1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,920 Welcome to the dark mind. Detective, this is chapter. 8. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Shredded truth. Systemic. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,360 Failures in the Picton case. How does one of Canada's most 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,280 prolific serial killers. Operate for decades. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,920 Right under the noses of law enforcement. 6 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:23,720 In this shocking chapter, we exposed the. 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,720 Catastrophic investigative failures. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,680 Missing files destroyed evidence that let Robert Pickton slip 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,680 through the Crocs again and again and again, from a near 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,880 fatal stabbing of a woman in 1997 to mounting reports of 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,840 sexual assault, abductions and witnessed testimony. 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,600 But none of this. Was enough to stop them. 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Why? We'll take you. 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,360 Deep. Into a timeline of miss 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:04,120 opportunities, institutional neglect, and a crown file. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Destroyed in violation of a 70. 5 Retention policy barrels. 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,600 Suspected to contain. Human remains never opened, 18 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,320 critical DNA evidence simply ignored. 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,000 You'll also. Hear about early warnings going 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,360 back to the 19. 80s including whispers. 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:36,880 Of snuff films, missing babysitters and freezers 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,520 allegedly holding body parts long before picked and became a 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:48,320 household name. And we'll look in the insights 24 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,120 from Forensic. Experts. 25 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Who believed Picton began killing far earlier than 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,840 authorities admit. Perhaps as early. 27 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,960 AS 1970. Was. 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:11,280 This just incompetence or a much darker cover up in this. 29 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:17,480 Episode I lay out the. Evidence, the failures and the 30 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,440 haunting question at the heart of the case. 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:30,640 Who was protecting? Robert Picton and Why? 32 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:42,400 So this is Chapter 8. Files from the 1997 attempted 33 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,720 murder case were picked in almost murdered a woman were 34 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,880 destroyed by the BC Criminal Justice Branch. 35 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,920 Many other files have gone missing. 36 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,480 Why is it bizarre? Destroying or losing critical 37 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,560 evidence in an ongoing serial murder investigation is almost 38 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,440 unthinkable in a any competent legal system. 39 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,960 A case where a monster walked among us for decades, his 40 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,200 horrific crimes unfolding into the shadows while a trail of 41 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,800 disturbing clues and miss opportunities laid scattered in 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,880 plain sight. We're talking about Robert 43 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:31,520 Picton, the notorious pig farmer from Port Coquitlam, BC, whose 44 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,720 name became synonymous with unimaginable horror. 45 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,840 His story isn't just about the disappearances of vulnerable 46 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,640 women. It's A and what many would call 47 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,120 outright incompetence that allowed a predator to thrive to 48 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,000 the devastating realization that he was a highly capable and 49 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,440 frightening killer. We ask the uncomfortable 50 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,960 question, is this a case of simple incompetence or something 51 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,840 far more disturbing? History of this case, from its 52 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,080 murky beginning to its convoluted end. 53 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Incidents of oversight, destroyed evidence, and legal 54 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,680 technicalities allowed this darkness to persist, leaving a 55 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,720 permanent stain on the fabric of justice. 56 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,320 To understand the full scope of the tragedy and the failures 57 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,600 that allowed it to unfold, we must rewind the clock. 58 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Long before Robert Picton became a household name, even in the 59 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,480 1980s, a disturbing pattern began to emerge, a series of 60 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,160 incidents that in hindsight, painted a clear picture of a 61 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,720 very dangerous individual. These are not isolated events, 62 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,920 but rather early warning signs. Red flags. 63 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:03,080 One of the earliest and most chilling connections to Picton's 64 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,360 dates back to 1985 with the homicide of Pauline Johnson. 65 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,040 Her body was discovered disturbingly close to the 66 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,280 Picton's residence and Porcoquitlum. 67 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,760 While not immediately charged, Picton was considered a person 68 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,960 of interest by the RCMP. Why? 69 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,720 Because of his proximity to the crime scene and known 70 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,080 possessions of boning knives, tools that would later take on a 71 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,680 far more sinister meaning, his association with sex workers, 72 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,080 documented incidences of violence, and a disturbing for 73 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,640 using restraining devices. These were not minor details, 74 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,680 but significant indicators that should have triggered a more 75 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,360 thorough investigation into his activities. 76 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Yet the trail grew cold even earlier. 77 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,680 In the 1980s, allegations surfaced linking Picton to an 78 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,760 assault and kidnapping. While specific details remain 79 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:20,120 elusive, far removed from his eventual arrest underscores A 80 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,720 deeply troubling pattern of behavior that was present for 81 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,800 decades. These were not an action of a 82 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,960 man suddenly turned to violence, but an action of a predator 83 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,640 whose dangerous tendencies were already manifesting. 84 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Perhaps the most glaring miss opportunity occurred in 1989 85 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,840 involving a sexual assault in Surrey, were picked, and again 86 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,320 was named a suspect. What happened to that file? 87 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Oh, it was lost, or more accurately, destroyed. 88 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:08,040 This wasn't an isolated incident, It was a a systemic 89 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:13,200 failure in record keeping and evidence retention within the 90 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,560 justice system. Imagine a suspect in a violent 91 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,560 sexual assault and the very document that links him to the 92 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,360 crimes vanish. This pattern of disappearing 93 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,560 files would become a reoccurring and infuriating theme throughout 94 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,200 the Picton saga. Let's Fast forward to 1997. 95 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,440 We encounter the most critical turning point, a moment where 96 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,280 the system had a clear chance to stop Picton, but failed. 97 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Miss Anderson was brutally attacked by Picton on his farm, 98 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,280 stabbed 4 times. She narrowly escaped disarming 99 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,120 him and even managed to stab him with his own weapon. 100 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Picton was charged with attempted murder. 101 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,480 This was a direct, undeniable link to his violent nature, yet 102 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,560 charges tragically stayed on January 27th, 1998. 103 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,000 The reason given? Miss Anderson had drug addiction 104 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,640 issues, and the prosecutors believed her testimony was too 105 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:35,400 unstable to secure a conviction. This decision, made with a 106 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,840 chilling disregard for the victim's trauma and the 107 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,159 potential danger picked and posed, allowed him to walk free. 108 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:52,000 Imagine all the lives they would have saved the $200 million 109 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,520 investigation if they just Simply put her in rehab, gave 110 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:05,280 her some therapy. No, that would have been too 111 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:13,880 easy. To compound this failure, the 112 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Crown file from this case was later destroyed and two and June 113 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:28,000 of 2000 or August of 2001, a blatant violation of policy that 114 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,000 requires such serious criminal files to be archived for 75 115 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,400 years. The destruction of this critical 116 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,960 evidence in an ongoing serial murder investigation is almost 117 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,000 unthinkable in any competent justice system. 118 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,880 The disturbing events continued in 1999. 119 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,080 In April, a new West minister, Picton, allegedly sexually 120 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,520 assaulted and attempted to strangle another sex worker. 121 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,960 She too managed to escape, willing to testify against him. 122 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,280 In May or June of the same year in Burnaby, a sex worker 123 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,640 recognized Picton and recounted how he threatened her. 124 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,160 These are not vague suspicion. These were direct accounts from 125 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:33,200 These were not vague suspicions. These were direct accounts from 126 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,240 victims and witnesses willing to come forward. 127 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,080 And yet, the full weight of the law was not brought to bear. 128 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,760 A pattern was clear. Picton was a known threat. 129 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,960 His violence was escalating and the system time and again failed 130 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,160 to intervene effectively. By the late 1990's, the 131 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,440 disappearances of women from the Downtown Eastside had reached 132 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:04,040 have reached a critical point. Whispers of a serial killer grew 133 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,680 louder, and finally, law enforcement began to focus their 134 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:14,600 attention on Robert Picton. But even with the increased 135 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,760 scrutiny, the investigation was plagued by a series of missteps, 136 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,320 communication breakdowns, and a shocking lack of urgency that 137 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,680 allowed Picton to continue his horrific spree and his 138 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:36,080 activities involving barrels. Police observed him at least two 139 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:42,280 occasions in 1999 delivering these barrels to the West Coast 140 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Reduction, A rendering plant located near the Downtown 141 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,200 Eastside. This was not a random 142 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,000 observation. Information tips have already 143 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,880 suggested that Picton was disposing of human remains at 144 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,920 the rendering plant. Yet despite this critical 145 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,640 intelligence, police failed to intercept or inspect these 146 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,240 barrels during their surveillance. 147 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:18,400 The contents of those barrels remained a chilling mystery, a 148 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,080 testament to a monumental miss opportunity. 149 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,120 Investigation delays became a reoccurring theme. 150 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,880 In August of 1999. The Port Coquitlam RCMP 151 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,560 considered obtaining a search warrant for Picton's resident. 152 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,520 An affidavit was even drafted for wiretap authorization, but 153 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,200 astonishingly it was not submitted after Crown counsel 154 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,760 advised against it. The police instead of pursuing 155 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,200 other investigative avenues like undercover operations or 156 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,880 recording conversations with potential accomplices. 157 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,680 The lack of urgency in such a case demanded was conspicuously 158 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:16,000 absent. Even when Robert Picton himself 159 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,200 presented an opportunity, it was squandered. 160 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:26,760 In January 2000, he attended the RCMP detachment for a voluntary 161 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,200 interview. However, the investigator was 162 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:37,000 unprepared, failing to provide the standard rights, warning the 163 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,160 interview was improperly conducted. 164 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:50,040 An incredibly Picton's friend Gina Houston was even allowed to 165 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,000 answer questions on his behalf, further compromising the 166 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,720 integrity of the process. This was a direct encounter with 167 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:09,080 a suspect, and yet it yield a little or no accountable 168 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,760 intelligence due to procedural failures. 169 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,760 Another critical miss chance involved DNA evidence. 170 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,880 At one point offered to let the police search his property for 171 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,120 DNA. This offered was not taken up. 172 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,480 It was yet another Ave. to gather critical evidence that 173 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,720 was left unexplored. Furthermore, there was the early 174 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,520 survey of sex workers that did not initially identify Picton, 175 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,480 but later surveys in August of 1999, in August, in April of 176 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,000 2000 revealed that several women recognized him and had 177 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,120 disturbing encounters. This vital information, however, 178 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,520 was not effectively communicated or acted upon by various 179 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,600 investigative teams. The collective knowledge about 180 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Picton, which could have led to an earlier apprehension, 181 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,520 remained fragmented and under utilized. 182 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,760 The investigation during these critical years was marked by a 183 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,160 devastating combination of insufficient resources, poor 184 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,080 interagency coordination, and a profound failure to act 185 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,040 decisively on credible leads and information tips. 186 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Surveillance was conducted. Critical opportunities such as 187 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,720 inspecting the barrels or conducting a proper interview 188 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,720 were repeatedly missed. The RCMP. 189 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,280 The VPD did not prioritize the investigation as they should 190 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,720 have, and these systemic failures allowed Robert Pickton 191 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,280 to evade detection and continue his monstrous crimes for years, 192 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,960 leaving a growing trail of missing women and shattered 193 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,200 lives. The long dark shadow cast by 194 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Robert Pickton finally began to lift an early 2000 not through a 195 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,920 breakthrough in the missing woman's investigation, but 196 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,240 almost by chance. On February 6th, 2002, police 197 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,880 executed a search warrant on Picton's property, not for 198 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,120 murder, but for an illegal firearm. 199 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,800 During the firearm search, officers made a grim discovery. 200 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,480 What they saw on the property was enough to secure a second 201 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:42,000 and more significant warrant. The search of the farm and part 202 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,880 of the BC Missing Women's investigation. 203 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,080 The sheer scale of what they uncovered was staggering. 204 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Personal items belonging to the missing women women who vanished 205 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,640 from the Downtown East Side were found scattered throughout the 206 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,360 property. The farm, once a place of 207 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,920 sinister secrets, was now sealed off. 208 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,160 A massive crime scene meticulously combed by members 209 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,800 of the joint RCMP Vancouver Police Department task force. 210 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,079 Initially, Robert and his brother were arrested on weapons 211 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,680 charges, while his brother was later released. 212 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Robert Picton was kept under intense police surveillance. 213 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,840 The net was tightening and just over 2 weeks later, on February 214 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,320 22nd 2002, Robert Picton again was arrested and this time 215 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,720 charged with two counts of first degree murder in the death of 216 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Serena Abbott's Way and Mona Wilson. 217 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,720 These were just the first charges. 218 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,880 As the investigation deepened and grim discoveries mounted, 219 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,880 more charges would follow, eventually reaching a total of 220 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 26 counts of first degree murder. 221 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,720 The pig farmer who invaded justice for so long was finally 222 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,440 in custody, and the true horror of his crime began to unravel 223 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:11,040 before a stunned nation. The arrest of Robert Picton 224 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,880 brought us of closure to some, but for but for many, it opened 225 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,560 a Pandora's box of questions. Grief. 226 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,720 A profound sense of injustice. The sheer scale of his crimes. 227 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:31,600 The DNA of 33 women were found on his property, including Nancy 228 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,720 Clark, a 25 year old sex worker from Victoria who disappeared in 229 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:43,440 1991, whose DNA was linked to the farm, highlighting the 230 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,480 devastating cost of the systemic failures that allowed him to 231 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,240 operate for so long. The fact that many of these 232 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,840 women, like Nancy Clark, had ties to Vancouver Island, and 233 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:02,160 that Picton himself was known to spend time there, only deepening 234 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,440 the tragic connections. This brings us to the 235 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:13,080 uncomfortable yet unavoidable question that has haunted this 236 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,360 case from its inception. Was this a case, a simple 237 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,240 incompetence, or something far more sinister? 238 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,040 The evidence laid bare through the inquiry's investigation 239 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,960 paints A damning picture of repeated failures at every level 240 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:40,320 of justice we've seen from the Crown files of the 1997 241 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,640 attempted murder case, shredded despite policies requiring it's 242 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,920 retention for 75 years. The lost case files from the 243 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:57,160 1980s, a pattern of critical documentation vanishing emerged. 244 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,400 These weren't isolated incidences were systemic 245 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,320 failures in record keeping that deprived investigators of vital 246 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,920 information and Hanford accountability. 247 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,880 The Pauline Johnson homicide in 1985. 248 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:20,160 The early 1980 allegations of assault and kidnapping, the 1997 249 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,200 attack on Miss Anderson were charges stayed. 250 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:28,560 The 1999 sexual assault and New West minister threats in Burnaby 251 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,640 each a clear warning sign, a chance to intervene that was 252 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,320 tragically squandered if the police had information witnesses 253 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,480 that were willing to testify. Yet the full force of the law 254 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,240 was never brought to bear. The turf war communication 255 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,080 breakdowns between Vancouver police and the RCMP were 256 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,160 catastrophic. Despite credible information 257 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,560 tips about barrels containing human remains, neither agency 258 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,200 took decisive action to inspect them. 259 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,880 The investigation was not given resources or priorities it 260 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,920 deserved, leading to a shocking lack of urgency in pursuing 261 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,240 leads. The improper conduct of the 262 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,200 volunteer interview with Picton in 2000, where he was not read 263 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:27,040 his rights and where his his girlfriend was allowed to answer 264 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,480 for him, exemplifies A profound disregard for proper 265 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,800 investigation procedures. The failures to follow up on 266 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Picton's offer to search his property for DNA, despite legal 267 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,600 concerns, represents another chance to gain critical 268 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440 evidence. So was it incompetence? 269 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:55,200 The sheer volume of consistency of these failures certainly 270 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,840 point to a deep seated, pervasive incompetence within 271 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,480 the system. It was a mix of indifference, a 272 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,560 lack of resources, inadequate training, poor communication, 273 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,800 and a failure to recognize the severity of the case, 274 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,920 particularly when it involved marginalized women. 275 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,280 The societal bias against sex workers, who were often 276 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,400 dismissed and dehumanized, played a role in the lack of 277 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,920 urgency in the thoroughness investigating their 278 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,200 disappearances. Robert Picton's case remains a 279 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 chilling reminder of the devastating consequences when 280 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,160 justice fails. So one thing I want to add 281 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,360 before I end this part is I was consulting and talking with 282 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:50,040 Doctor Rachel Toles, who's a, a forensic psychologist and she's, 283 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,960 if you don't know her work, I, I definitely please follow her on 284 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,320 social media. Doctor Rachel Toles, she's an 285 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,960 amazing speaker. She does really amazing live 286 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,200 events and she really dwells deep into the minds of serial 287 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,920 killers. And we were talking about Robert 288 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,240 Pickton and she's a real big believer. 289 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,800 The childhood development leading up to becoming a serial 290 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:24,200 killer predator on the record. The official note that Robert 291 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Pickton became a serial killer in the 1990s, which he would 292 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,560 have been about 40 years old, and she said that was absolutely 293 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,840 unheard of. The average age of a serial 294 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,320 killer starts about 27 years old, which would have been 295 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,840 around the 1970s. During that era was right when 296 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,880 his parents died. There was also the accounts of 297 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:57,880 people who attended the farm who a babysitter that was hired by 298 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,960 the family who disappeared. And when people inquired, 299 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,640 including her own daughter, Picton's just told, oh, she's a 300 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,520 drifter. I was reading in the testimony 301 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,640 on the farm by Stevie Cameron and she talks about this too. 302 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,200 And there was a woman named Kathy, I believe she was Dave 303 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920 Picton's girlfriend. And she even contacted the 304 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,120 police about this babysitter who disappeared in the 1980s. 305 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,120 No follow up, no police interview, even though the 306 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:32,320 daughter was looking for her. Just a another woman that just 307 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,040 vanished around Robert Picton. And then these women also 308 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,760 testified like how menacing he could be. 309 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,400 One time he was guest Dave Pickton and this same woman, 310 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,400 they were snooping and picked his room. 311 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,640 Maybe they shouldn't do that. And he picked and was pissed. 312 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,040 He hissed at her and he looked right at Dave and he hissed at 313 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,040 her. And he says if she ever snoops 314 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,200 in my room again, I will kill her. 315 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,920 And everyone, you know, these, these women were afraid of him. 316 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,480 There was another weird incident where he threw a glass of milk 317 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,800 in her face. Everyone described his behavior 318 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,800 as very odd, like he apparently had these very vicious dogs he 319 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,720 would feed raw meat too. And even back then in the 1980s, 320 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,040 there was whispers of snuff movies being made and there was 321 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,720 talks of don't go in those freezers, don't eat the meat in 322 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,960 those freezers. Been rumors of a woman of a pair 323 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,560 of women's legs in the freezer. And this is in the 80s. 324 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,880 So back to Doctor Rachel. It totally goes in line that he 325 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,360 was an active serial killer most likely in the 70s. 326 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,080 In the next segment, we're going to talk about why no senior 327 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,960 officials were ever held accountable as we go through 328 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,600 this. Fire hose of incompetencies, 329 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Files destroyed when searches are done, they're barely even 330 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600 done properly. Interviews that are not done 331 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,560 right. There's this like 1 bizarre 332 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,360 misstep after another. Like Gee, you think somebody 333 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,480 would have been in trouble? 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