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So this this episode, I was 
going to call it Gladiator 

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School cuz that was a nickname 
for Collins Bay. 

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What's the true nickname? 
Yeah. 

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So they start off like, how did 
they get that nickname? 

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Well, I don't know what I know. 
How I got that nickname is it's 

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a crazy. 
It's a crazy house. 

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Yeah, it's a crazy house. 
It's it's under our maximum 

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security. 
It's a level 5. 

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I think a Level 5, it's media 
Max. 

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And yeah, right from there, if 
you get into trouble with calls 

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Bay, you're, you know, you're 
going into right, right into 

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maximum security. 
And yeah, it's borderline, you 

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know, it's it's always fights 
and always stabbings and 

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killings. 
And so, yeah, that's why it's 

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about his name. 
Gladiator school. 

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You had to be taught to survive 
that place. 

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That's crazy. 
Yeah, it. 

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Is crazy. 
So maybe tell me that some of 

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the different prisons you serve 
time in. 

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Well I didn't serve much time as
in provincial like I when I was 

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14, I'd like I did the adult 
prison in Kenora, that's a 

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that's like a city jail. 
But you you know if you don't 

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have many jails in Kenora. 
So that was just it's it's jail 

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under two years less a day. 
You were doing it there. 

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Then I from Kenora I did time in
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at Scarborough E then that 
should see jails and we east and

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West and and then from there I 
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for provincial. 
Then from there I did Federal 

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Collins Bay and. 
Millhaven, Matt Squeal here out 

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West and Kent. 
And then when I got out in nine 

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late 96, I reoffended. 
In 2002 I was looking at 18 to 

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life and I was very fortunate. 
I've gone out of the plans for 

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me. 
I got two years less a day. 

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So that was I was in Victoria 
will consider Road and then from

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there I went to Nanaimo. 
It's called the NCC Nanaimo 

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Correctional Center. 
That's places I had serve time. 

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Wow, that's quite the tour. 
So if you added all the time 

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that you did all together, how 
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Geez. 
I have a lot of time. 

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You know, I didn't as a 
juvenile. 

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I did time as a juvenile. 
I'd say. 

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I say you were from 17 years 
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18 to 17 years. 
We're on that, that light. 

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That's a lot of time. 
A lot of time, yeah, a lot of 

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time. 
But like my call, they calls Bay

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before I went to the before I 
got sentence. 

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I did six months. 
And then when I went into the 

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Calls Bay I did and to oh I went
to bath camp. 

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Excuse me, I I went to bath camp
too and also went to a camp in 

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out here at West called Alba 
Lake. 

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So I did see two camps, but I 
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Calls Bay, my first, my first 
stunt, I did it inside there, 

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approximately 14 to 15 months 
inside the Bay. 

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And then I got transferred. 
And yeah, then I got transferred

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to a lower security, which is 
bath camp because, you know, is 

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a modern, a good, a good 
prisoner. 

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So, you know, he's doing my 
courses and my programs that I 

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was assigned to. 
And yeah, I went to a lower 

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security and there I got to go 
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at security risk. 
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they looked at all of that and 
they gave me that parole, which 

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got me into a halfway house. 
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So I did, Yeah. 
So I did about two, 2 1/2 years 

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in total. 
Like, out of that and that five 

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years, I did 2 1/2 years of it 
Inside. 

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Inside. 
Inside. 

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Bucked up. 
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Not including the dead time with
the dead time. 

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Okay, so we ended the the last 
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Serious charges. 
Was there a trial? 

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Just know there was a 
preliminary hearing. 

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Once we get the preliminary 
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trial within a trial. 
It's you go up, you see what the

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credit attorney has, what 
evidence they have, and then you

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have the option if you feel that
they don't have enough you. 

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Take it to trial, but us. 
Listen, my Lord and I, listening

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to their evidence. 
I I was there's no way I could 

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go and trial and beat that case.
So I ended up making a deal on 

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that, on that charge. 
So no, there was no trial, just 

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a preliminary hearing. 
And what was your sentence for 

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that? 
I got five years for it. 

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I have three years for the 
extortion and the two years for 

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taking his car during that 
extortion. 

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Well, five years, yeah. 
So you we had like, you know, a 

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conversation after the podcast 
and you were, you know, taught 

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you were talking about, you 
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you went in on your first day. 
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So you are the average prisoner 
and you had you had St. 

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reputation and some pretty high 
up people vouched for you. 

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Yeah, very. 
Yes, yes, yes. 

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Well, it's in the bike club, but
like my my ex wife's. 

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My exwife's sister went out with
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chapter club and she was doing 
Tiger Virginia for smuggling oil

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and anyways because I had 
called, I had they were they 

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were contact so you know I did 
work for them and they gave me 

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work so but anyways when I went 
to when I went to prison. 

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They had their boys making it. 
They told the boys to look out 

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for me and make it nice and 
comfy there for me. 

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OK, so maybe you explain to the 
listeners how this is important,

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like how this helped you like 
this. 

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Really. 
Maybe break that down. 

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Big time. 
You know when you when you walk 

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into an institution, you got 
nothing. 

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You know you have nothing. 
They give you your greens, your 

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your, the prison clothes, You 
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your blankets, your sheets and 
that's it. 

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So when I got in there, you 
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away I I got my I they had to be
track pants and T-shirts that if

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I did, I didn't smoke. 
But they if I wanted cigarettes,

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I, you know, anything and 
everything that I needed, I got.

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You know, he just helped me 
right away with everything. 

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Stamps, canteen, you know, food,
all kinds of stuff. 

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Yeah, I was. 
It was big. 

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It was a big help for me. 
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currency in prison, right? 
Yes, cigarettes and stamps are 

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currency. 
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like the inmate hierarchy inside
for the listeners. 

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Well, it comes in clicks. 
So you have clicks. 

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You got, you know, you got your 
Bifa. 

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Your Bifa is it would be the 
black group and then you have 

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your native brotherhood, then 
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you got your East End to, you 
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then you got your Italian crew. 
So yeah, you got your cruise and

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then within your cruise. 
You know, you know, you've got a

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lot of serious players in your 
crew and in the more serious 

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players in your crew, the 
hardest, stronger your crew is 

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in this and the more fear you 
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And what would he say? 
Yeah, sorry man. 

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What would you say the the most 
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especially if you're a new 
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First the first what I was told 
my E Well, this same thing I 

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tell anybody that was told to 
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First thing, do not go into 
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You just never go into debt. 
You don't go into debt that you 

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can't pay. 
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somebody in the eyes that you 
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You tell them, look somebody in 
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There's a word called goof. 
You don't call somebody a goof? 

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Yeah, that's take care too. 
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Those you just bottom line, you 
don't call them a goof, Yeah. 

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And yeah, I just keep keep keep 
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Just mind your own business. 
Do your own time is that's a 

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model of mine. 
You got your friends and you 

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know, don't be talking about 
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just be straight, be solid, be 
respectful and anybody. 

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OK, cool. 
So tell me about what what's the

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consequence when these rules are
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And maybe expand on how are 
disputes handled. 

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Well every disputes handled 
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everybody is it depends who you 
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But it depends you know like if 
somebody if I know if you're in 

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the if you're anywhere where 
where there's people inmates or 

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all somebody calls you a goof 
right there. 

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You better deal with it right 
then and then you have to deal 

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with it. 
You just don't you have to deal 

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with it. 
You just have to. 

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If you don't deal with it, then 
you're you might as well. 

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Back up and go into into 
protection, custody. 

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You have to deal with it. 
If you're in debt and there's 

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problems, you know you, you know
if you can work it out, you go 

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to your, your, your crew. 
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with the crew and tell hey, this
is what's happening. 

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I got myself in debt. 
I was supposed to have the money

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today, but whatever reason, I 
don't have it, but I can have it

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at this certain time and okay. 
So then you know you're going. 

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To the other person and say, 
listen, we'll pay that, we'll 

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pay that up and we'll pay 
interest and you know, which 

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would be 25 points on it cuz I 
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on it and that's that. 
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know, fighting, you know, yeah, 
they're still metrics. 

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First fights didn't ship people.
So yeah, it's about the money is

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you want to talk to your crew. 
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your lifeline and yeah, your 
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your crew will talk. 
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your the part the that party who
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that person will probably more 
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Just make sure that it that 
there's no problems and that's 

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how it's duty dealt with. 
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have a bit of a sit down and try
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and that occurs, right? 
Exactly, exactly. 

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Yeah, maybe you break down the 
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of the life of a inmate, 
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But they had like there, you 
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first three in the morning at 
6:30. 

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The the, the, the gate. 
Your cell doors will be open at 

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6:30. 
And you have an option to make 

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Brooke, you know, to go to 
breakfast or not. 

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So 630 by 7:30, you'll be back 
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You know you're back in your 
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They'll call work up at 7:30, 
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of there in your workplace by 
8:00. 

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And then you'll put in about 2 
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At your workplace till 11:30 
you'll be released out of there 

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at your workplace at 11:30 and 
you'll be sent back to your to 

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your door where your cells are 
and by 12:00 it'll be count up 

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and then they'll do that count 
and what's count is clear. 

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You will make lunch at 12:30 and
by wondering about 1:00 a little

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after one they'll call work up. 
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And you should be at your 
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And then you'll be you'll be 
there till 3:30, you'll be 

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released out of that your 
workplace by 3:30 and then count

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will be at four, maybe a few 
minutes after four once count is

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cleared AT4 supper time. 
You know you have the option 

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again at every meal you have a 
choice, you want to go or not go

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if you can go and then after 
supper you know they'll do a 

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another count and then after 
that count we'll do a yard. 

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You have the option to go to 
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the gym and that's an hour and a
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And after an hour and a half, 
you can either stay there or 

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not. 
Now if you prefer not to go to 

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the gym during that time, you 
can stay there and be playing 

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cards with your friends. 
So you know whether the guys on 

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the on your range, right? 
So that's your first count, your

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first, your first yard up, so 
now they'll call, then they'll 

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call okay change over. 
So now the second change over is

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happening. 
If you want to go to the gym or 

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the yard, you can or not. 
Again, you just you can still be

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playing. 
Cards with your buddies. 

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That's two changeovers. 
You can be playing cards if you 

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don't want to go to gym. 
So there's two changeovers now 

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two gyms. 
So the last one it'll be at 

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9:30. 
Then you got 1/2 an hour. 

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Once they say you got yards over
you, you better rush to the 

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range, get showered up because 
at 10:00 that just you're 

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getting locked up And then then 
that's your Damon. 

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It's actually a pretty busy day.
Yeah, it can't be busy if you 

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want it to be. 
It's all it's all up to you. 

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Right. 
Right. 

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No, I make so I'll. 
See you how you do your time, 

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maybe talk about contraband and 
how does it get in. 

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Contraband. 
There's many ways to contraband 

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coming in many ways. 
So you can get in by the guards 

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you got money and I need if you 
know you know if you. 

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You to get a copper to work to 
first of all to get a copper to 

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bring you into touch your bed. 
It's it just doesn't happen 

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overnight. 
You know the copper will will 

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have to know you for quite a lot
of time and knowing that you're 

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not in an apartment and once 
you're trusted a copper will do 

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it for you. 
But that costs money, of course.

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And then the other ways of 
bringing in is to visits. 

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And which are you know normal 
visits when your family and 

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friends will come to visit you 
which is when you get when you 

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come to visit you're going to be
either strip searched or not and

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and to bring to bring drugs that
that's in your in your cavity 

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it'll be visitor cavity. 
So yeah, it's in their cavity 

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and then once you're in the 
visiting room, that comes out of

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their cavity there. 
Unless there were a naive enough

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to go into the washroom, take 
the kids when you go and leave 

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your visiting room to go into 
the washroom, visitors washroom 

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on the outside you they can get 
searched coming back in. 

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So so move the move. 
The more experienced person 

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bringing drugs, they won't do 
it. 

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They do it right there in the 
visiting room. 

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They do the exchange and the and
the the MA would take that. 

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They take it from the the person
that's bringing the drugs and 

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they would put in their cavity. 
And that's how it's brought in 

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the visiting room. 
And then you have to be at 

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these, which is private family 
visits, Which are, Yeah, Which? 

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Which people get every three 
months if they are married, they

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have family and they and they're
good inmates, right. 

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Trouble. 
Second award of. 

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Course, yeah, they're good. 
Good standard, good standing 

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under when the institution 
you'll get these this, you'll 

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get these visits. 
They're not. 

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They're earned. 
Just don't get them. 

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They're earned and a lot of 
drugs come in from from them 

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visits And then there's socials.
Now the the institution itself 

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has social Christmas socials. 
They have a Christmas social. 

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They have about 3 socials the 
institution holds for the 

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inmates. 
So a lot of drugs will come in 

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that way which they would. 
That means what happens is. 

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Family friends will come from 
the outside, will come right 

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inside into the institution, 
right inside there. 

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And it's the, the, the, the 
social will probably be, if it's

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the winter cry, there's just 
Christmas inside the gym, right.

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So there'll be tables in the 
chairs and it'll be a big 

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spread. 
You might have a band that, you 

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know, the inmate band and yeah, 
so you're right there. 

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So it's easy to pass the drugs, 
you know, very easily there. 

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And also you had the groups like
that I mentioned, you had the 

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best father black groups, you 
have the Italian group, you have

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the French group, you have these
groups. 

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And these groups are allowed to 
have socials too, right? 

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So each clique has their own 
social. 

285
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Right. 
Yeah, so, so now during them 

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socials, they come into the 
inside your your, your guests 

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are allowed to come into the 
institution to spend time which 

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we have our money. 
They may say that we have a big 

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spread of food and. 
And fruits, you know, we could. 

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It's forwarded from outside. 
You know, lobster stings, 

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whatever. 
We whatever You want to speed 

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that feed yourself, you order 
it. 

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And yeah, there's no jokes 
coming that way. 

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You're mentioning the 
consequences if you were the 

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inmate that did something that 
had one of these events 

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cancelled. 
Oh, my God. 

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Yeah. 
You know, yeah. 

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No. 
That's a bad, bad thing. 

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See, just the rule, the rule is 
this. 

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If we have a problem, if there's
a problem and there's a social 

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coming up, that's when the 
group, you know we will deal 

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with it. 
You know, we'll have the meeting

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within with with each other and 
we try to solve it because we 

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don't want that, we don't want 
that, that social to. 

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I can't screw it under any 
circumstances because a lot of 

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people are relying on that. 
That's, you know what I mean? 

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That's the lifeline. 
Those socials are lifelines. 

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So, yeah, so you don't want to 
screw that up. 

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I mean, there's people that you 
know, have, you know, stab to 

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kill people because they had to,
you know. 

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But it's social sometimes, You 
know, again, it depends how. 

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But when the incident happened, 
right? 

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How close it is? 
If it's the same week, this 

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social will happen, right? 
This will not happen. 

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If it's like maybe 3 weeks 
before, the good chances it will

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happen, the closer to the social
it will not happen. 

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Right. 
So everyone tries to stay on 

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their best behavior for those 
these socials. 

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Yes, yes, yes. 
Again. 

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Like I said, it's a lifeline, 
man. 

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It's everybody's lifeline, these
socials. 

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Yeah, maybe break down a little 
bit of the the guard inmate 

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relationships. 
Yeah, just, you know, you got 

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your young guys doing small time
and you got your guys who doing 

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your big time, right? 
And everybody's different, 

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everybody's different. 
And you know, before before a 

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guards go on shift and every new
mate comes in to, the guards 

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will have a meeting to talk 
about a new inmate who has come 

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in. 
Like for myself, example, you 

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know, you know the first time I 
come to tell him, like this guy 

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who's a serious offender, 
they'll tell him my charge. 

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You know, he's violent. 
So, you know, be careful. 

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So now knowing that these guys 
don't, you know, no, no sensible

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man will want to get on my bad 
side. 

335
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You know, it just don't want 
that to happen. 

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So. 
They'll observe me and they 

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want. 
I'll give them the respect and 

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they'll give me the respect. 
Everything is again goes on 

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respect, right. 
Yeah. 

340
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So you know once they see. 
Once you earn their respect and 

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they earn my. 
They earn my respect, you know. 

342
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Hey, boss. 
You know hey, hey, Mr. Bell. 

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You know. 
Yeah. 

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Hey, it's like he's just, he 
tried try to keep things close, 

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all down. 
He's cool. 

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But you know again once you've 
been there for years and they've

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been there for years. 
You know you you gain that 

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friendship with them. 
They you know, they just, they 

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they turn they turn an eye on to
on little trivial things. 

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You just turn an eye they won't 
bother you on. 

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You know you're getting a tattoo
which is against against the 

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policy there and if they catch, 
if they caught me getting a 

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tattoo that's up and you know 
like come on man, they'll put it

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away. 
Right. 

355
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None of my ship. 
Sorry boss. 

356
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You know. 
So yeah, you got a lot of good 

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coppers like that, and then you 
got a lot of, then you got a lot

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of coppers that are idiots. 
So it works is how it works. 

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What are some of the the 
punishments that the institution

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can implement like for like 
infractions and stuff? 

361
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Maybe get into that a little 
bit. 

362
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Well, there's a lot. 
You know, there's one that it's 

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called the good order of the 
institution. 

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Now this act here. 
It happened to me at a good 

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order of the institution. 
They can lock you up and they 

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can keep you there as long as 
they want the whole, yeah. 

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So you don't want to get back on
you. 

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Then there's a you know, like if
you get caught smoking or caught

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drinking booze, or you know 
you're making caught, caught 

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making shine or you got in a 
fight or something, you know you

371
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could go to those. 
You better go to segregation and

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there is you'd have yours. 
They have called the segregation

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court and they'll still. 
It's like a trial. 

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It was in you know you know you 
the the deputy warden will come 

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sit down and you have the 
warden. 

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They'll hear your case and your 
charge and then as either you're

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doing the Week, 2 weeks, a 
month, two months, they'll all. 

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So yeah, there's a lot of 
fractions. 

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I all day. 
I can be here all day telling 

380
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you that, you know, missing you 
fractions. 

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Yeah, a lot of them okay. 
So now let's say okay. 

382
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So this this sentence that when 
Collins Bay was three years. 

383
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Right. 
So you're doing your time. 

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Tell me what it's like leading 
up to the day of your release. 

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So especially like say though 
the the week, the week of and 

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then the last day, the last 24 
hours inside when you know 

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you're going to be on the 
outside. 

388
00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:05,900
Well, yeah. 
It's it's it's like a TV. 

389
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It's like a TV set. 
Your head's like a spinning and 

390
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spinning. 
You're not sleeping at night 

391
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very well and all you're doing 
is thinking, well, you know what

392
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you're going to do when you get 
out, you know? 

393
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:21,460
Yeah, it's just spinning. 
Your head's just spinning. 

394
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No matter who you are that week,
it's the toughest week. 

395
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And the last day you're not 
sleeping. 

396
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You know, sleeping. 
And then if you're a coffee or a

397
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guy, you know, you got friends, 
they're going to, they're going 

398
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to, they're going to, they're 
going to play a joke on you, on 

399
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your on that last day before you
get locked out. 

400
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,160
They're going to do something 
silly on you and you know, like 

401
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while you're in the shower, 
they're going to put some heat 

402
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,040
rub in your shorts or something.
Can you put them on? 

403
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,400
Or if you're going, or if you or
where you're in the shower, 

404
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,360
They're going to Saran wrap your
toilet. 

405
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,100
So what? 
Yeah, So when you're taking a 

406
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pee at night, you get all turn 
your legs right and then you 

407
00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:06,620
all, it's not going into the 
toilets, right? 

408
00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:07,980
Yeah, I'm making a big mess. 
So you. 

409
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:11,420
Know, you get practical jokes 
like that too, but you're not 

410
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sleeping. 
Guaranteed you're not sleeping. 

411
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:16,180
Have you ever seen situations 
where people, especially the 

412
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people, are serving long 
stretches or are jealous and 

413
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maybe try to sabotage someone's 
early release out of jealousy or

414
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spitefulness? 
You know, yeah, you get a lot 

415
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of, you got a lot of weird 
players, man. 

416
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:33,790
Yeah, I have seen a lot of 
stupid shit, man. 

417
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:35,990
But you know what? 
Sometimes these people get 

418
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caught for doing it, I tell you,
because with everybody's getting

419
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a click, man. 
And yeah, you know, you get it, 

420
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but if that person gets gets 
found out doing it, it could be 

421
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repercussions doing it. 
You know what I mean? 

422
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Because yeah, you don't want to 
be getting caught to a childish 

423
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stuff, man. 
Because, yeah, jealousy runs 

424
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rapid in there big time. 
And you know, there's a just 

425
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called, there's a thing called 
the kite box when I mean kites, 

426
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,950
you know, like if you're flying 
a kite, right, These kites, 

427
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:09,310
yeah, it's like a kite box to 
put a they'll write AP on a 

428
00:26:09,310 --> 00:26:14,350
piece of paper and they'll say, 
yeah, the devil's, he's selling 

429
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:17,190
drugs. 
And then they'll just throw it 

430
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:19,310
in the kite box, right. 
A little snitching. 

431
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,360
But they're called the 
suggestion box, yeah? 

432
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,640
That's what it is. 
Kite box. 

433
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,080
So, yeah, people will rat on you
just to put steam on you, right?

434
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,640
Yeah. 
So yeah, you get a lot of that 

435
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,600
kind of nonsense going on in 
there, too. 

436
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

437
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Modeled it. 
But I tell you, if the person 

438
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gets caught, he's good as dead, 
right? 

439
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,640
Yeah, I know. 
I could see that. 

440
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,240
Would definitely make some 
enemies doing that, definitely. 

441
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Good as dead. 
So when you get on the outside 

442
00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:50,110
for the first time, what What's 
the What does the world look 

443
00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,390
like after being inside for so 
long? 

444
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:54,470
Wow. 
Wow. 

445
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:58,470
Yeah. 
This is it's, it's it's big. 

446
00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:01,270
It's big. 
Yeah, it's big. 

447
00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:05,270
You can smell things and you can
taste things in the air. 

448
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:10,230
And just thinking about, that's 
the first thing I did was, you 

449
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:13,550
know, I was tasting the air. 
Yeah. 

450
00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:16,650
You know again you know that 
that you were up. 

451
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:19,450
You know you've been thinking 
with that your whole day which 

452
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:22,770
you're going to do and you know 
and it depends like some people 

453
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:25,010
when you get out you go on 
straight to the halfway 

454
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:28,690
household. 
Yeah you're you're you're 

455
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:33,370
limited on what you can do and 
yeah and then there's people 

456
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:37,450
that will get out straight on 
their mandatory they did the the

457
00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:42,130
jitter time and then the the 2/3
that's their good time. 

458
00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:44,630
They get released. 
So wait for that. 

459
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:47,510
If you're on your you go. 
If you go wait to the parole 

460
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:53,710
board, parole office, you sign 
in and you know and then you're 

461
00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:54,910
free. 
But every once. 

462
00:27:54,910 --> 00:27:59,270
So once a week you got to go to 
your parole office before the 

463
00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:01,710
for you get. 
So you have three years left on 

464
00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:04,230
your good time. 
So every month or every week 

465
00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:06,670
you've got to go to see your 
parole office. 

466
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,150
Yeah. 
And you know and Even so you 

467
00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:13,390
can't be a drug. 
You can't do drugs. 

468
00:28:13,670 --> 00:28:16,990
Even though you did your time 
like you, you know you still got

469
00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:20,670
that that three, three-year that
the 2/3 left. 

470
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:23,830
You still have to abide by the 
rules on the street. 

471
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:28,230
You know your analysis. 
You got to have a job, you know,

472
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:31,390
you know you gotta, you gotta, 
you gotta, you gotta play right 

473
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:34,830
Or you know, you're sold in the 
under a microscope. 

474
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:38,390
Yeah, you're under a microscope.
And yeah, guaranteed, 

475
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:40,830
guaranteed. 
So as if you get. 

476
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:44,910
If not, you go back to jail 
though the fraction you and then

477
00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:48,110
you go back to jail and then 
you're going to do the rest. 

478
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:50,190
Your then you could do some more
time. 

479
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:53,110
Your good time is take it away 
and then you're doing your time,

480
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:55,870
your good time back in jail for 
you going to fish it off inside,

481
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:57,750
you know? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

482
00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:02,710
So what advice would you give 
to, say, a young person listing 

483
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:06,350
right now And they're they're 
either waiting for trial or 

484
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:09,030
there are they got their 
sentence and they're going to be

485
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:13,610
going inside for the first time?
I was told the same thing that 

486
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:17,730
was told to me, but do not go 
into debt. 

487
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:23,370
Do not go into debt. 
Whatever you do, don't don't be,

488
00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:27,130
don't be. 
If you do drugs, don't do drugs,

489
00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:29,410
man. 
Whatever you do in there, don't 

490
00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:31,850
get into that scene. 
Because if you are into that 

491
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:34,770
scene, you're not going to, 
you're going to do, you're going

492
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:37,050
to do all your time. 
You're all the time. 

493
00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:39,570
I I was you. 
I would. 

494
00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:43,380
Do the programs, all that. 
Your, your case, your 

495
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:46,660
caseworking has a sign for you 
because when you go in you're 

496
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:50,620
going to see a caseworker. 
And if you know and he's going 

497
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:52,940
to sit down and say, well, I 
want you to do this program, I 

498
00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:55,140
want you to this program, I want
you to go to school or he wants 

499
00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:57,420
you to go to work and you're 
going to do it. 

500
00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:01,820
You've got to do all those 
things and anything more you can

501
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:05,340
do, do it. 
Never mind trying to be a hero. 

502
00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:09,620
Don't try to be popular if you 
want to get out. 

503
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,120
If you got family, you got 
friends, do things right. 

504
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,120
If you got nobody and you, you 
know, and that's the way you 

505
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,800
are, you know, like you don't 
give a shit. 

506
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Well, in power to you, buddy. 
You know, we're saying, yeah, 

507
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,080
it's going to be a rough go for 
you. 

508
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,920
It's going to be a rough go for 
you. 

509
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,480
But yeah, that's the advice how 
you give just, you know, what 

510
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,120
about acting? 
What about acting like a tough 

511
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,170
guy, trying to go in there and 
acting like you're a real tough 

512
00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:40,450
guy, maybe yet have insecurity, 
but still putting on the act? 

513
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:44,250
You're gonna get you gonna put, 
you gonna get put down, easy as 

514
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:45,530
that. 
You're gonna get put down. 

515
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:48,330
You're gonna get put down if 
somebody doesn't like you. 

516
00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:50,810
People gonna like you. 
Somebody don't like you. 

517
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:54,690
Just cuz you don't know nobody. 
You're gonna get put down so 

518
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:56,570
quick. 
It's gonna you're not even be 

519
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:58,370
there long. 
You're gonna get punched out 

520
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,730
stabbed. 
You're not gonna be there long. 

521
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280
You don't want to go in there 
with a chip on your shoulder 

522
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,560
thinking you're all that, a bag 
of chips that because you're 

523
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,040
gonna be put down. 
That's probably one of the worst

524
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,880
things he can do, right? 
For me, that's probably one of 

525
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,840
the worst things he can do. 
Oh yeah, you know you're in 

526
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,000
there with you were there with 
murderers and killers and you 

527
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,880
know you were some real toughest
rituals man. 

528
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,680
And and tough guys don't fight 
him on. 

529
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,440
We we don't fight among each 
other. 

530
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,590
For what reason? 
I'm not going to get myself 

531
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:33,150
killed For what? 
Or hurt for what, You know. 

532
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,030
I know. 
We just don't. 

533
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:38,230
So if a guy's performing like 
that, Oh yeah, Mad. 

534
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,510
It's not you. 
And it's not just one guy. 

535
00:31:40,790 --> 00:31:42,830
You're going to have 3-4, five 
guys on you. 

536
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:47,030
It's going to wipe you out, man.
Yeah, man. 

537
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:50,630
No, you just want to do your, 
like I said, just mind your own 

538
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:58,150
business if you don't know 
nobody you know getting involved

539
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:01,610
in the church group. 
That would be my my number one 

540
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:04,490
suggestion. 
If you know nobody get involved 

541
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:08,570
into the church, get into the 
church group that you know the 

542
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:14,370
committee and talk to the inmate
committee and they will help you

543
00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:17,170
try to. 
You want to you want to try to 

544
00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:21,370
be you want to try to be 
sociable to the right people, 

545
00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:23,930
and that's the right people. 
The inmate committee and the 

546
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:28,740
church group. 
What about people, about people 

547
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,660
that come in and not saying in 
the situation like we're asked 

548
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,700
to, you know, if a person's 
listening and they're going 

549
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,420
inside, But what about people 
who are inside already and 

550
00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:42,020
someone comes in with really bad
charges, like bad paperwork, 

551
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:46,700
like child molester, rapist, or,
you know, that type? 

552
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:51,260
How are those people dealt with?
Well first of all they they're 

553
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:52,980
yeah. 
When you come into they wouldn't

554
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:56,740
be allowed into the institution.
The see what happens is. 

555
00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:02,230
When you first get sentence, 
say, OK, I'm charged with 

556
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:03,270
extortion. 
I was charged. 

557
00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:07,950
My first one was extortion. 
So, OK, so now they look at your

558
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:09,870
charge and they say, OK, that's 
extortion. 

559
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:13,430
Now that's that's serious. 
So they'll send me like you OK, 

560
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:15,990
ready to call Collins Bay or to 
Joyceville. 

561
00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:18,870
But you know, then they look at 
me again. 

562
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:23,430
That's so others my other 
charges prior. 

563
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:26,310
And if there's a lot of bias, 
they'll send me to Collins Bay 

564
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:28,430
because it's gladiator school. 
They. 

565
00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:32,470
Yeah. 
So if you're a rapist and you're

566
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:35,670
a pedophile, you better go to 
protection custody. 

567
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:41,070
That's in Ontario. 
That's called KP Kingston 

568
00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:43,070
Penitentiary. 
I don't know if it's still 

569
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:46,990
active today but yeah the 
Kingston Penitentiary where 

570
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:51,280
where the the sick of all sick 
people go you know so if a guy 

571
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,720
came and and to Collins Bay with
that type of paperwork they 

572
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,120
wouldn't last today. 
So what happens is to with when 

573
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,840
you come in the guy, when you 
get clothing, like you have an 

574
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,680
inmate working with the with the
guards. 

575
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,199
So he sees that paperwork too, 
right. 

576
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,120
And he'll Oh yeah. 
So right away you'll have that 

577
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,320
information and he'll go back 
into the institution and he'll 

578
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,760
just start spreading the word 
like, hey, this guy is this, 

579
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,800
this guy says it. 
Yeah yeah. 

580
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,600
And everybody will hear about it
Then somebody's gonna. 

581
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,679
Yeah everybody somebody's gonna 
react real quick Wow. 

582
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:35,600
And and also you know and you 
even have to be you know like if

583
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,320
you have people on the street 
that have St. 

584
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,199
These when they come in now 
there's a desk problems too 

585
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,159
right. 
So, you know, it's a lot of 

586
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,679
people that have problems on the
streets and then they. 

587
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:51,810
They come in and hey, I remember
you Remember Me and right, yeah,

588
00:34:52,489 --> 00:34:57,010
you were mentioning in one of 
our talks, you know off air that

589
00:34:57,010 --> 00:35:00,170
you you had situations like 
this, like you would come in and

590
00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:02,690
there's people in there that 
were worried about you and you 

591
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:05,610
kind of had to have a sit down 
to kind of squash things. 

592
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:10,010
That was, that was because of 
Eddie Mel that was with the 

593
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:17,240
Campusetti organization. 
That Eddie Melody of course you 

594
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,280
know Eddie melted before 
fighting my brother. 

595
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,840
They tried to kill Eddie and 
Frank Rhoda and I've been doing 

596
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,840
time in calls Bay So now the 
campus a brothers got convicted 

597
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,200
of that crime of attempt murder 
you know trying to bomb Eddie 

598
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
and that Frank Rhoda. 
So now they're here in calls Bay

599
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,680
and now here I am you know 
Eddie's brother. 

600
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,640
So the inmate. 
The inmate. 

601
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,640
So the institution knows this. 
So the institution will have the

602
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,880
inmate committee come to speak 
to me and then make, well, hey, 

603
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,680
well we got the little problem 
here, The Capsetti brothers are 

604
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,240
are here And you know, of course
I know about that now because I 

605
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:07,000
know the institution knows this 
a lot is riding on what I'm 

606
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,800
going to say and do here because
now I got the institution 

607
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,400
looking at me, right. 
So firstly. 

608
00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:20,430
I because it's a street beef. 
I had to image, I had to make me

609
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:24,750
say to them first of all, is 
this now he's convicted, you 

610
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:26,950
guys are convicted. 
Is this beef between you and 

611
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:30,270
Eddie over with though or is 
this going to continue when you 

612
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:34,110
get released. 
So if they said that this beef 

613
00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:36,790
was not over and it was going to
continue, when they got on the 

614
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:39,790
release, they were coming in 
there because if they came in 

615
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:42,310
there beep, would it would it 
would have been. 

616
00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:46,900
Yeah, it would been problems. 
But they said, no, it's over 

617
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,140
with. 
You know, we want to get our 

618
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:49,060
lives over. 
It's over. 

619
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:51,020
It's over. 
So, yeah, Well, come on in. 

620
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:52,460
Let's do our time. 
Let's get along. 

621
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:56,020
So yeah, that's what happened in
my case. 

622
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:58,980
So I told him no, everything he 
told me. 

623
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:01,900
Know that. 
But they're it's over with that.

624
00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:04,860
They're going to do their time 
and they're gonna set a new 

625
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:06,180
life. 
And that was that much. 

626
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:07,300
Yeah. 
Well, come on in then. 

627
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,620
You're welcome. 
I mean, so yeah. 

628
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:12,500
Wow. 
Intense. 

629
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:16,860
Yeah, it wasn't. 
So after the last podcast, and 

630
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:21,540
then you know we talked after 
you wanted to say say some words

631
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,620
for someone that you know that 
you wanted to say. 

632
00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:25,940
Rico, man. 
Yeah. 

633
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:28,020
Rico, he was just he was my 
driver. 

634
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:30,420
He was like, he was my call for 
John. 

635
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:35,860
This guy was my brother. 
He he's still alive today. 

636
00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:38,260
He's a married man. 
He's got 4 kids, he's got 

637
00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:41,380
grandkids and when he was out 
there. 

638
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:46,780
Working with me he had two jobs 
and I look gangster monster and 

639
00:37:46,780 --> 00:37:50,260
I was helping him make extra 
money you know and I keep him 

640
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:54,820
out of trouble and he got 
convicted with me on the on the 

641
00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:56,940
extortion but it was his first 
offense. 

642
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:59,980
He got three months for it and 
he did weekends on it. 

643
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:03,100
I felt so bad. 
That and I even when I had that 

644
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,700
extortion I had him like a long 
ways away. 

645
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,780
You know what I mean? 
But anyway, so I wanted to 

646
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:11,240
mention Rico. 
Because I love the guy very 

647
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,400
much. 
She's like my brother. 

648
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,960
And today he's doing very well. 
He's, you know, he's retired now

649
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,600
and he's a grandfather. 
And yeah, I'm very proud of my 

650
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
my brother Rico about that's a 
soul man. 

651
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,440
So I wanted, yeah, I just wanted
to say those words. 

652
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Oh, that's awesome. 
That's amazing. 

653
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Well, it's not many people 
survive this life, as you've 

654
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,520
been telling me. 
And no, not many people, man. 

655
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,000
Just. 
Not many people. 

656
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,000
I believe God has a plan for me 
because I couldn't do what God 

657
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,280
did. 
Like, you know, I don't know how

658
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,400
many times my mother, but she 
was alive. 

659
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,680
And my father when they were 
alive, they prayed for me and 

660
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,240
hope that I would change. 
My dad got, but he used to call 

661
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:58,160
me a mafia bastard. 
Yeah, that's what she used to 

662
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,880
call me. 
You know, but he used to pray 

663
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,160
for me, man. 
And my mom, you know. 

664
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,280
I used to catch over me throwing
holy oil water on me. 

665
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
And I'm with you doing. 
I'm waking up from a dead 

666
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000
sleeping oil splashed on my 
face. 

667
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,200
My mother was a nun, you know. 
Yeah, yeah. 

668
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,440
I don't pray for you. 
I want you to to be normal. 

669
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,000
And you know, so anyways, you 
know, I couldn't do it. 

670
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,600
I tried. 
I don't know how many times I 

671
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000
just couldn't do it. 
But God came into my life and 

672
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,710
saved me so. 
Yeah. 

673
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:33,870
I appreciate your here telling 
your story and spending the time

674
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:36,550
with me to tell your story. 
So I'm, I'm honored. 

675
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:37,990
So I really appreciate you, 
David. 

676
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:39,070
Thank you so much. 
Oh, thank. 

677
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:41,070
You mad? 
And God bless you, buddy. 

678
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:44,390
I appreciate this time being 
able to help somebody. 

679
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:46,870
If I can help somebody, I'm 
honored. 

680
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:48,790
I'm Robert. 
Thank you. 

681
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:51,150
You have a great day. 
Thank you man and. 

682
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,030
You too, God bless you, my 
friend.