1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,960 How you went from a tough St. kid to being a serious gangster 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,920 when? I first started working the gas 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,920 works so that, you know, I was just 17 years old. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,600 I was even age to work there that you know, it's like I said 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,280 it's pumping weights and you know, I was had some stairways 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,720 that he was a strong looking guy and I was a tough kid. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,560 I've always was a tough kid. But now working in the gas work, 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,600 I was in a man's world. I felt that I had to prove 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,520 myself. The proving ground, that was a 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,800 place to prove myself. It was a true proving ground, 11 00:00:30,270 --> 00:00:32,910 thriving in a very shark and fasted environment. 12 00:00:34,830 --> 00:00:37,830 Yeah, exactly. I, you know, I had to prove 13 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:41,710 myself and I felt I had to prove myself and I had many of 14 00:00:41,710 --> 00:00:45,190 opportunities to do so. And and each one I did, I 15 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:49,430 always, I came out on top because you couldn't lose. 16 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:52,040 You just couldn't lose. So anyways, yeah, I became, you 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,600 know, each day I got stronger and stronger. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,480 And when I met Eddie and started hanging out with Eddie, you 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,880 know, I started started taking me to the Boston club. 20 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,760 Now I was getting skilled. So now I was, you know, becoming 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,040 a sharpshooter, You know what I mean? 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Now I knew where to hit and how to hit, how to use my body 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 weight. And you know, I was good. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,360 How many days a week would you be training and boxing at this 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,640 stage? I'd be training. 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,160 It's seven days a week and I'd be running every day. 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,640 So yeah man it was it was every day every day and now and every 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,160 day no rest. I I never rested like you know 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,200 I'm weightlifting would have a day off and couple of now I'm 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,160 boxing. I I was young I always said you 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,800 don't care that and there was no such thing as rest for me about. 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,920 I just ran and ran and I trained every. 33 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:43,460 Hey, and that's why it became good so quick. 34 00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:46,580 So you were getting the reputation as a tough guy, 35 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:48,220 right? You're getting the attention of 36 00:01:48,220 --> 00:01:51,700 important people, mobster gangsters, pro boxers like Eddie 37 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:54,380 Mellow. You told me about a situation. 38 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:57,380 This is when you were still working at the Gas Works you 39 00:01:57,380 --> 00:02:00,020 had. You gave two men a very serious 40 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:02,300 beat down. Maybe like breakdown, that 41 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:04,180 story. Yeah. 42 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:06,980 Well, yeah, I was taking, you know, at the gas works, you 43 00:02:06,980 --> 00:02:10,960 know, do you have a, you had a. A lot of the crowd there that 44 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,160 you know, you had all kinds of people. 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,640 You had working girls there, you had drug dealers there, you had 46 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,560 clientele, good clientele, people that come in after work 47 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,720 to drink and party, you know, on the weekends to come listen to 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,840 the band. So you had a variety of people 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,320 there anyways, you know, and and the wrinklers, a lot of them 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,800 were working girls, you know, they come in there, they eat 51 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,960 food and I thought to know them and I, you know, I they were my 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,240 friends and a lot of, you know, I was young then. 53 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:41,580 A lot of girls I slept with. So you know we I got to know 54 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:44,460 them and I became I was their protector. 55 00:02:46,140 --> 00:02:51,100 Anyways, there was one girl, her name was Linda and we became 56 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:54,500 very close and she used to give me money, you know she used to 57 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:56,380 make a lot of money and she used to help me out. 58 00:02:56,380 --> 00:03:00,060 She used to still for taking care of her, you know, I saw I, 59 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,580 you know she was shoot me when I wasn't a damn place. 60 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:05,340 Just took care of him. So anyways, one day. 61 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,440 She said she was going out and, you know, she would check in 62 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,720 the, you know, say I'll be back at a certain time. 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,640 Well, she didn't come back this certain time. 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,480 You know, the club closed by at 2:30. 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,280 The doors are closed. You know, the doors are closed. 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,440 I go home. You know, it's the bars finished 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,480 at 2:00 in the morning. So anyway, they don't hear from 68 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,280 her. No phone call. 69 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,800 I go to sleep at home. I come back next day at working 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,520 or at working time and today. Oh, nine, 10:00. 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,560 Here she comes. I was. 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Where were you? I've been worried sick about 73 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,200 you. And she said she's all, like, 74 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,160 all messed up. She says, David, these guys at 75 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,880 the hotel had me hostage. I said what she says, Yeah, I 76 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,280 just got out now from this hotel room. 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,440 They they they raped me for all this time. 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,520 And I livid. Oh, yeah, I was livid. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,880 So I go to the big man. His name was Pete. 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,680 As a Pete, I got to take off for an hour. 81 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,890 You mind buddy? It was not big guys. 82 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:06,850 You go ahead. So I grabbed a friend of mine, 83 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:09,570 all mental name. I grabbed the first come with me 84 00:04:09,570 --> 00:04:11,010 and watch my back, He says, Yeah, yeah. 85 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:15,410 So we go to the hotel like so before. 86 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:17,130 So she starts to tell the girl, take me to the. 87 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:20,050 She takes me to the hotel. So I said, now you knock on that 88 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:24,490 door and then when they ask you who it is, say it's you and you 89 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:26,850 forgot something there. So she says. 90 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:29,540 All right. So before he he did that I saw 91 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:32,740 me and my buddy he hit behind this one sided door and I hit on 92 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:34,420 one side of the door because of the people. 93 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:40,500 So she knocks on the door and she go, it's me and Linda, I I 94 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:43,300 forgot something so the door opens right away and they kind 95 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:45,300 of opened her. It was like crazy. 96 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:47,660 Said you're all your back and they wanted to grab her. 97 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:50,140 Instead we I kicked that door and so. 98 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:53,450 Yeah, yeah, you know I seen buddy. 99 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:56,650 I I no talking, no nothing because the story is already 100 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:59,370 told to me. So I just start beating on this 101 00:04:59,370 --> 00:05:00,690 guy. The first guy I see, I just 102 00:05:00,690 --> 00:05:05,050 start beating on him and my buddy he just he ran in behind 103 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:07,650 me and grabbed the other guy and start beating on him. 104 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:11,690 So this guy I'm beating on him I, you know I looked at him he 105 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:14,250 he was told so I am not going to hit him anymore. 106 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:16,450 I think I was going to kill him. So I just left him alone. 107 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:20,770 So now the guy that was still still coherent. 108 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:24,460 I tell him on our way out, you know, give us the money. 109 00:05:24,460 --> 00:05:28,740 Give her the money that you owe her and if you say anything 110 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:32,780 about anything you know you're you're we're going to get your 111 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:36,780 ass because we before we left, we had our it we had everything 112 00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:40,500 on them, right. So anyways, a couple of days 113 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:43,780 later, you know, like I said, we have I have a report with these 114 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:46,330 working girls. They come to me to date. 115 00:05:46,370 --> 00:05:49,890 There's a couple of guys from Buffalo and they're looking for 116 00:05:49,890 --> 00:05:51,250 you. They want to kill you. 117 00:05:51,690 --> 00:05:56,130 So what I said we're talking about she go through you. 118 00:05:56,170 --> 00:05:58,810 You you had a fight with somebody in a hotel. 119 00:05:58,850 --> 00:06:00,290 And I said, Oh yeah, what up? Yeah. 120 00:06:00,290 --> 00:06:02,290 And I'd explain to the girls what happened. 121 00:06:02,290 --> 00:06:05,170 I said, she says, Oh yeah, the guy's in a coma. 122 00:06:05,170 --> 00:06:07,930 Oh my God. And they're saying that you went 123 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:10,250 in there and you robbed them and you beat them. 124 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:14,300 There was a rip off and what? So anyway, to make a Long story 125 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:19,540 short, this guy that was coherent, he like these two guys 126 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:23,220 were here on in on business. I'm not going to stay with city 127 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:25,660 or anything. They were on, they were, they 128 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:29,980 were on business. And these two guys were supposed 129 00:06:29,980 --> 00:06:32,780 to go to a racetrack. They had information, you know, 130 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:36,100 dealing this of these guys were connected with them up and they 131 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:38,980 had, you know, setting up races and this and that and they 132 00:06:38,980 --> 00:06:41,220 couldn't do it. And now a lot of them. 133 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:44,500 A lot of money is wasted and a lot of people are. 134 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:49,020 And this guy and this guy who was still coherent, he's the 135 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:51,580 blind making himself look good, you know. 136 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:53,860 You know, he didn't tell him the truth. 137 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:55,980 We had a guy, we had this girl hostage. 138 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:57,900 We raped her and he didn't say that. 139 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:00,580 No, you made another story up that say we came in there and 140 00:07:00,580 --> 00:07:02,220 robbed. It was just a ripoff. 141 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:07,500 Yeah, but then, but the good thing is about a week later, the 142 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:10,460 guy that was to Nicole up, he came to. 143 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:13,150 And this and this guy was solid, man. 144 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:18,110 He told the he told the the people that were involved that 145 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:21,910 would actually happened. And then yeah. 146 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:23,390 So the heat was off of me. Thank God. 147 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:26,190 Yeah man, I was because I was nobody really. 148 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:28,230 I mean I was just a tough young kid. 149 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:31,390 I had friends but I wasn't connected, connected back 150 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:34,710 totally. Yeah, so you know, the girls 151 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:37,070 had, they loved me because I took care of them and. 152 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:41,150 And they knew the situation. And I know I I was in that kind 153 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:44,870 of a person. And so they took care of me. 154 00:07:44,870 --> 00:07:47,150 They didn't tell those people that you, no matter how much 155 00:07:47,270 --> 00:07:50,870 money they offered the girls, they didn't tell them who I was. 156 00:07:50,910 --> 00:07:52,230 Wow. Well, that's amazing. 157 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:57,310 Yeah, man, that was amazing. One of the things that you were 158 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,830 talking about we're we're having you know talking about you know 159 00:08:00,830 --> 00:08:03,910 your your past and your your story is also you had a 160 00:08:03,910 --> 00:08:06,710 reputation for being extremely ruthless. 161 00:08:07,390 --> 00:08:11,870 I remember you told me the story about these dumb guys, try to 162 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:13,470 pick a fight with you. Then what? 163 00:08:13,470 --> 00:08:16,470 What was the aftermath on that situation? 164 00:08:18,550 --> 00:08:22,990 A bad day that day I was had a fight with argument with my that 165 00:08:22,990 --> 00:08:27,230 time, my fiance, you know we were together for a while. 166 00:08:28,070 --> 00:08:30,710 Anyways, I packed up that day and like you know I'm like 167 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:33,270 clothing and I had a couple of guns. 168 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:37,350 I threw them in my suitcase and. I called my buddy, he says, yo 169 00:08:37,549 --> 00:08:42,150 man, I'm leaving, pick me up. And he couldn't pick me up, so I 170 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:44,430 had to make my way to his end of the town. 171 00:08:44,430 --> 00:08:49,670 So I did. So I'm at the a bus stop in his 172 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:53,270 part of town. So I I I followed them. 173 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:55,590 I said I'm at this location, come pick me up. 174 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:58,870 I'm at bus stop, he says, all right, I'll be coming. 175 00:08:58,870 --> 00:09:01,110 I'll be there in 10 to 15 minutes. 176 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:03,660 I said all right. So I just get off the phone. 177 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:06,780 I walk to where the bus stop is. It's not stretching in my leg, 178 00:09:07,060 --> 00:09:09,660 so you know, I'm just stretching and waiting and he's too guy. 179 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:15,380 This car pulls up beside me and says that hey, fools don't kick 180 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:18,740 back. And I says hey, but I do. 181 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:23,780 And then they look like the men looking at me like it's on. 182 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:27,660 So they're moving slowly. And I knew ships want to happen 183 00:09:27,940 --> 00:09:29,860 so as soon as they went around the corner. 184 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:32,700 I went into my suitcase and I pulled all the gun and I put it 185 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:36,420 in my waist pocket. So sure enough, to the car that 186 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:38,340 I parked the car. And here comes these two big 187 00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:41,340 glooms. I said so, OK, dude, I said, you 188 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:42,860 want to do this? And he said, yeah, we're going 189 00:09:42,860 --> 00:09:44,740 to do this. I said OK Hey, I said, I'll tell 190 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:47,420 you what I said, I don't want to beat you guys up here in the 191 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:49,020 public. Let's go somewhere right there. 192 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:52,900 There's a laneway over there. Let's go there so nobody can see 193 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:55,460 what's happening. Let's go do this, they said. 194 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:56,340 Yeah. OK, let's go. 195 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:58,550 So they walked. We walked into the lane. 196 00:09:58,590 --> 00:10:02,150 We get into the laneway, I pull out a gun and I start blasting 197 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:03,270 one guy. Wow. 198 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:05,190 Three shelter. It's this guy. 199 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:06,430 The kneecap. Oh my God. 200 00:10:06,670 --> 00:10:11,070 Blasting this guy, the other guy you can he just screaming for 201 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:12,630 it. Oh yeah. 202 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:16,150 God, I can imagine. But you know what? 203 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:20,710 As soon as I let out those shots into this guy's kneecap, it was 204 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:23,270 all that the tension was like, relieved, I felt. 205 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:26,380 It felt so good. Wow. 206 00:10:27,220 --> 00:10:30,500 Yeah, it. Felt good, I said to the buddy 207 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,540 and like, you know, I, I my senses are, you know, I saw here 208 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,740 this is trouble. So I said to me, I said this 209 00:10:36,820 --> 00:10:38,580 man. I said I got your license plate 210 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:41,300 number. I said you take your buddy, you 211 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,540 take him to the hospital now. And I said if anything happens 212 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:47,980 out of this, I'm coming for you. I said, you see how crazy I am 213 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,580 now? I said the next time I'll, I'll 214 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:50,940 kill you. Both of you guys. 215 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:54,860 Thank him and get out of here. Pulls him, takes him into his 216 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:58,460 car and they go. So now as soon as he goes, I go 217 00:10:58,460 --> 00:11:02,660 to the bus stop and there comes my buddy and he sees me coming 218 00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:05,780 out of laneway and he sees me putting my revolver in my pocket 219 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:08,540 and he says to me Mad Dog, what's going on. 220 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:12,060 I said buddy open that door and let's get out of here. 221 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:15,620 I just, Oh my God, Wow. Yeah, man. 222 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:20,900 Yeah, you just didn't. Just did not mess with me. 223 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:24,500 Because if I couldn't beat you with my hands, I was going to 224 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:28,340 stab you, shoot you with anything around me, forks, 225 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,140 anything I would use as weapons, whatever it took. 226 00:11:32,060 --> 00:11:35,140 Whatever it took, whatever it took, I'd bite your throat, pull 227 00:11:35,380 --> 00:11:38,700 your eyes out, Whatever I had to do to win. 228 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:43,500 To survive, Got a real bona fide gangster, Or would you? 229 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:45,500 So would they? So look at you like the top St. 230 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,970 kid. No, I was in. 231 00:11:47,970 --> 00:11:50,010 I was a gangster. I was no one's a gangster now 232 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:54,610 cuz I now I had not being being my bodyguard. 233 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:57,010 No, I was. I was. 234 00:11:57,530 --> 00:12:01,170 They knew I had connections now easiest that I did have 235 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:03,850 connections. I had big connections, right? 236 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:05,890 I had big I Colombian connections. 237 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:07,970 I had the Portuguese connections. 238 00:12:07,970 --> 00:12:10,250 I had. I had the hookups, you know, I 239 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:13,140 had Eddie. And anyway, he had a Montreal 240 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:15,780 click, you know, and then I had to Toronto click. 241 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:20,780 I had, you know, I had two K2 Mobs families in Toronto. 242 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:25,020 So yeah, I was connected. I was connected big time because 243 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:27,220 of the the inner circle you're in. 244 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:31,100 You're getting direct conversations about more serious 245 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:36,690 stuff, hits and stuff. And then how are decisions made 246 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:40,290 for someone to be targeted, like how does that that process work 247 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:42,130 like that when they once it's decided? 248 00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:47,530 You know, I, Mike would approach me if I was working with Mike or 249 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:52,530 the Colombians, but like what Mike would would approach me and 250 00:12:53,650 --> 00:12:56,170 he would tell me like, listen, this is what I have. 251 00:12:56,170 --> 00:12:58,610 Are you interested? You know when he would lay out 252 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:03,290 the scenario of what he had and the money involved? 253 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,440 And if I was interested, then, you know, I would. 254 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,920 I would study it and, you know, I would look at it just as a 255 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,280 flight. I would train for it. 256 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,240 You know, it'd be a mission. I I wouldn't just go and do it. 257 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,000 I would do my homework, right. You know, I'd take me a week, 10 258 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,560 days. You know, I'd mop by mop the 259 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,480 hit. And then when I was comfortable 260 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,080 then I go and do what I had you know I I trained myself to do 261 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,040 for that 10 or week you know and the decision was always yours it 262 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,200 was always like he he came down to your decision wasn't like you 263 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,640 have to do it or your your that that type of scenario. 264 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing that I was 265 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,240 obligated for was protecting Mike at that time, right. 266 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,120 And I I had you know I has just if Mike somebody pull up a gun 267 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,660 or I had to protect. So that's my only obligation. 268 00:14:03,140 --> 00:14:06,500 Anything other than that was freelancing, You know what I 269 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:07,220 mean? Yes. 270 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:11,060 So I was getting work from gang, you know, high end gangsters 271 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:16,380 that were up there and if I wanted the job, which, you know, 272 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:19,740 a lot of them I did and I took them, right? 273 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:22,500 And the opportunity there? The money was big and I took 274 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:25,690 them. He talked about a situation 275 00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:28,850 about a rapist and a 12 year old girl who was a victim of this 276 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:32,170 creep and the parents were in a very bad situation, maybe 277 00:14:32,170 --> 00:14:35,770 breakdown that situation. All that went down. 278 00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:39,450 Like approached me one day and he's telling me about first of 279 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:42,050 all you sell me David, I want to tell you about this. 280 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:47,010 He says The money big, he says but with the situation is not 281 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:50,410 good and he wanted he would. He laid it out to me, he says. 282 00:14:51,170 --> 00:14:55,310 If there's this family, that. The legal immigrants. 283 00:14:55,310 --> 00:14:57,590 So, you know, they're not, they didn't have the green cards. 284 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:59,070 They've been in Canada for a while. 285 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:02,350 The guy's been working. He has a family. 286 00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:06,750 He has a young girl and this other guy next door to him. 287 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:10,750 He's been raping the young girl. Yeah, he's been raping this 288 00:15:10,750 --> 00:15:13,230 young girl and he's been. And they could have called the 289 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:16,230 police on the guy because he said you call the police, I'm 290 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:19,910 going to tell on you that you're you're, you're not the Canadian 291 00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:21,670 citizen. And they send them back to his 292 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:25,490 country. Anyways, I guess enough was 293 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:29,650 enough, you know, for this guy who this neighborhood, everybody 294 00:15:29,650 --> 00:15:33,370 knows everybody. And this guy said he must put 295 00:15:33,370 --> 00:15:37,410 some money aside and he said to what Mrs. told Mike he says you 296 00:15:37,410 --> 00:15:41,770 know what was happening to him and his family and like, so 297 00:15:41,770 --> 00:15:43,650 yeah, let me go speak to somebody. 298 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:46,010 I think I know somebody that will take care of that for you. 299 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,800 So that's when he told me what, you know the scenario about this 300 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,480 guy. I says yeah yeah, that's how 301 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,480 much money he got. I think he's just he's got like 302 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,720 5 grand. So I'll take I says give me 25 303 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,920 right now, then 25 when the job's done, no problem. 304 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,320 So anyways, he gives me the information about this guy, 305 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,280 where he hangs out, where he lives, all I needed. 306 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,760 That's OK. So now I have my driver and now 307 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,800 I do. I stuck him. 308 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,880 I go see his house. I go see when he leaves his 309 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,560 house. I go see where he goes. 310 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:18,690 And then I see where I'm going to do it. 311 00:16:18,690 --> 00:16:20,330 Eventually I know where I'm going to hit this guy. 312 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:28,770 So this particular place, he he he's he's in a place to where 313 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:31,330 there's a lot of people, you know, people come in and out. 314 00:16:33,050 --> 00:16:37,650 So it's winter time. I got the, I got my jacket, I 315 00:16:37,650 --> 00:16:40,450 got a scarf around my face and a hat on. 316 00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:43,530 So, you know, you coming to, I go to the back door, nobody's 317 00:16:43,530 --> 00:16:46,430 going to, no one's going to. Paying attention because it's 318 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:50,230 winter time, you know? So anyways, I, you know, I know 319 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:52,750 I had planned and I knew I was going to go into that place. 320 00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:54,990 I knew how I was going to leave. I knew where I was going to, 321 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:57,710 where my car was going to be waiting for me. 322 00:16:58,030 --> 00:17:00,510 So while I was comfortable, okay, I knew where he was going 323 00:17:00,510 --> 00:17:03,990 to be, the time, everything. So that day came. 324 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:07,550 So I opened the door where I had to go in. 325 00:17:07,950 --> 00:17:11,430 I saw him there and I pulled up. I pulled on. 326 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:14,780 I blast this guy. And as soon as I had this one, 327 00:17:14,940 --> 00:17:18,500 it's one guy that just had two shells in it. 328 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:23,460 And as soon as that 2 shells go, the the people there saw that I 329 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,180 had there were shells. So you know, here they come, 330 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:29,620 they're ready to attack me. And I pull up another gun and 331 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:32,860 I'll stop them and did in their tracks like it's up to you. 332 00:17:32,860 --> 00:17:35,340 You want to make the move come. And they did it. 333 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:39,980 So I just quietly went out that other door and I started running 334 00:17:39,980 --> 00:17:42,900 to where my car was waiting. But I tell you this guy. 335 00:17:43,410 --> 00:17:46,050 After he got out of the hospital, he left. 336 00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:49,450 He he was no more. He he survived the hit. 337 00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:51,730 I wasn't. I wasn't going to kill him. 338 00:17:51,730 --> 00:17:54,570 Like, I just wanted to, you know, hurt him badly, triple 339 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:55,770 him, whatever. I didn't care. 340 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:59,530 I just wanted to put some shells into this guy and I, you know, I 341 00:17:59,530 --> 00:18:03,690 have a 410. It's like a it's departure. 342 00:18:04,330 --> 00:18:08,530 So, like birdshot. The bigger they had, the shells 343 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:11,290 I had were the first shot I had the. 344 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:15,350 Slugs in. OK, OK, I see what you're 345 00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:18,070 saying. Yeah, right, Just to rip your 346 00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:20,030 arm off. You know, I wasn't too close to 347 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:23,110 cause that much damage. But just enough damage, right? 348 00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:25,030 But he got them. He got the message, though. 349 00:18:25,030 --> 00:18:27,910 Oh. He got clear. 350 00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:33,790 Oh yeah, he he was in that hospital for about a week or so. 351 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:37,550 He he got he he had a few enemies so he couldn't pinpoint 352 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:39,630 exactly because this guy was real piece of. 353 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Piece of shit. So anyway, he left to his 354 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,320 country. He didn't. 355 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,760 He was gone. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I took care 356 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,200 of that actually real quick. When you get a reputation for 357 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,880 someone that can pull that off and you know, cuz again, you 358 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,840 know, most people probably get the adrenaline freak out. 359 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,040 Like there's so many scenarios that go through my head that 360 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,080 that could happen, right? But when you get the reputation 361 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,160 of someone that can actually do it and professionally like the 362 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,960 way you describe, like the the reconnaissance the does that 363 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,280 instantly kind of really elevate you up in the criminal world? 364 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:22,400 Well, you know what I would with me, what made my rise was the 365 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,080 fact that I did a lot of work for people and I was always 366 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,960 successful, right? It was not like nobody knew that 367 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,760 I did that job. Like Okay, who didn't? 368 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,920 I couldn't. I couldn't, you know, say I did 369 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:36,580 OK Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes. 370 00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:42,180 So nobody knew who did it, but they can assume, you know but a 371 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:45,620 lot of people knew who today because there's only you know so 372 00:19:45,620 --> 00:19:50,300 many people in this community that you know that you know, I 373 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:54,380 mean I work for Mike. They know that that it could be 374 00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:56,660 me and there's, you know another couple people in the 375 00:19:56,660 --> 00:19:59,600 neighborhood, you know, but. I work for other people. 376 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,320 I work for the Italian families, you know, and I did a lot of 377 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,760 jobs and, you know, and I was always successful in them. 378 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,480 I work for bike clubs, you know, I was always successful. 379 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,440 And yeah, so yeah, I had a reputation. 380 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,080 When you want something done, they called me and they knew 381 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,400 that there I would do the job. And if they, God forbid, 382 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,600 something happened to me, they knew I would Rammo. 383 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,180 And yeah, yeah. So y'all had a good repetition 384 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:32,940 with everybody, with everybody. These events are what what led 385 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:37,260 up to you doing three years, and then when you did that three 386 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:41,100 years, you kept your mouth shut and then you you when I went to 387 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,980 court, but I got arrested for that $1,000,000 extortion. 388 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,620 That big Davey was with me and Rico, he was my driver. 389 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:53,860 Now there was some tape. There's a phone number at 390 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:57,510 David's house where it was staying, and that that number 391 00:20:57,510 --> 00:21:01,150 was supposed to be the guy who sent me to do this job. 392 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:06,590 Anyways, they had Robert Bidwell, who was already doing 393 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:14,750 15 years, brought it from from penitentiary to the court to the 394 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:19,270 courthouse, now charged for sending me to do an extortion. 395 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:22,110 Now he's looking at another 15 years here. 396 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:30,940 And now the number that was that the police found the tie that in 397 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:33,820 with the guy that sent me to do the job. 398 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:39,700 So they had the two parties now in court and they had me on the 399 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:45,460 stand trying to point fingers to say that, yeah, that was them. 400 00:21:45,460 --> 00:21:48,860 So they're at the Crown attorney was questioning me to try, you 401 00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:52,740 know, with his tactics, trying to trick me in any way he can to 402 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:55,690 make me slip up in some way somehow. 403 00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:59,890 And if I catch me the lie, that's perjury and I get more 404 00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:02,610 time, make a lot of stories short. 405 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:05,890 These both guys walk. No one got convicted. 406 00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,770 And when they both guys left that courtroom, they had smiles 407 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:12,690 from cheek to cheek. So we're not. 408 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:14,970 Yeah. So when I left, when I finished 409 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:19,970 doing my time, OK, like I a lot of people were just like right 410 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:24,700 on Davey, you know, right for his soul because it was a 411 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,740 battle. You know it was because the game 412 00:22:27,740 --> 00:22:30,860 he he was, he was he was doing some talking. 413 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,340 He was doing some talking. The guy was a he was a he was a 414 00:22:34,340 --> 00:22:36,100 street guy. He was a prison guard before he 415 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,980 come working with me. So he he didn't want to do no 416 00:22:38,980 --> 00:22:40,860 time. He just didn't want to do no 417 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,380 time. So he the coppers were scaring 418 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:46,540 him saying he was going to get time and time so he was talking. 419 00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:49,670 He is easy. That like, you know, I didn't 420 00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:53,470 expect it from the guy, but when you find out, you find out and I 421 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:56,150 found out you know what's left. Anyways, when I finished doing 422 00:22:56,150 --> 00:22:59,590 my time, you know I had nothing but live and learn. 423 00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:00,670 Right. Of course. 424 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:02,910 It's it's it's really a fascinating and I really 425 00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:06,990 appreciate it Before I go I I'm, I'm so grateful that I'm not the 426 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:09,270 man that I was. Yes, I'm a new. 427 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:12,470 I'm a new creation. I give all praise to my Lord 428 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:14,470 Jesus Christ. I'm a new man. 429 00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:18,660 Yes, you know, and I, you know, there's some stuff that still 430 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:22,060 haunts me. David, thank you so much and you 431 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:25,020 have a great, blessed day and I appreciate you taking the time 432 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:28,660 to talk to me on my podcast. You're very welcome, my friend. 433 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:30,220 God bless you too, but. Thank you.