For over a year now, I've been immersed in the horrors of the
Robert Pickton case. It has consumed me in ways I
could have never have imagined. When I first started, I knew the
story was dark, complex, and disturbing, but nothing could
have prepared me for the toll it would take on my mind, my heart,
and even my spirit. Trying to unravel this nightmare
has made me question not only my understanding of the world, but
my own sanity at times. The deeper I went, the more I
felt the weight of it all pressing down on me, like I was
descending into an abyss from which I wasn't sure if I could
ever emerge. Sometimes I imagine this project
is a message in a bottle, cast adrift in the vast, unforgiving
sea of the digital world. Maybe someday, long after I'm
gone, someone will uncork this bottle and hear these words and
understand not just what happened, but why it matters.
Maybe they'll see that this wasn't all in vain.
But this isn't about my effort. No, it's about society that
allowed a man like Robert Picton to prey on its most vulnerable
for years. A society that, even after his
capture, has continued to spiral into more violence and more
addiction, more pain. A city that once was my home is
now unrecognizable. And in its darkness, Vancouver's
Downtown Eastside, this place, this environment was more than
just a setting for Picton's crime.
It was a predator's playground, a place where the marginalized
were abandoned, left to fend for themselves while the city and
its leadership turned a blind eye.
And in that environment, someone like Picton thrived.
It's hard to believe how long it went on, how many voices were
silent before anyone really paid attention.
As I research this case, I often feel like Captain Ahab chasing
Moby Dick. If you're not familiar with Moby
Dick, it's a story of a ship's captain obsessed with capturing
a monstrous white whale. The creature that seems beyond
human comprehension, Captain Ahab, becomes consumed by this
obsession to the point where it destroys him.
I won't lie, there were moments where I felt just as lost, just
as desperate, chasing after the truth behind Picton's reign of
terror. The more I dug in the details,
the more elusive they became. Moby Dick wasn't just a whale.
And this case isn't just about a single man.
It's about everything that allowed it to happen.
It's about a community, a system and a culture that turned a
blind eye. It's about a country that failed
to protect its most vulnerable and still hasn't learned from
those failures. I've worked.
On massive, complex projects in my life, corporate sales, large
accounts, multimillion dollar deals, I dealt with highly
intricate negotiations with little details that could make
or break everything. But nothing, nothing has ever
challenged me like this. The mountain of evidence, the
horrifying testimonies, the broken families.
And at times, it was too much. There are moments when I wanted
to give up, to walk away from it all because I was overwhelmed by
the sheer magnitude of pain and darkness I was trying to
comprehend. I rewrote this project over and
over. I think I'm on my 30 once
revision questioning if I was even capable of telling the
story in a way that would do justice to the victims.
But I couldn't abandon it. I kept thinking about the women,
the victims and the families who were still waiting for answers.
Soul. Waiting for justice.
And I thought about the environment They lived in, the
Downtown Eastside, a place overrun with drugs, predators
and corruption. A place where people disappear
and no one seems to care. As the Picton case unfolded, it
revealed the darker truths about my hometown.
The rise of gangsterism, the web of criminal organizations, the
trafficking, the money laundering.
People living in the shadows of both legitimate society and the
criminal underworld. This wasn't just the work of one
evil man, This is the culmination of years of neglect,
of leadership, failures, of a broken system.
I'm not here to offer excuses or easy answers.
I'm here to show you how we got here.
To be clear, this isn't just an exploration of the forensic
details of the case, though there are plenty.
It's about the dark psychology, the environment, the city that
allowed Robert Picton to operate for so long.
I believe that Vancouver's leadership and its judicial
system and its failure to protect its most marginalized
citizens played a critical role. Without that toxic environment,
Picton wouldn't have been able to do what he did, at least not
as easy and not for so long. And that's what's even more
heartbreaking. Since these atrocities took
place, the situation in the Downtown Eastside has only
gotten worse. I'm going to take you through
the history of the city, of the crime, the key players involved,
because this story is not just about the past, it's about the
present, the criminality, the drugs, the violence.
It hasn't gone away, it's only evolved.
And the victims, the ones who still live in the shadows of our
society, are still suffering more disappearances, more deaths
and a system that continues to fail them.
This is my message in a bottle cast into an endless sea.
In this section, I'll be exploring the environment of
1990s Vancouver, a time when criminal organizations began to
thrive and the city witnessed a surge in drug trafficking,
assassination, shootings, and public killings.
While the segment will focus on the 90s, I'll also highlight key
criminal events from that era to the present day.
This historical overview will help bring you up to speed and
provide context for where I'm coming from as we dive deeper
into these topics. A metaphor I like to use when
thinking about how we consume information is the evolution of
media. In the early days of news, we
lived in a 2D world. This was the era of print
newspapers. With headline news and articles,
readers would get a flat, 2 dimensional perspective on
events, often shaped by the skills of the writer and the
viewpoints of the editors and even the political leanings of
the publication. Then came television, which
added a third dimension. At first it was black and white,
then color, providing more visual depth to news stories.
However, however, television was still curated and controlled by
editors, producers and networks. What viewers saw was often
shaped by what these gatekeepers wanted them to see.
Biases and editorial opinions still colored the news.
In the 1990's. The Internet arrived, and I call
this the 4D world. The Internet allowed for
interactions with content in a way that print and television
never could. It combined the elements of both
text like print and video like TV, but added a critical new
element, the user. We became the 4th dimension,
interacting with content, searching for information that
suits our taste, creating our own narratives.
However, with this came the rise of quote UN quote fake news, as
well as the ability to cherry pick information to fit one's
biases. I've been involved in Internet
technology since its inception, working in IT software for over
20 years. Over the last five years,
especially since the pandemic, I've noticed an alarming
increase in censorship. The Internet is now heavily
controlled in what we can see and share.
For example, in Canada, you can't share news articles on
social media platforms like Meta, which has been incredibly
frustrating for someone like me who relies on Instagram to share
important stories. The media has been surprisingly
quiet about it, despite how it affects the bottom line.
For example, CTV News, one of the large outlets in Canada, is
currently operating at a loss at $40 million a year.
And it's important to note as most people under 40 get their
News Online. Looking forward, I want to
induce the idea of the 5th dimensional world.
An invisible world we don't see. This is the world of secrets,
classified information and hidden agendas.
It is controlled by the puppet masters, the ones that pull the
strings behind the scenes. We rarely get a glimpse into
this world, but occasionally events like the Jeffrey Epstein
case pulls back the curtain just a little bit.
These are the power players who influence the laws, markets, and
even major criminal cases. Many would call this a
conspiracy, but it's important to remember that in legal terms,
a conspiracy simply refers to an agreement between two people to
commit a crime. In this series, we'll be
discussing this invisible world in how it shapes the criminal
landscape. For example, someone like Robert
Pickton couldn't have operated as he did without the
environment in which he thrived, an environment shaped by
organized crime. One of the central themes of the
series is the overlap between the legitimate and the criminal
worlds. There are people with one foot
in both worlds, those who benefit from money laundering,
drug trafficking, and legitimate businesses.
This extends into politics, law enforcement, and the courts,
creating a complex, invisible web that is hard to untangle and
even dangerous to fully expose. Growing up in Vancouver, the
city was relatively peaceful. The general advice was simple,
don't go where the troublemakers go and you'll stay out of harm's
way. However, something shifted in
the 90s, creating a vacuum that attracted organized crime.
Changes in laws, the structure of the justice system and other
factors may have played a a role.
Like businesses and banks that move to tax havens for financial
advantages, criminals gravitate to places that offer leniency.
In my opinion, British Columbia, with its backlog courts and
overwhelmed Crown prosecutors, has become such a place.
Charges aren't laid unless there's a high likelihood of
conviction, leaving room for subjectivity and delays, much to
the frustration of victims seeking justice.
This series is a product of three years of research and a
year of intensive writing. I revised at multiple times,
always seeking the best way to tell the story without
overwhelming you with grim facts.
My goal is to intrigue you, to spark curiosity, and to
encourage you to think about the unseen dimensions of these
events. Just as we barely scratched the
surface with the Epstein case, there are always layers beneath
the story that change our understanding.
Running this platform has introduced me to incredible
people, pH, DS, doctors, producers, and highly
intelligent individuals. At the same time, I've
encountered those who blindly accept their servitude, who go
along with the system without question.
Aldous Huxley, the author of Brave New World, warned about a
future where people are made to love their servitude, A world
where dictatorship comes without tears and people willingly
surrendering their freedoms for bread and circuses.
For my younger listeners, Huxley was a British philosopher and
writer most famous for Brave New World, a dystopian novel that
explores a society controlled through the pressures of
consumption and distraction. His work is increasingly
relevant today as we see people willingly give up their
freedoms, distracted by endless entertainment and propaganda.
What has shocked me the most in recent years is the number of
people who enjoy this servitude, lashing out at anyone who dares
questions the narrative. I've had followers for years who
support my work on missing persons and community awareness,
but one post that doesn't align with their views.
I'm hit with the accusation of being a a right wing extremists,
a Nazi or worse. Some people seem more interested
in talking me than seeking understanding, which is why I
want to emphasize that understanding is key.
To explain, imagine installing a new appliance in your home, say
of a very heavy stove. You would just drop it in place
without checking if the floor can support it.
You would go underneath the floor below, examine the
foundation, and make sure it's sturdy enough.
This is understanding what I aim to do with these stories, help
you look underneath the surface and see what's supporting these
events we hear about. Not everyone will agree with me,
and that's fine. My hope is is to reach the one
person who's ready to carry the torch, to do more research and
to make a real difference in this complex world.
Vancouver, with its stunning landscapes and bustling economy,
hides a darker story beneath its surface.
Over the past few decades, the city has become a fertile ground
for the intersection of legitimate business and
organized crime, where the lines between fast money gang activity
and financial fraud blur. The seeds of corruptions planted
in the 1990s are now visible in the violence that spills onto
the streets today. An underworld built on the
profits, drug trafficking, money laundering, and an unchecked
real estate boom. And this chapter unravels the
twisted connections between organized crime and the rise of
wealth in Metro Vancouver. The infamous Picton brothers,
whose sudden riches from real estate sales shielded their
terrific crimes. We'll also explore the murders
of stockbrokers, the disappearances of Nick and Lisa
Massey, and the brazen assassination that point to a
deeper, more insidious web of corruption involving gangs and
white collar criminals. In this tangled web of gang
violence and drug trafficking and money laundering run
alongside legitimate businesses, the same fortunes that flowed
into the city penthouses have been funneled through Vancouver
streets, tainting both legal enterprises and the growing
criminal empire. It's in this murky landscape
that Vancouver's present day chaos took root.
From the rise of biker gangs and a drug trade, to the mysterious
disappearances and sassinations that followed, the consequences
of this toxic blend of greed, violence echo through the Lower
Mainland, shaping the city we see today.
This is the story of Vancouver's hidden underworld, where money,
crime and chaos collided. I've always been fascinated by
the underground economy in Metro Vancouver, my hometown.
Growing up here, I've encountered some pretty
intimidating individuals, some whom became high profile
criminals. I always knew there was a shadow
economy, one that might rival the legitimate 1, specially drug
trafficking. Cannabis cultivation in the 90s
has played a huge role in Vancouver's economy.
At its peak, the cannabis trade was worth $7 billion.
My work in nightclubs across Canada, British Columbia,
Alberta, New Brunswick, Ontario, Nova Scotia exposed me first
hand to the underworld. Every club I worked at had some
connection to organized crime. In Vancouver the first club
which no longer exists was particularly terrifying.
It was run by a multi ethnic group with cartels and Indo
Canadian gang ties. These were people you did not
want to cross. At one point I worked at Club
Paradise, the newest minister which has recently burnt out in
the last few years. It was known for shootings.
I remember one night meeting Bindi Johaled, a notorious
gangster. His crew showed up and gave
someone a vicious beating right in front of everyone.
Few months later they came back and shot someone in the club.
I wasn't there that night having to call in sick but but it
really brought home how dangerous these circles were.
In that same club I worked with a Persian gangster who was a
massive bodybuilder. Seemed like a chill guy.
Few years later I saw him on the news for being involved in a.
Mass of large scale cocaine operation at the Vancouver
waterfront. It shocked me because at the
time we just talked about bodybuilding, boxing, MMA.
Had no clue about his other dealings.
One thing was always clear, if he got involved in their
business and made a mistake or if he talked too much, you're
going to get hurt. But not just a slap on the
wrist, I mean seriously hurt. I knew a guy who was part of a
pretty serious crew and did time for armored car robbery.
He told me some pretty hair raising stories like how one
other crew members ratted on them which led to some of them
getting locked up. In retaliation they kidnapped
this guy, took him to a remote cabin where they drilled out his
kneecaps. Hearing that from someone
directly, stories I once thought were just urban legend was a
wake up call. These aren't people who just
make threats. They'll shoot you in public,
they'll torture you, they'll beat you within an inch of your
life. Fear is our currency.
They don't care if you don't like them, they want you to fear
them. If you're going to run your
mouth or point fingers without really knowing what's going on,
the consequences are deadly. For those who casually consume
true crime as entertainment, there's a layer of disconnect.
But for me, telling these stories comes with a huge
responsibility, not about getting someone hurt or killed
over something I said. That's why I'm careful, and I
hope you respect that. I've known people who ended up
on the wrong side of bad deals, some were lucky just to survive
with a beating. One gangster I knew had a
reputation of using ball peam hammers during beat downs and if
you got in trouble with someone like him the police couldn't
help much. It's not even really their
fault, the system itself is flawed.
These criminals often have near impunity and the only way they
get caught is if they mess up on camera.
No one wants to testify against them in court.
For those outside of BC, it's important to understand that the
police here don't lay charges, The Crown counsel does.
The police gather evidence, but it's the Crown who decides
whether to proceed. Often charges are dropped or
stayed. And some pretty top notch
lawyers in BC know exactly how to navigate the system.
It's a double edged sword. On one hand it protects the
innocent, but on the other it allows career criminals to
exploit loopholes. When I first started this
platform, I wanted to cover the 2008 gang war in Vancouver.
By 2019, I was shocked to find that many of those involved were
still out dealing with appeals, retrials and drop charges.
It's a broken system. I'm very aware of its strength
and its weaknesses. I protect myself by being
caution. I'm not here to name names or
make accusations against powerful criminal organizations
that are still act for my safety.
Sometimes I change names or avoid mentioning certain
details. The last thing I need is to
anger someone who doesn't want their name associated with
alleged criminal activity. BC might not be at the same
level of cartel violence in Mexico, where journalists are
regularly killed, but I'm not looking to make enemies of
powerful people. My goal is to tell stories,
explain complex situations, and educate my audience about the
realities of organized crime. Well, integrating my own
experiences and research for the past year or so, Actually since
about 2007, I've been diving deep into some disturbing cases.
I've gone down some pretty dark rabbit holes, especially in the
realm of human trafficking and underage sex wings.
These investigations have led me to uncover connections of
powerful people both locally and internationally.
It's a murky world, and as you dig deeper, you begin to see
those same patterns. There are people with one foot
in legitimate world and the other in organized crime.
They can cover things up. They can make people disappear.
They wield an incredible amount of influence.
One case in particular hits close to home.
There was a guy with a blog that I initially dismiss as a
rambling, as a quote UN quote conspiracy theorist.
He wrote about a sex ring involving young teens, specially
Indigenous kids from local reserves, who were being lured
to parties and then being abused by wealthy men.
He also claimed to have been committed to mental hospitals
under the Mental Health Act to discredit him.
At first I thought it was delusion, maybe a carnal of
truth buried under layers of paranoia.
But then I remembered an old local TV show I used to watch
called Da Vinci's Inquest. The show was based on the real
life corner, Larry Campbell. It had a spin off where he
became Mare. One of the storylines in the
spin off closely mirrored what this ranting lunatic quote UN
quote has been talking about. But the abusers being real
estate developers? Strangely, I couldn't find these
episodes anymore. The reason why I bring this up
is that many of the stories on Da Vinci and Quest were based on
real cases. It was the show that I first
heard about The Boozing Barber, a man who murdered women by
forcing them to drink to death. He targeted vulnerable women
with drinking problems, making their deaths look like
accidents. This was a chilling way to
exploit their vulnerability, but nearly a perfect way to get away
with serial murder. These stories are just a glimpse
of the dark reality that I've been researching and uncovering
for my podcast. As much as I want to entertain
and inform, I'm also very aware of the danger that comes with
exploring these dark worlds. My goal is to shed light on why
things are the way they are, while keeping myself and others
safe in the process. In your Brave New World
Revisited, which was published about two years ago, you did
claim that much of what you forecast had come true.
I mean, for example, the the use of drugs and, and this instance
of people having their thoughts directed while they're asleep
through music being played or messages being played through
their pillows and so on. In which societies do you think
that most of what you forecast has mostly come true?
I mean, is it in America, Britain, Russia, China?
Well, it seems to me this is not so much you can't say that it's
a question of national peculiarities or even entirely
of political peculiarities. I mean, I think when the
technological and applied scientific means are developed,
they just tend to be used. I mean, I think 1 can say that
the whole history of recent times in relation to science and
technology shows that if you plant the seed of applied
science or technology, it proceeds to grow and it grows
according to the laws of its own being.
And the laws of its being are not necessarily the same as the
laws of our being. I mean, hence the this sense of
which so many people have and which I think one sees in so
many societies, the sense that man is being subjected to his
own inventions, that he is now the victim of his own technology
and the victim of his own applied science instead of being
in control of it. How could he be in control of
it? Well, this is the problem.
I mean, I think this is perhaps one of the major problems of our
time. How do we make use of this
thing? I mean, after all this was
stated in the gospel, man, the Sabbath, was made for man and
not man for the Sabbath. And in the same way, technology
was made for man and not man for technology.
But unfortunately, the development of of recent social
and scientific history has created a world in which man
seems to be made for technology rather than the other way round,
and we have to start thinking about this problem very
seriously and seeing how we can re establish control over our
own inventions. But would you say then that that
America or Britain was as liable to suffer from the arts of mass
persuasion or or brainwashing, say, as dictatorial societies?
Well, at the moment, fortunately, we have a, in both
these countries, a considerable constitutional tradition which
puts a brake on these kind of activities.
I mean, for example, one of the ablest writers, it seems to me,
on sociological problems is the French writer Professor Eliu,
who views the difference between the totalitarian, the Russian
totalitarian, and the Western civilizations as being
essentially a difference in the readiness to make use of
technology immediately and to the limit.
I mean, Engels from the first asserted that socialism would
come through the use of technology to the limit.
And the Russian regime has always been prepared to follow
out the logic of technology. Whereas in the West, we still
remember John Stuart Mill, James Mill, Jefferson and so on, We
still remember vaguely the precepts of Christianity.
And we are a little reluctant to embark upon technology, to allow
technology to take over. In the long run, we generally
succumb. I mean, I'm reminded in this
context of the the line in Baron's Don Juan about this lady
who vowing she would now consent, consented.
And in the long run, we generally do consent to.
I mean, but in the in the short run, we thought of higgle haggle
about it and we are reluctant to, but we tend to be pushed by
the advancing technology in a certain direction, which I don't
find desirable. And I do think we have to start
thinking very intensively about this problem and seeing how we
can get control again of our invention.
I mean, this is the kind of Frankenstein monster problem.
I suppose that this rather frightful prospect comes about.
I mean, are people going to be happy under this kind of regime?
Well, I think you could. I mean, this was one of the sort
of what I may call the messages of Brave New World, that it is
possible to make people contented with their servitude.
I think this can be done. I think it has been done in the
past, but, and I think it could be done even more effectively
now because you can provide them with bread and circuses and you
can provide them with endless amounts of distractions and
propaganda. It all raises, I think so
doesn't mean anyway that this question of how much one really
does value freedom or really how free 1 feels oneself to be.
I mean someone like myself, say, was grown up since the war.
I mean, do you believe that I am less free than someone who was
brought up in the 20s or in the 80s of the century or in in the
18th century? Well, it depends entirely who
you were in the 80s or the last century or the OR the 18th
century. I mean, if you were a country
gentleman with an income, you were remarkably free, but if you
were a peasant on his estate, you were remarkably unfree.
I mean, I seems to me the maybe the word freedom perhaps is too
vague a term in this sort of context.
I think what we have to ask is what sort of a of a social
pattern and what sort of a political regime is best
calculated to help the individuals within the society
and to realize the maximum extent of their desirable
potentialities. I mean, it's quite obvious that
most of us are functioning at about 10% of capacity and that
wouldn't it be nice if we could function at 20% instead of a
10%. Do you have any?
Clear idea of how this could be done, what kind of society it
would be. Well, I I have ideas.
I don't know whether they're varied or not.
As a matter of fact, I've just finished a kind of utopian
fantasy which is the opposite of Brave New World, which is about
a society in which a serious effort is made to help its
members to realise their desirable potentialities.
And I've gone into, I mean, this is an attempt to write what may
be called a practical utopia. To nothing is easier of course,
than to, to enunciate ideals and to say, well, wouldn't it be
nice if everybody were good and kind and loving, et cetera, et
cetera. Course it would be very nice.
But the, the point is how do you implement these ideals?
How do you fulfil your good social and psychological
intentions? And when you come down to this
problem, you'll see it's a very complex problem of organising
family life, organising education, organising sexual
life, organizing social and economic life.
I mean, there are endless factors involved in this.
And to try to work out what all these factors should be is I
must say I found a very interesting job as far as I was
concerned. I don't know whether anybody
else will find it interesting. All right, Hey, everyone,
welcome back. We're we're going deep today.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
This is going to be intense. OK, We're looking at, well,
we're using Moby Dick, Herman Melville's Moby Dick to help us
understand something. A real life tragedy.
Interesting. Yeah.
The crimes of Robert Picton. Wow.
OK, so I mean. No, right, You're probably
thinking. Yeah, what does, How does a
whale hunt fit into this? That's what we're going to
explore. OK, we've got some analysis here
that uses Moby Dick as like a metaphor.
And it gets. A metaphor for OK for the Picton
case. Yeah, like for understanding.
Watch it this kind of darkness and trust me, it gets deep.
Well, it's amazing how a novel written, you know, back in the
1850s, right, can still be so relevant today.
I know. And when you look at Moby Dick
this way, I think we can start to think about some pretty big
questions, like the nature of obsession, the limits of our
knowledge, even how, you know, how society responds to these
really horrific acts. Exactly.
And one of the things that really jumps out right away is
Captain Ahab. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
This guy is completely fixated, Oh yeah on hunting Moby Dick to
the point where it destroys him. Yeah, classic example of
obsession. Yes, yeah.
Taken to a dangerous extreme, and the analysis uses Ahab as
like almost a warning for us today.
You know, think about it. We all have our own white
whales. Oh, OK, yeah.
Those challenges or those mysteries, Yeah, that just they
consume our thoughts. But what happens when that
pursuit of the white whale, or that answer, or that whatever it
is right, takes over everything else in our lives?
It's like, yeah, you think about the Picton case, like the desire
to understand how someone could do something so horrific, right?
It's totally understandable to want those answers.
Yeah. But is there a point when that
search becomes like its own obsession?
That's such a good point, and the analysis makes a really
interesting connection there. It draws a parallel between
Ahab's pursuit, his relentless pursuit, and the way we approach
these kinds of cases. Sometimes there's a risk, right?
We get so caught up in finding those answers that we lose sight
of something the human cost. Oh wow.
And remember how Ahab he completely disregards his crew?
Right. In his single minded pursuit of
the whale. Yeah, that's, wow.
That's a powerful image. It is.
And I feel like we've seen that, Oh yeah happen in real life.
Sadly, yeah. Too right cases where the
pursuit of justice becomes so intense, the ethical.
The ethical lines get crossed. And the analysis, you know,
argues that Moby Dick, it's like almost a cautionary tale for us.
It reminds us that even when we're dealing with, you know,
something as important as justice, we can't let that
pursuit right come at the expense of compassion and
empathy. Yeah, totally.
But it's not just about individual obsession, is it?
No, you're right. It's like this whale, this
darkness. Yeah, it represents something
much bigger. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. And Moby Dick, you know, the
white whales, not just an animal, it symbolizes these
vast, these unknowable forces in the universe.
And the analysis brings this to the Picton case.
It suggests that these crimes, they represent a kind of
societal Moby Dick, right? This thing that is so horrific
that it's difficult to comprehend.
So are we saying that some things are just like beyond our
grasp even with all the investigation in?
The world we may never understand.
It's a really profound question. Yeah, that comes up, and it
connects directly to this idea of the whale as a symbol of the
unknowable. Yeah, Melville, he writes about
this intangible malignity of the whale.
You know, the sense that it represents this darkness that we
can never fully comprehend. And isn't that something we
grapple with? Yeah.
In cases like Picton's, the sheer scale of the evil
involved, it's almost, it's almost beyond.
Beyond our ability to process. You know, that that line about
intangible malignity, it really gets to me because it's like,
even if we were to uncover every single detail of this case,
there's still this, this core of darkness that we may never,
ever. Fully grasp.
Grasp. Yeah, Yeah.
And that's really unsettling. It is, and the analysis says
maybe. Maybe that's OK.
Maybe the point isn't to conquer the darkness, to fully
understand it, but to learn to like, navigate it, to find a way
to seek justice and understanding without losing
ourselves in the process. Yes, like we're being challenged
here to find like a different way of approaching these kinds
of cases, like not just focusing on The Who and the what, but the
why, even if those answers. Right, the why?
Are like elusive. Yeah, exactly.
And maybe like you said. Yeah, it's OK to just sort of
sit with the uncertainty for a while.
The analysis actually connects us back to Moby Dick, to the
whole idea of accepting our limitations.
Yeah, part of Ahab downfall was that he just refused to
acknowledge that some things he couldn't control.
You know, he was so driven by revenge that he ignored
anything. Wow.
They contradicted his worldview. So are we saying that we should
just give up? No.
On seeking justice?
Not at all. Like in a case like Picton's?
No. It's not about giving up on
justice, but I think it's about finding a more balanced
approach. The analysis emphasizes this,
that seeking justice and offering compassion.
They're not mutually exclusive, OK?
In fact, they should go hand in hand.
OK, yeah, Remember Ahab? He's the main character, right?
But the real tragedy, yeah, is how his obsession impacts
everyone around him, right? His crew suffers, innocent
people die, all because he just can't let go.
Wow. Of this niche for revenge.
It's like he becomes a perpetrator.
Himself almost, in a way, yeah. Yeah, even though his original
intentions might have been, you know, whatever.
It's, it's a chilling thought, yeah.
Especially when you apply it to, to real life, you know, to the
Picton case. We can't let the pursuit of
justice create more victims. Exactly the.
Analysis argues that compassion needs to be like a guiding
principle. Here, it's about recognizing the
human cost of these crimes, Yeah, Not just for the victims,
right, But for their families, for their communities, right?
Even society as a whole. Yeah, OK.
I'm starting to see how this all fits together.
Yeah, But how do we like, how do we actually put this into
practice? How do we balance this need for
justice with this this call for compassion?
Well, one way is to kind of shift our focus a little bit
from punishment to understanding, OK.
The analysis suggests that instead of just seeking
retribution, maybe we should also be asking what are the
underlying social factors that contribute to these crimes?
Yeah, Yeah. What can we do to address those
issues right to prevent future tragedies?
So it's about looking at the bigger picture, not just this
individual case, but the context that happened in absolutely and
using that knowledge to to create change.
Exactly. Exactly.
And Moby Dick offers some interesting insights here, too.
Remember how the novel explores the brutal nature of the whaling
industry? Melville.
He wasn't just telling a story. He was also commenting on the
social and economic forces that drove men to this dangerous,
destructive work. In a way, the Picton case forces
us to ask those same questions about our own society.
What are the systems and structures that might contribute
to violence? Wow to exploitation.
I never thought about Moby Dick that way before.
Yeah. It's like, it's like the novel's
holding up a mirror to our own society and forcing us to
confront some some uncomfortable truths.
Right. Yeah.
About ourselves. That's the power of great
literature, isn't it? Yeah.
It transcends time and place, and it speaks to these universal
truths. Yeah.
About. About about the human condition.
It's making me think about the victim case in a whole new way.
Yeah, it's not just about one man's crimes, right?
It's about the larger social forces exactly that allowed
those crimes to happen and and our responsibility.
And our responsibility. To address those.
And that's where compassion comes back into play, right?
OK. It's about recognizing that
we're all part of this complex web.
Yeah. Of relationships and systems.
Our actions, they have consequences, both intended and
unintended. Right.
And if we want to create a more just world, yeah.
A more compassionate world. Yeah, we have.
To understand our own role. Right in these systems.
So are you saying we all bear some responsibility?
Well, I think it's not about blame, OK?
Or guilt, right? It's about recognizing that
we're all interconnected and that even small acts of
compassion can have a ripple effect.
You know, maybe that's volunteering at a shelter or
donating to a Victim Support organization, or just having
those difficult conversations with our friends and family
about these very issues. Every action, no matter how
small, it can contribute to that more just and compassionate
world. Yeah, it's like it's a powerful
reminder, that chain, like it starts with each of us.
But, you know, going back to the analysis for a SEC, it asks us
to think about our own white whales.
Like, you know, what are those things we're just, like
relentlessly pursuing? Yeah, maybe to our detriment.
Like what do you, what do you think about that?
That's such an interesting question.
It's almost like the analysis wants us to turn that lens
inward, you know? Yeah.
Examine our own lives, our own motivations.
What are the things that consume us?
Yeah. What are those issues or
problems that we just feel like we have to solve?
It really makes you think about the, like, the drive behind
those pursuits, you know, Like, is it a genuine desire for
understanding or is it more about, like, control?
Yeah. Are we trying to fill some void
maybe? It's a good question to ask
ourselves, yeah. Especially because, just like
Ahab, we can get so fixated on our own little pursuits.
Right. Yeah.
That we miss the bigger picture, right?
And sometimes that single mindedness, it leads to like
unintended consequences. So how do we avoid Ahab's fate,
then? That's a question.
If we know the danger, how do we pursue understanding and justice
without falling into that that destructive obsession?
I think the analysis gives us a really big clue.
It all goes back to compassion, OK?
Even when we're dealing with, you know, the darkest parts of
human nature, right, there's still that fundamental need for
empathy, Yeah. And for understanding.
So it's about remembering our humanity, even in those really,
like, difficult situations where it's hard to find, you know, any
light. I think so.
It's about approaching things with humility, recognizing our
own limitations. Yep.
You know, our understanding is always going to be limited.
Yeah. And there's always more to
learn, right? I think it also means being
open. Yeah.
To different perspectives, recognizing that there are
multiple truths. Yeah, it's like we're talking
about like a shift in perspective.
Yeah. You know, moving away from this
need to be right, to have all the answers and instead like
focusing on creating space for empathy and for understanding.
That's a beautiful way to put it.
And I think that's where real healing, real progress can
begin, not by conquering the darkness, but by acknowledging
it and finding a way to navigate it, you know, with compassion
and wisdom. Yeah, I'm.
I'm walking away from this deep dive with a lot to think about.
Yeah. It's amazing how Moby Dick, this
novel written centuries ago, can still be so powerful, you know,
and offer such insights into like, the human condition.
It really is a testament to the power of great literature, the
themes of obsession, justice, the limits of knowledge.
Right. They're as relevant today as
they were back then. Yeah.
And I think that's why Moby Dick continues to resonate with
people. Yeah, for sure.
It's definitely definitely made me think about the Picton case
in a new way. And honestly, it's challenged me
to look at my own life and my own pursuits with with the more
I guess critical and compassionate eye.
I think that's the best take away, yeah, we could hope for,
yeah. Totally you.
Know this deep dive is made even 1 listener.
Yeah. Reflect on their own white
whales. Yeah.
To approach those things with a little bit more empathy, a
little bit more awareness, right, then I think we've done
something really meaningful. Couldn't agree more.
And for anyone listening who hasn't read Moby Dick yet, yeah,
you know, I highly recommend it. It's it's a challenging book,
but it's so rewarding. And who knows, maybe it'll help
you navigate your own your own modern day white whales.
Yeah, with with a little more wisdom and compassion.
It's a journey worth taking. Until next time, deep divers,
keep exploring. The.
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