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Welcome to another episode of 
Husbands Watching Housewives. 

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I'm Scott and I'm Jeff, and we 
just watched episode of The Real

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Housewives of Orange County. 
Or Temecula. 

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Yeah, well, if you will. 
Or Beverly Hills. 

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She wishes. 
I like my voice just cracked a 

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little bit right there we went a
little. 

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We're not killing. 
It's time. 

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To change. 
Yes, I'm a I'm a modern day 

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Peter Brady. 
Yes, Yeah, it's a good episode. 

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It was, like you said, in the 
middle of it, like a low stakes 

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strike, insanely low stakes 
drama. 

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But that's what we need after 
all this, you know, dark lying, 

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drugging conversation. 
Right. 

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But they don't need to be like 
an in between. 

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And I think it's going to go 
shift to dark again next week, 

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but we'll get to that. 
Yeah, it's it's kind of like 

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there are some moments there's 
some funny moments, but it just 

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feels like there's an there's an
elephant in the room without 

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them being in the room because 
without Katie there, it's so 

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obvious that she's not there and
that we're just like, we're just

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carrying on like as normal. 
But as normal is just, you know,

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as normal is cuts on my head. 
Heather is afraid of Tamara and 

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Shannon and Tamara. 
I don't give AI don't and Jenna 

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the fatty photo. 
Well, but I mean, they're at 

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least getting to and addressing 
some of the. 

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They're addressing with. 
They're not letting it go, but 

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we'll go in order, OK, All 
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That's fair. 
How did it start? 

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I mean, I, I forget it, I forget
exactly how it started. 

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With it was a montage of like, 
you know, Shannon at the facial 

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doc facial, doctor facial. 
Dermatologist. 

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There you go with her daughter 
and other things, blah blah 

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blah. 
How about I give this a try? 

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To me it, it started with Tamara
calling Shannon to invite her on

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the lights. 
And that's really what where 

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that started happening. 
And that's where like Shannon 

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was like Tamara did a really 
good impression of of Shannon 

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too, where she's like, yeah, I 
called her and I was just like 

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when she's explaining to Emily, 
I guess I called her and I was 

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like invited her and she was 
just kind of like, well, I guess

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like, aren't I? 
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll be 

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there. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I'm just exhausted by the OK. 
And I've said this before, what 

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Tamara did to Shannon last year 
was horrible. 

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And she just needs to like be 
like that was horrible. 

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I think she has and she's really
tried to apologize and it's just

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not resolving itself. 
And it's Shannon has. 

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I would I wish Shannon would say
you have every right to be wary 

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of me giving what I did to you. 
And I know we're not going to 

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get to back to where we were. 
And you know, I totally get it. 

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I just want to be cool in scene 
or on these trips or these 

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gatherings. 
You're saying Tamara can say 

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this to Shannon? 
Yes, like I, you have every 

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right not to trust me, right? 
Right. 

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And to be wary of having a 
friendship with me. 

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And so if we can just keep it 
cool and cordial and have fun. 

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But I understand if you don't 
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friendship that we had. 
But I think that's the problem 

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is that Tamara isn't saying that
right? 

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Tamara is trying to just jump 
from being in a shitty place to 

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everything's fine without doing 
it. 

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Well, also too, it's like, you 
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Tamara jumps back and forth like
she'll have a scene with Eddie 

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and saying like, you know, da, 
da, da, da, it's never going to 

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be back the way it was. 
And then she's like, well, I 

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want to like having Shannon 
having my back in New Orleans. 

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And so I don't know, I'm just 
just don't be friends anymore. 

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Like, just be cool acquaintances
and have fun. 

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But I don't want to have the 
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again. 
It's like we had a reunion. 

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We had it like it in various 
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It's just exhausting. 
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Shannon's expressing herself and
not running away. 

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She could have like stormed out 
of that cellar wherever they 

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were at the end of the episode. 
But she was like, you go so low 

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and like she's making valid 
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I just don't care about them 
anymore. 

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I don't it's not. 
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say because I am like a huge 
Tamara fan, but it's not beyond 

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it's beyond that. 
It's like I just, even if I was 

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a huge Shannon fan, I'd be like,
let's get on to the next. 

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I think the problem is and is 
that Tamra's like it just seems 

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too performative. 
Like Gina was absolutely right. 

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Just sit there, drink your wine 
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Quit pointing out what's going 
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You don't need to narrate the 
scene like I know you like me. 

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It's like that. 
Just don't even don't even be 

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like, I feel so good that we're 
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you're not in a good place. 
You're getting there. 

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Just let things be. 
I mean, I, I do understand that,

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like, as, as far as television 
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it was just like, yeah, things 
are kind of progressing, you 

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know, they, we, you need to have
these kind of, you know, obvious

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moments. 
And that's what Tamara's trying 

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to do. 
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It means to be more subtle, yes,
but I also think and going back 

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to or going to a point that 
Tamara makes it the episode, you

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know, she acted horribly towards
Shannon, but it didn't come out 

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of nowhere. 
Right. 

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And she was coming off of like, 
I feel hurt by you. 

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And it was that was never really
addressed because she didn't say

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it in a really good like at the 
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didn't like really say This is 
why I'm her XYZ. 

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It's kind of got a little 
muddled, at least what we did 

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see. 
Maybe there was more to it, 

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whatever, but. 
That is what I enjoyed. 

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I enjoyed that. 
You know, Tamara was at least 

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with both Jen and Shannon just 
saying like with the whole photo

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coming up and like, like telling
Jen, like I was mad at you. 

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I was being, I was being shady, 
like, yeah, and just owned. 

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Like, I think if Tamara was 
more, did more of that more 

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often, I think then people would
start to believe her and start 

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to like give her more or give 
her at all a benefit of the 

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doubt, you know? 
It's like, you know, it didn't 

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exist in the bubble, in a in a 
vacuum of just like Tamara's, 

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like the worst thing ever to 
Shannon, like it was not 

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unprovoked. 
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That's the weird way of saying 
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Sorry, but it, you know, I 
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that she caught on or heard that
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her in between seasons or how 
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you know, potato after Tamara 
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So it's just, I don't think 
Shannon is 100% like the best 

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friend to people. 
No, I think other people can 

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attest to that. 
They're not Tamara even like 

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Vicki. 
So just to like this whole like,

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oh, poor Shannon. 
I'm tired of evicting Shannon. 

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I really am like, you just got 
to like buck up and move on 

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because as Tamara says, as some 
people say, this is about 

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conflict and resolution resolve.
Right, right. 

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OK, right, right. 
And let's go on to the next 

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thing. 
Because it's just, it's so 

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tedious. 
So yeah, I just don't be 

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friends. 
Like just be cool and keep it 

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moving because if you try to go 
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this happy thing and like, oh, 
we have so much fun together, 

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but you don't until you but. 
Don't. 

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That's the problem though, is 
Tamara's trying to make it. 

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And she needs to stop. 
And you know, Shannon's just 

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like, no, like, how is that 
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So. 
Just stop. 

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Leave her. 
Leave each other. 

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Leave shadow love. 
Leave each other on the road 

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where you found each other. 
Okay, And like keep it good, 

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keep it moving off other the 
other women and just keep that 

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in the I feel like there's so 
many people on other shows who 

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don't like each other and they 
just they don't really address 

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it and they just keep it moving.
Right. 

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But this is supposed to be 
there, you know, used to be 

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besties, you know, they're the 
Tres Amigas and all. 

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That stuff and it's not. 
It's not, Yeah. 

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It just doesn't need to be, you 
know? 

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Let's give up on Dos Amigas. 
Exactly. 

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Backing up a little bit, like, 
you know, they divided the group

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into two different and it was 
basically the the blondes versus

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the brunettes. 
No, no, I guess it's Gretchen 

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still there. 
But right. 

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Well, she's probably really 
brunette, right? 

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I think she's actually no, but 
we've seen pictures. 

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Pictures of her, like from her 
youth. 

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She's blonde. 
That shade of blonde is not 

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natural. 
Yeah, I did. 

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I so I did like that. 
They made it seem like Temecula 

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was, you know, to Helen gone 
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Is, you know, I looked it up. 
It's an hour and 15 minutes 

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without traffic, right. 
So they made it seem like 

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Shannon was just like looking 
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every random thing that came to 
mind, which she probably was. 

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But it was cute. 
They did the the deep. 

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Bots. 
Which I wonder if they had to 

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pay SNL money for that. 
No, but no. 

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That was cute and it was funny 
and like just the kind of the 

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whole trip over. 
I don't. 

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Shannon has also travelled with 
Cookware in the past, right? 

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She did it last year when they 
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like? 
La Quinta or whatever. 

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Quinta yeah, to put because of 
that old housewives like, yeah, 

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that Elizabeth was with Vargas. 
Vargas yeah, that just seems 

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like a weird thing to do. 
Like, but she, like she talks 

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about it so matter of factly 
that like, yeah, it's my 

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suitcase for my cookware. 
But you're not going camping. 

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And you're like, maybe she's 
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what she has for breakfast. 
I don't know. 

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Or maybe that's her way of like 
her contribution is she's going 

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to. 
Make breakfast and so she's 

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like, I want to be comfortable 
with like my cookware because I 

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it makes sense because I think 
like trying to find stuff and 

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then foreign place. 
Still I mean. 

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Her off and she wouldn't be able
to like she's easily 

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discombobulated. 
That's true. 

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I just know that I I wouldn't 
travel with cookware for a day 

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in my life. 
No, a whole suitcase worth. 

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I had to bring an immersion 
blend. 

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And some of this pasta. 
Yeah, and this platter, OK. 

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I serve my my wares. 
It's just. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Kind of bizarre, but I I liked 

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the group divide. 
I mean, I didn't, I didn't put 

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two and two together until I 
think Heather said, well, well, 

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Tamara's out on her apology 
tour. 

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And I was like, oh, that is 
exactly what this is going to be

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is the apology tour. 
And Gina, basically, it's like 

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she's like, I'm fine with Gina, 
it's Jen. 

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And I feel like though all they 
did was talk about Tamara and 

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right every scene. 
Well, no. 

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So the the minute that Emily and
Gretchen got to Heather's, 

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they're like, yeah, we were 
talking about Tamara on the way.

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We're. 
Like, no, no, no, I'm not 

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talking about that. 
I'm talking about like, just 

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like that single Gina and 
Shannon and Jen where it's like,

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are you gonna go Shannon Dah, 
dah, dah. 

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Well, Tamara and like in our 
relationship. 

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And I'm like, I don't want to 
talk about this anymore. 

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Yeah, Like, I'm so tired. 
And it's like, it's all you have

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to talk about because you're not
talking about Katie anymore 

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because you iced her off the 
show. 

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That they're they're, that's 
just, I think one of the 

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problems of this show is that 
they're, they're going to focus 

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on whoever the most 
controversial is every, every 

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time. 
And they don't know how to share

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the wealth or spread around. 
I guess so. 

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I it's just I didn't love, I 
liked parts of the episode. 

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I didn't love the episode as a 
whole. 

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I mean, I, I thought it was a 
nice palate cleanser. 

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I I like, I was about to say 
before you derailed me. 

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I like that when they got to 
Heather's that they were like, 

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she was like, yeah, we're 
talking about Heather or Tamara 

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the whole way over. 
Like, well, he had no shit. 

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You were talking shit. 
Like what else were you going to

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be? 
And that's the thing. 

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Is it like Tamara lives rent 
free and all their? 

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Heads. 
And I'm a little disappointed 

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that Emily is kind of turning on
Tamara, it seems. 

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It's not. 
It's just like it's. 

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She doesn't have her back 
anymore. 

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Yeah, it's it's after last 
season she so had Tamara's back.

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And I don't know what happened 
or whether you know, but this 

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season she seems to be kind of 
secretly kind of positioning 

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things to go against Tamara, 
which, whatever. 

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I mean, I'm well. 
And also this position against 

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Katie and that's see how that's 
working out for her. 

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This is playing out. 
I thought I'd be more irritated 

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that Katie wasn't there like I 
did think about. 

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Like I was like, who's missing? 
Because it's four and three and 

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right, Katie. 
I did think about had Katie been

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still involved, like I think 
that she could have had a fun 

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time in Temecula and just kind 
of doing. 

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Because it could have been. 
Let's also repaired Katie and 

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Shannon so Gina could have gone 
to LA. 

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Right. 
Exactly. 

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Yeah, yeah, so but of course 
Shannon might have freaked out. 

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And also I I guess with having 
the beef with Tamara and Katie 

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would be too much for Shannon. 
I think 1 beef at a time, but. 

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She can't only take so much. 
Yeah, I thought it was 

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interesting that Gina the the 
the Hawaiian tasting like I 

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thought Gina actually had like a
drinking problem. 

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Isn't that the reason why she 
stopped drinking? 

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Correct. 
So, I mean, I, I don't, I don't 

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know very many people that are, 
you know, 12 steps sober, all 

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that stuff. 
I know a handful, but I just 

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know the whole idea of like, 
even just tasting the alcohol, 

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would you have to be like, oh, I
want to do this again. 

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But maybe. 
I mean, hats off to her. 

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That's her program or or yeah, 
it's. 

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I don't know if she's in the 
program. 

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Yeah, yeah, she's stopped 
drinking. 

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It's her situation. 
And so like, maybe it could also

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be the thing that wine was never
her thing. 

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She's like, yeah, wine never did
it for me. 

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It was always, you know, vodka 
or, you know, whatever else. 

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But I was like, hats off to 
Gina. 

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Like at the same time, like as 
we're preparing to go wine 

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tasting for my birthday, I was 
thinking I was just like, Oh, 

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yeah, I guess you, you can just,
you know, spit it out. 

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But I'm like, why would you do 
that? 

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You're spending, I guess they're
not spending money for it. 

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Like you're spending money like 
you want to get, get, get the 

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buzz on and also wine. 
I'm still not of that. 

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My palate is not refined enough 
where I'm like, oh, these sour 

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grapes are delicious, right? 
I'm like, these sour grapes are 

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good because then I get a little
drunk and it's fun, you know, 

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and there's, you know, a flavor 
that goes along with that 

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process. 
But never am I like, this is the

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most amazing beverage. 
I could just drink this all day,

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you know? 
Yeah, also I'm just glad to know

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we got trashed by nobody, I mean
Tamara, well after Vegas trip. 

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'S not over. 
After side of Vegas, after New 

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Orleans, it's like, please, 
please don't, yeah, please don't

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take a zanny, please. 
Oh, she knew better. 

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But I, you know, I did like that
Tamara at least mended some 

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fences at. 
Least I don't think they're 

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totally mended because Jen. 
Jen was trying real hard to not 

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accept the apology and but she 
at least said, you know, Tamara 

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at least got sick. 
What more do you want from me? 

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Like I'm apologizing. 
I'm. 

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She does not want to be friends 
with Tamara. 

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She has it out for Tamara. 
That's why she gained, that's 

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why she got together with 
Gretchen, sent the SOS like they

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do not want Tamara. 
I completely believe Katie, that

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they talk shit about Tamara at 
that dinner. 

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They have an axe grind with 
Tamara. 

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They are coming in hot. 
We'll see you next week. 

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It's so obvious and I'm just 
tired of this like, oh poor Jen.

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I'm just tired of Jen. 
Like I've just really, really. 

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But here's OK, let me go back a 
bit Beats. 

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Yeah, please explain yourself, 
Sir. 

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Yes, what Tamara did. 
Whatever else your motors with 

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the photo, she shouldn't have 
done it. 

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Shouldn't have shown it. 
Like she never called a fatty 

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photo. 
Neither did Shannon. 

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Neither did Heather. 
Gina. 

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Yeah, bad game of telephone. 
They didn't, they didn't even 

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say, they didn't even call it 
the heavy photo. 

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They just said she was heavier. 
Heavier. 

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Yeah. 
They weren't even saying that 

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Jen was less than ideal. 
I'm just saying she's different 

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than she is now, right? 
There was definitely an 

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insinuation with it that like 
she was sloppier looking. 

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Or just just more important, 
very different from like the put

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together Orange County version 
of Jenna we currently see, 

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right? 
Yes, regardless. 

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On a stick. 
That was just horrible 

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regardless. 
And never bring up Ryan Tamra. 

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Like just do you see how that 
went last year? 

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Oh God, you remind me of Ryan's 
cyber truck. 

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Oh God, they were watching a 
cyber truck. 

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I am already surprised. 
I'm not surprised, but I just, I

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hate when cliches are proven 
true and I'm just like, I'm 

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like, oh, of course Ryan owns a 
cyber truck. 

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Oh, God, I, you know. 
Oh. 

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Yes, sorry I can believe it but 
Tamara should have said these 

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things. 
But I completely and I 

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understand why Jen wouldn't want
to or be would be wary just like

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a Shannon. 
But again, she got over conflict

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and resolved, but she's not 
willing. 

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There's underneath that. 
She's like, well, and she keeps 

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pushing the issue and pushing 
the issue and Tamara's like, I 

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don't know what else I can give 
you to make this better. 

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And that's when you get like, 
what do you want? 

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Blood, Right. 
So again, I'm not trying to be 

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hyper defensive of Tamara. 
I'm just saying like, what more 

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needs to happen, Jen, for you to
move on with this? 

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Yeah, because the woman just 
really apologized to you is a 

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performative perhaps, but like 
it's better than if she didn't, 

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then you'd be like, well, she's 
not taking accountability then. 

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She's definitely looking for any
reason to to hate Tamara to 

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continue. 
To hate Tamara so just say you 

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freaking hate her and move on 
like this. 

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What this? 
Like she, Chin always positions 

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herself to be the victim. 
And it's so tiring because we 

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know you're not I. 
Didn't realize you had such 

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strong opinions. 
It just really can't because 

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like, it's just so much of her, 
of her everything is just very 

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fake. 
And I just I don't I don't buy 

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her. 
I don't believe it. 

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I don't feel bad for her. 
I think what's been done to her,

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Tamara is shitty and shouldn't 
have been done, but I don't 

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completely believe she's this 
victim, this all these things 

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just happened to her. 
Right, Right, right. 

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You know, And I don't believe 
her amnesia when it comes to 

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Katie. 
When it comes to Katie. 

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Yeah, yeah, that whole 
situation. 

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And I think anyone who's like 
anybody out with Gretchen, I'm 

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like side eye. 
So overall, Jen, I'm just like, 

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I am side eyeing you like you 
are not what you're trying to 

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present yourself as. 
I'm not buying. 

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It and I think that's pretty it 
becomes clear when she's you can

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tell when she's taking in what 
Tamara's saying and be like, OK,

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that makes sense. 
But you can also see the gears 

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turning of like how can I 
invalidate what she's saying? 

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How can I make it so that yes, 
this is true and I hear you and 

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I appreciate what you're saying,
but it's irrelevant because you 

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still did and I'm still mad 
about it. 

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Right. 
I mean, keep my stand, right, 

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You know, and in her 
professional, like it totally 

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made sense what she was saying 
about the whole how she wasn't 

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her best self in that photo and,
you know, and not doing great in

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her marriage and like, you know,
being stressed out with having 

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the kids and like, you know, 
touring their food as a comfort 

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that I'm not like, yeah, 
discounting at all. 

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I'm just saying how current 
reaction and how she chooses to 

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move forward or not. 
I'm like, no, no. 

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I I for what? 
I'm glad that the photo came 

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out, but they looked at the 
photo that everyone agreed that 

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like no one looked good enough 
for that actor it. 

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Was like everyone. 
Was like we all, I mean we all 

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look pretty bad, but on top of 
that, like yes, Tamara was 

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definitely being shady. 
She admits to it. 

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She brought it, wanted to put 
something and just say like, 

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look, she is a completely 
different person now than she 

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was before. 
But I don't think that Tamara 

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would deny that for all the 
reasons Jen said. 

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She's different. 
And that's kind of what she, you

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know, was saying from the 
beginning, a little bit more 

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dramatically that like she tried
to, she changed herself so much 

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and she like, you know, 
everything she did. 

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And now she's like, looking more
like me, the Orange County I 

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was. 
Surprised she didn't say that. 

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I feel like you were, you know, 
trying to like, be my 

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doppelganger or just like 
presenting yourself in a way 

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that's very similar to how I 
present myself. 

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Right. 
Well, she probably, they knew 

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better than to bring the single 
white female thing. 

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And so but yeah, I mean, I'm, 
I'm glad that the photo came out

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because I think Jen can now also
can't she can't load the weapons

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to be like Tamara showed this 
disgusting photo of me she got. 

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She can see it and be like, OK, 
yeah, it's not the best picture 

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and she definitely had some 
shadiness behind it, but it's 

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not like she showed this picture
of like, Jen £300, you know? 

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Right. 
And even if she did, like that's

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not a horrible thing. 
Like it's just yeah for being 

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300 lbs. 
No, no. 

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Not like I'm saying, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. 

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I know what you meant, but that 
that. 

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So I'm glad that's happened 
because now they can move on. 

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It's not gonna be this big 
question. 

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Mark not gonna be this. 
Well, it's not gonna happen. 

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Probably not, no. 
But. 

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But yeah, I did like, I think 
we're just going to stick to the

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Gina and every side of it for 
now. 

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I mean, should we bounce over to
the others? 

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No, we'll get there. 
I hated the back and forth. 

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I just needed like just one 
clear boom, boom, boom, and then

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like then go to Lai didn't need 
like what are they doing? 

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What are they doing? 
Wonder what they're doing in LA?

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00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,440
Well. 
No, they're they're meeting up 

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with a not at all staged 
paparazzo in the middle of Rodeo

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Dr. Look, I'm Heather. 
You you called the paparazzi, 

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which they love for that, too. 
Like, I I don't care, OK? 

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It's dumb. 
Just say you did it. 

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Whatever. 
This random, like, helpful 

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paparazzo. 
You know what? 

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Heather wouldn't do that. 
It was just a candid shot. 

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It just happened. 
Yeah, I don't care. 

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Papa Lesbo. 
No, I'm sorry, no. 

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Trying to make a play on weird. 
Being gay, you can't say that. 

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00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600
I can, why can't I? 
Oh, come on. 

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We're going to lunch with some 
lesbians. 

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It's great. 
Large. 

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00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,840
Anyway. 
That's a barn you've said LAR I.

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I'm very God. 
I think I keep mixing words like

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Lord and God. 
So but that back down in Lai did

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enjoy that and it was great 
editing of it all of like, you 

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know, Gina trying to 
preemptively get ahead of Tamara

444
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,160
saying something about the 
alcohol because she's like, 

445
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,600
well, I did have a conversation 
with Tamara and it was like, 

446
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,480
well, you're not going to say 
anything like she did without 

447
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,520
saying you're not going to say 
anything. 

448
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,000
She's like, well, everything's 
fine. 

449
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,200
You're not you're not going to 
bring it up. 

450
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,960
And then of course, Tamara at 
the first drop of a hat. 

451
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840
And I just loved the camera was 
right on Gina when it happened 

452
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,600
because Gina's like like of. 
Course that was hilarious. 

453
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,960
Well, Gina's concerned too. 
Yes, I'm concerned. 

454
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,120
But I mean, I also like that 
Gina didn't try to deny it. 

455
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,920
And that's been the problem with
all the other women is that when

456
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,640
they deny that they had the 
conversation, like Gina was 

457
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760
like, well, yeah, I did say it. 
I've been concerned. 

458
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,720
But she definitely, I don't 
think that. 

459
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,400
Gina, she'll soften it next 
week. 

460
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,400
Well, she softened it, I think, 
this week. 

461
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,960
And I don't think that it was 
ever that harsh to begin with. 

462
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,480
It's not like she was going to 
Tamara. 

463
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,880
You know, I'm really concerned 
about Shannon's alcoholism. 

464
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,080
But it was right because it came
to Tamara. 

465
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,880
And correct me if I'm wrong, it 
came to Tamara as like, you 

466
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,000
know, it seems like you're it's 
really, you know, you're sending

467
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,200
mixed signals, like you're going
harder to her about alcoholism, 

468
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,120
but then you're like, hey, 
buddy, let's go get a drink. 

469
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,480
Right. 
Yeah, You know, and it's like. 

470
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,680
You know, I, it must not, you 
know, I'm worried. 

471
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,960
You know, I'm kind of concerned.
What's that doing to her? 

472
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,440
And if she's, you know, having 
struggles with alcohol, then 

473
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,360
that's not making it any better.
Right. 

474
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,400
I think overall Tamara's like 
trying too hard, like oh, here's

475
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720
the primary and like dah dah 
dah, what can I do for you? 

476
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,240
And you know, let me help unpack
your cookware. 

477
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,880
It's like, just let it naturally
happen because you're making it 

478
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,440
awkward, but, you know, awkward 
than it needs to be. 

479
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,920
But had she stuck Shannon in a 
room that wasn't the nicest, 

480
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,560
then they would be sitting there
just crying the opposite. 

481
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,800
As to who she should get the 
primary, just say I'm going to 

482
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,200
get the primary and they're what
else? 

483
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,280
They're all nice rooms. 
It's a very nice house in 

484
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Temecula. 
They're not in some shock. 

485
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,800
I really, really, really wish 
whenever they went away on 

486
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,240
these, like when they, you know,
these weekend trips, they would 

487
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,880
just show us what the Airbnb 
listing is, the vertical listing

488
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,680
or what website I have to go to 
to see how much all this costs. 

489
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,400
And if I want to bring my 
friends there also, couldn't 

490
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,720
they make a little bit of money 
off that? 

491
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,920
Do like a little cross promotion
and I think that'd be great. 

492
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680
How far is Temecula from us? 
Well, it's an hour and a half 

493
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,600
from Newport Beach, so it's 
quite a quite a different kind 

494
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,120
of ways. 
Temecula's like way Inland 

495
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,680
Empire, sort of. 
I think it's South of Orange 

496
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,880
County but north of San Diego, 
but inland. 

497
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,920
I'm not entirely sure though. 
I've only been there once or 

498
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,840
twice. 
Look at movie theaters. 

499
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Gotcha. 
But anyway, beautiful house. 

500
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,520
Yeah, I would say back to LA, 
but you wanted. 

501
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,840
To still be more. 
I wasn't. 

502
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,120
Well, I was gonna bring up 
Shannon's, you know, Avocado 

503
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,280
Mountain. 
No. 

504
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,120
I did like the question, though,
And I've wondered it too, 

505
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,600
because we live in wine country.
Maybe when we go wine tasting, 

506
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,320
I'll ask how. 
Like, you know, what does? 

507
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,400
How many? 
Like what makes a bottle of wine

508
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520
like how many grapes? 
Driving past a vineyard like. 

509
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,400
How many bushes does that 
represent? 

510
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Like is it just one Bush for a 
bottle or is it like 1 Bush 

511
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080
makes like 10 bottles? 
It's curious. 

512
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,040
I'm kind of a Shannon and Turn 
Deep thoughts. 

513
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,760
I like them. 
So yeah, that was the best part 

514
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840
of that. 
Of the drive, yeah, for. 

515
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,440
Sure, yeah, the LA bunch, 
Heather trying too hard. 

516
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,200
It's just. 
So I said this to you and I'll 

517
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,760
say it again, those 3, not just 
not those three in particular, 

518
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,480
but like, it's just so, so 
trying hard. 

519
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Like we're in Beverly Hills and 
I feel like the Beverly Hills 

520
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,680
woman would be like, well, the 
last so. 

521
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Touristy. 
Right, the last thing they do 

522
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,600
is. 
Like let's go down to redo drive

523
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,080
and let's go to crustacean like 
it's. 

524
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,440
So like what? 
What? 

525
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Yeah, yeah. 
You're like I really AM. 

526
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Looking forward to the. 
Recap from like Teddy and and 

527
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Erica. 
Like OK girl, I won't be caught 

528
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,400
dead in Crustacea, but. 
I meant that food looked great. 

529
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040
I would have eaten one of those 
tuna cigars. 

530
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,840
And I don't even, I don't know 
that I've ever really had good 

531
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,640
caviar. 
I've had like the teeny tiny 

532
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,240
like that's kind of caviar. 
But I'd eat that. 

533
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,920
You would not, No, not at all. 
But then I was like hearing 

534
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,720
about it's. 
Laugh Heather's LA. 

535
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Life and like I'm doing 
ramblings. 

536
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,680
I'm doing that like I'm like I'm
finding me in LA. 

537
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Everyone's reaction. 
About like her, like really? 

538
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,960
She's doing comedy. 
She's like doing improv. 

539
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,480
What, like have you not seen her
on Married? 

540
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,800
Children. 
She does comedy, Yeah. 

541
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
I mean, she. 
Does, but also she's done a lot 

542
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,000
of stuff. 
I mean. 

543
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,360
Improv seems like something you 
do when you're in your 20s. 

544
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,640
Improv is. 
Ageless, OK, says the person. 

545
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400
Who would never go to another 
improv show in his life? 

546
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,080
If that's going into it, not. 
Actually being in it, and 

547
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,160
Heather can at 50, whatever she 
is, can be in it. 

548
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,720
I mean, I'm not saying she 
can't. 

549
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,720
Actually, I think Heather. 
Is funny and I think, you know, 

550
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,600
in her, she's always going for 
the joke in a professional. 

551
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,480
And she I think a lot of her 
like heirs like, oh, Heather 

552
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,400
Debro is kind of put upon. 
Yeah, she's she's very dry. 

553
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,160
On the joke, she's dry. 
Funny. 

554
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,160
I I think she is a she takes her
so seriously, but she's also. 

555
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,200
In on the joke. 
Yeah. 

556
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,360
And I and I like that. 
Yeah. 

557
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,200
So the. 
The fact that they're also like,

558
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,400
Oh, my God, it's like, you know,
she's been a working actress 

559
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,080
for, like, yeah, since the 
1900s, as Taylor Armstrong said,

560
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,800
right? 
Again, I still think it, I don't

561
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,400
know, like I I just couldn't 
imagine at age 50, whatever 

562
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,160
deciding to go to improv, like I
don't have the patience to but 

563
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480
she. 
Like lived, she's lived her life

564
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560
she's like yeah yeah yeah to 
finish her life taking care of 

565
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,560
like 4 kids yeah and you know, 
we forgot about her having. 

566
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Her meeting with Dylan Mulvaney,
that was. 

567
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,680
That was cool. 
That was cool. 

568
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,120
I do like. 
That question. 

569
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,000
What's that? 
I questioned her friendship with

570
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,600
some people. 
Oh dude. 

571
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,520
Oh, we. 
Share certain views, yeah. 

572
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Yeah, about. 
You know. 

573
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,800
Her children who are different. 
So two things I thought. 

574
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Was two things that struck me 
funny is that she's like, you 

575
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,120
know, thanks for being on my 
podcast. 

576
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:58,240
And it's like, well, OK, like 
Dyl Mulvaney has way more 

577
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,560
followers than you ever will. 
Like, I I just feel like who's 

578
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,000
doing who the favor, you know 
what I mean? 

579
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,360
Well, I think it's Dylan. 
She's like, you know, thank. 

580
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,560
You, you're my cat. 
Thank you for being on my 

581
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,600
podcast. 
But then the other thing that 

582
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440
bothers. 
Me is that I don't know like why

583
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,840
are you coming for tether so 
are. 

584
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,280
No, it bothers me that like. 
You're too old for improv. 

585
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,800
No, you have no followers. 
Whatever, I didn't tell I. 

586
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Just said. 
I just told Jen to fuck off, OK?

587
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,000
I didn't say to fuck off, I 
said. 

588
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,880
Fuck you. 
No, I think I don't know if it 

589
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,200
doesn't bother, you know, I 
can't. 

590
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,360
I don't want to be outraged on 
Dylan's behalf. 

591
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,360
It didn't bother Dylan then. 
It doesn't bother me. 

592
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,960
But like, the fact that Heather 
was like, oh, my God, I would 

593
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,240
have, wouldn't have. 
I would have thought that you 

594
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,400
were actually like a CIS woman. 
It's like that's kind of a she 

595
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,080
said that, Yeah. 
Dylan retold. 

596
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520
That story, like she's like when
we first met, she said like she 

597
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
came up me and she's like, Oh my
God, like if I didn't know, like

598
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,080
I would think that you're a CIS 
woman. 

599
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,760
And then Dylan said she didn't 
say CIS necessarily, but that 

600
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
was the sentiment that Heather 
walked up to this. 

601
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,240
I listened on my phone. 
I. 

602
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Totally missed that. 
Yeah, I was. 

603
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,480
I was just. 
Like I was like, well, that's a 

604
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,800
little day Class A, but if it 
again, it doesn't bother. 

605
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,760
Dylan doesn't bother. 
Years back and you know. 

606
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Before their own children and 
people didn't know. 

607
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Necessarily how to, you know, 
express that? 

608
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 
Watched I saw a tik. 

609
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,800
T.O.K of it was a TikTok of 
women kind of being interviewed 

610
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,520
as a collage of different women 
being interviewed, you know, and

611
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
being asked very sexist or 
pointed things that would never 

612
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,800
be asked of a man, right. 
And they they interspersed a lot

613
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
of those questions of Laverne 
Cox being asked and, you know, 

614
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Wendy Williams asking about top 
surgeries and things like that. 

615
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Different for that Katie Kirk, 
right? 

616
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,680
Exactly. 
And so again, just seeing that 

617
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,600
and how far we've come from the 
idea that someone would ask, you

618
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200
know, what's going on with your 
junk basically. 

619
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,040
And you know, it's it's come a 
long way. 

620
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
It's it's it's great to hear. 
But so yeah, you're right. 

621
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360
I shouldn't fault Heather with 
that, but it was interesting 

622
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440
that that came up. 
I thought it was interesting. 

623
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Yeah. 
I think the. 

624
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
It's moving beyond that and the 
whole like slumber party thing 

625
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,720
and it's like doing so much for 
like half cast party. 

626
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Not even half cast, not even 33 
sevenths. 

627
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,840
I mean, basically you're what? 
Is it going to be like you're 

628
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,680
just a friend of Yeah, it's. 
Also not sitting right with me 

629
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,800
that Emily is so like pro 
Gretchen because she hates 

630
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Katie. 
It's so dumb. 

631
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,480
And any of my enemy is my. 
Friend. 

632
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760
And it's so every time, every 
time. 

633
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,560
So then again, it's like my the 
next tedious topic of you're 

634
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,600
afraid of Tamra. 
And I love know Heather said in 

635
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,000
a confessional. 
You're the ones who are afraid 

636
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240
of Tamra because you folded like
a House of Cards. 

637
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
You know, when like after all 
that stuff where you're like, 

638
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,080
what the hell was wrong with 
her? 

639
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,120
And then when you see her to her
see her in person, you're like, 

640
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840
oh, it's OK. 
Oh, come and hug me. 

641
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,320
Oh, welcome to my Easter, 
whatever that was. 

642
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,160
Greek Easter. 
Greek Easter. 

643
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,320
No Persian Persian New year 
Persian New Year Greek Easter is

644
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,760
a. 
Different show which we might be

645
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120
getting in a few weeks next 
week. 

646
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Yes. 
So yeah, like I don't, I've said

647
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,000
it so many times, I don't think 
Heather is afraid of Tamara. 

648
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,240
I can't even do. 
I can't even, you know, I love 

649
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,520
to play the devil's advocate and
I can rationalize a lot of 

650
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,560
things for a lot of people. 
I can't put I can't get on that 

651
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280
hamster wheel and figure out 
what maze you go through with 

652
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,800
that Anyone would think Heather 
is afraid of Tamra. 

653
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Like in what way has she 
displayed fear of Tamra? 

654
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
I mean, if they're talking in 
that sense that like now I can't

655
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,800
even remember. 
There was some media we watched 

656
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,760
recently. 
But anyway, of like, I don't 

657
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,920
even want to I it's too tiring 
to argue with her, so I just 

658
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,160
don't even bother. 
Like I just go ahead and like, 

659
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,600
OK, fine. 
Like if you're gonna go ahead 

660
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400
and say that, that is fear. 
OK, loose. 

661
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,280
Well, it's what Emily was 
saying. 

662
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,200
Like you. 
Just pacify her rather than then

663
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,680
try to. 
That show was that we were 

664
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,760
watching. 
Was it the documentary last? 

665
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Night No, it wasn't anything 
recent it. 

666
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,840
Was either another Housewives or
it was some other movie or show 

667
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,560
where they were just saying 
that, like, having to put up 

668
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000
with someone. 
Like, I'd rather just go ahead 

669
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840
and agree with you than argue 
with you because it just takes 

670
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,480
so much energy to argue with 
you, right? 

671
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,280
It had to be another Housewives.
It'll come to me later. 

672
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960
But yeah, I mean, that's the 
only thing that I could think 

673
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,120
of. 
Like, OK, fine. 

674
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,960
I just don't wanna put up with 
her, so I'm gonna go ahead. 

675
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,680
OK. 
Tamara. 

676
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Sure. 
But I don't see how you conflate

677
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,400
just that with fear or being 
intimidated by like she came out

678
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240
and said it to. 
Tamara's face like that was 

679
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,400
shitty. 
That you like, disappeared and 

680
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,760
didn't, you know, reply back to 
me. 

681
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,720
I was worried about you, right? 
And, you know, whatever, 

682
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,880
whatever. 
I wonder if they're all 

683
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,480
expecting. 
Heather to do the heavy lifting 

684
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,400
when it comes to Tamara and 
like, be the one who stands up 

685
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,520
to her, not in their 
confessionals. 

686
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Well, God knows Gina. 
And Emily, and they're not going

687
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,280
to do it. 
Yeah, right. 

688
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,400
So it comes down, I mean, and 
Jen and Shannon obviously were 

689
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,000
doing it. 
And Gretchen will gladly, Yeah, 

690
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,280
like step over anyone's body, 
Katie, to do it. 

691
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,000
So I mean, I guess you. 
Know so who Gina kind of did it 

692
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,720
in New Orleans when she 
confronted like you're sloppy. 

693
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Or drunk. 
Go home. 

694
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Yeah, but you know. 
I think that they're they're 

695
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,920
counting on Heather to be. 
That has to be it. 

696
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,040
That's my conclusion now because
it's like she's the next. 

697
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,440
Strongest personality, right? 
So the next if you can. 

698
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Say it are not untouchable like 
they they got Heather back on 

699
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,560
the show to help save it right? 
Was fired, yes. 

700
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,200
So they're like, OK. 
Well, clearly Heather has some 

701
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400
pull here and she can do 
whatever, but are they 

702
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240
forgetting that the first? 
Season Tamara was back, she and 

703
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Heather were at odds and yes, 
they made-up after the reunion, 

704
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440
which is what you're supposed to
do and now they're they've been 

705
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,960
in a good place ever since. 
But she's not afraid to call her

706
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160
out on her bullshit. 
So this whole idea of like, oh, 

707
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,880
she's so afraid or like I don't 
I don't get where Gina and Emily

708
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,400
are coming from with that. 
And it's just or even Gretchen. 

709
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,040
It's like, yeah, just shut up. 
Then you just say things to 

710
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,080
Tamara. 
If you have any feelings about 

711
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,160
camera Emily, Gina, whatever, 
then you need to say it like, 

712
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,679
and I guess they they have, but 
like you need to say it more and

713
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,440
get it off your chest and then 
move the F on. 

714
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Yeah, because clearly if. 
It's not enough for you to keep 

715
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,000
bringing it up to Tamara. 
That must not actually bother 

716
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,679
you. 
Or, you know, maybe it bothers 

717
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,440
you, but it's like clearly not a
big deal to you because if it 

718
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,679
was, you'd keep you would say it
to her fate. 

719
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,800
You would bring it up and you 
wouldn't let it go the way 

720
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,280
clearly whatever is bothering 
Shannon about Tamara is 

721
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,360
bothering Shannon because she's 
not letting it go even though 

722
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,480
she should, you know, for the 
sake of the show. 

723
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,199
But or just yeah. 
Yeah, that's why. 

724
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,199
Like, yeah, so much. 
I was like. 

725
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,880
This is all episode so other so 
at. 

726
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
The dinner at the dinner in. 
LA like. 

727
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,360
Was it all just more Tamra talk?
Did they get? 

728
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,040
Yeah. 
Did they? 

729
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,760
I guess there was some talk 
about Emily's situation or that.

730
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,040
No, that didn't. 
That was when they were at the. 

731
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Store. 
Not earlier. 

732
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,120
That was when they were. 
She and Jen were cleaning. 

733
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Yeah. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

734
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Oh, volunteering. 
That's right. 

735
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,080
I forgot about. 
That that was nice. 

736
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,480
That was. 
Nice kitties. 

737
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,280
Yeah, that was cute. 
But now everything else, it just

738
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,840
kept coming back to Tamara. 
Yeah. 

739
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,560
And it's gonna do so again next 
year or next year, next week. 

740
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,880
I'm tired and I just like we 
are. 

741
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,440
Very tired. 
It's been a lot. 

742
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Yeah, it's been a lot. 
Nothing's happened in the world 

743
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,440
this week, No. 
But now it's gonna come up next 

744
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,680
week when we pivot to the next 
lie. 

745
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,560
And yeah. 
I don't need to see. 

746
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Frickin Slade on my TV. 
Two things I'm it was a. 

747
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,760
To be continued episode but with
scenes from next week, which I'm

748
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,400
like, I love that. 
But yeah, I just the cliche 

749
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,400
isn't even the right word. 
Having it go to this whole like,

750
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,960
oh, then back then when you did 
it, a Tamara was, you know, 

751
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
cheating on did it. 
I don't I don't need that again.

752
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,640
I don't care and it happened 
off. 

753
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,840
Camera. 
I don't need off camera. 

754
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,640
I don't need in the past, like I
need stuff that happened now. 

755
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,040
I mean, I guess infidelity and 
everything that comes up on many

756
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,280
different franchises and stuff 
and something that happened in 

757
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,840
the past, but it's like I don't 
everyone when people try to come

758
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,280
for someone else's marriage, 
it's just so weak and it's like 

759
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,240
there's nothing to do with you. 
Right. 

760
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,200
And that that's. 
I think the common theme that 

761
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,560
keeps bothering us with a lot of
these is like, OK, that 

762
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,240
happened, but what does it have 
to do with you? 

763
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,320
Even that, what does it have to 
do with your friendship with 

764
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,800
her? 
Right? 

765
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
I thought the point. 
When they were at dinner and 

766
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Tamara brought up, you know, 
they are in Cabo, Eddie, Tamara,

767
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Jen and Ryan and they didn't 
realize that. 

768
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Oh, like Ryan is pursuing Jen 
and she's still married and we 

769
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,040
just were hanging out with her 
and her husband and rightfully 

770
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,080
so. 
Eddie was like, well, this feels

771
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,920
weird to me. 
This feels gross, you know? 

772
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,480
And then for Shannon, it's like 
Eric professional be like, well,

773
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,600
why are you talking? 
Tamara? 

774
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,200
You cheated on Simon with Eddie.
And it's like, I don't believe 

775
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040
that's exactly how it happened. 
I'm not sure why. 

776
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,320
And two, even if so, it's not 
that she can't not have a 

777
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,120
feeling about it, you know, and 
that I know I just said that 

778
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480
like it doesn't affect you, but 
it does affect you when you're 

779
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,840
friends with both parties, 
right? 

780
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,920
And that's the thing. 
That's the. 

781
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,840
Thing Eddie. 
Eddie. 

782
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,760
I think what Tamara was trying 
to say is that Eddie says it 

783
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,160
feels gross because here we are 
hanging out with the side piece 

784
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,000
and then we're going to go back 
to Orange County and hang out 

785
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,480
with her husband, and that's as 
if we weren't hanging. 

786
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,840
Out with the side piece and so 
that's where it can. 

787
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Be a problem now you've 
involved. 

788
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Me right? 
And so, yeah, it's, I mean, 

789
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,480
that's different from like, oh, 
I. 

790
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,880
Heard that she screwed so and so
doesn't involve you, right? 

791
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,640
You're just making it a story 
because of nothing else. 

792
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,560
And it's also I. 
Mean it's also you're being 

793
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,320
righteous and judgmental about 
someone else's situation like so

794
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,760
if that happened, great. 
What's that to do with you? 

795
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,240
Oh well, you're making it about 
you because you want to feel 

796
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,720
superior. 
And you know why this is 

797
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,920
happening. 
Because Tamra accused Gretchen 

798
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,800
of cheating on her fiance Jeff, 
the one who died. 

799
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,680
So this is where this is coming 
from. 

800
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,800
And again, that was how many 
decades ago? 

801
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,760
More than one. 
Yeah, so. 

802
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,000
You're really like, they are 
just so angry and hateful 

803
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,040
towards towards Tamra and 
there's using it on the current 

804
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,680
show even though it happened so 
many years ago. 

805
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,480
It's just so dumb. 
Yeah. 

806
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,600
I mean, I think hopefully, I'm 
sure it's going to be some good 

807
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,800
drama and it's going to be like 
interesting to watch, but I hope

808
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,080
it's short lived. 
I hope that it gets, you know, 

809
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,160
Tamara, not that the Tamara will
diffuse it, but at least it'll 

810
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,880
go the way we're like like we're
saying like, OK, it's this is 

811
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,360
irrelevant, Like this is not 
doesn't change anyone's life 

812
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,240
that this happened. 
And also, who's to say that it 

813
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,920
if that's true, what they're 
saying happened? 

814
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,360
Who's to say she hasn't already 
talked to Eddie about it and 

815
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Eddie already knows the true 
like I mean Lee stay what about 

816
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,400
other people's marriages? 
I mean it's. 

817
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Yeah, I don't think it happened,
but again, it's none of your 

818
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,600
business. 
But also to you. 

819
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,840
You keep poking this bear man 
and then getting mad the bear. 

820
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,760
Gets angry at you, your face 
off. 

821
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,440
Exactly. 
It's like oh how dare you RIP 

822
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,120
my. 
Face off. 

823
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,720
So yeah, you're definitely right
with that. 

824
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,240
I'm trying to think of it in 
parallel, though, like to New 

825
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:25,880
Jersey with Jen Aden and that 
whole story where Marge oh. 

826
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520
But was she a major relevant? 
Yeah, I'm kind of. 

827
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,840
But I I think that the 
difference there, though, is 

828
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,800
that that was just straight up 
retribution. 

829
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,760
Like, that was just like, like, 
you're over here acting holier 

830
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,720
than thou. 
Tamara's not acting holier than 

831
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,120
thou. 
Tamara's never saying that. 

832
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,880
And Tamara's not sitting there 
saying, like, you and your 

833
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,600
husband or your life partner 
says the subtitles are out there

834
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,280
being XY or Z. 
She's not even making. 

835
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,080
She's just saying that your 
husband's a dirtbag. 

836
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Yeah. 
Tamara got baptized. 

837
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,760
She's on TV and she still acts 
like an asshole. 

838
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,360
OK. 
So yeah. 

839
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,840
She's not. 
Maybe. 

840
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,120
What acts of bothers Gretchen 
is. 

841
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,200
That, you know, it's all 
performative religion. 

842
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Pot me cattle. 
So all right. 

843
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,360
I know. 
Should we pray about it? 

844
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,240
Can we? 
Can we? 

845
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,960
No. 
I don't know how to pray, No. 

846
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,640
I mean, I'll have to pray as a 
Mormon. 

847
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:20,360
Yeah, I guess I can do my hands.
I can, yeah. 

848
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Anyway, yeah, that's just The 
thing is that the difference is,

849
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,560
you know, yeah, Tamara's not 
there trying to judge their 

850
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,520
relationship. 
She's judging the character of 

851
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,560
her husband. 
That's what she's judging. 

852
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
And so for Gretchen to try and 
make it her business, it's not 

853
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,640
the same. 
Yeah, it's. 

854
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Does it not? 
No. 

855
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Doesn't work. 
Nope. 

856
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:40,640
Nope, doesn't work. 
Doesn't work. 

857
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Doesn't work. 
Also not her husband because. 

858
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,840
You won't marry him because you 
don't want to incur that child, 

859
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:52,240
that child support that I. 
I want to know allegedly, I know

860
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,840
I want to know the back to the 
cyber truck. 

861
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,120
What does Ryan do? 
How did they make their money? 

862
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,000
That's I don't understand what 
does that. 

863
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Mean though. 
I so I don't know, like I know 

864
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200
you, I know you can go ahead and
lease things and they make them 

865
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,280
a little bit cheaper. 
But like the things that people,

866
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,960
because we've been looking to 
buy a a new car and it's like 

867
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,240
I've been like, well, this is 
fine if we wanted to spend a 

868
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,200
ridiculous amount of money every
month on a car, and maybe some 

869
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,360
people do, but I'm just like 
what, like a cyber trucks 

870
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,560
expensive and they're and ugly, 
very ugly. 

871
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,800
Very, very ugly. 
And then I just. 

872
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,760
Really felt like that, you know,
it was child abuse or man, that 

873
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,280
kid washed that ugly car. 
I'm just like, oh, that's not 

874
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,000
that's not right. 
It's a horrible shore. 

875
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,200
You should. 
Not let, let. 

876
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Any any child near a cyber 
truck. 

877
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,800
I mean, that's just. 
Normalizing sun might beam down.

878
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
On it and blind, Yeah. 
And it's just, it's not good. 

879
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,240
Yeah. 
So yeah. 

880
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,560
I'd rather. 
I'd rather have them get read to

881
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,440
by a drag queen than wash a 
cyber truck. 

882
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,560
Oh my God. 
They would never. 

883
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640
I don't know. 
I feel like Jen would probably 

884
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,360
be like drag Queens fine. 
Hell no. 

885
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,040
She. 
Wouldn't. 

886
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,320
I think she would? 
I think she'd. 

887
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Be one of those. 
Talk out of one side of her 

888
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,200
mouth and then out the other, 
for one thing. 

889
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,680
So anyway, I think we've talked 
enough. 

890
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,240
Yeah, until we. 
Cover, everybody. 

891
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Well, I mean, Oh. 
Katie. 

892
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,000
I remember Katie. 
Never forget. 

893
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,480
Yeah. 
Never gonna forget Katie. 

894
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Never gonna forget Katie. 
Well, she's getting back later 

895
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,720
on the season. 
Like she'll have other scene. 

896
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,840
Other scene. 
So. 

897
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,920
I. 
Think overall, like, I think 

898
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,920
this is a good episode. 
I mean, we've a lot to talk 

899
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,720
about. 
I I definitely think that the 

900
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Temecula group was the best part
of it. 

901
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,800
Yeah, it was cute what they were
doing in LA and stuff. 

902
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,360
But again, I don't, I don't, I 
don't like Gretchen. 

903
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,200
I don't want, I think you know, 
production. 

904
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,840
You know, they're like, we need 
to make something happen. 

905
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,480
We can't do the Katy thing. 
Let's separate them. 

906
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,960
See if they talk about one 
another, something comes up and 

907
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,680
then you know, they just talked 
about. 

908
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,760
Tamara yeah, the entire time. 
But I think you'll you know with

909
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,640
the. 
LA Group Bill, as we've said it 

910
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:07,160
will pivot towards Tamara again.
So you guys like Tamara's the 

911
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,000
umbrella and you're all 
underneath it. 

912
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,640
So yeah, I mean, how? 
It's raining, but how do? 

913
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,480
They how? 
Do they get out from underneath 

914
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,040
that though by just not talking 
about like by getting over it 

915
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,200
and just excusing her behavior 
things and. 

916
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Having other stories, getting 
pissed off at someone. 

917
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,640
Else other than Katie. 
Yeah, that was really. 

918
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,680
The only reason? 
That it wasn't about Tamara so 

919
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640
far entirely wanted over that. 
Yeah. 

920
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,160
So I guess maybe. 
Gina and Emily need to like stab

921
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:34,920
each other. 
I don't know. 

922
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,840
So. 
It's like really easy to focus 

923
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,520
on, like, what's the one thing 
you don't like about her? 

924
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,480
Go yeah, if there was like a 
rift. 

925
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Between the two of them, that 
might make that would change 

926
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,800
things. 
Or it might still be like. 

927
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Right. 
It's just as lukewarm as they 

928
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,880
are and they're like the Robin 
and Giselle. 

929
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Yeah, but much? 
More likeable the two of them. 

930
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,880
It's. 
About human No, because I. 

931
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,520
I I get irritated when Giselle 
and Robin would be on screen 

932
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,440
together. 
These two, well, I see more. 

933
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Like yeah, more. 
Partners in crime, right? 

934
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,480
Yeah, and I do like I like 
Gisele Moore once Rob left. 

935
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Yeah. 
Yeah, so. 

936
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,560
Oh. 
We got see Emily's new look. 

937
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Oh, the confessional is so. 
Good. 

938
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,360
Yeah, like she her makeup's 
still a little. 

939
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,200
Wrong. 
It's very dark. 

940
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200
It's. 
Very, I don't know if that's 

941
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,760
tanning or just like dark 
makeup, but I like the dark 

942
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,920
hair. 
I like the the length of the 

943
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,840
outfit. 
It just works really well. 

944
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,360
And that should be her main 
confessional look. 

945
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,800
Yes, yes, yes. 
And then we got to. 

946
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,320
Sort of see more of Shannon's 
brown dress. 

947
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,040
Great for the neck up. 
Amazing. 

948
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
The dress is like a little, 
like, I feel like I've seen that

949
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,280
before, Yeah. 
And it's just a little. 

950
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Too. 
Too shiny? 

951
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,720
Yeah. 
And then I. 

952
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,240
Thought I swear to God it one 
part towards the beginning when 

953
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,240
she was with her daughter. 
They cut to her in that that 

954
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,320
outfit and like her hair is 
swept over the side of her face 

955
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,600
in such a way that like it moved
at one point and I thought I saw

956
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,160
just like really sharp line of 
makeup like you might have 

957
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,600
behind where. 
Her hair was. 

958
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,840
You might have. 
So I was just like, well, that 

959
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,920
doesn't seem right, but I was 
the whole rest of the episode. 

960
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,480
I was like, move your head 
again, Move your head again and 

961
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,120
never have it. 
Yeah. 

962
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,240
So anyway, the illusion was 
ruined. 

963
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,120
We should keep like a tally. 
Of like we should we should make

964
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,760
it a point to remember the 
confessional looks Oh yeah, I. 

965
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,360
Mean, yes, I mean you do a. 
Good job with it, but like, 

966
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,920
sometimes we forget. 
I mean, I guess it's just the 

967
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,960
trauma from Gretchens, you know,
Beau thing. 

968
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,200
What the fuck is that? 
Yeah. 

969
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,440
What the fuck is that? 
What the fuck is that? 

970
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,200
Man that was an awful outfit. 
Great TikTok. 

971
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,560
Very our. 
Best yet, it was follow. 

972
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Us on a tik. 
T.O.K and go to our website. 

973
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,200
We have a website 
husbandwatchinghousewives.com. 

974
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Yes, you can find all our. 
Stuff you can find our our stuff

975
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,080
so many places. 
You know, I realize we should do

976
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,560
an about. 
Page we should we should get 

977
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,720
headshots and start doing the. 
Groundlings, yes. 

978
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,320
Yes and yes till. 
Next time, till next. 

979
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:03,680
Time.