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The Picton file a fortune built 
on land and depravity. 

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In the mid 1990s, Metro 
Vancouver was a city caught 

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between rapid development and a 
festering criminal underworld. 

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As a real estate boom fueled the
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few families benefited more from
the surge in the Pictons, a 

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quiet farming family from Port 
Coquitlam who overnight 

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transformed into millionaires. 
Their fortune was built on the 

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sale of their sprawling 
farmland. 

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What went on behind the scenes 
at their and famous Piggy Palace

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revealed a much darker side to 
their wealth. 

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This is the tale of fast money 
in Vancouver suburbs and the 

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horrifying consequences when 
wealth Shields the wicked from 

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justice, from farmers to 
millionaires. 

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In 1994, the Picton family 
struck it rich, having purchased

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their farmland for a mere 
$18,000 in 1963, they saw its 

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value skyrocket as Pork 
Coquitlam, part of Metro 

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Vancouver, experienced a real 
estate boom. 

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By 1993, the land was worth 
300,000. 

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By 1994, as developers scrambled
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potential, the property was 
valued at a staggering 7.2 

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million. 
The Pictons began selling off 

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parcels of their land. 
In one deal, they sold a section

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of the farm for 1.7 million to 
Internal Holdings, a townhouse 

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development company. 
Soon after, the city of 

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Porcoquitlam bought another 
piece for 1.2 millions, turning 

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into a public park, And in 1995 
the local school district paid 

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2.3 million for part of the farm
where Blackburn Elementary 

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School was later built. 
The Pictons have gone from 

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humble pig farmers to 
millionaires seemingly 

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overnight. 
Flushed with cash, Robert 

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Pickton and his brother David 
saw an opportunity beyond 

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farming. 
David picked and moved just a 

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mile down the road from their 
families farm to a new property 

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on Burns Rd. where he opened a 
party palace that would become 

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notorious and local legend. 
Officially known as the Piggy 

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Palace Good Time Society, this 
venue was marketed as a charity 

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driven social club for 
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In reality, it became a cesspool
of illegal activities and a 

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massive cash cow for the 
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A palace attracted large crowds 
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complete with free flowing 
alcohol and roasted pork from 

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the family's farm. 
Attendees included an eclectic 

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mix, bikers, locals, even law 
enforcement sex workers from the

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Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, 
many whom would later go 

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missing. 
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Piggy Pals, however, was not the
parties but the illegal rooster 

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fights that were regularly held 
on the premises. 

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These events, widely known to 
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involving substantial gambling 
and bets were placed on the 

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fight and the Picton brothers 
took a cut from each and every 

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wager, plus there was an 
attendance fee to enter. 

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They sold bootleg cigarettes and
also liquor sales, making these 

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events enormously profitable. 
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attendees were given access to 
sex workers often lured from the

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Vancouver's Downtown East side. 
Despite its reputation, the 

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Pictons managed to evade serious
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For years. 
Piggy Palace remained a 

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lucrative operation, funneling 
cash into the brothers pockets 

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while providing a venue for 
illicit activity. 

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The question is, how did they 
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brazenly? 
The Picton's new found wealth 

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didn't just fund their illegal 
operations, but it allowed 

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Robert Picton to surround 
himself with top tier legal 

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protection whenever trouble came
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In 1997, Picton was charged with
attempted murder after a woman 

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narrowly escaped from his farm 
bleeding from stab wounds after 

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an attack. 
The case should have been a 

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tipping point, a moment when 
authorities could have uncovered

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the horrors that would later 
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But it wasn't. 
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Because Picton could afford the 
best, The legal situation that 

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could have bankrupted an 
ordinary person was just a minor

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financial set back for the now 
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Estimates of the legal fees cost
Picton hundreds of thousands of 

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dollars, but with millions in 
the bank, this expenditure was 

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insignificant compared to the 
protection he has gained. 

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His legal counsel managed to 
negotiate the charge down to 

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assault with a deadly weapon and
Picton was soon breathed to 

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continue his activity. 
The wealth Robert Picton 

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accumulated from land sales and 
piggy palace part had acted as a

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shield, allowing him to buy his 
way out of trouble. 

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This tragedy prolonged his reign
of terror, and it wasn't until 

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2002, five years after that 
attack, that police finally 

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arrested Picton for the murder 
of multiple women. 

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By then, he's already claimed 
far too many lives. 

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As Picton's wealth grew, so did 
the number of missing women from

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the Downtown East Side. 
Between 1995 and 2001, the 

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disappearances of sex workers 
became an alarming trend At or 

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near Piggy Palace. 
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wealth gave them the means to 
carry on their operation under 

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the guise of respectability. 
The very money that made the 

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millionaires largely through 
legitimate land sales was the 

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same money that allowed them to 
continue their grim activities. 

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The sprawling farm, once a 
source of their fortune, would 

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eventually be revealed as a 
graveyard for their victims. 

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In the mid 1990s, as Vancouver 
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the Pictons were prime 
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The rapid edification and 
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millionaires out of pig farmers,
but their wealth came at a 

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horrifying cost. 
As women went missing, 

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authorities turned a blind eye 
to shady operations at Piggy 

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Palace. 
It became clear that money could

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not only buy privilege, but it 
also could cover up the ugliest 

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truce. 
The disappearances of vulnerable

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women, the illegal operations at
Peggy Palace, and Robert 

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Pickton's ability to evade 
serious charges for years all 

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point to the corrupting powers 
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And while the Pickton's may have
profited greatly from the 

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Vancouver real estate boom, 
their fortune was built on the 

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backs of the city's most 
marginalized women. 

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Their story is a chilling 
reminder of what could happen 

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when wealth and crime 
intertwined, and how in a city 

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obsessed with fast cash, justice
can be bought and sold. 

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The Picton's case is often 
remembered for its horrific 

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crimes committed, but also 
highlights another dark truth. 

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Wealth can buy freedom, even for
the most dangerous of men. 

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As more is uncovered about the 
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amassed, it becomes clear that 
money not only fuels their 

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depravity but also allowed them 
to evade accountability for far 

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too long. 
Well, this chapter of the Picton

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File dwells into the wealth that
protected them. 

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Future episodes will explore the
1997 arrest and the moment when 

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authorities could have stopped 
Robert Picton before his killing

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spree continued, had it not been
for his deep pockets and the 

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legal firewall he built around 
himself. 

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Please stay tuned for next 
installments of this 

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investigation into Vancouver's 
twisted intersection of money, 

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power and crime. 
In the next episode, I'll be 

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deep diving into the 1990s, a 
rise of gangland, murders, drug 

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trafficking, turf wars, death 
squads, and the cracks and the 

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mockery of the Canadian justice 
system. 

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Thank you for listening. 
In the early 1990s, Vancouver 

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was a city simmering with 
intrigue, and few stories 

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encapsulated its dark underbelly
quite like the murder of 

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stockbroker John Raymond Ray 
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With connections to the criminal
underworld and business dealings

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that raise more than a few 
eyebrows, his death remained a 

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focal point in discussions about
organized crime and contract 

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killings in Canada. 
Ray Giannotti was a man of 

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contradiction. 
A flamboyant stockbroker known 

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for his aggressive business 
style, Giannotti worked for more

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than a decade in Vancouver's 
financial sector, including a 

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stint at Canarim Investment 
Corp, one of the city's most 

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prominent brokerage houses. 
A successful businessman by many

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accounts, Giannotti's reputation
was overshadowed by whispers of 

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his association with the 
criminal underworld. 

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While Giannotti was never 
official member of any notorious

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organizations, he didn't shy 
away from publicizing his 

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connection with influential 
players in Vancouver's darker 

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circles. 
He even flaunted these 

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associations, leading to 
speculation that his business 

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success was tied to these 
dangerous affiliations. 

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His name became synonymous with 
risk in both in finance and in 

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life. 
On May 9th, 1990, Ray 

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Giannotti's double life came to 
a brutal end. 

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He was found murdered in his 
West Vancouver home, shot 

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execution style with a single 
bullet to his head. 

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His death shocked the city's 
elite, but those familiar with 

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his underworld connections 
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An investigator would later 
discover this wasn't a random 

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act of violence but a 
calculating contract killing the

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men responsible for Giannotti's 
murder. 

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Cuban national Jose Raul Perez 
Valdez would confess. 

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Years later, Perez Valdez 
revealed that he's been hired to

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carry out the execution for 
$30,000, a figure that 

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underscored the gravity of the 
crime. 

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But the mystery didn't stop with
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The order for the hit had 
allegedly come from Roger 

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Daggett, Giannotti's former 
bodyguard, a known enforcer in 

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the criminal underworld. 
Roger Daggett's role in this web

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of intrigue was pivotal. 
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Giannotti, Daggett's 
relationship with the 

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stockbroker has soured. 
As a figure with deep 

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connections to organized crime, 
Daggett was believed to have 

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orchestrated the murder. 
After their fallout, the complex

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dynamics of the criminal 
underworld meant that betrayal 

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was inevitable. 
Just two years after Giannadi's 

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murder, Daggett would meet his 
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In October 1992, he was shot 
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head while drinking at the Turf 
Hotel in Surrey, BC. 

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His death was carried out by 
Montreal contract killer Serge 

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Robin, who would later plead 
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Daggett's murder not only marked
a critical moment in this 

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tangled saga, but it pointed a 
broader culture of retribution 

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within Vancouver's criminal 
network. 

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The murders of both Ray 
Giannotti and Roger Daggett 

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revealed the intricate, violent,
and far reaching operations of 

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organized crime in Vancouver 
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Giannotti's execution, ordered 
by someone he once trusted, and 

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Daggett's subsequent murder 
underscored a system of 

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retribution that operated far 
outside the law. 

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Perez Valdez confession and 
cooperation with police added 

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another layer to the 
investigation. 

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Though he was charged with 
Giannotti's murder in 1995, it 

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took until 2003 for him to be 
extradited to Canada to face 

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trial. 
His eventual guilty plea 

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provided authorities with 
insight into the criminal 

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underworld, but the case is also
demonstrated how long these 

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investigations could stretch. 
The murders of Giannotti and 

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Daggett were not isolated 
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The history of Vancouver's 
organized crime scene, contract 

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killing, violent retributions, 
and connections to the city's 

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criminal underworld painted a 
broader picture of Vancouver's 

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underbelly during this period. 
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Giannotti's murder speaks to the
ruthless nature of the criminal 

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in a world where no one, no 
matter how well connected, was 

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truly safe. 
The intertwining thories of 

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stockbrokers, enforcers, and 
hitmen all point to a landscape 

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where the lines between 
legitimate business and crime 

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were often blurred. 
Giannotti's life and death 

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remained a haunting reminder of 
all the volatility and danger 

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inherent in the criminal 
underworld. 

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What began as a high flying 
career in finance devolved into 

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a tale of betrayal, murder, 
retribution. 

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One thing remains clear, the 
Vancouver organized crime scene,

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with its shadowy alliances and 
brutal enforcement, remains a 

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force that has left a mark on 
the city's history. 

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So, key motivations behind the 
murder of Ray Giannotti Falling 

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out with bodyguard with Roger 
Daggett Roger Daggett, 

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Giannotti's former bodyguard and
underworld enforcer, allegedly 

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ordered the hit on Giannotti. 
The relationship soured due to 

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personal and professional 
conflict. 

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Daggett, described as a violent 
enforcer, had deep connection 

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with organized crime, amplifying
suspicion of internal disputes. 

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Cuban national Jose Raul Perez 
Valdez admitted to carrying out 

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Giannotti murder in exchange for
$30,000. 

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The execution style killing a 
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signifies premeditation and 
professional hit typical of 

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organized crime executions. 
Perez Aldez confession pointed 

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to the calculated nature of the 
crime, suggesting Giannotti was 

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viewed as a liability or threat.
A week after Giannotti murder, 

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Russian gangster survey Philonov
was killed in Vancouver, 

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allegedly boasting about his 
involvement in the murder as 

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retaliation over a cocaine deal 
that has gone wrong. 

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The rivalry between outlaw 
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crime groups in Vancouver likely
played a role in Giannotti's 

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execution. 
Bob Daggett himself was murdered

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two years later, shot in the 
back of the head by a contract 

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killer, Serge Robin, indicating 
that his involvement in 

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Giannotti's murder had made him 
a target for retribution. 

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The circle of violence 
highlighted the volatile and 

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ruthless environment within the 
criminal underworld during this 

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period. 
This case reveals a web of 

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alliances, betrayals within 
Vancouver's organized crime 

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scene, where disputes over 
drugs, power and money 

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frequently ended in murder. 
The killer was Serge Robin, a 

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contract killer from Montreal. 
Born into chaos, he was groomed 

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by a world that molded him into 
one of Canada's most dangerous 

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men. 
His father, a convicted rapist, 

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and his mother trapped in the 
sex work, Robin never stood a 

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chance. 
He found himself thrust into a 

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foster system that nurtured his 
rage rather than restrained it. 

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By a 16, Robin had already found
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In 1973, he was sentenced to 
four years for armed robbery, a 

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brutal assault in which he 
wielded a metal ashtray as a 

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weapon. 
That first sentence was just the

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start. 
Prison did not reform him. 

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Instead, it steeled his resolve 
and sharpened his propensity for

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violence. 
In 1976, the streets of Quebec 

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City bore witness to the ACT 
that would haunt him for 

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decades. 
The 17 year old became a tragic 

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target for his wrath. 
Robin beat her to death with a 

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crowbar on the Plains of 
Abraham. 

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The cruelty of that act sealed 
his fate as a killer. 

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Convicted in 1977, his sentence 
extended indefinitely, casting 

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him into the shadowy corners of 
the Canadian prison system. 

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But even behind bars, Robin's 
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In 1979, he was accused of 
killing two fellow inmates. 

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Though acquitted, those murders 
hung over him, a mark of 

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unrelenting violence that 
followed him wherever he went. 

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To many, it seemed that Robin 
has found his place in the 

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hierarchy of the prison 
underworld. 

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But the fate had a different 
plan. 

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In 1992, Robin was granted day 
parole, a decision that would 

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soon prove disastrous. 
Free. 

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But still, under the constraints
of his prison sentence, he 

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ventured into the treacherous 
world of organized crime in 

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British Columbia. 
It didn't take long for blood to

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spill. 
On October 6th, 1992, he entered

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a hotel in Surrey with cold 
resolve. 

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Roger Daggett was killed on 
October 6th, 1992 at the Surf 

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Hotel in Surrey, BC. 
He was sitting at a table in the

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hotel strip bar while having a 
beer with his son. 

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Robin approached Daggett from 
behind and shot him three times 

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in the back of the head, killing
him instantly. 

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The murder was carried out in 
front of other patrons, 

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including Daggett's son. 
Robin was hired to kill Daggett,

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likely as retribution for 
Daggett allegedly ordering the 

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murder of Ray Giannadi, a 
stockbroker who was killed in 

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Vancouver in 1990. 
Daggett had previously worked as

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Giannadi's bodyguard. 
At the time of his death, 

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Daggett was 39 years old and was
described as a powerlifter and 

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former professional wrestler who
possessed strength and athletic 

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ability. 
He was also alleged to be the 

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enforcer for outlaw bikers and 
the criminal underworld. 

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Robin was eventually arrested 
and charged with Daggett's 

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murder. 
He pleaded guilty to 2nd degree 

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murder and was sentenced to life
in a Maximus Security prison. 

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Two days later, after shooting 
Roger Daggett, this time in 

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front of a Vancouver pub with 
Robert Palletier, a fellow 

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Montrealer was gunned down in 
plain sight. 

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Witnesses tackled Robin to the 
ground, turning him over to the 

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police as quickly as the shots 
that echoed through the street. 

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The Palletier killing was not 
just another random act of 

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violence. 
It was a dispute over drug 

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territory, a battle for control 
over Vancouver's lucrative 

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playground. 
Robin's 1994 trial for 

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Palletier's murder revealed a 
man desperately clinging to 

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excuses. 
He claimed he was drunk, high on

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cocaine, fuelled by rage after 
Palletier allegedly assaulted 

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his girlfriend. 
But the jury saw through this 

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defense and Robin was convicted 
of second degree murder. 

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The final omission of guilt for 
Daggett's killing would come two

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years later, in 1996. 
By then, the underworld has 

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caught up with him. 
Rumors swirled that a contract 

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has been placed on his own life.
For decades, Robin languished in

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prison. 
His reputation as a brutal 

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killer firmly cemented his ties 
to the infamous Rock Machine 

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biker gang. 
But inside the high security 

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cell, even that affiliation 
couldn't protect him from the 

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violence that continued to swirl
around him. 

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By 2018, the unstoppable forces 
of his rage meant of terminal 

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illness. 
Cancer ate away at a man once 

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feared by so many. 
Now weakened and fragile, he no 

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longer posed a threat as his 
physical abilities dwindled to 

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nearly nothing. 
A psychiatrist declared Robin a 

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psychopath, but also a shell of 
the violent man he once been. 

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He was no longer a predator. 
Cancer have robbed him from 

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that, leaving him to confront 
the end of his life, helpless 

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and confused. 
In 2021, at the age of 63, the 

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Parole Board of Canada granted 
Sir Robin full parole. 

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No longer the fearsome enforcer 
of his younger days, he was 

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frail and just 10 to 15% of his 
physical capabilities remaining.

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His last days would not be spent
behind the cold iron bars of a 

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penitentiary, but in a 
palliative care centre in 

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central Quebec, as his failing 
body allowed it. 

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He had been given what many 
considered an undeserved mercy 

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to die with some semblance of 
dignity outside of prison walls.

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The disappearance of Nick and 
Lisa Massey. 

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Vancouver's deadly dance with 
crime On the warm evening of 

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August 10th, 1994, Nick Massey, 
a retired banker, and his wife 

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Lisa, banished without a trace 
from North Vancouver, BC. 

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What should have been an 
ordinary night soon unraveled 

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into one of the region's most 
baffling mystery intertwining 

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with financial scandal. 
Organized crime Vancouver during

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the early 1990s was quietly 
earning a reputation more 

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dangerous than its picturesque 
mountain views suggested the 

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city, especially its infamous 
Vancouver Stock Exchange, the 

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VSE, Where stakes were high, 
frauds and criminal enterprises 

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flourished unchecked. 
A growing rot or legitimate 

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finance and criminal enterprises
began to merge the night they 

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vanished. 
In the days leading up to their 

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disappearance, certain events 
hinted that something darker 

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loomed in the background. 
On August 10th, Nick had made a 

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reservation for four at Trader 
Vic's, a popular restaurant, but

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no one showed up and no calls 
were made to cancel the 

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reservation. 
That evening, the couple was 

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reportedly seen sipping wine at 
the Weston Bayshore Garden 

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Lounge, Nick casually dressed in
a jogging suit. 

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Their evening seemed peaceful, 
but what followed was anything 

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but. 
By the next morning, Lisa made 

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two peculiar phone calls, one to
her boss and the other to Nick's

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business partner, informing them
that they would be away for a 

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few days. 
The calls were traced to Bowen 

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Island, suggesting the Massey's 
could have been near the 

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Sunshine Coast or on Vancouver's
West side. 

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This was the last anyone heard 
from them. 

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A week later, police entered the
Massey's North Vancouver home to

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find the front door unlocked, 
their car parked in the driveway

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and two plastic zip ties eerily 
left near the entrance. 

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Their passport remained 
untouched, and no withdrawals 

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have been made from their bank 
account. 

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The couple seemingly vanished in
the thin air. 

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No ransom demand, no body. 
Just silence. 

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As investigators began piercing 
together clues, a series of 

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unsettling effects emerged. 
Though there was no overt signs 

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that the Massey's lived a high 
risk lifestyle, whispers of 

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Nick's entanglements with 
questionable financial dealings 

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grew louder. 
Before his retirement, Nick had 

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been involved with the Vancouver
financial scene, especially the 

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Vancouver Stock Exchange. 
The VSC was notorious during the

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1980s and the 1990s for its 
rampant corruption, earning the 

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nickname the Scam Capital of the
World. 

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Penny stocks, often backed by 
little more than empty promises,

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were the financial instruments 
of choice for fraudsters. 

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With minimal oversight and weak 
regulatory enforcement, the 

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exchange became a playground for
con men. 

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Investors often found themselves
victims of elaborate stock 

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manipulation schemes, while 
those orchestrating the scams 

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walked away barely untouched by 
the law. 

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It was a high stake games with 
little accountability, and the 

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Massey's ties to this world 
raise suspicion. 

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Further deepening the mystery. 
Nick and Lisa had made a secret 

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trip to the Cayman Islands just 
a few months prior, where they 

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opened a bank account with 
50,000 in stock. 

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This transaction hinted at more 
than just a vacation, possibly a

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last minute effort to hide or 
move funds ashore. 

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Some speculated that Nick had 
became entangled in money 

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laundering, potentially for a 
motorcycle gang known for its 

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criminal exploit in Vancouver at
the time. 

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The theory gained traction when 
it was revealed, but Nick had 

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attended a funeral the day 
before his disappearance, 

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telling others that he planned 
to leave town. 

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Was he running from something or
someone? 

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Had Lisa been aware of the 
looming threats? 

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A city built on fraud and fast 
money, Vancouver in the 1990 was

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undergoing a seismic shift. 
It's booming real estate market 

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and financial sector attracted 
both legitimate investors and 

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those with far darker ambition. 
White collar crime thrived in a 

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system that lacks serious 
consequences. 

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Those involved in fraudulent 
schemes, particularly tied to 

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the VSC, knew that even if they 
were caught, punishments would 

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likely be a mere slap on the 
wrist. 

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At the same time, Vancouver was 
becoming a hub for organized 

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crime, with motorcycle gangs and
drug syndicates thriving in the 

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city's underbelly. 
As fraudsters made millions off 

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penny stocks, criminals 
laundered their illegal gains 

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through seemingly legitimate 
channels, including the stock 

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market and real estate. 
The Massey's, wherever, by 

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design or circumstances, found 
themselves caught up in the 

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middle of this murky world. 
It was a time when the lines 

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between the legitimate and the 
illicit had blurred so 

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completely. 
Someone like Nick, once a 

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banker, could easily find 
himself involved in dangerous 

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deals without fully 
understanding the consequences. 

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Or perhaps he did, and that's 
why he was running. 

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Despite numerous investigations 
and countless theories, Nick and

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Lisa Massey's disappearance 
remained unsolved. 

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Decades later, their families 
still see closure. 

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Nick would would be 85 years old
today and Lisa's 69. 

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The trail has gone cold, but the
case is still a haunting 

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reminder of an era when 
Vancouver's rush for fast wealth

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came with deadly consequences. 
The story of the Massey's is not

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just a personal tragedy. 
It's emblematic of a broader 

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societal decay Vancouver was 
experiencing in the 1990s when 

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white collar fraudsters walked 
freely among criminals and the 

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city's institutions like the 
Vancouver Stock Exchange became 

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tools for exploitation. 
Innocent, and sometimes a not so

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innocent, paid the price. 
Did his dealings in the Cayman 

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Islands suggest he was part of 
something bigger? 

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These questions remain 
unanswered, much like the 

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mystery of Vancouver's dark 
transformation. 

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During that time, asses may 
never be found, but their 

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disappearance serves the 
chilling reminder of what 

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happened. 
When legitimate and criminal 

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worlds collide, leaving 
destruction and silence in their

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wake, their families continue to
seek answers about their fate. 

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Welcome to our deep dive on 
Vancouver gang history. 

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Could be interesting. 
We've got some articles from 

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Past Tense, that blog that 
really gets into like, 

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Vancouver's history. 
Yeah, it's a good one. 

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And also this paper by Doctor 
Karen McConnell. 

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I know his work, Yeah, he takes 
a really broadview. 

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And so what's interesting to me 
at least, is that even though 

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this paper covers like a much 
longer period of time, they 

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actually like overlap quite a 
bit. 

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They do giving us a really 
interesting multifaceted look at

458
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400
some of the same events and eras
and stuff. 

459
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,960
That's right. 
So it seems like you're really 

460
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920
interested in going beyond just 
like names and dates. 

461
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,360
Yeah, definitely more the 
evolution of Dang activity in 

462
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Vancouver. 
Yeah, like what was it really 

463
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,480
like during different eras, 
right. 

464
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,920
And you know what kind of 
specific events really shaped 

465
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,720
the whole landscape? 
Exactly. 

466
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600
I think it's fascinating because
so often we hear about like 

467
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,120
unprecedented levels of gang 
violence, particularly recently.

468
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Like it's all new. 
Right. 

469
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Exactly. 
Yeah, But when you start digging

470
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,239
into the history, you realize 
that violence has been like a 

471
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,639
recurring theme in Vancouver's 
gang landscape for over a 

472
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,400
century, maybe even longer. 
So not a new problem at all. 

473
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,760
Not at all. 
OK, so let's go all the way 

474
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,080
back, OK, to the 1940s and 50s 
time of zoot suits. 

475
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,000
Yeah, and I think we've all seen
the pictures. 

476
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,159
Right. 
Of like the guys hanging out. 

477
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,880
Oh, and they're cool outfits. 
Exactly. 

478
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,560
But there was this whole moral 
panic around zoot suitors, 

479
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,280
right? 
Like were they all delinquents? 

480
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,679
The media definitely played a 
role in portraying them that 

481
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,600
way, yeah, you know, creating a 
lot of fear and stereotypes. 

482
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,600
Right. 
And there's this one story about

483
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,760
Buddy Pearson, right? 
This local boxer who died after 

484
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,920
a fight in 1955. 
Oh wow. 

485
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,040
And his sister really insisted 
he wasn't a gangster, he was 

486
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600
just a kid who liked the 
fashion. 

487
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,200
That's interesting. 
Yeah. 

488
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,040
So I mean, that kind of shows 
you that maybe perception wasn't

489
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,600
always reality. 
Right, The media could 

490
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120
definitely exaggerate things and
that creates a lot of 

491
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,680
misunderstanding. 
Yeah. 

492
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,080
And so, you know, while there 
were definitely incidents of 

493
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,360
gang violence back then, a lot 
of them kind of centered around 

494
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,880
these social spaces like dance 
halls and stuff. 

495
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
That's what places where those 
social tensions would kind of 

496
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,400
bubble over. 
Yeah, OK, And then you've got 

497
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,720
the 1944 Zoot Suit Riots. 
Yeah, that was a major turning 

498
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,680
point. 
And like a real clash between 

499
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,920
these merchant seamen and the 
zoot suit. 

500
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
Right. 
And it went way beyond just a 

501
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,680
few punches thrown. 
Yeah, I mean, we're talking 

502
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,360
about gang shootouts, robberies.
Even 2 police officers were 

503
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,480
killed. 
Oh wow. 

504
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,560
It was a really chaotic and 
tragic event. 

505
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,240
So it kind of shatters this 
image of these like, harmless 

506
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,200
teenagers just hanging out in 
their cool outfits. 

507
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,440
It definitely shows that there 
was a dark side to that whole 

508
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,280
Zoot suit era. 
Yeah, and it seems like 

509
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
territoriality was a big factor 
even back then. 

510
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,320
Just like it is today, right? 
You know, those early gangs were

511
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,400
mostly neighborhood based. 
Yeah, but things started to 

512
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,160
change in the 1960s with the 
rise of what were called park 

513
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,200
gangs. 
OK. 

514
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,120
So you're talking about like the
ones in Riley Park? 

515
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Yes, Grandview Park. 
Clark Park. 

516
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Those are the big ones. 
Yeah. 

517
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,760
And it seemed like this shift 
coincided with, like, increased 

518
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,480
mobility, right? 
Yeah, teenagers have more access

519
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,560
to cars. 
Oh yeah. 

520
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
They were called ramblers back 
then, OK, And that meant they 

521
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,760
could cover larger territories 
and that inevitably led to more 

522
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,640
clashes. 
So instead of just fighting 

523
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,440
their rivals in their own 
neighborhood, these gangs could 

524
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,840
actually go to other 
neighborhoods. 

525
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Right, which really escalated 
things. 

526
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,080
That seems like a recipe for 
disaster. 

527
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Oh yeah, and there's this one 
example from 1947 where a bunch 

528
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,640
of EastEnders OK drove all the 
way to Karisdale for a rumble 

529
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,360
that drew like over 300 
spectators. 

530
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Wow, and how did that turn out? 
Well, the police had to break it

531
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,800
up to prevent a massive brawl. 
So yeah, sounds like things were

532
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,600
getting pretty out of control. 
It was definitely a sign of 

533
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,120
things to come. 
And were the 60s even more 

534
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,720
violent than the Zoot suit era? 
I think it's safe to say that 

535
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,360
yes, violence definitely 
escalated, and one of the most 

536
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,880
infamous incidents that kind of 
sums up that era is the 1972 

537
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,280
Rolling Stones concert riot at 
the Pacific Coliseum. 

538
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Oh yeah, I've heard stories 
about that. 

539
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Have you? 
Tell me what happened. 

540
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,360
Well, believe it or not, it was 
all fueled by fake tickets. 

541
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,640
Fake tickets. 
Yeah, apparently the Clark Park 

542
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,360
gang and this Marxist gang 
called Youngblood were involved.

543
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Like a Marxist gang. 
Yeah, just shows you the diverse

544
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,920
range of groups that were 
getting caught up in this gang 

545
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,520
culture back then. 
That's wild, right? 

546
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,320
So how did things get so out of 
hand? 

547
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,400
Well, it went way beyond 
fistfights. 

548
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,040
People were throwing Molotov 
cocktails. 

549
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Molotov cocktails. 
Wow. 

550
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
And someone even brought a 
homemade bazooka. 

551
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,560
A bazooka. 
A bazooka. 

552
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,280
It ended up seriously injuring a
police officer. 

553
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880
Geez. 
It was a really scary situation.

554
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,760
So this wasn't just like kids 
messing around. 

555
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,560
No, it's a serious display of 
violence. 

556
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,240
And then the research paper 
mentions that the 70s brought 

557
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,000
another major shift with the 
emergence of Asian gangs in 

558
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,200
Vancouver. 
That's right, gangs like the Red

559
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Eagles and the Lotus Gang rose 
to prominence. 

560
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840
And I guess a lot of them had 
international connections too, 

561
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,440
right? 
Yeah, that's a key difference 

562
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
from those earlier gangs. 
OK, so we're not talking about 

563
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,680
just local rivalries anymore? 
No, this was organized crime 

564
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,960
with ties to other countries. 
And the violence between these 

565
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,080
gangs, I mean, was it pretty 
brutal? 

566
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Oh, absolutely. 
There was a stabbing at the 

567
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,480
Stardust roller rink in 1979. 
OK, that really marked A major 

568
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560
escalation in tensions. 
So it wasn't just like 1 

569
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,400
isolated incident. 
No, After that it led to a whole

570
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,360
wave of fire, bombings and 
shootings between those rival 

571
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,840
Asian gangs. 
And then you have the 1985 

572
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,200
kidnapping and murder of these 
restaurant owners, Jimmy and 

573
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,840
Lily Ming. 
Yeah, that case really shook the

574
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,520
city. 
I remember reading about that, 

575
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,000
it was terrifying. 
I showed how that gang violence 

576
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200
was no longer confined to 
certain areas or groups, it was 

577
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,360
creating this widespread climate
of fear. 

578
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Yeah, so we've gone from 
neighborhood brawls to park 

579
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,440
gangs and now these powerful 
Asian gangs with international 

580
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,200
ties. 
That's a pretty dramatic 

581
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,080
evolution. 
It seems like every decade 

582
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,840
brings a new level of complexity
and violence. 

583
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080
And unfortunately, that trend 
continued into the 1980s with 

584
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480
the arrival of drive by 
shootings in Vancouver. 

585
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Drive by shootings. 
Yeah, that's right. 

586
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,760
That sounds like something 
straight out of Los Angeles. 

587
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,600
It does, doesn't it? 
And it's interesting because 

588
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,360
this shift coincided with the 
release of the movie Colors in 

589
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,480
1988. 
I remember that movie, it had a 

590
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
huge impact. 
It did like on how people 

591
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,560
perceived gangs. 
Exactly. 

592
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,560
It raised awareness of that 
tactic. 

593
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Do you think it actually 
influenced gang behavior in 

594
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,240
Vancouver? 
It's hard to say for sure, but 

595
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,480
it certainly didn't help. 
And the impact was definitely 

596
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,680
felt. 
Oh yeah, there were some really 

597
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,440
high profile incidents in 
Vancouver. 

598
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,960
Like the 1988 Woodland Bridge 
shooting? 

599
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
That one was crazy. 
Tell me about it. 

600
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,280
It was like a chaotic shootout 
involving multiple gangs. 

601
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,560
And two victims were just left 
dumped in front of an ambulance.

602
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,320
Gee. 
And then there's that incident 

603
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,920
where the Loss of Diablos gang 
fired a shotgun over commuters 

604
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480
heads at the Nanaimo Sky train 
station. 

605
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,960
Oh yeah, I remember hearing 
about that. 

606
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,920
Just to show off. 
It was a terrifying display of 

607
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,680
how brazen this new wave of 
violence had become. 

608
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Yeah, and it wasn't just 
happening in isolated areas 

609
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,200
anymore. 
Right started spreading into 

610
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,640
popular areas like Robson St. 
So that was in 1989. 

611
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Yeah, there was a double 
stabbing at Pacific Center Mall.

612
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Oh wow, and a drive by shooting 
on Robson St. 

613
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,120
OK. 
So it was a major turning point 

614
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,080
definitely going from these 
contained rivalries to like this

615
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,760
widespread, unpredictable 
violence that directly affected 

616
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
everyday citizens. 
To create this huge public alarm

617
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800
and put so much pressure on the 
police to respond. 

618
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
OK, so the 90s brought a 
different kind of evolution, I 

619
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,600
guess. 
Yeah, while Asian gang violence 

620
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,280
continued, it started to 
transition towards more of an 

621
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,040
organized crime model. 
So less public displays of 

622
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,280
violence, but perhaps like a 
deeper, more insidious presence.

623
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Exactly. 
And a good example of this is 

624
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,160
the 1989 Goldstone restaurant 
shooting. 

625
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Yeah, that was a tragic attack 
on a busy student hangout. 

626
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,760
I think I vaguely remember that 
one. 

627
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,320
What made it so significant? 
Well, it was a targeted attack, 

628
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,360
but it took place in this 
crowded restaurant. 

629
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,120
It really highlighted the 
indiscriminate nature of the 

630
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,680
violence. 
That's scary. 

631
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,400
It sent shock waves through the 
city. 

632
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Yeah. 
People were forced to confront 

633
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,560
the reality of gang activity in 
their myths. 

634
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,280
So less St. violence, but a 
shift toward more calculated 

635
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,120
organized crime. 
Precisely. 

636
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,200
And then there's the role of the
Dai Wen Jai in curbing St. 

637
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
violence among Asian gangs. 
Yeah, that's a fascinating 

638
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,120
development. 
Who are they? 

639
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Well, they're a powerful triad 
society and it's believed they 

640
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,000
stepped in around 1992, possibly
at the request of older crime 

641
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,360
figures in Hong Kong, OK, to 
kind of impose order. 

642
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
So it's like they were trying to
clean up the streets and operate

643
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,240
more behind the scenes. 
Yeah, they wanted to lower their

644
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,640
profile and reduce the attention
they were attracting. 

645
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
And was that successful? 
To a degree, yes. 

646
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,160
It was a subtle but crucial 
shift that really marked the 

647
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,960
beginning of a much more deeply 
entrenched form of organized 

648
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,880
crime in Vancouver. 
Interesting. 

649
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,000
And that brings us to Bindi Joe 
Hall. 

650
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,320
Ah, Bindi Joe Hall. 
His name is practically 

651
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,400
synonymous with gang violence in
Vancouver. 

652
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
He's a notorious figure. 
Yeah, especially in the mid to 

653
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,960
late 1990s. 
Right. 

654
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,760
That period was incredibly 
volatile. 

655
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,200
What made it so? 
Bad Well, Joe Halls rise 

656
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,160
coincided with a significant 
uptick in nightclub violence. 

657
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Oh wow. 
And his 1995 acquittal in the 

658
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Dos Anstra Brothers murders 
seemed to trigger this wave of 

659
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,480
retaliatory shootings. 
Oh jeez. 

660
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,440
It created this really intense 
climate of fear and uncertainty.

661
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,320
It's like gang violence often 
operates in these cycles. 

662
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,360
You're right, one act of 
violence leads to another, 

663
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,760
fueling this endless cycle of 
retribution. 

664
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Yeah, it's a tragic pattern. 
It is, and the impact on 

665
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,400
Vancouver was really palpable. 
Yeah, like a feeling of unease, 

666
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,880
I bet. 
Especially in the city's 

667
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,240
nightlife. 
And that's what led to the 

668
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,240
formation of the Bar Watch 
Association, right? 

669
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,440
Yeah, in December 1995, OK. 
It was a direct response to that

670
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,000
escalating violence in 
nightclubs. 

671
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Yeah, and it's still active 
today. 

672
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,920
It is a testament to how deeply 
this issue was affecting the 

673
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880
community. 
And despite those efforts, 

674
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,120
innocent bystanders increasingly
got caught in the crossfire. 

675
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,160
Tragically, yes. 
Like Richard Loft in 2002 who 

676
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,040
was shot at Delaney's Exotic 
Show pub. 

677
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Just a terrible example of how 
far reaching the consequences 

678
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,360
can be. 
And then there's Rachel Davis in

679
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,800
2004. 
Another heartbreaking case. 

680
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,600
Killed trying to break up a 
fight outside a nightclub. 

681
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,800
So sensely. 
And then there's the case of Lee

682
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Mitasi in 2005, killed after 
challenging a man for firing a 

683
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,720
gun outside a nightclub that. 
One's interesting. 

684
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,760
Was it definitively gang 
related? 

685
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,120
The connection to gangs is 
uncertain, OK, but it definitely

686
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,840
speaks to that broader culture 
of violence and intimidation 

687
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,960
that had taken root in the city.
Yeah, it's like even seemingly 

688
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,360
ordinary encounters could turn 
deadly. 

689
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,040
That's the scary part. 
So it's clear that Vancouver was

690
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,920
grappling with a really serious 
problem. 

691
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,600
There was, but it seems like 
things were about to reach a 

692
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,040
whole new level in the late 
2000s. 

693
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,800
Are you talking about the gang 
coover years? 

694
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Yeah. 
That was a dark period. 

695
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,400
What happened during that time? 
Between 2007 and 2010, Vancouver

696
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,920
saw this surge in gang related 
murders on a scale we hadn't 

697
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,680
seen in decades. 139 deaths, 
many of whom were innocent 

698
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,400
victims. 
Like the Surrey 6 murders in 

699
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,200
2000. 
Seven. 

700
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,280
Yeah, a truly horrifying event. 
I remember VPD chief Jim Chu 

701
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,960
saying there is a gang war and 
it's brutal. 

702
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,000
It was a pretty stark 
acknowledgement of the 

703
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,800
situation. 
Yeah, and it wasn't just the 

704
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,040
number of deaths, right? 
It was the brazen nature of the 

705
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,560
attacks. 
They showed a complete disregard

706
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
for public safety. 
Like the shooting of Kevin Le 

707
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,760
Clair in 2009. 
In a busy Langley Mall parking 

708
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
lot. 
Yeah, it just showed how little 

709
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,960
these gangs cared about who got 
caught in the crossfire. 

710
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,160
And then there's Chris poem. 
The 13 year old killed in a gang

711
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,440
fight. 
In 2007. 

712
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,240
It's just heartbreaking. 
And Kirk Hollow Field shot the 

713
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,840
same year after being mistaken 
for a gang member. 

714
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Tragic examples of how random 
and senseless this violence 

715
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,200
could be. 
So we've seen how gang activity 

716
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,120
in Vancouver has evolved from 
these neighborhood clashes to 

717
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,520
powerful organized crime 
networks. 

718
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,280
It's been a long and complicated
journey. 

719
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,400
Has the situation improved since
those Vancouver years? 

720
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,520
Well, violence has fluctuated in
the years since 2010. 

721
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
OK, but those underlying issues 
haven't gone away. 

722
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,520
The landscape is always 
shifting. 

723
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,960
The sources mentioned the 2011 
Kelowna shooting that kissed 

724
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,920
Jonathan Bacon and injured Hells
Angel Larry Amero. 

725
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Yeah, that incident really 
showed the complex web of 

726
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960
alliances and conflicts that 
exist between different gangs 

727
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,720
and organized crime groups. 
And the targeted attacks on the 

728
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,480
Dakdura group in early 2012. 
Another example of those cycles 

729
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,800
of revenge and retaliation. 
So it's like this never ending 

730
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,880
battle. 
It can feel that way sometimes. 

731
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,800
So the fight against gang 
activity is far from over in 

732
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Vancouver. 
It requires a long term 

733
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
commitment and a multifaceted 
approach. 

734
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,480
It's a lot to think about. 
It is. 

735
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,240
And that brings us to the end of
part one of our deep dive into 

736
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,840
Vancouver's gang history. 
I'm ready for more. 

737
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,840
Me too. 
We'll be right back with Part 2.

738
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Sounds good. 
Welcome back to our deep dive 

739
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,040
into Vancouver gangs. 
You've just scratched the 

740
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,360
surface. 
We really have. 

741
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,480
We went all the way back to 
those zoot suit days. 

742
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
It's crazy how far back it goes.
And so we left off talking about

743
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,960
those challenges during those 
Vancouver years. 

744
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Yeah, things were really heating
up. 

745
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,920
So what happened after that? 
Well, you know, the years after 

746
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,960
2010 saw some, you know, ups and
downs and violence. 

747
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,400
But those underlying issues, 
they didn't just vanish, OK? 

748
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,080
There was kind of a shift as new
players came onto the scene and 

749
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,840
old rivalries continued to 
simmer beneath the surface. 

750
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,280
OK, so our sources mentioned 
this 2011 Kelowna shooting as a 

751
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,320
prime example of this kind of 
constantly changing landscape. 

752
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Absolutely. 
That one was huge. 

753
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,480
Tell me about it. 
So the shooting targeted 

754
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,760
Jonathan Bacon of the Red 
Scorpions and also injured 

755
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Hell's Angel Larry Amero. 
Wow. 

756
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,520
And James Riach. 
He was an independent soldier. 

757
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,760
He was unharmed. 
So you've got Red Scorpions, 

758
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,360
Hells Angels, independent 
soldiers all in one place. 

759
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,800
Yeah, it's a tangled web for 
sure. 

760
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,480
It seems like these groups are 
always like vying for power. 

761
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,440
Oh yeah, constantly. 
Making and breaking alliances as

762
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,560
needed. 
Exactly. 

763
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,240
And often when those alliances 
shift or someone feels 

764
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,960
threatened, yeah, you know, 
that's when things erupt. 

765
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,560
That makes sense. 
OK, So that gives us some 

766
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,880
context for those like overall 
dynamics, right? 

767
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,720
So who are some of the most 
powerful players in this kind of

768
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,440
evolving gang landscape? 
Well, the Red Scorpions really 

769
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,040
gained notoriety in the 2000s 
for their brutal tactics and 

770
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,320
their involvement in the drug 
trade. 

771
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
OK, they were the ones behind 
the Surrey 6 murders in 2007. 

772
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,600
That case was just horrific. 
Absolutely. 

773
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Truly tragic incident that 
really shook the community. 

774
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,560
And then there's the UN game. 
The United Nations game, Yeah, 

775
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160
another major player known for 
their sophisticated operations 

776
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
and those international 
connections. 

777
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,280
The sources describe them as 
having this like almost 

778
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,240
corporate like structure. 
Yeah, like a legitimate 

779
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,200
business, but with much Parker 
activities. 

780
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,960
It's a chilling thought. 
It is. 

781
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,000
It really highlights how 
adaptable and organized these 

782
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,000
groups are. 
OK, so we've got these 

783
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,680
established gangs with all their
history and their power, but 

784
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,600
what about newer groups trying 
to make a name for themselves? 

785
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,240
Well. 
One trend we're seeing is the 

786
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:25,040
rise of what are sometimes 
called Diala dope gangs. 

787
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Diala dope gangs. 
Yeah, they're a bit different. 

788
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,560
How so? 
They're more loosely affiliated.

789
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,760
They don't have that same kind 
of hierarchical structure. 

790
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,960
That sounds pretty 
straightforward. 

791
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,600
It is. 
It basically describes groups 

792
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,520
that operate mainly through cell
phones. 

793
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,520
OK taking drug orders and 
delivering them directly to 

794
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,200
customers. 
So less emphasis on controlling 

795
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,800
territory and more on like quick
transactions. 

796
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,320
Yeah, it's a reflection of how 
the drug trade itself is 

797
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,760
changing. 
Yeah, you know, with technology 

798
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,160
playing a bigger and bigger 
role. 

799
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,680
But even with these new models, 
violence is still a constant. 

800
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Sadly, yes, Yeah. 
Even though these groups might 

801
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,760
be less structured, they're 
often armed, and they're willing

802
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,800
to use violence to protect their
interests or to settle disputes.

803
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
It's scary how easy it seems to 
be to get involved in that 

804
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,040
world. 
It's a real concern. 

805
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,360
OK, so we've talked about the 
players and how the nature of 

806
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
gang activity itself is kind of 
changing, right? 

807
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,960
But what about the reasons 
behind it all? 

808
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,680
That's a big question. 
I just like, why do people, 

809
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,160
especially young people, get 
involved in these dangerous 

810
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,200
lives in the first place? 
Well, there's no single answer, 

811
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,040
OK? 
There are so many factors that 

812
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,680
can contribute and it's often 
different for each person. 

813
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,560
The sources point to things like
poverty, like social exclusion, 

814
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
lack of opportunity as kind of 
common themes. 

815
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Definitely for a lot of young 
people, especially those from 

816
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,440
marginalized communities, gangs 
offer a sense of belonging, 

817
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,400
identity and even, you know, 
some financial stability that 

818
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,240
they just don't see anywhere 
else. 

819
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,240
It's sad how these individuals 
can be lured into a life of 

820
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,120
crime when they feel like they 
have no other options. 

821
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,000
It's a complex issue with deep 
roots. 

822
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,120
And then there's that whole 
issue of family history and 

823
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,720
generational trauma. 
Oh yeah, absolutely right. 

824
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,720
Many people involved in gangs 
come from families with a 

825
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,080
history of, you know, criminal 
activity or substance abuse. 

826
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,880
It creates this cycle that's 
really hard to break. 

827
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,840
It's a tough one. 
And then, of course, there's 

828
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,760
that allure of the gangster 
lifestyle. 

829
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,760
Yeah, the whole glamour and 
excitement. 

830
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,720
Which is often glamorized in 
movies and music. 

831
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,440
Oh definitely. 
The sources mentioned colors and

832
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,400
boys in the hood as examples. 
I remember those movies. 

833
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,400
There were powerful films, but 
they also inadvertently 

834
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,040
contributed to that 
romanticization of gang life. 

835
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,880
It's a tough balance. 
It is portraying those stories 

836
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,360
realistically without making it 
seem appealing. 

837
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,360
That's the challenge. 
And then we have to consider the

838
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,720
impact of social media. 
Oh, huge. 

839
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,520
It's become a major tool for 
gangs to recruit new members and

840
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,920
spread their influence. 
It's a worrying trend for sure. 

841
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,960
How so? 
Well, these platforms can 

842
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,480
provide a distorted sense of 
validation and community for 

843
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,600
young people who are seeking 
acceptance and gangs are very 

844
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,480
good at at exploiting that. 
That's really disturbing. 

845
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,280
It is. 
It's a new frontier in this 

846
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,120
whole fight against gang 
violence. 

847
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,720
OK, so we've got the evolving 
drug trade, the fentanyl crisis,

848
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
the recruitment of young people,
social media. 

849
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,840
It's a lot to deal with. 
It is a multifaceted challenge 

850
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,080
for sure. 
So what about the response? 

851
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,840
How have law enforcement and the
community tackled this issue 

852
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,960
over the years? 
Vancouver has a long history of 

853
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,160
specialized units and task 
forces dedicated to fighting 

854
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,320
gang violence. 
OK, you know, we talked about 

855
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,920
the Vancouver Police Gang squad 
formed in 1986 and the Bar Watch

856
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,200
Association that started in 
1995. 

857
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,600
Those were important steps, but 
as the problem changed, so did 

858
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
the response. 
So what kind of changes were 

859
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,080
made? 
Well, for example, in 2004, we 

860
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:52,120
saw the creation of the Firearms
Interdiction Team or FAT OK, and

861
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,200
also the British Columbia 
Integrated Gang Task Force. 

862
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,960
And those were both formed in 
the same year. 

863
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,680
Yes, they were. 
Interesting. 

864
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,840
They were created to address 
that escalating violence and the

865
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,880
need for a more coordinated 
approach. 

866
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,400
OK, And then there's the 
violence suppression team. 

867
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,280
The VST. 
Created in 2007, right? 

868
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,560
What was their focus? 
Well, they were a direct 

869
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,520
response to the surge in gang 
related homicides during those 

870
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,640
Vancouver years. 
So it seems like there's been 

871
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,960
this constant effort to adapt 
and respond to how gang activity

872
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,120
is changing. 
Oh, absolutely. 

873
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,480
It's a dynamic problem that 
demands a dynamic response. 

874
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,800
And it's not just about law 
enforcement either, right? 

875
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,920
You're right, there have been a 
lot of community based 

876
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,760
initiatives focused on 
prevention, intervention and 

877
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,200
rehabilitation. 
So those programs that aim to 

878
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,840
give youth positive those 
alternatives exactly and maybe 

879
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,200
address some of those underlying
social and economic disparities.

880
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,120
And also help those who want to 
leave gang life behind. 

881
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,000
So it's this multi pronged 
approach. 

882
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,280
It is. 
It's about recognizing how 

883
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,800
complex this issue is and 
addressing it from all angles. 

884
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,880
And so the idea is not just to 
catch the bad guys, but to 

885
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,920
actually get to the root of the 
problem. 

886
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,400
And offer real ways out. 
And has it been working? 

887
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,840
Well, it's a tough question to 
answer. 

888
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,120
There have definitely been 
successes, but it's an ongoing 

889
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,960
battle. 
The sources mentioned that gang 

890
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,760
related homicides decreased in 
the years after that gang coover

891
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,080
peak. 
That's encouraging, but the 

892
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,160
numbers can fluctuate and the 
underlying issues persist. 

893
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640
It's like one step forward, 2 
steps back sometimes. 

894
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,920
Yeah, but the commitment to 
tackling this issue remains 

895
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,480
strong. 
That's good to hear. 

896
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,280
It is. 
It's a complex problem that 

897
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,200
demands a long term commitment 
and a lot of collaboration. 

898
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,040
So it's not just about arrests 
and prosecutions. 

899
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,040
It's about building trust with 
communities, gathering 

900
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,400
intelligence, encouraging 
witnesses to come forward, and 

901
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,480
creating a sense of shared 
responsibility. 

902
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560
So a real community effort. 
Exactly takes a village. 

903
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,760
Well said. 
OK, so we've covered the 

904
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,280
evolution of gangs, those key 
players and some of the 

905
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,960
underlying causes and the 
response from law enforcement 

906
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,360
and the community. 
It's a lot to digest. 

907
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,760
It really is, but we're not done
yet. 

908
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Oh, there's more. 
There's more. 

909
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,920
We'll be right back with the 
final part of our Vancouver 

910
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,880
gang's deep dive. 
Can't wait. 

911
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,680
Welcome back. 
It's the final part of our deep 

912
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,360
dive into Vancouver's gang 
landscape. 

913
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,880
We've gone through so much 
already. 

914
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,880
Yeah, we have from the 
historical roots of gang 

915
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,040
activity to, you know, those 
really complex factors that 

916
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,520
continue to drive involvement. 
And we've seen how law 

917
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,920
enforcement in the community 
have, you know, tried to respond

918
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,560
and adapt to this ever evolving 
challenge. 

919
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Exactly. 
So now in this last part, we're 

920
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,600
going to explore that path 
forward, right? 

921
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,960
Yeah, and what's next? 
What are some of the biggest 

922
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,040
challenges today And you know, 
what are some of those potential

923
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160
solutions that are kind of on 
the horizon? 

924
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,320
The big question. 
Yeah, OK, so let's dive into 

925
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,800
that, right? 
What are some of the most 

926
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,400
pressing concerns facing 
Vancouver right now when it 

927
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,960
comes to gang activity? 
Well, one of the toughest 

928
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,040
challenges, it just has to be 
the constantly evolving drug 

929
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,160
trade. 
OK. 

930
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,080
We talked about those Dial A 
Dope gangs and how technology is

931
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,880
playing a bigger role. 
Those new models make it much 

932
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,400
harder for, you know, 
traditional law enforcement 

933
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,920
tactics to be effective. 
It's like a never ending game of

934
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
cat and mouse. 
That's a good way to put it, 

935
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,400
yeah. 
And then you have the whole 

936
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,120
issue of fentanyl. 
Oh yeah, that's been a major 

937
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,520
crisis, not just in Vancouver, 
but really across the country 

938
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,120
It. 
Really has Fentanyl is this 

939
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,280
incredibly potent synthetic 
opioid that's basically flooded 

940
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,560
the drug market. 
And it's incredibly dangerous. 

941
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,640
It is, and it's led to a huge 
spike in overdoses. 

942
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,160
And sadly, a lot of those 
overdoses are happening within 

943
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,240
the context of gang activity. 
So these gangs are basically 

944
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:39,200
profiting from this deadly drug 
and, you know, putting their own

945
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,200
members in the whole community 
at risk. 

946
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,720
It's a tragic situation for 
sure. 

947
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,320
OK. 
So we've got the evolving drug 

948
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,120
trade, we've got the fentanyl 
crisis, Yeah. 

949
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,760
What other challenges are kind 
of like top of mind? 

950
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Another major concern is the 
recruitment of young people OK, 

951
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,040
especially those from vulnerable
communities. 

952
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,480
Yeah, we talked about how gangs 
target people facing poverty, 

953
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,760
social exclusion or lack of 
opportunities. 

954
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,400
Right. 
The kind of offer that, you 

955
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880
know, sense of belonging, a 
sense of purpose. 

956
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,400
But it's a really dangerous 
path. 

957
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,960
It really is. 
It leads to violence and 

958
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,880
exploitation. 
Yeah, it's heartbreaking how 

959
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,240
easily young lives can kind of 
get derailed. 

960
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,280
And then there's the issue of 
firearms. 

961
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,640
Guns. 
Yeah, it seems like gangs have 

962
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,360
no trouble getting their hands 
on guns. 

963
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,520
Yeah, that's a scary thought it.
Fuels that cycle of violence. 

964
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,240
OK. 
So we've got all these, you 

965
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:31,120
know, really complex challenges.
Are there any potential 

966
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,840
solutions out there like what's 
being done to really tackle this

967
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,840
issue? 
Well, one promising approach 

968
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,160
that's gaining traction is a 
focus on prevention and early 

969
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,240
intervention. 
OK, so like reaching out to 

970
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,280
young people before they even 
get involved with gangs? 

971
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,680
Yeah, exactly. 
Intervening early on can make a 

972
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,520
huge difference. 
And how do they do that? 

973
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,960
Well, there are programs that 
work with at risk youth 

974
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,600
providing mentorship and support
and really just opportunities. 

975
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,080
OK to see a different path. 
Giving them a positive 

976
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,560
alternative to that gang life. 
Exactly. 

977
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,520
And it's not just about working 
with individuals, right? 

978
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,160
It's about addressing those 
underlying social and economic 

979
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
conditions. 
Yeah, like tackling poverty 

980
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,480
exactly. 
Improving access to education 

981
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:14,880
jobs. 
Safe Communities. 

982
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,880
Creating safer communities, 
Yeah. 

983
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,960
It's really a holistic approach,
you know, recognizing that all 

984
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,040
these issues are connected. 
So it's kind of like this 

985
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,720
upstream approach. 
Yeah, trying to prevent the 

986
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,280
problem before it even starts. 
OK. 

987
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,720
And then there's still the role 
of law enforcement. 

988
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Right. 
Continuing to target gang 

989
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,640
activity, disrupting those 
criminal networks, getting those

990
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,040
illegal guns off the streets. 
Yeah, but it's not just about, 

991
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,160
you know, arrests and 
prosecutions. 

992
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,320
No, you're right. 
It's also about building trust, 

993
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000
OK and relationships with 
communities. 

994
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,160
That's so important. 
It is you need that trust to 

995
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,400
gather intelligence, to 
encourage witnesses to come 

996
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,040
forward and really create that 
sense of shared responsibility. 

997
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,200
OK, so it sounds like a 
multifaceted approach is key. 

998
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,160
It's absolutely. 
It requires collaboration and 

999
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,960
coordination between law 
enforcement, community 

1000
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,480
organizations, social workers, 
educators, families. 

1001
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,920
It really does take a village. 
It does. 

1002
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,840
And I guess we need to remember 
that there's no quick fix. 

1003
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,480
No, this is a long term 
commitment. 

1004
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Takes ongoing vigilance, 
adaptation, yeah. 

1005
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,320
And a willingness to constantly 
learn and evolve. 

1006
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,840
OK, so as we wrap up this deep 
dive, is there a final thought 

1007
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,680
you want to leave with our 
listener? 

1008
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,200
Something for them to ponder as 
they kind of continue to learn 

1009
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,080
about this issue. 
I think it's crucial to remember

1010
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,240
that behind the statistics and 
the headlines, there are real 

1011
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,400
people, yeah, whose lives have 
been impacted by gang violence. 

1012
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,200
The victims, the perpetrators. 
The families, the communities, 

1013
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,880
yeah, it's a reminder to 
approach this issue with empathy

1014
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,640
and understanding and 
compassion. 

1015
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
To see the human side of it. 
All exactly. 

1016
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,200
Yeah, we need to seek solutions 
that address both the symptoms 

1017
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,240
and those root causes. 
And never give up hope for a 

1018
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,560
safer, more just future. 
For everyone. 

1019
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,080
Well said. 
Thank you. 

1020
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Thank you for joining us on this
deep dive into Vancouver's gang 

1021
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,480
landscape. 
It's been a, you know, sobering 

1022
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,960
journey. 
It has. 

1023
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,000
Incredibly insightful. 
Definitely. 

1024
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,840
And remember, knowledge is 
power. 

1025
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,160
It is. 
The more we understand about 

1026
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,840
this issue, the better equipped 
we are to be part of the 

1027
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,680
solution. 
Yeah, well said. 

1028
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,160
Until next time, keep exploring,
keep asking questions, and keep 

1029
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,440
striving for a better world. 
I like it for everyone. 

1030
00:59:28,560 --> 01:02:07,440
See you next time. 
Music. 

1031
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:13,480
Music.