Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jack.
And we just watched an episode of The Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City. Yes.
We did. It was, I don't know how.
How could you call this anything other than a filler episode,
right? Yeah, not a lot really happened.
No, but I guess we had updates on things.
I think we just like, you know, rather than wrap up that fight
and at the clarity lunch they at last week, they put it in the
top of this week and they got to a good place.
And then there's a thing else to do because there wasn't another
big event until next week. So it was more just individual
scenes and with family or, you know, two housewives like
Whitney and Brittany and is explaining things then, but not
a lot of actions like a lot of like talking about things.
Yes, a lot of I guess it was because Heather broke her peace
at the at the end of that Clarity lunch and then everyone
felt like all kumbaya up in the moment.
Yeah, at in the moment though, I mean, well before she even got
there, it was, you know, Angie and Lisa going back and forth
about like franchises and what I don't understand why Lisa's
feels the need to go after someone's business.
I guess because they she feels that they went after her and and
whatnot, but just to say throughout things that she
doesn't know to be for a fact to be true in order to get
someone's goat and get a reaction.
And then it does, it deflects from the moment the the what's
actually happening, which is talking about her situation.
But it's a stupid way, but it does.
She knows how to get them riled up and switched to a different
topic aside from her legal issues.
So, you know, good for her that she can figure that out.
But it's just, you know, I wish Andy Angie hadn't taken the
bait, you know, And but yeah, just the whole the about her
store and they're like, it goes into like, you know, the product
that that I bet doesn't even like exist anywhere, right.
You know, I doubt she was out like heavily promoting wolf, Bad
Wolf. Where the hell goes?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it was, I think
it was actually kind of smart of Angie to bring up.
I mean, I hate that it's associated with the kids line
the kids, because I think that was fair game.
Like, hey, instead of, you know, worrying about all this stuff,
why aren't you out promoting the brands you do have?
Like, you know, we put people invested in this.
Your time would be better spent doing that than doing this
stupid sign thing behind you. I think yeah, she had said done
that when maybe not called it C level and then because they're
they're ones like Oh no, now you're talking bad about her
child. It's like, no, it's about the
kids product. I also don't think that Jack is
like, you know, so devastated that his product's being talked
about because he doesn't really give a crap.
Right, right. Well, he's also on his.
Mission, Yeah, so. Yeah, he's not worrying about
the sales of his product from two years ago.
That was so long ago. I remember that they did that
photo shoot and yeah. Yeah.
Can we, I mean, can we talk about Heather and like whatever
that speech was like, I don't know that that was like, I don't
think it was like the most amazing speech ever, but it was
so, so full of herself, almost like, you know what I mean?
Full of herself. We're talking about Lisa.
Just about the whole situation, like she just seemed like she
was going to be the one to bring everyone together and like, you
know, that she was going to say something that finally got
through to everyone, you know what I mean?
It's the way of being the voice of reason, basically, and
something you need to be said to stop the fighting and because it
wasn't productive, but also like, you know, we're talking
about vulnerability and you're a fierce.
I thought it was more bullshit of like Lisa saying I love
everyone here and we've I fight so hard because I love you so
hard. And it's like, I don't really
believe that anymore because people you brought onto this
show who you say you love so much, you really done so much to
decimate them. You know, being, you know, we're
first Angie and now Bronwyn, so I know, and then Owen Meredith
too, like Kirsten was a best friend.
You know, I if anything, I wouldn't want to be Lisa's best
friend or like seek that friendship because ultimately
one day she'll flip on you and like eviscerate you.
And that's I would rather just be like, let's keep it surface
level. See, at the party, Kiss, kiss.
Yeah. But I'm not going to, like give
you anything that you can use as ammunition against me down the
line. It's it's the Arsenal that that
all the franchises speak of. Yeah, Margaret's Arsenal,
Tamra's Arsenal, all this. Stuff, at least with Margaret's
arsenal, Margaret is like actually good with words and you
know, can you know, it's she's really quick and she doesn't
just shout out like she's dug up actual facts and then throw at
you from her arsenal. At least it's just like, yeah,
you own 1.5. That's a good number 1.5.
That's how many that's. Gonna get her good.
You don't even like own total half.
It's just one point. Total hole.
It's just one point. Yeah, yeah, you get the.
Gist I get the gist I I did like I I wish it made more sense.
Angie's comeback of like you. You do French fries, I do
franchise. Well, she's talking about her
Wendy's deal. All right.
Yes. Things I'm too.
Smart. Yeah.
So that's what she meant. Like you do your Wendy's thing.
I'm like, have all these stores. Yeah, like don't.
I'll worry about how I make my money and how many stores I own
and don't own. You do your thing.
I get it. And that.
Makes that was. That's why Mayor is like, oh,
that's good. I I mean, so giving Heather a
little bit of credit that like at least she did say, I think
the one thing that rang through to me was like, you guys just
aren't fun to be around. Like this is just tiresome.
And like you know who no ones going to want to do any of this
if you keep acting like this like we got to bring.
It back yeah. It's like the same the same
fight going around in circles at one point, you know at least
Brown was like I I'm going to like just bow out and and then
even Whitney was like I need to remove myself in the situation
calm down then come back to the table and not ring her neck.
Yeah, so I like her whole she's like a toddler just got to wear
herself out. And it's true.
She like flipped out, did a lot of gestures and then she's like,
OK, but I, I love you guys so much and I left hard and I fight
hard. Yeah.
And I got frustrated. No R frustrated.
I this again, I don't these sort of like I'm going to go ahead
and just she's declaring how vulnerable she is and all that
stuff like, oh, all of a sudden I'm going to say all the things
that you want me to say. So here I'm saying them.
And then what good did that do them the very next day or the
next week, whatever. She ends up sending her
assistant down to Andrew's. Store so that's the weird thing
skipping heaven and go back. They were in not like a good
place where they were like oh I love you I love you too.
We fight so hard. Whatever.
Let's have a cheers. And then she must have thought
about it and was like, you know what?
I don't like what she said about my son.
So I'm going to get that product back and like, pay her off and
say like, I'm done with you taking my product back, but will
now be on my dusty show. Yeah.
And also like the fact that she didn't understand, like, it's
dusty because it's in the back. No one's.
Yeah, purchased it. And to make.
That the store is dusty. It's the product is dusty, Yeah.
I'm sure she knows that but wanted to be shady anyway and
say like I can send my clean. Shade here's my her sidebar.
Her assistant is so pretty yeah yes Sage.
I think that's why she has a job because she's pretty.
I don't know about how she does with typing or whatever or tasks
but like. I'm sure she's wonderful at
that. But yeah, but first and
foremost, I, you know, I didn't even register how pretty she
was. Very pretty, pretty gal, as
Angie said, is. That what Angie said.
I love Angie uses like old school phrases like I'm a pillar
of the community, like she's I'm a 60s housewife, that gal.
So yeah, I didn't I. Just noticed that she kind of
was like, I don't know when she said, yeah, I'm here to pick up
the stuff. Like it was just, it just seemed
very kind of like. I love like the reaction of like
Sean and Angie like excuse. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, OK, that like and but again, Angie never asked for any of
that, you know, and so for just, it's the worst passive
aggressive thing that Lisa could have done.
But again, it's like, we were fine.
And so why? What?
Between then and now? Who riled you up to the point
where you weren't fine maybe? Or did it like just ruminate in
your head and you're like, no. Maybe she went home and actually
had a talk to with with John Barley and he was like, I can't
believe should say that. Maybe he riled.
Her No John Barley can't roll up anything.
John Barley couldn't spell roll up.
Ohh John Bartlett not saying he's dumb I was saying he's just
so passive got it. And he sucks at parking but like
he's just. Can we talk about the parking?
Why is why is everything about Salt Lake showing everyone
coming up? It's like it's parking on Salt
Lake. It's like a slow MO walk on
Atlanta. I don't understand what's going
on. I don't need to see you arrive
at the event. I just, I'm just, you got the
event, I'm good. I don't need to see like how far
away from the curb you are. Right on Potomac they do show
everyone driving up and like they're.
The G Wagon, not all that, yeah. Exactly.
The the whole maneuver is what's being captured in Salt Lake, and
so that is it is. It's like they strike gold of
that one time with John Barlow, and they're like, we need to do
this every time. No.
And let's say, like, parking perpendicular to the curve.
No, not really. You don't need to show it all
the time. But yeah, I didn't understand.
And then I think it was funny showing the, like, hearing the
retelling of back and forth, Lisa and Angie, and having
Heather's reaction as the audience be like, Oh my God, she
said that like, yeah, it's just so.
Yeah. Do you?
I feel like I'm jumping ahead again to Angie and Meredith
meeting. So I mean do.
You we can keep on Angie track. Yeah, I mean, I think the Angie
track's a good one to be on because like that's she got the
most through lines, I think. I I the thing, I don't think
that that's why this is a filler episode, because that was their
like, ending of like, whoa, what's going to happen?
And she told Meredith that like Lisa was like trying to push her
to talk smack about Meredith. I'm like, that's a really crappy
ending. Yeah, it was pretty, yeah.
But I mean, I think it was a little bit much for, I mean, I
guess I liked it though. That's my problem with it is I
like that Angie was purposely stirring shit with Meredith and
especially, well, you know, I'm going to have to talk to her
about this. Oh yeah, Yeah, I do it.
Yeah. She.
Absolutely. Simply put me on that.
Yeah. She was so.
Made of it. Do you need to record this so
you can like get it right? OK.
Like Angie was suddenly a transcript.
My problem is that I feel like it's going to end up being, even
though there will be some drama that comes out of it, it's going
to end up being, well, that was three years ago or that was so
many years ago and then it's water under the bridge now.
You know that's. Sort of.
But as Meredith said, we were in a fine place, she and Lisa.
Why was she encouraging someone to not be in a good place with
her and to dig up dirt on her? And I believe it happened, but
Lisa's just going to deny it. Meredith will give her the
benefit of that because she's like known her longer than Angie
and she and Angie have had more issues than she and Lisa as
Although again, I won't forget anyone for calling me a whore
and saying I screwed half from New York and talking about my
family. But but whatever, Meredith.
But Lisa didn't actually call Bronwyn a whore, She just
suggested that she has sex for money.
That's not at all what a whore is whatsoever.
Does she not know the definition of whore or sex worker?
Because that's what she basically used.
Like I. Just I, Yeah, you.
Yeah, you're get you're getting to the same final destination
there of someone who has sex for money.
Like whether you use these words or not, you were suggesting that
your friends are doing that, so your.
Married friend. And you're trying to.
Weaponize to make it a bad thing for money.
Yeah, so she can buy sweaters or Christian Siriano dresses.
Yes, that she actually buys whatever good for.
Yes, you wanted to go to the whole Lisa Bronwyn.
Well, I figure it's a good place to go.
That, or we have to talk about Bronwyn and Muzzy.
We'll get there. Can we make it a drinking game
where every time she says Muzzy, you gotta chew out a drink?
Muzzy Wuzzy was a. Mother.
She's a mother. All right, shut your mouth.
No. So it was a good conversation.
I'm glad Lisa finally took some accountability and actually
apologized, because lots of times people just apologize to
Lisa. Whether they stay in this good
place. I doubt it.
Maybe a couple episodes. I think it's a little bit cheap
though that I mean, I understand why, like she had a reason or
excuse to do it, but I, I think it's a little cheap that she did
it one-on-one and not in front of the other women.
I think they had to do that way because two people will jump in.
I get it, but I. Gets lost in the song.
I wanted, I wanted the the entire crew to see Lisa
apologizing. Well, they'll she knows they'll
see it when they watch the I. Suppose.
I suppose. But yeah, I think it was good.
It would gotten too muddled and people would have dropped,
jumped in and you know, Britt. Brittany would have had an
announcement. Right.
Someone would have, like, hyped up Bronwyn.
Somebody would have hyped up Lisa.
Yeah. So now they had a conversation.
They, like, apologized. They actually hurt each other,
you know, admitted they hurt each other purposely or or not
on purpose and could start in a better place for now because it
will not last, just like Lisa and Angie, I'm sure, especially
when the Bronwyn stuff comes out about her legal issue from the
past, you know, I'm sure Lisa will be leaving the charge on
that. So, but I'm glad that for just
this one moment, this one segment, Lisa took some
accountability because Bronwyn already has and you know, but
she gave a sincere apology. That's the difference.
I feel like Broadland is a sincere person.
And I think a realistic apology that she said, like, look, we're
not going to be best friends, da, da, da.
But like, I'm not going to say these things moving forward.
Yeah, she set a very clear like goal of this is how I'm going to
behave towards you. Husbands are off limits.
Grace are off limits, right? Yeah.
Which seems to be the they should just be handed that like
on a card when they get hired. Husbands are off limits.
Children are off limits. The thing is, husbands are not
off limits. Typically that's true, but kids
they must be because they they didn't ask to like be pulled
into this, right? Right.
So yeah, that was fine. Yeah, I guess we should need to
talk about Muzzy and. Well, we should go to Whitney
and Brittany. Oh, that.
Was in the plant store, right? I don't think you understand
what you're saying. It's your daughter, Brett.
Put down the cactus. That could have gone two
different ways. I mean, that kind of really
gone. Brittany could have.
And I'm wondering if she still might be like, you know, you
were really insinuating them a bad mother.
How dare you? That could take it that way and
express it that way, but Britt Whitney wasn't.
He was doing everything except calling her a bad.
She would through extra special care to not call her SO.
It was incredulous that Brittany could be thinking about anything
else aside from making it good with her daughter, you know?
And so who cares about Jared? You had a not so great
relationship with your daughter. She's giving you a chance.
You should go along with that. So because it's your daughter
and that matters more than this dude who like sometimes is your
is your boyfriend, sometimes odd, sometimes you're engaged.
So it was just like, it makes sense.
But and and the Brittany's like seem to be thinking it's really
hard to make this choice. And I'm like, it's really not
because if she and Jared had a real solid relationship, I could
see it being difficult. Like, oh, my daughter isn't like
my significant other because it happens all the time, you know,
But it's not, it's very shaky their their relationship.
It always has been. So it just makes more sense to
choose your child all think we don't know the details though
that because she's just a friend of and we don't get all the like
what is happening? Why did you fall out?
You know, as it always have you always shows in men over your
daughter what happened with your ex-husband.
It's just we need more details in order.
But it just for for Whitney, it was just like a girl, no?
Yeah, Like, this shouldn't, this should not even be a
conversation. Exactly.
But I mean, I can see to an extent that, like, the most
serious thing, like the only place that Brittany can see
herself being in a serious relationship is with Jared.
It's not like she can like, close her eyes and be like, oh,
the likelihood of me being with anyone else is as strong as
Jared. So I can think in her mind,
she's like, I'm going to end up with Jared.
Like if I end up with anybody, you know?
And so it's kind of the thing where it's like they're going to
have to get used to it, but at the same time, I don't think
that they're there right now to be able to say you have to get
used to it. Right.
I also like to have the ages of her daughters because that would
give context as well, you know, like are these like angry
teenagers or are they a little bit older?
I. I think they're grown.
I want to say I. Feel like because Whitney said
something about grown, but then and then the trip, well, group
trip last year, I remember Brittany saying something like
she brought up like, oh, so and so did great, like we're talking
again. And I thought maybe she's
something like a math. She did great on her in studies
in school. Maybe she's in college.
College could be OK. We'll look that up or we don't.
We'll just say that we do. Yeah, we need to do that.
The other thing that happened with Whitney was the stripper
pole getting reinstalled and reminiscing going down stripper
pole memory lane with. Also, as you said, like she is,
you know, once the dam open or broke, she was like every
episode my failed business failed.
Yeah, let's talk about our failed business.
And now God's giving me a chance to bloom elsewhere with my
flower since it failed. Yeah, he really is wanting to
take accountability for her. Her failed.
I am Opus and odd. Like she was like let me show
you some bad checks. Like let me.
Here's some. Here's some red ink from every
PNL for the last night. You know, nine months.
Yeah, she was really. Really.
Yeah, wanting to owning it, like even Lisa Arena would be like,
you've owned it, girl, it's OK. Let someone else own something
for a little while. Right, yeah.
So I when she said though, like, you know, I need to go back,
like stay the course. I'm like, so what's the course
now? Like where, you know, I think
though I heard that she is bringing it back the whatever.
So I think I I don't know. I was, I was going to say maybe,
maybe she's making such a big deal about it failing.
So she can be like, well, and that's why we're filing
bankruptcy for the business, you know, because it failed
miserably. And then they can get a fresh
start, which is what bankruptcy is supposed to be for, if that
is indeed happening or you know, maybe it's in case there's
something comes up about the alleged MLM and, and all that
about. Ohh right, she can.
Do you know about? Yeah, I knew this was a failure.
MLM's don't work and. It failed, yes.
It does. You had said something and I
didn't pounce on it quickly enough to make a good segue into
Mary sitting in the church. Oh, I forgot about Mary.
Yes. That whole conversation, I
understand that they were reiterating a lot of things that
we kind of already knew. Or had heard or heard about or
wasn't. So basically the through line
was Mary got to church after her grandmother died.
Her mother wanted to contest that she was removed from the
church by police at one point, stopped talking to Mary,
allegedly put out horrible stories in the press about Mary,
and then most recently died. And so Mary, while, you know,
sad about her mother dying, you know, they obviously weren't
close. And it's almost like this
chapter's closed and maybe a bit of relief that that energy isn't
out there anymore, you know, but also sad because it's your mom.
So I think that was. Right.
Yeah, that seemed to be about right.
I I did enjoy that. Cousin was his Big Bob.
George. Big Jim.
Big Jim, Big Joe Big. Joe.
I think Big Joe is like, sometimes Mary would say
something, he'd be called. He'd be like, yeah, uh huh.
He had. No, he didn't.
He didn't really know how to respond.
Right. Because he's like, yeah, you are
saying the thing that we know happened.
But the audience is a no so audience.
This happened. So, but yeah, I didn't know that
she that her church. I mean, I thought that she just
wasn't being part of like the church.
I remember. Like there was something where
it closed and that was well, it's we we don't know all the
because she wasn't on the show right Time capacity.
So we didn't get like the what exactly happened?
It may. Have been why she wasn't so she
wouldn't have to have that on the show.
Well, that's why she didn't go met with the reunion that year,
right? Her second year, because she
didn't want to talk about it. Because that's.
Yeah. Or Lisa brought that guy on the
show and then he mysteriously died.
Yeah. And.
That was, yeah, that whole it. Was being called a cult.
Yes. And what did she say?
The Heather and Palm Springs, what they call me a a
perversion. Yeah, I know a pornography.
Yeah. And she what was the word I?
Don't even remember. Now what was that?
Predator. Predator, yeah.
No, it was like it was Predator. It was Heather like throat like
so sick. It's like, yeah, yeah, Predator.
I remember that. But yeah, it's weird because
Mary makes it seem like through that whole scene that like, oh,
we were just closed for remodeling.
I've had Big Joe, you know, working right, working on the
pews for the last year and. Also, I'm sorry, every time you
see a Big Joe, I think a big John from from golf, the wind,
it's it's. Well, we'll just start calling
him Mary's cousin just to prevent Joe confusion.
Joe So. But yeah, it's just like, no,
girl, there was a scandal surrounding your church and, you
know, that was a focus of, you know, the reason why we didn't
really instill. It's hard to, like you were
saying, it's hard to kind of latch on to Mary being this
queen of the one liners when, you know, in the back there's
this kind of cloudy, you know, there's always this.
Reputation. The thing is, we didn't
necessarily like Mary that much, you know, when in the first
couple of seasons and now she's enjoyable, she's funny, and I
like relationship with Angie, although that seems to hit a
bump next week. But at the back, yes, in the
back of your mind you're thinking, but there's nothing,
not nothing. There's something not quite
right about her situation. Be at the husband, be at the
church, the alleged cults of it all.
But seeing that now she's trying to have us believe that her
mother planted all these stories, which.
Oh, right, which? Right, I would say that like a
lot of. She's dead, so she can't test
this. A lot of the stories if her, a
lot of those stories they referred to just seem to be the
regurgitation of facts and kind of making the situation between,
you know, the fact that Mary married her step grandfather.
Like just kind of pointing out this is something that's true
and isn't it gross? And even even Mary would say
like, yeah, it's something strange, but like, you know,
unusual but. There's my grandmother's wishes.
Yes. And, you know, it's come with
its own set of pros and cons, you know?
Right. She didn't.
Yeah. So anyway, I don't want to start
speaking for Mary by any means, but it was an interesting scene.
Very much so. Way too long.
Yeah, and then they're going to like go to the church too, down
in one episode. So I was in the trailer like I
don't know her preaching and I guess the grand reopening of the
church but. On Beverly Hills, Erica remodels
for her. Her patio redecorates her house.
It has a party. Mary goes ahead and has a sermon
that's. Fantastic with Jesus.
I love like the beginning. It's like Mary's grandmother and
Jesus. I want to see one.
I'm sure someone already out there on the Internet has one of
Mary and Jesus, I'm sure. I'm sure.
Thanks to AI, Yeah, that's crazy.
So then, yes, the muzzy of it all.
Muzzy Wuzzy. Yeah.
Had a really bad opinion. I mean, she's really sticking to
her guns that like it was all about her that like.
I was so affected by this. I had the shame and Daddy and
you know, because he was for a minute.
I thought you were saying you were so affected by it.
I'm like, really? You didn't seem so affected by
it. Yeah, Muzzy.
Like her because Rollins father worked in the and the temple and
yadda, yadda, yadda. And it's like, yeah, but at the
end of the day. And then I had to like, you
know, take care of your child. Yes.
While Brahman worked to help support the child.
And when she threw out foster care, I was like, whoa, whoa,
whoa, lady. Yeah, step too far.
That's yeah, that's your grandkid.
And yeah, the story that Brahman told about, you know, the guy,
oh, she had to buy something in there, you know, for her other
grandchild. And she's like, no, like if that
went down like that, that's some cold blooded shit right there.
I'm sure she did go down just like that, yeah.
And. The baby gap.
Yeah, I can. Poor baby Gap employee.
Like, oh, OK, put my foot in it. Just ring her up, girl.
Just bring her up. So I can see, especially from
if, you know, all of that, you know, Bronwyn definitely has a
need to, you know, feel celebrated by her mother.
And like, you know, we were talking about it that, like, the
cat's out of the bag. It's 20 years later, the big
Gwen exists. And I think that's probably what
still is irritating Broadwin, is that, like, Gwen exists.
Say what you will about all the bad things that got, you know,
you feel got her here, You know, can we all just agree that she's
amazing? And it seems that even Muzzy
doesn't even do that. She's just kind of like, oh, OK.
It's like it didn't happen in the way you would want it to or
in the timeline, but like you have this great grandchild and
you know, you should just be happy for that and that's all
that matters. That she's so wonderful.
But that's just not. Blasi keeps wanting to dig up
the past. I think she's trying to say, you
know, I don't know. I I lost that trick I think.
She's trying to say she doesn't think that Bronwyn is a good
mother. Like everything that she said
was just basically like, you know, well, that's not what I
would have. Brought I think Bronwyn failed.
Yeah, like she can't get past. Fuck that.
Bronwyn failed. She believed BYU.
She didn't know what she was supposed to do, which was not
have premarital sex. She, you know, didn't raise Gwen
the way she should have. And you know, it all got foisted
back to Muzzy, supposedly to like take care of the daughter
and. Did we know Bronwyn had sisters?
No, I don't think that I've heard that.
Before who are pregnant at the same time but Mormons makes.
Sense yeah, yeah and but probably older and married.
Did it? Did it?
Right, so I'm. So I'm assuming it's two sisters
then? I was assuming share.
Both prey at the same time. Yeah.
Interesting. So 3.
No, I think it was just she was pregnant as the same as one of
the other ones. Not but.
She had both sisters. Oh, that's what I'm saying.
That's OK. The timing of that different
months, of course. Right.
But so instead of that being a happy occasion, it was like
happy for my other two daughters.
But this is the disappointment and she just never let it go.
I would like to see her. Let the mouse guy.
Wonder if she has a relationship with those sisters at all or if
they're like, the sisters are living a completely different
life and they don't even, you know, because I'd be wondering
what their take on 'cause he is like, they all three girls could
just be like, yeah, Mom's crazy, you know, or whatever their,
their thoughts are. Or two of them could be like
very much like, no, you're the black sheep.
And here's why. Well, they're still like in the
Mormon church. They could definitely could
believe that. And you know, that was just
doing the show. This is finally someone one of
the housewives I would like to meet their siblings.
Right, because it's it's important to the story and to
what we. I want, I always want to know
more about Bronwyn. I think she's really interested,
really layered. We're going to make a little too
much coming up, but I I feel I want to see that.
And yeah, but yeah, with the with Muzzy, I just, I don't get
where you're trying to go with this.
Like, does she want Bronwyn to admit, you know, yeah, I really.
I was, I was horrible. I should have done these things.
I'm a bad person. I caused you so much pain.
But I think even she did say it, you know, she but he wouldn't be
satisfied. And then when she said this
whole thing about like, I don't tell you you're wonderful and
great because I don't want you to know it.
Like I mean like not to get a big head or just you just want
her in a box that you put her in and not to get too above her.
That's what it felt like, yeah. I don't want you to get above
your station. I don't want.
You to get above your place. Yeah.
You're still the unwed mother. I don't care how many that
Simons you have now. And your rich husband and the
house that I'm living in. I'm living in your house, Right?
Think about that, Muzzy. Yeah.
You didn't buy this house that Todd bought this.
That was kind of the tone I was getting from the whole
conversation too, is that she didn't want to like, praise her
too much to make her think that like the ends justify the means,
You know, that sort of thing, right?
You're here where you are now. But like you, you know, this
isn't good. How you?
Fail. You still fail.
But it's like your husband who has dementia is in a great
facility, I'm sure, paid for by Todd.
You're living in a house paid for by Todd.
This has all been arranged for you have been like, screw you,
figure it out in California, you know.
Where the other two where the sisters?
Right. Yeah, but like she didn't.
And so, you know, these the kiss Graham's ass, but you cannot be
an ass to her. You know, it's just, it's, it
takes so little. Well, I mean, that's how that's
that's how high her convictions are about this whole matter is
that she's still willing to, you know, do all this and say all
this given the circumstances. That's how strongly she feels.
Right, that she cares. Yes.
It's it's screwed up, but if you
ask me, but. That's her need to be light.
So deep down, even though she's appalled by things her mother is
saying, she wants her validation.
And after a while, he's got to be like, you know, one day she's
not going to be here and your dad won't be.
Her dad's no longer here. So, you know, you got to
validate yourself because I don't think you're going to get
what you want from Muzzy ever, which is.
Sad, Very sad. Yeah, just keep seeking
something. You're not going to get it.
But I mean, you just have to realize that you're not going to
get that and be able to be OK with that.
Be OK with people not liking you all the time.
Make peace. So I'm sure she's in therapy and
she's, you know, looking into all this.
But like, I hope she is because, you know, I think she seems to
be like a really good person and she doesn't need to seek that,
you know, violation from other people.
It's interesting that Bronwyn is choosing to make this part of
the show. Like she could have easily just
been like, you know, I'm not going to film around my mom.
Or well, I think I don't think it's strategic.
I think it this happened like, you know, she couldn't have
planned, you know, her dad's condition and bring him out from
California. But also, too, you know, Todd
isn't going to toggle film. Minimal though, yes.
But Todd's like, I'm not going to play into your hands, like
I'm not going to be able to watch what happens live.
I'm going to be, I just said the bare minimal just to like
support you in this endeavour. Todd should be a bartender on
Watch What Happens Live. Yes, never.
But yeah, the fact that Todd's like I, I'm going to be working
and then Gwen is like, I'm need to leave the house.
Going to our bowling league. Not just to, like, have sex with
my boyfriend because I don't, but also I don't want to be on
the show. Yeah.
So it's like Prom was looking
around, like, all right, mom, let's do this.
Yeah, no, I mean, I, I, I'm, we're not parents.
So I mean, we definitely don't have the, you know, ability to
speak on us Well, but I mean, I, I tend to believe I was raised
in the way that like my mom would rather know what was going
on than have to, you know, assume it's going on and never
actually have the answer. So I definitely agree with
Bronwyn on that. But I can also see the slightest
point from Muzzy about how like, you know, that doesn't work
though necessarily. Like, you know, they're not,
there's still going to be things they're not going to tell you,
right? But also to, yeah, it also leads
into Bronwyn saying she, you know, feels like she has isn't
done mothering and maybe she didn't do a great job.
And I feel like she has so much guilt and so much that she
places on her own shoulders, let alone what people think about
her. Yeah.
Like she's just gonna. That's just not a way to live
well. I mean, there's so much trauma
surrounding, you know her, you know life.
In the church. And everything coming up, I
mean, it'd be hard not to. But you know, at some point,
hopefully, yeah, she can let let some of it go.
Yeah. So.
Yeah, anyway. She's a great housewife and
she's a she's a really interesting person to get to
know better. Yeah, I, I think so, yeah.
I mean, it's again, the fact that I'm kind of want to meet
her siblings. I'm like, OK, I would not say
that about Stephanie on Miami. Oh, right.
Yeah.
Although now I kind of ever so much more do after that last
reunion episode. Well, she's OK with the 1 twin
or the 1 twin will appear next season.
Yeah, and it's like I have a message from the other twins.
She still doesn't like you. I.
Don't know we're starting about 1 twin will appear 1 twin won't
appear. It's sounding very soapy.
Is is she going to play them both?
Is. It going to be Kate Collins
sister. No, it's just one.
It's just, it's just Stephanie with the red hair and then one
has black hair, one has blonde hair.
Totally. And my sister.
Wouldn't that be that she's like, downright?
Like that was for real. You're like, whoa, we hired a
crazy house. She's just.
Three different personalities. What's with the wig?
What do you mean? I'm with Stephanie?
I'm Simone. Oh, we got to watch some soap
opera beyond the gates. So like, we're like, you know,
applauding and beyond the gates and like, talking it up and yes,
still watch it. It's just that I think five days
a week is a lot. It's a lot.
And it's like we're not teenagers anymore when we were
just like, you know. Well, and.
Multiple shows. And there's so many other shows
to watch. Now exactly.
Not like it was in the 90s where you had.
So many changes. Exactly.
And like, you know, you had yeah, you couldn't just watch
100 different thing or you could technically.
Like we have shows like we forget like we have, we have
streaming services that we forget that we have Apple that
we're like, Oh yeah, we should get back to that.
By the way, aside from that, The Lost Bus, Matthew McConaughey,
America Forever movie, there's going to be this Jerry Stiller
and Mira documentary on Apple like a five part docu series
with Ben Stiller. Yeah, it sounds.
So great A5 part Jerry Stiller and Mira documentary.
I'm really good. It's like, you know, because
it's like he did it with his sister, Amy Stiller.
So I'm sure that's about her family.
And they're going to get to like, you know how Ben Stiller
and Christine Taylor broke up for a while and they got back
together during Covic. And so I think it's like their
entire family and their whole they're like Ed Sullivan like 50
times or some such like that. That's crazy.
So. Well, I mean, I I look forward
to it, if only to make use of our Apple TV Plus subscription.
Yes, there's two things. We need to watch that.
And apparently you're kind of warm on the morning show now.
I could look into it, OK, because I just the fact that
it's in season 4, there'd be a good a good band should we like
really get into it. True, true, you know, but I
like, I love Reese, I love Jennifer.
So all. Right, Yeah, you seem very anti
morning show the first I. Was because it was seasons it
didn't seem appealing but now? It keeps winning things and it.
Doesn't really win things actually.
They both get nominee, but it doesn't actually win anything.
Right, because of that damn studio and shrinking, they keep
winning things. Not even shrinking.
Shrinking got a couple one or two things last year.
I got the globes. I think they got something.
Maybe, but again, a lot of nominations.
But yeah, it's it's yes. I think we're just, we're just
more HBO Max, Netflix people. And I think Apple's lower on
their totem pole. I think it's like for us, it's
like a tie between Netflix and HBO Max really more yeah, a tie.
And then after that would be Hulu and then Apple.
Oh, Prime and a Prime. Yeah, we haven't watched V
Generation V. That's been out.
That's been out for like a couple weeks.
Now we should start watching that.
Yeah, now that. Well, maybe.
Now the things are being done. Well, next.
Next week. Well, this week, yeah, yeah,
yeah. So once we get that, once we
like finish up the English teacher and we'll have some room
to have a series. Do you think every listener has
this problem? Right?
Yeah. He says there I sometimes think
I'm like, wait, what shows am I forgetting?
I mean that's how do people have time to rewatch Housewives.
Exactly I. Don't understand the rewatching.
Although it won't be rewatched, it'll be an actual watch.
We should watch just that. That one, that Hampton strip.
That's Wendy was telling us about.
Yes, and we get into the whole the alleged Adriana Julia thing.
That should be our our homework for the Miami episodes.
We need to watch that one so we have some more.
Contacts in preparation maybe tomorrow, right, we just put it
but it's like maybe two or three parts yeah, big trip probably of
the season so we will do that and then we're ready for when we
record the episode probably Friday but.
I don't know. Remember we just mentioned we
have all those other shows to watch.
So I mean old Miami episode, right?
But. It gives us context as we were
wrapping up the season on Miami, which I'm glad that it's
wrapping up again with me. By the time I get to ring, I'm
like, let's get done with this. Yes, I.
Agree and bring Beverly Hills back into our lives.
I agree. Yeah.
You know, we are really awful at not mentioning the good stuff.
We didn't bring up the good stuff at the beginning of the
episodes, for instance. About our.
Our yeah, like you know, cuz this podcast or if yeah, yeah,
this is our first one of ours back, you know, cuz we did one
with we wine whatever, which just posted today.
So that's the Miami reunion. But then we did the premiere of
Potomac with Festi approved. So if you're wondering why there
is an epidemic episode that will come out and it's we're on Vesti
Approves podcast. Love them.
Such a fun time. Yes, we like just it's such a
great vibe and like just talking of Potomac and like other things
and yeah, they're just so funny. Yeah, so funny and like easy to
talk to and we really enjoy them.
Yeah, yeah. And then Emma is like a little
bit quiet, it seems sometimes. But then, yeah.
And you're just like, you're like, whoa, was not expecting
that. So no, it was definitely.
And it's one of those things like when it's just my, it's a
bias I have for sure of like when people are quiet but like
that, they choose very carefully what they're going to say so
that when they do, you're like, oh shit.
She got. Me, yeah.
And that's definitely, I think one of one of her good qualities
too. I like the Travis, you know
challenges us with, you know other another point of view that
we're just like what okay, okay, that's valid, that's valid you
like her. I get it.
Okay, yes, you know, it's just like he feels very strong about
his. Opinions and I think.
I think we need to do one more collab with them before he's
just going to. We're going to lay into each
other. I think it's just going to be
like, how do you like her? Well, I was really like holding
back. I'm like, oh, you're talking
about Teddy. Oh, gosh.
Achilles heel. Achilles heel.
But I, I it was funny, though. Anybody else, I would be like,
look, or I'd be like, Teddy. Here's the thing.
Yeah. So, but no, we're very, very
thankful for everyone who's reached out and we, you know,
we've been able to make these collabs happen.
It's a fun time getting to know more people in the podcast and
community in this wonderful Housewives community as well.
So you know, it's, it's, it's been a good time.
So. But I'm glad to be back doing
our own, even if we're tired as hell and hot.
Cranky. Yeah, why is this loft so damn
hot? So hot.
Who do you? Who are you saying is cranky?
I'm sorry. I was cranky.
I was cranky too. Yeah, I'm sorry, I was cranky
earlier. No saying you also, I love you
too. And you drop the mic, stand on
your foot. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, if we just done this in the beginning of the episode, we
could have had our Kumbaya moment, right?
It's just like Heather wanted. Yeah.
Then you know, then tomorrow I'll then mow you $600.
Out of our joint account. Yeah, actually the car payments
do, so I need you to. I need to send that to you, Yes,
yes. So what else now?
I'm kidding. The life of a married couple.
Can you send me the car money? Thank you very.
Much I'm like, did I just do the Amex then we just do the more
we. Did I know?
Also, we got to talk about buying a new car.
I I know I keep coming and going on this, but the smoke, blue
smoke came out of the exhaust pipe the other day.
And wait, what? Yeah.
I mean now on on the. Because I was, I had so many
high hopes for my day off today. I actually thought I might like
go to one of the dealerships and like work out a deal and but
just not finalize it. Without.
Me. Yeah, just basically find out
like how much like that one we would both like it or something
in that price range. What can you do for us?
And then I just have it all ready to go and then talk to you
about it and then we just go in and sign and stuff like you're
Teresa Judai, so just have you sign that thing.
Nothing and bad will happen at all.
Well as I've said before, like I guess I will give it a curse or
a glance and be like OK OK. But like most anything I my
husband puts it in front of me. I will decide it and be like
this is fine. Well, and half the things Notary
puts it in front of you, you're just like, OK, I'll sign there.
Well, yeah, when we bought the house, it was like, I guess this
is OK. I mean, they wouldn't sell us
wrong. I know, right?
I mean, they're a notary. They're not supposed to lie,
right? You know.
Well, there he doesn't give a crap.
They're always like, I've just been brought here to have you do
this. You know, I don't know what's in
there. I don't know how if you're going
to be horse swindled. Horse swaggled.
Horn swaggled. Horn swaggled.
Anyways, now he's using old timey language Angie.
Sometimes it works, but no, maybe this Sunday we will go and
look at cars. We should.
There's nothing else going on. I don't want to, I don't want to
don't want to start over on car payments like that's just, but
same time I just don't want to pay for the maintenance on this
car as it gets older. Yeah, and I think, you know, if
it was the right 'cause I have a hard time letting go of things.
I'm nostalgic and also it's a really pretty and for the most
part like durable car. But if we're going to run into
issues with it down the line, then I can let it go.
But it's also first call we brought back together, yadda
yadda yadda. So it's hard to let that go, but
also doesn't make sense to have like 3 cars.
So if we well. We'd get rid of red car, right?
Right, it's a whole. See this is our.
Problem. You don't get, I know, but this
is our problem is that we keep going, we keep talking ourselves
in and out of getting a new car. We just.
Need it's just a lot to start over when we made so much
progress in three years now paying off this credit card and
you know but we want to have a reliable car is.
That's the important thing. That's because.
We live in. California, we need to drive all
the time. Exactly, exactly so.
Let's bring it back. Oh yeah, Lake.
Cars, because they're everyone's, they like, they like
parking. This would be parking.
I thought my dad will always like do this.
Do like weird like he's? Driving a bus and he would
silence as he like. Yeah, my mom would avoid
parallel parking at all costs, which is why once I learned how
to drive, she'd have me do it. And which is why she's a good
parallel parking. Really good parallel parking,
yeah. But it's also one of those
things, you know, when your parents are like really, really,
really one way and you're just like, I'm never to be like that.
I made sure I could parallel park because she was, we can't
go there. Why we have to parallel park.
And I was just like. Well, I get really, you know,
driving in the city, like just kind of tense.
Like I, I, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get a good
space. And then like, oh, I got
parallel park and the pressure of like having people behind you
and, you know, just like, I don't want to like, yeah, I
shouldn't try it. I'll I'll find something else.
The one thing that's the worst in San Francisco is when you
have to park on the left side of a one way St. because you're so
used to parking parallel parking on the right.
When you have to do on the left, you're like what the hell?
It's just really I would couldn't be able to, couldn't do
it. I think the car that we're
looking at has an actual parallel parking assist
function. Well, we have an assist function
too. It's called a backup Cam.
No, but there's one more like I think you press a button and it
does the thing. It parks it for you, yeah.
Wouldn't that be nice? It would be, I would not that
may like drive it to the city all the time.
I know, but we're we will end up testing that out thoroughly
because I don't trust the fact that they would actually do it,
but apparently it does. It's like cruise control but for
like parallel. Parks, yes, it's just crazy.
And I'll tell you the only reason I want a new car is I
want to have a memory button for the seat position.
That's really what I want. I've always wanted one and.
The dual charger, apparently, and the moon roof that we're
never going to use. I, we will.
We will someday, So anyway, we should move on.
Because we talked about all the women I.
Think we have, Yeah. I think we were a little bit
heavy or hard on some of them because we were a little bit
cranky at the start of the podcast.
Who listen? Yeah, a little bit.
You know, she got to a good place finally.
So I I applaud her for that, for actually taking accountability
and apologizing. So I'm OK with her.
I'm sure next episode will be a different case.
Yeah, in this moment, in this space, I'm OK with her.
Yeah, yeah. That's all I can give.
OK, that's all. You know what?
I'm glad that's progress. You know, you and Lisa are in a
good place for now. For now.
Just like everyone. Yeah.
Although then when I point out that she, you know, did that
whole thing to Angie, just forget.
Forget Lisa. I don't like her.
Take your product. Take your Moon Wolf, your Wolfie
Stone Wolfie, whatever. Red Riding Hood and the wolf.
I don't. Care and we'll talk about it
next time. Till next time.