Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott and I'm Jeff, and we just watched an episode of The
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Sure did. Episode #2 of season 6.
Seven Six Season 6/6. Yeah, so much.
I realized we need to start putting the episode numbers in
our descriptions and stuff because some people really want
to just find out, oh, what episode are they talking about?
Right. It's helpful because, you know,
yeah, you can't always tell from our titles which what it, you
know. Yeah.
And cannot sometimes are kind of a name.
For those of you who are happy to see us talking about Salt
Lake, meaning see us on the YouTube, you got to go back and
listen to our audio episode that we did with the Bestie approved
podcast. They they had us on their
podcast. I guess we were on each other's.
Podcast each other's Yes yes collab.
It was a collab. I like to call it a collab.
I don't know why, but it was a good episode.
It's, it's interesting doing stuff with other people just in
general like. Just getting another opinion,
right. And they're really, they're very
funny and like easy to talk to. And it's like, you know, they we
might disagree on things, but it's like, oh, it's I hear your
point of view and that that's actually a good point that I
wouldn't have thought of. So yeah, that's nice.
I felt a little off the entire episode, only in that, like, I
just felt like a fish out of water slightly because like, I'm
just so used to coming up here and like, you know, we're
married, so we already have a kind of routine amongst
ourselves. But I didn't realize, you know,
we've done over 200 episodes of this.
Has been 200. Now it's been yeah, over 200.
Really. I think we're like at 210
something more than that. I missed 200.
Yeah. So I just have a routine and
kind of like a, a, a pace that I get into.
And so when there's someone else involved, I was like, so.
It does stir you off, Yeah. And it's like I felt and I'll
see what it's four people. So you're like worried about
like, oh, because I and accidentally interrupted because
it's going to happen because you're having, you're talking at
the same time. You don't mean to, right.
I mean, to cut somebody off. And I'm like, oh, crap.
You know what did you say? I, I Yeah.
Well, on the other problem, and we'll figure this out before we
do the next one, which we're planning on doing for the
Potomac premiere. So if you're the next one fan,
we're going to be doing that. What?
Fricking is that next week? Potomac?
October 5th, yeah. No.
Is that next week? October is next Wednesday.
Oh, geez. I know.
So that Monday we're going to record right after the Monday
after Potomac, Yeah. What I realized is because we
only had it showing whoever was talking, you couldn't see the
other people to see if they were like about ready to start next.
Time yes we should do the split screen even though like.
Yeah, even though we were cut off a little bit.
Yeah, on our. Perspective, I still wanted to
see them yeah, we would know that someone's about to say yeah
make a good point so. But yeah, the if you loved the
first episode of Salt Lake, this second one was pretty damn.
I mean, it was so. Good.
It was good, Yeah. Yeah, it was good.
Yes. I don't even know where to
begin. Well, we start with them at the
RV. Still, I wish they actually
slept in. They did well, or at least
showed them waking up there. I wish they'd made more of a
housewives deal over the sleeping accommodations.
The fact that it looked like Meredith.
And who was that next? Ron Ronwyn just slept in a
recliner. I was just like, I don't what
like, like I want to see Luanne doing that like.
I feel like Tennessee and stuff I need to do something about.
I mean, they have that, that crappy motel, right?
Crappy. That's but, but if Luanne always
complained about being on the lower level, like imagine her
like, I'm not sleeping in a recliner, darling.
I'd rather have my own recliner than like.
Share a bed. Yeah, well, obviously if it's
you, it's yeah, but like it, yeah 'cause there's like yeah,
Mary and Angie and then Whitney and Heather, of course, and then
Bronwyn and. Meredith just slept in the
recliners. Yeah.
And then where was Brittany? Was she just like on the ground?
She who knows she's in the in the driver, in the passenger
seat she can find. They're like blur witch can get
ya. I liked in the morning, that was
it, Heather who was like, let's go brush our teeth bound by the
river. And she's like, why will we do
that? Like, so we can talk shit about
everyone. Like that was to me, you'd be
like, let's get out of this tight, probably smelly.
Yeah, like RV right now and let's go out and let's talk some
shit. So I was disappointed that we
didn't get more of it. Right as they're like down by
the river. I My funniest, The funniest
thing was saying, of course they're not gonna let something
happen to us. It would be a liability for the
network. Yeah.
I do like as much as she irritates me sometimes.
Meredith is pretty funny sometimes as well.
So what all else happened before Heather went and narked on
everybody with Lisa? Good Lord, man.
Like she couldn't wait to run and run her mouth.
Yeah. And give her version of things.
Yeah, which weren't totally accurate.
Not, I mean, I wouldn't say they're not at all accurate.
It was just very, very, very colored.
In her favor before we get to that, it's her basically feeling
like Bronwyn's calling her a shitty mom and that around the
campfire. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Was until Heather got all in her feelings and her hateful Ronwyn
feelings. And I think it was a good
discussion about motherhood. And like, you know, Heather
doesn't talk a lot about her husband and you know, when he
left and like what happened and to hear her say he never had
like an overnight with them and he never had any sort of
custody. It was strictly her.
And he just, I guess, provided, even though they were divorced,
provided for the the daughters. That was really interesting to
me, like about that relationship because she just doesn't get
into it. I think she wants to protect
that and protect her, her daughters and not speak I'll
about him. I don't know if you know this
about me, but I do love to play the devil's advocate sometimes.
And I keep telling you, you're messing with that devil.
It's not going to be good. I, you know, I'm go ahead.
I'm going to say, look, I I'm not, I'm sure that Heather's
version of the custody and every.
Oh, that's that we're talking about.
Yeah, that I'm saying is like it's quite common for the mother
to get full custody, yes. And so like depending upon how
you know, acrimonious, that means bad, right, acrimonious
how their divorce was, it could have just been default that like
she got sole custody and then like, you know, it's possible
that she prevented him from having an overnight.
I'm just saying, like it's a common arrangement.
Now, I would also say devil's advocate the opposite way
Angel's advocate that he should have, you know, as a father,
tried harder to make those things happen, you know, And so
if he didn't do that, maybe he did not have the interest in
what Heather's saying. I wouldn't think that she would
have blocked him. Like this is me sticking up for
Heather. I don't think she would have
blocked him from being with the girls.
I think she would have like also wanted a break as she said, like
she basically was mothering these girls a lot of on non-stop
on her own. And it would be great to have
you taken them for a fun weekend while she just like, you know,
decompressed cause three daughters.
It's it's a lot, you know, and you're working.
Well, I guess she was I, I'd like to know the timeline when
she started beauty lab and all that.
You know she's talking about failures in the last episode,
but I can't. Imagine it happened overnight.
No sure was you know going on a while.
My guess is, you know also that he probably, you know, if
misogyny runs the way I think it probably does in that
relationship, I'm sure he was like, oh, you're done with me,
I'm done with you. I'm on to another woman and we
have, I have a new family now. You know, that sort of
mentality. Yeah, I don't know.
If he got remarried, I'd, I'd have to Google that.
I'd have to care more. But no, I think it was what
you're saying. You know, we're in the church,
the woman, right, stays behind and, you know, takes care of the
kids and he's the provider. So I think it just made sense
aside from like the normal, like my mother's getting sold
custody. Typically it was, you know, of
course, you didn't take the kids.
Why would I, right, right. But you would think joint
custody. But that's not how it worked in
any event, right? So that was really.
Derailed No, it was fine. That was her experience.
And then Bronwyn was sharing her experience and Heather just
thought that Bronwyn was shitting on her and it's she
wasn't. She was like, I understand where
you're coming from and like our similar upbringings in the
Mormon church and like what these traditional roles that are
like put on us. But for me, my experience is
that I, you know, don't want to let go of my daughter yet.
And then she goes into better detail in her confessional.
And also, I felt when they met for lunch, she tried to explain
it, but Heather just wanted, Heather just wanted to have an
issue, right, You know, And it just couldn't be that.
I feel everyone else shared well.
And I think Heather shared well too.
But like, she just had to like, be bothered by Bronwyn.
Like, I wonder if Angie had said it or if Mary had, you know, or
Woody had said it. Like, you know, I'm not done,
but I don't know. I mean, it's one of those
situations where I feel like sometimes, you know, someone's
talking, someone's really in their feelings about themselves.
And that, you know, if you try to like bring up your experience
as a way to like, you know, commiserate and to sympathize
with them, they automatically Oh, well, now you're trying to
make it about you. And so that I think that's.
Just wasn't even that. It was like you're trying to
just make me look bad. Oh, I didn't really.
I don't think Bronwyn. Bronwyn's just been trying this
entire trip to be good with you, right?
And you are irritated her. Why?
Because she's talking about your best Elisa Barlow.
And two, now you're thinking she's calling you a bad mother.
I don't see how what she said was could be construed as
calling her a bad. Mother, exactly.
That's what I am saying. Even before watching tonight
like I saw the a clip of her like at explaining it I was like
I don't know how from the cash backs they showed and everything
like what she said could be calling Heather a bad mother.
No, and then she like, you know, when they met, she went into
more detail. Like I feel like I haven't maybe
not done the best job of mothering.
And that's why I'm still like hesitant to let Gwen go.
And then I wish she had said this in with the group Bronwyn
when she said, like, you know, my identity is wrapped up in
being Gwen's mom. And if she's not there, then
it's like, what do I do with my life now?
And, you know, and the thought of it all and I think, you know,
she, it wastes a lot of things that a lot of women feel, you
know, And so I don't know, Bron, Heather was just looking for a
fight. And Heather, that irritated the
crap out of the lab. Absolutely.
And then I mean, it's evident by how when she goes to meet Lisa,
she's just like, oh, let me tell you what happened.
And it yeah, I guess that happened, but like, she
completely missed. Me.
Excuse me. Let me.
Let me do this thing, thing, thing, thing.
What about Brittany? Yeah.
Like where you're saying where was, you know, Brittany had your
back. She was staunchly defending you.
She got in a fight with Whitney to defend you.
No. Heather was like, oh, no, it's
just me. Meredith was silent.
It was just me. Yeah, girl.
Bye. It wasn't just you.
Like like. And even for, even for comedic
value, you could be like, Oh yeah.
I was surprised, Britney chimed in.
Because I didn't know you two were so chummy, you know, even
that. But.
Instead, it's all like, no Lisa, it was just me.
I laid down my life for you. Like I was like, no Brahma,
please stop talking about Lisa. And she just slapped me and kept
going. And then she called me a bad
mom. Like I can't with Heather.
And that's I can't. I can't.
I can't do better, Heather.
Do better. Yeah.
You're an unreliable narrator. And I hate that in a novel, and
I hate that in a housewife. Stop it.
So yeah, she meets with Lisa
and. And the smallest restaurant
possible. Good Lord, that was like
someones like backroom. Yeah, like I.
It's also one of those restaurants, I feel what it's
called. It's saturated, painted, where
like every surface is the same color.
It was like all that, like dark blackish blue.
It felt like like a lot like black trapes and like the weird
like. It was just too much.
And then, yeah, and that waiter's eyes.
Was that the right waiter? Yeah, they're a little buggy.
They're a little buggy. Sorry, fellow.
Yeah, you know, Yeah. That was your moment maybe.
The lighting was just bright. I was more into the ladies
behind them, like the one lady who was like just looking them
up and down like. Well and since you pointed that
out, there was another guy behind one of them who didn't
seem to be eating or doing anything.
Like he just sat there with his hand on the plate and like does
he moving at all? Which reminds me of moving.
You pointed out all the Reddit kerfuffle about Lisa's eye
being. My God, interconfessional it's
one has one is more lashed than the other and one is smoker than
the other. Like her glam was like, no, we
got to go glams like I'm not done like whatever, we got to go
and there she went. What?
And no one told her. What I couldn't get over was how
much she blinked in that scene. With, with, with.
Blinks non-stop. It was insane and and part of
me, I started watching it thinking like how often like is
her blinking increase with how much she's lying?
Like something like is there like a ratio of truth to blink?
Because dear God, she was like blooming.
And I was like, I started thinking for a moment if I was
wearing a heavy eye makeup with false lashes, maybe I blink.
That much maybe it's did you get?
Something in there like. You're trying to make like, hold
your eye open, so you have to like keep blinking because
otherwise the way out the lash, we'll just shut it and you'll be
like, what do you mean, Heather? He was saying something about
me. I don't love that.
It was making me uncomfortable, like that sort of thing when
someone points out that like, you know, you're doing something
too much and you're like, am I Or like for that moment in time,
you're like, I don't know if I remember how to swallow right
now. Like, oh God, I'm dying.
You know, I was like, oh God, am I doing how to blink?
Am I over exaggerating it? But yeah, that was creeping me
to. Fuck, it was so much.
That confessional was weird with the braids.
And then yeah, of course, like where she was like, well, I'll
talk about them and did it like sorry, let's rewind it because
I'm yeah, and I think like too much.
I was watching one of the episodes back and the amounts of
time I was watching one of the clips.
We always say like it's. But it's too much to annoys me.
I'm annoyed by myself. That's good as long as you're
aware of it. Just do better.
But I did, I did. I didn't like that one episode.
I was said I'm going to hold myself accountable.
I. Well, it's all right, It's a
minor set back. OK.
Much, much. New season Mary show it's.
Like Mary Cosby's son, it's a mild set back.
We're going to get to that you. Just got to do better.
OK, so we're rolling it back. So Heather has told her version
of the events and Lisa is, of course, denying everything.
No, I'm not getting sued. They're all being dismissed.
You know, I like that Heather pointed out how Lisa said, oh,
my life is so different from you guys and the elitist attitude.
That's great that Heather can point that out, point out more
things happen. OK, this this bestie ain't ain't
so bestie, but just. I still don't understand
Heather's desire to be friends with.
I don't like speaking this absolutely, but I don't
understand her desire to be friends with the worst person in
the room like. I mean, right?
Right, just has this thing of of I need to be friends with
whoever the most volatile person is.
Maybe worst person in the room. Volatile is a good way of saying
yeah. Yeah, I just don't understand
the desire. And I feel like whoever I feel
as though who I'm trying to remove, like from the
vocabulary, feel as though whomever was going to be the
most, you know, controversial Heather would glom herself onto.
And I just, I'm curious where that comes from.
Maybe you know the person who's getting the most attention and
and you are more attracted to A to the light.
Yeah. And also then you don't have to
try as hard. If you're part of a big family,
you know you're probably always seeking attention, and so you go
with whoever gets the most right.
So, but in this case, I, I don't understand, but still laying
down and it's really I'm, I'm devoted to you, Lisa.
And I was the only one who had your back.
And yeah, that whole, that whole launch was just very odd.
And Lisa did nothing to make me think these lawsuits are
frivolous. There's a lot of smoke there.
I mean if you have. A lot of smoke.
If you haven't listened to it, definitely anyone listening to
this should go check out the Bravo docket on those things.
I'm wondering if I need to do an update on them.
I think they should. I mean, I listened to it.
It was very informative. And I think that there it's,
it's nothing is black and white. I'm, you know, some of what
Lisa's saying is true. They got thrown out.
But I think some of what was it Angie or Bronwyn was saying that
someone was saying like the foundation of which she's saying
they should be thrown out is well, we never had a repayment
agreement. So therefore I, how could I be
late on it? So it's using these
technicalities that that that's, you know, saying, you know, how
did I default on a contract if we never had a contract?
And so it's really grasping at straws, which, you know, is what
legality is about. But I think if you're starting
to play that game, you know, you've done something wrong.
But at the same time, if you had an understanding that was
different for someone else, you never wrote it down, then yeah,
you have to do these sorts of things.
So not defending her, but you know.
And also, you know, people Lisa saying, you know, Bronwyn's a
lawyer and you know, why is she looking into all this when?
Did Bronwyn being a lawyer come into or?
Going to college. Right.
Doesn't matter. She's an intelligent person.
She reads things. I mean, she reads Lisa.
That's what she does. One thing saying like I read the
newspaper. I was like, well, that's, you
know, reading. There's more.
What was that like a three column article at best?
In fact, she could point out things.
Someone she Todd got her those documents.
Probably she got her highlighter out and.
She probably listened to that episode of the Bravo.
Doc that too, but the fact that she could like quote so many
things of you know, John Barlow didn't know about the loan and
the guy brought in her text messages as as receipts right to
the to the the court case. Getting, getting down to it
without getting down to it. Lisa's I I just feel like when
someone starts name calling, yeah, they're wrong.
They have nothing else that they can do.
They just start name calling. Which I was thinking back to how
because you were talking earlier, we were watching how
low Lisa goes and I was thinking, you know, the only
time she was like that was with Monica.
Yes, the two of them are really good at that, but that's also
neither of them had anything else to say.
So they would just start calling each other names like they.
Monica was better at it and a bunch of wrong 1 is good but it
doesn't go to the gutter, you know she just, she's just very
quick with her words. My problem with Bronwyn was at
the end of the episode, it took her a little while to slip into
a you can call me whatever you want mode because she was really
going tit for tat towards the end of the arguing back and
forth. But then after like a few times
of Lisa going on about gout, Bronwyn was like whatever.
Like it's not going to bother me.
Like like what really switched for me was when she's like, I
love my husband and Oh no, I have to have sex with him.
Like you're making that sound like a.
Bad thing? Yeah, let's well, and there's,
there's more like there's so many layers to that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can back out, yes, because I
think before we get at all. Well, there's a whole Whitney
and Bronwyn which we just basically discussed at Bronwyn
quoting things that and Whitney's just being so
surprised. Justin didn't know, John didn't
know. Oh, that's woo.
I also. So yeah, there was that.
But then the Whitney Justin scene of talking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was just, that was very
sad. That was sad, especially, you
know, we've met them like. I know, very sad.
They seem like nice people. But I mean, it seemed very
realistic, you know, and that's, you know, I think what's
interesting is especially us, us being in our 40s and doing
things that, you know, you know, doing this podcast, for
instance, not that this is, you know, anything groundbreaking,
but, you know, we're spending money on something that we want.
And that like, it would be really nice if it turned into
something, you know, and granted, they spent a lot more
and took a larger risk. It's something that I feel like
a lot of people in this age group do, especially it's now
this age, they, they, they take a risk on themselves and
sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
And so I think it's a realistic to show that.
And I think Justin had a good realistic view of, like, you
know, we went all in and it just wasn't the right time for us.
I mean, this is a lesson for us to not do.
So I think with with us, there's definitely things, you know, we
talked about not loving our jobs at all times and like what if we
worked for ourselves? And it would be great to to try
to go on that venture, but it's also scary.
And to put all of our money towards that is also just, you
know, then to lose that, then it's just unimaginable, you
know, and you just for them, I just hope they're OK and that,
you know, I don't think there are any danger of losing their
house or not. But it's very scary to hear we
just put all of our savings into this now it's all gone.
Because I mean, no matter what you say, like I, I hope that
they're, you know, I'm sure that they protected themselves, all
the legalities and LLCS and all that stuff.
But at the end of the day, they still invested their own money
into this and probably other people's money that they've let
down and disappointed that they owe a debt of something to.
People who work for the Mood now are unemployed.
But you know, so they filed no bankruptcy.
They get out of that cool, but they're still out.
All the money they may have had prior to that that they could
have really done something with that they would rather not have
just lost. And also reputation and people
not wanting to take a risk on them again, right?
And it's just, it's a lot of layers.
And so, yeah. But again, so great that she is
being forthright and not trying to cover up and then have
another housewife expose her. Maybe that was all sort of
thinking, which is so twisted, you know, you have to think 2
steps ahead. Like I don't want another
housewife to get pissed at me and go do some digging and pull
this out and throw it in my face on camera.
I'm just going to just out myself basically, you know, But
also that's what's really happening in her life and that's
what you should be talking about.
What's really happening in your life.
Lisa, you just. Reminded me of that scene from
Clue where he's like I sort of. I knew someone would expose me
so I decided to expose myself. Please, Sir, there are ladies.
Present. That's great.
While I derailed you there, I really feel like cuz Gab's been
coming up like every episode and just kind of chilling.
Yeah, we're doing some personal grooming.
I feel like we should get a cat Cam.
I could just intercut. Oh that would be so great.
Cuz I'm sure when we're talking about something boring like I
tend to do that people be like, oh, at least there's a cat on
the camera. That'd be delightful.
That, well, like one of our cameras that we use when we're
out of town, maybe. Oh, that could work.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know how to get, but we'll figure that out, yeah.
But anyway, so Oh yeah, the. Mary, the Mary, the Mary of it
all. Yes, which it feels like an
entirely different episode. Yeah, I'm happy please for the
updates. Grateful for the updates.
Sorry to hear. Also sad knowing when we know
that he just recently got arrested.
Right thing. Whatever.
The you know, I mentioned when we were watching it, like it's
difficult to watch. I don't want this to happen
every episode. Like, I don't need this every
episode. What I don't like about it is
that clearly there's a lot of silence between them, and that
doesn't go well with me. Like, I don't believe in
silence. You've taught me a little bit
that silence isn't the worst thing in the world, but I just
feel like a situation like that, there's a lot going unsaid
between them. And I couldn't tell if it was
because they're on ATV show and they just didn't want to say
certain things or if that's the tack she's actually taking or
that they take with each other. Is that like, I'm going to tell
you this? I'm not going to say anything,
you know, I'm not going to say anything that's going to
dissuade you from telling me more.
Because what Mary was saying was very true, that like she
helicoptered so much that like she created, she feels she
created a situation where he can't let her down.
So obviously he comes in and he says, hey, I smoked weed today.
I know I'm not supposed to, but I did.
You know she probably wants to scream or something but doesn't
want to create a situation where he won't come back and tell her
what's going on. It's better to know what the
problem is than guess, right? Yeah, I also, I took her silence
as being very surprised and not knowing exactly how to react.
And also a little bit of what you're saying of not wanting to
say the wrong thing or like screaming at him, like, how
would you do that? You know?
She said earlier on in the episode that Robert Senior said
when he came back from rehab, they weren't going to babysit
him. And he's got to figure his way
out of this. And to extent, yes, he has to
help himself if he really wants help, if he wants to move on and
get beyond this addiction or live with the addiction because
you can't really get beyond it. But also too, he needs support
from his family. I don't know how many friends he
has or how I don't think we have any other family, right.
You know, Well, he was saying like his friends, he can't
really be. That was really interesting to
me of the idea of you can't soothe yourself or do the same
routines because that's bad, that's the addiction and you
can't hang out with friends you normally would who would support
you because they were the ones you used to party with, right?
So now you're just like stuck at home trying to be good and the
pressure. Then you relieve that by eating
a lot, right? And doing weed or probably the
weed let maybe leads to eating a lot with the munchies.
So that was really interesting. Interesting.
And that's why also people lean really hard into 12 step
programs, yeah, because they like don't have any other
support groups. So that's where they go.
And I'm sure you know, when you're his age, you're like,
well, I feel weird being in a support.
Group, right? Like that seems like something
older people go through and like, there's no place for him.
There's got to be like a younger group.
Yeah, there, there surely is. But yeah, that's.
You think that the rehab clique would give him These are places
you can go to once you leave here to they probably, yeah.
Yeah, I'm sure that they have, but at the.
Same time. I mean, I still want to do it.
I you know the idea of going to any sort of support group.
Of strangers. Like even to this day, like I'm
a little bit more open to it now in my 40s because I'm just like,
well, life is weird, you know, like in my 20s and especially I
would have been like, no, I, I don't, I got this figured out,
you know, right. I'm not going to go tell a bunch
of I'm, you know, I would be a little too proud to do that.
But he doesn't. And like that's how you fall
again. And I just.
The one, the one thing about, you know, him saying he's doing
weed and the one thing that like by no means, I don't know if
you're aware of this. I'm not an expert on addiction.
The one thing that I I resonates with me is that like, you know,
you can't let every set back be a failure.
You know it's. Just define you.
Right. It's just like you're going to
make mistakes since we're all learning what we're doing and
especially, you know, trying to get out from under, you know,
addiction. You're going to have setbacks
and you know, just going to be something you know, you need to
account for and plan for. And just make sure you know when
it, when it happens, you pick yourself back up best you can,
you know. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago
that he was in rehab. So it's not, this is still very
fresh. He's still got a figure it out.
Two things about it though, I wonder like the way he kind of
casually said it was just like a lot of people don't see weed as
being an addictive thing or part of addiction or something that
leads to your addiction. So it's like the situation which
it's iffy because I get it like marijuana isn't necessarily
addictive, but like if you always smoked weed and then did
a bunch of heroin. Or cocaine or whatever, whatever
it is. Here to be like I'm high, you
know what sounds good right about now?
The other drug, you know, so that's very dangerous for sure.
And so like, that's the people, the people that can have an
addiction and feel they can balance it.
And those that successfully do, I'm always like a little
apprehensive for them in that like, how long until this
escapes you? And that's just, you know, for
your own sake of not getting to the worst you've ever been
again, Like, I hope that that doesn't lead that way.
So like, I hope that they're not considering, well, I don't know.
I hope that they have a healthy relationship with whatever his
road to recovery is. And, you know, not for me to
judge. But the other thing, what did
Mary say? You just got to walk out of it.
Is that what she said? Isn't that what she said?
You gotta walk through it something like.
That, you know, I think she applies a lot of her sermons.
Yes, two things. And it's not always that cut and
dry, but you do, you know, it's nice to have like a little
motivating phrase, you know, for him, but there's a bit more to
it. But so then where do we get?
Is it get to the party? The The Socialite party.
The socialite, Amy. The socialite.
OK. Why did they make a big deal
about her if they weren't going to have her really on camera
like she didn't have like. I feel like Amy doesn't want to
be on the show because maybe she is truly a socialite and.
But everyone at her party signed off on this.
Everyone was. Everyone signed a release.
There were no blurred faces. Everyone signed a release.
They all wanted to witness. Witness the circus for a night
but not be attached to it. My thought was they paid Amy to
host this. That production did is sort of
like a like a free day at college.
I feel production is a little cheaper than that.
No, I feel well. I mean not for not for a non
housewife. No, but I feel like they have to
rent an event space somewhere to do.
This no, when they when those girls when the full time
customers to a party that's out of pocket production doesn't pay
for that. So that was Amy's party.
She paid for it. I think she wanted oh.
Oh no, I agree with you. Amy paid for it, but I think
they probably someone paid her some money to be like hey, we'll
give you like 5 grand if you let us film there too and.
No, I think she agreed to it. I think she actually is friends
with some of them to a certain extent.
And I think, again, you know, you see it on TV.
She wanted it like no one would go into this, not an all cast
events having. Clearly everyone has watched the
show in that room. Everyone had watched the show.
They knew what was going to go down.
There's going to be some shit happening.
So they Amy was like, OK, I'll let this shit happen.
It'll be fun for my friends to like see it up close and
personal, but then we can all have looks on our face like
these people. Feels like a trip to the reality
show zoo. Exactly.
And they can look down their noses at them like, Oh my God,
how tacky Dick sucker. But you know, but.
See, but I feel like some of them, some of them, there's
definitely a benefit for the show.
They were laughing at them. But I don't know, not all of
them. A lot of them were.
There was a benefit to the show of some people going like, oh,
okay, this is what it's like. This isn't so bad.
And some people were snickering and being like, okay, you know.
I don't think any. I feel like they, they do a lot
of, or trying a lot of trying to cast for these shows.
So I'm sure they probably put out feelers to many of the women
in that room, right? But I feel a lot of them were
like hell no or their husband said hell no 'cause this is Salt
Lake. Salt Lake, you know.
I think this is a good, good chance for them to see what it's
about and be like, OK, maybe next time I'll say yes, that's
what it's. Maybe it's possible, but I think
a lot of it was just like, it's a day at the zoo, Yeah,
basically. And Lisa gave them tacky
housewife. Anyone who says that Lisa, oh,
I'm sure there's so many people be like, oh, Lisa ate here.
She da da da. She had some great lines.
I didn't gasp a lot. I've seen that whole gout Dick
sucker in the trailer, but I wasn't expecting it.
I'd forgotten for a second. So when she said it, I was like,
Oh my God. But it was still tacky as fuck.
And the fact that she had to, I said fuck whatever.
It was an episode, episode. The fact that she had to go down
to that level, as you were saying earlier, down to the
gutter, proves you can't fight right, Right.
Also she couldn't stop saying it.
She's like oh gout Dick sucker. She said it 20 more times.
She worked on that, Yeah, she workshop that well.
And. From what Brahman was saying
yeah she prob Brahman said something five years ago about
probably made Brahman made the joke herself that like.
I made the joke about like Todd, I mean.
Old has gout and I have to suck his Dick.
It's probably something, she said, and then Lisa turned
around and used it on her. Five years.
Later oh you're right, which I think she did mention his gout
last season too but let's can you wait sorry let's let's stop
here can you get gout in your Dick No, no OK, that's what I.
Thought well, I mean, you can get gout anywhere there's
inflammation of the joints. So right, there's no joints in
your Dick. I mean unless it counselor
connects, I don't know that joint joint.
I just love Whitney's. Like I didn't know I thought
gout was in the foot. Gout is typically in your feet,
in your like lower extremities, the way your blood pumps and
everything that has something to do with it.
My brother Adam has a lot of gout.
Oh that's fun. I mentioned gout but like about
him but. It made me think that maybe I
get the gout sometimes but I don't know.
I don't still have don't have enough body awareness.
To, but not your Dick. Your Dick is fine.
My Dick is great. So let's let's break down the
fight. We're not gonna cut that out.
Yeah, your Dick is great. It's.
The breakdown to fight. Yes, basically.
Basically, Lisa comes into the party looking for the fight.
Bronwyn is also looking for the fight.
Well, Heather promised her a fight, yes.
So, I mean, Heather, Lisa was not wrong.
Yes. So basically.
So Lisa's confronting Angie, talking about Bronwyn.
Oh, no, no, no. Let's back it up.
A more freaking snitch, Brittany.
So then Bronwyn said da da da. And then Angie compared you to
Jen Shaw. Like Brittany?
Yeah. She's not gonna like you like
that. Just stop.
And you saw what happened when Bronwyn liked you for 5 minutes
last season, right? How well that went like you can
be tossed in the road and run over again.
So she. I liked how all the other women
were like, oh, they're talking about, oh, oh, she just said
like that, you know, wasn't that big.
It wasn't that big. Echoed it.
Echoed high heavens. Yeah, yeah.
So I'm sure they're all like, what?
What? So then she like Lisa is like
ready to attack Angie, who's and she's gotta get better at this.
You know, she's like, well, well, let me explain.
And then Brown was like, no, no, no, no, it's about me.
And then for freaking Lisa to turn around like you're
dismissed like that elitist attitude.
We are all on the same damn show lady.
Like you cannot just dismiss me. We all getting paid.
I don't care if you are at Sundance with Blake and Ben,
what the fuck ever. We are all on housewives
together. So this attitude of I'm better
than you get. It's basically it's one step
like close to Britain. Who?
Vicky Gollinson saying get off my show.
Shut up, Lisa. Now, it'd be different if she,
Lisa, was talking to Brittany, because Brittany's just a friend
of Yeah, Brittany doesn't have the snowflake.
That's OK. We're all we're all for hazing
the friend. Rights like you can go now
you're not you only have a segment of the reunion I'm all
right forever full time right now there was bronwyn she should
have like stood back yes because she was again looking for the
fight right she came up to Lisa and said no, you want to fight
but but. Back up, back up, back up.
Yeah, So what was Angie doing? So Lisa came up and was trying
to have her have an own. Talk.
We knew talk and Angie was trying.
I was trying to, I would like to have seen where Angie was really
going to get with that. She was going to say basically
saying, you know, I think she was eventually gonna apologize
for as she apologized at in the moment with the girls.
I should have said that, right? Yeah.
And she was saying, you know,
all the losses, we're talking about it.
And then, you know, Jen, that like she was going to get there,
but she's thinking a while to get there.
She was making points, but not in a very quick fashion because
she's a. Little slow with that.
Yeah, she's a little robotic. A little.
Bit. I am the outstanding citizen.
It would have worked better on a one-on-one scene, right?
Like let me tell you, Lisa, why? I said.
I am so surprised that none of them, I thought Meredith,
Meredith tried to be like, well, maybe we should talk about that,
you know, together sometime because it's like, that room was
so loud. Yeah, so.
So but yeah, you're right, I Angie would have apologized for
that, but I just don't know what her game plan was after that to
be like, well, we were talking about the lawsuits.
Like what was I going to say? They didn't exist like.
Right, right. But it was long for me to
compare Jin Sha. That I will agree.
She never should have brought Jin Shawn to it.
This totally. Also just kind of weak sauce of
a like someone who's not on the show shouldn't be brought up.
Just leave like no one wants to see Jin Shawn anymore.
Actually, I want I shouldn't speak in absolute absolute.
Andy Kohn doesn't see Jin Shawn anymore.
OK. And we don't and we don't.
Yeah, I don't need to see whatever.
So yes, so then Bronwyn inserts herself in the situation.
So yes, which? Isn't wrong.
Bronwyn was right for that to say, like, look, you're talking
to everyone else about things that I was doing, yes.
So it's like, don't be blaming them.
You're talking. About me to Heather right so and
now I'm here and now you want to dismiss me because at the end of
the day, much like Heather like sorry, Lisa knows how smart
Bronwyn is and like when you get into with her, she's going to
come at you just as hard like I'd like very intelligent I.
Like how Bronwyn had explanations to Heather about
like, well, I thought you guys were going to thought you were
going to be fine after the reunion and everything.
It's like, yeah, but Lisa. Kept going.
Freaking Heather. Heather is aware of everything
that's going on in the housewife world.
Like, she is a like, a housewife and a fan.
She knew that Lisa was talking shit about Bronwyn online 24/7
after the reunion. But I think for her to be, like,
surprised, though, I don't understand.
I thought you want to be friends.
I wanted to be friends, Heather, until she started, like, talking
me out. Yeah.
And like, there was a resolution
after the reunion. But I love that Bronwyn was
present and able to say that. Like, yeah, I was willing to.
But then it never stopped. Like, I'm not going to sit down
and take it. And I'd be like, oh.
Which is exactly what Heather does.
Oh, Lisa, you're the best. Like.
But also, Heather does not like Bronwyn.
So she was like, sure, Lisa, go out, dog her out.
And then I'm surprised. Bron, why are you?
Don't gaslight. Heather was doing so much
gaslighting in that scene with Bronwyn.
I was like, just stop it, Heather.
You know what you're doing? You know what you're saying,
right? Stop.
We have the veneer. We're not.
We're seeing through the veneer like the veil is off.
We know who you are. You've proven that now for two
seasons. Stop.
Do better, Heather. Again, I say it, do better.
We've. I'm back to the I love her, I
want her to do better. I do too.
I don't love her anymore. I like her.
But you know the love I felt for her in the first season?
No, she's no. So when someone shows you who
they really are, believe in the first time.
Anyways, So, yeah, back to the fight.
So yes, Ron Lynn, even though I wouldn't have gone this tack,
they're gonna say that she's thirsty and wanting to get
Lisa's attention. No, she's had some issues with
Lisa. So it does make sense in a sense
for her to like come at her and then Lisa claps back and then
they go start going at it. And then Lisa has to rely on
just the basis of things and calling her a gout Dick sucker.
And because that's all she oh, you didn't go to college.
Oh, you're dismissed And then calling her a pig.
You are now Monica Garcia. No.
I mean, I hate to say it as well, like, you know, when it
comes down to political rhetoric, you know, our
commander in chief right now. That's how you fight.
That's how you fight, yes, Is you're like, oh, I don't have
anything substantive to say, so I'm just going to call you a fat
pig. I'm going to start body shaming
you. I'm going to start, you know,
attacking your looks. I'm going to start.
Start imitating her. Oh, now you're going to think we
all know Bronwyn does the hair behind the ear, right?
Like thing like that's her thing.
It's like probably a nervous. Threat of herself.
Yes, it's a nervous tick. So it just but like, again, it's
just when you have nothing else to rely on, you're going to.
Why? Do you want to decimate this
girl because you think she's a threat?
Anybody else like she like with Whitney, she's like whatever,
Whitney, you're trash. That's what Lisa's basically
said, right? And she said the same thing
about Heather. You're a good time girl,
whatever in the past. Angie, you're this.
Meredith, you're that. You are this.
If I keep coming at you about things that are going on that
you're stressed out about in your life, you're not going to
sit down and take it. So from Lisa's perspective,
she's got to do something. But fight intelligently and
don't go for like the lowest of the low.
Right, I was going to say like how, how could she handle it,
but I Rodman walking away is the way to handle that just being.
Like whatever, walk away but it but it still she walked away
from episode 1 and now she's like I got to get back in there
but. Being like what?
But I think, you know, say what you will about Meredith.
Meredith disengages. And just like whatever I don't
need. It's not worth my time.
I'm not going to fight with you, right?
I'm not going to go into the gutter with you.
Instead of being like, I dismiss you just being like whatever and
just. Dismiss yourself.
Exactly. I'm I can't with this
conversation. Goodbye.
That's why Meredith, you know, when this all was going down,
she was like, I'm whatever, want to fight this out?
Not my fight. But yeah, just to like say those
things. It was just so gross.
Like Ronwen's not a pig. She's not she's not someone who
needs to be dismissed like you are not.
This is not the Lisa Barlow show.
I don't care. Yes, we did spend so many time,
so much time talking about her last episode.
Whatever. She's a cast member.
Shit was going down there, all these lawsuits, you know, like
that's going to happen. So just, it just irritates me
the feeling that Lisa can just like she has this idea that she
is so much better than that. Yes, the entitlement drives me
nuts. Entitlement drives everyone
nuts. But it's pretty with these
women. You're all on the same damn
level, right? Sundance Queen.
She isn't even in Utah anymore. Do you think do you think that
she isn't in Utah? No, Sundance isn't going
elsewhere because they did it to themselves.
They did, but still sad there was a lot of economy for Utah.
It is, but you did it to yourself.
Right. Do you think that there's a way
that Lisa could have responded intelligently about the
lawsuits? No, because she goes for
emotion, she goes for fake crying, she goes to the lowest
low even we see in the next episode that with the trailer,
she's just, you know, with her big whiteboard of like, you're
all wrong and I'm right. And she just gets so aggressive,
which also makes me think then you doff protest too much.
Yeah. And there is something to these
lawsuits. So if there was nothing to it,
like whatever, get off my Dick. See, that's kind of, again, I
hate, you know, when it comes to, like, Beverly Hills.
Everything Erica was going through, Erica wasn't vehemently
defending herself from all the accusations.
Well, she that was a different case because she couldn't, but
that was about Tom and she would have made herself look guilty if
she had talked about. But the same thing Lisa could
take, the same thing. These are open lawsuits, the
same thing Karen did on Potomac. Right.
These are it's that too. I'm not going to talk about it.
I'm going to let the justice system figure it out.
And see. Takes the High Road, but she's
so. That girl couldn't find the High
Road GPS like no, no she's not. Who is it?
I wrote Heather Dubrow. She's not Heather Dubrow.
Heather Dubrow would never say gout Dick sucker.
Heather Dubrow is classy. Lisa.
I don't know. I think Heather Dubrow would say
it, but only once. Not I can't run and she wouldn't
call someone a pig. She'd have a pinky race when she
did it though, so it'd be classy, yeah.
But she wouldn't say these things in that manner.
It just really grossed me out. It just no.
I agree. With you.
I agree so but no I love that Bronwyn stood her ground and
just like kept going back like no you got those lawsuits.
No does John know about this? Like she kept making points that
Lisa couldn't. No that's lying it's lies
they're just lying gout blah blah blah.
Like that's all Lisa had When Bronwyn was spitting facts, Lisa
was just spitting insults and one was losing her composure,
drinking, guzzling her drink. And Ron was like, it doesn't
matter how loud loud you yell, Lisa, it's not going to go away.
So I like Ronald for that. It was a great approach and I
think she handled it quite well. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, you
know, I don't think there's. How would they be friends after?
This you can't be friends anymore after this Yeah, I mean,
it's not like said, you know, I think it's.
Will we see them by the end of the season?
You know why they can't be rinsing anymore or why Because I
was thinking about like, you know, I'll shut them down with
Heather and Lisa. At the end of the day, Heather,
no matter how hard they were fighting, still wanted Lisa's
approval as she has shown because she's moved on past all
that crap that Lisa did to her and now she's cool with her.
Bronwyn, I think, saw the light and was like, it doesn't matter
what I say, this woman is going to like.
I still think Bronwyn wants the approval or else why would she
be like putting herself? In here on a show.
OK, that's what I don't think she.
I think she is. No, it's like she said to
Heather. I wanted to move forward, but
then she kept coming at me aggressively online.
So now I realize I can't. Bronwyn had that aha moment that
Heather never did. So I think that's the
difference. And I don't think they they
could maybe coexist, you know, I mean, but it's never going to be
the same if they were truly friends.
Are we going to see them like having a girls night out like in
whatever girls trip they go on this season?
Like, oh, we're having so much fun, the two of them.
No, no, I don't think so. I mean, you know, things can
happen. You know, who would have thought
that narrative would have been able to forgive Lisa for that
tirade And just heard? That tirade on TikTok because
they try to sell the mugs that have it written.
In there. I thought of buying you that,
but I mean, I don't need the, I don't need that profanity from
Lisa Barsa. That was really, really, really,
really. Again, so low.
Yeah, she's fucked up. Half of New York, probably.
True though. But also, if I was married, if I
couldn't get past, you know, the things you said about my
husband, the things about you said about my family, that we're
all posers. Yeah, we will about me, but we
bring my kids into it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We are done. We're just coworkers.
We can coexist. But I will always keep my eye on
you because you are a shady person.
No. So.
But again, it's housewives. Got to resolve, got to move
forward. But I I would not.
I would not understand. So.
So, yeah. I don't see.
I don't. I think the path is whatever we
can be in the same room together, but we're not gonna
talk, you know, I think cuz as Todd says in the previous for
next week, why would she want to be friends with her?
Like just no, no. Yeah, that's unforgivable, you
know, Well. I mean, I, I have to imagine
again that no matter how awful it is, like, you know, I have
friends that I don't talk to right now that I, you know, wish
we were good friends and I know how good it was.
And you know they're still there somewhere, even though if
there's complete pieces of shit now.
It's two things. One, how deep was that
friendship really between Bronwyn and Lisa?
And two, Lisa I don't think will ever truly apologize and take
accountability for the nasty things she's done or said to
Bronwyn. So if you don't have that, that
if Bronwyn's willing to move on, but you're not, Yeah, sure you
got. I'm trying to think back and
think of anything that Lisa's taking accountability for that's
like substantial and I don't, I can't recall.
It I mean, I'm sure she did. And she did apologize to
Meredith about the tirade because it they at the reunion
that year and she's, you know, gone to a better place at one
point with Whitney and with Heather and whatever I didn't
like Whitney tried to like bust in.
And Lisa was like, no, no, no, no, no, not even having that.
No, you know, again, so dismissive.
It's just so irritating, so irritating.
Agreed. Irritated.
We have topped the wheels off of this.
Yeah, I think we mentioned everybody.
I think we have no, I said. We could probably go on for a
while because. They should be spinning our
wheels. Right.
And we don't need to do that, but it's a good episode.
It was a good episode number. 2. Yes, that's thing with I mean,
we'll see how the season goes, but last season proved there was
no filler with Salt Lake, so I hope this will be the same thing
of just nonstop good episodes. Agreed.
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