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Welcome to Vancouver True Crime.
My name is Mark, I'm the host 

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the show. 
I had two great guests, I was on

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their podcast, murder with my 
mother, and I have Danica and I 

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have Christy, and we're going to
talk today about the safety and 

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the decline of safety in the 
city of Vancouver, Chris seats 

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are off with you. 
You were born and raised in 

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Vancouver. 
I was actually born and raised 

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in a small town in Vancouver 
Island, very little ever 

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happened. 
They're very safe neighborhood 

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and I raised my kids. 
Kids here. 

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So even raising, especially 
janica, who was quite a handful 

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raising. 
Kids here was very different 

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from where I grew up. 
So I'd never seen any of the 

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kind of violence or the 
dangerous stuff that happens 

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here in the town of Port 
McNeill, where I grew up the 

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worst thing that ever happened 
was, you know, a fight in a 

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party or something like that. 
Nothing compared to here, 

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typical stuff more typical, for 
sure. 

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Where did he raise their kids 
looking? 

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So we lived generally around the
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did hika went to an inner-city 
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She was in a popular crowd 
stuff, I started to see even 

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back, that was back in the early
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Mid-2000s was, you know, unlike 
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with the violence and the bear 
spraying. 

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And one of her friends actually 
got attacked by a hatchet You 

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know, it was it was so much 
going on compared to what we 

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were used to. 
Wow, what a world. 

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What year was that? 
Tanika? 

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That that happened. 
That was 2006. 

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I believe. 
So we out, we were at a hall 

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party hall parties back then 
were we're all the rage. 

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But yeah. 
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I know that they didn't last 
many many years because quickly,

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you see, the escalation, and 
obviously, we're seeing that 

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kind of, again, it's kind of 
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Up in the escalation in violence
and young people that are the 

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ones who are the, being the 
violent offenders, right? 

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So, we were at a Halloween 
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was, yeah, attacked and attacked
by multiple people, but was one 

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of them carrying a hatchet. 
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years old. 
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that, a 16 year old with a 
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I don't know if you think about 
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Of what could that could do to 
somebody but that you could 

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murder someone easily. 
That's exactly, yeah, totally. 

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Wow. 
So around that time line. 

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Okay. 
I'm trying to think. 

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So at that time I lived 
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and less around like the bars 
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It would get a little Violet and
the bars we go to the the 

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brilliant people at City Hall in
Vancouver, decided to move all 

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the nightclubs on ground Wall 
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So when they all get out all at 
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congregate on. 
Underground Wall Street and 

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you'd see all kinds of crazy 
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no on weekends. 
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firework nights, and you get 
like a big, influx or crowds 

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where I saw violence, really 
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In Vancouver, was probably 
around Book, 2008. 

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I was working for a large 
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there was just around the corner
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The sharing, the same city block
was Gotham Steakhouse, and there

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was basically a Like a Gangland,
something out of Hollywood 

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shooting those at the office 
late and there was a Scott cars 

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everywhere like in the sirens 
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This guy was having an 
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I posted about it. 
Leave his name was Ricardo, I 

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can't remember his last name but
he was like a serious gangster. 

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He was having an engagement 
party at the gulf and Steakhouse

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gunman showed up with submachine
guns, just like out of Hollywood

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and then sprayed his car. 
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I don't think they ever got 
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So, that was a first time where 
my whoa, like, things are, 

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things are getting different 
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And in that case, it was just 
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violence, more shootings, more 
shootings, and more shootings, 

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it had to do with the the drug 
war in Mexico, the president, at

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the time, declared war on the 
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Arnie, which drove the price of 
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When From both 13,000 dollars, a
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vacuum in Vancouver and then all
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other for who had cocaine 
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So that there was always a kind 
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there are violence saying I'm 
talking about major events but 

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recently it's not just tied to 
stick gang violence its Tides 

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random. 
It's a my opinion it's people 

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with serious mental health 
considerations who also have a 

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Drug addiction who basically in 
their state of delirium, they're

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out on the street interacting 
with people and having violent 

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incidents of stabbings 
shootings, bear spraying 

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damaging property and its 
prolific and we're at a stage 

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where many people majority of 
people who live specially in the

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Metro Vancouver. 
Do not feel safe. 

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They don't feel safe in their 
kids. 

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Take public transit. 
It's really concerning to me. 

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Because I'm wondering the where 
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How, how lucky like you were 
saying, learn for raw fair. 

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But are we going to get to the 
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Where someone took a bunch of 
bath salts and ate someone on 

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the street? 
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at all right. 
Now, I would not be surprised it

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and that's really sad because I 
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Obviously, you know, we were 
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Sri, you know, because I feel 
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want to say the upper hand of 
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where it started like I Member 
people would always say like oh 

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so you know Suri they were 
scared to go to Serena here of 

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the shooting that Surrey and of 
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2000s there was the Surrey 6 
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And so and also there was a lot 
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I remember there was a woman 
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there was and this was all just 
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And so there was that there was 
a same thing, someone sitting in

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a car at Guilford Mall shot, 
shot and killed. 

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And Is were all tied to gang 
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trade, like you said but you 
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at parties a lot of the time it 
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but like you know the the crowd 
violence where it would be a 

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group of kids and they would be 
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But you kind of seen it, you 
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same kids who now have grown 
into being the people who Our, I

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believe downtown with, you know,
the mental health issues with 

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the addiction with like I said, 
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on the drug Supply, in our city 
is not safe and I believe that 

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whatever is in these drugs is 
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What we've been through in the 
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going through something. 
So now if they're going to turn 

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with their coping mechanisms 
that a lot of people with trauma

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have is You know, to take 
something that makes you kind of

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forget what you're going through
in your life. 

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But if you're taking something 
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violent and make you you know 
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having hallucinations of like I 
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something like bath salts. 
Unknowingly that's not going to 

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lead anywhere. 
Good. 

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No, no not at all. 
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right? 
We got it. 

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We got a few things going on 
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But there there's the gang 
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probably for about the last 
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shootings. 
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in Surrey Metro Vancouver a 
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really a hot spot for a while 
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down a bit. 
But she look walk the shootings 

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in the last couple of years have
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been some high-profile ones also
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Then on top of it, you let the 
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It's the teen violence is kind 
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because they're hyper violent. 
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using hatchets using bear spray 
using groups swarming, you know,

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10 online and stuff. 
And you know, that's concerning 

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because it's with the random 
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people who don't understand the 
consequences of their actions. 

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Exactly. 
And everything these days is on 

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the internet, right? 
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right away. 
You can see, you know, all these

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horrible videos on the internet,
people are almost there, unfazed

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by things these days. 
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that the pandemics of this is 
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teenagers. 
The ones that really were locked

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down during the pandemic and 
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Like two years, it seemed to 
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Yeah, I've hundred percent. 
I think it did. 

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It messed up, you know, 
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Take kids to everyone, has some 
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pandemic, and then almost like 
there's no filter on how you 

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should be acting in a public 
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your life, with other people. 
Video games and violence and 

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stuff like that has affected the
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They're locked in doing whatever
they wanted to do. 

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Basically, I think with less 
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high school in 2010. 
So from 2006 to 2010, the things

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that I would see. 
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have back then it was mostly 
alcohol-fueled, right? 

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Kids getting their hands on 
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up and I use the word kids 
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if we felt like oh yeah we're 
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kids, these are these are kids, 
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know 15 16 17 year old kids and 
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after parties and things like 
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McDonald's and people would 
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usually alcohol-fueled but now 
you're seeing kids that are you 

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know it's midday they're 
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someone like in a restaurant or 
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Yeah, Transit being stabbed. 
Like it's just it's very 

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concerning where a lot of the 
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Their mental health is is 
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there's just, there's so much 
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There's no resources for kids 
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things, you know, who wants to 
talk to their parents at that 

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age, right? 
It's unless you are someone who 

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has a close relationship with 
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You can't. 
Really intervene because they're

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probably not letting you in on 
any of it. 

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So it is, it's very yeah, it's 
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is a lot of young kids and they 
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look, I mean the boy that was 
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It is horrible, but it was not a
very the, the person who 

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perpetrated that murder the 
murderer. 

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He was not that much older than 
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Yeah. 
Their children at the end of the

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Family lost our child. 
And the others will be up 

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forever affected. 
Who knows? 

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Like if that person will ever 
realize, hey, I did something 

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awful. 
I did something terrible. 

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And that's the thing that I see 
in the, specially the videos, I 

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get sent, there's a Detachment 
to the type of violence of the 

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perpetrated, like, apply these 
cases that we just talked about,

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right? 
You're out of McDonald's. 

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You you're with your Yahoo 
friends. 

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He's been drinking all day. 
You're doing stupid stuff and 

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you probably know you're doing 
stupid stuff, right? 

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And the next day You probably 
wake up with, oh my God. 

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What did I do, right? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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I've been sent where it's like a
bunch of punk kids with this 

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what they are and they'll Target
like an old man in an elevator, 

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not causing. 
There's no, there's no 

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escalation the exist, some old 
man, just going into an elevator

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into for the doors closed. 
They blast him a bear spray and 

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they all laugh. 
They can, it's hilarious and I 

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get the posted online, right? 
So there's like this cruelty 

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does underlining kind of 
viciousness and cruelty that. 

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I Seen before things like we 
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Escalade people get drunk. 
They do stupid stuff. 

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someone annals of money. 
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shooting people for fun you know
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upcoming class of violent. 
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perpetrate violence for the sake
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you know, mixtures of, who knows
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yourself at rest, but in this 
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parents are struggling to make 
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people that were already high 
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not, you know, being low income 
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welfare. 
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the shoplifting. 
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I think we're heading into most 
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affecting a lot of families 
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alcohol issues. 
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exasperate stress. 
And crisis exactly. 

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And given the pandemic. 
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family for two years, right? 
A what has that done to kids? 

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made it out of the pandemic, 
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the kids that were there in 
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why people are the way they are.
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with people becoming who they 
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big part in that, right? 
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seeing at home and like you 
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illness, with all the drugs, 
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you know, people are becoming 
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not. 
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big impact on our younger 
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the perfect storm. 
A really, really is the perfect 

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storm. 
That's scary. 

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They're going to you touched on 
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Like heard a statistic during 
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went up 40% and drinking. 
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Fifth. 
This is in b.c. they said 

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alcohol, sales went up. 
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I mean I was buying boxes of 
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I don't know what the hell else 
to do. 

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you can handle a little glass of
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They have something. 
This SI that next thing I know 

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they're making a call. 
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stopped at one point, like it 
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can't just sit home and drink 
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people did not stop, you know, 
it's just ethnically. 

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Oh, some people don't have that 
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right? 
It's no, I'm going to drink this

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whole box of wine and then I'm 
going to call someone else to 

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come over to bring something to 
get me even more. 

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You know, don't mess up. 
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And then, of course, this has a 
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If family know the family 
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there's more fighting. 
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In my opinion, is probably the 
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I agree every in, every case 
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dysfunctional children in an 
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happened did the kids start 
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divorced you know that's the 
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And then on top of that, right? 
The, the kind of the the change 

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is society. 
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that Vancouver. 
Ever went back to the post 

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pandemic. 
No, I feel like it was just, 

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it's been stuck. 
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pandemic of sorts. 
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Feel the real pandemic is the 
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violence. 
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You know, they were showing you,
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I'm someone with high anxiety 

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already so somebody and I don't 
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anxiety, whether it be 
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fear, I think that the whole 
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ways and triggered in ways that 
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been Yeah, it was a surreal time
for me like a you speaking 

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personally like it was like the 
first I knew that we were in for

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an interesting Journey when 
people and flying from Hong Kong

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were arriving with 8 L ball. 
He said, yeah I'm like oh God. 

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Yeah you know like look at this 
that you know this issue back to

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the pandemic quickly look how 
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been in public where I have seen
people this have a Meltdown 

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because someone's not wearing a 
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And the guy says all, sorry my, 
but the Strangling Mouse broke 

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and have another guy person 
screaming like just and, and, 

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you know, that was disturbing, 
you know, and then also kind of 

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like these, I hate to say it. 
But these very self-righteous 

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type that decided that for 
whatever reason, if people 

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didn't get vaccinated, they were
like the scourge of humanity and

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real vocal about it, right? 
So that that can exhaust brake 

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mental health to write, you 
know, you're out in public and 

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your Raid that old my God. 
If I don't wear a mask, if I 

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don't do this, I'm going to be 
targeting, right? 

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And I seen some pretty vicious 
stuff. 

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People did get very vicious well
and then you came to the the 

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part where people were being 
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People weren't even allowed to 
go out in public. 

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If they weren't vaccinated, they
weren't allowed in restaurants, 

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you know, it was 15. 
It was crazy. 

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Like that's the only possible 
Joy. 

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Who was a construction worker 
that I worked outside? 

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He had a who worked with a 
hammer or fit a construction 

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company for 14 years. 
Never had any issues that were 

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wrong. 
He didn't want to get 

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vaccinated. 
So they said, sore, if you do 

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get bucks and you're going to 
your, we're going to fire you so

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they said, no, I'm not going to 
get it, you know? 

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And then like how did that I 
want to lead to his mental 

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health? 
You know, being uplifted, it 

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didn't at all. 
So that was all Julie, the end 

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up having to leave, well, 
probably turn out to be a good 

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thing, who knows? 
But they end up leaving 

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Vancouver and moving to caliber 
which they end up being happy. 

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Well, there was a mass Exodus, I
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pandemic and still going on, 
people are leaving DC for all 

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these different reasons. 
And yeah, with with the yeah, 

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with the like getting 
vaccinated, I know a family 

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member who was not vaccinated, 
but they had been working from 

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home since probably early, March
of 2020, and this was in 2020, 

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the end of 2021, she was let go 
because she refused to get 

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vaccinated, but she'd been 
working from home for the past 

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year and a half. 
So it was just I mean and myself

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II didn't get vaccinated because
I was pregnant and for me I 

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didn't feel like I and for me 
I'm up to date with all my 

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vaccinations, you know, in other
areas of my life, I have always 

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had my vaccines my children have
their vaccines but this one was 

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just no. 
Yeah, but he have these people 

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with brass knuckles. 
You better have brought actually

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ended or your early leader in 
person in the world, you know. 

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Yeah. 
And I feel like it was fear that

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was you know, Mass like 
massively really pushing these 

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people to be like that was fear.
I think beer and the loss of 

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control that we all had for the 
last couple years. 

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And it was that's what was 
driving these people. 

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But I mean yeah it was very, you
know the other interest at me 

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about the pandemic. 
This is illegal digressing from 

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her topic, but however, it is 
interesting to me and I don't 

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know if it actually plays a 
component, but the destruction 

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of Celebrity culture because in 
the beginning they were all pro 

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this and then people this got 
that he got the ire of people. 

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Yeah, it's like you know like 
you had Tom Hanks lecturing 

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people for not wearing a mask 
and then you see him out and Bob

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but no worries. 
Yes to you you celebrities you 

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have four credits and that's 
what kind of came to look at 

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Hollywood. 
Hollywood's is like a joke now 

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the Will Smith slapping and you 
know what I mean? 

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It's like the pandemic, it not 
only the it decimated things. 

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A different way, but it just 
ripped apart, or culture or 

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especially the celebrity 
culture, like it's probably the 

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worst time now in the human 
history to be a celebrity. 

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Oh, yeah. 
Well, and even just being them, 

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like, with all their gray, 
hairs, go into their beard, you 

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know, big scruffy beards, and 
they all gained weight and it's 

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like, okay, well, you guys are 
human. 

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Well, that's kind of nice to 
see. 

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But yeah, I kind of shattered 
that, you know, Hollywood 

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picture, Holman self isolate, 
and she House, literally the 

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size of the Costco, you know, 
falling Holly's movie theaters. 

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And people say, oh really, yeah,
you poor thing right? 

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So yeah, I found that was 
interesting too because we're 

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were like our culture that we 
had like before going into 

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pandemic, you know, art culture,
celebrity stuff, gossip, all 

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that kind of, you know, movies 
coming out every, you know, 

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member movies. 
We should come out every Friday.

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Yeah. 
And and we don't really have 

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like like a, it could like a 
thorn world does not look the 

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way it looks before. 
Now, heater on the like again, 

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back to our topic, you turn on 
the news, it's just horrible 

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news kids being stabbed on the 
bus, the, you know, just going 

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on and on the SkyTrain 
hyper-violent, you'll stabbings 

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on the platform guy Trend, they 
release a picture of the guy. 

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Why don't they release the guys 
name? 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, but it's Pages like yours 

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that I feel really help them You
know, people that are out in our

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community be aware because 
posing a picture of that person 

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is important, but you don't see 
the main news streams posting 

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the pictures of some criminals 
that, you know, depending on 

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what the crime is. 
Maybe they are able to be 

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rehabilitated. 
But for people that are violent,

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offenders people that will go up
and stabbed a random stranger or

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cut a run. 
You know, decapitate a random 

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stranger, or, definitely, a 
beautiful beat up, an old lady 

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kidnap, and, you know, sexually 
abuse and murder children. 

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The fact that the government 
cannot see that maybe these 

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people need to stay in jail. 
Good. 

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That's just a neon flag for me. 
Sure that I agree 100%. 

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There's the you know, you know 
we all can be put into a 

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situation or maybe something 
Escalates and gets out of 

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control. 
Like maybe let's say, I go to 

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the bar and I drink too much and
then I get I have an argument 

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with an idiot and that I pushed 
the guy and he falls and hits 

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his head and I know get charged 
with manslaughter, right? 

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I didn't go, I did go out that 
day with the intention to kill 

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someone, right? 
And then I'll pay for the 

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mistake all do jail time and 
then during that time, I could 

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be sincerely remorseful and 
sorry and, you know, try to make

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amends to the found because it's
not my nature to kill people was

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a terrible situation that 
expired, but, but the other 

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people we talked about Predators
people that used a system gain 

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the system like Clifford Olson, 
game, the system financially, 

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and for his means, you know, 
that our system should not give 

448
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,700
them any. 
The system should be, there 

449
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,400
should be something in place 
that they can identify who they 

450
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200
are, and make sure that they're 
punished a quarter, and it 

451
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,900
should be Taylor, exact 
individuals, and the individuals

452
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:34,500
crimes, you know, not just 
across the board, a city that 

453
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,500
we're all three of us. 
You know, grew up in Metro 

454
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:40,400
Vancouver. 
That you know, it had its 

455
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,100
moments, there was, you know, 
times a night, you know, bars or

456
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:48,100
whatever that you didn't go to. 
And if you want to trouble you 

457
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,400
could course always find it. 
We're now we're in a situation 

458
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,700
where it doesn't matter. 
You could be walking during the 

459
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:58,800
day the afternoon, wherever 
taking public transit SkyTrain 

460
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,700
and find yourself in a very 
terrible situation, which is the

461
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,900
kind of a new phase, right, 
where we're at. 

462
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,400
But I believe that the 
government has and should be 

463
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,500
responsible and should take this
serious. 

464
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:15,700
If they if they did all that 
stuff for the pandemic locking 

465
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:20,100
us down. 
Making us jump, you know, Skip 

466
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,700
and hop every time they put out 
a new, you know, mandate a mask 

467
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,000
or this or that, right? 
You know, they the government 

468
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,500
stepped in and took control of 
society. 

469
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,500
Well, I feel that they can do 
this because this is just as 

470
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:36,000
dangerous and this is actually 
probably puts people even have 

471
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,800
more, a true risk. 
Not only that The business 

472
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,500
killer, the economics. 
I know. 

473
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,100
Now you talk about someone 
having a business is such a 

474
00:26:44,108 --> 00:26:46,700
terrible thing. 
Small businesses are the biggest

475
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,100
employers and is one of the 
biggest economic factors for, 

476
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,500
especially, for the city of 
Vancouver, people start 

477
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:57,400
businesses, they hire people, it
causes economic spin-off, right?

478
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,000
And so, then it comes down to 
was a biggest factor, is 

479
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,900
underlining addiction. 
Is probably one of the biggest 

480
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:07,400
factors addiction and mental 
health, right? 

481
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Why is it so hard for people to 
get help? 

482
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,100
I've seen it personally it right
where people who need mental 

483
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,800
health, their on waiting lists 
or they do get it through the 

484
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,800
public system and it, excuse my 
language. 

485
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,200
It's the only elegant way way I 
can express it. 

486
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,800
The type of therapy. 
They get is complete dog. 

487
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,700
Shit. 
We happily dog, shit. 

488
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,000
It's like a little pamphlet that
you get in a waiting room. 

489
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,900
Oh, how do you feel I'm gonna do
or, or a phone call? 

490
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:42,000
Like yeah. 
Well as and call I've been on 

491
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,800
some Zoom calls for for other 
people to support them and the 

492
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,200
so-called therapist person, I 
even said this is like, this is 

493
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,700
worse than dry through McDonald.
Yes. 

494
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:57,300
Yeah, very impersonal. 
Yeah, and then let's put them on

495
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,700
drugs. 
Let's put on from n to just 

496
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,100
press any press. 
Yes, it's working on some making

497
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,600
me. 
Like at sleep gives me saw. 

498
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,700
While we're off, it'll wear off 
to school here. 

499
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,300
Some sleeping pills. 
Here's some sleeping pills to 

500
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:10,700
help with that or here's some, 
you know. 

501
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,000
Yeah, exactly. 
It's the care is not at the 

502
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,700
level that it should be for, for
the level of. 

503
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,300
Yeah. 
No. 

504
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800
It's actually pretty bad. 
It's actually, in my opinion, 

505
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,900
it's embarrassing from the stuff
I witnessed. 

506
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:26,800
It says, was embarrassing. 
The witness it live like. 

507
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,500
Yeah. 
And also, I mean, I think that 

508
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,800
what really came out to a lot of
how, like, we were kind of 

509
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,300
touched on the government, and 
you know what, they contributed 

510
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,600
obviously for their, you know, 
just the criminal justice 

511
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,200
system. 
But also, if you look at and we 

512
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200
discuss this on our podcast a 
lot, you know, a lot of people 

513
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200
were not privy to what our 
government, what was going on in

514
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,100
our government through the 
years, especially when it comes 

515
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:57,400
to the Havoc, That they've 
caused on indigenous families 

516
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:01,500
and, you know, the generational 
effect that it had on these 

517
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:07,000
families and the fact that they 
are, I mean to just be cut and 

518
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,600
dry. 
I mean, they are responsible for

519
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,000
a lot of the things that we see,
right. 

520
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,600
A lot of the generational issues
that we've seen and a lot of the

521
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:21,300
people suffering with these 
because of these generational 

522
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:26,300
issues in the trauma of 
residential schools, Poor, first

523
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,800
and foremost, those are the 
issues, right? 

524
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,700
Those have been issues. 
But now, to not provide the 

525
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:37,600
resources at these people need 
to, you know, the counseling, 

526
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,500
these severe, like they need 
therapy. 

527
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:45,200
They need things to help them 
understand which, how can you 

528
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,200
even understand what happened to
these two their families, right?

529
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,700
It'll destroy. 
Someone's Community is so yeah. 

530
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,800
When you expect them to steal 
functional, this oldest fit 

531
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,500
right in. 
And it's, you know, do the right

532
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,400
thing, right? 
That there's a lot of layers at 

533
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,200
this. 
There's a it, the overwhelming? 

534
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,600
I mean, just to listen to it. 
I can't imagine. 

535
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
I was fortunate enough to not 
have to live through it. 

536
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,700
I can't imagine how you even 
would differentiate, you know 

537
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:12,400
what's, okay? 
And what's not, okay, when 

538
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,100
you've grown up with so much 
intergenerational trauma? 

539
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,500
Yeah. 
Oh, absolutely. 

540
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,500
And then you talk about this. 
So the downtown Eastside, one of

541
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,300
the factors that created the 
downtown Eastside. 

542
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,100
So I don't know if you remember,
like I remember back. 

543
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,500
In the day when day me street 
was the bad streak was Davey 

544
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:30,700
Street and it was like there's a
documentary. 

545
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,400
It's actually pretty good. 
It's it was done in the 80s as 

546
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,700
called the hookers on Davis 
Street. 

547
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:39,200
You can find it on YouTube and 
and they be Street was 

548
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,000
discovered the Frog sex workers 
on thing. 150 at any given day 

549
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,800
time and night would be working 
the street and then they pushed 

550
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,100
them all down to the downtown 
east side. 

551
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,000
Then on top of that, that they 
close down River View and they 

552
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,300
created this kind of Open air 
drug area that was filled with a

553
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:05,300
pie population of mental health 
ex-patients from Riverview, what

554
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:08,400
could go wrong, right? 
So this like 30 years in the 

555
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400
making, right? 
So we created almost like this 

556
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,700
perfect storm in my opinion, 
that's 30 years in the making we

557
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,600
stopped building adequate social
housing. 

558
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,600
Those disgusting sros hotels, 
were never meant to be social 

559
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800
housing. 
Oh, no, those those were built 

560
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,500
like in the 1900s when when men 
would come into Vancouver and 

561
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,600
work in a sawmill single men, 
And they be working on the 

562
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,700
waterfront there, on the 
Sawmills. 

563
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:40,200
And then it go to their room and
pass out and go to work in the 

564
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,700
next morning right there. 
That's what they're almost like.

565
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,000
We're like hostiles. 
Yeah, you know, they're and 

566
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,800
they're disgusting like, you 
know, they share each floor, 

567
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,500
shares a bathroom. 
We do it. 

568
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,800
It's inhumane. 
Yeah. 

569
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,200
And you know God so lot easily 
have that, right? 

570
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,200
You have this, basically this 
environment that's not suitable.

571
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,600
and then filled with drugs, 
violence, And there's no 

572
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,300
solution really Insight, which 
is scarce. 

573
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Yeah, it is. 
It's pretty depressing for sure.

574
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600
I spoke to be the ethanol. 
It definitely. 

575
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Well, and also too. 
I know you have kids, you have 

576
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,300
young kids and I have young kids
and Mom, you have viable. 

577
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:25,400
You have young kids to. 
Yeah. 

578
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:30,000
But you know, it really makes 
you think because, you know, 

579
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,900
obviously our kids are growing 
up in this time right now and 

580
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,800
there's lots of people out there
with young kids. 

581
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,900
I know a lot of another was a 
little baby boom. 

582
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,900
After the pandemic, that's 
another thing that happened, you

583
00:32:40,908 --> 00:32:44,400
know, a lot of people. 
What else did you do in the 

584
00:32:44,408 --> 00:32:46,600
pandemic? 
I mean, There's a lot of people 

585
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,000
like I said there was a lot of 
divorce but there was also a lot

586
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,000
of births. 
So that is just it people, the 

587
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,600
importance of making sure that 
you're working through your 

588
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
stuff and that you have a 
government that is there to help

589
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,300
you. 
And to, to make sure that this 

590
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,800
is not the same things happening
every decade and these kids are 

591
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,700
being born into a more more, and
more violent left report of 

592
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:14,300
length, less affordable. 
Less affordable. 

593
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,800
Yeah, that's thing you touch on 
to. 

594
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,700
Why would I want to live in a 
city where it's just like five 

595
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:25,000
times were to live but five 
times more Violet and not very 

596
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,600
fun. 
Anywhere Member One, Vancouver 

597
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,100
East, be fun. 
Yeah and you didn't have to 

598
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,700
worry, you could go out late at 
night. 

599
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,800
I said, go out. 
Like I'd be cutting standing 

600
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,800
when I live downtown. 
I've been staggering home at 

601
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,100
5:00 in the morning, you know, 
like the chopped I could ever 

602
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:44,500
been the easiest Target in the 
world and And never ever had but

603
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,900
didn't even come into your mind 
at that time cop. 

604
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,300
Luckily not to like two years 
ago or so. 

605
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:52,900
Oh my God. 
You know? 

606
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,300
Yeah. 
So let's change the law, you 

607
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,700
know the city, you know for 
listeners, right? 

608
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,600
It's like the city used to be a 
fun place used to be, you know, 

609
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,300
a great place for a young person
to live and it was always a 

610
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:08,300
little on the pricey side but 
there was stuff that made up for

611
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:08,800
it. 
Yeah. 

612
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,000
Yeah. 
Like being able to ride the bus 

613
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,900
and not have to worry even 
Something going on the sky 

614
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,900
draining kids, kids are on the 
SkyTrain. 

615
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,600
You know you I would never let 
my child now. 

616
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,400
Just all that's happening. 
I would, I would not feel safe 

617
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,600
allowing my child especially 
even just after the last two 

618
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,300
weeks. 
But I've seen the teenagers that

619
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:35,000
have to take transit, right? 
I would suggest is you know, 

620
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,900
through people you trust of 
course is Hobbit. 

621
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:41,100
Rock your phones with people? 
You trust if I'm on the sky 

622
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,100
drain, you can track where 
Removing an unfortunate that 

623
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,699
lady was doing that for her son.
She was tracking her son. 

624
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
And then she saw that he went to
Royal Columbia. 

625
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:54,900
Oh, they're gonna devastating my
awful but that is a good Dino 

626
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,900
tip to do though. 
Ray can track someone and and 

627
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,100
and the thing is is that they 
keeping that kid. 

628
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,800
I'm not saying he did anything 
wrong, but don't be afraid to 

629
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
call 911. 
If you really feel like your 

630
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,100
life is at stake. 
Well and I feel that kids these 

631
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,700
days. 
Maybe they don't even know like 

632
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,100
Because to have a confrontation 
with somebody, that's one thing,

633
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,100
but to think of the next level 
of someone's going to attack me 

634
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,200
with a weapon or you know, 
exactly. 

635
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,500
Because it's one thing to have 
words and especially, you know, 

636
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,200
at that age. 
If someone were to say something

637
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,500
to you and I don't know the 
exact background, I don't know. 

638
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,400
Maybe, Mark, I don't know if you
have any more light on that but 

639
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,600
I don't know if these kids were 
known to each other. 

640
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,300
I don't know, but I heard that 
the girl. 

641
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,000
So this is what I heard, this 
book, The Bus. 

642
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:47,300
We were a kid, got murder on the
bun bus on was a King George, 

643
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,000
right? 
Yeah, he said, he knew that I 

644
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,100
wore my understanding is he knew
the girl and the girl didn't 

645
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,600
like him and she was whistling, 
you know, her new boyfriend that

646
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,600
and I heard a rumor. 
I know if they'll quote me on 

647
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,200
this but he just recently got 
released out of juvie. 

648
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:06,400
No, it's always those. 
We look that is, it's always 

649
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400
repeat offenders that were 
reading about in the newspapers 

650
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
or you're reading about your 
hearing, you're seeing on your 

651
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,400
page, you know this And while 
they're out on parole or they're

652
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,400
out on whatever probation, 
they're repeating the same 

653
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,900
offenses but they're taking that
extra step. 

654
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:28,900
And now look I mean who knows 
what he was in before in for but

655
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,300
now you know he's going to be in
there for murder. 

656
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,200
But will he be in there longer 
than five years? 

657
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,100
Because he's not very old. 
I think he's 20. 

658
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,900
Yeah. 
So Lisa be charged in a doll but

659
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,400
still right and what does that 
do here? 

660
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,400
No, in end of the day, call it 
what it is. 

661
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,000
It's cold-blooded murder and 
like that. 

662
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,500
Other guy that stops where I 
think that I survived, but he 

663
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,500
was in critical condition and 
I'm like, saying, seriously, not

664
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,100
even their releases name. 
Nothing. 

665
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:58,300
And and, and and I was, I would 
think at the very least if you 

666
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:02,500
do a type of violent incident on
the SkyTrain, shouldn't he be 

667
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:06,800
banned from riding it forever? 
Yeah, I don't. 

668
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,300
I, yeah, I think I don't get why
that's on the, or even like a 

669
00:37:10,308 --> 00:37:13,000
make or conditions like you're 
not allowed to use it. 

670
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,700
I traded there was this guy at 
post about last summer, real 

671
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:21,500
monster, the new West, he talked
three women on the SkyTrain bit 

672
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,900
one other seeds. 
I remember that, I remember that

673
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000
guy and it's always that same, 
guys picture that pops up into 

674
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,700
my head. 
The guy who I'm he's a child, a 

675
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:33,300
child molester. 
I know the one who changes his 

676
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:35,000
appearance all the time. 
Yeah. 

677
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,100
Yes. 
And I know this happened last 

678
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,200
time I can I give you a an idea 
of his appearance but you 

679
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,400
literally I think one time you 
post a picture of him having 

680
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,400
like for Different appearances 
beards. 

681
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,700
But that's yeah I know that guy 
he uses disguises and Stockwell 

682
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:54,200
dress up like a dog catcher or a
priest and he'll try to like 

683
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,300
dress up in ways that will be 
more appealing to kids to. 

684
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:58,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

685
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,300
That's why that guy. 
There's no way in hell. 

686
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,900
That guy should ever see that's 
enough going to say well why the

687
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:07,600
fuck is this guy in and out 
still when you know that he'll 

688
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,700
do anything in his power to 
change his disguise so he can 

689
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,900
commit the same? 
And a crime again, that guy 

690
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:20,000
should be away for life. 
You know, how deep of a monster 

691
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,300
that guy was so he was in a 
halfway house that that was run 

692
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:31,000
by the parole board of Canada. 
Right. 

693
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:37,100
So he I don't know why if you 
work with child molesters and 

694
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:39,800
right you'd bring your kid to 
work but it was bring your kids 

695
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:42,900
that day that guy got out of 
this room. 

696
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:47,000
And one of the actual like staff
members brought their kit to 

697
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,500
work and he was found with that 
guy's kid with their kid in his 

698
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:53,800
room. 
They, yeah, I remember that. 

699
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:57,300
Well, if a key is he will even 
take a chance with like he's 

700
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,600
walls and under halfway house. 
The try to be alone with the 

701
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,300
child of one of the staff? 
Yeah. 

702
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,900
That's because they don't stop. 
Yeah. 

703
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,900
The government has to stop them.
The criminal justice system has 

704
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:13,500
to keep them away. 
And I feel like that's why I 

705
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,500
brought that up is just being 
aware. 

706
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,300
I think this is another good tip
to how to stay safe. 

707
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:24,000
Is being vigilant of knowing 
like following a page, like 

708
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Vancouver, True Crime. 
I mean because these days a lot 

709
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,400
of people are very desensitized 
to things and, you know, they 

710
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,100
don't watch the news and they 
don't, but they do connect with 

711
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,600
Pages like yours and that's why 
you're doing such a great 

712
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,300
service, posting these peoples 
pictures, posting, you know, 

713
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:46,100
where these people attack, Back 
people posting just being aware 

714
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:49,400
and Vigilant of your community 
and knowing things that are 

715
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,600
happening in your community. 
I think that plays a big role in

716
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
knowing how to stay safe. 
I mean maybe people are going to

717
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:58,900
kind of avoid public transit 
right now but some people don't 

718
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,100
have that luxury, right? 
And if he don't have to, you 

719
00:40:02,107 --> 00:40:04,300
know, because again look at 
where all the violent incidents 

720
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,200
they haven't been at nightclubs.
I haven't been at scary biker 

721
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,300
bars or places that you'd think 
there'd be like lots of 

722
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,200
violence. 
No, they've been like you said, 

723
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,000
malls. 
It's SkyTrain buses, public area

724
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,300
restaurants yeah, everyday areas
that people everyday people are 

725
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:22,300
going through. 
Okay. 

726
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:25,600
Wow so you know out on the 
street the sidewalk or whatever 

727
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:31,200
Starbuck yeah Starbucks Sunday, 
a Sunday afternoon on Starbucks.

728
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,500
A dad with his toddler gets 
stabbed to death. 

729
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,700
Like, you know, you this 
horrible, you know, that I said 

730
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,200
the city. 
So these were the things that I 

731
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,400
would suggest to the audience, 
right? 

732
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,000
If you're a type of person that 
likes to argue with people or 

733
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
looking alike to give your 
opinion, maybe that's the time 

734
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,400
to stop doing that and there's 
no point of getting any type of 

735
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,500
verbal confrontation. 
No, definitely, no. 

736
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,000
If someone comes up to you and 
says something crazy, walk away,

737
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,400
don't say a thing. 
If they're violent or your, 

738
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,000
they're like having that posture
violets, get away from them 

739
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,900
right, great distance, right? 
Don't engage them verbally. 

740
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,300
I would not get into Any type of
confrontation with a stranger. 

741
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:18,500
Now I all you knows and I just 
don't, it's not. 

742
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,900
That's right now is being 
hyper-vigilant right? 

743
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:26,400
Like you know like I'm I posted 
about this guy using a bank 

744
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,800
machine ATM Sophos Seymour 
Street and he got robbed is a 

745
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,900
video of the die. 
Grabbing I'm the attack. 

746
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:32,600
You know. 
I'm right. 

747
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,600
And like you know again I'm not 
trying to be too judgmental 

748
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,600
today but maybe go use a better 
bait machine nominees one that's

749
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,900
so exposed to the public where 
he cat will ECB. 

750
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Nice. 
If you have to use a bank 

751
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,900
machine, go into were an actual 
Bank. 

752
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,800
That's open where you're inside.
Not like you knows ATMs are on 

753
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,700
like the, the street level. 
And the other thing were where 

754
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,300
people are being targeted is 
shopping malls in their 

755
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,600
shopping. 
So you go by, so yourself some 

756
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,300
nice shoes or whatever, and then
you're walking to your car with 

757
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,500
your bag. 
So this person sees a hey, this 

758
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:06,900
person just went shopping. 
These Promenade bought something

759
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:08,800
expensive. 
Been hearing people being 

760
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,800
targeted for that. 
So again it's like it's like you

761
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,900
Almost have to have this plan 
up. 

762
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,600
If you're going shopping, 
where's your car part? 

763
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,900
How do you get to your car 
looking around? 

764
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,200
You situational awareness? 
Right, exactly. 

765
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,500
And even I think because we live
in such a time of the internet 

766
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:30,200
and people constantly posting, 
you know, their location and 

767
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:34,100
where they are and you want. 
I mean, sure, my house is empty 

768
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,300
for two weeks. 
Yeah. 

769
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:38,700
Or posting, you know, kids 
especially our younger adults 

770
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:43,400
posting large amounts of money 
and They are and then all the 

771
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,100
sudden you hear about them being
robbed and killed or you know 

772
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,700
just people posting their 
location and maybe someone sees 

773
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,700
it and they don't like you. 
So they're going to come with 

774
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,900
their gang of buddies and 
they're going to mace you 

775
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:59,300
they're going to they're going 
to bear mace you and and swarm 

776
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:03,400
you you know it's just maybe 
don't post where you are while 

777
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400
you're there. 
I mean new pup tent and it's sad

778
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,400
that you even have to say that. 
Exactly. 

779
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,100
Yeah. 
It's like a way you conduct 

780
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,300
yourself. 
Like for me, if I'm out in 

781
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:17,400
public, I want to be as 
non-confrontational as possible.

782
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,700
You know, will try to be 
invisible void. 

783
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:22,600
People, do you know what I mean?
Like, just do what you got to 

784
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,900
do. 
Point A to point B. 

785
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,900
Do you know it's so sad? 
It's super unfortunate. 

786
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:31,600
Yeah, because that really takes 
away a not being enjoying 

787
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,400
Vancouver. 
Oh, having a cone up to a cafe 

788
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,600
or patio walking in an 
underground parking lot and not 

789
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,000
thinking about it or even I was 
downtown Saturday night and I 

790
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,500
was literally walking from Davey
and like right where Davey and 

791
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:52,000
Granville is and I was going 
maybe a block and I was thinking

792
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,700
like okay you know be aware keep
your head kind of always looking

793
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:57,100
behind you around. 
You. 

794
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:58,000
Is there anyone? 
Are? 

795
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,300
You getting bad energy? 
Know, and that I was what was 

796
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,600
exhausted. 
Are you here? 

797
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Yeah, it can be totally, right? 
Because who wants to live like 

798
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,500
this and fear and I hate that. 
I hate. 

799
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,400
I hate the idea of living. 
Being in fear. 

800
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,200
But at the same time we're kind 
of at a new kind of a new kind 

801
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,700
of Watermark and unfortunately I
don't think I think it's going 

802
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,000
to get a lot worse before it 
gets better, right? 

803
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,800
I really hope that they step in 
it to implement, you know, maybe

804
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,900
new legislation and er this took
a long time for it to get where 

805
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,400
we're at. 
So it's not going to go away 

806
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,300
overnight on. 
Yeah and I know that there was 

807
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,300
After the encampment was taken 
down from the one. 

808
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:43,400
I don't know what that one park 
is. 

809
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Not open Heimer Park but the 
other one that it was it went 

810
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,100
from there. 
Yeah it went and it went to 

811
00:44:49,107 --> 00:44:52,300
Crabtree but it also then went 
to the other one, you know, the 

812
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:56,500
casa gelato place. 
It's the one right there so that

813
00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:01,600
Park 2020, the end of 2020. 
It was, you know, there was 

814
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,500
there was it was almost like a 
little town. 

815
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,100
It was, it was, you know, 
encampment, but that's when 

816
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,900
they, when they took everyone 
from there. 

817
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,100
And again, our government does 
not have, we have these sros, 

818
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:19,000
but we don't have proper housing
and adequate housing for people 

819
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,200
to go to. 
So where did they go? 

820
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,900
They went to to Hastings right? 
Set up their tents on Hastings 

821
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,300
and now with what's going on 
too. 

822
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:30,700
And there, I mean, obviously 
they're there are some good 

823
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,800
things there, some bad things 
are not going about it. 

824
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,800
I mean, we know the VPD is not 
the most compassionate. 

825
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:40,900
People out there we know that 
just because of obviously the 

826
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,700
history but I feel that the way 
that they're going about it even

827
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:49,800
that, you know, it's traumatic 
and a cent, but where are these 

828
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,600
people going to go? 
You know, there's no help. 

829
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,500
It's a tough situation of 
Catch-22 because it's like all 

830
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:01,700
the fires and this and that but 
yet at the same time, I don't 

831
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,500
like the idea of just grabbing 
people hurting up throwing their

832
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,700
cry. 
Hop in the end the dumpster and 

833
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,200
okay, now if you go right 
because it you're just playing 

834
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,700
that game, you know peony 
wakamoto, okay? 

835
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,500
You take their tent down, guess 
what? 

836
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:16,500
They need somewhere to sleep. 
So they're going to get another 

837
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,400
cat like if I'm not going to 
sleep on the sidewalk in the 

838
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,400
rain. 
Yeah. 

839
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
And at the end of the day it's 
not just someone's tent, right? 

840
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,400
And in their world, that's their
home. 

841
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Those are their belongings. 
Exactly. 

842
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,500
And humans, have we have basic 
needs. 

843
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,700
And one of our basic needs is is
shelter. 

844
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,400
So, Food shelter, respect and 
maybe some, you know, the 

845
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,500
empathy that we're not seeing in
The Compassion that we're not 

846
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:47,900
seeing, even in the having, you 
know, lack of adequate housing 

847
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:51,000
for any of these people, 
something on a touch on there. 

848
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600
So that you're just, you made me
think of something, what you 

849
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,300
said, apathy, right? 
So, I'd been thinking really 

850
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,700
hard like, hey like, why are 
these random macaques happening,

851
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:01,800
right? 
Like the, you know, I'm talking 

852
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,100
just a real random ones, right? 
And, and one of the things That 

853
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,600
I think of is like when you go 
downtown Vancouver and this is 

854
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,000
always been a parent for me this
even for a lost decade, the city

855
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,500
really comes across. 
And there's a lot of reasons why

856
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,700
people fall through the Crocs 
and there's a lot of reasons why

857
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:22,800
people don't write but when you 
walk around downtown it's very 

858
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,400
apparent. 
There's the halves you know, 

859
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,200
fancy outfits, too expensive, 
purses and shoes, dies and suits

860
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,200
and expensive haircuts and and 
then you someone with nothing, 

861
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,100
you know The street bagging 
stuff like that. 

862
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,200
So you see these contrasts 
right? 

863
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:43,300
And the people that have just 
walked by and just attend. 

864
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,100
Those people are invisible to 
them. 

865
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,800
I tried my best. 
If someone came up to me 

866
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,700
politely, hey I haven't eaten 
all day dead or dying. 

867
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,000
I'd see this personal. 
I'm sure. 

868
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200
Hey, I'll buy something at Tim 
Hortons iy water didn't make 

869
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,900
them feel human. 
I've seen a lot of people, not 

870
00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:59,900
judging them there. 
Everyone has different reasons 

871
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,200
for whatever, but, you know, 
sometimes you see more of the 

872
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,700
higher fanciful, this put out 
burden to everyone. 

873
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,900
Is invisible including me like 
all all if I could open the door

874
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,000
for them just because I'm a 
courteous person and they don't 

875
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,900
even give me eye contact, right?
And I'm not offended by just 

876
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:16,800
like that jerk, right? 
But what, I think, what that 

877
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,800
does to someone that's beaten 
down, and beaten down, and 

878
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,400
beaten down, and beaten down, 
and I'm not giving them any 

879
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,500
excuse, but they become very 
hostile to their environment 

880
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,600
because they feel that the 
environment is hostile to them. 

881
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,500
And so, think about you havenít,
you been using probably a, who 

882
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,900
knows what you've been using 
crystal meth blah, blah, blah. 

883
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:40,700
You're thinking is not right and
you very feel. 

884
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,800
There's no way out of this. 
How am I to get off the street? 

885
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,100
How I'm going to get out of this
tent? 

886
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:46,800
How am I going to kick this drug
addiction? 

887
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,300
Were you know like I couldn't 
even imagine that hole of 

888
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,000
Despair or what it would be 
like. 

889
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:56,900
And I think that would give me a
real sense of feeling of 

890
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:59,400
helplessness and then when 
you're feeling that sense of 

891
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,300
help was as you come from a A 
fear mindset and and again I'm 

892
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,800
not trying to make excuses for 
people that Randall a atop 

893
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,800
thanks, but I'm trying to 
understand the mindset right? 

894
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,600
And and even myself I've worked 
fancy job. 

895
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,600
That worked with Watershed work 
for IBM. 

896
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,800
I've had days where at the meet 
a fancy client, I'm wearing a 

897
00:49:16,808 --> 00:49:18,800
suit. 
All everyone holds a door for 

898
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,300
me. 
Everyone's old mr. 

899
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,200
This and mr. 
That Casual Friday were in jeans

900
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,000
and t-shirts. 
No one wants to look at me. 

901
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
I'm going to the bank that I've 
been to for the last five years 

902
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,000
or you. 
Oh do you have a bank account 

903
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,300
here? 
Do you can we see her ID? 

904
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,500
I'm here every Friday though. 
But yesterday was worthless 

905
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:37,800
Friday was wearing a suit and 
you guys were kissing my ass. 

906
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:42,000
So there's this Vancouver's, 
always had the strange kind of 

907
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,100
coldness are against that does 
rub people the wrong way and 

908
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,700
even myself a born raised 
Vancouver, right, there's a 

909
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,300
coldness and aloof here. 
So, with that with all these 

910
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,500
other perfect storms, I can see 
where this would build up, this 

911
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:00,200
kind of hostility. 
And in the, there is such a big 

912
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:04,700
You know, array of people in our
city, you know, there are people

913
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,300
there's there's and there's 
Lamborghinis with ends on the 

914
00:50:07,308 --> 00:50:12,100
back or elves, you know. 
And then right modulus here, yet

915
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:15,700
this year on the street, you're 
you're you're barely surviving 

916
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:20,000
and then some kid pulls up the 
lambo, it, you know, they'd be 

917
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,200
like exactly yeah yeah, it's a 
different city. 

918
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,900
It's a different environment and
quite frankly, it's one that I 

919
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:32,700
become not to a fan of like a 
All the Vancouver's I grew up 

920
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:39,200
with as a again, I'm old. 
I I've been living in Vancouver.

921
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:46,300
Consistently since 1977. 
So I've seen different versions 

922
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,200
of it. 
I remember the Expo 86 

923
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Vancouver. 
That was fun. 

924
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,600
I remember, you know, all the 
different, you know, eras that 

925
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,300
we've had when the movie 
industry was big and we were 

926
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,400
Hollywood North, and it was 
filled sets everywhere, you 

927
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,300
know, that, you know, he felt 
like the reliable for me being 

928
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,100
in the IT industry. 
Some of the.com booms of all 

929
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:09,100
these startups was an exciting 
time, lots of business 

930
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,900
opportunities, That met some 
amazing people. 

931
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:15,600
I've worked for some amazing 
companies, so I I'm glad I've 

932
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,200
had those experiences in this 
environment, but those are not, 

933
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,400
those are not around anymore and
that's not the Vancouver that 

934
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,600
we're today. 
It's morphed into something 

935
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,900
that's I find unrecognizable. 
They're still trying to promote 

936
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,500
the postcard of come here and 
whale. 

937
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:34,500
Watch and go skiing and golf but
if you want to be drinks, that's

938
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:36,000
funny too. 
Yeah. 

939
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,100
And don't turn your back or 
you're going to get and you bear

940
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:42,600
mace and Definitely my least 
favorite Vancouver. 

941
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:46,700
Yeah, you know, it's sad 
because, you know, can be an 

942
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,600
amazing place. 
It really can deter some when 

943
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:56,100
I'll K, when I used to travel 
for work, I had, I had 40 cities

944
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,300
in North America that I would 
travel throughout. 

945
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:00,600
I was always happy to come back 
to Vancouver. 

946
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,200
In always, though, you know, the
serenity it was calm. 

947
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,400
It was chill. 
It's almost like compared to 

948
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,700
some American cities. 
It's like you get off the plane 

949
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:10,200
and you feel like you're on out 
of that. 

950
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,100
Because it's just like a whore, 
everything is calm and the hello

951
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:17,500
quieter, you know like from from
going from Manhattan to 

952
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:21,500
Vancouver in one flight. 
It was like Bliss. 

953
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:26,200
Yeah. 
Oh it's so fresh air just rain 

954
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,400
the air smelled, nice, 
everything was green, you know, 

955
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:31,900
hmm. 
And so there's things that I 

956
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:35,400
really adore about the city and 
I want that back but I want this

957
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,200
to be a safe City, we too would 
be, it would be nice and I feel 

958
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,300
like That's a right that we 
should have as people that live 

959
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,100
here. 
People that visit here, you 

960
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:49,100
should be able to safely, go 
about your day, go take the bus,

961
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:53,100
you know, walk at Stanley Park 
without having all that fear, 

962
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:56,200
especially after the last couple
of years, we've had, for sure, 

963
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,400
could you imagine? 
I know, I don't feel guys are 

964
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,500
but I'm not, but can you imagine
being on online dating? 

965
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,900
I was bump with that. 
After its person. 

966
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:08,400
I looked at I always check the 
CSO and it was never good. 

967
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,100
Oh, Lee. 
The, I mean, you know, it's kind

968
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,700
of that taboo thing. 
We're not supposed to talk 

969
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:15,800
about, but there's some groups 
out there right now. 

970
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:21,100
That I mean, just the people 
that are out dating. 

971
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,200
If anyone the people that are 
listening right now, if you guys

972
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,500
are online dating just be 
careful that that person like a 

973
00:53:29,508 --> 00:53:33,900
mofo, you know, do your due 
diligence and be safe exactly 

974
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,900
what I know that you do some 
podcasts to with like 

975
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:42,100
narcissistic people like having 
You know, just the narcissistic 

976
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,800
personality disorder I feel is 
like more prevalent right now 

977
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,500
and there's more people and 
hiding in the shadows and their 

978
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:53,300
methods. 
It is is crazy. 

979
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:57,800
Like the way that they can 
Swindle you and they can just 

980
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,600
talk manipulate looking at the 
full story of something, they're

981
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,900
reading the first chapter. 
And okay, that's okay. 

982
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:09,900
Because, you know, you want to 
be happy, you want to be wanted 

983
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,600
you want, To be all these things
and yeah, right now with it, I 

984
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,700
swear this, the mental health 
aspect of every aspect of Our 

985
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:23,400
Lives is that's what the first 
thing that is has suffered from 

986
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,100
all of the stuff we've been 
through in the last couple of 

987
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:26,600
years. 
Whether it be the violence in 

988
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,300
our city, the the violence in 
our dating, the visor is all 

989
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:35,600
violence and it's all stemming 
from, everybody's lack of 

990
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,400
African. 
Find a general like this in 

991
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,800
general, right? 
I find people Pilar just harder 

992
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:45,900
if that makes sense and on edge.
Yeah, they're not haven't 

993
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,800
management. 
And I tell you, it's challenging

994
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,200
for sure. 
It's just the way that people 

995
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,800
are right now. 
The managing people right now, 

996
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:59,100
do get offended by everything. 
They also think they can act any

997
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:01,500
sort of way. 
There's no moral compass 

998
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,700
anymore. 
There's a lack of common sense. 

999
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,200
It's definitely challenging 
times. 

1000
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Well, and the thing is too, if 
you look at crime in general, 

1001
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,500
who is really mentally. 
Well, when they commit a crime 

1002
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:20,300
really, who is right? 
Of course, criminals, they 

1003
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:24,800
commit crimes because most of 
them, they don't have strongly 

1004
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,500
good. 
Their mental health is not good.

1005
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:31,500
Whether it be someone, you know,
committing a crime of passion in

1006
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:34,400
the moment or whether it be, 
someone committing, a 

1007
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,500
pre-planned, you know, stabbing 
or shooting or something. 

1008
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,200
These people, yes, mabini State 
of Mind. 

1009
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,500
Of course, of course, they 
they're struggling, but that 

1010
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:49,000
does not give them a be 
accountability, is not is not 

1011
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,600
there. 
Yeah. 

1012
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,100
And that's also it's like 
everyone's num2 things going on.

1013
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:57,200
It's I appreciate you guys 
coming to my podcast. 

1014
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Maybe next time we can do 
something with more fun 

1015
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,200
light-hearted. 
Maybe I could talk about online 

1016
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,500
dating. 
I'd love to talk with out with 

1017
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:04,900
you guys because I think I would
be findings. 

1018
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:08,000
Like, I got some crazy stories. 
No, definitely online. 

1019
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,400
Like a star. 
Online dating. 

1020
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,900
I have enough to fill two books.
Oh, just some of my own 

1021
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,600
experiences alone. 
Yep, oh, yeah. 

1022
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,400
No. 
I have some crazy stories to 

1023
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,600
like, I've been catfished. 
I owe, you know, then it's where

1024
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,000
your life's not complete, if you
haven't been catfished, so it's 

1025
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,800
okay. 
Yeah. 

1026
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,200
I know that's a whole crazy 
phenomenal because he was 

1027
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,400
Wonder, like, how long do they 
think they're going to get this 

1028
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,100
going for? 
Oh, God. 

1029
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:35,600
And there are they have put in 
some heavy-duty background work,

1030
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,600
because there are some people 
who have their I've watched some

1031
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,100
Mentor. 
He's words like this person is 

1032
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,500
created like 80 different 
accounts, you know? 

1033
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,600
And it's like the time I am so 
envious of the time that these 

1034
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,400
people must have, like, where 
are you living with that? 

1035
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,500
Yeah, very much for having us on
with you Mark, we're that. 

1036
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:56,900
Yeah. 
Thanks so much Mark. 

1037
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,400
Always. 
Great combo. 

1038
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,000
So it sounds great, do it again 
for you guys. 

1039
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,800
Yeah, you see out there. 
Okay, you to work. 

1040
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,100
Yeah, you take care. 
Bye bye.