1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,640 In 2018, Mark created Vancouver True Crime. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,480 It was recently renamed The Dark Mind Detective. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,760 Over the years, Mark has faced every type of abuse imaginable, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,440 including doxing, trolling, and death threats to his children 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,160 from people who created posters and distributed them throughout 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,680 his neighborhood. Of course we know who they are 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,920 and this will not be forgotten but will be dealt with in due 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,720 course. Mark has created cybersecurity 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,600 business called Hydra Shield. 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Why? 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Because everyone deserves a safe online space. 34 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,960 How? Simply e-mail. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Share your concerns. Reach out today for a 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,240 consultation. New York City Apt. 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,840 A prostitute offers their client a cocktail before having sex 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 with him. What the man doesn't know is 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,160 that his drink has been laced with LSD and that the entire 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,800 encounter is being recorded on film. 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,080 Personnel would watch them having sex with the prostitutes 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,680 while high on LSD through one way mirrors. 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,400 In Montreal, a young mother suffering from postpartum 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,320 depression is reduced to a vegetative state. 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,240 He was trying to drive my previous life out. 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,440 In a federal penitentiary in California, a prisoner dies 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,360 after being given massive doses of a muscle relaxant to suppress 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,560 his violent behaviour. These were horrendously damaging 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,320 experiments. And in fact, they just didn't 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,760 give a damn about the people who were the subjects of them. 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,200 These are not scenes made-up in the mind of a novelist or a 52 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,280 screenwriter. They are recreations of actual 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,880 events, examples of top secret mind control experiments funded 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,680 by the United States government. This is way out of the realm of 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,720 fiction or supposition or conspiracy theory or 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,320 speculation. This is absolute documented 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,160 fact. The goal of these experiments is 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,120 to determine if the human mind can be controlled using outside 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,480 forces, drugs, electroshock, hypnosis. 60 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,520 It is a top secret program that reaches terrifying heights in 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,600 the 1950s and 1960s, but has its roots in the Middle Ages. 62 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,040 In 1484, Heinrich Kramer and James Springer publish A 63 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,720 treatise called the Malleus Maleficorum. 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,600 It describes ways to manipulate a person into confession. 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,160 It was in fact, among other things, a cross examination 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,760 manual to extract false confessions from people accused 67 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,200 of being witches. Or, consequently, you have here 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:09,360 the systematic attempt to find techniques to get people to 69 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 report that they were things they were not, or to do things 70 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,400 that they would not otherwise do. 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,480 It is the first, albeit primitive, step towards mind 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,000 control as an offensive lipid to be used against an unwitting 73 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,560 subject. The secret of mind control is to 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 change people outside of their awareness. 75 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,600 So they do your bidding without realizing that that's what 76 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,800 they're doing. For that kind of a technology 77 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,120 you need sophisticated principles either. 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Of brain control or of mind control? 79 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,520 Welcome, listeners, to another gripping episode of The Dark 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Mind Detective, the podcast where we unravel the mysteries 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,880 that lurk within the shadows of the mind. 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,760 I am your host, Mark, and today we'll be diving deep into the 83 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,800 world of mind control as we explore Dave Mcgowan's thrilling 84 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,560 work Programmed to kill. Now this is not your typical. 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,200 True Crime Podcast I consider myself more to be a true crime 86 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,760 variety show. So just imagine a world where 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,160 thoughts are not entirely your own, where clandestine programs 88 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,400 seek to manipulate the very essence of who we are. 89 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,920 In this episode we'll navigate the twists and the turns, the 90 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,440 mind bending narrative. Exploring the deep psychological 91 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,960 depths, the ethical dilemmas, and the suspense that Program to 92 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Kill has to offer, Join me as we peel back the layers of this 93 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,880 intricate story, the boundaries of free will, and the profound 94 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,480 impact of psychological manipulation. 95 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Get ready for a journey that will challenge your perception 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,000 and keep you on the edge of your seat. 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,360 The dark minded Detective where enigma of the mind meets the 98 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,640 thrilling storytelling of yours truly. 99 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Mark your guide through the mystery that lies beneath the 100 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,720 surface. Let's embark on this gripping 101 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,640 exploration together. What if I told you there's a 102 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,360 book that explores the sinister mind control program? 103 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,040 Can you imagine characters unwillingly becoming subjects, 104 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,120 facing challenges and dangers beyond their control? 105 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,080 Have you ever thought about the layers of complexity that the 106 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,480 mind control could add to a narrative? 107 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Are you ready to dwell into a story that raises profound 108 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,320 questions about free will and ethical considerations? 109 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,160 Can you anticipate the potential consequences of psychological 110 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,920 manipulation? What if you could explore a 111 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,400 world where thoughts and actions are not entirely your own? 112 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,400 How? Would you react to such a 113 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:02,000 narrative that dwells into the the psychological impact on 114 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:08,960 individuals and society? The term MK Ultra, only one of 115 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,760 the many code names used by the US intelligence communities over 116 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:20,960 the years, is commonly used to refer to all CIA sponsored 117 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,960 research on mind control. Perhaps the most contentious 118 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,280 theory that listeners and concerns A phenomena known about 119 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:37,040 mind control, Project MK Ultra was a covert and illegal human 120 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,480 experimentation program undertaken by the US Central 121 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Intelligence Agency, the CIA, from 1953 to 1973. 122 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,320 It involved many individuals who became subject of psychiatric 123 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,080 and drug experimentation without their consent. 124 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Some of the notable victims of this project include Frank 125 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,760 Olson. Olson was the United States Army 126 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,360 biochemist and biological weapon researcher. 127 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,760 He was given LSD without his knowledge and consent. 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,520 In November 1953, part of a CIA experiment and died after 129 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:23,320 falling from a 13 story window. A week later, Harold Bloor Bloor 130 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:29,120 died as a result of five four methyl lean dioxyamphetamine 131 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,240 injection, also known as MDA Whitey Bulger, the notorious 132 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,520 crime boss also a victim of MK Ultra projects. 133 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:44,280 Sir Han Sir Han Lawrence Teeter the attorney for Sahan. 134 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Sir Han believed that Sir Han was an operating under MK Ultra 135 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,040 mind control techniques when he assassinated Robert F Kennedy. 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:02,200 Charles Manson Author Tom O'Neill has tied Charles Manson 137 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,080 to the MK Ultra program. Beginning with his time in 138 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,880 prison when Manson took part in drug induced psychological 139 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,920 experiments run by the Federal government, Stan J Caterbone. 140 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:23,120 Caterbone is a pro SE petitioner who claimed has fallen victim to 141 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:29,920 a criminal civil conspiracy related to MK Ultra patients of 142 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,720 doctor Donald Ewan Cameron. Cameron conducted MK Ultra 143 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,120 experiments at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal. 144 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Nine of his patients sued the CIA in 1980 for treatments as 145 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,440 part of the MK Ultra program. The case was settled out of 146 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,840 court in 1988. Patients received compensation, 147 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,960 but the CIA did not accept any liability. 148 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Ted Kaninsky. Also known as a Unabomber, was 149 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,520 indeed a subject of the MK Ultra program. 150 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,120 As a promising 16 year old student at Harvard University, 151 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,520 Kaninsky participated in a study conducted by psychologist Henry 152 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 A Murray. This study, which involved 153 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:26,160 brutalizing psychological experiments, was later reported 154 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:32,320 to be part of the CIA. MK Ultra program. 155 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,200 The experiments that Kaczynski was subject to reportedly harsh 156 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,160 and for involved verbal abuse, humiliation. 157 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,080 These experiments at Harvard span roughly for three years and 158 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,160 are believed to have significantly influenced 159 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,520 Kaninsky's world view and may have contributed to his 160 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,000 transformation into the Unabomber. 161 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Kaninsky's involvement in the MK Ultra program was disclosed in 162 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:11,080 correspondence from prison with Professor Elston Chase, who 163 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,120 later wrote a book about the Unabomber. 164 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,880 Chase argued that Kaninsky's experiment at Harvard helped 165 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,040 shape his anger and legitimize his wrath by the time he 166 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,480 graduated all the Elements. That would ultimately transform 167 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,800 him into the Unabarmor was in place. 168 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Project MK Ultra, initiated by the US Central Intelligence 169 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Agency, the CIA in 1950, had several primary goals. 170 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,640 The overarching object was to develop was to develop 171 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,240 procedures and identify drugs that could be used for mind 172 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,240 control and chemical interrogation. 173 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,920 This was largely in response to reports of Soviet Chinese and N 174 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,520 Koreans use of mind control techniques on US prisoners of 175 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,720 war in Korea. The CIA was interested in using 176 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,200 similar methods on their captives and in manipulating 177 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,240 foreign leaders with such techniques. 178 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,320 One specific goal was to create a Manchurian Candidate, a 179 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,520 subject through mind control techniques. 180 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,200 This involved the use of various drugs, psychotherapy, hypnosis, 181 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,720 and other methods to alter human behavior. 182 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,560 The CIA was also interested in researching how drugs could 183 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:44,800 promote the intoxicating effects of alcohol, rendering the 184 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,600 induction of hypnosis easier enhance the ability of 185 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:57,080 individuals to withstand. Torture, corrosion, and produce 186 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,000 amnesia, shock, and confusion. The program also aimed to 187 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,080 develop a comprehensive capability in the field to 188 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,800 convert chemical and biological warfare, which would give the 189 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:17,640 CIAA thorough knowledge of the enemy's theoretical potential. 190 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,440 This involved research and development of chemical and 191 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,360 biological radioactive materials capable of employment and 192 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:33,200 condestine operations to control human behavior, although Project 193 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,200 MKUltra started out as a research program to formulate 194 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,160 defensive measures against enemy mind and behavior control 195 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:50,680 interrogation techniques. Agency officials quickly began 196 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,800 to explore offensive measures. The program included several 197 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,960 objectives that involved in experimentation with various 198 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,600 drugs, psychotherapy, hypnosis as a way to alter human 199 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,280 behavior. Despite the extensive effort, 200 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,320 the program was ultimately deemed unsuccessful in achieving 201 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,920 this primary goal of mind control. 202 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:23,720 City, Sydney, Sydney patients of Doctor Donald Ewan Cameron 203 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:30,400 Cameron conducted MK Ultra experiments at Allen Memorial 204 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Institute in Montreal. A show will be dedicated to 205 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,160 these human experiments that took place. 206 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,680 With the consent of the Canadian government, nine of his parent 207 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:48,720 patients sued the CIA in 1980 for their treatment as part of 208 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,760 the NK Ultra program. As I said, the case was settled 209 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:59,160 out of court and the CIA of course did not accept any 210 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,760 liability. So when the majority of people 211 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,400 hear mind control. They're naturally skeptical of 212 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,640 the idea of someone's someone's unseen. 213 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Our Western culture really values the idea of free will. 214 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,640 It's very embedded in our culture. 215 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,360 So people have a a natural skepticism when they hear 216 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,680 something like mind control that could be influencing our 217 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,120 thoughts, our actions, our behaviors. 218 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,800 The basic methodology of mind control was a field many decades 219 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,120 ago by George Estebrook, who was a prominent psychiatrist. 220 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,640 He was a prominent psychologist and hypnotist who worked for the 221 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,800 American intelligence agencies, and he published his first 222 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,440 edition of his book, Hypnotism. The Intelligent reader will 223 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,480 understand, Esterbrook teased. His audience in 1943. 224 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,880 When I get this book, I will read the important part so you 225 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,720 can learn more and as an informed listener, can construct 226 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,960 a reasonable, accurate picture by understanding the 227 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:22,200 fundamentals of mind control. The degree to which any given 228 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,000 person is susceptible to mind control is a direct function of 229 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,560 that person success ability. To what is known as 230 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,760 disassociative states. According to the psychiatric 231 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:45,360 community, Disassociate states is the key to mind control in 232 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:52,360 the book Acid Dream of The Complete Social History of LSD, 233 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,440 the CIA in the 60s and Beyond. This is a book. 234 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,280 It's a very captivating book that takes you into the journey 235 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,599 of LSD history, its ties to the CIA, the cultural impact, the 236 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:10,440 tumultuous 1960s and beyond. I'm currently reading this book 237 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,560 and as I dwell into this comprehensive social history and 238 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,800 the revelations about the role of LSD in shaping society. 239 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,680 Is nothing short of mind bending, so stay tuned for 240 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,920 future episodes as we unravel these mysteries within the pages 241 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,640 of Acid Dream. So this is just an introduction. 242 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,080 And as I peel back Dave Mcgowan's great book program, 243 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,640 The Kill, and he starts off the introduction of Mind control, 244 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:52,160 and it's the key to how. The book program The Kill 245 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:59,040 fundamentally made me relook at the typical or the mainstream 246 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,320 narrative of serial killers. Many of these narratives of 247 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,120 serial killers, when you start doing research on them, things 248 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,480 don't quite add up. We'll be exploring mind control 249 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,720 as hence this episode. Also, I have a few goals with my 250 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,840 podcast and with my work as one to archive as much of the 251 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:29,160 interesting. Videos, things that I find, you 252 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,440 know, books, you know, reading from these books, a lot of 253 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,280 things are getting lost. Like, you know, I've been 254 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,280 researching these topics for a very long time and stuff that I 255 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,440 used to be able to look up very easily is now gone. 256 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,440 So I spend a lot of time on the way back machine and I'll find 257 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,320 stuff. So my goal is also to archive 258 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,360 this information, the entering information. 259 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,920 Like, sometimes I'll find an old documentary from the 1970s. 260 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,520 And I'll post it this way to preserve it so people in the 261 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,400 future can have access to it for research. 262 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,720 And I and I have quite a lot of it, so I've been planning to 263 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,600 start breaking it down and posting it. 264 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,720 So if you see some strange mind control videos coming up once in 265 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,680 a while, it's the key purpose is to archive it before it gets 266 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,160 lost. So recently I looked into a 267 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:22,120 folder I collected and I have 46 one hour videos from roughly 268 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:26,640 from the 1960s. To both the 1980s regarding mind 269 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,640 control, CIA experimentation and things like that. 270 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Some of the videos are in really terrible shape, but the audio is 271 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,880 in OK shape. So if anything, I'm going to try 272 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,640 to preserve the audio because I think this is very important 273 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,440 information because so much stuff gets lost down the rabbit 274 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,680 hole in the memory hole. And then it's lost forever. 275 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,960 And I noticed that they rewrite a lot of stuff. 276 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,640 And as they rewrite stuff, it becomes more and more watered 277 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,440 down. And I've been seeing that a lot. 278 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,800 And we live in a kind of a strange time. 279 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,000 If you're listening to me, I'm in Canada. 280 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,000 News is blocked. I am. 281 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,720 I'm. We. 282 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,640 I've had someone send me today as I speak a Wall Street Journal 283 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,720 article. Now, Wall Street Journal is a 284 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,640 pretty mainstream reputable. Newspaper. 285 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,440 One of the best newspapers in my opinion. 286 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,880 And I was not allowed to see the article because I'm in Canada. 287 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,920 So we live in very, very strange time. 288 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,720 So my job really, and I can't emphasize this enough, is 1 to 289 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,720 tell stories, make interesting story, give you food for 290 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,400 thought. I want you, the listeners, to 291 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,440 not to be a conspiracy theorist. I hate that term. 292 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,520 It gets thrown down. It gets thrown a lot as a 293 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,920 pejorative. It's really stupid because any 294 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,840 criminal case really is a conspiracy case, right? 295 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,520 Especially if they're trying to say a bunch of criminals came 296 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,000 together and plan to do something that's a conspiracy, 297 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,560 right? So that that term itself has 298 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,360 been weaponized to people that are thinking, yes, they are some 299 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,520 stupid conspiracy theories out there. 300 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,360 I'm not going to get into them right there because if you, I 301 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,800 just don't want to deal with trolls. 302 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,280 If I say I don't believe in this conspiracy or that conspiracy, 303 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,120 they are some stupid conspiracies out there. 304 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,360 But that being said, there's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of 305 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,400 factual information that's being hidden. 306 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Like even the mainstream news. I couldn't post about a 13 year 307 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,720 old girl that went missing in my community because the news was 308 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,600 blocked. I try to post it over 6 times on 309 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,320 different platforms. It was blocked and taken down at 310 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,160 every step. That is not a conspiracy, that 311 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,760 is a fact. So like I said, with my platform 312 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,120 I have a a few fundamental goals 1. 313 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,600 To archive important information. 314 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,360 Historical information. You, the listener, I believe 315 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,560 that you listen to my podcast because you're a thinking 316 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,080 person, right? I want to give you food for 317 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,400 thought. I want you to see past the 318 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,640 narrative that's being fed to you. 319 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,800 I'm not telling you to listen and believe everything I say. 320 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,240 Do your own research and if you believe that I put out any 321 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,080 information that you can refute, I'll be more than happy to 322 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,360 listen to it. So thank you so much. 323 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,920 We're going to end it here today. 324 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,920 I'm going to do a little bit each day because this is kind of 325 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,600 a heavy subject and I want to give you enough to think about 326 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,680 to digest and and but too much. It's kind of like digesting like 327 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,320 a big pot roast dinner because these are very heavy subjects 328 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 that have very serious implication. 329 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,800 And I hope over time I can build a pretty compelling case that 330 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,960 most things are not what you think they are. 331 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,600 So, thank you so much. My name is Mark. 332 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,000 I am the dark mind detective, and I'm honored for you to be 333 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,680 listening to my stories and my podcast. 334 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,760 I thank you so much. You have a wonderful day. 335 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,400 About LSD and the disastrous effects that it can have than 336 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,160 anybody else at the time knew and they were out there like a 337 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,280 Pied Piper or a Johnny Appleseed throwing out money to encourage 338 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,960 research in this area. Mental hospitals are a favorite 339 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,880 target for CIA experiments where unknowing patients are given 340 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,160 massive doses of LSD. The studies are so secret that 341 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,880 often not even the patient's personal physicians know what is 342 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,640 being tested. And what was hideous about those 343 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,560 experiments is that they were using a population of people who 344 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,120 were suffering from mental illnesses, and then when the 345 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,840 people would later report to their psychologists that they 346 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,720 felt like their minds were being controlled. 347 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,880 This was used as a reason to keep them in the institutions 348 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,680 even longer, although technically they were correct. 349 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,120 And LSD is only part of the MK Ultra story. 350 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,160 Declassified CIA documents reveal funding between 1953 and 351 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:05,520 1964 for 149 different sub projects, many of which combine 352 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,960 drugs with other forms of mind control. 353 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,360 The basic idea is that you soften up the person's mind and 354 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,520 then you can get in there and use other techniques, which 355 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,640 would include hypnosis, pain, electric shock, sensory 356 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,120 deprivation and isolation. Straight verbal brainwashing and 357 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,760 threats to control them and manipulate them however you 358 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,600 want. So the drugs were just part of 359 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,040 the mix? In the mid 1950s, the CIA learns 360 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,120 of just such a kitchen sink approach to mind control. 361 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,560 That's already under way at the Allen Memorial Institute at 362 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,880 McGill University in Montreal, Canada. 363 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Their psychiatrist, Doctor Ewan Cameron, is attempting to cure 364 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 mental illness using a process called deep patterning. 365 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,560 He had some ideas that if you could deep pattern the human 366 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,800 mind, if you could wipe the human mind completely clean of 367 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 all thoughts, then you could pattern in new behaviors. 368 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,200 To the CIA, deep patterning also has obvious significance for 369 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,560 intelligence work. In 1957, they begin funding Dr. 370 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Cameron's work. What Cameron did at the CI as 371 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,720 instigation. Was to put together a 372 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,760 specialized 3 step brainwashing experiment which was conducted 373 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,800 on unwitting people that violated every ethical standard 374 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,720 that the medical profession had been formulating for the past 50 375 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,640 years. In 1957, the CIA begins funding 376 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840 the work of Canadian psychiatrist Doctor Ewan Cameron 377 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,720 after reading about his new and radical brand of psychotherapy. 378 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240 You would basically put somebody to sleep with drugs for many, 379 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,880 many, many days, give them massive doses of electric shock 380 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,120 therapy, literally hundreds of times the normal dosage. 381 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,800 And basically you would reduce the person literally to a 382 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,760 vegetable. And the idea clinically was you 383 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,000 would wipe out either delusions or depression or psychiatric 384 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,560 symptoms. And then when the person came 385 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,760 back to their normal self, which would take months and months and 386 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,440 months, the psychiatric symptoms would be gone. 387 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800 This kind of clinically induced amnesia is of special interest 388 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,960 to the CIA. Doctor Cameron agrees to take 389 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,000 his treatment one step further. In addition to de patterning his 390 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,840 client, he would attempt to re pattern in new thoughts and 391 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,920 behaviors. The CIA funded this experiment 392 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,360 because if you could take a person who was an enemy agent, 393 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,960 erase that personality, and put in a new personality, you have a 394 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240 convert. At the CI as instigation, 395 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,120 Cameron devises a three-step brainwashing experiment. 396 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,560 The three parts consisted of, first, what he called 397 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,480 depatterning, which was the use of LSD and intensive 398 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,120 electroshocks. That's phase one is wiping the 399 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,800 slate clean. Second, was trying to program in 400 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,800 new patterns of behavior by playing tape recorded messages 401 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,880 hundreds and hundreds of thousands of times. 402 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560 The final phase was a two to three-week period where Cameron 403 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,440 would put patients to sleep using barbiturates to try to 404 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,240 suppress any recollection of what had been done to them. 405 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,600 It sounds crazy, It sounds like a Frankenstein type process, but 406 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,160 the fact is he was president of the American Psychiatric 407 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,680 Association and nobody called his act at the time. 408 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,640 In fact he did it to his his paying patients. 409 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,600 People paid for this treatment and unbelievable kind of thing. 410 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,640 There were screams coming out of the of the hospital that wing. 411 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,800 I interviewed nurses and doctors who said we thought something 412 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,320 was going on but you couldn't question Doctor Cameron. 413 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Between 1957 and 1964. Doctor Cameron conducts his mind 414 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,960 control experiments on hundreds of unwitting victims, including 415 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,640 Linda McDonald. Friends have told me because I 416 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120 don't have any memory of that life that I lived. 417 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,320 I probably had postpartum depression, but nobody could 418 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,400 really pin it down because it didn't last. 419 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,880 And so it took about two years in and out of my GPS, my general 420 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,360 practitioner's office, to finally say, look, we can't 421 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,040 figure it out, we don't know what's. 422 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,360 No matter with you, why don't you go to Montreal? 423 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,640 There's this famous doctor there and he'll give you an 424 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,480 assessment. In 1963, at age 25, Linda 425 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,720 McDonald is suffering from what we know today were classic 426 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,640 symptoms of postpartum depression. 427 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,840 She goes to Doctor Ewan Cameron for a three-week evaluation. 428 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Within three weeks, he diagnosed me as an acute schizophrenic. 429 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,840 And he told the children's father that unless the 430 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,720 children's father agreed to let me have this treatment, which he 431 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,040 didn't go into any detail discussing, then I would be 432 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680 institutionalized for the rest of my life. 433 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,600 It's before we started talking about informed consent notions 434 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,440 and so on. You, the doctor said. 435 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,480 Do this. You did it. 436 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,360 One of the great ironies for me of the whole Cameron CIA story 437 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,080 is that the people who were victimized thought they were 438 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200 going to the finest psychiatric hospital in Canada. 439 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,600 Most of them were not suffering from profound schizophrenia or 440 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:28,480 some psychiatric disorder that that might justify some of the 441 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,720 more intrusive techniques that were used on them. 442 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,800 These were people who were suffering from. 443 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Run-of-the-mill common psychiatric ailments. 444 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440 Only by reading her medical records can Linda know what 445 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,680 happened to her more than 30 years ago. 446 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,440 It begins in April 1963 with a deep patterning program 447 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,440 conducted in what Cameron calls the Sleep Room. 448 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:57,400 He sent me to the sleep room and in five weeks I had 109 449 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,240 electroconvulsive shock treatments. 450 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800 And each time she got a treatment, she got six times the 451 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,120 normal dose. So that was literally over 600 452 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,640 times the normal dose that you would get in one ECT treatment? 453 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,440 And mega doses of a hallucinogenic drugs, LSD 454 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,760 included, all at the same time. I had 86 comatose days, deep 455 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,480 coma, sleep and when I woke up five weeks later. 456 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,560 This is according to my file, because, of course, I can't 457 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,440 remember any of this. I was a vegetable. 458 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080 I was. I'd never been in this world 459 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,120 before. I I was a baby completely. 460 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,760 I didn't know who I was. I was incontinent. 461 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,760 I didn't know anything. During repatterning, Linda is 462 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480 dosed with a number of hallucinogenic drugs and 463 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 depressants, while a speaker under her pillow plays a 464 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,600 continuous audio loop. The tape loops that were over 465 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,400 and over and over and over were literally for weeks at a time. 466 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,640 He was trying to drive my previous life out, to take it to 467 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:09,120 0, and the objective was to then put another personality into 468 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 this vegetable. Now I don't know whether he 469 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,520 succeeded because I don't know how much of the life that I've 470 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,120 lived, certainly in the 10 years after, was being dictated by 471 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920 messages in my. I had I I don't know and I'll 472 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,920 never know. When Linda McDonald is released 473 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,280 from Allen Memorial five months later, she has no memory of life 474 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,440 before Doctor Cameron. At the end of the massive ECT 475 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,040 treatment, the D patterning and so on, she was unable to 476 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,480 recognize her husband. Didn't know that she was 477 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,520 married, couldn't state her own name. 478 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Had no idea where she was or what year it was. 479 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,080 The children at this time. We're being taken care of 480 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,880 because of course I was younger than all of these children. 481 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,280 I had a big grown up body and chronologically I was 26 years 482 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,840 old, but I'd only been in this world a few months. 483 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,480 After her release, Linda McDonald receives no follow up 484 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,040 treatment from Doctor Cameron. Other doctors refused to take 485 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,280 her case. A lot of doctors knew or had a 486 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,800 sense that something very covert and unhealthy was happening at 487 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,040 the Allen Memorial with Doctor Cameron and they just did not 488 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,440 want to have anything to do with anybody or any file or any 489 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,600 connection. You got to remember, it's not 490 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,600 just that they were used as experimental Guinea pigs in 491 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,880 untested and damaging experiments. 492 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,000 They were denied. Therapies that could have helped 493 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840 them. Slowly on her own, Linda 494 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,600 McDonald begins to create a new life for herself, completely 495 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,600 unaware of what she now knows about the treatments she 496 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,600 received. The children's father taught me 497 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,120 to read and to play the guitar again. 498 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320 I I used to know how to do that in the other life. 499 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,840 And to drive the car and and my sister-in-law taught me how to 500 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,720 cook. She taught me how to scramble 501 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200 eggs. And I was so excited about that. 502 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,280 In 1984, Linda sees an article in her local newspaper about a 503 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360 lawsuit against the CIA and Allen Memorial. 504 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,920 The litigants are nine former patients of doctor Ewan Cameron. 505 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,640 I'll never forget it because there was a picture of this man 506 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,080 and then this big caption that said Doctor Ewan Cameron 507 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,600 brainwashing Allen Memorial all over the front page. 508 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,120 Well, I my heart stopped because I knew he was my doctor. 509 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,280 I knew that's where I'd been and I started to read. 510 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680 And by the end of the page, I was just shaking. 511 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,960 I was absolutely traumatized. Linda files her own lawsuit and 512 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480 joins over eighty former Cameron patients who will eventually be 513 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,080 awarded compensation by the Canadian government. 514 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,719 Among the victims is Velma Orlikov, the wife of a Canadian 515 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,679 Member of Parliament. But for every involuntary human 516 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,719 subject who is able to uncover his or her role in CIA 517 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,760 experiments, experts believe there are many more who will 518 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,199 never know. There's been thousands and 519 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,920 thousands and thousands and thousands of people subjected to 520 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,679 really damaging, unethical experimentation. 521 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,080 And indeed, thousands of people who have suffered as a result of 522 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,440 government mind control experiments are probably 99% 523 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,120 unaware. Beginning in the fall of 1963, 524 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,159 there is little that can be known about U.S. government mind 525 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,520 control experiments. That's when MK Ultra is replaced 526 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,040 by Project MK Search, which absorbs many of the ongoing mind 527 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,280 control experiments. Dr. Ewan Cameron continues his 528 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,760 deep patterning treatments until mid 1964 when he suddenly and 529 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,560 unexpectedly retires. He dies of a heart attack while 530 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,440 mountain climbing in 1967. M KS search continues until 531 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,160 1972, as do companion mind control projects funded by the 532 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,840 Army, Navy and Air Force. There the paper trail gets very 533 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:33,040 cold. In 1972 when Richard Holmes was 534 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,880 leaving the CIA, he he did a lot of destruction of documents, the 535 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,440 mind control records with among those ordered to be destroyed. 536 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,120 In 1975, after President Ford appoints the Rockefeller 537 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,920 Commission to investigate past CIA abuses, including their drug 538 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,400 program, reporter John Marks begins searching for any 539 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,280 remaining CIA documents relating to mind control experiments. 540 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,280 And when the climate had changed, because there had been 541 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200 a congressional committees investigating the CIA and the 542 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,520 like, I filed this this Freedom of Information request, which 543 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,400 tried to find these particular records. 544 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,080 Somebody out in the archives discovered four or five boxes of 545 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,120 records, which were mainly the financial records and with the 546 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,960 justifications that went along with them. 547 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,600 It is these financial records that form the basis for what we 548 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,920 now. Know I would love to have full 549 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,720 knowledge, but those who knew weren't telling. 550 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520 And I took this as far as I could. 551 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,680 I would say we probably know about 30% of what the CIA did. 552 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,920 Those experiments stopped. However, in terms of the record 553 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:43,640 available to us in the maybe early to mid 1970s, I don't know 554 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080 any researcher who's had any success in finding anything out 555 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,720 about CIA experiments since then. 556 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,360 And we may never know. Because what's left of these 557 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,880 documents is currently classified. 558 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,680 One of the real fundamental abuses of secrecy in our 559 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,800 government still today is the misuse of national security. 560 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,120 Not to protect information that actually has some bearing on the 561 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,560 National Defense of our country, like how to make an atomic bomb, 562 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,960 but rather. To hide misconduct and 563 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,040 embarrassment about misdeeds that have been done by the 564 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,680 government. This is not a a pleasant world 565 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,680 we live in, you know, and there are a lot of nasty people and 566 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,640 things in the world and we need protection from them. 567 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,040 But you don't get protection by becoming the Guinea pigs of the 568 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,160 forces you pay to protect you. And you can't save your mind by 569 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,440 having the people who protect you take your mind. 570 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,720 But secrets die hard. And so do the men who keep the 571 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,040 secrets. Doctor Sidney Gottlieb. 572 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,120 When I deposed him in in Virginia several years ago, he 573 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,480 was completely unrepentant, and it's chilling to sit across the 574 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,400 table from the man who was the architect of so much human 575 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,840 suffering and have him say I was just a patriot. 576 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,120 One of the great tragedies is that no professional 577 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,960 organization. Has censured any of its members 578 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,760 for their involvement in these proceedings. 579 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,560 Nobody has lost the job as a result of it, nobody has lost 580 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,160 status or prestige as a result of it and therefore the message 581 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,800 is do it because you won't be punished for it. 582 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,760 And the question remains, is the government still doing it? 583 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,800 One of the things that was interesting during the 50s is 584 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,440 they were 10 years ahead of the popular research effort. 585 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960 My guess is that they've tried to stay that far ahead. 586 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,960 In fact, they would say they've been irresponsible. 587 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,120 They're not doing their jobs well if they haven't stayed that 588 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,200 far ahead of the curve. We know from articles in U.S. 589 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,360 News and World Report and a magazine called Defense 590 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,280 Electronics that there's a lot of experimentation and 591 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,360 development of non lethal weapons right up to the present. 592 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,880 Non lethal weapons are various forms of energy and radiation, 593 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,760 sound, electromagnetic, and so on. 594 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,760 They're beamed at a target's head or other areas of the body 595 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,400 to control their behavior. Make them sick, Disable them in 596 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640 some way without killing them. But is it being tested on the 597 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,200 knowing subjects, as it was so abusively in the 1950s? 598 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,680 What we know for a fact now, from a wide range of 599 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,440 documentation, is that there's been experimentation on 600 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,800 unwetting civilians. Involving biological weapons, 601 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,960 radiation experimentation, LSD and other forms of mind control 602 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760 experimentation. Given all of that, it's 603 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120 basically implausible that there hasn't been some experimentation 604 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,160 on unwitting citizens using non lethal weapons technology. 605 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,720 The present speculation has its basis in the facts of the past. 606 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,920 What brainwashing and mind control experimentation have 607 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,800 taught us in the 20th century is a rather cruel paradox that for 608 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,800 every advance we make in mental medicine, we can take a step 609 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,080 backward for people who want to use those advances for purposes 610 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,280 of control. We're using a standard. 611 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,120 We're using a prism to judge this stuff that didn't exist at 612 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,240 the time. Now, that doesn't justify 613 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,680 everything and there are gross human rights violations 614 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,560 available here, but I think at this point it's a chapter that 615 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,360 the United States would be better to close. 616 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480 Now is a. Really thorough public review of 617 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440 the history of medical and psychiatric contracting for mind 618 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,280 control purposes. And we need all this out on the 619 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,000 table. We need it acknowledged 620 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,040 otherwise, experts. Say history is doomed to repeat 621 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,240 itself and bring to pass a prophecy made by Aldous Huxley 622 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,720 in his 1932 novel Brave New World. 623 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,280 Brave New World said. We're going to voluntarily turn 624 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,720 over our. Minds and our beliefs and our 625 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:09,120 thoughts to people. And Huxley was right. 626 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,000 Unless we do something to protect our own individual 627 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,040 integrity, or at least our children. 628 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,200 The former head of. MK Ultra doctor Sidney Gottlieb 629 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,360 testified before a Senate committee in 1977. 630 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,800 He admitted that the CIA had administered LSD and other drugs 631 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,840 to people without their knowledge, but insisted mind 632 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520 control was an important part of the Cold War. 633 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,320 Gottlieb died in 1999 at the age of 80 without ever publicly 634 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,680 expressing any regret for his role in the experiments.