like, or maybe Vile, Nick Vile
said it was like, how why would anyone want to come on this show
if this is how they're going to be treated, right?
Like what do the other women think is going to happen?
Like it's similar to what happens to New Jersey with like,
was it New Jersey or Potomac where it's like you got these
new people on and you keep icing them out.
It's like it's not can't just be you guys forever.
We've already read. That you can have the, you can
have the core members, but you can't, well, the housewives
can't be 4 people, you know. So anything is tell me.
Because it's like we're saying, like we know with Monique and
with Wendy and with Candace, people were trying to be pushed
out. And it's like you're not doing
what the show is supposed to be, what's supposed to be done
right, conflict and the resolution.
You're just like hovering on the conflict.
I mean, I don't want to use a Karen Huger analogy, but it's
like there's a pie, right? Right.
And then you take half the pie and put it in the freezer.
Now I'm I'm just seeing what it feels about it.
But now it's that whole idea of scarcity and how, you know, a
lot of people operate from. There's not enough to go around
for everybody. There's enough housewives to go
around. If you bring on another
housewife, you can still get the same amount of time.
Just be interesting. Just because that housewife
isn't there doesn't mean they're going to focus on your story.
Instead, they're going to focus on something else that's
interesting. And if you're being dull, you're
not going to be focused on and. Also, why would you want to be
the one to cure the entire show? You know, like let it went
either equal chance to shine or to bring drama or to be messy
because then like you're just expecting you're going to every
dinner party. Like, well, production wants me
to do this right. They want me to, you know, like
the. Especially on a show right now
that's complaining and whining left and right, up and down
that, you know, Tamara is the center of attention.
And it's like, if you don't want Tamara to be the center of
attention, then you need to work on having a show where everyone
gets equal time. And if you're doing your best to
remove people from it, then all that's going to do is make it so
that people are just being, you know, center of attention.
And you're like. You're not a share that's.
Like the savior, that was something from the trailer of
him saying that, you know, Heather's afraid of Tambra,
which I don't believe, you know, calling her a pussy, like
basically saying like, you know, Heather isn't really her friend
or just afraid of her, just afraid of her.
That's really I. They're far away from Gina and
Emily. Well, it's.
What are these strings about? They're trying to get their job.
Right. It's I don't know, it's come up
a lot. It's come up years before that
Heather is afraid of Tamara and I don't I don't know that
they're using afraid must be some sort of weird code that
like. Like the Vault?
Well, yeah, exactly. Like she, like she won't cross
Tamara. She won't argue with Tamara
because she knows she'll lose in the edit or something or that
the, you know what I mean? It's like there's got to be some
truth to it because Heather has said a few things that kind of
go against her, like pro Tamara, like Tamara's fine.
You know, I'm trying to be the, you know, mediator here sort of
thing. So I believe it's probably true,
but afraid isn't the right. Word no.
And she actually spoke up against Sarah when she left New
Orleans because she said, you know, I've put so much energy
defending you, and now I look like the tool because you just
left. And you know, we won't even
return my calls and give me like, the decency of doing that.
It seems like the easy way out for Emily and Gina and everyone
else is to say she's afraid of Tamara.
When really the fact is there's probably way more nuanced
situation of like, you know, I think to admit that Heather is
justified in supporting Tamara at it then suggests that Tamara
might be right about some things.
And their whole narrative wants to be that Tamara's just
irrational and erratic and, you know, completely off the handle.
So I think that's where she's just afraid of Tamara kind of
makes up for. But what do they want?
Do they want Heather to like be against Tamara, like Tamara this
first season back and when they're opposite, you know,
sides? And I mean what?
I don't understand that like, just let whoever be friends be
friends. Like don't like focus so much on
a friendship. I mean, why is it to you do?
You think that they're just like, do you think Shannon,
Emily and Gina are just kind of bitter that they brought Tamara
back at all? Like still.
For maybe two of the people out of that that group, yes, yes.
I mean it's. Awesome.
What girl? Like girls, what were you doing
to so that they didn't bring Tamara back?
Right. We didn't watch this season, so
we don't know. I just I've heard bad things.
We should just go back and watch when we're bored with nothing
else going on. We should just watch like 1
episode a Tamara free like season episode.
Yeah, like season before she came back and just with Noella
and Noella. Who?
Ella. She was a one and done.
Also a woman. But yes, I would be curious
because I won't heard bad things.
Yeah, people who like, can't stand Tamara like that was a
boring season, so. I mean, I don't think that the
one boring season means they should have brought Tamara back.
Let's say it was OK. So that's so we'll have to do
some investigating. Do you need someone who's going
to strike the mouse and so? I mean, that's The thing is that
if no one was moving story and no one really had any sort of
thing like, you know, I don't necessarily support having
camera on the show just so everyone can talk about her.
I'd almost rather her she not be on the show and again, give
other people re ways to shine. But if they had the room to
shine and they didn't, then OK, then this is where the way they.
Were like you don't have camera or you step up or they bring in
somebody new that you have to actually accept who maybe can
move the story. And honestly too, you're going
to need fresh blood anyways. It's like we can't keep doing
the same regurgitation. You're seeing what's happening
with Gretchen and Tamara, like it's boring to the audience to
talk about stuff from years past that should have been resolved
years ago. Right.
So I I don't.
I don't. Yeah, I don't know.
I do not know. But I'm here to see how it goes.
Then with the thrill of this episode, want to see what
happens next? Yeah.
Yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm just too fresh on the, you know,
Katie of it all. And it it's just kind of
irritating me that everyone just so dismissive of it.
And I feel, I feel bad. There they do.
Me too. And I want to say if Katie is
telling the truth and you know that, you know, I know which I
feel she is. I just think it's really shitty.
But again, at the same time, well, it's also just convenient.
Like the girl who cried wolf. It's like, whatever, like you
guys again, like they've never lied, all that stuff.
Yeah, frustrating. I don't know.
I don't know what the path word is.
I just, yeah, I don't want to say I hope she there's thought
of it. She's got to come back.
She does, I hope. I mean, we haven't gotten to
this part, but I saw a clip of it where Teddy asks Katie, you
know, about, you know, saying if Katie comes back, she'd not
think about coming back. Girl, please.
Yeah, I don't know. We didn't.
Need this job the housinger and selling we.
Don't know that, don't say that. No, that's wrong.
I mean, I buy a house just from Gina just to say I bought a
house from Gina, no. One's coming.
I mean, if she, you know, if we move down there, Yeah.
I mean, I'm CS movie. No one counting God soon.
So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. Well, I think we've exhausted
this enough. Yeah, very tired.
We've other things to do. We got to watch Miami.
We had to pod that tomorrow and be crazy.
So until next time. Till next time.