1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,040 Today we are diving deep into one of Canada's most disturbing 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,720 criminal cases, the Robert Picton saga. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,560 But this isn't just about the crimes themselves. 4 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:27,680 It's about society that looked away, the institutions that 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:33,040 failed to act, the chilling anomalies that suggest there's 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,520 far more to the story than the official narrative admits. 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,920 The Picton case isn't your typical serial killer story. 8 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:47,400 It's a labyrinth of unanswered questions, institutional 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,080 incompetence and potential cover up. 10 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:56,640 From identifying male DNA on victims remains to police 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:03,120 partying with criminals at the Piggy Palace, the details are so 12 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:09,480 bizarre they defy belief. Here's what makes the case truly 13 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,440 unsettling. Over 40 unidentified male DNA 14 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,880 profiles were found on evidence hinting at accomplices or a 15 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,960 broader network, yet this was never properly investigated. 16 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:31,160 An RCMP officers social visit to Picton where he tipped him off 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,560 about informants in a jaw-dropping breach of protocol. 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Millions of documents still withheld. 19 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Why the secrecy? Police ignored the 45 gallon 20 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,840 drums that Picton was discarding despite tips they contained 21 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,040 human remains. A witness saw Picton skinning a 22 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,800 woman in his barn. Yet her testimony was 23 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,040 mishandled. Piggy Palace, The Picton's 24 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,680 family after our club were cops, politicians and criminals 25 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,160 partied together with up to 2000 people at these events. 26 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,560 The absurd lone wolf narrative Despite evidence of a criminal 27 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,040 enterprise, critical files destroyed or lost, including a 28 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,840 1997 attempted murder case. 0 Accountability for senior 29 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,600 officials. Despite catastrophic failures, 30 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:45,360 police never followed up after picked and boasted in jail about 31 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,200 killing 49 women. And the final insult? 32 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,200 A whitewashed inquiry that dismissed all these red flags as 33 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,920 ludicrous. This case isn't just about 34 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,760 Picton. It's about power, corruption and 35 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,200 apathy that allowed horrors to go unchecked. 36 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,120 If you think this is just one man's evil, think again. 37 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,480 This real story is far darker. Forensic teams found 38 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:24,480 unidentified DNA on the teeth on victims Serena Abbott's Way, 39 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,120 Andrea Josbury. Multiple unidentified male DNA 40 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:36,240 profiles were found, and Picton's DNA was excluded as a 41 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,480 match on several samples. Experts testified they could not 42 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,880 determine the source of these profiles despite extensive 43 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:54,160 checks against databases of investigators, lab staff, known 44 00:03:54,160 --> 00:04:01,680 associates. Additional male DNA was found on 45 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,760 items such as handcuff, keys, chewing gum. 46 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,360 A summary of the most disturbing and damning aspects of the DNA 47 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:21,839 evidence in the Picton case. So Male 11 and Male 12 DNA was 48 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:28,480 found on a bucket containing Andrea Josbury's severed hand, 49 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,560 indicating direct contact with the victim's remains. 50 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:43,160 Male 24's DNA was found on a bucket holding human remains, 51 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,920 suggesting participation in dismemberment or disposal. 52 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:57,000 These are not accidental or incidental transfers. 53 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,160 They imply hands on involvement in the murders. 54 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Multiple unidentified men at the crime scenes. 55 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:14,560 At least 16 plus distinct male DNA profiles were found in key 56 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,360 areas like the slaughterhouse workshop, Picton's bedroom. 57 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,760 The slaughterhouse was a DNA hotspot. 58 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,920 The slaughterhouse alone contained DNA from 10 different 59 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,480 unidentified men, including on plungers with blood splatter, 60 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:41,120 Male 33 a welding face shield, Male 61 multiple pieces of 61 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,720 chewed gum. This is male 39, a male 40, male 62 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:55,920 47, male 50, Male 58, male 60 suggesting prolonged casual 63 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:02,280 presence. Pat Casanova Picton's friend Pat 64 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,320 Casanova's DNA was found everywhere on the bones in the 65 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,240 slaughterhouse, on a scale alongside victim Mona Wilson's 66 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,960 DNA in the workshop near human remains. 67 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,800 His repeated presence in areas tied to dismemberment and body 68 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,640 disposal raises glaring questions about his role. 69 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Picton's DNA was excluded from critical evidence. 70 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:42,200 Multiple items linked to victims did not have Picton's DNA but 71 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:49,560 instead belong to unknown males. Example Tools. 72 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,320 Tools in the freezer buckets had male DNA that wasn't Picton's, 73 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,280 yet no effort was made to identify them. 74 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,760 Why haven't Canadian authorities identified these men? 75 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Once Picton was convicted, authorities may have seen no 76 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,000 need to pursue others despite glaring loose ends. 77 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Institutional neglect. Many victims were marginalized 78 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Indigenous sex workers. Systemic apathy may have played 79 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:34,600 a role if these men were part of a broader criminal operation. 80 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Investigating further could implicate others, including 81 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:44,320 powerful figures DNA, the gold standard, and crime DNA 82 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:50,520 one-on-one. The power of DNA Like a genetic 83 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,480 fingerprint, every person's DNA is unique except for identical 84 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,680 twins, making it irrefutable evidence when matched. 85 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,760 Silent witness. It doesn't lie, forget or 86 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,960 contradict itself, unlike human testimony exonerating the 87 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,200 innocent. Hundreds of wrongfully convicted 88 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,320 people like those in the Innocent Projects have been 89 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,320 freed because DNA have proved they couldn't have committed the 90 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,960 crime. Example A single hair analyzed 91 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:31,200 decade later can overturn a murder conviction, putting the 92 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,919 guilty away. Cold case breakthroughs. 93 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,559 DNA from old crime scenes like the Golden State Killer can 94 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,000 finally name killers years later. 95 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,120 That was 40 years ago when this Golden State psycho killer was 96 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,920 active. 40 years later they convicted him. 97 00:08:52,640 --> 00:09:00,840 Linking serial crimes. DNA can connect seamlessly 98 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,520 unrelated cases from 1 perpetrator. 99 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,000 If Canadian authorities re examine these profiles with 100 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,760 today's tech, they might identify compasses, solve other 101 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,840 unsolved murders, and expose a possible network of predators. 102 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:26,120 The DNA farm wasn't just one killer's playground, it was a 103 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,560 hunting ground with multiple players. 104 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,200 The unanswered DNA evidence screams that justice is still 105 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,760 incomplete. Until these men are identified, 106 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,880 the full truth and the victim's rightful closure remains buried. 107 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,920 And remember, in the world of crime solving, DNA doesn't just 108 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:55,120 speak, it streams truth. The presence of 40 unidentified 109 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,960 female DNA profiles on Robert Picton Farm raises significant 110 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:05,680 questions about the scope of his crimes and the investigation. 111 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Here's what it implies. So remember they have found 80 112 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:18,960 unidentified DNA profiles, half female and the other half male. 113 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,280 So there's forty female that haven't been identified. 114 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,200 So it's possible unrecognized victims. 115 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:36,840 When Robert Picton was arrested in 2002, he had the undercover 116 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:42,240 cellmate on a big poster, like a big poster board right in the in 117 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,320 the room with him. And when he went back to the 118 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,720 cell, you know what he said? He said he only recognized half 119 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,080 of them, but then boasted about killing 49. 120 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,680 Just a little little awful food for thought. 121 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,160 So back to the female DNAI just want to talk about that quickly 122 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:09,520 before we move on. The DNA could belong to missing 123 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,320 or murdered women whose disappearances were never linked 124 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,880 to Picton. Given his confession or boast to 125 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,720 killing 49 women and his claim that he wanted to make it an 126 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,800 even 50 is plausible that some victims were never identified or 127 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,280 reported missing, especially sex workers and Indigenous women who 128 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,160 are disproportionately targeted. And there was a lot of 129 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,960 apparently a lot of sex workers brought into that farm 130 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,960 testimonies of the women. And she said she had to bring 2 131 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,840 at a time for Pat Casanova, two women at a time for Pat Casanova 132 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,560 to pleasure him while he slaughtered pigs. 133 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:56,680 Even that is so disgusting. So some of the investigative 134 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,120 challenges, incomplete databases. 135 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Many Indigenous and Margelines women were not in the DNA 136 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,680 database databases, making matches impossible. 137 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Degraded evidence. Some DNA was too degraded for a 138 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,400 conclusive analysis. Defense arguments unidentified 139 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,880 profiles used to suggest that others could be involved, 140 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,560 complicating the prosecutor's case. 141 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,200 So they, in this case, they tended, they wanted a very 142 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,960 narrow focus on pick that's important to think about 143 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,600 unsolved cases. Families of missing women have 144 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,960 long speculated that their loved ones DNA might be among the 145 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,480 unidentified profiles. Police have not publicly linked 146 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,640 these profiles to specific disappearances, leaving 147 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:56,640 questions unanswered #2 The social visit by RCMP Corporal 148 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:02,920 Frank Henley. In March of 2001, Corporal 149 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Henley visited the Picton farm alone. 150 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:10,440 He told Robert Picton the names of two people informing on him 151 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,640 and described it as a social visit. 152 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Why is it bizarre? This is a staggering breach of 153 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,280 investigative protocol that can only be explained by gross and 154 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,880 confidence. And the other question is one 155 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,280 can ask the question of outright corruption. 156 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,000 So just to put this in context again, Canada's worst serial 157 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,120 killer, Canada's worst case of missing murdered people. 158 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,920 And the main suspect gets a visit by the cop and says, hey, 159 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,720 I got 2 confidential informants that are talking about you. 160 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,600 Let's get into this a little more. 161 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,920 I found this affidavit from researcher Robin Whitehead, 162 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:09,960 notes on this affidavit that RCMP visit on the farm and spoke 163 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,280 to Robert Picton, unidentified man covered in blood in the barn 164 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,240 butchering a pig with a knife. So this is just almost like a 165 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,720 disturbing sabotage of the Picton investigation. 166 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:30,240 Which one could raise the question of that Corporal Frank 167 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,560 Henley's unexplained betrayal of justice. 168 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,720 The botched investigation into Canada's most notorious serial 169 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:45,560 killer, Robert Willie Picton, is riddled with shocking failures. 170 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:53,360 One of the most unexplained is the conduct of Corporal Frank 171 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Henley, an RCMP officers who whose action delayed Picton's 172 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:06,000 arrest, endangered witnesses and possibly allowed a killer to 173 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,120 claim more victims. One of the best books I believe 174 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,240 in my opinion, after is Lorimer's. 175 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,480 Shiner wrote a book called The Lonely Section of Hell of his 176 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Investigation, The Horrors of the Robert Picton Case. 177 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,920 So this was on page 155 of Detective Shiner's account. 178 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,800 This is the last paragraph of the page. 179 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,920 I'm just going to read the last paragraph. 180 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:41,960 There seems to have been no police contact with Picton after 181 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:50,400 the January 19th, 2000 interview from RCMP Corporal Frank Henley, 182 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:57,040 March 2001. One man's self-described really 183 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,880 very much a social visit quote UN quote to the Picton farm to 184 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:09,280 tell the names of the two people talking to police about him, 185 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Ellingson and Cadwell. Commissioner Opal describes his 186 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:22,200 visit in his report. Quote On March 30th, 2001, 187 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:28,200 Corporal Henley goes to the Picton property to speak with 188 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Picton. He tells Picton that Miss 189 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,320 Ellingson and Mr. Cadwell has been saying he killed a girl. 190 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Pickton admitted to stabbing Miss Anderson, but says she 191 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,160 stabbed him first. He neglects the part that he did 192 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,400 handcuff her. Right. 193 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,160 Corporal Henley's meeting with Pickton is unexplained and is 194 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,160 done in total isolation from other police members. 195 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,640 So let's examine this again. So Henley's unauthorized social 196 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:09,720 visit to Pickton's farm, March 2001, a full year before 197 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,200 Picton's arrest. Henley went alone to the Picton 198 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:21,040 farm without informing his team and had what he later described 199 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,880 as a very much of A social visit. 200 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,800 During this meeting, Henley told Picton the names of two 201 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:35,280 informants that who had accused him of murder, Ling Ellingson 202 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:41,240 and Scott Cadwell Picton. He asked why he revealed 203 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,240 informant identities to a serial killer. 204 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,160 Henley shrugged. No, I just wanted to meet Picton 205 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,000 and see him. No professional justification, 206 00:17:53,320 --> 00:18:00,440 no follow up, just reckless and a possible deadly breach of of 207 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,880 protocol. Henley told his supervisor there 208 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,400 was nothing to believe about Picton over ruling lead 209 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,920 investigator Corporal Mike Connor, who suspected Picton 210 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,800 early a botched witnessed interview. 211 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,520 Henley interviewed Lynn Ellingson, who allegedly saw 212 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Picton hanging a woman like a slaughtered pig. 213 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Instead of pressing her, Henley accepted her denials at face 214 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,080 value. This stalled the case. 215 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,880 His interference delayed Picton's arrest by years, 216 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,800 allowing him to keep killing. Why did Henley do it? 217 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:52,520 Henley's actions were so contrary to police work that 218 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,560 lawyers at the Missing Women's Inquiry called them, possibly 219 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,320 amounting to sabotage. Was he protecting someone else? 220 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:08,160 Picton's farm was frequently by multiple men, per DNA evidence 221 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,320 that we just discussed. Did Henley know more than he 222 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,240 admitted? Henley's casual dismissal of the 223 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,240 case fits a pattern, a cover up of police failures. 224 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,040 By tipping off Picton, Henley may have compromised future 225 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,200 prosecutions, ensuring key witnesses were discredited or 226 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,440 silenced because of Henley's actions. 227 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,680 Picton remained free for over a year after Henley's visit, 228 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,040 during which time more women vanished. 229 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,120 He was still killing women. He was still an active serial 230 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:57,280 killer, Lynn Ellenson later testified, but only after Picton 231 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,920 was finally arrested in 2002. Got to remember, we'll get more 232 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,640 into it. Picton was no lone serial 233 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,000 killer. He was part of a network. 234 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:13,800 Think about that for a minute. This is a very important 235 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,840 unanswered question. Why did Corporal Frank Henley, a 236 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:24,560 trained RCMP officer, act in a way so blatantly in helping a 237 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,680 serial killer invade justice, neglect, corruption, or 238 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,360 something even darker? Until Henley gives a real 239 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,360 explanation, Not a flippant, just wanted to meet him. 240 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,120 His role in this tragedy remains one of the investigation's most 241 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:45,480 disturbing mysteries for the victims, for their families and 242 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,360 the public. We deserve answers. 243 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,680 Before we move on to the next part, there's a little important 244 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,800 side note, too. So Scott Chubb, the other police 245 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:02,400 informant who informed that Willie Picton was holding a Mac 246 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,200 10 submachine gun, which actually got him arrested 247 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,400 finally in 2002. We'll get into that later in the 248 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,600 series, but Scott Chubb testified in court that Picton 249 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,560 wanted Ellingson harmed because she was costing him a lot of 250 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,480 money. Chubb believed this meant Picton 251 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:29,400 wanted her hurt or killed. Police suspected Ellingson was 252 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,160 blackmailing Picton over a murderer she witnessed. 253 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:40,720 But Lynne Ellingson testified that she saw Picton with a dead 254 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,360 body in the barn and that Picton had threatened her to keep 255 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,040 quiet. So this adds another lair to 256 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,320 this strange visit from. He literally put her in danger. 257 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,200 #3 millions of withheld documents. 258 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,400 Police and government had generated millions of pages of 259 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,720 documents during the investigation, but only about 15 260 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,040 to 20% have ever been made public. 261 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,720 Why is it bizarre? This level of secrecy is almost 262 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,680 unheard of in a western criminal justice, fueling speculation of 263 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,800 cover ups or institutional self protection. 264 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,200 So let's get into the withheld evidence. 265 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,880 Why millions of Robert Pickton case files remain secret. 266 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,840 The case of Robert Pickton, Canada's most notorious serial 267 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,080 killer, remains one of the darkest chapter in this nation's 268 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,680 history. It's probably really starting in 269 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:02,120 the 80s, maybe even the 70s, till finally, when he was caught 270 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:06,720 in 2002, picked and preyed on vulnerable women, many of them 271 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,400 from Vancouver's Downtown East Side, murdering them. 272 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:20,640 Despite his 2007 conviction for six counts of second degree 273 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:27,040 murder, with evidence linking him to at least 33 victims, the 274 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,600 full scope of his crimes remained shrouded in secrecy. 275 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,960 The RCM PS investigation generated an unprecedented 276 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:48,680 volume of evidence, over 400,000 DNA swabs and 600,000 exhibits. 277 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,760 Yet only a small fraction have been disclosed to the public. 278 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:59,280 The rest remains locked away, heavily redacted or at risk 279 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,800 being destroyed. And as we speak, the RCMP have 280 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,280 been destroying evidence. I did an interview over a year 281 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,600 ago when I published it a few months ago with two of the 282 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,000 leading experts regarding the preserve the evidence. 283 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Please go listen to that interview if you haven't with 284 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:28,440 Doctor Sasha Reed and Sue Brown. And in that interview we talked 285 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,880 about them preserving the evidence and their fight to 286 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,720 preserve the evidence. The evidence did get destroyed 287 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,960 previous to that interview. That was actually done a year 288 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960 ago. I released it a few months ago, 289 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,360 that the RCMP have been destroying the evidence from the 290 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,400 Robert Picton case. The Picton case is one of the 291 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,960 most complex criminal investigations in criminal 292 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,080 history. The RCMP, the Vancouver Police 293 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,160 Department spent years combing through Picton's farm, 294 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160 uncovering human remains, personal belongings and forensic 295 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:14,160 traces of multiple victims. Again 600,000 exhibits collected 296 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,320 including clothing, weapons and DNA samples. 400,000 DNA swabs 297 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,640 process linking victims to the farm. 298 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,920 Thousands of documents, including police reports, 299 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,360 witness statements and forensic analysis. 300 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,960 Given the sheer volume, the RCMP argues that Full disclosure is 301 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,680 logically impossible. Yet critics say this is a 302 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,200 smokescreen for withholding critical information. 303 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,480 The RCMP has provided several official reasons for withholding 304 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,360 or redacting evidence. The RCMP claims some evidence 305 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:55,960 could be relevant to unsolved cases or potential accomplishes. 306 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:05,040 Example DNA from 10 unidentified women was found in Picton's 307 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760 freezer, suggesting more victims. 308 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,280 If released prematurely, this could compromise future 309 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,320 prosecutions. Under Canada's privacy law and 310 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,880 evidence law, police can redact sensitive information. 311 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Example witness statements, informant identities and 312 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,640 investigative techniques are often blacked out. 313 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,080 Then there's the cost of storage and limitation. 314 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Storing 600,000 exhibits is expensive. 315 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,720 The RCMP has applied to destroy evidence, arguing much of it has 316 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,680 no further investigative value. The controversy Families 317 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,560 advocates argue that new DNA technology could one day 318 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,520 identify more victims or suspects. 319 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,680 Victims families Indigenous rights groups have fiercely 320 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,200 opposed the RCMP. Destroying evidence erases 321 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,320 history. Many Indigenous women cases 322 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,560 remain unsolved. The RCMP failures in the Picton 323 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:20,680 case, including ignoring early warnings, feel distrust possible 324 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,960 accomplishes remain uncharged. Picton allegedly told an 325 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680 undercover officer that his brother and others were 326 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,040 involved, yet no one else have been prosecuted. 327 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:43,920 Critics accuse the RCMP of deliberately suppressing files 328 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,400 that could expose investigative failures that may reveal miss 329 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,400 opportunities to stop Picton sooner. 330 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,040 While storage is expensive, destroying evidence could mean 331 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,280 losing answers forever. The case is still unresolved and 332 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,920 unsolved. It's a moral and legal failure. 333 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040 While some reductions are justified, the lack of 334 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,600 transparency perpetrates a legacy of distrust because of 335 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,360 all of the money making enterprises they had going, all 336 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,040 their illegal businesses, you know, from unlicensed 337 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,440 butchering, an underground meat sales, stolen cars, illegal 338 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320 gambling, Pitbull, rooster fighting and more. 339 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,000 You know, Piggy Powell is not just a a party venue, but a hub 340 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,080 for liquor sales, drugs, prostitution, a meeting place 341 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240 for a cross section of Vancouver's underworld including 342 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800 bikers, politicians and police. And then there's the 343 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,400 environmental crime, that contaminated topsoil operation, 344 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,880 which may and most likely cause public health, you know, 345 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,840 consequences and rarely discussed. 346 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,280 So this whole thing, this whole web of this Nexus of vice and 347 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,760 corruption and this fog of complicity and silence. 348 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,040 And then I was thinking about something else. 349 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,000 This place was also a place of of extreme animal cruelty, 350 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,560 starving to death. A lot of them were sick. 351 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,560 They were put into like pens that were too small, like they 352 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,960 were treated horribly. Being an American and Canadian, 353 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440 you know, living on both sides of the border, but raised mostly 354 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,280 in Canada and raised, you know, in East Vancouver, criminal 355 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,840 culture in Canada, I believe, and I really, truly believe this 356 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,680 has more of a code of silence. The code of silence is well 357 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,720 founded and it's deeply ingrained in the aspects of 358 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,240 organized crime in the broader criminal subculture, especially 359 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,840 in Vancouver. When I grew up who's don't rat, 360 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,480 no informants. It's a powerful unwritten rule 361 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,360 that discourages individuals from cooperating with law 362 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,960 enforcement or speaking openly about their criminal activity. 363 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,160 You know, like, for example, like even when I first started 364 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,560 my platform, I started off, my first name was Vancouver True 365 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,400 crime. Some of the hardcore E Vaners 366 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040 considered I was dry snitching, even though I wasn't really 367 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440 talking about anything. I was talking more about my life 368 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120 growing up there. I wasn't talking about criminals 369 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 in East Van or specifics or anything like that. 370 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,320 But even that cutting it too close for some of them, right? 371 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440 And then there's like the organized crime influence, 372 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,000 right? There was like a big biker 373 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,600 presence on the property. And that's a, you know, threats 374 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,480 of violence, threat of silence. Dave Picton was accused of 375 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,720 sexual assault. You know, there was some 376 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,400 witnessed intimidation by some burly men that like to ride 377 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,160 motorcycles too, right? So there you go. 378 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960 And then there's like the cultural parallel, right? 379 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400 We're getting both the withholding of the documents. 380 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,440 The blue wall of silence is well documented in Canadian police 381 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,120 forces where officers or discouraged reporting on 382 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,480 misconduct by fellow colleagues, right, Further normalizing the 383 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,800 secrecy and non cooperation in the broader context, you know, 384 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,440 researching lots of different serial killer cases and like, 385 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560 you know, a lot and especially a lot of the American ones, the 386 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,440 American serial killers seem to like to talk, right? 387 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,120 They like the they like the the, the attention and the notoriety. 388 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,120 David Berkowitz The only exception in Canada really was 389 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Clifford Olson. He loved talking. 390 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320 He talked every chance he got right. 391 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400 He confessed to his crimes. He got paid for his crimes. 392 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,560 You know he was a chatty Cathy. He loved talking Picton. 393 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,600 We didn't hear a word from him. He gets locked up in 2007 few 394 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,480 pen pal letters and a few tell all books that got heavy 395 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,960 suppressed. But he didn't say anything while 396 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,640 he was locked up. So I believe, I truly believe 397 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,440 this, that this code of is stronger in Canada and criminal 398 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360 circles. Talking reinforces by both 399 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,480 organized crime and community norms, American criminals, 400 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:22,040 individualistic and motivated by fame, where Canadian criminals 401 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840 tend to value group loyalty and discretion is more. 402 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080 Despite being one of the most prolific serial killers in 403 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,960 Canadian history, Picton has never granted an interview, 404 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,000 never spoke publicly about his any writings he produced was 405 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,120 kept from public view. There's been little forensic 406 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,720 follow up or psychological profiling he shared with the 407 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720 public. And then one of the most darkest 408 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 rumors I've heard these like, OK, so when I start following 409 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,280 this case way back in 2002 and I need some good sources. 410 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,200 I knew people that were lawyers. I knew people that were RCMP and 411 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,120 and these were credible sources. And even way back then in 2002, 412 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,960 in this case broke, everyone whispered about snuff movies 413 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:15,120 book Stevie Cameron's book on the farm, a woman who spent time 414 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000 with Dave Picton went to the bonfire parties and was in Dave 415 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,960 Picton circle. She said that there was rumors 416 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,160 of snuff movies being made there going all the way back in the 417 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,680 80s and Hurt and she hung around there around 1986. 418 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,600 The snuff movies, Snuff films and extreme violence While there 419 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,080 are persistent rumors and criminal circles about the 420 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,640 production and distribution of snuff films, especially in 421 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,400 connections with cases like Picton, concrete evidence is 422 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,200 extremely rare. Law enforcement and researchers 423 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,040 generally agree. While videos of extreme violence 424 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,640 circulate on the dark web, the existence of true snuff films 425 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,560 murdered committed for the purpose of filming and selling 426 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,239 the footage remains unproven in a legal sense. 427 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,120 From my understanding, and I re, I've talked to some people who 428 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,000 have very high up gang ties, like really high up. 429 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,480 They told me, you know, off the record, and this is a really 430 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,239 solid source. These movies make a lot of money 431 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,880 on the dark web. People pay to have access to 432 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,800 these movies. They generate a lot of revenue 433 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,360 and some sick people will have like a checklist. 434 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,520 There's a certain scenario or torture or whatever they want 435 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,840 and they'll Commission to have it done. 436 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,840 I I think a lot of legal experts and what what, what they're 437 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,080 splitting hairs on. It's like pornographic studio 438 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,320 that makes a certain type of genre of movies. 439 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,600 So let's say one that's into like threesomes or midgets or 440 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,240 whatever, there's a production company that specializes in a 441 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,840 certain type of pornography. Maybe it's gay porn, maybe it's 442 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,800 it's transgender porn or whatever. 443 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680 They specialize in a, in a certain production. 444 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,920 And I guess what the legal experts saying that these are 445 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,680 these production companies that are making murder movies as a 446 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,040 production company. And I think they're giving it 447 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,040 that much, too much credit to organize. 448 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,560 I think a lot of times these movies are made very ad hoc in 449 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,520 the moment. They're opportunistic. 450 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,680 With the advance of cameras on the phone cameras, video 451 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,880 equipment is definitely a lot more portable now. 452 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,960 You don't need a big, large, you know, high value camera like you 453 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,040 did in the old days that had film and lighting and all that. 454 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,560 You know, even while the Picton during the Picton era handheld 455 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,520 camcorders for a thing. There's another case that 456 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040 believe it or not, has some connections to the Picton case. 457 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,320 It was about a woman who went missing on Vancouver Island on 458 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,200 Canada Day and she was taken to a house party. 459 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,480 And after I put two years into that case, I, I did a podcast 460 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,840 about it, but I took it off for a whole bunch of reasons. 461 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 I'm going to reboot it sometime down the road. 462 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,520 My friend David, who was a mob enforcer, a hitman and a top 463 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,560 drug trafficker and including working for Colombians, Mexican 464 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,840 cartels, he's done some podcast with me. 465 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,840 He knows a lot about that case. And he was a material witness in 466 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680 that case. The long story and at the root 467 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,640 of this case was snuff movies being made to put it in context 468 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160 that there was this dude, really bad dude. 469 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,240 He trades people for drugs and he's not choosy. 470 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,120 He'll he likes men or women and he likes messing them up. 471 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,840 This woman that went missing on Canada Day, she was brought to 472 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:14,360 the house and basically traded for drugs and they decided that 473 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,400 they were going to make a snuff movie and they were going to do 474 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,760 all this terrible stuff to her, but they weren't going to really 475 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000 kill her. But they got carried away and 476 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,240 they ended up killing her and then these tapes floated around. 477 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,720 So I think in a lot of times, this is how this scenario works. 478 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,000 It's sort of like a crime of opportunity. 479 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,720 And I don't think that there's an actual, you know, production 480 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,880 company like, you know, the ones that make pornography and, you 481 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,560 know, have a brand name and you can call a number and stuff and 482 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,280 every time you look it up on there, oh, no stuff, movies are 483 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,240 back. There's no such thing. 484 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,400 It's that that's like the biggest crock of shit. 485 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,000 Lot of criminals and psychopaths have have handheld cameras, 486 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,640 cameras on their phone. They like doing violence to 487 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,520 people and they like to relive the violence in it, right? 488 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,680 There's even websites that you can find that are not even on 489 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,760 the dark web that just are filled with all kinds of torture 490 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,480 and murder and grotesque stuff. So I do believe that was going 491 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,640 on on the farm. How organized it was is another 492 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,680 thing. There's the testimony of Diana 493 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,160 Rock. Diana Rock, who was held there 494 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,280 for three days in her court testimony by and she said she 495 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:38,920 was held in a blacked out room, abused by multiple men, gang 496 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080 raped. This horrific. 497 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,240 So one of them could have had a camera, you know, little 498 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:51,960 souvenir, little memento. So again, this case, I can't 499 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,360 emphasize it, represents unfinished horror and why the 500 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,880 Picton case still haunts Canada. The official story of Robert 501 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,760 Picton's crimes ends with his arrest in 2002 and his 502 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:14,640 conviction in 2007 and his death in prison in 2024. 503 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,520 But the deeper truth is far more unsettling. 504 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,320 According to high level sources within the criminal underworld, 505 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:30,760 individuals who operate at the top tier of organized crime on 506 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,760 Picton's farm really never stopped the methods, the 507 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,360 victims, the predators just move somewhere else. 508 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,920 Women, often Indigenous, often struggling with addiction or 509 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,560 trapped in the cycle of exploitation, are still being 510 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,040 taken to remote properties where they're abused, tortured and 511 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,120 sometimes killed. The buyers, men who pay for the 512 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,360 privilege of inflicting pain, the sellers, those who see these 513 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,200 women as disposable and the authorities, well, they're not 514 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,760 really shutting the not making these arrests or not providing 515 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,680 disclosure and transparency. I have a source who told me and 516 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,160 it kind of goes aside in some of the other investigation where 517 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,000 the Picton thing. Never really stopped maybe it's 518 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,360 not as as a big scale out in the open with the 2000 attending 519 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,040 parties. You know 2000 people is a lot of 520 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,920 people at a venue average nightclub 507 hundred people is 521 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,120 a busy night. 2000 is a RIP roaring, you know event. 522 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520 So I don't know if it's they're, they're not at this scale, but 523 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,600 from my informant, they said that there is these properties 524 00:40:53,600 --> 00:41:01,360 in rural areas where women are taken and men do terrible things 525 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,640 to them. Is it filmed? 526 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,400 Maybe. Is it put on the dark web? 527 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,200 Is it made in these red rooms? Who knows? 528 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,240 I'm too chicken to go on the dark web myself. 529 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,560 You know, as much as a deep investigator as I have no 530 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,040 interest going on the dark web. There's a frightening, 531 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,200 terrifying world we live in and there are some very sick and 532 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,520 deranged people. Before we go, it's important you 533 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,200 know you're not just listening to a podcast. 534 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,480 You're investing in something real, something powerful. 535 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,000 For the past six years, Mark Devereaux has worked quietly 536 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,280 behind the scenes, helping families through their darkest 537 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,960 moments. He's posted hundreds of missing 538 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,160 persons alerts, given voices to the voiceless, and when people 539 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,680 were found, he always removed the posts. 540 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,120 A lot of respect out of integrity. 541 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,320 And he never monetized that work. 542 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,680 He did it as a service because someone had to. 543 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120 Now he's entering a new chapter. Mark is launching a national 544 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,280 speaking tour, not just to tell stories, but to connect face to 545 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,680 face, city by city. To go deeper into the world of 546 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,720 dark psychology, to expose what's been hidden, and to teach 547 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,760 real tools for staying safe in a world that too often hides 548 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,640 predators in plain sight. There's no one else in true 549 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,920 crime doing what Mark is doing. This isn't just about mystery, 550 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,840 It's about meaning. It's about forensic depth, hard 551 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,520 won truth, and the voices of families and survivors who 552 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,720 deserve to be heard. He's spent years developing a 553 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,600 system, a new kind of true crime, one that doesn't just 554 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,240 show the darkness, but gives you the light to navigate through 555 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,160 it. It's called Dark Jiu Jitsu, a 556 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,800 mental defence system for the real world, online, offline, for 557 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,600 the subtle and the overt. It's how you protect yourself 558 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,280 and those you love. So if you're listening, join 559 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120 him. Mark just launched A Substack to 560 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,600 build a private coalition of people who care. 561 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,400 Sign up for the e-mail list. Become a member because this is 562 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,120 more than content. It's a community, a movement. 563 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,960 Those who support the fundraiser aren't just helping fund a tour, 564 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,760 they're helping bring real conversations to cities across 565 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,840 the country, and they'll receive complimentary tickets when Mark 566 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,360 visits their town. Your voice matters. 567 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,040 Your input matters. Mark wants to hear what you want 568 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,240 to see. What would make this live show 569 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,640 unforgettable for you? Because without you, none of 570 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,320 this is possible. Thank you for being part of 571 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680 something that matters. We're just getting started. 572 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,240 The.