Today we are diving deep into one of Canada's most disturbing
criminal cases, the Robert Picton saga.
But this isn't just about the crimes themselves.
It's about society that looked away, the institutions that
failed to act, the chilling anomalies that suggest there's
far more to the story than the official narrative admits.
The Picton case isn't your typical serial killer story.
It's a labyrinth of unanswered questions, institutional
incompetence and potential cover up.
From identifying male DNA on victims remains to police
partying with criminals at the Piggy Palace, the details are so
bizarre they defy belief. Here's what makes the case truly
unsettling. Over 40 unidentified male DNA
profiles were found on evidence hinting at accomplices or a
broader network, yet this was never properly investigated.
An RCMP officers social visit to Picton where he tipped him off
about informants in a jaw-dropping breach of protocol.
Millions of documents still withheld.
Why the secrecy? Police ignored the 45 gallon
drums that Picton was discarding despite tips they contained
human remains. A witness saw Picton skinning a
woman in his barn. Yet her testimony was
mishandled. Piggy Palace, The Picton's
family after our club were cops, politicians and criminals
partied together with up to 2000 people at these events.
The absurd lone wolf narrative Despite evidence of a criminal
enterprise, critical files destroyed or lost, including a
1997 attempted murder case. 0 Accountability for senior
officials. Despite catastrophic failures,
police never followed up after picked and boasted in jail about
killing 49 women. And the final insult?
A whitewashed inquiry that dismissed all these red flags as
ludicrous. This case isn't just about
Picton. It's about power, corruption and
apathy that allowed horrors to go unchecked.
If you think this is just one man's evil, think again.
This real story is far darker. Forensic teams found
unidentified DNA on the teeth on victims Serena Abbott's Way,
Andrea Josbury. Multiple unidentified male DNA
profiles were found, and Picton's DNA was excluded as a
match on several samples. Experts testified they could not
determine the source of these profiles despite extensive
checks against databases of investigators, lab staff, known
associates. Additional male DNA was found on
items such as handcuff, keys, chewing gum.
A summary of the most disturbing and damning aspects of the DNA
evidence in the Picton case. So Male 11 and Male 12 DNA was
found on a bucket containing Andrea Josbury's severed hand,
indicating direct contact with the victim's remains.
Male 24's DNA was found on a bucket holding human remains,
suggesting participation in dismemberment or disposal.
These are not accidental or incidental transfers.
They imply hands on involvement in the murders.
Multiple unidentified men at the crime scenes.
At least 16 plus distinct male DNA profiles were found in key
areas like the slaughterhouse workshop, Picton's bedroom.
The slaughterhouse was a DNA hotspot.
The slaughterhouse alone contained DNA from 10 different
unidentified men, including on plungers with blood splatter,
Male 33 a welding face shield, Male 61 multiple pieces of
chewed gum. This is male 39, a male 40, male
47, male 50, Male 58, male 60 suggesting prolonged casual
presence. Pat Casanova Picton's friend Pat
Casanova's DNA was found everywhere on the bones in the
slaughterhouse, on a scale alongside victim Mona Wilson's
DNA in the workshop near human remains.
His repeated presence in areas tied to dismemberment and body
disposal raises glaring questions about his role.
Picton's DNA was excluded from critical evidence.
Multiple items linked to victims did not have Picton's DNA but
instead belong to unknown males. Example Tools.
Tools in the freezer buckets had male DNA that wasn't Picton's,
yet no effort was made to identify them.
Why haven't Canadian authorities identified these men?
Once Picton was convicted, authorities may have seen no
need to pursue others despite glaring loose ends.
Institutional neglect. Many victims were marginalized
Indigenous sex workers. Systemic apathy may have played
a role if these men were part of a broader criminal operation.
Investigating further could implicate others, including
powerful figures DNA, the gold standard, and crime DNA
one-on-one. The power of DNA Like a genetic
fingerprint, every person's DNA is unique except for identical
twins, making it irrefutable evidence when matched.
Silent witness. It doesn't lie, forget or
contradict itself, unlike human testimony exonerating the
innocent. Hundreds of wrongfully convicted
people like those in the Innocent Projects have been
freed because DNA have proved they couldn't have committed the
crime. Example A single hair analyzed
decade later can overturn a murder conviction, putting the
guilty away. Cold case breakthroughs.
DNA from old crime scenes like the Golden State Killer can
finally name killers years later.
That was 40 years ago when this Golden State psycho killer was
active. 40 years later they convicted him.
Linking serial crimes. DNA can connect seamlessly
unrelated cases from 1 perpetrator.
If Canadian authorities re examine these profiles with
today's tech, they might identify compasses, solve other
unsolved murders, and expose a possible network of predators.
The DNA farm wasn't just one killer's playground, it was a
hunting ground with multiple players.
The unanswered DNA evidence screams that justice is still
incomplete. Until these men are identified,
the full truth and the victim's rightful closure remains buried.
And remember, in the world of crime solving, DNA doesn't just
speak, it streams truth. The presence of 40 unidentified
female DNA profiles on Robert Picton Farm raises significant
questions about the scope of his crimes and the investigation.
Here's what it implies. So remember they have found 80
unidentified DNA profiles, half female and the other half male.
So there's forty female that haven't been identified.
So it's possible unrecognized victims.
When Robert Picton was arrested in 2002, he had the undercover
cellmate on a big poster, like a big poster board right in the in
the room with him. And when he went back to the
cell, you know what he said? He said he only recognized half
of them, but then boasted about killing 49.
Just a little little awful food for thought.
So back to the female DNAI just want to talk about that quickly
before we move on. The DNA could belong to missing
or murdered women whose disappearances were never linked
to Picton. Given his confession or boast to
killing 49 women and his claim that he wanted to make it an
even 50 is plausible that some victims were never identified or
reported missing, especially sex workers and Indigenous women who
are disproportionately targeted. And there was a lot of
apparently a lot of sex workers brought into that farm
testimonies of the women. And she said she had to bring 2
at a time for Pat Casanova, two women at a time for Pat Casanova
to pleasure him while he slaughtered pigs.
Even that is so disgusting. So some of the investigative
challenges, incomplete databases.
Many Indigenous and Margelines women were not in the DNA
database databases, making matches impossible.
Degraded evidence. Some DNA was too degraded for a
conclusive analysis. Defense arguments unidentified
profiles used to suggest that others could be involved,
complicating the prosecutor's case.
So they, in this case, they tended, they wanted a very
narrow focus on pick that's important to think about
unsolved cases. Families of missing women have
long speculated that their loved ones DNA might be among the
unidentified profiles. Police have not publicly linked
these profiles to specific disappearances, leaving
questions unanswered #2 The social visit by RCMP Corporal
Frank Henley. In March of 2001, Corporal
Henley visited the Picton farm alone.
He told Robert Picton the names of two people informing on him
and described it as a social visit.
Why is it bizarre? This is a staggering breach of
investigative protocol that can only be explained by gross and
confidence. And the other question is one
can ask the question of outright corruption.
So just to put this in context again, Canada's worst serial
killer, Canada's worst case of missing murdered people.
And the main suspect gets a visit by the cop and says, hey,
I got 2 confidential informants that are talking about you.
Let's get into this a little more.
I found this affidavit from researcher Robin Whitehead,
notes on this affidavit that RCMP visit on the farm and spoke
to Robert Picton, unidentified man covered in blood in the barn
butchering a pig with a knife. So this is just almost like a
disturbing sabotage of the Picton investigation.
Which one could raise the question of that Corporal Frank
Henley's unexplained betrayal of justice.
The botched investigation into Canada's most notorious serial
killer, Robert Willie Picton, is riddled with shocking failures.
One of the most unexplained is the conduct of Corporal Frank
Henley, an RCMP officers who whose action delayed Picton's
arrest, endangered witnesses and possibly allowed a killer to
claim more victims. One of the best books I believe
in my opinion, after is Lorimer's.
Shiner wrote a book called The Lonely Section of Hell of his
Investigation, The Horrors of the Robert Picton Case.
So this was on page 155 of Detective Shiner's account.
This is the last paragraph of the page.
I'm just going to read the last paragraph.
There seems to have been no police contact with Picton after
the January 19th, 2000 interview from RCMP Corporal Frank Henley,
March 2001. One man's self-described really
very much a social visit quote UN quote to the Picton farm to
tell the names of the two people talking to police about him,
Ellingson and Cadwell. Commissioner Opal describes his
visit in his report. Quote On March 30th, 2001,
Corporal Henley goes to the Picton property to speak with
Picton. He tells Picton that Miss
Ellingson and Mr. Cadwell has been saying he killed a girl.
Pickton admitted to stabbing Miss Anderson, but says she
stabbed him first. He neglects the part that he did
handcuff her. Right.
Corporal Henley's meeting with Pickton is unexplained and is
done in total isolation from other police members.
So let's examine this again. So Henley's unauthorized social
visit to Pickton's farm, March 2001, a full year before
Picton's arrest. Henley went alone to the Picton
farm without informing his team and had what he later described
as a very much of A social visit.
During this meeting, Henley told Picton the names of two
informants that who had accused him of murder, Ling Ellingson
and Scott Cadwell Picton. He asked why he revealed
informant identities to a serial killer.
Henley shrugged. No, I just wanted to meet Picton
and see him. No professional justification,
no follow up, just reckless and a possible deadly breach of of
protocol. Henley told his supervisor there
was nothing to believe about Picton over ruling lead
investigator Corporal Mike Connor, who suspected Picton
early a botched witnessed interview.
Henley interviewed Lynn Ellingson, who allegedly saw
Picton hanging a woman like a slaughtered pig.
Instead of pressing her, Henley accepted her denials at face
value. This stalled the case.
His interference delayed Picton's arrest by years,
allowing him to keep killing. Why did Henley do it?
Henley's actions were so contrary to police work that
lawyers at the Missing Women's Inquiry called them, possibly
amounting to sabotage. Was he protecting someone else?
Picton's farm was frequently by multiple men, per DNA evidence
that we just discussed. Did Henley know more than he
admitted? Henley's casual dismissal of the
case fits a pattern, a cover up of police failures.
By tipping off Picton, Henley may have compromised future
prosecutions, ensuring key witnesses were discredited or
silenced because of Henley's actions.
Picton remained free for over a year after Henley's visit,
during which time more women vanished.
He was still killing women. He was still an active serial
killer, Lynn Ellenson later testified, but only after Picton
was finally arrested in 2002. Got to remember, we'll get more
into it. Picton was no lone serial
killer. He was part of a network.
Think about that for a minute. This is a very important
unanswered question. Why did Corporal Frank Henley, a
trained RCMP officer, act in a way so blatantly in helping a
serial killer invade justice, neglect, corruption, or
something even darker? Until Henley gives a real
explanation, Not a flippant, just wanted to meet him.
His role in this tragedy remains one of the investigation's most
disturbing mysteries for the victims, for their families and
the public. We deserve answers.
Before we move on to the next part, there's a little important
side note, too. So Scott Chubb, the other police
informant who informed that Willie Picton was holding a Mac
10 submachine gun, which actually got him arrested
finally in 2002. We'll get into that later in the
series, but Scott Chubb testified in court that Picton
wanted Ellingson harmed because she was costing him a lot of
money. Chubb believed this meant Picton
wanted her hurt or killed. Police suspected Ellingson was
blackmailing Picton over a murderer she witnessed.
But Lynne Ellingson testified that she saw Picton with a dead
body in the barn and that Picton had threatened her to keep
quiet. So this adds another lair to
this strange visit from. He literally put her in danger.
#3 millions of withheld documents.
Police and government had generated millions of pages of
documents during the investigation, but only about 15
to 20% have ever been made public.
Why is it bizarre? This level of secrecy is almost
unheard of in a western criminal justice, fueling speculation of
cover ups or institutional self protection.
So let's get into the withheld evidence.
Why millions of Robert Pickton case files remain secret.
The case of Robert Pickton, Canada's most notorious serial
killer, remains one of the darkest chapter in this nation's
history. It's probably really starting in
the 80s, maybe even the 70s, till finally, when he was caught
in 2002, picked and preyed on vulnerable women, many of them
from Vancouver's Downtown East Side, murdering them.
Despite his 2007 conviction for six counts of second degree
murder, with evidence linking him to at least 33 victims, the
full scope of his crimes remained shrouded in secrecy.
The RCM PS investigation generated an unprecedented
volume of evidence, over 400,000 DNA swabs and 600,000 exhibits.
Yet only a small fraction have been disclosed to the public.
The rest remains locked away, heavily redacted or at risk
being destroyed. And as we speak, the RCMP have
been destroying evidence. I did an interview over a year
ago when I published it a few months ago with two of the
leading experts regarding the preserve the evidence.
Please go listen to that interview if you haven't with
Doctor Sasha Reed and Sue Brown. And in that interview we talked
about them preserving the evidence and their fight to
preserve the evidence. The evidence did get destroyed
previous to that interview. That was actually done a year
ago. I released it a few months ago,
that the RCMP have been destroying the evidence from the
Robert Picton case. The Picton case is one of the
most complex criminal investigations in criminal
history. The RCMP, the Vancouver Police
Department spent years combing through Picton's farm,
uncovering human remains, personal belongings and forensic
traces of multiple victims. Again 600,000 exhibits collected
including clothing, weapons and DNA samples. 400,000 DNA swabs
process linking victims to the farm.
Thousands of documents, including police reports,
witness statements and forensic analysis.
Given the sheer volume, the RCMP argues that Full disclosure is
logically impossible. Yet critics say this is a
smokescreen for withholding critical information.
The RCMP has provided several official reasons for withholding
or redacting evidence. The RCMP claims some evidence
could be relevant to unsolved cases or potential accomplishes.
Example DNA from 10 unidentified women was found in Picton's
freezer, suggesting more victims.
If released prematurely, this could compromise future
prosecutions. Under Canada's privacy law and
evidence law, police can redact sensitive information.
Example witness statements, informant identities and
investigative techniques are often blacked out.
Then there's the cost of storage and limitation.
Storing 600,000 exhibits is expensive.
The RCMP has applied to destroy evidence, arguing much of it has
no further investigative value. The controversy Families
advocates argue that new DNA technology could one day
identify more victims or suspects.
Victims families Indigenous rights groups have fiercely
opposed the RCMP. Destroying evidence erases
history. Many Indigenous women cases
remain unsolved. The RCMP failures in the Picton
case, including ignoring early warnings, feel distrust possible
accomplishes remain uncharged. Picton allegedly told an
undercover officer that his brother and others were
involved, yet no one else have been prosecuted.
Critics accuse the RCMP of deliberately suppressing files
that could expose investigative failures that may reveal miss
opportunities to stop Picton sooner.
While storage is expensive, destroying evidence could mean
losing answers forever. The case is still unresolved and
unsolved. It's a moral and legal failure.
While some reductions are justified, the lack of
transparency perpetrates a legacy of distrust because of
all of the money making enterprises they had going, all
their illegal businesses, you know, from unlicensed
butchering, an underground meat sales, stolen cars, illegal
gambling, Pitbull, rooster fighting and more.
You know, Piggy Powell is not just a a party venue, but a hub
for liquor sales, drugs, prostitution, a meeting place
for a cross section of Vancouver's underworld including
bikers, politicians and police. And then there's the
environmental crime, that contaminated topsoil operation,
which may and most likely cause public health, you know,
consequences and rarely discussed.
So this whole thing, this whole web of this Nexus of vice and
corruption and this fog of complicity and silence.
And then I was thinking about something else.
This place was also a place of of extreme animal cruelty,
starving to death. A lot of them were sick.
They were put into like pens that were too small, like they
were treated horribly. Being an American and Canadian,
you know, living on both sides of the border, but raised mostly
in Canada and raised, you know, in East Vancouver, criminal
culture in Canada, I believe, and I really, truly believe this
has more of a code of silence. The code of silence is well
founded and it's deeply ingrained in the aspects of
organized crime in the broader criminal subculture, especially
in Vancouver. When I grew up who's don't rat,
no informants. It's a powerful unwritten rule
that discourages individuals from cooperating with law
enforcement or speaking openly about their criminal activity.
You know, like, for example, like even when I first started
my platform, I started off, my first name was Vancouver True
crime. Some of the hardcore E Vaners
considered I was dry snitching, even though I wasn't really
talking about anything. I was talking more about my life
growing up there. I wasn't talking about criminals
in East Van or specifics or anything like that.
But even that cutting it too close for some of them, right?
And then there's like the organized crime influence,
right? There was like a big biker
presence on the property. And that's a, you know, threats
of violence, threat of silence. Dave Picton was accused of
sexual assault. You know, there was some
witnessed intimidation by some burly men that like to ride
motorcycles too, right? So there you go.
And then there's like the cultural parallel, right?
We're getting both the withholding of the documents.
The blue wall of silence is well documented in Canadian police
forces where officers or discouraged reporting on
misconduct by fellow colleagues, right, Further normalizing the
secrecy and non cooperation in the broader context, you know,
researching lots of different serial killer cases and like,
you know, a lot and especially a lot of the American ones, the
American serial killers seem to like to talk, right?
They like the they like the the, the attention and the notoriety.
David Berkowitz The only exception in Canada really was
Clifford Olson. He loved talking.
He talked every chance he got right.
He confessed to his crimes. He got paid for his crimes.
You know he was a chatty Cathy. He loved talking Picton.
We didn't hear a word from him. He gets locked up in 2007 few
pen pal letters and a few tell all books that got heavy
suppressed. But he didn't say anything while
he was locked up. So I believe, I truly believe
this, that this code of is stronger in Canada and criminal
circles. Talking reinforces by both
organized crime and community norms, American criminals,
individualistic and motivated by fame, where Canadian criminals
tend to value group loyalty and discretion is more.
Despite being one of the most prolific serial killers in
Canadian history, Picton has never granted an interview,
never spoke publicly about his any writings he produced was
kept from public view. There's been little forensic
follow up or psychological profiling he shared with the
public. And then one of the most darkest
rumors I've heard these like, OK, so when I start following
this case way back in 2002 and I need some good sources.
I knew people that were lawyers. I knew people that were RCMP and
and these were credible sources. And even way back then in 2002,
in this case broke, everyone whispered about snuff movies
book Stevie Cameron's book on the farm, a woman who spent time
with Dave Picton went to the bonfire parties and was in Dave
Picton circle. She said that there was rumors
of snuff movies being made there going all the way back in the
80s and Hurt and she hung around there around 1986.
The snuff movies, Snuff films and extreme violence While there
are persistent rumors and criminal circles about the
production and distribution of snuff films, especially in
connections with cases like Picton, concrete evidence is
extremely rare. Law enforcement and researchers
generally agree. While videos of extreme violence
circulate on the dark web, the existence of true snuff films
murdered committed for the purpose of filming and selling
the footage remains unproven in a legal sense.
From my understanding, and I re, I've talked to some people who
have very high up gang ties, like really high up.
They told me, you know, off the record, and this is a really
solid source. These movies make a lot of money
on the dark web. People pay to have access to
these movies. They generate a lot of revenue
and some sick people will have like a checklist.
There's a certain scenario or torture or whatever they want
and they'll Commission to have it done.
I I think a lot of legal experts and what what, what they're
splitting hairs on. It's like pornographic studio
that makes a certain type of genre of movies.
So let's say one that's into like threesomes or midgets or
whatever, there's a production company that specializes in a
certain type of pornography. Maybe it's gay porn, maybe it's
it's transgender porn or whatever.
They specialize in a, in a certain production.
And I guess what the legal experts saying that these are
these production companies that are making murder movies as a
production company. And I think they're giving it
that much, too much credit to organize.
I think a lot of times these movies are made very ad hoc in
the moment. They're opportunistic.
With the advance of cameras on the phone cameras, video
equipment is definitely a lot more portable now.
You don't need a big, large, you know, high value camera like you
did in the old days that had film and lighting and all that.
You know, even while the Picton during the Picton era handheld
camcorders for a thing. There's another case that
believe it or not, has some connections to the Picton case.
It was about a woman who went missing on Vancouver Island on
Canada Day and she was taken to a house party.
And after I put two years into that case, I, I did a podcast
about it, but I took it off for a whole bunch of reasons.
I'm going to reboot it sometime down the road.
My friend David, who was a mob enforcer, a hitman and a top
drug trafficker and including working for Colombians, Mexican
cartels, he's done some podcast with me.
He knows a lot about that case. And he was a material witness in
that case. The long story and at the root
of this case was snuff movies being made to put it in context
that there was this dude, really bad dude.
He trades people for drugs and he's not choosy.
He'll he likes men or women and he likes messing them up.
This woman that went missing on Canada Day, she was brought to
the house and basically traded for drugs and they decided that
they were going to make a snuff movie and they were going to do
all this terrible stuff to her, but they weren't going to really
kill her. But they got carried away and
they ended up killing her and then these tapes floated around.
So I think in a lot of times, this is how this scenario works.
It's sort of like a crime of opportunity.
And I don't think that there's an actual, you know, production
company like, you know, the ones that make pornography and, you
know, have a brand name and you can call a number and stuff and
every time you look it up on there, oh, no stuff, movies are
back. There's no such thing.
It's that that's like the biggest crock of shit.
Lot of criminals and psychopaths have have handheld cameras,
cameras on their phone. They like doing violence to
people and they like to relive the violence in it, right?
There's even websites that you can find that are not even on
the dark web that just are filled with all kinds of torture
and murder and grotesque stuff. So I do believe that was going
on on the farm. How organized it was is another
thing. There's the testimony of Diana
Rock. Diana Rock, who was held there
for three days in her court testimony by and she said she
was held in a blacked out room, abused by multiple men, gang
raped. This horrific.
So one of them could have had a camera, you know, little
souvenir, little memento. So again, this case, I can't
emphasize it, represents unfinished horror and why the
Picton case still haunts Canada. The official story of Robert
Picton's crimes ends with his arrest in 2002 and his
conviction in 2007 and his death in prison in 2024.
But the deeper truth is far more unsettling.
According to high level sources within the criminal underworld,
individuals who operate at the top tier of organized crime on
Picton's farm really never stopped the methods, the
victims, the predators just move somewhere else.
Women, often Indigenous, often struggling with addiction or
trapped in the cycle of exploitation, are still being
taken to remote properties where they're abused, tortured and
sometimes killed. The buyers, men who pay for the
privilege of inflicting pain, the sellers, those who see these
women as disposable and the authorities, well, they're not
really shutting the not making these arrests or not providing
disclosure and transparency. I have a source who told me and
it kind of goes aside in some of the other investigation where
the Picton thing. Never really stopped maybe it's
not as as a big scale out in the open with the 2000 attending
parties. You know 2000 people is a lot of
people at a venue average nightclub 507 hundred people is
a busy night. 2000 is a RIP roaring, you know event.
So I don't know if it's they're, they're not at this scale, but
from my informant, they said that there is these properties
in rural areas where women are taken and men do terrible things
to them. Is it filmed?
Maybe. Is it put on the dark web?
Is it made in these red rooms? Who knows?
I'm too chicken to go on the dark web myself.
You know, as much as a deep investigator as I have no
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