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Bye. 
Hi. 

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There you are. 
Hello that worked like a charm 

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this time. 
Perfect, awesome. 

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Well, it's good for you to be 
back in life. 

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I'm glad we could make it work 
this time. 

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Oh, me too me too. 
We had a great conversation off 

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air, and then I pulled the did 
the post about it and, and yeah,

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you know, again, to be totally 
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Like my, you know, like my head 
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all the recent events and stuff.
So, I think this is a great time

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to have a conversation. 
I really appreciate you, you 

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know, taking the time to do this
and there's been a lot of 

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requests specially from women 
who ride, the sky crane and you 

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know, it's pretty pretty scary 
sometimes out there. 

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I agree. 
I think this is the perfect time

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and I'm passionate about not 
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are educating people and 
empowering people to be safe but

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especially women. 
I can definitely relate very, 

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very much with women because 
before I became a place, I mean 

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I've always been a woman but For
you can became a police officer.

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I can definitely relate to some 
of the stories that people tell 

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me all the time and some of the 
stories that you've told me and 

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some of your viewers have said 
they just don't feel safe. 

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And so if there's anything that 
I can do to help Empower women, 

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then that's what I'm here for 
prefer are absolutely. 

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So maybe let's go through some 
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talked about, you know, the more
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And then maybe go a little dig, 
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like certain scenarios and 
maybe, yes I do. 

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And then I also Also thought 
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with cinnamon, who's running for
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talked a lot about situations 
where D escalating the 

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situation, prevented a violent 
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I always end. 
Luckily, it got D escalated, it 

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lead to violence, and sometimes 
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stirred up and then you know, it
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some distance, D, escalation 
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The source. 
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tell people off the bat is no, 
the safety features before you 

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need them. 
So there's no point in in a 

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stressful situation. 
We tend to not think clearly and

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that's the fight, or flight 
flight or fight response and 

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your body sort of shuts down and
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Use, what is completely 
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So have all of those features 
memorize before you even come 

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into a situation. 
So the biggest First one I tell,

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people is if you're on the 
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train regularly, you will know 
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But some people just, they're 
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there's a yellow strip, a top of
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and that's a silent alarm. 
So if you push that, it sends an

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alarm to the control center and 
then they dispatch a Sky Train 

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attendant at the next available 
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So it might not be right away, 
but someone is coming to check 

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that train because the alarm is 
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And if you need Help. 
Then the sky Train attendant 

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will be able to get help for 
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They can call police. 
They have radios that they can. 

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They can connect to us. 
And they can say we need Transit

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Police right now and we will be 
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Okay, that's the most common 
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Also inside every Sky Train car,
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in progress, like an assault is 
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something that may happen. 
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progress now and you need help. 
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always want to call 911, right a
that's yeah, that's not 

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something that's ever 
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If normal one is obvious, 
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Mergency always number one, but 
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is, if you're in a articulated 
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sort of accordion connection, 
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The our cam is, is on the wall 
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can speak directly with Sky 
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them what you need. 
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happening. 
So they can dispatch police 

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right away or they can contact 
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right away and we can be there 
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tell people that if you're ever 
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find we're sort of taught that 
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We don't want to speak up for 
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And I'm going to get personal 
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If someone makes you feel 
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that instinct. 
You have to draw trust that gut 

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feeling, because it usually 
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So, you get that gut feeling if 
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and you think to yourself, hmm, 
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But I feel uncomfortable or I 
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Get up and move move, as close 
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of the bus, as you can and 
safely separate yourself create 

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distance from from that person 
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about being rude. 
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were, were told all the time. 
You know, you don't want to hurt

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someone's feelings or you don't,
you know what you're saying is 

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way more important than hurting,
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I always yeah. 
The bus driver is you want to be

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as close to the bus drivers? 
You can they also have an alarm.

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That they can push and that puts
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well and Communications, and 
they can also dispatch be in 

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contact with our dispatchers who
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So, don't wait for something to 
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If you. 
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I like to tell women is don't 
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there are two seats. 
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One is close to the aisle. 
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have an Avenue of escape and you
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before they happen. 
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to happen right now, how would I
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right? 
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window seat. 
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to you, they can sit at the 
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window-seat and it to me, that's
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I always say that I would rather
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Keep quiet and be right. 

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safety. 
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about being rude. 
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You know, and I've, you know, 
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that seat scenario and then 
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almost poor shoe, you know what 
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Like you put our bags and stuff 
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like some tiny little thing and 
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like a time. 
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especially alcohol or something 
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barrier. 
Creating you're eliminating your

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If something bad were to happen 
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right away and remove yourself 
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prefer. 
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wait for another study tour and 
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it's getting really rowdy. 
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you feel this all feel 
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off and just to see how it's 
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Some other suggestions to like 
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someone you trust. 
You can track your Movement by 

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sharing your location. 
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That way you can know someone 
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Okay, they're on the SkyTrain 
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They're en route and you know, 
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because yeah, you know, a lot of
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on the station platform or 
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lady, you know, who were talking
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an issue before and she got new 
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chased across the street with 
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cutter. 
That's never happened before, 

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right? 
So he really got to keep your 

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eyes and open and it seems like 
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situation is really out of 
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there being aware. 
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they're locked on their 
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They've got their headphones on.
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not, they're not present, and 
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safe, you have to be able to be 
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whether you're wearing One Ear 
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So the mirror, what's happening?
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You can hear somebody saying 
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but yeah, but don't compromise 
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don't want to talk to the guy 
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Who's on that train and know 
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standing on the platform as 
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I don't know where I'm going. 

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Find find the the route that you
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The fastest route and use the 
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You'll be able to catch that 
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buses, you don't want to The 
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right? 
And then the yeah, maybe let's 

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talk about likes of the 
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you know, and like I said and a 
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one of those paraphrase or told 
the story already, there was a 

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guy who was just me and another 
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like he was up for a few days 
and he started getting really A 

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animated and screaming and 
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of when I get mad, you know, 
people disappear and I just 

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started talking to him quietly, 
like, hey, did you have a bad 

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day, like in? 
So he kind of lowers his tone 

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and lowers his voice. 
And then he started talking to 

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me more like normally and 
strolling, you know? 

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Right. 
But I felt like if the SkyTrain 

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was crowded, someone might have 
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Could have escalated and because
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and, and I found a lot of 
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Like soft, quiet 
non-threatening, put your hand, 

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let go put your hands up or, you
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like body language and actually 
trying to that your, you 

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actually care about them, like, 
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You're having a bad day, like 
what's going on? 

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If you want to talk about it, 
and I found that this using that

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situations that seem like 

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they're either on drugs, or 
drunk or very emotionally 

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stimulated for whatever reason. 
Yeah, I agree and being a police

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officer. 
Officer we go through quite an 

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extensive amount of Crisis, the 
escalation tactics and 

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techniques that they teach us. 
And one of the things that is 

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taught very frequently is to 
identify with that person that 

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person in a, just a soft tone, 
try to remain calm. 

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You don't want to aggravate and 
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situation is is Just treat that 
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So for me, I just simply ask, 
are you, okay? 

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Is there anything I can help? 
I can help for you to calm the 

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situation down or what? 
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Are you okay? 
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Works the most for me because 
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your empathizing with the person
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someone to listen. 
Yeah, I'm fine. 

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People who are on drugs or 
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necessarily intoxicated because 
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intoxicated person. 
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It's like trying to argue a five
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easier. 
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homeless, you don't necessarily 
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that in the phone. 
Almost this is not a crime. 

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ignored and they're so used to 
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Like they're not people that if 
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with them and you say hello, how
are you or what's wrong? 

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It usually helps people 
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Now, I'm not saying that every 
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Use these techniques but always 
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hurt, try will remain remain at 
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tactically. 
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being in a sky train or a bus is
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So it's hard to kind of keep 
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just just treat people like 
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surprised at how well it works 
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situations. 
Like try not to always get that 

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one person that's in the corner 
that says being shut up, you 

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know, once it doesn't help. 
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sometimes. 
I feel like they're looking for 

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a confrontation. 
They want that? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
They want that response so that 

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they're justified in their next,
whatever they do, right? 

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Or they're the ones that want to
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definitely will not finish it. 
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for someone else to do that for 
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Yeah, the first ones dialing 911
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Yeah. 
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Those are the people. 
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Come out before too. 
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tea, like in a situation like, 
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Like, you know, and and, and 
maybe the person has a knife and

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it's just, you cannot get in 
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stabbed. 
And you know what I mean? 

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And then I thought, maybe it's 
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Then is try to help people off 
the SkyTrain. 

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Like there's old people like 
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or disabled kids, and try to 
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Use your ability to get other 
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Way, right? 
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think about that because We seem
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of disturbs me where we just 
want to film and and not really 

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help, right? 
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there and get stuck, they get 
that or try to fight the person,

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you could also use your ability 
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train or bus or whatever. 
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admirable that that we want that
as a society, I don't think it's

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realistic, I hope for people. 
I don't want people to put 

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themselves in a situation. 
Operation where they are at risk

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or but but you know, your 
physical abilities, you know, 

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say you have special training or
for me as if I'm off duty as a 

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police officer. 
I know what my skill set is. 

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I know what my skill levels are.
I know what I'm capable of and I

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know I can intervene and I know 
there's no other option for me. 

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That is what I do. 
I always intervene but for some 

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people that's not an option for 
them. 

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No, that's okay. 
That's the case, you know, 

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course, like, you know, we know 
we're Vancouver, we've had some 

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unprecedent, you know, 
situations like machete attacks.

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If someone's waving a machete do
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just, you know, I'm not gonna 
win, you're not going to win, 

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but if you can help someone get 
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you can least do that right now 
and in a perfect world. 

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I would hope that if you see 
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struggling with a walker to get 
out of the way with ya, he 

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doesn't get stabbed. 
I would hope that you would step

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in as a human being. 
I definitely hope that you would

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step. 
As a police officer, you have, I

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have to tell people, you can't 
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as a human being, I would want 
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Absolutely. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, you know again you know 
it's like it's like it's really 

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like disturbing for me because I
get like you know, if I have a 

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pretty large platform, I get 
messages every day. 

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I got the two women sent me a 
message to women and in a very 

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short time, one saw two people 
does bear spray. 

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A woman is for no reason and 
this another lady that works and

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Metrotown. 
I won't name the store but she 

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said she got pepper spray twice 
and know. 

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Her response was the second time
didn't hurt. 

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B is the first time it's awful 
there's like this new thing to 

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where it's just like the sneaky 
cowardice catch you unaware and 

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then you get blasted with bear 
spray or pepper spray. 

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And, and like you said, it's 
important that you pay attention

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to your surroundings. 
You see who's around, you see 

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who's menacing and, you know, 
let's check is he said, check 

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your butt, check the vibe, check
the person. 

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And they're usually looking at 
you stalking you the because 

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there they will, you know, if 
you have your head in the phone 

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or something. 
Yeah, it's pretty scary, right? 

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It's Yes. 
And I think that eye contact is 

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another huge thing when it comes
to not being a possible victim. 

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They're looking for people who 
aren't paying attention, they're

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looking for people who are an 
easy target and you'd be 

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surprised how effective just 
making eye contact with someone 

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and I undo the off-duty. 
I say hello to everybody, right?

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And if I am friendly, Is this 
99% friendly? 

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Most the time 1% rage but we 
will get it back. 

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I say hello to everybody that 
way. 

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They know that. 
I know that I had seen him. 

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Yeah, kind of. 
So say hello to people. 

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I mean it's just a simple simple
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I were a bad guy and I looked at
you as a potential victim and 

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you looked up and you look me in
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I'd move on to the next one 
because you're not pretty easy. 

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Yeah, crap. 
I have to move on to the next 

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one and that's in that small tip
is something that may keep you 

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safe and it's so undervalued. 
And so underused. 

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It's just just say hello. 
It's so simple for sure. 

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
And it kind of, yeah, as he 

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said, makes you aware of them. 
It's like taking that mental. 

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Snapshot in their head, or in 
your head. 

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Yeah, you know, there's a lot of
situations too. 

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You know, maybe something 
happens to someone, they get 

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assaulted or something like 
that, and they're embarrassed to

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come forward. 
I think there's a lot of, I 

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think there's a lot of stuff 
that's unreported because it's 

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such a great, human humiliation 
to it. 

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Especially some cultures to it's
like, it's, you know, it's could

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be pretty embarrassing for them.
How, what would you say for 

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someone? 
Maybe they had the situation and

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how would they best way for them
to come forward? 

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Even if it was like maybe a few 
weeks ago or or something like 

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that. 
So I always tell people that 

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That we care. 
And we it's so much easier to 

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investigate a crime that occurs 
if we have the evidence 

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immediately right away. 
And I find a lot of times with, 

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for example, sexual assault 
victims, who are grouped. 

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So, not necessarily, not what, 
what you would be, what would 

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you consider? 
The traditional sense, 

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traditional rice. 
So say you're on a crowded 

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train, And someone reaches out 
and touches your butt, right? 

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Would be a groping and some 
people are embarrassed by that 

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but also they feel like it's 
not, it's not a real sex 

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assault. 
So, nobody's going to Care, 

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nobody's going to take it 
seriously, but I always 

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encourage people to come forward
immediately because there's 

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diminishing evidence. 
So if you wait too long, there 

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could be physical evidence. 
There could be camera Evidence 

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that diminishes over time and 
you can't get that back. 

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So I would rather you again, be 
wrong, right? 

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And we have the ability and the 
evidence available to us to 

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investigate that crime and we 
can explain the whole process 

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sometimes. 
It's overwhelming for people, 

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right? 
They think if I call the police 

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they're going to want all this 
information. 

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They're going to court, I don't 
want that scares me. 

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I don't I don't know what that's
like and we we will explain 

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every step of the process to you
and if at any point you want to 

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withdraw from that process 
that's fine but it's so 

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important to get that evidence 
right away and know that that 

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you matter that yeah into you 
absolutely matters and if you 

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shouldn't brush it off and 
sometimes even influences from 

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people's families, they're 
embarrassed about what their 

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families are going to say or 
their friend, a Well, you just 

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grabbed your bite. 
It's no big deal. 

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No. 
But it is a big deal and it 

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happened to you and it's 
important and that is what we 

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want to investigate and it may 
be about grab for you. 

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But what about the next person? 
Yeah. 

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And the person, you know, find 
and then lot of these cases, 

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like, historically may start off
groping and they work their 

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nerve up and they start getting 
more and more serious crimes and

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stuff like that. 
A question too is another thing 

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because of there's like this 
uptick of tea, Violence. 

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So there's a lot of, you know, 
normal did teens that, you know,

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take the SkyTrain, you know, go 
to Metrotown and and, and, you 

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know, the do the do things that 
normal teenage do. 

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And it seems like there are a 
lot of personal cases. 

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There's a high rate of robbery, 
what would you say to those 

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parents said, what's the best 
thing for them to do? 

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If their kid comes back and say,
oh, I was on the bus or and I 

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got jacked my backpack and my 
earbuds. 

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Well, obviously report it. 
Obviously, that's the first and 

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foremost after the fact you can 
call Depends on what city area, 

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you can call non emerge, for 
whatever jurisdiction, Police 

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Department, your City live in or
you can call us and we can 

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investigate that. 
But it's so, it's so important 

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to speak to your children and 
try and educate them on 

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obviously, it's not their fault,
but how to educate them on, not 

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being a victim. 
So, it's hard with. 

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I find my children because 
especially teenagers because 

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they want to fit in. 
They want to be clear, so they 

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want the Air Jordans. 
They I want all of the fancy 

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things and they want to be able 
to show that they have all those

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things. 
They want the newest cell 

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phones, they want the beets. 
They want all the cool things 

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bargain. 
Unfortunately, it does. 

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And we can teach, we can try and
teach children we can tell our 

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kids till we're blue in the 
face. 

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That you know, don't wear your 
four hundred dollar Air Jordans 

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on the train or on the bus or 
don't showcase here. 

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You're just like you would never
go and wave around a wad of 

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cash, right? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Counting hundred dollar bills 

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down the street, right? 
Yeah, and I lot of times the 

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kids are afraid, they often go 
to the same school, so they're 

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afraid of retaliation, they're 
afraid groups of kids and it's 

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never. 
Okay, any assault is never. 

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Okay, so I can understand where 
they're coming from because they

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have to see these kids every 
day, but we just have to, we 

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have to report it. 
We have to have those 

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conversations with our children 
that Any time any type of 

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physical violence is not okay. 
And whether or not you want to 

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follow through with the criminal
justice system is is up to you 

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and you can withdraw that at any
time. 

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So I think it's important that 
we sit down and have those 

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conversations with our children 
and then also we can explain 

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that process along the way to 
parents and kids together, we 

449
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can all work together to sort it
out. 

450
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Ya know. 
It's it is an unfortunate 

451
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situation. 
We find ourselves in and 

452
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hopefully there's gonna be some 
solution Lucian's to deescalate 

453
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this because you know, again, 
you know, spank, you should be a

454
00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:48,300
fun place for everybody. 
People have these a train to go 

455
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to work to, you know, for their 
livelihood or Transit. 

456
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,400
And it's one thing, you know, 
you having to use Transit. 

457
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And, you know, do you doing long
commutes if you had live in 

458
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long, you know. 
But if your fear of all your 

459
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entire way that, you know, 
something's going to happen to 

460
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you, it's quite terrible, right?
It can be consuming, especially,

461
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I find for people who are 
possibly new to the country and 

462
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200
Not entirely comfortable with 
the transit system yet. 

463
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,100
So the idea of taking a train 
from downtown Vancouver to 

464
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Surrey Central is is 
overwhelming. 

465
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:27,300
And then plan, your route is so 
important to plan, your route, 

466
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know where you're going. 
No, the safety features of the 

467
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,700
train know who to look for on 
the platform SkyTrain attendants

468
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,600
where the bright yellow high-vis
vest. 

469
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,000
Look for officers were out and 
about and no most only we also 

470
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,500
have a text service so if you're
in a situation where you can't 

471
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,100
you want to be discreet and you 
can you don't say someone 

472
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:52,500
starting to freak out and you're
in an enclosed space like a 

473
00:25:52,508 --> 00:25:54,200
train car. 
And you don't want to draw 

474
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,000
attention to yourself. 
You can text us. 

475
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,400
So the number is eight seven, 
seven, seven, seven seven. 

476
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:05,000
Save that in your phone. 
Before you leave the house, and 

477
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,400
you can have that. 
And it, you just look like 

478
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,400
anybody else in the train. 
Just texting away. 

479
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,700
You can and it puts you in 
contact with our dispatchers. 

480
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,600
So, You can have real-time 
updates as to what the what the 

481
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,900
bad guys doing? 
How he's making you feel, does 

482
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,300
he have any weapons there and 
ask a lot of questions so that 

483
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,100
they can get the appropriate 
response available? 

484
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,600
So if he's got weapons that 
determines whether or not we 

485
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800
come lights and Sirens, right? 
Yeah, so it's really important 

486
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,500
that you try and get as much 
detail as possible and of 

487
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,800
course, if you get to a 
situation where your say, the 

488
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,800
train doors open and The bad 
guy. 

489
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,200
Now, has a knife out. 
We didn't have a knife before. 

490
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,400
That's an intermediate 911 call.
Right? 

491
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,400
My one for that because that 
will connect connect you with 

492
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,500
police much quicker than you 
would get that response that 

493
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:55,900
you're looking for. 
I'll prefer well I really 

494
00:26:55,900 --> 00:27:00,200
appreciate your time and you 
know the again we hope everyone 

495
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,100
who's watching this you know be 
safe. 

496
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,000
You don't pay attention to your 
surroundings. 

497
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,900
Have a plan. 
You know as I said you can use 

498
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:10,000
that share your contact with 
someone you trust so they can 

499
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
track your journey. 
Make sure you trust them though.

500
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Yeah, yeah, that's a sneaky out.
Yeah, but mowing the Lawns that 

501
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,400
yeah, for a family member, some 
family and you know, have a plan

502
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,400
to and always make sure that 
someone's going to be picking 

503
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,200
you up on the other side or at 
least aware of that rights 

504
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,800
because you know Amanda it's you
know terrible I live in 

505
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Vancouver all my life and I 
never had this level of fear. 

506
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,300
Even myself personally, in 3 
days, I had my kids park. 

507
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:39,800
I had people kit a teenager's, 
that weigh 100 pounds wearing 

508
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600
ski masks in the hot. 
Sun sunglasses there little man 

509
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,600
bags, probably bear spray in it.
And then I was at the store last

510
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800
night will 8:00 had two 
teenagers company medicine me. 

511
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800
So you know, this situation is 
not going to be good because 

512
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,600
they're going to be there, do it
to the wrong person and or you 

513
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,200
know, it seems like it's just 
this uptick. 

514
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,500
It just seems to be getting 
worse everyday and personally 

515
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,600
feel like now it's on my 
doorstep which is kind of 

516
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,300
concerning, you know? 
Yeah. 

517
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,600
And you know what? 
We've seen such an increase in 

518
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,500
teen violence and I think My own
personal opinion is during those

519
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:20,000
formidable years during covid. 
Yeah, especially for kids who 

520
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,000
needed that outlet of being at 
school and needed, that 

521
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,100
socialization period. 
It's really sort of open this 

522
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,600
door to chaos. 
I want to say about strange, is 

523
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,100
it strange? 
That makes my head spun. 

524
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,300
The kids are pepper-spraying 
they're stabbing each other. 

525
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:45,500
It's quite concerning and on to 
this and then this like just 

526
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,200
targeting people. 
Right for no reason. 

527
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,900
Yeah absolutely. 
I get sent these horrible videos

528
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:55,300
which I don't post a swarming 
and other or their horrific 

529
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,000
drops camp and they're targeting
each other there. 

530
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,300
Do ya on school property. 
They're doing it on public 

531
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:05,400
transit there and they're just 
spraying people for fun, which 

532
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,100
is shocking. 
Yeah, I know. 

533
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,100
It is really shocking. 
It's really shocking. 

534
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Well, I really appreciate your 
time. 

535
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:16,600
Hope you'll come back again in 
the future more and love to 

536
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:18,800
awesome. 
You have wonderful day. 

537
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:20,700
Thank you. 
Take care. 

538
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,400
Take care. 
Bye bye.