1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,680 Welcome to Vancouver True Crime. I have the very distinct honor 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,480 and pleasure to be interviewing, and I'm sorry to interview under 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,840 these circumstances, Amber, but we're going to be talking about 4 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,400 Tatiana Docotero. It's a real tragic case if 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,840 you've been following me for a little while. 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,680 I've been doing a lot of work on narcissistic abuse, domestic 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,640 violence and some of the previous guests that I talked 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,660 with is we talk a lot about the worst case scenario and what's 9 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:30,740 the worst case scenario? She passed away at the hands of 10 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:34,540 her partner in this horrible case of domestic violence that 11 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:37,900 went down in Sydney, Australia. Thank you for having me. 12 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:42,060 This is a terrible time. Obviously it's very hard for me 13 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:44,700 to do. I've never done anything like 14 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:46,940 this, never want to do it ever again in my life. 15 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:51,660 But I'm doing it because domestic violence needs to end 16 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:55,050 the cycles of abuse. Not right. 17 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:57,970 More can be done that isn't done. 18 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:03,330 Tanya is and was the most beautiful, loving, carefree, 19 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:09,370 kind, considerate, human anywhere she went. 20 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:13,610 Everyone fell in love with her. She made friends near and far, 21 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:17,170 you know. I've even been in touch with the 22 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:22,730 most recent tattoo shop that she went to in Thailand and had. 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,280 These most random pieces of art done on her and that in itself 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,280 shows she was at a point of not even knowing who she was 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,160 struggling trying to reach out one of them quotes on her 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,000 collarbone. Love yourself and she had 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,080 stopped loving herself. I'm not sure exactly when, but 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,960 100% last June when her and I when she came to Vancouver and. 29 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,120 And you know, she stayed for almost two months with her 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,560 parents on the Island. She came over to Vancouver and 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,280 we went to Kelowna together. And she wasn't somebody that I 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,160 knew, that sat directly in front of me. 33 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Of course I knew her. I loved her. 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,720 I wanted to get her help. I didn't really know how to. 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,520 I come from a very abusive past and. 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,360 I It brought up a lot of things that I never wanted to. 37 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:27,140 Feel so I I struggled a bit with really you know understanding 38 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:30,220 how at her age she could be going through this. 39 00:02:30,220 --> 00:02:33,020 Like I thought it was, you know, I was 17 when I was in that 40 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:40,100 situation and I I just she's so strong, I I wasn't understanding 41 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:43,810 how this person could be doing this to her for the audience, 42 00:02:43,810 --> 00:02:46,650 just give a time stamp when the last time you saw her, when you 43 00:02:46,650 --> 00:02:49,770 said you said she came to Vancouver and her whole demeanor 44 00:02:49,890 --> 00:02:53,250 seemed to have changed. June. 9th to be exact. 45 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:58,010 June 9th, what would June 9th? The last summer 2022? 46 00:02:58,010 --> 00:03:03,050 OK, the impact of trauma and abuse can have a very profound 47 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:06,930 effect on someone may ask when was the last time you saw her 48 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:10,850 previous to that time? 2017 we went to Thailand. 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Wow. So it's been a little bit of 50 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,560 time then? And then before that was 2016, 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,360 she was here for New Year's Okay. 52 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,400 But you guys always stayed in touch like social media, 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 messaging, phone, FaceTime and that kind of stuff. 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,680 For the audience sake, we'll start kind of at the beginning 55 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,680 and unfortunately go through this tragic story. 56 00:03:33,250 --> 00:03:37,210 But this is a good entry point because it's like you're very 57 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:39,290 close to this person. Then when you see in the first 58 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:41,650 time, you're kind of have that whoa, that kind of knee jerk 59 00:03:41,650 --> 00:03:44,410 reaction. Did she disclose like what was 60 00:03:44,410 --> 00:03:46,730 going on or which? Yeah, she did. 61 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:49,410 And she had been sending me previous messages. 62 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:51,570 But again, she was there. I was here. 63 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:56,050 You don't quite know exactly how her everyday life is. 64 00:03:56,050 --> 00:03:57,410 I'm not living inside of her house. 65 00:03:57,410 --> 00:04:00,980 I don't have a camera in there. I don't go on the little bits 66 00:04:00,980 --> 00:04:03,500 that she would share. And you know, anyone coming from 67 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:07,340 a domestic abuse relationship, you become someone that blames 68 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:11,300 yourself. You always make it like it's not 69 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:14,620 that bad. I, the my neighbors called the 70 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:16,420 police one time and he was arrested. 71 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:19,339 My ex and I went to court and said, Oh my God, he would never 72 00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:21,380 hit me. I hit him and I cheated on him 73 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:24,870 and I did all these things and. I look back thinking, wow, like, 74 00:04:25,190 --> 00:04:26,910 you know, that could have cost my life. 75 00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:29,550 Like, what was that? Yeah, this is important for the 76 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:31,390 audience. And again, I stressed this and 77 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:34,790 when my wife passed away that her last year of her life was 78 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:39,190 very dramatic, She had a stroke and it changed her behavior 79 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:41,670 dramatically. However, she didn't tell anyone 80 00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:42,990 she had a stroke. She kept it secret. 81 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:46,750 So her behavior was like off the charts and you have no idea 82 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:49,110 what's going on. And just like what you said, I 83 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:52,230 was trying to please her running circles cuz I think, oh, if I 84 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:55,590 just do this one thing, we'll go back to where it was for the 85 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:59,070 audience who's fortunate enough to never been in an abusive 86 00:04:59,070 --> 00:05:02,390 emotional abuse, physical abuse of situation. 87 00:05:02,980 --> 00:05:05,820 You can't judge the ones that are in that situation. 88 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:09,100 It's easy from the sidelines, have very black and white 89 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:12,420 thinking. Trauma has a very deep impact on 90 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:14,620 people and especially in relationships, right? 91 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:18,740 Because most relationships, they start good, They start right. 92 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:22,380 It seemed to be over pictures and her messages. 93 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:24,260 In the beginning it was right. He was younger. 94 00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:27,900 They had a lot of fun. That's just who she was. 95 00:05:27,940 --> 00:05:30,140 Things changed once they had their baby. 96 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:33,630 Sometimes when you're with like a narcissistic partner, I feel 97 00:05:33,630 --> 00:05:36,070 jaded that they're not getting the same amount of the attention 98 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:38,830 before I hear that. Oh, and and I totally believe 99 00:05:38,830 --> 00:05:41,550 that with her I was on the opposite spectrum where I 100 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:44,950 suffered very badly. I have a 3 1/2 year old and I 101 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:47,270 went through postpartum for the last three years. 102 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:50,790 It was it was horrible and I finally reached out for help 103 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:53,190 just recently. And good for you. 104 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:55,850 People look at you like, oh, what's wrong with her? 105 00:05:55,850 --> 00:05:57,130 And like, how can you not be happy? 106 00:05:57,130 --> 00:05:59,210 You have this beautiful child and you're so lucky. 107 00:05:59,210 --> 00:06:01,730 It's a chemical imbalance. It's it's not our fault. 108 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:06,570 And too many women suffer alone, and they're embarrassed and 109 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:09,410 they're afraid. And it's with any type of, you 110 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,930 know, chemical imbalance or abuse or anything, there's so 111 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:14,290 many different avenues that lead to. 112 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:18,050 The end result? And it's it's unfortunate if 113 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:20,370 you're not going through it you don't relate to and understand. 114 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:21,930 It's easy to judge, right? It's easy. 115 00:06:21,930 --> 00:06:23,330 Oh well, you should just be grateful. 116 00:06:23,530 --> 00:06:26,330 Some people have amazing pregnancies and amazing after 117 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:27,810 they have their children, they're perfectly fine. 118 00:06:27,810 --> 00:06:30,370 They bounce back and they've gained £5 throughout their 119 00:06:30,370 --> 00:06:32,090 pregnancy. And then there's other they get 120 00:06:32,090 --> 00:06:34,090 100 and they struggle to lose it. 121 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:35,810 They don't feel beautiful anymore. 122 00:06:35,810 --> 00:06:36,970 And it's. Yeah. 123 00:06:36,970 --> 00:06:39,850 And then if you have a shitty partner on top of, it compounds, 124 00:06:39,850 --> 00:06:41,570 right? It has more of a compounding 125 00:06:41,570 --> 00:06:43,490 effect. Let's start at the beginning. 126 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:46,850 We've been talking a little bit when you reached out to me phone 127 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:49,770 conversation before, but we've been going back and forth and 128 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:53,730 stuff, so you've kind of given the chronological timeline of 129 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:55,690 the events for the audience sake. 130 00:06:55,690 --> 00:06:59,450 When you first met her, it was in Surrey in the early 2000s. 131 00:06:59,450 --> 00:07:02,430 The Infinity Towers. Everyone knew about that town, 132 00:07:02,430 --> 00:07:04,310 you know? It was the biggest, best place. 133 00:07:04,310 --> 00:07:05,670 Everyone wanted to live in Surrey. 134 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:10,350 I actually met her in the lobby and we instantly hit it off. 135 00:07:11,310 --> 00:07:14,950 Back then we were both very different human beings. 136 00:07:16,030 --> 00:07:21,870 She was this young, blonde, chunky little Tanya, and I was 137 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:28,540 this longhaired, very quiet. Person and she completely took 138 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:31,420 me out of my shell that I had been living in for so long. 139 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:35,340 I chopped my hair off because she had these beautiful 140 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:39,060 extensions and I wanted extensions and I just, she got 141 00:07:39,060 --> 00:07:41,620 me my first Ed Hardy, had my first Ed Hardy gym bag. 142 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:44,060 We the 1st gym I ever went to was in that building. 143 00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:47,460 She took me to the gym and we just started doing all these 144 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:50,500 things, traveling, going to the States together and you know, 145 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:54,870 just being silly. Young teenagers, you guys are 146 00:07:55,470 --> 00:07:57,430 hit it off. You had a close relationship 147 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:58,790 like a sister from another month. 148 00:07:58,830 --> 00:08:00,830 Well, what time again, let's say early teeth out. 149 00:08:00,950 --> 00:08:02,950 That's right. Generally, what was her demeanor 150 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:04,630 like? And maybe even just touch on the 151 00:08:04,630 --> 00:08:07,790 type of relationship she's had because one of the questions I 152 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:11,710 asked you was did she have a pattern of abusive relationship? 153 00:08:11,710 --> 00:08:16,270 No, she did not. I think it's because no one 154 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:20,350 could ever break that wall of her happiness and her silly self 155 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:22,770 and. You know, she didn't allow 156 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:25,690 anyone any toxicity in her life at all. 157 00:08:26,050 --> 00:08:28,530 She was silly. She would wrap toilet paper 158 00:08:28,530 --> 00:08:30,610 around each other. We would jump in fountains, we 159 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:33,289 would flood the fountains in Surrey with bubble. 160 00:08:33,289 --> 00:08:37,169 We just, you know, there was nothing that was harmful about 161 00:08:37,169 --> 00:08:40,850 her or and she would never let that negativity around her. 162 00:08:40,890 --> 00:08:43,610 She then went on want bigger and better, wanted to start 163 00:08:43,610 --> 00:08:47,960 traveling and move to Vancouver. To a condo. 164 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,080 I guess that wasn't enough anymore. 165 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,360 And then she decided to travel overseas and she ended up in 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Australia ultimately. When did she first go to 167 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Australia, if you can? I wanna say it was I bought my 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,360 first place in 2012, so 2011. Maybe. 169 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,200 She wasn't here when I bought my place, so so let's say 2011. 170 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 And she had her here. You were saying she had another 171 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,200 relationship? There, yes. 172 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:19,810 Not right away, but she eventually met somebody and she 173 00:09:19,810 --> 00:09:23,050 got married and he was a lovely, still is a lovely man. 174 00:09:23,490 --> 00:09:29,650 They ultimately they came here for New Year's 2016 and he went 175 00:09:29,730 --> 00:09:33,090 home 1st. And when she had some time 176 00:09:33,090 --> 00:09:37,330 alone, I think she had realized or thought that he was a little 177 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:40,610 bit older and he was ready to have kids and she wasn't. 178 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,360 And you know, the most beautiful wedding and the happiest post. 179 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,200 And she had never disclosed to me any type of abuse or things 180 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,080 like that. Again, I don't know if she was 181 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,680 hiding it. We're in close contact with him 182 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,760 throughout the situation and he's been very helpful. 183 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,720 He does have a family and stuff of his own now, and two weeks 184 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,400 prior to her passing she had actually Facetimed him and 185 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,790 showed him. You know a previous right around 186 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:16,390 her birthday, May 5th, what he had done to her. 187 00:10:17,790 --> 00:10:22,070 Well, she meets the new guy. Maybe just talk a little about 188 00:10:22,070 --> 00:10:24,750 the circumstances, like from what you know what was a good 189 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:26,750 thing? What attracted her to the the 190 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:32,670 man that she married the 2nd? He was younger than her, so her 191 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:36,110 being full of life, he was full of life. 192 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:38,990 And you know she loves festivals. 193 00:10:38,990 --> 00:10:42,740 She goes to a lot of like. Medium concerts and stuff like 194 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:44,540 that. Just a really, really like a 195 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:48,260 free spirited soul. He would attend those with her 196 00:10:48,260 --> 00:10:51,180 and I think she felt like this was great. 197 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:53,980 They could travel and you know, he would always be able to keep 198 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:58,380 up to her because he was younger and she was a high energy girl 199 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:00,260 and and she wanted someone like that. 200 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,140 She wasn't ready. Just kind of have this as a 201 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:04,900 quiet married life. Yeah, and she was a gym freak. 202 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:08,950 This guy's a gym freak. You know, she was going to do 203 00:11:08,950 --> 00:11:11,470 competitions and she wasn't amazing. 204 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:14,030 I keep forgetting to tell everyone this, but the most 205 00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:19,670 amazing cook, you would think that she literally was a 5 star 206 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:23,510 chef or whatever you call them. Yeah, she was insane. 207 00:11:23,510 --> 00:11:26,830 And she would cook him the craziest dinners and she would 208 00:11:26,830 --> 00:11:28,910 send me pictures and I'm like, Oh my gosh, Tanya. 209 00:11:28,910 --> 00:11:31,350 Like that literally looks like it came out of a magazine like, 210 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:35,640 babe, that's amazing, you know? And he loved pleasing him that 211 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,280 way. And you know, I guess he was 212 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,920 younger and probably had never had that. 213 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,920 And in the beginning he he didn't really take advantage of 214 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,240 it, but in the end he he for sure did. 215 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,720 And he made it like it was her job, You know, like, bitch, make 216 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,800 me my food. It was sick. 217 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Wow. So when was the first like 218 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,240 indications that this relationship was not a good 219 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,800 relationship? He had messaged me just saying 220 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,430 hey, babe. I had probably messaged on a 221 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:08,190 picture and I was like, oh, you look so amazing, so proud of 222 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:10,350 you, so happy for you. And she was like, hey, you know, 223 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:13,910 it's actually just a photo. I'm falling apart. 224 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:19,470 You know, my partner's so mean to me, You know, he's constantly 225 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:22,350 bashing me in the, like, verbally saying, you know, 226 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:25,310 you're fat, you're ugly and you're never going to be 227 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:28,070 anything. And I think, you know, she had 228 00:12:28,070 --> 00:12:31,110 told me that. He said she ruined his life by 229 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:35,830 having the baby. She got pretty quick after they 230 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:42,150 met. And so, you know, being a new 231 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:46,110 mom, she thought it would end and she would get over it and he 232 00:12:46,110 --> 00:12:48,150 would get over it. And you know, it was just like 233 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:51,950 emotions were high, but I don't think it stopped it. 234 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:56,830 It definitely got worse. And I think at the point of when 235 00:12:56,830 --> 00:13:01,750 we lost her, she was scared to tell a lot of people the truth. 236 00:13:02,330 --> 00:13:06,010 Because she knew that everyone had finally, it had come to 237 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:09,210 light what was going on, and she was scared that they would go to 238 00:13:09,210 --> 00:13:11,850 the police and that he would be taken away from his son. 239 00:13:11,850 --> 00:13:14,130 When you're in a narcissistic relationship, when you're in 240 00:13:14,130 --> 00:13:17,170 abusive relationships, when you are trapped, you're alone in 241 00:13:17,170 --> 00:13:19,370 another country, your mom's going through health issues. 242 00:13:19,370 --> 00:13:22,530 You don't want to stress anyone else, take everything on and you 243 00:13:22,530 --> 00:13:25,890 just bury it. And and and that's that's that's 244 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:28,870 what happened from what I well, totally And from what you're 245 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:30,430 saying. You know she seemed like a very 246 00:13:30,430 --> 00:13:32,310 proud woman. She very beautiful. 247 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:36,790 Really joyful happy go lucky. That would be very kind of 248 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:39,070 shameful to have to tell people now. 249 00:13:39,070 --> 00:13:41,030 Now things are the opposite right. 250 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:43,870 With trauma you can't underestimate what it does to 251 00:13:43,870 --> 00:13:48,150 your trauma bonding. It has a profound effect. 252 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:51,270 That's why it works in cults. They first they love the hell 253 00:13:51,270 --> 00:13:55,080 out of you and then threaten you and it literally does break a 254 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,800 person down. And these types of 255 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,920 relationships, the glue is the children. 256 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,800 Obviously, she loves her, loved her son. 257 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,800 For sure, because like I said, she didn't allow this type of 258 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,360 stuff in her life. And I know the abuse didn't 259 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,360 start until after she had her son. 260 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:15,040 But she couldn't understand why She just like she was so in love 261 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,360 with her kid and it made her whole, entire world complete. 262 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,200 And she didn't get why it didn't make his complete. 263 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:24,650 But, you know, teach their own, We can't speak on somebody 264 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:26,970 else's behalf. I know that I didn't even have a 265 00:14:26,970 --> 00:14:30,890 child and I was with that man for seven years, being beat 266 00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:34,970 until the very last time when the police got involved and they 267 00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:38,530 actually removed all my belongings out of his house, put 268 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:43,850 a restraining order on me, and I was to go to jail next, if you 269 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:46,890 know, this had continued and it it was finally what? 270 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:51,010 Tourists away from each other and I'm thankful today, but back 271 00:14:51,010 --> 00:14:53,810 then I hated every second of it. I, you know, I would message him 272 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:56,570 from different phones and I would try and get him to come 273 00:14:56,570 --> 00:14:59,130 meet up with me. And I was just so sick and so in 274 00:14:59,130 --> 00:15:02,570 love what I thought I was. Yeah, it's trauma, but. 275 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:04,650 Yeah, exactly. A lot of people have their 276 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:08,570 opinions on this stuff and and and that's fine, right? 277 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:11,130 Everyone, It affects differently. 278 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:14,050 I just know that. I can't say I know what she was 279 00:15:14,050 --> 00:15:16,980 going through. Because again, my situation was 280 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:21,660 different and it will always be different and it just as she had 281 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:24,060 a child, I have a child now who's 3 1/2. 282 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:27,340 And if his father did the stuff to me, it would probably still 283 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:30,820 take me a long time to leave because I'm used to that abuse 284 00:15:30,820 --> 00:15:32,700 in my past. You always just want to give 285 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:34,900 that person the benefit of the doubt, and they're going to 286 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:36,620 change. And they're sorry of myself. 287 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:39,060 I found myself, you know, in situations where I can 288 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:41,980 rationalize the last year of my wife for the decline of her 289 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:44,580 mental health, I would make excuses for her. 290 00:15:44,660 --> 00:15:47,740 Now looking back, it's like, wow, for the audience that you 291 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:51,060 cannot underestimate what trauma does to you. 292 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:53,860 And and when you're attached to someone, you're loved and you're 293 00:15:53,860 --> 00:15:57,180 intimate with them and you share your life with them and you have 294 00:15:57,180 --> 00:16:00,660 good experiences, bad experiences, it has a profound 295 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:02,300 effect on you. It really does. 296 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:05,740 And and sometimes it's hard to cut those ties because you don't 297 00:16:05,740 --> 00:16:08,620 know anything different. Yeah, isolated a different 298 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:11,100 country and. Your son holding an Australian 299 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,060 passport and you having a Canadian one, it's just, it's 300 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:17,380 for no one to judge. And you know, if we had more 301 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:19,620 support and people that understood, I think we would be 302 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:22,940 a lot further in the domestic violence factor of life. 303 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:24,740 And the most important thing. Yeah. 304 00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:28,980 And the most important thing, I mean for myself was education, 305 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:32,700 understanding when I started researching this and even before 306 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,260 I started the platform. But again with one of my other 307 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:39,380 my guest hosts that I do shows with this Narcisse survivor and 308 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:40,940 that was the first thing she said. 309 00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:43,780 She first thing she Googled was am I crazy? 310 00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:48,980 Let's get into the horrible day of the event if you can share 311 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:51,140 kind of what the leading up to it. 312 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:54,420 And I know that the police in Australia are under scrutiny 313 00:16:54,420 --> 00:16:56,860 because she made it for the people, because I had comments. 314 00:16:56,860 --> 00:17:02,710 Why would she call 00, not 911? So for the audience 000 in 315 00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:04,510 Australia's equivalent to our 911. 316 00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:08,109 So and where she lived at the time it was 000 for emergency 317 00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:09,829 call. She made a 00 call. 318 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:14,109 And then what happened? So from what I know, she made 319 00:17:14,109 --> 00:17:19,069 that call at around 11:42 PM on a Friday night, so that would 320 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:23,150 have been the 26th of May. Yes, she was frantically 321 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:27,550 screaming. My ex partner is bashing me and 322 00:17:27,550 --> 00:17:31,490 he's trying to steal all my money, so were they already as 323 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:33,490 strained at this point because he said the X? 324 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:35,850 Part, yes. So this is the thing. 325 00:17:35,850 --> 00:17:41,690 Tanya actually, last year, last June 2022, had gained the 326 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:44,290 strength while visiting her friends and family here in 327 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:48,130 Vancouver, her belongings while he was out one day and move out, 328 00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:50,370 she had gone to her own apartment. 329 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:52,810 This was her home, this was her safe place. 330 00:17:53,770 --> 00:17:57,050 And that's another thing. You know, he should have never 331 00:17:57,290 --> 00:18:00,680 been able to get in there. Oh, wow. 332 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,840 See that she has a whole different light on things. 333 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Yeah, no, he was. That's why they're stalking 334 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,800 charges and stuff. She had put an AVO, which in our 335 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,520 terms is a restraining order, last year when she was in 336 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,880 Vancouver, he had received it and that's when I was reading 337 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,880 messages in her phone saying you dumb bitch, I'm going to effing 338 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 kill you. You're ruining my life. 339 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,600 You put an AVO on me? And so she was just, she was 340 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,200 sick. She was crying. 341 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Oh, my God, why does he hate me so much? 342 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,200 He needs to stop. You know, I'll never take his 343 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,480 son from him. And I said, it's OK, Tanya. 344 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,800 Things are going to get better. And that's when she went home 345 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 and she left. And we were shocked, like, I I 346 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,200 didn't because truly, I I wouldn't have been able to do 347 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,880 it. You know, kids change things. 348 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,760 I'm stuck. I still have tons of trauma that 349 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,400 I I live with every day. And I I think, like, you know, 350 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,480 it takes, it takes a superwoman to do that. 351 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,100 And she did it. Wow. 352 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,780 With her own place. With her son. 353 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:57,020 OK, well, that's important. That's great. 354 00:18:57,020 --> 00:18:58,060 You know, full. Custody with him. 355 00:18:58,420 --> 00:19:00,940 Her son actually had. She had always taken care of 356 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:02,420 him. She who was never in daycare or 357 00:19:02,420 --> 00:19:04,820 anything like that. It was her seven days a week, 358 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:06,980 24/7. Wow. 359 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:10,140 OK, let's break down the call because there's confusion that 360 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:13,020 the police could not find the the yes, so. 361 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:14,980 She made the call. The call went dead. 362 00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:19,780 I don't know yet if they they tried to call back the number. 363 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:22,680 I'm not sure but. I do know she stated the 364 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:30,160 address, not her unit. They arrived 3 hours and 15 365 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,440 minutes later roughly and listed it as a Level 3 priority, which 366 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,800 is very low. I think that's another, you 367 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,520 know, the police are under investigation for that as to why 368 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,680 a woman would be calling saying she's getting beat and they 369 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:52,080 would put it as a Level 3. They arrived at the apartment, 370 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,720 she called it just before midnight. 371 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,320 They arrived there just after 3:00 AM and so that would have 372 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,920 been the Saturday, no? From what I'm understanding, a 373 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,800 10 minute walk around the exterior ground level of the 374 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,000 building, not being able to get into the foyer. 375 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,360 They then left. The next day, a neighbor at 376 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:20,280 around 2 heard. Her son streaming for dear life. 377 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,160 Oh my God. Oh my God. 378 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,000 That neighbor then still hadn't called to check, I guess. 379 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,880 I don't know if it was the same neighbor or another neighbor, 380 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,920 but a neighbor called around 7:00 PM. 381 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,160 I'm not sure if it was the same one had called the police. 382 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,200 Just saying, hey, I want to do a Wellness check. 383 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,620 You know, there's a single mom that lives on my floor, and 384 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:48,260 there was some screaming last night, and that's when he had 385 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:52,780 given the unit number and they had arrived at around 8:15 PM on 386 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:57,860 the 27th, a Saturday to find her son, her ex partner and 387 00:20:57,860 --> 00:21:00,300 unfortunately, her deceased body. 388 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,540 Oh my. God, wow, that that is 389 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:05,460 absolutely awful. Wow. 390 00:21:05,860 --> 00:21:10,220 So there was a report I read and one of the articles he sent me 391 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:13,580 where the parents got a call from her. 392 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:16,970 That she was undergoing abuse and they were really upset to 393 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:20,570 get that call day before or leading up to it, No. 394 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:23,770 So leading up to it, I mean while she was here she had you 395 00:21:23,770 --> 00:21:25,850 know disclosed some of this information. 396 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:30,770 Again, I don't think anyone. I I still haven't sent her 397 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:34,650 mother the the text messages I have between her and I I've sent 398 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:38,290 them to the detectives because no mother should endure this 399 00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:42,170 pain, let alone see what her daughter was feeling. 400 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,960 So I don't know, you know, her mom does know quite a bit and 401 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,760 she's told me Tanya probably downplayed it a lot to her mom 402 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,280 because she didn't want her to worry right here in Vancouver. 403 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,320 Well on the island, she's in Australia. 404 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,720 No, no parent. She's an only child. 405 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,120 No one wants to put that their mother through that. 406 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,270 So her mom had gotten quite a few messages from her. 407 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:11,750 I meant, yeah. She has that proof as well in 408 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:15,710 some videos. And the last time, however, 409 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:21,030 Tanya, there's there's some text messages I have of her stating 410 00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:24,990 my mom's been calling me for a week and I can that. 411 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:28,870 That's probably. OK, so that's my face is so bad. 412 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:31,950 Oh. My God, she had. 413 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:47,010 She had told her mom that she had fallen in her apartment and 414 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:51,290 had broken her ribs. Right. 415 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:56,010 She had told some other friends that she was in a car accident. 416 00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:58,450 Oh my God. And then she told another group 417 00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:03,130 of friends who I believe she thought we couldn't help her, We 418 00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:06,230 wouldn't go to the police because, you know, I live here 419 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:09,230 and stuff like that, that he had beaten her, right? 420 00:23:19,670 --> 00:23:13,390 She's scared, right? So there there's a bunch of 421 00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:14,950 different stuff. And again, someone in this 422 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:18,310 situation, she's, she's not thinking, She's scared. 423 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:22,990 Yeah, you're in. I can't judge her actions 424 00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:25,990 because, like, again, until you're in that situation, how 425 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:27,790 you're going to react in that situation? 426 00:23:27,790 --> 00:23:30,310 So the partner in question, his name is Danny. 427 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:32,870 His last name is Zayat, spelled Z. 428 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:37,260 A YAT. He's accused of violating his 429 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:40,140 restraining order in Australia. It's called an AVO and he's 430 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:43,380 charged with assault, stalking and causing damage to a 431 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,380 television. I can't believe that's a charge 432 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:47,020 in Australia. Damaging. 433 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:51,380 ATV does not charge for murder, yet there's no homicide charges. 434 00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:53,500 There's a homicide investigation. 435 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:58,020 They did release on his Friday court appearance that the judge 436 00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:02,670 believes the charges will be upgraded, that they are waiting 437 00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:07,030 for an autopsy report to determine a few more things. 438 00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:11,470 Again, I'm speculating here in Vancouver. 439 00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:14,550 I wasn't in the apartment. I've never seen any photos. 440 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:18,150 I've only spoken to her parents very closely. 441 00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:20,670 There's a lot of things that we can't speak about yet. 442 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:28,190 And from from what the the report first said is that there 443 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:32,410 was a lot of head trauma. His alibi is this, that he went 444 00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:37,610 there around 11:30 on the Friday night because he had heard Tanya 445 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:41,770 was on drugs. So her kid was there, his kid 446 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:45,730 and he wanted to make sure his child was okay. 447 00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:47,970 He shows up there, they get in a fight. 448 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:53,570 The part everyone's forgetting is she called 000 which is the 449 00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:56,690 911 for help saying he's bashing me. 450 00:24:57,930 --> 00:25:01,040 He's saying he broke the TV. Yes. 451 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,520 And he left. Wow. 452 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Wow. You know, there is CCTV footage 453 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,040 of him. So that's another, you know, 454 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,080 piece of evidence that will be used. 455 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,760 He left and the police won't disclose to us how many times he 456 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,400 left and went back into the building. 457 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,520 Do you know that he had followed somebody in that? 458 00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:28,900 Oh, okay, that's how he gained entry. 459 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,460 Like you know, yeah she he didn't have her keys or 460 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:34,700 something like that. Again, I that I'm sure is going 461 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,540 to be used as a huge piece of evidence. 462 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:42,580 And he stated that the Saturday, the following day, the 27th 463 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:46,220 after their fight at around 11:30 on the Friday night, he 464 00:25:46,220 --> 00:25:49,460 couldn't get a hold of her. It was her son's 4th birthday 465 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,620 unfortunately when this occurred. 466 00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:53,780 So. Poor child. 467 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:57,220 Yeah, he can claim that he went there to, you know, see his 468 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:59,140 child on his birthday. This, that. 469 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,020 The other. I don't care what excuses he 470 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:05,980 has. So I guess he went there to find 471 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,460 out what, Why she wasn't answering her phone. 472 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,780 But there's a restraining order. It doesn't matter why she's not 473 00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:12,140 answering her phone. You're not supposed to be 474 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:17,700 confident, of course. And he says he arrives and she's 475 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,820 deceased at the point and he starts CPR. 476 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,220 Well I can't confirm when he got back to the apartment on the 477 00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:30,500 Saturday the 27th. The police do know that I can't 478 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:35,660 confirm if he left with belongings as the news said her 479 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:43,780 cell phone and all her money is missing and he states that he 480 00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:45,940 gave her CPR and then the police arrived. 481 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:49,020 So, you know, did he get there at 6:00 PM and do CPR for two 482 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:51,780 hours? Did he get there at 8:30 PM and 483 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:55,020 the got there at 8:15 PM? Like we don't know. 484 00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:58,420 They do. And and hopefully, you know, 485 00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:01,740 that brings some justice with that information for sure. 486 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:04,380 Oh my God, how did you get the news? 487 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:08,620 So I was actually on a cruise for eight days. 488 00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:12,140 So the last time her and I spoke was May 20th. 489 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Over Instagram, she had posted a very sad post. 490 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,920 And I I wish I had screenshotted it, but I I can't quote what the 491 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,560 quote said. And I basically messaged her and 492 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,800 I said, babe, you're so strong. You're stronger than I've ever 493 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,640 been. You're an amazing mother. 494 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720 You're the best of friend. I love you. 495 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,360 I'm, I'm praying for you. You're doing great, you know? 496 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,760 And she opened it, and this wasn't like her. 497 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,360 She opened it and she never replied. 498 00:27:41,770 --> 00:27:45,970 She whether she liked it, whether she said I know babe or 499 00:27:45,970 --> 00:27:49,810 thanks or I'm trying or she would always say something, she 500 00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:54,730 didn't reply to me on the 20th. I left at very early in the 501 00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:59,170 morning on the 21st, which would have been the 22nd for her 502 00:27:59,170 --> 00:28:00,650 because they're a day ahead of us. 503 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:07,810 And I returned to Vancouver on the Sunday. 504 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:13,300 I believe it was the 27th. I'm not sure it was the 27th or 505 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:19,260 28th, but I returned on the Sunday and she I had gotten a 506 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:23,420 call saying that I that they had very bad information for me. 507 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:27,060 And I I said what? And I was told that Tanya had 508 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:30,700 passed away and that her ex had killed her. 509 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,420 And I said you're wrong. And then they sent me a 510 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,180 screenshot of somebody's Instagram post and I said, Oh my 511 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,020 God. So I immediately messaged her, 512 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:42,270 and of course the message never got opened. 513 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:49,910 Oh, no. So I'm sorry. 514 00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:57,030 I then reached out to her ex, her first husband, and he 515 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:03,350 confirmed it. He still lives in Australia and 516 00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:05,110 so then I reached out to her mom. 517 00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:12,010 And we This is what we've been dealing with since, right? 518 00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:15,130 I'm again my deepest condolences for the loss of your beautiful 519 00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:18,650 friend. Well and then maybe tell the 520 00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:20,970 audience what happened to all her social media. 521 00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:26,770 So the month of May, her 34th birthday was actually May 5th 522 00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:30,970 and her son's is May 27th. We go to Mayo. 523 00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:37,010 I had messaged her on her birthday on Instagram. 524 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:43,130 That morning she sent me a video of her chest and neck. 525 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,650 Very beaten up. And she said, babe, what he's 526 00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:49,410 done to me. And I wrote back and I said 527 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,570 please tell me my first words were please tell me that your 528 00:29:54,570 --> 00:29:58,610 son wasn't there. You're strong. 529 00:29:58,650 --> 00:30:00,290 You're beautiful. I love you. 530 00:30:00,290 --> 00:30:02,450 I don't know why this is happening to you. 531 00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:05,290 I said, you know it doesn't make sense. 532 00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:08,690 You're so amazing. And I quoted something like you 533 00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:12,650 know storms happen but they can't last forever and just keep 534 00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:14,210 going babe, because you got this. 535 00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:18,770 And then I sent her the her birthday message and she never 536 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:22,330 replied. On May 7th, I had this new 537 00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:24,730 Instagram account add me with her name. 538 00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:29,010 And I said hi babe, She says, hey, my social was deleted. 539 00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:34,170 And I said, oh, that's weird. And I will tell you that she'd 540 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:38,120 had that, that one Instagram for years and years and years and 541 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,400 years. So her whole life was on there. 542 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,560 Every picture of her and her son, every picture of her, all 543 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,600 her travels, thousands of friends, everyone's seen her. 544 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,600 She was so popular, you know, and she had multiple businesses. 545 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,360 So she shared a lot of her businesses on that page as well. 546 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,640 And so she had tons of followers. 547 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440 And I said, Oh no, why did they delete you? 548 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,120 And she said, I'm not sure that was the so with this first new 549 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,080 Instagram and then we we chatted a little bit and I said, did you 550 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,720 get my birthday message? And she said, no babe, my social 551 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,680 got deleted and I said, okay here, I'll go into it and I'll 552 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,960 screenshot it and I'll send it to you. 553 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,240 So that's what I did. And in that message was, hey, 554 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,920 did he do it in front of your son? 555 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,640 And she didn't reply to that. She just replied, aw, I love you 556 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,760 so much. Thanks. 557 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,280 Thank you my Angel. And we'd had it a little bit and 558 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,480 then a couple days had gone by and again this new P0V 0X0 559 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,120 account was adding me and I said what the heck is going on here. 560 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440 And so I messaged her and I said I'm not I don't feel comfortable 561 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,400 what is going on. They wouldn't keep. 562 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Just this is not random. Somebody is is doing this to you 563 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,120 that knows you and she says no babe, you know it, it's just 564 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,360 I've I've broken the laws on Instagram And here she sends me 565 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640 a screenshot of the deactivation from Instagram saying, hey, 566 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,760 we've deactivated your account for this reason and it basically 567 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,600 says I still have it. It says for not following the 568 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080 the rule community guidelines. Yes. 569 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,920 And so I I still said I I'm not buying it. 570 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,920 But it did say that the e-mail was from the day before and I 571 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,480 don't know what, maybe someone had been reporting it. 572 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,840 I don't know how Instagram works. 573 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,360 I'm not good with social media at all, do you think? 574 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,720 Someone was who was making these fake accounts. 575 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280 Do you think they weren't making fake accounts? 576 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360 She was really making the new accounts? 577 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640 Okay. Okay, someone was having her 578 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,120 accounts deleted. Okay, that's strange. 579 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800 And she truly, I don't know if she truly thought it was 580 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520 Instagram saying that she did something wrong. 581 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,840 And so she said to me, it's my IP address. 582 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:53,840 What? What? 583 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,760 So did this to back up for a SEC. 584 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,840 She said she had it when Instagram started, so she had it 585 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,520 for years, yes. And did she ever post anything 586 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,960 that would be over the top that would get her in trouble? 587 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,640 The community guidelines in your memory? 588 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,880 No, no. God no. 589 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,440 If you posted anything, it was crying out for help writing sad 590 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,000 messages, little quotes about how just like this can't go on 591 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800 forever and you just keep being strong and stuff like that. 592 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Never so generally. She's Instagram recorder life. 593 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Yes, what she was. Doing her trips, her family, her 594 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,880 friends, the places that she went to. 595 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 She wasn't posting like crazy content that would put her in 596 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,640 the crosshairs of Instagram and your memory. 597 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,720 OK, so that's strange. That's strange. 598 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,840 But her main account, though her main account that she had for 599 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,760 the longest time, is deleted, deleted and every picture of her 600 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,240 being abused is now black it.