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April 1945 As Allied forces 
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camps, the world gets its first 
glimpse of the horrors wrought 

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by Adolf Hitler's regime at 
Nuremberg. 

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The Allies prosecute leading 
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against humanity. 
Some of the most dangerous war 

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criminals are brought to 
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There's a myth about Nazis, and 
that is a set as these horrible 

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people committed these terrible 
crimes and then after 1945 

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simply disappeared. 
That simply isn't true. 

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The truth is, the thousands of 
former Nazis, some of whom 

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committed atrocities, went to 
work for the United States 

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government without the public's 
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Their crimes ranged from 
overseeing slave labor camps to 

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sending orphans to their deaths.
After the war, they were on the 

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US payroll, either as scientists
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agents in Europe. 
The US government was willing to

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use mass murderers, was willing 
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was willing to hide them their 
activities from the American 

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people. 
Government documents 

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declassified in the late 1990s 
indicate that many of the former

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Nazis spying for the US and 
Europe misrepresented and 

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fabricated intelligence. 
Some even worked as double 

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agents for the Soviet Union. 
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strategy, even with its flaws, 
was the only way to win the Cold

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War. 
It is a duplicitous double game.

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And you have to do that 
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'cause. 
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whomever could provide useful 
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whether they were war criminal 
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How far did the US government go
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of these recruits? 
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the American public know the 
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They can claim that they turned 
over everything, but we have to 

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trust the government. 
To believe that. 

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It was a scandal. 
It was one of the great scandals

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of modern American intelligence 
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Welcome. 
To the dark minded detective 

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where we unravel the mysteries 
that lay within the intricate 

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labyrinth of the human psyche. 
I'm your guide, Mark, and today 

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we embark on a journey into the 
shadows, exploring the igmatic 

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realms of mind control, free 
will, and the age-old debate of 

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nature versus nurture, and the 
pursuit of understanding, the 

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depth of the human mind we dwell
into the tales of covert. 

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Experiments like the infamous MK
Ultra where manipulation and 

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trauma based mind control cast a
chilling spell on unsuspecting 

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subjects. 
What can we glean from these 

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dark chapters of history? 
What warnings do they hold for 

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humanity? 
As we navigate through the 

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twists and turns of the mind, we
ponder the age-old question. 

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Are people shaped by the events 
that unfold around them, or is 

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there an innate essence guiding 
our destinies? 

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The battles between nature and 
nurture echoes through the 

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corridors of time, influencing 
who we are and who we become. 

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But, dear listeners, our 
exploration goes beyond the 

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surface. 
We. 

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Contemplate the concept of free 
will, dissecting the profound 

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words of Aleister Crowley, who 
declared Do what thy wilt shall 

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be the whole of the law. 
What does this mean for the 

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choices we make? 
How does it resonate with the 

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hidden influences that surround 
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Join me in the suspenseful and 
persuasive journey as we unravel

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the threads that connect us to 
the shadows of our own minds. 

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The Dark Mind Detective beckons 
you to explore the mysteries 

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that lay beneath the surface, 
inviting you to question, 

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discover, and perhaps uncover 
the secrets that shape our 

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essence of our existence. 
Some argue that certain traits 

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associated with aggression or 
anti social behavior may have a 

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genetic or biological basis. 
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individuals may have an inherent
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to their behavior. 
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perspective emphasizes 
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upbringing, socialization, and 
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It suggests that individuals are
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relationships and external 
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Nature versus nurture. 
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of genetic factors, biological 
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behavior. 
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characteristics that individuals
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nurture. 
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environmental factors, including
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social experiences on shaping an
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personality. 
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evil tendencies or develop them 
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doesn't have a simple answer. 
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both nature versus nurture. 
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interact with life experiences 
and surrounding influencing an 

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individual's choice in action. 
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discussion perspectives may 
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There isn't a universally green 
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the origins of evil. 
The book Programmed to Kill by 

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Dave McGowan is what this series
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We are not even in the first 
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We're still kind of exploring 
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the introduction where he 
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introduction the Introductory of
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So I'm going to just kind of 
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introduction. 
So the chapter explores the This

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introduction explores a darker 
in a very disturbing world that 

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you're not going to really find 
in most true crime books or 

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media. 
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typical true crime genre. 
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crime variety shows. 
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Look at things from a multiple 
different perspectives and try 

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to have an open mind. 
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is often associated with 
conspiracy theories. 

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And in Hollywood, you know, 
Bourne Identity, Zoolander, The 

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Manchurian Candidates, There's a
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I found the shows quite 
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there were great movies. 
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know, it's kind of a more of a 
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What I truly believe mind 
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can be a lot more subtle than we
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So the concept of mind control 
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disassociated states, including 
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disassociation, identity 
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As a key components of mind 
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makes, I think that we all can 
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If if you do something over and 
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drive from work the same route 
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years on end, there's times 
where you'll just get to your 

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driveway and say, Oh my God, I 
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times like for. 
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I'm like Netflix, I'm binging. 
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almost like I stopped seeing the
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It's weird. 
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then you're looking at the 
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disassociated state or if you're
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of you know doing something in 
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You don't quite remember time 
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sense of time, right? 
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or on the on the. 
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another easy way of 
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So one of the key components of 
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topic of amnesia Fatigue states.
Disassociated states is is a key

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component to mind control. 
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psychologist hypnotist. 
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about in the previous podcast on
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a book and it's a basic 
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emphasizing again dissociative 
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performances and it really what 
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everyone's accessible to it. 
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My wife, actually my late wife 
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hypnotherapist. 
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So I do understand hypnotherapy 
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suggestion, putting yourself in 
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to be open to being hypnotized. 
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an unwilling or unwitting 
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Also discussed the historical 
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research, citing CIA sponsored 
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social science luminaries, 
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Paul Verdier, another a 
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the techniques for brainwashing,
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drugs, isolation. 
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the use of drugs, alcohol would 
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malleable, right? 
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using these types of substances,
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person's consciousness. 
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control over them and you're 
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forcefully or subtly. 
It definitely will have a 

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profound influence of that 
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So, for example, let's say this 
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someone's drink or a high dose 
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nervous breakdown, they're 
completely going crazy and and 

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and it's because of all the bad 
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really the consequence of that, 
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You can really do a lot of 
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And these things have been done,
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out, right? 
O The Charter also gets into the

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realm, and this is where it gets
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The vulnerability of children to
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with traumatic abuse is 
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to satanic rituals. 
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this. 
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both sides that if were these 
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did something happen, we will. 
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this aspect. 
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Thoughts about it, which I will 
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You can tell them funny stories,
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Claus exists and they believe 
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Because they're children, right?
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of. 
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them substances, you could 
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child's mind through abuse and 
trauma, and it would be a very 

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effective way of traumatizing 
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those young children's minds. 
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believe that sometimes the 
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like the best way to describe it
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That to make it scary right? 
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really wanted to terrorize 
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So what I would do is I would 
hire a whole bunch of people 

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that would leave them like say 
satanic notes or wear devil 

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masks and peer in their windows 
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candle into their garden and 
make it look like some ritual 

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was done there. 
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Those people are not really 
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something that would frighten 
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someone in a devil mask was 
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I found evidence of ritual stuff
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know, in my garage or garden. 
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sets the stage, right? 
It it's a it's a a theme that 

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would frighten a lot of people. 
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imageries as a tool to scare 
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also notes the effort to 
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abuse, highlighting the false 
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That's a very controversial 
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its own and. 
We can really go down a rabbit 

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You could do a whole series of 
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was a huge thing. 
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when I was a kid in 1980s, I'm 
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listener. 
So in the 80s I was a huge metal

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Metal was my favorite type of 
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times, you know, Mötley Crüe and
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they had a lot of what 
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Satanic elements. 
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trying to sell records and and I
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weren't. 
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I just enjoyed the music. 
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and how this is influencing 
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This the Satanic Panic, so I 
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right? 
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and stuff like that, we actually
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upset the parents and we just 
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stupid people, ha ha ha. 
It was kind of more of that 

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regard. 
I wasn't involved in any type of

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satanic stuff because I listened
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It didn't influence me one way 
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media and and some of it now 
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comical. 
When the Ozzy Osbourne was sued 

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in court and the scientist came 
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that he puts in these secret 
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sync and and when these kids 
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out and worship Satan or 
Baphomet and sacrifice the 

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family's cat. 
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the. 
Perfect reply to it, he said. 

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The only sink I know is the one 
I wash my face. 

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And you think I'm some kind of 
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So there was some kind of 
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was a lot of people that are who
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And I saw it first hand. 
But there was a report, and this

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is this Commission by the UK 
Department of Health. 

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This was in 2000 that concluded 
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It does take place and victims 
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memory syndrome. 
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on this. 
It's I don't want anyone our 

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tires to get stuck in the mud on
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herring to distract people from 
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going on here, So for again, 
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Of if someone was being gang 
stalked and I hired people 

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wearing scary black robes and 
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they it would distract. 
That it it's not just some 

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asshole trying to torment them, 
but maybe they're being 

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subjugated to a cult and maybe 
it would twist the 

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investigation. 
Now on the lookout for some cult

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that doesn't exist, right. 
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Hope hope that makes sense. 
So again, for the listeners, if 

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you never heard it, MKULTRA. 
It refers to a top secret CIA 

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program that was officially 
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program. 
The name MKULTRA is a 

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combination of abbreviation 
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And ultra, which is the ultra 
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highest level of classification.
The program was initiated in the

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1950s and it was officially it 
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the 1970s. 
The purpose was to explore the 

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possibility of mind control and 
behavioral modification, often 

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through the use of drugs. 
Psychological torture and other 

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unconventional methods. 
The program was an extensive and

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involved in experiments on both 
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including civilians, while 
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Does not have a direct ties to 
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Some of its roots can be traced 
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when the US government became 
interested in research conducted

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by Nazi scientists, including 
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experiments. 
Operation Paper Clips is 

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something that everyone should 
Google and do some research on. 

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And if you want a better search 
engine, because I'm just saying 

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for the listeners who if you're 
listening to my podcast, you're 

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probably already interested in 
these types of subjects, I found

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a really great search engine. 
It's an AI driven search engine.

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It's called Perplexity and it's 
much superior to Google. 

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It basically you put anything in
there and it pulls up 

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everything. 
Articles, it's it's so much 

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better than Google. 
Google's been. 

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No, it's another subject hasn't 
been really good lately. 

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I find it's it doesn't search 
very well anymore. 

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So again, that search engine is 
called Perplexity and please 

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contact me. 
The easiest way to contact me is

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through my Instagram page, The 
Dark Mind Detective. 

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If you're not a A member, please
send me a request to join 

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because my page is now private. 
But if you're cool, I'd be happy

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to send accept your request. 
So Perplexity is a great search 

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engine. 
If you put the search term of 

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Operation Paper Clip, you'll be 
quite amazed of what went down O

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for example, Operation Aer CLI 
for example brought German 

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scientists, engineers and 
intelligence officers to the 

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United States. 
An some of their work may have 

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influenced the development of MK
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We'll definitely get more into 
this in the future. 

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I want to give everyone just a 
kind of like a base 

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understanding of this program. 
And as time goes on we will get 

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deeper and deeper and deeper in 
this because a rabbit hole goes 

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very deep. 
My dear listeners, it's 

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important to note that MK Ultra 
is controversial and has raised 

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ethical concerns due to the 
nature of experiments conducted 

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and the lack of informed consent
that it that many of the 

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subjects were involved. 
So in the last podcast, So I'm 

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in Canada, right? 
And Canada always has like this,

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likes to give the impression 
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So in the last podcast, they 
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psychological and physical 
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psychiatric centers in Montreal.
That, and then again, it's worth

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noting we don't know the full 
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The only reason why we even know
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that they found all of the 
invoices for the this program 

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that kind of laid out the whole 
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of the actual program. 
So it's very disturbing, 

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extremely disturbing. 
So some of the key people that 

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Dave McGowan mentions in his 
introduction Estra Brooks, a 

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prominent psychologist, 
hypnotist he worked under 

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contract of the American 
intelligence agencies. 

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His book, which is the the 
foundation and the methodology 

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of mind control is called 
Hypnotism. 

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Lee Harvey Oswald, which God we 
could do, we could probably do 

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100 episodes just on on him. 
But anyways, was mentioned as a 

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potential mind control assassin 
central figure in the 

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assassination of President John 
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Another example of a potential 
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the assassination of Senator 
Robert F Kennedy. 

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Henry Lee Lucas referenced again
as a potential mind control 

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killer. 
And that is a rabbit hole. 

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Trust me, we will be talking a 
lot about him in future 

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episodes. 
But again, for people who've 

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never heard of these people, I'm
just wondering. 

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This is kind of really an 
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Using the metaphor of peeling an
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by layer by layer. 
Charlie Manson, one of my 

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favorite controversial figures 
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And yes, I could probably do at 
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Manson. 
So Charlie Manson also 

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referenced as a potential mind 
control figure leading the 

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Manson Family cult involving a 
series of very grisly murders I 

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want to talk to. 
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it's important is the MK Ultra 
program, with its unethical and 

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often harmful experiments, does 
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potential dangers of unchecked 
government actions and the 

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pursuit of scientific and 
intelligent objectives without 

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proper ethical considerations. 
Here are some of the lessons and

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warnings that can be drawn from 
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And again, I want to emphasize 
ethical oversight is critical, 

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so we also live in. 
This is just to digress for a 

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second, is we live in a time of 
the rise of AI. 

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AI is a very powerful tool. 
I use it for research. 

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I think it's a great research 
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I mentioned. 
It's one of my kind of my 

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cornerstones for researching 
subjects because I can put any 

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subject in and I can pull a lot 
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So again, it like every tool it 
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also has very ethical concerns 
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So MK Ultra experiments were 
conducted without proper ethical

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oversights and informed consent.
This lack of oversight led to 

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severe consequences for 
individuals involved. 

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The warning is the emphasis. 
The critical importance of 

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ethical oversight is needed for 
transparent and accountable 

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process in scientific and 
intelligent research and the 

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respect for human rights. 
The MK Ultra involved serious 

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violations of human rights as 
individuals were subjected to 

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experiments without their 
knowledge or consent. 

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There must be a steadfast 
commitment into respecting human

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rights in any scientific and 
intelligence endeavor. 

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Individuals should never be 
treated as mere subjects and 

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experimentations as Guinea pigs.
Much of the MK Ultra program 

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remains hidden for public 
knowledge and for years it was 

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contribute contributing to a 
very lack of accountability. 

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Like for example, the Canadians 
that were subjected to these 

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horrific experiments, the CIA 
never accepted any 

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accountability to the the 
Canadian patients that were 

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subjected to monstrous and 
horrific experiments without 

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their consent or knowledge. 
MKULTRA underscores a need for 

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transparency in government 
activity, especially involving 

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potentially harmful experiments.
The public has a right to know 

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about activities that may impact
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Inform consent is non 
negotiable. 

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MK Ultra demonstrates the danger
of conducting experiments 

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without informed consent, 
exposing individuals to physical

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and psychological harm. 
Informed consent is a 

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fundamental principle in ethical
research. 

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Any deviation of this principle 
risk causing harm and it 

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undermines the credibility of 
the research and long term 

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consequences. 
The repercussions of the MK 

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Ultra experiments, both on 
individual society, were long 

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lasting. 
Lies were disrupted, were 

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disrupted. 
Trust in institutions were 

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eroded. 
Actions with potential long term

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consequences require careful 
consideration. 

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The fallout from unethical 
experiments can extend far 

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beyond the immediate time frame,
impacting individuals and 

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communities for years. 
The exposure of MK Ultra came 

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through investigative efforts in
public scrutiny. 

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Society must remain vigilant and
remain and and demand ongoing 

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oversight of government 
activities, particularly those 

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involving sensitive research. 
Public awareness is a powerful 

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tool in holding institutions 
accountable, so we live in a 

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strange time also. 
And again, I'm not going to go 

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down. 
Other rabbits hold, but I just 

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want people to think critically 
for a moment. 

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If it's if it's indigenous 
residential schools, if it's 

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large institutions that have 
been caught molesting children 

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or even just poor oversights, 
where our taxpayers go, where 

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our money goes and how it's 
spent is that I feel that 

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there's many other areas where 
we can do a better job at 

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holding governments accountable 
to us. 

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Because it seems there seems to 
be a lot of lack of transparency

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and there doesn't seem to be as 
much public figures being held 

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accountable. 
But I digress. 

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So what's really at stake here? 
And and think about this for a 

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moment. 
What are they targeting? 

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They're targeting your brain. 
Your brain is your human 

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biological computer. 
Oi want people to kind of look 

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at their brain differently for 
the first time and be me being a

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person that's interested in 
computer sciences and I work for

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a lot of high tech startups and 
I look at our brain as a human 

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computer. 
So I'm going to use a metaphor 

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as if our brain is a computer. 
And I want people to relate to 

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this so they can maybe 
understand how their brain works

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and what was at stake here. 
So they were trying to reprogram

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your brain, mind control, right?
Or trying to take control over 

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your brain. 
So what would a hacker do? 

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A hacker would try to take 
control over your computer, 

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right? 
Maybe access secret information,

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maybe access your credit card, 
maybe take over your computer to

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do malicious things, right? 
So think about this, the 

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metaphor, your imagine your 
brain as a sophisticated 

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computer, which it is, right? 
It receives, it processes, it 

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stores, it retrieves information
much like a computer process. 

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Data right input, right input is
sensory information, right? 

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Similar to a computer receiving 
input from a keyboard or a 

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
mouse. 
The brain gets its information 

462
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,200
from our senses. 
Sight, sound, touch, taste and 

463
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000
smell right. 
Processing neural networks, 

464
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,280
right? 
Our brain is combined our brain.

465
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,160
Within the brain there are 
neural networks. 

466
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,600
Or within our brain there are 
networks of neurons akin to 

467
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,560
circuits in the computer. 
These neurons communicate 

468
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,720
through electrical and chemical 
signals. 

469
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,720
Say that one more time within 
the brain there are networks of 

470
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,160
neurons akin to circuits. 
In a computer. 

471
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,080
These neurons communicate 
through electrical and chemical 

472
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,560
signals, forming the basis of 
information processing memory 

473
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,360
storage like RAM and hard drive.
So think of short term memory 

474
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,040
like random access memory, RAM. 
That's what RAM stands for. 

475
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Random Access memory. 
It's temporary storage for quick

476
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,680
access. 
Long term memory is like the 

477
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,040
computer's hard drive. 
Storing information for the long

478
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
haul, right? 
Encoding memories, creating 

479
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,840
files, right? 
So when we experience something,

480
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
the brain encodes it into the 
memory. 

481
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,720
It's like creating a file on a 
computer. 

482
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,440
The stronger the experience, the
more likely it's to be saved. 

483
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Retrieving and accessing its 
files Right? 

484
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,600
When we recall a memory, it's 
akin to accessing a file on a 

485
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,560
computer. 
Sometimes a brain may need a few

486
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760
cues, right? 
Like a keyword for a search to 

487
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,280
retrieve the information. 
Imagination. 

488
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Virtual reality. 
A virtual reality simulator we 

489
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,280
would call a memory. 
It's akin to accessing a file on

490
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640
a computer. 
Sometimes a brain may need a few

491
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,840
cues, like keywords for a search
to retrieve the information. 

492
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,239
Imagination Virtual reality 
simulator. 

493
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,159
Think about that for a minute. 
Your imagination is your virtual

494
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,639
reality simulator. 
The brain has a remarkable 

495
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,080
ability to simulate experiences 
through imagination. 

496
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,679
It's like running a virtual 
reality program, creating a 

497
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:32,560
scenario that hasn't happened 
but could Trauma and 

498
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,600
manipulation. 
Viruses and malware Trauma and 

499
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,440
manipulation can be likened to a
virus or malware affecting a 

500
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,320
computer. 
They disrupt the normal 

501
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,679
functioning and may alter the 
way information is processed, 

502
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,480
affecting the neural network, 
wiring, the circuitry, system, 

503
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,640
trauma. 
Trauma can physically alter the 

504
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,040
brain structure and the 
connections between the neurons.

505
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,720
Like rewriting the circuits of 
the computer, it may impact the 

506
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:15,840
emotional responses and memory 
information, healing and 

507
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:22,640
rebuilding system updates. 
Recovering from a trauma is akin

508
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,760
to a systems update. 
With therapy and support. 

509
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,360
The brain can adapt and heal and
rebuild with healthier neuro 

510
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,000
connections, mindfulness and 
self-awareness. 

511
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,720
The firewall and the security 
software practices like 

512
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,280
mindfulness acts as kind of like
a firewall and a security 

513
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,960
software, helping to protect the
mind from negative influences. 

514
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,320
Promoting self-awareness, 
empowerment, taking control, 

515
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,200
understanding how the brain 
works empowers individuals to 

516
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,600
take control of their mental 
well-being, making informed 

517
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,320
choices to foster healthy and 
mental environments. 

518
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:24,720
So in these Canadian 
experiments, the toxic legacy of

519
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:30,920
Canada's CIA brainwashing 
experiments, I played a clip 

520
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,320
that I found in my last podcast.
Please listen to that because it

521
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,840
really breaks down these 
horrific experiments. 

522
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:45,680
So again, so I'm going to end it
here because this is a heavy 

523
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440
subject, right? 
It's want to give food for 

524
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,840
thought, but I don't want to 
overwhelm my dear listeners 

525
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,680
because this stuff can take you 
down some dark rabbit holes and 

526
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,880
again, it's not to depress you, 
it's not to distress you. 

527
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,800
I'm hoping that actually it will
give you a better awareness and 

528
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,280
also like I said, have a better 
understanding of how your brain 

529
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,000
works. 
In my opinion, your brain is the

530
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,480
most valuable asset that you 
have and own, and please take 

531
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:23,680
care of it, because it is, to 
me, in my opinion, a miracle of 

532
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:32,070
the universe. 
In the labyrinth of the mind, a 

533
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:36,310
puzzle unfolds. 
A miniature universe, a mystery 

534
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:42,270
untold, a sanctuary from the 
world outside, where secrets and

535
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:48,990
memories and shadows abide. 
A place to escape, where echoes 

536
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:53,360
are hustled in the corridors of 
thought, where whispers are 

537
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,880
brushed. 
A refuge from trauma and heaven 

538
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,520
for fears. 
Where time is suspended and 

539
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,000
soulless appears. 
The mind of the labyrinth, of 

540
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,360
winding trails. 
Through the tapestry of memories

541
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,560
it sails each twist and turns a 
chapter of verse. 

542
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,680
A sanctuary where the heart can 
immerse in the quiet corners, 

543
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,160
where thoughts retreat. 
A sanctuary where emotions can 

544
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,600
meet. 
A universe within a vast and 

545
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,520
profound a place of solace, 
where healing is found. 

546
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,200
Yet beware the shadows, the 
corners unseen. 

547
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:51,320
For even in solace there is a 
balance, a Sheen, A labyrinth 

548
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,040
hold both darkness and light, a 
dance of contrast. 

549
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,920
So wander with care through this
intricate maze where your mind 

550
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,000
in its brilliance both dazzles 
and sways a puzzle, a refuge of 

551
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,560
universe within the mines 
labyrinth where the story 

552
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:20,120
begins. 
Germany, Spring 1945. 

553
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,360
The Allies are on the verge of 
crushing the Nazi war machine. 

554
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,120
For many of Hitler's elite 
officers, self preservation has 

555
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:36,000
become their top priority. 
It was only in the last couple 

556
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,880
of months of the war that 
members of the s s started to 

557
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,960
approach Americans with offers 
of assistance, and it was clear 

558
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,040
they were doing it because the 
writing was on the wall. 

559
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,640
The war was over. 
Among those carefully 

560
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,040
considering their predicament, 
43 year old General Reinhard 

561
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Galen. 
Reinhard Galen was a general 

562
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,360
staff officer. 
He was, by the end of the war, a

563
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,440
Major General in the German 
army. 

564
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,160
He was directly responsible for 
the German army's analytical 

565
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:21,160
group that studied the Soviet. 
Army General Galen knows better 

566
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,000
than most that the end is near 
with the Eastern Front 

567
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,560
collapsing. 
He has been giving the Fuhrer 

568
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,360
consistently grim news for 
months. 

569
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,880
As he foresaw the end, he began 
telling Hitler the truth about 

570
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,920
what the situation was in the 
East, and Hitler didn't want to 

571
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,920
hear it. 
On April 9th, 1945, Galen is 

572
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
dismissed from his post by 
Hitler. 

573
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,840
He fished that later that month.
He quietly assembles his closest

574
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,080
advisors to execute his post war
strategy. 

575
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,440
He said. 
What we're going to do is we're 

576
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,080
going to get our files. 
We're going to get. 

577
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560
All of our most valuable files 
on the Soviet Union, we're going

578
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,400
to make copies of them and we're
going to bury them in different 

579
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:09,600
places. 
And he did this in order to have

580
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,480
a bargaining chip that he could 
use with the Western Allies 

581
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,560
later. 
He accurately understood that an

582
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,720
ideological showdown between 
East and West was was evolving. 

583
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,800
And he positioned himself in 
such a way as to take advantage 

584
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,760
of that. 
With his Nazi intelligence files

585
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,760
safely hidden in the Bavarian 
mountainside, Galen turns 

586
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,760
himself in to American 
authorities. 

587
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:45,120
On May 22nd, 1945, two weeks 
after his country surrender, he 

588
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,600
grandly announces to his captors
that he can provide unique 

589
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,640
intelligence on the Soviets to 
the American government. 

590
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
But it isn't until he is 
interrogated by a young Army 

591
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,720
captain that officials realize 
the significance of their 

592
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,760
captive. 
A self starter named Captain 

593
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:12,400
John Boker identifies Reinard 
Galen in an interrogation 

594
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,080
center. 
He understood that the interests

595
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,440
of the United States and the 
Soviet Union were not the same, 

596
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,440
and he felt that the time was 
absolutely right to use and to 

597
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,240
absorb whatever the Germans knew
about the Soviets. 

598
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,600
For months, Volker has 
interrogated captured German 

599
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,360
officers. 
From them, he has learned what 

600
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,760
many in the upper echelons of 
the US government already know, 

601
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,880
despite his past promises. 
Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin's 

602
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,600
desire to spread communism 
throughout Europe is insatiable.

603
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,960
So when General Gaitlin 
emphasizes a gathering Soviet 

604
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,800
threat to the West, Captain 
Boker readily agrees. 

605
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Galen was a master at playing on
our fears about the Soviet 

606
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Union. 
Yes, he told Boker exactly what 

607
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,320
Boker expected to hear, which is
that the Soviets were a great 

608
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,560
menace, that their desire for 
land was inexhaustible, and that

609
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,640
he, Galen, was an expert on this
new threat. 

610
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,280
Within months of his surrender, 
the information Galen buried in 

611
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,280
the Alps is retrieved. 
While American intelligence 

612
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,080
analysts pour over his files, 
officials at the Pentagon decide

613
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,440
to bring Galen and his officers 
to the United States. 

614
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,400
August 14th, 1945 The Japanese 
surrender unconditionally. 

615
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,880
World War 2 is over. 10 days 
later, Galen and members of his 

616
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,720
staff are smuggled into the US 
disguised as American civilians.

617
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,360
This would have been a political
disaster if it had been known, 

618
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,560
because the the general feeling 
would have been indeed that we'd

619
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,960
taken out a bunch of Nazis and 
this was the time when we just 

620
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,640
wanted to string them up. 
And here we were on the side 

621
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,680
working with this German 
general. 

622
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Galen insists he never joined 
the Nazi Party, but he is well 

623
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,280
aware that his role as a general
in the Third Reich may subject 

624
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,480
him to indictment at Nuremberg. 
So upon his arrival at Fort 

625
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Hunt, Virginia, General Galen 
sets about reinventing himself 

626
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,280
for his new American colleagues.
When he was at Fort Hunt he was 

627
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,480
creating this legend about 
himself as he really was. 

628
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,440
He was not really a Nazi, he was
just someone who is a pure spy 

629
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,720
technician who at this stage of 
the game is an ardent anti 

630
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,320
communist who happened to be a 
very skillful espionage expert 

631
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,760
who just wanted to work for the 
cause. 

632
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,800
According to author Christopher 
Simpson, however, Galen did more

633
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,240
than gather intelligence. 
The former general is 

634
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,040
responsible for the brutal 
treatment of Soviets in Nazi POW

635
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,080
camps. 
You had interrogators under 

636
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Galen's authority interrogating 
the people in the camps and also

637
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
offering them the choice of life
or death. 

638
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,320
In other words, if you cooperate
with and give us the 

639
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,200
intelligence you need, we'll 
give you some food. 

640
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,160
And if you don't cooperate, we 
won't, and you'll die. 

641
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,280
Even as U.S. officials consider 
what to do with Hitler's hench 

642
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
men. 
Galen quickly learns that 

643
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,640
increasing Soviet aggressions in
Eastern Europe have already 

644
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,880
enhanced his value. 
The thinking about Galen shifts 

645
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,440
in this period. 
The Cold War makes it shift. 

646
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Stalin makes a number of very 
threatening moves in 1945 and 46

647
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,040
that shakes up the debate about 
the future of US Soviet 

648
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,400
relations. 
We suddenly realized these guys 

649
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,240
are not trustworthy at all and 
that frightened us badly. 

650
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,600
In the end, Washington's 
decision in 1945 to work with 

651
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Galen is made out of an urgent 
need for spies who could provide

652
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,520
solid intelligence about the 
Soviet Union. 

653
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,400
Most of the experts from that 
time I've interviewed a number 

654
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,400
of them, agree that the files 
were essentially empty 

655
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,760
concerning Eastern European and 
and Soviet affairs. 

656
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,000
As a result, the US abruptly 
shifts from hunting key Nazis to

657
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,480
courting them. 
On the one hand, you had units 

658
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,000
of the US Army 
Counterintelligence Corps doing 

659
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,240
their job tracking down Nazi war
criminals. 

660
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,960
On the other hand, you had other
units of the same organization 

661
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,960
recruiting them to work against 
the Soviet Union. 

662
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,240
When I arrived in Austria in my 
NCO, when I reported to him for 

663
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:56,360
duty, on the wall was a chart. 
Automatic arrest categories of 

664
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,800
the Nazi party and his 
affiliates. 

665
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,280
If you ran into these people, 
you're supposed to arrest them. 

666
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,480
And I said to him, I said, Izzy,
what about this? 

667
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,360
Said Forget about it, We're 
after the Communists now. 

668
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,080
In the summer of 1946, Reinhardt
Galen returns to Germany. 

669
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Hitler's former general is now 
working for the United States. 

670
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,600
His orders recruit agents who 
can gather fresh information on 

671
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:28,400
the Soviets. 
Almost all of the operatives 

672
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Galen recruits are former Nazis.
Some are known war criminals and

673
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,600
all are now on the US payroll. 
What Galen wanted to do was get 

674
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
as big as fast as he could, 
because he knew that his 

675
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,800
survival depended on it. 
Galen is now the primary US 

676
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,440
source of intelligence about the
Soviet Union, based in Germany. 

677
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,760
Can a former Nazi general be 
trusted? 

678
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,440
It's a question that will haunt 
U.S. intelligence for years to 

679
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,640
come. 
In the meantime, U.S. officials 

680
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,480
will begin another secret 
alliance with former Nazis. 

681
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:14,040
The original idea was to utilize
German science and out of that 

682
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:22,880
came the project paper clip. 
September 1946. 

683
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,720
It's been little more than a 
year since former Nazi general 

684
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,720
Reinhardt Galen began working 
secretly for the United States. 

685
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,520
By now, former Nazi scientists 
and engineers have also been 

686
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,640
brought to the US and put on the
government payroll. 

687
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,040
It's a top secret operation run 
by the Joint Chiefs of Staff 

688
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,840
under the code name Paper Clip. 
A project is named for the paper

689
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,120
clips used in the files of the 
new German recruits. 

690
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,480
The project's purpose was to 
bring German scientists to the 

691
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,440
United States and use their 
skills. 

692
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,320
They would work for the US 
military. 

693
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,160
Under President Harry Truman's 
guidelines, war criminals are 

694
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,440
supposed to be excluded from the
program. 

695
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,200
But to the Joint Chiefs, this 
restriction impedes their 

696
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,200
mission of recruiting former 
Nazi scientists quickly. 

697
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,360
Before the Soviets can grab 
them. 

698
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,520
The background checks were 
coming in that, lo and behold, 

699
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,760
some of them violated President 
Truman's policies. 

700
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,120
If you're dealing with hundreds 
of these scientists, you're not 

701
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
going to have those full field 
investigations. 

702
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,560
People come through with 
paperwork. 

703
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,520
Paperwork looks kind of good, 
looks kind of bad, but you know,

704
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120
there's no written order that 
they found. 

705
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,000
Bring the guy. 
In And so they simply doctored 

706
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,600
the files and sent what washed 
dossiers to the State 

707
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,880
Department. 
One of these files is that of 

708
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Arthur Rudolph. 
He will later become famous as 

709
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,520
the project director of the 
Saturn 5 rocket program, which 

710
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,280
will one day help put a man on 
the moon. 

711
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,760
During World War 2, Arthur 
Rudolph was the Operations 

712
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,760
Director of the. 
Middleburg Factory in this cave 

713
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,800
underneath Koenstein Mountain. 
He was responsible for 

714
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,120
overseeing the production of the
V2 missile, and to do that he 

715
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,200
had the idea of using 
concentration camp inmates. 

716
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,920
Rudolf regularly exploited the 
labor of hundreds of prisoners 

717
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,560
from the Dora concentration camp
who were put to work on his 

718
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,480
project. 
There was inadequate ventilation

719
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,680
in the winter. 
They froze. 

720
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,560
The dust from blasting permeated
the atmosphere. 

721
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Prisoners at the Middleburg 
perished in in large numbers, 

722
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,880
both because of the inhumane 
conditions down there and as a 

723
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,580
result of physical abuse by 
civilian personnel and by the S 

724
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:12,520
s guards. 
All this happened on Rudolph's 

725
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,360
watch. 
He controlled the food, he 

726
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,000
controlled the conditions in the
factory for these poor people 

727
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:30,440
and was responsible for that. 
Experts estimate that 20,000 men

728
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,640
died in the tunnels at 
Middleburg. 

729
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,040
Despite his war crimes, Rudolph 
is recruited by the US military.

730
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,280
The official evaluation was that
he was 100% Nazi dangerous type 

731
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,400
and it was suggested that he be 
interned. 

732
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,000
In fact, what happened was he 
was instead employed. 

733
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,920
By the end of 1946, unbeknownst 
to the public, the US government

734
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,680
has two major programs staffed 
by former Nazis. 

735
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Under Project Paper CLIP, former
Nazi scientists are being sent 

736
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,560
to work at various U.S. military
bases. 

737
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,120
At the same time in Eastern 
Europe, former General Reinhardt

738
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,720
Galen's organization is 
collecting fresh intelligence on

739
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,840
the Soviet Union. 
His organization now employs 

740
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,880
hundreds of agents, many of them
former Nazis. 

741
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,240
It survives on about half 
$1,000,000 a year in Pentagon 

742
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,120
funding. 
Galen operates with little 

743
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:46,600
oversight. the US Army monitored
this organization with two 

744
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,240
people. 
That's it. 

745
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Like Project Paper CLIP, Galen 
Spy Network has War Criminals on

746
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,760
Its Payroll. 
Well, what he promised not to do

747
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,640
was to bring in war criminals. 
However, cogs in the wheels of 

748
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,720
the Holocaust started to turn up
in the Galen organization. 

749
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,600
The US Army isn't eager to 
challenge its best source for 

750
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,200
Soviet intelligence on his 
hiring practices. the US Army 

751
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,720
asked him, Are you hiring war 
criminals? 

752
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,040
And he said no. 
So it was a marriage of 

753
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,240
convenience. 
And a marriage, by the way, an 

754
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,200
arrangement that suited Galen 
perfectly. 

755
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,320
Among Galen's hires, no one is 
more notorious or reviled by 

756
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,200
Holocaust survivors. 
Than Klaus Barbie. 

757
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,960
He is a former captain in the 
Gestapo who was also known as 

758
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:50,200
the Butcher of Lyon. 
Michelle Thomas, a fighter in 

759
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,840
the French Resistance, was well 
aware of Barbie's tactics during

760
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,960
the war. 
In one instance, Thomas learned 

761
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,840
of Barbie's orders for a group 
of Jewish children in an 

762
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,040
orphanage near Lyon. 
And Barbie, of course, has 

763
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,800
raided the whole. 
Arrested and took all the 

764
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,000
children and and and their help 
and the ball. 

765
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Deported by Barbie to Auschwitz 
to death. 

766
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Typical. 
Typical. 

767
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,840
When the war ends, Barbie 
reinvents himself as an expert 

768
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,680
on Soviet intelligence after a 
brief stint in the Galen 

769
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Organization. 
He is recruited by the US Army's

770
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,840
counterintelligence division, 
known as the CIC. 

771
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,680
The Butcher of Lyon works in 
relative obscurity until the 

772
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,880
late 1940s, when French 
authorities called for his 

773
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,960
extradition from Germany. 
When this became enough of a 

774
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:58,080
political crisis or political 
issue in France, American CIC 

775
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,560
decided to smuggle Barbie out of
Europe to get rid of him, to 

776
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,080
hide him. 
With the aid of American 

777
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,320
officials, Barbie has smuggled 
to Bolivia, where he lives 

778
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,040
comfortably for the next 30 
years. 

779
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,760
These former Nazis would seem to
be valuable intelligence assets 

780
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,720
in the Cold War, but documents 
declassified by the US in the 

781
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,920
late 1990s cast doubt on the 
accuracy of the information 

782
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,280
reported by Galen and his spy 
network. 

783
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,920
They had to exaggerate the 
onerous nature of Stalin's 

784
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,120
regime and Russia. 
I mean, why don't you just say 

785
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,760
the facts Bad enough, But So 
what they did. 

786
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,240
They pumped up reports claiming 
that Stalin was mobilizing 

787
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,000
forces, Soviet military forces 
in eastern Germany, that they 

788
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,160
were going to lurch across the 
boundary and attacked Western 

789
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,800
Europe at any time. 
Why? 

790
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,440
Because if the Soviets weren't 
about to attack, what do you 

791
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,240
need Galen for? 
American officials. 

792
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,040
Often failed to properly 
question Galen's intelligence. 

793
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,360
Well, there was a series of 
alarms that Galen raised in the 

794
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,000
fall of 1947 and in early 1948. 
Some of them were truthful, some

795
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,120
of them were not. 
The truthful alarm was that 

796
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,760
there's quite a bit of tension 
in Czechoslovakia at that time. 

797
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,320
In 1948. 
Despite Stalin's promises to the

798
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,120
contrary, the Soviets overthrow 
Czechoslovakia's elected 

799
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,160
government and install a 
communist regime. 

800
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,480
As Washington watches the coup 
with alarm, Galen adds even more

801
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,080
fuel to the fire. 
What Galen added to the Czech 

802
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,880
crisis was a claim that the 
Soviet troops in the eastern 

803
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,800
zone were not under equipped 
overextended. 

804
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:05,040
Troops that they were instead 
supposedly fresh troops, fully 

805
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,560
equipped and positioned for a 
blitzkrieg type offensive on the

806
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,960
West. 
General Lucius Clay, the US 

807
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,120
commander in Germany, receives 
Galen's intelligence. 

808
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,920
When Clay started to put two and
two together with seeing the 

809
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,240
political crisis in 
Czechoslovakia, along with these

810
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,360
military claims as to what the 
Soviets were supposedly up to, 

811
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,560
the general Clay. 
Sent his suspicions or concerns 

812
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,480
back to the United States in a 
famous telegram that spring, and

813
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,160
that telegram was to advance a 
claim that the war with the 

814
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Soviets was imminent. 
But author Christopher Simpson 

815
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,440
says declassified documents 
reveal that the threat was 

816
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,880
overblown. 
Well, we know in retrospect, in 

817
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,200
part from the Army's own 
intelligence, that. 

818
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,120
The claim that they were about 
to attack was false and was not 

819
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,760
supported by evidence that was 
in hand. 

820
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,040
The intelligence may have been 
bad, but it serves Galen's 

821
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,400
immediate need, which is to keep
U.S. intelligence focused on the

822
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Soviet menace. 
By the late 1940s, former German

823
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,680
general Reinhardt Galen is 
enjoying nearly unquestioned 

824
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,120
influence as a spy for the US. 
With only minimal supervision 

825
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,480
from the Army, all that is about
to change, the CIA felt that if 

826
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,160
we didn't control them, someone 
else might, and it was 

827
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:39,320
absolutely necessary to corral, 
contain, and somehow penetrate 

828
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:46,160
this Frankenstein's monster. 
Since the end of the war. 

829
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Former German general Reinhardt 
Galen has been developing his 

830
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,080
spy network in West Germany 
under the US Army. 

831
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Now, the newly created Central 
Intelligence Agency is poised to

832
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,160
take over Galen's organization. 
Meanwhile, the US government has

833
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,680
kept the public from knowing the
extent to which former Nazis are

834
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,080
involved in American 
intelligence operations. 

835
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,720
I call it the CIA's original sin
that they would actually. 

836
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,040
Incorporate this Nazi infested 
spy apparatus into the bosom of 

837
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,560
U.S. intelligence and this is 
all done behind the back of the 

838
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:30,160
US public. 
In fact, the CIA's own analysts 

839
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,920
are now well aware that Galen 
has been recruiting war 

840
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,400
criminals under the less than 
watchful eye of the US Army. 

841
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,840
The US Army wanted tactical 
information about movements of 

842
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,480
the Soviet Armed forces in 
Occupy Germany. 

843
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,080
As long as the Galen 
Organization continue to provide

844
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,320
information on that, the US Army
look the other way on big 

845
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,240
questions of recruitment. 
CIA officials realized they must

846
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,760
begin to assert greater control 
over Galen. 

847
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,320
In spring of 1948, they assigned
a young, decorated army Colonel 

848
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,400
to investigate Galen sprawling 
organization. 

849
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,120
So in the CIA sends James. 
Critchfield to investigate. 

850
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Galen to meet with him. 
Critchfield comes back and says 

851
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,240
the CIA should acquire 
responsibility for the Galen 

852
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,440
organization. 
During an interview with the BBC

853
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,960
in 1992, the former Colonel 
explained why he told the CIA 

854
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,600
that it was still going to need 
Galen and his VAS spy network. 

855
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:41,240
The reason that I recommended in
my original report in December 

856
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,560
1948. 
That we accept responsibility 

857
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,160
for this organization was that 
we really had no choice. 

858
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,880
We had no specialist who had 
dealt with Soviet forces. 

859
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,480
But the CIA also recognizes the 
danger that Galen poses. 

860
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,120
When the CIA looked at this 
organization, it realized that 

861
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,640
it had grown so big that it now 
represented a threat to 

862
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,840
democracy in West Germany. 
We don't have a choice. 

863
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,040
It exists. 
We can either work with it, 

864
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:24,240
control it, penetrate it, use 
it, or it'll work against us. 

865
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,400
And once again, growing Soviet 
aggressions help to improve 

866
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,600
Galen's position with U.S. 
officials. 

867
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,320
In June 1948, Stalin imposes a 
blockade on West Berlin. 

868
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,240
Attempting to starve the city 
and force it to submit to 

869
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,720
communist control, US warplanes 
deliver food and medical 

870
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,160
supplies to the city. 
And nearly a year later, Stalin 

871
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,960
finally backs down. 
The Berlin crisis sparks 

872
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,840
widespread fear in the West that
war with the Soviets is 

873
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:09,640
imminent. 
It is in this atmosphere. 

874
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,040
That the CIA elects to maintain 
Galen's organization. 

875
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,120
Colonel Critchfield demands 
greater control over Galen's 

876
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,240
recruiting practices, but he 
soon learns that the former 

877
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Third Reich general has his own 
agenda. 

878
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,800
Galen says. 
Fine, I'll give you what you 

879
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,520
want. 
As soon as it's clear that the 

880
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,320
CIA is going to pick up the tab 
for Galen, the trap shuts and he

881
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,560
says to the Americans, I'm 
sorry, you misunderstood me. 

882
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,480
I can't give you the names of 
the people I'm hiring. 

883
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,360
That would be against German 
prestige. 

884
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,880
Galen also chides as American 
supervisors, reminding them of 

885
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,000
how little they know about 
running a European intelligence 

886
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,400
operation. 
You're so naive. 

887
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,160
You're Americans. 
We Europeans have been spying 

888
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,120
for centuries. 
You have to have confidence that

889
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,280
I understand how to run an 
intelligence organization. 

890
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Ultimately. 
The CIA's attempts to control 

891
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:17,080
Galen prove no more successful 
than the Army's By 1949 in 

892
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,640
response to Stalin's aggressions
in Eastern Europe, the US and 11

893
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,960
European countries, which will 
later include West Germany, form

894
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,040
the North Atlantic Treaty 
Organization, or NATO. 

895
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,040
Any attack on a member nation 
will be considered an attack on 

896
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,320
the entire alliance. 
And because Galen's network is a

897
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,400
main conduit of intelligence 
flowing from east to West, it 

898
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,920
becomes a prime target for 
Soviet spies looking to 

899
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,800
infiltrate the NATO alliance. 
It was harder for the Soviets 

900
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,560
after World War 2 to penetrate 
directly the United States 

901
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,120
government, but it could 
penetrate the Galen Organization

902
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:03,760
and acquire NATO secrets. 
One method by which Soviets gain

903
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,280
access to the Galen Organization
secrets. 

904
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,160
Is to blackmail the same Nazi 
war criminals hired by Galen, 

905
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,960
forcing them to work for the 
Soviets. 

906
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,680
They used what they knew about 
the backgrounds of people in the

907
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,640
Galen organization against those
people. 

908
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,440
It basically said, listen, we 
know what you did in World War 

909
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,600
2, and if you don't work for us,
we will. 

910
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,240
Expose you. 
As a result, many of Galen's 

911
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,840
operatives become double agents.
Spying on the US and NATO for 

912
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,520
the Soviets. 
The worst among these is Heinz 

913
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Falfa, whose treachery blew the 
covers of hundreds of spies. 

914
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,600
Heinz Falfa had been in the s s 
during World War Two. 

915
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,800
He worked his way up the Galen 
Organization and ultimately 

916
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,520
became chief of Galen's 
operations against Soviet 

917
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,440
intelligence. 
And he was a Soviet mole. 

918
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:05,480
What this means is that every 
Galen operation in the Soviet 

919
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,960
zone was penetrated and 
compromised to the Soviet Union 

920
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,880
by falfa. 
As declassified documents now 

921
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:19,520
reveal, since 1949 the CIA had 
been spying on Galen's 

922
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,800
organization. 
A number of intelligence 

923
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,600
professionals in the CIA never 
wanted to work with Galen, and 

924
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,440
they continue to make the 
argument that Galen is a 

925
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,000
mistake. 
Even though the CIA is well 

926
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,920
aware of the dangers posed by 
Heinz Felfa, it does nothing to 

927
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,360
prevent counter espionage within
Galen's organization. 

928
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,080
The blame for this, according to
author Timothy Naftali, lies 

929
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:52,200
squarely with two parties should
be laid on Galen and laid on the

930
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:57,680
CIA for basically mishandling 
Galen and not putting putting 

931
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:03,560
screws to him. 
In fact, it isn't until 1961 

932
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,840
that CIA agents arrest Heinz 
Felfa as a K GB agent. 

933
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,200
Through the early 1950s, the CIA
continues to investigate 

934
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,480
additional reports of Soviet 
penetration of Galen's 

935
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,520
organization. 
None the less, even Galen's 

936
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,880
harshest critics acknowledge 
that he was hugely successful in

937
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,320
one key respect through his 
efforts, the new government of 

938
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,600
West Germany. 
Was able to build its own 

939
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,800
intelligence apparatus. 
In 1956, Galen's organization 

940
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,400
officially becomes West 
Germany's intelligence 

941
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:45,200
operation, known as the BND. 
Some say that as a loyal German,

942
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,120
Galen had been working toward 
this goal from the very start. 

943
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,920
He had achieved what he wanted 
to achieve overall. 

944
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,000
He had become a very significant
figure in in German history, so 

945
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,920
that I think, I think in the end
Galen was the winner. 

946
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,360
But the true cost of employing 
Galen's organization and using 

947
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,640
former Nazi scientists will not 
be revealed for another 4 

948
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:22,480
decades. 
By the 1970s, some Americans are

949
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,600
beginning to ask questions. 
About the presence of ex Nazis 

950
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,440
in their midst. 
As an American, what are these 

951
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,440
people doing on our shores? 
How many Americans went to fight

952
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,200
in World War 2 all of a sudden 
to have their sacrifice made a 

953
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,240
mockery of by having Hitler's 
hench men come here and be given

954
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,840
security and benefits of 
liberty? 

955
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,600
Spring 1974, New York 
Congresswoman Elizabeth 

956
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,160
Holtzman. 
Learns of the nearly 30 year 

957
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,080
history of former Nazis brought 
to the US to work on defense 

958
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,400
projects. 
Somebody who was very 

959
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,120
knowledgeable about immigration 
matters came to see me. 

960
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,200
He came and told me the story 
that the US government had a 

961
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,960
list of Nazi war criminals 
living in the United States and 

962
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,359
was doing nothing about it. 
And my first reaction was, this 

963
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,600
is crazy. 
I can't believe it. 

964
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,600
She immediately contacts 
Immigration and Naturalization 

965
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,680
Service Commissioner Leonard 
Chapman. 

966
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,680
I said to the immigration 
commissioner, is it true that 

967
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,000
you have a list of Nazi war 
criminals in the United States? 

968
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,640
And his answer was yes. 
And I almost fell off my chair 

969
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,359
because I didn't expect it to be
true. 

970
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,560
Holtzman Launches a Campaign to 
Change American Immigration Law.

971
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,240
In 1978, Congress passes the 
Holtzman Amendment. 

972
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,479
It denies Nazi war criminals 
admission to the United States 

973
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,120
and mandates the deportation of 
those who have already been 

974
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:06,399
admitted. 
That same year, the Office of 

975
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:11,120
Special Investigations for OSI 
is created in the US Justice 

976
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,120
Department. 
One goal of the OSI is to find 

977
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,760
the evidence about Nazi war 
criminals living in America. 

978
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,160
Then to bring them to justice. 
In 19 eighty 25 year old 

979
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,120
attorney Eli Rosenbaum joins the
OSI. 

980
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:27,920
If you've got the evidence, 
we'll do it. 

981
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,080
His first major case is that of 
Arthur Rudolph, the former Nazi 

982
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,319
engineer who was brought to the 
US back in the 1940s under 

983
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:41,560
Project Paper CLIP. 
In the United States, Martha 

984
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,920
Rudolph had gained near heroic 
status. 

985
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,040
He was, after all, one of the 
key. 

986
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:53,439
NASA officials are responsible 
for building the Saturn 5, the 

987
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,280
rocket that took humankind to 
the moon in 1969. 

988
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,000
Rosenbaum is convinced that 
Rudolph has blood on his hands. 

989
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,080
Decades before, Rudolph 
exploited Dora concentration 

990
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:13,000
camp inmates in his effort to 
perfect Germany's V2 rocket used

991
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,280
on allied targets throughout 
Europe. 

992
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:23,840
The utilization of slave labor 
is a violation of the Nuremberg 

993
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,160
Charter. 
It's a crime against humanity. 

994
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,480
He should have been prosecuted 
criminally right after the war 

995
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,160
for what he did. 
But he wasn't. 

996
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,080
The two men meet on February 
4th, 1983. 

997
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,160
In a tape recorded interview, 
Rosenbaum attempts to get 

998
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,200
Rudolph to admit his guilt. 
The following are audio excerpts

999
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,600
from that interview. 
But did it did it occur to you 

1000
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,320
that they might send you more by
10 prisoners? 

1001
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,440
That could have big praise in 
this, yes. 

1002
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:07,600
He brought these people down to 
this hellhole, knowing exactly 

1003
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:12,560
what gruesome conditions they 
were going to be exposed to, and

1004
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,560
he did it without any concern. 
For their For their lives. 

1005
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,600
For their health. 
You must have thought of who was

1006
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,320
going to build these rockets. 
I mean, they were going to be 

1007
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,960
working for you. 
A lot of them, yes. 

1008
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,560
Without The situation was so 
confused. 

1009
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:36,640
At that time at the Middleburg, 
prisoners who were involved in 

1010
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,920
production had different kinds 
of little badges, little phone 

1011
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,880
cloth. 
They indicate what kind of 

1012
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,360
presence they were, for 
instance, political. 

1013
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,520
Be sure you don't recall like 
yellow like a yellow Star of 

1014
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:58,200
David. 
You don't recall that despite 

1015
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:03,440
Rudolf's denials, Rosenbaum and 
the OSI believe they have enough

1016
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,280
evidence to prosecute the former
Nazi. 

1017
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,640
The OSI was going to bring a 
case against him and Rudolf left

1018
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,120
the country rather than face. 
Certain deportation because of 

1019
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,080
the war crimes that he engaged 
in. 

1020
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,920
The OSI stays on the hunt for 
other Nazi war criminals living 

1021
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:26,200
in America, but the full story 
of the use of former Nazis by 

1022
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:28,560
U.S. 
Intelligence during the Cold War

1023
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,120
will remain classified for 
another 20 years. 

1024
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,680
The former Soviet Union had 
opened up their files yet. 

1025
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,560
The American government, the 
country of openness of a 

1026
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,040
democracy, was still availing it
in total secrecy. 

1027
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,840
In the mid 1980s, new questions 
emerge about the use of former 

1028
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,680
Nazis in American scientific and
intelligence operations. 

1029
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,560
Beginning in 1984, author Mary 
Ellen Reese spent six years 

1030
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,840
researching Reinhardt Galen. 
And his ties to the CIA. 

1031
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,240
One very, very senior CIA 
officer said to me, We have 

1032
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,320
papers that say things about 
Galen that we don't want on the 

1033
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,280
record. 
We don't want the people to see 

1034
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,040
that. 
Over the next decade, even with 

1035
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,320
the fall of the Berlin Wall and 
the disintegration of the Soviet

1036
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:32,080
Union, the CIA remains unwilling
to open its files in 1998. 

1037
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,320
Congress passes the Nazi War 
Crimes Disclosure Act, sponsored

1038
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,680
by New York Congresswoman 
Carolyn Maloney. 

1039
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,720
The bill requires the CIA to 
reveal details about its 

1040
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,120
relationship with former Third 
Reich officers, including 

1041
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:53,560
Reinhard Galen. 
They insisted on having an item 

1042
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,520
that said that anything that 
pertained to current national 

1043
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:02,880
security could not be disclosed.
That this was 50-60 years after 

1044
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,160
World War 2. 
On October 8th, 1998, the ACT is

1045
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,400
signed into law by President 
Bill Clinton. 

1046
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,440
Over the next six years, 8 
million documents from the 

1047
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:19,160
CIAUS, Army and other government
organizations are made public, 

1048
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:22,800
the largest declassification of 
U.S. intelligence records in 

1049
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,000
history. 
Cold War expert Timothy Naftali 

1050
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,240
reviews the documents concerning
the Galen organization. 

1051
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,960
And is shocked by what he 
discovers. 

1052
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:40,320
When the CIA finally analyzed 
his operations, they discovered 

1053
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:46,120
that 90% of them were garbage. 
They were either fraudulent, 

1054
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,960
they didn't exist, or the 
information that was being 

1055
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,680
provided was worthless. 
Naftali and others believe this 

1056
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,760
faulty intelligence was 
detrimental to the US. 

1057
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,240
The United States paid a very 
serious price for relying on 

1058
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,800
Galen for intelligence. 
Part of the price was protecting

1059
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,320
Nazi war criminals. 
Part of the price was not 

1060
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,200
fulfilling our treaty obligation
to prosecute war criminals, 

1061
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,880
which we have a legal treaty 
obligation to do. 2/3 of the raw

1062
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,320
intelligence that filtered into 
NATO came through the Galen 

1063
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,320
network. 
So they played a very important 

1064
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,200
role during the Cold War and I 
fear also a very negative role 

1065
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,520
in terms of. 
Influencing US Soviet relations 

1066
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,640
in a way that wasn't helpful to 
either country, but was 

1067
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,760
ultimately helpful to Galen and 
his Nazis. 

1068
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,400
Critics also question whether 
engineers like former Nazi 

1069
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,080
Arthur Rudolph made a real 
contribution to American 

1070
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:48,280
scientific progress. 
Arthur Rudolph was a competent 

1071
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,400
administrator of large 
scientific enterprises. 

1072
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:56,240
He was aceo type if you will. 
He had management skills. 

1073
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:02,920
Needed Rudolph is I personally, 
I see no evidence that supports 

1074
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,440
that French Resistance fighter 
and concentration camp survivor.

1075
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:10,960
Michelle Thomas was recruited in
March of 1945 by U.S. 

1076
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,760
Army Intelligence. 
He was present with Allied 

1077
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,520
troops at the liberation of the 
Dachau concentration camp on 

1078
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:24,440
April 29th, 1945. 
We never and then say we never. 

1079
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,760
Should have even considered or 
thought of it. 

1080
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Thought of of working with knots
with Gestapo it it was part of. 

1081
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,480
Our mission to arrest. 
Them and to and to and to see 

1082
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,600
if. 
Ever. 

1083
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,200
Justice done. 
I don't know if there is any 

1084
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:54,240
human justice to all the inhuman
activities. 

1085
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,280
No matter where they go or what 
they do, they always try to 

1086
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,440
remember what to do. 
If the atom bomb explodes. 

1087
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,600
Right then it's a bomb Duck can 
cover. 

1088
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:08,600
But for many former Cold 
Warriors who operated under the 

1089
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,520
very real threat of war with the
Soviets, the decision was 

1090
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:19,280
between the lesser of two evils 
in 1940. 6 Robert Livingston was

1091
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,600
a. 
Member of the US Army's 

1092
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,320
Intelligence Corps, the CIC, 
stationed in Austria. 

1093
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,000
His unit collected general Intel
on Soviet activity. 

1094
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:34,080
It is a duplicitous double game.
And you have to work with people

1095
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,520
who would not, would not go to 
dinner with it was morals or 

1096
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,760
sometimes not a dubious, maybe 
even in the gutter, you know. 

1097
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,080
And you have to do that 
sometimes to advance a a higher 

1098
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,520
cause, the champion of the 
relationship. 

1099
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,520
Between the CIA and Galen James 
Critchfield. 

1100
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,480
And defended the collaboration 
with the former 3rd Right 

1101
01:17:53,480 --> 01:18:00,640
General until his death in 2003.
All of this was real life and 

1102
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,240
death intelligence during this 
period, and I think it's it's 

1103
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,880
for that reason that there was 
no questioning by anyone of the 

1104
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,040
value of it at that moment in 
history. 

1105
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Critchfield reminded critics 
that Galen's organization. 

1106
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,360
We built an intelligence 
apparatus for West Germany that 

1107
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,920
served the Western alliance 
throughout the Cold War. 

1108
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,480
Christopher Simpson acknowledges
this, but still disputes the 

1109
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:38,080
wisdom of working with Galen. 
A lot of people argue the 

1110
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,800
collaboration. 
With the Nazis was not 

1111
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,080
necessarily a bad thing that 
supposedly the United States 

1112
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,360
gained in terms of intelligence 
information. 

1113
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,440
That supposedly they gained some
sort of advantage in terms of 

1114
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:51,760
dealing with Eastern Europe and 
Soviets and so on. 

1115
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:57,560
I think that's simply untrue. 
The fundamental cost of deciding

1116
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,040
to work with people who've 
committed genocide and crimes 

1117
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,280
against humanity is by itself 
corrupt in very institutions 

1118
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,520
that we. 
Employ to. 

1119
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,760
Gather intelligence can also 
poison or mislead intelligence. 

1120
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,960
Just so that you have a 
situation in which a government 

1121
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,680
is simultaneously heavily 
dependent upon intelligence, and

1122
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,440
yet cannot count upon the 
intelligence to be actually 

1123
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:30,080
accurate, but in times. 
Of war. 

1124
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,960
The need for intelligence can 
often trump ethical concerns. 

1125
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,840
We're faced with that same 
problem in Iraq today. 

1126
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,920
I mean, who do we work with? 
We work with those who are. 

1127
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,000
Pristine. 
Clean. 

1128
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,040
There are very few that are 
pristine clean. 

1129
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,000
Then of course, judgments in 
hindsight are always a lot 

1130
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,040
easier than they are at the 
time, and you're faced with a 

1131
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,600
concrete problem. 
You're an operating officer of 

1132
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,080
an intelligent outfit. 
Your boss say we need 

1133
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,200
information on XY and Z, so 
these are the type of 

1134
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,640
compromises. 
That have to be. 

1135
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,800
Made in in the big political 
game sometimes. 

1136
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:11,560
Meanwhile, more documents are 
still being declassified under 

1137
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,720
the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure 
Act. 

1138
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,120
But the full story of Reinhard 
Galen's relationship with U.S. 

1139
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:23,160
intelligence may never be known.
Do I think we got all of it? 

1140
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,840
No, I didn't get a chance to. 
Walk the halls of the CIA 

1141
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,600
archive. 
None of us did. 

1142
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,560
And I think the most important 
thing to say is that we are not 

1143
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,080
going to give. 
Up without getting the truth. 

1144
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The agencies that still have not
given us the information that we

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need. 
I think they will have to. 

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The preceding program presented 
theories about an historical 

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event that is shrouded in 
mystery. 

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It contained archival footage, 
reenactments and dramatizations 

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which invite you, the viewer, to
draw your own conclusions.