Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott, I'm Jeff, and we just watched an episode of The Real
Housewives of Orange County. We sure did.
Or in urn Vine, Oh. Well, that's.
Orange. It's Urn County.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm a big movie theater
dork. Like, that's my other thing.
Stay tuned. I'm gonna have a whole podcast
about our cinema tour. It's free.
But I noticed one of the establishing shots that they
showed the Irvine Spectrum, and I know for a fact that that
theater's been remodeled and does not say Edward Cinema's
onto the back of it anymore. So I was like, wait a minute,
this is old footage. Well, because the building, said
Edwards. But the sign said Spectrum.
Well, no, because that's where it's located, but the it's Regal
Cinemas, so they put a whole Regal sign on it now it's no
longer, says Edwards. So just it has to be old
footage, but I'm just a big dork that way.
So before we get on to the show, how are you?
What's new with you? Anything going on?
But not really just like work and stuff.
I'm glad that the week is coming to a close.
We have like brunch with friends this weekend.
Yeah. Not really just it's been a slow
week at work, but it will that will change as we get to the end
of the month, which I'm kind of glad September is over because
I'm just kind of so. Rash, we wake you up when
September ends. No, but there's this great Barry
Manilow song called When October Goes.
I just love. I don't think I know that song.
Yeah, it's like, I don't think he released it.
And there was like, more so in the 80s after, you know, he
wasn't like, as big. Oh, OK.
But it's a great song. It's beautiful, yeah.
It's I something I don't envy you about your job is that you
have one of those jobs that like is dependent upon the time of
the month. Like you have the first the
month is busy. The end of the month is busy.
I even though I work for the accounting department, like I
don't really have that schedule. So like I'm not used to this.
And also because I work for an accounting department where we
like are closing the books everything like right now I'm
working what's today, the 25th. So like right now is our end of
the month for inventory, but like I really won't be doing
anything until the middle of next month.
So it's just really weird. So yeah, I've, I've always been
because coming from movie theaters where like every week
was the same thing over and over again, it's weird to go to a
monthly thing. And then, yeah, I just, I don't
have that mentality of like, oh, the first month would be busy.
Yeah, it's certain things like kick in and like, you know,
certain times of a year, like, Oh my God, you know, invoice
this person for the whole year when they have all these
locations and like, right. And then until I forget because
which I did like, oh crap, let's do that in July and now it's
September, but whatever, it'll figure itself out.
Well, no one knew about that until you No one found out,
right? And you still got the money.
Well, I was saying to my Co worker, I'm like I because
they've been slow of getting us what we need in order to, you
know, get our money, whatever. And I was like, well, I can't
get on my high horse about it because I forgot and I should
have done this two months ago. So really they could take their
time because I'm the one who's behind.
I really hate not being able to get on my high horse because I
like it up there. It's really nice, good air.
It is good air up there. I do like it.
Yeah, so, and one other thing I'm really excited about, Well,
not well, yes, very excited about a good thing.
One last good thing about September is Mariah's album
comes out tomorrow. I'm a huge Mariah fan.
Mariah Carey. I just call it Mariah.
They were. A first name basis like that,
right? Pretty much, yeah.
It's like her first album in seven years, and so it's gonna
drop. So does that tomorrow.
It's dropping on a Friday. That's a new thing for the music
industry. Oh, I.
Always. I want it back on Tuesday.
Always Tuesdays and now it's on Fridays and so yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think they find out. No, I think it's like from
Friday to Friday because then you find out how it did the
following week and whether it be singles on the top 100 or the
Yeah. So very excited.
I've heard like some she's released some single.
She's releasing another single tomorrow too with Will Packham.
Packham will pack. Yeah, yeah, Anderson Pack.
Anderson pack. Yes, yeah.
Will pack. I don't know.
I don't. Know, I don't know.
This is how little I know about the current music industry.
Because he's big. Because he's like, yeah, with
Bruno Mars. Yeah, I want to say Chris and
Nick always talk about Anderson Pack.
Like, yeah, like, he's a big producer and big, big, big.
Name like he produced, I want to say he produced that Bruno Mars
Lady Gaga song. You know that like, wow, Graham.
Edward I mean, I I have, I have even less less up to date
musical taste. I like weird weird depressing
teenage pop. Well, yeah, like I said, usually
for me, aside from like Beyoncé or Taylor, I don't really know a
lot of people. Like I think I just found out
who Tate McRae was the other on the VMAs the other week.
I know that Las Culturistas talk about her all the time.
Yeah. Like, and Matt Rogers, like just
love sort of pieces. I, I think after we listened to
one of their episodes, I looked up who Tate McRae was and I was
like, I, I don't get. It I thought she I for some
reason in my head, I was confusing her with Morgan
Wallen, who is a man, who's a country singer, Tate McRae,
it's. Oh yeah, is have.
Some boots and some guns. Yeah, no, you're not.
You're not wrong with. That So I was like, oh, OK.
And then she's like, you know, doing her old, like, dance in
the sand and the cold routine. There's two things as as I get
older that I like, I try to like, I try my best and I don't
want to become I'm already a get off my lawn old man, just like,
oh, one of them. What the hell?
What are you doing in the moon? This You're not supposed to be
here. I'm not going to can or Karen
out on somebody that like I'm not that bad, but the two things
I'm 1 is like I'm not going to be resistant to fashion style.
Like just because just because I have a shirt that's older than
some of my friends, like doesn't mean I can't still buy new
trends and like get into it because that's what makes as an
older person you look old is that you're not wearing whatever
it is that looks new. But, you know, it's that balance
between, you know, not looking, dressing your age, basically.
Yeah. So like dressing respectively
for your age but not dressing old for your age.
So it's like, you know, you can embrace a new trend as far as it
will go for, you know, your body type, your age, that sort of
thing. So I'm trying to do that.
I try to do that with that damn Ben Sherman stuff that I
ordered, but it's never showing up.
It occurred to me that it's coming from the UK.
Oh, OK. And so things aren't coming to
the US from the UK, so. Oh, that that thing I got from
Greece that's so got lost I had to like reorder it.
Right, so I don't know, I I'll figure it out or I got to go
back and check the credit card statement.
Maybe I was never charged by the way, I feel dumb, but I guess I
really wanted those clothes. The other thing is musical
tastes like I'm trying not to just get locked into or locked
out of new music. Like at least be open minded to
it. But I'll tell you this, Tate
McRae can't do it well. I was going to say I'm the exact
opposite of here. I am in my Eddie Bauer shirt
that I could wear went to, you know, an old person events.
I was going to say Country Club, golf course, whatever.
Very Dad going to a picnic. And I'm cool with that look.
No, and that's true. It is Eddie Bauer.
Eddie Bauer is made for dads and like older guys in their 40s.
But I think that's a useful look though.
I. Mean, I mean it's like how you
style it and you know, rent pants.
I'm wearing shorts, but it it does lean lean that and I'm
totally cool with that, right. If you wear to get a.
If you wear that with like cargo shorts and New Balance, then we
have a problem. I wouldn't.
I don't have New Balance. I wouldn't wear cargo shorts.
Yeah, like I not that I'm like I wouldn't wear cargo shorts as
the guy who like was wearing cargo shorts like 2 years ago.
Yeah, yeah, me, I'm talking about.
No, Yeah, I know who. I know who you're talking.
About OK And the other thing, yeah, with music, I'm again, I'm
like, I'm very locked in. Certain things will will come
through, you know, mainly that's been tailored the last few
years. But for the most part I'm like,
I don't know. And even more so, it's things
like new things for me are old songs that I've never heard
before. And I'm like, that's a damn good
disco song. What you say?
That's the theme song to Angie, a sitcom that lasted one season
starring the girl from the second lead from Saturday Night
Fever. Sure, Angie Pascal.
Or you know what I'm talking. About.
I don't know. Yeah, OK.
No, you shouldn't. That I wanna.
I thought you were talking about Donna Pascal from.
It is Donna. Donna Pascal from Out of This
World. Yes, Sada Pascal had a show
called like Angie and I played this song for you that one more
like one time we're going to that open house and like, yeah,
it's so great. And it was the theme song.
And I don't know how like it got on my radar and Spotify,
Spotify, it's just like, this guy looks old.
Shit. So.
And it did. And I'm like, this is an amazing
song and I just it's called like Best of Both Worlds or like
something World, but it's called Race.
And then Donna Pescao sings it. No, no, no, she's oh, OK, she's
on there. It was the theme song for for
show Angie and it lasted like maybe less than a season.
And this amazing song came from that.
I was gonna say Donna Pescao sort of has that kind of, well,
I don't know, like just very campy vibe about her.
So I can't imagine her singing a song and if it was like all I'm
singing Angie theme, you know, or something like that, you
know? Is she Shannon Medor?
Yes. Oh, good call back.
Let's bring it back to the show, are we?
Well, no, I was thinking he was very ashamed that, you know, hit
movements. But yes.
I thought you were like enough about us.
Like this does is a good segue to singing housewives singing.
Oh, what does that have to do with this show?
I don't understand. So the theme was singing and
daughters. The first was like happy time
with our daughters and we're bonding.
And the second act was like, I'm going to gut you like a fish and
shoot you with this pellet gun that's really bad like a fish.
If it works out, that's what people do.
They got fishes. That's true, but it was more
like on the sheet with this Pelican that.
Well, that I'm surprised that didn't.
That wasn't even a joke that they made.
I mean, for a second I was like, tamper's gonna whirl around and
it's like Bang, Bang. I think any anyone who has gun
etiquette knows anything in gun and shaped.
You don't turn and pointed anyone.
Yeah, a water gun, barely. And that's only if it's
fluorescent green and transparent and doesn't look
like an actual gun. That was like looked like a
Glock, but. Well, yeah, it's not that I know
what a Glock really looks like, but.
It's just like a bigger gun. I mean, heavy weapon, right?
I think we at some point we should go shoot a gun.
Yeah, like somewhere, just cuz, you know, just to.
I'd be up for that. I've never shot 1.
You never shot 1. I've shot, you know, actually
shooting my dad. Like I've shot rifles and I've
shot pistols before, but like I haven't as an adult.
Like I was a little, you know, gay 13 year old and he was like,
wanna go shoot? And I'm like sure.
No, I was like, honest to God, we go to the shooting range and
I'd be sitting there. I remember I was reading like
the history of soap operas, like while we're at the shooting
range, probably somewhere out here in the back roads of town.
I don't know. Which is weird to think that was
right here in town, but but yeah, no, I totally remember
reading like all about the history of Guiding Light.
You told me that, but I I don't think you put it together with I
was just shooting range with my dad.
I'd take off my ear, the earphone, and then what?
No, I'm good, I'm good. Put it back on and just keep
reading reading about the powers.
This shooting and and what and gun combo is going to get us a
whole new audience. It might.
I'm having a little bit of Deja vu, including the fact that I
mentioned I'm having Deja vu. It's a circle.
It's a full circle, so.
I was saying, like the daughters, the lovely daughter.
Yes. So today is National Daughter
Day, which worked out well for this episode because there was
like, let's spend time with our daughters.
I have to think that that was planned.
I think that someone was like, oh, it's going to air on
National Daughter Day. They.
Usually know when it's going to air and then putting well, I
guess they but I mean who's looking for National Daughters
Day? I don't know.
It's like national tequila today at.
Work, we used to look for everything like, oh, today's
National Tortilla Day, we better make a burrito special.
I was like, oh God, as though someone's like sitting there
waiting at Instagram, Like I sure hope that restaurant chain
has a has a burrito special today.
I wasn't going to go, but now I will.
It was just that I just sat at those meetings there, fucking
hated it. It's just like, oh, today's,
today's National. It'd be like today's national
golden retriever day. Let's have a let's, we'll have,
we have a golden beet salad today for National.
I'm like, oh, really? That's how we're going to do it.
It was the worst anyway. Corporations.
Right. So yes, it was both your
daughter time. So basically it was it.
Was cute, I did like that. Yeah, I was like, you know,
Shannon talking to her daughter, Heather talking to her daughter.
And then you have the scenes with Jen and her daughter, who
seems really, you know, mature and, you know, lovely and with
it and, you know, expressed. They don't really.
They did a Jen's first season. Talk about her kids.
Yeah, yeah, talk. About her ex-husband, but they
don't really go into it and the relationship that that he has
with the kids. It's just, you know, so it's
interesting to hear that she out of some sort of out of this idea
of like, you know, there's this notion and that it's always
going to be, you know, my parents are the ones to married
and to have them my mom getting married to somebody else.
That's just probably would be weird if like all your most of
your life, you've just known them as this unit and now you
have to accept this new unit in your mom's life.
And you know, she's saying to you that I married my best
friend, whereas with your dad it was just like we were parents,
which which happens. And her daughter is of the age
or she could hear something like that, you know, like 16 or so.
Maybe, yeah, maybe a little older.
You know, I didn't even think about that.
Like my mom never got remarried, but also my parents were always
divorced as long as I could remember.
So I don't know how that. My dad got remarried.
Might, but yeah, but I mean. I think it would be interesting
if your mom had gotten remarried and bringing someone else into
your life, but she had a. But since she had a lot of men
in her life, she did have a lot of long term boyfriends.
Like she's with a guy for like 10 plus years so for that.
They could have gotten. There, I mean, I mean, you could
put a little cry, cry a little thing on the screen, say it's
his life partner. I mean that's you know, but but
yeah, no. So there were a lot of yeah, it
just it was sort of thing that I think for a lot of people, the
whole idea of marriage is so official and so, you know, final
in some ways so that I can see that like especially, you know,
coming from, I gather there come from a conservative background,
you know, Oklahoma and everything and that her
daughter, you know, OK, the idea and that's why she teared up the
idea of you actually being married to someone who's not my
dad other than dad, you know, clearly threw her for a loop.
So it was interesting to see. Interesting to you, like Jim was
saying, you know, I really want to be married.
I want to have a a partner, I want to be a part of a unit.
And you know, you could say that you don't necessarily have to
get married for that, but if you want to, then you should be able
to. Gretchen could say that, but
yeah, no, you're. You're It's just like we're
married, but we're not. Absolutely right.
And she wants to be married, but she can't.
Backing up the whole Shannon and her daughter's call.
Who was that guy she was talking?
Some random gay OK. So that was a random gay yes
case for half a second I was watching and I was like, is this
some guy that she's seeing? And then if so, that's a lot of
balls to be like. And I brought magnums, Mrs.
Bedor. This is like I was like.
That's why Shannon was like, I don't need to hear that.
Right. But I mean, I guess it's more
palatable for does Shannon do this?
A. Little yes, she's I was like.
I don't have to point. You're gonna have to point.
This out all the time or now I'll just I'll live like that I
don't. Just notice.
Yeah, Yeah. I got a little confused about
that because at first I thought it was just some guy that she
was kind of casually dating. And then they were just like,
oh, see, I'm taking care of your daughter, huh.
Well. Because they were very, they
were like Sophie's friend, blah blah, blah, right.
So they are very quick to be like, no, this is probably a
homosexual. He did, yeah.
I mean, he had that sort of like flirting with someones mom.
Homosexuality. But both the value of this.
Yeah, it's the only things you can get away with.
So then it was them, the two of them.
And Sophia. And Gretchen, Sophia.
Woah. And Tamara.
Did Heather not have a Heather
called her daughter called her daughter in.
Paris the cat. Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Sophia and Tamara, they would go to the music school in LA.
In LA, yes. I love flashbacks to little
Sophia. Oh yes, I like she's no Gia
Judice, I'll tell you. I mean, that song that she's
saying was not memorable. She's not waking up in the
morning, She's not not waking up in the morning.
Not going to be a hit. Single, no, but I like yeah,
like their little relationship. And I think consumers said
before, Sophie has a lot of anxiety.
So for her to be considering moving away from home and just
being seen to be really OK with it, that's pretty, you know,
it's yeah, yeah. She's made a lot of stuff
forward. Yes, for sure.
Yeah, kind of nice. We have to segue because in and
the scene, Sophia's blonde and then and it's a confessional and
she has like short dark hair and it's like, whoa, OK, that's a
switch. And then we have to delicately
talk about Tamara's boobs. Confessional look.
You mean Tamara's boobs? Yeah.
Not necessarily. Because we don't talk about
looks. So let's.
We don't, yeah. It's not her boobs, it's just
more the structure in the necklace.
Like, yeah. And necklace draws attention to
the boobs. Basically she had her boobs done
because there was an issue with the boobs and so she like got
like AI think a very small. A medical issue like the the the
musculature wasn't where it was supposed to be.
Yes, and like where the implant what or like whatever, right.
So there's a whole big thing and she didn't tell anybody.
And then she was saying this on 2 TS that, you know, she was
shooting this confessional and the producer was like, obviously
it was like you had your boobs done again, right.
And Tamara hadn't told Sophia and since Sophia found out that
way. But yes, they are very
noticeable because it's one of the the classic, I'm wearing a
blazer without a shirt look that housewives love to do.
Yeah, and it's like, OK, this is a lot of your boob.
I think that thing that's, I don't know, like this is going
to be I'm not this isn't any like I don't know, this isn't a
rag on Tamara at all. I think this is just more of a
comment on aging, I think in that I think the way that her
breasts are, there's like a weird crease somewhere that like
I, I don't know if that's made by the, IT has to be by the fact
that they're fake boobs and so like.
Freshly done. Freshly done.
So it just looks like they're there's like boning in her body
that shouldn't be there, but like it definitely looks.
I think maybe they weren't settled.
Yeah, you know, because like she just had it done so recently.
But at the same time, like, you know, there's only so you're
only going to look so good at even at any age.
Also too, it's like she wasn't wearing a bra so maybe like they
were taped and pushed up in a in a way.
Something weird? Yeah, it was it, It's, it wasn't
the best. It's not the most attractive.
No, the color's great and her hair and makeup are green.
Yeah, but it's like in some in some moments, they're shooting
her from like neck up and I. Was like, yeah, keep doing that.
Yeah, keep doing that. And I was.
Wondering because I'm just like, yeah, as much as a gay man can.
Just like my eyes are drawn to her boobies.
But. I'm Vicki.
So sorry, thank you. We listen to Vicki's part of
Vicki's podcast, Lexus, and she didn't say.
Yes, after blocking smack about Vicki's podcast, we listened to
Vicki's podcast. It was fine.
I didn't know Christian was
southern. That southern, especially.
Y'all. While we're talking about it,
Jen and her breast situation, she clearly has implants as
well. And I think she's lost a lot of
weight, but naturally that her breasts are hanging on her in a
way that she's like having a weird concave situation and her
cleavage. And it's something that I never
really as a gay man, I don't really look at breasts.
So I don't really consider like, because, and also a gay man like
who grew up in the nineties, 80s and 90s, like I'm used to the
whole idea of like, oh, fake tits are great, you know, and
everyone was like always into like big giant fake breasts.
And so you don't really think about what happens to big giant
breasts as someone's body changes.
Well, it's like, because you have this notion that you know,
they're going to just stay the same because they are, they're
not real. So they're not going to age with
you, but like the skin around you, you know, a skin around the
area, right, right. It's just, I don't know all the
facts, but like, it doesn't make sense that as your body changes
as you get older, right? You you know nothing holds up,
but even a facelift isn't going to hold up forever.
Right. But I think it's just, it's that
sort of thing where you think, I think as someone who's never had
it, you know, and, and you know, fate, plastic surgery or
anything like that, like you, you think, oh, well, you're
going to send all this money to have this done.
It's going to make you perfect and it'll last forever.
And then it doesn't. So that if you don't really
think about that, and I'm sure what we're talking about now,
like I feel like we're just like doze in the wood, just walking
out and like realizing something that I'm sure half the people in
the world who, who goes through Plastic street, they like, yeah,
no shit. Or they themselves are like,
yeah, that was the drawback. Like I too thought I'd be
perfect forever. And then I was like, wait, I got
to do this again in 10 years. Like I could barely afford it
the first time. Well, yeah, it's like you got to
get like, you know, going for a checkup every 10 years or so
when they have boobs. It's just things you don't think
of because you think like, oh, it's going to last forever
because, but it's not, yeah. No, I mean, I was going to, I
was going to have that butt implant, but not anymore.
The BBL. Yeah, I just definitely going to
do it. But some Larsa butt, yeah.
But no. Don't need it, no.
Don't need all that maintenance. No, it's looking at things I
don't want. It's a personal scene with
Gretchen Slade. Yeah, you are a friend of.
I know they're trying to establish or, you know, go back
off of what she revealed, what they both revealed last week.
But it was so set up. And obviously these, whenever
they had these conversations with like husbands or life
partners and the wives or friends, it's all set up.
Like, what did you do last night?
But they have an agenda, plain and simple.
And she wanted him to say that. He wanted to say that.
The one honest thing he says in this entire conversation is that
he's still bitter about Tamra. Well, no shit.
Yeah, that's. Quite obvious you are, I do.
Believe that the whole whatever they wanted to have happen, I
think that it got away from Gretchen.
I think Gretchen didn't want it to be as escalated as it got
because I think Gretchen shows a lot of like, I think she's
genuinely embarrassed that like she that it got there.
I don't think that like I think she tried to get, she knew it
was going to get towards there. I think she was hoping that it
would just be like, we're going to go ahead and insinuate
something happened, but we're not going to go ahead and say
that something happened. And I think I.
Don't know. She was really quick to say
affair. She was very quick to say that.
I know, but that's what I think. I think maybe she was like, oh,
she had an affair and she's going to leave it at that and be
like, well, I'm not going to say anything more.
And then Slade went ahead and was like, and then they were
recording and Rodenbaugh. He he put too much on it right
that it was, but they were eventually going to ask the
details of like, how do you know she had an affair?
And the only reason you would know that is because you
allegedly heard this audio of her screwing this guy because
they were messing around in the studio and like, oh, the mic's
still on. Oh my God.
I. Do like that when it gets retold
the Tamara it's told as though and I I never thought that this
is the case and correct me if you did.
I don't think they made it seem like Slade has a recording of
them screwing. Which no, because he never said
he always like I heard it. I don't have a recording.
He made that very clear. But it make it makes it seem
like when they retell Tamara that like he has a copy of it
listens to right regularly. That's what that's on Emily
because she didn't convey this story right.
Girls, you gotta. There's also too.
She'd been drinking as well, so she's in all the details.
But still really creepy to think that he's just like, oh, and I
kept this because oh like. Listen to it.
Yeah, No, I do think you're like it got bigger than it was, but
like she has been Tamara. Yeah, as pissed Gretchen off for
so long and she's been ready to reveal this because Tamra
exposed her affair when Gretchen was with her fiance Jeff.
Yeah. And quickly that's how Gretchen
got so when towards the end she got so pissed off when she
started talking about that. And you could tell if that's the
motivator. For like the that's when she
like when she lost her cool and I think that's the real you.
So yeah, I don't know. It's just we'll, we'll get more
to it at the end, but it's just, oh, I didn't need to see them,
the scene of them and like talking about this crap.
The one thing and I don't again, I, I don't have AI have barely a
pot to piss in with our life, but I do like to see Gretchen
and Slade at home because their house is very small compared to
to everyone else's. And it's fine.
It's nothing wrong with it. I'm they have a nice life for
themselves. But like, you know, well, we,
you know, it looks like they have rooms like they don't have.
When you're a single income household.
But they don't have like, formal living room, formal dining room.
They have like all the rooms you need to live in a house.
They have, you know, family room, eating area, kitchen.
It's not like they live in this lavish place like, you know,
Emily does. Or even Emily's house by
comparison, which is pretty normal, is still much larger.
Or Heather's, I think as we were talking about Heather.
'S well, no, no. Heather, of course, lives in a
giant. Yeah, yes, that's what I'm
saying. Like but.
I'm saying like even people who live in a quote UN quote modest
house, even Gina's place looks bigger than Gretchen's.
So that's, you know, it's interesting to see.
The thing I didn't like is that they have a stupid little word
art by the staircase. It says like wifey and husby or
something like that. You are not a wifey.
You've never been a wifey. Well, you never will be a wifey.
To Slade. No, she's not.
She's never been married. She was only engaged and he
died. Okay, yes, but off of Gretchen,
I don't really don't want to. Talk we're gonna have to get
back to unfortunately later on. No, let's.
Stop this episode right now, no more Gretchen.
Well, The thing is, and I don't know if we need should we bleep
this about who the boy band singer.
Feel like everyone on the Internet's saying it.
Yeah. And we can just.
Allegedly what the. Internet's saying.
Is that the guy that she that Terma allegedly had the affair
with was Jeff Timmons from 1983? And rewinding it every time they
blur their mouth. They say it fast enough like you
could say Jeff Timmons. And also the fact that every
time they say it, that Jeff Timmons and it just seems like
the cadence is right. Were they really afraid that
Jeff Timmons was going to suit them?
Well, I think, I think that's bleeped out.
I think it's bleeped out more for he's not involved in this.
He's not asking to be involved in this, right?
It's more more of a courtesy. He's a public figure of sorts,
you know. Like, does she even was it even
this guy that like, 'cause not to get skipped too out of too
far ahead. But like Tamara says, you know,
I recorded the song. It was, it was being funny.
I know that I knew this boy band guy in my neighborhood and so,
you know, but whatever. But like it never got released.
I don't have an audio permit, you know, whatever.
The fact that others were like saying it, and Tamara didn't
seem to deny that she knew this person.
Yes. And so whatever.
Because she's something to hide. Because she's saying she didn't
have an affair. Right.
And even if she. But she was very quick to say
when I was presented, I was working it with with Simon.
Simon I was with Eddie, which can still be an affair if she's
even though they weren't married.
If she it could be said that she was cheating on Eddie with this
dude. So we're bouncing all around and
we're like, like, that is different for us.
But here's the thing. What does it matter?
Does why does Gretchen care? Why does anyone care even if
even if Tamara screwed half of Orange County, what business of
anyone's is it so? And the only reason I get to it
is that like it's some sort of moral high ground when you have
this whole like especially if you're religious, it's.
Not that. I know, but like, is it though
where it's like, oh, you're not living a Christian life?
It's not that at all. It's all about payback for for
Tamra saying that Gretchen was having an affair.
It has nothing to do with Gretchen's current situation and
how she views Tamra. It's more so you did this to me.
You made-up all these allegedly made have all these lies about
me, and now I'm going to do the same to you because I have all
this information because people send the all these things.
News flash, people send housewives a bunch of stuff in
DMS, on Twitter, whatever, trying to get onto the show.
So this idea of like you're not special, Tamara could say
everyone sends people send me something about Shannon, about
Heather, about Gina. You decide what you use or not,
right? Right.
So she's chosen. And this whole idea of like you
don't want it's so mirrors marks of like, you don't want to know
what I know about you. I could just expose her right
here and take you down. That's why like Tamara's like,
go ahead and say it then. Yes.
And then even if they're confessional, go ahead and say
it and she doesn't say it right because she has nothing.
The the moment it's passed a little bit because I didn't want
to interrupt you. But what Tamara should have said
was everyone sends things to Katie and.
Then Katie pops up. You're right.
Bang Bang. Did someone say my name?
Someone name Someone name. That would have been really good
if she'd be like, well, people send things to Katie and look
where it gets her. You know, everybody was like the
whole prank of, you know, when they rolled up Katie and stuff.
Oh, hey, guys. It was like roll the window,
roll the window. Oh God.
So lame. So yeah, I mean, I guess we can
back up to them going to the self-defense Club.
Well, as we talk about Tamara and Eddie, oh, cuz there's the
Tamara Eddie scene versus the Gretchen and Slade scene.
And yeah, but like, I like it. Eddie was like Sharon's time,
like Gretchen's evil, like Shannon's just a little
wackadoo. Gretchen will steal your soul
like. Yeah, he's just like, well,
whatever, you know? But also, like, I think Tamara
and Shannon actually have been friends and probably, you know,
besides, you know as much. As many years.
As much as we say that a lot of these women are friends only on
the show, and evidently like a lot of their friendship was for
the show, they clearly have spent time off the show
together. Maybe not as much as like real
friends would do, they weren't like hanging out all the time.
But I. Think they were like as Tamara's
is that they were talking all the time and that's why I was a
bit draining, you know whatever, don't talk about that because
it's all like oh, Tamara's the bad one as if Shannon is like
this Angel but whatever well. Shannon's recovering.
She's licking her wounds, getting her strength back.
Why? She's doing lick your gabs.
Look at her wounds. Like a cat, she's like.
Anyways, I'm not trying to like, you know, throw whatever at
Shannon, but it's just it's so it's not actually no, what we
should talk about before we get into the freaking.
Self-defense class, yeah, is. Actually, this was the ultimate
defense class. Yeah.
See, when Gina said I don't, Shannon was making this as she
finally got to a mountain out of a molehill.
You mean a mole out of a mountain hill or a mountain set
of a mountain side? And like any Yosemite, I don't
know, like Shannon was making it seem as if Tamara's like your
father's an alcoholic. He specs back.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Engineer's like it didn't happen
like that. And I think she wasn't trying
to. She wasn't going after you.
But Shannon wouldn't hear it. And when Shannon said if anyone
else said that, I would've been pissed to lies.
Yeah, yeah. If Shannon said it, if Shannon
said it, Nope. He'd be totally like, guys, no,
that's not how it happened. Shannon was thinking, had Katie
said that, I would have done the same thing because that's.
Probably had Katie breathed air, Shannon would have lost her her
mind. You'd.
Say it, I already swore a lot. No, I say shit all the time.
I know every episode, every episode lately we've just been
marking explicit. I'm just not.
I'm over it. Yeah, I don't know, like last
episode when I was like dropping too many F bombs.
It's like I don't need to. That's true.
Yeah. You and your gutter mouth.
So gutter. So can we talk about the whole
self-defense thing? I'm going to 1st off the fact
that their logo flash so so heavily on the camera every
every cutscene. A lot of.
Branding, a lot of branding. Clearly they promise these
people let us do this and we will advertise the F out of you.
But just in general, that whole thing just felt so Orange
County, like Orange Curtain Orange County, like it was very
it's felt very conservative in the way that like we're going to
do a self-defense class and just kind of the the logo, the font,
everything about that insides just look like women.
You should be afraid. We're going to go ahead because
you're right, you're meek. You're meek women, you have to
learn how to take care of yourself.
It's not even like you're meek, it's just the world is so scary
and bad that you need to write yourself.
Right. It wasn't like.
Like scary and bad. Not that I'm saying things can't
bad can't happen everywhere, but right, Scary and bad isn't
really going to come to certain parts of Orange County.
Well, no, I'm not saying that I feel the way Heather reacted to
a lot of it. Like you're like, you know,
honey, don't, don't think your money's gonna solve everything
right down to it. I pray nothing, you know,
happens. But, you know, just kind of
tempting fate with that or like, oh, my money will take care of
me. You're my 12.
I wouldn't say anything. I would never.
But what I'm like, I just feel like on other franchises, if
they did it like in New York, didn't they do a self-defense?
They did the boxing and on. Right, Leah or the.
Boxer and everything. And Leah.
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They would always do it more of a women's empowerment thing and
it. But like this didn't seem like
women's empowerment at all. Like even the housewives didn't
phrase it really like that. Yeah.
It was more for like, you know, the world's a scary place in
which the world is a scary place.
I'm not denying that. But to like really lean in on
the fear side of things was just like really a different feeling
for me. I mean, even like just the whole
the setup of like, let's test how you're going to react to the
situation. That's just really weird to do
that to somebody. You know, you really could have
scared someone shitless in that moment.
But also too, and not to blame anyway, but like roll up your
window. My window is never down.
My oh so yeah. Windows are never down.
Rolled up their windows down. So it makes me wonder if they
like rolled like if the driver rolled them down and like and
locked. Unlocked it.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I.
Put on the child safety lock so no one opened that door and like
hit the guy with it. I just love that.
Damn, was like, take Gina, Yeah. I mean, the fact that they, she
reacted so quickly, just like jumped over Gina, like, yeah, I
mean. Camera's not playing, no.
No. And I like that Shannon, like
was kind of reacting. I was like, wait, this is for
the show. Like her idea of like and then I
kick him and he kicks my he grabs my leg and pulls me out
the window. I'm like, what could happen?
And it was fun to watch. But yeah, if, if you ever, if
you ever do that to me, if. You ever do that to me?
I don't like surprises, period. I don't want a surprise party.
I don't want a surprise fake mother carjacking.
Yeah. Can you imagine?
Can we talk about Gretchen's stupid Lara Croft?
Look at how oh I accidentally went for this.
That parade was so bad, so easily detached.
Let's pretend, let's pretend for a moment that she said for one
second, I'm doing a self-defense class.
I need an outfit. Hey, I'm going to go to my
closet and get this full. I'm.
Going to say say hey Siri. I'm going to go to my closet.
This this bodysuit. OK, All right.
Yeah, all right. And then I'm going to put on
this holster. Oh, I look kind of like Laura
Croft. Do I have a giant ass braid
somewhere that looks like the Lara Croft braid?
Hey glam team. Yeah, like how did you
accidentally do get the fuck out of here?
No one falls into that braid. Yeah, like no the.
Chainmail kind of around it, yeah.
No, no, no, no. That was so bad.
I do like the Tamara was like, well, I, you know what could be
happening. I'm sure there's a costume
involved and. Or I've always said it's like
Lara Croft. Amazon.
Yeah, Croft. I Croft.
Yes. Amazon, I wasn't getting the I
wasn't sure if she was saying like Amazonian Laura Croft or
like. No Amazon like this is the cheap
version of Angela. Shine or Shane or whatever how
you say Shane. Shane.
Yeah, it would have been that. Amazon.
It was costume. It was, it was a little, it was
a little, it was a little spirit.
Yeah, I would have said spirit Halloween.
I would love to see Bronwyn on Salt Lake do a Lara Croft.
You know, like because Bronwyn wouldn't do like a full on
costume, she would do like costume adjacent it.
Would be a better like it it. It was a little cheap.
It was a. It was a.
She looked great. I mean if.
No, her body is great. Yeah, this is the outfit and the
braid. And it was.
It was the well, yeah, the poof of it.
It wasn't like like Laura Croft is like slicked back with the
hair, but she had like a poof. Like I don't even know she.
Can't get that one out from that stupid pink look where she has
well. She also just loves like that
wisp. She can never let go of that
wisp. And she loves like it's.
Yeah, she's constantly touching her hair.
Watch it you'll you'll never be able to Unsee it.
How much Gretchen will touch that hair anyways?
Keep my eye. Yeah, so they get there.
They do split into teams. Elf defense Elbow elbow on gun.
Cover cover your 12 Shannon. You know as much as I thought
for immediately Shannon would be like no, I'm not doing this.
I'm going to go sit over here. She.
Got really into it. She got really doing.
She does. I think in a lot of those
activities get into it. I always expect her to be more
like kind of Ramona in a lot of those regards where she's like,
I'm whatever and like kind of half assing it, right.
But she gets into it and I, I was, I was actually kind of a
little proud of her. I think, yeah.
Had it been like wall climbing like she thought it was?
She really probably like, OK, I'll climb this wall, right?
You know, she does it. I think maybe she's probably got
a lot of guff about like weaving scene and going to video village
so much last year. I always think about the first
year we watched OC when she like they went scuba diving or
whatever snorkeling and she had like fall backwards off the
boat. Oh yeah.
Her arm up and everything. Right, good with that.
I just remember, like, she's a good sport when it comes to
these little activities, and it made it, it's surprising to me.
Like I I figured she'd just be someone to be like, oh, I'm not
doing that. But, you know, she did.
It was good. Who knows?
Yeah, I liked it. So finally, you know, producers
like go Emily, go, right? And she tells Gretch or tells
Tamara the whole story about what Gretchen was was saying.
And I feel like at first Tamara's like this shit again.
And then she's like really started thinking about it and
was like, Nope, not today, not today.
And then actually, let's back up a second, Emily.
The best thing that Emily said in that scene was everything
that Gretchen told us was unprovoked.
And she accuses Tamara bringing up bullshit when she is sitting
here bringing up bullshit unprovoked and giving all the
the grimy details and like couldn't wait for it.
And then you cut to Jen. Oh, and her confessional saying,
you know, I've done Gretchen for a bit of time now and I don't
last thing she wants to do is talk about Tamara.
Lies, lies, lies. Cue the the lies, the lies, the
lies of of I had to fly my head. I'm tired.
I. Don't know what you're talking
about. Candy.
That's her. That's her.
Me. And the lies.
Lies, lies. Jen, Why would you set up such
an obvious lie? Do you?
Want to do that again so we can actually like, cut things out?
Yes, okay, okay, again, take 2. The lies, the lies, the lies.
Obviously Gretchen has told you many a thing about Tamra.
You have talked about Tamra. You can like like got together
to conspire against Tamra. I can't imagine there's a time
where Gretchen and Jen have sat down together and.
Not talked about Tamra. Your whole initial meeting was
you said you reached out to Gretchen and said Tamra SOS and
she got on the phone with you right away.
Your whole relationship has been built on hating Tamra, right?
Like, why do you think making us?
Why are you gaslighting me? Do you?
Think they're at dinner and they're like Tamara, Tamara,
blah blah blah blah that I call. Hmm.
OK, so what's new with you? Nothing but you know, Tamara
said. This.
That's exactly exactly. Exactly.
They have nothing else, No.
And if they do, I'd love to know about it.
I'd like to hear about it. But this deep friendship like.
This deep friendship of just this year.
That sounds a foursome that I was like don't want to imagine
with the with Ryan and no, not, no, just like them sitting
together because they all hate Tamara so much.
Freaking Ryan was saying when he said, you know, I admire Shannon
that, you know, she's setting boundaries with Tamara and I
couldn't do it. I just like peaced out, dude.
Tamara's not looking for you. Tamara's not trying to like
whatever. Tamara doesn't know you exist
anymore. That's the fun thing about all
this. Is it like, I mean, even when
they're filming, you know, I can't imagine that Tamara's or
anyone. I can't imagine Tamara, Heather,
Gina, Emily are going home being like, oh, I wonder what they're
talking about. But I get the feeling Gretchen
and Jen are kind of having that conversation.
Because what else do they have? A show that.
Yeah. I mean, at least Jen has her
kids and like they're. Right.
No, I think a lot of, I mean, yes, they obviously have like
children in like lives, but I'm saying like really what?
When I say that, I mean at least Jen is like feet her kids are
getting featured on the show and like they have storylines and
like that's being part of her life on the show as well.
Whereas Gretchen being a friend of we get to see her daughter
yesterday getting put on a lot of sunscreen.
When you're that blonde, you must need a lot of.
Sunscreen. A lot of sunscreen you'd catch
on fire. Yeah, but yeah, so I mean, it's
good. I, I like to see it and I'm, you
know, glad we're meeting other parts of Jen's family other than
and even though we met them. Before no it is yes boy I think
meeting your daughter and needs to know her was really good and
I she's how many kids should have like 6?
5 or 6. Five and then. 65 in the adopted
1. Right, which you know, we.
Shouldn't I know we shouldn't? Qualify that.
Yeah, yeah. So 6 kids, but yeah.
So then Gretchen eventually. Well, Tamara's like, Nope, not
going to do it. And then like brings it up at
the table and you're saying that Gretchen seemed really
embarrassed and like she could look her in the eye.
She. Wouldn't look her in the eye
like. And tried to like, throw it at
Emily and Emily's like, no, no, no, no, girl.
Like we weren't provoking this. OK, you.
And then even Heather, I like that Heather stepped in and was
like, OK, it started off silly. Yeah, we were just talking about
it. And then her, her single came
up. And then she then she was like,
oh, did you know Tamara's tried to sing a song?
And it started off all goofy. We wanted to hear the song.
And then she, you know, and so I liked that Heather was kind of
trying to diplomat the situation.
Because she's friends of both of them.
Right. And I think it was, I think it
was legitimately true that it what did start off goofy and
then Heather or Gretchen took that opportunity to be like, oh,
and then allegedly Jeff Timmons. Yeah, it could have been like
listen to like how bad Tamara sounds.
We even Tamara was like, I sounded bad, right?
But instead it went to a malicious place, right?
That's what freshman Slay do. So you and I talked about this
as well. You mentioned it.
You're the keen one who spotted it.
Like Tamara did get ahead of all this in all, in every sense, in
every step of the way. So when she mentioned like, yes,
I knew someone in a boy band and I sang, I was awful.
Like I don't think I was good. So she got ahead of that.
She was able to like, or at least the editors put that in.
So she could be like, I'm aware that this exists.
And then she also got ahead of the whole.
Notion of that it could have had something, something could have
happened with me and this guy right when she said because she
said. I was broken up with.
Simon and I had just started seeing Eddie.
Eddie. So if you try to throw at me
that I had an affair, that's not true, right?
Although again, as I said earlier, it could be considered
cheating because she was with Eddie.
But again, what's it matter to Gretchen?
Tamara could cheat on 100,000 men and it has nothing to do
with Gretchen unless she was. The thing about this, everything
is from the past. There's nothing like currently
that Gretchen herself, the other woman of of course, Shannon.
Shannon could point to things that Tamara's done to them
recently. Everything that Gretchen points
out happened a decade ago or a decade ago.
We had to rewind to pause and see what that that.
Article was 2014, yes. Then what?
It doesn't matter anymore. Like you say you want to move on
at the beach and then pop jump to LA and you're talking shit.
And now this time now you're threatening.
Like, I could say so much more than say it than say it.
Yeah, but also like, do you No one's saying you need to be
friends. They say you saying you need to
coexist. That's what you're saying for
yourself. You made a made-up on the beach,
but then you just keep progressing.
You can't help yourself that you hate her so much and Tamara's
not doing the same thing. Tamara wasn't then Temecula
saying, you know, I have this, someone sent me the story about
Gretchen from like back in 2012. But actually going back stopping
for a second because I don't know like the whole back story.
I probably if I go and read it, I can figure it out of this guy
that Tamara claims that Gretchen was hooking up this guy,
cheating on her fiance with him. Then they she got caught and
then it was like no, this guy's talking to me.
And then she talked shit about him, He talked shit about her.
They sued each other. It got into a mess.
Whereas Gretchen phrases it as this guy who she was not having
an affair with but who was obsessed with her and was
stalking her and sued her and then she won.
So I don't know all the details except for what I just spouted
out, but regardless, it was decades ago, I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, like also if you're yeah, like you might be pissed
off about it, it may sting, it may hurt.
Your pride may have fallen because of that.
Like you may be really upset about it, but best what is the
best revenge of life well lived like?
It's not it's it's that, yes, but it's also you now have the
ability to control the narrative about who you are in your
current life and what you want to talk about.
But when you tie yourself to the past and these old beefs, then
you were stuck there and you're allowing your story to revolve
around Tamra, right? So as much as you hate Tamra,
you are making Tamra the center of your world and your existence
on the show. So what does that do for you?
And why would we want to have you stick around when you're not
bringing anything new to the table as a housewife?
Well, I mean, she wants to do it because it gets her paycheck
clearly, obviously. But to answer your question, I
think maybe the the hope of bringing this up is that it'll
create a new beef that can then be modern and carry on.
But there isn't any new It's just like I'm mad at like
Tamara's mad because you're trying.
You're lying about things that happened, supposedly happened
years ago. So there's no if Tamara had done
something to Gretchen right this second, there's the issue,
right? But she didn't.
So would it be better than for Gretchen to just yeah, I guess
you're right. It would be better for Richard
to not bring up the past and anything and just kind of if she
was looking for, she could set a trap that would like be a
moderation. She could wait for something for
Tamara to be her own worst enemy and create a drama that she
could say, see, see, like this happened yesterday.
And yeah, but when you're relying on your whole basis of
hating Tamara being something from 2013, what do you where do
we go? You're right, because she does
start doing that with a lot of like, you know, when she hears
about the whole Shannon dad thing.
Yeah, that sounds like Tamara. You know, she kind of gives.
I don't know if she said that exactly, but like, when things
like that happen, Gretchen will pipe in real quick and be like,
Oh yeah, see, that's why we can't.
Trust as well Jen yeah as well Jen.
Yeah Jen did a shitty job of like trying to like be in
Gretchens corner. You prove nothing, Jen.
Gretchen does not want to talk about Tamara.
That's all I know. I just like you're going to get
hit by lightning, honey, and you look good in that confessional.
That'd be a shame. I know.
It's really one of your best looks.
The the you were saying as we sat down that like, you're like,
I just wish there was more show. Well, each time it ends, I'm
like, I want to know more. Like I want to see more like.
I want the previews with Tamara being mad at.
Heather and Emily. Yeah, I want to see that.
It was cute. It was cute.
You guys should have been here. Jeff sat down and he was like,
it's like, I just want more show.
I want more show. And he's like pretty.
He's doing their job exactly like he was.
Just good on you. He was just.
So hard and he's like, good, good for you doing what you're
supposed to do show. That's why we need screeners,
yeah. We need to work on that, really
do. We got to get our PR team
revved. Up rights.
Come on PR team. Oh, he doesn't listen to this.
Horrible, horrible. Entire camping trip with someone
with APR background and he said oh I could probably do but I'm
like then do. It do it show me.
And he's not even listened to our show once.
I got to guilt that mofo right? Anyway.
Heavy on the MO. Very heavy on the MO, sometimes
on the foe. I wish you enjoyed eating pho
because I could make another faux joke, right?
Anyway, I you know. Did we cover all the bases?
We covered all the bases. Poor, poor Katie.
Come on. I know, OK.
She Katie should have showed up like at the self-defense class.
They should have her come in and be like an assailant and like,
be like. Takes off the mask.
Yeah, be like, be like, then someone's coming at you,
Shannon. Then she takes off the mask and
Shannon's like, yeah. And like Dexter, you know.
No, that would not be good. No, but I mean like throws her
to the deck. Judo roll.
No, we're going to cut that out. No, we're in that.
That's innocent. We don't promote violence.
You're too paranoid. I'm not paranoid.
We just don't promote violence. I don't even decking anybody.
Tamara getting so close to Gretchen, like, I feel like
Gretchen needs to to like, use the self-defense and like put
out her elbows. Gretchen grabbed her wrists.
Real quick, yeah. Yeah, she was coming at Jen, but
I didn't feel like she was in like touch her, but definitely
I. Went through the napkins.
No, I was going to say it was similar to the whole Jen Aiden
and Danielle Cabral glass in the face.
Yeah, that was one where it did seem like Jen was really coming
at. Oh, she she prepared that for
sure. But again, don't they don't
condone it should turn out elbows.
Oh, Katie, Katie should shut up. And a better Laura Craft Croft
Laura Craft craft. Craft singles.
A better Laura Croft outfit and be like, yeah, screw you,
Correct. And they're like, Oh no, she
shouldn't have because, you know, we shouldn't do that.
Interconventional Gretchen got really close to like a high out
of like. Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Show your colors that horrible horrible outfit that she did 2
takes of because the hair is different and one of them it's
higher. Yeah.
Trying to get closer to Jesus. Try, try as you might try.
And all right, well, it looks like we got everything covered.
Yes, and suddenly much more tired now.
I know because we like all the adrenaline's pumped.
In the adrenaline, I know the adrenaline.
I think, I think we had a nice little adrenaline pump.
And now I'm just like, OK, I'm ready to relax.
Yeah. So we got to go watch some Miami
and then do an episode tomorrow. It'll be all good.
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