Welcome to the Vancouver. True Crime podcast, in this
episode of True Crime. Gangster stories, I talked to
David V about the Metro Vancouver, shootings are going
on everywhere that are out of control David provide some
unique insight and experiences regarding the subject being a
hardcore gangster himself and a former hit man.
He speaks candidly and very openly about his thoughts and
ideas in his opinions. What's going on?
And I think you will find them. Interesting yourself.
He also shares and provide some insight.
The differences of doing time on the west coast opposed to him
doing time back east and Ontario.
So without further Ado, let's get in on the episode and I
appreciate you so much for listening.
Have an awesome day. All right.
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Hello David. How you doing?
It's been a while since we spoke.
I'm doing fine. Thank you.
We, this is our second time doing this podcast.
So we thought we good to re-record it because you know,
since we spoke about the all the shootings going on in Vancouver.
There's been a lot more and quite a few more and, you know,
and I thought, you know, maybe we can go a little deeper and
kind of expand on our last conversation, but will pretty
much, you know, pretty much be the same podcast so that we
already recorded Or it's I appreciate you helping me out
and talking about this. Again, I appreciate you spending
the time and doing that my pleasure.
So as you probably know, in Vancouver Metro Vancouver,
there's been a lot of shootings. A lot of yes and you know
they've been happening at airports shopping malls, public
places, and it's pretty concerning.
And what I was saying to this off error, before we started, it
is what blows me mind blows my mind is You know, back in the
day the shootings happened in nightclubs or parking lots or
wild parties. Maybe two groups of guys, again,
to a beef with each other, one of them has a gun and, you know,
things escalate, right? Or two different gangs happen to
show up at the same nightclub and they have a big shootout,
right? And and so you think well, you
know, P, if you know, don't go too late night night clubs,
don't drink late at night and you'll be okay.
However, all the shootings, especially around me have
Happened at places where I take my child.
Chuck E cheese a father got shot in front of his kids taking his
kids to a birthday party. You know, the sports comp the
Langley Sports Complex, I had a kindergarten party there, the
mall that I go to Willowbrook small, the shooting, three in
the afternoon. You know, I can go on and on but
they're all places where I take my children.
Now, these are places or shooting so now I feel I'm as
light more likely for me to be shot with my kid.
It'd taken him to a kid somewhere, where I take the kids
a mole, you know, there's Chuck E cheese so you know it so that
that blows my mind was that tells you you just the scenario
about who's doing the shooting. It, it's the kids to see it's to
know you're taking your kids to, you know, to entertain your
children, where children are being entertained in these
children are carrying guns but you know that's that's that's
that's my I see it, you know, I said kids are going to places
where other where their Rivals are and they're shooting on
there. Yeah, it's awesome.
Crazy crazy. Well, you know, one of the
scenarios and we talked about this in the last podcast and I
was breaking down how most of these shootings happened.
So there was a, there's a gas station, you know, I live in
Langley Surrey area and there's a, there's a gas station, I use
that gas station more times than I can count.
Out. And this happened about 2019.
I just we just filled up the gas with the where they're both kids
in the car. My wife was still alive.
We just left that gas station. We went somewhere.
Maybe I think we actually went to the mall and then we're
driving back and there's this the whole parking lots filled
with cops. So of course, I check on the
internet and stuff and shooting and and so a lot of these
shootings do happen at gas stations and the seems like the
typical scenario for Shootings as this is that the target is
followed around by some, by a group of Shooters and a stolen
car, they follow them around. And if they happen to stop at a
gas station, they walk up to the car pop, pop, pop, pop pop.
That particular one at that gas station in Langley.
It was a black Mercedes, you know, and those G wagons and
eight bullet holes in the front window.
And off they go, you know, terrorizing the staff other
people I could have just I've been there and so there is a
definitely a reckless disregard for Public Safety and that, that
scary, then the vehicle to use is usually taken somewhere and
torched towards. Yep.
And and yeah, this has been going on for I would say 2019,
it really started a peak again and then it's been Non-Stop and
then it seems to escalate, and escalate, and escalate, and
getting more Brazen, more public.
And it's just, it's crazy. Yeah.
It's Again you know the scenario just tells me again that the
players the players know what they're doing.
I mean yes it's you know it's it's Reckless but to burn to to
steal the vehicle and then after the shooting tend to burn it,
you know, they either it's a younger so you don't go group
being told by an adult, you know, push him to do the crime
or it's just some gangsters, you know, a lot of gangsters that
have done time, you know? Because it is this is a serious
weakness to pull a trigger to do that.
You gotta have balls. Balls.
Yeah. Okay, yeah.
You gotta have balls and something like that tells me,
it's more than you kiss their. Yeah.
I could be wrong. But yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
So yeah the scenario is like, you know, back in 2008 when
there was a gang war try 2009, there was a pretty serious gang
war and it seemed like the players were more established
that kind of organized groups if that makes sense.
Like I'm not really don't worry want to name names and stuff
like that but you know you get the idea in it and it felt like
you kind of knew who the players were so, and in doing some
research, it's just feels. And Is what I've, you know,
digging around trying to get trying to get some understanding
on this. It seems like in the last year
or so there's a lot of new Crews that have come to town law them
from Back East Florida. And I think what it is is that
there's they you know, there is a lot higher high amount of drug
sales and be see that that go you know, no one can doubt that,
right? So I what I think what's
happening in a lot of these cases and I'm not a hundred
percent sure it's just My speculation is that there's a
lot of crew sending Crews here thinking, okay?
You know, it's a place to set up shop and if we can establish a
little territory or something that the money's is going to
come because a drug sales and BC are enormous.
So, a lot of these, there's a lot of New Comers and lot of new
groups and I think I think it's just the pool.
There's almost like a power vacuum, there's not one big
strong group that seems that control everything.
I love these little, what's that?
I would disagree with you? Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I know, know, if anything if anything until it's like that
Crews from coming back out here from bikies up here.
The guys, from out west here are putting a stop to it.
Yeah, thanks. And if anything, you'll Mobsters
would use to do, we get people from the states to come and do
the hits here, right? And then the guys, from back
from Canada, we go out to the states and do, they had stare,
all right, you know. No, I mean, yes.
It's hard to, you know, nobody knows nobody.
You know what I mean? Right?
So, so maybe they called, I could understand.
If they hired them to come up here to do some shooting right
now and then they go back to back East that I could relate to
right. But for them to say hey come on
and join forces with me now. No I wouldn't have right.
Yeah well that's why it's good to have someone like yourself to
you know provide you know yes of some insight because as I said
for me it's just It's a, I'm guessing, I'm in the dark,
right? Yeah, I understand.
Yeah, for sure. And and but, like, what I'm
saying is that the It. See it, I don't know.
It's for one, you know. So I posted.
Okay. Just backing up here.
I posted a homicide map on my Instagram page, of all the
homicides that have taken place in about a decade.
I think the map covers from 2009 to 2012, he they don't even show
the, the new ones from 20, 21 and the maps covered.
You can't even see see Vancouver, so the on that map,
there's about 550. Unsolved homicides.
Most of them gang shootings. Most of them unsolved and and so
you know if you look at it look at it that way there it's almost
like there's no stopping this this is going to continue on
until there's something really radical like until the police
have a very radical different approach because what they're
doing obviously is not working, you know, the shooting of course
the police the police investigate.
Student gangsters really because they want, they want everybody
kill everybody, right? You know, good riddance and derp
and their opinion. It'd do any time they will go.
Investigate is this like if the civilians lives are in danger
like all of a sudden that you know, the guy got a gun machine
gun or something and he's on downtown Granville and he lets
go of his clip. Right?
Right right. Well then you're going to have
to have no choice but to search this guy out.
But you know, third They're like this gang wars and they're just
killing them, but obviously not gonna go out of their way,
they're good. When other guys dead, that's all
they. Look, there's something look at.
Do you do? That's it.
That's how they say it man. Good riddance.
Yeah, I like how, you know, I don't know no position to argue
with you in in the facts. Yeah the facts.
You know I definitely support what you're claiming a in
another thing. That's interesting.
This is kind of like digressing off the topic of gang shooting
so I've been doing a lot of research because I'm doing a
series. In the downtown Eastside.
And and so I've been, I've been talking to some various drug
dealers that are, you know, have been speaking to me off the
Record. But you know the inner workings
of the mechanics of at running a line in the downtown Eastside,
you know, the doing big numbers and stuff and and just like what
you're saying is that there are agreements that are made between
the police and the drug dealers. Okay, you know what if Can if
you can, if you can prove that your dope is not filled with
fentanyl will kind of look the other way.
And then that's these, this is the this is the the feedback
that I'm getting like the cops because it looks course there's
a mass of fentanyl, that's a whole nother subject.
So so what you're saying it kind of you know, it feels it rings.
True from all the, from other scenarios that I've been looking
at, you know, and I think God would want the job of trying to
put the stop till it to like it. It's a monster.
You're right. Yeah.
Well, you know Z look at you again, like, hey, more, they
could more these guys get killed, then it's gonna end in
there, is going to stop, because everyone's gonna be dead
eventually, right? Right.
Is, is this is a public outcry, if the public isn't in danger,
like say I got a, like I said, I think I'll gun and then I go out
like that. Downtown gravel.
And I go into a restaurant. What people are eating and I
start shooting. Not cable.
Right? Well, the restaurants full,
well, they're going to want me. They didn't want the shooter
because I might do it again, and then I'm putting other the
public lives at risk. So I'm I just, you know, they're
going to get me for that because I'm putting the public at risk,
right? But if I'm going to, if I going
to go like I say I follow the guy the gas station.
I put a cap in him in the gas station and I don't like a
really care that much, you know, I didn't know one's got hurt.
Nobody. Hey there, gold.
If you look at the few videos and see if they if they get
lucky and catch you, but they're not gonna go the narrating.
Go out of the way, right out of the way to go and solve this
case. There's no way, it's just not
going to waste the taxpayers money.
No, well, here, the evidence definitely supports that because
they're not being arrested. There's not, you know, they're
not ringing the men and then the shootings keep happening and
happening and happening. Exactly.
There's kind of just gonna let it happen.
Yeah. So remember your were talking
Last podcast. So we're talking about where you
wouldn't, you are in a situation where people were coming after
you. And I, we talked about on the
podcast, you know, the Mobsters from Buffalo and, and maybe like
break that down again, when you were the hunted, like how like
the, the fear, the anxiety of that situation?
Well, what it was like for you? Well, yeah, that time, like I
said, I was where I was a bouncer at the gasworks then and
I for, you know, I mean she When I first, when she, you know, she
was being raped and for kept hostage like that I got upset.
So I, you know, I did a number on the dude and I didn't pretty
bad. He was in a coma, but the guy
who was with him, you know, gave a whole different story at the
whole line making himself. You know, I went in there and
robbed them and just a whole different story.
So, these two players were from Buffalo.
You guys are from Buffalo. So yeah, these guys are from
Buffalo and They're here to do some business for the horse,
track racist, set things up. Anyways, you know, they raped
the girl and they kept her hostage for 24 hours and they
didn't pay her. So, when she got free, she came
to me and she told me what happened and me and my friend
went up there and we you know like the heavy number on these
two guys. One guy got in a coma.
So anyways now the obviously the business didn't happen and the
guy that wasn't in a coma light to these guys.
Guys saying that I went up there and I robbed them.
And so anyways so now these these guys are they're very
upset and they're coming to kill me and the weird scoping out the
girls, the asking the girls who is this day was they can do the
girl's name. Her name was Linda at that time
and they knew who I was and he knew Linda and they just they
were quiet but they do think at any time.
I'm here for 500, whatever money they were offering $1,000.
These guys would have just, they would have buried me right?
My life. My life was, was just a
lingering on on a, on these girls.
Not taking my name. Yeah, hanging over an edge of a
cliff. Yeah, yeah.
So I'm at work. I tell you, man, I work, I had
my friends just had a few friends there.
They had brought guns and you know, kept kept it by the bar
and stuff like that, just in case.
Right. But you know yeah I was
terrified, man. I was terrified.
Thank God. This guy came out of the coma
and told told the guys. What really happened?
You know, because I would I was yeah, I would have been dead in
it. Yeah, it was very serious but
these guys were very, very serious people and I, yeah, I
was terrified. I was terrified.
What advice? Because, you know a lot of these
seems like the lot of the intended targets.
You know they're all like eat on average during their seem to be
20s. Kid, that was 14 who got shot
are getting shot because, you know, and itself is horrible.
Yeah. But they tend to be in their
20s. So what advice would you if
there were someone listening right now?
Who could be our potential Target of a shooting?
What advice would you give them? Oh, I tell them to think, you
know, hey, I go, you had, if you want to survive, you want to
live, if you want to live, you have to go to Voice.
And you know, tell them what Tom, what's up?
You know, if you're going to be a mr.
Solid kid and not rat out your friends, you're gonna die.
Only way you're gonna survive is take the Canadian protection,
witness act and it's the only way you're gonna survive or if
you want not going to do that. Yeah.
You got to get you and your family and move out of town.
Man, is your only way you're gonna survive.
No matter if we think you're going to just quit and Be good.
Now you're still going to get you mad.
So yeah. The only way to survive is go to
the police and and spill your beans man.
You know, and change your way of life is the only way you're
going to let man, you know. So anyway there was a kid.
We assume 20 years old, this is in the last couple weeks,
there's been so many shootings in the last couple weeks, it's
hard even to keep track of them but this took the scenario that
you were just the saying just now 20 year old kid.
He said He was all out of the life.
He's done. He was through, he's playing
basketball with his friends. Again in a park lots of children
around lot of families around Saturday afternoon, someone
comes on to the basketball court and pop some right there.
That's right. Yeah, you know like like like a
guy maybe the advice of he if he was still alive, was to one
move. Like you said, get, get the hell
out of Dodge with his family with his family.
Yeah. And then or, you know, sell the
police. Hey, you know what this The
situation, right? Yeah, yeah.
But you know what, I think it depends how deep you're in,
right? It's depends how deep your and I
mean if you're in deep, if you're in deep and you want out
of there man, you know what you got?
You know, I mean if you're in deep, you got some brains and
they that person knows what he has to do.
He knows he has to go to the cops, he's got to run out his
friends and he's got to change the life.
He's got a package to pack up his bag, with his family, with
his family and go. Because he doesn't just no way
that he could change. Like, even myself even myself
man, like just because I'm a born-again Christian, and I've
been clean for 11 years and I've been out of prison.
Hey, I have a few enemies out there.
Yes, yeah, we talked, you know, for sure.
You know, I got to be on, gotta watch myself here and there to,
I mean, like I'm not scared you. Come, you come there you got it.
That's you're gonna do gonna pay their price if they're gonna
come for me. No.
Thrice. All right.
I know what I'm up against. Yes.
And if they do what they're up against and if that's what they
have to analyze, right? And if it's too serious for them
to handle, yeah, they have to go to the police and spill the
beans. And then from there, the police
will either put them in the Canadian protection act.
Are they'll pay him and then get their parents and get them out
of Dodge. Right.
So anyway so anyway man or you're gonna die, you know
because they get this code about ratting it, that's it.
That's that's you know what, right?
But that's the a criminal, using a word, a word to continue their
terrorizing. I don't be a rat.
Well, hey man, if your life in danger.
Yeah, families. Like in danger.
So what save yourself man? But your family there has been
shootings were. It seems like families have been
even if they weren't targeted, they were terrorized.
There was a shooting and this is Probably within the last few
months they went to their family home and shot the kid in front
of the front of his family. Yeah.
And then there was another one where they went to.
Again they went to the his home and this is a separate shooting
and the uncle got killed being the wrong place at the wrong
time. So yeah, there's different
cultures, right? Yes.
You know, you got your different cultures and some cultures are
just 30 days all give us, they'll kill your child will
kill. Everybody is this who you're
involved with right? And you know and she if you know
these people are like that man, you gotta be good and you want
out of there. You know what you gotta do?
Yeah, especially if innocent people are gonna get hurt for
decisions that you might have made, right?
Yeah, man. Yeah, man.
Yeah, man, it's, it's these times, it's not like the old
days, you know, all days. As you know you don't touch you
don't, you don't go shoot somebody at their home with her
family. Just don't do it, you didn't do
that. But these days not like is
different cultures different players and they used to
families against you. Yes.
So yeah, they'll go outside and some, and some organizations.
Yeah, they all talk your family first, then go after you yeah.
For sure. It's very different, different.
Different mentality whole different mentality.
So you so, yeah. My heart goes out to these
people that want to, if they truly want.
Change. Yes.
They can do it. You can do it.
Trust me.
You can do it. Yeah, for sure.
You want to change, you can do it.
You can do it. You can do it.
So I was Scottsdale Mall and Delta.
There was a shooting of a young man I believe he was 26 years
old and his occupation was a correctional guard and it
appears that it was a targeted shooting.
Don't know why they hasn't been released any information on why
he was targeted. So maybe I thought be
interesting for you to break down.
If you were going to go to prison and on your rap sheet,
you killed a prison guard. So what would what does that
person facing? Well, you know, first of all,
the guy is the guy gets, there's two scenarios if you get can.
First of all, you're not going to get convicted yet, even if
you're not convicted and you're going to go, you're going to go
into the segregations to not going to put you into the pods
right on straight into segregation, right?
And you're going to be in segregation till York, okay?
If you're if you're court cases for a couple of years, wow,
you're going to be in segregation for two years.
No matter how long your case is your good, chances are, unless
you've got a really, really high and lawyer right to to be in
court, all the money to pay for this lawyer to get you out of
segregation. You're going to be there for to
your court case because they're not going to let you do.
Not going to let you know that take the chances of you killing
in any. Any other staff again, right?
That makes sense. Yeah, I don't know your it's I
tell you that. That's You're killing on copper
agar. Like that one of their own,
they're gonna bury you, man, they're not.
And you're going to be treated like shit, you're you know,
you're going to want something, you gotta call Key up.
Yeah, it means for the guard to come, he ain't gonna hear you.
You're gonna be banging and banging to, finally, get an hour
later. You'll come, what do you want?
And you tell them what you want and two hours later you'll get
it, you know? Yeah, I know, know the treatment
will be so terrible. Yeah, you guys, it's the worst
thing you can do. Yeah, I know, she's terrible.
Terrible, terrible. And then once you get convicted,
then you're going to go into a maximum security supermax right?
Yeah. Oh yeah, it.
Did you going to go right into a supermax?
Yeah, you're going to be doing time there for a couple years
and then we didn't you could work your way into a Max and
you'll come down to a maximum security which would be.
I can't so West hit, then he'll finally make can Aunt, and then
he'll probably do 5 years in, Kent.
It made me even more and then work his way into a
medium-security, right, you? Oh, yeah, I know.
It's a tough call. When you kill a guard man, it's
a topical. So basically, you're saying
they're going to be doing hard hard time.
Oh yeah. And then also to what we were
saying because in this is the second time we record this
podcast, it will also kind of give a like a almost like a
green light to the inmates. That hey, you can treat this guy
like shit. Guards are not going to care.
Well no not really, I mean it doesn't work like that, you
know, the inmates aren't going to mention.
It means I got a judge you on who you are right, you know your
your crime, if you for that York, you're a good man.
A they love you forever that you know you're a hero in her eyes
but no it's the coppers that's gonna it's good.
To ruin your time and they're going to give you and he not
only the coppers, then you got the classification workers.
You know, the people that are that you need to help get you in
and out into into society again, right?
They're not gonna help you at all.
They're going to all know that. You know, man, I tell you it's
one of the worst has your hero to the gate to the inmates,
okay? But yeah, you know, you're going
to be your zero to the staff. To the classification.
You're gonna make everything they can hard on you.
Yeah. Letter after gonna kill one of
their own you I need you know you probably killed one of their
friends you know, right. Yeah.
That's a good point. Probably.
Oh yeah, terrible. Terrible.
Well maybe let's break down then the difference of you because
you've done time on back east. Of course, you know, we broke
that down and Gladiator School in the Gladiator School podcast.
And then maybe even for the someone Listening who maybe has
a prospect of spending time in a medium-security, prison on the
west coast maybe break down, what the first day is going to
be like for them? Yeah, a first date that you are
coming in your brief. You say you're going into mask
we will probably walk into math. Squeak yeah you even walk in
there. You're going to get your greens
your you gotta go first to go see the doctor and you gotta get
all checked up and all that and then You got to get all your
steering on your clothing and your gear.
When you get all that first, when you come in, then you go
see the doctor and then you're going to go to your cell, you
know, you and then you just gonna write it out when you
don't find out, when suppertime, you're going to learn about the
movement. You know, when yard is and work
hours, you're going to learn all that stuff and programs.
But you know, You irrigate just do it.
There's nothing. There's no life in there.
I mean, you're you're you gotta bring yourself, it's all you got
is yourself. That's what they call that your
house. That's my house, right?
You know, till you got your house and, you know, just that's
all you got and then you, so you're in there all day, it is.
So when so come suppertime you go to your go eat after that,
you got your yard or you guys do your Wait, you know, then after
that, your shower up, you, you know you want to hang out with
me because sometime play some cards with the boys, then you go
lock up and then the morning comes you go eat and then you
got your work or you go to school or program.
And after that lunch, you got locked up, you got you count,
get your lunch and then after lunch, you're going to go back
to where you came from, finished finish that up too.
Nighttime and comes dinner time and you got your yard or your
your weight pit the or your whatever Miracle program, or
maybe you had a visit or something.
And that's it. Thanks over.
That's your life, man. That's your life.
It's yeah, it's, yeah. It's, it's not, it's not no
party. Many people think it's a party.
They get there and they're mistaken.
What are the pitfalls? Because he never in Gladiator
school. He, we broke down.
The most important thing is not 200 people, anything don't get
involved and you know, things that are not your business.
Look, I guess they, what would any nuances of doing time
though, on the west coast from from the East back East, there's
any subtle differences, or is it pretty much the same rules,
apply. Pretty much, same rules, apply.
Yeah, it's pretty much the same rules, apply because you got a
lot of guys from Back East doing Time Out West to right, and you
A lot of guys from out, west, Going Back, East to sew it, all
it all it all, balances out the same.
Yeah. Pretty.
But back, he's just a little more harder, right?
It's different because you got different cult more cultures
back East, right? You know, because you got
Toronto and Houghton Montreal and you know, so you got more
black people, more tyin people, more, Greek, people you got
different cultures and all of them.
So now you A product clicks, right?
A lot of Clicks, in fact, way out here, you got the natives,
you know, the Aboriginal, and then you guys did, you know your
friends, just, that's your click, you know, but back East.
It's more more culture clicks, right?
Of course, you know the Italian group, you know?
Yeah. The to Oriental group, so, yeah.
It's a whole different whole temperament.
It's like a, it's almost like a United States mentality, you
know. Way more racially, divided, more
culturally divided and said, yeah.
So when West Coast is more Sager, it's more Blended.
Yes, because it's morally. It's more laid back out here,
right? That's why fine, it's morally
back here and back East. It's like in work culture.
It's a different culture and and then you have to stick with your
own in. Yeah, yeah, that's how it is.
Yeah, I was mentioning before 2 is like that when you look at
these Like, you know, Don Miss Collins Bay and and you know,
even the Kingston, they like they like dungeon castles.
You know, they look they look scary look intimidating and you
know these prisons out here, of course I don't want it.
I don't want to go then that, you know, razor wire fencing and
you know they look like you know, prison compounds but they
don't have that dungeon Castle. You know, you're going to be
doing time in this old old. You know, prison that's built a
hundred years ago. You know, I'm sure that has a
psychological Urkel toll, this the, the being in being almost
entombed in stone, you know, oh, big time.
Yeah. Like what Collins be?
Well, I did seven. I did seven solid there.
Well, you know, I think all I seen was the sky, right?
As you like, you said, your entombed and Samantha wall is, I
don't know how high up and then you got your Towers.
So you're not seeing nothing but the blue sky, right?
That's it. And and then what's that, you
know, your surroundings, you know, the yard and the You know,
whatever, but that's all you're seeing.
When I, when I got off the plane and when I went, I landed in
math. Squeak.
Oh my God, I thought I was in a camp, right?
This is fun. I was in blue jeans and I saw
the mountains. Everything was fast.
I was like oh boy. It was sole back, right?
It compared to compared to, you know, Collins baby.
It was like, I loved it. I don't ya know if that my mouth
down to you is it was a great test.
I can I can do. Time here.
But yeah, but I was a crazy person back then, right?
But you know. Yeah, two different, two
different, two different Lifestyles you two different
Lifestyles. Two different Lifestyles.
Yeah. Very very, very different.
Very different. Well, okay, my last question for
you, David asked you this before because, you know, gotten worse.
Second time is but I guess I appreciate your patience.
So, What advice would you give to your younger self?
You can go back and talk to that 17 year old kid.
What words would you have for that young man?
Kiss. I would have, you know, a lot of
if I could change that, they would be happy doing in their
life, accomplish that goal accomplished that goal and yeah,
Forget about, forget about the fast cash and and the the
parties because you know what, the you're not gonna get nowhere
in life, doing this because eventually, you're going to get
busted or you're going to get killed and it's it's not worth
it, it's just not worth it and you're better off getting a good
life. Get out of there while you can
because there's not many people I'm the only one survived out
of. I don't know how many people I'm
there's not many people like me alive today.
Yeah, that is true that picture you gave me a long time ago.
There's a big crew that Italian crew and they're all day.
Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna say to you that too,
is that? So when you were making a lot of
money but, you know, for, you know, at some of your times when
you're at your Peak and you're probably throwing around a lot
of cash, Probably were generous with people, probably buying
rounds of booze at the bar and gifts.
I was giving away cars. Yeah.
So when you were locked up, how many of those people came and
visit you, or provided you, you know, stuff for your commissary
or anything, or letters, or gift cards or anything, there's only
one like, there's only one that was built that the Colombian.
That's why. When I got out, I went working
with the bill is to Colombian the only Guy.
But he had a, he had motives, right?
Aren't you had more? But generally we're saying is
that, you know, all those people who thought were your friends,
when you're they weren't around for you.
Nobody nobody, nobody nobody nobody nobody because, you know
what their, excuse their excuses, they can come around
because they don't want to write, they don't want the heat,
right? Because you want to be
associated with you, because then they then the police will
know who he is, right? So that's their excuse.
Right. But there's nobody there,
there's another be nobody there and then when even if they were
there on the outside you think they can go help her family's
here. Here's a hundred or a thousand
dollars will get that today. We put that in his account.
Nobody did that right? Nobody.
I like only that one person but he had an interior of motive,
right? As he knew who I was, and he
knew, he can make a lot of money, right?
But most people that these days, you're not gonna get nothing.
You're going to do the time, everybody's going to forget.
What about you? They're going to steal from you,
right? If you got a girlfriend to go to
take that from you. Yeah, sure.
Yeah. You just lose your mind when
you're in jail, you're a loser and online, and that's why I'm
saying and that's it. That's lucky if you actually
survive. So, if you get to do 10 years in
jail, that's a better than spending, you know, six feet
underground for us, your internal Turtle life, right?
Yeah. They did theirs to do when
you're in prison. You might not make it out of
there. That's true, you know?
This is because it's crazy in there.
You don't really hear. You can look at somebody the
wrong way and they're going to kill you, right?
Yeah, some guy baby doing pills. People are just people that had
their heads cut off for peanuts. Yeah, I could tell you stories
about death people getting their head decapitated throwing them
down. This down.
The street. Guards heads down the strip.
Wow. Oh man, I could tell you
stories, it's crazy. Z it's crazy, you know, you and
Josh on board, the suicide squad there.
They they killed all the guards and then they broke into the PC
area and killed them and that's when they killed and did killed
all the guards and they killed already killed.
They all took the seven says Cyanide and then they killed
themselves and I was it was a sorry.
Wow. Wow, there we go.
Any prison I'm talking about sometime my God, that sounds
insane. Yeah.
Oh yeah, I was a crazy. So yeah, no, no man, you could,
you can get, oh, look what you can be a you walk in a racial
War they yeah during yard and it goes a racial War, right?
And you're stuck in the middle and the guys are shooting right
to break it up and you're picking up a bullet for just
being in the yard, right? So there's so many bad scenarios
where? Oh yeah, it could be so many.
Oh yeah, your it's a hot your I'm telling you man, when you're
in prison. If you're a liability better
telling you you're a liability liability man.
Yeah, big time. So yeah.
Yeah. If you can get out of this, if
you're listening to me, man, if you can get out of this and you
thinking about getting out of this, get out of it.
Yeah. Well your own mind was now being
for your family? Yeah, get out of it.
It's not worth it buddy. No sweetheart.
It's just not worth it. Yeah, a lot of great can to they
can one of the shooting The woman was targeted.
I don't know where really the full details?
If she was a gangster's girlfriend or just in the wrong
place the wrong time. However, a lot of the
girlfriends, that decide to have a relationship with these guys
day and be, they're getting Target getting shot themselves,
you know, being at the wrong place wrong time, or, or just
targeted. I can't get you, but I can get
your girlfriend. Oh, yeah.
Well, for sure. Because, you know, My way of
thinking to back then was it says his girlfriend.
She knows everything. Yes, you know.
Sure she does so you grab her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no. She's just as bad guilty.
He just my thank God. My daughter, my daughter.
She learned to concealers quick from her dad, you know, because
she was with this player when she found out that this guy was
a big dealer. She found my God $80,000 under
her bed, one day. Yeah, and three ways you put it
together. This guy.
She she dropped him as hot as a troop.
See you later, man. She was with him for a few
years, right? And he and she took, he took
good care. Spoiler, you know, clear like
gold but she knew Right? She could get herself, killed
him being his girlfriend. Right?
And she, let she left him like that.
So, she was very smart. I'm very proud of her for doing
that, so that she could move. Yes, hold my daughter right now.
She's doing very well for herself.
Very well for herself. We must be proud.
Yeah, I'm very proud of her, but that's why I'm saying though,
he's love these girls. They think they like the bad
boys and they, you know, they because they got the car, they
spend the money, but sweetheart, if you're listening to this and
you're with a bad boy, If if hitters looking for your
boyfriend and he wants to, he can't find them and he knows
you. He's gonna come looking for you
to wind him. Exactly.
And you torture you to find him. Yeah.
That's brutal. And it has happened.
It has happened. Something that you're just
making up or fantasy. This this is how can many times
is real talk. This is real talk.
You'll kill get. It was real bad.
Didn't you'll have to kill you? Well, don't let you go.
You know, so no matter who was a bad boy, and he's because he's
got a nice car and he's buying buying you things, and you look,
you're going to school and, you know, you it's impressive and
you know, baby get out of there while you can because you might
just beat dad. Yeah.
It has a family too. Yeah.
No. And it has happened.
There's barely any of those girls that got shot, just being,
you know, wrong place wrong time, or just targeted.
Or they're driving their boyfriend's car.
You know what I mean? Yeah so there's that.
Well David I really appreciate your time.
I'm going to just do a few little edits but I'm going to
post this up right away and I appreciate you having the
patience to do it two times. But I like this, I like this
interview better. I think we went a little more
deeper and you got to expand a lot more and stuff and I really
appreciate that and I know the audience really appreciates that
and there's been getting some really good reviews, people are
liking what we're doing and and I'm I'm happy to do it with you,
so I thank you so much David. No, my pleasure, buddy, my
pleasure. All right.
Well, you have a great day, we'll talk soon.
Okay, buddy, take care.