1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,160 You know, as I said, I'm very honored to have him as a friend. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,800 He's had a quite an amazing life from being a professional boxer 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,120 to being bodyguards for some scary people and some, I think 4 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:12,840 some celebrities too. You said David. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,120 So David, please introduce yourself and and tell a little 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,280 bit about your background and some of the people you worked 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,680 with and you know, the little little snapshot of what the life 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,760 of David Bella. Thank you for having, Mark. 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,040 My name is David Velloy. I'm a 62 year old male. 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,000 I'm a born again Christian now and my I've been out of the 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,280 crime scene since 2004. It's my last sentence was 2002. 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,640 I've been in a lot of organized crime families. 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:58,540 Italian, Portuguese 1981. I was in the front page of Mike 14 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:00,340 de Silva's house was being bombed. 15 00:01:00,380 --> 00:01:07,100 I was his bodyguard. Bikers in Toronto and also here 16 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:10,100 in and on the island, Vancouver Island. 17 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:14,900 I work with the Colombians with the Cubans and I I was. 18 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:19,460 I was arrested on $1,000,000 extortion on this Robert 19 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:25,140 involved with Robert Bidwell who was Robert Vesco's partner who? 20 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:30,300 Had an island off the Cuba under Castro's protection. 21 00:01:32,420 --> 00:01:35,060 I've been involved with a lot of, a lot of people, a lot of 22 00:01:35,060 --> 00:01:39,220 organizations, And yeah, I have quite the insight on the 23 00:01:40,780 --> 00:01:44,260 organized crime and drug addiction because I was a drug 24 00:01:44,260 --> 00:01:47,740 addict myself. Your name of your friend that 25 00:01:47,740 --> 00:01:51,190 was a boxer, Eddie. Eddie Mellow, Eddie Mill. 26 00:01:51,190 --> 00:01:55,190 He was a top contending boxer. He was a Was he a middle weight 27 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:57,430 or what was his weight? He was a middle weight 28 00:01:57,470 --> 00:01:58,670 hurricane. Middle weight. 29 00:01:59,110 --> 00:02:02,710 Extremely talented. Yeah. 30 00:02:02,710 --> 00:02:06,750 He was a savage in the ring. He was a real probably one of 31 00:02:06,750 --> 00:02:09,110 the best in my opinion. Probably one of the most 32 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:12,550 underrated and one of the best Canadian boxers of all time. 33 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:18,030 In my opinion, he ended up being an enforcer for the Montreal 34 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:19,030 mom. Is that correct? 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,600 That's correct. Yeah. 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,320 So when you're talking about this Mike De Silva, just so 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,040 people understand that they want to do a little research, Mike De 38 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Silva was kind of in the heart that we won't get in this 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,280 episode. We'll do an episode specifically 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,040 about that. But I just want to provide some 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,960 context to some of the names that David I just brought up. 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,460 And then the guy in the island, the Vesco, he was like high up 43 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,860 and he would, he would think he would like he had a direct 44 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:49,380 connection to Castro and and with the Colombian cartel. 45 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:52,780 So basically they bought an island and they were trafficking 46 00:02:52,780 --> 00:02:56,780 massive amounts of cocaine. And yeah, it's a crazy 47 00:02:56,780 --> 00:02:59,140 fascinating case. The world will do an episode 48 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:01,460 just on that because it's just such a mind blowing thing. 49 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:05,540 So the point is David was on the top of the, the top one 50 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:09,620 percenter type of criminals that you know the top 1% like 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,000 Colombian cartels, the mafia out of Toronto, two families out of 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,600 one out of Toronto, one out of Hamilton, the Montreal mafia, 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,960 which is Montreal is a very mafia city. 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,280 And then also working for the directly as a bodyguard for the 55 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Colombian cartel. We talked a little bit about 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,000 that some of the earlier podcast. 57 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,800 So yeah, David's really the real deal here. 58 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,200 And that's why I'm grateful to have a lot of true crime 59 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:42,620 podcasts and television shows and things like that. 60 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:45,180 You know, they talk about these things, but they don't have a 61 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:48,820 first hand source, right? David's a first hand source, a 62 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:51,980 survivor of this world. So if in my opinion, it's a real 63 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:55,180 honor to have them about two areas, we're going to talk about 64 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:58,700 his life case against you in which you won. 65 00:04:00,580 --> 00:04:03,900 Yeah, break that down first like cuz that's very fascinating. 66 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:05,620 You. Yeah, you really, you basically 67 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:08,220 ran Nanaimo and then I for people don't understand that 68 00:04:08,220 --> 00:04:13,500 Nanaimo is a major city in the in the drug pipeline. 69 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:17,820 And I released. I was released from Kent in 9096 70 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:22,940 from from segregation, doing 2 1/2 years of segregation. 71 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:29,810 I was released from segregation out to society, which I had. 2 72 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:33,770 something years left of mandatory to do and I I 73 00:04:33,770 --> 00:04:35,530 successfully did that. Mandatory. 74 00:04:35,530 --> 00:04:40,850 I I I did some but I went back to boxing and I fought on 75 00:04:40,850 --> 00:04:43,250 pay-per-view on the commando challenge too. 76 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:46,090 I went posted that fight too. I had that place. 77 00:04:46,090 --> 00:04:49,130 I'll post it again. Yeah, I won that fight. 78 00:04:49,130 --> 00:04:53,090 And from that fight the promoter was from who lived on the 79 00:04:53,090 --> 00:04:56,090 island. That's how I became the island. 80 00:04:56,650 --> 00:05:00,740 And so I. I I I met Don Arnot who promoted 81 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:02,460 that fight. So I I love the island. 82 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:04,340 So I decided to come to the island. 83 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:06,940 But at that time I was, you know, I was living a clean life 84 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:11,700 and I was married. But during that time my my wife 85 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:15,660 relapsed and she had yeah, she had another man's child and 86 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:18,100 that. Yeah, that made me. 87 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:20,060 I lost it. And then I went back to 88 00:05:20,140 --> 00:05:23,420 everything that I was for and and. 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,640 And people who knew me because, you know, I had that, you know, 90 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,720 fame as a fighter, you know that that attracts people. 91 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,480 And anyways, yeah. And then I started the I started 92 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,840 my shit again. And yeah, and what happened was 93 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,360 this town, the junkies, it was a lot of needles here. 94 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,800 And when crack came out, I brought crack to this island 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,030 and. Yeah, and police sort of let me 96 00:05:53,030 --> 00:05:56,470 go because it took the needles off the street, right? 97 00:05:56,470 --> 00:05:58,870 Right. Yeah, so I They gave me. 98 00:05:58,990 --> 00:06:01,150 They gave me grace. They didn't bother me. 99 00:06:01,150 --> 00:06:02,150 They let me. They let me. 100 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:05,950 I made a lot of money, man. They just let me sell my drugs, 101 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:08,390 you know, I was doing what I was doing. 102 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:10,070 I wasn't doing so much violence then. 103 00:06:10,630 --> 00:06:13,070 But then a little later on, I started doing the violence. 104 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:17,870 That's when they decided they wanted to arrest me. 105 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:20,710 And they and they they. They didn't bust me. 106 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:25,550 What happened was they there was a news clipping that came out 107 00:06:26,230 --> 00:06:31,550 that this the mayor of Nanaimo wanted to know why the police 108 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:35,310 spent over $1,000,000 trying to arrest me when they have Hells 109 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:39,310 Angels and other you know triads and other gang members here and 110 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:44,190 nothing was ever spent on that kind of amount to arrest anybody 111 00:06:44,230 --> 00:06:47,380 and there and. They said, well, David was a 112 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:49,740 high individual. We had our reasons. 113 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:53,100 You know, he has bunkers of explosives and that's what they 114 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:56,300 assumed that I had and that was the reasoning. 115 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:59,180 But they didn't, they didn't find nothing and nothing was 116 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:02,180 arrested. So that's so you know I just let 117 00:07:02,180 --> 00:07:06,900 you know about that story about the $1,000,000 race not me and 118 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,780 arrest mentioned before to me David member you mentioned 119 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:14,580 before like the when you basically you know Ran Nanaimo 120 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,560 yes what organizations you working you're working with or. 121 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,000 Well, I I worked with, I worked with a Mexican. 122 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,840 The people I was involved in were involved with the Mexican 123 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,360 cartel, right? OK. 124 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,120 So I was got any scarier than that. 125 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,480 Yeah, there was. Yeah, they like pretty. 126 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,680 If anyone ever watches narcos that we know what what the what 127 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,360 the Mexican cartel can get up to they they they're pretty, pretty 128 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,800 ferocious, right. So. 129 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Very ferocious and there's two two guys out of Victoria that 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,600 were partners. I will mention their last name 131 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,840 of course one's the guys names Nick and the other guy is big. 132 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:02,520 James and I worked for both of these guys and they they 133 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:10,400 supplied me all the best drugs, best drugs and and plus I had. 134 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:13,620 Their crew. Also the make. 135 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:16,820 You know, I had their crew, which, right, if you needed, if 136 00:08:16,820 --> 00:08:20,380 you needed extra muscle, you had unlimited muscle, yeah. 137 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:25,660 And people also knew, like other other heavies on the island, 138 00:08:25,660 --> 00:08:27,420 knew who I was involved with too. 139 00:08:27,460 --> 00:08:30,100 So that also gave me grace too, right? 140 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:32,740 Yeah. So yeah that's who I was 141 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:36,620 involved with with with Nick and James they were they they had 142 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:39,299 full control of the of this island pretty much. 143 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:42,419 So I wanted to bring that up because and then I was 144 00:08:42,419 --> 00:08:45,460 interested in bringing the Naimo up because the Naimo and then 145 00:08:45,460 --> 00:08:48,860 lot of ways is kind of like the pipeline into Vancouver. 146 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:51,620 Far as a drug deal, drugs come from a lot of different places 147 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:58,100 airports, the land, the border. But Nanaimo is a major portal 148 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:01,780 you know from you, right. So a lot of the drugs, do you 149 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:05,220 feel that most of the drugs that you that went through your hands 150 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:07,980 that they kind of just stay on the island or did they're also 151 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:11,520 lots go over like to the mainland and stuff? 152 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,400 Oh yeah, they, they go all over. They've come through the ports 153 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,120 and that from here they go to, you know, from Victoria. 154 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,720 They they move, you know, like also they go into the States 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,360 from here to the reservations. So you know, because we got pot, 156 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,120 they send the pot over, they send a Coke over or vice, so 157 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,280 whatever, you know, you know, guns and weapons, yeah, it's 158 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:41,550 just one big circle man. So this for like OK there you 159 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:43,830 know again this for the listeners, right. 160 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:46,990 So drugs, drugs is a heavy business, right. 161 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:50,550 It's a heavy, heavy business and and running that business is you 162 00:09:50,550 --> 00:09:54,110 got to have a heavy hand. So The thing is, is this is that 163 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:56,350 people want to use drugs sometimes they don't have the 164 00:09:56,350 --> 00:10:00,350 money to pay for drugs and you know, obviously not getting 165 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:03,710 explicit or implicating yourself and anything but just talking 166 00:10:03,710 --> 00:10:08,990 generally typically how does one besides taking drugs and 167 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:12,590 overdose and besides that, how does one get in trouble with 168 00:10:12,590 --> 00:10:14,710 drugs besides you know the taking drugs. 169 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:19,910 Like what are the some of the scenarios that you've seen were 170 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:25,350 someone that say they get drugs on consignment or don't want to 171 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:28,230 pay for them or don't have the money either to maybe break down 172 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:31,950 that aspect of it. You know that makes sense, but. 173 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,520 Being a drug. Being a being a successful drug 174 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,800 dealer you want to get. You want to find somebody that 175 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,760 has a lot. You want to get them addicted so 176 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,800 you can start taking their homes, their boats, jewelry, 177 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,760 their guns, whatever they have. That's you want to get somebody, 178 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,080 You give them the drugs for free, man. 179 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Here you get them, get them, get kind of get them hooked, so to 180 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,080 speak. Get them fish on the fishing 181 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,800 line, you get them hooked, get them wired and that person is 182 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,790 yours. And that's what you want. 183 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:03,870 You know, I had a couple of millionaires on on my payroll, 184 00:11:03,870 --> 00:11:06,350 You know what I mean? And you, you just give them, 185 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:08,070 man. You just give them and you give 186 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:11,270 them and then you have then then you want you have people that 187 00:11:11,390 --> 00:11:13,070 eventually run out of their money. 188 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:14,710 You know, they're not millionaires. 189 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:18,430 So you know, they have maybe had homes or had condos, you know, 190 00:11:18,430 --> 00:11:22,950 or you know, had nice vehicles. They work and then they have no 191 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:26,110 more nothing. What they do is that you know 192 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:28,460 they. To get their high, they'll do 193 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:30,620 anything. They'll, you know, they'll rip 194 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:34,540 off drug dealers. They'll steal from their family 195 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:37,660 members. They'll do whatever they takes 196 00:11:37,660 --> 00:11:41,980 to get that, that drug day that they leak. 197 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,140 Yeah, because they've been, they have such a habit, you know, 198 00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:49,140 because they've been using and you just can't cut them off, you 199 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:50,770 know? Yeah. 200 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:54,770 So yeah, I tell a story. In my Vancouver Beautiful and 201 00:11:54,770 --> 00:11:57,090 Ugly series. I had a roommate, and I don't 202 00:11:57,090 --> 00:11:58,490 think I ever told you this story, David. 203 00:11:58,490 --> 00:12:01,970 So I'll tell it really quickly. So this guy moved in. 204 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:05,130 I was like, I was a kid, right? I was like going. 205 00:12:05,130 --> 00:12:08,730 I was just out of high school. I think it was only 22, maybe 206 00:12:08,730 --> 00:12:11,180 20-3. Yeah, this guy was older than 207 00:12:11,180 --> 00:12:12,740 me. He was like in his 30s. 208 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:14,660 He had a he had his own business. 209 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:18,740 He delivered auto parts like to round the city so people would 210 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:21,140 call him, oh, I need this. I need a starter, right. 211 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:23,540 And he had a good business. He was kind of like what they 212 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:28,100 call it with a Courier, but for for the auto part business. 213 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:31,580 We created this business from scratch, made good money. 214 00:12:31,940 --> 00:12:33,900 He had. When I moved into his house, I 215 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:36,260 was like into his house. He rented me a room. 216 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:38,940 But actually, the house wasn't his, but he was sharing a room 217 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:40,390 together. We're sharing. 218 00:12:40,390 --> 00:12:42,470 We're sharing a suite together. So he had a room. 219 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:45,630 I had a room, right. So when I when I moved in, all 220 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:48,550 the furniture in the living room was his, you know, had a TV, had 221 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:51,430 couches. He had a bedroom set. 222 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:54,270 He had a car. He had a truck. 223 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:56,430 He had a boat. He had a motorcycle. 224 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:58,950 And I'd come home. So I was going to school. 225 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:00,950 I'd come home from school. I'm like, oh, the couches are 226 00:13:00,950 --> 00:13:02,630 gone. Oh, the T V's gone. 227 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:05,350 Oh, the bed's gone. Oh, the car's gone. 228 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:07,590 Oh, the truck is gone and the boat is gone. 229 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:10,450 And I'm not kidding, David, he he was left. 230 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:14,770 All he had was a mountain bike and he was sleeping on one of 231 00:13:14,770 --> 00:13:17,410 those, you know, those blue foamy things. 232 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:19,090 When you're camping, I think it's called the insulate. 233 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:21,130 You know where you go camping. It's like a blue roll. 234 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:24,130 Put out your sleeping bag. So just like a little like a 235 00:13:24,130 --> 00:13:29,090 foamy roll, he was sleeping on that and and he had no money for 236 00:13:29,090 --> 00:13:31,930 rent anymore. So the the landlady kicked him 237 00:13:31,930 --> 00:13:35,480 out and and then and then I don't know high out of his mind 238 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,000 he decided that he was going to ride his bike to Yellowknife. 239 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,400 I don't know if he made it or not. 240 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,160 I don't know if any but but his friend who was a tree planter 241 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,880 came to visit him and soon as his friend came into the house 242 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,240 saw everything gone and I told him, hey, what was going down he 243 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,440 goes, oh shit he's doing coke again. 244 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,960 And I've seen that with other like quote mayor talk a lot 245 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,570 about my friend Kevin. He got a student loan within 246 00:13:59,570 --> 00:14:06,010 about 3 or 4000 bucks blew it in one weekend on coke just it's 247 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:09,290 it's it's crazy. So in your experience, it's just 248 00:14:09,290 --> 00:14:12,610 in generally speaking did you find that the coke people that 249 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:15,730 use coke more rabbit or is it the heroin there or is it 250 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:19,130 equaled if it it just if it just depends on their their appetite? 251 00:14:20,850 --> 00:14:24,530 Well, you know, once you get started, you can't stop. 252 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:27,610 You just can't stop. People are, as you get become 253 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:28,970 such a pig on it. You right. 254 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:34,380 You just kind of stop. Yeah, you just stop it. 255 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,300 And then plus, you have friends that you know you don't want to 256 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:38,540 be. You don't want to be alone. 257 00:14:38,820 --> 00:14:40,700 And you got all these people that love you. 258 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,100 And Oh yeah, you're my best friend. 259 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,100 I would kill for you. I do this for you. 260 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:46,620 I do that when you're flying the OH. 261 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:53,540 Plus, you got all the the girls in her and you know you're the 262 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:57,880 right, you're the man. Then over all that run. 263 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,560 So there's all those people. Yeah, for sure. 264 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,360 I I, you know over the years you have known a few escorts you 265 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,240 know ladies of the night and stuff like that. 266 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,120 And they would tell me about crazy calls they'd get they'd 267 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 make like 5 grand on the weekend. 268 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,040 The guy would even want sex. He's so high out of his mind on 269 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,480 below and they're just like yo keep it going keep making calls 270 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,000 for him because you know the key the long as the party's going 271 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,960 they're getting paid. They don't even have to do it. 272 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,040 I think the guy's just so out of his mind. 273 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,330 And I've heard that scenario quite a few times over the 274 00:15:29,330 --> 00:15:30,570 years. Back I used to work in, you 275 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:34,370 know, bars and nightclubs and stuff and a lot of escorts and 276 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:36,610 stuff would come in some of the places I worked. 277 00:15:36,610 --> 00:15:39,370 And I, you know, I got friendly with them as customers. 278 00:15:39,370 --> 00:15:41,890 And you know, you know, a lot of them were, you know, for to me, 279 00:15:41,890 --> 00:15:43,250 you know, I didn't use them and stuff. 280 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:45,770 But for me and them, they, you know, where we were on good 281 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:48,050 terms and they were nice to me and things last. 282 00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:50,730 So they tell me all these crazy stories and stuff and some of 283 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:53,570 them pretty pretty like you know, some of the I won't get 284 00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:56,090 into it now but some of the stories were also pretty like 285 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,880 what some of these guys were into. 286 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,680 But but my point is, is that people change on these things. 287 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Like you know what I mean? I've seen it. 288 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,400 I've seen it firsthand. You're a nice mild mannered. 289 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,520 I've worked in the stock market industry seen a lot of drugs in 290 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,920 there and they just become very grandiose and crazy and their 291 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,520 appetites get big for prostitutes and kinks. 292 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,000 And you know what I mean? It really, it really does 293 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,210 something to some people's like personalities were it's like 294 00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:29,610 they they can't control themselves anymore and it's I've 295 00:16:29,730 --> 00:16:32,690 I've seen and I'm probably sure you've seen even more of your 296 00:16:32,690 --> 00:16:36,090 background maybe Breakdown likes like like some of the more 297 00:16:36,090 --> 00:16:39,050 extreme examples where a guy just was starting to dabble and 298 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:41,890 then at the end like how much money that some of these people 299 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:46,290 like burnt through. Well, that when you you were 300 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:49,410 talking about your friend owning a business, well like again and 301 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:53,490 I and I, I was telling you about being a successful drug deal 302 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:55,480 you. You want to get somebody hooked 303 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,600 and sink. While there was one guy who 304 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,560 owned the pizza company pizzas, couple chains, he had a couple 305 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:08,440 stores and I got this guy all wired on coke and I ended up 306 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,480 owning. We ended up owning his 307 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,240 businesses. Yeah, we ended up owning his 308 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,160 businesses, took it from them legally and and from there his 309 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,440 business. We had our drug dealers not only 310 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,020 delivering pizzas. Hope we were delivering coke. 311 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:26,940 Legit. Oh wow. 312 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:29,780 So when they would someone say they want a special pizza? 313 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:36,860 Wow or even or even not even we were just you know have a you 314 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:42,020 know we'll have a pizza driver who is up in our crew bring 315 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:45,340 pizzas but on the way making a stood up dropping up a key or a 316 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:49,260 couple of keys or picking up key you know cuz we had he was 317 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:52,140 legitimate he was a Pete. If he got pulled over, he. 318 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,360 Doing a pizza thing, right, Right. 319 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:01,320 So, yeah, so we got this guy for all his, got him for everything 320 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,680 and every. And you know what? 321 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,760 It's so bad that he came to the. I couldn't give him no more. 322 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,760 I mean, I, you know, I couldn't give him his day at this. 323 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Last thing he could give me was his shoes. 324 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,800 Oh my God. His shoes and I felt so bad for 325 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,520 him. I felt so, yeah, they were good 326 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,880 quality shoes, right? So that. 327 00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:26,380 Wow. So what do you think though? 328 00:18:26,380 --> 00:18:28,900 OK, like this is, this is, as you know, more of a 329 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,940 philosophical question, the like the, the root of addiction. 330 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:35,860 Like, again, that's like, what do you think just from all your 331 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:38,700 years you've seen, you've been around a lot, you've seen a lot 332 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:42,980 of stuff and seen a lot of tragedies, tragic cases. 333 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,620 What do you think? Is that the root of this 334 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:46,020 addiction? Like, what do you think it's 335 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:48,540 feeding besides the high, you know what I mean? 336 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:50,900 Like there has to be something more than just the buzz, if that 337 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:53,480 makes sense. You know what a lot of it has to 338 00:18:53,480 --> 00:19:00,760 do with the media, with TV and, you know, music. 339 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,240 You know, glamorizing, glamorizing this world of, you 340 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,200 know, you'll see TV on the drug dealers and you know, the Al 341 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Capone like Scarface and everybody sees this glamour and. 342 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,400 And yeah. And a lot of people are naive, 343 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,040 you know, they see, they see can have a handle on it. 344 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,280 Oh yeah, I can quit anytime. Yeah, they got a lot of money to 345 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,960 their life is a bore. You know that? 346 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,600 You're married. They want a little something 347 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,800 extra and they don't know what they're getting themselves into 348 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,760 because they're naive to it, right? 349 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,520 And once they get started, then the devil bites the man. 350 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Because it's the devil's drug, right? 351 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,400 He has to call it the devil's dandruff. 352 00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:49,290 That that and it's true because you know there's a story about 353 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:55,170 cocaine the the the coca leaf was because they they the back 354 00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:59,850 of the years before they they used to take this they enslave 355 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:04,290 the the Colombian people and and so the the chiefs got together 356 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:06,730 and they put a curse on the western world with the coca 357 00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:09,970 leaf. All right, yeah, I see what 358 00:20:09,970 --> 00:20:13,570 you're saying because again too, it's like if you go to like my 359 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:17,330 my wife, that password, that she was actually Peruvian and you 360 00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:20,010 know, they use coca leaves, like, you know, for tea and 361 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:24,370 medicinal stuff, but cocaine is a very different thing. 362 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:29,010 It's like you know they take it takes a ton of leaves, £1000 of 363 00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:33,100 leaves to make a make a pound basically of Coco paste and then 364 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:37,020 that gets mixed with all kinds of like like kerosene and 365 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:42,020 chemicals and and you know by the time it gets to the street 366 00:20:42,020 --> 00:20:45,420 like the stuff that's in it. And you know what I mean it's 367 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:47,860 it's just like you said you like it. 368 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:51,860 I remember, I remember I was at a party once and this person 369 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:56,960 brought out a big thing of coke and I could smell it like across 370 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,320 the room. Like it was like because it was 371 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,560 like in a yet it in a bag and it was, it was quite like, it was 372 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,800 quite, quite big. It was like probably the size of 373 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,120 like, you know, those, you know, those pool ball cues. 374 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:11,320 It was probably about like four times the size of that, like in 375 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,160 a big block, but like a big square, right. 376 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,120 You know, using that as a a measurement thing, like a cool, 377 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,800 those pool cues, but four time, but four times of those, four of 378 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,880 those together. And I remember you opened the 379 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,600 bag and you could smell it across the room and it was just 380 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,560 like this potent, like really like intense, like chemical 381 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,440 odor, right. So the stuff that's in it, it's 382 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,520 like it's it's very like it's a very intense, it's a very like 383 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,840 powerful chemical. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a 384 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,120 chemical, right. And the the thing that I've seen 385 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:47,870 with cocaine addiction is that I think in a lot of the cases too, 386 00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:52,070 it gives people kind of like bipolar or chemical imbalances. 387 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:55,150 And so I've known a lot of people that were able who did do 388 00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:58,990 lots of it, and they got off it and it's like they're never the 389 00:21:58,990 --> 00:22:00,430 same again. You know what I mean? 390 00:22:00,430 --> 00:22:02,590 Like there's something like this almost like they have a type of 391 00:22:02,590 --> 00:22:05,350 like, almost brain damage. Like it's like they they fried 392 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:07,950 their brain out, you know? And then someone says, oh, yeah, 393 00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:10,070 this guy used to do like an ounce of coke a week. 394 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:15,020 I'm like whoa well not surprised you know so it seem like like 395 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:17,780 the the physical effects it has like I remember one time my 396 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:21,180 friend Kevin who was a pretty bad coke at it. 397 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:25,340 I went and visited him once. I cuz he wasn't answering his 398 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:29,100 phone and he he's to live with his mother believe it or not. 399 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:32,220 But his mom had a nursery and she had kind of like a coach 400 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:35,900 house that was in the nursery and he lived in there and I 401 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:38,940 knock on the thing and go, OK come on in and the whole place 402 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:40,660 is just like a disgusting pig style. 403 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:44,080 He hasn't left. He hadn't left the his apartment 404 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 for over a week. I go in his bedroom and I'm not 405 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,920 kidding, Dave. It was so disgusting. 406 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,880 He had a bathroom across the hall. 407 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,440 He was so paranoid, like, so paranoid. 408 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,480 But leaving his room he was peeing in containers like milk 409 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,200 containers, cups and stuff. I'm like, what's that I'm like 410 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,080 and it stunk so bad. So I've seen like the the the 411 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,920 behavior that it caused and I'm like, say you have a bathroom 412 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,800 And he lived by himself. He lived by himself. 413 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,360 He was so like, wigged out. He claimed leave his room. 414 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,740 That's called cocaine psychosis. Oh, definitely. 415 00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:19,300 And then one time he told me that he was so paranoid that 416 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,100 someone was going to break in his house. 417 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:24,060 I I didn't know. I didn't know where he got it. 418 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:26,460 I didn't ask. He was that paranoid. 419 00:23:26,620 --> 00:23:30,460 He was kneeling at the mail slot because it his door had like a 420 00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:32,060 mail slot to push the mail through. 421 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:36,100 And he was kneeling at the mail slot looking through the mail 422 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:39,260 harm and he had a gun and he was paranoid that someone was coming 423 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:40,340 to raid. I'm like, well, who do you 424 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:43,260 think? I don't know somebody, somebody 425 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:45,900 as and he actually had knee he hurt. 426 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:47,700 He actually had knee issues after that. 427 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:51,180 Yeah, you know, cuz they be up for so many hours, no sleep. 428 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:54,420 That's. And another thing with cocaine 429 00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:57,820 where they make that in the jungle you don't risk, you see a 430 00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:00,420 lot of people picking at her skin, right? 431 00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:02,700 Yeah. There's a, there's a little 432 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,060 parasite in the jungle that's so small that gets into the drug 433 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:08,460 that that the ether and all that doesn't kill it. 434 00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:11,140 And it gets it in. Yeah. 435 00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:13,550 Oh yeah, I've seen it. It gets into the drug. 436 00:24:14,030 --> 00:24:20,590 And yes, so when people inject it and even yes, it gets into 437 00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:22,790 their bloodstream, into their veins, that's why you see them 438 00:24:22,790 --> 00:24:25,590 picking, because they see these little bugs. 439 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:29,550 Yeah, I heard about that in India. 440 00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:32,830 Cuz given like everyone, like Kevin, he'd always be scratching 441 00:24:32,830 --> 00:24:34,750 himself. He'd make me feel itchy, you 442 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:36,350 know what I mean? Like he'd make me feel he's 443 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:39,220 scratching and and I'm like dude, go have a shower like 444 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:42,780 you're you're you're making me. Well you're making me. 445 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:45,140 Yeah. You know, that's what I'm saying 446 00:24:45,260 --> 00:24:47,780 And the reason I bring this up because he's brought up 447 00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:51,420 something interesting because in the 80s you'll buy me 5 448 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:54,860 Scarface. You know guy doing coke with all 449 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:57,940 these attractive women and you know getting the, you know, the 450 00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:01,540 hookers on, you know, the sex workers on on television. 451 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:04,430 You know they're always gorgeous and you know they're either they 452 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:08,150 do they they they did do a really great job of glamorizing 453 00:25:08,150 --> 00:25:08,510 it. Right. 454 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:12,430 Glamorizing it the money and somehow it's cool and again but 455 00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:14,790 that like the stockbroker guys that did it they always thought 456 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:18,110 it was like a cool status thing or you know I remember there was 457 00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:21,270 this this is hilarious. There was this Courier company 458 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,550 downtown Vancouver. When I ex I when I worked in the 459 00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:25,550 stock industry. I won't say the name of the 460 00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:28,590 company in case it's so around but this Courier company, they 461 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:31,750 they would call them and this guy would call me in with the 462 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:35,600 uniform, you know and had this Manila you know, business type 463 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,600 of envelope and it was cocaine in it And and yeah, I seen it 464 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,720 like even in the in the office environment this is like kind of 465 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,520 kind of early 2000s, early 2000s, late 90s. 466 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,840 And you know these men, they're supposed to be, you know these 467 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,000 gentlemen in suits and drive nice cars and stuff. 468 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,200 I've seen them this go down to Alito. 469 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,920 They they make some big money on the stock market. 470 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,050 Next thing you know, they divorced their wife of 30 years 471 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:07,410 or their escort is now their girlfriend. 472 00:26:07,410 --> 00:26:09,130 You know, of course they're paying through the nose. 473 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:11,730 Come in the office at 7:00 in the morning. 474 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:15,330 The guy's wearing his same suit that he has been all week and 475 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:17,090 he's chopping a line on the desk. 476 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:18,890 Right. And he just looks horrible. 477 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:21,370 He looks listless, like he looks like his head's going to 478 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:24,050 explode. And you know that that really 479 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,810 grossed me out. And course that, you know, I 480 00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:30,140 didn't. I, I, I quit that industry for 481 00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:33,340 many reasons, but that was one of the main ones because of the 482 00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:36,620 excessive boozing, the drugs. And they always acted like it 483 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:38,660 was just the most awesome thing in the world. 484 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,700 And I'm like, you know this seeing their lives ruined. 485 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,500 I haven't almost none of them kept their money. 486 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:47,460 None of them kept their families or probably their families hate 487 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:48,500 them. And a lot of them are probably 488 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,420 dead now, heart attacks and stuff. 489 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:54,060 Because you know, when you're stimulating, you've been up for, 490 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,900 you know, when you're in your 40s or 50s and you might have an 491 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:00,630 underlining heart condition and you're just blasting yourself 492 00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:04,110 with a pretty powerful stimulant, you're you're taking 493 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:06,350 a massive toll on your health and stuff. 494 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:08,750 So I've seen a lot of people's health deteriorate. 495 00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:10,510 Did you? I knew a guy. 496 00:27:10,510 --> 00:27:12,430 I know you. If you know him, I don't want to 497 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:14,950 say his name because, you know, again, I will say that, but he 498 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:18,430 was Mr. Canada at one point and he was a shorter guy. 499 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:20,510 He was a bodybuilder. He had a great build. 500 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:23,190 He was a, he was a very talented bodybuilder and he probably 501 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:28,680 could have went pro, but he, he got busted I think for a steroid 502 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,960 bus because he was working at the Vancouver airport. 503 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,520 And then when he came out of jail, he got really heavy into 504 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,680 the, you know, the blow and stuff and you know, yeah, he. 505 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,040 So he went from being this high caliber, you know, world class 506 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,240 bodybuilder, like doing like these really like international 507 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,600 contests to living on Hastings. Street, you know. 508 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:58,500 You got you got all kinds of athletes professional athletes 509 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:06,420 you know like daddy. Daddy who who who is who is Tad. 510 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:11,380 Sorry Taunty who was murdered in the in the United States. 511 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:15,140 He there was such a world champion multimillionaire, but 512 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:20,220 he couldn't give up to the his, his lifestyle, You know, as a as 513 00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:23,660 a drug guy, as a drug dealer and a gangster. 514 00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:26,820 And hearing it making millions is such a professional fighter 515 00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:28,420 and he ends up getting assassinated. 516 00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:31,340 Was that the one where he got, Was that the guy they got 517 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:34,300 strangled and he actually thought that it was his wife or 518 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,180 girlfriend or ex-girlfriend filled him? 519 00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:38,060 That was John. That was Gotti. 520 00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:40,420 But he was not involved in drugs. 521 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:42,540 No, that's a different story. That's different case. 522 00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:45,420 So that's yeah. That's but even when we 523 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:49,060 mentioned my brother Eddie Mellow and here at this, he was 524 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,300 very successful. He's a 19 year old. 525 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,860 He became professional at the age of 17. 526 00:28:55,580 --> 00:29:02,140 He was successful Canadian athlete who brought boxing PP. 527 00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:03,940 Boxers. Got the money because of him, 528 00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:08,740 because he made it, made it famous Canada, famous boxing. 529 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:14,140 Here you have a guy who who is now he was assassinated by who 530 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:18,700 allegedly Mike de Silva, who I was working for in 81, his 531 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,780 bodyguard because Eddie introduced me to him. 532 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:25,310 To protect him. But back in 2000, he was, Eddie 533 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:31,390 was assassinated and Mike got arrested for that, but he ended 534 00:29:31,390 --> 00:29:34,430 up beating it in court. Here's Eddie. 535 00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:38,190 He was, God bless his soul, he was had his hands involved in 536 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:43,630 all kinds of big things, man. I mean, you know, I used to, I 537 00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:44,950 used to work for Eddie, you know?