1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,500 The Vancouver True Crime podcast. 2 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:09,800 Welcome to I am the show's host. My name is Mark. 3 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:16,500 Thank you for the enormous growth and support to my viewers 4 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:19,800 to my listeners. Nothing could happen without 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,800 you. Before I begin 2022 was a very 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,500 challenging year. Unfortunately, one of the most 7 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:33,000 difficult years I had my life. What doesn't kill me? 8 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:35,500 Makes me, stronger, Friedrich Nietzsche. 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,300 This song Going situations is due to people who wish me harm 10 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:48,300 and my family through a very vicious campaign of harassment 11 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:51,100 trolling and a slanderous whisper campaigns. 12 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:58,500 I have unfortunately had to deal with a lot of difficulties in my 13 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:04,300 personal life in 2022. But hey, I'm a public person who 14 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:08,500 built the platform based on my life experiences and stories. 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,200 I don't keep my own secrets. So why would I keep the secrets 16 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:20,900 of those who wish me harm? Oh, they did some pretty crazy 17 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:25,900 things including making the flam, ettore, posters doxxing my 18 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:29,300 address and photos, which they posted around my neighborhood 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,800 and school, where my kids go. Many people are aware of this 20 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,800 ongoing situation which is being handled in confident and will 21 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,500 become public when the time is, right? 22 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:48,700 The shocking nature of the details are very heinous and 23 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:53,800 highly illegal. Very regrettable for those 24 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,600 who've been violated by them, by these people, they brought great 25 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,700 pain trauma and suffering to those around them. 26 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:06,900 Monsters are real. Without a doubt, this is not 27 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:10,300 finished and more as a come, they chose a wrong Cowboy to 28 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:14,000 pick a fight with. So, my platform Vancouver, True 29 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,500 Crime, Was created to advocate for local community. 30 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Give a voiceless a platform and I have a platform because I'm a 31 00:02:25,408 --> 00:02:29,000 public person and since I don't keep the secrets about my own 32 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,700 life, I see no reason to keep the secrets of people who wish 33 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:37,300 me and my family harm. So now for the good news 34 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:42,500 Vancouver. True Crime podcast. 35 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:49,300 Had an exceptional year of growth. 200,000 downloads on 36 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:55,400 iTunes 100,000 on Spotify, which is a 95% increase. 37 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,100 I've been listed on 20 different podcasting websites and now 38 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:05,400 including Amazon music. The Vancouver True Crime podcast 39 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,900 has listeners and 43 countries. And currently is now the top 5% 40 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:15,600 podcast that gets Global shares, my audience, grew, and I 41 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,400 collaborated with some very amazing guests whom I'm very 42 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,600 grateful for their time and coming on my podcast. 43 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Thank you so much to all the guests who came And shared their 44 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,800 stories and experiences on the Vancouver. 45 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,400 True Crime podcast. My goal for 2020, 3 is to expand 46 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:43,200 more on social media, especially on video platforms and have my 47 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,900 podcast and also in video format with subtitles, I have an 48 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:52,500 extensive high-tech startup background in business, with 20 49 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:57,500 plus years, And my goal from the beginning was to create an 50 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,200 organic brand to provide a combination of advocacy 51 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,000 entertainment and value to my audience and for its growth or 52 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,900 2022 and more to come and twin 23. 53 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Thank you from the bottom of my heart. 54 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,500 Does today's culture, and Society, cause mental illness, 55 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,899 many mental health professionals. 56 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:24,200 Believe that these elements contribute significantly to many 57 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:27,600 Any of the issues that plague our society and way of life in 58 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,800 addition to Scientific and Technical advancement, we have 59 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,700 more access to resources than our ancestors. 60 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:36,800 We live in safer and more comfortable environments with 61 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,000 better access to food and modern medicine. 62 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,300 The circumstances of Modern Life with increased complex systems 63 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:47,900 of social organizations, are becoming more complex 64 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,900 contradictory, necessitating potentially unsettling cognitive 65 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:57,000 demand, Our life event that increased the risk factor of 66 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,200 mental illness like abuse. Trauma, stress domestic violence 67 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,100 adversity during childhood bullying conflict social 68 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:10,200 isolation, or substance abuse which can has a cause and effect 69 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,500 relationship with mental health. One is also expected to adapt to 70 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:20,600 a very fast-paced of Shifting. Social expectations, not to 71 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,800 mention modern society has increased A number of factors, 72 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,400 like suicide rates, legal issues, family, conflicts 73 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,200 employment issues, substance abuse, physical health problems, 74 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,000 and anxiety, major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder 75 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:43,900 schizophrenia, eating disorder, psychosis, depressive psychosis, 76 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:48,100 narcissistic personality disorder and borderline 77 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:53,200 personality disorder in memories dreams and Reflection by Carl 78 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,600 Jung. Search brought him to the 79 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,200 burning question. What? 80 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Exactly takes place inside the mentally ill? 81 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:05,500 He right through my mind therapy, only really begins 82 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:11,200 after the investigation of that, Holy personal story, it is the 83 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,000 patient Secret, The Rock Against which she is shattered. 84 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:19,800 If I know her Secret Story, I have the key to treatment in 85 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,800 most cases of explorations of conscious material is Agent in 86 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,400 therapy. The problem is always the whole 87 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,700 person, never the symptom alone. We must ask the question which 88 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:37,200 challenges the whole personality young treated, many 89 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,800 schizophrenic patients who are considered a lost cause he tells 90 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,300 a story of an 18 year. Old girl who's been abused at 91 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:49,500 the age of 15. She Retreats into isolation she 92 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:53,400 conceals herself from people, she was taken to a mental 93 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,700 hospital Oh, and remains in a cannon, tonic State over the 94 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:01,400 course of many weak. Young gradually persuaded her to 95 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,000 speak after overcoming many resistance. 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,200 She told young, she said that she did not like this world and 97 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,300 that the moon was beautiful. And life there was rich in 98 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:21,700 meaning he writes as a result of the incest, which she has been 99 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:26,400 subjected, this girl felt humiliated into the eyes of the 100 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,100 world, an elevated into a realm of fantasy. 101 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:35,300 The consequence was more complete alienation from the 102 00:07:35,308 --> 00:07:40,600 world, a state of psychosis, she's become extra mundane as it 103 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 were and lost contact with Humanity. 104 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:48,200 She plagued into Cosmic distances into outer space, 105 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,300 where she met a winged demon by telling me her story. 106 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,800 She had incense betrayed the demon and attached herself to an 107 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Earthly human being thereafter. I regarded the suffering of the 108 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,500 mentally ill in a different light, for I have gained insight 109 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:13,100 into the richness and the importance for I have gained 110 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:15,900 insight. Into the richness and the 111 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:21,400 importance of inner experiences. The book tribe by Sebastian 112 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Junger. This book provides a convincing 113 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,100 articulation of reasons why modern society is ill-suited to 114 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:34,299 become the innate social needs of human beings. 115 00:08:34,299 --> 00:08:37,100 Our ancestors lived in involved for many. 116 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,000 Thousands of years and hunter-gatherer group, we were 117 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,600 closely bonded together in a Cooperative Bond. 118 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,900 In order survive. Dangerous surrounding everyone. 119 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:50,000 In the group knew that they were dependent on each other. 120 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:54,500 The group was expected loyalty, cooperation, sharing resources 121 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:59,200 from individuals in the group modern society, in contrast 122 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,800 emphasized competitive individualism and the sharing of 123 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,700 resources is generally limited to the family and sometimes to 124 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:10,200 the extended family, the mismatch between This, Modern 125 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,500 environment and the innate Human Social needs can Need to 126 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:19,000 clinical depression and anxiety, chronic loneliness, and mental 127 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,800 illness, stash and younger, argues throughout history. 128 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Humans have had a strong instinct to belong to small 129 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,800 groups or tribes. These indigenous tribes gave 130 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,700 people a purpose and an understanding of life. 131 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:37,600 However, these tribal connections have been 132 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,700 obliterated by modern society, during the wars of early 133 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:47,700 colonialism with With indigenous tribes, many European settlers 134 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:50,200 were taken prisoners and held within the tribes. 135 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,600 After they had a chance to escape and return to their 136 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,500 modern society. Many refused to they prefer the 137 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:59,600 Primitive Society. Over the modern one on, the 138 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,400 contrary not one tribesmen wanted to flee, to modern 139 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,400 society, we have evolved genetically to live in an 140 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,800 interdependent group to survive this crazy quality. 141 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,700 As everyone this creates, equality as everyone plays a 142 00:10:18,708 --> 00:10:23,200 necessary role in the tribe, they work in cooperation for the 143 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,200 average of 12 hours, a week to survive, in contrast to the 144 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,000 40-hour workweek, that many modernized societies require the 145 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,200 tribes, cooperate for survival each day. 146 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,200 They go to hunt and gather and in the evening they returned and 147 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,000 share the food with their Community. 148 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,500 People often believe that modern in life with all its efficient 149 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,300 technology has allowed for more leisure time. 150 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:51,800 However, the exact opposite is True, Modern Life is 151 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,300 characterized by a desperate work, cycle financial obligation 152 00:10:56,300 --> 00:11:00,800 and more work, and more work, and sacrifices, sacrificing 153 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,500 personal freedom. One might argue, however, the 154 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:10,700 Modern Life has allowed the sense of Independence that tribe 155 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:15,600 folks could never have achieve leading to a It's a freedom also 156 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,400 lead to a feeling of alienation and depression. 157 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:24,800 We have not yet been genetically adapted to our environment. 158 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,300 We have not yet the enormous changes of the Industrial 159 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:33,200 Revolution has hardly begun to affect her gene pool. 160 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,000 In other words, even though we live in more complex society, we 161 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,900 are still hardwired to be hunters and gatherers. 162 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:43,700 Today we're surrounded by a group of people yet. 163 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:47,800 We feel completely alone. This is not something that we've 164 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,200 experienced until quite recently. 165 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,300 We are wired to belong to a group where we feel valued by 166 00:11:55,300 --> 00:12:00,400 our contribution to it without a group many fall into a sense of 167 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,300 meaningless and emptiness. Modern Life has disrupted. 168 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:09,700 The social bonds that has always characterized the Human 169 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:12,900 Experience. It breeds Comfort allowing 170 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:17,500 people to access Selfishly empty and lacking empathy for one. 171 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:23,600 Another food is not the only primary source of nourishment 172 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:27,700 for humans according to the World Health Organization, I 173 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:32,900 boat 450 million people continually to struggle with 174 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:36,700 mental illness, making it the leading cause of disability 175 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:43,300 around the world here at home. It affects more than six point 176 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:44,700 seven. In million of us. 177 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:51,600 In fact, one and two Canadians have or have in fact, one in two 178 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Canadians have or have had mental illness by the time they 179 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,400 reach 40 years old. What? 180 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,900 If it's your current relationship that's making you 181 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:05,700 sick and I don't mean STDs, I'm talking physically sick being 182 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:10,300 around someone interacting with a partner boyfriend, girlfriend 183 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,700 husband or wife mother or father or even. 184 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:17,500 Your own child, no matter how hard you try to accommodate so 185 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:20,700 empathy be reasonable. He find yourself getting 186 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:23,700 physically more and more sick being around these people. 187 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,100 This brings us to the realm of narcissistic abuse, highly 188 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,700 manipulative, and they seem to be wolves in sheep's clothing 189 00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:33,800 with the intent of causing you mental harm. 190 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,100 But this mental harm translate into physical harm being in a 191 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:40,100 narcissistic relationship with a narcissist. 192 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:43,700 Are psychotic person or person with borderline personality. 193 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Leti, can cause he's serious mental health problems and it 194 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,100 can cause you physical health problems, this can cause you 195 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,900 severe depression. Anxiety, headache artists, she's 196 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:58,700 blood pressure, inflammation, inflammation is a cause of many 197 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:01,900 diseases. Psoriasis, inflammatory bowel 198 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:05,700 disease causes you to age rapidly toward in your life span 199 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,700 autoimmune disorders. All being in the presence of a 200 00:14:09,708 --> 00:14:13,400 toxic person. Human beings are designed for 201 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,100 stress. Us. 202 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,700 Resigned as hunters and gatherers. 203 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:22,500 We love Sports and Physical Sports, and challenges, and 204 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:27,600 physical fitness. And myself, I've done boxing 205 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,700 weightlifting competitive wrestling different, martial 206 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,900 arts. I was competitive and track, and 207 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:39,200 field did weightlifting and bodybuilding for 30 years. 208 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:43,700 I've worked in very stressful, environments, construction, I 209 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,800 worked as an ironworker. I worked in corporate sales. 210 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,700 I've had deadlines, I've dealt with very difficult people. 211 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,800 I've thrived and stressful environments. 212 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,700 I understand stress, pressure deadlines. 213 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,100 However, I've worked at nightclubs and bars I've 214 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:06,200 interacted and had to deal with very violent people. 215 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:08,500 I've been around physical violence. 216 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:16,400 But nothing has ever prepared me for emotional abuse. 217 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Emotional trauma, being around. Toxic people that are highly 218 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,700 manipulative. Gaslight. 219 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:28,300 You play head games torment. You everything is your fault. 220 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:33,800 No matter how reasonable you try to speak with them. 221 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,200 They twist things. They torment. 222 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:43,000 You they make your world, fill upside down and 2020 20, my wife 223 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,500 died of an aneurysm I had to rush her to Royal Colombian 224 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:50,100 hospital for emergency brain surgery. 225 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,300 She didn't make it. I had to take her off, life, 226 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:58,100 support myself, so I know pain. I know pain. 227 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:01,400 Well, I know tragedy, but a year or so. 228 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,700 Before she died her mental health, deteriorated, her 229 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:08,800 behavior was very like borderline. 230 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,100 She had psychosis, she would have psychotic breaks and her 231 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:15,500 behavior was highly abusive involved. 232 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,000 A tile it extremely broke me down cause me nervous 233 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,300 breakdowns. I was even rushed to the 234 00:16:22,308 --> 00:16:25,100 hospital myself for what I thought. 235 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,800 I could be having a heart attack and then also the last two years 236 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:35,100 I have been witnessed to the most psychotic vicious 237 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:40,400 narcissistic abuse. I watched in horror seeing 238 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,900 vicious gaslighting. That I've ever witnessed after 239 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:47,100 everything. I've been through. 240 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:53,700 I know for a fact that if I ever got into a narcissistic abusive 241 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:58,500 relationship with someone who is psychotic or suffers from 242 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:02,100 borderline personality disorder, I don't think I could survive 243 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,500 it. I don't think I could survive 244 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,099 that type of stress and toxicity that they bring personally. 245 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:16,800 I'd rather get into a fight with the toughest biker and be on the 246 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:22,000 losing end of the fight. Then tangle with a malignant 247 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:27,200 narcissist or a borderline person with psychotic 248 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,900 Tendencies. Mental abuse is real and it 249 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:34,200 causes damage and it's vicious to deal with. 250 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,100 So this series is called evil intentions. 251 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,300 It's called narcissistic monsters. 252 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:48,400 And I want to highlight this for a few reasons because this is a 253 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,700 true crime podcast and I've always been interested in the 254 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,100 psychology behind the intentions of serial killers monsters 255 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:01,300 serial rapist. What is their intentions? 256 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,100 What drives? And what motivates them? 257 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,400 And these are monsters on a different Spectrum. 258 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:10,800 There are narcissists, that do become serial killers, like Ted 259 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,000 Bundy. Clifford. 260 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,100 Robert Olson was a vicious psychotic narcissist. 261 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:27,100 And in this episode, I am going to include a interview, police 262 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:32,900 interview, Paul, Bernardo. So you can listen how convincing 263 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:39,000 how dangerous And how narcissists can twist and 264 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,700 torment. And be very convincing. 265 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,900 These are highly dangerous people. 266 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:51,500 They do damage and they're evil. This episode so far in this 267 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:56,400 series, I have the honor to have some experts that are going to 268 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,800 be co-hosting many of the episodes with me. 269 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,200 I have legal experts. I will also come on the show 270 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,200 that will explain the legality, and when narcissist psychotic 271 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:11,300 people cross the line, what are your legal options? 272 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:16,200 There is no hell on Earth that I've ever witnessed. 273 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,800 That is like being in a relationship with someone who is 274 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,500 narcissistic a borderline, a psychotic person who only wants 275 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:34,300 to cause you mental harm. There are times when they do 276 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:37,200 cross the line and they will use violence. 277 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,700 But many, a times are cowards. They're cowards who want 278 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:46,300 deniability? So, there are expert in many 279 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:50,300 cases of how to torment was still. 280 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:53,800 Having that little threaded deniability, it's all in your 281 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,100 head, it's you who's making up. It's you who's the back person? 282 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:01,000 They're good at smearing you. They're good at whisper 283 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,400 campaigns. They're good at just making 284 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,600 things a little bit twisted that, so it's not just them, 285 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,400 it's you two, that are fighting. That's you two are in a 286 00:20:10,408 --> 00:20:13,000 conflict. When you just want nothing to do 287 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,100 with them. These people are con artists are 288 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:19,300 experts at conning. You, the love-bombing the 289 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:23,700 trickery at first, the little bit of doubt and they do things 290 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:30,700 in slow, increments little drips in the bucket at a time, add up 291 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:34,200 and fill the bucket. Something I'm going to explore 292 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,200 more of to is, is it different types of dark psychology? 293 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:45,700 Cults manipulation manipulation tactics I have about 20 years of 294 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,800 experience in sales. I've studied every type of sales 295 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,800 and NLP been through so many corporate training. 296 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,000 Seminars I know manipulation. Well because I was taught it, I 297 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,800 plan to share every manipulative trick that I've ever learned so 298 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,100 you The Listener can understand when someone's trying to 299 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:11,000 manipulate you, I'm going to be forthcoming of A little thing 300 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,500 that was ever taught. So you can be armed and have the 301 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:19,300 ability to listen to understand when someone is trying to 302 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:24,200 manipulate you adjourn 2022, in my hometown of Vancouver. 303 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:29,700 There's been a massive spike in crime and homelessness and drug 304 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:32,400 use and drug addiction drug overdose. 305 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,000 And a lot of times these people, these poor souls for however 306 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,100 they ended up on the street addicted to drugs. 307 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:44,400 The city, the people who try to care and prepare them. 308 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,900 There's a lot of good people with good intentions that do 309 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:51,100 want the best for these people and no matter the type of crimes 310 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:56,500 they do in Vancouver from random machete attacks to attacking 311 00:21:56,500 --> 00:22:01,900 people to destroying property. Thing that always is told to me 312 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:05,400 and told everyone is, they have mental health issues. 313 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,900 So our mental health system is broken. 314 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:13,300 It really is because I've witnessed things directly with 315 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:18,500 the mental health industry in Vancouver and BC in Metro 316 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,400 Vancouver. Were it seems that be very 317 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,600 inadequate in dealing with the rise of mental health and the 318 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,500 way that I believe that these people are being treated, is not 319 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,300 helping them in many times. It seems to make them worse for 320 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:34,800 whatever reason, and we're going to explore that. 321 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:38,600 And like I said, we're also going to talk about dangerous 322 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,700 predators who Used dating apps and I had a recent situation 323 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:46,400 that happened within the last couple of days. 324 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,100 I don't want to give out too many details, but a very serious 325 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:55,800 dangerous predator with 17 counts of sexual assault. 326 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,400 That used drugs and violence against women was caught active 327 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,400 on a dating site. And this was brought to my 328 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,300 attention and I'm happy to report that this dangerous creep 329 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,100 predator. Has now been arrested. 330 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,500 So this series is about keeping you safe and keeping you 331 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,400 informed about the dangerous people that lurk out there. 332 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,800 And again, this whole thing is on spectrums, there are some 333 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,400 people who are narcissists that are not dangerous, they become 334 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,000 actors, they become singers. They may be a bit of Diva 335 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,300 behavior and they may be unpleasant to deal with but 336 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:40,200 they're not dangerous. And then there's those who are 337 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,500 narcissus borderlines Psychopaths, that will use 338 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:48,800 dating sites, they'll use love-bombing that will be used 339 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,000 to lure, and groom and violence and manipulation and sexual 340 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,100 assault sometimes. Murder sometimes human 341 00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:01,600 trafficking and I'm grateful to have some great experts that are 342 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:05,600 going to be coming on board on this series to help you see 343 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,100 through manipulations and lies. So you guys can have a good life 344 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,800 and pick the right people in the right partners for yourself, so 345 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,500 you can do the things that are important to you. 346 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:30,700 Okay, it's on My name is detective. 347 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:35,800 Brad Hoover Dam with the Toronto Police Service sex crimes unit 348 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:42,500 the time now is 2:05 p.m. and we're presently at the Kingston 349 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,900 penitentiary in Kingston, Ontario in a boardroom. 350 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:50,200 And I stick is the main building and call it present in the room 351 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400 here. If I could just have each of 352 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,800 you, identify yourself and the purposes of videotape that's 353 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,200 being made, Seated to my left off camera now sitting at the 354 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,700 table as your counsel just please starts off. 355 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Yes certainly, it's Anthony Bryant. 356 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:08,600 And straight across the table for me. 357 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,000 If you could identify yourself and Constable darling, coolest 358 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Co UL is And I get my name is Brad Hoover 359 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:38,900 and today is June, 27, 2007. Mr. Teal the reason that we're 360 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:44,100 here today is to speak to regards to a couple of mins, a 361 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,100 couple of matters. First of all, before we start, I 362 00:25:47,108 --> 00:25:51,500 just want you to make sure you're aware that what we say is 363 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,900 being videotaped here. Yeah, I'm just going to start 364 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:56,400 this audiotape. I forgot. 365 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800 It just started. This audio tape. 366 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,600 Here we started the interview at 2:05 p.m. my name is detective. 367 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:21,700 Brian for all you're not presently, being given a caution 368 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,200 or anything. I want you to understand what 369 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,300 you're saying to us today is voluntary and means. 370 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,300 If you don't want to talk to us you don't have to your counsel 371 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,600 is present and if you need to speak to him, you certainly can. 372 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600 But I just want to make sure you understand what you're seeing 373 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,200 here is voluntary. And we're interviewing you as a 374 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,300 potential witness to understand that. 375 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:47,100 Yeah. Just a little bit of background 376 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:53,200 about the first time we met last year in April 2006. 377 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,900 That was in regards to letter that you had sent through the 378 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:02,000 Attorney General's office. Filtered down to my office, in 379 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,600 regards to some Admissions and made of some sexual assaults 380 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000 that you committed. I'm here to tell you that I have 381 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,700 concluded that investigation and there have been Two offenses 382 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,400 that I have been able to identify and with the 383 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,600 information that you provided to me at that time was able to 384 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,700 conclude those matters as having been committed by yourself. 385 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,900 So, for that, I thank you for that information, sorry. 386 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,400 You've identified identified this as did the no no, I've 387 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,400 identified the offense that you were talking about and based on 388 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,100 that information, I was able to include those cases. 389 00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,100 That actually provided enough information that I was satisfied 390 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,300 that you were the person that committed. 391 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,000 This offense has one of Moses and makes sense. 392 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000 What about ones that you thought that I came from? 393 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,300 Within about that, I didn't do. It was very little out. 394 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,400 There was none that I thought that you didn't do there was 395 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,900 some that I didn't have enough information to either again. 396 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:07,700 By the offense because you are able to provide enough details 397 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,800 at that time or they may not have ever been reported to the 398 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:18,300 police as you said and we spoke some of them were called minor 399 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:22,400 type of offenses but offenses, it being I have been reported to 400 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,100 the police. Okay. 401 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:28,100 Um I turned on the TV. I waited for peel region 402 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:30,500 overcome by September rolls around. 403 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,600 They stay and make a public announcement. 404 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,500 It's written On my file here that that I lied to police and I 405 00:28:36,508 --> 00:28:38,400 did not commit the crimes. I say that committee. 406 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:47,700 I've spoken to peel region and They have told me that. 407 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,500 They don't have enough information at this point to 408 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:56,500 identify anything that you the letter that was sent to the 409 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,100 police or to through, to the police wasn't specific enough to 410 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:03,100 identify any of us has. Now, that's something that we 411 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,000 could talk about. Sir following this interview and 412 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,800 if you want to get into that, we can talk about that but I can 413 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,700 sit with this for years and it's written on my file name, will 414 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:16,600 seem like only just this crazy, you know, because love doing 415 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,300 that. I'm just crazy psychopath liar. 416 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:23,000 Why was that Steven issue? Why didn't they come in and talk 417 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,600 to? It didn't have enough 418 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,300 information. We were waiting on that tape, 419 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,800 you play that tape back. I'll ask you guys to reach more 420 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,900 going to come in. I sat there month after month 421 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,300 after month. No one came. 422 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,400 I turned on the TV and September. 423 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,600 Puma no. Declared the Paul. 424 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,200 Bernardo was the oldest crazy liar to the least. 425 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,200 But what's the fundamental problem here? 426 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:45,300 Well, I know, I mean, I guess this the Canadian way and and, 427 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,000 and, and no one comes in. And now, you guys are saying, 428 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,500 they didn't have enough information. 429 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:52,100 While I can't answer for them specifically, as to what they 430 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:55,900 did or didn't do I can tell you that because there are separate 431 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:57,700 Police Department. I don't have any control over 432 00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,000 what investigation that they did do. 433 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,800 I can tell you that I have spoken with the investigator and 434 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000 peel region and they Told me that at this point, they don't 435 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,100 have enough information to move forward. 436 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,900 They haven't been able to identify any offense. 437 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,600 That was specifically talked about that statement. 438 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,200 You're giving me as much different than the public 439 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,500 statement. They said we're said I was a 440 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,400 liar. Okay, well I don't I don't write 441 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,800 day and they didn't come in if they don't have enough 442 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,400 information. Once you come in, get the 443 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,100 information, how do you drive lying or not lying in? 444 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:27,800 This goes to the Crux of this argument either. 445 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,600 I'm a liar to you. I'm like you right now but 446 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,000 everything like I did to peel Regional according to their 447 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,800 story or not, you know. I just I just First, I'm not 448 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,900 going to sit here and go. Come voluntarily and have 449 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,000 people. Come, you guys ban me from the 450 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Press. You roll your stores over and 451 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,900 costly say that I'm a liar. I'm a liar. 452 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,400 I'm a mistake 17 years ago. Said, okay. 453 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,600 Fine, I did. But now we're talking about 454 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,700 today and you're not going to roll forward that I'm some 455 00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:53,700 psychopath liar, sitting in jail, cleaning other people's 456 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,300 responsibilities for other crimes. 457 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,100 That this is a total cross-examination point. 458 00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,800 You want to start this think 4:00 yours gonna grab a hold of 459 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,900 it and say, well, he lied about other crimes, you know, he's a, 460 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,900 he's a crazy liar. Why didn't you guys resolve 461 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,600 this? And again, I can't answer for 462 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,300 what field region. Dinner, didn't do 463 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,400 jurisdictionally. We're kind of down towards the 464 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,700 good guys, the bad guys. You know what I mean? 465 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,800 You're on the same team. Yes, we are. 466 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,200 As far as awesome fact, investigating knives that take 467 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600 place outside of the actual Toronto. 468 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,100 Proper. That's why pill region has their 469 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,200 Police Service in length. Detective Hoover, said we can 470 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200 answer as to what they did with their investigations, or the 471 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,900 mat, the issues that they were looking at that transpired out 472 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:36,500 in your area. We really can't speak to that, 473 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,200 you know, whether that's something you wish to have your 474 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Council deal with them on and that something else. 475 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,100 But unfortunately, there was a lot that detective Gruber and I 476 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:45,600 could do in regards to those things. 477 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:49,200 Well, I thought I'd leave you. There were two watching this 478 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,700 thing and they should subpoena. These guys will peel Regional. 479 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,300 They can bring it all the facts to show just where I like it if 480 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,600 I'm a liar. That's what I say to do it. 481 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800 Because either I'm a liar. I'm not a liar and I'm not a 482 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,400 liar. But you guys are trying to paint 483 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,300 me as one of the public court to the public, they turn on the TV 484 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,100 and September of last year. This crazy liar. 485 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,100 That's what the TV reported. And not only did they reported 486 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:12,100 their they wrote it on my file. I've got a very myself all but I 487 00:32:12,108 --> 00:32:15,000 do feel Regional said all around life to police about crimes. 488 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,300 He didn't commit said, he did. Okay, I mean, this is this. 489 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,700 That's just awful. I mean, come on enough 490 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:22,000 manipulation, you know what I mean? 491 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600 Either, he told the truth or otherwise, the whole purpose of 492 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600 the interview is just stupid. Because if on this crazy liar, 493 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,100 I'll be sitting here like you anyway, right? 494 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,300 I mean, why wouldn't I have? This is crazy liar. 495 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,100 And then again, I don't, I don't know. 496 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Exactly what was said like little region. 497 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400 And I'm not here to answer to what they said. 498 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,400 Either, you know, it is one thing is, I'm a human being and 499 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,100 to say that I'm dangerous offender and raping and killing 500 00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,300 all this stuff is fine. I mean, free publicity. 501 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,800 Oh, get that real tough on crime. 502 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,100 Get that back. But when you go to a certain 503 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,500 point of line, it's just, I mean, it affects me totally, you 504 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:00,100 know, I made mistakes, I mean, this takes long time ago but 505 00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:02,400 don't say that today was because then we're lying. 506 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400 And then we got a big problem because I'm looking at You and 507 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,900 your the bad guys, because I'm not doing anything wrong. 508 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,900 I'm not telling the truth and you guys are walking around 509 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:11,400 issuing statements that I lie here. 510 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:17,600 I live there. No, those are statements that 511 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,400 were issued by myself. I mean, this is It's a second 512 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200 attorney. General said you guys down here, 513 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400 he's fighting the case. He's taken 12 pitch back, right? 514 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,300 So it's really all the same organization. 515 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,300 There's the train too noisy, but the TV talking, right? 516 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,500 This is a separate matter from what those issues. 517 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:41,600 It's really through your gums office or statements that they 518 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,100 released to the media. Because they have, they know 519 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:47,600 it's a scant, it's the same thing. 520 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,200 If I'm a liar, take the facts that they have they come down 521 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,300 and talk to me. Any cross-examined defense 522 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,600 lawyer, call them up and show me where I'm lying because you're 523 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,700 not going to find it. Maybe there's a minor mistake 524 00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:02,300 here in the I think I had one thing about some treat drive 525 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,800 would be more trees where you know, memory will move this over 526 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800 time. But to say that it's just 527 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,500 ridiculous. Just like you guys didn't go 528 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:18,600 because polygraph But it's the same problem because you're 529 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,600 making me out to be a huge liar and in this is gone. 530 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,300 Well, I don't I don't have any doubt as to what you told us 531 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,100 before the facts that I can verify. 532 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,800 I believe we're true in it from what you've told me. 533 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,000 You haven't told me any lies yet. 534 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,300 So, I have known personal reason to believe that your wife. 535 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,199 Exactly. So exactly. 536 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,500 So but this is with different story than I got in my file and 537 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:40,800 it's happened. I don't know watching her father 538 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,800 because I do not prove it. Information or what's there and 539 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,100 what's not there? I'm just telling you from my 540 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,000 perspective from an investigative perspective into 541 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,300 what I've looked into to what admissions you made back in 542 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,800 April last year to me. I'm I'm satisfied. 543 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,300 I've done what I can do as far as the investigation if peel. 544 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,300 If you'd like to provide me with more information about the 545 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:07,100 specific occurrences that occurred in peel region, then we 546 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,400 can talk about that after the focus of what we're here for 547 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,900 today. And that's the It's okay as part 548 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,800 of the focus. Well it is it is it isn't? 549 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,300 It isn't obviously directly. We're here today to deal with 550 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,800 the bulk of its matter if you're aware but dealing with me and it 551 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,100 comes down and goes up to credibility. 552 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,100 Absolutely does. And that's that's what we're 553 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:32,900 here to talk about today. And so let's let's deal with 554 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:34,600 that. And then we can deal with the 555 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,900 other stuff afterwards. So okay, go ahead and just 556 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,300 making my point on it because it's going to be a dress, 557 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:43,100 sometimes. Absolutely should have been 558 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:54,700 dealt with that a year ago, a little over I have some 559 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:59,500 questions that were that were given to me to ask you relation 560 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,000 to the bulk of the judge matter, Robert, Paul tillich matter 561 00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:07,700 before we do that, I just want to say you understand obviously 562 00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:11,600 the importance of telling the truth and the consequences 563 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,400 potentially of someone who lies to the police and not telling 564 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000 the truth. I think we discovered that 565 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,600 actually I was referring you guys tell the truth, right? 566 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,300 Okay, so we're aware of and in this matter, I believe that you 567 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,300 had some conversation with your counsel and our student. 568 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:31,500 And there's been some discussion about polygraph testing in this 569 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,300 matter. Is that true enough for you 570 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,200 recall that You're opening up cans of worms. 571 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Am I just asking you a specific question? 572 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,600 You know, that goes back to you guys polygraph there with the 573 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,500 chameleon, polygraph Carla and, and two years since have you 574 00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:52,300 guys gone down there Master? Have you sold them out of with 575 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,700 it? Because you could say, I lied or 576 00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,500 whatever polygraph, but have you asked her? 577 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,600 Because it comes down to a lot of that issue. 578 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:05,300 You know? I mean, have you seen my 579 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:09,700 involvement with This overall investigation of the bulk of 580 00:37:09,707 --> 00:37:13,800 which is very limited. The only knowledge that I have 581 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:18,700 is as to what investigation has been done or hasn't been done is 582 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,400 specifically what's related the conversations. 583 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,900 I've had about this interview here today, okay. 584 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,100 Okay, who what other witnesses there are? 585 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,800 I don't know of any specific persons. 586 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,400 They answered your question. I don't want to go off in 587 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,900 Kingsville. All these, all these issues are 588 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,600 relevant. I do you think down but that 589 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,700 they are in answer to your question is we had some 590 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:39,000 discussion on On it. But when Corcoran on the opp 591 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,900 came down before Carla was released for. 592 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,600 I told her I'd be willing to take a polygraph on anything and 593 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,300 everything. Would you in turn? 594 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,000 Are you going to go down before you buy this car? 595 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,800 Just ask her. She's not gonna take a student 596 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,500 to go to fail on all these issues. 597 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,800 If your hand constantly at the did blah blah, blah to do Tammy 598 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,800 happened in July was the girl in January after you kidnapped. 599 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,100 And if not, somebody, I picked up at a bar like, she tried to 600 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,000 storm over and all these other issues, all relevant, all 601 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,300 relevant in and Soy. And then I addressed it to you 602 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,900 guys, when you came back again last year. 603 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,900 I said, yeah, I'll take a photograph on anything because 604 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:12,600 I'm not telling a lie on a thing. 605 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,400 Are you have you again, I ask the question, have you guys gone 606 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,300 down and the ideal car this for? You know, I'm not I'm not even 607 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,800 business. Putting her in jail, it's not my 608 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,000 thing. But my point was, did you ask 609 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,200 the question? Just so we get the story 610 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,900 straight. I mean, if she refuses while 611 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,700 there's a reason why she's refusing. 612 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,100 And again, you guys couldn't provide the answer and no, and 613 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,500 almost a year later, again, you don't provide the answer. 614 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,900 So, I mean I don't know what you're asking me. 615 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:37,500 You're asking me to take a polygraph when you aren't 616 00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:41,600 willing to ask her. Well, if this this my part of 617 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600 this investigation is limited to what we're saying here today. 618 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,200 So the details of all of what other Witnesses may or may not 619 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,800 have been a store done. I don't know. 620 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,400 And I as a as a potential witness I'm not allowed to tell 621 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,800 you what we have done. So that I have to sort of be 622 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,600 careful about the way that it's answered Urban, what you think? 623 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,000 My answer might be. Yeah, no. 624 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,600 I just just wanted for the record that I gave you. 625 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:08,100 Good information, which you guys could have independent of me 626 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,300 could have verified my story or not. 627 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,100 Whether you guys do or do not as your business. 628 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:13,200 Like I said, I'm not a prosecutor. 629 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,300 I'm not here to point a finger at anyone but I showed you where 630 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:17,600 to go. So if you guys will do that, 631 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,800 it's your business. But you know, to me, it's like 632 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,800 if you didn't, why didn't you if you want to know the truth about 633 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,500 things, right? So I understand there's some 634 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,600 your sense of what we're here to talk about today. 635 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:37,300 Obviously know that this statement may be used in court 636 00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:41,000 or leadership to court. As a voluntary statement, a 637 00:39:41,008 --> 00:39:43,900 polygraph obviously is not something that's Court 638 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:50,700 admissible but I'm not sure if you're aware that, it's not So 639 00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,800 the crust of over here to talk about is that it has been 640 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,500 suggested that in the continuing case of The Disappearance of 641 00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:01,400 Elizabeth Bay and the charge of murder against Robert, halt of 642 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200 age that you are, the alternative suspect are an 643 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,900 alternative assessment. Are you aware of that? 644 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,800 Yeah. Did you kill Elizabeth? 645 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,600 A non June 19th 1990? Well, that's a loaded question. 646 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,300 I mean, are we going to go back and make it go through the time 647 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:22,700 sequence of what happened in my life? 648 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,300 I mean, I could just give a yes or no answer, but there's a lot 649 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,300 of issues about that, right. Carlos admirer will let where 650 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:31,700 win? This is why I said to, you guys 651 00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:35,100 are go down there to get a polygraph to get to see if she's 652 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,000 telling the truth. Like why didn't Kevin do it in 653 00:40:37,008 --> 00:40:40,100 the first place? And he's polygraph neighbor with 654 00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,500 the Camaro. Why would you make a deal with 655 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,900 someone and not? Give him a polygraph is 656 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:45,900 something incomprehensible to me, you know? 657 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,500 Because now I'm sipping, my file says her version and it's a lie, 658 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:54,600 you know, you know what I mean? Like I, you know, and I'm not 659 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,300 making frivolous points here. I mean, a now, you're asking me 660 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,700 after you after you said peel Regional said online about this 661 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:02,200 and then you're saying I'm lying about my profile. 662 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400 You're saying I'm lying if I'm better or not now you're saying 663 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,600 hey did you kill this person? I mean well you saying I'm lying 664 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,900 here I could say No, I did but I mean you're a set of my dear 665 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,300 with the peel. You say I'm not coming, I'm not 666 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,500 saying no, but as lying, I'm simply in a giving you 667 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,400 directions to go to find food right now. 668 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600 And I've asked, and again, I was told you that I've done an 669 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,500 investigation on information that you've told me as a result 670 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:34,300 of that information. I've been able to Verify my 671 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:37,500 mind, Reflow me the truth. So if peel region is lying about 672 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:39,900 you or someone else is lying about you, I had no control over 673 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,300 at work building codes, right? The credit. 674 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,100 Well, absolutely, it does and that's, I guess the, the easy 675 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,600 way that is to say, if we can go through will answer the 676 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,300 questions and, yes, I hope to be able to go through some timeline 677 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:56,100 to identify where you were, what you were doing specifically in 678 00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:59,600 relation to this this case. And I know I'm giving you guys a 679 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600 hard time, you know, certain things. 680 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000 But I mean, really, I mean Human being. 681 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,800 When you guys do all these things, I've got it. 682 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:10,900 It was all trying truncated. It was the answer to that is no. 683 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:16,600 But The 800-pound gorilla in the room, is that's a life 25 684 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,900 sentence, you know. It really comes down to 685 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,400 credibility and not only credibility, but then again, 686 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,200 timeline and between what Carlos are, my rules, were 687 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,600 respectively, and it's in. That answers knows that 688 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,400 questions. Did you have anything to do with 689 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:41,800 her disappearance? Did you know Elizabeth me how'd 690 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,500 you ever met her? I'm going to answer that with 691 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:46,400 that. I don't remember. 692 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,700 You are obviously aware of her disappearance. 693 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,600 Sort of you recall when you became aware of this. 694 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,200 That's so I can reload recollect this afternoon. 695 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:20,000 Didn't phones. The date, obviously, June, the 696 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,700 19th, 1990 was but but but you know, other with other than 697 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:35,700 that, I don't remember, you know, maybe everybody will sort 698 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,200 of get into that a little bit when we hope to go through a bit 699 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,100 of a timeline with you as to some things that may jog your 700 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:46,100 memory as to where talking back in that time. 701 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,100 I mean, if you asked me what I was doing, three weeks ago on 702 00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,300 Tuesday, I probably couldn't tell you, unless you put some 703 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:55,200 reference to its Will hopefully be able to do that. 704 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,100 And again, obviously June and 18 1990. 705 00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:01,500 You know what you were doing that day. 706 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:14,900 I have a document here at front of me that references some 707 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:20,500 points in time around it, June of 1990 period from police 708 00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:24,300 investigation. This is what Indicates. 709 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:27,100 You may have been involved with our may have certain things. 710 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:30,200 You may have done that like to go through a couple of them. 711 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,200 Certainly sort of assist you in remembering what you were doing 712 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:42,400 back in. The first part of June 1990, 713 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,600 actually, June, the first Carla had a doctor's appointment. 714 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,300 Where she was complaining of pains in her right side. 715 00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,800 Perhaps she has something to do with the rabies shot. 716 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:06,400 Does that ring any bells? In the first part of June, you 717 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600 had a Nissan 240SX design. Yeah. 718 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,000 You're making several trips into the United States, June 2nd 719 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,900 June, 3rd, June 10th, June 60. I think at that point, you were 720 00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:22,600 involved with cigarette smuggling and things like that. 721 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,800 From what I recall is when said no body, that would be, that was 722 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:34,000 until after making several trips to the states within a couple of 723 00:45:34,008 --> 00:45:36,400 days. That's something when we started 724 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,200 the relationship, just for personal reasons. 725 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:50,000 On June the 16th. You shopped rough-hewn, Niagara 726 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,800 Falls. United states. 727 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,600 Is that store sound familiar to you? 728 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,800 I think there must be received and again, I don't have all the 729 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,400 details. I'm just going by what school is 730 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,400 cheating. Black expandable binder is that 731 00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:13,900 that would have been around the same time, that was about a week 732 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,900 prior to. If you purchased one of those 733 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,400 Elizabeth, I have no idea when I purchased it. 734 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,600 I just recall, I had something like that. 735 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:30,700 Like an accordion binder. June, June, the 60th again, 736 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:32,300 that's has been the same day in St. 737 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,300 Catherine's. You tended a movie Back to the 738 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,000 Future 3, if you recall that movie came out. 739 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,100 There's a receipt for a cell phone. 740 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,700 Purchased at a Radio Shack at the Town and Country Mall and 741 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,200 sixty three. Sixty six Young Street. 742 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,100 Remember, buying a cell phone. You know, I bought a cell phone 743 00:46:57,100 --> 00:47:00,100 around that time, because declared bankruptcy and in my 744 00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:05,900 other one in and I bought the, I don't know the dates that would 745 00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:10,100 have been the day after Elizabeth Bay went missing. 746 00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:14,900 So that you remember anything you were involved with around 747 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:16,200 that time. You said you were going 748 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,400 bankrupt. So what type of activity were 749 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,600 involved in Toronto David and always bleeding a bankruptcies 750 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:29,600 that happened Around a couple days before the sexual assault 751 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,600 that the conversation. If I recollect collectively 752 00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:38,800 correctly, it was two days before I file for that. 753 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,500 But I couldn't tell you that day. 754 00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:50,000 I just wanted some time. What do you say that was junice? 755 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,700 June, the 16th of 1991. Was that sexual assault is the 756 00:47:54,700 --> 00:48:08,100 24th. There was one, there was a 757 00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:15,800 sexual assault in May 1990 thinking that it is, but it 758 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,100 doesn't say that specifically here, but shortly after that, my 759 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:28,700 timelines off the end of June of 1990 that original with someone 760 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,500 identified. You personally, as the 761 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,600 Scarborough rapist the bank and when was that, that was June 762 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:43,200 28th of 1990. Lori Humboldt has 19th. 763 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,700 Birthday was June. The 22nd 1992 call her 19th 764 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,700 birthday. I know, I don't mess around that 765 00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:56,100 time. Only reason, I will give you 766 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:09,700 legal drinking age. June 21st. 767 00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:14,400 So just the day after you buy the cell phone, The approaches 768 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:20,500 that something was additional and what they did I buy them. 769 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,700 June 20th was a big W itself. June 2019. 770 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,400 Yeah, must I must have been a Serial then because I got that 771 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,900 cell phone and I had to hand my all my items into the trustee 772 00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:41,600 had a Panasonic cell phone. So right around the same time, I 773 00:49:41,607 --> 00:49:43,300 don't think I would have a month without it. 774 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,600 I might have but But anyways I don't know. 775 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,200 Yeah it was a while ago so yeah May the night of the 29th which 776 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,700 was just before they are about a month before. 777 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:59,200 That was the day that the police release, the columns also wasn't 778 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,400 a plastic. So that was a lucky guy for 15 779 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:11,400 years ago. So I guess I waited a month. 780 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,000 So, the cell phone about a month to get this off. 781 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,000 Did you recall anything? What room? 782 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,400 What were you doing? Sorry, Journal. 783 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,500 Probably the same thing is, they're going across the border 784 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,400 before the restoration of stuff. I know, Tammy happened in July 785 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:33,600 third week, in July for the first time, this was about, 786 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,900 Just prior to Timmy's birthday. There was some shopping and the 787 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,900 Canadian Tire store and start driving you. 788 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,300 Where is our story Lori's birthday? 789 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200 Two times in one day, he went to Canadian Tire on Sheppard. 790 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:11,100 Avenue, 2019 Sheppard Avenue. Normally shop at Canadian Tire 791 00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,400 stores. That's before all these 792 00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,100 Supercenter in Walmart's and stuff. 793 00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:27,400 Do you ever recall having any conversations about The 794 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:37,900 Disappearance of Elizabeth bait? If I if I played you it's going 795 00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:47,600 to play us a short audio clip. It's a conversation that you had 796 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,800 our conversation between ending War who was an investigator with 797 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,300 the Toronto police and Karla Homolka just going to play the 798 00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,500 see if this sounds familiar, it jogs your memory as to any 799 00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:43,700 conversation you may have had And again, that that was a 800 00:52:43,707 --> 00:52:46,800 conversation between investigator, told me more with 801 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,000 the Toronto Police Service. Does that conversation would not 802 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,800 something? They may recall saying that the 803 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,100 Carlin are talking about that, you know, she went down, the 804 00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:02,300 Paul did catch, phrase was a child pollen, it's Paul, she's 805 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:06,100 continuing the fact of the matter was. 806 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,100 I didn't pay attention to anything. 807 00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,700 I didn't watch the news back then, I was too busy doing other 808 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,600 things, I didn't pay attention, like the profile I'll is a 809 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,200 serial killer pays attention to all the news media. 810 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,800 This is narcissistic personality, blah, blah, blah, 811 00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,100 all that crap. I don't know anything about this 812 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:21,600 case. Now, I don't know what this guy 813 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,300 did it. I don't even care. 814 00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,200 I'm a prosecutor. You know, do the right thing for 815 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,700 society, blah, blah blah. I don't know if you get it, I 816 00:53:27,707 --> 00:53:29,900 don't even faster it through those if you did it. 817 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,500 And I certainly didn't so to say that for Rita made, she's a 818 00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:37,700 legend that I made a statement boyfriend, did it. 819 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,700 Well, you know, some cases I have fault because I am in jail 820 00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,000 and I've nothing else to do, but watch it. 821 00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,800 TV, but I weigh the facts. You know, I take you know like 822 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,900 what did old gay do it? For example, you weren't you 823 00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:50,000 weigh the facts about me or whether did not he got off. 824 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000 So that's a lot, but I wouldn't have to wait the facts. 825 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600 I don't know the facts and circumstances. 826 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,900 So there's no way I can make a statement such as that. 827 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,300 How could I say he did it? If I don't know, the facts of 828 00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:08,400 the case and it may depend on when that conversation took 829 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,700 place. Between between her and an 830 00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:20,200 estimator deal with me. If I remember reading the 831 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:26,900 transcripts, I was a name required. 832 00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:31,300 Hey, I'm giving you the truth. Are you guys can prove me wrong. 833 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:33,600 So down there asked her to get a no. 834 00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:39,700 Keep telling everyone does it. But but you know so that sounds 835 00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,300 like that conversation but that's what you do. 836 00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:42,900 You want to play the other person? 837 00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:54,200 Do you do you know Robert Malkovich? 838 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:03,600 Okay, so I purposely avoided this case, right? 839 00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:07,100 I don't like this, the shit in my mind, you know, anything to 840 00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,100 do, you know, unfortunately Carla came out I watch and try 841 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,900 to discern truth back between fiction a couple years ago. 842 00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:16,300 But otherwise, you know, I don't like to get into these things. 843 00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:22,100 I've had a hundred lifetimes for stuff and I don't want my mind 844 00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:27,900 poisoned with this and this, and this side of this case, But I 845 00:55:27,908 --> 00:55:34,600 have some. Anything else you'd like to tell 846 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:51,200 us about this investigation? Okay, the time now is 235, will 847 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,900 conclude this portion of our interview.