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Welcome to the Dark Mind 
Detective. 

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My name is Mark. 
I'm an investigative journalist,

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and for the last six years, I 
have been researching some of 

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the most unsettling, darkest 
cases of serial killers, missing

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people. 
And I also researched dark 

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psychology, manipulation and 
social engineering and dangerous

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predatory behavior. 
So I was thinking a lot the last

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couple of days, trying to 
relieve early motivations to do 

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this work where you cross paths 
with something. 

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Oh, not exactly what you cross 
paths with, but you get the 

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sense of something dark. 
I've had, you know, a variety of

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work experience in my life. 
When I was young, in my 20s, I 

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did a lot of bar work. 
I worked in a lot of nightclubs,

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pubs, I started off as a bouncer
because I was into weightlifting

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and bodybuilding and boxing 
because I had a customer service

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background. 
Like I, you know, in high school

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I worked at a Chevron full 
service gas station as my part 

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time job and summer job. 
Also, you know, work different 

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customer service like in 
restaurants. 

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As a busboy, I was always good 
with the public, keeping my, my 

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head cool under like chaotic 
situations. 

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How to deal with bad customers 
and stuff as a bouncer I was the

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bouncer that my first approach 
was not try to prove what a 

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tough guy I was. 
I'd always treat the customers 

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with respect if a guy if a guy 
had a too much to drink or a 

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woman. 
But most of the This mostly 

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worked in the cases of guys 
really drunk women sometimes can

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be very hard to handle, but I'll
go into that another time. 

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Generally speaking, the dudes 
that came in the bars, if I 

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approached them with respect and
say, hey, buddy, you're, you're 

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not barred, but I'm worried 
about you. 

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I think you, you know, you're a 
little tipsy. 

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You're falling over the place, 
you're spilling drinks. 

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Let me buy you a Coke and let's 
see if we can get you a ride 

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home. 
I'll get you a cab if you're 

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with your people, maybe if 
someone can give you a ride 

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home. 
But again, you're not being 

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kicked out. 
I'm just worrying about your, 

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this is the the approach I would
take. 

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And, and nine times out of 10, 
you know, they would be cool, 

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not all the time, but nine times
out of 10. 

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And then when they would come 
back, they were their friend. 

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They would shake your hands. 
Hey, thanks for looking out for 

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me. 
And then if some shit did kick 

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off in the bar, these dudes 
would back you up. 

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They would help out. 
And my managers noticed this and

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then I got promoted, you know, 
helping out the bartender. 

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Then I was a bartender for a bit
and then I got recruited from a 

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company that did bar promotion, 
nightclub entertainment. 

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I got to travel throughout the 
province I live in, in BC. 

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I got to travel across country. 
I got to travel in Alberta, 

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Ontario. 
I spent a lot of time in Ontario

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and then New Brunswick, Nova 
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So basically this job allowed me
to travel all the way from 

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Victoria, BC, all the way to 
Halifax, NS. 

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So I've been in a lot of 
nightclubs and I've seen a lot 

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of crazy nightclub behavior 
because again, you take people, 

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you pour alcohol in them. 
You don't always know what 

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you're going to get. 
Sometimes the most mildest 

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mannered, nicest type of person,
you mix alcohol in them. 

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Instant asshole. 
So, you know, I've seen a lot of

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shit. 
I've seen violence in fights, 

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I've seen really creepy people. 
And I got to say probably in my 

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lifetime, I would say I'd 
probably been to about 250 bars,

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nightclubs, pubs in my lifetime 
across, you know, the country of

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Canada. 
I would say by far the darkest 

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situations I've ever seen was in
my hometown and home province. 

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So one of the first really 
unsettling things, and this is a

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strange story, and this is a 
story I think a lot about. 

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It's like watching a film reel 
in my head because it's so 

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bizarre. 
And one day if I ever write a 

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movie script, I am working on a 
book. 

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But I always wanted the scene in
a movie because it's so bizarre.

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So I was working in a nightclub 
in Victoria. 

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We did our thing. 
We know it's all about, you 

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know, we did our shooter games, 
we had a stand up comedian and 

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gave away prizes and, and we 
would do little like side, 

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little money makers. 
You know, with our group we'd do

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5050 draws and you know, some of
the guys, you know, we're quite 

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good looking and wasn't really, 
it wasn't male stripping. 

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But you know, we try to look our
best, right? 

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We'd wear nice outfits, clean 
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I, we all worked out. 
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the girls do group shots and 
stuff. 

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The manager came U to us after 
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for a couple hours, usually a 
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eightish, maybe 9 and go to 
about 10 and then the bar would 

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open then the regular people. 
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sometimes they'd be stag parties
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games. 
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events like sponsored by 
Budweiser or or Seagram's Liquor

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like Captain Morgan Spice or 
something like that. 

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Whole mixed bag of events off 
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entertain people, get them all 
drinking, have fun, and it was 

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festive. 
It was fun. 

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So in back to this bar in 
Victoria, manager was cool. 

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He's like, hey, you guys, you 
guys did good. 

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Everyone had fun. 
The women had a great time. 

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You got you guys here, here's a 
bunch of drink tickets. 

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He gave us a whole bunch of 
drink tickets and you guys, you 

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guys can go hang out in the VIP 
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So I'm all flushed with my drink
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I'm hanging out in the VIP room.
Well, there's some attractive 

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women. 
I'm talking. 

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We're all chit chatting. 
It's like, you know, it's this 

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bliss, like, you know, again, 
you know, gorgeous women and 

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martinis as fast as I can drink 
them and you know, feeling 

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pretty good. 
Then walked in, this woman, I 

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would say she was in her early 
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I at this time was about 25. 
So she was probably like 20-3. 

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But I'm saying just a, you know,
real knockout. 

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You saw her, you'd say, you 
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Blonde, nice figure, really 
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She's knows the girl I'm sitting
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with. 
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it just like laser lock eye 
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this chemistry, it's just like 
me and her are just alone and a 

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by ourselves. 
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even though it's noisy, it's 
just like it's we have I have 

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this, this it's like this tunnel
thing going on with her, right? 

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She's laughing at all my jokes 
and I'm buying her drinks with 

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my drink tickets. 
Great moment, right? 

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And it's just like, wow, 
thinking like, yeah, I go this, 

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I go, this chick's a bombshell. 
Wow. 

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And she's nice and she has a, 
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personality and she finds me 
funny and charming and you know,

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she keeps laughing and touching 
my arm and ha ha, right. 

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And I'm thinking like, wow, if I
can wield her. 

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Wow. 
This, like this is like, like I 

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said, you know, I'm not, you 
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from a 25 year old, Like, this 
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dream girl as a teenager if I 
saw a poster of her. 

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Back when we were teenagers in 
the 90s, we used to put posters 

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of bikini girls all over our 
walls. 

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Right. 
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like, just that. 
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Like, just as I said, you know, 
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right? 
Personality, smile, nice teeth, 

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sparkling dazzling blue eyes 
that look like gems and it's 

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just like we're just locked into
each other just like wow, you 

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know what I mean Just just most 
powerful chemistry I've ever 

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felt, you know, with another 
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that moment, if I felt like I 
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I would have moved to Victoria 
BC like, and I'm thinking like 

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wow, this this is amazing. 
Like what a great night this is.

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Well, everything good has to 
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Walks in the bar is the most 
massive fucking dude I have ever

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seen in my life. 
Like I, I like, I'm in the, 

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we're in the VIP room kind of 
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doors and you could see into the
bar, right? 

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And the, and you could see right
at the front of the, the 

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entrance way where people walk 
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but it was busy, but not like 
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So you could see who's coming 
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So I noticed this dude right 
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massive. 
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gyms, I've been around 
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I've, you know, I've known 
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This guy was the single biggest 
dude I've ever seen in my life. 

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So he stood out like this guy. 
I am guessing that this guy was 

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probably like 7 feet tall and he
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But he was wearing a really nice
suit. 

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You know, the suit looked very 
well made and for a dude that 

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big, you can just imagine how 
much that that suit cost. 

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So that was a strange thing, 
right? 

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So a guy that big so nicely 
sharply dressed like this, it 

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was an Immaculate suit. 
It was in a fit fit him very 

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well. 
He had a nice haircut, kind of a

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handsome face. 
He didn't look like some big 

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Neanderthal, right? 
He didn't look like Andre the 

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Giant, but he looked almost as 
big as Andre the Giant like he 

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was that big. 
He was freak show big or big 

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show from the WWE. 
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I'm like thinking he's coming 
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Because again, it's like, holy 
shit, like you, I could like I'm

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just, I feel like I, I'm staring
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vision. 
I don't want to stare at the 

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guy, but you know, it's just 
like your, your spider senses 

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are going off course. 
He comes into the VIP room and 

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he's fucking walking towards me 
and I'm like I I feel like this 

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high alert. 
I almost feel like I instantly 

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sobered up. 
It's almost like a feeling 

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almost like adrenaline. 
And now he walks right over to 

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me and he starts talking to the 
girl that that I was in this 

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blissful chemistry tunnel vision
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And it's just like everything is
now just completely the opposite

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feeling. 
Like I said, we're sitting on 

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these bar stools. 
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and he's towering over me and 
he's, it says to the, the woman 

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that I'm with and. 
He has like a low, deep voice 

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and he's like, are you coming 
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And I'm like, Christ, like, this
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And like I said, when she was 
talking to me, she was very 

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normal. 
She came, her attitude kind of 

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was like girl next door, you 
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We talked about a whole range of
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favorite TV shows. 
She like working out. 

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She would we're talking about 
different like workout routines.

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And all of a sudden her whole 
persona changes, completely 

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changes. 
And now she's like this snotty 

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little girl. 
She's almost like regressed into

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something different. 
She has like this scowl on her 

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face and she just has like the 
little bitchiest like no, no, 

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and. 
Then he's looking, I'm looking 

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at him like, oh. 
Shit, right. 

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And he doesn't like, he doesn't 
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His face was actually pretty 
pleasant and he's like kind of 

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ignoring me, right? 
But he looks at her, and he 

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goes. 
Are you sure you're? 

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Not coming with me. 
And I'm just like, oh God, just 

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go like, because again, I just 
get a fucking feeling that 

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something's up here. 
And she's like, no, says it 

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again, like really snotty. 
And I'm kind of like my kind of 

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even my body language that kind 
of shift away like you like 

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this, this is a weird situation.
This is very weird. 

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He asks the third time. 
OK, so let me understand this 

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correctly. 
And he's very polite. 

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The way he talks, he's very, you
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His tone wasn't threatening at 
all. 

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He didn't. 
And he's like, OK, so let me 

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understand this. 
You are not coming. 

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And she says 1/3 time really 
snide now and I'm like oh like 

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what the hell. 
He walks away and I'm kind of 

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feel a little relieved. 
And now the vibe is completely 

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different now. 
Such a different vibe and she's 

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all quiet and and I'm in this in
a weird mood too. 

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So I'm thinking, OK, I finished 
up my drink and I say, you know 

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what I'm going to head to my 
hotel. 

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It was really nice meeting you. 
I just see I got bad vibes off 

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this chick. 
I don't want nothing to do with 

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any more. 
The fantasies of moving to 

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Victoria, BC and entering early 
all that this guy that like a 

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steak knife stabbed right into 
that fantasy. 

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Grab my gear And I had I'm like,
oh, well, you know, you win 

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some, you lose some. 
I'm grabbing all my stuff and I 

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start heading out, go outside. 
And then she runs out, right? 

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Hey, hey, hey, waving at me. 
I'm like, oh, hi, what's up? 

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She goes, oh, where are you 
going? 

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And I said, I'm going to my 
hotel room. 

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She's like, oh, OK, how are you 
getting there? 

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I'm taking a cab. 
And she was, oh, do you mind if 

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you, if we can share a cab 
together? 

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And I'm like, sure, sure, no 
problem, right. 

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Nightclubs versus cabs already 
parked up there. 

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I, we go walk over to a cab. 
I put my stuff in the, in the 

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trunk. 
She's sitting and it's quiet. 

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Like, I don't even know what to 
say. 

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I'm just like, you know, I, it's
like, I don't even want to know 

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who that guy was. 
Like, I don't want to know. 

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Just that's the vibe I got. 
I don't want it. 

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And I said, where can I drop you
off? 

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She goes, actually, can you do 
me a favor? 

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What she goes, I have to draw. 
I have to go by somewhere. 

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It'd be really fast, like really
fast. 

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So basically she gets in the 
cab, She asks like, hey, do you 

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mind if we drop by somewhere? 
I promise it'll be very quick. 

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And then you can just drop me 
off home and we'll say goodnight

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to each other. 
I'm like, OK, yeah, no problem. 

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So we're driving, and again, I 
don't know Victoria very well. 

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And she tells the cab driver in 
the dress, I don't have no idea 

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where it is. 
And we're driving for quite a 

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long time. 
So it's like, it's not like just

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like a 5 minutes, right? 
It's work. 

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We're driving for a good 15, I 
would even say 20 minutes. 

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But we're in this really nice 
area. 

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Like the houses are massive. 
Like every house is like a 

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mansion. 
We drive to this house and it's 

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huge. 
It's, it's like 4 car garage. 

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It's it's a it's like a mega 
mansion all built with like 

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stone. 
It kind of looks castle ish 

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because it has all this masonry 
work and it has a big driveway 

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that's cobblestone. 
It looks very expensive. 

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Like back then, I would even say
back then it was at least a 567 

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million dollar house. 
Even back then it was big and it

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looked like very expensive but 
dark. 

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The stone is kind of like a a 
dark ready brown kind of stone 

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and it looks like I said it 
looks very expensive and the 

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house just gave me the fucking 
creeps. 

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It really did. 
So we drive up the driveway to 

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all dark, right and has these 
two big like big oak, solid oak 

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doors, right? 
Like these big heavy doors. 

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And we drive right up to the 
doorway. 

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Cab stops and she says she says 
please and she's very at that 

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and she actually looks scared 
and she has my attention because

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right, for obvious reasons, she 
goes please don't leave, please 

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don't leave. 
I promise I'll only be like 5-10

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minutes at the most and I'll pay
for the cab. 

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And I'm like, I don't even want 
to be here. 

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Like it just like the vibe is so
dark and bad and this house, it 

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seems so creepy and the it's 
like black and a it meaning like

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the windows, the windows are 
black, but they feel like the 

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windows are staring at you. 
If that's the only way, it's 

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like, you know, when you look at
a two way mirror and you know 

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there's someone behind it, it 
has that feeling. 

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And you know, again, from the 
size of that dude, I'm a bit 

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unnerved, right, because it's, 
it's it's pretty strange how 

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this night is unfolding. 
So I'm like, OK, and even the 

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cab drivers kind of looking at 
me. 

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So she goes in and course the 
doors open, she's boom, goes 

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right in. 
And the cab drivers like, Hey, 

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do you know this woman? 
Because he's kind of sensing 

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like something's up here. 
I go, I go and I kind of told 

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him the story quickly. 
I go, hey, you know, I'm just in

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town. 
I was working at the at the 

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barge. 
We started talking and then this

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big massive giant dude walked in
and asked her to go somewhere 

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with him. 
And she got all kind of shitty 

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with them. 
And now I'm here and he's like, 

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oh, that's weird. 
And he we're just sitting in 

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awkward silence. 
I could tell even the cab 

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drivers unnerved. 
And I said to the cab driver and

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I go, let's give it 10 minutes 
and let's get the fuck out of 

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here. 
And he seemed to be like, cool 

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with that agreement. 
And I'm literally watching the 

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clock like, because it's just, I
don't know. 

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It's just like you get me and 
the cab driver sitting there, 

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We're not saying a word to each 
other. 

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And this feels like you could, 
you could hear a pin drop, like 

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there's that kind of tension in 
there. 

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And I can feel like, I swear to 
God, I felt like the hairs on my

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back of my neck standing up like
it just just something's off. 8 

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minute goes by, 9 minutes. 
I'm literally counting in my 

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head, OK, she has 10 minutes. 
And right when I'm about to say,

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OK, let's, let's abort, abort 
mission. 

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Let's go and all of a sudden a 
knock on the window and that 

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makes me jump. 
It's her. 

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And she's like, let me in, let 
me in check. 

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She looks freaked out, like 
legitimately freaked out. 

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So she gets in the car and I'm 
just like, OK, when the cab 

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driver seems excited or get to 
getting the fuck out of there, 

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right? 
And I'm like, where to she goes,

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Oh, do you mind if I just chill 
at your hotel room for a minute?

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And I'm just like, I don't want 
her at my hotel room. 

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I actually don't, but I'm like, 
oh, OK, so she comes over, 

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right? 
And again, we're not talking to 

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each other. 
It's just like this awkwardness.

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It's like the opposite of 
chemistry. 

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We had this amazing chemistry 
and now we have the opposite of 

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chemistry. 
It's like it just I want to be 

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away from her as fast as I can. 
I'm like, I am like saying like 

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this, something's up. 
So we go to a hotel room, I walk

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in, put my stuff away and I 
said, oh, you don't mind if I 

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just kind of wash my face? 
So I didn't want to have a 

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shower, right? 
Because I kind of wanted to keep

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an eye on her. 
And her, her whole demeanor is 

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completely changed. 
It's like a different woman now.

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Like I it's almost like he, it's
like someone else took over her 

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body. 
She looks tense. 

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She has like this scowl on her 
face. 

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She's so edgy. 
She's not talking. 

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If I ask her something, it's 
just one word answers, right? 

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I'm like, oh, this sucks, right?
The other thing is I'm kind of 

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worried, but kind of intrigued, 
but kind of, I don't know. 

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It's, it's, it's sketchy. 
It's the best way to say it. 

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So I go my wash my face, change 
my shirt. 

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I put on some like pajama bottom
pant. 

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I I go on the bed and I just 
turn on the TV. 

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She there's like in the hotel 
room, there's like this round 

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kind of coffee table and she's 
sitting over there and she's not

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even talking to me. 
So I've been looking at me. 

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I'm kind of ignoring her. 
I'm just watching TV. 

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And then if my peripheral 
vision, she goes in her purse 

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and she pulls out a big bag of 
White Party favors and she 

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starts, you know, chopping it up
and starts, you know, doing some

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nose candy one line after 
another. 

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I'm like, oh, great. 
I'm thinking I'll never get rid 

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of her now. 
And I'm thinking at any moment 

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my door is going to get blasted 
off the hinges and this giant 

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that was in the bar is going to 
become running through, right. 

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And part of me wants to ask 
like, what's what's up with that

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house? 
But then the other part of my 

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brain like, I don't want to 
know. 

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I don't even want to know 
what's, what's, what's up with 

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that big creepy mansion? 
This goes on for about half an 

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hour. 
And I'm telling you, she's doing

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her her party favors non-stop, 
right? 

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And I'm not too impressed by 
that because it's the nights 

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already getting so weird. 
And then out of nowhere, she 

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stands up and, and now she she's
almost like, it's like the only 

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way to describe it is that she 
almost looks possessed. 

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And obviously she's under the 
influence of, you know, the 

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stuff she's been doing for the 
last how far? 

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But she just looks like, I don't
know, robotic. 

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Her eyes are just like, weird. 
She's not blinking when she's 

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talking. 
And she seems very stiff. 

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And she stands up. 
She goes, OK, it was nice 

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meeting you. 
I'm going to go now. 

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I hope you have a good night. 
And then she walks out. 

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And the second she walks the 
door, it's just like the hugest 

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sense of relief. 
And then I'm thinking like, what

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the hell was that? 
And, and I've said I've 

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travelled across the country, 
I've travelled throughout the 

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States. 
I've, you know, I've worked in 

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bars, even when I was in New 
York, when I lived there, I have

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never ran across something like 
that. 

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This is the single weirdest 
experience I've ever had. 

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It was like, what the hell? 
So I'm guessing, I'm guessing 

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she must have been like some 
high-priced escort. 

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And maybe that guy was like the,
the driver, you know, because 

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the security guy that takes him 
around and maybe she had a, a 

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call that she had to do and, and
I don't know, it was really 

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sketchy. 
It really freaked me out Like, 

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and then every time I went to 
Victoria, it was almost like, I 

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don't know, the city of, I've 
been to a lot of Canadian cities

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and I don't know, that city has 
kind of a creepy underbelly 

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compared to other cities I've 
been in. 

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It's like a city, I feel it 
there. 

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You know what I mean? 
It's like your spider senses go 

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off. 
Yeah, the Vancouver Island is a 

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strange place, but that was one 
of the strangest stories of my 

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travels. 
About two, I lived in a building

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downtown and there were these 
women that were in Canada from 

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Australia and they were 
attractive, nice girls. 

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But one of them got really heavy
into drugs and I personally 

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think that she was groomed in 
traffic because these girls were

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so worried about her. 
She started dating this guy and 

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at first it started off with 
drinking every night, then it 

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started off with something else,
you know harder stuff. 

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And next thing I know she was 
doing like opiates and and she 

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was obviously addicted. 
And then she disappeared. 

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And I remember the girls came 
down to our to my apartment. 

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They lived right above me. 
O we filed a missing person's 

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report. 
We told the motor boyfriend and 

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it was like I felt this guy, he 
was he it was like a plan from 

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the day one get first get the 
girl partying with you and then 

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from the partying, get her 
hooked on something. 

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And then they both disappeared. 
Her family even came from 

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Australia to look for her. 
And apparently, of course, the 

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missing filing, a missing 
persons report and, and the 

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investigation was almost nil. 
And then it was to the point 

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where, well, maybe she doesn't 
want to be found. 

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She's an adult. 
So there was a frustration of 

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that because I, you know, here, 
I'm talking to these girls and 

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they're so upset. 
And this is like, this was like 

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also in the early, this was 
early 2000s, like 2005 ish. 

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See this quick like transition 
1st it's fun and games. 

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First it's shooters, then it's 
do this party, then you're going

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to house parties and you're 
offered stuff and then it's 

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like, hey, do you want to 
travel? 

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Do you want to come to my other 
town? 

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And then you never hear from 
these people again and you 

442
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,920
always wonder what happened to 
them, right? 

443
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:39,960
It's like, and This is why drugs
scare me because I've done 

444
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,400
drugs. 
I don't do drugs anymore. 

445
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Did drugs. 
I was a very different person. 

446
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,240
My thought process was 
different. 

447
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,240
My priorities were different and
I wasn't like an everyday user. 

448
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,080
I was more like a weekend 
warrior type, but he would have 

449
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,440
like a, a residual lingering 
effect if if that makes sense. 

450
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,040
I found I was more suggestible 
to things, especially with 

451
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,440
shitty people, because when 
you're doing like, you know, 

452
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640
you're partying, you're drinking
you, you think you're having a 

453
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,880
great time. 
But in hindsight, I really 

454
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,360
wasn't. 
I was trying to, I was masking 

455
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,520
stuff. 
I was, I was looking for 

456
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280
escapism. 
And some of the shittiest 

457
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,240
friends I ever had was when I 
was in these circles. 

458
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,680
And, and a lot of the times in 
hindsight, these shitty people 

459
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,560
are the ones that push stuff on 
you. 

460
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,640
They oh, try this and try that. 
And of course, you can say no 

461
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,000
and this just a stain. 
But for some people who've been 

462
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,040
through trauma are running away 
from something, It's easy to get

463
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,120
peer pressured into things. 
And now if you're an attractive 

464
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:51,000
woman in this kind of creepy, 
predatorial world, an attractive

465
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,760
woman is a is highly prized in a
in a commodity. 

466
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,280
So think about this. 
I get a woman like the woman I 

467
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,120
met in Vic, she's very 
attractive and yes for the most 

468
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,680
part seems to conclude the 
conversation. 

469
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,120
But if I get her under my thumbs
and get her addicted to 

470
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:15,240
something that's control and and
sorry from a predatorial point 

471
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,360
of view, I'm her supplier. 
Plus I'm supply her money that 

472
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,800
she makes. 
I introduce her to rich people 

473
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,440
that, you know, pay her for her 
services. 

474
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,680
I facilitate her lifestyle. 
She gets to wear nice clothing. 

475
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,360
She gets a nice purse. 
She wears expensive shoes. 

476
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,280
She gets to, you know, hang 
around really fancy places and 

477
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,200
restaurants and, and all those 
things on on the surface it's 

478
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,000
sounds great. 
And then she needs these drugs 

479
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,280
to mask for what she's doing. 
I've seen this formula because 

480
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,760
when you worked in when I worked
in bars, I've been around a lot 

481
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,880
of sex workers. 
Some of them know exactly what 

482
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,360
they're doing and they're in 
control. 

483
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600
But there's lots that I see that
are obviously under the control 

484
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,480
of somebody. 
These aren't strong people. 

485
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,320
They've had a lifetime of 
trauma. 

486
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,200
Some imposing figure could 
easily have control over them 

487
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,120
and say, and then the The thing 
is, what I've seen too across 

488
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:20,080
the board is that there's a 
whole spectrum of taste, desires

489
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,160
and wants. 
There's a lot of people out 

490
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280
there that are super creepy, 
right? 

491
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,040
They're not satisfied of this. 
Having a girlfriend experience 

492
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,400
with an attractive girl. 
No, no, no, they want to tie her

493
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960
up. 
They want to do terrible things 

494
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,160
to her, they want to scare her, 
they want to be creepy, right? 

495
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,520
There's a whole spectrum of 
behavior out there. 

496
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,600
And what I'm what I'm saying 
through my experience, a lot of 

497
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,520
it's not possible without the 
person being traumatized and 

498
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000
being addicted to something. 
The, the, the addiction is the 

499
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,960
string that keeps them under the
thumb, keeps them under control.

500
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:05,520
That that beautiful girl I met, 
gorgeous girl I met and 

501
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,360
Victoria, BC obviously her 
addiction, her drug use was at 

502
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:16,160
the heart of this creepy 
lifestyle that she got into. 

503
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,440
Wonder what's her back story? 
I always thought about her like 

504
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,440
what happened to her? 
Where did she end up? 

505
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880
Did she become another missing 
person? 

506
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Did she ever get out of the 
clutches of this whatever, you 

507
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,160
know, thing that she was 
involved in? 

508
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,680
Because it again, I've worked in
a lot of bars I've seen and I've

509
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920
been friends with a lot of 
different sex workers because 

510
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,680
they come to your nightclubs. 
Some of them are normal, nice 

511
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,280
women, right? 
They choose a lifestyle, but 

512
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,760
they, they, they're in control, 
right? 

513
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640
They don't have a pimp. 
Also seeing the opposite, you 

514
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080
know, a drugged out zombie, you 
know, under the thumb of a 

515
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,960
really dangerous, scary dude. 
You know, I'm from a place where

516
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320
a lot of people go missing. 
I wanted to share that story 

517
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,240
because again, it's not like I 
saw anything really. 

518
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,040
I saw a big giant dude. 
Always been very adopt at 

519
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,400
reading people. 
It was one of the most 

520
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,760
psychologically unsettling 
things I've ever seen in my 

521
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,920
life. 
And I can't quite put a finger 

522
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,560
on it. 
And like I said, even the cab 

523
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800
driver was freaked because that 
that was like witnessing 

524
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,840
something. 
It was like it was something 

525
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160
like out of a David Lynch movie.
That's the best way to describe 

526
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,800
it. 
Anyways, thanks for listening.