1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,300 Welcome to the Vancouver. True Crime podcast. 2 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:10,500 I Mark, I am the host of the show warning, the content in 3 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,700 this podcast. May be upsetting to some of the 4 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:15,400 listeners due to his dark subject matter, listener. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:25,900 Discretion is advised. February 5th. 2002 please 6 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:29,500 execute a search warrant for the illegal Firearms at the property 7 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:32,700 owned by Robert Pickton. He was taken into custody and 8 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:36,600 police then obtain a second court order to search the farm 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,700 as part of the BC, missing woman's investigation, when 10 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:44,900 personal items, including a prescription asthma inhaler, 11 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:48,700 belonging to one of the missing women were found the farm was 12 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:52,800 sealed off by members of The Joint, RCMP Vancouver, Police. 13 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:57,100 Urban task force following day. Pickton was charged with storing 14 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:59,400 a firearm. Contrary to regulations 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,300 possession of a firearm while not being a holder of a license 16 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:06,200 and possession of a loaded restricted. 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,400 Firearm without a license, he was later released and kept 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,400 under police surveillance on Friday. 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,200 February 22nd, 2002 Pickton was arrested and charged with two 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,300 counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of serene Abbott's 21 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:26,500 way and Mona Wilson on April 2nd, 2002. 22 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:30,500 Three more charges were added for the murders of Jacqueline. 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 McDonald died in Iraq and Heather bottomley. 24 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:39,700 A six charged for the murder of andreea Jose burry was laid on 25 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:44,700 April 9th, 2002, followed shortly by a seventh for Brenda 26 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:50,400 wolf on, September 20th, 2002 for more charges were added for 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,800 the slaying of Georgina papen. Should Johnson Helen Hallmark 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Jennifer from Winger for more charges for the murder of 29 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,900 Heather. Chinook, Tanya holik, Sherry 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:09,699 Irving Inga Hall were laid on October 3rd, 2002 bringing the 31 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:13,200 total to 15 making the investigation. 32 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,100 The largest of any serial killer and Canadian history on May 26 33 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:23,100 2005 while more charges were laid against him for killing. 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,700 With of Kara. Ellis andreea. 35 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:29,000 Moore Haven Debra Lynn. Jones Marnie. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,900 Fry Tiffany Drew Carey call Ski Serra De Vries Cynthia. 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,700 Fowler Angela. Jordan Wendy. 38 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:42,100 Crawford Diana Melnick and a Jane Doe. 39 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:46,900 Bringing the total number of first degree murder charges 227 40 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,300 excavations on the property. Continued through November 2003, 41 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:55,400 the cost of the investigation at This point is estimated the 70 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,700 million dollars. By the end of 2003 forensic 43 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:01,800 analysis was extremely difficult because the bodies of the 44 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,100 victims may have been left to decompose or be allowed to be 45 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:10,000 eaten by insects and pigs on the farm during the early days of 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,200 excavations forensic anthropologist brought in heavy 47 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,200 equipment, including 250 foot flat conveyor belts and soil, 48 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,600 shifters to find traces of remains on March 10th. 49 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,000 And for it was revealed that human flesh may have been ground 50 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,600 up and mixed with pork from the farm. 51 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:34,900 And it was handed out the friends and visitors on the farm 52 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:40,200 Crown prosecution alleged that he would learn his victims with 53 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,800 the promise of money and drugs and cocaine traces were found 54 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,400 and lot of the recovered tissue samples. 55 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:53,400 After sex, he would strangle or shoot his victims bizarrely a Or 56 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,500 was found with a dildo on the end, it's believed it was an 57 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,200 improvised silencer. So William pectin became a 58 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,500 person of interest to the police in the early 2001. 59 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:08,100 When the task force began collecting DNA of women. 60 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:11,500 Missing from the downtown east side of Vancouver, Pickton was 61 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:14,500 convicted of killing the following women. 62 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,700 Marnie fry, she was last seen August 30th, 1997, her Jawbone 63 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:25,400 was found outside picked and slaughterhouse for Gina Faith. 64 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:31,100 Papen was last seen March 1st 1999 per hand. 65 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:35,100 Bones were buried in a pig pen under a platform in the 66 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:41,200 slaughterhouse Brenda and wolf. Last seen March 5th, 1999, her 67 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,500 Jawbone in a debris Pile in a pigpen DNA on a leather jacket. 68 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:53,100 And pickton's bedroom closet, DNA on a key found near a hand. 69 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,300 Half and lay cuffs one of them. Bearing pickton's DNA was found 70 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:01,200 in the loft of the workshop andreea. 71 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Jose burry last seen June 5th, 2001 head, hands and feet in a 72 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,900 bucket in a workshop. Freezer DNA on an earring and a 73 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:19,000 ring in the slaughterhouse DNA. On a black nylon jacket, and 74 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,000 black leather boots, and pickton's bedroom DNA. 75 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:28,000 May on the bathroom wall and on a pillow case inside pickton's 76 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,600 laundry room, Serena Abbott's way. 77 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:38,300 Last seen July, 18th 2001, head hands and feet in a bucket in a 78 00:05:38,308 --> 00:05:42,100 workshop. Freezer DNA also inside the 79 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:47,300 bucket with Joe's berries remains her blood on a Solomon 80 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,000 ski bag. Containing two syringes also 81 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,600 bearing her DNA in Ben's office, an inhaler prescribed to 82 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,600 Abbott's way, inside the ski bag and for other inhalers in the 83 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:07,400 garbage outside of pickton's trailer among with Revenue, 84 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,300 Canada documents with her name on it. 85 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,500 Mona Wilson. Last seen December 1st, 2001, 86 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:23,000 head hands and feet in a bucket and a pigpen DNA belonging to 87 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:27,600 her and Pickton on a dildo attached to a 22 caliber 88 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,300 revolver in his laundry room. Large blood stains on a foam 89 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:38,300 mattress bed platform and walls in a motor home on the farm 90 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,300 other strange things that were found a blow-up sex doll bearing 91 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:45,800 picked and DNA found in his bedroom. 92 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,300 And also human remains were mixed into the pig feed as well 93 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:53,000 forensic, experts spent the next two years. 94 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,400 Shifting through three hundred seventy thousand cubic meters of 95 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,500 dirt and manure looking for further human parts and Bone 96 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:05,500 fragments. Robert Pickton who like to be 97 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:10,000 known as Willie was a regular customer of Street. 98 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,700 Sex workers on the downtown Eastside several locals 99 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:19,100 described him as weird and slow and tended to keep a low profile 100 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,100 after pickton's February 22nd. And to arrest, he was videotaped 101 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:28,700 in his cell. A jury saw portions of the tape 102 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:33,300 when he was speaking to his cellmate an undercover officer. 103 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:35,500 But what was edited out was shocking? 104 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:40,200 When the cell mate was briefly removed Pickton, stripped off 105 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,800 all of his clothes and masturbated and his jail cell. 106 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,700 Despite having been told, there was a security camera in the 107 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:53,000 ceiling. The British Columbia corner 108 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,700 office have quoted the situation at the Pickton Farm as the scene 109 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:02,600 of a massacre family, says the description came at a meeting 110 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,300 between family and the missing women and police Crown 111 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,100 representatives and others involved in the investigation of 112 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:12,600 the farm of the Prime Suspect Robert William Pickton. 113 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 They said this is like a massacre. 114 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Rick fry, whose daughter Marnie has been missing since 1997 as 115 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,200 he recalled the private meaning, then they said that I knew the 116 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,200 lady, I was sitting next to had a hard time coping with that. 117 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,299 I know other people behind got up and left. 118 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:37,200 Other people were breaking down. They had to go out and compose 119 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,600 themselves, and come back and listen to the rest of it. 120 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 The rest of the for our mean, including a warning that 121 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,000 relatives of missing, women should not expect to receive the 122 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,300 bodies of their Loved ones. Only fragments fragments was one 123 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:54,300 of the big key words will be finding fragments said Mr. Frey, 124 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:58,700 what they found so far, is what they got on the surface. 125 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:01,700 Nothing underneath they have some pretty good ideas where to 126 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:05,400 dig, but he said the corn or staff were sensitive. 127 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,800 They were compassionate people, they had hell of a time saying 128 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,600 what they were trying to say families. 129 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,700 Also, got shown photos of materials, gathered from the 130 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:18,600 farm, including Clothing, jewelry handbags to see if they 131 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,000 could identify the items belonging to their missing 132 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,000 relatives, according to neighbors, and many witnesses. 133 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:30,000 Willie Pickton would bring back sex workers from the downtown 134 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Eastside to his property. Neighbors witnessed cockfights, 135 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,900 all hours on the farm and they would run their dump trucks. 136 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:43,300 To the early mornings, police investigators confirmed by July 137 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,800 1999, that Willie Picton held illegal cock fights on his 138 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,600 properties. Attended up to 40 people who 139 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,300 made bats, almost every weekend and that summer Gina. 140 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,600 Hudson said, the pig farmer, was a nice caring, man, who liked to 141 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,700 help single mothers and wouldn't hurt a soul, especially 142 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:08,700 prostitutes instead, she said he befriend a lot of them and he 143 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:11,900 kind of felt sorry for them and he does give the money. 144 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 He gives him 20 bucks here there. 145 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Go buy themselves, something. Well, I mean, obviously they get 146 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,000 dope. But he says that they need 147 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,300 cigarettes and tampons and condoms. 148 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,100 And he'd rather give them a couple bucks than to see them 149 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:27,600 work. Hudson and her husband said that 150 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,700 the police had single out their friend because of the false 151 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:35,300 accusations by a woman with a drug problem, they know, but 152 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:38,800 soon as she gets a little heroin or a little coat and can't get 153 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,300 no more drugs, she goes right off. 154 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,300 Houston says, I've been hauled into serious crime units up 155 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:50,200 tents time over this crackhead, then he picked in doesn't give 156 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,900 her money for dope. She phones and says that he 157 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:55,300 slaughtering hookers and bearing them on the prowl. 158 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Property, Houston insists the allegations by the woman she met 159 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,200 at a transition house are baseless this chick watches him 160 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,400 slaughter a few pigs, and then she went and phone them. 161 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,900 She said she describes in detail how he Slaughters and skins them 162 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:15,500 and cuts them. So she phones a police up and 163 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:20,400 tells him, she watched him. And and I doing this one night, 164 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,200 and she was just, and it was just a pig. 165 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:26,400 She said, it was one of the Missing hookers from the 166 00:11:26,408 --> 00:11:31,700 downtown Eastside according to his friend, Picton stabbed The 167 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:37,500 Prostitute and 1997 and self-defense he got the bomb end 168 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:40,800 of the deal because that incident with the hooker that he 169 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,900 brought back here that stabbed him, Houston said, they dropped 170 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:47,900 the charges against him because all the stab wounds on him were 171 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:50,700 on. In the back, he defended himself 172 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:55,700 and ended up stabbing her eyes, Picton trucks, being seen Around 173 00:11:55,700 --> 00:12:00,000 the downtown Eastside, Houston, claimed that she and one of her 174 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,500 friends borrowed it for the last six months. 175 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,100 And that's why it's been seen around down there. 176 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:10,000 She was the one driving. It Pickton was charged in 1997 177 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,300 with the attempted murder of a van coover, sex worker, whose 178 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:17,300 name is been changed under protection ban, as we call her 179 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:18,900 mrs. Anderson. 180 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:23,700 He is also charged with unlawful confinement, assault with a 181 00:12:23,708 --> 00:12:28,700 weapon, aggravated assault. Police alleged that on April 8, 182 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:32,900 1997 picked and picked up Miss Anderson on the downtown 183 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:37,400 Eastside took her to his poor Coquitlam pig farm where he 184 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,800 stabbed her repeatedly with a kitchen knife leaving the woman 185 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,300 on the brink of death. She was able to escape and press 186 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:50,500 charges against him, the charges were dropped and January 28th. 8 187 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:54,800 February 9, 2002. According to his lawyer Robert 188 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,500 Pickton, one of the owners of the pig farm being investigated 189 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,900 by the Vancouver, missing, woman's task force is shocked 190 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:07,400 and flabbergasted that he's been named a person of interest. 191 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,400 In the case, the lawyer Peter Richie was acting on the behalf 192 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,900 of Picton representing them in various business interests 193 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,400 including home demolition business and a used buildings. 194 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,100 Apply company and the farm. I spoken, Richard said breaking 195 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:26,100 the silence in the behalf of their family. 196 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:29,400 They spoke to me yesterday. The family is shocked by this 197 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,100 and is trying to assist. The police Richie said the 198 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:36,600 family was willing to allow the use of any farm equipment. 199 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,600 To assist police adding, they are concerned about underground 200 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,300 digging because of the wires and gas line and the various soils 201 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:50,500 stored and certain way Richie previously represented Didn't in 202 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:54,400 the 1997 when he was charged with the attack on a Vancouver, 203 00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:00,500 sex worker, February 8, 2002, Wayne Lang, and his Grassroots 204 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:04,700 search for Sarah DeVries. He set up a hotline for tips in 205 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:10,200 which 1998 received a call from a man calling himself Bill who 206 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,200 said, Sara was dead. This man couldn't give me any 207 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,400 more information than Bill told me a prostitute. 208 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,300 He knew was taken into a big pig farm at Port Coquitlam, where 209 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:26,200 she was badly. Assaulted Lang said, what's 210 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,100 more. The Prostitute has told Bill 211 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,500 that she seen numerous items of women's clothing and pieces of 212 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:38,500 woman's ID all over the place. Lang received several other tips 213 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:43,300 about a dangerous farmer called Willie, which he passed along to 214 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:45,000 The Vancouver, Police Department. 215 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:49,500 We were all concerned because they didn't seem anybody. 216 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,100 To take this guy seriously. We were, we never heard wherever 217 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:59,200 they actually did searches of Willie's Place or whatsoever, 218 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,900 but we knew he had lots of land and he was fairly well off at 219 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:08,300 seen another poor Coquitlam, property dub, piggy Palace 220 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,200 Picton and his brother through several large parties which 221 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,200 would constitute as an illegal bar in 1996 to city of Port 222 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Coquitlam. Went to court seeking an order. 223 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Against the brothers about their piggy Palace, good time society 224 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,800 and bar them from holding any more parties on the property in 225 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,700 an affidavit filed with the court in 1998 for Coquitlam. 226 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:37,200 Fire chief, Randy Shaw said he toured the property with Dave 227 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Pickton and September 1998. Found a building that appeared 228 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,500 to be a dance hall. Observed, a commercial type of 229 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:48,700 kitchen. A pub type bar, raised 230 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:52,600 entertainments, Age a dance floor sound lighting system. 231 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 Tables chairs capable of accommodating a group in the 232 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,800 excess of 150 persons. The affidavit stated a neighbor 233 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:05,000 named Betty remembers a Runnin that she had with Picton and 234 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,400 another man when he stole her dog in 1997, she was on Parole 235 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,100 and living at her parents home, five blocks away from the Picton 236 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:18,300 Farm in Port Coquitlam Pickton, and his buddy encountered Betty 237 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:21,200 will call her Betty out. Outside a nearby grocery store. 238 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,300 They targeted me. They invited me to the farm to 239 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:27,500 party Betty recalled. I didn't say one word to them. 240 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:32,300 She said, adding she went inside the store and left her three 241 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:35,800 month old puppy outside. When she returned minutes later, 242 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,000 the dog was gone. Her name and phone number was on 243 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,700 the dog's collar, she recalled and then the phone calls began 244 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:46,500 when she got home. She went to the Pickton farm 245 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:50,000 that night with her dad to retrieve the dog from the Ford 246 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,300 pickup truck, they took down the license plate. 247 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,600 She said, she said she went to the police and reported the 248 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,200 matter, but the police wouldn't even take the license plate down 249 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,200 cops completely patronize me. She said they made me feel. 250 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,500 I was harassing Picton, she recalled Pickton was very, very 251 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:10,200 quiet. Lurked in the shadows while she 252 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,000 dealt with pickton's. Buddy at the farm who was loud 253 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 and very aggressive. She said she lived a few blocks 254 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,700 from the pickton's farm growing up and was fearful of Of the 255 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:21,500 men. She saw on the farm, I felt 256 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:28,000 danger my own backyard, she recalled April 1st, 1997 Pickton 257 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,100 was arrested and charged with attempted murder and assault 258 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,400 with a weapon. Forcible confinement, aggravated 259 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,900 assault, the charges initiated a crown prosecution victim 260 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:42,400 appeared at his bail, hearing on April 8. 1997 bail was granted 261 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,800 for $2000, a trial was set for five days, February 2nd through 262 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:54,700 the 6th and 9th. 98 on January 26 1998, the criminal justice 263 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:58,100 branch of the ministry of the Attorney General entered, a stay 264 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,700 of proceedings for the four charges. 265 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,500 Basically means the charges were dropped. 266 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:07,600 So this is a transcript of an interview of March 23rd. 1997, 267 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:11,800 an interview of Miss Anderson by to RCMP officers, constables 268 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:16,100 Cason, and Constable Stratton the interview took place four 269 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:19,400 days after the incident while miss Anderson was stolen the 270 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,700 Hospital interview began at 10 a.m. and lasted an hour and 12 271 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:26,100 minutes. Several times Miss Anderson 272 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,000 expressed, discomfort and pain. She has undergone surgery in the 273 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,400 days before the interview prior to this interview of police. 274 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,100 Miss Anderson has spoken with the social worker at the 275 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:41,800 hospital, wrote about the assault. 276 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,800 Miss Anderson stated. She was hitchhiking on her way 277 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,400 to the Princeton hotel located at Victoria Drive and Power. 278 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,400 Street in the downtown Eastside approximately 11:45 p.m. on 279 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:01,900 March 22nd 1997, Picton picked her up at Cordova and Princess 280 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:07,500 Street in a red pickup truck. Picked it offered her 100 281 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:10,500 dollars for a blowjob. If she agreed to go in 282 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:13,900 Coquitlam, she resisted pickton's request to go to Port 283 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:17,500 Coquitlam but eventually she agreed when picked and promised 284 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,000 to bring her back to the down. Down east side within a few 285 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,100 hours by 2 a.m. during the interview Miss Henderson, 286 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:30,400 expressed concern that she might be at fault because she agreed 287 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,700 to go with him. She had never seen Pickton 288 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:37,300 before the drive from the downtown Eastside 2935 Dominion 289 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:41,900 Avenue in Port Coquitlam, took between 30 and 50 minutes. 290 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,200 She noted, that Picton took a longer route. 291 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,200 He was going to the end of the freeway United Boulevard, then 292 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,100 back Tracking to Port Coquitlam. He was driving slowly, not 293 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:55,800 speeding. En route to his property. 294 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:59,700 She wanted him to stop, so she could use a bathroom, but Picton 295 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:03,500 would not stop. She told investigators, but now 296 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,100 I know why he wouldn't pull in. He didn't want no one to see me 297 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,800 cuz I wasn't expected to get out of there. 298 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,600 I'm sure I wasn't. I just wanted to get a just 299 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,300 wanted to get that in when she arrived. 300 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:21,900 Left at the Pickton trailer on the property. 301 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:25,300 He refused to pay her until after the ACT. 302 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Picton pulled out a quilt on a carpet. 303 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,200 There was no bed in a room. It was at this point in the 304 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,400 property. It was at this point in the 305 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,100 interview that Miss Anderson said I know it, I know there's 306 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:45,100 broads on that property, an apparent reference to the 307 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,200 missing. Women Picton would not let Miss 308 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,100 Anderson use his phone. After the ACT, he would not let 309 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:56,400 her near the phone when she went to the bathroom and when Came 310 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,400 out. He started she started looking 311 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,200 in the phone book to get the number of the car door of a room 312 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,800 where she had paid to stay that night with a friend victim 313 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,300 grabbed her hand and stroke it. As if it was to trick her then 314 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:15,400 put a handcuffed on her wrist. She had not seen Picton, get the 315 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,200 Cuffs. When asked what Picton said, 316 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,800 where his demeanor has changed at that point. 317 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:26,700 Miss Anderson said, he might have said, you little Bitch or 318 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:31,000 something like that and his expression did not change. 319 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:34,900 Miss Anderson told the investigators that her first 320 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:37,200 thought after he handcuffed her was. 321 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,000 What's this guy doing? Is he a psycho or what? 322 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,200 And then I just, I just like, I seen red, I went ballistic. 323 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:47,900 She agreed that she was fighting for her life. 324 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:51,400 Miss Anderson describe how picked and slapped the cuffs on 325 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,800 me and they continue to fight. She spotted a knife and Picton 326 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,600 across his jugular. She said that he was trying to 327 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800 handcuffed her with the other side of the handcuffs. 328 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,700 Even though he's been cut, Miss Anderson kept trying to convince 329 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:11,200 Picton to Let Her Go. Eventually he agreed to let her 330 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,100 go. Miss Anderson, kept trying to 331 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:18,300 convince Picton to let her go and eventually he agreed to let 332 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,000 her out of the trailer. He appears to be dizzy. 333 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,700 At this point, he opened the door then went into a room at 334 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,400 the back of the trailer. Or Miss Anderson told him to 335 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,300 stay there. While she went outside, when she 336 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,900 tried to exit, he put her in a headlock. 337 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:36,700 She still had the knife at this time. 338 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,300 There was some confusion, whether Pickton may have gotten 339 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:44,800 the knife away from her inside. However, if he did, she got it 340 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,300 back and convinced him to back away once they were outside and 341 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:52,200 got into the truck. Miss Anderson told the 342 00:22:52,208 --> 00:22:54,800 investigator that she thought this is it. 343 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,400 I'm history. He got Now she apologized and 344 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,000 begged please. Let me go. 345 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,400 She offered him a thousand bucks. 346 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,300 He said, yeah. Okay. 347 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:08,400 But she didn't believe him. She thought he would just say 348 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,500 that to shut me up picked and got the knife back and stabbed 349 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:17,000 her in the stomach abdomen. He put the knife in me and then 350 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,300 he lifted it up. Once she was stabbed, he thought 351 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:22,700 I'm done. I'm stabbed, I'm going to die. 352 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,700 Then there was a all of a sudden, she felt Him go limp, 353 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:30,300 she got the knife back by grabbing it, which is how she 354 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:34,500 cut her hand at this point. They're both too weak to do 355 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:37,500 anything. Miss Anderson could not recall 356 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,800 if Picton said anything during this part of the altercation 357 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,300 picked and collapse. Like he had no more energy. 358 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:50,200 She told investigators that she slid out from under him and ran 359 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,800 about the truck and stood on the other side of the truck and 360 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,900 stared at him for a couple. A second and then she could see 361 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:03,000 him slowly going down. She just bolted, Miss Anderson 362 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,300 made her escape by running through the property. 363 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,000 All the way to the end of the property. 364 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,200 She didn't, she had to stop and catch her breath along the way. 365 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,900 She climbed the fence to get out at the end of the road. 366 00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:18,200 There was two houses. She chose one with the light on, 367 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,100 then no one answered. She tried to pop. 368 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,200 Open the window. And again, and she was yelling 369 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,500 for help. She ran down a Stairway. 370 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,500 She Put her elbow through a living room window. 371 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:30,800 She tried to bang on other windows. 372 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,100 A car. That was that was driving by 373 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:36,200 backed up and stopped. Miss Anderson walk towards a 374 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,600 car, Miss Anderson still clutching the knife which he 375 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,300 dropped when asked to do so. By the driver, she begged the 376 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,900 driver and companion to take her to the hospital. 377 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:52,700 The couple helped her into the car, called 911 and drove her to 378 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,700 meet an ambulance on the way they flagged. 379 00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:59,800 Sergeant buraq who was a responding to the call. 380 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Corporal Connor than of the RCMP serious crime section Coquitlam. 381 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,100 Detachment was a lead investigator of the 1997, picked 382 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,600 an incident. Police seized evidence from Miss 383 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,400 Anderson and Picton. They include closed bandages, 384 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:21,300 handcuffs handcuff, key police undertook, a search of pickton's 385 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:25,700 trailer and truck and pursued a search warrant evidence. 386 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,700 Gathered various items that were seized including three 387 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,800 hairbrushes. A sleeping bag, condoms various 388 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,700 items with blood on it. Blood samples were taken from 389 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:40,200 the wall in the trailer. Other forensic evidence, 390 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,700 including photographs of blood transfer patterns blood. 391 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:50,300 Cast-off patterns, is also taken evidence was also gathered from 392 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:54,100 pickton's truck including a woman's bra and numerous blood 393 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,600 samples police interviewed Then shortly after the incident. 394 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,800 But no formal interview was taken police undertook, short 395 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:07,100 interviews with pickton's nice and brother Pickton was 396 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,900 interviewed. While in hospital, it was the 397 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:15,900 one and only time Miss Anderson was interviewed. 398 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:20,300 While in hospital, it was a one and only time she was 399 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:24,200 interviewed by police. No formal statement was taken. 400 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:30,600 Corporal Connor, Constable Cason, Constable Strachan 401 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,400 Believe. Miss Anderson was being truthful 402 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,500 about the events. Although Corporal Connor. 403 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Never met Miss Anderson, the transcript of this interview 404 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,000 upon its summary is base. As the only interview, the 405 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,700 police took for Miss Anderson, there is no evidence that she 406 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:56,000 received the transcript or signed her interview on March 407 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,700 29th. 1997. Corporal Connor sent out a on 408 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:05,600 March 29th, 1997. Corporal Connor sent out a 409 00:27:05,608 --> 00:27:10,400 bulletin to all Lower Mainland. Metro Vancouver RCMP. 410 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,800 Detachment least form them of the offense and advised that 411 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,900 picked and should be considered a dangerous to sex trade workers 412 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,600 on April 1st. 1997. Corporal Connor completed the 413 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600 request to Crown counsel concerning the incident, and 414 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,400 recommended three charges against picked an attempted 415 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,000 murder, assault with a weapon and unlawful confinement and 416 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,800 March and March 1997. Police knew enough about Miss 417 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,600 Anderson to ascertain. She was a vulnerable witness and 418 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,800 secure, living arrangements, had experienced violence and 419 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,600 concerned for her safety. There was clear limitations to 420 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,600 the investigations, they included. 421 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,900 The fact that Miss Anderson was only interviewed once while she 422 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,800 was in hospital and in pain, there was no follow-up, done 423 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,100 regarding Miss Anderson's remark, during the interview, 424 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:06,600 especially comments about there being broads on that property 425 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,900 and the formal statement was not Not taken from Miss Anderson 426 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,900 pick one short interview while in hospital. 427 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,700 There was a number of additional reasonable steps that were not 428 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:19,600 taken by Coquitlam. RCMP. 429 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,800 For example, further inquiries into pickton's activity would 430 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,400 have led to information that Pickton was engaged in other 431 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,400 illegal or troubling activity. Furthermore, there was no 432 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,300 evidence that police took any steps to find out about picked 433 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,900 and by, for example, interviewing neighbors. 434 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:43,000 And so on The possibility and the value of additional and more 435 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,500 thorough. Search of the trailer was not 436 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:51,800 fully canvas by the RCMP. In addition, Corporal, Connors 437 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,300 message, warning, that Pickton was a potential danger to women 438 00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:01,200 particularly women engage in the sex trade indicates, that he did 439 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 not consider this an isolated event. 440 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:09,200 There was serious limitations on the initial investigation, Of 441 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:16,000 the Anderson assault Coquitlam, RCMP in 1997, from 1997, onward, 442 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,700 a reasonable person would have come to the conclusion that Miss 443 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:24,200 Anderson may had had important evidence about missing women or 444 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800 at least evidence worthy of further investigation. 445 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,600 In fact Miss Anderson told police that picked and told her 446 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,100 that he went to the downtown Eastside once a week to pick up 447 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:41,600 sex workers. The likelihood that the assault 448 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:48,800 on Miss Anderson was not a one-off was clear and thus the 449 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,800 likelihood that the assault on Miss Anderson was not a one-off 450 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:58,100 was clear unreasonable that the investigation was not pursued 451 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,400 more fully at that time. The evidence together with the 452 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,200 early incidents of a sexual assault referring to pickton's 453 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,700 were crucial facts could ever completely. 454 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,500 Where'd the crown prosecutor who approved the charges against 455 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,900 Pickton? Was Richard Romano who became a 456 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:20,800 Provincial Court judge in 2005? He was called as a witness to 457 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,700 testify about his role in the crown decision to stay the 458 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:29,800 charges against Picton on January 26. 1998 a week before 459 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,700 pickton's five-day trial was to begin Brown and poor Coquitlam 460 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,900 and 1997, who approved charges against Picton after After 461 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:44,300 reading the RCMP report to Crown counsel he recalled police 462 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,500 recommended charges of attempted murder and assault with a 463 00:30:47,508 --> 00:30:50,500 weapon. An unlawful confinement for 464 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,500 pickton's knife attack on a sex worker from the Vancouver's 465 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:59,900 downtown Eastside Romano were called, he added an additional 466 00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:03,900 charge, aggravated assault and red flag the file. 467 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:08,600 He said he red-flagged the file. The file had a red cover it. 468 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,800 Tells the assign trial crown that the case needed Advanced 469 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,300 preparation Romano said the job of an administrative Crown is to 470 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:21,400 handle about 2,000 charges approvals a year and to assign a 471 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,900 prosecutor to the cases about three to four months before 472 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,400 trial. He said he assigned, the Pickton 473 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,600 case to prosecutor Randi Connor because she was very confident 474 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,500 and aggressive. Senior Crown, he assigned 475 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:41,000 Connor, he felt that the Email, complaintant would feel more 476 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,300 comfortable with the female Crown? 477 00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:47,300 I was very confident in her decision making and judgment or 478 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,500 a man who said, of the prosecutor, I would assign it to 479 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,000 her again. He added, but Romano said, he 480 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000 had no independent recollection of his meeting with Connor on 481 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,400 January, 26 1998, when Connor decide to stay the charges 482 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:08,000 against Picton Connor. Testified that she decided to 483 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,300 stay the Just because of victim who is being called Miss 484 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:15,300 Anderson to protect her privacy attended a meaning a week before 485 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,300 the trial and she was high on drugs. 486 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Connor require recalled Anderson nodding off and could not 487 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,700 articulate the evidence. So she stayed the charges 488 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,400 against Picton. After his arrest in 1997, picked 489 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,600 and killed 19 women before he was arrested in. 2002 Romano 490 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,600 said, he knew Anderson was a sex worker, but didn't know. 491 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,400 Oh, she was a drug addict of though. 492 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400 He felt there was a strong possibility. 493 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,300 She was an addict. I anticipated there was going to 494 00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,900 be some problems with the complaintant, Romantic told the 495 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:55,500 commissioner inquiry Wally opal. That's why he red flagged. 496 00:32:55,500 --> 00:33:01,500 The case he said the enquiry is probing, why Picton wasn't 497 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,400 caught sooner. The charge of State against 498 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,100 Picton. Stemmed from a 1997 knife attack 499 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:13,000 on Miss Anderson, who picked up by pectin in Vancouver and was 500 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,100 taken to his poor Coquitlam Farm. 501 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,400 When he tried to handcuff her on her wrist. 502 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,400 She feared for her life, she grabbed a kitchen knife and 503 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,800 slashed, his neck picked, and got the knife, and repeatedly 504 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,100 stabbed the woman once picked and loosen his grip on her. 505 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,000 She ran to the street flag down a passing car. 506 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:36,500 She died twice and hospital but was revived both, she and Picton 507 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:39,700 were treated at the same Hospital Eagle Ridge and 508 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,900 Coquitlam where a nurse used, the key found in pickton's 509 00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,100 Pocket to remove the The handcuffs on the woman's wrist. 510 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,500 The attempted murder charges against Pickton was stayed on 511 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:57,000 January 27th 1998, the clothes and rubber boots. 512 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:02,700 Picton had been wearing that evening was seized by police and 513 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:07,100 left an RCMP storage locker for more than seven years. 514 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:14,600 Not until 2004, did it lab testing show DNA of two missing, 515 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,300 women were on items seized from Pickton and 1997. 516 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,100 Kara, Ellis, DNA was found on pickton's jacket andreea bore 517 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,000 Heaven. DNA on his boots clothing, that 518 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,400 was seized after the 1997 knife attack but it was forgotten in a 519 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,000 police storage for seven years. The testimony of Sandy Cameron a 520 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400 civilian clerk with The Vancouver Police Department. 521 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:53,100 The enquiry had also heard testimony but Cameron when she 522 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:57,100 worked at the VPD, missing persons unit being rude and 523 00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,400 making offensive comments to family members of pickton's 524 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,300 victims when they try to report their loved ones missing. 525 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,500 The enquiry heard about how camera would make judgmental 526 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,800 comments to families about allowing their daughters of 527 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,300 become drug addicts and work. The streets as prostitutes, 528 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,900 there was also a panel of major crime witnesses to discuss the 529 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,400 failures. That VPD that a serial killer 530 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,900 was responsible for dozens of women who were reported missing 531 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:31,000 police said at the time without anybody's or crime scene, there 532 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,100 was no evidence of a serial killer despite credible tips. 533 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:40,400 The Vancouver Police about Picton starting in 1998. 534 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,000 The crown file about the vicious knife attack in 1997 was 535 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,700 accidentally destroyed acting Regional Crown. 536 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,700 Andrew MacDonald testified, at the missing woman's inquiry 537 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,500 McDonald said that the pickton's criminal file was ordered 538 00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:05,300 destroyed on August 31st 2001 and it was Hmong 50 boxes. 539 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,100 Is of crown files that were mistakenly destroyed by a mobile 540 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:13,600 shredding truck service that how is on contract to dispose of 541 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,300 files? Prosecutor Randi Connor who 542 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,600 handled the case, explain? Why the charges against Picton 543 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,200 were dropped on? January 26 1998? 544 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,300 She decided to enter a stay of proceedings against Picton 545 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,600 because Anderson was too high on heroin, to be coherent days 546 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,800 before the trial was a start. She was in terrible condition, I 547 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,700 couldn't put her on the witness stand. 548 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:40,200 Connor said, what I was presented with was a person in 549 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,900 very bad shape, she cared about the victim feeling, she was very 550 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,800 vulnerable, but felt Anderson's drug, addiction undermined 551 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,800 charges approve feeling, she was very vulnerable, but Anderson's 552 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,900 drug addiction. Undermine charge approval 553 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,700 standard the substantial likelihood of conviction. 554 00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:06,100 She said she entered a stay of proceeding to leave. door open 555 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,100 if the woman cleaned up her drug use and was in better shape to 556 00:37:09,107 --> 00:37:14,300 testify Late in 1998, task force. 557 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,200 Detectives got their best lead yet. 558 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,100 From a 38 year. Old Bill, Hitchcock widowed two 559 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,700 years earlier his cock turned to drugs and alcohol. 560 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,900 After his wife died. Rescued from the downhill Slide 561 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,300 by, then his foster sister, who found him a job at p and be 562 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:36,400 salvaged and Surrey owners were Robert Willie Pickton and his 563 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800 brother. Dave Picton, his cock picked up 564 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,500 his paycheck at the Brothers Port Coquitlam? 565 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:46,000 Pig farm described by his cock as a very creepy. 566 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Looking Place patrolled by a vicious 600-pound bore never 567 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,000 seen a pig like that. It would chase you and bite you. 568 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,600 He told police it was running out with dogs on the property. 569 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,500 His stock has grown concerned about picked in after reading 570 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,700 newspaper reports on Vancouver's, missing women, 571 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600 Robert Pickton was a pretty quiet guy. 572 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,900 Hard to strike up a conversation with. 573 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,800 I don't think he had much use for me. 574 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,500 Men picked and drove a converted bus with deeply tinted windows 575 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,900 Hicks. Cock told authorities it was 576 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,300 Willie's pride, and joy. He said he wouldn't part with it 577 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,600 for anything. Willie used it a lot. 578 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,800 The brothers also ran a supposed charity, the piggy Palace, good 579 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,600 time, Society registered with the Canadian government in 1996 580 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,900 as a non-profit society and tended to organize coordinate, 581 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,800 manage operate, special events functions dances shows. 582 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,600 Exhibition on behalf of service organization Sports 583 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,700 organizations and other worthy group, according to his cock, 584 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,300 the special events convened at piggy. 585 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:55,800 Palaces was a converted building at the hog farm were drunken 586 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000 Raves that featured entertainment by an 587 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,000 ever-changing cast of the downtown Eastside straight, sex 588 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,300 workers. The stabbing had crystallized 589 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,300 Bill hiscox suspicions about Robert Pickton. 590 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,700 Aside from the assault, his cock told police that there are all 591 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,900 the girls that are going missing all the purses and ID that were 592 00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,600 out on his trailer and stuff. He frequents a downtown area all 593 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,100 the time for girls. So to be continued, we're going 594 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:35,600 to start working our way up to the events of 1998 and get more 595 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,500 into the actual investigation Witnesses people who have 596 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,300 contacted the police. And I'm also going to get into 597 00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:46,700 the friends effect and so as you well know and many people have 598 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,700 suspected he could not have done all this by himself. 599 00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:51,800 So we're going to look at all the different possibility. 600 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,200 His friends, his enablers his cohorts and will continue. 601 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,300 You on with that. So I appreciate you listening 602 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:02,500 very much and the first podcast of the series that I released 603 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:07,600 yesterday is doing amazing, most downloads in 24 hours and any 604 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,100 other podcast that I've had. So I appreciate the interest. 605 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,800 Thank you so much and I'm going to leave on some positivity and 606 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400 we'll talk next time. 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