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Hi Mark. 58 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:39,800 I am the host of the show warning, the content in this 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,800 podcast. May be upsetting to some of the 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,500 listeners due to his dark subject matter, listener. 61 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:56,000 Discretion is advised. Between 1978 and 2001. 62 00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,600 At least 65, women disappeared, from Vancouver's, downtown 63 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,400 Eastside, the disappearances of women, a Vancouver's downtown 64 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:11,600 Eastside began to accelerate the mid-1990s and ended. 65 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,000 When Robert Pickton was arrested in February 2002. 66 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:21,100 After a tip at Picton, had an unregistered gun on his farm 67 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,900 police raided it. It's believed the first time he 68 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:29,300 killed was 1991. He became a fully functional 69 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:34,200 serial killer in 1995 and Robert Pickton stepped up. 70 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:41,200 His Pace to murder almost every six weeks throughout 2001 but he 71 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,800 wasn't the only active serial killer, the RCMP task force 72 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,300 project even-handed was not only to consider the women missing 73 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,800 from the downtown Eastside. But also, the hemlock Valley, 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,100 murders of three sex trade workers, whose bodies were found 75 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:02,400 on a Logging Road and Agassi BC. As well as a case is an 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,200 unidentified Jane Doe. Who's half skull was found in 77 00:05:07,207 --> 00:05:12,500 1995 and Mission her half skull in an ankle bones. 78 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:15,900 Is All That Remains. That tells us that she's ever 79 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:17,600 lived. There's also was a cluster of 80 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,300 murders on Vancouver Island and Robert Pickton was just one Of a 81 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:26,300 growing list of monsters who were considered Prime suspects 82 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:28,900 in the disappearances of the Vancouver. 83 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:33,000 Sex trade workers in the years before his arrest. 84 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:37,700 A long list of suspects who have previously sexually assaulted 85 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:43,900 abused or murdered sex workers, a list of 600 and all Michael 86 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:49,000 Stephen Leopold who confessed to his psychiatrist that he planned 87 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,200 to enslave and possibly kill. Prostitutes. 88 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:57,900 He had a dungeon in his basement and was declared a dangerous 89 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:02,000 offender by the BC court, and was given an open-ended prison 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,800 term. Leopold was sentence in 2002. 11 91 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,800 years in prison, for aggravated assault taken into account, the 92 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,600 thirty four months, spent in pre-trial, custody the trial 93 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:20,200 judge found, he was a sexual sadist and likely to reoffend 94 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:24,200 but did not deem him. him a dangerous offender, because he 95 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:30,300 didn't believe Leopold met the so-called brutality test for 96 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,900 example, Leopold n38 had no prior convictions for violence 97 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:39,500 or brutality. The three appeal court judges 98 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:44,000 unanimously overturn, the trial judge ruling and declared 99 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,900 Leopold, a dangerous offender and then substituted an 100 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:53,600 intermittent sentence. He will have his first parole 101 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,600 hearing after he served seven years required by law, but he 102 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,600 can be detained indefinitely. Leopold attacked a 33-year old 103 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,800 sex worker in the industrial area of The downtown Eastside on 104 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,200 September 14th. 1996. He later told a Vancouver 105 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,300 psychiatrist by his defense lawyer, that the attack was a 106 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:24,900 trial run for a fantasy. Had to enslave and possibly kill 107 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 prostitutes. He even made a special dungeon 108 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,300 room in his basement with a dead bolt on the door, he told the 109 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:39,700 doctor Leopold's confession to the Dr. Royal Shaughnessy in 110 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:43,700 itself, was a subject of a Supreme Court of Canada 111 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:47,900 challenge in 1999. The doctor went to court to get 112 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:52,800 permission to breach confidentiality to reveal the 113 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,300 details, the high court upheld. A lower Court ruling that 114 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:02,000 O'Shaughnessy could testify about Leopold's true intentions 115 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,600 of his Ultimate Fantasy before the crown heard from the 116 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,500 psychiatrist. It was agreed to a sentence of 117 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:13,200 two years. Less a day, Keith Hunter, 118 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:21,200 Jasperson was born on April 6th 1955 in Chilliwack, British 119 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:29,700 Columbia Canada at age 35. He was 6 feet, 7 .5 inches and 120 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:35,700 he weighed 240 pounds, Jasperson began, working toward a goal of 121 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:41,000 joining, the RCMP, but suffered an injury while training. 122 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,800 That ended this endeavor. He sought work as an interstate 123 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:51,000 truck driver after relocating to Cheney Washington Jasperson. 124 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Soon realized that his job afforded him, the opportunity to 125 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,700 kill without being suspected. He worked as a long-haul truck 126 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:06,200 driver traveling widely across North America, murdering various 127 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,600 women in the process. Nicknamed, The Happy Face Killer 128 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,100 for The Smiling cartoon signatures on letters. 129 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:19,000 He sent to police Jasperson was jailed for a Washington murder 130 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:26,900 in March, 1995 At one point, he claimed 160 murders describing 131 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:31,900 his female victims, as piles of garbage dumped on the side of 132 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:34,400 the road. He later recanted those 133 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,700 statements convictions and Washington State. 134 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:42,000 Wyoming removed him, permanently from circulation. 135 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,600 Once again, there was no links between him and the happy face 136 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,000 murderer and the vanishing sex workers of the downtown 137 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Eastside. As many urban legends in rumors 138 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,600 of sex workers being used in snuff movies and violent 139 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,100 homemade. Amateur pornography videotapes, 140 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:07,700 these rumors were violent street, gangs were tar. 141 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:12,100 Doing women on the downtown Eastside lot of times usually if 142 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:17,600 they occur some kind of drug debt and brute lot of reports of 143 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,500 extreme brutality happening to these women when they owe money 144 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,800 money to Violent Predator, drug dealers. 145 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,600 There was also a rumor of a violent street gang that was 146 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,400 into human trafficking. They said that these women were 147 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,200 being murdered and hauled Away by long distant truck, drivers 148 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,700 August 1999, Calgary Sun articles, by Trevor green, who 149 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:47,800 later wrote a book called bad date and 2001, it's about Lost 150 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,800 Girls of the downtown Eastside, how The Disappearance Has are 151 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,500 tied to a sex slave. Slaughter involved ships in the 152 00:10:55,500 --> 00:11:00,300 harbor, reported that women were being entice, on Boards of 153 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:04,000 international, Freighters with the promise of liquor and drugs. 154 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:07,900 Once on board, these women were in prison sexually used and then 155 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:10,700 tossed overboard, when the ships were out in open ocean. 156 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:16,400 Police, spokeswoman and Drennan said, we occasionally had 157 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,100 reports of prostitutes taken on board of ships and passed around 158 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:23,200 and abuse. We spoke to many of these women 159 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,800 as we can. We smoke into cab drivers that 160 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,600 may have taken the women to the boats. 161 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,900 An Outreach worker on the downtown Eastside. 162 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:35,400 Also stated that some of her clients sex workers. 163 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Have told stories of being held prisoners on freighters one girl 164 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,700 was on a freighter last year. The crew loaded her up on some 165 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,500 pretty strong heroine and would not let her go a friend who was 166 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:51,900 watching out for her went and got in the crews face to Let Her 167 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:56,600 Go made a big commotion until they let her leave December 168 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,300 12th. 2001 Witnesses told. Police that Green River Killer 169 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:06,200 suspect. Gary Lee on Ridgeway spent time 170 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,500 in and around Vancouver, were 45 women I've disappeared. 171 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,100 Ridgeway. Neighbor. 172 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:17,000 Said he and his wife, Judith, constantly traveled and their 173 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,300 motor home to British Columbian. Oregon following ridgeway's 174 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:24,900 arrest Canadian investigators. Visit authorities in Seattle to 175 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:29,800 gather information about the suspect Vancouver. 176 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,800 Detective Jim McKnight said police and RCMP have taken 177 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,600 statements from Vancouver. Sex worker says that they 178 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,900 recognize Ridgeway. Some indications, he was in b.c. 179 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,200 McKnight told Seattle, King TV. I can't be too specific because 180 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,100 we don't know for sure. Yet the Vancouver 181 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:54,400 disappearances, which victim wise is very similar to the 182 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:00,600 Seattle cases that began in 1984 about the same time that the 183 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:04,200 green Rivers killing ended. Police said they're 184 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:10,000 investigating 600 potential suspects. 100 are considered 185 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,400 high priority, including Ridgeway Gary Leon Ridgeway, 186 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,400 became the Green River Killer, who's one of the deadliest 187 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,500 convicted serial killers? He claimed to have killed as 188 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,800 many 80 women. Many of them were sex workers in 189 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,600 Washington during the 1980s and the 1990s, and 2003, he pled 190 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:38,100 guilty to forty eight murders. The hemlock Valley murders in 191 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:43,500 1995 three, women were found dead in a remote Bush and 192 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:45,300 British Columbia's Fraser Valley. 193 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:48,500 They were found within two months of each other cause of 194 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:51,100 death was homicide by strangulation. 195 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,300 It's believed they were murdered by the same person. 196 00:13:54,900 --> 00:14:00,500 The killer has never been identified or found 30 year old 197 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:07,900 Tracy, a lodged a was found on August 12, D5 she was last seen 198 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:12,700 on August 10th and Vancouver's downtown Eastside at the Waldorf 199 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:16,100 Hotel. Tracy was struggling with crack 200 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:18,600 cocaine. Addiction August 12. 201 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:23,800 Tracy was found nude on a trail near Morris Valley Logging Road 202 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,900 in an area of Agassi, British Columbia Tracy was sexually 203 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:29,700 assaulted and strangled to death. 204 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,700 She was a mother of a young child at the time. 205 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:39,600 Two weeks later said, September 2nd 24 year old, Tammy pipe was 206 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,700 found north of Lougheed Highway. Number 7, Tammy also battled 207 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:49,000 substance abuse. And to support her habit. 208 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,100 She worked in the sex trade and she also worked as an exotic 209 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,200 dancer. She was last seen at the 210 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Vancouver, Cobalt Hotel on Main Street, August 30th, 1995, 211 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:05,200 October 21st, the nude and partially decomposed body. 212 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:10,900 A of 35 year old Victoria, Yonkers was found, north of 213 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Lougheed Highway. Number seven on Sylvester Road 214 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,800 near Mission BC. She was rolled down a 25-foot 215 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,000 embankment on a dead end on a Logging Road. 216 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000 It was determined. That Victoria was dead, at least 217 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,800 30 days before she was found. She was last seen September 218 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,200 11th, 1995 at the social assistance office on Hastings 219 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,300 Street. When it was time for her to pick 220 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:41,700 up her. Check on September 25th, she was 221 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,900 a no-show on Thursday. April 17th 1997. 222 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:53,900 A skeleton was found in North Vancouver, the skeletal remains 223 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,700 of a Vancouver missing sex worker was found on Mount 224 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,900 Seymour. Mary Lynn gauri who was 30 when 225 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:06,400 she went missing and July. 1995 was likely killed by someone who 226 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,900 picked her up. Her remains were found near an 227 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:15,500 area where people used to dump their garbage, a short walk from 228 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:19,400 the road halfway up Seymour Mountain at the time of her. 229 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Disappearance The Vancouver Police. 230 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,100 Believe that lagari might have been picked up by a serial 231 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,300 killer. Please said that five? 232 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:34,300 Sex workers disappeared in 1995. Three of their bodies were found 233 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:40,800 near Agassi and Mission. Ligardi was identified through 234 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:47,200 dental records. Carrie Gordon 26 was a mother of 235 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,800 one when she vanished from the Naima BC. 236 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:56,100 In April 1997, the murder of Kerry Ann Gordon. 237 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:02,000 Barely received any significant or adequate media attention. 238 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,700 Her body was found on the shores of little lillooet lake near 239 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:13,200 Pemberton and the spring of 1998 for those who are not familiar 240 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,300 with Vancouver Pemberton would be on the What's called the Sea 241 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:21,200 to Sky Highway. Probably about a 30 to 40 242 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,400 minute. Maybe an hour drive from 243 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,900 downtown Vancouver. Three men walking along the 244 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:33,000 shores of little lillooet Lake discovered her remains and March 245 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,300 18th 1998. RCMP reported that carries body 246 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:42,700 has been there for some time. Her body was dumped in the water 247 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,600 and posed at the high water. Mark, during the Spring 248 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,400 flooding, the remote spot is related is located about 30 249 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,200 kilometers South of Highway 99 next to a forest who road that 250 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,700 leads to the Baptist Smith Indian reserve on the day. 251 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:06,600 That Carrie went missing. Her ex-husband says she was on 252 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,300 her way to smoke a joint with a friend before heading back to 253 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:12,900 Nanaimo to pick up her. Welfare check. 254 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:17,300 But police have checked with taxi companies and unable to 255 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:21,700 find any records of Gordon taken a cab Carrie's. 256 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:25,000 Mother said, the last time she saw her daughter alive was in 257 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,500 January. 1997, she'd come home from Christmas and New. 258 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,900 Year's before returning to Nanaimo, where she was trying to 259 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,500 cut ties. Eyes to drugs in the downtown 260 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,200 Eastside. She had a son and she was hoping 261 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,600 to regain custody from her him by her act from her ex-husband. 262 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,900 She was all over Nanaimo, trying to straighten her life out. 263 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,000 She was trying to get her life together. 264 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:52,100 Her family, firmly believes, she was free of drugs and no longer 265 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:56,400 working the streets. Please have tribe track down the 266 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,700 last person to see her alive. Who now lives in Toronto, he 267 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:05,800 told investigators that she went to get Her welfare, check. 268 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,800 The check was on the frigerator on one day and then gone the 269 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,000 next. So in my opinion, carries death 270 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:21,000 fits into these. Hemlock Valley murders because 271 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:25,200 they all had ties to the downtown Eastside including her. 272 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,500 And then they were taken to very remote locations. 273 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:35,300 So from mission to Agassi to Mount Seymour to Pemberton 274 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,200 during the investigation, please developed a long list of 275 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,900 possible suspects by reviewing serious sex, assaults of women, 276 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:47,300 especially sex workers. The review LED them to one 277 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:51,500 particular suspect who was identified in 1995 as Ronald. 278 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:56,100 Richard Mick, Carly a roofer from mission. 279 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:59,700 One of the things that caught us investigators attention was make 280 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:05,900 Carly picked up a prostitute at Vancouver's, Astoria Hotel in 281 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:11,300 July of that year and drove her to the hemlock Valley where she 282 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:17,600 was beaten raped and dumped from his truck just A few kilometers 283 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:23,700 from where Tracy, Elijah days. Body was found the woman, 284 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:28,500 reported the incident to police and McAuley who had a similar 285 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:32,700 record of violent offenses, was arrested in September 1995, 286 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:37,800 convicted of rape and 1996 declared a dangerous offender 287 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,300 and jailed indefinitely during the investigation. 288 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:46,800 Please develop the long list of possible suspects by reviewing 289 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,200 serious sex. Assault of women especially sex 290 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,200 workers the review, LED them to one particular suspect who is 291 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,900 identified in 1995, Ronald Richard McCauley a roofer from 292 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:03,500 Mission BC. One of the things that caught 293 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:09,400 investigators attention was that Macaulay picked up a sex worker 294 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:13,600 at the Vancouver Astoria Hotel. Well, in July of that year and 295 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,000 drove her to the hemlock Valley where she was beaten raped. 296 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,700 And then dumped from his truck just a few kilometers from where 297 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:28,800 Tracy Elijah T's body was later. Found, The woman reported the 298 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,700 incident to police and McCauley. Who had a record of similar 299 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,700 violence? Offenses, was arrested in. 300 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:45,600 September 1995 convicted of rape in 1996 declared a dangerous 301 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,300 offender and jailed indefinitely. 302 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:54,000 He surfaced pretty quick and he looked really really good said 303 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,300 Mick Carl. Who was the lead investigator on 304 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,700 the Tracy, Allah, Judy and Tammy. 305 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:07,900 Pipe homicides, the things Mick. Carly had done to the victims. 306 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:12,300 In the rape cases were very similar to what was been done to 307 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:16,200 the murder victims. Met Carl said, he also lived in 308 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,000 the area and had a vehicle consistent with the suspects. 309 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:25,100 And he was known to frequent the downtown Eastside and higher sex 310 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:25,900 workers. Hers. 311 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:32,500 In addition McCarley once told a parole hearing that he had been 312 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:35,900 arrested for two rapes and attempted murders. 313 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:41,200 In the early 1980s, he would have become a serial killer such 314 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,100 as Clifford Olson. I thought we had her guy met 315 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:48,500 Carl said, but despite the circumstantial evidence police 316 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,300 had, never had enough to lay murder charges against me. 317 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:55,600 Carly the semen discovered at the crime scene in 1995. 318 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Had been degraded by bacteria. The police were initially unable 319 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,800 to test it as years. Past technology improved the 320 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,700 laboratory eventually use new techniques to retest the sample 321 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:17,800 and police discovered with DNA evidence that it was confirmed 322 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:23,000 that one person was Associated. At least, two of the women prior 323 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,700 to their deaths. The finding also A possibility 324 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:30,600 that two men might have been involved in the murders, but 325 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,400 unfortunately for police to results, had confirmed 326 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,900 investigators had the wrong name on the top of their suspect 327 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:42,400 list. Ronald Richard McCauley, wasn't 328 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,400 there, man. After all, he looked the best. 329 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,300 So he pursued him mccarl said and we found out, it wasn't 330 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:52,800 going to be him. We were all disappointed. 331 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,700 The DNA results was a Fuckin turn of events for the RCMP 332 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:04,000 because investigators considered McCarley a suspect not only in 333 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,500 the lodged a pipe and Yonkers homicide but also in The 334 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,400 Disappearance of murder of four other women as well. 335 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:19,800 Mary Lee Geary Catherine Conan Les, Catherine night and Dorothy 336 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,300 Spence all disappeared from the downtown Eastside the same year 337 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:29,500 as the valley murder Hours. Lynn Gary's remain were found 338 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,700 two years later in North Vancouver but bodies of gonna 339 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:38,200 land has night and Spence have never been found. 340 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,500 And their names are currently on a list of 45 other women who 341 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:49,100 vanished from the streets over the past two decades, the RCMP 342 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,600 did not consider McCarley a suspect and disappearances of 343 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,900 women, who vanished after September, 1995 I've because he 344 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:02,600 was in custody from that point onward, but now that he has been 345 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,300 cleared, it means the real killer could be responsible for 346 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:11,200 three Valley murders. If you look at some of them, 347 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:18,900 you'll see some consistencies Mick, Carl said, where were they 348 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,000 missing from and what were they doing prior? 349 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,300 When they went missing and who were their Associates? 350 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,100 There. We got to be a couple more. 351 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,500 There got to be some person responsible for my personal 352 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:41,100 belief, is that Vancouver isn't the only hunting ground The 353 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:45,800 person is probably hunting all over Vancouver Island up in the 354 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,500 interior Highway of tears and across the border given that 355 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:55,000 possibility. Senior investigators met in 356 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,900 Kelowna to discuss cases of murdered, missing sex trade 357 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:03,500 workers from around the province, the valley murders, 358 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,300 the Vancouver, missing women, the murders of women on 359 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:12,600 Vancouver Island and the Interior Highway of Tears, were 360 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800 all part of the agenda in the end. 361 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:20,200 Make Carl said, investigators agreed on the need for a Joint 362 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,900 Force Team assigned exclusively to those files. 363 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,100 The feeling he said is that they shouldn't work on anything else 364 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:35,900 so they can stay focus and pursue it until the conclude it. 365 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,100 One of the theories is that the killer has either lived in the 366 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,900 area. Was a logger, a fisherman a 367 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:47,600 hunter familiar with the region or perhaps been incarcerated at 368 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,900 one of those correctional facilities in the Fraser Valley 369 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,700 and became familiar with the area while on a work release 370 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:59,500 program. Make Carl said investigators 371 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,600 hope to find a way to use computers and combined police 372 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,000 prison parole records with the list of Voters. 373 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,300 Fishermen and loggers in the region. 374 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,100 Anything look tronic that we can get is going to be pulled and 375 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:19,500 sorted, then we will try and give it parameters and see what 376 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,700 name comes up. Most frequently, whoever comes 377 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:27,800 up most frequently gets targeted first and What we've been 378 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,900 looking at now, basically, creating a list of the best 379 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:35,400 people to look at and going and finding them and try to follow 380 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,100 up with them. The problem is that the computer 381 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:43,200 program has yet to be developed, that could handle such a massive 382 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,300 amount of information. RCMP inspector Keith Davidson a 383 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:53,000 psychological profile, who helped develop the RCMP computer 384 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,600 system for tracking serial offenders And he's currently 385 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,000 trying to find a way to use computers to assist in the 386 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,300 investigation of the valley murders and the missing women. 387 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,300 Make Carl said that the RCMP recently brought profilers from 388 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,100 Ottawa when a peg to visit Mission and the Agassi crime 389 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,200 scenes. This was done to get a better 390 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,300 idea. What type of person we should be 391 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:25,100 looking for and make sure we have covered off. 392 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:29,500 All the list of possible. Suspects mccarl said he's in 393 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,600 regular contact with the missing woman's task force, which has 394 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,500 been reviewing all the sexual Salts and attempted murders and 395 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:40,500 murders of women in the sex trade around the province. 396 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,200 So far, the review turned up, a list of more than 600 potential 397 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,700 suspects. Deborah Jardine was a compulsive 398 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:55,200 note-taker, The Habit began years ago when she was taking 399 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,900 her daughter to specialist looking for answers to a 400 00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:59,900 baffling string of medical problems. 401 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:04,400 So when Anjali Darlene, went missing for downtown's 402 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,000 Vancouver's, downtown Eastside. Side and November of 1998. 403 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Her mother took note of what the authorities were doing the 404 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,000 finder from her home and Spar would be see mr. 405 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Jardine jotted down the time sedate the names of each 406 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,300 officer. She spoke to and transferred, 407 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:30,600 her work to a journal. Eventually, those notes would 408 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,200 form the blueprint for a formal complaint against The Vancouver 409 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400 Police. Alleging failure to properly, 410 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200 investigate Angelina's disappearance. 411 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:46,200 The complaint was a ejected in 1999 by the office of police 412 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,900 complaint commissioner, but Miss Jordan appealed but that too was 413 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:57,400 dismissed by the same office. Her daughter was named as one of 414 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,900 the 50 women who may have fallen prey to a serial killer, mr. 415 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,300 Dean's, meticulous records. Provide a window into the 416 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:11,300 mindset of The Vancouver Police during the late 1990s, when When 417 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,800 the number of women who vanished began to soar my daughter is 418 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,900 gone and no one ever investigated it. 419 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Mr. Dean said in a telephone interview from Spar would, it's 420 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,200 a real crime. Liberal MLA Tony Buhler said, 421 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Miss Jardine's account shows how the police misread. 422 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,200 The warning signs of a possible killer in the downtown Eastside. 423 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,000 They also underscore the need for a public inquiry. 424 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:48,500 Mr. Bowler also said that Angela Disappearance in 1998, when she 425 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:54,500 was 27 occurred around the time. That Kim Ross, Mo a Vancouver. 426 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:58,000 Police, profiler wrote a report warning that a serial killer 427 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,400 might be stalking sex workers, the report was never acted upon 428 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:07,500 and mr. Ross Mo contract was not renewed 429 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,200 mr. Bowler also launched a 430 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,700 complaint. With the police complaint 431 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,600 commissioner calling for an inquiry, the Surrey Newton MLA 432 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,700 and Miss Jardine's failed attempt to get the police. 433 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,300 To consider Foul. Play was likely experienced by 434 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,100 dozen of relatives of missing women. 435 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,200 I can't imagine what it must be like to lose a loved one. 436 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000 And then realize that nothing is being done about it. 437 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600 Mr. Bowler said among other things. 438 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,400 Mr. Dean's, records. Show that the police did not 439 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,600 call her after Angela's vanished. 440 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:54,500 It was Miss, Chardon who finally contacted detective, Al Howlett 441 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,600 of the missing person Squad in January of 1999. 442 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Then two months have passed since Angela was last seen and 443 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,700 mr. Dean asked, pull asked why 444 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,800 police didn't notify her detective replied. 445 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,800 That Angela was an adult and later, he told her he believed 446 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,600 that Angela may have moved to the United States to start a new 447 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,900 life at the same time. That the missing person 448 00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:30,000 detective was playing down. Angela's disappearance beat 449 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,300 Constable. Dave, Dixon who worked the 450 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,000 downtown Eastside told her that scores. 451 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,000 A women were Vanishing in 1999 of January. 452 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:46,700 Constable Dixon said in his East Hastings, Street office wall was 453 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,000 plastered with photos of missing women. 454 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:57,500 Her notes also show that police did not search Angela's hotel 455 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:02,300 room or interview, her social workers or friends in the weeks 456 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:07,600 after she disappeared. I don't know what the hell was 457 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,600 going on, mr. Dean said, I mean, number one, 458 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,700 no one seemed to care that Angelo was missing number two. 459 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,500 The police didn't certainly care because they never notified Us. 460 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:21,200 Number three, I have a constable that work. 461 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,400 In the downtown Eastside telling me, it was like a serial killer 462 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200 was on the loose, taking women Vancouver. 463 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,200 Police spokesman, Scott dream. L said, police would not comment 464 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,500 on mr. Dean's. 465 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:38,400 Complaint saying it was confidential, mr. 466 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,700 Deane. Like other relatives of missing 467 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,500 women thinks her daughter was being ignored. 468 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:47,100 Because Angela was a drug-addicted sex worker, who 469 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,100 lived in a run-down Hotel on Skid Row. 470 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Today, she believes Angela is dead and likely slain. 471 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,600 She says that she was particularly frustrated. 472 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,800 When police tried to suggest that Angela may have left town 473 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,700 to begin a new life, that response told her that police 474 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,300 were not serious about investigating her daughter's. 475 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:14,199 Disappearance anyone who knew Angela knew she wouldn't be 476 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,400 capable of something that complicated. 477 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:22,600 Angela was mentally handicapped Out and had the intellect of a 478 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,100 ten-year-old. Her mannerisms and reactions 479 00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:31,199 were impulsive and child. Like her mother said mr. 480 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,900 Dean said her daughter's life was plagued with mental and 481 00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:38,500 emotional problems. But Jardine's put on July 18 in 482 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:42,699 a care home, centered in kastigar BC but later that year, 483 00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:47,199 she ran away and drifted to Vancouver's downtown Eastside in 484 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,699 February of that year The Joint RCMP. 485 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:55,199 Vancouver Police task force on missing women charged Robert 486 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,700 William Pickton of Port Coquitlam with two counts of 487 00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:02,200 first-degree murder. Since then police laid for more 488 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400 murder charges against a 52-year. 489 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,500 Old pig farmer. A paper trail Angela. 490 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,400 Jardine has been missing since November 20th, 1998 her mother 491 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,800 Debra immediately that's taken an effort to find her daughter 492 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:27,600 1998, November 10th. Angela called her mother and 493 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,300 Spar would be see from her caseworkers office, Angela, said 494 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,000 she got her hair cut and her caseworker. 495 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,900 Elaine McQuaid has taken photos and would send them to mr. 496 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:44,700 Jardine. November 20th, Angela was last 497 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:49,200 seen at a day-long conference on drug use and harm prevention in 498 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600 the downtown Eastside. She wore pink dress and high 499 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:59,100 heels At 4 p.m. she approached Liz Evans, who worked at the 500 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:04,900 Portland hotel where Angela lived Angela kissed her goodbye 501 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:08,400 and left. It was a last known sighting of 502 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,200 Angela December, 16th, Miss McCoy, a called mr. 503 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,600 Jardine and told her Angela hasn't been seen in weeks mr. 504 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,000 Dean wrote down Miss mcquaid's, exact words as a parent. 505 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,900 You have the right to know your Ders, missing. 506 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,600 She quoted December 20th. Mr. Dean called Miss McQuaid a 507 00:36:28,607 --> 00:36:31,800 few times before Christmas. But she left for holidays, 508 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,700 December 25th, when Angela didn't call or appear at 509 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,000 Christmas to Jardine's feared. The worse residents and Spar 510 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,500 wood began circulating photos of Angela. 511 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,300 And the Jardine's Church set up a trust fund to pay for posters 512 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,300 1999. January 18th, mr. 513 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:54,000 Dean called Miss McQuaid and asked for a phone number for 514 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,900 her. Police officer in charge of 515 00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,000 Angela's case. Miss McQuaid gave her the number 516 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,900 of the downtown Eastside Community. 517 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:06,700 Safety office or Constable Dave Dixon worked, mr. 518 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:10,100 Jardine called the office summer 19th. 519 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,800 Constable Dixon returned. Mr. Dean's call. 520 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,700 He said he knew Angela and he said it was unlike her to 521 00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,700 disappear. He said, Angelo is now among 522 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,300 several women who vanished from the downtown Eastside, he said 523 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:24,700 he believed there was many more he Gave mr. 524 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:29,600 Dean the name the number of detective L Howlett in missing 525 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,800 persons mr. Jardine phone, detective 526 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,900 Howlett. He returned her call the next 527 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:37,800 day. She identify herself and asked 528 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,800 why the police never called about Angela's, disappearance 529 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:44,500 detective how it replied. It was because Angela was an 530 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:48,700 adult. She asked him to fax her a copy 531 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:54,000 of the missing person poster. Detective Howlett replied that 532 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,800 it was still being made. February mr. 533 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,100 Jardine made several calls to the police. 534 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,500 The Portland Hotel were Angela lived and the downtown Eastside 535 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,900 agencies. She said, she repeatedly 536 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:12,200 expressed concerns that police. Weren't looking for, Angela 537 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,900 February 3rd, detective Howlett called mr. 538 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,300 Jardine to say, there's been sighting of Angela in the 539 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:24,300 neighborhood and this was delaying the investigations. 540 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:29,300 It turned out that some people were Mistaking Angela for Serena 541 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Abbott's way, another woman and the neighborhood Jardin disputes 542 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,500 a resemblance eventually miss a bus way vanished as well. 543 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,400 She's now one of the six women, Robert Pickton is accused of 544 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,800 killing or was convicted of killing mr. 545 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,000 Dean called Crime Stoppers three times. 546 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,100 On the first two occasions. She was told that Angela was not 547 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:59,500 in the data banks of missing person on the third try, mr. 548 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:05,000 Dean spoke to an officer who had once lived and Spar wood and new 549 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,800 Angela. He located her file and entered 550 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:13,400 Angela's name into the data. Bang February 15th, mr. 551 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,200 Jardine called Mark Townsend. Who managed? 552 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,200 The Portland Hotel were Angela lived. 553 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,300 Mr. Listen said, that police had not searched her room. 554 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:27,100 Mr. Deane cited. This fact and her police 555 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,000 complaint alleging. It showed the police didn't 556 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,300 properly investigate. Angela's Disappearance in 557 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:38,200 response to mr. Jardine the police complaint. 558 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,600 Commissioner's Office explained this was because the Portland 559 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,800 Hotel staff had been through the room and did not find anything 560 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,500 amiss. Mr. Dean argued, that the hotel 561 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:53,300 staff. Staff aren't trained to look for 562 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:58,900 missing persons. July 28 mystery our Dean filed, 563 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,200 the complaint to the office of police complaint. 564 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:07,100 Commissioner allegedly, that The Vancouver Police Department 565 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:10,100 neglected, its Duty by failing to invest her daughter's. 566 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:16,400 Disappearance 2002 her. DNA would eventually will be 567 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,100 discovered on Robert pickton's pig farm and Port. 568 00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:25,900 Coquitlam. 39 year old transgender sex worker Named 569 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:32,700 Shauna said, I knew one of them. Her words are revealing. 570 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,500 She knew Serena Abbott's way. One of the last to disappear on 571 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,300 The Killing Fields of the downtown Eastside. 572 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,600 She was the one they found her dental plate. 573 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,300 She's been beaten by a date once and they knocked her teeth out. 574 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,600 So that's why they have this Dental plate. 575 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,400 They found it out there. A deep scar runs her runs under 576 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,100 her right. Eye a date. 577 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:02,500 Hit me in the face three times with a piece of metal pipe, 578 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:06,500 fractured my cheekbone. In three places, the orbital 579 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,000 bone was mush. She proudly turns her head 580 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 around and shows what a great Good job. 581 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,900 The plastic surgeon did rebuilding her shattered face. 582 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:19,600 Willie Pickton, Shawna remembers him. 583 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,900 He had long brown hair. That was about shoulder length. 584 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,200 She said he had a mustache, a goatee ish kind of beard. 585 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,700 He was known as a weird date. A guy to be careful about. 586 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,400 I seen him driving around several times in a camper even 587 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:45,200 around the transgender stroll. She said, she heard that he 588 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,400 takes The girl's back with Promises of an eight ball of 589 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,900 rock heroin or crack. He'll tell them they'll get $150 590 00:41:55,700 --> 00:42:00,700 to service him and his buddy, they also found bras cellphone 591 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:04,200 surrender has asthma inhalers that belong to some of the 592 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,300 missing women and that was just what they uncovered above ground 593 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,200 beneath. The mud and debris is of the 594 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,000 Pickton. Farm police have told the 595 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000 families, they're uncovering a massacre. 596 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,900 The relatives cannot even bear to think what has been fallen on 597 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,500 their loved ones. They know about a powerful wood 598 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,600 chipper that was found on the farm and forensic Specialists 599 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,000 spent hours in February searching the pig Barnes. 600 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:36,500 They've heard from former visitors on the farm that they 601 00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:41,200 remember Willie proudly pointing to the Vats where he used to 602 00:42:41,207 --> 00:42:45,300 boil Slaughter pigs. They also learn that the owners 603 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,400 of the meat, rendering plant near downtown Eastside, have 604 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,900 told the police that the pickton's have been delivering 605 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,800 Pig entrails for more than 20 years. 606 00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,500 They know that the company has been asked to search the records 607 00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:05,000 and check the dates of picked This delivery what horror be 608 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,800 felled on these women. Now it's up to the forensic 609 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,700 scientist to tell their story Earthmovers with. 610 00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:15,100 Huge claws at huge, mounds of landfill that cover. 611 00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,800 The property heaps of dirt hides, clues of missing, women 612 00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:24,200 dump trucks, carry, loads to white tents, where the soil is 613 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,600 shifted and placed on for conveyor belts. 614 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,400 A specially trained team of 91 police officers Ologist 615 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:38,000 anthropologists have searched for the tiniest bits of human 616 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:43,700 remains DNA evidence. They already found two hundred 617 00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:49,000 thousand pieces of DNA evidence. The painstaking work is expected 618 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,300 to last four years. The farm site has been divided 619 00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:59,300 into two 216 search grids of 20 meters each. 620 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:06,400 The RCMP says since June Of 2002 when archaeologists students 621 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:13,300 were brought to assist on the site. 12.5 grids have been fully 622 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,200 examined, geologists estimate. There are about a hundred and 623 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,000 sixty five thousand. Cubic meters of surface soil. 624 00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:27,200 That must be shifted and search and that does not include soil 625 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,300 below the surface. It is so surreal Debbie is 626 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,300 working on a gas line across the street from the farm. 627 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,100 She stands in her orange coveralls and hard hat, and 628 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:43,500 capable of truly comprehend. What is being Unearthed on the 629 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,000 farm? She lives in Port Coquitlam. 630 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,400 Most her life and she knows the Pickton brothers, and even 631 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,800 partied at the roadhouse at the, in famous piggy Palace that ran 632 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000 on their property. Just around the corner. 633 00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,600 Dave Pickton was often friendly and generous. 634 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,600 She says As well, Willy was quiet and kept to himself. 635 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,400 Their late mother, sold unpasteurized milk from the farm 636 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,000 piggy Palace had a reputation of wild parties. 637 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:21,200 That Drew Partiers and sex workers to the dance hall, were 638 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,800 a five-dollar entry ticket. Got you a pig roast dinner? 639 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,100 She only knew that it was a popular local hangout after the 640 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:34,500 regular bars have closed. She said she been there out once 641 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:38,400 or twice at the invitation of Dave, Picton and saw many of her 642 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,500 neighbors now, she wonders, she gazes at the heavy equipment 643 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:47,100 digging at the silent Earth. She remembers doing some work 644 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,400 near the farm sometime ago, and going for a walk on the 645 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,600 property. And she was quickly, confronted 646 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,500 by snarling dogs, and the angry arrival of the Picton brothers, 647 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,200 and a pickup, there are really put off by me being there. 648 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,900 She said, now this this doesn't actually seem true, but it does 649 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,700 go with that feeling. I had that day. 650 00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,300 That something was going on at the farm with all the dogs. 651 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,800 Eggs and their friggin sign Dave Pickton. 652 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:24,500 Has insisted that the body parts and the other Discovery. 653 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:28,800 Other discovered by the police were planted and have nothing to 654 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,000 do with Willie. Debbie says the talk around town 655 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,500 that Willie if guilty could not have acted alone, people think 656 00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:43,100 other people were involved. Willie doesn't seem that smart 657 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,100 to do it on his own. He must have needed some help. 658 00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,100 Both brothers had run in with the law before. 659 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,100 Dave Pickton was convicted of sexual assault in 1992 and was 660 00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,700 fined. Brother, Willie was also known 661 00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,800 to police and 1997, he was charged. 662 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,900 The attempted murder after a couple driving along Dominion 663 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:11,200 Road were found bleeding and handcuffed partially closed. 664 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,000 Sex trade, worker staggering near the farm. 665 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,700 Miss Anderson her. Her name has been changed under 666 00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,400 a protection. Been told. 667 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,400 Willie Pickton has repeatedly stabbed her with a brown? 668 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,400 Handled kitchen knife. Pickton was charged with 669 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,600 unlawful confinement and tempted murder and aggravated assault. 670 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,500 Picton insisted that. She attacked him first in a 671 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,400 robbery attempt and had a stab wound to prove it. 672 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:47,500 The charges were stayed. An aunt of one of the missing 673 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,800 women said she called them three years ago but they dismissed the 674 00:47:51,808 --> 00:47:55,200 tip newspaper reports about another woman. 675 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,700 Who told police she saw bags of bloody clothing and a trailer at 676 00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,800 the farm. Bill Hitchcock, a former 677 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,300 employee of pickton's also went to the police in 1998, after he 678 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:15,500 was told by a friend that she has seen a collection. 679 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,600 Action of purses IDs that were kept in the trailer on the 680 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,000 property yet. Nothing was done and women 681 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,100 continue to disappear. So we're going to continue on 682 00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:29,900 with this tomorrow. Tomorrow, I'm going to go over 683 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:34,500 the Robert Pickton evidence and also, we're going to get into 684 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,000 the 1997 knife fight, that William Pickton was charged 685 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,300 with, but the crown prosecutors decided to drop those Charges. 686 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:50,500 So I want to appreciate everyone's patience while I've 687 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:52,900 been working on getting these podcasts out. 688 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,900 I've been writing this series for about seven months and 689 00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:01,400 because of the dark nature and the heavy nature of this 690 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,100 content, I also read a lot of like positive thinking and 691 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:13,100 affirmations that kind of stuff. So, you know, keep the keep me 692 00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:17,700 sane, you know, like the the Stuff is pretty, pretty hard to 693 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:19,900 research. And I had to take long breaks 694 00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,300 sometimes especially at the really upsetting content that 695 00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:25,100 I'm going to get into. There's there's some stuff 696 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,800 that's pretty heartbreaking. So I decided that every podcast 697 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,600 I'm going to leave with something positive. 698 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,800 So I'm going to read, you know, a poem, something uplifting 699 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,400 something to end things on on a strong happier. 700 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600 Positive note, this is called, never too late. 701 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,700 It was written by Doris Santa Jack. 702 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,900 It's never too late to be who you want to be. 703 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,100 It's never too late to change your thoughts and beliefs and 704 00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,800 perceptions. It's never too late to be 705 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,600 optimistic enthusiastic and happy. 706 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:02,400 It's never too late to have a great attitude. 707 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,100 It's never too late to be more adaptable in every situation. 708 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:10,900 It's never too late to embrace unavoidable change rather and 709 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:13,500 fight it. It's never too late to forgive 710 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,600 yourself and others. It's never too late to learn to 711 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,100 grow. And be good to ourselves along 712 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,400 the way. It's never too late to get 713 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,100 unstuck it's never too late to change the ways and try new 714 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,000 things. It's never too late to expand 715 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,200 your mind and believe in perceptions equal to your 716 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,400 reality. It's never too late to in 717 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,000 corporate a sense of humor and all things which happens around 718 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000 us. It's never too late to see the 719 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,700 good in everything. It's never too late to remember 720 00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:50,600 that every Obstacle you meet in life can be seen as a block or 721 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,200 an opportunity. It's never too late to learn 722 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,500 from our mistakes and failures there. 723 00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,500 Just signs of what did not work for us. 724 00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,400 It's never too late to listen, to get to know your children. 725 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,100 It's never too late to fill your heart with love for yourself and 726 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,500 others, including strangers and animals. 727 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,900 It's never too late to be fun and adventurous and Phil excited 728 00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,700 about life. It's never too late to make new 729 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,400 friends to enjoy who support your true self. 730 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,200 It's never too late to heal yourself from all the hurt and 731 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,900 pain. It's never too late to laugh out 732 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:30,300 loud at least once a day. It's never too late. 733 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,400 To heal Old Wounds and enjoy life to the fullest. 734 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,400 It's never too late to be a Survivor who loves surviving. 735 00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,500 It's never too late to accomplish those dreams and 736 00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,300 desires that you're were your first love. 737 00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:48,700 It's never too late. To feel every good emotion. 738 00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:53,600 You ever wanted to feel? It's never too late to feel sexy 739 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,000 and beautiful and celebrate your uniqueness. 740 00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:00,200 It's never too late to let go of the past and not worry about the 741 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,200 future instead. Learn to live and enjoy the 742 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,100 present moment. It's never too late to love 743 00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:12,400 yourself, truly so that you won't need approval from others. 744 00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:16,100 It's never too late to live up to your own expectations. 745 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,100 It's never too late to be a best friend to yourself first. 746 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,800 It's never too late to think outside the box and be open to 747 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,000 new ideas. It's never too late to bring 748 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,000 balance to work and play. Never Too Late to enjoy sex and 749 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,200 be more playful. It's never too late to live 750 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,500 freely and every way possible. It's never too late to be the 751 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:46,300 best you that you can be. It's never too late to fill 752 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:49,200 this. Life has been worth it as you 753 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,100 continue to learn and grow. It's never too late to want the 754 00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:57,500 best for yourself and think Thoughts with no limitations. 755 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,500 It's never too late to dream, big and know that you deserve 756 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:04,300 it. It's never too late to focus on 757 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:08,400 the good instead of the bad. It's never too late to learn. 758 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,900 Fear has no place in our minds and heart. 759 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,900 It's never too late to know, true love. 760 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,700 Which can be found through work or relationships. 761 00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:21,100 It's never too late to use our minds and Imagination to create 762 00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:24,300 our lives. It's never too late to know, and 763 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:29,200 understand, we all connected and never too late to pay attention 764 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,200 and be aware of ourselves. It's never too late to get the 765 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,300 most out of life and truly experience. 766 00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:37,100 Feelings of happiness for no reason. 767 00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,500 At all, it's never too late to appreciate and be grateful for 768 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,800 everything. It's never too late to feel 769 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:48,400 truly loved and appreciated it's never too late to release any 770 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,500 guilt anger or resentment in her bodies and mind it's never too 771 00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,800 late to let go of anything that does not align with our higher 772 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,200 self. It's never too late to go after 773 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,800 what you really want in life. It's never too late to say those 774 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,000 things. You've always wanted to say 775 00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:10,700 never too late to see the beauty in the world and the beauty and 776 00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:13,000 others. It's never too late to fill our 777 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,500 heart with love until it overflows with joy. 778 00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:20,400 It's never too late to be true to yourself now. 779 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,500 And always it's never too late to live by your own rules for 780 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,600 your own wants. It's never too late to, truly 781 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000 learn to enjoy all the lessons of the world. 782 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,800 We live in. In. 783 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,100 It's never too late to live your life with no regrets. 784 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,100 It's never too late for a new beginning. 785 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,200 It's never too late to always focus on the end result which 786 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,100 you want. There's still time to be whole. 787 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:52,300 The sooner you start the longer, you will have to enjoy the 788 00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:52,900 outcome.