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Welcome to the Vancouver. 
True Crime podcast, in this 

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episode of True Crime. 
Gangster stories, I talked to 

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David V about the Metro 
Vancouver, shootings are going 

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on everywhere that are out of 
control David provide some 

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unique insight and experiences 
regarding the subject being a 

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hardcore gangster himself and a 
former hit man. 

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He speaks candidly and very 
openly about his thoughts and 

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ideas in his opinions. 
What's going on? 

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And I think you will find them. 
Interesting yourself. 

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He also shares and provide some 
insight. 

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The differences of doing time on
the west coast opposed to him 

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doing time back east and 
Ontario. 

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So without further Ado, let's 
get in on the episode and I 

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appreciate you so much for 
listening. 

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Have an awesome day. 
All right. 

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One two, three. 
Think we're live. 

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Hello David. 
How you doing? 

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It's been a while since we 
spoke. 

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I'm doing fine. 
Thank you. 

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We, this is our second time 
doing this podcast. 

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So we thought we good to 
re-record it because you know, 

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since we spoke about the all the
shootings going on in Vancouver.

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There's been a lot more and 
quite a few more and, you know, 

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and I thought, you know, maybe 
we can go a little deeper and 

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kind of expand on our last 
conversation, but will pretty 

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much, you know, pretty much be 
the same podcast so that we 

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already recorded Or it's I 
appreciate you helping me out 

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and talking about this. 
Again, I appreciate you spending

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the time and doing that my 
pleasure. 

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So as you probably know, in 
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there's been a lot of shootings.
A lot of yes and you know 

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they've been happening at 
airports shopping malls, public 

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places, and it's pretty 
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And what I was saying to this 
off error, before we started, it

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is what blows me mind blows my 
mind is You know, back in the 

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day the shootings happened in 
nightclubs or parking lots or 

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wild parties. 
Maybe two groups of guys, again,

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to a beef with each other, one 
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things escalate, right? 
Or two different gangs happen to

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show up at the same nightclub 
and they have a big shootout, 

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right? 
And and so you think well, you 

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know, P, if you know, don't go 
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don't drink late at night and 
you'll be okay. 

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However, all the shootings, 
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Happened at places where I take 
my child. 

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Chuck E cheese a father got shot
in front of his kids taking his 

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kids to a birthday party. 
You know, the sports comp the 

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Langley Sports Complex, I had a 
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mall that I go to Willowbrook 
small, the shooting, three in 

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the afternoon. 
You know, I can go on and on but

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they're all places where I take 
my children. 

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Now, these are places or 
shooting so now I feel I'm as 

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light more likely for me to be 
shot with my kid. 

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It'd taken him to a kid 
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a mole, you know, there's Chuck 
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that blows my mind was that 
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about who's doing the shooting. 
It, it's the kids to see it's to

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know you're taking your kids to,
you know, to entertain your 

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children, where children are 
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children are carrying guns but 
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that's my I see it, you know, I 
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where other where their Rivals 
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there. 
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Crazy crazy. 
Well, you know, one of the 

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scenarios and we talked about 
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was breaking down how most of 
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So there was a, there's a gas 
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Langley Surrey area and there's 
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that gas station more times than
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Out. 
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I just we just filled up the gas
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in the car. 
My wife was still alive. 

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We just left that gas station. 
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Maybe I think we actually went 
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driving back and there's this 
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with cops. 
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internet and stuff and shooting 
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shootings do happen at gas 
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typical scenario for Shootings 
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followed around by some, by a 
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car, they follow them around. 
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gas station, they walk up to the
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That particular one at that gas 
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It was a black Mercedes, you 
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eight bullet holes in the front 
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And off they go, you know, 
terrorizing the staff other 

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people I could have just I've 
been there and so there is a 

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definitely a reckless disregard 
for Public Safety and that, that

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scary, then the vehicle to use 
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torched towards. 
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And and yeah, this has been 
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it really started a peak again 
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then it seems to escalate, and 
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getting more Brazen, more 
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And it's just, it's crazy. 
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It's Again you know the scenario
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players the players know what 
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I mean yes it's you know it's 
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steal the vehicle and then after
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you know, they either it's a 
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being told by an adult, you 
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or it's just some gangsters, you
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have done time, you know? 
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weakness to pull a trigger to do
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You gotta have balls. 
Balls. 

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Yeah. 
Okay, yeah. 

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You gotta have balls and 
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it's more than you kiss their. 
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I could be wrong. 
But yeah, yeah, it's crazy. 

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So yeah the scenario is like, 
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there was a gang war try 2009, 
there was a pretty serious gang 

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war and it seemed like the 
players were more established 

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that kind of organized groups if
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Like I'm not really don't worry 
want to name names and stuff 

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like that but you know you get 
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you kind of knew who the players
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research, it's just feels. 
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digging around trying to get 
trying to get some understanding

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on this. 
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or so there's a lot of new Crews
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from Back East Florida. 
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there's they you know, there is 
a lot higher high amount of drug

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sales and be see that that go 
you know, no one can doubt that,

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right? 
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happening in a lot of these 
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percent sure it's just My 
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lot of crew sending Crews here 
thinking, okay? 

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You know, it's a place to set up
shop and if we can establish a 

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little territory or something 
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come because a drug sales and BC
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So, a lot of these, there's a 
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groups and I think I think it's 
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There's almost like a power 
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strong group that seems that 
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I love these little, what's 
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I would disagree with you? 
Yeah, of course. 

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Yeah, I know, know, if anything 
if anything until it's like that

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Crews from coming back out here 
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The guys, from out west here are
putting a stop to it. 

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Yeah, thanks. 
And if anything, you'll Mobsters

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would use to do, we get people 
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the hits here, right? 
And then the guys, from back 

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from Canada, we go out to the 
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all right, you know. 
No, I mean, yes. 

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It's hard to, you know, nobody 
knows nobody. 

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You know what I mean? 
Right? 

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So, so maybe they called, I 
could understand. 

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If they hired them to come up 
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now and then they go back to 
back East that I could relate to

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right. 
But for them to say hey come on 

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and join forces with me now. 
No I wouldn't have right. 

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Yeah well that's why it's good 
to have someone like yourself to

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you know provide you know yes of
some insight because as I said 

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for me it's just It's a, I'm 
guessing, I'm in the dark, 

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right? 
Yeah, I understand. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
And and but, like, what I'm 

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saying is that the It. 
See it, I don't know. 

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It's for one, you know. 
So I posted. 

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Okay. 
Just backing up here. 

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I posted a homicide map on my 
Instagram page, of all the 

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homicides that have taken place 
in about a decade. 

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I think the map covers from 2009
to 2012, he they don't even show

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the, the new ones from 20, 21 
and the maps covered. 

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You can't even see see 
Vancouver, so the on that map, 

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there's about 550. 
Unsolved homicides. 

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Most of them gang shootings. 
Most of them unsolved and and so

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you know if you look at it look 
at it that way there it's almost

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like there's no stopping this 
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until there's something really 
radical like until the police 

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have a very radical different 
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doing obviously is not working, 
you know, the shooting of course

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the police the police 
investigate. 

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Student gangsters really because
they want, they want everybody 

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kill everybody, right? 
You know, good riddance and derp

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and their opinion. 
It'd do any time they will go. 

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Investigate is this like if the 
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like all of a sudden that you 
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gun or something and he's on 
downtown Granville and he lets 

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go of his clip. 
Right? 

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Right right. 
Well then you're going to have 

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to have no choice but to search 
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But you know, third They're like
this gang wars and they're just 

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killing them, but obviously not 
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they're good. 
When other guys dead, that's all

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they. 
Look, there's something look at.

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Do you do? 
That's it. 

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That's how they say it man. 
Good riddance. 

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Yeah, I like how, you know, I 
don't know no position to argue 

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with you in in the facts. 
Yeah the facts. 

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You know I definitely support 
what you're claiming a in 

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another thing. 
That's interesting. 

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This is kind of like digressing 
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so I've been doing a lot of 
research because I'm doing a 

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And and so I've been, I've been 
talking to some various drug 

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dealers that are, you know, have
been speaking to me off the 

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Record. 
But you know the inner workings 

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of the mechanics of at running a
line in the downtown Eastside, 

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you know, the doing big numbers 
and stuff and and just like what

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you're saying is that there are 
agreements that are made between

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the police and the drug dealers.
Okay, you know what if Can if 

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you can, if you can prove that 
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fentanyl will kind of look the 
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And then that's these, this is 
the this is the the feedback 

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that I'm getting like the cops 
because it looks course there's 

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a mass of fentanyl, that's a 
whole nother subject. 

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So so what you're saying it kind
of you know, it feels it rings. 

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True from all the, from other 
scenarios that I've been looking

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at, you know, and I think God 
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put the stop till it to like it.
It's a monster. 

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You're right. 
Yeah. 

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Well, you know Z look at you 
again, like, hey, more, they 

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could more these guys get 
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there, is going to stop, because
everyone's gonna be dead 

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eventually, right? 
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Is, is this is a public outcry, 
if the public isn't in danger, 

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like say I got a, like I said, I
think I'll gun and then I go out

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like that. 
Downtown gravel. 

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And I go into a restaurant. 
What people are eating and I 

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start shooting. 
Not cable. 

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Right? 
Well, the restaurants full, 

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well, they're going to want me. 
They didn't want the shooter 

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because I might do it again, and
then I'm putting other the 

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public lives at risk. 
So I'm I just, you know, they're

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going to get me for that because
I'm putting the public at risk, 

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right? 
But if I'm going to, if I going 

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to go like I say I follow the 
guy the gas station. 

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I put a cap in him in the gas 
station and I don't like a 

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really care that much, you know,
I didn't know one's got hurt. 

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Nobody. 
Hey there, gold. 

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If you look at the few videos 
and see if they if they get 

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lucky and catch you, but they're
not gonna go the narrating. 

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Go out of the way, right out of 
the way to go and solve this 

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case. 
There's no way, it's just not 

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going to waste the taxpayers 
money. 

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No, well, here, the evidence 
definitely supports that because

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they're not being arrested. 
There's not, you know, they're 

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not ringing the men and then the
shootings keep happening and 

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happening and happening. 
Exactly. 

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There's kind of just gonna let 
it happen. 

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Yeah. 
So remember your were talking 

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Last podcast. 
So we're talking about where you

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wouldn't, you are in a situation
where people were coming after 

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you. 
And I, we talked about on the 

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podcast, you know, the Mobsters 
from Buffalo and, and maybe like

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break that down again, when you 
were the hunted, like how like 

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the, the fear, the anxiety of 
that situation? 

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Well, what it was like for you? 
Well, yeah, that time, like I 

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said, I was where I was a 
bouncer at the gasworks then and

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I for, you know, I mean she When
I first, when she, you know, she

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was being raped and for kept 
hostage like that I got upset. 

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So I, you know, I did a number 
on the dude and I didn't pretty 

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bad. 
He was in a coma, but the guy 

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who was with him, you know, gave
a whole different story at the 

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whole line making himself. 
You know, I went in there and 

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robbed them and just a whole 
different story. 

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So, these two players were from 
Buffalo. 

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You guys are from Buffalo. 
So yeah, these guys are from 

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Buffalo and They're here to do 
some business for the horse, 

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track racist, set things up. 
Anyways, you know, they raped 

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the girl and they kept her 
hostage for 24 hours and they 

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didn't pay her. 
So, when she got free, she came 

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to me and she told me what 
happened and me and my friend 

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went up there and we you know 
like the heavy number on these 

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two guys. 
One guy got in a coma. 

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So anyways now the obviously the
business didn't happen and the 

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guy that wasn't in a coma light 
to these guys. 

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Guys saying that I went up there
and I robbed them. 

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And so anyways so now these 
these guys are they're very 

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upset and they're coming to kill
me and the weird scoping out the

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girls, the asking the girls who 
is this day was they can do the 

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girl's name. 
Her name was Linda at that time 

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and they knew who I was and he 
knew Linda and they just they 

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were quiet but they do think at 
any time. 

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I'm here for 500, whatever money
they were offering $1,000. 

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These guys would have just, they
would have buried me right? 

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My life. 
My life was, was just a 

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lingering on on a, on these 
girls. 

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Not taking my name. 
Yeah, hanging over an edge of a 

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cliff. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So I'm at work. 
I tell you, man, I work, I had 

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my friends just had a few 
friends there. 

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They had brought guns and you 
know, kept kept it by the bar 

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and stuff like that, just in 
case. 

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Right. 
But you know yeah I was 

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terrified, man. 
I was terrified. 

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Thank God. 
This guy came out of the coma 

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and told told the guys. 
What really happened? 

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You know, because I would I was 
yeah, I would have been dead in 

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it. 
Yeah, it was very serious but 

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these guys were very, very 
serious people and I, yeah, I 

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was terrified. 
I was terrified. 

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What advice? 
Because, you know a lot of these

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seems like the lot of the 
intended targets. 

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You know they're all like eat on
average during their seem to be 

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20s. 
Kid, that was 14 who got shot 

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are getting shot because, you 
know, and itself is horrible. 

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Yeah. 
But they tend to be in their 

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20s. 
So what advice would you if 

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there were someone listening 
right now? 

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Who could be our potential 
Target of a shooting? 

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What advice would you give them?
Oh, I tell them to think, you 

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know, hey, I go, you had, if you
want to survive, you want to 

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live, if you want to live, you 
have to go to Voice. 

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And you know, tell them what 
Tom, what's up? 

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You know, if you're going to be 
a mr. 

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Solid kid and not rat out your 
friends, you're gonna die. 

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Only way you're gonna survive is
take the Canadian protection, 

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witness act and it's the only 
way you're gonna survive or if 

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you want not going to do that. 
Yeah. 

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You got to get you and your 
family and move out of town. 

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Man, is your only way you're 
gonna survive. 

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No matter if we think you're 
going to just quit and Be good. 

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Now you're still going to get 
you mad. 

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So yeah. 
The only way to survive is go to

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the police and and spill your 
beans man. 

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You know, and change your way of
life is the only way you're 

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going to let man, you know. 
So anyway there was a kid. 

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We assume 20 years old, this is 
in the last couple weeks, 

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there's been so many shootings 
in the last couple weeks, it's 

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hard even to keep track of them 
but this took the scenario that 

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you were just the saying just 
now 20 year old kid. 

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He said He was all out of the 
life. 

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He's done. 
He was through, he's playing 

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basketball with his friends. 
Again in a park lots of children

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around lot of families around 
Saturday afternoon, someone 

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comes on to the basketball court
and pop some right there. 

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That's right. 
Yeah, you know like like like a 

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guy maybe the advice of he if he
was still alive, was to one 

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move. 
Like you said, get, get the hell

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out of Dodge with his family 
with his family. 

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Yeah. 
And then or, you know, sell the 

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police. 
Hey, you know what this The 

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situation, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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But you know what, I think it 
depends how deep you're in, 

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right? 
It's depends how deep your and I

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mean if you're in deep, if 
you're in deep and you want out 

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of there man, you know what you 
got? 

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You know, I mean if you're in 
deep, you got some brains and 

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they that person knows what he 
has to do. 

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He knows he has to go to the 
cops, he's got to run out his 

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friends and he's got to change 
the life. 

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He's got a package to pack up 
his bag, with his family, with 

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his family and go. 
Because he doesn't just no way 

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that he could change. 
Like, even myself even myself 

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man, like just because I'm a 
born-again Christian, and I've 

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been clean for 11 years and I've
been out of prison. 

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Hey, I have a few enemies out 
there. 

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Yes, yeah, we talked, you know, 
for sure. 

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You know, I got to be on, gotta 
watch myself here and there to, 

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I mean, like I'm not scared you.
Come, you come there you got it.

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That's you're gonna do gonna pay
their price if they're gonna 

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come for me. 
No. 

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Thrice. 
All right. 

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I know what I'm up against. 
Yes. 

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And if they do what they're up 
against and if that's what they 

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have to analyze, right? 
And if it's too serious for them

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to handle, yeah, they have to go
to the police and spill the 

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beans. 
And then from there, the police 

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will either put them in the 
Canadian protection act. 

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Are they'll pay him and then get
their parents and get them out 

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of Dodge. 
Right. 

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So anyway so anyway man or 
you're gonna die, you know 

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because they get this code about
ratting it, that's it. 

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That's that's you know what, 
right? 

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But that's the a criminal, using
a word, a word to continue their

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terrorizing. 
I don't be a rat. 

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Well, hey man, if your life in 
danger. 

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Yeah, families. 
Like in danger. 

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So what save yourself man? 
But your family there has been 

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shootings were. 
It seems like families have been

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even if they weren't targeted, 
they were terrorized. 

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There was a shooting and this is
Probably within the last few 

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months they went to their family
home and shot the kid in front 

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of the front of his family. 
Yeah. 

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And then there was another one 
where they went to. 

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Again they went to the his home 
and this is a separate shooting 

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and the uncle got killed being 
the wrong place at the wrong 

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time. 
So yeah, there's different 

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cultures, right? 
Yes. 

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You know, you got your different
cultures and some cultures are 

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just 30 days all give us, 
they'll kill your child will 

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kill. 
Everybody is this who you're 

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involved with right? 
And you know and she if you know

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these people are like that man, 
you gotta be good and you want 

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out of there. 
You know what you gotta do? 

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Yeah, especially if innocent 
people are gonna get hurt for 

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decisions that you might have 
made, right? 

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Yeah, man. 
Yeah, man. 

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Yeah, man, it's, it's these 
times, it's not like the old 

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days, you know, all days. 
As you know you don't touch you 

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don't, you don't go shoot 
somebody at their home with her 

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family. 
Just don't do it, you didn't do 

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that. 
But these days not like is 

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different cultures different 
players and they used to 

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families against you. 
Yes. 

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So yeah, they'll go outside and 
some, and some organizations. 

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Yeah, they all talk your family 
first, then go after you yeah. 

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For sure. 
It's very different, different. 

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Different mentality whole 
different mentality. 

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So you so, yeah. 
My heart goes out to these 

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people that want to, if they 
truly want. 

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Change. 
Yes. 

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They can do it. 
You can do it. 

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You can do it. 
Trust me. 

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You can do it. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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You want to change, you can do 
it. 

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You can do it. 
You can do it. 

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So I was Scottsdale Mall and 
Delta. 

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There was a shooting of a young 
man I believe he was 26 years 

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old and his occupation was a 
correctional guard and it 

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appears that it was a targeted 
shooting. 

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Don't know why they hasn't been 
released any information on why 

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he was targeted. 
So maybe I thought be 

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interesting for you to break 
down. 

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If you were going to go to 
prison and on your rap sheet, 

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you killed a prison guard. 
So what would what does that 

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person facing? 
Well, you know, first of all, 

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the guy is the guy gets, there's
two scenarios if you get can. 

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First of all, you're not going 
to get convicted yet, even if 

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you're not convicted and you're 
going to go, you're going to go 

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into the segregations to not 
going to put you into the pods 

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right on straight into 
segregation, right? 

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And you're going to be in 
segregation till York, okay? 

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If you're if you're court cases 
for a couple of years, wow, 

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you're going to be in 
segregation for two years. 

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No matter how long your case is 
your good, chances are, unless 

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you've got a really, really high
and lawyer right to to be in 

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court, all the money to pay for 
this lawyer to get you out of 

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segregation. 
You're going to be there for to 

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your court case because they're 
not going to let you do. 

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Not going to let you know that 
take the chances of you killing 

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in any. 
Any other staff again, right? 

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That makes sense. 
Yeah, I don't know your it's I 

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tell you that. 
That's You're killing on copper 

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agar. 
Like that one of their own, 

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they're gonna bury you, man, 
they're not. 

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And you're going to be treated 
like shit, you're you know, 

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you're going to want something, 
you gotta call Key up. 

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Yeah, it means for the guard to 
come, he ain't gonna hear you. 

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You're gonna be banging and 
banging to, finally, get an hour

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later. 
You'll come, what do you want? 

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And you tell them what you want 
and two hours later you'll get 

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it, you know? 
Yeah, I know, know the treatment

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will be so terrible. 
Yeah, you guys, it's the worst 

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thing you can do. 
Yeah, I know, she's terrible. 

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Terrible, terrible. 
And then once you get convicted,

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then you're going to go into a 
maximum security supermax right?

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00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:41,500
Yeah. 
Oh yeah, it. 

450
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,500
Did you going to go right into a
supermax? 

451
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Yeah, you're going to be doing 
time there for a couple years 

452
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,200
and then we didn't you could 
work your way into a Max and 

453
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,600
you'll come down to a maximum 
security which would be. 

454
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,900
I can't so West hit, then he'll 
finally make can Aunt, and then 

455
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:01,900
he'll probably do 5 years in, 
Kent. 

456
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:07,200
It made me even more and then 
work his way into a 

457
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,600
medium-security, right, you? 
Oh, yeah, I know. 

458
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,900
It's a tough call. 
When you kill a guard man, it's 

459
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,900
a topical. 
So basically, you're saying 

460
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,800
they're going to be doing hard 
hard time. 

461
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,300
Oh yeah. 
And then also to what we were 

462
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,500
saying because in this is the 
second time we record this 

463
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:25,400
podcast, it will also kind of 
give a like a almost like a 

464
00:25:25,408 --> 00:25:27,900
green light to the inmates. 
That hey, you can treat this guy

465
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,700
like shit. 
Guards are not going to care. 

466
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,300
Well no not really, I mean it 
doesn't work like that, you 

467
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:40,000
know, the inmates aren't going 
to mention. 

468
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,200
It means I got a judge you on 
who you are right, you know your

469
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:48,700
your crime, if you for that 
York, you're a good man. 

470
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,400
A they love you forever that you
know you're a hero in her eyes 

471
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:58,300
but no it's the coppers that's 
gonna it's good. 

472
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,100
To ruin your time and they're 
going to give you and he not 

473
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,200
only the coppers, then you got 
the classification workers. 

474
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,700
You know, the people that are 
that you need to help get you in

475
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,100
and out into into society again,
right? 

476
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,000
They're not gonna help you at 
all. 

477
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,100
They're going to all know that. 
You know, man, I tell you it's 

478
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:22,100
one of the worst has your hero 
to the gate to the inmates, 

479
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:24,600
okay? 
But yeah, you know, you're going

480
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,500
to be your zero to the staff. 
To the classification. 

481
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,700
You're gonna make everything 
they can hard on you. 

482
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,900
Yeah. 
Letter after gonna kill one of 

483
00:26:34,908 --> 00:26:37,600
their own you I need you know 
you probably killed one of their

484
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,300
friends you know, right. 
Yeah. 

485
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:40,800
That's a good point. 
Probably. 

486
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,800
Oh yeah, terrible. 
Terrible. 

487
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,200
Well maybe let's break down then
the difference of you because 

488
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,000
you've done time on back east. 
Of course, you know, we broke 

489
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,300
that down and Gladiator School 
in the Gladiator School podcast.

490
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,700
And then maybe even for the 
someone Listening who maybe has 

491
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:04,100
a prospect of spending time in a
medium-security, prison on the 

492
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:08,000
west coast maybe break down, 
what the first day is going to 

493
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,600
be like for them? 
Yeah, a first date that you are 

494
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,900
coming in your brief. 
You say you're going into mask 

495
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:19,700
we will probably walk into math.
Squeak yeah you even walk in 

496
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,200
there. 
You're going to get your greens 

497
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,300
your you gotta go first to go 
see the doctor and you gotta get

498
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:30,200
all checked up and all that and 
then You got to get all your 

499
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,200
steering on your clothing and 
your gear. 

500
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,300
When you get all that first, 
when you come in, then you go 

501
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,300
see the doctor and then you're 
going to go to your cell, you 

502
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:45,400
know, you and then you just 
gonna write it out when you 

503
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,900
don't find out, when suppertime,
you're going to learn about the 

504
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:54,100
movement. 
You know, when yard is and work 

505
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,200
hours, you're going to learn all
that stuff and programs. 

506
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,200
But you know, You irrigate just 
do it. 

507
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,700
There's nothing. 
There's no life in there. 

508
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:09,500
I mean, you're you're you gotta 
bring yourself, it's all you got

509
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,700
is yourself. 
That's what they call that your 

510
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,400
house. 
That's my house, right? 

511
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,900
You know, till you got your 
house and, you know, just that's

512
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,800
all you got and then you, so 
you're in there all day, it is. 

513
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,100
So when so come suppertime you 
go to your go eat after that, 

514
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:31,300
you got your yard or you guys do
your Wait, you know, then after 

515
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,300
that, your shower up, you, you 
know you want to hang out with 

516
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,000
me because sometime play some 
cards with the boys, then you go

517
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,300
lock up and then the morning 
comes you go eat and then you 

518
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:46,100
got your work or you go to 
school or program. 

519
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:51,400
And after that lunch, you got 
locked up, you got you count, 

520
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,900
get your lunch and then after 
lunch, you're going to go back 

521
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,900
to where you came from, finished
finish that up too. 

522
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Nighttime and comes dinner time 
and you got your yard or your 

523
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,300
your weight pit the or your 
whatever Miracle program, or 

524
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,900
maybe you had a visit or 
something. 

525
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,700
And that's it. 
Thanks over. 

526
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,800
That's your life, man. 
That's your life. 

527
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,000
It's yeah, it's, yeah. 
It's, it's not, it's not no 

528
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,900
party. 
Many people think it's a party. 

529
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:24,900
They get there and they're 
mistaken. 

530
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,100
What are the pitfalls? 
Because he never in Gladiator 

531
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:28,900
school. 
He, we broke down. 

532
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,600
The most important thing is not 
200 people, anything don't get 

533
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,900
involved and you know, things 
that are not your business. 

534
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:40,300
Look, I guess they, what would 
any nuances of doing time 

535
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,400
though, on the west coast from 
from the East back East, there's

536
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,100
any subtle differences, or is it
pretty much the same rules, 

537
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:50,900
apply. 
Pretty much, same rules, apply. 

538
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Yeah, it's pretty much the same 
rules, apply because you got a 

539
00:29:54,008 --> 00:29:58,900
lot of guys from Back East doing
Time Out West to right, and you 

540
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,700
A lot of guys from out, west, 
Going Back, East to sew it, all 

541
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,500
it all it all, balances out the 
same. 

542
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:07,700
Yeah. 
Pretty. 

543
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000
But back, he's just a little 
more harder, right? 

544
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200
It's different because you got 
different cult more cultures 

545
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
back East, right? 
You know, because you got 

546
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,300
Toronto and Houghton Montreal 
and you know, so you got more 

547
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:26,100
black people, more tyin people, 
more, Greek, people you got 

548
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,100
different cultures and all of 
them. 

549
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
So now you A product clicks, 
right? 

550
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,300
A lot of Clicks, in fact, way 
out here, you got the natives, 

551
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,100
you know, the Aboriginal, and 
then you guys did, you know your

552
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,500
friends, just, that's your 
click, you know, but back East. 

553
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,600
It's more more culture clicks, 
right? 

554
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,500
Of course, you know the Italian 
group, you know? 

555
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,600
Yeah. 
The to Oriental group, so, yeah.

556
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,300
It's a whole different whole 
temperament. 

557
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:58,700
It's like a, it's almost like a 
United States mentality, you 

558
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,000
know. 
Way more racially, divided, more

559
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
culturally divided and said, 
yeah. 

560
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,200
So when West Coast is more 
Sager, it's more Blended. 

561
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,200
Yes, because it's morally. 
It's more laid back out here, 

562
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,100
right? 
That's why fine, it's morally 

563
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:17,000
back here and back East. 
It's like in work culture. 

564
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,300
It's a different culture and and
then you have to stick with your

565
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,500
own in. 
Yeah, yeah, that's how it is. 

566
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Yeah, I was mentioning before 2 
is like that when you look at 

567
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,000
these Like, you know, Don Miss 
Collins Bay and and you know, 

568
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,500
even the Kingston, they like 
they like dungeon castles. 

569
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,800
You know, they look they look 
scary look intimidating and you 

570
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,900
know these prisons out here, of 
course I don't want it. 

571
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,800
I don't want to go then that, 
you know, razor wire fencing and

572
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,300
you know they look like you 
know, prison compounds but they 

573
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,600
don't have that dungeon Castle. 
You know, you're going to be 

574
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,000
doing time in this old old. 
You know, prison that's built a 

575
00:31:56,008 --> 00:31:58,200
hundred years ago. 
You know, I'm sure that has a 

576
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,900
psychological Urkel toll, this 
the, the being in being almost 

577
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:05,500
entombed in stone, you know, oh,
big time. 

578
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,000
Yeah. 
Like what Collins be? 

579
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,900
Well, I did seven. 
I did seven solid there. 

580
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Well, you know, I think all I 
seen was the sky, right? 

581
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,500
As you like, you said, your 
entombed and Samantha wall is, I

582
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,700
don't know how high up and then 
you got your Towers. 

583
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,700
So you're not seeing nothing but
the blue sky, right? 

584
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:25,900
That's it. 
And and then what's that, you 

585
00:32:25,908 --> 00:32:29,700
know, your surroundings, you 
know, the yard and the You know,

586
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,400
whatever, but that's all you're 
seeing. 

587
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:35,000
When I, when I got off the plane
and when I went, I landed in 

588
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,800
math. 
Squeak. 

589
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Oh my God, I thought I was in a 
camp, right? 

590
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,200
This is fun. 
I was in blue jeans and I saw 

591
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
the mountains. 
Everything was fast. 

592
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200
I was like oh boy. 
It was sole back, right? 

593
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,900
It compared to compared to, you 
know, Collins baby. 

594
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:55,700
It was like, I loved it. 
I don't ya know if that my mouth

595
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,700
down to you is it was a great 
test. 

596
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:59,800
I can I can do. 
Time here. 

597
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,800
But yeah, but I was a crazy 
person back then, right? 

598
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,700
But you know. 
Yeah, two different, two 

599
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,300
different, two different 
Lifestyles you two different 

600
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,000
Lifestyles. 
Two different Lifestyles. 

601
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Yeah. 
Very very, very different. 

602
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:21,000
Very different. 
Well, okay, my last question for

603
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,700
you, David asked you this before
because, you know, gotten worse.

604
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,900
Second time is but I guess I 
appreciate your patience. 

605
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,700
So, What advice would you give 
to your younger self? 

606
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,500
You can go back and talk to that
17 year old kid. 

607
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,200
What words would you have for 
that young man? 

608
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Kiss. 
I would have, you know, a lot of

609
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:49,000
if I could change that, they 
would be happy doing in their 

610
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,900
life, accomplish that goal 
accomplished that goal and yeah,

611
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:02,000
Forget about, forget about the 
fast cash and and the the 

612
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,100
parties because you know what, 
the you're not gonna get nowhere

613
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,100
in life, doing this because 
eventually, you're going to get 

614
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:12,900
busted or you're going to get 
killed and it's it's not worth 

615
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:16,699
it, it's just not worth it and 
you're better off getting a good

616
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:20,199
life. 
Get out of there while you can 

617
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,600
because there's not many people 
I'm the only one survived out 

618
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,900
of. 
I don't know how many people I'm

619
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,100
there's not many people like me 
alive today. 

620
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,199
Yeah, that is true that picture 
you gave me a long time ago. 

621
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,300
There's a big crew that Italian 
crew and they're all day. 

622
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:38,300
Yeah, exactly. 
I'm gonna say to you that too, 

623
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,600
is that? 
So when you were making a lot of

624
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
money but, you know, for, you 
know, at some of your times when

625
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,300
you're at your Peak and you're 
probably throwing around a lot 

626
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,600
of cash, Probably were generous 
with people, probably buying 

627
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,400
rounds of booze at the bar and 
gifts. 

628
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,400
I was giving away cars. 
Yeah. 

629
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,800
So when you were locked up, how 
many of those people came and 

630
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,300
visit you, or provided you, you 
know, stuff for your commissary 

631
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:08,000
or anything, or letters, or gift
cards or anything, there's only 

632
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,900
one like, there's only one that 
was built that the Colombian. 

633
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:15,300
That's why. 
When I got out, I went working 

634
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:18,500
with the bill is to Colombian 
the only Guy. 

635
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,300
But he had a, he had motives, 
right? 

636
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:25,200
Aren't you had more? 
But generally we're saying is 

637
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,500
that, you know, all those people
who thought were your friends, 

638
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,500
when you're they weren't around 
for you. 

639
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:34,600
Nobody nobody, nobody nobody 
nobody nobody because, you know 

640
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,200
what their, excuse their 
excuses, they can come around 

641
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200
because they don't want to 
write, they don't want the heat,

642
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,400
right? 
Because you want to be 

643
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,000
associated with you, because 
then they then the police will 

644
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
know who he is, right? 
So that's their excuse. 

645
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,500
Right. 
But there's nobody there, 

646
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,800
there's another be nobody there 
and then when even if they were 

647
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,600
there on the outside you think 
they can go help her family's 

648
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,400
here. 
Here's a hundred or a thousand 

649
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,900
dollars will get that today. 
We put that in his account. 

650
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,100
Nobody did that right? 
Nobody. 

651
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,900
I like only that one person but 
he had an interior of motive, 

652
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,600
right? 
As he knew who I was, and he 

653
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,900
knew, he can make a lot of 
money, right? 

654
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,600
But most people that these days,
you're not gonna get nothing. 

655
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,900
You're going to do the time, 
everybody's going to forget. 

656
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,800
What about you? 
They're going to steal from you,

657
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
right? 
If you got a girlfriend to go to

658
00:36:23,008 --> 00:36:25,500
take that from you. 
Yeah, sure. 

659
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,600
Yeah. 
You just lose your mind when 

660
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,500
you're in jail, you're a loser 
and online, and that's why I'm 

661
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,900
saying and that's it. 
That's lucky if you actually 

662
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,100
survive. 
So, if you get to do 10 years in

663
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,700
jail, that's a better than 
spending, you know, six feet 

664
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,600
underground for us, your 
internal Turtle life, right? 

665
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Yeah. 
They did theirs to do when 

666
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,800
you're in prison. 
You might not make it out of 

667
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,900
there. 
That's true, you know? 

668
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,100
This is because it's crazy in 
there. 

669
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,500
You don't really hear. 
You can look at somebody the 

670
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,900
wrong way and they're going to 
kill you, right? 

671
00:36:54,900 --> 00:37:01,800
Yeah, some guy baby doing pills.
People are just people that had 

672
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,200
their heads cut off for peanuts.
Yeah, I could tell you stories 

673
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,300
about death people getting their
head decapitated throwing them 

674
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:11,200
down. 
This down. 

675
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,700
The street. 
Guards heads down the strip. 

676
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,900
Wow. 
Oh man, I could tell you 

677
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:20,600
stories, it's crazy. 
Z it's crazy, you know, you and 

678
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Josh on board, the suicide squad
there. 

679
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:31,400
They they killed all the guards 
and then they broke into the PC 

680
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,100
area and killed them and that's 
when they killed and did killed 

681
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,800
all the guards and they killed 
already killed. 

682
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,900
They all took the seven says 
Cyanide and then they killed 

683
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,000
themselves and I was it was a 
sorry. 

684
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,900
Wow. 
Wow, there we go. 

685
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,000
Any prison I'm talking about 
sometime my God, that sounds 

686
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,700
insane. 
Yeah. 

687
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Oh yeah, I was a crazy. 
So yeah, no, no man, you could, 

688
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:58,800
you can get, oh, look what you 
can be a you walk in a racial 

689
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,500
War they yeah during yard and it
goes a racial War, right? 

690
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,200
And you're stuck in the middle 
and the guys are shooting right 

691
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,300
to break it up and you're 
picking up a bullet for just 

692
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,200
being in the yard, right? 
So there's so many bad scenarios

693
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000
where? 
Oh yeah, it could be so many. 

694
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Oh yeah, your it's a hot your 
I'm telling you man, when you're

695
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,600
in prison. 
If you're a liability better 

696
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,100
telling you you're a liability 
liability man. 

697
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:26,400
Yeah, big time. 
So yeah. 

698
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,500
Yeah. 
If you can get out of this, if 

699
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:33,300
you're listening to me, man, if 
you can get out of this and you 

700
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:36,200
thinking about getting out of 
this, get out of it. 

701
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Yeah. 
Well your own mind was now being

702
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,300
for your family? 
Yeah, get out of it. 

703
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,200
It's not worth it buddy. 
No sweetheart. 

704
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,000
It's just not worth it. 
Yeah, a lot of great can to they

705
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,900
can one of the shooting The 
woman was targeted. 

706
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,600
I don't know where really the 
full details? 

707
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,100
If she was a gangster's 
girlfriend or just in the wrong 

708
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,500
place the wrong time. 
However, a lot of the 

709
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,200
girlfriends, that decide to have
a relationship with these guys 

710
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,900
day and be, they're getting 
Target getting shot themselves, 

711
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,600
you know, being at the wrong 
place wrong time, or, or just 

712
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
targeted. 
I can't get you, but I can get 

713
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,500
your girlfriend. 
Oh, yeah. 

714
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,100
Well, for sure. 
Because, you know, My way of 

715
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:14,900
thinking to back then was it 
says his girlfriend. 

716
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:17,000
She knows everything. 
Yes, you know. 

717
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Sure she does so you grab her. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

718
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,700
No, no, no. 
She's just as bad guilty. 

719
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,500
He just my thank God. 
My daughter, my daughter. 

720
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,800
She learned to concealers quick 
from her dad, you know, because 

721
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,200
she was with this player when 
she found out that this guy was 

722
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,400
a big dealer. 
She found my God $80,000 under 

723
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,500
her bed, one day. 
Yeah, and three ways you put it 

724
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:46,500
together. 
This guy. 

725
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,200
She she dropped him as hot as a 
troop. 

726
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,000
See you later, man. 
She was with him for a few 

727
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,400
years, right? 
And he and she took, he took 

728
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,100
good care. 
Spoiler, you know, clear like 

729
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,900
gold but she knew Right? 
She could get herself, killed 

730
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,700
him being his girlfriend. 
Right? 

731
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,900
And she, let she left him like 
that. 

732
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,300
So, she was very smart. 
I'm very proud of her for doing 

733
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:11,800
that, so that she could move. 
Yes, hold my daughter right now.

734
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,100
She's doing very well for 
herself. 

735
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:15,800
Very well for herself. 
We must be proud. 

736
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,700
Yeah, I'm very proud of her, but
that's why I'm saying though, 

737
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:20,800
he's love these girls. 
They think they like the bad 

738
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,500
boys and they, you know, they 
because they got the car, they 

739
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,800
spend the money, but sweetheart,
if you're listening to this and 

740
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,400
you're with a bad boy, If if 
hitters looking for your 

741
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,600
boyfriend and he wants to, he 
can't find them and he knows 

742
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,500
you. 
He's gonna come looking for you 

743
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,900
to wind him. 
Exactly. 

744
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,400
And you torture you to find him.
Yeah. 

745
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,800
That's brutal. 
And it has happened. 

746
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,600
It has happened. 
Something that you're just 

747
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,500
making up or fantasy. 
This this is how can many times 

748
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,100
is real talk. 
This is real talk. 

749
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,000
You'll kill get. 
It was real bad. 

750
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,100
Didn't you'll have to kill you? 
Well, don't let you go. 

751
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,100
You know, so no matter who was a
bad boy, and he's because he's 

752
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:07,800
got a nice car and he's buying 
buying you things, and you look,

753
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,800
you're going to school and, you 
know, you it's impressive and 

754
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,600
you know, baby get out of there 
while you can because you might 

755
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,300
just beat dad. 
Yeah. 

756
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,800
It has a family too. 
Yeah. 

757
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:22,100
No. 
And it has happened. 

758
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,000
There's barely any of those 
girls that got shot, just being,

759
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,500
you know, wrong place wrong 
time, or just targeted. 

760
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:29,800
Or they're driving their 
boyfriend's car. 

761
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,400
You know what I mean? 
Yeah so there's that. 

762
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:36,700
Well David I really appreciate 
your time. 

763
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I'm going to just do a few 
little edits but I'm going to 

764
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,200
post this up right away and I 
appreciate you having the 

765
00:41:43,207 --> 00:41:46,800
patience to do it two times. 
But I like this, I like this 

766
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,700
interview better. 
I think we went a little more 

767
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,400
deeper and you got to expand a 
lot more and stuff and I really 

768
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,300
appreciate that and I know the 
audience really appreciates that

769
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:57,700
and there's been getting some 
really good reviews, people are 

770
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:01,000
liking what we're doing and and 
I'm I'm happy to do it with you,

771
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,600
so I thank you so much David. 
No, my pleasure, buddy, my 

772
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,200
pleasure. 
All right. 

773
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Well, you have a great day, 
we'll talk soon. 

774
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:10,000
Okay, buddy, take care.