1 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,080 Welcome to that episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. 2 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:20,360 I'm Scott. And I'm Jeff. 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,880 And we watch the episode of The Real Housewives of Orange 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,520 County. Sure did. 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Should I say that differently? Do I normally say tonight and 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,640 what? I don't know. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,520 It felt weird. It's been so long since we've 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,440 done an episode. It's weird, like having 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,040 everything on Thursday. I know we say this every 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,520 Thursday, but it's a constant day. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,880 Yeah, I need my housewives spread out more than one day a 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,680 week. Yeah, well, we came out, you 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,920 know, found, went to this mop in October, but. 14 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:48,360 But still, yes, yeah, no, also like I feel even though it's 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,080 been a while since we've done an episode, it I've been chock full 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,160 of like housewives drama and everything with Katie being all 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,760 over the the podcast, not the blogs. 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,360 She's not going on bloggers, she's going on podcast. 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,080 She's not going on blogs because it's not 2014 and there are no 20 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,880 there are on blogs. There are blogs but like these 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,960 are content creators. She's over there talking to 22 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:10,640 Michael Kay on D listed, that's what's. 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Michael Kay. So she sucks. 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Yeah, so like pink is the new black? 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Yeah, it's been a long week. Catch y'all up on our lives. 26 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:28,480 I went to my high school and we went to my school and it was a 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,040 lot of fun. I wish I had some juicy like, Oh 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,560 my God, I can't believe so and so looked like such and such. 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,800 But no, it was a good time. It was. 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,680 There was no drama. It's like, you know, I was 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,680 saying to you, it's interesting, you know, you've known these 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,440 people and kept in touch with many of them for 30 plus years. 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Even before that you knew them since the 6th grade. 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,320 So the fact that you're still friends with them and wants to 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,680 gather it wasn't everyone from your class, but it was a a 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,960 significant portion should have been wanted to like, you know, 37 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,840 come and see people and like flew in from other States and, 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,400 you know, just something that I don't have because I don't care 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,960 to reunite with anybody that I don't like keep in touch with, 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,200 you know, via Facebook or whatever, you know, or see them 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,320 in person from time to time. I don't need to go to reunion, 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,080 but going to yours was like super fun and everyone was so 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,280 nice and like you would introduce me like with my 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,240 husband Jeff, they'd be like, I know Facebook. 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,760 I'm like, oh. Social media is doing its job, 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,200 even. Though we don't really post that 47 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,560 much. No, not not these. 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,840 Days. No, like, like five years ago we 49 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,760 were. Yeah. 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,560 Like, you know, I. Would say three years ago we 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,200 were even less than. Yeah, it's really couple years. 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,400 We've got more on Instagram I feel like. 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Yeah, it's pretty. But we still check in the 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,200 movies. On. 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,600 That's true. That's true. 56 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,040 We still check in, you know, with post brunch and everything 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,160 and that sort of stuff. Like a lot of, you know, cat 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,880 stuff, but it was like we're doing like, you know, our meal. 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Like, no, yeah, he was meals, but yeah, whatever. 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,720 But now we just cook the same thing over and over again. 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Lunch like. Most iron couples exactly the 62 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,600 little. Pork Pork loomaine. 63 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Tonight was pretty good. It was life, it was quite 64 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,880 lifeful, so good. We should get meal line to 65 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,040 sponsor us. Right. 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,840 Meal Line is a great app that we've been using since 2019. 67 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,560 This is now the infomercial part of it, yes. 68 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,160 And either not being spice is not paid, we're not. 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,440 If you need a good meal planning thing it meal line's great. 70 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,280 Basically, we did it because when we moved in together, we're 71 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 like, what are we going to make for dinner? 72 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,600 I think we should back up and be like when we moved in together, 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,640 neither of us truly cooked like we, like you, would make food. 74 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,400 And I would make This is my this would be my meal meals. 75 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,600 On Sunday. I would make a meal either like 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,480 chicken or steak or pork chops and enough to last me 3 days. 77 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,600 The other two days I would do spaghetti and then there'd be 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,400 one day I'd do like a frozen meal. 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,040 And then on Saturdays, which is my crazy day, I would have hot 80 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,120 dogs and French fries that I would like make. 81 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,400 I would like, you know, bake French fries and boil hot dogs. 82 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,400 It was a very simple single life. 83 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,920 And you know, I just, I went with dinner. 84 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,720 I was like, I don't know what to do because like I bake chicken 85 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,400 on Sundays for I don't know what to make for you. 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,720 I make these. It was always drumsticks. 87 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,160 Never breasts, never thighs, Always drumsticks. 88 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,920 I don't know. I don't know how you make 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,120 chicken on the bone like that. I fucking can't stand. 90 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,720 It but it was like I it was my thing and I would sometimes do 91 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,480 BBQ sauce on them. I love for your little like 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,800 single like I went wild. Sometimes I did BBQ, sometimes I 93 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,680 didn't. Sometimes there'd be green 94 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,920 beans, sometimes it would be corn, maybe some I don't. 95 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,560 Yeah. But I didn't really get into 96 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,480 vegetables as like I am now, right? 97 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,360 So anyways, that was my whole thing. 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,720 And like, new thing was like, you would eat sporadically, 99 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,640 right? Because, you know, you, you're a 100 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:49,920 person, like forgets to eat lunch. 101 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Sometimes they're like, oh, I've around to eat lunch and I'm 102 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,320 like, I don't know this world. Yeah, I mean, I can. 103 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,640 One large meal will carry me through the day usually, and if 104 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,800 it doesn't, it's enough where I can just go to bed or I'll be 105 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,080 like, OK, I'll have like a few chips and I'll be fun. 106 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Or like you would order in. Or like you and your older mate 107 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 would like, you know. Go to the KFC Taco Bell down the 108 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,920 street I. Tried to like KFC. 109 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,200 Taco. Why can I never remember her 110 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,720 name? She was fantastic. 111 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,280 She worked with her. Yeah, Ben always remembers her 112 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:15,720 name. It's not Francine, but it's 113 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,720 something. Paulette. 114 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,360 Paulette, the KFC Taco Bell on Terrible. 115 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,920 We love you if you're listening. Be awesome. 116 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Paulette's like, Oh my God, I'm their number one fans. 117 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,680 It's only I remember that guy and he's. 118 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,240 Yeah. Yeah, but meanwhile, you 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,280 probably one of your best friends from high school that 120 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,200 you really like is listen, one of our fans and and you're like, 121 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,960 I don't care to keep in touch with any of them. 122 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Well, my best friend from high school, we're not best friends 123 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,200 anymore. And the thing he gets to? 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,280 Say is 1. Fart one of them, The people I'm 125 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,880 I talk to, I want to talk to and it's, you know, really only one 126 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,840 of them is in person. Well, it's it's a bit more, but 127 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,800 basically consistently they're not that many people. 128 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,200 But, you know, I'm. So it's just interesting that 129 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,280 you have that and, you know, also we live in the yeah. 130 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like my situation is the 131 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,720 exception, not for all. I think there's far more people 132 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,640 out there that are like, I don't want to keep in touch with high 133 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,720 school people than there are. Like again, our town is just a 134 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,480 little weird little. Microcosm. 135 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,520 Microcosm of just unexpected wholesomeness. 136 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,560 So wholesome. So I mean, it's, it's known for 137 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,880 some horrible things, the temp itself, but, you know, but 138 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,960 that's just, you know, bad reputation. 139 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Yeah. So anyway. 140 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,680 Especially a documentary. And that should be us and. 141 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,160 I don't want to make it. I don't. 142 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,720 I don't make movies. You know me. 143 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,160 I love going to movies. I don't want to know how the 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,160 sausage is made. Production is a lot. 145 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,720 Yeah, having like archive and like keep track of like that and 146 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,520 have a way of editing it and all that stuff. 147 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Although we have a good friend who's an editor, he'd help us 148 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,640 out with that. That's true. 149 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,520 That's true. Maybe we should make some 150 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,560 documentary. I don't know. 151 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,520 I don't. Know. 152 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Oh, that's right, yeah. I can still give you a while to 153 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,640 figure out who I was talking about. 154 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Yeah, it would have. To be a cartoon for him. 155 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,320 Daddy, he can edit real things. We can do so anyway it is. 156 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,720 He It was a great day, great night. 157 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,920 Yeah, it was seeing everybody and meeting people have Facebook 158 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,000 friends with, and it was, yeah, it was a good time. 159 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Yeah, it was nice to see everyone responded well to you 160 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 and was just like, I already know you and it was good. 161 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,480 And I'm like, really? And they, they feel like they 162 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,480 did. And so, yeah, I know it's nice 163 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,760 reconnecting with people like, you know, and hopefully, I don't 164 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,280 know, there's a handful. I feel like we should try to 165 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,720 make a point to see again. And I think we could use the 166 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,760 momentum of the reunion be like, hey, we should get dinner. 167 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,360 Like the wedding exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 168 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Like we had so many people at our wedding that were like, 169 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,920 well, we'll come visit you sometime. 170 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 And then we made a point of actually going back east and 171 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,120 seeing them. So which means we also have to 172 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,800 go to Boston sometime. We do. 173 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,280 We do. We have a lot of places we need 174 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,120 to go. Portland The. 175 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Provincetown, Boston. My Provincetown. 176 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Because they were saying, oh. Yeah, I don't know. 177 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,000 I feel like sometimes people are just like you guys are gay. 178 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,400 You'd love Provincetown. Well, it's a quickie little town 179 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,240 and I think, you know, like that. 180 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,000 Nothing. I know it's a it's a nice place. 181 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,240 I've been there during the offseason. 182 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,600 I'm sure we will like. So but speaking, yes. 183 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,920 So reconnecting and reuniting, do you really get into the Off 184 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Camera Stuff podcast today with Katie or just save that for 185 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,360 after? I mean, I feel like, I don't 186 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,600 know, Everything else that happened on this episode just 187 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,240 seems like complete fluff and irrelevant. 188 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Yeah. Like yeah, they meant like, OK, 189 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,720 I guess we just start because it started at Katie meeting Jen 190 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,520 today. At the very beginning, Katie 191 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,360 shows up to meet Jen for and she brings with her the proof. 192 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,120 Which isn't really proof, which isn't good, which makes you seem 193 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,120 like you're just a liar. As Gina said, you know, it's 194 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,360 only somebody. Not that she does, but her 195 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,600 theory that if you think of think in that was in those 196 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,400 terms. But I'm going to set somebody 197 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,560 up, which Katie has never done, by the way. 198 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,240 At least. You know, then you're going to 199 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,560 think others are trying to set you up. 200 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,200 I can't remember our stance on this last week about the set, 201 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,200 the possibility to set up. It is weird that this dude also 202 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,320 did the polygraph for Beverly Hills. 203 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,760 It is weird that he also did the polygraph on it's reality show 204 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,720 that Gretchen was on. It just means he's a reality 205 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,760 show horror, basically. So do I think things are 206 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,360 manipulated? I don't know the whole thing, 207 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,320 which is dark. And weird, our stance last week, 208 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,720 my stance anyway, was that polygraphs, polygraphs aren't 209 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,360 reliable. They don't prove an actual 210 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,440 thing. I recognize that guy as being 211 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,640 the one from Beverly Hills. Like the whole idea. 212 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,760 Polygraph or no polygraph, actor or no actor, we're still on a 213 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,680 reality show. The producers can edit together 214 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,800 whatever the hell they want and they can point whatever 215 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,600 narrative they want to make the most juicy kind of storyline 216 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,920 happened. So housewives or not, I, I feel 217 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,720 like that's happened. I, I, I was going to say we 218 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,960 could skip over Katie and all of her appearances on podcasts and 219 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,840 everything today, but I really think it comes down to like, I 220 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,960 think we need to talk about it because I believe Katie, I 221 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,320 believe in all of this. And I, I think that it's just 222 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:13,960 difficult. And it, it's going to be 223 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,560 difficult for me to watch the rest of the season if they keep 224 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:21,160 coming back to this whole narrative that Katie lied about 225 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,160 this and that Gretchen is telling the truth. 226 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,200 Because even watching Tamara and Gretchen talk towards the end, 227 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,720 it just was making my skin crawl that like Gretchen's quote, UN 228 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,480 quote getting away with this. Like she's sitting there the 229 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,600 entire time wanting Tamara to take accountability for stuff 230 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,760 the whole entire time. Refused to admit that she said 231 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,320 that. Oh, I might have misspoken. 232 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,680 Like, no, no, no, no. You said you went to the 233 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:49,080 hospital. I believe Katie, when she says 234 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,080 that Gretchen told all this, it makes complete sense to me with 235 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 slain calling 100 million times trying to cover this all up. 236 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,600 I just feel like Katie's getting the real raw end of this deal 237 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,440 and I don't like seeing it happened. 238 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,240 It's really awkward to the fact that she's just they're trying 239 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,480 to dismiss her so easily beyond the Gretchen overall, just you 240 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,160 know, at the beginning episode, I just started with Gretchen and 241 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Emily meeting for those stupid testosterone. 242 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,720 I know is that at the beginning? Yeah, and basically saying, you 243 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,360 know, you know, get you saying alive if she's around, I'm not 244 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,000 going to come around, which is very ingenitive. 245 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,920 Her last year with Kristen Kristen but you know Emily is 246 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,040 saying like you know, hopefully she can just be gone and it's 247 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:36,240 like this the ease of which you were trying to dismiss and I 248 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,680 somebody out because you perceive everything they're 249 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:45,920 saying is a lie when that you don't know that for sure and can 250 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,080 you make mistakes yes how she lied yes is she the is she a 251 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,360 terrorist No is she. An artist. 252 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,720 No, but you're acting like it she is and that she's the worst. 253 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,080 The worst and you to rid her of your out of your lives because 254 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,640 she's just like, right. Like she's worse than Jin Shaw, 255 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,840 she's worse than Kelly Dodd. She's just like, Oh my God, 256 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,280 worse than Alexis Blina in Shannon's mind. 257 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,920 Her mere presence somehow just sullies your, you know, 258 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,120 sensibility. Right. 259 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Yeah. It's really, really hard to take 260 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,680 and I it's like from kicking her out of the house last year or 261 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:27,040 last episode to now. I just, I don't, I hope they 262 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,560 just don't mention her at all. Like, I think, you know, the the 263 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,480 sit down with Jen, if I were sure I wouldn't even like 264 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,120 brought up the fact that this could have been a setup or these 265 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,920 were her actors. It doesn't really do anything 266 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,160 because really, when it comes down to it, she I think Katie 267 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,400 cares about Jen. I don't think she's bullshitting 268 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,680 about that. She cares about Jen. 269 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,160 She put a lot of effort, energy and revealed a lot of herself in 270 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,760 that friendship, and it's hard to let that go. 271 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,800 And so she went in there like wanting to salvage things, and 272 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,680 Jin went in there wanting to break up with her. 273 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,400 Like that was a break. Yeah, that was a break. 274 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Thoughts about break? We've had a lot of good times 275 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,800 together. Right, you know, and you. 276 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 I really value what we, you know, but like, she wants to 277 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,040 break up with her. She because. 278 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,280 Oh, Gretchen. Yeah. 279 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,840 And because she wants to keep rising to the top is like, I 280 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,400 can't, yes, I can't align myself with this thing that is Katie 281 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,720 so. One of the things that Katie 282 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,320 brought up on either the podcast, maybe both of them, 283 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,600 she's on The Vile Files and she's on 2TS today. 284 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Who? Better be one on 2TS. 285 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Two TS. I agree what she did now I'm 286 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,240 going to forget what she brought up. 287 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Totally derailed me, as did the 2 beers I had earlier. 288 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,720 No. So one of the things she brought 289 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:47,320 up was that dearment. Well, keep talking, I'll it'll 290 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,480 come back about masters. No. 291 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,080 Oh, I was just I I got the impression from her talking with 292 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,480 Jen is that Jen very much doesn't want to lose the show 293 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,480 that they were all very much not. 294 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,560 They all but like Slade, Gretchen were very concerned 295 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,400 about the fact that like what she brought up about Tamara 296 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,920 possibly drug drugging her was very aligned with Candy and 297 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Phaedra, the whole thing with Atlanta which got Phaedra fired. 298 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,480 And so they were, it seems very, it seems likely to me that Slade 299 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,240 and Gretchen are trying to protect and make sure they don't 300 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,400 get kicked off the show, that they get any sort of, you know, 301 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,560 consideration to continue with the show, Especially at the end 302 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,800 of this episode where Gretchen brings up that, like, the things 303 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Tamara has said has prevented Kate from getting job. 304 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Kate Slate getting a job. Yeah. 305 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,080 And so they just seem very desperate to manage this image. 306 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,280 And so I can see it being likely that Slate and Gretchen have 307 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,360 like scared the living crap out of Jen and said, if you don't go 308 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,600 along with this, you're going to be involved with it too. 309 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,080 And you're and you're not going to have this income either. 310 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,880 And whereas Katie isn't as worried about that. 311 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,840 So she can go ahead and, you know, break ranks, so to speak, 312 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,240 But Jen is very much going to go ahead and toe the line, for lack 313 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,360 of better words, so that she doesn't have any possible, you 314 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,920 know, Gray area that she supported as a drug narrative. 315 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Well also too, as Katie said that Jen cares more about her 316 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,360 hatred for Tamra than the truth, so she's going to split it 317 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,640 whichever way. I you know, on the on the two TS 318 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,000 podcast, Katie said that, you know, Jen and Gretchen were so 319 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,880 united in their hatred for Tamra and that's what they were 320 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,240 talking about. I completely believe that 321 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:48,280 masters that are maestros masters was like 90 percent, 95% 322 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,200 talking shit about Tamera and Gretchen Slade wanted to be back 323 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,320 in the show so badly and it was secure their spot. 324 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 And they don't want to do anything too controversial. 325 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,120 They just want to like, you know, have her do have a good 326 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,480 season so that she can get it or it's basically her audition 327 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,280 because her actual audition. Was the Morocco girl trip. 328 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Which we'll never see. Yeah. 329 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Hello. Hell's frozen over. 330 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,240 I believe Vicki. Yeah. 331 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,520 That Slade was, as Vicki said on her podcast, that Slade was 332 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,240 reaching out during the Morocco Girls Trip to producers saying, 333 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,600 trying to invent drama to help out Gretchen, to keep her, you 334 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,840 know, because he's not what Girls Trip did for Tamra and the 335 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,520 Brookshires. And he wants to repeat that. 336 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Yeah. So this whole thing was like, 337 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,280 let's propel Gretch into a full time spot because they probably 338 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,560 need that money. Yeah. 339 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,200 You know, because apparently Slade can't get a job. 340 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,440 Yeah. So. 341 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,880 That's totally Tamara's fault. Totally Tamara's fault every. 342 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Time someone goes ahead and tries to check his background. 343 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,320 Somehow it comes up that 15 years ago, Tamara called him a 344 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,360 deadbeat dad. Let me pull up Peacock and find 345 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,840 the episode from 2011 and. What does he do for work anyway? 346 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,320 Do you know? Do you remember? 347 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,640 I don't know. Yeah. 348 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,880 So I mean neither here nor there. 349 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,359 I just think it's complete BS. And then on top of it, I know 350 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,440 we're jumping around, but I don't know that I have the 351 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,200 patience to go through chronologically, but let's. 352 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Go and get back. For that whole conversation at 353 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,359 the end between Tamara and Gretchen just had me pissed off 354 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,440 in general because Gretchen keeps wanting Tamara to take 355 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,599 accountability for the things that she said, but Gretchen was 356 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,840 not acknowledging anything and her part in anything. 357 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,000 And as someone who believes Katie that Gretchen actually 358 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,160 said this. Oh wait. 359 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Also as someone who believes the words that came out of 360 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,360 Gretchen's mouth on camera. But she misspoke. 361 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,840 But to have her sit there and deny, deny, deny this after she 362 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,080 said it, I'm just, I can't. I just can't with it. 363 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,120 And so to have Tamara swallow a bit, fine, let's move, let's 364 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,000 move forward. I'm not going to enjoy this. 365 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,800 I can't wait for it to explode. I do not want to see Gretchen on 366 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,920 the show another season if this is how it's going to be. 367 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,440 She's just not. She's not a good character. 368 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,400 Like she's just not. Not a good character I think. 369 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Last, you meant to say? Yes, there's just something 370 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:16,600 about her that is just slimy and swarmy and, yeah, like, and just 371 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,920 lying, just lying so badly and. You know in. 372 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,480 Acting so badly. I think what it is as well, and 373 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,640 a lot of people have said this is that, you know, I think, and 374 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,040 we have in the past, when all these shows go dark and get 375 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,560 dark, it's when the actual production of the show becomes a 376 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,880 storyline, when there's like people manipulating the truth so 377 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,560 that they can continue to be seen in a certain light. 378 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,320 And I think where we like the shows is when they admit to it 379 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,200 and that's light and fluffy or it's just petty drama that like, 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,560 who cares if I said that? And in these things, like the 381 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,640 things that are being brought up are actual serious things where 382 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,320 people wouldn't care if he said that. 383 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Let's go back to the things where you said like, OK, I know 384 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,560 it's cancelable and very different in certain situations. 385 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,800 But if we went back talking about the, you know, Tamra's 386 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 pulling up that picture of Jen, That's not, that's some darker 387 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,680 stuff, but it's not as dark as this like. 388 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,160 It's petty. It's. 389 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,520 Petty. But there's a way you can come 390 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,120 back from saying, you know, saying like, I was just trying 391 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,320 to show that you were a bad dresser and you didn't look as 392 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,680 good as you do now. Like you've had a glow up, right 393 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,440 and. So there's ways to get back to 394 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,800 it, but it just, I'm tired of this whole like manipulating the 395 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,360 story so that you can have a position on the show. 396 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,680 What's also necessary? It's because it's a story from 397 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,000 years ago, like 1213, whatever. Yeah, we had though. 398 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,880 And it's so it's that it's what you said also like making 399 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,800 production basically a story. And it's also investing so much 400 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,720 energy in things that happened off camera, right, Which 401 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,520 production hates, right? This matches in there was not 402 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,600 filmed, right. So we only have, she said, she 403 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,440 said, you know. And again, it's this whole. 404 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520 What was film was Gretchen saying she went to the hospital? 405 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,320 There's no misspeaking around that, right? 406 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,120 I'm just, I just stand out with it. 407 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,720 And so like, I don't know, like I kind of feel like Shannon must 408 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,840 have felt at the end of this episode where she's like, great, 409 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,760 now I'm the only one who looks like an asshole. 410 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,920 Now you. Know just like. 411 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,880 Like everyone else is pretending, but Shannon's 412 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,160 actually sticking to her guns and being like, I don't want to 413 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,440 move forward because the way Tamara treated me was bad. 414 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,000 And seeing those trailers where Tamara's bringing it up again. 415 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,120 Look, I love Tamra so much, but I cannot with her. 416 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,120 She should never, after last year, talk about Shannon's 417 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,000 drinking ever. It's never going to look good. 418 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,240 I don't care if you're swooping in and grabbing the keys out of 419 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Shannon's hands where she goes on a drunk driving spree, it's 420 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,760 not going to look good for you ever because of what you did. 421 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,520 The audience has this notion because you were so aggressive 422 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,120 towards her and like to bring it up and then to throw Gina on 423 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:07,440 them us which is funny like it's no why would you even like like 424 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,240 I hope it's like on episode and it's and they move past it right 425 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,920 because I don't need to go back to that yeah but we never need 426 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,920 to go back to that. What Shannon saw out her old 427 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,840 issues with drinking, whatever they might be, but. 428 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,840 That's for business, I have to say. 429 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:28,400 Like, I'm kind of looping back. I'm really irritated that 430 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,440 Tamra's letting Gretchen off the hook for the sake of moving 431 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,200 forward. It's like, I'll move forward if 432 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,640 you admit that you had a part in this, that like just be I, I 433 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,360 just have a problem with being gas lit by people in general. 434 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,200 Like in real life. It's happened to me. 435 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,520 I had a friend who used to lie to me all the goddamn time. 436 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,560 He's dead now, so I don't have to worry about that happening 437 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,600 anymore. But I'm just saying like it just 438 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,360 I don't sit there and talk to me like I'm a fucking idiot 439 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,920 because, well, that's, that's me. 440 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,440 The fastest way to get me to stop being your friend. 441 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Well, it's like, you know, more like we're bringing up, kept 442 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,120 bringing up like, you know, it's like this to that. 443 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,000 And like, by the way, you know, we sat down and we actually, I 444 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,360 apologize for this. And Gretchen is just so stuck in 445 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,280 the past. So I think Tamara had to move on 446 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,680 either. She doesn't necessarily want to 447 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,200 fully have a relationship with this woman. 448 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,000 She needs to move on for the sake of the show and her sanity. 449 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,040 And also she has bigger things that are more important than 450 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,240 Gretchen being pissed at her because she called the slay the 451 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,440 deadbeat dad in 2011. Like period. 452 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,520 But again, so I mean things I will not let go in general. 453 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,240 And on this podcast right now, and if I were Tamara, again, 454 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:41,240 it's not like Tamara made-up the fact that Slade's ex had to do a 455 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,120 GoFundMe for her child's funeral service. 456 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,560 Like if Slade was such a stand up guy, why did that have to 457 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,280 happen? And let's just say for the sake 458 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,920 of argument that his ex like totally manipulated the 459 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,320 situation, totally made that up, didn't need that money and just 460 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,120 was using as an excuse to get money, right? 461 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,680 What does Slade have to say about it? 462 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,080 I've never heard a single word about it. 463 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,800 He does not address it. I've never seen it, never read 464 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,320 it. They they don't even bring it 465 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,960 up. So all they sit there and do is 466 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,840 this horrible Republican thing that we keep saying out there 467 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,560 where, yes, this is a fact, but we're just not going to address 468 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,520 it. We're going to go ahead and say 469 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,280 it never happened. It's fake news. 470 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,600 No, that happened. So for me, it just drives me 471 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,680 nuts that Tamara's letting Gretchen off the well. 472 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,640 Because that's because Gretchen Tamara didn't like pull this out 473 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,120 of nowhere. She, you know, she's had 474 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,480 examples of, of slave being a deadbeat dad. 475 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,440 So it's not a lie. But I mean, I guess the only 476 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,280 solace I'll take in it for Tamara moving on is that these 477 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,800 two do not deserve any more conversation. 478 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Right. Slain and Gretchen. 479 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Yes, yes, yes. Agreed. 480 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Because just having them on the show period and hearing about 481 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,920 his crooked Dick and like, whatever. 482 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,560 And she it's cute to be all like, no. 483 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,880 Nothing about her is is is cute. It's just, it's weird. 484 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,720 Like she's just odd to me. Yeah, like it's, but that's 485 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,320 that. Yeah, yeah. 486 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720 And then I'm disappointed, you mentioned it earlier. 487 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,280 I'm disappointed with the tack that Emily's taking about the 488 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,680 whole dismissive, you know. So dismissive. 489 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,320 So dismissive. And just how quickly she's just 490 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,840 like want to be buddy buddy with, with Gretchen, it's like. 491 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,120 Let's get shots in the butt together. 492 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,760 No, I Emily's best. I mean, it's a horrible thing 493 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,040 that's going on with her, but her what I care about with Emily 494 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,200 is her storyline with her son and him getting better and like 495 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,920 trying to sort that out and this whole Katie thing. 496 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,960 I just don't want them to bring Katie up at all. 497 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,960 You know, of course she's going to come up throughout the 498 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,440 season. I'm sure we won't see her until 499 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800 that sit down on camera. What's going to happen on 500 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,840 camera? Rock my words. 501 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,200 But I I don't want to hear them. Just basically call this woman 502 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,960 everything but a child. God, it's just it's gross and I 503 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,040 it's just it's all when it's and freaking Heather like and I like 504 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,360 how the most part, but I don't need your intents and humor with 505 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,920 this and like my husband is also adopted. 506 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,560 Like just stop it. It's valid. 507 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,040 I can see what she's saying. So that's. 508 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,400 Also. That's all sort of bad tag that 509 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,320 Katie took of I was set up. You agree with that fully? 510 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,640 I don't think she was set up, but I, I do believe that it is 511 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,080 notable and it was worth her bringing up that like these are 512 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,640 people for hire and they are actors and we're on a reality 513 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,600 show. So for everyone here to be 514 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,480 saying that this is the gospel truth, that what happened with. 515 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,360 The lawyer, right, Emily. Exactly. 516 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,400 That is just preposterous. Yeah. 517 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,240 So first, yeah, things that are not admissible, things that are 518 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,320 provenly unreliable. So to sit there and be like, oh, 519 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,080 on top of it, these people that administer lie detectors for 520 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,960 entertainment value. I wouldn't have taken like she 521 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,920 made a mistake by taking that, that tact. 522 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Yeah, I wouldn't have even. I wouldn't have shown up with. 523 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,960 Anytime anyone shows up with an envelope full of screenshots, it 524 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,200 never. Goes well, it never I think you. 525 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Should have just made the argument that I just made that 526 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,480 like, these are entertainers who happen to do polygraphs, so why 527 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,480 would we believe that it is, you know, 100% infallible? 528 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,520 And Italy, guilty people have passed polygroms and as far as 529 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,960 yeah, it's not reliable, you know, I am not lying. 530 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,920 And she, you know, she said that I think on both file files and 531 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,240 two TS that she's going to die on the hill that she didn't 532 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,160 speak to Kiki, which I thought was really surprising. 533 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,640 I was like, I thought she was going to admit that she did 534 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240 speak to Kiki, right. And well, in terms of she meant 535 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,400 she spoke her, but she has said I did not tell her about the 536 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,000 Gretchen thing, about the naked waste of being drunk thing. 537 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760 So I'm like, oh, OK, we're dying out of the animal. 538 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,920 I guess it's OK and. It doesn't. 539 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,160 To me also, it's absolutely irrelevant whether who told who 540 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,360 Gretchen said it. And no one is holding Gretchen 541 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,160 to the fire. Everyone she. 542 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,680 Said everyone just believed that Gretchen didn't say it. 543 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 It's so interesting. Because Jen, 'cause they. 544 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,160 Think it anymore like Jen, Emily, Gina and Shannon there's 545 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,280 like, and Shannon heard it with her own 2 ears and she's still 546 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,000 just like OK but I mean that's what you said to me but I'm just 547 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,640 gonna let it go. It's so interesting. 548 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,000 I just think Shannon's letting it go. 549 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,320 I think Shannon this season is mostly checked out. 550 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,160 I mean, I think he's just kind of like. 551 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,440 Well, should I realize some season last year so. 552 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,120 So I mean, she gets a little bit of it. 553 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,520 I mean, does she get to invite her daughter to the beach party 554 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,640 and be like Leslie? Wasn't invited to that beach 555 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,040 party. OK, Like what? 556 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,920 Look, I'm not going to callus I am very glad that GSX husband 557 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760 did not die of a heart attack. Oh, absolutely. 558 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,200 You know, for his sake, for the children's sake. 559 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,680 I didn't need to see his wife show up twice. 560 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,200 I didn't. I'm very happy for you, ma'am, 561 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600 that your husband didn't die, but I don't need to have him 562 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,960 crying at this beach, whatever that was the. 563 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,640 Beach croissant lunch. Would be with like that I'm 564 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,720 like, oh it's Heather's friend and like Jen's friend. 565 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520 All these are randos and then Sophie shows up and I'm like. 566 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,200 What are we doing? You do not like random. 567 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520 I hate. Random housewife guests, I mean 568 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,320 will not affect the plot at all. Atlanta did that two seasons ago 569 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 during like, it was like kind of during her. 570 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,360 It was just, it's wack. The one random housewife guest 571 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,040 we wanted was the real estate agent from Orange County. 572 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,880 She was the best. She was the best because she sat 573 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,280 there like, whoa, what's going on? 574 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,000 She was great when she was. Made her bag a lot of color. 575 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,720 I also have to say, I hate giving it to Gretchen, but 576 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880 Gretchen's right. I mean, Joe isn't just showing 577 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,840 up because Tamra's besties. Oh, right. 578 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Yeah, I mean, but girl, what do you expect? 579 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000 And it's funny that, like, they don't interact at all. 580 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Yeah, well, they just shows up. I like, oh, like, hey, how you 581 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,160 doing? Nothing. 582 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600 And I, I like Tal Jude like we don't need, we don't need to 583 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,160 hear about Joe's words. Grant this. 584 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,840 They love showing that couch clip. 585 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I enjoyed seeing that 586 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,200 clip from the reunion of Andy. And Oh my God when slave, you 587 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,240 are delusional if you think you left the show. 588 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,120 Yeah, of your own choice. There's no room. 589 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,320 Oh my, yeah. He's just a sleazebag. 590 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,480 I mean, that's a bit strong, isn't it? 591 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600 I mean, do we know, do we know anything other than what we've 592 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,640 heard on podcasts And we've seen that true from the bloggers? 593 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960 We thought like that freaking that that is horrible. 594 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,960 Stand up. What I'll tell you in Ashland 595 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,880 and he's and he called like I remember that season he called 596 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,840 Mickey and his piggy. He's a whore. 597 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,000 He's just, I don't know. I'm not saying he's a horrible 598 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,560 person. He's just, he's sliding. 599 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,840 Well, we also know he's not funny. 600 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,240 That's the one thing that we can guarantee. 601 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,640 Yes, and he was blowing out Matt's phone. 602 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,720 I live out that. Now I was not weirded out that 603 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,720 bat has my spicy Asian as. I think why you even get you 604 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600 were like my my hockey black husband. 605 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,800 I would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm. 606 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,480 Like, no, it's a bit much. I mean, at least. 607 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,120 If you're OK with it, fine, but it's just weird. 608 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,440 I'd also change it before I knew a camera was. 609 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,360 I don't, I'd be like, honey, I don't want to put off the wrong 610 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,880 you know thing, even though you and I are cool with it because, 611 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,360 you know, I do call you my hunky black husband all the time. 612 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,880 All the time. All the time. 613 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,480 Yeah, that was a little bit weird, but I have to say like. 614 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120 The amount of slave calls. The amount of slave calls is 615 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000 very suspicious. If you're not freaking out 616 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840 trying to like do damage control, why would you call 617 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,560 someone so many times in a row? So many like just missed call? 618 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,760 Missed call, is it? That just was weird, yes. 619 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,120 So again, they're just something's not right with the 620 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,160 buttermilk. Is no the bottle something in 621 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,960 the bottle? Is something in the buttermilk 622 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,120 ain't clean? And and it's because it's Slade 623 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,520 something that buttermilk is crooked. 624 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Slade Slade drug the buttermilk. Yeah, no, hey, you can't say 625 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,120 that. No, allegedly. 626 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,000 I mean, I was, I might get so sick I might go to the hospital. 627 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,920 I might need to go to the hospital, but I'm not going to 628 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,120 go to the hospital. Didn't say that. 629 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,720 I misspoke you guys. My headband was too tight, what 630 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,200 I was saying. Yeah, I just, I, I'm, I'm not 631 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,920 liking again, you know, I, I if we find out later that Katie was 632 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,600 lying and lying and lying and this is all a big thing, I will 633 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 eat my hat. But it just again, this just 634 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,960 seems too much. It's. 635 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Don't like the pile on? I do not. 636 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,400 Pile on and the most interesting scenes were the Katy scenes. 637 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Yeah, everything else I'm like, I mean, Shed and Tamra made-up, 638 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,120 you know? I don't believe. 639 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600 I don't believe that either. Because we know Janet hates her 640 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:52,920 and met with our other fellow I hate Tamra club member and like, 641 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,520 no, she's never going to get over it. 642 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,960 It was 2 beers. I supposed to you off before 643 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Those two, Gretchen and Jen are so stuck in the past and so 644 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440 stuck on their hatred for something that Tamra did to 645 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,240 them. And not that she didn't do bad 646 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,600 things to them, but you also did some funky shit too. 647 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,160 Yeah. But they're so stuck on it, they 648 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,400 will never move forward. Tamra, on the other hand, is 649 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,640 like, I may not like these chicks, but this is my job. 650 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,960 I'm moving forward and once it and also too, I have a more 651 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,280 important things to deal with, like getting over my my issues 652 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,760 and therapy so that I can have a better life for me and for my 653 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,040 family. That is more important than 654 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,560 fighting with Gretchen about shit that happened on 20 briefly 655 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,080 and like when Obama was president. 656 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,960 Yeah. I don't know. 657 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000 My, my thing is though, is that I think he, I think there's a 658 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,360 time when you it's, it's OK to kind of go along to get along, 659 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360 but I think there comes a point where you got to stop being 660 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520 letting people walk over you. Not that Tamara's ever been 661 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,240 accused of that, but I'm just saying like this is just, I 662 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160 don't know, Tamara's been messy and really handled things poorly 663 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,000 in the past. And I don't think the way that 664 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360 she, I think she could have played things better, but I 665 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,920 think that this, I think letting this go is a bad idea. 666 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,600 You know, well, the thing with Tamara is that she's right, but 667 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440 her delivery is wrong. Yeah. 668 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,800 And so it eliminates the the validity of her argument 669 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,360 because, you know, even in the trailer and I'm. 670 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,280 I'm curious to see like what's this all how this all goes down 671 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,720 when she's like screaming like fuck you to to Gretchen and like 672 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 basically almost like getting getting out of her face and so. 673 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,480 I had to hold her back. Yes, like I'm sure she has was 674 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,200 right with that. But like Eric, it just looks 675 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,800 like Adela Tama is doing this. It's her Altama's bringing up. 676 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,760 Shana's drinking like. It's because when she starts 677 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,240 doing it, she just has a very, very childish risk reaction. 678 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Like, it's very, very emotionally charged and 679 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,840 adolescent, almost like, you know, like high school girls 680 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,440 fighting. And it's like, she could. 681 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,000 Yeah. And it's not just her. 682 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000 It's a lot of the housewives like I think Teresa has the same 683 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600 problem on New Jersey. Is that like she gets so like 684 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,040 upset that she just overloves. It's like if if if they could 685 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560 just calmly. I want to see it happen because 686 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,560 I just when people are right, I want them to be right. 687 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,760 And I really don't feel, really feel what Gretchen and Jen are 688 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,280 doing is because. That's one of the thing, 689 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,440 whatever Gretchen and and Jen get into an argument with 690 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Tamara, they are very, very calm. 691 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920 Like at the beach, you know, Gretchen was like, no, Tamara, 692 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,800 you did this and you did that. And, you know, luckily Tamara 693 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,320 was fine. And then, you know, rise up and 694 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,000 with her anger. But like, it very well could 695 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,800 have gone that way, you know, And then Gretchen be like, see, 696 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480 she's just like flopping handle, you know, she's not changed at 697 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,760 all. Therapy's not working. 698 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,600 And then, you know, anything right that Tamara said or did, 699 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,199 it just goes thrown out the window. 700 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,880 So yeah, she would say that she was like fairly calm at 3 Union 701 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,680 last year. So I think she needs to have 702 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,520 more of that energy. Yeah, yeah, I agree. 703 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,760 But what else? What happened in the trailer 704 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,400 though? Oh, I don't really remember. 705 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,760 I think this they've been talking about something, it's 706 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,280 really dark happening at the end of the season and you I think 707 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480 they kind of elite get on. And said what it might be. 708 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,280 They will do. You have an idea what? 709 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,080 It might. I have no idea. 710 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,280 I don't want to. I don't want to spoil. 711 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,040 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 712 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560 I mean, I just, I look forward to a girls trip, that's always. 713 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:28,920 Nice. Yeah. 714 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,400 Damn. That'll be good. 715 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,480 And then, yeah, I don't really know what else really happens. 716 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560 It wasn't a lot of people were thinking like, you know, kitties 717 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,560 on it and like, what the hell? So it will be odds. 718 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,840 It's it's awkward. It's an awkward season. 719 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Yeah, you know, with the cast. So hopefully it's in. 720 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200 Proves. Like I thought like to go from 721 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,960 that like the high drama of last week to like this this guy like. 722 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520 Well, I mean, there's got to be, you know, it's got to be 723 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,840 Crescendos and that of the valley, so you can enjoy the 724 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,160 peaks, right? But yeah, I just, I feel like, I 725 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,040 don't know, I just I sing someone out all together. 726 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,960 That was another interesting thing Katie said. 727 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,760 Or I think on the Vile files was like, or maybe Vile, Nick Vile 728 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,800 said it was like, how why would anyone want to come on this show 729 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120 if this is how they're going to be treated, right? 730 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960 Like what do the other women think is going to happen? 731 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,520 Like it's similar to what happens to New Jersey with like, 732 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,320 was it New Jersey or Potomac where it's like you got these 733 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,640 new people on and you keep icing them out. 734 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,240 It's like it's not can't just be you guys forever. 735 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680 We've already read. That you can have the, you can 736 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,840 have the core members, but you can't, well, the housewives 737 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,400 can't be 4 people, you know. So anything is tell me. 738 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,720 Because it's like we're saying, like we know with Monique and 739 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,360 with Wendy and with Candace, people were trying to be pushed 740 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,960 out. And it's like you're not doing 741 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,480 what the show is supposed to be, what's supposed to be done 742 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,840 right, conflict and the resolution. 743 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,680 You're just like hovering on the conflict. 744 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,440 I mean, I don't want to use a Karen Huger analogy, but it's 745 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,160 like there's a pie, right? Right. 746 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,520 And then you take half the pie and put it in the freezer. 747 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,080 Now I'm I'm just seeing what it feels about it. 748 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,480 But now it's that whole idea of scarcity and how, you know, a 749 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,680 lot of people operate from. There's not enough to go around 750 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480 for everybody. There's enough housewives to go 751 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,120 around. If you bring on another 752 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,720 housewife, you can still get the same amount of time. 753 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,600 Just be interesting. Just because that housewife 754 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920 isn't there doesn't mean they're going to focus on your story. 755 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,200 Instead, they're going to focus on something else that's 756 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,080 interesting. And if you're being dull, you're 757 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,520 not going to be focused on and. Also, why would you want to be 758 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,080 the one to cure the entire show? You know, like let it went 759 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:47,080 either equal chance to shine or to bring drama or to be messy 760 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160 because then like you're just expecting you're going to every 761 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,920 dinner party. Like, well, production wants me 762 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,080 to do this right. They want me to, you know, like 763 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,440 the. Especially on a show right now 764 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,120 that's complaining and whining left and right, up and down 765 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,600 that, you know, Tamara is the center of attention. 766 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,880 And it's like, if you don't want Tamara to be the center of 767 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,600 attention, then you need to work on having a show where everyone 768 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,080 gets equal time. And if you're doing your best to 769 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,240 remove people from it, then all that's going to do is make it so 770 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,240 that people are just being, you know, center of attention. 771 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,600 And you're like. You're not a share that's. 772 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,800 Like the savior, that was something from the trailer of 773 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,480 him saying that, you know, Heather's afraid of Tambra, 774 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,360 which I don't believe, you know, calling her a pussy, like 775 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,840 basically saying like, you know, Heather isn't really her friend 776 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,840 or just afraid of her, just afraid of her. 777 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,800 That's really I. They're far away from Gina and 778 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,320 Emily. Well, it's. 779 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,600 What are these strings about? They're trying to get their job. 780 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200 Right. It's I don't know, it's come up 781 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,000 a lot. It's come up years before that 782 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,360 Heather is afraid of Tamara and I don't I don't know that 783 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,680 they're using afraid must be some sort of weird code that 784 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,480 like. Like the Vault? 785 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,560 Well, yeah, exactly. Like she, like she won't cross 786 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,280 Tamara. She won't argue with Tamara 787 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,120 because she knows she'll lose in the edit or something or that 788 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160 the, you know what I mean? It's like there's got to be some 789 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,200 truth to it because Heather has said a few things that kind of 790 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,240 go against her, like pro Tamara, like Tamara's fine. 791 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,880 You know, I'm trying to be the, you know, mediator here sort of 792 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,440 thing. So I believe it's probably true, 793 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,520 but afraid isn't the right. Word no. 794 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,440 And she actually spoke up against Sarah when she left New 795 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,240 Orleans because she said, you know, I've put so much energy 796 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,400 defending you, and now I look like the tool because you just 797 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,680 left. And you know, we won't even 798 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,320 return my calls and give me like, the decency of doing that. 799 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,880 It seems like the easy way out for Emily and Gina and everyone 800 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,960 else is to say she's afraid of Tamara. 801 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,320 When really the fact is there's probably way more nuanced 802 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,280 situation of like, you know, I think to admit that Heather is 803 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,200 justified in supporting Tamara at it then suggests that Tamara 804 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,680 might be right about some things. 805 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080 And their whole narrative wants to be that Tamara's just 806 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,160 irrational and erratic and, you know, completely off the handle. 807 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,840 So I think that's where she's just afraid of Tamara kind of 808 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,920 makes up for. But what do they want? 809 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,640 Do they want Heather to like be against Tamara, like Tamara this 810 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,080 first season back and when they're opposite, you know, 811 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,560 sides? And I mean what? 812 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520 I don't understand that like, just let whoever be friends be 813 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,760 friends. Like don't like focus so much on 814 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680 a friendship. I mean, why is it to you do? 815 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,600 You think that they're just like, do you think Shannon, 816 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,160 Emily and Gina are just kind of bitter that they brought Tamara 817 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200 back at all? Like still. 818 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,280 For maybe two of the people out of that that group, yes, yes. 819 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,440 I mean it's. Awesome. 820 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,640 What girl? Like girls, what were you doing 821 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000 to so that they didn't bring Tamara back? 822 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000 Right. We didn't watch this season, so 823 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,320 we don't know. I just I've heard bad things. 824 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,160 We should just go back and watch when we're bored with nothing 825 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960 else going on. We should just watch like 1 826 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,760 episode a Tamara free like season episode. 827 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,320 Yeah, like season before she came back and just with Noella 828 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,200 and Noella. Who? 829 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,920 Ella. She was a one and done. 830 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,320 Also a woman. But yes, I would be curious 831 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,400 because I won't heard bad things. 832 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,920 Yeah, people who like, can't stand Tamara like that was a 833 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,000 boring season, so. I mean, I don't think that the 834 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,080 one boring season means they should have brought Tamara back. 835 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,800 Let's say it was OK. So that's so we'll have to do 836 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,360 some investigating. Do you need someone who's going 837 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,480 to strike the mouse and so? I mean, that's The thing is that 838 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,680 if no one was moving story and no one really had any sort of 839 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,160 thing like, you know, I don't necessarily support having 840 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,320 camera on the show just so everyone can talk about her. 841 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,720 I'd almost rather her she not be on the show and again, give 842 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,760 other people re ways to shine. But if they had the room to 843 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,280 shine and they didn't, then OK, then this is where the way they. 844 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,800 Were like you don't have camera or you step up or they bring in 845 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,640 somebody new that you have to actually accept who maybe can 846 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,360 move the story. And honestly too, you're going 847 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,920 to need fresh blood anyways. It's like we can't keep doing 848 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,080 the same regurgitation. You're seeing what's happening 849 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480 with Gretchen and Tamara, like it's boring to the audience to 850 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,280 talk about stuff from years past that should have been resolved 851 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,080 years ago. Right. 852 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,640 Right. So I I don't. 853 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,040 I don't. Yeah, I don't know. 854 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560 I do not know. But I'm here to see how it goes. 855 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,000 Then with the thrill of this episode, want to see what 856 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880 happens next? Yeah. 857 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,880 Yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm just too fresh on the, you know, 858 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,920 Katie of it all. And it it's just kind of 859 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,200 irritating me that everyone just so dismissive of it. 860 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960 And I feel, I feel bad. There they do. 861 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,600 Me too. And I want to say if Katie is 862 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,640 telling the truth and you know that, you know, I know which I 863 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,880 feel she is. I just think it's really shitty. 864 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,960 But again, at the same time, well, it's also just convenient. 865 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000 Like the girl who cried wolf. It's like, whatever, like you 866 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,240 guys again, like they've never lied, all that stuff. 867 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,120 Yeah, frustrating. I don't know. 868 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,520 I don't know what the path word is. 869 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,360 I just, yeah, I don't want to say I hope she there's thought 870 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,240 of it. She's got to come back. 871 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,240 She does, I hope. I mean, we haven't gotten to 872 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,880 this part, but I saw a clip of it where Teddy asks Katie, you 873 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,800 know, about, you know, saying if Katie comes back, she'd not 874 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,800 think about coming back. Girl, please. 875 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,880 Yeah, I don't know. We didn't. 876 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,640 Need this job the housinger and selling we. 877 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,200 Don't know that, don't say that. No, that's wrong. 878 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080 I mean, I buy a house just from Gina just to say I bought a 879 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,480 house from Gina, no. One's coming. 880 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,880 I mean, if she, you know, if we move down there, Yeah. 881 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,880 I mean, I'm CS movie. No one counting God soon. 882 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,880 So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 883 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,160 All right. Well, I think we've exhausted 884 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,720 this enough. Yeah, very tired. 885 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,160 We've other things to do. We got to watch Miami. 886 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,440 We had to pod that tomorrow and be crazy. 887 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,640 So until next time. Till next time.