Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott and I'm Jeff, and we just watched an episode of The
Real Housewives of Orange County.
Yes, the penultimate episode of. The penultimate it has.
We do love a penultimate. Yes, they were in Amsterdam.
Day 2. Day 2, apparently of a million
days. When you heard Emily, you'd be
like, I'll be home in three days.
It's like, are you counting the travel days?
Because I'm sure it takes a lot of time to get to Amsterdam and
maybe it might take a. A detour somewhere?
Yeah, because Shannon was saying that she was going to detour to
London or Paris to see her daughter, so maybe Emily's going
with her or some such. Maybe, perhaps, yeah, yeah, As
I, I was going to say, I do want to call it Amsterdam because I
just enjoy doing that all the time.
So I was trying to figure out where they were staying in.
Comparison. All right, if you're listening
to this episode, you already knew what We just figured out
the name of this episode on our podcast.
Damn, Gina. No.
Amsterdam. Damn, Gina got it.
Because Gina. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was unconsciously story shit in this one.
He was like, I'm living the story or I'm just falling down.
Right, I'm debating whether to just pick a new theme song for a
temporary theme song from our but I I don't want to.
I can't trust the music library from our platform.
No, and we have not heard back from our platform.
No, and that's making me nervous too.
Yeah. So they're like trying to figure
out what's going to happen. Or or.
My other worry is that there's just no one working there.
They're just like, whatever, hey, keep going.
We're on fall break. Yeah, I did.
I mean, we haven't noticed any other episodes being pulled, so
you know that that would be good if we see one drop off from.
But when I don't want to risk, I don't want to risk another one
dropping off, then I have to re edit crap.
So I'm just we're going to go music lists for now.
Did you actually listen to the last episode?
I didn't. I haven't.
I don't do it very often. Unless you're in the car with me
and I make you. Yeah, not make you I just like I
just I'm not usually when I'm by myself, I'm usually reading or I
can't do it Maybe tomorrow when I'm working from home I can
listen to because that's why I listen to the podcast typically
because I think they would frown upon it in my office, but he.
Won't use headphones, that's why.
Well, I don't want to be like, you know, I can't imagine my
former Co worker would like have headphones in and probably maybe
listening to music or maybe a podcast.
And it's like, you gotta like, take them out, answer the phone
and, you know, yeah, I'm just, yeah, I think if I'm a solitary
office podcast listener. So I need to be in the Home
Office, being the office in our home.
Not your off, not your. Not my works Home Office.
No, no, no. Yeah, my work is one of those
companies that they work. This was before it was all like
a red flag of a toxic work environment when they're like,
you know, we're like a family here.
That's why we call it the Home Office.
It's like our home, Yes. And then a few years later,
there weren't like that whole all those memes started up about
like when you work somewhere and they call it, you say you're a
family. That's a red flag.
So it's a dysfunctional family. Yes, they have stopped saying so
much that we're a family. I think also because they
realize it's a little patronizing, I think after.
Well, it's like we're a much smaller company than your
company where I work and we've never, they've never said that.
I think we're just like we're more like we're chill and we're
more laid back, but it's never like we're a family.
We don't kumbaya, we don't do team building exercises in the
escape room. We should maybe try doing that.
Well, that wasn't the whole company.
That was just our department. So.
And I think that's because, you know, Ken, he was in town.
So yeah, anyway. Oh goodness.
OK, so housewife, where did it start?
Crap, now that you said that, sure, go ahead.
It's Day 2 in Amsterdam. They're waking up.
Shannon is a little bit having a after the space cake day and
trying to. Little come down, little pot
hangover. Will come down spilling her.
Was that wine juice? It looked.
Like or was this grape juice? It could have been tea.
I don't think it was great. It was very.
Dark. It was very dark, so maybe it
was Coke a cola. Could have been Coca-Cola, yes.
Yeah. But I did because.
She like spilled her. She's like, really I?
Didn't see, I thought it was wine because it looked a little
purpley. But like, who was wine like that
Urban that? Was my confusion as well, but
unless their time zones were still off I don't know.
Yeah, but you're not in Italy, you're in hamster.
Now I know, right? So yeah, they're basically like
recovering from the day. And then they were gonna, oh,
they went to the tulips, right? Yeah, they ultimately went to
the tulips, yes. So it was them doing their hair
and getting ready and stuff like that.
Right. Without any.
I don't think anyone brought glam.
No, I don't think they did either.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because it was funny that Gina had that line about you find me
a Q-tip and Emily was like, you expect me to find a Q-tip and
this disaster Aries. There are no Q-tips.
It was interesting seeing them kind of doing their own hair and
then like, I think they all came out pretty well, you know?
Well, except for Shannon. I think she's always going to be
challenged, but she's not a beautician, you know?
Right, right. So I think she's like a person
who's just used to having glam do it for her.
So yeah, yeah, yeah. It was.
She was thinking it came before the tulips.
It was really straight to the tulips, right?
You know, I think we're missing. Something but it got to the
lobby and it was like because they weren't really rehashing
the previous day because something really happened big in
day one except the the red light thing.
Oh, OK, there we're I know where we're going.
OK all. Right.
Thanks. Thank you.
God, you're here. So they're towing through the
tulips. Oh, Gina and Heather do
mushrooms. Yes, they do.
They can't brand some colors. See how we call her?
That's true. Heather, like, being so like,
pro drug just because she's in Amsterdam is really amusing to
me. Yeah, She's like, I want to see
colors. Let's do some shrimp.
Sheena I mean, if there's ever a time to to see colors, it's it's
definitely there with the flowers and stuff.
I always think the only other place that might be fun would be
like if you were to go see the foliage change, like see the
fall leaves somewhere, that'd be cool.
But the. Thing is that when Heather's not
being highfalutin Heather or Fancy Pants, she can actually be
really a good time. You know, it's kind of like
people are saying you're not fun, you know?
Aside from her, like many years as a sitcom actress.
Shout out. Shout out.
She's not funny. Well, they kind of go hand in
hand. Yeah, that's very funny.
But. Shout out to who?
I ruin your joke. Heather Yeah, thanks.
Sorry, I was trying to say it and you're like, step, step.
Let me step on that joke. Yeah.
Shout out to Heather Paige Kent. Oh, yeah.
When she was a comedic actress. So no, they do the tulips.
It was very pretty that definitely I would go there and
then. Apparently it was really hot.
It did not convey to me how hot it was.
Yes, so oh, you're right, they did go straight to the tulips,
because then they did a weird little hot tub canal thing.
Which weird, it's so hot, why are you in a hot tub?
But we'll. I think just so it's not cold.
I mean, they probably let it get lukewarm.
I don't know, but but yeah, it was very pretty.
Yes, and Gina was really concerned about the friendship
of Jen and Shannon with the cloud of Alexis looming over
them. And it's just this whole I laugh
because I just know Alexis doesn't have so much to say
about it. That's the focus I listened to
for a bit. Whenever I'm like by myself.
And it's just her and Carlos. Just.
Alexis has a podcast. No, she she guessed she recaps
OC with Carlos King. I didn't know.
That and like she's having a field day lately 'cause they
keep talking about her, okay? And she's just so offended by
Jen not claiming. Her Why is this the first time
I'm hearing about you listening to the Carlos King recaps with
Alexis? I don't listen to the entire
thing. I'll just usually like maybe see
a clip and then maybe I'll, maybe I might listen to it.
I'll see, I'll see a clip on Instagram, which maybe, maybe
Alexis is a lot. Yeah, as I say, this explains
why you could tolerate that two TS episode way more than I.
Like, I still am good. I'm in a good.
I don't know about Jen, but I'm in a good place with Alexis and
I enjoy her to a certain extent, but she also gets really hyped
up. She's very frantic.
Yes, yes. It's like a frenzy to get to get
the thoughts out. And I'm like, girl, yeah, dial
it down, dial it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of like what Emily was asking of Gina.
Just dial it down. Quit.
Well, at least when Gina had an excuse.
Those drugging dude. Yeah, Alexis, that's just
normal. That's just Tuesday.
Yeah, that's true. But this whole idea of like you
can't be friends with Alexis or like you're hurting me if you're
friends with Alexis and Jin got so like hyped up.
Like what do you mean Shannon? Like she's been nothing but good
to me. That's like, why are you
throwing down for just because you're confronted it?
Seemed like because. That flashback at Tamara's party
when she said, you know what, Shannon, I wouldn't go because,
you know, that could do something to us.
Like she was very resigned in that moment.
But then the second Gina challenges her and says, what's
this deal for you and Alexis? She's like, what do you mean?
How dare you search her name. I mean, Gina, Gina did kind of
set things up in a very messy way to not only say that like
she's is friends with Alexis that Jenna is, but also that all
the nice things that Shannon just did for her, Jen thought
were ridiculous. Yes.
Which was really harsh. That was really harsh because
that's hurting Shannon more than Jen.
I know. And then like, I like, I know
they showed us those scenes of like Jen and Gina kind of being
like acting confused. Like I don't even know why she's
throwing me this party because I don't even have a wedding date
yet. Exactly.
But it's still, I don't know. It seems very clear to me, well,
that Shannon just wanted to do something nice, whether it made
her feel better or it actually made Jen feel good.
Either way, it was a nice. I feel like she was like
celebrating this new blossoming friendship, this closeness with
Jen and that, you know, came out as well.
You don't may not have a date, but let's just throw a party for
your days because I I really like you more now than I did
last season. But I think for sure the whole
housewives of it all makes it difficult because they're like,
well, this seems phony. So is she really doing this to
be my friend or is she just doing it for her for some other
reason? I can see how, Oh yeah, to make
camera, you know, pissy or whatever.
So I can see how there's some, you know, second guessing about
the reasons behind it, But at the same time, I feel like at
the end of the day, like they it seemed like a fine event.
And if they had fun at the time and they didn't think twice
about it after the fact, then why are they thinking twice
about it now? And.
Like it wasn't like full on shower.
Like they weren't, there weren't gifts, right?
Right. There weren't games.
There's Just Like It was a nice luncheon to celebrate your
ongoing engagements. Well, there is all that advice
that she got, all that sound advice.
Right, so sound, Yes, so sound like sounding.
No, that's not good advice. I don't know why.
I was wondering why you were going to even.
I knew you were going to do something like that.
I was like, no, why? I don't get where that's going.
No, I don't know. That's what Ryan deserves.
I. Don't know?
Goodness. I kid, I kid.
But yeah, it was a kind of like a pile on of Shannon.
And, you know, she was just like, wait, what?
I thought we were cool. And not only are you like, still
friends with Alexis, but you also think my party was crap.
And I think if Jenna just explained it as I it felt
awkward to me being celebrated because that's not what I do
normally. It's my second wedding and, you
know, I'm just, you know, we're still trying to figure out even
a date to get married and it just seemed out of nowhere.
But I appreciate the gesture, but it wasn't something that I
would have thought of to do for myself.
I mean, it seems clear to me that if ever I were to be, if I
were ever reborn a housewife of any county, I would need to make
sure that I beat people to the punch.
They're like, if I ever say anything, even just in a train
of thought, that I make sure that I just repeat it to
whomever it was about. Totally, totally.
I would. I mean, I have a decent memory,
you know, fairly good. And I would just be like, OK, I
said that to Emily. Now I have to make sure I say it
to Shannon. Right.
Exactly. Yeah, on camera, right.
Or at least like if I feel like maybe I said something shady
behind someone's back, I need to be like, kind of like what Emily
did with Tamara of just like, hey, just so you know, I said
that I didn't cure the most trustworthy person.
That's right. Thanks.
Though she was getting out of it, yes.
You know, so because I think that's where it's bad because
because then Gina took something that was, I think, genuinely
very innocent of just saying, yeah, like, I'm a little
confused. Like, you know, she didn't, I
didn't ask for this, but she threw it for me.
It's nice, I guess. But why, you know, and turned
into this whole like Shannon's doing something fake, you know,
and I. And also that Jen thought it was
crap and it was like that wasn't the that was.
So that's where I agree that Jen was like, I never said it was
ridiculous. Yeah.
And she, you know, she didn't. She rolled her eyes that maybe
it was a little bit over the top, but like.
So what? Who cared, right?
It wasn't. Yeah, So what?
So what? Who cares?
Yeah, she wasn't shitting on it, exactly.
So I can I can see that. Yeah, yeah.
And then, like preaching to the segue.
I had a really tough year. Where was my party?
Basically, it was like, ask your best friend Emily.
What? Where was that?
Where that was was was that Beverly Hills?
Someone was just. Oh, Erica was like, where's my
pizza party? Yeah, and.
Then they threw her. They threw her party.
That was cute. I like that they.
Took her to Chuck E Cheese. Yeah, it was nice.
Yeah, that's kind of what yeah Gina was doing.
Like, I survived so much and, you know, Travis and I are back
together and their kids are back together and where's my party,
essentially? Well, you need to make it more
of your storyline. I mean, make it more.
That's The thing is, I think with Gina and even with Emily to
a point, I think when they do have storylines, they just seem
so casual about them, even when they're like about serious
things, like just Gina comes off as though everything, you know,
everything be fine. You know, like, you know, Travis
and I moved. We don't live together anymore.
He moved out like that one season.
But she was still like, it's a bummer, but.
What she's trying sometimes, but it wasn't like they're not super
dramatic people, right in that way.
So I think that's what kind of goes against them in that
they're not like they don't get the attention that the high
maintenance oh. Like Shannon and Tam, right,
Right. They don't scream enough, so
they don't get the the main, the the maintenance totally.
So I don't get more coffee. Drink up, buttercup.
I just wanted to say that I don't know Tulip.
Yeah, my peas stay out of that. Onto the hot tub, Yes, which was
sorry. Are you dying?
Can you please not? No, absolutely I don't.
Know got a little froggy in your throat, Got to get that out of
there. Little Kermit.
All right. So they get to the hot tub on
the boat. I'm sorry, I'm thinking now of
the Kermit remark. I was like, I know there's a
really, really crude Miss Piggy joke about, yes, having a little
frog in her throat or something, but I I can't.
I'll figure out that punch line later.
University said it, yeah. Yeah, I think so.
Anyway, they get they get back to the canal and they end up
getting in their hot tubs, which to me looked like those little
bumper boats at the fair. And I was like, I don't know
that I want to be driving around in one of those in a canal.
In a canal when like literally Shannon was just like, yeah. 11
foot. Up here and just like I'm going
to the a man in the boat and it's like, but you're going to
fall out of the boat. I you're not the most, you know,
flexible person who and you're very danger prone.
Drink more water, go more pot. You just cough this.
We'll edit this out. Yes.
So yeah, I wouldn't trust myself in a bumper boat on the canal.
Nor would I do with a boom operator and a cameraman.
And then that was confusing me because there was definitely a
full boat with five people on each thing.
And then they would show shots without the cameraman in it.
And in my head, I was like, how do they disappear?
Like, it even took me to way longer than it should have been.
Like, oh, they went back and filmed some shots of them
floating down the river without the camera people.
There are like 3 or 4 boats it seemed like, yeah. 3 or 4 boats.
Like the two that they were in and like there was one next to
them. Try like capture.
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, capture some of the drama
too, Yeah. Yeah.
And with it being that hot out as because they were all saying
it was so hot, I'm having trouble comprehending that
because the one time I was in Amsterdam, it was like winter.
So I'm like, I can't imagine being there when it's hot, but I
guess it gets hot. That's what you deal with.
The tulips are. Yeah, I suppose that's what
makes the the tulips bloom. So sorry, I just wanted to make
a voice. There's not the yeah.
Stop. So I did think, Oh no, I don't
want to watch this when Emily was like, I'm going to give it
one more try. And I I have to say, I think
that went better than I was expecting.
Yes, you and I were both the entire time up to the very end.
We're just like Tamra, just stop talking.
Don't say anything. Just let her say what she needs
to say and then you know you can get out of the boat.
Yeah, even if it's a load of BS, which I feel like it kind of
was. And which wire in the boat or at
the end? Both of it, yes.
All of it, Yes. Anything out of her mouth.
Yes, yeah, a slight discussion too.
It's like, Oh yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah, I think that was so
when you when? Well, what exactly was said on
the boat? Do you remember what?
So basically she was saying, you know, I'm sorry if basically
there's a I'm sorry that I hurt you.
I'm sorry that I like regressed. I started they said, you know,
so the things about you and the musician.
I think it was like a blanket like I'm sorry for like going
back from our, you know, our beach truth.
Yes, exactly, exactly. Got it.
I enjoyed and I was like, again, I almost thought it was going to
fall apart when Tamara was like, I don't talk about you, you're
not relevant. Exactly.
I thought I was like, OK, well, we're done.
It's. Just like the bad phrasing, Like
really bad phrasing. But because what she was trying
to say, of course, was I. I haven't been, I haven't been
spending these last 18 years talking about our feud.
It only comes up when you're like, you bring it up like I'm
not looking for ways to actively, you know, hurt you,
right? It's just that you bringing it
to my doorstep and then I have to like say something, whether
it be on camera or on the pod or whatever.
But she's not intentionally trying to ruin Gretchen's life.
She's just talk tired of the whole conversation, right?
Like I think Gretchen left the show and Tamara was done with
her right, But Gretch, but Gretchen keep kept talking about
it before she got back to the show.
And then when she gets back to the show, it's all she can talk
about, right? So therefore, when you see that
conversation with Gretchen Slade and he's like, you know, there's
hurt on both sides and and if she's willing to let it go, you
know, you should. I'm like, this is such bullshit.
You were taking a different track because you know what's
work we were doing isn't working.
Well, do you know, I just realized what he was saying if I
read between those lines. Yeah, he was saying if she's
willing to let it go and not remember or harp on the fact
that we accused her of drugging, then maybe we should just let
this go. Yes, maybe we should just
swallow all of our plans and just let this one go off and.
If she's not going to either, like, you know, complain to
Bravo, actively sue us, yeah, we should let this die down and say
it was a slip of the tongue, right?
She never said it. I I don't.
Or just call Katie a liar. That's what they're, Yeah.
I'm sure it was what I don't understand.
And and if we're jumping ahead, what did anything else happen in
the other boat? Nothing really happened to the
other. Just Shannon being drunk and
like, Shannon and Jen, like kind of making peace.
And you know, I'm sorry if you know, that hurt you kind of
thing, OK. Because what I don't understand
is, and I think that's what I don't know that any of the women
did, what happened between Gretchen leaving and being like,
OK and then going into the her room and like, what made her cry
and crying like. I think and I don't know if it
was January or not but she did seem like really she was very
quiet most of the day except when she was making content.
Side note, does she really make that much off of content?
Is like she an influencer? I don't follow her so I don't
know. I could check to see how they
follow her. She has but is that like she
says she's like 6 businesses? I mean, yeah, she must I.
Guess anyone could do it that. Just do a lot.
I mean, it's just sometimes it's just quantity, quantity,
quantity and like always going and just throwing.
A niche. Yeah.
And seeing what sticks and maybe she's doing different content
that can be reused for her different businesses and, you
know. 20% off yeah. Gretchen, 20.
I wish we'd hear more of that kind of locker room talk.
So to Yeah, Dallas wives likes fun.
And shame. Like, yeah, Gretchen's doing
content again. Yeah.
And just to hear them being like, cuz it's a bit of a fourth
wall break, but I don't think really where they're just like
20% off Gretchen. And especially if that's like,
if she's doing it enough where the women are kind of making
jokes or kind of slightly trolling her behind the scenes,
like it's happening enough where it's it's got to be part of her,
you know, everyday thing like, oh, great, here comes the
Gretchen. We're gonna have to pause and
let her do a, you know, an ad placement.
Well, if you're like, I'm sorry, if you're an influencer, then
you're constantly making content.
So if you're a content creator, that's how you make money.
So Slate ain't bringing in a. So don't say that you're going
to start an 18 year old feud with with Gretchen.
It'll go on. Forever.
But yeah, I know. So yeah, she's very quiet.
Like before the boat and the tulips and the boat.
And I think she was just so like resigned to be like, OK,
whenever or she was acting. Either it's like, I'm very
resigned to like, I'm sorry, I don't want to fight anymore.
This is so tiresome. Or she was just taking a
different, she's moving different because what was she
was doing wasn't working with Tamara.
So I don't know, like the tears, she did seem really downtrodden
by the time she got to dinner and like when she was crying
with Jen. But it's that's the thing.
It's like when you have somebody who has constantly lied.
It's hard to see, are you actually telling the truth here,
right? Is this real emotion?
Are you doing it for the cameras?
I don't know. Part of it reads to me that
perhaps, and I'm trying to think the best out of people as we
talked in the car, I don't want to like talk about what I don't
like about people. I think sometimes we can get a
little too negative. But I just don't want to give
the benefit of the doubt to Gretchen necessarily.
But if I'm going to start doing that, I feel as though she may
not believe anything that she was telling Tamra.
I think she really feels that Tamara is not a good person,
that like Tamara has been out to get her and slayed every day of
her life since she left the show, and that Tamara has caused
irreparable harm to the two of them.
And so I think Gretchen agreeing to let it go is just really
rubbing her the wrong, wrong way.
It's like her instincts are saying don't do that, and yet
she's trying to do it. And I think that's what's going
on. Is that her conscience?
Oh, she's fighting with like, this is what?
This is all I know or all I've ever felt about Tamara.
And but I should feel differently because I want to
move on and I want to place on the show and this is all about
conflict resolution. But it's like she's hurt me so
much I can't let it go. I think it's the way it is.
Like she feels so hurt and is so in her mind, traumatized by the
experience she's had with Tamara.
She cannot. It's in her core now.
Yeah, she can't let it go. And I think being on the show
and having to encounter Tamara and having this really, like,
brought up because I don't think honestly, like she and Slater
talking about this every day. Of course she got to the show.
I hope not. Yeah, before she came back to
the show. But I think it's like, it's
really like it's in her face. It's like can.
You imagine? Honey, can you hand me that ugly
bow? Oh, also, Tamara's a bitch.
Oh, thanks. All right, now.
Now a giant headband. OK, Do I look good?
Tamara's dumb. Higher hair, higher hair.
All right, More pink. Yeah.
Tamara's the devil. Let's pray for her.
I'll tell. You.
I know I really wanted to toss out the C word on that one just
for effect. But I thought you were about to
do it. I was like, Oh no, not next
Tuesday. No, not next Tuesday.
No, but no, I mean. It's like she.
Lived with it for so long that like she can't let go of it.
I mean it's like it's like when you just get so comfortable
hating somebody. There's no other way around it.
It's like it's just part of your everyday of like the fact that
my truth in my head is that person is bad.
And then it turn around and like find yourself saying the
opposite, like maybe he's not all bad and maybe I could get be
friends with her. It just it's got to really
screw. Well, we what she even said, you
know, like if the preacher said, like, do you have hopes for
like, you know, of this going well, Tamra moving forward and
she's like, no, if she didn't like change when she accepted
Jesus Christ into her heart, like how's she ever going to
change? And I'm like, why are you even
going there? You know, I just, it just, she
just can't help her. Let's see what that it all comes
down to though. I think the fact that Gretchen
won't even admit that there's even a possibility that Slade
has been a neglectful father in any way sense of the word.
Like in Gretchen's mind, that like the things Tamara said
about Slade are just patently false, right?
And they can't. Can't even.
She hasn't even let on or acknowledge that there may be a
world where Slade should have done or could have done more for
his children. Although if she truly, truly
believed that, then she would be married to Slade.
Well, there's probably medic or financial reasons she's not
married. But I'm saying it's like you're
like, you know who he is. Yeah.
You know that there is this debt.
It's not like make believe, right, Because otherwise you
would be, you know, biblically, man.
Biblically. Oh, we'll get.
Oh, yeah, we'll get there. Yeah.
So I mean, yeah, you're right. Absolutely.
It's just. I just, I just, you know, having
said all that, I just when she finally joined them at the
table, I wish that Tamara had just been like, again, OK, sure,
OK, you know, let's try again. But she was just so like, no,
like so adamant of like, I can't move forward.
And it's like, you're finally on a bit of a high, Tamara, and she
is down low. Like you can't keep beating her.
Then you seem like the asshole for beating this woman down when
she's like physically drained. I mean, I thought.
Whether it's an act or not, like just you kind of gotta be like,
okay, what out Wes, what's going on the table?
I'm surprised Tamara kept it together as much as she did.
Like I thought she was gonna fly off the handle again and quit
five more times. I honestly did.
I think she's over the quitting. I believe that.
But so I'm happy that she didn't just unload on Gretchen and like
start a whole new thing. But I think she was warranted in
saying what she said about saying how come you're like, my
problem is you said we were past it and then you went ahead and
did all this stuff. And then if you were past it and
you did all this stuff, even if you were over it, then what were
you trying to confront me about at the cowboy party, right?
Exactly what was the point of that?
So it's like. Clearly you weren't letting it
go because you had an opportunity to let it go and
then you chose to keep going. Or then in one breath at that
self-defense lunch when you said, you know, I'm sorry for
bringing up the whole thing with the musician, but then you, you
know, then you flip. You're like, I have so many
things I can say about you, right?
Like they say like don't, don't you, you know, make me say those
things that I can say that I'm not going to say right now.
Typical housewife. It's just so like back and forth
with Gretchen and and I think that's why she's not a good, a
good housewife or a good friend of, you know, yes, So yeah.
I'm sure it's a little more complicated than that.
I'm sure we're also seeing a very tailored version of her,
either by the editors or Gretchen or both.
Yeah, but she gave them only so much to work with and she came
back. Yeah, true.
We've we talked about true out of an item.
So very true. And then apparently the big
bump. So this is what I.
Well, there's more before the big bomb.
Is there more before the big bomb?
Well, the next weeks. Truly the big bombs.
For sure. I mean, they they went to the
mall. Oh yeah.
To the food court, Shannon and and and Jen did some
synchronized dancing. Which was weird.
I I feel so embarrassed sometimes when people are loud
in Europe and I'm just like, oh, how American can you be?
So not the European way. Yeah, I know.
It's like, then people are just staring.
You nearly knocked that girl's plate out of her hand.
And Shannon, it was crazy. Oh, my God.
I was trying to get by trying to eat.
Trying to matter, Owen Tamara nicely told Jen.
There's a story about you owing money.
Send it to her face. Like, I just want you to know,
here's a story about a lovely lady who was on her yoga studio.
Well, and I thought that was interesting too, because again,
this is just shows how delivery matters, because she could have
just been like, well, I don't know, I saw somebody that said
you or da da da da, but she said, Hey, you know, just so you
know, as part of I heart, we get all these notifications and
things that we're going to talk about on the show, And this is
one of the things that I got sent like was it what's going
on? So she didn't bring it to Jen of
like, you're still being horrible.
You don't pay your bills. What she could have used?
Or she didn't drop it at dinner, like, so I heard this thing, you
know, it was like. Right.
So she saw it. She turned to Jen.
This is what I saw. Is this true?
Jenna could explain herself. She's said this before about the
whole issue with the yoga studio and whatever.
Which is it still running the yoga studio?
I don't. Know.
I don't know. I don't know either.
I don't even know remember the name of it.
It's cut Yoga. Not got yoga?
So. But I think that yeah, now we.
Can get Yeah, yeah. So the whole bombshell is.
So this one I feel bad about is that clearly it's one of these
things that's going to fall in the space between.
So Tamra has agreed already to like, put it behind her, but
she's already opened the can of worms by showing Gina that.
Because she she showed Gina that way before the trip, right?
And then Gina shared it with Emily on the trip before we got
to the food court dinner of we're OK.
Right now, Now that I will say, feels as though that's planned
like that. Gino was like, oh, I'm going to
bring this up to Emily in Amsterdam because there's no way
like a week or two went by where she's like, I just can't stop
thinking about that post. She was really like, I'm so
concerned about it. And Emily's saying, you know, I
too feel a certain way about her now.
I can't stop thinking about that post.
And so the fact that like, Tamara showed that to Gina, and
then now Gina's showing it to Emily, I feel like the three of
them were just like, I know how we're going to take care of
Gretchen. This is how we're going to do
it. And then how, if it's what we
think it is, are any of them surprised?
How on earth? You know her social media
presence, You know. She's extremely conservative,
Yes, you know that. She they're.
Religious. Yes, you know that she's MAGA.
You know that she is all of those things and and probably
follows a bunch of people and not that they aren't themselves
some of them. That's perfect, too.
That's the other layer of it, yes, you know.
So it's like so I mean, unless the post, I mean, I don't know
the exact post that they're they're talking about.
I've. Only heard about the post I've
seen it like on Reddit they've talked about.
The post OK, so I mean unless you don't need to.
There's many. I don't know the exact one, but
there's been many things that they pointed out that she liked
or commented on that was very problematic, right?
Yes, I mean, did she like like a Martina Navratilova post?
I mean, is that what's going on They.
Did a collab. They did a clip probably, yeah.
So I mean that's confusing me as to why they would be shocked
that she might support what I'm assuming is an anti LGBTQ or
anti trans post. Because for Heather to get that
upset in the preview, it's clearly something about her
children and their relation with the queer community.
Yeah. And for them to say, I don't
want to tell Heather, but I want to tell Heather, that's the
person who would most affect because she.
Yes. Yeah.
And so again, why that would be surprising for any for them to
think that Gretchen would be involved in social media that is
anti-gay or just less than pro gay, right, You know, is
surprising to me, especially when they themselves, I mean,
unless they're going to, unless if we had like an honest
conversation with all the Real Housewives of Orange County, if
the conservative ones were to be like, oh, no, I just vote
fiscally. Like I just voted for Trump for
the money. Like I, you know his So I don't
agree with his social policies like.
And I just couldn't get behind Kamala.
Yeah. Yeah, which is probably their
other answer. Yeah.
Or they're like, you know, I wanted gas prices cheaper.
It's like. I wanted eggs are just too high.
It can't too high, Luke. Can't eat his eggs.
So what do you want me to do? OK, so anyway, so yeah, that's
where I'm just kind of like in my head I'm like, well, you know
that she's not going to be. She's liked a few anti-gay
posts, I'm sure of it, you know. So I'm curious to know what
exactly it is, how bad it is. We should, I'm going to do some
research after this, but I just don't know how that's shocking.
And I'm not looking forward to the fact that there's going to
be this whole thing about how Tamra caused all this.
Right, right. I feel like in the preview when,
when Jen's saying like something is amiss here, it's like she's
referring to like, but it's Tamara's not making this up.
She's not fabricating this. She's, you know, not like this
isn't like AI, right, You know? But you know, Tamara could have
just been really calm and quiet about it, thinking like, yeah,
I'll apologize now because I know what's coming next.
Oh, I'm sure. And I wonder if something about
something this came up during her meeting with Katie.
Oh, because I feel we're going to go back to that because it
was such a small snow and. Katie showed her the post.
Yes. Uh huh.
Because that would work timing wise.
I think when she saw. Yeah, I think you're right.
And they would explain why that's such a short meeting with
Katie. Because they're going to
flashback to it and. Then Katie's going to be the one
who made this all happen, and then she'll be back next season.
Yes, because she's like, oh really, Gretchen?
How you like me now and then? Yeah, I think.
Feeling drugged now, OK. No, no, no, no.
I think, well, I'm of course see where it goes, but I'm also
surprised because they don't usually go there right on
housewives about anything because this is like political,
religious. It's just really.
But yeah, Oh yeah, it's true. It's really, it's something you
would see maybe on Beverly Hills, right?
But like OC, it's like kind of like this unsaid thing of that
how conservative they are, unless you're Vicky and you
bring it up on your podcast and you know.
Yeah, I mean, unless it's just maybe it's something that's
really, really fucking awful, you know?
Yeah, could see, you know, and. And yeah, you're right, they
wouldn't normally bring that up and.
Because they just don't want to want to push away part of their
audience who, frankly, unfortunately leans that way,
leaves those things that Gretchen allegedly liked, you
know, or commented on. Well, it'll be interesting to
see how they do it without. Yeah, I mean, I, I'm afraid that
they're going to back off of it a little bit.
They're not going to give it like.
They're going to be very, I thought it's going to be very
focused on the LGBTQ of it all. And they are never going to say
MAGA. Oh no, no, yeah.
They're never going to get like deeped out into it.
Like this is who you are. This is who you like because you
can to others. I mean, it could also very well
have zero to do with, you know, conservative politics or, you
know, Republican. It could just really be about
the social aspect of. It social aspect of it and I
think it's just it's probably more religious.
Right. That's the question.
Yes, Biblical. Do you biblically believe this?
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, they could I'm
yeah, I'm sure that's how they get around it is that's more
about the social issue that it is about, you know, the how you
voted exactly, yes, but again. It's how.
You vote often in these days, we'll kind of be a litmus test
for how you feel about a lot of these other social issues.
Right. It's a very fine line.
It's very murky territory for housewives to get into, right?
But it is for somebody who just a few episodes ago, like
Heather, who, you know, was supporting the Trevor Project
and brought them on to the show and had a whole thing for them.
Like, this is what she strongly believes in because this is her
family. You know, it's not.
This is her children. Yeah, yeah.
So it's not like, oh, this is my friend who's gay or my
hairdresser. And it's like, this is my
children and you're Speaking of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it's gonna be a great finale.
I know things like really got good in the sand.
Now we know why the trip ends in Amsterdam.
Because. Well, and also, Greg, Heather
hasn't done anything with her dad's ashes yet.
So I feel, yeah, I feel like the next episodes will be very, very
emotional for Heather at the end of all this emotion.
This is going. To I bet they're spreading them
in the beginning of the episode and then they get to like, oh,
it's final dinner and then Gene is like, I can't hold on to it
anymore, Heather. I can't.
God. Oh, I feel bad.
Tamara's going to have a lot. Of fallout, though, for having
brought well, I guess you're right, though, it's got to be it
has to be from Katie as well. Yes, so and that's going to it
was too short of a scene. I was like.
This is all we get. Like we haven't seen this woman
in like weeks and now it's all we get.
There's gotta be a flashback to then bridge to the reunion and
it serves also up the. Ability to give Heather like an
inroad with Katie to get over it.
Like, oh, you know, thank you for, you know, it was hurtful
that to hear those things. But thank you for having my back
and, you know, letting me know that this person felt, you know,
so disgustingly about my family or what are the pieces, right?
So it would give Heather an excuse to mend fences with
Katie. They are sitting next to each
other with Reunion. But that's just because that's
what it. But also it's interesting in
this episode, Heather said I don't think Gretchen's an evil.
She's an evil menace. And she's been nothing but nice.
And yeah, yeah, they're definitely.
Setting that up. Oh yeah.
Oh, oh, I. Can't wait to watch.
Me either, I just hope it goes. I, I hope I.
Hope our I hope our favourites are good in the exactly we just
want. Tamara to come out clean.
Not just Tamara, but like, even like.
Heather, I mean it's our even Gina and like because I just
don't want that backlash of like, why would you bring this
up to me? Like, you know, like it's
hurtful to hear these things. Like I'd rather not know, but I
is no one else. Thought to bring it up to like
none of her friends like outside the show.
Thought hey this Co worker of yours She's like unless the
people she knows outside the show are not looking for things.
Probably because unless you're on the.
Social's. Media, you're not really looking
for this, but it's also like how you know I have Co workers.
Who I'm sure are very conservative that I don't know.
And I just don't bring up their politics and I don't even think
about it. I'm just like, I'm here to do
this thing. And, you know, obviously we
don't have a creative, you know, presence like the Housewives do.
But you know, but also this is about like friendships.
And how you know? Yeah, I'm just saying, I guess
my. Other point as well was.
Also my. Friends don't give a shit about
my coworkers. They're.
They're just like, oh, that guy you work with?
You know, OK, cool. You know, so true.
What I my friends don't either. Yeah, unless I like I was
hanging out with like. Numerous, numerous.
The world. My coworkers.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So well, I think we did a good
job talking about everything this time and we'll talk about
it next time. Till next time.