1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,200 A week and I'm like, whoa, well, I'm not surprised, you know, So 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,240 it it it has seen like like the the physical effects it has like 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,080 I remember one time my friend Kevin, who was a pretty bad coke 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,560 addict. I went and visited him once. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,760 I because he wasn't answering his phone and he he used to live 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,520 with his mother, believe it or not. 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,600 But his mom had a nursery and she had kind of like a coach 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,280 house that was in the nursery and he lived in there and I 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,240 knock on the thing and go, OK, come on in. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,000 And the whole place is just like a disgusting pigsty. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,880 He hasn't left. He hadn't hadn't left the his 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,640 apartment for over a week. I go in his bedroom and I'm not 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,240 kidding, David, it was so disgusting. 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,240 He had a bathroom across the hall. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,680 He was so paranoid, like, so paranoid about leaving his room. 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,320 He was peeing in containers, like milk containers, cups and 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,560 stuff. I'm like, what's that I'm like? 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,440 And it stunk so bad. So I've seen like the the, the 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,720 behavior that it caused. And I'm like, say you have a 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,400 bathroom And he lived by himself. 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,480 He lived by himself. He was so like, wigged out, he 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,640 couldn't leave his room. That's called cocaine psychosis. 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Oh, definitely. And then one time he told me 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,800 that he was so paranoid that someone was going to break in 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,760 his house. I I didn't know. 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,320 I didn't know where he got it. I didn't ask. 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,480 He was so paranoid. He was kneeling at the mail slot 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,040 because at his door had like a mail slot to push the mail 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,240 through. And he was kneeling at the mail 30 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,960 slot looking through the mail horn, and he had a gun and he 31 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,000 was paranoid that someone was coming to a raid. 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,960 I'm like, well, who do you think? 33 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,640 I don't know somebody. Yeah, somebody. 34 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,280 And he actually had knee. He he hurt. 35 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,120 He actually had knee issues after that. 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Yeah, you know, because they'd be up for so many hours, no 37 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,840 sleep, and that's. And another thing with cocaine, 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,200 where they make that in the jungle, you know, once you see a 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,200 lot of people picking at their skin, right? 40 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,120 Yeah. There's a there's a little 41 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,440 parasite in the jungle that's so small that gets into the drug 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,880 that that the ether and all that doesn't kill it. 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,520 And it gets in. Yeah. 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Oh yeah. I've seen it. 45 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,199 It gets into the drug and yes, so when people inject it and 46 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,600 even yes. It gets into their bloodstream, 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,680 into their veins. That's why you see them picking, 48 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,280 because they see these little bugs in their mouth. 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,520 And yeah, I heard about that in in the. 50 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Yeah, because given like everyone like Kevin, he'd always 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,120 be scratching himself. He'd make me feel itchy, you 52 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,760 know what I mean? Like he'd make me feel because 53 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,440 he's scratching and I'm like, dude, go have a shower. 54 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Like you're you're wig, you know, you're you're making me 55 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,560 uncomfortable. You're making me itchy. 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,400 Yeah, you know, that's what I'm saying. 57 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,800 And like and like the reason I bring this up, because he's 58 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,000 brought up something interesting. 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Because in the 80s, you, Miami Vice Scarface guy, doing coke 60 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:49,720 with all these attractive women and getting the hookers on the 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,480 sex workers on television. They're always gorgeous. 62 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,480 And they do, they did do a really great job of glamorizing 63 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,520 it, right, Glamorizing it, the money. 64 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,240 And somehow it's cool. And again with the like the 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,480 stock broker guys that did it, they always thought it was like 66 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 a cool status thing. You know, I remember there was 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,640 this, this is hilarious, there was this Courier company 68 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,840 downtown Vancouver. When I excited when I worked in 69 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,920 the stock industry. I won't say the name of the 70 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:18,960 company in case it's all around, but this Courier company, they 71 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,120 would, they would call them and this guy would come in with the 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,000 uniform, you know and had this Manila you know, business type 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,000 envelope and it was cocaine in it And and yeah, I've seen it 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,080 like even in the in the office environment this is like kind of 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,920 kind of early 2000s, early 2000s, late 90s. 76 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,240 And you know these men, they're supposed to be, you know these 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,360 gentlemen in suits and drive nice cars and stuff. 78 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,120 I've seen them just go downhill. You know, they they make some 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,400 big money on the stock market. Next thing you know, they 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,040 divorced their wife of 30 years. Their their escort is now their 81 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,320 girlfriend. You know, of course, 'cause 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,520 they're paying through the nose, come in the office at 7:00 in 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 the morning, the guy's wearing the same suit that he has been 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,800 all week, and he's chopping a line on the desk, right? 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,080 And he just looks horrible, like he looks like he looks like his 86 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,440 head's gonna explode. And you know that that really 87 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,200 grossed me out. And of course that, you know, I 88 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,320 didn't. I, I, I quit that industry, but 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,720 for many reasons. But that was one of the main 90 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,160 ones because of the excessive boozing, the drugs and they 91 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,840 always acted like it was just the most awesome thing in the 92 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:30,720 world. And then, like, you know, and 93 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,440 then seeing their lives ruined, almost none of them kept their 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,160 money, none of them kept their families or probably their 95 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,880 families hate them. And lot of them are probably 96 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,800 dead now of heart attacks and stuff. 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Because you know, when you're stimulating, you've been up for, 98 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,280 you know, when you're in your 40s or 50s and you might have an 99 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,000 underlying heart condition and you're just blasting yourself 100 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,480 with a pretty powerful stimulant, you're you're taking 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,720 a massive toll on your health and stuff. 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 So I've seen a lot of people's health deteriorate. 103 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,920 Did you? I knew a guy. 104 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,800 I know you. If you know him, I don't want to 105 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,120 say his name because, you know, again, I want to say that, but 106 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,840 he was Mr. Canada at one point and he was a shorter guy. 107 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:11,200 He was a bodybuilder. He had a great build, he was a, 108 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,600 he was a very talented bodybuilder and he probably 109 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,000 could have went pro. But he, he got busted I think 110 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,680 for a steroid bust, 'cause he was working at the Vancouver 111 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 airport. And then when he came out of 112 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:28,440 jail, he got really heavy into the, you know, the blow and 113 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,200 stuff and you know, get he he. So he went from being this high 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,840 caliber, you know, world class bodybuilder, like doing like 115 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:41,960 these really like international contests to living on Hastings. 116 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,800 Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 117 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,560 And also, yeah, you got, you got all kinds of athletes, 118 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:54,480 professional athletes, you know, like Gotti, who, who, who was? 119 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Who is Tat? Sorry Tonti, who was murdered in 120 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,480 in the United States. Here's a world champion 121 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,200 multimillionaire. But he couldn't give up to the 122 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,520 his, his lifestyle. You know, as a as a drug, as a 123 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,040 drug dealer and a gangster and hearing it, making millions of 124 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,840 such a professional fighter and he ends up getting assassinated. 125 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,720 Was that the one where you got, was that the guy that got 126 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,680 strangled and he actually thought maybe it was his wife or 127 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,560 girlfriend or ex-girlfriend killed him? 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,440 That was John. That was Gotti. 129 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,840 But he was not involved in drugs. 130 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,080 No, that's a different story. That's a different case, so 131 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,120 that's, yeah. That's a different case, but 132 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,240 even when you mentioned my brother, Eddie Mello. 133 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,400 Here at this he he was very successful. 134 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,360 He was a 19 year old. He became professional at the 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,600 age of 17. He was successful Canadian 136 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,000 athlete who. Brought boxing boxers. 137 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Got the money because of him, because he made. 138 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Made it Canada. Made it famous. 139 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,160 Canada famous. You know boxing. 140 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,280 But here you have a guy who who's now he was assassinated 141 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:06,080 by. Who Allegedly Mike Desilva, who 142 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,960 I was working for in 81 as his bodyguard because Eddie 143 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,880 introduced me to him to protect him. 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,160 But back in 2000, he was he was assassinated and Mike got 145 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,080 arrested for that, but he ended up beating it in court. 146 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,840 But here's Eddie. He was, God bless his soul, he 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 was had his hands involved in all kinds of. 148 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Fake things, man. I mean, you know, I used to, I 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,880 used to work for Eddie. You know right, you. 150 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Know what I'm saying? And yeah, he kind of got your, 151 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,080 he kind of got you started in organized crime because you guys 152 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,360 met at a very young age. We talked about it and that and 153 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,920 was I think it was that did we talk about that in your in the 154 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,840 first podcast? Yeah the first podcast we did. 155 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Yes. So let's go back then to like 156 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Nanaimo then. Right. 157 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,000 So you you running the nine, I remember you were saying that 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,160 you even had like at one point you had crack houses going and 159 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,720 things like that. So. 160 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,120 So when you talk about like the people, right, that are maybe 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,960 you know they have a bit of money and they may have a 162 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,400 business that you, you clean them out, right. 163 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Because this nature I've seen that too like from the stuff 164 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,640 I've seen people get hooked and then there's this like they just 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,320 have this big bill that they just can never pay and then they 166 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,560 just have this big appetite that they see feeding and feeding and 167 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,320 and and and in in the cases that I saw a lot of times not so much 168 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,720 with Kevin. Kevin was just you know just 169 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,720 wanted to consume as much drugs as possible when he was really 170 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,559 bad. But I've seen in a lot of guys 171 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 with businessmen where it's just like it's like a it's a it's a 172 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,720 it's an appetite of cocaine and sex workers combined. 173 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Right. But in the cases where it's more 174 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 like the lower income bracket like the people that are more 175 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,840 like kind of like marginalized in their in their crack heads 176 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,840 and they're they're addicted and stuff like that, how is that 177 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,520 like handling that type of and then that type of environment? 178 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Well that kind of environment again you had the you had the 179 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,480 working girls who are pretty much your your biggest clientele 180 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,800 are the working girls and and then I want being such a small 181 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:18,560 island a lot of and and in that area with the of the girls 182 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,760 working they bring a lot of business so. 183 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400 I I took care a lot of the working girls and made sure 184 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,600 nothing happened to them. If there's ever a problem, they 185 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,960 always ran to me. I always, I always help them and 186 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,040 then in every way possible. So yeah, I took care. 187 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,680 A lot of the working girls, I made sure they always had and I 188 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,080 always gave them credit because they always paid. 189 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,760 You know what I mean? So. 190 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,000 So you always took care of the, took care of the girls and then 191 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,200 he had the then you have the guys that are working this, you 192 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,880 know, the street there, the thieves, you know all that. 193 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,480 Yeah, they're the thieves. They'll go out there and they'll 194 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,840 they're doing and breaking and enters and armed robberies and 195 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,920 whatever they have to do to get their money, right. 196 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,560 And yeah, you know, like I, I I had, you know, so much bringing 197 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:12,040 in weapons and diamonds and gold, you know, boats. 198 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,360 I even I had somebody even sign over their house to me. 199 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,680 I won't say the guys name but it was more through my brothers 200 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:26,200 contact and there was a guy out and I think he was like in self 201 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,200 sorry and he was a scary dude. I think he he was a commercial 202 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,240 fisherman and he had a few connections too. 203 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,560 And he would turn the bottom of his house into a crock den and 204 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:41,760 people would come over and hand them their whole paycheck. 205 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,360 So it was just, it would my brother would tell him about 206 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,440 this, it would just blow my mind and he would look at their 207 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,920 paycheck and say, OK, wherever the check was, say it was like 208 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,440 for two or $3000, OK, you can stay for three days like he'll 209 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:53,960 tell him. He'll give him a time limit, 210 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:55,160 right? You know what I mean? 211 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,960 And then he would make like sometimes all over a weekend 212 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,600 he'd make like 50 grand and stuff. 213 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,800 But this guy was ski ran it like an iron fist And yeah, his his 214 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,200 his weapon of terror was a ball peem hammer and this guy was 215 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,680 like he was long and skinny. You know what I mean Kind of 216 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,080 wiry. So you know he imagine this guy 217 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,560 ready got you have a ball peem hammer when it was time to go 218 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,800 and he didn't want to go right and and so that's what I'm 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,640 saying it's a scary world right. And and you know, again, so 220 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,200 you're saying that a lot of times too like this the guys, 221 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,880 the guys who are addicted, we're talking more on the street 222 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,400 level, They're having to do break and entries, auto thefts, 223 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:39,720 maybe armed robberies, maybe, you know, B and ES, you know, 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,040 maybe other, you know, like the crime basically is to feed their 225 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,240 habits. So they're out there in the 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,440 community, you know, you forgot what it is, you know, 227 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,600 terrorizing the community to feed their habit, right? 228 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,600 You know, someone home gets broken into. 229 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,200 They come home, their whole house is ransacked. 230 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,240 It's pretty terrifying, right? Kind of like, what the hell, 231 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,800 right? Or having a highland counter, 232 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,000 right? Someone robbing you? 233 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,520 Knife point or gun point, Right. Robbing you. 234 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,160 You know, I some hear about people, you know, I say they go 235 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,800 up to an ATM. Next thing you know, they have a 236 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,120 knife in their in their ribs. Hey, if you're gonna withdraw 237 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,120 some money for me, right? So you know, the the, the habit, 238 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,800 you know what I'm saying? It feeds other types of crimes 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,880 and stuff, right? So let's talk, David. 240 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Then you know we're going down, you went, you're Nanaimo. 241 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,600 We're gonna do more podcasts about your, you know, 'cause you 242 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,400 have so many stories, especially Nanaimo and stuff. 243 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,760 You have so many stories, right? Yeah, let's talk about how you 244 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,680 came to Vancouver and then you worked, you ran a building on 245 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,840 the an SRO, single room, Oxy, right. 246 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Whatever. And it was in Blood Alley in a 247 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,640 famous Blood Alley. Famous Blood Alley. 248 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,720 And it's funny, Blood Alley has a very colorful history. 249 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,640 And back in the when Vancouver was first founded, Blood Alley, 250 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,080 who apparently is where they did the hangings back when, You 251 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,440 know, what was it back when Vancouver was first called, 252 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Vancouver was actually 1st called Granville. 253 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,040 It's called the City of Granville. 254 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,800 And then it changed to Vancouver. 255 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,880 It's an interesting story. But anyways, so back in the day, 256 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,960 we're talking like the 1800s. Blood Alley was where they had 257 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,560 gallows and they would hang people. 258 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:21,760 And apparently people still swear to this day there's a a, a 259 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,520 black a woman dressed all in black that wanders Alley and 260 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,880 they think she's a ghost. I've heard stories about her in 261 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Bled. So Bled Alley is a very colorful 262 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,280 history. Even the name Bled Alley. 263 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,320 Right. So you ran the building up Blood 264 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,560 Alley and and maybe break that down. 265 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:42,440 Like, how did you get the job and what did it tell? 266 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Maybe just a typical day of a life of running a drug building 267 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,840 in Downtown Eastside. I had a reputation because when 268 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,440 I got out of the, got out of the penitentiary, I guess I, you 269 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,080 know, I was doing good. I was. 270 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,400 You know, like I said, I was a professional athlete and I was 271 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,000 doing good and little dabbling. I was doing, I was muscle and so 272 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,480 I was, I was working first with with a triad group. 273 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,840 My friend Bob, he's involved with the Triads. 274 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,960 His uncle was a big into triad, so he had some. 275 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,760 So I had a legitimate job. I was working in a building 276 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,240 having people come in and I, you know, they pay their rent. 277 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,640 I rent out the rooms and so more or less I was the eyes of the 278 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,440 building. You know no one could sell drugs 279 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,040 in there but certain people and that was my but that was it was 280 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,040 all connected anyway. But when I got into blood Alley 281 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,800 my friend, God bless him who he's been assassinated and his 282 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,960 name is Shawn Reap his name His name was Paiu and I was Paiu's 283 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,840 bodyguard because there's a many attempts on his life and. 284 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,840 I ended up working for Paiu and Paiu had control of and his and 285 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:06,840 his crew had control of Blood Alley and and I and I again 286 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,040 working for Paiu I took control of because I was the more saner. 287 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,360 I had more experience, more knowledge, yeah. 288 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Exactly. You know, there's the muscle. 289 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,280 And then I was sort of less the organizer with the management 290 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,120 and the muscle like you were. Yes, that's what he saw. 291 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,640 He saw that in me and he wanted me to come into his crew to take 292 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,840 care of that aspect of the of the of the crew or the. 293 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,240 And I said yes, I would do that. So yeah, we we had control of 294 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,960 the blood alley. So again, we. 295 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,960 You know, full control of who comes in the building. 296 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,440 You know, we know if any police came in, I would know right 297 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,960 away. You know, if anybody, I would 298 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,560 tip off people like like we have drugs in certain rooms. 299 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Like I they'd be rented in a it's the stock part. 300 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Yes. Yeah, exactly. 301 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,640 It'd be a stash room with assembly we have. 302 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,120 We rent it to somebody, but nobody be living. 303 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,440 It's just be the stash. So no. 304 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,240 Have a large amount of drugs dealers on them in the room and 305 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,640 just have enough to the sell and says they make this sell their 306 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,920 quota. We go into the stash room, 307 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,960 reload them so that they get give the money and then we you 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,000 mentioned something interesting, sorry David I just wanted I I 309 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,520 just want to touch on something you just said. 310 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,720 So you said you'd give them their quota. 311 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,200 So typically what was their quota to sell? 312 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,320 We give them an they have an ounce and their possession that. 313 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,800 28G and you know out of A and out of a gram there they got 314 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,080 they're selling points and points is you know like $20.20 315 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,120 dollar points. So you got $200 a gram right 316 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,240 there. So, you know, they're selling. 317 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,080 They're selling these points or rocks. 318 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,160 And yeah, once once they sell that Oz, they they bring the the 319 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,440 money that for that Oz. And then we re re up them again. 320 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,520 OK, yeah. What would happen if they came 321 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,240 up short or they came up say, say, a cockamamie story? 322 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,359 Oh, they lost it, Or something like something like that. 323 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,160 No, no, no. That we the crew, it was run 324 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,720 with an iron fist man. If anything happened it had to 325 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,760 believe somebody you know somebody come in to you know rip 326 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,680 off or something. We would know and we'd take 327 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,599 action over it. There was just no story. 328 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,960 Would have to be legit, legitimate reason or the guy 329 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,800 stop and lost it or because of the. 330 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,520 He was on the street or something. 331 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,840 He had it on him. The police came. 332 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,280 He had to dump it or right, Right. 333 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,000 You know, so it had to be verified. 334 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,800 OK, right. Yes. 335 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:43,000 Right. You know. 336 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,160 And plus you don't wanna, you don't wanna keep saying you keep 337 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,240 coming back saying you lost, you lost, you lost. 338 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Yeah, you're not gonna be around very long. 339 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,320 So yeah, we talked about something quickly. 340 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,560 I remember you were saying, OK, so a lot of these like the 341 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,320 girls, we're talking about the girls now, right, It's the girls 342 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,720 are addicted a lot of times they're in the sex trade, right. 343 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,120 So they're doing, you know, they're they're getting 344 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,880 customers and and and besides doing the the sex work a lot of 345 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,320 times they would be doing robberies they'd you know, they 346 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,360 you maybe break that down a little bit. 347 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Who breakdown a lot of them about the the guys who are in 348 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,320 the robberies. No, no, no, sorry. 349 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,480 The girls. We're talking like on the girls 350 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,920 side. So you know these girls are 351 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,520 pretty big earners. You were saying something. 352 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,440 I remember what selling like some of these girls would come 353 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,680 back with diamond rings and and. Oh yeah, of course, you know, 354 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,360 because they're stealing off the tricks or in the. 355 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,920 Yeah, yeah. That's what I was getting at. 356 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Yeah, exactly. You know, not only do they steal 357 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,040 off the tricks, sometimes, you know, they they want to keep 358 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,200 them as long as possible. They're they're sucking dry too, 359 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,560 right? So yeah, they're sucking in the. 360 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,240 They want them to pay as much as they want, you know, keep 361 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,240 treating them with money for drugs and drugs. 362 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,320 So they they want to try to keep them for days. 363 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,280 You know, they keep a trick for days sometimes and then, you 364 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,640 know, and then eventually the trick has once you spend, they 365 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,800 dry them out. See ya. 366 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,640 That's it. And that's all right. 367 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,360 But yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes, you know, these 368 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,640 girls keep these guys for, you know, weeks, you know? 369 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,720 And these guys are spending a lot of money on these girls, 370 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,160 boy. And you know, they can they come 371 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,360 to me and to talk and they they're buying the drugs off of 372 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,040 me because they know the drugs is good and they know they're 373 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,520 not going to get ripped off. They know if anything happens 374 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,280 they can come to me, they're protected. 375 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,040 So yeah, it was, it was a very well oiled organization which we 376 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,640 ran very tight. Talk about some of the money 377 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,640 like you know on a on a busy day, like what was what was 378 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,880 someone like the the the amounts of money that this your crew 379 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,040 would make? Most busy day would be, well, 380 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,800 for Wednesday. That's any drug dealers. 381 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,720 Busy day is well for Wednesday and Thursday. 382 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,600 Yeah, the money that runs through our hands on that day. 383 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,640 So it's it's it's crazy, man. It's just crazy. 384 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,360 Yeah, this. You got like 40-50 thousand 385 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,640 $60,000. Oh, that's crazy. 386 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Wow, grand coming in our hands a night that Wednesday night, You 387 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,800 know E grand, you know easily. And then it comes Thursday, 388 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,920 you're making another 60-70 thousand, 80,000 sometimes and 389 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,680 even another 100 grand. So yeah, no, you're making 390 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,720 hundreds of thousands of dollars, man. 391 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,600 Hundreds of thousands of dollars because these guys are are 392 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,760 spending all their check, man. Right. 393 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,760 What was the most and and this from a this from a you know, for 394 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,600 lack of a better word, from a business point of view, what was 395 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,160 more profitable? Was it cocaine or heroin? 396 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,560 As a as a pro, this has a pure profit. 397 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,800 I don't know. They both they both made money, 398 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,480 man. They both, they both the same. 399 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,440 Yeah. They both make money man. 400 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,200 You know is it? Yeah. 401 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,640 They both make money was. Meth around when you were active 402 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,240 or was that not really around then? 403 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Yeah, I didn't, I didn't mess. I didn't mess around much with 404 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,120 the meth because police, the police are hard on meth dealers. 405 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:16,880 They really hard on meth dealers because it's such a it doesn't 406 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,920 cost much and and what happens with people stay up a lot of 407 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,600 days and that's when they get really sketched dangerous you 408 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,480 know we have yeah so I didn't want that. 409 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,000 I had nothing to do with the speed. 410 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 I didn't want, you know you want nothing to do with that had 411 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,520 that. I didn't want that that label on 412 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,600 me as a speed dealer in any way. Because it makes people more 413 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,560 erratic and more crazy, more unpredictable and violent and 414 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,560 stuff, right? So. 415 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320 So it's and sketchiness. Yeah. 416 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,120 People get really crazy because they're up for days and days, 417 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,200 man. Weeks on the yeah, no, no, no, 418 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,320 no. That's one drug. 419 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,440 It's it's no good. It's nothing natural about it, 420 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,440 right? It's all chemicals. 421 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Yeah, I know. It's pure chemicals. 422 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,120 Wow. Not so back down to any side. 423 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,640 So again like these buildings, right, like your crew, you guys 424 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,440 ran a few buildings, but but you remember you were mentioning you 425 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,960 were breaking down something before that you would work with 426 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,240 the owners of the buildings and then these, some of these owners 427 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,120 of the buildings would have three or four different Type 4 428 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:23,920 buildings, right. So you get you basically, if you 429 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,800 get a control of the owner, you get control of the the 430 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,160 buildings. Yes, of course. 431 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Again, my, my, my, my brother Paiu at that time had because 432 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,880 he, he was born in Vancouver. He was, you know, his dad was a, 433 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,200 he was a, he was a hit man. His mother was prostitute, Like 434 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,080 that's what he grew up into. That's that's what he was. 435 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Yeah. So Pi was very well known and 436 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,200 you know, so he had a crew and and a lot of the owners saw 437 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,840 that. So they they don't want your 438 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,160 building ruined. So they you know they ask him, 439 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,920 say hey you you you take care. We'll let you take care of the 440 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,640 building. You know you give me some money 441 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,800 like you know, they like again like take take care of the 442 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,960 building make sure the one destroys it. 443 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,320 No fires and you know, no big fights and you know murders and 444 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,920 just run it and we give them a percentage, you know, run it 445 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,560 clean for them. We get the, we get all the rooms 446 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,240 rented out. They get their money for their 447 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,920 rooms and and a little cut of the out of the drug money, you 448 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,080 know. So yeah, a lot of owners have, 449 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,680 there's a lot of owners in buildings plus stores like pizza 450 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,080 stores and pawn stores. They're all into it. 451 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,400 So that's an interesting aspect of it. 452 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760 And this is the thing again for the listening audience. 453 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,720 So. The drug economy in the Downtown 454 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,880 Eastside Nanaimo, BC is massive. So you have the drug sales, you 455 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,720 have the spin off, you know the the stealing, the robbery, the 456 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960 fencing, right? And then then on the other side 457 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,360 of it you got the money laundering. 458 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,160 Did you have much involvement in the money laundering side? 459 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,120 No. The only part I had was the 460 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,720 money would come through my hands. 461 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,880 I would have to give it to my dealer like snick. 462 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,240 And you know they have a couple of keys in my possession. 463 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,800 Once I get rid of those keys, I give them the money for those 464 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,160 keys. The profit My profit is my 465 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,520 profit. Right. 466 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,160 And they reload me again, right. And that's how. 467 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,360 I kept your role, was kind of handling the crew, making sure 468 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,560 the building was run smoothly, dealing with problems. 469 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,760 You know, maybe someone, maybe, let's say this, did you ever 470 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120 have, like, you know, maybe like someone dumb who doesn't know 471 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,920 any better? Who's decides that they're going 472 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480 to come to your building and decide they're going to set up 473 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,560 shop? What would happen to us, a dummy 474 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,720 like that? Thank you for that? 475 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,080 Depends on the scenario. It depends who he is, right. 476 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,280 But usually, you know, we, you know, you take the drugs off the 477 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,280 guy, you give him a good beating and send him on his merry way, 478 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,400 right. And he'll never come back again, 479 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400 you know? And if a guy thinks that, you 480 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,640 know, he's from another crew, and I think you're going to do a 481 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,760 power trip, well, then that's a different trip right altogether, 482 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,600 you know, You know, so they think you could come muscle our 483 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760 crew out of our, out of our, of our money shack. 484 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,480 No, we know. And then there's a little bit of 485 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,840 a war going on that'll be taken care of fast, too. 486 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,160 So yeah, we had a strong crew. I had a We're all dead. 487 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280 God bless their souls. I'm the only one alive from that 488 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,640 crew. Yeah, I want to tell that to the 489 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,880 audience when I first met you because I met you through and I 490 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,360 and we did a podcast about the Lisa Marie Young podcast, where 491 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,800 the way that I met you was you actually try to help the RCMP to 492 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,000 solve a murder. And well, I'll let the listeners 493 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,160 listen to that podcast. I won't get too into it. 494 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,760 They can listen to it that's called the the it's a case that 495 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,680 I of the Lisa Marie Young and and you were a big part of that 496 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,560 trying to get justice for this young woman and and so anyways 497 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,600 you. Yeah. 498 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,560 So again, you really stuck your neck out trying to to help this 499 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,440 young woman and especially from the your background and stuff 500 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320 that was really sticking your neck out, right. 501 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,680 So anyways, so there's like the drug economy, right? 502 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,200 There's the spin offs of the different types of crimes that 503 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,160 are involved, the break in entries, the violence protecting 504 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 the territory that you know you're building. 505 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,520 It's it's you have to it's it's your territory. 506 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,960 You have to protect it. Right. 507 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760 And. So I guess what the question is 508 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,200 then, it's like what were some of the more extreme things that 509 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,560 you've seen how people would protect their, you know 510 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,400 territory or or challenges. Oh, wow. 511 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:09,800 I've seen a few, a few, a few incidents where, you know, we 512 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,840 had to come down to A, to A, to a crew and come into their area 513 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,520 with, you know, packing a lot of guns and, you know, putting them 514 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,120 up against the wall and even put them put one in their leg, you 515 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,280 know. Yeah. 516 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,640 No, no, we had to, We had a few incidents where we had to show 517 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,320 up, show our strengths. And I want you to. 518 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040 Yeah, once you do, you you had to once. 519 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,040 You're getting that. It's a violent world is my point 520 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,840 of bringing this up. I want to talk, you know, this 521 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280 is what I want to talk about and the reason why I want to talk to 522 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,680 you about this, David, because this is, this is what's kind of 523 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,240 going on in Vancouver, the Downtown Eastside. 524 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 And believe it or not is probably worse than when you 525 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520 when you were there. So think of all the money they 526 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,320 spent and all the promises after Robert Pecton and all the, you 527 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320 know, all the all the the the tragedy of this neighborhood you 528 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800 know there and and you probably know too, you've been there. 529 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,160 There's a lot of good, decent people that live there. 530 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840 You know what I mean? This happened to they, they 531 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,960 happen to live there and you know, they this is their 532 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,760 neighborhood, this is their community, right? 533 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480 So their community is, you know, rife with drugs. 534 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,560 Rife, you know, that's the root problem, right? 535 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040 The the addiction is always there's always going to be a new 536 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,560 drug, a new thrill, a new high, a new this, a new that. 537 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,800 Yeah, that's all it is. The world's changing, buddy. 538 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,640 It's changing. A changing in an experimental 539 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,040 way. I guess you're they're going to 540 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,320 learn off our mistakes or or or it might be successful. 541 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,360 We're going to eventually find out, right? 542 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640 For sure, For sure. It's scary though. 543 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,840 It's scary and it's a scary prospect, right? 544 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360 So David, let's cut it off here. Let's do a Part 2, Let's do a 545 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Part 2 next week, because I feel like we just barely even 546 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,200 scratched the surface here. And you know, again, you know, 547 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400 I, I asked the listeners, please listen to other David's podcasts 548 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240 on my platforms on iTunes, Spotify. 549 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,320 All major platform. He's a great storyteller. 550 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,120 He really breaks down his experience. 551 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,760 David has nothing to do with the drug world anymore. 552 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,120 He's born again Christian and yeah this this life is behind 553 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,240 him and he's like one of the the he's a survivor of this world. 554 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480 I remember when I first met you and I was I was actually 555 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,000 beginning of telling that when I got sidetracked a little bit 556 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880 when I first met you from the Lisa Marie case. 557 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,480 That's How I Met you from the Lisa Marie case which is a 558 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,640 podcast I did as well. You sent me a picture of of the 559 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,480 Italian. Crew, when you were locked up 560 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400 back east and there was probably, what, like 20 dudes in 561 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,160 that picture, correct? Correct. 562 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,680 Yes. Yeah, and you're the only person 563 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,760 that survived out of that picture, So that's pretty 564 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,520 amazing. Well, it's it's sad that, you 565 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960 know, you lost all your friends, but the saying you're a 566 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760 survivor. So I'm grateful to have you as a 567 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,240 friend, and I'm grateful to hear your stories and for you to 568 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,440 break down your experience. Because ultimately. 569 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,320 What you want and the reason why you wanna talk on the podcast 570 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840 and Share your story. You want people not getting this 571 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320 life in the 1st place. You know you're getting this 572 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,680 life. You're gonna your life's gonna 573 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,120 get ruined. You're gonna get addicted. 574 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,440 It's gonna be violent. It's gonna be scary. 575 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560 And you're gonna hurt a lot of people that care about you too. 576 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,280 Correct. Correct. 577 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Correct. And you're exactly right. 578 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520 I'm. I'm doing this to tell people 579 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,400 that this don't, don't, don't get fooled by the by the media 580 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,000 and by the TV shows that this is a glamorous life and it's not. 581 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,040 It's not. Could be never had. 582 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680 And if you have have never used drugs. 583 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Don't, don't start, don't start. You know, that's all I can say. 584 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,360 And I'm 62 years old. By the grace of God, I've been. 585 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,080 I've been saved from a drug overdoses, bullets going through 586 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,160 me, knives bouncing off me. I mean, I can so many stories of 587 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,320 my life that I almost left me. And by the grace of God, I'm 588 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880 here today. And I'm just wanting to tell 589 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,800 people, hey, you know, this is this, this is not a way to live. 590 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,640 You know, it's not a way to live. 591 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,240 And if you don't know the Savior, Lord Jesus Christ, you 592 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,240 know get to know him because it's a good way to live. 593 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440 Well, David, I really appreciate you coming on on the show. 594 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,760 This is the Vancouver, the beautiful and ugly. 595 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,760 Unfortunately, we talked a lot about the ugly part of Vancouver 596 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960 and yeah, and let's continue this conversation, 'cause you 597 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,880 know, you've told me so this on the downtown East side, you've 598 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,360 told me so many stories off off the record already. 599 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,720 So I know we just barely scratched the surface on this 600 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,200 one. So let's please continue the 601 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,440 conversation and I with pleasures all mine having you on 602 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,840 my podcast. Thank you. 603 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,960 Thank you. God bless you, Mark. 604 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,320 All right, David, you take care. You have a wonderful day. 605 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440 You too. OK.