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Welcome to Vancouver, True 
Crime. 

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I'm with a very honored guest 
sad, little boy, who was a 

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police officer, the RCMP for 
over 20 years, he retired in 

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2021 as a divisional, sergeant 
major, for E division, in 

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British Columbia. 
His career revolved around RCMP,

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specialize in elite units. 
A flight safety officer. 

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Also known as an air marshal 
before moving on, as a full-time

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member of the BC Lower, Mainland
Emergency Response Team He was 

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both a breacher and a team 
leader. 

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In this conversation, we're 
going to talk about situational,

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awareness, his career, as an 
RCMP officer. 

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Polarizing politics of the city 
of Vancouver is a city more 

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violent, is it perception? 
Philosophy on mindset is 

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background in Brazilian 
jiu-jitsu. 

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He's currently a black belt, 
travels around, as a 

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motivational speaker, and many 
more things. 

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So, let's please introduce him. 
Thank you for Coming to 

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Vancouver. 
True Crime. 

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Hey man thanks for having me. 
I really appreciate you coming. 

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On the rank that you reach 
before you retired and kind of. 

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What does that rank mean? 
I'm not sure it means I'm it 

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means a lot theoretically 
speaking. 

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My career was based upon not 
caring about rank so much and 

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wanting to do the things that I 
wanted to do. 

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So if the job that I wanted was 
associated with a rank, then all

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the better but if it wasn't then
it wouldn't stop me from doing 

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it. 
And inversely I would never have

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taken a job that I didn't want 
to do on account of getting a 

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promotion. 
And so this was, you know, a 

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rule that I live by during my 
career. 

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And it certainly worked out it's
magic because I ended up three 

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ranks higher than I ever wanted 
to and and doing jobs that were 

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very important jobs on the on 
account of the collective, so to

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speak. 
So yeah, this was an opportunity

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was given to me when I was still
a team leader on the team on the

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Emergency Response Team and I 
was approached by the den seal 

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or commanding officer of the 
division here in British 

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Columbia Brenda Butterworth car 
who moved on to. 

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From the the director of 
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that's at the Province level, a 
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took office really? 
But yeah she approached me and 

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you know for for a reason that 
remains a bit of a mystery to me

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she had made up her mind that I 
was the right person to come 

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over and bridge. 
The gap between the executive 

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officers and the the 
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So people of Other ranks such as
Constable. 

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Corporal Sergeant, such etc, 
etc. 

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And so I you know was on the 
tail end of my year, T careers. 

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I if I'm being honest after 12 
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starting to consider that 
perhaps it was time to move on 

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even though I had no particular 
plan of doing so. 

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But after the offer took me 
about eight weeks to make up my 

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mind. 
And finally, leave the place 

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that I'd worked so hard to be at
in that was my soul. 

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Purpose for coming in the outfit
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Emergency Response Team. 
But I was provided this golden 

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opportunity and I felt like I 
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just that and join the 
commanding officers office as a 

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sergeant major, for the 
division. 

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And I spent two years in that 
role, I maybe talk about for the

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Emergency Response Team and 
maybe break that down for, 

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again, for someone who's never 
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it on on television. 
In shows and Hollywood Netflix. 

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What's that lake? 
Is that it kind of an accurate 

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perception of what you see on 
Hollywood. 

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Yeah. 
No, it's nothing. 

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Like all it would I mean some of
it obviously sometimes reality 

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can exceed fiction but the 
reality is the way tactical 

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teams are portrayed in the in 
the, you know, Hollywood sort of

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context is almost always 
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right? 
And so, And this is this is my 

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opinion on that. 
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respond to calls for service 
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Patrol officers and this is not 
doesn't mean to be their 

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regulatory in nature, but we're 
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equipment and and so it is an 
elite unit that uses those tools

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and those tactics techniques and
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equipment, as well as a training
to problem-solve, is Issues 

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critical issues. 
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and prevent an escalation of 
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So sometimes, yes, we maybe ask 
a leading violence in order to 

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deescalate a situation. 
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controlled fashion. 
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articulated, rationale and 
everything is done under the 

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tutelage. 
In the end, the oversight of a 

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critical incident command Group,
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negotiators. 
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dog squads and variety of 
different units that can provide

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inside. 
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effectively that. 
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Response Team ground thiel's and
the element leads on the ground.

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That can provide direct input 
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wheels meet the pavement. 
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of action based on the totality 
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a nutshell. 
What this looks like as time 

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went on On in that like because 
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amount of training for the 
different types of scenarios and

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there is a lot of variety of a 
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a even were last conversation. 
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say a domestic violence 
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control guys drunk and he's 
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more and more violent or really 
bad people with explosives and 

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guns and they're holding someone
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So you feel like the variety of 
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It was for constantly, did you, 
did you find that? 

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You don't just have to kind of 
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because it's because situations 
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weapons or changing. 
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and people looking on the mental
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they had that that that's a 
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you're walking into a very 
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Yeah, we as you mentioned we we 
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Third persons, or people with 
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issues, a lot differently than 
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that's taken somebody hostage 
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criminal barricade now, right? 
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a lot of complexities around 
changing even one variables on a

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call that changes the entire 
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response, but having a base 
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Focus. 
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control, like our training and 
tactically, having our equipment

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available, having are equipment 
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understanding her, legal 
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understanding what the offense 
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Having the right briefing 
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All those things we can control.
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those things, we're able to 
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situation might be regardless if
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same as another one. 
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assessment, once we're looking 
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circumstances were able to, 
we're able to pick exactly where

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this call differs from the 
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and how we are going to bridge 
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tactics techniques and 
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those calls. 
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keeping you on your, on your 
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So to speak. 
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of flexibility. 
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to be able to problem-solve, a 
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all with different set of 
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But the decompressing from after
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know, that would take a toll 
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post-traumatic stress issues, 
things like that, because it's 

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this constant, you're thrown 
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and then expected to solve it in
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Then yeah, you know, I think 
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We we, as a Unit and and we've 
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when it came to Wellness and 
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our operators. 
But over the years we developed,

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you know, several key principles
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some procedures to deal with and
enable our people to not only 

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remain healthy, but also go back
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and then come back and then 
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because the calls are not coming
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So having a way to deal with 
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and I was I was semi 
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for this specific team. 
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only one that was invested and 
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And many of our people did that 
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complexities around occupational
stress injuries PTSD, who gets 

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it, who doesn't who have, who it
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And to a certain extent, the job
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extent and is just varies and 
scoop you know, how impacted is 

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someone should somebody else and
it all depends on individual 

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factors, such as resiliency, you
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not you know, selection all 
those things but it but in a 

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context of a tactical units like
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way of selection and way of 
testing by way of everything, we

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were able to mitigate perhaps 
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effects or the after-effects of 
tactical operations, we weren't 

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able to eliminate them but 
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is as good as it's going to get.
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the day, there is a sacrifice 
associated with service, right? 

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And that's, that's a big part of
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So, trying to mitigate it and 
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as humanly possible mostly 
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of it is kind of out of our out 
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So, too, Speak right breacher, 
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What does that mean? 
Yeah, it's bent. 

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I want to say five years of the 
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that gained entry to the 
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So that's the person that is 
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from outside a building, or a 
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The case may be into inside and 
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in a safe manner so that they 
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whatever issue is is occurring 
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Because we, we can have the best
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outside, but if we can get them 
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we're having bigger problems, 
right? 

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So, I, my job was essentially to
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means, or ballistic means or or 
explosive means to get inside a 

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building, so that the team could
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the door waiting for you like 
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Just yeah, that would be pretty 
intense, I can imagine my 

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question is that You ever get 
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say the doors completely 
barricaded and that and that is 

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the, that is the reaction they 
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And they this is their, their 
big moment or, you know. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, yes, I've encountered 

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plenty of barricades. 
I've been counted, I've 

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encountered plenty of people 
wanting a negative interaction 

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with Oodles of people that 
decided afterwards. 

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They really didn't want an 
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Once once they go once, they got
the team to deal with, Certain 

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things. 
But yeah, those are those are, 

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you know, humans are complex 
creatures men. 

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The people do things for various
reasons and it's not always 

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logical and it's not always 
common sensical as far as 

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everybody else is concerned. 
No, there there's another 

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podcast he I listen to he's 
quite a fascinating character. 

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He has podcast is called Ed 
Manifesto. 

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He was a cop in Mexico. 
And, and he talks a lot about 

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intention. 
There's there's nothing you can 

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do now. 
There's no training. 

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There's nothing you can. 
As far as someone's intention, 

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you know, someone's intentions 
are so crazy in the on yours 

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that there's there's no 
preparation to prepare for it 

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and and I think that's what 
makes situations is so volatile 

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because it's like, wait, what 
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They just so crazy that they 
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is this is the thing that 
they've been planning for a long

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time, right? 
How How mentally do you prepare 

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yourself for that and how they 
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I guess there must be important.
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balance and yeah, I would, I 
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would describe my 12 years on 
the team as balanced quite, you 

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know, to make it to Anna to a 
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That you need to be obsessed 
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you know, there are going to be 
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occur such as, you know, leaving
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whatever because you get called 
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leaving for extended period of 
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much of a work-life balance, but
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job that they absolutely hate, 
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doing easier to to maintain the 
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maintain. 
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and wellness. 
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from a purpose standpoint. 
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meaningful it does a lot to 
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sense that that I understood the
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that, you know, human beings are
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I should say, I should qualify 
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What my own limitations were and
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your people and caring for them 
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outside of the work capacity and
that often is what's missing and

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what's lacking. 
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you and it defines everything. 
You stand for anything, that 

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happens at interferes with a 
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alleviate this as much as we 
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we had to manage the stress 
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So furry, someone like yourself,
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spectrum. 
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responsibility or athletic, you 
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you know, been on these very 
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other end of the spectrum where 
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kind of a culture of 
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professional victims and then, 

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almost an industry of, and 
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And then course, this is created
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There has been this new kind of 
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Myself, I've had some bizarre 
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platform, you know, the a cab 
people and they seem to have the

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year of like politicians, you 
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cuts and they kind of want to 
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societies problems is because we
have cost but yet they don't 

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have a solution of how you 
replace that. 

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So here's a person like yourself
who's been on, probably some 

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pretty pretty scary. 
Violent calls that the average 

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person would even And it and 
then there's someone on the 

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other side screaming that you 
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environment that we find 
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loud. 
I don't believe at all that. 

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That's a majority of people. 
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very supportive of law 
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us. 
There are the quiet majority, so

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to speak. 
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loud minority, which, you know, 
You call your movement, a cab or

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whatever, whatever you want to 
call it. 

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You yes, far as I'm concerned, 
you've already discredited your 

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intent. 
You've already discredited your 

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thought process and you 
definitely negated your critical

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analysis capacity. 
I'm not even concerned. 

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These types agree with those 
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You know, sometimes an academic 
utopian way of dealing with 

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things. 
Sometimes I don't even have the 

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academic behind them, so they're
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They're just in Utopia, but they
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to back it up. 
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this it's Clear and evident 
there that we as a country are 

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failing and it's not just us as 
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others. 
We're failing in the leadership 

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Department, to establish what 
the reality is, and what the 

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root causes of some of the 
issues are, but look at the 

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states that have defunded the 
police right now, like New York 

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City, Chicago, the the murder 
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percent, it is just completely 
insane. 

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What's going on over there right
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And in fact, a lot of the 
politicians that were pushing to

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defund the police age agenda. 
And they're actually the in the 

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opposite direction and asking 
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they may the stats in their own 
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crimes and and so on. 
So now what we're seeing is a we

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want to go that way 100%. 
Oh wait this doesn't work. 

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It just backfired on us and 
let's go to complete opposite 

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way all along. 
I could have told you exactly 

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what was going to happen with 
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If anything, the police forces 
needed more money, more training

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more, call it, whatever you 
want. 

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But if you're taking it away, 
And they're still out there 

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doing the job. 
How can this come across as a 

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good idea? 
How is this? 

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Come across commonsensical? 
Because it certainly isn't and 

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it was always doomed to fail. 
And we're continuing to here in 

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the country and Canada. 
If we were to compare with the 

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state's, our stats are not 
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as they are in the state. 
So one could look here and say, 

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how do you actually quantify, 
what isn't, and what didn't 

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happen? 
Because that's a very difficult 

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part of policing is to try to 
prove. 

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What you prevented because most 
of your job and if you're doing 

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it correctly things are not 
happening, right? 

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And so and so it's very 
difficult, you have, your Ambush

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type scenarios where things are 
happening in would happen. 

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Anyways. 
And then you have your other, 

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the other side of the spectrum, 
where if you have prevented a 

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whole bunch of things then you 
can't, you can no longer prove 

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that those things would have 
interfered with everybody's 

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well-being, right? 
And so it's really difficult to 

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quantify. 
What isn't and it's Extremely 

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difficult to keep track of what 
is yeah and also too on top of 

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it. 
I truly believe that we live in 

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a more dangerous volatile 
Society currently, you know, 

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like the random we talked before
random violence, you know, 

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people mentally ill, probably on
hard drugs and in the state of 

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psychosis attacking people, 
right? 

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That seems to be on the rise 
especially interested in the 

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downtown. 
In my opinion, I really believe 

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that the courts and the judges 
have a have a Vaughan civilian 

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this because they just seem to 
let them out, let them out and 

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let them out. 
The guy that smashed up the TD 

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Bank. 
I wrote, it saw us yesterday, 

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always back out again, he's 
probably guessing not must be 

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frustration. 
You take a bad person off the 

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street, just to have them 
released again, you know, that, 

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that machete attack or, you 
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And back out on the street, 
can't find them Police Issue a 

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bulletin, you know, please keep 
your eye out for him, right. 

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I think they arrested him again 
but you know, in my opinion a 

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person willing to wave around a 
machete and actually use it at 

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term a menace to society. 
Right. 

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Seems like the courts are never 
really countable of why they 

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make a decision or don't make a 
decision. 

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And of course, the and lot of 
the cases that I researched and 

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talked about and did on the 
Podcasts. 

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I talk about the crown 
prosecutor staying charges and 

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to Americans, that doesn't make 
any sense to them. 

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While the dino, we mean they 
stayed the chart, they don't 

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know what that means. 
And I explained that a lot. 

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So I think our system is very 
different and it doesn't really,

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I don't think it's helps the 
situation either. 

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There's an uptick in violence 
that you think that they would 

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be more proactive of trying to 
mitigate it but it just stays 

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been treated very differently. 
I guess that's a different 

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conversation but be Is in what 
your thoughts are? 

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Mmm. 
Yeah, I mean, the system itself,

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needs them an overall rate, it 
needs an overhaul, it just, it 

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just does. 
I mean, there's so many 

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interrelated and interconnected 
pieces that need to work 

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together and those pieces need 
to be pulling in the same 

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direction as I as it stands 
right now. 

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We're absolutely not doing that.
And the reason why we're 

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successful in none doing that, 
Is because there isn't as much 

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happening that makes us pay for 
our faulty Behavior. 

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So to speak, right? 
And so, I'll give you an example

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of this and try to exemplify 
this a little bit more 

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concretely. 
But if you're looking at 9/11, 

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for example, if you looking at 
9/11 and the way, the agencies 

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were not communicating, with 
each other, they were building, 

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you know, Empires. 
They had different communication

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systems, they work on different 
radios. 

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They had different shift 
schedules. 

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They You know, and everybody was
concerned concerned with you, no

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problem solving their own set of
issues and not necessarily 

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interacting with others or using
others in the, in the pursuit of

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doing that, or whatever, the 
case may be until the planes 

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hit, right? 
And when the, when the planes 

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hit, New York and in 
Pennsylvania, and, and all this 

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good stuff during 911, it forced
everybody to work together. 

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Better more seamlessly more. 
Ali and it forced everybody to 

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look and overall their 
processes. 

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So that they may be integrating 
other people and agencies and 

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they in a realizing there was 
such a duplication of work that 

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was, that was being a causality 
of some of the issues that they 

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that they had. 
But we're no different here with

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respect to the criminal justice 
system, I mean it starts at this

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legislation, right? 
So legislative The legislation 

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goes through. 
And if it's not if it doesn't, 

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if it doesn't have the teeth to 
give the judges and lawyers and 

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and and people in the position 
to actually operationalize or 

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weaponize, those legislations, 
we're having issues. 

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And and then once decisions are 
made say at the Supreme Court 

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level or whatever, if those 
decisions are seemingly say in 

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favor of That guy's or offenders
rather than victims, then there 

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has to be an extrapolation of 
what exactly transpired here and

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what what why was the decision 
that was made by the Supreme 

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Court was made on account of and
a lot of this stuff is legal 

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mumbo-jumbo than the leap. 
The laborers and win really 

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understand anyways so how can we
articulated? 

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So that the lay person can 
understand what this entails in 

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a variety of different Rabbit 
Hole you go, you can go down up.

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Right? 
But at the end of the day, we 

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definitely definitely need to 
look at recidivism that we have,

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in this country, which respect 
to, and I think Vancouver. 

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And in the documentary, I think 
he will think over is dying. 

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Don't they speak about, you 
know, six thousand arrests, 

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like, or 6,000? 
People being responsible for 

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50,000 calls or something. 
I can't remember. 

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I can't remember where the 
numbers were, but I mean I've 

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experienced, I've experienced it
myself where we had someone when

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I was on patrol that we We 
essentially was intoxicating a 

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public place, pretty much every 
day sometimes two or three times

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a day and some of these guys 
would have to re-400 

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apprehension, you know? 
And and and spend the night in 

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jail and that wasn't somebody 
that had a propensity for 

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violence. 
But imagine if somebody did, 

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somebody had a propensity for 
violence. 

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In addition to what they're 
already having as a set of 

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issues and then you allow them 
to be back on the street. 

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Again, re-victimizing other 
people in the same can be said 

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about or doing sexual. 
Salts. 

454
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:09,900
A morsel two years. 
I've seen this, just from again,

455
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:14,800
running a platform falling news,
you know, looking at what's 

456
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,500
going on in the city. 
I have this from from my point 

457
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,700
of view. 
I've seen a real uptake in 

458
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:23,600
specifically in the random 
violence of unprovoked attacks, 

459
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,400
right? 
And some of them are this 

460
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,400
horrific, like, just like, just 
like there was one where a woman

461
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,600
made an improvised taser and she
was going around tasering people

462
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,800
for know, like, you know, yeah. 
Just like, like that's just 

463
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,500
insane cases. 
It seems like there are also 

464
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,700
under the influence of usually, 
a hard drug, meth defend amine, 

465
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:47,200
or something like that. 
And, and for the people that 

466
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,900
contact me that who have been 
victims of and mostly women, you

467
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,700
know, their testimonies are 
terrifying, like, you know, pull

468
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:59,100
me, but her neighbor. 
She got hit in the head from 

469
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:02,300
behind, will walk in the seawall
and she woke up and st. 

470
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:07,400
Paul's Hospital citizen more. 
So now Lot less than safe than 

471
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,900
they used to. 
So baby, let's break down. 

472
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,000
You know what you feel is one of
the most important tools to 

473
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,200
possess situational awareness, 
and maybe talk about what that 

474
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,700
means and how why that's an 
important thing to to utilize 

475
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,100
when you're out and about in 
public? 

476
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,400
Mmm. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

477
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,200
I mean situation awareness. 
Is just essentially having the 

478
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,400
awareness that. 
Yes, there are people out there 

479
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,100
that are wanting to do bad 
things to good people and that 

480
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,000
you may be one of those good 
people. 

481
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,500
So you simply it's a, it's an 
assumption of risk that when you

482
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,600
leave your house and you open 
that door and you walk out, 

483
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,500
there's a variety of things that
will expose you to potential 

484
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,900
dangers. 
And so you have two choices, you

485
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,400
can put your head in the sand 
and pretend they don't exist and

486
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,200
wish that you don't get caught. 
You know, if you're lucky and 

487
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,800
then we know that Wishes the 
last dying wish of those, who 

488
00:27:57,808 --> 00:28:02,200
believe that winning Can Happen 
by accident, or you can 

489
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,400
literally take your fate into 
your own. 

490
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,400
Ends and start looking 
critically at how you were 

491
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,000
conducting business. 
How you were doing things, how 

492
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,700
to you are approaching your car 
where do you park? 

493
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,600
What time do you do it at which?
Which route you take home, which

494
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,400
route you go to work on, you 
know, those types of things. 

495
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,700
So having really having and 
also, you know, remake staying 

496
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,800
in a semi state of alertness and
I'm not talking about like being

497
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,900
in the red State here, where 
you're completing on high alert 

498
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,300
waiting for them to come out of 
everywhere, but I'm talking 

499
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,400
about simply you. 
You know, if you're if you're 

500
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,800
proceeding through an airport 
and intersection or whatever the

501
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,300
case may be, are you on your 
phone? 

502
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:43,700
You know, with all looking 
around, do you scan around the, 

503
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,400
you know, generally speaking, 
who standing around you with 

504
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,500
their demeanor is like what kind
of threat, they might pause. 

505
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:53,700
If somebody approaches you, do 
you have the knowledge skills 

506
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,100
and ability to look at their 
hands, to make sure they cannot 

507
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,700
deliver a threat because they 
don't necessarily have something

508
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,800
in their hands or if they do 
creating some distance like you 

509
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,200
know, there's there's there's 
two things, there's a situation 

510
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,200
situation, awareness piece, And 
then there's the associated 

511
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,300
actions that you're going to 
take. 

512
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,300
Once you realize what's going 
on, so understanding what's 

513
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:15,500
happening, and what you need to 
be doing to sort of lessen or 

514
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,300
mitigate the risk associated 
with a certain event is critical

515
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:23,500
in ensuring that you are safe 
and, and that needs to be done 

516
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,900
on an individual basis, is no 
questionnaire. 

517
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,700
Right, of course. 
So what if you not necessary 

518
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,500
you're in the situation? 
Like, I mean, you're more of a 

519
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:35,600
witness but let's say you're 
like out with your spouse or 

520
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,300
friends or loved ones, or 
whoever you're only saying the 

521
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,900
restaurant Pub or somewhere a 
bit crowded. 

522
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:44,900
There's lots of people in like a
big fight breaks out or there 

523
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,300
was a video. 
I think I sent you a copy was a 

524
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:51,800
stabbing just before Halloween, 
pretty horrific videos, a big 

525
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,100
dude, he fought awful four or 
five guys, he end up getting 

526
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,600
Stabbed but you know chairs are 
being kicked over tables or 

527
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,300
being kicked. 
Over is pretty, you know, pretty

528
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,800
dramatic stuff. 
Right? 

529
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,700
What would you say the best 
thing to do in a situation like 

530
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,000
that if you're with a loved one 
though if you know what I mean. 

531
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,800
Mmm Yeah. 
Well there's there's a variety 

532
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,300
of different scenarios right. 
They need all depends who you 

533
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:17,100
are and what your skills 
knowledge and abilities are. 

534
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,500
But I would I will say this 
generally speaking things just 

535
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,900
don't come out of nowhere. 
Generally speaking there's a 

536
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,200
there's a build up to those 
things. 

537
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,000
So I'm going to surmise That 
during or before the fight, in 

538
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000
the case of the video you sent 
me there there there has to have

539
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,900
been a, an escalation sorta 
between, you know, the parties 

540
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,200
and and and something that could
have been easily picked off 

541
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,800
proper, probably if somebody was
paying attention. 

542
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,600
And so for me, it starts there. 
Like, is there a my sitting next

543
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,800
to a group that I anticipate, my
have some issues, and my, are 

544
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,800
they starting to interact 
adversely with another group? 

545
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,400
And if that's the case, how how 
do I go about getting my wife 

546
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,100
myself and the kids moved, you 
know, by speaking to one of the 

547
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,600
waiter or whatever the case may 
be? 

548
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,800
So there are actions that you 
can take before it blows up. 

549
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,800
Then this might include you 
picking up your stuff and 

550
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,600
heading out, like, we're gonna 
we're gonna take it to go, like 

551
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,900
I don't like the current 
situation that the climate in 

552
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:21,600
here. 
I don't like the crowd in here. 

553
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,400
I don't like what's unfolding in
here and I suspect it will 

554
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,900
Escalade Let's grab our, let's 
grab our food and head out, you 

555
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,000
know, those are, those are all 
viable options. 

556
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:35,300
As far as I'm concerned. 
I have, you know, certain things

557
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,700
that I'm not prepared to do one 
of those things. 

558
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:43,900
Is, I'm not prepared to let the 
collective, the, the innocent 

559
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:49,300
Collective sustained injuries, 
or, or being hurt by somebody 

560
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:54,900
that's actively looking to hurt 
people but not in the context of

561
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,500
a specific conflict. 
So you have two people that 

562
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,700
disappear consensually decide to
fight. 

563
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,300
That's their prerogative man. 
I'm not getting involved in this

564
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,700
and less and less, you know, 
evidently one person is now, you

565
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,400
know, on the ground unconscious 
and the other one is going to 

566
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,700
kick him in the head so to 
speak. 

567
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,300
But I'm not. 
This is those are not the types 

568
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,700
of scenarios that I generally 
would get involved in the 

569
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,500
involved in. 
Unless there is an actual victim

570
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,100
like somebody is actually being 
victimized by a criminal 

571
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,800
offense. 
Like for me, the priority is 

572
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,100
always to get the family out of 
there and they can do they can 

573
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,100
We can generally will have those
conversations before like this 

574
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:34,100
where the exit, the emergency 
exit is, this is, this is where 

575
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:37,100
we can link up. 
If something goes up and if I'm 

576
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:39,400
in a restaurant and something 
starts escalating and we're 

577
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,500
making some moves, I might be 
telling the people I'm with like

578
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,900
look if something happens. 
This is this. 

579
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:46,300
What I'd like you to do, you 
know? 

580
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:51,000
And and we generally we 
generally get you know kind of 

581
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
kind of do this and the bit of a
plan B. 

582
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,000
He's failing to have a plan is 
no plan. 

583
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Yeah, for sure. 
I do know I have a large female 

584
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,700
audience, so I looked like 
safety tips for them as well, 

585
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:10,000
women for a good general, safety
tips for women are out by 

586
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,700
themselves, you know, like just 
doing their thing shopping. 

587
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,700
Because what this, again these 
random attacks lot of times, 

588
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:21,500
it's like a woman downtown 
shopping guy hits her in the 

589
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,300
head with a hammer, you know, 
just as well. 

590
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,600
The worst thing I could possibly
imagine, you know, thinking 

591
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,200
things out That's for like what?
Over some advice? 

592
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,500
Would you give them perilous? 
Yeah, I mean exactly the same as

593
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:34,800
we just discussed, right? 
Having your wits about you, 

594
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,100
keeping your eyes open, 
understanding that again. 

595
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,800
As I said earlier, that, that 
bad things happen to good people

596
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,800
and that you are not exempt from
that. 

597
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:50,600
You you are going to have your 
time, something is going to 

598
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,200
happen. 
It's almost guaranteed if you 

599
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,200
live in an urban center 
specifically and and and and 

600
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,800
your tools to prevent those 
things from happening are 

601
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,200
hinging primarily in your 
ability to recognize the threat 

602
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,000
before it starts. 
And if you don't have that, 

603
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,300
you're going to be reactive when
you are reactive, you're always 

604
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,000
behind. 
You can never, you can never 

605
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,699
sort of beat somebody to the 
punch so to speak. 

606
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:21,000
If they are, if they're the 
initiator and you weren't 

607
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,100
prepared for whatever it is, 
that's coming. 

608
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:28,199
And so again, in the spirit of 
every We just discussed, it's a 

609
00:34:28,207 --> 00:34:31,800
critically important for women 
and men to actually be paying 

610
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,900
attention, to their 
surroundings, to pay attention 

611
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:36,500
to the environment, to pay 
attention to the people walking 

612
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,600
towards them, to make sure that 
they use physical obstacles in 

613
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,900
between them and somebody else. 
If they, if they can switch, you

614
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,100
know, Streetside if they have to
whatever the case may be, so 

615
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,199
that they may create some 
distance and have more time to 

616
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:55,500
react to anything in one of the,
one of the critical piece that I

617
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,500
think we Would we need to 
mention? 

618
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:02,800
Is that the people that are 
victimizing people in random 

619
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Fashions? 
Like this is, generally not so 

620
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,300
Random. 
It's random in that there's no 

621
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:10,300
known affiliation between the 
victim and the person, that's 

622
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,800
obviously assaulting them more 
or doing something to them, but 

623
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
it's not random in the sense 
that the person that's selected 

624
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,100
that victim, picked them for a 
reason. 

625
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,900
And generally, that reason is 
the perceived factors of them 

626
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:29,000
not having the ability to 
Physically overpower the person 

627
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,800
that's delivering the threat or 
the or the, you know, the 

628
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,400
assault or that the risk of 
getting caught is very low. 

629
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,700
So ability to fight back is a 
big thing. 

630
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,500
If the person doesn't think that
you have the ability to fight 

631
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,100
back and just could be 
completely erroneous, you may 

632
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,400
you may you know mistakenly fall
on the person that actually 

633
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,600
doesn't look like they can fight
back for very capable and now 

634
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,800
you're in a bad place but 
generally bullies will select 

635
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,600
our I get very carefully, they 
will select their target so that

636
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:02,800
their own safety is not 
jeopardized by whatever actions 

637
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,500
that they're taking. 
They're also used surprise and 

638
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,000
violence of action to prevent 
somebody from that even 

639
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,200
potentially could have the place
the the, the ability to defend 

640
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,900
themselves. 
But because they were surprised 

641
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,300
they were ambushed. 
They, they haven't had an 

642
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,500
opportunity to do it. 
So so there are trying to 

643
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,700
control the parameters, around, 
whatever criminal Behavior, 

644
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:29,300
they're exhibiting. 
And so the best way to alleviate

645
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:32,100
any of that is to actually 
Harden the target, which is a 

646
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,900
concept in which if a person is 
looking at you, are they going 

647
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,900
to think this is something? 
This is somebody I could con 

648
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,200
right now, they're not paying 
attention, they're not doing 

649
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,400
this. 
They're not doing that. 

650
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,100
They're completely exposed or 
Baxter and everybody there 

651
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,200
buried in their phone and also 
they're out of shape, they don't

652
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,500
have the ability, it looks like 
they don't have the ability to 

653
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,800
fight whatever and is there. 
No. 

654
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Is there anybody around that? 
Can that can Have me caught if 

655
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,700
the answer is no to all of those
questions then that person is a 

656
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:01,600
perfect candidate. 
Conversely. 

657
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,800
If the person looks like they're
paying attention that they're 

658
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,500
scanning that their safety 
conscious that potentially are 

659
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,400
in good, physical condition with
an ability to run fight, or 

660
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,700
scream or whatever the or 
combination of all of those 

661
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:19,000
things and and is generally 
aware of your presence in the 

662
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,500
area and looking at you in a 
sort of suspicious, you know. 

663
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,300
Way, like they're looking at you
like, knowing that you're up to 

664
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,900
no good. 
And then that person now has to 

665
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:33,200
make a choice. 
Am I going to take that person 

666
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,600
or the next person that actually
doesn't give me any of those 

667
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600
signs? 
And the answer is always the 

668
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,400
same. 
They will pick the person that 

669
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000
has the less likelihood of 
getting him hurt or cut every 

670
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,200
single time. 
Well, that makes sense totally. 

671
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,900
So you're a martial arts 
instructor, you're also a 

672
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,800
co-owner of a martial arts 
studio. 

673
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,000
What's the name of your studio? 
Essential martial arts, and 

674
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,000
you're currently a black belt in
Brazilian jiu-jitsu for women. 

675
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Men who are interested in 
learning martial arts. 

676
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,500
Maybe. 
Tell them more why you believe. 

677
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:11,900
Brazilian jiu-jitsu is better 
martial arts and say karate or 

678
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:18,000
the other ones. 
Well it's not so much as better 

679
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,800
in terms of its application. 
It's not necessarily better on 

680
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,400
all aspects and we've discussed 
this last time but it's not 

681
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,800
necessarily better for 
disciplines and their silly 

682
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,000
better for, you know, mental and
emotional Wellness. 

683
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,700
All those things, you can get a 
lot out of any martial arts and 

684
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:38,100
doing that, but I think when it 
comes to the wheels, hitting the

685
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:43,700
pavement, what we have seen and 
this became quite obvious in 3, 

686
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:47,300
when the UFC first started, and 
everybody was expecting these 

687
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:52,000
striking Arts to be dominating 
and really, it was never the 

688
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,500
case hardly ever. 
And it was mostly some skinny 

689
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:59,200
ground fighter that used, you 
know, you know, leverage and 

690
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:05,100
angles, and techniques and, and 
fulcrums and levers and to be 

691
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:10,300
able to overcome natural 
strength, power and athleticism 

692
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:14,300
of an opponent, right? 
And so, one of the biggest One 

693
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,700
of the biggest concern is that 
you're always at the mercy of 

694
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:22,200
somebody that has a better 
physical gift for violence. 

695
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:26,100
So sighs, you know, speed power,
all those things are very 

696
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:31,000
concerning and so, having an art
that whole premise, they called 

697
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,400
it, the gentle art. 
And the whole premise is to have

698
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,500
the ability to defend yourself 
by using techniques tactics 

699
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:42,200
procedures, things that are 
science-based, that are helping 

700
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,100
you alleviate. 
And negate some of the tools 

701
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,800
that the other person might have
such as speed, power and status 

702
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,900
is MM. 
And so that is essentially the 

703
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:53,400
basic premise of Brazilian 
jiu-jitsu. 

704
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,100
So it makes it a very effective 
art. 

705
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:59,000
However, it also has to be 
combined with an ability to 

706
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,700
protect against strike, because 
if you have no ability to 

707
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:05,000
protect against strike or you 
don't have any tag down cap 

708
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,100
abilities. 
Now, you are looking at not 

709
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,800
being able to impose your will 
with your Jiu-Jitsu because you 

710
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
simply cannot That close enough 
for you can get the person to 

711
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,200
the ground or whatever the case 
may be. 

712
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,800
And so if you were to look at it
from a self-defense perspective,

713
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,800
the actual best way to do it is 
to kind of go with a mixed. 

714
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Martial art Roots, which gives 
you a comprehension and an 

715
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,400
understanding of the basic 
mechanics of stand-up fighting 

716
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,600
striking and then also of the 
mechanisms that you can use and 

717
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,500
will use to bring the person 
where you want to bring them 

718
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,800
which is in the case of 
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on the And 

719
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,200
so that you may enact tactics 
and techniques that you have in 

720
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,100
the ground fighting realm. 
And so, having the ability to 

721
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,900
marry up those three things 
ability to sustain and survive, 

722
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:58,500
an assault and initial, and 
initial Onslaught having the 

723
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,400
ability to control the fight and
bring the fight where you want 

724
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,900
it. 
And then impose your will with 

725
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,100
your Technique and your, and 
your angles, and your and your 

726
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,900
leverage. 
When on the ground with the 

727
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:16,900
person is, is critical. 
And so there is no magic pill in

728
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,200
all of those things. 
You just need to put the time in

729
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,100
and you need to, you need to be 
acquainted to a reasonable level

730
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,800
so that you may perform under 
stress, but it's important thing

731
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,700
that you bring up too. 
Because a lot of these 

732
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:31,900
situations are very volatile and
the average person who may not 

733
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:35,500
even been in a fight before, men
never been in a violent 

734
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,400
encounter. 
It's a real different thing when

735
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,200
you're in that moment and it's, 
you know, adrenaline is going 

736
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,100
and it's a, you know, for a lot 
of people, very frightening. 

737
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:49,700
So even the ability to try to 
stay calm in these situations 

738
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,000
are very helpful and stuff so 
that the training for that is 

739
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400
important, right? 
And then even, I even look at as

740
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,300
a confidence booster, if you 
take someone, even regardless of

741
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,800
the martial arts, they choose 
fight them dedicating 

742
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,800
themselves, and they're getting 
more physical fed confidence 

743
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,300
goes up. 
They may not just this for that 

744
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,000
alone. 
They, as we were talking about 

745
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,800
won't appear to be an ideal Cleo
victim, as much as say, someone 

746
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,200
who doesn't That training and 
that ability to kind of stay 

747
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,300
calm under a very scary 
situation. 

748
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,500
Let's talk about the teen 
violence because that's 

749
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,700
something that does concern me. 
And I do see that this is seen 

750
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:29,400
something that's on the rise. 
It seems like teens are more 

751
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,700
violent and what's carry with 
them is that they do swarming 

752
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:38,100
attacks that used knives, they 
use up bear spray and they do 

753
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,500
these horrible coordinated 
attacks on their victims, 

754
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,800
regardless if they're male or 
female, it, which is really You 

755
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,300
really disturbing it's almost 
something like that of Lord of 

756
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:50,500
the Flies or something. 
What's your thoughts on this 

757
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:54,100
phenomenon? 
Yeah, I mean there is some there

758
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,500
is some empirical data that's 
being collected as we speak and 

759
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,800
I can't, I can't Source it right
now, but I'm sure if your 

760
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,700
listeners are listening to this,
they'll be able to kind of look 

761
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,400
it up. 
But there is, there is some 

762
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:11,900
empirical evidence suggesting 
that the, the brain size of the 

763
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:16,900
current teenagers of actually 
shrunk and it's taken and one of

764
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,200
the one of the part of the 
brain. 

765
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,000
That's Really shrunk is the part
that's responsible for empathy. 

766
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,800
So I don't know if the 
prefrontal cortex or I believe 

767
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,300
it might be and then so they 
would be resorting more to the 

768
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:32,400
monkey brain or that a mandala 
amigdala to basically respond to

769
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,600
certain stimuli eyes. 
It sounds like, it sounds like 

770
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,500
an innocuous thing, but think 
about taking empathy of humans. 

771
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,700
Like I can't think of anything 
more catastrophic than that. 

772
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:46,200
I mean, if you don't have that 
in your dehumanizing humans, I 

773
00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:49,400
mean, the sky's the limit on 
what it is that I'm willing and 

774
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,100
able and capable of doing to 
other people. 

775
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,600
And so I wouldn't be surprised 
if that's the case on account of

776
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
electronics and having your 
entire world and thrall, didn't 

777
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400
it having such a part, 
polarizing social media 

778
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,900
landscape, and having having 
some some such political 

779
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,900
division and whatever. 
So, all those things are feeding

780
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:16,200
into some of the, some of the 
things that might be compounded 

781
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,400
by the fact that there are some 
physiological. 

782
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,600
Associated with all the things 
that we're living with nowadays.

783
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:28,700
So, it seems as though they have
the ability experts, have the 

784
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,700
ability to kind of put their 
fingers on some of the main 

785
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:37,800
contributors, and that's both 
concerning and elating at the 

786
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,100
same time because if we can 
point a finger on it, then can 

787
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:44,900
we do something to, you know, 
turn this around? 

788
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,300
And the answer generally is yes,
but it has to be it. 

789
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:53,100
Has to be identified first. 
So I would say that with all 

790
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,700
that, and the dissent, a 
desensitization to violence 

791
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,600
perpetrated by, you know, video 
games and and, and, and trust 

792
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,200
me, I where I played video games
and video games, I'll make 

793
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Killers. 
But if Killers have, if people 

794
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,400
have propensity for certain 
violent crimes and they're 

795
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,900
spending their entire time being
rewarded on a whether it's on a 

796
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:18,400
consumer Tori, you know, reward 
system or some other types of 

797
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,900
Reward as a result of their 
actions such as kicking an old 

798
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,600
lady in the head and in some 
video games they're playing, 

799
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,800
then it reinforces some some key
and very terrifying behaviors. 

800
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,900
And so, again it's this is for a
long-winded people that much 

801
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:38,300
smarter than me also but at the 
end of the day, we know that 

802
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:44,100
there is contributing factors 
several of them and All of them 

803
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,800
are in peace and parcel. 
Responsible, for what we are 

804
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,000
seeing today is quite 
frightening and stuff. 

805
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,400
You know, I've have, you know, I
have a stepson who's 22 and, you

806
00:45:56,408 --> 00:45:59,400
know, the really had a huge, you
know, I say you he's on a 

807
00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,900
violent kid or anything like 
that, but in the saying he had 

808
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:06,000
this massive big screen TV. 
You know, we're playing Call of 

809
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,500
Duty full blast and just bored 
what we do for him. 

810
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:10,900
He's fine. 
He's playing a game before. 

811
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,800
Some kid, maybe little know why.
Wired the right way and he's 

812
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,600
just in his submersible into 
this violent World being around 

813
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,200
teenage. 
So they're doing a lot more 

814
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,900
drugs, taking like dick. 
Like it's going out of style and

815
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:27,500
popping this and popping that 
drinking energy drinks and 

816
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,500
monsters and things like that. 
So very different, they're 

817
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,100
jacked up stuff. 
And then you know, again we're 

818
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,600
not talking about, you know, 
where, when I was 14, I probably

819
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,300
didn't have the most common 
sense either, but the level of 

820
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,100
violence is on a different 
level, it's just, it's quite, 

821
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:45,200
it's quite Frightening. 
And I, hopefully that's a, 

822
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,200
that's a trend that will go down
because it's pretty ugly. 

823
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
And in, even for them to look, 
we're saying before, they don't 

824
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,100
understand that you're going on 
committing violence to people, 

825
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,400
you're going to run into a dog 
way more vicious than you, and 

826
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,000
it's just a matter of time. 
And these 14 year old kids 

827
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,200
without their bear, spray won't 
have a chance. 

828
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,000
And honestly, it's almost like 
it's like, you know, Lord help 

829
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,700
them. 
If they ever run into a real 

830
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:12,300
real wolf, you know, it's it's a
troubling time for parents. 

831
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:14,700
Right. 
So yeah. 

832
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
So hopefully, you know, things 
will change. 

833
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,700
So for teenagers as I think, you
know, in my opinion, to be great

834
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,500
for teenagers, that go into 
martial arts and stuff like 

835
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,800
that. 
Do you have a lot of teen 

836
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,900
programs things like that? 
Your studio? 

837
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,800
Oh yeah, absolutely and 
teenagers I would say is 

838
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,900
probably our biggest 
demographics but it seems to be 

839
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,000
it seems to be consistent across
the Lower Mainland. 

840
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,300
The majority of Studios as you 
know, Oodles of Is that are out 

841
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,300
there doing the things, which is
good news, you know, but but the

842
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:54,300
entire conversation here, it 
kind of brings up another point,

843
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,500
which is the age of criminal 
responsibility raised like. 

844
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,000
And, and it's so interesting how
the United Nations despite 

845
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,300
having conversation with States 
and key players and people 

846
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:11,500
within the un's, you know, talk 
about or is that trying to 

847
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,200
establish a Anibal Miss in terms
of age of criminal 

848
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,300
responsibility yet. 
Here we are. 

849
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:21,000
You have places like Switzerland
that I think it's six years old 

850
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600
or something like that and then 
you have other places, which is 

851
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,100
where it where it's 18 writes, 
the Spectrum goes anywhere from 

852
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:33,800
five to literally 20, you know, 
in the world age of criminal 

853
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,800
responsibility yet. 
We know for a fact medically 

854
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,800
speaking and physiologically 
speaking that the brain does not

855
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,900
is Fully developed until the mid
20s. 

856
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:50,800
And so having the about the 
ability and the capacity to sort

857
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,200
of have consequential thinking 
with respect to the actions that

858
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,700
you are taking is coming later 
in age. 

859
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:00,100
And so those are all things that
we need to be. 

860
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,900
That we need to kind of be 
looking at also from a societal 

861
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:05,500
standpoint. 
Yeah it is. 

862
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:08,400
It's very troubling because 
again it's like what does the 

863
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,600
future hold for them right? 
For our society. 

864
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,500
Are they going to get More 
violent as they get older, or is

865
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,700
this like unfortunate is like a 
really terrible Trend. 

866
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:20,500
I hope it's a terrible Trend, I 
hope it doesn't, it's not 

867
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,100
something that's going to 
continue getting worse, you 

868
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:27,400
know, I wishful thinking but you
know, one can hope, right? 

869
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,900
Let's talk about then we're 
going back to Vancouver. 

870
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:36,200
So the bank were dying 
documentary, a multiple things 

871
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,400
going on with them, you know, 
from mental illness drug 

872
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,700
addiction and homelessness. 
How do we get these people so 

873
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,800
where they're off the street, 
getting the proper help, in my 

874
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,900
opinion, them being treated in a
kind of look at an open-air 

875
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:57,100
psychiatric, kind of facility 
with the public, to, in my 

876
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,400
opinion, it doesn't work. 
You know, II, don't know what 

877
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,500
the answer to this is. 
I mean, as it's and I'm sure 

878
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,000
it's a multi-prong answer and 
I'm sure it's way above my pay 

879
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,300
grade or, or even, you know, to 
a certain extent intellectual 

880
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,800
capacity but I think and 
evidently what needs to happen. 

881
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,600
So if you look at the base model
for managing the drug sort of 

882
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,900
pandemics in Vancouver had been 
established initially on four 

883
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:26,500
different pillars right out of 
those four pillars. 

884
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:31,400
Three were not used at all. 
So all's that was the entire 

885
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,000
work was done on one of the four
pillars, which was to rid, the 

886
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,100
harm reduction pillar, right? 
And and harm reduction only 

887
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,600
offers so much if you refuse to 
touch the rest of it. 

888
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:51,400
And so it's not so much that the
academic precedent that was sort

889
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,700
of the solutions that were 
worked out by academics before 

890
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:58,200
in relation to the drug crisis 
in Vancouver wasn't adequate. 

891
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,400
Is that the application of? 
It wasn't right. 

892
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:05,800
And so, it's not to say that the
plan wasn't good, but the the 

893
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,700
interpretation and enacting on 
that plan was erroneous. 

894
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,200
So, the question now is, We have
new leadership leadership coming

895
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,200
into the city. 
They will have to look at the 

896
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:24,100
evidence to critically and not 
worry so much about sort of the 

897
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:27,600
narrative polarizing narratives 
that are going around from one 

898
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,900
side or the other and and have 
that measured approach problem 

899
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:33,800
solving this. 
But also be very honest with 

900
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,500
what's actually occurring, you 
can sugarcoat things and then 

901
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,800
try to address them. 
You need to expose things so 

902
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,600
that you may address them. 
So expose them, and don't don't 

903
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,900
worry so much about shaming this
and that. 

904
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,700
And this other person, focus 
more on. 

905
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,800
How do we address this stop 
being a victim of your 

906
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,500
circumstances? 
We have a drug problem. 

907
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:59,600
Drugs isn't good. 
It's not about shaming, a not 

908
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,100
shaming. 
It's about the people that are 

909
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:05,600
actually doing it and that are 
addicted or lives are completely

910
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,400
at the mercy of those 
substances. 

911
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,200
It's almost like in the past, 
they've been they've been 

912
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,900
forgotten. 
Nothing about. 

913
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:16,300
So this is what your predicament
is and you will never get out of

914
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:18,100
it. 
So let's just make sure that we 

915
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,700
don't change them you know 
instead of like hey man you can 

916
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,100
you can do a lot better for 
yourself and you can have a lot 

917
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:25,800
better in way you have currently
and those are some of the ways 

918
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,400
that we can do this and but as 
long as we are catering to a 

919
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,100
sentence of controlling the 
Optics, if I if I can sort of 

920
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:39,800
phrase it phrase it this way 
it's not going to work in order 

921
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,500
for us to change things. 
We need to address things and We

922
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,800
need to address all their 
seriousness far as like the 

923
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,000
criminal aspects of drugs, you 
know, the trafficking, the 

924
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,900
exporters the, you know, the 
Smugglers and that kind of stuff

925
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,600
but I'm talking no 4 on the end 
user. 

926
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,100
How many of them would you say 
in your career as a police 

927
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,800
officer when you get into these 
volatile situations where the 

928
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,600
person was either under the 
influence of alcohol or drugs? 

929
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,100
Like what would you say? 
It was a pretty high percentage.

930
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Oh yeah, it was at least 95%. 
Wow, unbelievable. 

931
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,000
Yeah, I thought Bhai, I was 
getting my head, I was actually 

932
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,200
guessing about fifty percent. 
So that's that's incredible. 

933
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,700
The job is seems to have like, 
so many nuances that are not 

934
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,900
really in the best of the 
definition of the, the handbook 

935
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,200
of what a police officer is, 
where do you go from there? 

936
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,100
Right? 
If you can't even get to the 

937
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,000
point where it's saying, like, 
hey, this person was drunk and 

938
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,200
did all this violence, and 
therefore, they shouldn't be 

939
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,000
removed off the street. 
And then you have these people 

940
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,900
that kind of intervene on their 
behalf. 

941
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,300
Well, it's not their fault, they
have this, they have that. 

942
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,300
You know, it's a strange 
situation. 

943
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:48,100
We find ourselves in it really, 
is it is and it and they can 

944
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,900
blurs the lines. 
And then again it just keeps the

945
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,800
problem to where it has and if 
anything, it's growing worse, 

946
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,900
right? 
It's I've been aware of the 

947
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:59,900
downtown Eastside for about 30 
years, has been working in close

948
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,600
proximity, even had friends and 
ended up there, it is beyond 

949
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,800
worse than I've ever seen now it
is it's at the end of the day, 

950
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,100
if people are, doesn't matter if
they're in poverty or whatever 

951
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,600
they are and they deserve a Life
with dignity and life that they,

952
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,700
they should be able to get out 
of it if they want to. 

953
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,200
And it seems like, for whatever 
it is. 

954
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,400
It seems like they're trapped in
this horrible cycle is the 

955
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,900
cycle. 
That just keeps continuing 

956
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,500
continuing, so there we are. 
Right. 

957
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,500
Mmm. 
So why do you tell people what 

958
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,200
you're currently doing? 
Your, you have a new business 

959
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,900
now you're retired. 
You're not RCMP anymore. 

960
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:42,100
So what do you do now? 
Yeah, I do a variety of 

961
00:54:42,107 --> 00:54:44,300
different. 
When things but Consulting 

962
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,400
security or otherwise, I do 
performance coaching. 

963
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,000
So this is primarily I would 
say, life coaching, you know, 

964
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,300
like goal said and increasing 
performance in whatever field of

965
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,000
endeavor you're in. 
So I do a lot of one-on-one Zoom

966
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,700
type meetings and coaching on 
that. 

967
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,900
Do women person also, I do 
overseas work again in the 

968
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:13,700
security field primarily and I 
would say Dangerous areas. 

969
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,200
I currently I'm doing my masters
in global counterterrorism, so I

970
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,200
won't also in school at, you 
know, at the moment at the 

971
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,300
moment, which is taking a lot of
time, taking a lot of my time 

972
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:33,800
and what else I got going on? 
I'm doing that content creation 

973
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:39,900
and and and documentaries style 
projects that I have going on. 

974
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:43,800
And do I have I have a Book. 
I'm writing on what I'm working 

975
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,300
on that may end up being 
motivational videos, we don't 

976
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,700
know yet. 
It might actually, you know, go 

977
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:52,600
from being a book to to being 
another medium by which we're 

978
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,600
going to deliver our material. 
I do resilience training, I do 

979
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,000
leadership training with law 
enforcement and non-law, 

980
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,000
enforcement agencies, and bring 
my experience to bear in some of

981
00:56:04,008 --> 00:56:07,400
those and some of those circles.
So, yeah, so that's essentially 

982
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,100
what I'm doing, what I have been
doing for two years, but the 

983
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:14,000
name of your business Raven TJ. 
And how does one thing they're 

984
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,700
listening? 
How do they get in touch with 

985
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:19,200
you if they wanted to learn, 
Brazilian Jiu, Jitsu mindset or 

986
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,200
any of the other many things 
that you offer? 

987
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,300
Yeah, like Brazilian jiu-jitsu, 
they can go straight to the 

988
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,200
Ascension, Martial Arts, 
website, and send us an email, 

989
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,100
and we'll set up a special, you 
know, consultation where they 

990
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,400
can come and we're doing an 
introduction to Brazilian 

991
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,800
jiu-jitsu. 
If they've never seen it, if 

992
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,900
they've done it before, and they
want to just start, they can 

993
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,600
just send us a message and we 
can make that happen when it 

994
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,700
comes to the performance 
coaching side. 

995
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,900
I'd and anything related to me. 
My Instagram is probably the 

996
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,000
best way to do it my Instagram, 
I'm sure you'll have linked to 

997
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,300
your to the podcast here but 
well I really appreciate you 

998
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:58,700
taking the time honestly as with
its honor to interview you and I

999
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,600
want to thank you for your 20 or
service and I really appreciate 

1000
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,600
everything that you've done and 
really done a lot of stuff and 

1001
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,400
just really incredible story. 
So thank you so much for coming 

1002
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,400
on, Vancouver. 
True Crime. 

1003
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,900
Absolutely. 
Thanks for having me, man. 

1004
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:14,400
All right. 
You take care of. 

1005
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,600
You have a wonderful day. 
Sounds good YouTuber.