Welcome to Vancouver True Crime. My name is Mark, I'm the host of
the show today. I have a special guest in a
co-host. Please introduce yourself.
Hi. My name is Ryan Plusle.
I study at BCIT. I'm in the radio arts and
entertainment program and I specialize in journalism.
So you contact me when we've been going back and forth about
a month or so we'll give or take.
Yeah, about that. And then I've been sharing some
cases we've been looking at That lot of like that.
And what? Because of your 19 years old,
maybe talk a little bit about your background first like a
year and two Jiu-Jitsu you're in jiu-jitsu instructor and just to
tell the little audience about yourself.
Yeah. So like Mark said, I'm a
jiu-jitsu instructor. I'm also a Jujitsu competitor.
I have a particular interest in self defense and teaching people
how to defend themselves. That's why I got into the
coaching aspect starting with kids like School.
Violence is He's been not okay with me and then now getting
into the adult. Yeah, of course, now getting
into the adult self, defense area, and martial arts area,
teaching them how to defend themselves to.
And I started bcat two years ago.
And I reached out to mark because I had a particular
interest in the True Crime aspect of Journalism, especially
living in Vancouver, where crime is so elevated, and it gets
worse and worse. Every single day which seems
like an exaggeration but it's true every single day living in
Vancouver. You hear about things getting
worse and worse and worse. So a little bit about that
before we started the show and I was telling you about you know,
I've been doing this for about three years and in the
beginning, you know, I had to build up a whole bunch of
material and research because he knows new at a pub new material,
all my research and stuff and and even though I've written
some podcast like 23 years ago, I still haven't Them out yet
because so much stuff comes out and the new cycle that just puts
things in the head of a line. And then recently, it's just
like the, I can't keep up with the news cycle and the new cycle
doesn't represent the city that I, that I was born and raised in
anymore. Like, I didn't grow up in a city
that had random attacks and bear sprays and machetes and people
going gangs knifed on the bus and on the SkyTrain and you
know, Children, you know, going to go meet their mama and
texting their mom, saying, hey, I feel scared or someone on the
bus and the next scene doesn't make it home alive, you know?
This is not the so it is getting to be a very dangerous situation
and one of the things that I, you know, I'm grateful to work
with you is because one, your age, you're 19 years old.
And hopefully, you know, you can help reach more young people,
you know, get into martial arts and not use violence to solve
your Than and, you know, I mean we've create disciplined for
yourself and, you know, self-esteem and self-worth.
You're going to treat yourself better.
If you have these things, you're not going to get involved with
these, you know, these terrible things, right?
So I appreciate you having you on Ryan.
And now we've had some great conversations.
We talked a lot about some crazy cases.
I've been telling you about all these missing men cases across
North America, and how they mirror?
A lot of strange cases and BC. And Vancouver.
And you've done some great research, and you found some,
some really great information on a local case that we've been
talking about for quite a while. Won't you talk about that case a
little bit? Yeah.
So we've been, we've been looking into the Kellen mcelwee.
Disappearance, Kellen, went missing. 15 years ago, we just
reached the 15 year anniversary on March 19th.
And his disappearance is strange.
He was he was out with friends at the In Langley, you left at
around 9:00 p.m. and headed back to presumably his house in
Burnaby or his apartment in Burnaby?
Yes, the time. And then yeah then he didn't
show up for work the next morning and was never seen
again. So they give a little context
for people that don't live in Vancouver or maybe you know
you're listening because people listen to my podcast, thankfully
around the world. So out in Metro Vancouver there
is you know a suburb Township called Langley.
And he lives in Burnaby, which is another suburb of an coover,
but Langley and Burnaby is roughly, maybe would half hour
drive, give or take. So he was eating at a keg
restaurant which was in Langley and I actually lived pretty
close to this location and across the street from The Keg
Steakhouse. There's a massive movie theater.
It's a huge. It's called The Colossus
Theater, its massive. It's one of the biggest movie
theaters and Metro And has a huge parking lot.
So he for my understanding he went and ate with his friends at
The Keg restaurant, his car was parked in the movie theater,
parking lot and he walked across the street.
And literally that was a last he was ever seen alive, a super
strange disappearance because we've talked and new information
is still coming to light to this day.
Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and clear, but we talked about like
At first, this seems like a random disappearance, right?
We're right. How does this?
Guy that was just out for dinner with his friends, right?
Just go missing out of nowhere, it doesn't happen or at least we
think it shouldn't happen. You talked about that.
It does happen more recently though, with all these
disappearances across North America that fit a similar
pattern, right? Yeah.
We're not to confuse the
audience. So so what I talked to Ryan
about is a string of some very strange disappearances and in
these disappearances It fits a very specific profile.
The the person that usually are the man or young man that
usually disappears is between the ages of 18 and to the high
range early 30s. But typically, they're in the
late teens, early 20s phase. They tend to be athletic tract
of above-average good-looking, not necessary and trouble and
gangs or involved in any type of criminal activity.
Lot of Times are. They're college kids General
case. I'm talking about making a lot
of them. They go, they disappear off
college campus especially if they're out, partying, and then
it gets blowing off, although they probably got drunk, they
probably got, you know, kids being crazy drinking too much,
probably an accident and and sometimes these cases that they
are found and they're found in water, but they're found two
weeks or more than after they disappeared.
And in one case is because I don't want to get too.
Confusing for the audience. In one case he disappeared for
two weeks, he was found in a river in Upstate New York in the
river. But when they did an examination
report on him, the medical examination report, they found
fly larvae eggs on his body. So that means he couldn't have
died in the water, he died on land and they plus they found
ligature rope marks. So there's some, there's some
very Sinister type of Foul Play to these cases, the bring it
into contacts to the local cases.
There's a lot of cases that fit these cases that are happening
across North America. And at first it appeared that
Kalyn kind of fit the profile, he was above average looking
guy, kind of big muscular, he was a bouncer and he seemed well
liked by people. He had seemed to have an active
social life, and he didn't seem to really have criminal
activity, but we found some more information about that, right?
So why don't we talk first about the the thing that you
Discovered our that article, he found.
Yes. So it's just coming to light
now. Kellen had some, some strange
Tendencies and habits. Number one is the year, before
he went missing, Kellen owned his own company, and his company
was involved in a major Lottery scam.
Right? Mark, you were telling me is
very common and yeah, break that down for the audience.
So again, just when did he disappear?
He disappeared. March 19, 2008.
Right. So 15 years ago right?
So at first it was a strange case.
Disappearance, his car was found someone appeared at his
apartment will talk more about the apartment and they were
wearing this very distinct kind of puffy, designer.
Jacket fur, trim on the security camera.
Someone gained access to his apartment, right?
So, to the lottery thing, which was very interesting to me, and
I was telling Ryan about this, and I shared a little tiny A bit
about this on my podcast before. But back in the day, when I used
to work in the stock market industry, there was these things
called boiler rooms and they even had a show called Boiler
Room. There was a movie called Boiler
Room in a boiler. Room was a slang for kind of a
scummy scammy little company that either sold stocks.
Fake lotteries bonds, things like that.
They were startups Aid by, but the get a bunch of phones and
deaths, hire a bunch of people by lists.
These lists were Were typically older seniors in the United
States that didn't really have or understand investing and they
weren't really sophisticated financially.
And basically these people over the phone would tell them that
they won the lottery or they're going to get all these stocks or
whatever. But you got to send money for
legal expenses or blah blah blah and it was outright scam.
So I was surprised to hear that he was involved with one of
these phone scam companies that were in it.
Case, they were selling lottery tickets, and he had to pay back
a penalty, didn't he? Yeah.
And he wasn't just involved either.
He owned the company that he was supposedly doing this under,
which makes it, which makes it super strange.
Yeah. And like you said, Mark his his
disappearance as we go through these facts seem less and less
like, it fits that Narrative of Randomness less as we go through
these facts. Right?
Yes. So I Kellen was forced to pay
65. A thousand dollars towards you
to resolve this issue which is a lot of money.
And then eventually his company was dissolved later in 2007
because of this issue, right? Okay, so you own this company,
I'm looking at your notes here. Yeah, you did some great
research here. He owned a company called
package and capital that was scaled scamming.
Elderly, people with fake lottery calls.
It's like I was saying, yeah, these, These are these
businesses, believe it or not, in the late 90s to early
Thousands were quite common, just to not get too down the
rabbit hole of it, but I work for one and when I discovered
that they were ripping off old people.
In my naivete, I decided to blow the whistle on them and went and
reported them to the police thinking that would solve
everything. Ha ha.
I certainly Got A Life Lesson doing that.
So I end up had been mistaken. Oh my God.
And that's the thing. You want to build to do the
right thing and I I swear to God though, the sometimes when you
want to do the right thing, God, it's a worst thing you can
possibly do is end up three years of my life.
I end up being having me a witness in court and blah, blah,
blah, and the owner of this company and up getting 10 years.
But I really had a, the way that the police did it.
I really met made me, I felt very vulnerable to because I
want to be anonymous. And and when they end up
wrestling, I owe my name was all over the report.
A complaint from Mark Devereaux, you're doing bad stuff.
Hahaha. And, and yeah.
And then like you're saying and was still saying to you before,
what's the most Shady aspect of this business?
Is because I understand how the business works is the
processing, the merchant account, the merchant account is
the most important aspect of it, because if I call an old person
and say, hey you need to send me a check for five thousand
dollars for the legal expenses because you just 15 million
dollars from the Ian lottery or some stock or whatever.
Bullshit I'm telling them, I have to build a process that
money. They're not going to send me
cash in the mail. So a lot of times they would get
people to write checks. They do a check by phone where
they process the check by phone, but they need a bank, that will
process that, right? Or a credit card.
The credit card has to go through a processor.
And, and most reputable Banks do not want to touch anything
fraudulent or Criminal. So lot of times these banks that
facilitate this type of criminal activity or are located offshore
there in the Caribbean or they're even in some cases or
year up because they have to build a process that the money
that they're getting from people over the phone.
So that's where the real criminal circles really start to
lie. Because the people that have
these banks are definitely involved in criminal activity,
money laundering and and it's, yeah, that's where it gets
really sketchy. Yeah, and we're aware that
Kellen was running a international scheme because
well he was scamming was out of America and United Kingdom
primarily. He must have made some money
because he bought a condo, right?
Yeah. So the same day that he went
missing Kellan bought his condo that we are going to get into
that. There was a strange Person of
Interest appearing at later that night Kellan bought the condo
And he paid way over asking price for the condo to.
So he must have had some money like you said, from from the
schemes that he was doing or other interesting tactics of
getting this money. Yeah.
Cuz I'd some of those rooms made a lot of money because and know
the one that I was working for the one that I helped take down,
the guy was making about five million a year and he was
running. And he had this thing running
for I think at least for about five to six years.
If memory serves me, correct. So even if he pays like a 65
thousand dollar penalty, but you have all this other money stash,
right? Plus 2, if he is, because of the
banking he could have money stashed offshore and things like
that. Exactly.
And you know, like you said and like we were talking about it's
an international scheme, right? So like you said, the chances
that he had that money stored offshore are very high
considering that kellan's day job was working at a Rogers call
center which one yeah when The police, and everybody started to
investigate his spending habits and how he actually afforded
this apartment that he bought the day of his disappearance.
It didn't add up not at all. No, he was working as a bouncer.
And trust me, I worked as a bouncer back, then, it doesn't
pay very well. It's a job.
You do? Because he get to go out for
her. For, you know, you get, you get
bar courtesy and kind of stuff bouncing does not pay.
Well, not not not enough to buy a condo, right?
A pentose Rogers, call center back.
Back then maybe 15 bucks an hour a maybe you know if he's a
supervisor maybe 18 buying a penthouse condo with that kind
of income. So yeah, seems like he had some
money squirreled away and obviously he upset somebody it
does. Now, the more you look at it,
this looks like in my opinion this is just speculation with
this, probably, when that business, got shut down.
He probably lost a bunch of people's money, if that makes
sense. I agree for example, right?
But they're all being processed through that one bank.
So if one person screws it up and gets a bank shut down, a lot
of a lot of other people suffer if that makes sense.
Yeah, it does. So what you're saying is he met
some unsavory characters and Colin's dad agreed as well that
he could have met some unsavory characters in his time as a
bouncer, but not just as a bouncer running.
This company that's scamming a bunch of people.
He probably met some People that eventually helped telling me his
demise right? Oh, totally in there.
Wouldn't be an easy. It wouldn't be that difficult
because I like a sinking too. Because again, people that are
involved in Fast. Money, quick, money, offshore
money. You know, there they had been
might have their fingers in a whole bunch of different pies,
right? And and, and like I said, if he
came and maybe made some waves and maybe got a bank shutdown,
that would have been a big deal and like that could have caused
some really Mouse. It's of ways because again, with
criminals in general, how do you get in trouble with them?
Either owing money or insulting their integrity?
And, you know, getting the ire of their temper because you
disrespected them. But mainly, you're going to get
ne crosshairs of gangsters if you owe them or lose them,
massive amounts of money and then if he's buying a condo
right that could have been like a little bit to okay.
You're you're you're you're showing off here, right?
Yeah. It's basically confirmed that he
had some sort of criminal tie, right?
Like, with this company he owned and then there's the fact too
that he had two cell phones at the time of his disappearance,
which is, which could be related to some sort of gang activity.
Well, you know what, so believe it or not, because I again, back
to that business, he could have eaten a lot of these people I'm
telling you, because these people that ran, these rooms
were just treacherous. So, they would get busted, and
even though they're being busted, they'd open up another
room and open up another room, and Another room.
These can't help it. They just is only will.
This is how they know how to make money, right?
So the second phone is usually tied to that business.
So for what I'm saying is that, so think about this, right?
I called this a 50 people that day and told them, they won the
lottery or blah, blah blah, right?
I'm not going to give him my all my home phone number.
I'm going to give them a different number.
Usually, a burner phone, some of these boiler rooms.
Literally, they run on boiler on Burner phones.
So we're not And phone rings. It's you know it's a customer.
Oh we got a live one here. They think they want a bunch of
money. Okay.
You see what I mean? So the second phone you know
again could be you know, dealing or whatever.
But because of this that business that that for me gives
me an indication that he might have still had something going
because sometimes they have these dupes.
I'm not I'm not kidding. These people are so naive and so
trusting they're not going to just pay them once or going to
pay them multiple times and sometimes they'll have They
literally, I've seen it. They have that.
People have, they called their sucker list of people that will
just you. Anytime you call them and say,
hey, I got that Chuck. Oh my god, did I forget to write
you that check? And they've already written to
you four times. You see what I mean?
Yeah. Exactly.
And and with the phone thing to a lot of people at the time of
Carolyn's disappearance, this this phone information came to
light pretty fast, right? Yeah.
Where is this information about his second company is just now
coming to light, but a lot of people Activated at first like
okay maybe it's because he had a job with the Rogers.
Call center or maybe this and maybe that but his disappearance
as you go through these facts just seems less and less random
right? He wasn't the victim of some
random attack. No.
Yeah. At first I sent him into that
kind of category because I did a I did a little bit about him
when I first started and I mentioned, I think I did a
podcast about my, why did it? I did a Agent Lee.
I did a bunch of podcasts about missing, man.
I've taken it down, so I want to reboot it, but I first
speculated that I felt his job as a bouncer, he might have
pissed off the wrong guy and maybe throughout the wrong guy
or got disrespectful or whatever and they wanted to show him.
But now, as from what you're talking about him, having one of
these, these boiler rooms that that totally blows my mind and
it again because I have some experience.
It's unfortunately, and at least, in my case, I try to do
something about it, but even at a personal cost to myself, but
whatever I'm glad I did, but but it gives me some.
It gives me a real like whole different.
Look at him knowing that he owned one of these businesses
because they're pretty shady businesses.
And they do, they do they just go out and they rip people off
with or without any remorse and that?
Yeah, that's what why I found it.
Disgusting the reason why I went to the police because when I'm
walking around in the room, All these idiots talking about all
the hookers and the coke they did and the weekend and all the
money, they blew and they're stealing from old people.
And this one guy he on his desk, he wrote oh this guy's blind.
So this what the so that means it was like a top you know Blue
Ribbon lead. All this is a good one.
This guy is blind and I'm like, wow like this is disgusting just
so they could go get, you know party and buy designer clothes
and sniff stuff. Are not, you know, you get the
idea like a bunch. It was a bunch of people who
were very into debauchery and as fast as the money, they got the
fast, is it got spent, you know, yeah, Kelly wasn't really in the
business to help people, right? Especially in the business like
this. No, it's a business for
straight-up greed. And I knew people like, you
know, again, I knew people that would start, one of these boiler
rooms is to make a bit of money and not saying it's still no
more good but then they, They would do something and turn into
something kind of legitimate. But then, I seen others at this
is this was their main gig and they soon as one shutdown they
had two other rooms opened up. And I knew people that had
multiple because again, they were so prominent downtown
Vancouver at the time and they'd even be advertising in
newspapers. Like, you know, back when for
internet was job ads, it is straight-up advertised.
Sell the lotto to the Americans, they had a call center.
I'll tell you a quick story. They had a call center that In
specific Center. And it was unworthy, there's be
this big underground part. It was a mass of call center,
and that's all they did was sell large, it was head and pulled
hundreds of people. And this guy, his name was Blair
Downs. He was a stockbroker from
Alberta that moved to BC. He made over 300 million
dollars, a year selling Lottery to them, to Americans scamming
them. He had guys that would Get
hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So like I said, it was like this big rush of easy money.
Like Vancouver has a real shady history of fast money from
grow-ops. This is kind of before this was
all while grown-ups are going on.
So people would either have grow-ops or they would have one
of these scummy rooms at ripped off Americans.
Their, the again, it was it was more common than you think.
And and disgusting. Yeah, that's insane.
It's just Again, it's just multiple things about, his
disappearance are just very shady.
Yes. And the fact that he was
involved in these multiple Shady acts.
Yeah. Do you want to get into the
person of his apartment to because that's another Shady
thing. He buys the apartment the same
day that he goes missing and there was someone found at his
apartment on CCTV footage. Yeah that is linked to the case
now or police find could be linked to the so that was That
the original video of the person walking into the lobby and they
had like, kind of that winter parka of the fur lining coat.
They had to pulled over so you can't really see their face.
Yep. And if you do, you think when
you looked at it, did that look like I always thought it looked
like a girl or a more petite woman.
So from what I've what I've read police are speculating that it
was a man but I agree with you from watching from watching the
footage, they're not, they're not 100% sure.
And neither am I because Seeing the footage, their mannerisms
seeing more woman. Yes.
And then looking at the photos of the jacket that the police
have released if you tie that to going to that website it's a an
excuse, my pronunciation on this Christian.
Add a dagger style jacket? Yeah.
But if you look at the photos on their website, the people
modeling that jacket that that person is wearing our females.
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Totally. I know.
I totally got the vibe. It was a woman like went to the
apartment. Yeah.
Which is, which is super interesting because police have
directly said that that person is most likely tied to this case
somehow. And they've never been able to
find that person of interest, if that person still has the jacket
15 years later after this case, it's not like what you're right.
But well, that's the thing, right?
It isn't it, you know, it will also.
I remember there was a, See backpack.
Yes, I Sky research cases across, you know, Canada United
States, its tends to be a lot easier, researching cases in the
States because they will inform the public on the stages of
Investigation. Suspects things like that, there
seems to be a lot more transparency here.
I mean, in the states, as far as look at the eye of the Idaho,
call the college co-ed killer died.
I've seen her a 3D rendering of what the house looks like.
I know, I know so much about that case.
Right. He is well, here this could, but
here, it's like 25 years later. Oh, yeah, we released A CTV
photo blah, blah blah. You know what I mean?
It's like, okay, is there anything else?
And then this information about his him, buying the apartment,
the same day, and him being involved in this pack Jen scam.
Yeah, now just coming to light like it's super strength, right?
If he paid over asking, right, okay, so again, you know, just
doing the play Connect the Dots here, right?
He's a guy guys young, he's 25 years old works.
As a bouncer, you know, God has moved social life and stuff like
that, right? And he works at the call center
and and then he had this really shady business that was just,
you know, call what it is. It's a, it's a, it's a criminal
Enterprise to scam. People its Financial fraudulent
business that's it's designed to trick and steal from people,
right? And then he had to pay a huge
penalty and then he buys a mass that buys a pretty, you know, an
expensive property pays over asking and then he disappears a
day. It's just, yeah, it's a whole
different case now from from when I originally looked at it.
Yeah. Not just over asking either.
So the asking price was about a half a million dollars.
He paid over a hundred thousand dollars more for that pain?
Wow. Which is insane.
That's criminally insane. Why would you do that?
You know. Yeah, I really wanted that.
Place right? Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah. And I'm thinking about 2008.
The, the housing market has probably relatively expensive to
but it wasn't really heating up where it was like, just that,
you know, where we do remember like a, you know, a few years
later where people were just going crazy going over asking,
because it was like this big buyer friends and a lot of times
to those are people that coming from outside of the city with
money. Right?
You know. Yes.
So the thing is he doesn't really Fit that criteria of at
125. Most 25 year olds are not paying
100 Grand over asking, right? So blown away to and I'm also
blown away that took this long for it to come out.
Yeah me too and I don't know why it has suddenly come out.
I know initially it was investigated in 2011 when K
father petitioned to have his son, declared dead, right?
And the court filing said that his income K income wasn't
match, Being up with his new mortgage payments on the condo.
So his mortgage payments on the new condo were about four
thousand four hundred dollars a month.
Wow, was a hundred and fifty percent more than he was making
again, when you're dealing with criminals, where they call a den
of Thieves, right? Yeah, exactly.
Like, pick your poison for your partner, sir.
Hey, you're not going to get the most the most liable and the
most loyal. Yeah.
And when you mention like, Willing to scan this blind
person. Like, it's they've won the
lottery, you know, they're like, oh man, I found this blind
person. They are perfect Target
attitude. It was totally disgusting.
Look, I'm already smoking. They're willing to scan this
blind elderly person right? Yeah.
They are likely going to do that for you as well, you know?
Oh, totally. Yeah.
You know, exactly right. Well, it'll be interesting to
see what happens one. I don't think they'll ever find
his body unfortunately, and and for the, The family, you know, I
regardless if he was involved in criminal activity you know we're
all did stupid stuff. He's 25 years old, I don't
believe he deserved the faith. That happened to him.
You know, everyone has a chance should have a chance to turn
their life around. And, you know, do the right
thing, we all make mistakes, when were younger, but this is
what I'm saying to. This is another cautionary,
tale. Where in this is back to
Vancouver, I see people young people naive people, they get
Over their head. Like, for example, let's say a
guy gets a job at though, in those Lottery places thinking
it's a legitimate job because they used to advertise in
regular, like job ads, all the time.
And, and then he decides he's good at this and he's making
lots of money and said, hey, I want to start my own room,
right? See how easy that someone can
just all sudden is get in over their head, right?
And then a lot of times these rooms to because he's people
that are working and I'm there doing drugs or drinking a lot,
not there, you know, they're they're spending the money
faster than they can spend. I want the one of the guys I
worked with he. This guy every Friday he had a
condo downtown and he would have these crazy parties.
And I remember one time I went over to his house or his condo
Sky worked with in this Lottery scummy, business coffee table.
You want to skim board as you know, where you way you ride the
way, you know, when the waves. Yeah, you know.
Yeah, gotcha. Skimboard here.
Skim board on the skim board, it had a pile of cocaine on it and
I'm like, oh, snorting up all your profits, you made this week
and that's where the money goes to.
And that's why that's why it's, you know, I have no respect for
people that do this kind of business because definitely they
feel subconsciously guilty about it, and they usually end up
drinking blowing blowing it a literally up their nose and it's
a rabbit hole, right? Like you start by applying for
this random harmless job. Yeah.
And you, Don't know where it's going to go and you end up in
this Boiler Room situation and then it goes downhill from there
and then click to take raw headlock cases to.
Yeah, exactly. It's not to say that like it's a
very unfortunate situation for Kellen, you know.
Yeah it's super unfortunate that he met this fate but I believe
it is because of this crowd and this job oii hundred percent.
That's because it's really a characters.
Yeah, this really sheds a whole different light on Everything
and yeah, it was really good. Great discovery.
And he said that just came out really recent to.
Yeah at the time of filming this yesterday, this information came
to light to the public. So the cases that I want to talk
about with you two and this is like just kind of back to the
audience this to give a context when we first started talking, I
was talking about there, there was these cases and the state's
I'm kind of on the fence on it. Like I do.
Believe there's something there, but they're they're very
strange. And then these are the cases
where the person that doesn't have any criminal activity, or
any ties. And usually typically very good
kids and, you know, in school and college and, you know, doing
things that are positive in their life and they disappear
under these circumstances. So in the state's there's a
whole rash of them and there they they believe there's a cult
called the smiley face killers that that Target young ass.
Leduc men and they think they do some tart type of disturbing
ritual with them and then they're found and water after
they've gone missing. And lot of times when they
discover these bodies is that they can tell that they haven't
been in the water for that long. So they've been missing for two
weeks. They've only been their body is
only been dead for three days and they went and only been in
the water for a day, right? When they do the examination
report on them. So there's some very Strange
cases. And in some cases, I feel that
some of these cases get lumped and and to them, I do believe
there's something to the smiley face Killers because they're
just too many of them and they're really strange.
Did you read that article both day with?
It was a buzzfeed one, I believe.
So yes, that one was the weirdest one.
Because North Dakota, North Dakota.
Yep, this guy goes missing. He's found in water, but but
someone tried to abduct him, but two weeks earlier and his friend
who was a female friend picked him up at a hotel and he was
totally drugged and incoherent, and he didn't make any sense.
And there was all these SUVs, like, parked, or like he was
walking out of the hotel lobby and she saw him.
She had him on there on the on the iPhone, you know, connector
the find my iPhone app. Yeah, find my iPhone.
Yeah and and so she knew where he was and she saw him wave and
he was both to get into some SUV and he was like completely
drugged out. And then two weeks later he's
found in water. Drowned of GHB in the system.
Yeah, there's there's these strange cases that fit all the
same narrative and the reason we're starting these these
missing men podcast series Is because we wanted to talk about
like, how that's there's some of these in Vancouver, right?
That our problem that fit is similar narrative.
We thought like we were talking about that.
Kellen fit, a similar narrative at first, right?
Yeah, I was kind of like when I first started he fit but then,
there was those little things, I know, maybe not.
Right. But now.
Absolutely, I don't think he fits.
No me neither, but it's interesting to get into those
the smiley face, killing rumor. Right.
Yeah, there's a ton of rumors about them and like you said, I
do believe there's something to it right?
Where these men healthy, always like academically intelligent
doing well in life, are then suddenly going missing, right?
And there's cases where this has happened in Vancouver to totally
and it'll be interesting to get into them.
For sure will break down more of them.
Again, they just don't make any sense and one of the ones, That
really, I don't know. Just gets under my skin
increasing out. Was this, it was this young guy.
He was, I think he was studying architecture at pretty an
advanced degree. He was a very petite guy, very
small, very harmless. He didn't have like he wasn't
really outgoing. He kind of a little bit of a
loner and he told his roommate, he goes.
Oh I'm just going to go gets here.
I think he went to the University of Boston and he told
his roommate, or I'm going to go down and get some pizza.
Do you want anything? We got it.
I'm cool and he never came home and the next day the rowers were
rowing on the on the river and they found his body underneath
the dock and he was completely chained up like completely like
a almost like you'd see like in a like a mobster movie like
completely wrapped and change tied to a cinder block.
Well they ruled it a suicide and I'm like and that's what one of
the other strange things is that these cases like even though
they're really strange stuff to get just the first the first
ruling from the medical examiner.
Also suicide misadventure dotted and the families usually are
very outraged and they hire in the one thing different in the
states than in Canada. Families can hire their own
private medical examiner's. And they, when they do a
different one, they usually go against the original ruling.
And so how can a guy tie himself completely up and chains and
then tie it to a cinder block? Talk and then jump off a dock
and then drown himself. Yeah, it doesn't make sense,
right? Not at all and that's the
difference that I feel in the state's not saying, cops in the
states or any better or anything, but they're they seem
to provide more information to the public.
Yeah, agreed. And that's the problem to when
we talk about raising awareness, for how to be aware in
situations, right? Yes.
And I know we've talked about potentially doing a series about
how to erase where Ernest raise awareness or E and it's these
police statements that are coming out of.
Don't be afraid for these random attacking people should be
afraid and there's certain areas that people should be avoiding.
Yeah. Right.
And that's the issue that we're facing right now in Vancouver.
A lot of the time. Well, again, you know, we go
back to the missing people, right?
Like the thing that's strange, you know, it's this, it's that
more people go missing and DC than anywhere else possibly like
per capita, the North America because think about this right
you got your province of Ontario, 15 million people but
yet even though BC has a lot less population, let's say give
or take 45 million for the entire Province.
I'm just get taken a number off, the top of my head but we have
twice the physical missing people than a province that has
over 15 million people. Majority of them are women?
A lot of them are indigenous with that?
That's a whole nother, you know, rabbit hole, we can go down to.
But again, when it comes down to the least, likely people that go
missing or usually athletic young men, but then there's a
high Spike of them to write. So that's why it stands out to
me because it's like a spike of a kind of a demographic, that's
the least likely to go disappear under strange circumstances.
Someone's involved in drugs or criminal activity or uo scary
people money, or you're in a domestic violence situation or
you're prone to Suicide or depression.
These are usually typical reasons why someone might decide
to go missing or or become missing, right?
Yeah I agreed and the scary part is too that I don't hear a lot
of people talking about these missing men's cases like they're
very unknown to the public. They are randomized, right?
Right? And that's the scary part is.
Why are these cases popping up? Because in history like you
said, it's usually these young healthy athletic males that are
physically fit that usually have nothing to worry about honest,
no, no, it's getting a narrative.
It's it's that they usually are the ones that should have
nothing to worry about. Like if we're going based off of
Kellen, I know he won't no longer fits this narrative.
He was 220 pounds. Roughly.
I usually do I put 10 yeah, a bouncer.
Yeah, and he had an interest in the gym.
Yeah, so why do people lie for that?
Resk? Right.
So if his life was at risk, you'd put up a fight, you know,
full of adrenaline, someone trying to take them, no need to
be able to, you know, it's a lot harder taking someone that's 220
than a 100 pounds. Exactly.
And that's one of the weird aspects about the, you know, the
missing men cases and specifically, in some of the
stranger ones that we'll get into later in the series.
Is that how were they like, it's on them.
Just pure like abductions. Like there was a one in newest
Minister. His car was found car door
opened no sign of struggle. So how do you physically get
someone out of their car? Right.
You felt without a struggle that means you have to in my opinion.
I always thought well someone may be impersonating a cop,
right? I caught you get like a shining
a light and face please step outside better the dog.
You know what I mean? You're in specially, you know
someone, you know, thinking it's a cop, they will be if you
disobey, or in trouble, right? You know.
Yes. They've been lured somehow yeah.
Yeah. It has a has that aspect, right?
The other. The other thing is to the other
second way of how do you, how do you get?
You get a big dudes, cooperation, a female, right?
Hey girl, she likes you, she wants, she's coming over, she
wants to meet you, you know what I mean?
Play it was ego the Honey Trap and that's why I'm for the the
that's why I I understand I'm going to look at I'm gonna look
at the video again and I'll post a video but I truly believe that
was a female. Yeah, I agree just based on the
mannerisms and then also the facts, right?
Like who's going to learn this big guy out of his apartment or
go to the apartment to get this big guy?
Most likely going to be a female, right?
Yeah. I'll be a lot easier, right?
Less threat. Nothing.
Oh you know who's afraid of a little girl, right?
Yeah, exactly. So yeah we're going to continue
on this series. Going to look at some of the
stranger. I feel that some of these cases.
These men were lured. Well, maybe we'll get into maybe
some theories, but yeah, there's some really troubling cases and
you did bring up something. Like these cases, tend to get
overlooked and I want to address that because generally speaking,
right? It's like when women go missing,
they think all something terrible happens was probably
abducted, maybe sexual assault, maybe murder.
Right, because that's her first fear.
Oh my God, this woman's missing or abducted or a child, right?
With with, with young men they always say oh misadventure.
That's the first thing people think, right?
Oh, they're probably doing something stupid, something
drinking or some kind of tomfoolery or whatever.
Right? So the men don't really get that
same kind of initial like sympathy when they go missing
and and and unfortunately too, when I see like older men, go
missing like middle-aged typically it's suicide but they
don't, you know, it's a different.
This is a different criteria and It with these young guys.
Yeah, they deserve it because the, you know, they weren't and
in some of these cases. They weren't involved in
anything and you know, and it is must be very tragic for their
family because think about this, right?
Think about if you had a bad kid a kid that just drove you nuts
in and out of juvie and another jail, you know, just being a
total headache and then something terrible half.
So dude, be awful and you feel terrible because they do.
But he had such a troubled life. But matter, if you have a
perfect kid, that does everything right?
And goes to school, Cool and on his way for a great, you know,
career or a great life and then one day, this kid just
disappears off the face of the Earth.
Like I can't imagine what that's like for the family and my heart
goes out to them and they have my, my Ampitheatre for that,
that loss. So, yeah, these these men
deserve justice and they deserve to be talked about as well,
right? Like everybody's story deserves
to be heard if they've gone missing and these families
deserve to know what happened to their to their missing loved
ones, right? For sure.
Well, thank you Ryan, I appreciate this.
It will keep going on this. I appreciate your help and
stuff. And yeah, I'm looking for doing
also to we're talking. We're talking about doing some
safety stuff. You know, you're involved in
self-defense Jiu Jitsu and and I really want to encourage, you
know, special people your age or anyone's age to get involved in
that stuff because we'll be good for you, good, for your
self-esteem and stuff. So, I'm happy that you're
involved in that and it's been great working with you.
Yeah, thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it, it's
awesome. Working with you as well.
All right. Ryan, you take care.
I'll add this up and I'll get this up as fast as I can.
Awesome. Thanks, Mark, I appreciate it.