1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,300 Welcome the Vancouver. True Crime podcast. 2 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:07,600 Hi Mark. I am the host of the show 3 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:11,400 warning, the content in this podcast. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,000 May be upsetting to some of the listeners due to his dark 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,200 subject matter, listener. Discretion is advised. 6 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:27,300 This podcast series, hunting monsters is also dedicated to 7 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:31,200 all the victims of predators and my deepest condolences to all 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,200 the surviving family members and loved ones who cared for these 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,100 people. It's important to remember. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,100 That they are human beings who deserve, not only our sympathy, 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,600 but also our understanding, furthermore, none of these women 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:48,000 chose to be victimized or murdered February 23rd, 1995 a 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,600 partial skull with an attached. Vertebrae was discovered in a 14 00:00:51,608 --> 00:00:54,800 creek by a man. I would hiking filling up his 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,500 water bottle. The creek was situated, just 16 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:01,400 south of the low heat, highway east of the Ruskin bridge and 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,700 Mission British Columbia. The woman's DNA profile has been 18 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:08,900 provided to every lab across Canada along with the composite 19 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:11,700 drawing. It has been shared with Interpol 20 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:16,800 and it's 188 members countries in August 2002. 21 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:21,700 Bones were re covered during a search of Robert pickton's Farm 22 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:25,200 in Port Coquitlam. Were confirmed to be genetically 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,000 linked to the partial skull. That was discovered miles away 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,900 in Mission BC. Here's what the investigators 25 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:35,800 have been able to determine about Jane Doe. 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,400 She was a Caucasian female. Her estimated age was between 20 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,800 and 40 years old. Death would have been somewhere 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,200 1985, and 1995 missing teeth in the upper. 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,900 Right portion of her jaw indicates that she met Of wore 30 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:56,800 Dentures. It's believed her skull was cut 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,400 in half with a power saw. So when Robert pickton's Farm 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,800 was searched in August, 2002 bones were recovered. 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,800 During the search of the serial killer, Robert pickton's farm 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,500 and it was confirmed that not only did they find other human 35 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,600 skulls mutilated in a very similar fashion, to the victim 36 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,700 in Mission BC, but he'll bones ankle bones and a rib bone 37 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,000 belonging to the victim. Mm, were found buried in a pit 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 behind picked and slaughterhouse. 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,400 This victim has never been identified, so the area was 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,500 searched by a police dog, underwater divers. 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,600 The skull was examined by a pathologist and Corners. 42 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,000 There was no obvious explanation, how it got there, 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:49,500 or who she was on April 4th, 2002, two months, after police 44 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:53,000 seized Robert pickton's property corporal. 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,100 Tim slay, who examined the partial skull. 46 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,800 That was discovered in Mission BC back. 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,700 Then, who was now an investigator at the pig farm. 48 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:08,000 He was very concerned about power failures caused by the 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,300 equipment. Used in the massive search were 50 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:15,900 spoiling and possibly evidence and multiple freezers in 51 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:18,700 particular. He was worried about an older 52 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:22,900 freezer tucked away in the corner of a tiny back room. 53 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:28,100 Umm and pickton's workshop. It was emitting a terrible smell 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,600 but it had not been searched yet because pickton's trailer and 55 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,300 slaughterhouse had been deemed the top priority for police at 56 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,600 that point. Heavy objects way down the lid. 57 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,700 So Corporal slay asked RCMP Sergeant Fred necks to prop open 58 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:51,100 the lid while he's Sean a flashlight inside he could see 59 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:56,500 two buckets, one inserted, Into the other laying on their sides 60 00:03:56,700 --> 00:04:01,800 he reached into it and look into the top of the bucket unsure to 61 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,100 believe his eyes. Ask Nick what he saw. 62 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:10,600 It looks like a human head Tim Nick replied it was a horrifying 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,500 find and for the first time police found human remains on 64 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:19,899 the farm inside. The top of the bucket labeled 65 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:26,100 clout. Was ahead cut into along with 66 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:30,100 two hands and feet. They were the remains of Andrea 67 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:35,200 Jose burry when the top bucket was removed, slay found the same 68 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,700 body parts from another woman in the bottom of the pale. 69 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:43,900 They were all that was left of Serena Abbott's way. 70 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:50,100 A pathologist at the autopsy the next day, confirmed, the remains 71 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:54,400 have been treated savagely. The skulls were sown vertically 72 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,500 through the front and back, and then torn apart at the top of 73 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:02,400 the skull where the two cuts didn't quite meet. 74 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,500 It was an unusual. Trademark made Tim slay, think 75 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:10,500 of the Jane Doe skull found in Mission BC. 76 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:14,100 The veteran officer who career was focused on examining human 77 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:17,600 remains. Crime scenes had never ever seen 78 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,700 any skulls bisected that way, except for that half skull. 79 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,700 Also inside the bottom of the pale was another severed skull. 80 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:30,000 Two hands and two more feet Mona. 81 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,900 Wilson's remain had been sitting near another bucket holding 82 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,400 animal awful as this was the building where Picton butchered 83 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:45,000 pigs at pathologist said Abbott's way Jose burry Olson 84 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:49,900 died of bullets to the Head. James do remains did not have a 85 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:53,700 bullet damage, but the other half of her skull has never been 86 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:57,800 found a tool. Mark expert examine the heads of 87 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,800 all for women and then reproduced the cuts by a drawing 88 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,500 them on a plastic skull. The result was shocking. 89 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:13,200 The pass of the four by sections were nearly identical. 90 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:18,200 All four appeared to be cut with a power saw. 91 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:23,900 Corporal Tim slay, the RCMP. CSI expert was called on May 92 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:29,400 5th. 2002 to the site of the old Piggery, which has been attached 93 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,000 to the slaughterhouse before it collapsed and became a heap of 94 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,000 construction, debris and garbage and bedded in manure, throughout 95 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,000 the old Piggery was a partial jaw bone or several teeth in it. 96 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,200 Slay used it. The brush to clean off the 97 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,200 teeth, and found a dental filling in one. 98 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:54,500 It belonged to Brenda wolf, two months later, after some half 99 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:59,700 walls, and a raised platform by the pigpen were torn down 100 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,600 officers Unearthed from the ground. 101 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:08,000 Some 14 human hand bones. Slay, examine one, bone and 102 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 appeared to be hacked by a knife. 103 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:13,900 The left hand bones were the only proof that Georgina path. 104 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Even had been on the farm and the rest of her body and none of 105 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,300 her personal possessions were ever found to help investigators 106 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:25,600 with the massive search. The task force hired about 100, 107 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,700 and the Balaji students and graduates to shift through dirt. 108 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:35,000 Excavating from the deep below, ground level on August twenty 109 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,400 first two thousand to one of the students was monitoring a 110 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,300 conveyor belt which displayed an item plucked from the dirt. 111 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,400 The Curious item caught her eye Was a partial jaw bone with 112 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,100 three teeth. It was the only part of Marnie 113 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:53,800 Frey to be found on the farm like poppin none of phrase 114 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,100 belongings were ever found on the property, a pathologist 115 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:02,100 testified that both wolf and Frey, Jaws could have been cut 116 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,100 through the middle, just like the other discovered skulls, 117 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,500 when lab ran tests results on on the discovered bones DNA, 118 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:15,200 Matched a heel bone and a rib bone. 119 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,600 That was a genetic. DNA linked to the Jane Doe skull 120 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,800 and Mission BC. So where was the rest of her and 121 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,000 what happened to her? The search of the Picton 122 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,700 Brothers to Port Coquitlam properties. 123 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,100 The main Dominion, Avenue farm, and the nearly multi acre lot on 124 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:38,400 Burns Road. Continued for 20 months, the 125 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,700 Dominion property stretched from pickton's North End of the farm 126 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,400 to his brother's farm house at the South End. 127 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:52,100 Where police seized sex toys and lotions from Dave, pickton's 128 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,800 bedroom on the burned Rome, Out Searchers focused on The 129 00:08:56,808 --> 00:09:02,300 pickton's Unofficial nightclub piggy, Palace a Smokehouse and 130 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:07,100 other outbuildings and multiple Vehicles, including a blue 131 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:11,100 Phantom bus and an odd building, still under construction. 132 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:15,600 So many items were seized from both properties that they were 133 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,200 sent to a warehouse for storage, some lower priority objects sat 134 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,200 for three or four years before officers had time. 135 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:29,000 To thoroughly examine them. And if necessary sent them to 136 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,400 one of six, RCMP Labs across Canada evidence, such as hair, 137 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:42,100 blood semen or other stains was removed from many of the 235,000 138 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:48,400 item seized by the task force. That created a total of 600,000 139 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,100 exhibits that needed to be tested. 140 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:57,100 Prosecutors suggested the search was so thorough that police even 141 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:01,500 looked in the lint tray from pickton's clothes, dryer, and 142 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,900 argued that all the evidence linked to the missing women was 143 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:09,000 found within 100 meters of pickton's trailer. 144 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:16,000 It included, seven objects of Abbott's way DNA, including an 145 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,600 inhaler, roughly 40 things with Wilson's DNA. 146 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Them inside. A blood splattered motorhome 147 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,800 about eleven items mostly from the trailer or slaughterhouse 148 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,600 with Jose burry DNA such as jewelry and an address book, 149 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:41,100 three objects with wolf DNA included, a leather jacket and 150 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:46,100 pickton's bedroom closet. No personal possessions were 151 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:51,700 found bearing DNA of pathan or Fray DNA evidence linking Picton 152 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:56,300 to one of his victims included, a dildo attached to a revolver, 153 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,200 which bore Wilson's DNA. The main question remains, how 154 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,900 was Robert Pickton? Able to murder women repeatedly 155 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:08,700 yet and visibly without detection at this poor Coquitlam 156 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:13,400 property for so many years. Geron Willie, pickton's trial. 157 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,800 Ingrid Fuller, made an interesting admission during 158 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,400 cross-examination at the BC Supreme Court and newest 159 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,200 Minister while being questioned by picked his defense lawyer. 160 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,900 Earlier further said, the only thing she found in pickton's 161 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:36,000 trailer was dirt but later under cross-examination by prosecution 162 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:39,300 she admitted she hadn't told the truth. 163 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:44,500 What she really saw. While cleaning the trailer was 164 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:48,300 lots of Blood on the carpet. When Crown lawyer, Michael 165 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:52,800 Petrie asked her explain the apparent, inconsistency, in her 166 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,800 testimony to the court. She said that she's been told it 167 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,100 to of Robert pickton's defense lawyers that she wouldn't be 168 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:06,100 asked about the blood when she testified Ingrid. 169 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,200 Fowler was a neighbor of the pig farmer. 170 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:15,500 Sister is the former common-law wife of pickton's brother Dave 171 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:18,400 Pickton. She lived across the street from 172 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,000 the Pickton farm from 1994 to 98. 173 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,700 She said that Pickton was a knowledgeable mechanic a 174 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:31,300 proficient Builder, and had a good memory. 175 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:35,100 She insisted. She never saw any women who 176 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:37,400 resembled or acted, like prostitutes. 177 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,400 She described herself as a good friend. 178 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,800 She first met Willie as a young girl, and later worked at the p 179 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,100 and B Salvage, the Surrey based demolition company that Willie 180 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,900 and his younger brother. Dave owned. 181 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,500 She also Clean this trailer a half dozen time during the six 182 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:05,200 month, period in 1996 and 1997. Her brothers have also worked 183 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,600 for the pickton's who are family, friends, Fowler said, 184 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 she visited picked and regularly and the 90s making social calls 185 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,000 as frequently as four times a week arriving. 186 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,300 Sometimes, after 5 p.m. and staying for several hours, 187 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,700 Sometimes Late into the night, we would find a place to set and 188 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:26,200 we would just talk she said during Conversations were mostly 189 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,400 about animals Picton bought at the auction or plan to bid on. 190 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,700 It was a platonic relationship. Would you say he was your best 191 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:39,600 friend? Crown prosecutor Petrie asked, I 192 00:13:39,608 --> 00:13:43,200 wouldn't say best friends. I'd say good friends, she 193 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,400 replied. She didn't disagree with Petry 194 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,900 suggestion that the farm was often very dark and isolated at 195 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:54,100 night. It was scary when you agree, he 196 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:58,400 asked. Yeah, she answered Willie's 197 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,100 trailer. It's pretty isolated. 198 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,100 He continued its at the back of the property. 199 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,700 Yeah. She said, Petrie then asked her 200 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:14,100 if she's seen any employees of pickton's brother topsoil and 201 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:17,000 demolition business hanging around on the farm after work. 202 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,000 Yes, she replied explaining some of the crews did maintenance on 203 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 the machinery and on vehicles, and the often stayed as late as 204 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,000 10:30 p.m. Petrie seem to have difficulty. 205 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,900 Understanding why she spent so much time over there. 206 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:37,700 She like pickton's company. She replied. we talk one-on-one 207 00:14:38,300 --> 00:14:42,900 just about cover anything she said, He's a pretty smart guy, 208 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,200 Petrie asked, he talks about a lot of things. 209 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:52,000 Few moments later, she replied. Yes, but before agreeing that 210 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 their conversations were essentially just chitchat 211 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Petrie, then asked her forgive me if this sounds indelicate. 212 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,700 But did you have a crush on him? Petrie asked? 213 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,200 No, she said you seem to be going over there an awful lot 214 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:11,200 but not talking about matters of great substance. 215 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,900 But you're there for very long periods of time, according to 216 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:19,200 your evidence Petrie continued, she insisted. 217 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,600 She never saw any women who acted like prostitutes or anyone 218 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,200 doing drugs on the farm. Did you see any women's clothing 219 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,300 anywhere on the property? Petrie honest. 220 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,200 And some of the cars he bought at the police auction. 221 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,800 She answered also in a brief outline provided to jurors at 222 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,700 pickton's trial. Victims lawyer said that And a 223 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:47,200 focus on his IQ to explain his statements to police who will 224 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,100 testify about his mental capacity defense lawyer. 225 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:55,100 Adrian Brooks said, picked in failed grade to entered a 226 00:15:55,108 --> 00:15:59,300 vocational program in school and his mother's will stipulated 227 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,200 that he wasn't going to receive his share of his inheritance 228 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,800 till age. 40. Robert Pickton was too dim to 229 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,600 laugh at a punchline and had a limited vocabulary, but he 230 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,400 wasn't exactly a moron. His former sister-in-law 231 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,800 testified Sandy the closest relative to testify at pickton's 232 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,500 trial. She said she used plain clear 233 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:29,700 words when they talked nothing too. 234 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:34,000 Elaborate, she noticed that Picton had trouble understanding 235 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,800 jokes. The testimony prompted. 236 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,900 Prosecutor. Mike Petrie to wonder if she 237 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,800 meant Pickton. Was a bit of a moron? 238 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,500 I wouldn't use those words. She replied Petrie continued. 239 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Petrie asked her, how often as an office administrator for the 240 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,900 brothers, sir, eBay, salvage company. 241 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,600 Did she see picked in at the Port? 242 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,500 Coquitlam Farm, she agreed. It was infrequently, but another 243 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,300 businesswoman who dealt with Picton on a regular. 244 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,599 This is offered a much harsher assessment of pickton's language 245 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,099 skills. He spoke like a hillbilly. 246 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:15,400 Audrey testified, she also called Pickton backwards. 247 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:20,099 Not as intelligent as most of us picked and slurred. 248 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:24,300 His words had trouble pronouncing words properly when 249 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:29,100 it came to the family business. Willie was the worker, a slave, 250 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:33,200 kind of thing. And Dave was the boss, she moved 251 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,200 in with her younger brother. Dave picked in, in 1973, living 252 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:43,600 in the family's farm house, they separated in 1978, she remained 253 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,500 part of the families in her Circle, visiting the farm with 254 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:50,600 kids, working for Dave, and the 1980s and becoming an office 255 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,100 administrator for the Brothers, salvage, company, and P and be 256 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:59,800 used building materials in 1996, both brothers, were directors of 257 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,600 the various family-owned companies. 258 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:06,800 She said his financial duties were not very complicated. 259 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,700 He had difficult reading some words in written documents but 260 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:15,100 she did remember him speaking about the women who stayed with 261 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:20,100 him had drug problems. Dave picked and brother was 262 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,900 considered by police to be a person of interest in the 263 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:27,100 missing woman's investigation. RCMP Sergeant. 264 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:31,200 Dan Alma said on the witness stand he wouldn't rule out. 265 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,600 Dave's involvement and disappearance and murders of 266 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,100 women. RCMP inspector. 267 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Don Adams testified that Dave told officers the morning after 268 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:49,100 his brother, so rest in February 2002, I know it's over for 269 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,700 Willie. I know there's bodies. 270 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:56,700 Adam said, Dave pointed out a spot day was convicted of a 271 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:59,300 sexual assault. In the early 90s and suspected 272 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:02,500 in another violent sex attack in 1999. 273 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,700 The woman in the alleged 19, 99 incident said her limbs were 274 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:10,400 tied to Four Corners of days bed. 275 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,900 With bungee cords, police found, bungee cords and the bedroom. 276 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,400 I had a fear of the victim, didn't want police to 277 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,100 investigate or lay charges. RCMP staff sergeant Wayne Clary. 278 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,600 Then second in command, at the missing woman's task force, 279 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:33,100 testified, August, 7, 2007, that Lynn Allison was arrested 280 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:38,800 because of the information. She gave police and August 1999 281 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:43,900 about seeing a butchered body and picked and slaughterhouse Le 282 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:48,200 Nelson testified that she's been living on the farm doing odd 283 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,200 jobs for pickton's for a couple of months. 284 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,100 When one night her and Picton went out, cruising Vancouver's, 285 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:59,700 downtown Eastside. Looking for sex workers for 286 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:03,100 Picton. She said they brought one woman 287 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:08,500 back to the Port Coquitlam. Lynn Allison told the court 288 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,000 while the woman and picked and went in one room, she went into 289 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,200 another and God. Hi choking. 290 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Back tears Lynn Allison described how she was woken up 291 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,800 by a noise in a bright light coming from the Barn. 292 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Door were picked in slaughtered pigs and went to look, I saw a 293 00:20:26,808 --> 00:20:30,200 body it was hanging, will he pulled me inside behind the 294 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,700 door? He walked me over to the table. 295 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:36,800 He made me look and told me if you say Anything you'll be right 296 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,900 beside her. When told the court that the 297 00:20:40,908 --> 00:20:45,100 woman was hanging in the barn, she was the woman that they 298 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:49,900 picked up earlier that evening, this woman that we had picked 299 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:54,600 up, was at my eye level. There were her feet, like her 300 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,300 legs were, like I saw red toenail polish on this black 301 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,300 shiny table. I don't know what it was but 302 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:08,900 there was lots of blood. And oh hair black hair asked by 303 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:11,100 the crown. If she noticed the person's 304 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:17,200 face, Le Nelson said no, not her face, but it was her hair like 305 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,700 she had long black hair and that's what was laying on the 306 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,300 table. Iram. 307 00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:27,200 Just remember her toes. What was Picton doing to the 308 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,900 woman? There was knives with blood on 309 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,400 him. She said, and he was full of 310 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,900 blood himself. The woman was Georgina. 311 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,200 Papen disappeared in March 1999, later, that night said that, she 312 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,800 took a cab and went and got drugs. 313 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:49,700 She stayed with her friends and left Vancouver, out of fear. 314 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:53,700 She told the jury, she was introduced to Picton by a woman 315 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:58,100 named Gina Hudson. A close friend of Pickton, the 316 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:02,500 two women met in the halfway house, whirl in Houston, was 317 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:04,900 escaping, an abusive relationship. 318 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,600 A ship Willie Pickton, eventually offered Lynn 319 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,200 Ellingson to work at his farm. He had her clean up, the trailer 320 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,300 and drive his trucks said, Picton new. 321 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,000 She used drugs and helped her obtain them. 322 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:25,300 That Casanova was another suspect. 323 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:30,100 In the case Casanova, had been arrested on suspicion of 15 324 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:34,800 killings. Including those of five of the 325 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,200 Six. Women Pickton was convicted of 326 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:45,300 murdering a band saw with human DNA was found in Pat casanova's 327 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:50,300 home. Casanova, used Willie pickton's 328 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:55,700 bed to have sex with some of the missing women police said there 329 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,300 was not enough evidence to charge has against Casanova. 330 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:04,200 So, Pat Casanova was a man who butchered pigs with Robert 331 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,600 Pickton. He also paid for sexual favors 332 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,100 with the women at the Port. Coquitlam Farm, Pat Casanova 333 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,300 told the Supreme Court that a woman he knew as Performed oral 334 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:20,800 sex on him and pickton's bedroom. 335 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000 He identified her and the photographs on the poster board, 336 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 showing the 48 missing women who went missing and from 337 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,700 Vancouver's, downtown Eastside, he pointed out photo number 338 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:39,400 three, which was identified as Andrea Joe's burry, one of the 339 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,800 six women's whose remains were discovered at the pig farm that 340 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600 Casanova, also admitted to having sex with other women. 341 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:50,600 Women who are brought to the farm under cross-examination. 342 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,900 Pat Casanova said, Dina Taylor arranged to bring him women for 343 00:23:55,900 --> 00:24:00,700 sexual favors including Angel. It Was Dina Taylor who made the 344 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:02,900 arrangement to bring Angel to the farm. 345 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:08,800 Defense lawyer Adrian Brooks asked, yes sir, Pat Casanova 346 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,100 replied. Casanova told the court. 347 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,800 He did not kill any of these women and never saw anyone else 348 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,200 harm women at the farm. Neither the defense asked 349 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Casanova boat Lynn Ellingson. The other picked an associate 350 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:27,400 who was arrested but not charged. 351 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:33,200 Brooks asked, Ellington talk to Casanova about getting the 352 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,400 hundred thousand dollar reward for information leading to 353 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,600 arrests. She wanted that award Brooke 354 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,700 said, yes, sir replied, a raspy voice Casanova. 355 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,600 Who speaks using a prosthetic device. 356 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,100 Because his vocal cords have been removed. 357 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,100 That Casanova Who Sold pork mostly to customers in the 358 00:24:55,100 --> 00:25:00,500 Filipino Community originally told, Crown prosecutor David 359 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:04,000 privett. He did not deal with picked and 360 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,900 between 1997 and 1999 before his Throat operation him and picked 361 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,000 and had a falling out and picked and told them he wanted out of 362 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,700 the pig business Casanova. Said he later changed his mind 363 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:23,200 and the 18 year long business relationship renewed he said he 364 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 would do pigs again. Correct Brooks asked and his 365 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,400 cross-examination. It was Dave that ran the 366 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,600 property Brooks said, that's what I know. 367 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:37,000 Casanova said on the second day on the stand Casanova. 368 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,000 And he spent more time on the farm than he previously stated 369 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:46,100 his claims of working at the farm Saturday and Sunday. 370 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:49,100 Evenings and again, on Monday mornings contradicted, his 371 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:54,100 statements made at the Picton preliminary hearing in 2003. 372 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:59,600 Brooks suggested that Casanova was at the farm on Fridays to, 373 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:03,500 in order to remove pigs to be roasted from the cooler. 374 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:06,200 You don't want people to know how much you were at the farm. 375 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,500 Brooke said, The reason why I have nothing to do there. 376 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,500 Casanova said at one point during the line of questioning 377 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Casanova seen baffled, he turned his language interpreter for the 378 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 first time in the preceding Brooks continued. 379 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,100 I suggest you were at the farm virtually every day. 380 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,600 I disagree. Casanova said that Casanova told 381 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,400 Crown prosecutor. Darrell perret, he never saw any 382 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,100 women harmed at the farm. Where he helped Picton butcher 383 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,600 pigs on weekend. Evenings, did you see any women 384 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,000 being killed? Brevet asked no sir. 385 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,500 No, sir Casanova said. Well, did you kill any women? 386 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:55,300 Previewed asked. No sir Casanova said, did you 387 00:26:55,308 --> 00:26:57,300 see any human remains on the property? 388 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:01,300 No, sir, prove. It then asked if Casanova saw 389 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:04,800 any human remains in the freezer where the pork was stored at the 390 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,200 farm. No. 391 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,100 Our he denied helping anyone dispose of human remains at the 392 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:12,800 farm. Casanova was a short man who 393 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,300 wears glasses. His voice is raspy, his vocal 394 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,000 cords have been removed. He has a prosthetic vocal 395 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,300 device, he speaks and halting deliberate manners pressing his 396 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,800 thumb and forefinger over a hole in his throat. 397 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:28,900 He went into detail. How the two men butchered pigs 398 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,700 inside the slaughterhouse at the Port. 399 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:34,700 Coquitlam, Farm Saturdays and Sunday evenings. 400 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,900 Sometimes working past midnight. Night and resuming their work 401 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:41,600 Monday morning. Casanova said he never stayed 402 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,200 overnight instead, returning to the farm, the following day to 403 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,200 work. They could butcher 2225 pigs in 404 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,400 a week and he said, police later discovered human remains inside, 405 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,900 some of the freezers at the farm, the jury were told a 406 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,400 bandsaw seized from casanova's home. 407 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,400 Was found to contain unidentified human DNA. 408 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,300 His DNA was also found on a freezer, where human remains 409 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,400 were discovered, as well as night vision, goggles seized 410 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,400 from the farm. Robert, Willie pickton's friend 411 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,700 Dena Taylor said, she wanted to kill a woman named Andrea. 412 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:24,600 She just kept saying, she wanted to kill the bitch testified Gina 413 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,900 Houston Taylor was arrested, but never charged. 414 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,400 He's since said in June 2001 she went to visit Pickton in his 415 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,400 trailer, no one was there. But the trailer was a very very 416 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,500 clean Houston said This new person, he hired to do that. 417 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,900 That day did a spectacular job. Considering the girls who 418 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:49,200 usually did it. Radix, Houston said few hours 419 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,000 later, he stand received the first of two or three phone 420 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,600 calls, from Dina, Taylor, who was enraged that she's received 421 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,300 less money from Pickton, then Andrea the woman who cleaned the 422 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,900 trailer. Houston said, Taylor wanted 423 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:08,700 Houston to come and pick her up along with Andrea and bring them 424 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,500 bring her to pickton's farm. The three had smoked crack 425 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,800 together. She identified that woman as 426 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,700 andreadd Roseberry who disappeared in June 5th, 2001, 427 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 who was reported, missing June 8 2001. 428 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600 He soon recalled. That Andrew was very polite and 429 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,800 well-mannered soft-spoken a gentle person. 430 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,800 Andrea, gotten Houston's car with Dina Taylor. 431 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,300 They drove around smoking, crack cocaine. 432 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,400 Her hands feet and head were later. 433 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,900 Found inside a plastic bucket inside the freezer at the 434 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:51,500 pickton's farm. Dina Taylor was arrested on 435 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:54,000 suspicion of Murder in the missing woman's case. 436 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,600 But never charged Pickton asked repeatedly to speak to Dina 437 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,100 Taylor when he was being interrogated on the day of his 438 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:06,100 murder arrest. Robert Pickton friend Gina 439 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Houston testified, he told her in a conversation, but bodies 440 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,500 buried at the farm and said that Dina, Taylor was responsible for 441 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:18,500 three or four of them. Picton also said he's not a 442 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:23,000 murderer that a female acquaintance of his was 443 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,300 responsible for, at least some killings. 444 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Picton blamed. The murders of sex workers, 445 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,500 whose bodies were found on his Pickton pig. 446 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,600 Farm ondina Taylor, who spent time at his property, his 447 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,900 friend. Gina Houston, pulled the cord, 448 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:45,700 under questioning by pickton's lawyer, a friend of pickton's 449 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:50,500 for more than a decade said, Picton made the comments and 450 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,800 February 22, 2002, the conversation that happened after 451 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,600 the police raided the farm before he was formally charged 452 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,600 with any murders. The police informant who's 453 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,700 information LED investigators to Robert pickton's Farm. 454 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,300 Testified that the serial killer told them a good way to kill. 455 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,300 Someone is to inject them with windshield washer fluid or 456 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,800 radiator fluid. Scott chub one of the crown star 457 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,800 Witnesses said in the comment came while he and Robert Pickton 458 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,900 were not working on the farm pulling nails from boards. 459 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,100 Scott chub, who worked on the Pickton property in Port 460 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,400 Coquitlam. Periodically between 1993 and 461 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:42,000 2001 testified that the accused. He testified that Lynn Ellingson 462 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,100 a woman who lived in a separate room in his trailer had been 463 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,900 Healing from him, Lynn Ellingson had been apparently, been 464 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,500 evicted from the trailer after three months. 465 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,000 And picked him. Wanted Scott Chubb to talk to 466 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,900 her about the money. He wanted me to go talk to her 467 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:08,200 for a thousand dollars, and I didn't know what he meant by 468 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 docking. It could have meant multiple 469 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,700 things when he was talking to me, he was mentioning me. 470 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:21,300 The idea that if you wanted to go talk to her, He was trying to 471 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,500 give me an idea of how to get rid of a person. 472 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,300 He said he was telling me, That if you want to get rid of 473 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,700 someone, you could take a syringe full of windshield, 474 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:35,800 washer fluid or radiator fluid inject, that person with that 475 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,900 substance and kill them Picton. Then told them an OP Topsy would 476 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:46,100 be probably not be done on a junkie, because if the RCMP 477 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:50,100 found a body with needle track marks, the police would simply 478 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:55,300 consider the death an overdose January 2000. 479 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,600 A video was shown of serial killer, Robert Pickton and a 480 00:32:59,608 --> 00:33:03,900 female friend trying to fool RCMP interrogators by claiming 481 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:08,400 that Willie Pickton, the pig butcher was pray, not the 482 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,200 predator and the bloody knife fight in 1997 with a sex worker. 483 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:20,100 The January 2000 video shown for the first time at the missing 484 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:25,000 woman's Commission of inquiry suggest RCMP officers might have 485 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,000 let picked an off-the-hook by allowing his longtime friend 486 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,100 Gina Houston to accomplish him and answer questions for him on 487 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:40,300 video. RCMP Constable Ruth, your quit 488 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:44,500 and John cater aspect. And what happened in his trailer 489 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:51,400 on the Night of March 23rd, 1997, when you and a sex worker, 490 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,100 had a big altercation. I mean, everything has been 491 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,700 dropped. The problem is, she could have 492 00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:02,200 been charged picked and says, yeah, she attacked him, Houston 493 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,700 added. And when the statement was given 494 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,400 they dropped it, it was a terrifying event for me picked 495 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,600 and claimed while hugging himself in the quarter and an 496 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,900 ear. Fetal position at times. 497 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,800 Rocking on his chair, his palms appear to be block with dirt. 498 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:23,199 He was wearing a baseball cap and a grungy sweater picked and 499 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,800 tells the officer, he picked up the woman victim, Miss Anderson 500 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,100 in Vancouver and promised her $100 for sex. 501 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,100 Picton says that after the woman shot, herself up with drugs. 502 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,000 She went into kitchen found a 6-inch butcher. 503 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,300 Knife on the table and started to attack him. 504 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,300 Why had it there? I don't even know picked and 505 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:48,199 says, I cook, you know, I do pigs, whatever. 506 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:53,500 And anyways I turned around and she sliced a big chunk off my 507 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:58,700 face picked and runs his fingers across his throat. 508 00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:02,700 Under both arms to demonstrate where he was slashed and says, 509 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,300 she stabbed him right in the jaw, knocking out two teeth. 510 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,600 And, again, in the back, I did take the knife away from her and 511 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,000 night after twice, picked and said, that's one thing, I 512 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,900 shouldn't have done. Picton goes on and says he went 513 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:21,500 to the police station to report the incident before driving 514 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,100 himself to the hospital. He insists, he's never before 515 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,300 brought a prostitute on his trailer and never did it again. 516 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,600 Picked and denies to the officer that he offered to pay an 517 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,700 associate to bring Miss Anderson from the downtown Eastside back 518 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,800 to the farm. So he could finish her off. 519 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:45,000 Picton said he handcuffed Anderson after she attacked him. 520 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,900 He is asked why he keeps handcuffs in the trailer if 521 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:52,800 someone breaks in. What do you do? 522 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,800 Gina Houston says for him. Gina Houston. 523 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,100 Testified her continued affection for Willie Pickton. 524 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 She said it was his close friend, Dina Taylor, killing the 525 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,000 women on his property. Picton picked up Tracy, bohlen 526 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,600 and 1996 after they had sex picked and came after her. 527 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:23,200 Picton came at her with a knife, accusing her of stealing his 528 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,500 wallet. She walked out of his trailer. 529 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:30,100 He came after her a few minutes later and drove her back 530 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:35,600 downtown, she said Picton picked on the worst off women and the 531 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,600 neighborhoods making friends with them winning their trust, 532 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,900 by promising them, helping them to get clean but he only gives 533 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,000 them one chance. They go back on the dope while 534 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,900 then they don't deserve to live. They're useless, they're better 535 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:56,500 off dead when she was asked. Why do you think she survived? 536 00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,100 She simply said, because she was in high a sex trade worker, 537 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:03,700 testified today at the missing woman's inquiry that she 538 00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,800 believed she was assaulted and raped by serial killer Robert 539 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,600 Pickton. Two decades ago, Susan Davies 540 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,100 were called, she called 911 three times report the matter. 541 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,800 But police never showed up. She said she waited on the 542 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,300 corner for hours for police to take her statement. 543 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,300 But finally she left because she was so cold. 544 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,000 It was like a blizzard, she recalled. 545 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,700 There was snow everywhere. I had a hop over a snow bank and 546 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,300 get into the car. Davis told the inquiry 547 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:34,600 commissioner Wally opal. She said the incident occurred 548 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,000 somewhere around January 1991. Davis said the man was driving a 549 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,500 beat-up station wagon and took her to a location where he 550 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,200 punched her in the face and raped her at knifepoint. 551 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,500 She recalled, he had thin hair and smelled terrible. 552 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,000 She said, she called 911 to report to police and was 553 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,300 transferred to a police officer said he would meet her at second 554 00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,900 and Main Street. She phoned the officer twice 555 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:03,400 more, he never showed she finally left. 556 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,100 She said, the incident was a reflection of anchor replacing 557 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:09,000 difference and violence against sex, trade workers. 558 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,500 It was a common experience for sex trade worker. 559 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,900 She said, that's one of the reasons why there's been a 560 00:38:13,908 --> 00:38:17,100 traditional distrust of police, but admitted, there's been a 561 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,000 change in attitude in The Vancouver, Police Department, 562 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,100 especially among the younger Officer who try to make sure 563 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,600 women working the streets are safe. 564 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,200 Davis 43 has been an advocate for decriminalizing Street. 565 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,700 Prostitution to make it safer. She said she's been a sex trade 566 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,200 worker for 25 years. You have no way of protecting 567 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,500 yourself. She recalled about getting into 568 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,900 a car for stranger. She said, endure sex work is 569 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,600 safer because you can screen your clients and you have 570 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,500 control over your working environment. 571 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,300 Street sex workers, used to rent Hotel. 572 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,500 Rooms and Vancouver's downtown Eastside for $20 an hour. 573 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,900 She recalled. Most Street sex workers, only 574 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,000 make enough money to survive and pay for drugs. 575 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,300 Davis said, Street sex workers are preyed on by drug dealers. 576 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,800 Everything you earn is a property of drug dealer. 577 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,300 She testified she said, drug dealers, don't want street 578 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,600 workers to die, they just want them to pay their debts. 579 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,100 But occasionally, women get pushed out. 580 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:25,000 Windows Davis said, The inquiry is examining, why Pickton wasn't 581 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,700 caught sooner. So to be continued, I'm going to 582 00:39:28,707 --> 00:39:30,500 continue on with the picked and series. 583 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:35,600 I still have a lot more research to disclose and I want to get 584 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,600 more into the women's stories in the next Pickton podcast in 585 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,700 between it just to give me a break from Picton subject 586 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:45,000 matter. Myself and researching it, I'm 587 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,400 going to do a Vancouver, beautiful and ugly because I get 588 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,300 a lot of requests for those and I really appreciate again. 589 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,200 Again all the positive and great feedback. 590 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,500 I've been getting it means the world to me. 591 00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:01,200 So thank you very much. 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