1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,160 I'm Scott. And I'm Jeff. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,560 And we just watched a fucking crazy episode of The Real 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,040 Housewives of Orange County. It was very confusing. 5 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:15,160 It's very confusing. We're already swearing this is E 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,560 for explicit Hide your children. That's your. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,720 Children. They should not be listening to 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,040 this so. Yeah, I didn't think it was 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,800 going to go this way. I'm very confused by this 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,400 addendum. Yeah, you know. 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,960 Like I thought I thought we were going to have a moment of like 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,520 well no shit. Gretchen's conservative and 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,520 supports anti LGBTQ stuff, which I still think is true. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,800 I'd I'm going to say like, let's. 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:51,240 Not it's a strong possibility. I'm going to say like, it's, I 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,800 like, again, I don't think that this distraction, I feel like 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,920 what they're offering us is a distraction as if, as if we were 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,200 supposed to say maybe this wasn't true. 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,080 I think the way that she responded in the way that she 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,760 did not immediately defend herself is that she knew she was 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,520 caught. What I'm really concerned about 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,920 in the very long run is why production through Tamra under 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,800 the bus the way that they did. And reversed, yeah, drove back 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:31,000 over like it was a they really were just this, this like voice. 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,840 I mean the disguise, his voice was he disguising his voiceless 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,280 person who had all the receipts, right. 27 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:38,840 It was just so it's. Eddie. 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,640 It's Slade with like the Scream voice decoder. 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,240 Yeah, no, that, that's the weird thing. 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,960 Is it like, I don't think that any of this is far fetched. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,400 The fact that they're trying to make it and, and I mean, hats 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,840 off to Emily. If if if they say that Emily is 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,440 as serve as she is for her to like be taking the side that 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,360 she's taking like hats off to all of them to be shocked that 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,759 Gretchen would feel this way. The thing is, they didn't go 36 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:13,040 deep into why this could possibly be true because they 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,240 don't talk about politics and how. 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,040 I mean, maybe there's more to that conversation. 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,960 You know, they're always there for so much longer than than 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,560 what's shown. But it's it's worth making the 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,560 point of let's say this is all fake. 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,080 These are doctored screenshots, chat, chat, PGPT, whatever AI 43 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,800 made these like hateful posts that she supposedly liked. 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,160 It's not far fetched based on the fact that we know Gretchen 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,680 is very conservative and preaches that. 46 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,640 And so I it's not out of the realm of possibility for me to 47 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,560 believe like she would like things like that. 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,960 That's why it's easy to believe, right? 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,200 It's just interesting how they all were like, well, wait, maybe 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,160 it's not like I don't know why I I wish that someone had said 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,000 like you're you're MAGA. Let's just say the word like, 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,200 like not avoid trying to avoid. You know this is your. 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Political, I mean, I will, I will say in general, like I'm 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,880 pretty sure MAGA means to different people different 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,480 things that it means to us. So maybe we should not use that. 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,680 But she's conservative, and she believes in a traditional 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Christian. She supports a movement that is 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,400 very likely to not support the LGBTQ plus community, right 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,720 period. So if you're saying to me, 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Gretchen, like these, these posts that are anti all of this, 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,320 I could believe it because that's who she supports. 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,480 You can't just say I'm voting fiscally. 63 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 I'm voting, you know, like for like. 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,760 I want lower egg prices. You know and not and not 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,960 realize, but you're supporting people who hate other people who 66 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,240 are very hateful rhetoric. But also the same. 67 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,800 I'm not saying she's supporting, you know, very like hardcore 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,960 anti, you know, like bored. I would say the words but. 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,840 But at the same time, like in in my head, I'm kind of like, OK, 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,600 she has to like, it's not beyond, it's not beyond the 71 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:22,079 realm of possibility that if she's trying to Curry favor with 72 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:27,040 a certain type of person that she would like those things. 73 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,320 If she's trying to impress people who are anti LGBTQ, I can 74 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,920 see her saying and liking and trying to appear that way. 75 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,640 The same way that now that she's on a pretty liberal television 76 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,000 show, one that at least tries to remain liberal and appeal to all 77 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,560 the different, you know? That remains liberal. 78 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,960 I think it rings very neutral. They don't talk about politics. 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,200 I mean, closest thing that we got to that was during the 2016 80 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,480 election on New York, when Carol, yeah, storyline that she 81 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,480 was very pro Hillary. So I mean, so Bravo's not 82 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,480 without its own problems, I'm not saying that, but. 83 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,040 I think Bravo doesn't talk about this. 84 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:14,600 But Bravo, whether like it or not, Bravo has a very large 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,840 LGBTQ. Yeah, but I think demographic 86 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:21,600 and not no pun intended what Trump's that are the white 87 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,160 middle-aged women right very well very well fall into this 88 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,160 camp yeah who support OK bravo. So you can look at the online 89 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,400 community, people who are making all these Tik Toks, these very 90 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,960 these podcasts, yeah, these funny, like, you know, very bold 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,600 gay men, people, you know, even behind the scenes as producers 92 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,120 of podcasts or like who basically people who are putting 93 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,640 out content. What you see online doesn't 94 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,760 necessarily reflect what you people who are actually watching 95 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,000 the show, just as the people who are very hateful online and I'm 96 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,080 talking to hateful, not like about, you know, LGBT whatever, 97 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,760 basically saying like I hate this housewife. 98 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,280 You know, keyboard warriors don't necessarily reflect what 99 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,200 people think in, you know, other parts of the country. 100 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,480 Like yeah, no Internet. Right. 101 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,960 Oh no, I I get what you're saying. 102 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,200 So, you know, I, I don't think Bravo is very liberal. 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 I think they're very. They're walking the line. 104 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,520 They're walking the lines. They don't want to alienate 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,240 people. Once in a while, Andy will, you 106 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,240 know, very much of voice his opinions because of course he's 107 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,520 going to. He's a gay man. 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,000 You know he's going to say call out certain people. 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 But on what happens live, but it's just you're not going to 110 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,960 really see that. Yeah, seeing Heather support the 111 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Trevor Project, of course, it's definitely a statement, but it's 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,800 a very small segment. It's a very short segment and. 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,360 Yeah, and doesn't get as much airtime. 114 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,400 Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. 115 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Right there was, yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I'm again, but 116 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,600 still you'd expect like Bravo historically has tried to like 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,920 walk both sides of the fence like more than Karen does. 118 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,880 So like it just seems really strange that there would be this 119 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,600 element that's like you could easily. 120 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:16,040 It's just so weird because like, I don't want to, I don't want to 121 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 in my heart support Gretchen, any of this, because it does 122 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,160 seem like she liked I, I do believe in my heart that she 123 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:34,280 supports anti LGBTQ sentiments. And if she like as a human, I, I 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,040 can, if I were to believe anything that she that we were 125 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,560 shown on this episode, like maybe she doesn't wholly believe 126 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,960 these things, but she supports those that do and she's not yet 127 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,280 reconciled what that means. That's not my problem though, 128 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,400 you know, like at this. Yeah, also, it's very easy for 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,880 her to do this because she is a, a white cisgender woman woman, 130 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,760 right, in Orange County, right. She's not walking in the shoes 131 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,000 of people who have to face hardships. 132 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,120 And it's one thing to be like, I had a drag bronze. 133 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,240 She had a drag Tupperware party at my house and like, I went to 134 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,720 the Abbey and I've done events, you know, with gays and like my 135 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,200 hair stylist and some of my best friends, you know, whatever, 136 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,440 whatever. But it's quite another to like 137 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,720 be Heather and have children, three children who are members 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,640 of that community. You know, that it's more 139 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,840 meaningful. Like you are walking the walk. 140 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,360 This means something to you. You support your children. 141 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,200 You support these issues. It's not just like, oh, my hair 142 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,240 stylist is gay. Well, you know. 143 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,280 Yeah. Like, to me, everything that 144 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Gretchen was saying to try to defend herself, which wasn't 145 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,880 much initially, was very much like that whole idea of what is 146 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,240 it called when you're the model minority that like, oh, some of 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,600 my best friends are gay. It's like, OK, that's fine. 148 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,600 You're OK with the people that don't offend you. 149 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Oh. You mean she's she's talking 150 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,360 about people who are the model minority, right? 151 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Like the harmless drag queen, right? 152 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,320 Gay hairstylist, right? But the activist who's acting 153 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,880 like Dylan Mulvaney, right? Asking for, you know. 154 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Actual equality like. In my rights and like Knox be 155 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,560 harmed because of being a trans person, that's where you 156 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,120 supporting that person. Right. 157 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,880 I think that's where she's saying, no, I don't support that 158 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,280 thing. So it's like when they're just 159 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,520 like they're not bothering my lifestyle, they're fine. 160 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Like they aren't in cringing on impinging on me being, you know, 161 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,520 a white woman, you know? Whatever. 162 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,200 I can use the words today. I can use pronouns too, yeah. 163 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,000 Exactly. I'm a girly girl, yeah. 164 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:42,800 I can I can see that where I where I'm really, I don't know 165 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,480 where I'm really starting to. I don't like I I the way they 166 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,160 edited this whole thing. It just feels really dirty. 167 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Like I don't it's also I don't, I don't believe Tamara would be 168 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:02,680 this calculating, but at the same time I don't feel like they 169 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,040 could pull it out of thin fucking air. 170 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Yeah, there's got to be. And I really hope that Tamra 171 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,000 didn't do anything to like make this worse. 172 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,600 So the whole idea like should. We start from the beginning. 173 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,600 We we we're no hope for doing that I'd. 174 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Like to go through. Let's get there in a moment 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,800 before I forget where I'm going. I feel like the whole idea that 176 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:32,520 they said that Tamra may have created accounts that made this 177 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,400 happen, like that's kind of what I got out of it. 178 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,280 They were saying like Tamara was behind some of these accounts 179 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,560 that made a little Gretchen was saying this would suggest that 180 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:48,560 Tamara was like creating fake Gretchen accounts to have this 181 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,520 year a year before like anti LGBT. 182 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,120 It just seems so over the top weird. 183 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,760 It's a lot of work too. Which I don't think that Tamara 184 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,680 1 is that Hardy with her. Work she didn't even know. 185 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Gretchen was coming back. To the show, it didn't. 186 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,560 That's the thing. Like Tamara doesn't think about 187 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,800 Gretchen like this. I hope she doesn't. 188 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Gretchen thinks about Tamara like this. 189 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,560 So there again, I wouldn't last week, I would not have thought 190 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:24,360 this, but the fact that like Bravo's putting this forward, 191 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,680 like there's a lot on their part that's like Tamara is a 192 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,760 commodity of theirs to an extent. 193 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,960 Yes. And so the fact that they're 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,240 like putting it out there that Tamara would like go to the 195 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,240 lengths to create fake accounts to make it look like Gretchen 196 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,560 was. It wasn't even. 197 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,240 I mean, that's part of it. That's when they get it in their 198 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,200 reunion clip. The main thing at the end. 199 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Well, let's yeah, we'll go end then we'll back to the head be 200 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,280 full circle. The main thing from that little 201 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,400 add on scene, which I don't like doing that. 202 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,200 I don't. It was, you know, last year when 203 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,880 they did that, it was, you know, more innocuous. 204 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,920 They're like we're sisters were thinking whatever it was to drop 205 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,360 some like bomb at the end about. Yeah. 206 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 But it's weak, I think, in storytelling turn. 207 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,080 Yeah, that you have to like it's, it's obviously produced. 208 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,960 It's just like, let's get these three together. 209 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,040 And someone reached out to Gina and said Tamara's leaking stuff, 210 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,520 I can prove it. They call the person and they go 211 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,880 give me some examples. And he goes boom, boom, boom. 212 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Like 6 examples of stuff that wouldn't have been known because 213 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,600 it hadn't aired yet. So this is more so about like 214 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,800 they're saying Tamara's leaking information to bloggers, to fan 215 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,040 pages, whatever. I don't recall these things 216 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,600 coming out. I'd also not looking for them 217 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,120 deeply. Like I'm not looking for 218 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:51,320 spoilers right about Housewives, but it feels like this would be 219 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,080 more all over the place. Yeah, yeah. 220 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,200 It's just so that whole thing seemed and they are just so 221 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,720 quick to be like, of course. And then especially when he 222 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,240 said, you know, that Tamara was hatching a plan with Gina. 223 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,840 Gina's like, oh, no, not me. Like don't bring me into this. 224 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,760 And I don't know, it was just so weird to have all this evidence 225 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,040 against Tamara from this mystery voice who could be anybody. 226 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 He could be on Gretchen's payroll. 227 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,320 He could be a part of, I don't know, like, why are we giving 228 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,360 this air time of hearing somebody saying things? 229 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,640 I guess because it proves that they know things that only 230 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,400 production and people involved. Would know and the timing of it 231 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,440 all like that's I think that was my one take away from that whole 232 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,920 like epilogue was that before anything aired there were 233 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,600 stories out there that were like detailing things that had 234 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,440 happened before anyone should have known about them. 235 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,520 So the idea of Gretchen coming after her, where she walks off 236 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,400 and Eddie gives the finger, you know, that whole thing, like 237 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,800 that whole moment was he would. That's what that was suggesting 238 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,080 is that before anyone knew that happened, that was already being 239 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,880 put out there into the universe in a time where like it would be 240 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,240 irrelevant. But I don't know really what 241 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,880 that. There was there like were there 242 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,040 posts about all this? That's what I want to see. 243 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,320 You can say like what was this information? 244 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,720 This person was saying this information that they knew. 245 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,400 This person, Kiki Monique. Will be her Bravo con with 246 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Tamara on it. This person knows all this 247 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,040 information but what were they doing with it aside from proving 248 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,600 that they knew all the information? 249 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,920 And why was production again giving air time to this person? 250 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Unless it basically it's just to try to prove a point that Tamra 251 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,160 was leaking this information because then you had all three 252 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,960 women, Jen, Gina and and Shanna and basically saying like, well, 253 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,400 how could she do this? This is our show and. 254 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,120 And that's where I just don't understand, like, what that 255 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,840 behooves production to do. True. 256 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Yeah. Like, unless they're just 257 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,760 really, unless they have something really amazing planned 258 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,800 for Season 20, which probably they do, but like, I don't. 259 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,400 It's just it's really confusing overall. 260 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,480 I'm very confused about what's the point of it and you're the 261 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,280 timing of it. Like the fact that this thing 262 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,680 was done to Gretchen and then all of a sudden this person is 263 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,600 like, I know all these things. I mean, if someone I don't know 264 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,000 if you can have, you can have like so many conspiracy theories 265 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,120 and go down a rabbit hole, but who knew what and who told who 266 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,440 when and how is Gretchen involved and how is Tamara 267 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,600 involved? But I think the overall point is 268 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,280 it's so messed up and confusing and it's bringing things off 269 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 camera on camera, and that's what it is. 270 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,640 When you bring things that happen off camera on camera, it 271 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,960 doesn't translate and it gets very confusing for the audience 272 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,120 and I it's not, it's not good TV. 273 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,960 And you're right, I think on top of that, like what does the show 274 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 gain from this? They get at most a week's worth 275 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,960 of us and people like us and controversies. 276 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,040 We're. Talking about and at the end of 277 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,360 the day, it's not going to go anywhere. 278 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,000 We're going to get next week's reunion. 279 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,640 They probably won't talk about that. 280 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Then they'll probably save that for the third episode. 281 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,720 So they probably get 4 weeks of. Like in the trailer, it was 282 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,640 brought up, you know, like I think it gets a brought up 283 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,120 pretty soon because we see OK them watching the scene of, you 284 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,160 know, the three talking to this. I don't know. 285 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,800 We, we could be, we could be getting fed aligned. 286 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,680 That could be the third week of the reunion. 287 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,840 That's true. We'll never know. 288 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,680 We hear like Gretchen saying like it's so fucked up for you 289 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,280 to do this, Tamrod. I don't know. 290 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,640 And it's just it's a BLOB. And it makes me when people say 291 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,920 this isn't a good season. I think it was a good season 292 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,839 that this was not a good finale for me because it's just such a 293 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,160 mess. And it doesn't it's not just 294 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 because, you know, there's the person I like the most is being 295 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:18,440 thrown on the bus. I, it's, it's because I, it 296 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,880 makes my brain hurt trying to figure out what's going on. 297 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,280 You've lost me as a viewer because you brought in all this, 298 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,400 all this outside stuff. It's become too much about 299 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,400 what's happening off the show than what's happening on the 300 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,000 show, which, which means there's not enough happening on the show 301 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,160 That's interesting to make a show. 302 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,320 So you need to go to bloggers and mystery people to try to 303 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,400 make something happen. And that is when you have fucked 304 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,520 yourself. I I didn't. 305 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Yeah, no. Need to like, like, and what's 306 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,640 happening is that this is this is happening because you have 307 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,160 two people who are trying to destroy one another and it's 308 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,560 hurting the show. And I think you just can't go on 309 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,440 that way. So I mean, I, you're, I agree 310 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:11,360 with you 100% where I'm confused, and I'm not trying to 311 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:18,440 be devil's advocate here. Like Gretchen has historically 312 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,240 displayed very conservative values. 313 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,320 So unless they're all just lying out their asses, the fact that 314 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,400 Heather herself was like this doesn't sound like Gretchen. 315 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Like there's an element to me that's like, OK, maybe she's not 316 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,760 like that, but is the really is the real truth that she just 317 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,240 doesn't express herself to Heather like that? 318 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Exactly. And so I'd be more interested in 319 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,160 hearing about that and like, really like that's what I'm more 320 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,080 interested in to the bottom of not because I want to label 321 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,920 someone or, or feel better putting someone in a box saying 322 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,800 that, you know, Gretchen is this or is not this. 323 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:06,240 But like, to me, if that's what we're we've watched the last 16 324 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,240 or 15 weeks for however many to like not even that to come up 325 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,400 with is like, what are we supposed to feel about this 326 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,440 relationship that has been forged, you know? 327 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,120 I don't understand that relationship, but I also think 328 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,680 it's a classic case of, well, she's not like that with me. 329 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,200 Yeah. But you don't know then all 330 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,280 parts of her and all facets of her personality or what she does 331 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,400 when she's not with you saying I love you, you're my friend, I 332 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,600 support your family, you know, etcetera, etcetera. 333 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,200 Right. Have you stopped her and said, 334 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,880 but do you support my family when and if this happened and 335 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,040 find out like well, no because you know the Bible says. 336 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,280 Was she at? Was Gretchen at that Trevor 337 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,760 Project function? She wasn't. 338 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,600 I don't doesn't mean anything, but I don't know. 339 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,000 Yeah, I. I think now we start from the 340 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,400 beginning because now we're like we're beating. 341 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,000 Well, where the hell was the beginning? 342 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,320 You tell me. The beginning was the day after 343 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,640 with Gretchen talking to Slade and, you know, saying like one 344 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,160 thing, I should get over it and hard because I'm traumatized 345 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,520 and, you know, because we were saying like, what? 346 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,880 What happens? It's like they do they go 347 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,960 swinging. We'll never do. 348 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,160 I would do that. That'd be fine. 349 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,320 I think I've. Actually, I would die. 350 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,640 I think I was, and tell you I was actually, I think I was 351 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,640 there before that attraction opened. 352 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Esther and Ben and I went. It was good. 353 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,920 I would the only time I felt for Gretchen, I was like, I would be 354 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,480 shaking as well. It would give me a physical 355 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,120 reaction to be I know I'm a harder stand. 356 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:44,560 I know it's, it's safe, but no. So after that, Tamara gives her 357 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,600 an apology. You know, about the whole, the 358 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,120 cancer stuff and, and whatnot. And I'm sorry they did that. 359 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,320 And, you know, it was an actual, it seemed very real. 360 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,600 And they had a moment and like, we're going to be OK. 361 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,760 But you're like womp womp. Just wait. 362 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,360 Yeah. And then meanwhile, they're in 363 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,160 the maze. Are you picking up Gabs? 364 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,040 Yeah, I'm talking about trauma. But she was bumping, she was 365 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,640 head butting me. See, she's such a pretty Kitty, 366 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 meow. No, like I'm not. 367 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,800 Going to meow when you tell me the meow. 368 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,360 But I'm going to hold her. You keep talking. 369 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,040 What keeps that? No, she's fine. 370 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,440 She's like enjoying the lights. She's like, look at me, I'm a 371 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,520 star. I'm a big, bright shining star. 372 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,280 Oh my goodness. What's that? 373 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Anyway, this is a dead air. Cut it out. 374 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,560 I lost track of what then. Sorry, I didn't realize a cat 375 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,600 could do that to you. Well, it's. 376 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,520 She needed me. She was headbutting me real 377 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 good. She needed some snuggles, 378 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,720 clearly. OK, I'll put her down. 379 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,320 Yes, you can start talking about housewives. 380 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,600 OK, I didn't. Realize that Gabs was your Kip 381 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,440 tonight. No, it's just like it threw me 382 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,120 off and then, yeah, we'll cut this out. 383 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Sure, we will. OK, Yeah, we will. 384 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,160 We'll totally cut this out. So. 385 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Gretchen. Yes. 386 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,680 We will cut this out. I'm sorry, I didn't realize this 387 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,440 was going to throw you. Some yeah, yeah, yeah. 388 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Crap. I don't know. 389 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,560 They had the one on the swings. Oh, they're doing the maze thing 390 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,640 with Shannon. Oh, that was funny. 391 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Shrooms. That was funny, like again, the 392 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,240 fact that Shannon did shrooms, that was amazing a lot. 393 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,400 Of people we should not do shrooms. 394 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,640 Maybe. Yeah, she feels like she's on 395 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 shrooms. But that whole experience in the 396 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,200 maze had to have been freaking weird. 397 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,960 The fact that they they used your own image and like, if 398 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,640 you're already well, maybe they weren't expecting people to be 399 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,120 on shrooms, but. I'm sure they expect people to 400 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,880 be on drugs because that's what her daughter said. 401 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,160 You should, you know, mushrooms and then go through it. 402 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Then it's the same thing with the tulips. 403 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,920 Right, extra surreal and extra weird. 404 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,960 All the elements, Yeah, yeah, see, yeah. 405 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320 There was like, they were like little moments of levity them on 406 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,040 the bikes and whatever. And then like having actual 407 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,120 conversations, you know, when they had the picnic and, you 408 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,080 know, talking about Jen and, you know, you should be more 409 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320 financially secure. So you have to depend on Ryan. 410 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,680 And I did, I did enjoy that. Like they got to express things 411 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,480 that in other episodes, like, oh, you know, like there's this 412 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,000 whole thing about your Instagram, blah, blah, blah. 413 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Like they got to express that like you, that should be more 414 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560 about you. Like when I open that, when I 415 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,360 open it, I feel it's about Ryan. It should be more about you. 416 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,120 Right. Like, OK, that makes sense. 417 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,560 Which I think then other episodes they could misconstrue 418 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,840 like, well, yeah. It's not disparaging Ryan, 419 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,840 basically just saying like you should have your own identity. 420 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,280 And also if you can monetize that, that'd be great as well. 421 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,760 Yeah, you know, because you're doing these workouts anyways. 422 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,800 Why not be like, I used these dumbbells from so and so and, 423 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,400 you know, whatever. So no, those are good 424 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,800 conversations. They're like, you know, when 425 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,080 they Shannon was like I hurt you, hurt my feelings when 426 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Gretchen tried to make something happen and failed about, you 427 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,280 know, them making fun of her that. 428 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Oh, it was banks and everything. The fact that she said like, 429 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,840 could it be the thing we're fat shaming you? 430 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040 Like if you have to, why would you say that? 431 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,400 If you have to say the phrase, could it be that they were 432 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,880 trying to fetch like? Then that's you putting it out 433 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,880 there. Let me lead you to this water, 434 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,680 right? Right. 435 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,040 If it's not obvious already, then yeah, that's yeah, yeah. 436 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240 Yes, so I'm glad that like you know, Emily quickly was like, 437 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280 I'm sorry, shut up, Gretchen, but and also I'm sorry if I hurt 438 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,120 your feelings. Yeah, but I mean they were 439 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,280 making. Fashion they were told you're 440 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,000 making whatever, but I I but not in the like a like you're you 441 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560 know you're a horrible fat person, right? 442 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:56,120 I, I really feel it was more about her like reliance upon the 443 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,160 Spanx, right? Like, like Shannon's just like a 444 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:03,160 like held together by all that stuff when it's like, why does 445 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,880 she need to be like, why does she feel that way? 446 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,240 Like that's what I was getting out of. 447 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Also, it's a part of her shtick that like I'm hoisting myself up 448 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,920 in these Spanx almost like, you know, like a Victorian lady 449 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520 putting herself in a girdle, right? 450 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,360 You know so. Yeah, I, I, I get it that they 451 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,640 like it. They were definitely poking fun 452 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,640 at her, but in a way that I feel like she's poking fun at 453 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,920 herself. Right. 454 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,400 But I think that she'd been there. 455 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720 It'd be a different story. Absolutely. 456 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360 Laugh along and be like, oh, biscuits and then you know. 457 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,040 Yeah, but the Gretchen was definitely trying to make drama. 458 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Where? As soon as she walked away with 459 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,200 her, I was like, where is she doing? 460 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,280 Why is she like, I need a moment alone for you, Shannon. 461 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,200 Yeah, yeah. And then the whole Heather. 462 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Much better than Sutton with MERS and the purse. 463 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080 So much better. Like just having that moment, 464 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:54,320 like just going and seeing the the old house they used to live 465 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,920 in. And bringing just Emily, which 466 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600 is a choice, I would say, like I wouldn't I never would have 467 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,360 thought a million years. Like let's bring Emily. 468 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:06,760 Like I figured she'd bring Shannon or maybe Tamara, right. 469 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,680 But and you know, good, good. For, you know, going through 470 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,320 kind of as, as she was saying similar thing and whatnot. 471 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,640 But yeah, I think having just the coincidence of that man 472 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,840 walking out and saying come into the house and beautiful house, 473 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,760 being able to have those memories, talk about her father 474 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,720 and then have an actual real moment when she spread his ashes 475 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,440 not into the wind was really nice too. 476 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,200 So that was I think before the storm to have like these little 477 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,400 bits of moment. Moments were great. 478 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,360 Yeah. Was like the other moments 479 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,560 before we got to the the dinner I. 480 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,880 Don't think so. I mean, Gina looking fantastic 481 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,520 this whole episode, but I think that's only I'm only bringing 482 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,800 that up because of what the reunion dresses look like. 483 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,200 Which do we talk about that next year through next year, next 484 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,360 year? We will, but no, like still 485 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,440 like, I think, I don't know, like Emily or Gina's looking 486 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400 really good and like in a way that I was not expecting. 487 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,400 Her outfits are really great, like when she was wearing the 488 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,360 when they're riding the bikes and she's a little schoolgirl 489 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,720 outfit and you know. Oh, that green jacket she was 490 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,640 wearing. Like, I want to. 491 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,480 I want something like that for myself. 492 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,200 Like, I want to dress like a college professor, right? 493 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:30,000 With the elbow pads. Yeah, elbow pads, not knee pads. 494 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,600 Definitely elbow pads, so. But yeah, so, and we got to see 495 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,360 Amsterdam and not in a hot tub time machine rolling down the 496 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,880 canal. So that was good, yeah. 497 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,680 So then yes. You were really trying to make 498 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,360 sense of this episode like you are you trying to bring it back 499 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,560 to an actual like show before? Well, I don't want to like, just 500 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520 talk about like the ending and there's other things we need to 501 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,200 cover. Yeah. 502 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,400 Not that we're, you know, again, we're not a recap show, but we 503 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400 need to talk about they were nice moments before the shit hit 504 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,360 the fan. And so I think like talking 505 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,720 about that is, is good because we can't, you know, we want to 506 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,720 focus on everything that happened in the episode. 507 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,040 So they tried to make it a well-rounded finale before they 508 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,120 got into a really dark rabbit hole. 509 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Yeah. So, So yeah, the dinner didn't 510 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,720 go. I like what Tamara said. 511 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,080 Let's wait till the last dinner because then we cop on a plane 512 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,160 and, you know, we're done. So the things get exposed and 513 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,920 everyone is just so quick to say, oh, well, that's bad, you 514 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,960 know, and I do go back to her saying before it was weird how 515 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,360 calm Gretchen was about it. Of what do you mean? 516 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,080 I don't know. I don't, I don't think I'd like 517 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,880 that, you know? That when's the last time like 518 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,520 if I were to be like, Hey, I saw you liked this thing on you 519 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,840 would know what you liked and then like, or you'd at least be 520 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120 like that sounds like something I'd like. 521 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,160 Well you can also say was it Slade who runs her account when 522 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760 she's not if she's an influencer needing to be running her 523 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,120 account 24/7 because she's working true show. 524 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,280 So if someone just scrolling through and finding anti trans 525 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,800 anti whatever posts and like. Them right? 526 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,440 I don't. Again, I don't understand. 527 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,880 Again, if it comes. That's the question I hope it 528 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,040 gets asked to the reunion. Who has access to your to your 529 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,400 Instagram? Is it just you or could somebody 530 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,880 else possibly like these things right? 531 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,400 It comes down to it, though, that like, if you were to say to 532 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,920 me, oh, you liked this thing, I'm like, I would not know. 533 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,800 Like she was very much like, well, that doesn't sound like 534 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,440 something. It's like. 535 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,760 I don't know. Show me the things. 536 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880 Yeah, very, very eerily calm about it. 537 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,040 Because she again like I. And then calling the Slade as 538 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,480 if. What was that going to do? 539 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,760 Call them after you're finished the. 540 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:04,320 I don't know how you come back on housewives having liked 541 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,160 things like that without being ready to address them. 542 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,280 And so I feel like the way she was calm about it was like, I've 543 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,400 been expecting this. Like, of course this would 544 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,960 happen. And I I don't know if she 545 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,680 thought that maybe she would have when the moment happened, 546 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 like the most perfect thing to say and she didn't. 547 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,640 But like, it seems to me that that's you either when you do 548 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,520 something that's against your character, you speak up very 549 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,480 loud and very quickly, very adamantly about it. 550 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,640 And you're just like, that is not true. 551 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,480 And you can do it wholeheartedly without hesitation. 552 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,240 And the fact that she's like, well, what are you talking 553 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,240 about? I just like. 554 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,240 I mean, maybe it's weird for me to try to, again, I'm not 555 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240 playing playing devil's advocate either. 556 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720 But as Heather said, she could have been in shock. 557 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,360 She could have been thinking, what do I say? 558 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,720 What do I say that's going to make this better? 559 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,120 So you're rolling around in your mind thinking, how do I correct 560 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,880 this? And you have. 561 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:22,280 But it is odd that Heather has such this big reaction and a lot 562 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,680 of energy coming at her and Gretchen isn't matching that. 563 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,000 Instead she is very calm and she walked up to her afterwards. 564 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560 You know, I don't, I wouldn't say that I love your family. 565 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800 It was just too calm. I don't need her to be 566 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,600 hysterical because she got a little bit when she was outside 567 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,160 of the car, right? But, well, that's because that's 568 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,800 the way the women were treating her. 569 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,280 It was like. Oh, they were shutting her down. 570 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,760 You're you're, you are ostracizing me over my beliefs 571 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680 now. Like, oh, this is becoming real. 572 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,600 Well, no, it was more so aside from Tamra who had to be held 573 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320 back, everyone was very quiet. Right? 574 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,800 That made her reaction be big, whereas if the table everyone 575 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,160 had a big reaction. Well, mainly Tamra and Heather 576 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,040 and she was very calm. So it's weird that she was 577 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,640 flipping the energy. Yeah, she was receiving. 578 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,520 Yeah. You know, I don't know. 579 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,680 I don't know what makes her tick. 580 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,520 I don't I don't understand. I think she's a calculating 581 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,600 person. I think she shared that with the 582 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,640 the Shannon incident, but I don't I don't know what to 583 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,040 believe. I don't know if this now it 584 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,280 makes me question if it if she again, I don't question the fact 585 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,720 that she could like these things or could have these beliefs, but 586 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,120 I wonder about the validity of these screenshots. 587 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,560 Oh, really? Well when you say the next when 588 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,480 the next day Gina says I can't find these. 589 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,240 Aside from the screenshots, I can't find her liking these 590 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,000 actual posts. Right. 591 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,720 Unless Slade cleaned them up right away. 592 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,320 Right. Or wipe the Internet. 593 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,840 I don't know if he has the ability to do that. 594 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,680 How did that happen, you know? Yeah, I mean. 595 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,320 That's why none of this makes sense. 596 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Yeah, I just, it's too convenient in so many ways. 597 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,040 I don't know. If you were to turn, if I were 598 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,360 to turn to you and say like you liked this thing that you had 599 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,920 never seen in your life, you wouldn't be like, what are you 600 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,960 talking about? You'd be like, no, like you 601 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,160 would be more instantly, more adamantly like, no, I don't feel 602 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,640 that way. I never have felt that way. 603 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800 Like the fact of the matter is, is that it comes down to that 604 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:46,760 Gretchen has a belief near to those things and she's trying to 605 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,480 mitigate the damage. Like I don't, I, I don't, I feel 606 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,320 like a fucking idiot for not just like someone who believes 607 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,200 those things or like could, could believe those things. 608 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 I don't want to have much sympathy for. 609 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,600 I don't want to like persecute someone wrongly but at the same 610 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,000 time like. I don't persecute them wrongly 611 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,040 in this one instance. Right, I'm just saying like she 612 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,960 doesn't deserve a lot of my sympathy because I'm I'm pretty 613 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:24,040 sure she does not like yay gays, like gays and trans in every 614 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,840 way. Like let's go ahead and like let 615 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,440 you know, let it all happen. I'm pretty sure she's supported 616 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,320 like, limiting gay rights and like making, you know, And the 617 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480 only reason I'm being at all waffly about it is that I don't 618 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,400 know this person in real life. I don't know. 619 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,840 I've never had a conversation with her. 620 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,320 Like, I would feel better to say these things adamantly having 621 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,159 had a conversation with them personally. 622 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,440 But at the same time, the things that we've seen historically 623 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,120 about her doesn't lead me to believe that we should be like 624 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,680 giving her the benefit of the doubt. 625 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,960 But as a man on a podcast in this situation, I, you know, I 626 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,240 don't want to just condemn her immediately. 627 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,720 I want her to have her moment to like defend herself. 628 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,800 And it just doesn't seem like something. 629 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200 That well, and then it goes back to just believing. 630 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600 I've said many times it's hard to believe anything Gretchen 631 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,240 says because she lies, as she showed early on in the season 632 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,640 with the hospital thing, right? You know, just start at the 633 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 beginning of the season or even before they started filming. 634 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,400 When it was announced that she was coming back, it really irked 635 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,480 me because not just as a character, but also what she 636 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,440 stands for and what she believes in. 637 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,040 It bugged me that they would bring someone like that onto the 638 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680 show. You know, they've had people 639 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,120 similar to that and they're no longer on the show, thankfully. 640 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,800 So just to bring that energy on, just to do a tit for tat while 641 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,960 they did it with a luxurious on Shanna, now they need to sick 642 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480 somebody on Tamra and see what happens. 643 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,880 And this is what happens. This utter ball of confusion, 644 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,320 you know? Yeah, Yeah. 645 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,200 I don't think ultimately she was great for the show with the 646 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,680 energy that she brought. Not just this instance, but also 647 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,600 the Katy of it all, the being stuck of in the past and then 648 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,440 when you finally get to this, I don't and then bringing slate on 649 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:39,360 and that they're A2 Fer it's it's hard to watch. 650 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040 It's hard to watch. I don't advocate for anyone 651 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,160 being fired about saying fire, I'm just saying she is hard to 652 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,320 watch. Well, I mean, she's just a temp 653 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,840 anyway, so I mean, come on. I mean, I, I don't, I would 654 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,840 think she wouldn't come back if they couldn't bring back Alexis. 655 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,960 I don't, should not bring back Gretchen. 656 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,800 I think when they're bringing on like these old beefs, I don't 657 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,000 think they're bringing them on with like any realistic. 658 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,800 They're trying to bring them on to like resolve a situation. 659 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,840 If they if they hit fire in a bottle or lightning in a bottle, 660 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,280 then good for them is what they're hoping. 661 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,880 But yeah, I don't think they're bringing on these old beefs to 662 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,880 like, really get anywhere with. It I feel people I was trying to 663 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,080 think just now of people of housewives who've been were 664 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,440 housewives and then were brought back as a friend and then 665 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,640 evolved into being a full time cast member and charade comes to 666 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,600 mind because she I can't remember all the details, but it 667 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,560 didn't seem that she was coming back with a vendetta right or 668 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,840 wanting to talk about things that happened in 2012 it. 669 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160 Was more about where she was today. 670 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:51,760 Right and new beef, you know not focusing on I don't like Nini 671 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,120 for this reason from 2012 and instead I don't like Nini 672 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,400 because of 2020 whenever. Yeah, 2022. 673 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,800 No, you're right, absolutely. And that's why this is, you're 674 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,480 right and so confusing as to why they would go this way, why they 675 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,760 would like pivot to make it seem like Tamara's making this all 676 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,960 up, which I really. Do they want to have a balanced 677 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,680 as if they're saying, well, we're going to throw this out 678 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,680 there that maybe Gretchen, but The thing is. 679 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,960 They're like, we have the Mcbee dynasty. 680 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,800 We we might, might want to, might want to capitulate towards 681 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,000 a lot of conservative people now on Bravo. 682 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920 Well, but you don't do that by making them seem as if they're 683 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,360 they're homophobic assholes. Well, but if it makes it out 684 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,280 that like the Liberals are trying to make them seem that 685 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,920 way, maybe I'm just saying I don't. 686 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,640 Think it's that. I think it was just interesting 687 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,320 how you throw it out there that potentially Gretchen could have 688 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,760 liked these horrible posts that are very anti LGBTQ and then you 689 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,360 quickly retract it after the commercial break. 690 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,960 Yeah. And then you pivot to Tamra's 691 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,280 leaking things, which doesn't really vibe with everything 692 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,680 else. It will be one thing if they are 693 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,480 trying to prove, if this person who called Gina said I can prove 694 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,960 to you that Gretchen didn't like these things, as Slade said, I 695 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,000 will. I will. 696 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,080 I'm going to go with the mat. He didn't say this, but he 697 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080 basically, I'm going to prove it's Tamara. 698 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,320 I'm going to prove that you aren't this horrible homophobic 699 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,680 person. And then but how do you do that? 700 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,640 If you can't prove it, you pivot to something else, right? 701 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,360 IE Tamara is leaking information. 702 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,080 And then I'm just a conspiracy theorist. 703 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,520 It makes this is what you're doing show. 704 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 Now I'm thinking all these conspiracies, why would this 705 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,400 come out? Did Tamara action leak 706 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,040 information? Is it Slay? 707 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,360 Did he pay this voice person? And what voice person? 708 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,360 Who is this person? Who is this mystery person? 709 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,440 Well, I mean, you're supposed to assume this mystery person is 710 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,040 someone legitimate who they're hiding his identity. 711 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,720 Their Blogger. Their content creator. 712 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,000 There's something there's someone who needs their 713 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200 identity. Gotta stop saying Blogger. 714 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,280 This is not. Yeah, it's not 1996. 715 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:22,240 Yeah. 96, 2006 Yeah, whichever. So yeah, I my main problem that 716 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,000 just doesn't sit right with me right now is like, why I should 717 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,800 give a shit. Like, I mean, honestly, before 718 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,400 any of tonight happened, we all assumed Gretchen and others on 719 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,040 the show had a very conservative leaning that they did not 720 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,080 necessarily support the LGBT community. 721 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,840 They don't support trans rights. They don't support any number of 722 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,480 things that you and I would. So like in any sort of regular 723 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640 conversation. I don't know why I should be 724 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,160 giving them the benefit of the doubt. 725 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,640 Like, I guess for the storytelling and then for the, 726 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,360 you know, like this is reality. And like, we don't, you know, I 727 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,320 want to know, like, at the end of the day, that this person is 728 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,720 or was not thinking a certain way. 729 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,840 But the same time, like, I don't know, I don't want to give 730 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,080 Gretchen the benefit of the doubt. 731 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,600 Like, I believe that she liked those things. 732 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:27,360 I believe that whether she truly believes them, I believe she did 733 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,400 it. And that the conversation that 734 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,680 needs to be had is why she feels that's OK. 735 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,360 Why if she doesn't, if she can't stand up and say I didn't do 736 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,160 that and here's why. If she can't look Heather in the 737 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,160 face and say I love your kids and I think that they're great 738 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080 and I liked these things, but I don't agree with this, this and 739 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,480 this. If she can't do that on a 740 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,680 camera, then I don't want I don't want to hear it, you know, 741 00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,560 and that that's comes down like I'm curious, just for the sake 742 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,320 of fairness. I do want to hear that her side, 743 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,080 but I don't care at the end of the day. 744 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,040 Like I think, I think she's, I think that she's trying to 745 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,240 capitulate and make things OK so she can be on TV. 746 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,240 Does it suck if Tamara's putting it out there and like trying to 747 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,360 like make? Yeah, a little bit, but. 748 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,800 Do you think it's both things though? 749 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,520 Just focusing on the? Do you think she created these 750 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,960 AI generated forever? And also do you think she's 751 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,600 leaking information? Do you think both things are 752 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,520 just one or the other? I don't think Tamra, I don't 753 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,520 think any housewife would go through the trouble of creating 754 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,800 AI. Garbage maybe? 755 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,800 The thing is, like we come from going back to Diana on Beverly 756 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,720 Hills being accused of sticking bots on Garcelle's bots. 757 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,560 Are one thing. But still, it's, it's still, 758 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,720 it's making something out of nothing to attack a castmate. 759 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,640 So this is where we are in Housewives. 760 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,720 I can. I can see Tamara doing it just 761 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,840 because Tamara wants to be proven right. 762 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,040 I really hope that's not the case because I think Tamara 763 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,080 could have been proven right without it. 764 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,040 And that's where it just, it just doesn't make sense for the 765 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:29,000 show to do this because if they have put this idea out there 766 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040 that Tamara has manufactured all of this just for the sake of 767 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,200 being right, then they have essentially fired Tamara again. 768 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,800 Like I don't think there's any way Tamara gets back from it. 769 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,640 Right, if you're well, I think it's more so about leaking 770 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,680 information is worse to them. So to make this case. 771 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,600 Oh yeah. So strongly from this person and 772 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:58,360 to put time stamps and date stamps on all of this to try to 773 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,320 prove a point that Tamara leaked this information. 774 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,080 I don't understand why they do that either. 775 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,600 I was her. I would be very upset seeing. 776 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,960 Especially when they know and they probably had major 777 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,320 negotiations over the fact that Tamara came back to the show 778 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,720 having had a successful podcasting, you know, stint and 779 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,240 knowing that she was going to have these things where she 780 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,720 couldn't talk about the show. And like she had involvement in 781 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,040 this in the press side of things. 782 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,640 Like they it just like it's like playing with fire almost. 783 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,280 I don't think that she would leak information. 784 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,400 I think maybe she might dig up Stop Not Maybe. 785 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,080 I think she would stop, but I don't think that she would leak 786 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,520 information to bloggers because she knows how that could come 787 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,560 back and be proven and hurt her and get her kicked off. 788 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,760 I would agree with that. She's not stupid. 789 00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:01,040 I mean, unless this whole idea of wanting to quit, especially 790 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,320 last year, when what she's going through, she's just like, Oh, 791 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,760 well, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to go down a blame 792 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,160 blaze of glory and you know she. I would say Blazer Gore. 793 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,840 I would say I don't care about this show. 794 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,920 I'll leak things. But again. 795 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,760 No, but like if I'm going to go down, I'm going to be in a ball 796 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,360 of fire. Like I'm not going to like 797 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,920 leave. Like this time, if I'm going to 798 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,520 leave, I'm not going to if I'm going to be the way I want to go 799 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:23,880 out. What? 800 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,360 Is the ball of fire. What is you? 801 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,840 What do you get from the saying leak is leaking this 802 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,800 information? Just that she did it her way 803 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,680 that like instead of being fired this time, it it would be like I 804 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,840 told the story that I wanted to tell. 805 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,080 Like, I mean, we start out if you remember on 2 TS she was 806 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,640 saying you're not going to like me this season and. 807 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,560 Well, I think that's more so like the quitting part and just 808 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,080 being flying off the handle and not being able to control her 809 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,760 emotions. I mean, if you were trying to, 810 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,520 if you were doing something you didn't like to do, but you were 811 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,440 like, and you didn't want to walk away from it, like if 812 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,160 you're trying to get yourself fired, this is a good way to 813 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,400 get. Self sabotage. 814 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,800 Yes it could. Be if she did this, yes, again, 815 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,560 I don't think she would do that either. 816 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,240 I think she would just walk away. 817 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,360 I would hope. So she was going to quit. 818 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,000 If Teddy hadn't talked her into going back, I don't think we 819 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,200 would have seen her the rest of the season. 820 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,800 Yeah. And something Katie would have 821 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,960 flipped through the entire season. 822 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,320 But I'm just saying though. But with that being said, she 823 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,720 went back and she's like, OK, well, if if I was ready to walk 824 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,840 away, like, you know, I'm just doing this for, you know, the 825 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,240 sake of getting paid more like. But you're not getting anything. 826 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:46,320 What I'm getting at is you're not getting at getting anything 827 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,640 from leaking information. That's why it's me. 828 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,560 One, she's not stupid. Two, you're not gaining anything 829 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600 by leaking this information. So this person may have had all 830 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040 the information, but what did they do with it? 831 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,400 It wasn't like with Teresa and Right, right, right. 832 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,240 That and Jen Aiden leaking information. 833 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,800 So I just started laughing. This voice is probably Katie. 834 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,320 It's she's like, Tamara told me what was going on. 835 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,520 But now. But she and Katie were were 836 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,920 good. They were like teaming up 837 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,680 against Spreadsheet, right? Right, right. 838 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,360 So it's like, couldn't be Katie either. 839 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120 You don't gain anything. That's why it's hard. 840 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,960 I can't believe it's Tamara because Tamra would do things to 841 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,960 benefit Tamra and this does not benefit Tamra. 842 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,560 True. Unless you're just trying to 843 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,920 spin a narrative of if she this is how you could have the links 844 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,920 mate be from Tamra if you're leaking information that is 845 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,240 detrimental to Gretchen. If you're saying in this scene 846 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,480 that I shot that there was shot, although when turned on 847 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,200 Gretchen, they kicked her out of a car. 848 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,400 That is something that a Blogger would be like, oh, let's run 849 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,920 with. Sorry, a content creator would 850 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,200 run with and the press would run with of Oh well, they're 851 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,200 shooting. Gretchen gets ostracized by the 852 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,480 whole group. This little it's antsy bullshit 853 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600 of she met with Katie. She ran out of New Orleans. 854 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,880 She fake quits very keywords. She fake quits. 855 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:20,400 It doesn't serve her so it's they it's so dumb. 856 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,240 Not dumb, I've it's. I don't understand why it's. 857 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,000 Silly. There's a lot. 858 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,840 Of no, no, I don't understand why Shannon and Gina and Jim are 859 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,320 so quick to say, well, of course Tamara's leaking information. 860 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,360 Look at the bigger picture about what this does and what, what 861 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,960 puzzle piece, what chess piece does this move? 862 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,800 It doesn't. Again, sometimes they're just 863 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,080 playing checkers though. Yeah, but it doesn't make sense. 864 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,760 Yeah. No, I, I, I'm not in it. 865 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,160 I'm not disagreeing with you there. 866 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,680 It just. That's why I don't believe the 867 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,360 leaks that came from Tamara. That I don't believe. 868 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,120 Could someone have sent her some fake information? 869 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,280 The whole, the whole Gretchen, like, you know, the folk stuff. 870 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,880 Yes. And she ran with that. 871 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080 Yeah. But it supposedly came from I 872 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,040 heart, is what she says. I really need more background 873 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,520 about that, about a three and two. 874 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,720 When I went in to say, how long have you known about this? 875 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,000 How did you hear about it? Because I feel like this has 876 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,600 been going on for a while. So that's the part that still 877 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,040 drives me up the wall. Like Gretchen is not secretively 878 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,760 like, let's go down to Wii Ho and hang out with the gays. 879 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,640 Right, like. She's been very vocal and very 880 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,600 obvious about her conservatism. And this has been brought up on 881 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,600 Reddit for months and months and months. 882 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,880 Yeah, I don't know about right back a year. 883 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,680 I don't know the timeline, but it's not a surprise about 884 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,760 Gretchen's beliefs. Yeah, so. 885 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,080 I'm just trying to think like if we had a friend that like we, 886 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,800 we, we do have friends that we question, they're like, you 887 00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,960 know, are they conservative, they liberal, like, you know, 888 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,280 where do they fall on, on this? Do they support us? 889 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,280 So like if we were to find all of a sudden one of those friends 890 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,240 was just like vocally, like, no, gays are bad. 891 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,040 Like, we knew about it and we're trying to hope for the best. 892 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,280 Like, could that be happening with Heather and Emmel? 893 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,600 You know, all of that? Like, it's got to be a tough 894 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,760 road to walk where you're like, I'm hoping this isn't the case, 895 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,200 but you find yourself there still hoping that this person 896 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,360 doesn't think these horrible things about us. 897 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,240 But then they probably do. Or they're at least friends with 898 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,000 horrible people that just, you know, aren't fun to be around. 899 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,160 Yeah, it's just the whole, like some of my best friends are 900 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,520 right, but it doesn't even matter if are we truly friends 901 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,280 if you're supporting things that don't support me. 902 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,560 And I think that's where Heather definitely comes down to with 903 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,320 this episode and. She got over it so quickly. 904 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,280 She felt so bad. So that car ride back to the 905 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,920 airport where they all felt so bad and Tamara, I think not, I 906 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,400 don't think I know part of Tamara was saying this sucks for 907 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,760 Heather. It's really sad. 908 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,240 But I thought this would be the nail of the coffin. 909 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,520 And that's why she went back to this girl's been doing this to 910 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,600 me for 12 years. I've been saying for so long 911 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,280 that she's horrible. She's not a good person. 912 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,800 She thought this would be the nail of the coffin, and it's 913 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,800 not. I might say she thought I'd be 914 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,760 in the old coffin. Not that she was trying to make 915 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440 the nail happen. Well, she did, but she wasn't. 916 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,440 She wasn't creating. I don't feel like she was like 917 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,000 trying to hammer the nail in. She was just trying to be like, 918 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,240 look, what more do we need to yeah. 919 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,720 Show that she's a bad person and everyone. 920 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,320 Or that it's possible that everything she's been saying 921 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,560 about me is just part of her overall vadnais. 922 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,520 Yeah. Yeah, it just sucks. 923 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,920 And I think, and part of it is what, you know, we're talking 924 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,440 about. Like you like, don't want to 925 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:15,800 feel like these people truly do despise you or really have 926 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,760 something against you. But then when you think about it 927 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,400 or start to analyse it, it's just like, well, why? 928 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,520 What have they done to show me otherwise? 929 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,040 You know, they're not like jumping out and being like, you 930 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,360 know, being supportive of certain things. 931 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,560 They're just, they always have that weird little tickle of 932 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,840 like, this is just not right. So that's, again, that's where 933 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,320 like, I just don't feel, I feel about other podcasts we've 934 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,120 talked to and we've been on like they would just be very much 935 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,320 like, screw Gretchen, you know, like, this is awful. 936 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,200 Why are we even entertaining the idea that she's a good person, 937 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,840 right? But I think that's also what is 938 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,800 worth talking about with these shows. 939 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,280 Right, I thought walking into this, I would just say she's 940 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,360 guilt because I thought they, I didn't expect what happened at 941 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,280 the end, right? I thought it'd be just clearly 942 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,440 Gretchen's horrible, she liked horrible things on Instagram and 943 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,600 instead I'm questioning the the validity of these horrible 944 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,320 things and these screenshots. And now I'm also my mind is 945 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,400 being distracted by the leaks of it all. 946 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,400 So they this was not a well produced episode because. 947 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,640 Or was it we're talking about it they're. 948 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,320 Talking about it, but we're also there's not a clear narrative. 949 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,440 It's very messy. The show's messy, the producers 950 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,320 are messy. It's very muddy and murky. 951 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,600 What I hear you telling me this is like an Oscar film. 952 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,200 It's not a very clear narrative. It's it's an open ending. 953 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,320 What do you feel happened? It's just it's really murky. 954 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,920 Yeah, no, I don't. I don't like it, but at the same 955 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,920 time it is it's thought provoking in a way that I don't 956 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:05,240 expect from my housewives. We were just thinking too hard 957 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,240 about it. We've been accused of that as 958 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:12,640 well, So and like, but it's what I like about these shows. 959 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,640 It's what I think makes them interesting in a point is like 960 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,520 it's not just black and white. It's not cut and dry. 961 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,320 It's complicated. But at the same time, I think in 962 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:32,440 this, in my gut, in this specific case, I think that 963 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:38,040 Gretchen liked those things and I think that she I think she has 964 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,560 a difficult relationship with the gay community. 965 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,720 I just I thought you about to say the truth. 966 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,120 Well, and that I just think that like, you know, she wants to 967 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,360 condemn it because it just doesn't strike her at her at the 968 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,680 surface of being something she wants to support. 969 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,360 But I think she also understands that it's not, you know, binary 970 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,640 literally in the sense that, like, you know, gay people don't 971 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,240 equal bad. But at the same time, it's 972 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,520 probably something she's been fed her entire life. 973 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,800 I'm always, you know. Yeah, so I just, I just don't 974 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,560 want to defend people who I wouldn't. 975 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,880 Question that. We're questioning things. 976 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,280 I want to, I want to help people understand that like, you know, 977 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,200 it's not an easy situation. It's not a clear cut thing. 978 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,000 I also want to help people understand that like, you know, 979 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,280 it's stupid as it sounds. It's, it's as easy as do you 980 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,160 hate people? Oh, you don't. 981 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,800 Well, then why do you, you know, it's like it, it, it's not hard 982 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,240 to love somebody. Just, you know, support people, 983 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480 try not to cut people down, build them up. 984 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,120 You know that's all it takes. No matter who they are. 985 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,160 Except when they're Gretchen. I think to sum up what did 986 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,440 because again, we keep going down the rabbit hole. 987 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,160 Yeah, sorry. No, it's it's no, that's what 988 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,760 we're thinking now that we're at the end of the season. 989 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,200 What did you think of the season and what are you looking forward 990 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,280 to with these this three-part reunion? 991 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,720 I like how you've gotten to become a better interview 992 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,480 question asker. Like these are all things that 993 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,560 like a year ago, you and I would not have been asking what do I 994 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,640 want out of the next three episodes? 995 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:38,680 I want this addressed. They won't do it. 996 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,720 I'm not going to convince myself otherwise. 997 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,000 Not to our satisfaction. Yeah, no, it's going to be very 998 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:51,720 lightly glossed over. I that's a tough question. 999 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,200 They're going to spend a lot of time on Ryan and Jen's whole 1000 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,360 thing. Tamra, Jen Thing. 1001 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,400 Right. I think there's been some time 1002 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,880 on Shannon and you know, where she is independently and like, 1003 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,960 you know, why she wants to support Jen's marriage so much 1004 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,280 and that's to become a thing. Yeah. 1005 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,680 I don't, I don't know how to answer that. 1006 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,680 I really don't like, I think this is a very weird season, but 1007 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,280 I'm, I think I'm too wrapped up in what happened tonight to 1008 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,840 really answer that. I'll I'll be able to ask me that 1009 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,560 same question start of next week before we get into the three. 1010 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,280 It was at the end of the of the three parts. 1011 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,720 You know what we thought about the season. 1012 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,640 Yeah, I think it was a very up and down season. 1013 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:44,480 Some filler episodes, you know, some interesting points, some 1014 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,840 good points or moments. I would say some stronger kind 1015 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120 of interesting words, some strong things, some nice things, 1016 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,720 some good things, some bad things. 1017 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:55,920 True. I too. 1018 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:56,600 Yeah. I guess maybe I can't 1019 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,440 necessarily answer that question either. 1020 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,680 I would say I'm hoping for more clarity in the reunion. 1021 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,600 That's my I'm setting the intention for clarity and it's 1022 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,800 already been shot, but I hope I'm hoping for. 1023 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,080 While you were talking, I really feel I, I don't know, I feel 1024 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:20,320 like they were really trying to make Tamara look vulnerable and 1025 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,160 be vulnerable, but not in a redeeming way. 1026 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,880 This season or just. This entire season, I feel like 1027 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,400 a lot of the the the thread through the season has been 1028 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,720 Tamara's a horrible person and doesn't know what to do about 1029 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,640 it. And I don't know if they're 1030 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,720 trying to do that like in a, it doesn't feel like they're doing 1031 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,680 that in a positive light. Like it seems like the entire 1032 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,600 thread was Tamara's horrible and we shouldn't like her. 1033 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,000 Like, yeah, I mean. Which is a weird thing to do for 1034 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,920 someone that they really hang the entire series upon. 1035 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,080 Right. But then, but she's been cast in 1036 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,400 the role of the villain, and so you're not. 1037 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:14,160 It's interesting, somewhat related, kind of listening to to 1038 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,040 tease and talking about the Salt Lake episodes. 1039 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,000 Tamra talks about how she relates to Lisa so much and how 1040 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,480 she hates her. This is a takedown season and 1041 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,640 etcetera, etcetera, right? So I think relating it to 1042 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,840 herself, but the only person who took down Tamra was Tamra and 1043 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,920 her actions and her quitting and the high emotions. 1044 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,680 And it came from a place of course, as I said before, 1045 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,000 dealing with both the therapy and past traumas and the teddy 1046 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,760 stuff. But she didn't. 1047 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,720 So it's, I understand where it's coming from, but she didn't 1048 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,120 express that in the best way and her actions weren't great. 1049 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,120 And so no one and that the cast was just reacting to what she 1050 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,720 was giving them and they could have given her more grace for 1051 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,000 sure. But they weren't trying to take 1052 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,880 her down. Unless your name is Gretchen and 1053 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,560 your name is Jen, right? You know, Shannon may not like 1054 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,000 Tamara, but she's not trying to take her down. 1055 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,560 She might be petty with her for sure, but she's not. 1056 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,560 Trying to take her Emily wasn't like trying to lift her up 1057 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,200 either. No, but she wasn't trying to. 1058 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,880 She, we're not nor Heather, we're trying to take her down. 1059 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:25,960 Tamara was bringing herself down by her just crazy chaotic 1060 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,760 energy, right? So it's not a fair comparison, 1061 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,840 but I think what's going into what you're saying, yes, they've 1062 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,480 shown her like, I'm very vulnerable, but I'm not 1063 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,760 expressing it well and I'm being an asshole and I'm raging and 1064 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,000 I'm spinning and I'm walking out and I'm quitting every 5 1065 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:46,080 minutes. And so, you know, a one hand, 1066 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,040 it's what they're get, what she's giving them, what they 1067 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,760 have to work with. And on the other hand, it does 1068 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,720 seem as if you're hanging her out to dry. 1069 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,680 And then this last episode especially, running the bus over 1070 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,200 her back. And forth. 1071 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,640 You know, didn't help things so as if I'm her, I would say 1072 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,280 watching all this, why do I keep why do I keep doing this? 1073 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:12,040 Yeah, Why am I coming back? But it's just really next year's 1074 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,520 season 20. Like, is next year going to be a 1075 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,320 tamer of redemption season? Like, is this all to be like, 1076 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,800 last season was bad for me, you know? 1077 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,560 I think if it's going to be that, then she needs to grow. 1078 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,480 And I love Tamra, but she needs to grow. 1079 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,760 Grow a lot needs a lot of water. A lot of growth, a lot of a lot 1080 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,000 of water, a lot of sunshine, enrich that soil. 1081 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,600 You know, take this metaphor, wherever you will go with it, 1082 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,280 you got to you got to do that because you know, this season 1083 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,920 only built off of last season and then throwing whatever she 1084 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,520 could have and Shannon and then spinning and spinning and 1085 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,600 throwing shit at Gin and Gretchen. 1086 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,680 So I think I for sure she needs you back in season 20. 1087 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,920 It's just a definite, you can't lose that. 1088 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,920 But you need to show something more, because otherwise, yes, 1089 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,040 you can carry the show. But if you're carrying it in the 1090 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,320 same old way you've been carrying it, you got to keep 1091 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,360 moving. And people. 1092 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,720 Yeah. It's not just about them moving 1093 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,040 forward. It's about the with other 1094 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,000 people. It's about moving forward with 1095 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,760 yourself. Right. 1096 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,440 And I don't think people like Tamara brings great chaos. 1097 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,680 Yeah. But there's only so much chaos 1098 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,920 you can watch before you're just like, OK, what does this mean? 1099 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,360 Why and my? Eyes turns on you. 1100 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,040 Yeah, so she needs to like bring it back to something meaningful, 1101 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,400 if ever was anything meaningful. I don't know what she did before 1102 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:46,320 she came back, but yeah, it's. So yeah, clarity and the reunion 1103 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,680 and just I hope Andy can make sense of this. 1104 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,200 I love that you keep trying to make sense of this episode that 1105 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,600 we're doing, like we're all over the place. 1106 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,320 Here, oh, it's very all over. The place and hats off to you 1107 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,640 for like I I'm I'm embracing the chaos of this because this what 1108 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,320 we just watched was pretty unhinged. 1109 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,360 I feel the fact that you're like there's 1/2 hour before it got 1110 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,280 unhinged. I'm like. 1111 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,960 Yeah, again, you can't just focus on the last few minutes. 1112 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,240 You know, there were actually some good moments and that are 1113 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,360 like fun. That's also saying you're not 1114 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,800 wrong. You're gonna have fun and the 1115 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,600 drama you have to have the we're riding around on bicycles and 1116 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,960 talking about real shit. And then we're we're ripping 1117 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,400 each other's faces off. But this is like compared to 1118 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,880 like other shows salt like Potomac, whatever. 1119 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,880 This was mild ripping the face off, you know, And then they 1120 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,040 felt bad ripping the face off, like with less than 24 hours 1121 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,040 later. Yeah. 1122 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,040 So. I think I just feel a little, I 1123 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,720 mean, obviously because the whole thing hits close to home 1124 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,760 and like the whole idea of, you know, someone approving or 1125 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,760 disapproving of you know who we are as people. 1126 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,960 Like, I don't know, like it just. 1127 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,360 Yeah. Yeah, it made, it just brings up 1128 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,720 the whole idea of like, how do we have a podcast about a show 1129 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:12,000 where like admittedly most people are, you know, maybe not 1130 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,840 supportive of us, you know, but I don't want to get into that 1131 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,880 right now. But it just it's just thing to 1132 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,400 consider. It's the only thing about for 1133 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,960 like Bravo in general. It's ignoring certain things and 1134 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,160 sometimes we're willing to ignore it more so than others. 1135 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,640 I definitely pick and choose who to ignore in terms of their 1136 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,360 beliefs outside of the show. So I don't know. 1137 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,120 It's, it's a very complicated relationship we have with this 1138 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,040 network and with these housewives, right? 1139 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,160 So, and this definitely brought that to the surface because we 1140 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,400 don't talk about things like this normally so. 1141 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,080 Meanwhile, Liam McSweeney is feeling like, all right, yeah, 1142 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:56,320 that's, you know, complication. That's a whole different thing. 1143 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,960 It is no, but I mean it comes down to the whole idea of like. 1144 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,560 That was they fed me alcohol to try to make me perform like a. 1145 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,360 Bud, but that's the same situation though, where it's 1146 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,120 it's not the same, but similar in that like, you know, we 1147 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,400 support the ridiculous drunkenness of it all, but not 1148 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,240 this side, you know. So there's definitely, I'm not, 1149 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,240 I'm not saying I support the takedown of Bravo, but there's 1150 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,080 definitely the they play both sides of things and it makes it 1151 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,800 difficult sometimes to enjoy. You don't. 1152 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,920 No, I wouldn't bring Leanne to it. 1153 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,200 OK. All right. 1154 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,200 That's a whole another level of messiness that. 1155 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,400 Yeah. No, I agree. 1156 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760 It's not like. I think what you're trying to do 1157 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,680 with the analogy, but all right, you know, housewives analogy. 1158 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,400 Should not make analogies all right. 1159 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,280 Should we move on? Yes. 1160 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,120 Have we beat this to death yet? For sure we have. 1161 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,080 All right, so we'll talk about it next time. 1162 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,240 Till next time, OK?