Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Joe.
And we just watched the season 19 premiere 19 of The Real
Housewives of Orange County yes. How is it that I know there's
the season number and like I just.
I know well, I was on the screen every time we like that's.
True like. Fast forwarded or pause I.
Also, I also looked it up because I had to get the artwork
for editing this episode together.
So like, I need a Season 19 thing.
And yeah, so I got it. I made sure.
But also I thought they were making a big deal, that it was
like the 20th season. It's 20.
There's gonna. Yeah, yeah.
Weird like that it's like 20 years but like it's only been 19
seasons. I guess that's because they
cross years. Sometimes I don't know.
I don't. Oh, right.
Yeah, it's like 3 years. And they also had like had a
little bit of a pause with those.
I don't know. But it's not, it's not one of
the ones where I'm like, I know every single season because I've
been, I've not been watching every single season and I'm like
Beverly Hills or Atlanta or whatever.
True. Anyways, OC, excellent season
premiere. Yeah, it was a very good season
premiere. I, I was a little nervous about
watching this after we started watching Miami because Miami
where we don't have any sort of basis or any horse in the game
or whatever, dog in the race, whatever the expression is like
this one. I feel like, oh, well, we know
who the players are and they haven't changed.
So they're like a new, There's no new wife, there's no one.
Well, there's a new well friend. Come along.
But but still like this episode at least and I don't even when
does she come in. I don't even know.
I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't this episode.
Yeah, yeah. But like, there's no one new,
there's no Alexis this season like right off the bat to get
things kicked off. So it's pretty much picking up
where we left off from last season.
So there's nothing really truly unexpected.
So I didn't know how I would feel like I felt like I needed
to be more on top of it than I am with Miami because Miami I
can just sit back and watch and be like, OK, this is cool.
All right, Alexia Dido and then no.
And Marisol said that. But this I feel like I should
have more opinions and I don't really.
No, I have thoughts. Yeah.
I feel like, like you're saying I feel more connected to the
show and to these women. And like, you know, one of my
favorites is on the show. And so I was more anxious about
like, oh, because I I care more about them and I know them
better. And so it just, yeah, it made
me, I mean, I was already like a little anxious today in general.
So, but like, I was like really excited about it.
I'm, you know, still like, have enthusiasm and yeah.
I just feel like because we know who they are, we should have be
able to be a little bit more insightful about it.
But you know, when it comes down to it, it's still Housewives
show but. We have insight.
We were talking about it a bit during the commercials.
Be insightful. No, we have to like, we're not
here to break the mold. It's like offering, you know, we
know what we do. We offer opinions we have, you
know. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not trying. So you know a lot.
You know, like you. Know it's like my new like calm
it down so. My MY1 take away and I I know
I'm be proven wrong that's why I don't want to say it.
I feel really bad for Katie. I don't know why I feel so bad
like it feels like a pile on and it just feels like I don't know
when when Katie explains her actions, at least the ones we've
seen so far, it seems logical. Let like this person reached out
to me and they said that they had the same experience.
And so like I wanted to back up my kid who is being attacked so
I directed her to the right place to do that.
But the more and more I see it happening, even by the end of
this episode, I just feel like Katie isn't she's a little too
stoic. Like she's like, it's as though
she knows something is that her behavior isn't right or that
she's trying just something doesn't feel right.
But at the same time, the women, I think they're really coming
after her heart and with or without reason, I don't know.
Gina is definitely putting herself in the middle of it all
for I guess assuring herself another season.
I don't know, it seems a little early to be playing that game,
but like Gina's being in the middle of all this and I don't
understand why. Because Gina brought her on and
so I feel she feels responsible for the havoc she has.
Not like with the whole idea of, you know, she's my friend.
They weren't like really close friends, but she was connected
to her. I'm so used to there, I'm so
used to there being that whole just being BS that like, oh, we
brought, I brought her on. She's my friend, no.
Let me finish the thought. She's connected to her, SO it's
like you were associated with this person.
It's something to do with like the BS of like she was my
friend. I met her and like mom and mommy
and me. That's bullshit.
It's more so you brought this havoc into the friend group and
now I'm pissed at you. Especially when she started
saying things that oh, but Heather said that Katie told me
that you're only friends with me because you want my real estate
contacts. So and also because Katie is
hurting her best friend Emily. Gina especially is going to get
involved because it Emily matters to her.
Yeah. So think that's why she's so
she's really pissed off on behalf of herself and also on
because of her best friend. If Katie was targeting mainly
Tamra, it wouldn't not the Gina doesn't like Tamra.
It just wouldn't be the same situation.
But you come from her best friend who's going through a
difficult period in when you know with her kid, then it's
going to amp her out because as we saw in the flashbacks, Gina
has been there. So that's why I think she's so
fired up about it. My feeling is I do not like a
pylon. It's very uncomfortable to watch
one person be singled out that way.
And I'm sure it's a possibility that we it will be proven that
she is a liar because things aren't adding up.
And it's beyond even like, you know, I'm looking correctly at
Drew over here, Drew's lies as well.
But it's they're harmless, you know?
Or white lies. Yes, I'm I'm cousins with
Michael Jordan. Katie is spinning and spinning
and spinning. And I said to you, I said this
to you. She's getting in over her head
and she's drowning and the spinning and the lies.
And I don't think she's a bad person.
I don't think it's being malicious.
I don't quite know her motives. I don't think that that's, and
that's it. It's just she's really dug
herself in deep. And I don't blame them for not
trusting her, you know, so, but I do.
It's for me, it's just uncomfortable to watch.
And I, you know, I'm not. Yeah.
It's just I like it. I feel like when Emily and Gina
sat down with her and I did like, like that ambush moment of
it where even Katie was like, whoa, hey, I was not expecting.
Any professional she's like what the F Gina?
But Gina was right. Like it would have given her
time to prepare and everything. But I, I do feel, I don't know,
I feel like Emily and Katie kind of agreed that like even after
Jen's party, that was like, hey, you brought my kid into it.
So I was pissed off. You broke that by bringing up my
kids at the reunion. I was pissed off.
And even Emily was like, that's fine, but that's not how you go
about doing it. So it seems like they're almost
upset with Katie for not abiding by these unwritten rules of
being a housewife. Yeah, I feel like they made
peace at the finale party and then they started watching the
episodes back and things started coming out and whatever,
whatever, whatever. And then we said it last year,
last year, last year, Emily came in loaded for bear at Katie and
the things that she dug up about her and her custody issues and
whatever didn't it's like it didn't.
She should have done it. Yeah, yes.
It's going so low when it has nothing to do with your point.
The point should just be you lied about what my boy said
about Heather not and why did you lose custody of your kids?
It's that tit for tat makes you you're bringing it down to her
level. Just if you're in the truth, I
always say this, live in your truth, be in the truth.
It's just it's the truth. You don't need to like to dig so
deep and ruin someone and I so it's two things.
Emily shouldn't have done that with Katie, but Katie shouldn't
have directed the nanny, the ex nanny to the podcast and
basically decided to hear let me CC you on this e-mail.
You're connected. I agree, but I also, I don't
know part of me, and it's a very small part of me kind of is
rooting for Katie in that. It's only that, Oh, I'm sorry,
I'm not housewifing the way that you want me to housewife.
I'm housewifing my own way and that is by being a little extra
dirty in like exposing all this bullshit behind the scenes in an
Internet by being real of. What bullshit is she really
exposing? That well, then Emily's trying
to hide the fact that this actually happened, that like
this, that Katie's daughter didn't make this up, that her
kids did say this. The nanny is saying that this
happened. I think there could be reason
why that nanny is an ex nanny. Well, that's also true too,
yeah. But I don't think it would be
one thing if there was bullshit to expose.
I haven't seen that, so I can't be on Katie's side with that.
I think she should have just left it at I was pissed.
So I got revenge on you by directing your ex nanny to a
podcast so she could talk horribly about you just be a
just own that. Yeah.
As far as the Tamra stuff of I can, I don't know why I never
spoke to that person. I don't know their name.
But then I know these bloggers names and it's just she's too.
This is also a problem. She's too entrenched in the
outside of housewives. Yeah, yeah.
Working with bloggers, going on podcasts, what have you.
You just need to the show should be the show.
And you adding drama and pulling it from social media and
bloggers, it just gets it so dirty and muddled.
And I don't want to see that. I just want to say you have a
beef with Emily because of XYZ with Heather, XYZ not.
And then I spun some shit with a podcaster and a Blogger and, you
know, I got I'm Dming people. She's just too deep in it.
Yeah. And she's drowning herself.
It's it's not. Good.
She got her Housewife Season 1 orientation from the entire cast
of New Jersey. Yeah.
So it was directly from, yeah. From Jenny Jazz, yeah.
But no, I mean Margaret too. She's healthy as well there.
You're right. That's very.
That's a very. Very.
She's not, she's still, she's not housewiving, right?
She's just not. There's one thing to be said
about doing it your own way. There's another way about
There's another thing to be said about doing it the dumb way, and
she's not doing it in a smart way.
I I, I agree with you there. I guess what I'm trying to say,
though, is that like, there's a very nuanced difference between
the way Emily's talk talking trash and making her look bad.
And it's in the way that Katie's chosen to go about it.
But they're both, at the end of the day, really low.
And so why, like to pick nits and like, make all these, you
know, nuances about, oh, well, you went low in a way that we
just agreed we don't go low. No, you went low, so I went low
with you. But anytime it involves kids,
like on both ends, like I said, it's just you just.
But you get what I'm saying? I told you what you were saying.
Yes. Yeah.
So. But I can, yeah, I feel bad, but
I'm also like, I'm feeling bad from a distance because I think
this is really going to blow up even further into her face.
OK, Bette Midler, from a distance.
From a distance. From a distance.
Katie looked like my. Friend, God is watching you,
Katie, God is watching you from a distance.
So. We started out, oh, it was the
Katie. Oh, it was, wasn't it?
It was Katie and Shannon going shopping.
Cars. Car.
I didn't understand that too. I have 5-6 years and I want
another one. You mean?
Since she had them in the past is what she was saying.
Got it. So she keeps getting another
one. She keeps updating it.
Not she has a fleet of BMW news. I don't think so.
OK, I all I know is I definitely want to make sure our next
dramatic like breakdown of what's going on in our friend's
life is is done at a car dealership like.
I'm sure too, She and Shannon probably took some pictures for
social media and you know, I they sure they like.
Come down to Donaldson BMW where the housewives fight, whatever.
The While We're Here, I thought we could talk about Emily,
because what is that car door? Where I mean where they must be
really running out of like destinations to be all like,
hey, I'm going to get my I need someone to fill the air in my
tires. How about we go to the BMW
dealership? Let me call service ma'am.
Also to hear a grown woman be like, is there someone who can
put air in my tires? Like, yeah, it's called you go
to or go to the TikTok shop and get that thing that I felt
scandal for and. Is has had Earl like left her
life by then. Probably.
Was it Earl? Yeah, Earl, even still involved.
With they visited each other and then they just grew apart.
That was the the ending of Love Hotel.
What was the timing with relation to the filming, do you
know? Had to be before.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
I think she probably went to Love Hotel straight after the
reunion and then. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
So Earl never taught her how to put air in her tires.
Yes, I've told you this in the past.
I in high school, this girl was dating a friend of mine and she
said and she I can't do her voice.
So that like making it extra no, even though she's not that
whiny, but she's like, she was just all like, oh, at lunch
today, will you teach me how to pump gas?
And I was like, are you kidding me?
Teach you how to pump gas? Like if we were from like Oregon
or New Jersey, where you weren't allowed to do that, fine.
We're from California, do you not?
Look. Oh do.
You not look at your parents when they do it, OK?
You go out there, you open the thing, you put like, it's not
that hard. Can you pump your own gas in
Jersey? Jersey was one of the states.
I don't know if they still can. I know the pandemic changed a
lot of that for Oregon and Jersey.
Right, I would be and it. Might have just been certain
counties in New Jersey that wouldn't allow you to do it.
I don't remember the details, but yeah, it was always a trick
going to Oregon for work where I was like, oh, right.
I I'd be wait, I'd be late for the airport and like I gotta
wait for this guy to pump my gas.
I feel like, yeah, I've seen that before.
Maybe when we were in Portland, yeah, way back when, 2018.
Yeah, they definitely had to pump our gas then.
But anyway, yeah, not knowing to put air in your tires, MRR, I
mean, not had put the right amount of air, that's excusable,
but you should at least be able to put air in your tires.
It's pretty standard ugly. So.
Speaking of air, Gina connected with the wind.
What was that even did? She paint with all her colors of
the she may. Have that.
She liked the wind. Did.
Was she blowing kisses in the wind?
So many winds. So where did she connect with
the wind she would abolish? She went to Bali.
Why? Did she abolish?
Probably to think and you know, she was in turmoil last season.
I'm not making fun of it because there was a lot of shit going
down with traps. His ex making them past it but
now OK. Did you and I both not gasp?
We let out the gayest gasp ever when we were like, and then we
decided to move back in together.
We're not going to go. What do you mean?
Yeah, like after everything you put us through last season.
You put us through. You had to get away.
You had to separate for your children because of the toxicity
of Travis's ex so that you couldn't be together or live
together, and now you're living together.
And you renovated your kids room to give them more space and then
you move them. And then you left.
I know you're a real estate agent, but come on.
I mean, I actually. I like eat the backsplash in her
ass. Very.
Nice. Yeah, it was very nice.
I have to say I'm very happy for her.
I do think that the conclusion she came to was a very natural
and at least in my mind, natural an adult.
Like I shouldn't be sacrificing my own happiness because of this
other person's. Right.
She could. I could lose Travis and it's not
worth it. But on the other hand, that X is
always going to be in their lives because of the children.
Until they're 18, I mean. This is a restraining order we
don't know about but. I'm sure other stuff will come
out, yeah. Yeah, but no, I mean, I'm very
happy for them, even though in Paris is kind of boring.
But maybe he'll be more exciting.
I. Mean he's.
Not that I need him to be exciting.
No, no, he just needs to be reliable and and come in and and
then run his finger. Across the the counter.
And I'm masculine, a very masculine mask.
Totes mask. Totes mask.
So I mean, that's really what
was going on with Gina other than, you know, being the center
of. Like the Katy?
The diplomat or trying to she. Was in the center where she
definitely was like she was the she was a moderator.
And all these things. She was the Whitney.
She. Was in the center of the circle
jerk trying to make all these things happen.
Let me tell. You I know now she was the
Whitney, she of the narrating, the whole Katy stuff and my baby
Whitney, I mean Whitney from Salt Lake, which is coming back.
Mormon wives, Yes. Yeah, that was that was OK.
Bravo. Thank you for letting us know.
It's coming back. But you could have put in at
least a a bit more effort just to show a little budding flower
coming out of this. Well, there are. 7 if you notice
them because seven house was. Oh, I didn't notice that.
Interesting. Yeah, you were paying way too
much attention. Someone was pointing it out on
Instagram. You here, I thought you were
just being more observant than me.
It was really that hot up here, did you?
You're like, oh, it's not that hot downstairs.
The air conditioning is like Arctic.
We came upstairs. It is enough enough here.
It's not, I mean, it's just the, the air is not moving.
What were we saying? Who knows?
We're done with Gina. Gina, we're talking about
Heather. No, but we can talk about
Heather. I mean, Heather, basically, we
found out that the house that was going to make her a Real
Housewife of Beverly Hills was going to take too long to
renovate and they might as well just give it up now and.
It seems your storyline is renovations and houses and and
not being in OC unless she's working.
Yeah, yeah, that sucks what they did to the house.
Like to them, I mean, that's probably a tactic that's way
more prevalent out there is, oh, we'll go ahead and demolish
everything and then be like, oh, we're over budget.
And you're stuck with us now because why would you want to
change? You know, Right.
Well, do they know the rows were like, we just leave this.
Yeah. But like, who?
Who's gonna buy that? I guess someone who wants a
deal. And someone who wants a complete
renovation and comes in with their own person and.
You know, yes. Because they basically stripped
it down. Now they just have to build it
up. So that's true.
That's. They probably ran all along, but
yeah, that was seems to be Heather's only real.
Right. So Emily's story is, it's sad
for sure with her son. Yeah, sad's not the right word.
I mean, it's definitely. It's sad for her as a mom.
Yeah. I felt for her when she was
crying to Gina and, you know, just feeling like you're not
doing what you can to protect your child in this case, being
like making sure they're eating and having nutrition.
And you know, it's just, it's, I'm sure it must be tough.
Oh no, I'm sure. I think why I'm saying is like
sad is like there's there's like there would be nothing they're
they're doing about it. Like they're definitely.
Right, right. They're being, they're being,
yes, yeah. But we see trailer, though, that
she and Shane are at odds. Even in this one scene, he was
like, oh, it's all mental. Like he's came to snap out of it
and start eating. That's always the worst when
someone just all like, oh, it's all up here.
It's. Yeah, if that that's right,
that's why it's an issue is that it's all up here.
We need to, you know, do something about.
That well, but he is, you know, he's Mormon at the end of the
day, so. I don't know what that has to do
with it. I mean, I'm sure.
Sometimes we like, you know, just like it's.
Let God take care of it. Or yeah, it's like it's mind
over math. Sorry.
You want to get these? Not heavily.
I'm gonna. Get these golden tablets,
they'll tell us what to do. Put on my undergarments.
Let's let's see, let's see what Demi has to say about it from.
From Disney World, Disneyland. From Disneyland.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was like from Mormon wise.
Oh yeah, she was at Disneyland. No, it is, it is very, it's a
very unfortunate and it's, you know, it's.
I've never heard of the disorder.
You know, that's, I wonder how prevalent it is and.
Well, what's interesting when she later on said that like that
goes hand in hand often with being on the autism, autism
spectrum. Which I totally was like oh that
makes sense. It does especially, you know,
because you always hear about people, you know, being very
sensitive to sound or smell or taste and and then you find out
like, Oh well, he never or texture, you know, So that's
thing is like, oh, well, that would make me really dislike
food right away. Like if I was very particular
about a certain smell or taste or texture, like I'm not putting
that in my mouth. Get that away, you know.
So you're like, you have too much smell like too like walking
into a restaurant probably would be hard for him because it's
like so much food smells at once.
I often, you know, because you're somewhat of a picky eater
or you have been known to be 1. I often, when I first started
dating you, I was just very much like, oh, God, I wasn't like,
like, rolling my eyes, but I was like, he's exaggerating, blah,
blah, blah. But now I do feel like a lot of
it is related to your sense of smell.
Yeah. Because like, you can smell like
rotting chicken a mile away and be like, you're like, well,
it'll be an empty chicken container in the garage, and
you'll be in the house and be like, if something smells bad,
like, what the Hell's going on? So I definitely think for you
that, like smell and and then for anyone, smell and taste go
hand in hand. But I think you have an acute
sense of smell. So that makes it so that like
you don't necessarily want to eat things that other people
would, right. So I imagine if that was 100
times or X times more powerful for whatever reason, that you'd
definitely be like, yeah, white rice, please.
Yeah. Maybe a little bit of soy sauce,
yeah. Yeah, but imagine if soy sauce
made you nauseous or really set you off.
So no, it's it's unfortunate and I'm, I know we're
oversimplifying and apologies to anyone who's who is really
dealing with us. We're not trying to be
insensitive, but like trying to wrap our, you know, non right
disordered brains around. Yeah, it's, it's interesting for
sure. And to see that that Gina had a
similar experience with her child and it's just it's, you
know, tough raising kids in the way to do the best for them, I'm
sure. And then something's out of your
control. You can't easily fix it.
That must be really rough. One thing I thought they're
twins, right? Yes.
So that was something that I was thinking about it.
I had mentioned it while we're watching, but like, it must also
be interesting to have twins and they seem to be identical twins.
They seem to be so yeah, it's. One of those things where like
you'd, and I know this isn't true again, but like you'd, it's
one of those case studies I'm sure where it's like what causes
1 twin to develop one thing and not the other.
And I know there's biological differences perhaps.
Not exact. Exactly.
So it's just interesting and I think that must also weigh on
her as well as like, well, everything's fine with him.
So what's what happened over here?
Just must amplify it even more and.
You go to like a what did I do or what didn't I do scenario and
yes. There's like, oh, I must have
dropped him on his head when he was, you know, just stupid
things like that that really probably don't have any relation
to do with, you know what, what's causing this.
So, yeah, it's sad, but they're going to go into it more and
we're going to learn a lot I'm I'm sure.
But you're right. Seth was being very, not very
dismissive. That's Seth.
Shane. Shane being just you, you had to
think about it. For the idea was like, that's
not exactly the stuff. Around slave, Yeah, yeah.
He was being like, this is easily fixed and we just got to
like, you know, eat the wheat beans and I or paid him 20 bucks
to like eat this burnt crap. And, you know, I don't think
he's taking it as seriously as she is.
But he could also just be trying to be reassuring and like, you
know, hey, it's not as big of a deal and maybe it turns out that
it is. Maybe he comes around, but maybe
takes a lot to get him to come around.
Well, she's saying in the People magazine using an article that
they had to go into therapy, you know, the maybe both she and she
and the entire family. So it's definitely we'll see
that play out so. Speaking of seeing therapy.
Oh wow, I just like, stepped right into that.
I really just did. Our girl Tam.
No, our girl Tam. Yeah.
The thing that's the hardest about watching this is that
because we listen to two TS in a pod and we are fans of the of
the pod, we were listening when it happened and we were kind of
part, not part of it. Like we we knew this in real
time. I.
Really remember our reaction to that where we just like, I know
we were driving to work. Well, we'd, we'd heard about it
and so we saw it on like Tik Toker and social media that
morning that people were coming for her.
So we listened to that. Episode like what her?
What, what, what the big deal was.
And yeah, she stepped in it. But the thing that I feel worse
about is that I feel like in the time since that happened, you
know, since this is all filmed, she's kind of been through it
and she's kind of answered what needed to be answered.
And now this being. Now it's really starting from
scratch again. I remember that time when Tamara
she was on the spectrum and everyone hated her and people
were on the spectrum like lost their their shit on her and.
And so there's a whole number, a whole new pool of people that
are who didn't know about this because.
They're not going to get your social media.
Yes, yeah. And then on top of that, there's
going to be people that are just Tamara haters to begin with or
use an opportunity to be like. Yeah.
Oh, Tamara. It's so.
It's so, it's so. It's like, it's like calling
Kyle vile, like you're not. It was clever the first time.
Now it's not anymore. Yeah, but we still enjoy it when
people call call them tree stumps.
Well, that was just, I mean, yes, that was a classic
Margaret. Yeah.
My thing with and looking at her, you know, as much as I like
Tamra, I think the good thing is that she's in therapy and she
realizes there's a problem. She's trying to fix it.
My one thing, and I hope this improves is that she just takes
and she's going to hate this Teddy.
She's going to hate this like she's listening to this take
more accountability. Like, yes, these bad things
happen to you, whether it be Simon or your daughter or other
people coming on the show really to attack you, but you control
all you can control is your reaction.
And when your reactions come so hard, you have to be able to say
like, I was wrong for that. Like she did it on the they
were. I was listening to them recap
the valley and she was saying they're talking about Janet and
saying that, you know, she's like, I've been there.
You know, I've been playing in the villain and trying to move a
story and there are times I just did things just to move story
and I acknowledge it and, you know, apologize for it.
And that wasn't right. And so she needs to can continue
to do that, acknowledge like her part in this and how she is
reacting to someone coming at her or to these difficulties in
her life. You know, it's, it's good
because it explains so explains a lot of who she is and not
trusting people thinking they're going to leave her or turn on
her. But you also have to be like,
but I didn't react well. And now I'm learning how to and,
and, and, and the first step is being in therapy.
And she's been there for a few months.
And so, you know, there was, and I'm sure it was a much longer
session. We didn't get everything.
Yeah. So maybe she did say more things
than I remember. The therapist is the therapist
is like, but what could you have done better?
You know, like Erica's therapist, like she really will
say point out. Yeah, but you know, what about
you? Like what are you doing to
rectify this? What I'm more what I'm worried
about is that two things like I tend to I believe that Tamara's
genuinely. Going totally.
Totally. Like it would be the weirdest
long game. Like when we were offseason, I
started doing a therapy and talking about my podcast so that
when we started filming again, dah dah dah dah dah.
Like plant of the seeds, Yeah. Say what you will about all
these, you know, you know, machinations that people think
housewives do. No one is that smart.
No to. Be like I'm going to start doing
this. I mean, unless she has like APR
team or something but who's going to do?
I don't believe that for a minute.
So I, I, I worry that people are going to be coming for her over
genuinely trying to deal with her shit.
Yes, and then prove herself. Yes, and and adding you know who
in a bit will only compound that.
Right, which doesn't make it any better.
But that being said, I agree with you that she's just, she's
not just she's putting a lot on. I'm in therapy and it's like,
OK, that's good that you're in therapy, but you.
Can't if you learn from therapy and what do you need to let go
of? Like like letting go of how
deeply hurt you were by Simon or by your daughter, etcetera,
etcetera. Not that I've ever been in
therapy. Sam.
So I probably am talking, well, I'm definitely talking out my
ass, but I feel like sometimes people who are in therapy, it's
it's like they're like rich people.
It's like wealth whispers if you're in therapy and it's
actually working, you don't need to talk about it.
It should be soft. Like everybody, Yeah.
Like I don't need. It's like you're not vegan,
you're not in Barrys Boot camp, you're not doing CrossFit.
I don't need to hear about it every time.
So like, if it's really working, I'm not saying keep it to
yourself, we're happy to hear about it.
Let's share about it. But it doesn't need to be your
entire storyline, so to speak. And I am worrying that this
entire season is going to be, well, I'm in therapy and it's
like. Well, but it's going to be other
stuff when you know, once. Gretchen gets.
There exactly. And then also fighting you.
Won't even say her name. I'll say her name.
She's right there. Her face is just the work she's
done like in the makeup she has like in this clips I've seen so
far. I'm just like it just seems
puppity and and not in a not. In a good Madam way, not a good
Madam other other gay way. Way no.
So see our TikTok for that. If you're wondering what I'm
talking about, yeah. So anyway.
So, yeah, so I, I looking forward to see where this goes
with Tamra. And Speaking of Tamra, who like
can't exist without Tamra freaking Jen, yes, like I love
when the editors were like put like an image of Tamron.
Jen cannot talk about anything except for like screwing Ryan,
their wedding, how much sex they have, and then Tamra and how
Tamra's come after them and they're her targets and then.
Just to make again making another housewife your soul,
kind of. Your reason?
Reason to be on the show just like and maybe it won't stay
that way all season, but seeing how she probably pairs up with
Gretchen. She okay, so everyone he was
saying last year that Tamara brought Alexis on to her Shannon
one, let's reiterate people let's go back.
They were already talking to Alexis before she started dating
John Jansen. It worked out well for them that
she did start dating John Jansen, but it wasn't Tamra
executing a move to try to hurt Shannon period.
Meanwhile, on the flip side, Jen, as she said in the in the
trailer, sent an SOS to Gretchen.
Oh my God, Tamra help and Gretchen like saw the the bat
signal and like come came running cause here's the I say
here's the thing a lot why hasn't Gretchen come back until
now? Production didn't want her.
Where was Gretchen when Tamara wasn't on the show?
Why wasn't Gretchen brought back then?
Because Gretchen without Tamara, nothing happening so.
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, and Jen making her whole
story about like, how Tamara's hurt her.
Lame. What else are you doing?
Are you gonna open that yoga studio again?
Are you? Have you paid back your your
debts like? Yeah.
Are you getting married in a bikini?
Oh, that's so fascinating. Like she is.
So she is as dull as she is pretty.
I guess you're calling. You're very pretty then.
She's very pretty but very dull. Way too tan calm down on the
Tanner girl the. Thing that I'm I guess I don't I
don't want to fault Jen yet because I think you're right.
I I want to say like, Oh well, her wedding will be part of her
storyline, you know, fine. But I think that she will be
embroiled in the midst of a lot of the interpersonal drama with
the other women, which is something I'm always asking for.
I'm always saying like, I'd rather have housewives be part
of the drama with each other than to be out there on their
own. So as long as she doesn't remain
A1 Tamer pony, I'll be fine. Like if she can move on and like
be part of the drama with others, cool, I'm into it.
But if it does end up being all in service of like, you know,
Oh, I showed you Tamara then. You're not showing me anything,
girl. Also, I think she's going to
drop Katie hard. Seems like she already has.
Yeah. The fact that she's like, well,
I don't remember saying. How do you not remember calling
someone to call an artist? Yeah.
How do you not remember that if? You are so like, Oh well, like I
don't. I remember saying that and then
you just went along with saying it like, you know, like I.
You were talking some shit. I yeah, I know.
Yeah. It's like in Real Housewives of
New York. Like we were out on the patio
talking shit about each other. I probably.
That's The thing is again, even if I'm like in a like torrent of
like trash talking about a friend, if called on it, I'm
like, well, I don't remember saying that specifically, but I
probably did like. But con artist is so strong.
It's not like, oh, I didn't like her dress or I think she which
that was bitchy con artist. Yeah, yeah, it's a really hard
label to put on somebody. Yeah.
So if we're to not remember that, it's like.
And the reason you would call someone that, you'd have to have
some backup to that. It's not just like, oh, then she
cut me off in traffic one day. She's a con artist.
It's like, no, there's a reason you would call someone a con
artist. So, yeah, you're right.
She's so, so, so flaky. So flaky.
Yeah. I don't.
I don't get her.
And also what she said about Katie of saying that.
What? Basically saying that Katie says
a lot of bullshit but she lets it go because they're friends.
That's just really weird, you know?
Like, I accept it. I know she's probably lying, but
you know. One thing I noticed she.
Bought me a coffee. One thing I noticed when they
went to Shannons rehab, I mean Shannon Spa, was that a lot of
them hadn't seen each other since filming.
Yeah. And so I think that very, it
kind of drove home to me a little bit like, oh, I let a lot
of stuff go because we haven't seen each other and she's my
only ally on the show other than maybe Shannon.
But Shannon seems to drop them both pretty quick it seems.
I think Shannon, like they, they did social media for Bravo, they
paired them up and Shannon and Jen together.
So I think they're cool. It's like Katie, who was by
herself and Gretchen was by herself.
Got it. So yeah, I just think John's
gonna go with the popular team and I don't think she has a lot
of loyalty. Well.
I mean, she doesn't necessarily need to either.
I mean, yeah. And then to be acting all like,
you know, shocked that, you know, I thought Tamara and I
were friends. Like did you?
OK, and this whole story I do not believe this for a second
that Tamara was like I was at at Brian's talking about like
screwing him or like she was showing him her her boobs like I
just. I believe that a form of that
may have happened where it was just like it wasn't even
flirting. Or maybe just joking.
I just don't believe Jen. Oh, believe Jen.
I believe women, but I don't believe Jen all.
Right. Fair.
No, I mean, I think there's a shred of truth to it.
Like, I don't think Jen would just make that up.
Ryan would have he told her we've said this before, like
true she I'm sure Ryan just like the other day on Miami when like
Jodie interrupted Lisa's confessional.
I'm sure Ryan is sitting off to the side be like hey baby bitch
to that. Hey babe, don't forget about
that. Yeah, like Ryan's taking the
notes for her too, so she can regurgitate it in her
confession. No, they were talking about it
on 2 TS. Some people are not good at
confessionals and they use like their glam or friends or
whatever like sitting there to give them stuff to.
Remind them. Or just to, like, give them,
like, witty comebacks. Yeah, yeah.
I was telling Jeff that when we first started the podcast, I,
when we were watching the show earlier, we first started the
podcast, I, we wouldn't share our thoughts that when we came
upstairs that it'd be like fresh and we go, let me go.
But then after we've done 100, well, this is our 56th episode
of our second year. OK.
So I think we have like 190. We're going to be here our 2nd
200th episodes. And we should.
Get a cake and we should get a cake.
I don't remember all the stuff. So like I find if we talk about
a little bit before, oh right, I remember that.
Yeah, it doesn't like, you know, ruin.
No, it doesn't ruin anything. It makes me wonder though that
like, maybe he's just there reminding her.
Like, yeah, remember. Reminding her.
Again, if we. Puppeting her.
We're not going to say that like there's this brilliant
machination of like manipulation of, you know, oh, I have a
storyline I'm going to work on. Ryan isn't going to be smart
enough to be like. Brian far enough or he's smarter
than. Don't say it.
Don't say you're going to get us in trouble.
Yeah, I would say I think Jen is easily LED.
That's what I'm saying. True.
Whether it be Ryan or Gretchen or the mailman, I think it's
just yeah. I mean, yeah, she didn't she
live in Utah, If we've seen things.
The Mormon wives. No, I mean I'm serious.
Well, it's her nothing. Easily.
I think she said like her husband was pretty control.
Yeah, I can't. It's at all.
No, and I really don't mean that any like knock on Jen.
I'm just saying that like, you know, it it, it if you're in a
marriage and someone just takes care of everything, like she
didn't know how to pay bills. And right, she didn't have like
a checkbook or yeah, yeah it. Makes sense that there could be
like, oh, I just do whatever he tells.
Not whatever he tells me, but like he's mentioned it.
Yeah, that makes sense. I'll go go with.
That so it's funny because again, she had so much more
story with all of that in the fallout from because last year
was her second season, right? Yes.
Yeah, she had more to talk about and trying to figure her stuff
out and the bills and, you know, the whole stuff with Gina and
the house and and all that and being evicted and so and.
Now she was and Katie. Exactly.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you. Off No, that's the.
That's OK, we got to that point. Sorry, I've been cutting an
awful lot, but I know I'm really.
Oh, in the beginning I was when I was trying to make that point
about Katie. And yes, I was.
That's why I said listen to my point, all that my furniture.
But no, that was totally fine. You see, when I married two
people, Oh my. He's so.
Controlled.
He's just like, he's just like Ryan.
Disgusting. She did a disgusting tonight.
That's. So disgusting.
Would you rather? Would you rather?
Would you rather have Ryan in his underwear or Terry Dubrow in
his underwear? Terry Dubrow and they would say
like Jesse from Valley in his tripping chores.
That's a hard one because I just think I'd rather have Ryan over
this droopy drawer. I'd take Jesse over Ryan.
Ryan has a lot of face. Ryan's face is what ruins it.
For me, it's extreme face. Yeah, and.
It's very Yeah, it's, it's, it's he's got beady eyes.
It's. It's a little reptilian.
That's get out of my head. The word I was the same.
How does me too mean? No, no, I'm not saying he's a
horrible looking person. I'm just saying I don't think
that Tamara was trying to get with that.
Well, but if you believe all these rumors that they're
swingers and like and. One of those rumors come out
when what's her name joins the show and they tried to say that
Tamara was having an affair. Yeah.
That's true. Again, coming in, she hasn't
gotten here and I'm already like smack talking this chick.
Or so Shannon. Yes.
Her daughter's cat has a beret done.
As you start a large cat, yes, her daughters are in various
places. He settled her case with John.
Jansen what you knew that after after the reunion, the.
Writing that I paid for girl. Also, if you think you're gonna
stick to a $16,000 bushes, you're crazy.
Do you know Alexis? Although I can't imagine, I
don't know. They're not gonna go like super
Yeah, you can have a perfectly fine wedding for less than that.
We had a perfectly fine wedding for less Much much.
Less than that. But I'm just saying like if we
had a like if God forbid we ever had divorced, marriage number 2
is not even getting half of what we got.
Oh my gosh, the energy, like the, the money, the love.
That's why we're like, we'll always be together.
Yes, that's why we'll always be together.
But anyway, sure. Yeah, I don't really see nothing
else. I mean, she was just really
trying. Trying to be Zen.
Yeah, trying to be Zen, show that she's not drinking.
Oh, I made a joke crack about it earlier.
But I really do believe, like people like after the last
reunion, even they were saying like when Shannon went to rehab,
it wasn't truly a rehab. It was just like a Wellness
Center, like a spa. And you think it was this place,
this gold door? Place, I mean it's one seems to
support the other, they wouldn't they seem to get a really.
Good brand. Deal out of the whole thing and
some publicity. I mean it.
I had never heard of it and and but.
Also, I don't, you know, I'm not looking at Us Weekly for see
where Julia Roberts is going on her spine, nor are you looking
for retreats in Escondido. Or San Marcos, but I'm sure they
seem like a blast to all other customers.
You may. Not want to come this day,
right, Julia? Oprah.
Yeah, and then Jen, like, oh, Oprah.
Might be there, wasn't it Jen? It was, and her daughter didn't
know who Oprah was. And that's when you just say get
the to the YouTube girl. I mean, that's that if you're a
teenager. Today.
Maybe I could see why you wouldn't know.
But Oprah, like even the name Oprah, you don't hear that very
often. It's not like her name was Jenny
Jones. Like it's it's Oprah.
So, Sally, Jesse Raphael. More Hypovic.
Ricky, like you see somewhere, would have encountered that name
at some point, but maybe her children aren't into all that.
Yeah, Everly. Is that her name?
Leigh. Oh.
That's that's a pretty name, but.
That whole anytime you put Lee as Leigh.
It's just, I don't know Lee as Leigh.
But like when you're doing like Ashley Everly?
Child, I don't. I don't need that.
We don't need it. No, Ashley spelled A.
SHLEYI mean if you're smart and beautiful and.
One of our best friends, obviously.
Obviously, probably her. I recommended.
Ashley, make your alter ego Ashley to their people.
Off. Yeah.
When you're feeling saucy, you're like, well, they'll
never. Know who I am?
I'm Ashley, sorry you're an ash league of your own.
So, but everything's kind of a pretty.
Name. I would never name our child
that that. No, I'm not yearning for that.
No, that's not good. That's not.
A contender? No, no, but it is the last.
Name. Someone's last name?
Oh, I got Yeah. Who?
Probably a baseball player. Seems like a baseball player.
Left a baseball player. We are losing the thread here.
Yeah, and I think we've pretty much covered everything.
Yeah, yes, being all the ladies. Yeah, again, it's a great start.
Yeah, we clearly have more. Opinions about this I look how
you started. Obviously I don't have a lot of.
Opinions. And we're like, let's go deep.
Yeah, we really do. I mean, we've gone for freaking
ever. Here, we're at 47 minutes.
Oh, gosh. So yeah, no, it's fine.
I mean, I again, I think, I don't know, let no one's
listening now anyway. I mean, I don't think anyone
would get this far. But like you heard on that
earlier, Miami, we're not doing too good with our views on
Miami, which makes me think our views on our shows are
proportionate to the ratings and stuff.
I'm not. I think we're being ghastly
about how great Miami is. That's all I'm saying because
like it is, seems to be a recurring.
Theme about Oh my gosh, Miami and then I'm like this, this is
what we're getting with. Miami, SO I'm open minded to it
and we're watching it, but like no for sure, but like I
genuinely. Enjoyed this episode and these
women, even the ones I don't necessarily like, I feel more of
a even if I'm not liking you, I'm not liking you strongly as
opposed to just being like, I don't like that Stephanie chick.
I get it. You're rich, right?
But with this one, like, oh, yeah, I'm shaking a fist to the
sky. The OC Sky or Escondido.
That's where they were at the end.
Yeah. All right.
Well, I mean, this is good. And then we're going to get
Atlanta back on the reunion, right on Sunday.
That'll be good. And then we're back to Miami and
then this. We had a cadence going.
I love it. Good.
We'll talk about it next time. It's all next time.